HI/O Show: Too early to declare a winner in Subban/Weber trade?

Is it safe to anoint Canadiens goaltender Carey Price the best in the world at his position? On this week’s Hockey Inside/Out Show, our hockey insiders — Gazette columnist Stu Cowan, former Canadien and TSN 690 radio host Chris Nilan, and CBC Daybreak columnist Andie Bennett — discuss Price as well as these topics:

Is it too early to declare a winner in the summer blockbuster P.K. Subban/Shea Weber trade with the Nashville Predators?

Why did it take so long to improve the Canadiens’ power play?

A new season of Habs, hockey and humour, available every Thursday at 8 a.m., exclusively at www.hockeyinsideout.com

Check out this week’s HI/O Show:


Photo: John Mahoney/MONTREAL GAZETTE


  1. teamhab says:

    Please please bring Jack Todd back. That host whoever he is ,is a disaster. Just the sound of his voice is irritating; he provides nothing to the discussion – he is singlehandedly destroying what was a decent talk show about the Habs

    • HABS2017 says:

      Fully Fully Agree! You can even tell the panel hates him. His voice makes me want to punch my monitor. His lame jokes, squinty eyes, even the way his mouth moves annoy me. I dread watching the show – just knowing I have to tolerate him for a few seconds.

    • Matt says:

      Oh…the “host” is still on the show?
      I keep hoping whoever makes the calls will see the light.
      The show is just less enjoyable because of this guy.

    • cerbere29 says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Annoying voice, and I hate the way he insults his guests with “jokes” that are not funny. How did he get this job? Is he related to someone at The Gazette? Does he have photos of them with farm animals? Or with the Leafs?

  2. Desi says:

    Man, this Susser guy is annoying. Way too flippant and full of himself. You can tell the rest of the panel doesn’t like him. The new set stinks, too. How about something other than dead-flat lighting? The panel looks so stiff sitting behind that desk, too. Rethink these production changes, HIO. The commentary from the panel, as always, is good. But a radio version would be more appealing than this video one. Why produce video if it’s going to look crappy?

    • 9the rocket says:

      Yeah Susser is not funny, if he is a comedian, me thinks it is a long time between gigs. Get him off of this show, he is terrible.

      I am a habs fan, players will come and go but the habs are forever.

  3. twocents says:

    New thread.

  4. habs001 says:

    While NB28 finally scored his 4th career goal but to me he just does not look like he can provide offense beyond average production levels…

  5. twocents says:

    If Bergevin is shopping for a top four left D, my bet would be that Emelin is going the other way. Playing with Weber is allowing scouts to get a good look at him against top players. He ia playing his best hockey in a while. His value is up. Moving his cap hit allows flexibility for return options.

    And I like Emelin, use to like him a lot. I also don’t like busting up the Ruskie party. But, it stands to reason he would be the one moving if a switch was made. Friedman says Bergy’s looking an’ talking. But who knows, maybe Nate and Emelin convince him to hold his cards with their play.

    Then the focus would be squarely on upgrading centre, which I think is the greater need.

  6. habs001 says:

    I liked DD more than the majority on this site…but now he is a shadow of the player he was when he produced 60 points…That DD would have made the Habs even a better contender..

  7. CHesterfield says:

    A good west coast venture should right this CH ship! December is a good indicator of how season will play out no? This season, team looks as solid as any. May harsh waters not crack CH hull, minor or no injuries please… Godspeed!

  8. CH Sam says:


    8. Shea Weber destroys anything that moves

    Certainly, the cross-check probably deserves a penalty. But I’ll say that we finally have someone who will make the other team think twice about getting close to the goalie.

    On another note, was watching Byron last night. Man he’s a fast little bugger! Too bad DD isn’t as fast as he is ! jk

    • twocents says:

      Hey! That guy agrees about Nate too.

    • FenceSurfer says:

      Someone on the previous thread mentioned being bothered by the non call on Weber cross check. Like you I’m all for it. Another poster suggested they should lose a couple of games in order to improve. Wow. That’s like taking acid to expand your mind at the expense of future cognitive …

      What was I saying?

  9. TaxGuy says:

    Lots of back and forth about Plekanec over the last few days. Here’s my take. Pleks is a very good shut down centre. I think he could also be a point producing 2C. He used to be able to do both, but that time may have passed. It seems that MT has tried to address this by asking DD to be the point producing 2C while Plex focuses on his shut down role. This doesn’t appear to be working. Here’s what I would try. Give Danault the shut down role and let Plex focus more on scoring.

    Patches Chucky Gally
    Lek Plex Rad
    Byron Danault Shaw
    Carr Mitchell Flynn


    • Habfan17 says:

      I support this message. I would make one change. I would have Carr on the 3rd line and Byron on the 4th.


    • Lapointe says:

      Plex has chances but doesn’t look like he has the finish to me. I think his best days are long past. 6 M a year for a defensive forward is high I would suggest. However to each his own I guess.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Some have pointed out, that production wise, last season, Pleks was in the top 6 centre range. Like you though, I find he is not up to the overall challenges and at this point, the Habs need a 2nd line centre, that will bring out the best in Lehkonen and Radulov. Too many times this season, Pleks has been set up, only to mess up.

        What I have found for years, is he does not elevate his game when it counts, the play offs and, as much as last season sucked as a group effort, as a leader, he, and some others, should have stepped up, but he wilted.


  10. New says:

    I can’t figure out why some of the fans are disgruntled. I myself am quite gruntled. The team is off to a good start.

    Cowan and Miller discovered analytics are more paper than play. Count me twice gruntled.

    I really, honestly, 100% think the Habs will do it this year. No, not that. I mean fire Therrien.

    Radu on the wrong wing so he can put Pac with DD. Man, you gotta go a long ways to see a move like that.

    Countdown is on. Before mid-December. Then again someone just said he sent Sergachev back because he didn’t want the kid changing his game to survive in the NHL.

    Ok, maybe not as gruntled as I let on.

  11. johnnylarue says:

    “If Price is in Nashville, the Preds are the toast of the league and PK has four new recording contracts and raccoon-hat endorsement.”


    (I just felt that line needed its own post.)

  12. CHesterfield says:

    Susser is fine, inspite of nasal vocal and ‘stand up’ intonations. He is good on this fourth line. It was always awkward and fantastic to have talking head style show from Gazoo. Cowan is a newspaper guy, Andie is a good balance to Knuckles who I love but find myself tuning out to. Additions of the grand curmudgeons with gravitas is all the show needs for informative show, those guys are the best! More Boone, Rusch and if they can Fisher please! Has Jessica moved on to bigger, brighter things?

    • johnnylarue says:

      In all my time here, I swear this is the single most sober and coherent post I’ve ever seen attributed to your username, CHester. Should I be worried…? 😉

    • on2ndthought says:

      Just watched the show, and I agree. The guy isn’t trying to make us laugh, but to inject a bit of a lighter note by needling the panelists.

      His pre-question analyses are on point, if not anything earth shattering.

      I missed the last show, but that is 2 or 3 I have absolutely no problem with.


      • CHesterfield says:

        Yes. Where did you get or make your avatar? It is good. You must of been a Subban guy like myself. Excellent self-confidence bro! If you decide to change in the future, keep the motif, maybe put ‘CH’ in a full moon


  13. Caesar says:

    I like Pateryn’s toughness. We often see him in th middle of things when players go near Carey.
    Anyway I look at it I think Shaw Leks Danault and Radu love are better than Semin Fleischman Eller and Weisse.
    I thought Danault was nearing his potential last year – I was wrong I think he has a lot more upside than we have seen yet.

    • krob1000 says:

      Danault…best ne year transformation I can recall ..someone last night mentioned surgery on a hip or oblique as being why he did not have same speed last year….he can move up lineup in future if he continues to rend this way…never been a scorer but he may slide nicely into that no 3 center role and who knows from there.

      • johnnylarue says:

        Nabbing Danault for a Rent-a-Weise was about as shrewd as nabbing Weise for Diaz was in the first place. MB’s making himself look pretty good with that pick-up–when it seemed at first like he was just be prideful or egotistical in reacquiring one of his pet golden-boy draft picks from his Chicago days.

        As far as I can tell, Danault is proving pretty much everybody wrong this season… except Bergevin.

        • krob1000 says:

          yep…I eat crow on Danault… totally different player with high end speed added to his skill set

        • Caesar says:

          It’s amazing how some mistakes by MB have clouded a lot of the judgement on here including mine. So far Weber is turning out good for us and Danault is a great find. DSP -MAtteau, and Sekac all seem to be the same player except DSP is a little better than them.

      • Caesar says:

        He has the size and speed. Mitchel is leading the team in goals for a reason. When it comes to talking about center I think this is where things go wrong for DD. I think DD is a great player and has overcome a lot to be in the NHL but I see so many other players on the team that could be better in the same position. But what do I know ? I think MT and MB have done the job they are paid to do.

        The run this team is on is amazing to watch- except last night where one of the greatest babseball games I have ever seen was happening- I couldn’t watch 2 minutes of the habs even during commercials. I was very pleased and surprised to see they won. Lots of bad puck luck happening in VCR right now. Ericsson is their version of Pleks. Open net misses sticks breaking bad bounces ugh hard to watch.

    • on2ndthought says:

      Danault is a great example of MB scouting and seeing something others missed. This kid was captain of his junior team as a defensive forward, at 17 years old. He then became a pt/g player in the Q.

      MB reached for him with #26 overall. This was not a ‘diamond in the rough’ pick, he was looking for a player who could be a solid presence wherever he is played.

      As soon as he had the chance, MB fleeced Stan Bowman for Danault. I’m not convinced we’ve seen the peak that this kid will reach. Even if we have, good on MB.


  14. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Scherbak and Hudon are doing really well on the farm. McCarron still hasn’t scored though.

    Man, if Scherbak realized that potential…he’s become kind of the forgotten man. Here’s hoping…

    • FlyAngler says:

      If Scherbak realizes that potential the Habs have a top 6 forward. The training camp intel was that he wasn’t prepared and he didn’t seem eager or ready to put the work in. Hopefully, getting sent down has provided some reality therapy. Great to hear that he is doing well!

      “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

      • Habfan17 says:

        Funny, I remember when they drafted him. Like Sergachev, he learned English very quickly. His coaches said he was very open, easy to coach, worked very hard, learned quickly and had a great hockey IQ. Seems strange he would come to camp not ready to put the work in.


        • Caesar says:

          I really liked the enthusiasm he had in interviews and thought he would be a great pick so late. Hopefully seeing Chucky Gally and Patches work out he realizes what needs to be done.

        • on2ndthought says:

          Some comments by Bergevin and Lapointe seemed to indicate that his habits away from the rink were not going to lead him to the show quickly.

          Nothing nefarious, just a little light on the gym work, on the development of ‘professional’ work habits. He certainly is engaging and supremely gifted.


  15. twocents says:

    Okay okay, it’s all fun and games until it turns into a witch hunt.

    The fact is Beaulieu is fifth on the team in toi/g and he is the only player not to be on the ice for a goal against. The sample is still small, but is exiting the realm of insignificance.

    He makes mistakes yes, but he’s also doing some good things out there. I’ll admit that I only saw the third last night and that his empty netter attempt a few games ago was bone-headed, but he’s a 23 year old defensemen making relative peanuts and he sure as heck ain’t no Yannick Weber. Give ’em a break, he’s a good compliment to the other D on the team.

    • krob1000 says:

      I have loved Nate’s play this year…he has had some giveaways but is learning to play riskier…he makes up for it with his legs most of the time and could very easily have several more points then he does. His risks are not a result of overplaying the puck….they have been more of some untimely decisions and just failed execution…BUT…that IMO is expected and he is playing well IMO. I am not sure MT has the patience as us fans with that style but I like the idea of him adding that to the game…as long as the pros outweigh the cons and he does it selflessly I am all for it…heck it was his goal that changed he game last night and I am not sure how many other habs dmen are able to follow that play like that and not fear being able to recover if play goes other way…he ahs done that a few times and taken pucks off far side pad shots that have come to him and just not converted but I like the offensive aggression

    • Habfan17 says:

      I think Beaulieu has done very well. Yes, a couple of brain cramps.
      It was funny to watch him deke himself out of his own athletic supporter twice last night. Losing the puck twice like that with no one pressuring him, was strange. I wonder if he was nervous for some reason.


    • ebk says:

      agree with you on this one Eric, Beaulieu has played well.

    • petemahovlichHOF says:

      He has been on the ice for at least one goal I can remember, he had a horrific giveaway in front of his own net during a Canadiens powerplay during their game against Arizona. He lost the handle on the puck numerous times last night as well. If Emelin would have done anything remotely as bad he would have been crucified.

  16. Habfan17 says:

    @ kroob1000

    Continuing our conversation. I get having to change up the lines, from time to time. Some players can play either wing, and even centre. Others can’t, and still, the ones that switch, aren’t always as effective when they do. as you mentioned below responding to my post.

    That is the one thing I do not get with Therrien. He should leave Lehkonen on the left and Rads on the right. If anything, bring up Carr, Hudon or Ghetto. At this point, I would lean towards Hudon. He plays left wing and centre and the way DD has played the last two games, he should sit a game or two out. Or, Therrien could move Shaw to centre and they could bring up Ghetto.

    I think lines of Flynn/Carr, Hudon/Shaw, Shaw/Ghetto would be better.


    • krob1000 says:

      That was a big part of what drove me crazy last year that whole Eller line was out of position at the time….Chucky had no experience at center, Eller is only good as a center and Semin prefers his off wing and Chucky was lethal from right wing…yet every one of them played wrong position. Then there was the pp selections, the elevation of DD, Weise,etc…..the Markov use and reluctance to hold onto puck and chip.chase with a team that was small and not able to retireve….so many things that just seemed so illogical…this tea can handle whatever style MT wants to employ though with Lehk/Rad/Shaw additions and Weber…all guys more suited to his game…still do not understand why they would leave him DD given his reliance but since he is here I am fine with him playing with good players….just not on PP….I actually liked DD on wing…he kept thinss simple, could cheat more, was forced to shoot puck and simplify…for a small guy he does well when he goes to net and shoots puck

      • Phil C says:

        The line juggle this year is a failure as well. They were playing better with the previous lines. The DD line was brutal last night, getting outshot and out-chanced big-time. They should be broken up for that alone.

        • krob1000 says:

          Shaw was best player on that line last night by a country mile…but Patch is always hot/cold…but much preferred different combos we have already seen or idea of adding Rad or heck even Gally to Patch to help Dd out and insulate..

        • Habfan17 says:

          For the last two games, DD has been next to useless. I thought reuniting him and Patches was supposed to ignite their professed chemistry and lead to goals!


          • CHesterfield says:

            I see it as MT’s strange ‘Riopelle’ style for throw out line combos. His ‘instinctive’ slap-dash assignments, when working, confuse the opposition as how to adapt. Everyone thinks it is dumb at first thought, over time there is a grand method to appreciate. Final tweaks- Gally to play with Plex and Lex on with Chucker and Radu! Cooking with gaz! As in who is really lines 1, 2, 3?


      • Habfan17 says:

        The other thing that really had me scratching my head, was keeping Pateryn out until the 44th game, with Petry hurting and the team is such a funk. It made no sense, especially when you look back at Pateryn’s play in the previous play offs.


  17. arcosenate says:

    Glad Eller is gone, so frustrating watching that guy. I like him but he was never going to be anything but third line material.

    5 BOLD predictions:

    1. Sergachev will be sent back to junior.
    2. Weber will get off to a fast start and gain instant acceptance.
    3. Plekanec will get off to a slow start.
    4. Al Montoya will be unbeaten in October.
    5. Habs will not lose in regulation in October.

    There you have it. Let’s see how this plays out.

    • krob1000 says:

      Really miss Eller…this was finally a chance for him as there are 3 legit pairs of wingers and now he is gone….getting no pp time again in Wash but getting rave reviews from coaching staff.

      • twocents says:

        Yeah, but you missed Sekac too!

        For the record, I’d much rather have Eller over DD.

        • krob1000 says:

          Still think Sekac could have been something…IF team had continued to play more up tempo game they started with…. and without the allegations of him being difficult etc. In the first 20 some games his play was in the upper half of Habs forwards….but he was not rewarded…we have pieced together now that he had some issues a la Sergei K …but without knowing that at time it seemed off that he kept getting demoted as his play did not warrant it….Semin was an offensive guy and I get him and MT not getting along…but Sekac played almost like Lehkonen early on…but fell out of favour…once you fall out of favour with MT it appears you never return…or if you are in favour it seems you never fall out…

      • D Mex says:

        Getting no PP time in WSH, yet still recording points on par with the action figure seen here ( ↓ ) leaping across the boards in a single bound … http://i.imgur.com/NoNJ3FV.gif

        • krob1000 says:

          From this week Friedman 30 thoughts….

          18. Other than that, MacLellan said, “I like what we’ve got. We’re as good as ever down the middle.” A key to that is Lars Eller. His previous GM, Bergevin, has a saying: “There are guys who get you there and guys who get you through.” There was a time he felt Eller was the latter. MacLellan hopes so. “He’s stronger and faster than we thought. He should be a producer of more offence. He’s a quiet guy but has the ability to elevate. Pittsburgh was his best game.” That was the opener, with the Penguins raising the banner.

      • habsr4ever says:

        smoke screen as Nilan would say.
        Any how – if they loved him so much he would be getting some PP time to show off his “offensive” IQ – which is close to ZERO.

    • Timo says:

      You has da vision.

  18. Marek says:

    Hey gang. Off topic here but I’m gonna in vancouver next week and the Habs will be playing 4 games while I’m there. Does anyone know of any good places in the downtown area that will show the habs games?

  19. RightNyder says:

    Are we viewing the trade through a Mike Condon prism or a Carey Price prism?
    If Condon was still back there, the team is 3-6-1, Weber is -3 (his beard only +2), how loud would the howling be?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What if it was a combination of events? That when the team had subpar goaltending it exposed flaws in how the team was built. Such that when Price returned along with the changes in makeup the team was stronger?

      • RightNyder says:

        Team was poorly constructed and exposed with the lousy goaltending.
        Homework to plug some of those holes was finally turned in; a couple of papers left before the assignment is complete.
        What’s odd for me is that while I never feel like the other team is ever going to score a goal, which provides a unique sense of calm, every team they are flailing away near the crease, I tense up, waiting for something nasty to happen to Price.
        Makes for an odd game to watch…

      • krob1000 says:

        Was a combo of a whole bunch of things…when trying to be an offensive team also they were leading league in goals…then they went all chip/chase/collapse first and played more rigid and that is when the trouble hit….started icing a ton of pucks, changed lines and elevated a certain someone, more dump and chase…..I am extremely optimistic but I will admit there were times last tow games where I have had some slightly negative thoughts happen about the line changes and more icings, dumping of pucks, staying in tighter and collapsing vs the pressure in d zone we have seen so far…hoping it is a coincidence….but last year after being top offensive team in NHL they changed their style to “tighten up”….hopefully they are not making same adjustments again!!! Iam thinking it was just a couple of rough games…but I found last 2 games to be worst combos and play since Ott…was sure line blender would come out as it would have made sense last night….did not like the PP entries either….but loved 4th line…all energizer guys rad, Gally and Shaw did their thing…having that many non stoppers really helps..

    • Donkey Hoat says:

      We should be viewing it through the Michel Therrien prism: “I won’t change my style of coaching, preparation or running practices, and please God, keep Carey healthy, or it’s back to being Roch Voisine’s bodyguard.”

  20. nightmare_49 says:

    two cents – ” Ouch “.

  21. bwoar says:


    I like your lines below. Def. want Radu back on the side he’s best at.

    One thing that hit hard again last night – Beaulieu has Dustin Bufuglien’s hockey IQ without with big hits. He’s a bit of a hand grenade like Buff (dangerous for either team). He absolutely needs to play with a guy who will stay back and cover for him. Although he scored, he also got burned on some bad pinches, overskated, and let pucks get by him a lot.

    Much as I like Peteryn I don’t think he’s really up to the task of covering for his current partner half the night.

  22. CH Sam says:

    Susser: “I sent this person a facebook friend request 7 months ago…”
    Andie: “I don’t look at the friend requests”

    haha.. Actually they should keep Susser. Keeps things awkward and interesting 🙂

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    **Warning, link to Damien Cox article below:

    This is why I was loathe to link an article by Cox a week or so ago. Here is Cox claiming the league is out to get Kadri. What i don’t understand is why Cox makes zero comment about Kadri getting away with a penalty on the game winning goal against Edmonton?

    Would seem to me if the league really wants to get even with Kadri this call is made in a heartbeat, but perhaps that wouldn’t support Cox and his perspective.


    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’ve said this before, but I like Damien Cox, liked him on ‘The Reporters’ with Dave Hodge keeping him in check somewhat. I don’t mind the big ego, since he’s funny. The big smudge on his record is when he prematurely broke the ‘news’ of Pat Burns’ passing, which were greatly exaggerated, and then instead of apologizing and owning it, tried to explain why he made a mistake. Journalism 101, you get it right, instead of rushing to print/tweet, and then explaining why you ‘understandably’ got it wrong.

      But I won’t read an apologia for Nazem Kadri (or Nausea Kadri, as a wag posted a couple days ago), I can’t stomach that.

    • FlyAngler says:

      Can’t speak to the Kadri issue, but it certainly seems as though Brendan Gallagher still has a target on his back. Even Gary Galley questioned the interference call last night and defended Gallagher saying that it appeared that he was simply trying to stay onside. I realize that Gallagher is not being penalized the way that he had been in previous seasons but I would argue that this is due more to his modifying his play around opposing goaltenders and their creases. Human nature being what it is, we can all succumb to holding a grudge. True professionals detach themselves from such emotions and feelings and do their jobs with integrity and impartiality. One would hope that officials try to do their best in this regard but at times you have to wonder……

      “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

      • krob1000 says:

        The Gally, Shaw calls were ridiculous…Byron one too….I think when Gally took that 2 on 1 to net he let up a bit because of what happened to Byron earlier…normally he takes that puck hard right through crease and tries to jam it past…that is my belief on it anyway…wasn’t a typical Gally net drive.

        • CHesterfield says:

          On nick names, understand ‘Gally’ but can’t help but read ‘Gary Galley’. Ugh! Maybe he should be ‘Honey Badger’ or Badghe… Nick names, what are you going to do?


    • Strummer says:

      I don’t think Kadri got away with anything on the game winning goal.
      McDavid gave as good as he got on that sequence.
      Both were jostling and Kadri prevailed.
      I will always give the benefit of the doubt to the on ice official who is a few feet away from the play as to who was interfering with whom and to what extent, as opposed to the television view

      -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-

  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    Remember the glowing endorsements from Washington after the trade, that Lars would get some powerplay time, over and above centering the third line? So far, if I’m reading this right, he is credited with one second of PP time this season.


    ¡Viva Frontenac siempre y para siempre!


    • cbhabsfan says:

      He is what he is. If they aren’t happy with the 15 goals, 15 assists they will get from their shutdown centre who can kill penalties, just what did they think they were getting in the first place? Someone for their top six? We all know how that one played out here.

    • D Mex says:

      Is there a team in the league that doesn’t talk-up a trade acquisition ?
      (John Scott doesn’t count)
      Look at the Canucks with Eriksson (?)

      Edit : I’d reluctantly accept trading Desharnais for Eller to remedy the inequity you have kindly brought to attention … would that help ?

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      (Coaching 101 – what not to do : http://i.imgur.com/NoNJ3FV.gif)

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        You’re quite right that teams talk up their acquisitions, it just stuck with me when the Caps’ GM was saying, on the trade floor, that Lars was going to get PP time. How did he know that? Was he going to order the coach to play him on the PP? It just seemed premature, and at odds with what we knew of Lars at the time.

        If he was getting significant PP time, I swear I would have posted that too…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      3rd line center playing his role of 3rd line center. But alas he plays for the Capitals now. This isn’t brought up in order to take attention away from the incredible popularity of a diminuitve center still presently on the Habs roster and more importantly on the powerplay, is it?

    • twilighthours says:

      The length of your link is impressive.

    • Gerry Pigeon says:

      Here are the Caps line combos and 1st and 2nd PP units. No sign of Lars, he must have got his second of PP time coming over the boards early as the PP ended…


      • Luke says:

        Probably a faceoff at 1:59 of a PP.
        I reckon he gets used by Trotz the same way MT used him:

        Lars gets the first shift after a PP to try and contain the likes of Patrick Kane or Alex Galchenyuk. Players who don’t typically kill penalties and get thrown out for the first shift after a kill to try and get some of the fabled momentum back.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Winger not center? I thought Trotz would use him at his natural position.

          • Luke says:

            This was in reference to the 1 second of PP time, but Fine… The 4 years prior to much of last year.

            That was an attempt to get both Galchenyuk in the middle and Lars playing with better offensive players.

            Personally, last year, I’d have kept Lars in the middle with Fleischman and Weise and used DD on the LW with Galcheynuk and Semin.

            But I also gave up the hopes of an offensively productive (like 45-55 points) Lars a season prior.

  25. on2ndthought says:

    Barberio had a brutal training camp, and played himself out of the NHL. Redmond was (I believe) brought in as competition and not as a replacement.

    Barberio will get another chance, as an injury replacement. It is up to him to capitalize.


  26. Dust says:

    I really feel sorry for those people who stopped watching or being fans of the habs after the trade. They are missing out big time. Watching Price play is something I’m gonna tell my Grandchildren about. It is such a cool feeling i have watching him. Even in the last two games when the other team was controlling the majority of play I never felt nervous I knew we had Price back there. I always thought the habs would win.

    • Ingy27 says:

      I actually thought last nights game was pretty boring. I will take the 2 points any day but overall was not fun to watch. I didnt feel like anyone was gonna score on Price either as they didnt have many good scoring opportunities out of those 42 shots IMO. Hopefully next game will be a more entertaining game.

      • krob1000 says:

        Between Price, Habs D and their offense even after sucking in forst it was pretty comfortable…I never felt result was in doubt…but the game itself …worst of season…good to know can win when playing like that. The Pp could not enter zone, virtually everyone was giving pucks away…normal stalwarts like PEtry giving pucks up, guys overskating pucks, missing passing targets by several feet….was rough for sure…BUT…that is what depth is about…when one area not clicking others step up and get the job done.

        IT is amazing this team is where they are and top players up front have not yet got going and Montoya had 4 starts…that is pretty encouraging. Odds are right now that usual scoring guys will get going but D and/or goaltending may suffer…ideally when that happens the offense is generating enough to carry team…this is what a rounded team does. Still stand by this being a top 4 in East team….will not go out and say first even after quick start as there are a couple of other really good teams in East in TB, Pitt and Wash,etc…but this team is for real….a legit contender to come out of East for sure…will need some more tweaking but really, really close and assets to burn

  27. cbhabsfan says:

    I’m getting an uncomfortable feeling of deja vu about the recent line tinkering/rejoining at the hip of Pacioretty and Desharnais these days, and last night’s crap performance against a lousy Canucks teams doesn’t make me fel any better.

    Correct me if I’m wrong (take a number), but wasn’t the inept line juggling one of the factors that led to the ultimate collapse last season? The Price and Gallagher injuries were the major factors, of course, but things got mighty confusing mighty quick once the line blender was switched from medium to high.

    What’s with Therrien and his fondness for veteran forwards playing roles they aren’t suited for? Wouldn’t it make more sense to call up someone playing well in a scoring role in the AHL to replace an injured scoring line forward, rather than moving up players from his bottom six?

    The way this coach deploys his roster may be as big a roadblock to our Stanley Cup aspirations as any number of injuries to anyone not named Care Price.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Strictly about the blender reference, again, I think it’s overblown in Canadiens’ fans’ minds how much Michel Therrien juggles lines compared to other coaches. They all do it.

      Just this morning, I read this:

      “…Lucic has changed the culture here. He’s a vocal leader, an intimidating physical presence and consistent offensive complement to Connor McDavid on the Oilers’ top line. That is, until head coach Todd McLellan unpacks the blender, as he was forced to do Sunday with his team in need of a jolt down the stretch.”


      I posted last month a comment where I copied three passages from three different newspapers from three different cities that characterized three frontline NHL coaches as using a ‘blender’. Joel Quenneville, Lindy Ruff, they’re all fighting a reputation of “going to the line blender”, yuk yuk, aren’t we clever.

      I wish Michel Therrien had a better option than David Desharnais. I’m crossing my fingers that Mike McCarron will turn into the monster of our dreams in the next twenty games or so.

      • cbhabsfan says:

        It’s not so much the juggling as it his pig-headed attempts to jam square pegs into round holes. As a for instance, Dale Weise is no one’s idea of a top six winger.

        I’m sure Therrien is mulling over the possibilities for security blankets of this type for this year’s model even as I type this post. Just when things are going well – that seems to be when he gets the itchy trigger finger.

        • RightNyder says:

          That to me smacked more of desperation than pig-headedness.
          When you get outplayed and outshot and outchanced and outeverythinged in many games, unless you’ve got Carey Price back there and the W’s are piling up, folks are going to look at the coach.
          When you have no answers, you have to look like you’re doing something.
          Like making Dale Weise a top-sixer. If it works, you’re a genius. If not, no one expected it to.
          Have I mentioned I’m not a Therrien fan?

          • cbhabsfan says:

            Come on. Therrien even tried out Torrey Mitchell there last season.

            Have I mentioned that I like Dale Weise as a hockey player? Just not as a hockey player who can get you goals on a consistent basis.

            Even last season, we had a couple of decent prospects in St. John’s who might have done more with the opportunity than the promoted pluggers.

            Same situation this year, but I suspect we’ll see promotion from within before any real callups.

          • RightNyder says:

            Complaining about 9-0-1 is hard work, you know…

          • cbhabsfan says:

            Even Don Cherry could probably see that this team is just a Carey Price injury away from uncharted waters again, despite the improved roster.

            I have no faith in how Therrien manages his forwards, in good times or bad. The evidence is certainly there.

    • RightNyder says:

      As long as Price is healthy, there will be no long losing streaks and a great regular season.
      When you get outshot 2-1 and out-Corsi(ed) by one of the worst teams in the league, and get outplayed in a variety of your opening 10 games, you either don’t have the talent you think you do, or you have coaching issues.
      If Condon was still our goalie, we’re 3-6-1, Weber is minus-3 and us oldies are filling their Depends. If Price is in Nashville, the Preds are the toast of the league and PK has four new recording contracts and raccoon-hat endorsement.
      The trade itself was moving out one top RHD for another. It helps Montreal because the harrumphing tool of a coach doesn’t have to pull out what little hair he has left trying to rein in a wild stallion who won’t listen, and it helps the invisible man Captain MK to just fade back into the leadership woodwork.
      But without Carey Price, it wouldn’t matter. Hockey’s version of the rope-a-dope gives us a shot in every game.
      He is remarkably good.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:

        Even the 70’s dynasty Habs had off nights, squeaking by bottom feeders in 6-5 games when they were flat out unmotivated. Was Scotty Bowman the problem?

        I’m not an MT fan either, but will only blame him if it’s his fault. Habs play a couple of lackadaisical games vs Leafs and Nucks, one due to being tired, and another cause of a 4 day layoff, not to mention they can’t get up for Vancouver, it’s hardly anyone’s fault. Now if they play listlessly for 10 game stretches, then we can make the case to promote Captain Kirk.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, I have not found Radulov to be as effective as he was on the right side.


      • krob1000 says:

        I found Rad better on other side and personally liked lines the way they were…last two games I thought were teams roughest since opening game of season…. but got job done. Ideally they go back to one of the other variations. WHy not move Rad with DD/Patcha dn Shaw with LEhk/Pleks? that would insulate DD and make PLeks line legit shutdown line…I actually liked Byron with Chcuky and Gally…he helped Gally retrieve some pucks and his buzzing around led to chances …they just weren’t cashed…but overall I thinkt he team played better in any of the earlier combos than they have last 2 games…

  28. Coozeman says:

    Big Mac’s Skating I meant

  29. Coozeman says:

    Arrived in Montreal today, gonna get freshened up and hunt a few pints of beer, cheers and thanks again for your suggestions!

    Pleks is a third line centre for he still has shutdown capabilities but at six mil per it is hard to swallow, for he seems to have lost his offensive edge over the past several years or maybe it is just a step that he has lost, for small players who depend on speed aren’t so great once their speed diminishes. We need a second line centre, DD has to go, he is being used on the second line and PP because of plek’s offensive ineptitude! If Big Mac’s sharing keeps progressing, he isn’t far away. Sherback is my surprise of the season in the AHL, he finally looks like a pro this year and could be that not so distant second line Centre, even if not this year.

    On another note, as you all know, we need a top pairing left hand shot on D… We have that star in the making in the OHL and Juulsen from the right side is looking incredible as well to start the season.

    So with all that said, how do we get a second line centre for now and a top pairing left D for now to take us from being a good team with the best goalie in the world to a great team with the best goalie in the world?!

    • D Mex says:

      The team has signalled fairly clearly that Sergachev is the #1 D prospect.

      With Weber, Petry and Pateryn as solid RHD fixtures, and a predictable reluctance to dress 2 rookies on the backend at the same time, I can see Juulsen being featured in a package deal to fetch the centre that the team so clearly needs for a serious run.

      IF the Fucale situation has taught us anything, it is that some high-profile prospects have more trade value before being exposed at the pro level.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      (Coaching 101 – what not to do : http://i.imgur.com/NoNJ3FV.gif)

  30. Mavid says:

    Dean Brown has been smokin the drapes again, or he did not watch any Habs games last year. He just said that Condon was not the reason why the Habs lost so many games last year..Yikes..

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    • Cardiac says:

      Well, when you’re playing behind an AHL defence corp and an offence that on most nights were scoring 2 goals a game or less… you’re not going to win many games whoever the goaltender is…

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • D Mex says:

      His use was certainly a factor, but it was not the only reason.
      He was a rookie who, along with seasoned pros, operated in a leadership void. It’s a team game.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      (Coaching 101 – what not to do : http://i.imgur.com/NoNJ3FV.gif)

    • Habfan17 says:

      Dean Brown is a Sens broadcaster. I doubt it would go over well if he said Condon struggled in too many games and showed that he was not ready to start so many games.

      You are right though, Pierre McGuire was on the Ottawa Radio, TSN1200, this morning and said it was a great move by Ottawa.


      • Mavid says:

        I agree Dean Brown is one of the biggest homers I have ever seen, which is my point..a big part of the giant colapse was on Condon..he was not very good. I remember most nights posters on here saying that very thing. No he should not throw the guy under the bus..he just arrived, but to say that he is really good is rediculus and just shows what a terrrible sports reporter he is.

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      • Strummer says:

        The Stanley Cup champions felt Condon could be a useful pick-up for their requirements AT THE TIME. Things changed and they moved him out.
        Sens feel the same as they are in a situation where there top 2 are unavailable.
        A little context is required.

        -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-

        • Mavid says:

          Did you hear what Dean Brown said..I did..

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  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    “The Canucks can hold their heads very high for the way they played last night. But when the score hit 2-0, it might as well have been 5-0.”–Matt Sekeres of TSN 1040 Vancouver

    ¡Viva Frontenac siempre y para siempre!


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