You be the GM: Which Canadiens would you leave unprotected for the NHL expansion draft?

The Vegas Golden Knights are within a few days of having a roster and beginning the 2017-18 National Hockey League campaign in earnest.

The NHL will hold its expansion draft on June 21, with the 30 existing teams submitting protected lists and the Golden Knights choosing from among the rest to construct their first roster. The protection lists must be submitted by Saturday at 5 p.m., and the Knights will have three days to select one player from each of the 30 teams. Vegas’s selections will be announced June 21 during the NHL awards gala.

The rules for protecting players are fairly straightforward, although there are a few twists to make sure the Golden Knights field a relatively competitive team. Existing teams can protect a strictly controlled set of 11 players (exactly seven forwards, three defencemen and one goalie) or a more flexible set of nine players (consisting of eight skaters and one goalie).

The teams must leave unprotected at least two forwards, one defenceman and one goalie who is under contract for next season and who played at least 40 games this season or 70 games over the last two seasons. Players who have two or fewer seasons of experience are exempt from this process.

To give fans a chance to test their choices against those of Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin, we’ve created a set of forms below to allow you to set a protected list for each of the seven Canadian teams. We also would like to know which player you believe the Golden Knights will select from the Canadiens’ roster.

In the forms below, you’ll be able to see which sets of players are eligible to be exposed to meet the stipulations listed above. Which of your four best defencemen will you be willing to part with? Which forward won’t make the cut on your list? Will you sacrifice two forwards to keep an extra defenceman?

At the end of the week, we’ll share the crowdsourced answers.

To submit your answers, click here

Photo: Allen McInnis/MONTREAL GAZETTE

 

802 Comments

  1. Claude Kane III says:

    Apparently the deal becomes one for one if Sergachev plays 40 games next year….

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    Condition on the picks in Tampa-Montreal trade is that if Sergachev plays 40 games for Bolts next season, there are no picks exchanged.

    Up and Atom!

    • Habfan17 says:

      The next trade better be Patches and Galchenyuk for MacKinnon and a 3rd! or Tavares Now the Habs have an extra player they need to protect and are still no better down the middle.

      Habfan17

  2. Chris says:

    If Bergevin can re-sign Radulov, how does this forward group look in October?

    Drouin – Galchenyuk – Radulov
    Pacioretty – Danault – Gallagher
    Lehkonen – Plekanec – Shaw
    Byron – McCarron – Martinsen

    I can get on board with that group of forwards…but can the Habs afford them?

  3. AndyF says:

    So do the Habs have to protect Drouin in the expansion draft, now?

  4. cndgoose says:

    My thoughts are this trade was the result of being in a weak desperate position due to a poor developmental system and poor drafting.

    We now have to protect another rather – lighting have one less to protect

    We lose our future Weber / Markov blue line anchor for next decade
    (Nice to have still had mcdonut alright now)

    Finally I think this trade was more acceptable for some because drouin is a Franco

    • Chris says:

      If I’m being honest, it isn’t like Montreal’s exposed list was keeping me up at night. Adding Drouin means that Charles Hudon is expendable. With Lehkonen, Drouin, and Pacioretty all playing LW, there is no place for him.

      Expose Shaw and you might lose a useful but quite expensive third-line forward. Expose Emelin and you lose an overpaid 2nd- or even 3rd-pairing defenceman. Expose Plekanec and you might lose an overpaid third-line center.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Well now, if it was poor drafting, they wouldn’t have gotten Drouin for one of their picks. Would they?

  5. DAVE. N says:

    “He had some ups and downs (at training camp), but the upside is huge,” Bergevin said about the 6-foot-3, 215-pound defenceman. “Today, defencemen take longer. But he’s already ahead of the curve by the time he got here. We’ll watch him closely, but it’s fun to have a young defenceman like that with a lot of potential.”
    Interview October 11,2016 Marc Bergevin discussing Sergachev

  6. cndgoose says:

    Can I RESUBMIT my draft lottery players to protect list now??

  7. Det. Sgt. Jocko says:

    So, traded Subban, drafted his “replacement”, only to trade him as well. What a GM we are saddled with!!!!

  8. HabsFanInSaintJohn says:

    Bye bye Sergy…hello Drouin!

  9. Ozmodiar says:

    Jeter le bebe avec l’eau bain …… pour Drouin!

  10. cndgoose says:

    I thought he didn’t believe in Windows of opportunity

    Mortgages the future for now

    • WarHero says:

      Drouin has many years left ..

    • Chris says:

      Sergachev is 19 on June 25th. Jonathan Drouin is 22. They are both future players.

      The difference is that one has already showed he is an NHL player, scoring 21 goals and 53 points last season, while the other is still a bit of an unknown at the NHL level.

      Montreal’s problem was that they couldn’t score goals. With Carey Price in net, you don’t need to invest in a strong defence corps. You just need to give him 2 goals or more.

  11. WarHero says:

    Jonathan Drouin TRADED to Montreal for Sergachev.

  12. Le Revenant says:

    Enormous trade: the Canadiens get Jonathan Drouin and conditional 6th for Mikhail Sergachev and conditional 2nd.

    Booooooo!

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    • WarHero says:

      I like it …

    • Le Revenant says:

      Bob McKenzie points out that this helps out Steve Yzerman and the Lightning, they drop a player who needed to be protected for the expansion draft, and the Canadiens take him on, and have to leave one more guy unprotected.

      McKenzie also points out that Jonathan Drouin is an RFA, although getting to a contract shouldn’t be a problem.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Didn’t see your post with the details.

      I like Drouin a great deal, but I was already all in with Sergachev. I’m torn on this deal.

      Wonder if this breathes new life for Nate and Alex?

      Also, this changes numbers game on Vegas protection.

      • Chris says:

        I like the deal. Montreal’s problem has been scoring goals, so Bergevin went out and got one of the top young offensive players in the game.

        I hope this means that Galchenyuk stays as the #1 center. One thing worth noting is that Montreal doesn’t lose a player if Las Vegas signs Alex Radulov. My protection list would now be:

        Pacioretty, Danault, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Drouin, Plekanec, Shaw, Weber, Petry, Beaulieu, and Price.

        This trade indicates to me that Bergevin isn’t done, though. Montreal is suddenly deep on LW’s: Pacioretty, Drouin, Lehkonen, and Byron. Does this mean Galchenyuk is now a center or dealt for one, or perhaps moved to RW if Montreal can’t re-sign Radulov? Is one of the undersized forwards going to be part of another trade for an established #1 center?

  13. Claude Kane III says:

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    The Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin + a cond. 6th-round pick (2018) from TBL, in return for M. Sergachev + a cond. 2nd-round pick (2018).

    Up and Atom!

    • mdp2011 says:

      Holy Crap! That is a bomb!

    • Le Revenant says:

      Gotta admit, Marc Bergevin runs a tight ship, again. The team website breaks the news, not an ‘insider’. No rumours about this trade, these specific players, to be heard beforehand.

      • Claude Kane III says:

        The renewed interest in Drouin was out there but may well have come from the TB side. MB and his staff do seem able to keep things under wraps.
        The question I have now is what happens with Galchenyuk? Does this breathe new life into his Habs career or is MB still leaning toward moving him?

        Up and Atom!

    • CHerry Picker says:

      Good sweet gentle Jesus !!! additions without subtractions !!! I love Sergachev but nothing is a guarantee !!

  14. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Housley the next coach of Buffalo…big loss for Nashville.

  15. Captain aHab says:

    How much worse off would the Habs be with MA Fleury between the pipes over the next couple of years (while McNiven and Lindgren develop) instead of Price?

    Of course, factor in that we would get cap space and something for Price in a trade. Not a #1 C but we would get something.

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    • marvin20 says:

      It would be a big chunk of salary for a lottery pick each year

    • berc says:

      Crawling out from under my rock. Greetings to all.
      I kind of like this, Ahab. MAF proved that he’s still got what it takes, and I am not among those fervent devotees of Cult of Price. But MAF has clearly moved to backup status, and it remains to be seen whether Lindgren is ready for primetime, and Montoya is surely not a #1. Lindgren could turn out to be another Condon. I believe that he’s better than Condon and will turn out to be a .915 NHL #1. But a .915/.910 (or worse) duo won’t cut it, I am afraid. It would be a huge gamble–that Lindgren turns out to be a .925er, and I don’t see Bergevin rolling the dice to that extent. McNiven is also promising, but a ways off from reaching the NHL.

      At the end of the season, I thought that Plekanec merited protection in the expansion draft. But now I cannot see how he can be protected, given the risk of losing Byron if Plek is protected (unless Shaw is left unprotected, but Shaw is versatile and useful on RW) and given the need to free up cap space. If both Plek and Emelin are left unprotected, it is hard to see how Vegas would take anyone else–given that they have a floor to meet and both of these are proven veterans who could add a lot for Vegas. If Plekanec is taken, and Markov is re-signed at a discount, this should hopefully free up enough to sign Radulov and Galchenyuk. But if Emelin is taken, or a player with a lesser cap hit, then there may be a dilemma with respect to re-signing Radulov. In that case, the best alternative might be to trade Price’s big salary (or Price and Galchenyuk). This is an unlikely scenario. We shall soon see how this plays out.

  16. Le Revenant says:

    Craig Button on TSN 1040 Vancouver, talking Entry Draft:

    1) He has said before that the Canucks should take Cody Glass at #5 if he’s still available, if things fall like they should.

    2) He ranks Glass, Petersen and Middlestad, in that order. Glass is bigger, stronger, has a better shot, is more dynamic, and scores more.

    3) The fact that Petersen played with Jonathan Dahlen is something you would take into account if you’re the Canucks.

    4) Outside Nico-Nolan, rank the three most dynamic, best skaters: Makar, Valardi, Necas, Petersen.

    5) How do guys like Larkin and Pastrnak fall so low in the drafts? A year later they’re impact players in the league? Showings in the U-18s and WJCs hold too much weight. Barry Fraser said he saw Paul Coffey play once in Junior and thought “If that guy can’t play in the NHL, nobody can.”

    Big guys without skill will never get that skill. Small guys with skill can get bigger, stronger. Character is overblown, I don’t see many players who don’t work, who aren’t determined.

    6) Will Cale Makar’s size (wingspan) prevent him from defending effectively in his zone? Craig doesn’t believe in wingspan, pays it no attention. His mental ‘wingspan’ and his skating ‘wingspan’ is exceptional. Troy Stecher and Johnny Gaudreau don’t have wingspan.

    Matt Sekeres brings up Zdeno Chara and Hal Gill as examples. He wonders whether you use wingspan as a tiebreaker between Makar and Heiskinen, for example, they being so close in ability and potential. Craig Button says that the thing most consistently overemphasized is size, teams miss on players all the time because they banked on size.

    Everything being equal, maybe, but he says rarely if ever are things equal.

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  17. Le Revenant says:

    At the risk of ruffling Obdurate Luke’s feathers, I’m going to post a link on the object of my Entry Draft affections Maxime Comtois.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/lnh/comtois-croit-que-l-adversite-l-a-fait-grandir-1.4536924

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  18. Le Revenant says:

    Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey

    Holland: “Basically what we’re going to do is submit our list of 7-3-1.”

    Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey

    Holland: “I don’t want to spend any futures to protect any players. We’re going to protect our 7-3-1 and George can make his decision.”
    09:53 – 14 Jun 2017

    ‘zactly. We’re going to lose one player, let’s protect those with the most future value, and then let the Las Vegas Meadow Golden Lark Kings get on with their dirty business. While we close our eyes and think of Hockey.

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  19. bwoar says:

    Y’know they could just buy out Plekanec and protect JDLR. For fun.

  20. Le Revenant says:

    I’d laugh, except we couldn’t manage even that with Jarred Tinordi. And Louis Leblanc.

    http://deadspin.com/rams-turn-2014-no-2-pick-into-2018-sixth-rounder-1796129270

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    • bwoar says:

      AS a Lions fan I approve this message. Though Kouandjio IMO will likely win out over Robinson.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I’ve never understood drafting offensive lineman in the first round.

      • Don Birnam says:

        Popp is a good GM and a rotten coach. Argos will be tough to beat this year with Popp,Trestman and Bear Woods(why did the Als let one the best Linebackers in the League go for nothing?)
        Real headscratcher amigo.

        • Captain aHab says:

          The Bear Woods thing was just bizarre. Could it be another “he was sleeping with other players’ wives” thingy?

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          Drop da puck already!

        • on2ndthought says:

          I’m with you. Supposedly the kid replacing him is a clone; but so what? Gimme two Bear Woods on my team any day.

      • Captain aHab says:

        I understand taking a shot at a top guy early in the draft on the blindside. Established guys at these positions are not cheap and they are very very important if you value your QB’s health.

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        Drop da puck already!

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Just too unpredictable IMO plus they get injured frequently. You need a bunch of them. The 1st round should be for playmakers. If not there, trade down.

      • Le Revenant says:

        Man, a topflight left tackle drafted high can change your franchise’s fortunes. Antony Munoz, Joe Thomas, Tony Mandarich, …

        Oops…

        • Captain aHab says:

          Yeah Mandarich was a major wiff.

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          Drop da puck already!

        • on2ndthought says:

          Anthony Munoz is the main reason I’m still a Bengals fan.

          • Le Revenant says:

            In a Sports Illustrated story, they’d told the story of how the Bengals held a long drive competition, and everyone expected Anthony Muñoz to win it, he so beeg and strooong.

            The story went on to say that he did not, and neither did this OLineman, and this DE and this LB and this other OL, they kept listing the players who didn’t win, along with their height and weight, all the way down to Cris Collinsworth, who was around 6’2″ and 200 lbs.

            Who did win? Why it was the kicker, all 5’9″ of him.

            While you watch the U.S. Open this weekend, don’t worry so much about the size of the golfer, it’s all about clubhead speed.

            The only other SI story I can think of was a NFL scout gushing about Tony Mandarich, how he was the finest OT prospect to come out of college since Anthony Muñoz, in that now infamous cover story.

            https://www.si.com/vault/1989/04/24/119785/the-big-enchilada-tony-mandarich-a-top-nfl-prospect-is-a-chowhound-who-chews-up-opponents

            The reporter probed further, quizzing the scout about what skill or ability might differentiate the two. The scout thought about it, and said “Well, Tony Mandarich wasn’t the starting pitcher on his college baseball team, like Anthony Muñoz was.”

  21. PONCH says:

    Strictly a hockey comment. No need to refer to him as a coach killer or to immature to live and play in Montreal (as if Montreal is the only city in the NHL that has a nightlife. How presumptuous of to many especially the media) Leaving all that out and dealing strictly with our needs and his talent what, IF they could be wooed to give him up, would you be prepared to give up for Eichel in Buffalo
    A young talented C who could step in as our 1 right away. I would start with Sergachev to open the discussion and go from there. His is a name that has not come up much from what I have read in the posts and I think it would be interesting to hear your comments. I appreciate what I read most of the time on HIO and there are certainly a lot of opinions to be given.
    Anyway just thought I would put a new thread out there to get away from the bashing and speculate on real hockey. Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in
    To be a Hockey Fan is to be a Habs Fan

    • bwoar says:

      For discussion only, I’ll mention:

      1. Galchenyuk was not a much of a centre in junior, period.
      2. Being a good possession player does not = 200 foot game. It often just means you are sheltered. Stats relative to teammates are useless w/o adjusting for QoC.
      3. Turns out Jonathan Marchessault is a pretty good player in the playoffs.
      4. See #2 re minutes.

      “The numbers tell us he is productive offensively whenever he gets a chance and that he is decent defensively despite a reputation to the contrary.”

      I can’t stand dummkopf statements like this, the numbers tell a small part of the entire story.

      But yes, krob, I’ll admit this all does sound familiar.

      I too think Galchenyuk is actually dumb, as in, not very intelligent. But that’s not based on very much, just an opinion based on my impression.

      • krob1000 says:

        I would prefer to keep Galchenyuk but the writing appears to be on the wall. Funny you mention Marchessault…along similar lines of addressing the organizational homegrown content I can’t help but keep looking at the Panthers roster with Huberdeau, Marchessault and Jason Demers and wondering what it would take to make some deals there?
        Maybe a change of scenery helps both Chucky and Drouin….hard to undo any reputations they have developed where they are. I am sure both could benefit from a change.

        As far as being a center…neither was DD…when it was he in that role the line was stacked almost always, the role was sheltered and treated as an offensive line….ironically you have Chcuky who is better offensively and worse defensively perhaps than DD yet he is not used the same and given same leash?

        No matter how you slice it I think Chucky is a top line talent…but IMO his best two positional options are center or RW…..left wing neutralizes his greatest talent which is his shot…both onetimers and his all world wrister….but …..he is put in lese effective position IMo more of then not…

        Change could do both good…if trading for Drouin I would use him as a sheltered center with a goal of creating offense…talk to PAtch and ask him to revert back to the Patch from a couple seasons ago that was a backchecking machine and let Drouin and Radulov make the magic happen and have Patch lurk as trailer and up high finding seems to shoot.

        • bwoar says:

          I couldn’t agree more, they way he’s been used is a bit silly. I really don’t know why they can’t simply learn to live with his mistakes as a centre, but then, I think they’re likely keyed in on some other external factor with this player than what he does on the ice.

          Here’s a kid who needs all the ice time in the world, and he plays 3rd line minutes because he’s a liability defensively. It’s straight up poor coaching.

          I am coming around to your thinking on Drouin, as a Quebec native he’d be more likely to be handed the better assignments. At this point I’m having a hard time dismissing that idea, rather it seems more likely than not. If they are going to use him as a centre, Drouin would at least be a palatable trade IMO but super risky.

    • habcertain says:

      Not that I want to trade Price, but we have depth here, and I would definitely see what we could secure in return. maybe him and another could secure us a solid centre, or picks/prospects. Trading the likes of Max or Chucky for other like forwards just leaves us in neutral.

  22. Luke says:

    LeREv, as I mentioned on the previous page under your TSN/Ray/Galcheyuk post.

    When I listened to that clip of Ray discussing Galchenyuk at centre, I could swear he cuts himself off… just short of saying Alex is too stupid…

    It sure sounds like it.

    • Le Revenant says:

      Yeah, he cracked open the door, maybe a little too wide or a little too long, then slammed it shut again.

      It felt to me that he had four or five things to say, but went with the more inoffensive option, grounded on facts and stats, to minimize any future blowback.

  23. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I wouldn’t mind Alex Killorn. Can play in the top six and salary is fine.

    EDIT: Also just noticed his NTC kicks in this summer so TB will definitely move him. So if the Habs acquire him, bye-bye NTC a-la-PK so the contract becomes better.

  24. Habby_Haberton says:

    Who does it: Galchenyuk and a first for Malkin.

    Dreger said something about Pens possibly having interest so throwing this out there.

    • bwoar says:

      Do it and run before they come back remorseful.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      You would have to add Serge.

    • habcertain says:

      What is he, 31 or 32? We are an old team, why trade Chucky plus more youth for a good player, but still not enough to make a legit run. The more discussion around this team makes it apparent we are in tough, we are beginning to look like the old leafs. MB will need a miracle.

      • bwoar says:

        “Google MF, do you use it?”
        He turns 31 this summer. Hardly old & perfectly of an age with our core.

        • habcertain says:

          Our core is old, and would get older if we trade youth (Chucky) for Malkin. Thanks for tip on Google, is it on that internet thing?

          • bwoar says:

            It’s some kind of cookie I think. Someone said they had cookies on the internet. That’s why I’m here, frankly.

            My point about the core is that there’s no reason not to trade for a better player if they fit the age range. At some point the team will be blown up anyhow, might as well make the best of what we have now.

            Youth, in itself, isn’t a massive asset if the team can’t find a #1 or #2C or chooses not to use that youth in that position.

          • habcertain says:

            I love cookies.

            I guess I have slid to some sort of mini rebuild strategy, maybe MB has some magic up his sleeve, I just see us in the old Leaf world, going after Clarkson/Phaneuf types etc. I would also put Weber on the block and see what that can fetch, roll the dice on Sergie, Juulsen, add some picks or solid prospects.

  25. Andre Binette says:

    Rangers centerman Derek Stepan seems to be on the market, as per Bob McKenzie. Age 26, 6ft, 196 pounds, a regular 50+ point per season player on a 6,5M contract for the next four years.

    Interesting for the CH?
    OR
    Do you fear a repeat of a Gomez for McDonnagh type of deal?
    You know, Stepan for Sergachev….:)

    • Ingy27 says:

      That would be a pathetic trade

      Shea it ain’t so…….

    • Le Revenant says:

      Reading the comment boards for Ranger fans, they had the same aversion to their centres that we have, so I’m not sure he’d be a solution for us. Maybe strictly in comparison to what we currently have, but I’d fear the overpay.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I believe MB is definitely interested…but he won’t get suckered like Gainey did (hopefully). Rather have O’Reily (even at a million more and longer contract).

    • sakuknows says:

      for n8 and our first? could live with that….

    • Andre Binette says:

      Statistically, It would make him our, dare I say it (Gulp), first line center. Automatic upgrade vs what we have now. That’s how weak we are.
      For me, It all depends what the CH has to send the other way.
      Salary wise, pretty much the equivalent of Plekanec, So we would have to drop him.
      My concern, is that I don’t trust MB regarding trades. He does have a tendency to overpay. He sells low and buys high….

    • Luke says:

      Stepan has NEVER scored 60 points.
      His best season was the lockout season.

      He is not the top centre solution for Montreal.
      Similar to how he isn’t it for New York.

  26. kirkiswork says:

    These guys like Pierre Mcguire and Tony Marinaro with their trade predictions. I don’t think I have ever heard a prediction that actually happened, especially one of Bergevin’s.
    Still, I guess they have to talk about something.
    If Beaulieu or Galchenyuk are traded by Saturday I will have to eat crow.
    GoHabsGo

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Nah don’t eat crow.

      If either gets traded, it doesn’t automatically mean McGuire or Marinaro knew anything about it.

      Like chicken, but think of what IT was eating….

    • New says:

      Yeah, I don’t know where Saturday came from, probably from the same place BGL got his trade deadline foreknowledge from.

      It is all an attention thing. These days of the internet attention is quantified by hits and clicks.

  27. Le Revenant says:

    ***Re-posted from yesterday***

    Le Revenant JUNE 14, 2017 AT 5:00 PM

    Ray Ferraro had some interesting thoughts on Alex Galchenyuk, who is popping up in Canucks trade rumours scenarios lately. It’s refreshing to hear voices from outside our echHIo chamber.

    8:54 mark of the clip linked to below.

    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/ferraro-have-a-tough-time-with-the-idea-of-protecting-gaunce-1.779144

    If you haven’t yet, click on the link above and skip ahead to listen to Ray Ferraro’s take on Alex Galchenyuk and his standing within the Canadiens. It’s interesting since Ray isn’t part of our “You’re an idiot” “No, YOU’RE an idiot” tug-of-war we play on here, and as Montréal fans generally, he’s relatively independent, doesn’t have an axe to grind.

    Ray Ferraro’s comments, plus Marc Bergevin assertion during his year-end presser that at some point, a player has to take responsibility for himself, plus François Gagnon’s openly-stated certitude that Alex has played his last game as a Canadien, this all gives me pause.

    I remember Alex’s first prospect development camp, and how he wowed everyone with a panoply of penalty shot moves, how he was basically unstoppable, scoring at will. The Canadiens brass was shaking its collective head at how good a player they had just got, and fans were high-fiving each other in the stands at the Brossard rink.

    I thought we had a Pierre Turgeon-level centreman, a guy we’d lean on for a dozen years or so, a cornerstone. Size and datsyukian hands and skill, what was not to like?

    And now it’s apparently come to this? After body blow after body blow, Louis Leblanc then Jarred Tinordi and now Nathan Beaulieu and Alex? And what of Danny Kristo? Wherefore art thou, Daniel?

    It’s easy to blame Marc Bergevin, now that HIO got its stone of nicotine-laced Therrien flesh and has its sights on another trophy, but for Ray Ferraro to crack the door that wide and let us have this peek, how worrisome is that? That rarely happens, even with all the ‘insiders’, they’re more interested in maintaining their privileged access than giving us the information they acquire. Usually, when journos and analysts speak that openly of a player, it’s when his career’s corpse grows cold, or when the loaner truck smushes into a Northern Weeping Sycamore Maple.

    As a scaredy-cat armchair GM morbidly averse to risk, I don’t want to trade Alex, not immediately after a fallow, injury-marred season, when his trade value is at its lowest. I don’t believe in The Window, I don’t think we’ll get to a Cup this season by dishing out long-term contracts to UFA’s in their thirties, and I don’t think we can pull ten rabbits out of the hat either with a profusion of trades, no matter how good our pro scouting is and how shrewd the brain trust is.

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    Liberate HabitantinSur rey, HIO’s stubborn schismatist! Occupy Stu Cowan’s office!

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Gerry Pigeon says:

      So you don’t want to trade Chucky? Because you think we can’t get good value for him?

      Given so many sources note Chucky needs to take responsibility for himself (most notably Ferraro with the faceoff percentage talk), it seems like the Habs have a player with tons of talent, but no heart or maturity. That seems like the ideal trade candidate, as another team’s GM always seems to think they can get more out of that player. Look at what’s his name on the Oil? Great playoffs after MB deals him there post drunken crash… Last chance, time to smarten up, MB himself took the same chance when he acquired him, figured he might get good value if the player suddenly realizes time is running out…

      So is it our GM’s lack of ability to make that trade then, that makes you fear what we’d get in return? Is it our coach’s lack of ability to grow Chucky? Even if you blame Chucky entirely, you have to hold MB responsible for not being able to get fair value for him.

      • krob1000 says:

        A Drouin deal makes sense, both top 3 picks, both with great potential, both kind of at odds within their organizations …both could benefit the other teams, Chucky is more proven, Drouin has potential and you get better contract situation for now….it is a deal that works for both teams IMO. I would prefer in an ideal world or in any other market for that matter to keep Chucky…but this move makes other issues go away too.

    • New says:

      I know young men. Give them a lot of money and no mentor and things do not always turn out for the best of anyone concerned.

      Galchenyuk is a Belarusian/American from Florida playing in a French-Canadian city since he was 19.

      He is pretty skilled, what is not to like? If the team has mentored him, trained him, motivated him, and he is still floundering then they are well done with him.

      If the team has decided to tell him to work on faceoffs, tell him to work on coverage, tell him to behave, then really isn’t that a shortcut to saying it is all on the player?

      You get something nice you maintain it, you improve it, you take care of it.

      Then there are the folks who just run to their parents and say this or that doesn’t work anymore.

      We have no idea what the Habs actually are, just what they tell us they are.

      So I guess, who knows where the truth lies. Except they shoved him out of the first line center job at the first opportunity and then down to the fourth line. He was great, the team was fantastic, he got hurt, the team began to suck, he came back, and his place was gone.

      They sat Beaulieu after taking his minutes away as well.

      Both these kids are done in Montreal. If they aren’t they should opt out.

      Watch for Bergevin to try for the big draft move in Chicago, his kind of town.

    • The Big E says:

      IF there is a window now, you don’t get through it by trading away your significant roster players to add different roster players … you get through it by trading away prospects/picks to add significant roster players to the guys who are already there.

      So, trading Alex to get someone else to fill his spot isn’t a “get through the window” move. Trading Sergachev &c. to get someone to play with Alex … now, that’s a “window” trade. (Not that we should, mind you … but if one were so inclined, that’s the thing to do.)

  28. Luke says:

    Hurricanes bridge Teravainen.

    2 @ 2.86 AAV.

  29. WarHero says:

    Beauchemin being bought out … no surprise there.

  30. Gerry Pigeon says:

    Why aren’t all player’s contracts loaded with team success incentives?

    I know many players have individual incentives, like point thresholds reached, and bonuses for trophies won, etc.. But doesn’t it make sense to load every player’s contracts up with team success bonuses? Maybe ONLY with team success bonuses?

    I look at Chucky, and he just wants to do the enjoyable parts of the game, score goals, get the big contract for the points, have fun with the girls afterwards. Understandable at his age.

    But what if you told him he could double his pay if he helps get the team to the Cup finals? Wouldn’t he suddenly clue in he needs to play better D, put more effort into winning faceoffs, and generally be a much more effective player in all aspects, not just scoring goals? Less trying to stick-handle through the opposing team, more short, effective, forward passes, battles along the boards and in the corners?

    I don’t understand why every team hasn’t been doing this already. Only inclusion of team success I hear about is deals between teams where one team gets varying levels of compensation from another team, depending on how well they do in the playoffs, now that they’ve added a certain player to their roster.

    It seems to me every player should have team success built into their contracts, thus motivating them to be more complete players, find a better understanding of how they can best contribute (score, check, block shots), and also accept that other teammates get proper ice time to help the team win, and thus contribute to everybody’s bottom line.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Gerry, I always thought performance based contracts were the fairest of all, especially for GM and coaches.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi GP. Two things.
      1. How solid is this summary of Galchenyuk? Obviously we hear stuff, stuff gets written, we (especially here!) are always happy to project stuff. SO is this stuff or is it solid. My hands are on the corners of my Galchenyuk wall poster.
      2. You’ve no need of encouragement, but I’d disagree with the poster yesterday who complained that you air your Trade-Carey position too often. Although I remain undecided, I believe it’s a wholly valid position, worthy of consideration, that your arguments are strong, and that you regularly tailor how you present those arguments in order to suit the context of whatever’s being discussed on the thread at the time.

      • Le Revenant says:

        I’ll second point 2), Gerry.

        I strenuously disagree with your foolhardy scenario, but I’ll fight to the death to defend your right to float your cockamamie scheme.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Any news from your fellow provincial HIO exile? I miss my No. 5 avatar. (And I thought by provoking him on the current US president I might persuade him to borrow a new identity from Front’s family, say, a cousin for example. But no.)

          • Le Revenant says:

            Shoot me an email and I’ll pass along your good wishes. I tried to talk him into a cunning plan to sidestep the mods, but he’s defiantly refused, talk about honour and all that malarkey.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:

        Thanks.

        Actually, I probably do air my trade Carey idea too often, but that’s because I see pretty much all discussion here is aimed at improving our team, and I happen to think that trading Carey is the start of all that.

        Not that Carey’s the problem, but his upcoming contract means it’s just that much harder for MB to pay for goals. The paucity of talent means that trading Carey for goals just makes sense. He’s supposedly got superstar value, and there’s no arguing he’s at his peak now, and can only decline from here. Carey’s age and injury history means that trading him for goals might not be only prudent, but actually turn out to be prescient.

        So thanks for opening the door again 🙂

        I don’t think it will happen, so HIO need not worry. But don’t you think it’s telling that MB would trade PK and supposedly now listen to offers on Chucky, yet would rather have an aging Price, Markov, Pleks, and Weber on board? I get the “character” factor, but it seems to me the organization as a whole needs to learn how to manage/co-exist with talented players that can help you win… Look at the Preds, Cup finalists with “problem” players like Neal, Johansen, and PK on board…talent matters, and young talent may be immature, but usually also hungrier…

    • Le Revenant says:

      I tried a quick Google but couldn’t come up with a link. My answer is that the Standard Player Contract has taken away a lot of the flexibility in player contracts.

      Correct me if I’m wrong, HIO, but bonuses are only allowed on Entry Level and veteran contracts, for players who sign on the cheap and outperform their deals. Most p (P)layers on a SPC don’t have bonus clauses written in, what they sign for is what they get, minus escrow adjustments. And even for the players who do have bonuses, the achievements needed and triggers for these clauses to be paid out are regulated, you can’t be creative there either.

      This was done by Gary Bettman to ensure teams are on an even footing for salary cap purposes. One team could offer a job for the spouse, or a free car, free lodging, those kinds of inducement that could be difficult to quantify, and would allow the Torontos to outbid the Tampas. Now, it’s all about the straight cash, homie.

  31. CowanS says:

    Why would anyone care about PK’S fashion sense? Jeezus, it’s been an entire year since the trade. Let it go.

  32. adamkennelly says:

    I would support a Galchenyuk for Drouin trade straight up but not + a 1st to get it done.

    you know who else would support that trade….Chucky!

    • marvin20 says:

      Drouin a smaller unproven player WOW I don’t understand the obsession with this guy. Another HIO folk hero
      https://www.nhl.com/player/jonathan-drouin-8477494
      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130582

      • krob1000 says:

        It is a preference of obsession.,…would rather be forced to deal with a management obsession of a player like Drouin over the years we endured of DD and now Danault. It seems by default the top line center role will go to a Francophone regardless so make it someone with 60 plus point potential. That simple. What I don’t understand is the complacency on a site as intense as HIO on this issue….a site that picks apart everyone’s game but goes right along for the most part with these continuous charades putting guys in roles that benefit an image but hurt the team….I am done with it…..pay through the nose and get Drouin…or someone that can carry that torch and not drag down the teams offense, top line, pp, morale,etc….

        I feel bad for those guys….they do not ask for it….but wow….embarrassing….for kicks last year I used to ask fans of other teams who the HAbs first line center was….NOBODY that was not a HAbs fan …NOBODY ..ever said Danault. When I told them most did not know who he was…why would they? he produced like a middle of the pack third liner in a role that should be 55-60 points just by default.

  33. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Meanwhile, GSW still debating internally whether or not to go to the White House if invited.

    Trump still debating whether or not to invite them.

    Well I know what HiS — whose avatar I use in solidarity — would say! And since he’s muzzled for now, let me say with delight in my eye, I sure as hell hope they don’t go! Or that they’re not invited! Either way The Donald loses.

    Sorry Chris! That was mean of me!

    http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/autres-sports/basketball/201706/14/01-5107503-les-warriors-debattront-dune-eventuelle-visite-a-la-maison-blanche.php

  34. Le Revenant says:

    U.S. Open starts today, but with no Tiger Woods in the field, and no Roy McAvoy, it’s just not the same, not sure I’ll want to watch, even on Sunday.

    ———————————————————————–
    Liberate HabitantinSur rey, HIO’s stubborn schismatist! Occupy Stu Cowan’s office!

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  35. Ian Cobb says:

    Bob Lemieux
    17 hrs

    CON-POST: June 14, 2017

    HEADLINE

    “Sidney Crosby: A disgrace to Canada’s Maritime population!”

    Editorial:

    CSG is proud of our friends who not only interact with our communications but offer critical analysis of our thoughts and challenge us to explain our thinking or support it with additional documentation and not simple hyperbole. Ryan Poepke, our Southern California correspondent is one of our loyal friends.

    This challenge came following our Post June 11, 2017 when we referred to Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby as a “Wether.”

    Our position was simple: “Crosby has done the hockey playing children of North America a serious disservice by continuing to play following his most recent brain damaging injuries.

    Ryan’s position is well defined and correct……if the decision to play, made by Crosby, the Penguins owners and team medical professionals, was 15 years ago.

    However in this day and age information, research data and acknowledged post playing career degenerative brain disease in contact sport athletes afflictions is at epidemic levels. Therefore Crosby was wrong!

    For the record the avarice of owners, promoters and participants in contact sports was governed by terms like, “you got to take one for the team,” or “you are to valuable to us not to play,” or another “get back out there you just got ‘your bell rung, shake-it-off'” are no longer acceptable!

    CTE and degenerative brain diseases are nothing knew to sports:

    In 1928 a forensic pathologist, Dr. Harrison Stanford Martland, who was the chief medical examiner of Essex County in Newark, New Jersey, in a Journal of the American Medical Association article, he noted the tremors, slowed movement, confusion, and speech problems typical of the condition.

    In 1973, a group led by J. A. Corsellis described the typical neuropathological findings of DP after post-mortem examinations of the brains of 15 former boxers.

    In 2002 Dr. Bennett Omalu’s autopsy of former Pittsburgh Steelers player Mike Webster led to the re-emergence of awareness of a neurologic condition associated with chronic head trauma called chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, which had been previously described in boxers.

    In March of 2016, the N.F.L.’s senior vice president for health and safety policy, Jeff Miller, testified before congress that the NFL now believed that there was a link between Football and CTE.

    To confirm the medical findings of researchers to that point:

    In April of 2016 the Court of Appeals in Philadelphia ruled the NFL was liable for approximately $1 Billion to former players involved in a class action law suit filed against it in 2013.

    One paragraph in the 69 page settlement document read: “This settlement will provide nearly $1 billion in value to the class of retired players. It is a testament to the players, researchers and advocates who have worked to expose the true human costs of a sport so many love. Though not perfect, it is fair.”

    If the NFL settlement was not enough, the NCAA, the major college athletic association in the USA was also sued and settled for $70 million in damages, while at the youth football level the Pop Warner Football Association settled its first concussion law suit for “less than $2 million,” with the league stating “The family is not allowed to speak about the suit or the 87-year-old organization under the terms of the settlement, which will be sealed, the source added.”

    There are more but contact sports are admitting, even though a clause in their settlement agreements denies any wrongdoing by them.

    And maybe their right? Maybe, at the pro level or the Sidney Crosby level, who has an apparent net worth of $55 million, why should he give two hoots in hell for anyone else?

    Why should he?

    Because he is a role model, he knows the impact his continuing to play will have on the mind set of over zealous parents and coaches, who continue to feed their children and chattels to the “dogs of greed” in the name of manhood.

    But as CSG originally stated, Sidney Crosby is nothing more than a “Wether!”

    So Ryan I hope you understand why today’s athlete and high profile role model has a far greater responsibility to the youth of tomorrow, than they do to the avarice of today!

    And Sidney Crosby who graduated from Harrison Trimble High School, in Moncton, New Brunswick, not far from this author, is a disgrace to the usually sensible people of Canada’s Maritime Provinces.
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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks, Ian.
      I share your deep concern on this. There are a lot of facts in this article that the masters of NFL, NHL, rugby and other contact sports don’t want the public to know or accept. However, I don’t think the tactic of attacking a player is a wise one.

      Did you by any chance get to listen to Omalu’s livestream from Dublin which I posted here last week?

    • ColdComfort says:

      It’s this article that’s the disgrace. Does the author know anything about Crosby’s medical condition? He must, I guess, as he’s so free with his expert opinion. Besides, he’s from NB near to where Sid went to HS!

      Boxing is not hockey and neither is football. The facts in the NHL lawsuit will be similar but not identical to the NFL one.

      All that being said I think it likely, but I don’t know the details, that the NHL cannot admit liability or settle the CTE thing. It can’t afford it.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I reckon hockey can save itself, mostly by enforcing the rules properly and by somehow eliminating league interference in game officiating.

        Football can’t. Rugby could be in trouble as well.

      • New says:

        The article isn’t a disgrace it is an opinion piece by their editor.

        It means nothing other than the editor holds that opinion. The holes in the logic are obvious.

        If you watch the CBC news, CNN, any of them carefully you will notice they have a common thread. They seldom identify where fact and conjecture separate. Got a panel, great let’s hear their opinion’s on the subject du jour.

        Crosby for instance has a long record of concussions? Or does he? Broken jaw with concussion like symptoms until healed. Broken neck that went undiagnosed and caused recurring concussion like symptoms. Did he even have a concussion? Or did they hold him out just in case? The editor doesn’t have the faintest idea, just an opinion.

        Most people don’t have the time or inclination to form an accurate opinion on an issue, so we take one. This is a sin of our times because there have never in history been so many poor opinions broadcast into our faces.

        There was a fire in London and the news asked a fire chief (Toronto?) what was the cause of such a disaster. Like a professional he responded with words to the effect that his peers in London would be asking the same question and would methodically determine the actual answers, and that it would be inappropriate of him at such a distance to even speculate.

        The media and individuals are under no such restraint. So they spout opinions. It is no longer news so much as views.

    • krob1000 says:

      Ridiculous

    • Loop_G says:

      One reason that I was glad Crosby won both the cup as well as the Conn Smyth was that it secures his legacy and hopefully makes him more comfortable with a decision to retire if needs to. I would much rather see him retire than keep getting hurt.

      That said, there is no reasonable excuse for attacking Crosby’s decision to keep playing, or calling him an embarrassment or any other such thing. He is responsible to make his own decisions and it is the responsibility of leagues, coaches and management to educate players. If Sidney takes a lead role in concussion awareness, good for him, but we have no right to force it on him.

  36. Luke says:

    Yes. That noise you just heard was Bergy squealing with delight:

    http://www.tsn.ca/avalanche-opt-to-buy-out-d-beauchemin-1.779892

    AND I QUOTE:

    The 37-year-old scored five goals and added 13 assists in 81 games with the last-place Avalanche this season.

  37. New says:

    When you look at what the Habs were before the purge and now under Bergevin you see a rebuilt organization, from office to farm, and incremental changes inching the team towards that magical place called better.

    But anyone can also see that the core of the team is not being replaced. Paul Byron was a waiver pickup and Radu was a UFA with certain doubts. Good calls? You bet. Recipe for success? Ingredient maybe.

    But we don’t have the questions we used to have. Remember Pac bouncing up and down, Cary vs Halak, Subban coming up from the AHL to fill in for injury, Gallagher not scoring but being the delight of camp before being sent back to junior?

    Instead of asking when is player X going to make it we are now wondering why player X isn’t making it.

    As fans we’re down to hoping Radu re-signs, hoping they can get Price signed, hoping they can get the equivalent of Galchenyuk and Beaulieu back in trade if they aren’t going to utilize either, and wondering why it is that the team goes out and trades assets or futures for journeymen players.

    Whenever there is change there is angst. Perhaps our angst reflects a large change about to occur with the Habs.

    I wonder if it is going to be a tumble into the bottom tier of the League or a climb into the top tier after 25 years of hype?

  38. on2ndthought says:

    Funny how Subban gets points for being style conscious and Begevin gets mocked for being ‘GQ’.

  39. Luke says:

    Bergevin must be absolutely giddy at the possibility Cal Foote will be available when he picks. I’m sure Timmins isn’t, but a 6’4″ Defenseman whose dad played the Right Way in the NHL…

    Impossible to let that opportunity pass…

    Might have to trade up to get him… but what are those two second rounders for?

    • Captain aHab says:

      That or draft a goalie for the ECHL team.

      —————-
      Drop da puck already!

    • on2ndthought says:

      If he is available (he won’t be), Bergevin won’t have much choice.

    • Le Revenant says:

      I would be very surprised, and very disappointed, if he was the Canadiens’ pick on Friday. If he fell all the way down to our turn to speak again in the second round, then sure, but personally, I’d pick nothing but centremen by then. I had this idea a while back, and came up with this plan, to pick nothing but centremen, come hell or high water.

      • Luke says:

        I like your plan. This plan of drafting only centres. I could even be convinced to support it in an online forum.

        Marc should trade the 25th and the two second rounders for the 24th pick and grab centre, and star, Rob Thomas.

        • Le Revenant says:

          I castigated Johnny LaRue, or some other tomato can, when he floated that idea. There’s no way we’re drafting that shameful crooner and his offensively-bland mush of adult contemporary Muzak.

  40. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Cal!
    I retched a little when I read this.

    “If he’s a Lafleur, turn him into Lemaire. It’s the same old BS.”

    God help us if that’s what we’re doing.

    • Luke says:

      It might not be making a Lafleur into a Lemaire, but rather a Modano into a Modano or a Yzerman into a Yzerman. (An Yzerman?)

      You just can’t be a poor defensive player and play centre in the NHL. It’s not a new story. Datsyuk probably could have score 20 or 30 more points a season if he took that effort he put into his 2-way game and applied it 100% to the offense… but he didn’t because he was smarter than that.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Solid point.
        So was there special dispensation for Lafleur? Or the supporting cast was so exceptionally strong that it didn’t matter.
        History question — I was too young then to pick up on such nuances.

        • Luke says:

          So was I.

          But Lafleur wasn’t a centre and he was an exceptional talent. Amongst the best offensive players, if not the best, in the league at the time. All that said, It’s a different league, now.

          Galchenyuk isn’t one of the best five or ten offensive players in the game, so the leash is shorter. If he is expected to be a top line centre, he needs to play well consistently, be defensively sound (not perfect, but above average), win faceoffs and also put up points. A lot to ask, but that’s what you need to do.

          The target for Galchenyuk should be to replicate Scheifele’s game.

          If Galchenyuk gets the nod as the top centre, it is only going to get tougher for him. The Top Checkers and Shuttiest-Down of Defenseman will be on him all night, every night. And, yah… with different sets of wingers when things aren’t working some nights, or some weeks.

          Scheifele… that’s the end goal for Alex.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Thanks Luke. All agreed.

            And it’s as good a moment as any to drop in an uninformed, inexpert personal perception that I confess to being unable to ignore when it comes to Galchenyuk (whom I like and want us to keep): he still looks like a boy out there. A bit wide-eyed, not very rugged, almost delicate. Hopefully I am completely mistaken. But for comparison, cf McDavid and Matthews, both of whom — even setting ridiculous skill sets aside — seemed to arrive 100% ready to play with the biggest and baddest of the big boys.

        • Captain aHab says:

          The supporting cast was exceptional. It could have been the main cast on a lot of teams. And having the Big Three and Dryden back there didn’t hurt. That team scored at will.

          —————-
          Drop da puck already!

  41. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I am just shocked there hasn’t been any trades yet. If there isn’t anything then teams have to be paying LV not to take certain players.

    On a side note I hope the NHL films McPhee from the time the lists are given to the time the selections are made. It is going to be the busiest 2 days ever of a NHL GM. It would be interesting to watch.

    • on2ndthought says:

      I’ve got a feeling every GM has their irons in the fire. The biggest domino will fall (or time will be running short), and then a whirlwind before Friday (at noon?).

      I guess all trade activity involving exposed players must cease during the ‘LV window’?

      The real question is “what is the biggest domino?”.

      In order, I have McKinnon, Galchenyuk, Drouin; but I’m missing the Wild, Ducks, and NSH defence.

    • New says:

      Washington acquired a Bergevin’s ballpark type center (Graovac) to expose in the draft and thereby protect another regular.

      I don’t think that other than finding someone for Vegas to draft that teams are as worried about the expansion as the press is.

    • Habby_Haberton says:

      NHL asked Vegas to save trades for the draft (they’re trying to make a show of it) but other teams can trade now.

  42. CaliHabFan says:

    The information I have is that the Seguin issue was not on CJ. The word out of the Boston community is that the issue was about what he was doing with teammates’ wives and Cam had to do something.

  43. Ozmodiar says:

    I could see MB doing something like:
    Galchenyuk + for Giroux

    I would like to see him do something like:
    Pacioretty for Reinhart

    Younger, cheaper.

    Max will be 30 when he signs his new contract. In the 1st scenario, he and Giroux would combine for ~ 16M in cap. Max, Giroux, Weber, Price, Rads(?) … all 30 and above. Not enough youth in this scenario.

    Gotta run the team a bit like a ‘bond ladder’, have players with varying maturities. 🙂

    In the latter scenario, you’d have a 21 year old center (he’s a good 2 way player already) with a 23 year old winger. A good complement to the vets on the team. Chucky + Reinhart cap hit would be ~ 10M, so you could add another key player when Pleks leaves.

    My point isn’t about these specific players: Reinhart, Giroux, rather strategy, generally speaking.

  44. piper says:

    There are lots of young top line players in the league that party a bit too much. I’d take them on my team any day.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      They’d just better be a ‘top line player’.
      Otherwise, not worth the hassle.
      Lafleur, for example, was worth it.

    • on2ndthought says:

      There are guys who party, puke on the sideline or in the dressing room; and play their butts off. There are guys who party and call in sick, or are feeble. I’ll take the former, not the latter.

      • Mmmich says:

        Eliminating the “party” aspect from your comment doesn’t change its meaning:

        There are guys who puke on the sideline or in the dressing room; and play their butts off. There are guys who call in sick, or are feeble. I’ll take the former, not the latter.

        It all goes back to players who hate to lose. Pukin’ or not, they come to play!

      • ColdComfort says:

        The late Rick Macleish. Had a happy ending too. He sobered up and lived a good life after hockey.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Well there is a veteran whom the Habs are trying to sign long term who just got divorced supposedly because he still likes to party. All this off-ice talk is garbage. The only thing that should ever count is performance on the ice, in practice and in the gym.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Almost agree, unless it’s akin to what was alleged following Seguin’s departure from Boston. Some antics create enough poison to disrupt a team.

      • Habby_Haberton says:

        I don’t think he got divorced for the partying, I think it was what he was doing – and with whom – while partying.

  45. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Is there a cement-head hall of fame for Neil?

    • Mavid says:

      You would think so with all the comments about him. Classy..and one of the all time favorite Sens players..good grief..he was a 4th line wanna be fighter… If we are going to go there why not sign Prusty again..he can play and fight better..and he doesn’t act like an A hole..

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      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        And his inspired, spontaneous summary of Paul MacLean.

        • Mavid says:

          that was classic..

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  46. Mavid says:

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Steve. Ya know, it’s not just about the debate about moving forward or backward for me. The on ice product was just plain boring the last two seasons. The number of games where I was entertained could be counted on one hand.

      The thing is I don’t even know who to blame for it anymore. I’m absolutely positive that the current group of players just aren’t good enough to provide a high enough skill level to produce the kind of game I’m aching to see.

      I’m absolutely certain that Coach Pee on the bus and his predecessor, Coach have a Donut are also to blame. There seemingly goals of winning games 0 to -1 produce the cure for insomnia.

      I’m absolutely certain Bettman and his entourage make their fair share of contribution here as well. In search of every last nickle the talent level is so spread out we’re forced to watch players who shouldn’t touch the ice in an NHL game play important minutes for their respected teams.

      And in that same vein, GMGQ has become an expert at adding those borderline NHL players to his roster.

      I have little hope for the immediate future of our team. I’m convinced that our GM is not the one to properly build a true cup contender. His end of the year press conference from a season ago, you remember the one where the three leaders stood together and told us everything is great while choosing a dinosaur of a coach over his teams second best player, was topped by this years end of the year conference where he told the world how tough his job is.

      I’ve read many here speak about their excitement about this off season. Not me. Not one iota. The truth be told, I’m terrified what this guy could do.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        A lot of truth to what you say. I’ll always be a Habs fan but I get the Center Ice package to see if I can find an exciting game to watch. Edmonton, Nashville and ewww Toronto seem to be able to play some exciting hockey these days. Call me crazy but I think hockey, sports in general, should entertain. I’d rather lose an entertaining 6-5 game than win a 1-0 snoozefest. And yes I realize that a 1-0 game can be plenty exciting. Generally speaking, not if shots are under twenty on both sides, however. Personally, I don’t care if Weber is better than Subban or who won the trade. PK was fun.
        You can blame Bettman and the NHL and I do a little but even so some teams manage to make things interesting.

        It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. – Mark Twain

      • Cal says:

        The problem with the Habs is the sold out rink and the tons of swag they sell. There’s no incentive to go for it. They finish most years in a poor position to draft high and never make moves to either move up or actually make a play for an impact player. Management is more worried about a player “scandal” instead of winning.
        You’re right, Jim. This Habs team is dull as dishwater.
        I see the Habs moving Galchenyuk and Beaulieu for lesser players that will be sold to us as solid NHLers and I see Sergachev being rushed in. Radulov would be stupid not to wait for July 1st offers, so I expect him to be in Dallas to give them 2 scoring lines.
        All is good in Habs management world. The team is getting $16.6 mil to give up a plug to Vegas and the team will likely sell out again while the Habs’ chance of winning a Cup depends on every other team’s best players all having season-ending injuries.

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          Yep. They’ve turned into the Leafs of old.

          It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. – Mark Twain

          • on2ndthought says:

            No, they haven’t. If Molson only cared about the bottom line, the farm team would still be in Hamilton, the team would practice at the Bell center, which would have the original boards, etc, etc, etc…

          • Cal says:

            When Danault is deemed to be the #1 center on an NHL team, that team is in trouble.
            When optimists keep mentioning that Pleks’ last season was an anomaly, that team is in trouble.

            Collect draft picks. Use them to get offensive-minded centers. Take the time to develop them without ever throwing them under the bus. The reason the Habs don’t have anything much at center is their management organization. If he’s a Lafleur, turn him into Lemaire. It’s the same old BS.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            The only reason the AHL is in Laval is because they got the arena for nothing. They are going to make a profit. If not, they wouldn’t be there.

        • Lapointe says:

          Cal you probably posted out of frustration on the team and its seemingly “stuck in the middle of the pack quarter of a century” now it seems. Truthfully though it is because they just don’t have the management talent. They can’t win at the AHL level and that will be the ingredient that tells us that finally something is going to be positive going forward. Look if you are going to be successful you have to have a good solid feeder team and they don’t and haven’t for awhile now. So Cal if just getting by because the rink is full and they make loads of money why wouldn’t there be incentive to play all those extra games that a long run in the playoffs would bring and make even more money. No they are falling behind due to the upper management style and lack of knowledge.

          • on2ndthought says:

            Some AHL teams are run to make a profit; so there are lots of ‘hired guns’, older players just below NHL level. Development is secondary to these teams.

            That said, St-John’s made the playoffs this year. The slow, steady improvement should continue.

        • Loop_G says:

          That’s not true for a bunch of reasons. The habs sell out now, the only way to increase revenue is to play more home playoff games, and they spend to the cap anyway, so there is no incentive to not go for it.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:

        HF10912, you have a superbly accurate take on all of it, IMO.

        MB is a “manager” in the worst sense of the word, not a visionary or builder.

        And the longer Molson lets him have the reins, the harder it will be for the next GM to undo the damage.

    • on2ndthought says:

      An early exit in the playoffs will do that. We just need to get better next year, and let the chips fall where they may. How?

      1. Re-sign Radulov; or replace him with Oshie. A team that struggles to score needs the play driving Rads, or the finisher Osjie (a damn fine player, if a bit small). Both would be amazing.

      2. Graduate Schebak, Hudon, McCarron (full time). Change the nature of our bottom six. If Sergachev graduates, let him play.

      3. Bounce back year from Plek.

      4. Continued development from Chuck, Lehkonen.

      My concern is not directly with MB, it is with the coach he hired, Julien. Seguin and Hamilton are on CJ. I don’t want Sergachev and Galchenyuk to join them.

      • piper says:

        o2t, I admire your optimism but how many times do you need to be kicked in the clankers before you’ve had enough of the guy kicking you?

      • Mmmich says:

        I wholeheartedly agree with on2ndthought’s comments. Why can’t he be GM?

        I think 1. is obvious to everyone and their goat. But I lean heavily towards the Radulov resigning. Imagine him with a great center, someone like Galchenyuk, but who plays to his potential instead!

        I think the essential of what he’s saying in 2 is out with the old, in with the new. This team has relied too far too long on defensively sound veterans. That’s fine, but we’ve had too many over the years, at the expense of holding our prospects back and letting them toil away in the AHL. Hudon, Scherbak, McCarron and Sergachev should all be given spots at the NHL level, at the expense of Flynn and Martinsen. Yes they’ll make mistakes, but they have 82 games to figure it out. If they only play 12 games, they don’t figure it out, and are of no use to the team. Look at what the Maple Leafs team did this past year. They sucked for the first half of the season, then all those young players figured it out in the second half, and they were the best team down the stretch. And I hate to say it, but they were really exciting to watch (or annoying, depending who you were rooting for).

        3. I have no faith in this happening.

        4. Yes!

    • Ozmodiar says:

      O’Neill: I think that team’s a mess.

      🙂

  47. Habnormal says:

    It’s a given that Price signs a long term deal. He hides many team flaws and allows MB to look good. For MB to not sign him would be suicidal. He will pay Price whatever it takes. That is the certain starting point. That means Price plus Weber tie up around 20 per cent of the team’s cap space. I’m not sure how this leads the team to substantial success or improvement moving forward with that math as a starting point. 20 other players need to be signed/ paid and only 80 per cent of cap money is left to do so. 50 million for 20 players or an average of $2.5 million per remaining player buys you a lot of Flynns, Mitchells and Martinsens and few Radulovs. The good news is Davidson plus Benn plus Markov (4 ish) combined will likely be less than Weber in 2017/18. Tie in Petry and Sergachev and the payroll on D sits at somewhere near $24 million. Add 1-2 million for the back up goalie. That leaves around $35 million for 12 forwards. Projected and actual salaries: Pleks (6), Radulov (6) Gallagher (4) MaxPac (4.5) and Galchenyuk (6) and Shaw (5) are $31 or $32 million if my math is correct. So how do you pay Lekhonen, Byron and 4 other starters a combined $4 million? The math does not add up as it stands even WITHOUT adding a top 6 feee agent or trade. Am I missing something? I’m assuming the cap is around $70 million or so.

  48. Rad says:

    How about this Lipanov kid with one of our 2nd Rounders? 6 foot playmaking center from Russia with leadership skills, Captain of their Under 18 team at the World Junior A Challenge in Canada last year where they won bronze. Sounds like a good 2-way player, good in the dot, etc.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/sleeper-picks-alexei-lipanov-has-a-little-bit-of-jonathan-toews-in-him

  49. PK says:

    Just watch Galchenyuk score 45 goals and a 110 points with the likes of McKinnon.

    At that point, the Habs will be in full Rejean Houle mode.

  50. charmenian says:

    it’s gotta be galchenyuk’s partying…
    why else would you want to get rid of a 23 yr old player, albeit underachieving, who is an every 4 game goal scorer in his career?
    he’s already shown you that he’ll succeed with minimal player development so why not properly maximize his potential?

    • SmartDog says:

      Two words: Tyler Seguin

      Habs would be stupid to trade away a young guy for being a little bit wild. Of course, there’s a history of doing stupid things like that.

      ————————————-
      With Marc Bergevin’s leadership:
      The “C” stands for Cronyism.
      The “H” stands for Hubris.

  51. jimmy shaker says:

    Can’t wait for MB to sign Neil on July 1st, he will help keep Radulov, Kovalchuk and Chucky skating fancy free.

    Shaker out!

    • SmartDog says:

      Please, not old frying-pan-face.

      ————————————-
      With Marc Bergevin’s leadership:
      The “C” stands for Cronyism.
      The “H” stands for Hubris.

    • Mavid says:

      I was wondering how long it would be before someone suggested we pick up that old washed up goof..how many times have I read on here that all we get are 4th line puds..and yet there it is..Chris Neil..a classless..half assed player and fighter..to people honestly think anyone is intimidated by him..even in his early days…waste of space..

      º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

      Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

      • toneez says:

        Mavid,
        Sorry to correct you here but the Neal they are talking about is James Neal of the Predators… not Chris Neil of the Senators , James wont be able to be protected by Nashville and will be available and is still quite good and we can use him as for Chris well he is retiring …
        Just to clear that up for you …

        Many Cheers !!!

        All Habs all the Time

        • Mavid says:

          He spelt it Neil not Neal..he also commented on this player allowing the other players to skate freely..I think its the same one I am talking about

          º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

          Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

          • toneez says:

            Well Mavid , I could be wrong but why in the world would Bergy go after a player that has retired ? especially a washed up pud as you describe him , no I believe that he just spelled the name wrong Chris Neil has retired , but James Neal still has a few goals left In him and quite frankly he would not cost that much and maybe Poile will let Bergy have him even cheaper since he without a doubt got the best in the PK / Weber trade he owes us a solid as Dennis Rodman would say …

            Many Cheers Mavid

            All Habs all the Time

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      In Irish, ‘nil’ (pronounced Neil/Neal) means, NO.

  52. Commandant says:

    At this point Chucky and Drouin are basically the same player. Don’t know why we’d need to add a first.

    Go Habs Go!

    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Agree. Also would acquire him to play with Chucky. They would have chemistry IMO.

    • krob1000 says:

      The reason I have brought up Drouin a million times is because of the priority the organization has made clear with respect to having a local in top role….instead of continuous square peg into round holing just go out and get a legitimate top line Francophone who can handle the role and produce. I had never seen anything as blatant as the DD situation in Montreal and thought it was so over the top it actually angered me……and then Danault happened and I threw in the towel….just get it over with and get a player who satisfies the requirements AND can play the role….willing to overpay short term to stop the trickle down effect the past moves have had on top liners, the teams pp and the development of other players…..yeah I know I am going to be told there is nothing to it….sorry I don’t buy it.

      • habcertain says:

        I don’t think this is as prevalent as it once was, actually francophone players are not so eager either to face the pressure. I think Vinny made that pretty clear.

        • krob1000 says:

          That is added beauty of Drouin….no choice at this stage of career if traded
          The misuse of DD and Danult (not their fault) has IMO actually had major impact negatively on team….this is my view of it anyways….I cannot see how it could not bother the players but that will never be said….anyways I understand the history, the culture, the business…..but it still ticks me off….if those things are that important then pay for them and get someone who satisfies all the needs…..including benefitting the team and other players and chances of success for everyone.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        From a marketing standpoint, I have been thinking about this trade for quite awhile. A francophone star would take some pressure off the franchise, I think. Even if it doesn’t solve the C problem, it’s a fair one-for-one swap IMO. Which means it probably won’t happen.

  53. DipsyDoodler says:

    Drouin for one of Anaheim’s top 4 D. That’s the deal.

    —–

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Depends if Yzerman is looking for RH or LH. Yzerman tried to acquire Shattenkirk already. A similar player IMO is Tyson Barrie in Colorado. A reunion of Drouin with McKinnon is a no-brainer IMO.

      I also like the NYI if they resign Tavares. They have young NHL players that could interest Yzerman.

  54. on2ndthought says:

    On a side note, Bergevin has traded away two of our first round picks from this decade!! (Leblanc and Tinordi)

    OTOH, he has acquired two first round picks from the same time frame. (Matteau and Danault)

  55. habcertain says:

    I still find it mind boggling that in our quest to find a 30 goal centre man, we would trade our only 30 goal centre man. let’s hope CJ makes this works and we are not a victim of the Sequin result.

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      That is why Alex Galchenyuk is an enigma, as much as a problem for Marc Bergevin. His case is the same with Tyler Seguin. To me, I like for him to stay if there is no decent trade. Bite the bullet with AG27 by signing him and help him develop his defensive game. Why waste time looking for a possible trade if that one specific need, according to MB, is just difficult to get?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The problem is that we have no clue what the contract situation is with Chucky. He just might not want to sign here more than two years (until UFA). MB might be in a position where he has no choice but to trade him.

  56. GrimJim says:

    I just read that the NHL is expected to release the 2017-18 schedule next week. Is it just me or is this earlier than previous years?

  57. marvin20 says:

    Arnou Ruelle
    I don’t even own a play station LOL but to summarize the past 300 posts mostly of proposals involving the other gm hanging up in laughter or involve mb getting fired and being comited on a form 1

  58. marvin20 says:

    I asked this question early. What is the fasination with Drouin on this site? How good is he? Or is he the HIO golden boy/folk hero? He is small and unproven by looking at his stats

    • Luke says:

      Drouin is an interesting case.
      A couple of years ago he was a bust and a wasted pick. He was sent back to Junior while Seth Jones was playing in Nashville. Obviously Tampa picked the wrong guy! A product of playing with MacKinnon!!

      Then he played his rookie year. Nice, but not spectacular.
      Then the drama and a very good playoffs and a 20 goals 50 point season last season. So he’s a stud again…

      I don’t know. He’s pretty skilled, but he’s not what the team needs. They need a centre, not another skilled, non-physical winger.

      Is he good? yep. Great? Maybe.
      Yzerman whiffed. He should have taken Monahan instead.

      But, Drouin’s a sexy name to talk about during the off season…

      • JohnInTruro says:

        He is a damn good player. Some of, if not, the best highlight package of any player from last year.

      • Arnou Ruelle says:

        Based on some of the reports, the Lightning are looking for a stud defenseman. If Steve Yzerman will look for a trade, it will be either Anaheim or Minnesota.

        I love to see Drouin here, but I doubt he’ll come to Mtl. and possibly he’s already picked up before MB could even ask for a trade.

  59. marvin20 says:

    Arnou Ruelle
    Go back check the past 300 posts or get a play station. LMFAO !!!

  60. Luke says:

    Chicago paid first for VerMEHette. Different market conditions nowadays, but certainly Tomas is worth something to someone. A couple 2nds?

    1) Load up on Picks.
    2) Draft centres!
    4) Stanley Cup parade!

    Yaaaaaay!

    • JohnInTruro says:

      Was that 3 ideas or 4 Luke? I can’t decide.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Me. I’m the someone.

      —–

    • Chris says:

      In 2014-15, Vermette was a 31 year old center with 13 G and 35 PTS in 63 games and had won 56% of his faceoffs. He was coming off 24 goals and 45 points in 82 games in 2013-14, again with a 56% success rate on faceoffs. At the time, he was a relatively cheap $3.75 M cap hit, making him easy to add to a cap constrained contender at the deadline.

      Tomas Plekanec will be coming off 10 G and 28 PTS in 78 games to go with a 51.2% success rate in faceoffs, the first time in 4 seasons he was above 50%. Plekanec is a very good defensive forward, but he will be 35 years old at the deadline and has a cap hit of $6 M this year, where many teams could be tighter against a stagnant salary cap.

      I just don’t think Plekanec has the trade deadline value that many on here think. He looked pretty much done as a top-6 forward over his last ~130 regular season games, despite a decent (at least by his own very low bar) playoffs. The idea is that Las Vegas can afford to carry Plekanec for 5 months to deal him at the deadline for a 1st or 2nd round pick. I contend that there are plenty of more valuable centres that they can choose from on other teams. More importantly, Why are we applying that argument to Plekanec, but not Emelin?

      Defenceman have big value at the trade deadline as well. Emelin is also is a pending UFA who is 4 years younger and $1.9 M cheaper than Plekanec. If you expose them both, I believe that Vegas picks Emelin long before they consider the albatross cap hit of Plekanec.

  61. PK says:

    Drouin for Beaulieu and this year’s Habs first rounder.

    Or Juulsen plus a couple of picks
    for Drouin.

    I would try to hang on to Sergachev.

  62. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Being the rumour mill from TSN 690, I don’t see the logic why Alex Galchenyuk be traded to Philly and we get Claude Giroux. Tony is ‘probably’ making some name that is passing through this discussion. CG also has a NMC (according to Captain aHab), which is fine, let him stay with the Flyers, I don’t want him here! Granted Pierre McGuire may be talking about player x (that is Giroux), then he’s right, MB is making a big mistake.

    There are other players in the league where I believe Galchenyuk can be a fit to be traded with.

    Any ideas here guys on who should be ‘that’ player/centre the Habs can take for a trade with Galchenyuk?


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