SteverenO - (Steve O. )Member since March 10, 2011
Habs fan since: 1957
Favorite current player: David Desharnais
All-time favorite player: J.C. Tremblay
regards, Steve O.
- Comment on New Hab Tangradi skates on fourth line at practice; Gilbert demoted to seventh defenceman (2014-11-26 15:20:05)
Allen in for Gilbert? Considering that Gibert and Weaver have been or most effective defense pairing this season it doesnt seem to make much sense. In 32 minutes if even strength play GIlbert & Weabver have been on the ice for 4 goals (on egoal every 8 minutes equals best average on the team) and have not been on for any goals allowed. Its intersting to note that on a team with Subban and Markov, the Habs score more frequently when Weaver has been on the ice than they have with any other defenseman. I guess that will soon change if he's being poaired with Allen. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Former Canadien Gilles Tremblay dead at age 75 (2014-11-26 15:03:35)
How to measure a caoches performance: Surely it can kot be based on wins and losses, as it would be unfair to compare a coach with a bad team to a coach with a star-studded roster. What then are possible ways to measure or rank the coaches: I will list a couple of suggestions and hope that others weigh in with their ideas. This is not about measuring, otr ranking one particular coach but about how to rank, or rate , all coaches. suggestions in no particular order 1: special teams success 2: ice time distribution ( percentage of ice time given to most effective players) 3: game preparation; does the team seem ready to play every ,or most nights. 4; difference in record when home versus away; ( interesting as when home the coach has more of chance to implement his desired line matchups. 5: w-l record in "close" , 1 goal, games. (chances are in a blow out, the coaches moves would not effect th eoutcome). any others suggetsions? regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Former Canadien Gilles Tremblay dead at age 75 (2014-11-26 14:48:42)
A step in the right direction, I think. I would still like to see him rested in some back to back ocasions. Also would like to see a return to 6 defensemen, and 12 forwards. (although with our geriatric group of d-men perhaps we need to dress 7 every night) Or perhaps we can resign Bouillion and dress 8 d-men, and 10 forwards, with Malho being a true faceoff specialist. While it sounds silly it may not be such a bad idea. If we have the lead we can play the 4th defense pairing with Malhotra on a regular shift up front, a true shut down line (one centerman and 4 dmen). If were behind we probably would not want to play the "4th" liners (be the defensemen or forwards), anyway. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Former Canadien Gilles Tremblay dead at age 75 (2014-11-26 14:23:13)
Would like to pick up discussion about penalty killing effectiveness from a previous thread; When responding to a discussion about Raffi Diaz, I posted the following: at 3.71 goals against per 60 mins of short handed play he ranks second to Srgei Zubov (1.44), and I bet that few will guess which other Candian was ranked in the top 5.. Not Josh Georges: hes ranked 20th at 5.19 GA per 60 min Not Hal Gill: hes ranked 54th at 5.89 GA per 60 mins Not Markov: hes ranked 151st at 6.91 GA per 60 mins Give up? (perhaps someone should advise our coach Therrien) P.K. Subban is ranked 5th at 4.33 GA per 60 minutes short handed ice time. (based on goals allowed, per 60 minutes of short handed ice time all players with over 200 minutes PK time between start os 2007-2008 season to the end of last season. **************************************************** It would seem to me that Markov is being way overplayed by Therrien. He is NOT better than Average on the penalty kill. His offensive productivity when paired with anyone not named Subban is abysmal, and his powerplay numbers (this season) are quite poor. His Playoff numbers last season were pathetic. I believe that resigning Markov may have been one of Bergevins worst moves, and it will only get worse each successive year. I hope that common sense will kick in and we will see a lesser used ( less time per game , less special team minutes, and some "rest days" on babck to back game nights) Markov return to at least some somblance of his former productivie self. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens now worth $1 billion, according to Forbes; Eric Tangradi called up from Hamilton (2014-11-25 18:48:28)
A little noticed feature of Diaz's play , was that he was the most effective penalty killer on the team while he was here, and in fact, was among the most effective penalty killers in the entire NHL. at 3.71 goals against per 60 mins of short handed play he ranks second to Srgei Zubov (1.44), and I bet that few will guess which other Candian was ranked in the top 5.. Not Josh Georges: hes ranked 20th at 5.19 GA per 60 min Not Hal Gill: hes ranked 54th at 5.89 GA per 60 mins Not Markov: hes ranked 151st at 6.91 GA per 60 mins Give up? (perhaps someone should advise our coach Therrien) P.K. Subban is ranked 5th at 4.33 GA per 60 minutes short handed ice time. (based on goals allowed, per 60 minutes of short handed ice time all players with over 200 minutes PK time between start os 2007-2008 season to the end of last season. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens given two days off; Nathan Beaulieu sent to Hamilton (2014-11-24 17:18:21)
You are correct, habfan17, plus minus can be deceiving, just like the scoreboard. Its not always the team that "plays better" that wins the game. Its also true that on some occasions a player may get unjustly hung with a minus through no fault of his own, just as he can get a + simply for being on the ice without having anything to do with the goal being scored. The real value of the plus minus is in the certainty that a player ( with a relatively few exceptions when the line change occurs very close to the goal being scored) had nothing to do with a goal being scored, or allowed when he is NOT on the ice. By subtracting all events that occurred that were beyond a players control, (when he was off the ice) we are left with a good indication (performance metric) of his value. To illustrate the point, imagine a game with no substitutes and no special teams play. The plus/minus of every player will always be exactly equal to the score of the game. That being said it is important to compare plus/ minus numbers only among players on the same team, and also to factor in a players TOI. A player that is a plus 8 in 400 minutes is more valuable/effective than someone who is a plus 11 in 800 minutes of play. I also find it interesting to note the difference between players efficiency. two players can both be plus 5 yet be completely different. One could be a very offensive being on for 30 goals for and 25 against, while the other is great defensively being on for only 10 goals scored and 5 allowed in the same amount of ice time regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens given two days off; Nathan Beaulieu sent to Hamilton (2014-11-24 16:36:29)
continued from below: Oz said; *************************************** DD has many more offensive zone starts than the other two C’s, and hustles to the bench when the play goes the other way. Apart from +/-, you give no reason why DD might be excellent on the PK. You know what can really be deceiving? Stats. ************************************************ true I did not give a reason , but DD actually played on the pK unit his first two season with the Habs: )and did very well in that role) In 2010-2011 DD played 39 minutes short -handed and the team allowed 3 goals- pretty decent numbers in 2011-2012- He played 37 minutes (the equivalent of 18 complete powerplays) and ZERO goals were allowed during that time . While its true that stats CAN be deceiving, sometimes they are not. In fact, in a large majority of cases, the stats are a pretty good reflection of a players performance. AT least they ar much more accurate than how a player "looks". In pro sports , results are what counts. If a player is on for a lot more goals scored than allowed, he has done a good job helping his team. If he is on for a lot more goals allowed than scored, his contribution is of little value to the success of the team. (Unless, of course, he is "good in the room"). Sometime I get the feeling OZ, due to your constantly knocking the most basic of statistics (goals scored versus goals allowed) that you would prefer that they didn"t actually keep score, instead simply let a panel of judges decide which team gets awarded the win based on how they "looked" on the ice. AS for Gallagher , I have no statistics to back up the fact that I believe he would be great on the penalty kill. I just feel that his skill set, tenacious battling for puck possession, and ability to win one on one battles , plus his knack for causing turnovers would be ideal for the role of a penalty killer. Having only to clear the puck out of the zone his quickness and ability to pressure the point men would be fun to watch. I would not be at all surprised if , given the opportunity to kill penalties on a regular basis, he would perpetually lead the league in short handed goals. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens given two days off; Nathan Beaulieu sent to Hamilton (2014-11-24 13:09:52)
Looks can be deciving , Ozmo.... DD has been on the ice for 9 even strength goals this season , Plekanec for 13 (both have played 341 minutes) and Eller has been on for 17 GA in 300 minutes. So are you saying that Plek and Eller "look good" in their own zone and that is why they are on the PK unit, but DD "looks bad" and therefore can not be effective killing penalties? I guess that Therrien and you are seeing the same thing. Keep DD on the PP, because he "looks" real good out there, And of course "looks" are much more important than the number of goals allowed. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens given two days off; Nathan Beaulieu sent to Hamilton (2014-11-24 12:58:09)
Whats up with Markov? In my opinion he is a shadow of his former self, and based on last years playoffs on this year season to date he can only be classified as a "weak" when it comes offensive production. Overall he played 420 minutes at even strength and during that span the team has scored 18 goals, a "respectable" average of one goal every 23 minutes. If you remove the minutes that he has played alongside PK Subban, MArkov has played 168 minutes and been on the ice for exactly 3 goals, a pathetic average of one goal every 56 minutes! The bulk of Markovs 168 minutes (sans Subban) - 142 of the minutes have been alongside Tom Gilbert. When Gilbert and Markov play together they nave been on for 3 goal in 142 mniutes, an extremely low average of one goal scored every 47 minutes.. we're talking Douglas Murray type numbers here. Can the lack of production be blamed on Gilbert? It appears not, as Gilbert when playing without Markov has been on the ice for 247 even strength minutes and the team has scored 12 goals for an average of one goal every 20 minutes. Is Markov over the hill, or has he just been overused to the point that he is no longer effective? It still amazes me that with a surplus of defensemen on the roster the coach can never see fit to give #76 a day off. The young goalie Price, gets to rest on back to back games but no the aging veteran defensemen? What would be so bad if Markov, Gilbert Gonchar, and Weaver each played 72 to 75 games per year, or got to sit out once very 10th game? Whats the point of having so many defensemen if you keep playing the same guys every single game. We are not using the depth we have to any advantage at all. It may come into play if/when we get injuries, but why wait for injuries to use your available resources effectively? It makes no sense, no sense at all. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Canadiens given two days off; Nathan Beaulieu sent to Hamilton (2014-11-24 12:25:49)
AS usual DD receives a lot of criticism. Despite being a minus -3 last night for the season DD is a plus 9, second best on the team only to his personal LW , Pacioretty who is at + 10. The only problem with DD is the way that Therrien uses him at Even strength the team has scored 18 Goals with DD on the ice in 341 minutes of play, an average of one goal every 18 minutes. ( considering that he has only been on ice for 9 Goals Against (an average of one GA every 36 minutes); its a very respectable number The problem is that on the PowerPlay DD has been used for 56 minutes and the team has scored ONLY 3 goals in that time, an average of 18 minutes per PPG , which is incredibly, identical to the production at even strength. With the current roster, DD should be the 4th choice to center the PP unit behind Plekanec, Galchenyuk, & Eller. While we may not agree with Therrien using Galchenyuk on the wing at even strength, there is AT LEAST a reasonably logical reason for it; ( he may not be defensively responsible enough) But what possible reason is there for Galchenyuk not to be centering either the first or second unit of the PP? There have been occasions when DD was effective on the PP, but they were a long time ago and mostly when he had a BIG power winger (Erik Cole) on one side and Pacioretty on the other DD would be excellent on the PK as would Gallagher, but Therrien continues to "force" these players into a PP role that they are not well suited for. The bigger problem, in my opinion, is that Therrien is stubborn and will try everything possible to make the PP work with DD and Gallagher on it rather than admit his mistake and leave these two great 5 on 5 players OFF the friggin powerplay! It makes no sense. No sense at all. Regards, Steve O.