SteverenO - (Steve O. )Member since March 10, 2011
Habs fan since: 1957
Favorite current player: David Desharnais
All-time favorite player: J.C. Tremblay
regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Mike Weaver will be game-time decision as Habs face Blues (2014-11-20 13:41:58)
@Dipsy; How big a sample is required?. To me of a guy has played 150 minutes at even strength, (tow and a half hours) and his team has only scored once. something is wrong. The team average is approximately one goal every 25 minutes, one goal every 40 minutes of ice time may be acceptable for a defensive (4th line) type player. But one goal in 150 minutes would be equivalent to having a baseball catcher with a batting average of 0.67 staying in the lineup because he is good defensively. Malhotra is another Moen, no better no worse. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Mike Weaver will be game-time decision as Habs face Blues (2014-11-20 13:29:41)
Well said, Krob. Personally I think the Habs should revert to Fire Wagon hockey, throwing caution to the wind, and go all out offensively trying to score four or more goals game. Perhaps regular season matchups would be more enjoyable to watch if we adopted the OIlers style from the eighties when they scored a ton of goals and relied on Grant Fuhr to keep the other team at bay. With Price as our goaltender, I would bet that we win a very high percentage of games playing that way. Of course late in the game with a one goal lead and the faceoff in your end , it would make sense to use your best face off man, but other than that I prefer to use a player that can at least sometimes contribute to the offense. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Mike Weaver will be game-time decision as Habs face Blues (2014-11-20 13:20:20)
what are the other factors that are MORE important than goals for and against? when a hockey payer goes on the ice for a shift what is his primary objective, and secondary objective ? Primary score a goal, Secondary do NOT allow the other team to score. (some coaches nay reverse those two objectives but they are ALWAYS number one and two in the priority ranking). Other important objectives.. cover your man , be in the right position, do not turnover the puck, get in position to receive a pass, winning faceoffs would be near the bottom of the list. Picture yourself in the 7th game of the stanley cup playoffs and its sudden death overtime... Is there any stat that is more important than plus/ minus? @ bwoar: I have show that Faceoffs winning percentage is NOT important as it does seem to have any impact on the number of goals scored and allowed. Would you rather have a guy who wins a high percentage of faceoffs but is minus 20 goal differential or a guy who losses a high percentage of his faceoffs and has a positive goal differential. While it may seems obvious that "face off win are important" the reality is that in a hockey game possession changes more than 100 times, it is far more important how the players perform AFTER the face off no matter if the faceoff was won or lost. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Mike Weaver will be game-time decision as Habs face Blues (2014-11-20 12:51:36)
Would like to continue the discussion from the previous thread: In response to my calling faceoffs the most useless stat and Malhotra a pretty useless player (so far this season) Peter Young wrote: **************************************** It’s been readily apparent to me that a larger percentage of faceoff wins has improved the Canadiens’ game this season. Your comment is mystifying because I would have thought that was obvious, but when you went beyond that to question the importance of winning faceoffs, it became clear that we have different understandings of the basic fundamentals of the game. The game is all about control of the puck, about puck possession, and the Canadiens’ time in possession of the puck has plainly increased this season. That’s largely down to success in winning faceoff draws. The Canadiens are pinned in their own end a great deal less than they were last season and are able to launch attacks from their own end much more readily and much more often than last season, all largely down to an increase in their improvement in winning faceoff duels. The team also wins control of the puck on faceoff draws a great deal more in the neutral and opposition zones than it did last season, which, obviously, increases its chances of scoring. The team also loses possession of the puck on power play faceoffs less often. Winning faceoffs on the power play gives the team control of the puck and the chance to score while losing faceoffs usually allows the opposing team to consume at least 20 seconds of power play time and often more. What the team does with the puck after winning a faceoff is obviously important. But it’s not more important than winning the faceoff because winning the faceoff gives the team puck possession and thus the chance to do something good with the puck–to prevent a goal or to score one. Without puck possession, the team has no chance to score. Without puck possession, the team becomes vulnerable to scoring attempts by the opposing team that has possession of the puck. Manny Malhotra’s contribution to the team has been hugely important, not only because he wins a large percentage of faceoff draws but also because he has quite clearly tutored teammates who take faceoff draws since their faceoff winning percentages have improved over last season. This is why a majority of the Canadiens’ fans answering the poll question on who has been the team’s most important acquisition this season voted for Malhotra. It’s true that it’s often not clear which team has won a faceoff, and that the statistics are not an entirely accurate reflection of what actually happened on faceoffs. But the improvement in faceoff wins giving the team puck possession is palpable to the eye, and stats are not needed to establish that. Anyway, the stats are at least a rough indicator of what’s happening on faceoffs, and they confirm what is obvious to the eye, that the Canadiens’ faceoff winning percentage has vastly improved this season. ********************************************************** While Peter make some valid points, the fact remains that with MM on the ice the Canadiens have scored only one goal while allowing 4 at even strength in about 150 minutes of ice time. My point is that if faceoffs wins are so important they would be reflected in goals scored versus goals against. here are the numbers at even strength MM fo won- 152 fo lost- 87 GF 1 GA 4. (-3) TP fo won - 148 fo lost =-132 GF -15 GA 11 (+4) DD fo won - 143 fo lost- 126 GF 16 GA 6 (+10) LE fo won - 117 FO lost -95 GF 10 GA 16 (-6) even more telling is the numbers when shorthanded: TPlek Face off won 17 Face off Lost 22 SH TOI - 42 mins MMalh face off won 51 Face off lost 39 SH TOI 60 mins WHile Plek is on while shorthanded the HABs have allowed 3 goals average is one PP goal allowed every 14 minutes While Malho is on shorthanded the HAbs have allowed 8 goals an average of one PPG allowed every 7.5 minutes Malhotra wins a much higher percentage of his face offs, yet the team allows more goals when he is on the ice. So, once again I ask, are face off wins all that important? The facts suggest otherwise. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Mike Weaver listed as day-to-day as Canadiens prepare to face Blues (2014-11-19 17:36:06)
It seems like everyone is blaming Beaulieu for the first goal yesterday. The way I saw it, and i watched it several times, was what should have been a harmless pass to an open Weise, (perhaps in his skates and not exactly `on the tape" somehow went righ tthrough Weise untouched anbd directly to a Penguin player. I would think that Weise should at least share some of the blame. By the way, I have seen numerous such turnovers on a daily basis by ALL the Habs d-men , including Markov and Subban. The second goal . was a result of PAcioretty leaving his man and attempting to reach a loose puck. Somehow he skated right by teh puck without even touching it, and it was passed to the man that Pacioretty was covering , and now left alone besdie the net for an easy goal. The second goal was 100% on Max. Third goal was on Gallagher who inexpicably failed to pick up the trailer. The team as a whole, has been allowing far too many good scoring chances, and Pittsburgh, unlike many other opponents managed to convert them into goals. AN even bigger concern is that the team is no tgenerating very many scoring opportunities of thier own. Despite trailing by 3 goals from early in the second period , I saw many occasions when a defenceman had an opportunity to join the rush and instead decided to play carefully and hang back. I believe that Therrien has made it clear that the defensemen are NOT, under any circumstances, to join, or lead, the rush. A couple of other thoughts ; -With Weaver healthy I would expect that Therrien will go back to playing 7 defencemen. If so, should we not at least make one of the seven a forward to kill penalties? -Its hard to believe, seeing Sekac skate and drive to the net, that he was made a healthy scratch in place of Travis Moen on numerous occasions this year. Kind of makes you question the coach ability at evaluating talent. - I find it amusing that many people, including those who always make fun of the "advanced stats" guys spending so much time talking about faceoffs. In my opinion faceoffs wins and losses are almost, if not totally, irrelevant. It is far more important what a team does AFTER the faceoff is won, or lost, than the wiinning, or losing, of the faceoff itself. Secondly, a good portion of the face offs are neither won, or lost, by the centermen taking the draw yet the NHL always declaresa a winner and loser for each face off.. It is the wingers who fight for possession when the draw is not a clear win that determine possession. yet the stats are always pinned to the centerman. As much as I dislike Corsi, Fenwick, and Zone Starts, etc. they at least give some measure of what is happening on the ice. Faceoff statistics are pretty much meaningless, in my opinion. Lets take Malhotra as case in point; there is no question that he is a great faceoff man, but who cares? in 170 minutes of even strength hockey with MM on the ice the TEAM has scored a grand total of ONE goal. True he is pretty good defensively , having only been on for 4 goals allowed at even strength but still.... it is NOT acceptable , in my opinion, to have a player that is so weak offensively take up a roster spot, REGARDLESS of how many face offs he wins. Personally, I don`t care if he wins 100% of the faceoffs he takes if he cannot do anything that leads to more than one goal being scored every 2.5 hours of ice time despite our gaining possession of the puck after the faceoffs. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on About last night … (2014-11-14 13:04:46)
I found it interesting because Therrien believes that at 40 years old Gonchar will be more effective than a young Beaulieu who is , on most nights the best skater on the ice. Markov could be relegated to the second unit , Subban and Gilbert could be on the first wave. I don't think that Beaulieu is a great fit for the PP. (that being said I would prefer him over Gonchar). regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Game Within the Game: Habs’ Weise strikes first and often against Bruins (2014-11-14 12:04:31)
repost from previous thread: ****************************************************** Interesting facts: season to date: Desharnais: 42;44 PP TOI team has scored one PP goal Eller: 3:16 PP TOI tean has scored one PP goal Yesterdays Game: Gonchar: 4:48 PP TOI no goals scored by team Beaulieu: 0:34 PP TOI One PP goal scored by team yesterdays game 1st Period: Beaulieu: 3 shift 1:33 TOI Gonchar: 8 shifts 7:12 TOI 2nd period ; Beaulieu: 2 shifts 0:45 TOI Gonchar: 10 shifts 7:47 TOI 3rd period ; Beaulieu: 7 shifts 4:25 TOI Gonchar: 7 shifts 4:59 TOI total: Gonchar 20:08 TOI Beaulieu: 6: 43 TOI reflections: I thought the PP looked better with PK and Gilbert than it did with Markov and Gonchar. Could the solution to PP woes be as simple as leaving Markov OFF the PP unit? The reason I ask is that the numbers indicate that when playing together at even strength Markov and Subban have been on for 10 goals in 152 minutes, an average of one goal every 15 minutes. when playing with other partners Subban has averaged one goal every 26 minutes (165 mins- 7 goals) Markov has averaged one goal every 53 minutes (150 mins-3 goals) *** averages refer to team goals scored while player on the ice" what is your Predictions: How many game will it take till Therrien realizes that Beaulieu is a more effective hockey player , today, than Gonchar? How many more years will it take until Therrien realizes that Desharnais is NOT very effective on the PP. He is our 4th best option for center position on the PP behind Plekanec Eller & Galchenyuk. *** Unlike others here, I have no problem with DD at 5 on 5 , I think he is well above average two way player, and in fact he could, and has been, effective on the penalty kill unit.****** regards, Steve O.
- Comment on About last night … (2014-11-14 11:59:30)
Interesting facts: season to date: Desharnais: 42;44 PP TOI team has scored one PP goal Eller: 3:16 PP TOI tean has scored one PP goal Yesterdays Game: Gonchar: 4:48 PP TOI no goals scored by team Beaulieu: 0:34 PP TOI One PP goal scored by team yesterdays game 1st Period: Beaulieu: 3 shift 1:33 TOI Gonchar: 8 shifts 7:12 TOI 2nd period ; Beaulieu: 2 shifts 0:45 TOI Gonchar: 10 shifts 7:47 TOI 3rd period ; Beaulieu: 7 shifts 4:25 TOI Gonchar: 7 shifts 4:59 TOI total: Gonchar 20:08 TOI Beaulieu: 6: 43 TOI reflections: I thought the PP looked better with PK and Gilbert than it did with Markov and Gonchar. Could the solution to PP woes be as simple as leaving Markov OFF the PP unit? The reason I ask is that the numbers indicate that when playing together at even strength Markov and Subban have been on for 10 goals in 152 minutes, an average of one goal every 15 minutes. when playing with other partners Subban has averaged one goal every 26 minutes (165 mins- 7 goals) Markov has averaged one goal every 53 minutes (150 mins-3 goals) *** averages refer to team goals scored while player on the ice" what is your Predictions: How many game will it take till Therrien realizes that Beaulieu is a more effective hockey player , today, than Gonchar? How many more years will it take until Therrien realizes that Desharnais is NOT very effective on the PP. He is our 4th best option for center position on the PP behind Plekanec Eller & Galchenyuk. *** Unlike others here, I have no problem with DD at 5 on 5 , I think he is well above average two way player, and in fact he could, and has been, effective on the penalty kill unit.****** regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Habs trade Travis Moen to Dallas for Sergei Gonchar (2014-11-11 16:12:03)
Once upon a time, perhaps , Gonchar was an effective point man on the power play. In recent seasons, he`s been about as useful as tits on a bull. The same can be said about Moen,; there was a time when he was a useful contributor , but those days are behind us. Overall, in my opinion the trade is a wash. Both teams will benifit from subtraction, and (my fingers are crossed) hopefully Therrien will not start using Ginchar in a regular role. Will he help the powerplay? probably, but ANYONE would help the powerplay, it cannot get any worse. They could play Weaver and Emelin on the point and probabaly see an increase in PP productivity. (Or DOuglas Murray and Josh Georges) The powerplay is broken, and its not one player that will "fix" it. My biggest fear is that Gonchar goes on the Powerplay , we score a couple of goals and then Therrien makes him part of the first unit PP for the remainder of the season. The NHL has become a game where SPEED is huge factor. in the old days , when there were three lines and forwards played twenty plus minutes per ghame they did not skate at full speed all the time; they skated at a cntrolled speed , waited for their spots and put on a burst of speed when the situation called for it. Now with 4 liners, no center ice (two line passses are no longer called) the game is different. My guess is that the team that outskates their opponents wins more than 80% of the time. Losing Moen will help our overall team speed. Adding Gonchar will hurt. Unless they pair Gonchar with Beaulieu (as they did with Douglas Murray) or perhaps PK., someone who can get to all the loose pucks in our zone, I am afraid he will cost us, big time. regards, Steve O.
- Comment on Rene Bourque clears waivers, sent to Hamilton by Canadiens; Drayson Bowman called up (2014-11-10 14:13:38)
While it has been few and far between we have seen on occassion that Bourque has the potential to be an offensive threat; Last season playoffs as an example) Putting Bourque on waivers and sending him to Hamilton was, in my opinion, a smart move with zero downside. The worst (best?) that could have happened is that some other team would claim him. On the other hand why not do the same with Moen.. There is no offensive upside potential, and he no longer provides any physical presence.. Furthermore we have a number of players (such as Gabriel Dumont) that can easily step in and fill Moen"s shoes on the defensive side with perhaps at least a little bit of offensive potential as well. regards, Steve O.