“Big Mo” joins the show

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Former Canadien Sergio Momesso joins The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs and sports editor Stu Cowan on this week’s HIO Show.

Among the topics discussed: Michel Therrien’s handling of P.K. Subban, the benching of David Desharnais, what it’s like being a local boy like Michael Bournival playing for the Habs, the diference between current GM Marc Bergevin and former GM Pierre Gauthier, as well as one of Momesso’s favourite Chris Nilan stories from when they were teammates.

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  1. krob1000 says:

    Blackhawks fourth line had Frolik-Kruger and someone,
    Wings had Draper and Maltby. I think the HAbs would be better off spreading the grit throughout the lineup…this myth of needing a crash and bang 4th line is not a necessity. The BRuins had Chris Kelly and Daniel Paille on their fourht…
    Why dot he Habs need a 4th line full of grinders…the extrra scoring depth andability to trust those guys in all situations would be more valuable wouldn;t it?

    • habs-hampton says:

      it’s kind of a tricky balancing act in the salary cap era. Ideally you don’t want to spend more than $3M on your 4th line. If they play really well and start scoring, then they want raises (cause they tend to be on 1-year deals), so then you can’t afford them anymore.

      • krob1000 says:

        Already have 11 or 12 top nine forwards..my point is spread out Mone and Prust when healthy
        this is one example (in no particular order)
        Pleks-Gio-Moen, dd-Patches-Bourque, Galchenyuk-Eller-Prust, Bournival-Briere-Gallagher …there are tons of options…but the point is there are 12 top nine guys onthe team so why decide before the game to dress a line in a form that will not be a threat to score

        • habs-hampton says:

          It’s a little like when we got Laraque. He was there to fight, but couldn’t find a partner, so he was just taking up a roster spot that could be filled by a real player.

          I actually don’t mind White cause he’s good on faceoffs and can kill penalties.

  2. Lafleurguy says:

    A little late for the Game Day Thread. Team always wins whenever I’m FIRST! to post.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  3. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS

    1. Who is the most improved Hab so far this year?
    2. Who is the most over-rated Hab?
    3. Who is the most under-appreciated Hab?
    4. In the ‘Peg, Evander Kane – a young, awesome power forward – was just a healthy scratch. If they wanted two good players, is there a combination of one from column A and one from column B you could live with in a trade:
    A. Patches, Eller, Gallagher
    B. Tinordi, Bealieu, Pateryn
    5. Who’s doing a better job: Therrien or Bergevin?

    SD
    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  4. Habcouver says:

    A question for Sergio fans… did he score on his first shot, first shift with the Habs? Either him, or was it Shayne Corson?

    Waiting patiently for #25

  5. Mattyleg says:

    I wish there was a suitable term to describe tonight’s game, wherein we will gauge, or ‘measure’ ourselves against the opposition, as though using some kind of instrument such as a tape, or stick.

    Gosh, were I only better with the languages…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  6. habsfan0 says:

    New Rob Ford video released.
    Makes the other one seem tame in comparison.

    This could be a series of tapes: “Rob Ford’s Greatest Hits”
    It could give “Don Cherry’s Greatest Hits” a run for its money.

  7. Walmyr says:

    “Updated Poll Question:”

    From what you’ve seen from the Canadiens so far this season, CONSIDERING THEY ARE HEALTHY do you think they are a playoff team?

    (…better this way…)

  8. habsguru says:

    I think Bergy wants to bring back 1 or 2 Kostityns to eleviate the pressure from the MT PK saga

    • habcertain says:

      the stats don’t back Therrien’s usage of PK, it is clear our clown coach is hard headed, stubborn and plainly not a very good coach, all of which was validated his first 2 go-arounds. starting to worry about MB’s decision-making abilities now.

  9. Sportfan says:

    How nice would it be to have a David Backes on our team! Not so fun fact he was drafted in the second round of 2003 that amazing draft year, that round we took Corey Urquhart, Backes Shea Weber and Partice Bergeron among drafted after we picked Urquhart

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  10. habsguru says:

    if DD comes out to his old form of 30 goals, I vow to go one full day without drinking. HOWEVER, i think my liver will see it’s typical penalty kill time.

  11. habsfan0 says:

    It will be very interesting to see how DD plays tonight after his 1 game banishment to the press box.

    Will we see the DD of old,or merely an old DD?

  12. Habitforming says:

    Does anyone have a link to the video from 24CH with Therrien reaming out PK?

  13. ajk025 says:

    Question for you all: All this talk about PK and Carey making Team Canada, what do you guys think the chances of Max Pac and Chucky making Team USA?

    Right now, I would say that Max Pac is not a lock but close to it, and Chucky is a long shot.

    What are your thoughts?

  14. krob1000 says:

    I would love to see a correlation done between winning in Junior or at other levels and success in the NHL. We all know teams covet guys with NHL playoff experience and cup experience and when I looka ts omeone like Gionta, MOen or even guys like PLeks, Markov, Gomez when he was here,etc I see guys who have seen waht it takes to get deep into the playoffs. This is why I was enthused to see sso many guys working so hard to keep pucks to the outside and to bloack shots. That ot me is a playoff mentality and when that becomes habitual you have success. Winning is habit. Decision making ability , selflessness, character, are what separate good players and team from bad players and teams and move teams across the fineline of parity in the NHL.

  15. jon514 says:

    There are so many great and strangely under-achieving players on the Flyers. Obviously certain players are un-moveable, but if I was Bergevin, I would be calling about Simmonds, Hartnell and Couturier every day. Gritty forwards with size. You could probably just send back picks cause they are tanking!

  16. krob1000 says:

    I have posted this before with litle to no rsponse but I would like to know why at an NHL level teams do not adjust their systems more often..ie shift to shift or very few minutes or based on line htey are matched against etc. I think of basketball where a tam runs a full court press, one time up the floor they play man and then next thing you knw they go into a zone,etc,etc. Keep the looks different and dictate the tempo and style of the game.

    I know this is easily possible and there must be some downside to it but it just seems logical to me to vary things. Mixing up forechecks and in game adjsutments only seem to happen in large increments in hockey…why is that? Iget it at young ages as it is hard enough to teach one system but I find it hard to believe these guys are not smart enough to adapt.

    • habsguru says:

      there is a very big difference between smart, and hockey smart. it’s hard for guys to gel under one system, let alone multiple systems. you see it simplified time and time again by the D working together ie. Georges Tinordi. you learn tendancies of your wingers within your system, therefore system changes, tendancies change. think of every early olympic game, stars everywhere looking like timbits hockey.

      • krob1000 says:

        See this is where I disagree….because I think if you see the tendencies then so does the opposition (have you noticed the pressure on Pk just inside his blueline right now/ crazy). Re the Olympic thing I think they gel pretty quick and having a two week stretch is nothing like having practices every day and training camps. There is plenty of time to develop this and guys never play with the same guys long term anyway. I would concede that it should probably be something done in Junior first to make the players more aware and adaptable before but I think it would be a huge asset in hockey.
        Ie you are playing Montreal and they have all of their eggs in one basket (kid line paired with PK and Markov)……why wouldn’t you play that line differently than you would the next two lines after.

  17. Shane1313 says:

    Momesso’s a bum.
    He shoots of some stupid comment knocking Pierre Gauthier.
    He wasn’t a good GM – but don’t blame him for eating healthy while Momesso stuffs his face to death

    • Habsrule1 says:

      So that’s why he’s a bum? I was waiting to read some good reason.

      Healthy eaters….the nerve of them!

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  18. Mavid says:

    I hate the Sens fans and all the homers..just needed to share that..make sure you start the collection in case I need to be bailed out
    thanks

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  19. Great HIO show!

    I’m a big fan of Momesso. Three or four years ago I drove to St Paul to watch the Habs destroy the wild.

    I sat with he and Rick Moffat before the game,and Sergio introduced me to every single hab as they walked to out of the lobby at our hotel.

    Kirk Muller was the best as he stayed and chatted and of course Ryan White (Brandon, MB) stopped by to say hello.

    PK scored a hat trick that night and the Wild fans never seen so many opposition hats on their ice in their entire Xcel existence!

    Back to work Peoples!

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
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    • jimmy shaker says:

      Hey Sholi,

      Read below that you mentioned Halak was “Pooping in his pants” during a part or parts of the game. Not sure if I agree, but that’s fine. How did he look on the penalty shot and during the shootout? Price had a good game as well, but like I mentioned yesterday the 1 on 1 breakaway is/has been a struggle for Price for a while now. Looking forward to Price and the rest boys getting back into the “W” column and in a big way. Somewhere along the lines of 4-0 or 4-1!

      Shaker out

      • That’s funny, you wonder how Halak was in the penalty shot and I wonder why our first line center didn’t try and deke a goalie who was 5 feet out. Yeah Halak was awesome on that play. (insert sarcasm here)

        EDIT- to add, how many shootouts are in the playoffs? Exactly! :) So endth the lesson.

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
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        Custom Sports Figures
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        • jimmy shaker says:

          Did he make the save or not? Who cares what you think Pleks should’ve done. No shootouts in the dance but I’m pretty sure there are the occasional breakaway now and again. Just wondering why you feel the need to jab Halak that ‘s all. I’ve complimented Price this year numerous times and think he’s been our most consistent and best player so far. He is very much a lock for team Canada and wish him well. Just don’t understand why you won’t/can’t give credit where credit is deserved when it comes to Jaro.

          Shaker out!

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Halak is good. Price is better.
            The end.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • jimmy shaker says:

            to habsrule:

            Almost correct……while price is playing like a number 1 tender and earning his 6.5 mill per contract this year, he has yet to impress in the second season like the aforementioned Halak. I am hoping this year he can make that jump, first in the olympics and than in the playoffs.

            Shaker out!

          • Habsrule1 says:

            1 playoff run doesn’t make Halak better. That said, their stats have been similar since the trade. Only real difference is St. Louis is more defensive and if I’m not mistaken, have allowed many fewer shots than the Habs.
            Anyway, given the choice, I’d take Price any day of the year….and that includes the playoffs.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  20. SteverenO says:

    fact check:
    “The Cat” wrote further down this thread:

    People should not want Boucher. His ultra anal defensive system kills a player’s drive and instinct and quickly wears thin. It only works in Junior where a coach has absolute power over players.

    ************************************************

    In Boucher first full season as coach with the Lightning they came 8th in scoring among all NHL teams- The Habs were 21st that year.

    In his second season Boucher’s Lightning were 9th overall in goals scored, the Habs were 20th.

    Last season ( he was fired 301 games into a 50 game season, the LIghtning ended up 3rd in NHL team scoring, (The Habs were 5th)

    I would be more worried about Therrien’s ice time management and player treatment “killing a players drive and instinct” than Boucher and his defensive system which, by the way , results in a lot of scoring.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • donmarco says:

      But when his team tuned him out, and they did, his message got real stale, real fast. I’m also of the opinion that he wouldn’t be a good coach for the Habs.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      I´m not too crazy about Boucher´s system but he has had success in Hamilton and some success in Tampa Bay, too. He has coached P.K. Subban and he´s still a relatively young coach who should be able to learn. Overall I´d take him in a heartbeat and I couldn´t imagine him doing worse job than Therren with this team that has a lot more potential than some here (want to) believe.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      This to me is a great example of how stats don’t always match what the eyes see.

      Boucher completely pushed for a trap style game, as was evidenced clearly in that game against Philadelphia (I think it was Flyers game), where they held the puck in their own end and none of the Tampa players would enter the Flyer zone to pursue the puck.

      That Tampa team did have a couple guys on it called St. Louis, Stamkos and Lecavalier which may have produced a couple of goals.

      I am not adverse to Boucher as possible our next coach, but I think you are fooling yourself if you don’t think his primary coaching philosophy is a defensive first system.

      If an NFL team has a great defense which produces a whole bunch of turnovers and it results in points is that NFL’s offence considered great, or is the defence great?

      • SteverenO says:

        The stats only indicate that under Boucher’s style the team managed to score consistently more than the average number of goals.

        It may be “boring” hockey to watch for some, but in my opinon the only way to score more goals is to play a more defensive style, ie, covering the opposition so their defense has noone to pass to, and thereby create turnovers and scoring chances.

        At the NHL level a team that does not cover well defensively will give up a lot of goals, and not score very often as they will be constantly in their own zone.

        As the old adage goes, ” the best offense is a good defense”.

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • The Cat says:

      You got to consider the horses he had vs the ones MTL had, also got to consider the southeast div at the time ie lots of games were offensively farcical compared to say the Central div. You cant deny TB players quit on him fairly fast.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Cal says:

      Yeah, NHL teams have been lining up to sign Boucher as head coach. NOT!

  21. shiram says:

    A thing that keeps being posted, and I’ve been guilty of doing it also, is that buying out Brière would be cheaper as he already is on a buyout.
    Anyone have any info on that? I know it’s what capgeek says, but I have not find any kind of official ruling on it.

  22. Timo says:

    So who do we got tonight that can throw ‘em?

    Parros, White, Murray, Bouillon and Moen, although I doubt he’d fight with his injured face.

    Who do Sens got? Neil, Kassian… who else?

  23. Jimmy9Toes says:

    Big Mo’s head looks like the first ghost the boys encounter on Ghostbusters.

  24. Timo says:

    I see a big game from David Day-Har-Nay today. 2 goals, an assist and a fight. He will be throwing his body everywhere.

  25. Timo says:

    Tootoo is on waivers again?

  26. SteverenO says:

    The reason I believe there is all this controversy about Subban’s TOI, is because it has nothing to do with performance.

    Let’s compare Subban and Markov numbers since Therrien took over the team;

    2012-2013 Ice time in minutes

    Markov: 821 ES — 228 PP —-107 SH
    Subban: 717 ES — 197 PP — 60 SH

    A clear edge to Markov DESPITE the fact that
    Subban was on the ice for more goals scored 37 ES goals scored to Markovs 30 ; And LESS goals allowed; Subban was on for 25 and Markov on for 39 goals against. Markov was a minus 9 and subban was a plus 12. There productivity and effectiveness on the special teams were almost identical.
    When Subban was on the ice teh HAbs scored an even strength goal every 19 minutes, with Markov they scored every 27 minutes.

    The opponents scored an even strength goal every 29 minutes with Subban on the ice, and once every 21 minutes when Markov was on the ice.

    To put it bluntly Markov had an awful season- he was the worst among all Montreal defenseman in every measurable statistic except for PP production. Subban has an amazing season both offensively and defensively, yet Markov still got the lion’s share of ice time in every situation.including the last few minutes of every close game.

    So far this season: Ice time in minutes

    Markov: 297 ES — 61 PP — 40 SH
    Subban: 301 ES — 67 PP — 13 SH

    Markov has been on the ice for 16 ES goals scored , Subban 15.
    Markov has been on for 10ES goals allowed. Subban 13.

    Markov is a plus 6 – Subban -is a plus 2.

    Last season when Subban was significantly more effective than Markov, Therrien gave Markov more ice time than Subban

    This season so far, Markov has rebounded and is now playing and producing like a top defenseman. (perhaps because he is playing most of the time with Subban?) and while there is not a lot of difference between their effectiveness, Markov is still getting ,more ice time than Subban.

    The point of all this is that Subban’s ice time,or lack of it, is NOT based on performance, and the same can be said about Markov.

    Therrien manages his players ice time based on nothing other than his own perceptions, and as the coach he has every right to do so. There is no point to seek out explanation, or logic, behind his decisions about ice time management because there is none.

    The good news is that when one’s decisions can not be supported by any facts, and do NOT stand up to scrutiny, chances are they will not last very long on their job. Here’s hoping.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • knob says:

      Very interesting.

    • krob1000 says:

      I appreciate and read every one of your posts but I always remember that there are several other factors that do not appear on your stat based comparisons. They do not factor goaltending, the linemates they play with or against. The quality of the competition, playign through injury, conditioning,garbage time in games that are essentially over, team systems, mental or physical errors by player , linemates or opposition, etc. There are so many factors that go into nearly every hockey play that stats can serve as a general guideline but are nowhere near absolute.

      As I said I always take the time to read your posts as I do find them interesting and sometimes the stats do perhaps tell a story if so significantly on one side of the norm but I do not see that so much here.

      Subban makes plays that noone else makes…but are they the plays he is supposed to make? If a coach is trying to develop a system there can be no deviants, no outliers and consistency or some level of it are required. Mistakes are mistakes but individualism is another story. I am not saying that is what is happening here but that is allegedly what caused problems before (tryin to do too much.

      You can argue that the team may be better of letting Pk do his thing but you could also argue the other way (and we could both skew stats to do so). I think MT and PK both have the same goal in mind…winning. I think MT is trying to make PK be the most effective he can be within the system that MT is running…that is what coaches do.

      While some of us may worry about PK’s stats the real issue is winning and losing. With a very injured team PK has stepped up played very good hockey for the most part this season, MT has adapted and went into defensive , almost playoff mode with a crippled lineup…good coaching IMO. Pk had a couple of off games…and he DID and DOES get the respect he deserves as instead of being benched or anything he missed what a total of 5 shifts in a couple games? big deal….that is nothing.

      Your facts are facts but they are selective facts and while I agree in some situations like the ones you proved some people should not be on the pp (and those stats showed them so far off that I had to accept there was something to them)…in a case like this I don’t see these stats as holding much water myself. Please continue to do what you do as I definitely appreciate them but I think this one is off.

      There is virtually no difference between pk and Markov’s icetime..so not sure why this matters and quite frankly it reminds me of a Dad at a Peewee game with a stop watch monitoring his sons icetime. Comparing last years Markov to this years has much more to do with his three years of no hockey, knee issues,etc than anything. You can see he is physically a different player. There was a time when everyone thought Teemu Selanne would retire….after injury…he seems to be have done alright and I don’t think it is because of anyone other than himself, his hard work and his improved health..same for Markov IMO. Who knows maybe it is Markov making PK better this season.

  27. montreal ace says:

    Wild card berth, to first in the conference, is 5 points after 16 games. This team has preformed well with a depleted roster, so I think we can play better, with a full lineup. Parros remaining in the lineup, is going to be dictated by the players, the cost of protection is making up for his mistakes.

  28. The Jackal says:

    Hey guys, saw some comments on 24CH.
    I think it’s a cool show and a good thing, but I hope it is not permanent.
    It’s a very cool inside look at the Club and the NHL world, and it’s a neat experience. I doubt the players are distracted by it, but I agree it can lead people to make some crazy inferences… cough PK cough MT cough.
    But still, it’s a good thing overall. I don’t think its a money grab, most fans like the show and I think it’s a good reward for fans who just want to know more about the team, the players, and how things are done. We don’t pay to watch it and its a really cool bonus for us fans.

    ______________________
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    • shiram says:

      Of course it’s a money grab, it’s also publicity and marketing, but it’s definitely a money grab.
      They would not be doing it if it was a pit to throw money away in.

      • The Jackal says:

        Just cus they make money from it does not make it a money grab. The fans don’t pay for it, and a money grab implies it’s some kind of gimmick to get us to spend money – we just watch the show. We’d buy Habs stuff with or without 24CH.

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        • shiram says:

          They still would not be doing it if it did not mean the money would flow in from the advertisers.
          It is a cash grab.
          Fans pay for it by watching the publicity within the show, and the show in itself is also publicity.

    • bwoar says:

      Glad to hear a different perspective. I don’t mind the show, but I don’t think reporters should be in the locker room (1 at most) I really get annoyed when a rink-level reporter working the game asks the coaches questions in-game. Maybe I’m getting old, but I think there’s no need for the media to be that invasive.

      The 11-year-old version of me would’ve eaten up 24CH and thought it was the coolest thing in the world, though. So i can’t hate it, I guess. I don’t even consider the money side of it, just the fact of having that extra burden of being in front of a camera that much more.

      “thoroughbred”

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah I think the media is a bit invasive these days, but 24CH is more of a passive presence rather than one that is hounding you asking questions and things like that. As long as it doesn’t become a distraction it’s all fine by me.

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      • B says:

        Fans today demand more than an article or two in a printed newspaper the day after the game. They want as much info as they can get and they want it as quickly as they can get it. Times have changed for the media.

        –Go Habs Go!–

  29. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Michel Therrien is an idiot & just needs to get fired. Now. If you can’t handle players issues in the dressing room, then the hell with you. That’s what cost him a job in Pittsburgh & will soon cost him one in Montreal.

  30. habsguru says:

    i wish COL would have called when they had to move Downey, not that he is a top three guy, but very edgy, works hard, and think of the guys we could have unloaded… They overpaid for Talbot! we need to get in on that kind of trade.

  31. Timo says:

    So, is anybody getting on the Twitter wagon today?

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    Louis Jean is saying PK Contract talks will start in about 2 weeks.

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbGcA?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=montreal-canadiens

    Louis Jean ‏@LouisJean_TVA 17h
    Talks on a contract extension for PK Subban planned to commence within next 2 weeks. #Habs
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  33. Walmyr says:

    Yep…HIO is a crazy place…
    …and I’m very happy with that…

    Have a good game folks!

    CHeers

  34. The Jackal says:

    I was watching 24/7 last night and I forgot how fun it is to watch it!
    Saw the Flyers-NYR series with our pals Prust and Briere – very good, down to earth guys. Funny to see them on other teams but still cool.
    There was a funny bit in which the Flyers played the Habs and Laviolette was complaining about the Habs always getting the calls at home, made me laugh.

    Good show, check it out.

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  35. jimmy shaker says:

    Christmas wish list:

    a top 3 but I could go with a top 6 forward

    a top 4 d-man

    Who would you chaps ask Mr.Claus for? And could it be done? One or the other, or both, without tinkering with the core that is in place already. I’m not even sure who I would ask for that could get done.

    Shaker out

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I like Moulson from the Isle, but he’s gone to buffalo, but then I think do we need a big rugged guy or a silky smooth purely offensive guy maybe like Hemsky?……I’m not sure!

      Shaker out!

    • The Jackal says:

      Top 3 D man – Beaulieu
      Top 4 D man – Tinordi

      :D

      You’re welcome!

      But in all seriousness, is it worth waiting for those 2 guys, or do we package some prospects, picks, players, what have you, for a top 3 guy and a sniper? I say we go for the sniper and try to let those two D come into their own.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Emelin will be our top 4 dman, Prust is a top 9 forward I think. While he plays 3rd or 4th line, his impact is that of a top 6 forward.

      I don’t see the Habs making any moves in the trade market to acquire players at this point, rather play this season out, with perhaps trades which move veterans out for future picks/prospects.

      I don’t dispute the needs you bring up, just putting down what I think will happen.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      A new coach.

  36. The Dude says:

    Been A FAN FOR 50 YEARS,but I would prefer MB would take the rose coloured CH shades off and GO TO A REBUILDING youth movement with a bunch of tenacious and truculent freeks of nature whom are from THE GREAT WHITE NORTH !Do the Commercials after the Cup MB and grab Coach Boucher…

  37. shiram says:

    How do all of you feel about Marc Bergervin as GM of the Habs right now?

    Granted he has not done too much trade-wise or to change the team around, but he’s been here for a while now, and has made a few moves, he could be judged on the moves he did not make as well.

    It’s somewhat weird to me to see him doing ads on TV, I did not like Gauthier, but at least when I saw his face I knew it was on the subject of hockey.
    It seems to me like there is a great wind of marketing sweeping down on the Habs right now: DD and Brière are signings that resonated with alot of Habs, they removed the statues in front of the Bell to make room for a condo tower, they got the 24CH thing going on, which although I find entertaining, I’m not sure is the best of things for the club.

    I like the administrative moves, Mellandy and co, the therapists and psychologists all the staff that you can have around the team are good adds.
    I like the idea that he is being patient and not rushing to sign everyone.
    But it still feels underwhelming to me, he inherited not a bad team, and the Habs are still not a bad team basically.

    • donmarco says:

      Sometimes the moves you don’t make are as important as the ones you do. I think he took over a team that had one of the shallowest prospect pools in the NHL and if you accept the theory that elite teams are built through the draft I think he’s been successful not only in stockpiling picks last year but in choosing some pretty interesting players.

      And he has avoided the quick fix mentality previous regimes have tried to use by keeping our young players and showing patience in their development. Within 2 years our defence will consist of PK, Emelin, gorges, Tinordi, Beaulieu and (hopefully) Markov. With Fucale moving up the depth charts we could be deep in goalies as well.

      But no GM will hit a home run every time, witness DD’s struggles and DB’s general ineptitude.

      On the whole I think he gets more than a passing grade so far.

      • shiram says:

        Gauthier did a nice job of handing him those picks though, trading guys like Gill, Cammy and Kostitsyn.
        I would not give credit to Bergevin for those.
        I mean he got a third in the Cole trade, but that’s about that IIRC.

        • donmarco says:

          I won’t give him credit for acquiring them, but I will for keeping them. And I will for not giving into temptation to trade away a young player for aging vets on the downside of their careers. While DB looks like a mistake so far, it didn’t cost us any players or picks and if he was to be bought out after this season it would cost us almost nothing. I think anyone who knew this team knew it was in disarray, cloaked in secrecy under G and G, and generally didn’t seem to have any plan or long term direction. I sense that is in the process of changing.

    • frontenac1 says:

      24CH should leave the Lads alone. Next year they could do a 24FRONT. I would be willing to take a bullet for the Team. Saludos!

      • shiram says:

        I’d probably watch that.

      • bwoar says:

        I feel that show should be canned immediately. Why put that on a team – more than once ?! It’s stupidity to distract the team with sideshow stuff like that.

        “thoroughbred”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Wrote a similar post on the last page, this show does nothing to help the team, nothing but a P.R. move for Bell. Last I checked they are minority owner who sponsor the arena the team plays in. It should be left at that.

          A money grab on the part of Molson (whom I generally like as an owner) but to me it is like he sold the teams soul for a few extra bucks.

        • Luke says:

          But it’s where we get our unbiased, unedited inside info.

    • bwoar says:

      His trade record is kinda poor so far, his FA signing record is lukewarm. His best move has been bringing in a decent goalie coach and creating an actual organization, both moves that take time to pay dividends. C+ for me, but it could jump to B with hindsight.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Cal says:

        The Brière signing is the one that bugs me the most. Why sign one of the over-the-hill gang when we all know the team won’t contend?
        Brière’s place should have been left to a rookie.
        Thus far, MB is a C. UFA signing of Brière and DD’s extension keeps his grade down.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      Except for signing DD and Briere, which was awful. Overall, IMO he’s done a good job.

    • Timo says:

      I feel the same way I felt when he hired Therrien. He is an idiot.

    • Steven says:

      The honeymoon is definitely over.

      I’m not sure how I feel about him so far. The DD contract was and remains a bad one, and the Briere signing is a bit of a head-scratcher – I could see the logic of it at the time but it still wasn’t perfectly logical, and now it just looks really bad with how poorly he’s played and how Bournival basically took his spot in the lineup.

      On the other hand, the Cole trade was brilliant(though it would have been better had we retained Ryder), he’s added some nice prospects through the draft(though you have to credit Gauthier for nabbing some of those picks), and he hasn’t done anything stupid to set the franchise back considerably.

      I think he’s done okay so far, but it may be time to start seeing some progress.

      • donmarco says:

        I’ll give you the DD signing but how could anyone, least of all MB, have foreseen such an awful slump. DB was a calculated risk (which could still pay off, btw). If he really does tank MB will buy him out for a pittance and move on. It was a risk, but a risk that cost us neither players nor a pick. Every GM is going to strike out sometimes.

    • DalEng says:

      Really liked him grabbing Stephane Waite. Price and Budaj look incredible this season which is how the habs win games.

    • jamman says:

      Hey shiram
      I am content with Bergevin as our GM. We hound him for the DD and Briere signings, which in a sense blinds us to all the good moves he’s made. Nobody is perfect. He brought in Prust, Waite, signed Price, Emelin etc. MB has also stressed that he is building for the future thus building through the draft so I def think thats a good thing long-term. It will take many more years for this team to be truly molded by MB.

  38. docketrocket says:

    Many commentators here seem to recognize the light at the end of the Subban tunnel. We should sign him as soon as possible to a generous long term contract. Little else is going to put this issue to sleep, especially if he does not get picked for the Olympic team.

  39. DipsyDoodler says:

    I see AB wrote an open letter to coach Therrien yesterday. Several H I/Oers similarly believe they could advise the Canadiens coaches.

    Here’s what is odd about that. Say AB or anyone of us were to magically become the Habs coach. How long before it all falls apart? First minute of the first practice?

    So if you are willing to fantasize about doing a job you are clearly unsuited to, why not go all the way? Why not type out blog posts in which you score on that breakaway, beat up Chris Neil, operate on Max Pacioretty, fly the team plane, or heck you own the Montreal Canadiens and fire everyone including Youpii?

    Note that I actually like Berkshire’s blog.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      MT sucks but that doesn´t mean any of us would do a better job and I assume no one really thinks so. That doesn´t mean you can´t/shouldn´t criticise MT. Some of his mistakes are so obvious (Subban, playing a weak fourth line and having them out with the 3rd D to name only two) it´s just painful.

      Do I have to be a politician too to have an opinion about politics? Do I have to be a chef to have an opinion about food? Do I have to be a cop or a criminal to have an opinion about crime?

  40. rhino514 says:

    It´s true that the defence and goaltending so far has been good.
    But instead of top 5 GA at the end of the year, i predict around 10th…but i also predict we will be top 4 in GF (if we stay relatively healthy).
    But the D is encouraging so far, let´s hope I´m wrong.

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    Ex Ref, Paul Stewart with his regular blog, this time discussing the concept of keeping referee crews together all season.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul-Stewart/Officiating-Teams-and-the-Two-Man-Ref-System/196/55485#.Unuyd3CkqwQ

  42. JarryPark says:

    Heading to Vegas. Anyone know where I can catch the game tonight? I put $100 on Habs to win. Anything I should know before I place the bet?

  43. HabinBurlington says:

    Good to see we are back on the PK topic, with a little more digging we can finally get this issue solved.

    In the meantime, who gives a rats ass about the other players, it’s not their fault we have lost a few in a row, this is all on PK and MT!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I really wonder what some people watch.

      I just read the following article on Emelin and was like….really? http://montrealhockeytalk.com/montreal-canadiens-news/alexei-emelin-the-russian-enforcer/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

      In the article they are talking about the ext but they are also making Emelin out to be a scrapper which he is far from. He had to fight to defend himself a couple times last year and looked awkward doing it in every instance. he is not a fighter by any stretch. he is a great stay at home D man who is an excellent hitter and has offensive upside.

      I really wonder what team some of these people are watching sometimes.

      The funny part about all this PK bs is that he will be signed before Christmas to a long term deal. I guarantee it

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Mattyleg says:

        People watch the game they want to watch, and see the world they want to see.

        This makes reality a bigger disappointment for these people, because it gels so badly with what they want.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  44. Phil C says:

    Stepped out for a bit. I pointed out below that Subban has been used the same as last year.

    – Winning the Norris is irrelevant to how he is used late in a game. We all know the Norris voting is heavily skewed towards offensive production. That’s why Karlsson won it instead of Weber or Chara. Letang was a finalist last year. Both Letang and Karlsson see minimal PK time just like Subban.

    – Given that Norris voting is often skewed towards offence, giving Subban a more offensive role while avoiding the tougher minutes is probably helped him win it.

    – I am not supporting Thierren in this decision, only pointing out that it is only this week everyone is noticing how the coach has been using him. I think this is important because it means it is not because of anything recent and that the recent controversy is manufactured by the press.

    – Did he use Subban late in a game last season? Honestly, I’m not sure, but given that his ice-time totals per game from last year are almost identical to this year, I suspect he wasn’t always used last year either. Can anyone say for sure that he was, or are you just speculating? Here is a link to game 4 of the playoffs last year when Ottawa tied the game with 23 seconds left. Diaz and Gorges were on the ice, not Subban.
    http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2012030124

    – I would prefer it if Therrien would cut Subban loose, let him make mistakes, let him learn through experience, no argument there.

  45. Eddie says:

    People often use the mountain out of a molehill expression around here.

    Here’s the mountain version;

    The Habs are in the entertainment business and Subban is one of the most entertaining stars in the NHL today. It’s very much like Ovechkin in Washington, in that, Subbans performance literally sells tickets, attracts sponsors, and increases the interest of the game everywhere he goes.

    When you are an owner who understands marketing you maximize Subbans exposure whenever and wherever you can, because Subban has so much fan appeal.

    So my fellow posters, do not worry about fly by night, insignificant, coaches like Therrien, and Martin before him.

    Subban is a generational talent.

    Molson knows it.

    And there is an 8 year 60+ million dollar contract on Molson’s desk with Subban’s name written on it.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You lost me at “The Habs are in the entertainment business.”

      Hockey is not entertainment.
      WWE is entertainment.
      Rob Ford is entertainment.

      Sport is not entertainment.
      Even when we are playing well and winning, do you see people on here who seem to be entertained?
      No.
      Following sports is a painful, frustrating process punctuated by moments of elation.

      It’s not entertainment, Eddie.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • bwoar says:

        Eh, sports is entertainment. When I watch *other* teams!

        Being a fan, now that takes a dedication to pain.

        “thoroughbred”

      • Eddie says:

        Not sure how to respond to that. I will try to be politically correct because lately I’ve been kind of agitated.

        Umm… You are mistaken, Matty.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I appreciate your restraint in these trying times, but unfortuntately I’m not mistaken, Eddie.

          This is another example of the Age of Entitlement that we live in, which has been fostered by capitalism and marketing.

          How often do you hear on tv commercials: “You work hard, so you deserve the best.” or “Never settle for anything less than the best.”

          These kinds of fallacies have seeped into our culture via the United States, where it makes up part of The American Dream, and many people are beginning to believe it.

          This kind of thinking results in extreme disappointment, because people almost never get ‘the best’ and even when they do, they qualify it in their minds so that it’s not the best. This is what marketers are attempting to engender in people, because disappointment breeds consumption – hate your life? THIS 72″ HDTV WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY!

          Sports are different. Fans don’t deserve to be entertained. They deserve to watch hockey. That is all. They don’t deserve the best, they deserve the team that is on the ice. That’s all.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Eddie says:

            Matty, I think you might have been born at the wrong time in history. You need to face reality.
            Even the Chinese and The Russians are Capitalists.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Just because everyone is doing it doesn’t make it clever.

            If the Chinese and Russians jumped off a bridge, would you?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          You’re both right. But yeah give me an unentertaining win any day.

          • Eddie says:

            Winning is part of the entertainment package. If a team loses too often, people are far less entertained, and their support for the team diminishes.

            Look at the late 90’s.

            The Habs lost 2 to 3 thousand fans a game when the team started to do badly.

            A fan expects to be entertained at the game, and part of that entertainment is a winning result.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Here is the molehill version….

      A young superstar developing into one of the premiere players in the league.

    • Timo says:

      Some entertainment. One thing, they sure aren’t in winning the stanley cup business.

    • B says:

      Interesting choice using Ovechkin for a comparison. How much time does the two time Hart trophy winning face of the Capitals spend killing penalties or defending one goal leads at the end of a game?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  46. Luke says:

    I’ll just put this right here. No reason why. Just y’know… causal interest. I’m sure no one will comment further on it…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/larry-robinson-effect-san-jose-sharks-230027792–nhl.html

    Vlasic, for example, could probably skate all night but has only cracked 22 minutes once this season.

    “It’s because of our depth back there. All six guys can play, although maybe not in every situation, because some guys play in more offensive situations,” said Robinson.

    (slowly walks away. Gets out of sight. Full sprint).

  47. rljmartin says:

    I do not worry so much about scoring. Defense and goaltending is what wins hockey games in this NHL and wins Stanley cups.

    Look at Penguins last night, let in 5 goals on 25 shots. They will not win the cup this year with their approach to defense.

    Look at Colorado last night…. Open it up, they loose 6-4.

    If all players on the ice are defensively responsible, eventually the openings come and so do the goals and you do not need 4 or 5 every game to win.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Our defense and goaltending is great.
      We have the 5th fewest goals against in the league, and 4th in GAA, with one and two games in hand over the teams above us.

      We need to start potting 3 goals per game.
      That’s enough to win, and we’ve only done it 4 times in our last 10 games.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  48. Curtis O Habs says:

    If the coach does not trust Subban`s defence late in the game or in overtime, I would trust his offence and play him on the wing.

  49. Old Bald Bird says:

    In all of the PK brouhaha, one thing that surprises me is that so many posters here think that a very mediocre coach and coaching staff can remould a Norris winner to be oh so much better.

    Just don’t eff this up, Habs. Just don’t.

  50. I like a good comeuppance as well as the next guy, but I’d rather it be on the scoreboard than in the alley.

    I hope the boys just focus on playing their game and coming away with 2 points.

    DDonais

  51. Hobie Hansen says:

    The bets are piling up around the office here in Ottawa. Habs better win or I’ll be short a few bucks tomorrow. Sorry to the softies around here but I also made the bold prediction that Chris Neil will be lying in a pool of his own blood. A game like tonight is where fighting is a fun part of the game!

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    A good read on the new Metropolitan Division from Sean McIndoe (Down goes Brown fame) written for Grantland.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9931844/why-metropolitan-division-terrible

  53. habsguru says:

    the CH need to play for 2 points tonight, not retribution.

  54. Mattyleg says:

    Do you think that DD’s slump has been compounded by the fact that nobody else feels like scoring much these days?

    Eller? Galchenyuk?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • krob1000 says:

      This is totally a made up theory but I wonder if the kids start out better as they are already in top shape at the beginning of a season and the older guys take a while to get their game legs and teams begin to tighten up.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I said exactly that at the beginning of the season.
        “The kids will fade, and the oldsters will power on,” I said.

        Look at Team Canada kids vs. the older Russians a few years back.
        Came out guns-a-blazin’, piled on the goals, but didn’t have the staying power of the older Russian players.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Not far fetched in the least, last season some teams who had a bunch of AHL players on the roster (Leafs) got off to a very good start as these players were in much better shape.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The vets need to step it up. There is too much reliance on our kids for the offense.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Mattyleg says:

        It’s actually a lot more spread out than you think:

        Goals
        Gally: 7
        Pleks: 6
        Eller: 5
        Bourque:5
        Gionta: 4
        Bournival: 4

        Chucky, Prust, Max: 2

        —Hope Springs Eternal—


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