HI/O Show: Habs will face more pressure next season

When Guy Lafleur is asked a question, you can count on getting an honest answer.

And that happened again this week when the Canadiens Hall of Famer was asked about the team’s elimination by the New York Rangers in six games in the Eastern Conference final.

“It’s not enough to be happy with a good season,” Lafleur told La Presse. “You don’t play hockey to have a good season. You play to win the Stanley Cup.

“Let’s be objective,” he added. “Guys like (Thomas) Vanek and (Max) Pacioretty, you don’t keep those guys on your team. They should stay home if they’re not ready to pay the price. Your team will never win with players like this who fade when confronted by adversity.”

Lafleur’s comments are among the topics of conversation in our season-ending HI/O Show as former Hab Chris Nilan joins columnist Jack Todd, blogger Mike Boone and sports editor/host Stu Cowan.

The panel looks back on the biggest surprises and disappointments of the past season and ahead to next season, when the pressure will be even higher on a Canadiens team that came within two wins of a trip to the Stanley Cup final.

Other questions brought up include: How much is P.K. Subban worth? Will Andrei Markov and/or Brian Gionta be back in Montreal? How long should coach Michel Therrien’s contract extension be for? What’s the team’s biggest need during the off-season?

(Photo by Sterling Agres/HI/O Show)

Lafleur takes shot at Vanek, Pacioretty, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

3,340 Comments

  1. habsfaninboston says:

    Rags hanging tough.

  2. CH Marshall says:

    3245 FFS McDonaugh scores. Please somebody pull the plug on the Rangers and put an end to this once and for all

  3. habs_54321 says:

    1-1…

  4. CH Marshall says:

    lol little cheap dig at Bryz

  5. PK says:

    Just to get some more comments on this thread or, perhaps, discussion:

    How many pieces are the Habs missing before they can look like the Kings?

    What do we need?

    Will MB be able to do this over the next 2 to 3 years?

    Oh yeah, there is a hockey game on right now … fine…. as long as LA puts us out of our misery; never-ending exposure to the Rangers. ..

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

    • habs_54321 says:

      the biggest problem for the habs right now is lack of development from prospects particularly forwards and particularly in the AHL sylvain needs too go. Even the dmen are not developing as they should down there

      • CH Marshall says:

        What I’m worried about is any cronyism that might be happening to keep Sylvain around. The prospects need someone to continue teaching the game to them, and that includes trying to win

        • habs_54321 says:

          its a serious problem if thats the case, especially since a new wave of prospects will be going too play in hamilton soon, we cannot afford too have guys like de la rose for example going too hamilton and having his confidence and skills erode, we need too have young players ready too be injected into the big leagues lineup and capable of making an impact.

      • Mark C says:

        What forward prospects has he had to work with? He’s already graduated two in two years. Beaulieu and Tinordi sure look they are developing fine.

        • habs_54321 says:

          beaulieu and tinordi should be further along in there development, are you aware beaulieu does not even play first wave powerplay in hamilton? he had what 20 points the whole year down there? hamiltons leading scorer had 10 goals, nobody had 20 down there (this is the freakin ahl!) but MOST importantly as CH said is they are not WINNING any games if hamilton were the habs people would be SCREAMING for justified change

    • CJ says:

      Size, size and size. Size and skill down the middle. Size and mobility on defence. You won’t find any Gionta’s, DD’s, Frankie’s in LA.

      Secondly, home run drafting. Pearson was a first rounder (30th) but Toffoli was 47th while Muzzin was a fifth. Secondly, deft trades and signings. Carter, Gaborik, Greene, Williams, etc, etc….. Montreal has enjoyed some very good drafts and we seem to be improved traders.

      Thirdly, face offs. This year’s playoffs, I really noticed how often we started without the puck, and were forced to chase the play. IMO, not playing White hurt us a he was our best face off guy, plus he is right handed.

      Lastly, coaching. Trusting young players and assembling a team that blends youth with experience.

      Montreal has the goaltending and a number of pieces to complete the puzzle. IMO, we should be willing to take a small step back next year, giving bigger roles and responsibilities to our younger players. Another strong draft, a couple complimentary UFA pieces, and a couple good trades, along with health and good luck and we could push for a Cup in 2015-2016.

      • PK says:

        All good points CJ.
        Patience for us as Habs fans, I guess.
        MB may end up buying time with some of the vets (Gionta, Markov), waiting for the prospects to develop.

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

      • piper says:

        Good point about face offs. I liked what I saw of Whitey this year but MT obviously didn’t.

    • habsfaninboston says:

      Another puck moving D-man and a sniper for starts.

    • hansolo says:

      Not to be a negative Nellie but the Habs are a long ways off from the Kings. It’s fair to say LA wouldn’t be interested in bringing back a 5′ 7″, 35 year old UFA forward with both biceps tendons repaired. LA would probably look to a young player to replace that individual – which we don’t have, yet. We probably won’t in 2 or 3 years, either. Of De La Rose, Lehkonen, Crisp, Nevins and Gregoire, I have the most hopes for Gregoire as being a Kyle Clifford type player. The others, well, we just don’t know. We don’t have a stud at center like Kopitar and Chucky won’t be a Kopitar in 2 -3 years.

      On D, we have prospects. Our main problem is that we’re waiting for them to “wow” us before they can play but they aren’t put in situations to wow us. So, how do they get to play? They will make mistakes, which isn’t good for a coach in Montreal.

      So, I think we’re about 4 or 5 years off, not 2 or 3.

      • PK says:

        If you are right about 4 to 5 years, MB may be in trouble by that point. MT will have been long gone.

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

        • hansolo says:

          As long as the team makes the playoffs, which with PK and Price we are quite likely to, even in 4 or 5 years MB will be ok. Ken Holland has said that it takes 10 or more years to judge a GM’s body of work.

          Now, if we don’t make the playoffs, then MB will be in trouble.

          As for MT, I don’t know. He really is a polarising figure. There were times I wanted him gone and yet he took us to the ECF.

          Good thread you started…

  6. habs_54321 says:

    so whats the record for comments on HIO?

  7. 24 Cups says:

    I can’t decide which is worse – the USA national anthem intro with all the military propaganda or the endless self promotion of Don Cherry and his “illustrious” career as a marginal hockey player.

    Is this the best that the CBC can do on the final night of NHL coverage for 2014?

    How sad.

    24 Cups

  8. habs_54321 says:

    i cant watch the clip above with boone, cowen, nilan and todd it says no longer available, never had time too watch the whole thing is it still available somewhere?

  9. habs_54321 says:

    so in effort too generate some conversation lets discuss the poll who chose what dman and why? I took shea weber just the complete package leadership, physicality, size, great positional play, offence, nothing against pk we are lucky too have him but I would put him 3rd on that list behind doughty and weber

    • Mondou6 says:

      I’d choose PK, partially because I’m a homer, and partially because I think, if anything, his talents have been greatly held back here.

      Imagine PK on the Kings. Or on any team that could afford to turn him loose.

      • hansolo says:

        I would choose PK as well. From day 1, he’s had to deal with different standards being applied to him (by the hockey mainstream, personified by Mike Richards) with fewer people defending him (except us fans), he plays on a team which the hockey media in general don’t gush over, and he’s taken to task for more for the errors he inevitably commits than either Doughty or Weber.

  10. hansolo says:

    Man, I’m starting to hate the Rangers.

    Is this what we’re going to see from now on in hockey? Teams deliberately trying to injure the opposition’s goaltender?

    I hope the NHL clamps down on this. There is no way what Pouliot did was incidental.

    • Mondou6 says:

      As long as it doesn’t happen to the Bruins, it will be celebrated as “part of the game”. If Rask gets run, then all hell will break loose.

      • hansolo says:

        Then maybe Rask should get run, if that’s what it takes to have the NHL wake up to this. That POS Lucic ran Miller (who hasn’t been the same since) and has never had to answer for it.

        A goalie’s focus is not on whether he’s going to get hit. Ergo, he is just about defenceless. This practice the Rangers appear to have institutionalized is despicable.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Get rid of The Instigator Rule! In the old days the Lads would take care of that sh#t. Goalie runs, cheap shots and diving. That’s what it’s all come down to amigos. The Hall Monitors and Principal are impotent.

      • hansolo says:

        Front, as usual, despite being hammered as you have said you are, you still make more sense than I do completely sober.

        To quote you, Saludos!

    • CJ says:

      I hate seeing contact with the goalies, however, it COULD be argued that Quick was outside the crease. IMO, it looked like he was two feet outside the top of the crease. Quick is also a noted diver….

      The Rangers will reap what they sow. Kreider’s hit on Price has elevated the sensitivity around this topic, so they will not be afforded the benefit of the doubt – nor should they be from the officiating crew.

      • hansolo says:

        Normally, I’m all for “letting them play” for the most part. Too much officiating is as bad as too little. In the case of goaltender contact, right now my sympathies are with the ‘tender. Let’s hope the goalies don’t start to become divers as a result – in which case, it will truly be open season on them, and perhaps with justification.

        • CJ says:

          Again, I’m all for protecting the goalies. That said, I’m less protective when they are outside the crease. Hypothetically speaking, what if Quick was another two feet outside the top of the crease?

          Secondly, much like certain skaters are divers, certain goalies are divers. Mike Smith and Jonathan Quick are at the very top of that list. As noted above, the Rangers must live with it, because of the wreckless play of Kreider and company.

  11. Mondou6 says:

    And Quick gets run by Pouliot. Seems the Rangers have a thing for trying to knock out goalies.

    Since we were too pacifist to do anything about it, I’m hoping now that LA takes out Lundqvist.

  12. Mondou6 says:

    Good evening mes amis…

    Glad to see LA get on the board early. After our series, I’m comfortable saying “F the Rangers”. Hopefully the Kings will roll big tonight.

    World Cup is fun to watch! Rooting for US, France, Germany, Brazil.

  13. Captain aHab says:

    The Rags are getting away with soooooooooooooo many picks and interference.

    —————-
    Prepare to be boarded!!

  14. frontenac1 says:

    Williams draws first blood. 1-0 Kings.

  15. John Q Public says:

    Did they fire the the fuc*in coach yet ?
    What are they waiting fore.

  16. UKRAINIANhab says:

    @Dunboyne

    Im South Korea, Belgium, and Algerias #1 fan. :)

  17. EL_PRESEDENTE says:

    LA 5 NY 1

    If you are crazy, you can be discharged from the army. But you have to apply for the discharge, and applying demonstrates that you are not crazy. As a result, you will not be discharged.

  18. frontenac1 says:

    So tonight we see Lord Stanley hoisted? I’m pretty hammered already but I’m going to rally “with a little help from my friends” it never gets old amigos. Saludos!

  19. Maritime Ronn says:

    3200

    • Strummer says:

      Hey Ronn-
      Looks like the Weber for Subban hypothesis that was floating around before the playoffs is a no-go.
      Poile says he won’t part with Weber.

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Strumm

        ….oops, that was me
        :-)
        Putting Marketing aside, Weber for Subban is a no brainer…for the Habs

        • Strummer says:

          Yes Ronn it was you. It was plausible.
          Weber is still a stud and the Preds are out of their depth financially

          ____________________________________________________
          “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  20. D Man says:

    I’m lovin the mod-free soccer talk. Yahoo!

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  21. thebonscott says:

    I hope we draft Brendan Lemieux , like what he brings to the table.

    C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

  22. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …finally;

    ’5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer; We’re just not that good at it’

    …Face it, if we’re not the best, we don’t want to take part.

    North Americans have a horrible time accepting the fact that there are some things that others are better at than we are.

    To compound this situation, it’s something that both the French and British are better at than us.

    I can think of few things more humiliating than being beat by the French or British at ANYTHING!

    :)

  23. Dunboyne Mike says:

    @Clay.
    Help an expat! Are those Harper facts — or a nice selection of them — conveniently assembled in one place?
    As you’ll recall yourself, Canadian politics (with the lone exception of the Toronto mayoralty) make zero impact in non-Canadian media (which is a pleasure actually). It leaves me in that irrational, unfair place where I know I don’t like Harper but I can’t really back it up. The gist of my impression of him is that he must have re-written his birth cert, being in fact born in Texas and a Christian fundamentalist who played Little League with George W and absorbed that family’s extreme right-wing politics. And his First Nations apology — which I heard live while on a short visit home — was nothing but window-dressing.

  24. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …fourth;

    ’5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer; There is no place for Hooliganism in North America’

    …Go to any football game these days, and you’ll quickly see that America has become anti-hooligan.

    Fans of the sort that prefer to urinate on the fans of the opposing team just aren’t as accepted as we (I mean they) used to be.

    Whereas stadiums used to have a family friendly area where they could be separated for this vile unruliness, it is now the other way around.

    Those who pee, vomit, eat small animals, and use the Lord’s name in vain are now cordoned off far away from everyone else.

    It is quite impossible to enjoy the game of soccer without being snookered to a degree that makes you think taking a jog around the field is a good idea.

    A soccer game is highlighted by the shenanigans of the unruly lot that view the opposing team and their fans as mortal enemies who deserve a fate no less than death.

    This kind of passion only comes about if said team and fans burned your house down, or if you drink your yearly quota of beer in the span of 12 hours.

    But today’s family friendly stadiums don’t allow for this kind of nonsense.

    In addition, authorities actually work to quell disturbances that occur outside the stadium, leaving nowhere to “rumble” with the opposing side.

    Check out this video of British fans after a game. http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=xtOXiQToz64&feature=related

    Such behavior here would get you a good clubbing to the head and a night or two in the pokey.

    Over there, a simple “hey mate, I’m just mad about the soccer match” is all that needs to be said to justify the burning of a village.

  25. Donkey Hoat says:

    Glad I watched that Spain/Holland match, so I could witness 50% of the total goals scored in this tournament.

  26. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …third;

    ’5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer; Soccer Had it’s Chance…and Missed it’

    …In 1999, the Women’s World Cup was held in the United States.

    Of course no one cared about this anymore than they care about soccer in general, but during the title game, there was a moment that could have forever changed the course of soccer in the US and Canada.

    During the final game, after scoring the winning goal, Brandie Chastain dropped to her knees and peeled her shirt off.

    Since this was a soccer game, and a women’s soccer game at that, the chances that any heterosexual males over the age of 10 were watching are mind-bogglingly low.

    However, it was an opportunity, maybe the only opportunity, to turn the tide for all those poor little boys of soccer moms who are barreling down a path towards pink polo shirts and having a “partner” instead of a wife.

    In fact, the chance existed, though slight as it may have been, that the removal of Brandie’s shirt could bring a whole new fan base to soccer.

    Sure, many of those fans would have been the creepy guys that eat dinner at the strip club, but at this point I’m thinking soccer will be grateful for even these guys.

    Unfortunately, what was revealed when Brandi’s shirt came over her head was a sports bra, not a nice pair of firm athletic tata’s.

    Perhaps my perverted mind is the only one that would think a woman would run all over the place for 90 minutes while her rack flapped free, but if you’re going to rip your shirt off, do it to expose SOMETHING!

    So while men took the opportunity to catch a peak of the sports bra, it wasn’t enough to generate the interest needed to watch another game.

    Men can watch girls in sports bra’s jog down the street any day of the week.

    It’s the kids though that suffered the most.

    Soccer mom’s were mortified that there innocent little boys were exposed to such filth.

    In the mind of a soccer mom, this was outright porn! She might as well have been standing there ass naked, with somebody’s recently expended load drizzling out of her mouth.

    Now, not even soccer moms would allow their children to watch any international soccer what-so-ever, for fear that next they might be witness to some Brit ass-pounding a Spice Girl to celebrate a goal.

  27. AndyF says:

    Hey, did all of you HIOers know that the Habs will face more pressure next season? Apparent, that the hot news today! ;-)

  28. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …second;

    ‘5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer; Soccer in North America is a “Mom” sport’

    As soon as the moniker of “soccer mom” was created, all hope of soccer every becoming meaningful in the United States and Canada ceased to exist.

    There is no other way to drive exuberant young males trying to impress girls away than to have them playing a game that’s name is directly associated with suburban housewives.

    To show you how damaging this actually is, just look what happened to the sport of hockey after Sarah Palin referred to herself as a “hockey mom.”

    Hockey is about the toughest damn sport in the world, kind of like MMA on the ice, except they get to carry sticks with them.

    Despite this, the sport was set back 50 years in the US when Palin made her little quip. Don’t believe me? Here’s the proof…they’re playing games outside now!

    Some may say it’s a marketing thing, but the fact is, even hockey has had to work hard to regain the tough guy image, resorting to playing outside in the dead of fucking winter just to prove they’re REAL men.

    Soccer doesn’t have the same tradition of toughness as hockey.

    The thought of the team showing up in mom’s minivan does nothing to further the cause.

    Throw in all the mom’s who coach, thinking soccer is a game that “soccer mom’s” invented, and what you have is a breed of players who are more interested in making sure their socks match their headbands than they do in playing the game.

    While a few manage to succeed through sheer intestinal fortitude, the majority that emerge from mom leagues and keep playing the game only do so after deciding they enjoy their soccer games more than their ballet classes.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Soccer was just one of several things that Ms Palin set back 50 years, including — most obviously — the GOP, but also geography, women in politics, and being an idiot (although there are plenty in public life who soldier bravely on, refusing to allow their lack of brains to impede their drive to prominence, power, acceptance and popularity).

  29. Timo says:

    Aussies should try some rugby moves.

  30. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …first;

    5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer; ‘We Don’t Know Any Songs’

    …Watch any soccer game not being played in North America, and you will surely notice the background track of fans loudly singing, chanting, and generally having a giant party in the stands.

    This doesn’t happen just during important junctures of the game…it is nonstop.

    The rest of the world has learned that if you show up and just sit there and watch the game, the boredom will drive you to pluck out your own eyeballs to relieve the pain of watching.

    By contrast, as an English friend of mine once brought to my attention, the only thing North American fans can do in unison is chant “U-S-A”, Go Canada ! or “DE-FENSE”.

    This lack of repertoire severely hampers our ability to actually enjoy attending a soccer game. And god knows there’s no joy in actually watching the damn thing!

    In a sport where a goal is scored about as often as a grand slam is hit in baseball, there is A LOT of down time between moments of excitement. Without some other activity to keep things interesting, the experience can be akin to gathering to watch a chess match.

  31. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …this, and a few of My following posts will be on the theme ‘5 Reasons North Americans Dislike Soccer’ (quoted from a blog):

    …The World Cup is in full swing…why doesn’t North America care? The rest of the world seems to find the game wildly exciting, yet most North Americans are indifferent at best, and down right loathe the game at worst. So why is that? Here are a few theories.

    …1); The game isn’t played on a field dumbass…it’s “the pitch”

    …2); Goalies play hockey. The guy in front of the net picking his nose for most of the match is the “keeper”

    …3); If Quasimodo were a professional soccer player in Europe, even he would have a chance at a supermodel

    • marv1840 says:

      There are a few reasons soccer is not acceptable as a major league sport in North America:
      1) unlike hockey, most of the action in play is in the mid-field, with few scoring opportunities in the game. Many games end 1-0 or 1-1. There is not enough scoring to generate interest.
      2) You see guys with dull uniforms and bare ugly legs. The major league sports have the players with colorful uniforms.
      3) There are no commercial time outs and that is poison in North America to get sponsors who would want the viewers to have breaks to watch their ads.
      4) A soccer game is 90 minutes. That is too long for a game with only one or two goals scored. It is dull and boring for the viewer. Change the game to 60 minutes- the standards for hockey, football (48 minutes for basketball) and maybe you will have open.
      But at this point, compared to hockey and football, soccer is as exciting as watching paint dry and won’t succeed in Canada or the USA, except for new immigrants, until they start watching hockey and football

  32. 1010 says:

    Jeesh. I`d forgot about that socceroos nickname. It sounds so…. goofy.

  33. JUST ME says:

    As much as i care about soccer , i understand that losing 5-1 is as humiliating as P.K. being benched in MTL right ?

    Spain being one of the favorites then it will again look like MTL in the streets after a playoff win right ?

    O.K so this was my best shot at looking excited about it…

  34. 1010 says:

    With Spain coming out of the gate like yesterdays`news this looks like an opportunity for Chile and the Aussies. This could be a great match.

  35. Maritime Ronn says:

    Several trade rumors being tossed around lately.
    One is interesting.

    Plekanec for Keith Yandle from Phoenix.
    A Top 6 for a Top 4 (Habs may need to add assets..)

    For some who may not know, Yandle is a gem and somewhat unknown playing in Phoenix.
    His 53 points last year tied him with….PK Subban.

    Contracts for those two?
    Basically the same…and the ‘Yotes desperately need a C man

  36. Maritime Ronn says:

    3141

    Kind of like poster CJ.
    Respect the Game of Soccer (Football), but have absolutely NO interest.
    Nothing beats NFL/NHL….or for a snooze factor, MLB.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Can’t stand Soccer but there is a Table of Dutch gals at the Saloon that have to drink a shot for each Holland goal. They are Hammered, so we sent over another round. They like us now. Saludos!

  37. CH Marshall says:

    LMAO Torres how could you miss that!?!?

  38. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Wow.

  39. Timo says:

    Holy crap… 6 goals in soccer game?

  40. CH Marshall says:

    Wow Spain. Epic collapse.

  41. CH Marshall says:

    Wow. Excellent passing and control there. Dutch have to watch out though, the Spanish machine can get going here

  42. Timo says:

    So with Gallant possibly gone, who will be the offensive coach and manage PP? Mathew Darche?

  43. PK says:

    Even if you don’t follow soccer, that first half goal by the Dutch is a thing of beauty. Kinda like PK’s outlet pass that led to Bourque’s early first period goal in the playoffs.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  44. PK says:

    After all the football today, (soccer, if you will), we hopefully
    see the last game of this hockey season!

    Onward to the NHL Draft, Free Agency and a new thread (?).

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  45. P.T. Borough says:

    If Habs are looking to replace Parros this offseason, so Prust isn’t left with heavy weights night in and night out, how does a straight swap of Bourque ($3.3M) for Bordeleau ($1M) from the Avs sound? Cap savings for new deals needed and a hometown lad who can really go gets to come home.

  46. mdp2011 says:

    Here you go, actual Habs news, or gossip, take your pick.

    steve simmons ‏@simmonssteve 37s
    Gerard Gallant not necessarily Dan Bylsma is being favoured by sources as next coach of the Florida Panthers. Will be announced next week

  47. EL_PRESEDENTE says:

    does anyone know if that genius coach MT has been extended yet? you know he will be snapped up in an instant by another team with his skill set.

    If you are crazy, you can be discharged from the army. But you have to apply for the discharge, and applying demonstrates that you are not crazy. As a result, you will not be discharged.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Isn’t that the original Catch-22?

    • HabsWin-nipeg says:

      Sigh. I get so tired of this stuff. The Habs finished with 100 points, 3rd in their division, 4th in their conference, and 9th overall – all while most pundits picked them to barely make or miss the playoffs. They swept Tampa Bay (Ben Bishop blah-blah-blah…they still swept them while negating TB’s offense for the most part), and beat Boston before bowing to the Rangers with an AHL call-up in net. But MT is a terrible coach.

      Could someone else have done better? Maybe, but they may have done worse as well. Is MT stubborn in his use of veterans? Yes. Does he make some moves that we all question? Yes. But guess what – we have not heard one statement from any Habs player saying they don’t want to come back next year (aside from Vanek who has always maintained he would try Free Agency). In fact, most have stated that they would like to come back. I’ll stop now before I say/type something stupid – just needed to vent.

  48. Hobie says:

    July 1st is coming up boys! Bergevin has picked up Prust, Murray and Parros in years past! What muscle is he going to pickup this year?

    Have a great weekend everyone!

  49. Timo says:

    Understatement of the day (about a spanish player dropping like he was shot): “he has a reputation of being a bit theatrical at times”.

  50. Cal says:

    For any that missed this (all 5 of you), you can catch
    Ella and Satchmo performing Summertime here:http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

    Have a great last night of hockey everyone!

  51. Maritime Ronn says:

    3088
    Doing my duty
    Just off an airplane

  52. UKRAINIANhab says:

    This Thread has been up forever and I have yet to watch the show…

    Mike Boone looks like the turtle thing from never ending story, not that there is anything wrong with that :)

    …I gather the refs were bad in the Cameroon Mexico game? On to this ESP vs NED game, hopefully its attacking football!

  53. Timo says:

    My wish list for today is Kings ending this. Go Kings!!! Please.

  54. Caesar says:

    @Dunboyne Mike

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. Long time lover of that play. Not something you see very often on a sports site. Speaking of which the comments are all over the place since we began some 3000 comments ago . This thread is a classic.
    Shakespeare / disco / Lafleur / World cup / elections / Harper/ and some hockey talk.

    RW is probably trending on twitter we’ve mentioned him so much

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Ave!
      JC was my first, Grade 8. No clue what was going on until teacher brought in BBC radio recordings. BOOM!

      Now I (try to) teach Shakespeare.

      (Indeed, HIO is pretty special!)

      • Cal says:

        To thine own self be true.

        It appears to me that The Bard wrote down the most courteous of speech, for we speak it still
        And it is no worse for wear.
        Ah, spare me your arrows,
        For I am made of sterner stuff than this.

  55. HabinBurlington says:

    Have to believe Ryan White is starting to get nervous…..

  56. Captain aHab says:

    My favourite comment from an elections analyst last night: Hudak lost his bet of running on honesty and frankness.

    I guess he should have done what all politicians do instead and lie baby lie!!!!

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    Prepare to be boarded!!

    • frontenac1 says:

      My Greens went from 2.6% to 5% of the vote!! Viva La Revolucion! Saludos!

    • Habfan17 says:

      He did what most politicians do, he never answered a question. That is why he didn’t lie, or tell the truth! His only answer to any question, was ” go to my website! millionjobs.ca” This seemed t be an election of who I want the least in power!

      Habfan17

    • Coach K says:

      A wise man once said, “you get the government you deserve”…

      Actually Hudak lost be cause he claimed he could create 1,000,000 jobs while gutting and cutting 100,000 others. Only it wasn’t really 1,000,000 when you did some very basic math.

      I’m guessing the electorate didn’t trust his job creation numbers so there was no way they were ever going to trust him with the provincial economy. It would appear that the math skills of the voters surpassed his and they didn’t appreciate Hudak attempting to insult their collective intelligence.

      We may not have the best education system but just maybe he shouldn’t have been so quick to pull the trigger on all those math teachers…seems he could have used the help lol!

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  57. Captain aHab says:

    The trouble for Kathleen Wynne now is that she actually has to consider doing everything she promised with a $12.5B hole. Her other problem is that she can’t do what Couillard did and say that the budget the previous government left her is way worse than she thought.

    Methinks we’ll see some subtle and not so subtle backtracking soon. Either that or she’ll just spend the province into insolvency.

    —————-
    Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Maksimir says:

      Just wait until she goes after those public service jobs to save money and get into it with the Teacher’s union again…

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Save the money!
        Lay off all the teachers! we are an over educated people anyway!

        • Cal says:

          It’s a tough thing when bad teachers can’t be fired because of their union.
          It’s the same thing here in Quebec with the blue collar workers. A couple years ago, a picture of 4 of these guys sleeping in their truck made the rounds in the media. Not a one of them was reprimanded, let alone let go.
          If my boss found me asleep at my desk, I’d be nuked so fast I’d glow for months.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Cal, be careful what you say about unions…… lots of folks around here are represented by those honest folk who only care about their members.

          • Captain aHab says:

            Speaking of which Cal, could you come to my office please? We need to talk about your at-work ibternet usage.

            —————-
            Prepare to be boarded!!

          • Ian Cobb says:

            I buy it completely Cal. Only a majority Gov. (with balls) could rid themselves of the parasites among us.
            The bad part about unions for sure. But the good representation unions are needed to control the corporate greed as well. Got to have balance and fair play.

          • Cal says:

            @ Ahab,

            Dang! Foiled again!

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Being in debt,!
      means someone else is paying for the ride, at further cost!! to us.

      • Captain aHab says:

        Being in debt is OK as long as you are paying it down. It’s that second part most governments seem to have forgotten about…..

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        Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Cal says:

      How is it that with all the negativity surrounding the campaign that Wynn won?

      • Captain aHab says:

        It’s because of that thing growing on the side of Hudak’s face. I mean what is that?

        All kidding aside, him making the claim that he would create $1M jobs and slash 100,000 civil servants turned the focus to him instead of Wynne. That was a bad mistake.

        —————-
        Prepare to be boarded!!

        • Cal says:

          I’ll go a little out on a limb. It seems to me when the Tories are in power in Ottawa, the Liberals in Quebec and Ontario tend to hold office (aside from that Quebec Liberal scandal that caused a minority burp for the PQ).

          • Captain aHab says:

            Could be but both the PQ and Hudak made tactical errors leading up to their last elections.

            —————-
            Prepare to be boarded!!

        • UKRAINIANhab says:

          Yep! Why didn’t he just shut up… I still voted PC but Hudak’s campaign was pretty bad….

  58. shiram says:

    Timonen remains a Flyers.

    Philadelphia FlyersVerified account ‏@NHLFlyers

    Kimmo Timonen has signed a one-year contract extension for his 8th season with the #Flyers → http://nhlflye.rs/1qH7Bj7 pic.twitter.com/pAjEYmcU7U

  59. Trollhunter says:

    Any news on where jiri sekac is gonna sign? Get Pleky to give him a call…

  60. D Man says:

    Many, many years ago when I was a student at McMaster, a sure way to get some sleep was to try and study. Now if I can’t sleep I turn on a soccer game.

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  61. DipsyDoodler says:

    Any good rumours?

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Kim Kardashian to purchase San Jose Sharks, invoke powers whereby she can assign herself the captaincy, and then play centre on the No. 1 line.

      All I got.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Apologies. Was a bit misdirected by the word “good” in your question.

    • Cal says:

      Harper’s resigning today?

    • Trollhunter says:

      Jiri Sekac is ready to make the jump to the nhl. Could be good for the Habs. 6`2 “ 190 left winger had a good year in the khl. 22 years old.
      Bob McKenzie: And there’s another free agent we should keep our eye on who most people haven’t heard of: a 22-year-old Czech by the name of Jiri Sekac. He went through the NHL Drafts and never got picked up. He was once cut by the Peterborough Petes but he had a strong year in the KHL playing for the Prague team. Right now he has more than a dozen firm offers on a max entry-level deal for two years. He’s expected over the next couple of days to make up his mind as to which team. This is a guy who is in great demand. He’s a 6’2, 190 pound left winger who many believe is ready to step in NHL-ready.

      S G

    • habsr4ever says:

      Habs are close to signing Markov. Rumblings are two years times $6 M. Would rather pay him $5 M but for two years BOTH sides are giving up something as Marky would get $6 times 3 -4 years on the open market.
      Weaver wants $2 M times 3. Not sure I would go to three years for him or $2 M……hopefully they can pay him Murray or Bouillon money of $1.5 M – heck I would give him a two year deal no problem….we need Right handed experienced D.
      Subban – no idea – haven’t heard anything. I am thinking 8 times $7.5 M will get it done. He knows he has to leave some cap space to fill out the rest of the roster so he can win a cup too….besides – he isn’t worth more than Doughty or Weber (yes these deals were signed earlier and now the cap is going up but still – if he gets paid more than them he knows there is a target on his back).
      Gionta – sheesh…..I hope we let him go and get some size….we have enough leaders on this team…..Gionta can’t score to save his life…..get younger, cheaper, FASTER, BIGGER…..as much as I love his heart – we need to say bye bye to Brian……let him go home to Jersey and his brother….happy ending for both of us. Getting worried we are going to sign him again per the rumors for 2 years times $2.5 M.
      Habs will not trade Plekanec.
      Habs will trade Bourque to the Avs……I can see this heating up again….Avs lost in round one – they know they need some more playoff guys….and Bourque is da man come the post season. the time to unload him is definitely now. Get a second rounder (we need one since we traded one away for Vanek) and give us some cap space. I hope we go after Ott and Moulson.
      Going to be an interesting couple of weeks.

  62. adamkennelly says:

    anyone watching Kaymer destroy Pinehurst #2? I know its only Friday but he has quite a huge lead.

  63. Habilis says:

    This made me laugh. TSN does an “insider trading” article every day where they report rumors and what not. From today’s article:

    ‘Brodeur, however, didn’t sound interested in playing in his hometown of Montreal. “Montreal would be tough,” he explained to The Record.

    “For me, I’m so used to being in the states and playing in the type of markets I’m used to playing in. But, again, I don’t know. That’s something that when we come to that bridge, we’ll go over it. But it’s something that, put it this way, they’re not too much on my radar.”‘

    Seriously, what planet does this man live on? Why would we want to DOWNGRADE our goaltending? Because that’s what it would mean. IMHO, Tokarski and Budaj are way better backup options than Fatty McLoudmouth is at this point in his career.

    He is ruining his legacy by hanging on like this. Just retire already.

    • CH Marshall says:

      I know it’s just sad that he keeps lingering and lingering on. Really, he’s had a spectacular career, and he should give the young up and comers a shot.

  64. Strummer says:

    So Vanek has left the building and Gionta is staying.

    Oh the humanity! ( In contination of a theme)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEpLncBG_Nw

    ____________________________________________________
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  65. Cal says:

    You guys and gals ever get the feeling that the Flyers have a bit of a cavalier attitude towards Lecavalier’s contract?

  66. Mavid ® says:

    116

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  67. Captain aHab says:

    Habs will, or will not, trade Pleks (e5).

    —————-
    Prepare to be boarded!!

  68. Habfan17 says:

    So…Philly is looking to move LeCavalier! I knew it was dumb to give him 5 years! Glad Bergevin did not do it!!

    Habfan17

  69. Old Bald Bird says:

    Engels with Ten Notes. Since few will click, here’s one point (below). (Amazing that on the whole Gazette staff, there’s not one person able to contribute a new post. Whoever is away on hols, there’s got to be someone left at home.)

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eric-Engels/10-Notes-on-Habs-SeasonOffseason/82/60589

    6) Say the Habs don’t replace Bourque in trading him. Milan Michalek is a player that would love to be a Montreal Canadien. He trains here in the summers, and knows what playing here is about. He’s had his inconsistencies, and his injury history is concerning. But he’s got a phenomenal shot, and a pretty good skating stride. He’s only two seasons removed from a 35-goal campaign and was relatively healthy last year, appearing in 81 games.

    • CJ says:

      Good afternoon OBB.

      I have raised Michalek’s name on a few occassions. I have watched him live on a number of occassions over the past few years and will say that there is not a bigger boom or bust UFA on the market this season.

      I would not be surprised if Michalek can once again reach 30-35 goals, however I would also not be surprised if he was re-injured and missed the season. If he proves that he can continue to stay healthy, then he would certainly be worth the investment of a 3 year contract at $4.5 million annually. Keep in mind, Ottawa has reportedly passed on Hemsky because they can not meet his salary demands which are reported to be $5.5 million. They see Michalek as a cheaper alternative and are reportedly negotiating an extension. If Michalek makes it to July 1, he will not resign in Ottawa as better offers will be made available.

    • shiram says:

      Prust gets no surgery this summer was a shocker.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Well, Michalek could bring a few things to MTL:

      Size – yep;
      Speed – yep;
      Grit & tenacity – not so much.

      He’s a useful player and you can put him down for around 20 goals pretty much every year. If you got him for Bourque type money and he was motivated to play for the Habs, he might be worth considering.

    • bwoar says:

      As a Bourque replacement, maybe. That good season Engels references, 2011-12, was an outlier for him over the past 5 years. Sure he DID perform that way with the Sharks but has only had that one season with Ottawa that stands out. He’s good for 40 points so it really depends what kind of contract he’s looking for. He made 6M last year with a 4.33M cap hit to end his contract. I wouldn’t care to sign him for more than 4M, unless there was no better option.

  70. Old Bald Bird says:

    @Mike Dunboyne: posted this waaay below where no one will probably ever notice. :)

    But I am/was a teacher!

    Storefront titles don’t require standard essay-style English IMO.

    So there.

    :!:

  71. Caesar says:

    My pile on to the Flower comments below….

    The disco album…..Look it up if you don’t remember


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