Habs GM Bergevin’s hot seat grows warmer by the day | HI/O Show

On this week’s show, our panel — The Gazette’s Stu Cowan, Pat Hickey and Jack Todd, along with TSN 690 radio host Chris Nilan — discusses general manager Marc Bergevin’s efforts to restock the Canadiens as well as these topics:

Winger Alexander Radulov reportedly wants a six year, $42-million contract. Would you give it to him?

Should Bergevin consider trading goalie Carey Price, who can become an unrestricted free agent next July? If not, what should his new contract be?

Defenceman Andrei Markov is reportedly seeking a two year, $12-million deal. Would you re-sign him?

Does forward Alex Galchenyuk have a future in Montreal and, if so, what can we expect from him?

762 Comments

  1. Lord Stanley of Surrey says:

    Subject matter not too optimistic, but great to listen to Stu, Chris, Jack and Pat ‘Hot Stove’ on the Habs.

    Leave out the unnecessary and irritating Suss and the nominal female, and ‘The HIO Show’ is a must watch for a Habs’ Fan.

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    FREE TIMO!!! …Michael (Timo) had his negative tongue-in-cheek shtick in HIO, but He never was profane and should never have been banned from HIO. If there is any discretion and fair-mindness within the powers that be behind the scenes of HIO, TIMO’s ban should be rescinded immediately. Thank you.

  2. bmcalig says:

    Okay everyone, we all had our bitching sessions. Now let’s talk reality. MB just does not have the assets to really do any serious trading. The only quality asset we had was Sergachev. We used him to get Drouin. Now we have absolutely nothing that other teams want. So tell me how are we to get those assets if we have nothing to offer. The problem is we have not drafted well, nor have we developed well. Our AHL team has done absolutely zero for the big club. When was the last time we had a legitimate talent come up from the AHL team. And then MB gives SL another contract, WHY? He doesn’t develop talent, he ruins talent and yet we keep him. So we have no farm system, we have no prospects, and we are getting older. So then we ask why isn’t MB improving this team? It is because the cupboard is bare due to poor overall management. This will take years to fix, and it will be painful. We will need to be bottom dwellers for years to have the opportunity to draft some real talent. So like I said, years in the waiting and painful before we become a competitive team again

  3. Habnormal says:

    He needed someone to replace
    Flynn I suppose

  4. CJinBK says:

    Habs sign two 26-year-old centers in Byron Froese and Peter Holland. For the Rocket and 4th line callup duty.

  5. BeareFacts says:

    Alzner was 5th on the Caps in Time On Ice/Game by the end of last season. He’s going to play big minutes alongside Weber? No thanks.

  6. bwoar says:

    This is good time to say I have f’n piles and piles of beer here, from Winnipeg’s absolutely best brewery, Torque Brewing Co.

    If you’re in the Peg don’t miss visiting their taproom, these guys make fine, fine beer, including the best stout in NA hands down and probably the tastiest wheat beer too.

  7. on2ndthought says:

    Oh damn. NSH is going to get Radulov. This place is going to BLOW!!!

  8. The ice ghost says:

    Does Bergevin have to present a business plan to Mr. Molson? “This is the team I am going to build.”

    Flying Frenchmen?
    New Jersey Devils circa 2000?

    Who are we? Is there no accountability? Jamie Benn? Alzner?

    You can go to Canadian Tire and buy orange cones, dude. They’re cheaper.

    We could be sitting here with PK Subban, Sergachev, Drouin and a pick) (for Patches) and traded Price for Getzlaf straight up.

    Now we are swirling around the bowl. Sorry to be crude. As someone else posted I think, I am not even mad anymore. I am just shaking my head asking WTF is he doing? Does he even know? He has some bizarre loyalty for journeyman 4/5/6 D. I’m astonished he didn’t go after Phaneuf, the poster boy for orange cones.

    Is anyone happy with ANY of this?

    Happy 150, guys. Sigh.

  9. CJinBK says:

    @PierreVLeBrun
    4 minutes ago
    I believe Montreal and Dallas competing on Radulov right now….

  10. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I have a bad feeling MB will over-pay Rads and then flip Chucky for Duchene.

  11. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Bonino going to Nashville. Not surprised. Mike Fisher probably retiring. If Bonino turns into a 2nd liner, Nashville should return to the Cup final.

  12. Habby_Haberton says:

    Alzner terms in MTL: 5 x $4.625M.

  13. on2ndthought says:

    The name of the game is not shot suppression or goals scored. It is scoring more goals than allowing. Two ways to do that. Who was 12th in the league at GA60?

    http://bit.ly/2scVpNZ

    BTW, two other WSH D in the top 20 were paired with Alzner for big portions of last year.

    • RightNyder says:

      If virtually every TV talking head points at the way the game is going and the relative value of defensive defencemen – and it’s diametrically opposed to the way your GM appears to be constructing his team – are you not a tad concerned?

    • The_Rocket_Returns says:

      If a guy gives up a ton of high-danger scoring chances but not many goals, the most likely explanation is that his goalie bailed him out.

      So Alzner should be a perfect fit in Montreal.

      … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

    • CJinBK says:

      Across the board, with this batch of “advanced” stats, Alzner and Markov are almost identical.

      Markov had more goals and assists, for 22 total points. 12 of those points were in his 157:15 of power play time. Over 62 games.

      Alzner had 12 total points. 0 of those were in his 3:48 of power play time. Over 82 games.

      Markov, in his 96:03 of penalty kill, was on for 10 goals against.

      Alzner, in his 244:33 of penalty kill, was on for 19 goals against.

      Alzner is a defensive defenseman. Markov is an offensive defenseman, slowing down, and in the twilight of his career.

      I’m perfectly willing to give Karl Alzner a chance to grow on me.

  14. Habby_Haberton says:

    Jets sign Kulikov for 3 x 4.3
    Thats the going rate for big Defensive Dmen

  15. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I am not upset. Don’t have high expectations anymore (happened after missing out on Stamkos last season).

    However…if Alzner got an NMC, I will be livid.

  16. Led says:

    MB should trade for Emelin and complete the circle of stupidity.

  17. bwoar says:

    sorry Rev, Kulikov to the Jets.

    Must by something really wrong with Tyler Myers, dammit

    • Le Revenant says:

      Yeah, there was no man-crush there, just that I thought he might be a solution for our LD situation, how he’s a young guy still and maybe he could produce up to the potential that was once seen in him. And he would come cheap on a short-ish deal.

  18. RightNyder says:

    David Schlemko had more points than Alzner despite playing 20 fewer games and three fewer minutes per game.

    • The_Rocket_Returns says:

      Yep. But Alzner is being paid twice as much, so it doesn’t matter if Schlemko turns into Erik Karlsson. Alzner’s going to get the big minutes.

      … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

  19. Gerry Pigeon says:

    I feel like I learned something elemental the past few days, reading the insights of fellow posters.

    Thanks to those that posted stats and analysis about how our farm system was pretty bare five years ago, and has been upgraded since.

    With MB dealing from a position of weakness, it’s so apparent that when FA signing day arrives each year, it’s a TWO WAY dance, where the best players choose the teams they want to dance with, and the worst players take advantage of the desperate teams. I will leave it up to posters to decide where Alzner and our Habs fit on this continuum.

    So while MB is obviously consumed with running around filling holes, it’s really a lesson that team’s can ONLY be built from drafting and development.

    Watching our team get old, with nothing coming from the farm to help out, watching MB get held over the proverbial barrel by Radu and Markov, it becomes crystal clear this type of idiocy wouldn’t happen if we had a farm system that was spitting out good young players faster than we could find space for them on the big club. Guys like Radu and Markov would have already been jettisoned if that was the case, replaced by younger and cheaper talent. Even in the days before the salary cap, when teams like the Leafs, Rangers, and Flyers tried to buy their good teams, more often than not, it didn’t mean a Stanley Cup.

    I’m starting to realize that MB isn’t a bad GM because he’s not signing Radu and Marky, not trading for Draisatl and Fowler. He’s a GM that’s still trying to replenish his farm system, so he can deal from a position of strength instead of weakness. Once the drafting and development bear lots of fruit, we can see a GM that’s suddenly much more competent on the trade and FA front, as he has the luxuries of time and assets to help him make good deals for the club, as opposed to being held up for ransom by old guys like Marky and Radu, and desperately filling holes with the likes of Karl Alzner.

    So the five year GM plan? B.S. Takes five years just to replenish the farm system, likely close to another five to really make it hum. We’re about to get worse before we get better again…

    • RightNyder says:

      If you replenish the dep on the farm but let the solid core erode at the same time, is that moving forward?

    • The ice ghost says:

      Gerry, I don’t think we have ever agreed on anything, but I respect your serious post and the time you put into it. I read the whole thing before punching a wall. 🙂

      My question is, WTF has Bergie been doing for 5 years? Our deficiencies were obvious 5 years ago.

      Secondly, what is Bergie’s plan? Are his building the flying Frenchmen? Is he building the Peoria Puds? If we knew that we could evaluate each move and understand. “Okay, I don’t like this player much but I understand, we need him until Sergachev gets more experience.”

      Or. “Wow, this doesn’t fit the plan. Maybe’s he going to make a 3 way trade at the deadline.”

      Something!

      If you know what MB’s plan is, kindly share. Because I don’t see it, and I’ve never seen it posted by our house studs.

      Maybe Timo knows.

      The only ‘plan’ I’ve seen is ride Price like a rented mule until he drops, and get rid of the black guy.

      To me, that ain’t no plan.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:

        Yup, I don’t think we’ve agreed on much in the past. But I appreciate you reading my post and replying.

        Like you, I’m just an avid Habs fan with no inside information, other than the tidbits I glean from this and other sports sites. I have no idea what MB’s plan is. From where I sit, I think MT’s viewpoint helped shape the plan for far too long, and now MB/CJ are revising that plan as we speak. Not exactly encouraging, but from the stats posted by B if I remember correctly, the farm club depth is improving, if not yet outstanding.

        I am trying to be patient. Yes, that’s hilarious, given my posts over the years, including my Trade Carey posts all last year. In a way, even with Carey likely to eat up too much of the cap over the next 8 years, Carey is the biggest band-aid of all, to hold this team together while MB and Timmins try to rebuild it from the ground up.

        Pens and Hawks built from extended futility, and the resultant access to generational talents like Sid, Geno, Toews, and Kane. Jets, Leafs, and Oil headed in the same direction now. Habs might end up a lot worse for an uncomfortably long time, before they get much better. Or maybe they can tread water, and through shrewd drafting and development, and a bit of luck, end up like Nashville, making a charge, without ever having to bottom dwell for a long time.

        Sorry, I’ve got no answers, just guesses and observations. I’d be surprised if the Habs can tread water the next few years and then rise to the upper echelon. I think it’s more likely we fall soon, and hopefully use that time well to stockpile talent, so the inevitable rise brings the Cup back where it belongs. And I hope it happens soon enough for me to see! 🙂

    • The_Rocket_Returns says:

      But the farm system isn’t replenished. There are no high-end talents in it, just a handful of could-be-decent guys. After five years there’s no more to show than when Bergie arrived.

      … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

  20. Le Revenant says:

    Karl Alzner is such an incomprehensible decision to me, of what we needed and where we needed to spend our money, it boggles my mind. I thought allowing Alexei Emelin to be claimed by the Canutes of Gold, despite his singular skills, was a sign o’ the times, that our defence was going the ‘More Petry, Less (Douglas) Murray’ route.

    It’s so baffling to me that I’m actually questioning myself, questioning whether I’m wrong, which astounds me some more.

    “Well, if so many people voted for him, maybe…”

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    Liberate Alex Galchenyuk, CH’s Great Middle Hope! Occupy Claude Julien’s office!

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/


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