neumann103 - (Peter Robinson)Member since May 13, 2011
Habs fan since: 1971
Favorite current player: Tomas Plekanec
All-time favorite player: Larry Robinson, Guy Lafleur, Ken Dryden
"Et le but!"
- Comment on Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out (2014-06-30 12:57:29)
krob1000 the "toughness" thing is a red herring. The Habs iced a worse lineup most nights putting Murray in for "toughness" and "crease clearing" despite the fact that he was consistently among the worst defensemen in the NHL. Gleason is not a top 6 level player and costs $4m. B Bergevin may recognize a logjam on D but he s not insane enough to give up a second pairing roster player just so he can buy out someone else's garbage. There are a ton of teams that would give the Habs some value for Gorges, not a salary dump of dead weight. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out (2014-06-30 12:49:26)
I agree that players should be free to use all of the contractual rights available to them. The CBA is a deal with the devil to allow all sorts of anti-competitive practices like the Draft, the Salary Cap etc. However I do think that a guy like Gorges who sees himself as a leader might have trouble with being asked to go, and might eventually want to go where he is wanted. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out (2014-06-30 12:28:45)
But would Bergevin really have asked Gorges if he would accept Toronto if that was the deal being offered? Seems to me that if he was offered a pylon like Gleason for two more years at $4M cap hit each he just would have laughed. Gleason is a bad #7 who makes $4m. Gorges is an okay #4 who makes $3.9M. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out (2014-06-30 12:03:43)
Small point, Weaver only made 1.1M last year. $1.5M would be a raise. I expect he might get offers above that based on his late season and playoff showing. There are a whole bunch of balls in the air and what happens in the next 25 hours or so will be extremely interesting. I expect that Weaver is very much alive in potential Hab plans, depending on whether some other dominoes fall. If Gionta is really out it has to mean either he was asking too much, or the Habs are very confident that discussions they have had with some UFA winger are going to turn into a contract tomorrow. Both Gionta and Weaver are guys I would slightly overpay on 2 year deals given the attributes they bring - unless I had some better option lined up through FreeAgency or Trade. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out (2014-06-30 11:47:39)
It's funny. I have been a reader of HIO, for a number of years, for long enough that I still think of it as Habs Inside Out. I have varied from a lurker to a daily poster to a game thread follower. Often now I go some time before chiming in. But then you get such an elaborate, carefully thought out missing of the point as above. Bravo! Really one of the great values of HIO is the inclusiveness. Everybody is welcome to post. This is also a weakness: the wheat to chaff ratio. And I say this not as a slag on Hedman, who I have liked since his draft. I picked him as a Rookie in a hockey pool and have always thought the kid had what it took to be a better than average #1 NHL defenceman (eg Top 15 or better by definition almost). I also think that the question bwoar poses is an interesting one: "Is Hedman at $4M a better deal than Subban at $8M" but that appears most definitely not to be your point. This is not going to arbitration. Subban's value is not determined by whether or not he scores 40 goals etc etc etc. Am going back to sleep now. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Defenceman Lernout, forward Audette among Habs’ six draft picks (2014-06-28 14:45:44)
Sure. I was very high on Emelin before he came over and his first two seasons bore that out. I think he is underrated offensively and the best choice for 4th PP Defense when the Habs were throwing everyone but. My eyes say that he is much worse on the right side (although apparently most of the advanced stats don't really back this up) whereas Gorges seems fine on his offside. While Tinordi seems okay on his offside and I have seen Beaulieu play comfortably on the right at lower levels, I would prefer to not force them to do that while adjusting to the NHL. Last year was almost a lost year for those two due to Therrien's insistence on playing the vastly inferior Murray and Bouillon over Tinordi and Beaulieu. I guess Bergevin really just has to try and make a decent deal for one of the $4M guys who probably shouldn't be making $4M in order to make room for good kids who make $900K. But it becomes even more crucial next year when the need to sign those kids. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Defenceman Lernout, forward Audette among Habs’ six draft picks (2014-06-28 14:37:50)
Norm, Yeah, I don't get the negativity (or maybe I do, and it is just sad...) I like the Audette pick. A late round so not much of a risk, a Quebec kid, so location and personal relationship through Dad maybe gives them more knowledge of him than other available candidates and if he pans out you have a marketing commodity. Passed by because of size Habs just leveraging market inefficiencies. I am less sanguine about trading up to #73 for a guy who probably would have been available at 125 while leaving a couple of Top 40ish choices on the board. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Defenceman Lernout, forward Audette among Habs’ six draft picks (2014-06-28 14:31:53)
Tom, I agree with your analysis but wouldn't it be better to trade Emelin? I figure one of them has to move sometime soon but would rather it be Emelin. The fact that he hits might increase his perceived value (although this season may have lowered it too much). I don't agree with the Yandle for Pleks and Gorges idea downthread as while obviously good, Yandle adds to the logjam on D and losing Pleks would be bad bad bad. I would be very tempted (training camp permitting) aiming at a starting D of: Markov Subban Beaulieu Gorges Tinordi Weaver Nygren "Et le but!"
- Comment on Defenceman Lernout, forward Audette among Habs’ six draft picks (2014-06-28 14:25:41)
Personal anecdote I am the second worst player on my beer league team. I am exceptionally adept at shot blocking, in part because many scenarios I feel are my responsibility, because I was not fast enough to take the opportunity away. My willingness to block shots to compensate for my possession weaknesses is better than nothing but it doesn't really make me a better player than more talented guys who don't block shots. And as Tom indicates, it can be taught. "Et le but!"
- Comment on Defenceman Lernout, forward Audette among Habs’ six draft picks (2014-06-28 13:22:25)
In what universe does Subban sign long term for $6.5? If Bergevin stands firm at that number, then who is he trading him to, cause there is about a 0% chance that Meehan negotiates a shit deal like that. "Et le but!"