Woeful and unworthy of a champion

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Depressing photo of victorious Tim Thomas and Zdeno Chara by Brian Snyder/Reuters

Say this for the Boston Bruins:
They’ve showed up and played hard for six games of the Stanley Cup final.
Vancouver on the other hand …

How many Cup winners have had their goaltender yanked twice (and counting) in the finals?

How many have been stomped three times on the road?

How many score eight goals in six games?

On the other hand, a Canadian team has never lost Game 7 at home in the finals.

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434 Comments

  1. chilli says:

    As a few have mentioned, I as well have changed my opinion and actually want Boston to win. Yes folks, my 2nd least favorite team in all of sports (after the Leafs) to win the cup for one reason and one reason only: Tim Thomas. The one person on the ice that deserves this thing. Vancouver doesn’t deserve it.
    And I just want it over with. The fact that I am watching the Ryder vs. Lappierre Stanley Cup finals is so lame. Let’s get it done with so we can talk about really exciting and fun stuff…. like who is gonna play with Moen next season.

    Tre

    • Chorske says:

      This has been the most unpleasant, exasperating final in my lifetime. I cannot recall a final series where both teams were so unworthy- such a huge change from last year’s awesome, exciting finish. Say what you want about the Philthy Flyers, they put the bullshit aside and brought their a-game to a great final last year. This year, the Bruins have continued to play a crap, boring, violent game– and the Nucks have sunk to their level instead of building on their strengths. SO I agree, I want this shitty horrible series over with so we can move on to next year.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      On both sides there are many individuals who deserve the win, and many who don’t. Ryan Kesler hasn’t been himself since the San Jose series and has shown a great deal of heart and grit playing injured. Malhotra came back from a serious injury, showing toughness and a competitive spirit. Luongo, for all his horrible play in Boston, showed the tenacity and confidence to rebound and shut out the Bruins after letting in twelve goals in two games.

      Moreover, both teams have shown the ability to collectively persevere in the face of losing players (the Canucks only have four top six forwards at this point and have a depleted blue-line).

      I could go on, rattling off individual and collective displays of heart and will on both sides (and giving many examples of the exact opposite) but to say that Tim Tom is the only guy on either team deserving of the win is a vast overstatement.

      I do have to agree with your final conclusion, however. I’ve had my fill of Habs-less hockey for the year. Let’s get on to the entry draft already.

    • habstrinifan says:

      “like who is gonna play with Moen next season.” Frankly I dont give a darn who the Manitoba Falcons put on Moen’s line….. after the trade…

  2. TorontoHabsFan says:

    And if Luongo wins Game Seven with a shutout it will be *very* difficult not to give a man who wins the Cup with 3 SOs in a 7 game series the Conn Smythe.

    What a weird series.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Thomas has the Smythe regardless.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I dunno, they usually give the Smythe to goalies from the losing team when that goalie brings a team that is far less talented to the Cup (like Hextall and Giguere).

        Not sure that Thomas fits that mould (mold?). Boston was the 3rd seed in the East – not the 8th.

        If…IF Luongo wins with a shutout (and only a shutout IMHO) then I could seem him getting the nod.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Even if Bruins fire 45 plus shots at Vanc. and Vanc. only fires say 25 at Thomas… and Luongo steals the game?

        I think, if Luongo steals game 7.. which no goalie in the finals has so far… (in fact has any goalie in this year’s playoffs really ‘stolen’ a game a la Halak).. Luongo WINS the Smythe. Anything else happens Thomas wins it.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      How many asterisks would THAT be worth. Holy cow!

    • 24 Cups says:

      TorontoHabsFan – Crozier, Hall and Hextall.

      Trust me, Thomas is a lock. He’s been the best player in the world since Christmas. Hab fans need to get over it and give the man credit for a fantastic year.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Also Giguere in 2003 and Leach (the only non-goalie) in 1976.

        I don’t deny that Thomas has been Hasek-like (otherworldly) this season. I’m just saying I’d be pretty surprised if (IF) Luongo puts up another Shutout in Game 7 and he doesn’t win the Conn Smythe.

        3 SOs in a 7 game SCF is pretty rare in the modern (post-expansion) era…oddly enough, the only one to do it was Brodeur…in 2003 – when Giguere won the Conn Smythe…

        nevermind :D

  3. MNaslund26 says:

    any team that is outscored 17-2 in one building and then squeaks by with a 4-2 edge in the other does not deserve the cup. sorry to say but vancouver’s dismal effort in this cup final is pathetic and i kind of hope they do not win. despite the depressing alternative of seeing chara hoist the cup, i am no longer rooting for canucks. they kind of suck.

  4. NightRyder says:

    Dr. Recchi says Raymond is embellishing his broken back.

  5. TorontoHabsFan says:

    In what world wasn’t the Boychuk hit on Raymond NOT interference? Raymond never touched the puck, and Boychuk pushed him into the boards in a completely defenseless backward position.

    In what world? This one apparently.

    I’m astonished that there’s been not a peep about the fact that he was injured on a penalty and as such Boychuk should be suspended.

    (just because it wasn’t a board-rattling hit doesn’t mean it wasn’t still a penalty)

    • Habitoban says:

      CBC on line is running a survey on what people think should be done with Boychuk. Last I looked, majority want a suspension.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Yeah, I just saw Mirtle’s article in the Globe and Mail – still it’s odious that Boychuk escapes suspension.

        But hey, Burrows didn’t get suspended for biting a gloved finger…so Even Steven right?

        This league becomes more of a farce with each passing day.

    • Mike Boone says:

      It did rattle the boards. Listen to the audio on the YouTube clip … which also includes those imbeciles booing.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Mr. Boone
        I too was taken back by the response of the crowd in Boston to that incident and also many others this playoff. That’s the type of hockey their media and god knows who else likes to promote in Boston I guess?
        Have the Boston fans always been so rowdy and disrespectful? I’ve been watching the Bruins Vs Canadiens in the playoffs going back to the early 80s and I never remember them being this disrespectful.
        I swear that their home announcers and the coverage the team gets in Boston is directly responsible for the total lack of good judgement and the idiotic attitude of their fans today.

        • Chorske says:

          TSN were interviewing some lameass commentator in a Merican flag suit and a bruins shirt yesterday, and he was going on about feeling safe in Vancouver, because Van fans are friendly… he contrasted that with Bruins fans who “wanna throw down with you” if you’re not one of them. He was proud of it- they all are. The only way to shut them up is to beat them.

        • BruinsFan50 says:

          Excuse me? I’ve been attending and watching Bruins v. Canadiens games since the early 70s and the Montreal fans have as many bad actors as one would find in Boston. The crap one had to put up with outside the Forum on a Saturday evening back in the day was far, far worse than anything that I’ve seen or heard of in Boston.

          We’ve had no hockey-related riots in Boston to date. And we don’t run to the police when players are hurt in the course of a game.

          As for the local media, the Bruins are fourth in coverage and interest behind the Red Sox, Patriots and Celtics. Not much there, even when they’re winning. The press in Montreal has ONLY the Canadiens, and they miss no opportunity to stir the pot.

          I’ll take the hard-nosed, straight-ahead brand of hockey the Bruins practice any day over a team full of drama queens flopping on cue and taking every cheap shot available- the eastern equivalent the Sedin Sisters’ Canucks.

          Have fun with your Habs, kiddo. Next year they’ll get rolled again.

  6. HabFanSince72 says:

    The injury to Raymond might end up being worse than the one to Horton. If he has compression fracture of a vertebra it could end his career.

    The guy was rammed into the boards with no way of protecting himself and nowhere near the puck.

    The only reason there is no suspension is that the guy who did it wears a B on his chest.

    This league is a disgrace.

  7. Ian Cobb says:

    Gauthier seems to be having a tough time signing Gorges and Markov! He just may pull the string elsewhere! What a loss that would be!

  8. patience is a virtue says:

    Continuing the DD discussion started with Robert below:

    It’s a key dilemma for the team. I’m not sure what to do about it, but I am sure that you don’t want to give up a player with the unknowable long-term potential of DD at this point in time. It would be one thing if he’d stayed in Hamilton and scored 100+ points last season, but he came up to the show and adapted quickly, gelling with Pouliot, and putting up over 0.5 PPG with 3-4th line minutes as a rookie. That’s huge.

    What to do? I’d wait it out a bit with Pleks, Gomez, Eller and DD as the 4 centres to start the season. If Gomez isn’t having a bounce back season, by sometime in Nov, and DD continues to prove himself toiling away in the bottom 6, I’d get bold and demote Gomez to #4, and bump DD or Eller to #2. Whoever is at #3 will get to play with Pouliot, hopefully, and maybe AK or another skilled forward if we pick up a UFA like Laich.

    Either way I think we can expect our third line to put up some serious points this coming season, and it would’t surprise me if DD was at the centre of that :)

    • VancouverHab says:

      This & your previous post are excellent — very enlightening perspective.

    • shiram says:

      I think Eller will likely center the third line, and DD would not be a good fit for a fourth line center.
      That fourth line is usually your energy players, your scrappers etc… And while DD is definately gritty, he gets tossed around alot.
      Unless he plays wing, I think the Habs will need a new center on the fourth, be it a free agent, trade or a call-up.

      • patience is a virtue says:

        I hear you. But that’s orthodoxy talking. DD has been an exception his whole career and this is no exception. The situation calls on PG and JM to be creative.

        I guess that PG knows he has to find a way to make it work with DD and Eller in the line up. LeBlanc is two seasons away. Gomez might be washed up. DD and Eller are two gifted, young up and coming centre men who bring very different skillsets and upsides to the team.

        Maybe it’s my suggestion above, maybe DD plays wing until the Gomez story plays itself out (i.e. rebound season, demotion to 4th line, or trade next summer to a team trying to make the cap floor), or maybe some other approach.

        My point is that I think DD has taught the Habs not to underestimate him, and we should learn that lesson too.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I think Leblanc’s going to end up on the wing rather than at C from some analysis I’ve read about his game translating to the pro level.

          Issue is with DD is the team has to arrange things a bit for him to succeed, big wingers so he can be protected and be freed up from chasing the puck and going for it in the corners and the wingers have to be able to finish so his playmaking ability can be effective. Problem is that’s taking bodies away from Top-6 lines (and I think Gomez will bounce back next year) and that reduces their effectiveness. I just don’t see at present a way to fix the lineup so DD can play to his best.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • patience is a virtue says:

            You may be right Robert. In this case, I hope not.

            Interesting about LeBlanc as a potential winger. And Bournival?

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Like I’ve said before this season, I have nothing against DD. I love the small players who gut it out in the bigs (Gallagher’s still my hero in the prospect system) but I don’t see him fitting into the lineup with the way the team is currently constructed and how it is projecting forward.

            I haven’t read a ton about Bournival (Newer prospect, less coverage), he may shift to the wing as names like Nattinen, Engqvist are ahead of him for checking line C but he could end up in that role depending upon his growth as a player.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Jonson says:

            Gomez bounce back??? whats its gonna take? a new season? and whats he gonna bounce back to? a 50 point season? cut the loss, he is finished, simple as that, move Eller to the second line and play DD on the 3rd. Get a big tough center to play on the 4th line.

    • TomNickle says:

      Eller will not be put on the 4th line for an extended period. Somebody will be moved before the season starts. Eller proved capable of at the very least being a 3rd line centreman late in the year. Desharnais proved his worth also but the upside with Eller is considerably larger.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I like Desharnais cojones. It’s our job (while, the Goat’s job) to put some size and toughness on his wings to buy him room to be creative. Henri Richard was small. Mats Naslund was small. Martin St. Louis is still small…

      Creativity in today’s game is at a premium, and I think it’s worth some juggling to keep DD in the mix. Sooner or later Gomez will slink back to Manhattan to spend his money and we’ll have some flexibility. Hate to lose DD.

    • Habitoban says:

      Not sure where to put Eller. I love his industry and toughness on the boards (and he’s still growing!) but his numbers don’t show that he has that much offensive upside yet (17 points in 77 games) compared to DD.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Eller’s younger than Desharnais though and his size gives him a notable advantage in being able to make a lot of plays that small players simply can’t manage, I like our small guys but I’m tired of seeing these guys always lacking reach to grab a loose puck, have the size to win board battles or just physically power past a defender.

        First year in the A, Eller had 18G, 39A in 70GP and it was his first time playing on NA ice. DD had 24G, 34A in 77GP as well, very similar first-year numbers but Eller had mononucelosis to start that season. I think Eller’s size and talents make him a better mainstay for the club.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Habitoban says:

          Wouldn’t disagree with you comment. Although I would note that DD has “a notable advantage in being able to make a lot of plays that bigger players simply can’t manage.” Kidding.

          A team can’t carry that many small guys, no matter how big they play.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            For me the issue is we already have 4 under-6′ players in the Top 6 and 3 of those players are the team’s leading goal scorers (Pleks, Cammy, Gio). Need some big-body men who can hold the puck and win the battles so the team can better control the puck in the offensive zone and Eller is far more capable of projecting into that role than DD. Fine to have small players who can play their roles, but they need the bigger bodies to help them out and DD has the bad luck of playing on a team where there are more skilled small players than him.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • JayBee says:

            Agreed. If Dasharnais is centering the 2nd line….we have a huge problem. I like him but would move him elsewhere. He doesn’t fit anywhere.

        • issie74 says:

          SF09 … Why can’t Ian Schultz come up from to play on a line with White and Moen,a fourth line,and what about Avitsin with Pleks and Pacioretty,Thay leaves Gomez-Gionta and Cammy,a small line but the Ducks have one,

          NorthTOHab

      • filincal says:

        Eller will get a chance on the top two lines in the pre season and early on. I suspect we’ll have a good idea of where he’ll remain after the first month.

        I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!

    • habs001 says:

      this only works if plecks and gomez can win key faceoffs not meaningless ones that pad their stats…we are terrible at winning draws at the start of our pp and very poor at winning draws in our zone at key times…if the scenario you mentioned happens that means there is only one opening available at forward for white,pyatt,moen,halpern,…and there is no room for anyone from training camp to make the team…i have a feeling pouliot is gone…

    • habstrinifan says:

      First let me admit that I am kinda rushing and havent thoroughly read the posts on this theme. But it does seem that the general mood is that the team as it stands now… meaning the players from last year… are all full of promise and potential and the team is OK.

      Do not make any decisions but manipulating line combiinations.

      I am afraid I dont agree.

      Some decisions have to be made on some players not ad-hoc as we did we Lap and Lat and SK but in a general assessment of what the team needs to be . on par with Boston or better.

      Is DD really one of the answers?

      • JayBee says:

        I don’t think he is.

        Boston, Washington, Philly, Pitt….and now Tampa look to be good for quite some time…

        Habs need to build a team to compete with these guys. Enough with just building a playoff team. Need to start building a Stanley cup team. Need to get bigger. This team desperately needs a 1st line centerman and another top 6 winger. Pleks is a 2nd liner…Eller is a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential and Gomez is a crappy 2nd line center. 3 centermen who are/can be 2nd line centermen. And then we have DD. A lot of work left before this team can contend (for a cup, not a playoff spot).

      • LA Loyalist says:

        In general, the consensus is:

        1. DD needs big tough finishing wingers to be successful

        2. The team is not currently structured in a way that looks like a good fit for DD and Eller is a safer bet long term.

        3. On the other hand, DD’s soft skills and balls don’t grow on trees

        Final answer: it depends :)

    • Guy-Guy-Guy says:

      Some wise perspective here on this dilemma…

      My opinion is that both of theses players are too talented / not scrappy enough to be 4th liners… I also don’t see the management demoting Gomez or Plekanec next year.

      I see two possible answers that may allow both players to perform. Use both players on the 3rd line!

      Cammaleri-Plekanec-AK46
      Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
      DD-Eller-Darche
      White-Konopka-Pouliot

      Other option:
      Eller-DD-Darche(or Pouliot)

      The way I see it, DD has more offensive upside and better faceoff numbers. Eller is better at protecting the puck. Eller and Darche are bigger guys which works well for DD. Darche is a veteran who can help devellop the younger guys also.

      Guy Lafleur smoked between periods. Did smoking give him the relaxation he craved before scoring so many goals?

    • habstrinifan says:

      The more I read your post, the more I am afraid that we WILL start the season as you indicate.

      Some questions then.

      Which benchmark season are you hoping Gomez bounces back to? I checked Gomez’s career stat on tsn website.. did you know Gomez only reache dthe 20 goal plateau only ONCE.

      Pleks! Did you know that last year was his 3rd most productive?

      Can you name one team that WILL make DD one of their top 6 forwards long term and if he is NOT top 6 on this team where does he play?

      Eller is the ONLY one of your identified centres who can be regarded as up and coming.. and even then it is still uncertain.

      So out of your 4 centres, you have no EVIDENCE of great offense.

      No wonder there is consensus among experts that HABS need to augment down centre.

  9. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    A bit of old news, but just came across this on the Onion. Pretty good…

    http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/nhl-toothless-players-gumming-on-each-others-finge,20698/

  10. JasonM says:

    Conversation between Sedin and Referee kelly sutherland.

    *Sedin gets punched in the face 4 times without retaliating, Referee gets into the fray and pulls Marchand away from Sedin*

    “Are you going to call a penalty?”
    “I will”
    “When? After the 5th punch?”

    *Sedin gets 2 minutes misconduct*

    Terrible.

    • shiram says:

      And alot of people are saying Sedin should have answered, dropped em etc…
      The guy is not a fighter, but beyond that, he is one of best hockey player in the league, in a battle for the Stanley Cup, why should he risk his hand on Marchant??
      Bah…

    • hansolo says:

      I agree. I don’t doubt the Sedins can get mad and I don’t think they’re afraid or weak. But think back to Gomez a few times this past regular season — when he retaliated (usually with his stick), what did most people on this site call him? “Undisciplined”, and the RDS folks were particularly critical about his perceived lack of discipline — not that they needed much encouragement to criticize him. The last thing the Sedins should do is retaliate against weasels like Marchand — it would just be playing into Boston’s hand. All they can do is to stay disciplined and hope for a fairly-called game, which they didn’t get last night. The diving call against one of them in the first period was laughable. Chara cross-checked him after he had already been knocked down a couple of times, and that was called diving? And complaining to a ref warrants a misconduct? It’s not fair to call them “sisters” and complain about their lack of pugilistic prowess — that’s not their role.

      I hope karma eventually turns in favor of the Canucks, and the Sedins in particular. I won’t be able to stand the sight of Milbury gloating on NBC if the Bruins win game 7. What one Sedin said about his GM career was spot-on, not to mention what he inferred about Milbury’s attitudes to women.

      I’m not sure I care for hockey if the games become another form of gladiatorial combat. Maybe we should have the fans give thumbs-up or down at then end of the games to determine who wins? That would be the ultimate in having fan involvement, wouldn’t it?

  11. JasonM says:

    Why the NHL is a garbage league.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2OdInJOcpo&feature=player_embedded

    Guy gets punched in the face a half dozen times without retorting (a league MVP BTW) and he gets called for a penalty. Earlier, he gets hit thrice by a guy twice his size (Chara) without fighting back and gets called for diving. Who was working? Two Irish Refs. Is this the best reffing this league can provide us?

    What about the hit on Raymond (another broken back) without any discipline being handed out?

    I’ll call things as they are, this isn’t acceptable. People need to step up especially on the media side and demand that things are different.

    Yes, the Refs didn’t decide the game, yes Luongo sucked, yes the Sedins aren’t performing but someone somewhere needs to call things down the middle.

    I refuse to believe there is no competent Ref that will allow these teams to play hockey without all this goonery.

    This league has no BALLS.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I know, that after-whistle crap just proved the league is a sideshow. Do what you want if your team is special in the eyes of NHL Ops, but don’t you dare sneeze on the other team if you’re not.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • kempie says:

      They don’t even have enough integrity to make it look good. In a blowout game like that, why the hell wouldn’t they call that roughing or whatever? When I read the link to Lebrun’s article (Cup winner needs an asterisk) I honestly thought I was going to read about how the league has turned a blind eye to the B’s goonshow and allowed them to cheat and maim their way to the cup. If tomorrow night’s game is close, look for it to get even more ridiculous. The Bs will be allowed to do anything they want with impunity and the arm will go up every time anyone in blue farts or coughs. You know that’s the honest truth. What a farce.

  12. bwoar says:

    ….Both teams may deserve an asterisk, but if the Canucks win it will be in spite of the Bruins asterisk-deserving assistance from the officials. If the Canucks win, it will likely be because their goaltender makes one extra save than Tim “Conn Smythe” Thomas. I expect overtime in Game 7.

    ….I thought we saw the worst during the regular season, but this SCF is idiotic. After the Pacioretty mess I paused to consider whether the NHL was all that worthy of this much of our time and attention, watching this final I’m asking it again. Not like any of us will ever stop watching, but sweet merciful facktagons, it’s not pretty right now.

    …The problems in Van are mostly coaching related. Never been an AV fan, not seeing anything to like these days either. Two things stand out:
    1) not allowing the Sedins on the PK. Takes ‘em out of slugfest games and doesn’t allow them to contribute anything when the offence isn’t coming. Utter stupidity. Plus, who doesn’t think H.Sedin + Burrows might be responsible for a shorty here and there?
    2) Being outcoached by Claude Julien. ‘Nuff said.

    ….As has already been pointed out, the goalie coach in Van has got to take some blame for the back-in-the-crease play. The second the D started wearing down Luongo’s deep style exposed him. Why the org didn’t consider Carey Price’s example is beyond me.

    ….IIRC Luongo *shaved* after the 8-1 beatdown. He also did this last year during the Chi series when the team had lost its way. Desperation move, and the hockey gods do not smile on it.

  13. patience is a virtue says:

    Are the Habs just waiting for Stanley before announcing more contracts? There’s a lot of business to be done these next few weeks and I am sick of reading about this mediocre SCF.

  14. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think the original discussion about Milan Lucic began when I mentioned he would eat anyone on the Canadiens roster for breakfast if they were to get involved in a fight.

    That is obviously true. Does it mean that I would rather have him on my team instead of Subban, Price, Plekanec or a few other Habs…absolutely not.

    Would it be amazing to have a line like Cammaller-Plekanec-Lucic…absolutely!

    People seem to think on this site because our team is built for finesse and skill that the Bruins, Flyers, Stars and multiple other teams are full of goons and they play the wrong way.

    Maybe it’s our philosophy that is wrong?

    The Flyers made it to the finals last year with a big tough team and this year it’s the Bruins?

    I think a lot of people on this site are just pissed that we’re stuck with a softer team for the next few years so they think the entire NHL should play the Canadiens style of game or it’s wrong.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Blackhawks won the Cup though, mixing skill and toughness. The issue is when a team overloads on the bully aspect of the game and gets to the Finals playing like thugs.

      Habs need more solid bodies that can play tough I never dispute that, but they can do that without going into the street gang style of play like Boston does. Hell the Flyers play more respectably than the Bruins these days, at least Laviolette will bench Carcillo when he’s making a mockery of the game.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Serious I would love if the Canadiens had the same type of roster as Chicago did last year but we’re not even close to matching their physicality.

        I’d be totally happy with a Blackhawks or Canucks roster. They have the ideal amount of skill/toughness.

        But we all saw what happened when the Blackhawks lost their biggest/strongest/toughest player in Byfuglien…

        To be honest, I doubt anyone would complain in Montreal if we brought in Perry, Eager, Konopka, Bertuzzi and the Hansen brothers and punched our way to a Stanley Cup.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Montreal’s on the path to improving physically, but as I so often say, the bodies just aren’t ready to come off the farm yet. It’ll take a bit longer than people like but the solutions are coming.

          Byfuglien wasn’t their toughest player, he was just the best crease-crash man in the NHL playoffs for two straight seasons. His last two regular seasons playing forward with CHI weren’t that impressive or consistent.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            That’s another thing that gets lots in all these crazy discussions.

            The difference between size, toughness, fighters…..

            I consider Byfuglien “tough” for the reason you said, he’s a crease crasher and can put any player in the league on his rear end.

            I don’t really don’t care about fights unless it’s absolutely necessary.

          • Man Dingga says:

            But the playoffs is a whole new ballgame and it fits Byfuglien’s style of play. Sure he wasn’t consistent in the regular season but when it counted he could be counted on and he sure was impressive doing it.

    • habs03 says:

      What you seem to fail to understand is the difference between small and soft. Habs are small not soft. Ps. your amazing line of Cammy-Pleck-Luci would never work because both Cammy and Lucic can’t play RW.

    • mrhabby says:

      likely some of that ” pissed ” going on.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Balance, amigo-san. Balance.

      Read Dryden’s book again. Bowman would adjust role players depending if we were playing Boston, Philly or Detroit or.

      JM suffers from idee fixe. He thinks we should play the same way and the same guys against everyone.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        JM is pretty good at designing matchups (Krejci’s been terrorizing the NHL for 3 playoff series now, JM had him neutered in Round 1). The issue is whether some want to admit or not, this is not a Contender squad. Need more grit on the back end and at least one more hardcase up front.

        Yemelin is an improvement for D and I’d love to see a season of Moen and White working the 4th line together, but I still say DD needs to be dealt for a pick or a prospect for long-term interests (Or packaged as it goes) and bring in a guy that can score 10-15 and play tough. Anyone else like Tomas Kopecky out of CHI?

        AK-Pleks-Cammy, Patches-Gomez-Gionta, (???)-Eller-Darche, Moen-Halpern-White would be my Starting 12.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • patience is a virtue says:

          I want to agree about DD, but it’s a bit of a tight spot. His trade value is still low, and although it is tough to fit him in the line up, he is making a strong case for himself.

          The Habs might seriously regret dealing him now, before he has a season or two to prove his worth.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Issue is DD won’t be able to really show what he can in the current Habs lineup IMO, too many smaller players already and the team can’t shake the whole lineup so that DD gets the talented bigger bodies to himself so he can look good to other teams.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            I agree. Eller is clearly in line for more work this season. He showed significant development late in the year and into the playoffs. I think he’ll be better than Pleks in a couple years.

        • issie74 says:

          Play AK wth Eller and maybe DD or Darche?

          NorthTOHab

    • patience is a virtue says:

      I think you are wrong about the way the team is built. I do agree that the primary focus is on speed and skill. Well, actually, I think the primary focus since June 2009 has been on high caliber, hard working players with minimal bad attitude – i.e. build a winning TEAM that plays hard for each other = priority number 1.

      BG scored some amazing talent with Cammy and Gio in 2009 free agency – not often a team gets that kind of talent + support pieces like Gill, Spac and Moen all at once. It was ambitious and bold, and it did create the need to focus on balancing the line up with size and grit.

      PG has chipped away at that task. Pouliot is big, even if he’s not gritty. Same with Eller, who is stronger on the puck. Both are also fast and skilled. Trading up for Tinordi. Mara, Wiz, Emelin. Promoting White and Patches (the later was obvious, obviously). Resigning AK – not only speed, finesse and skill, but a hard hitting bull. Etc.

      There has been one exception in this effort to balance small and skilled with size and grit – David Desharnias. I don’t think DD was part of BG or PG’s long-term plan, but how can you deny the tenacity and productivity of such a smurfy player? 22 points in 43 NHL rookie season games. That bodes well for a Gio-St. Louis kinda future. What could be bigger than a very small player who defies the odds?

      It wouldn’t surprise me to see another big tough UFA forward added (Laich perhaps), and another drafted in the first round.

      In any case, I think the size and grit issue has been over-emphasized and I for one am glad that BG made the bold moves he did to make the Habs one of the fastest and most skilled teams in the league.

      You’ll note that this rambling post doesn’t even mention our two future franchise players – PK and CP. This team is going to be a contender these next few seasons. They will out-skill and skate Boston into the ice, while holding their own physically.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I agree that the habs are not tough enough.

      I agree. You agree. The entire league agrees. Its common knowledge.

      Because we have very little toughness up front….

      we RARELY RARELY score the garbage goals – the goals that come as a direct result of winning position near the opposing net.

      and,

      the end result: we score very few 5 on 5 goals.

      Patches will be coming back next season.

      he will help us tremendously in this area.

      We need to teach Ak 46 that he can score 5-10 more goals a season if he is willing to take a cross check to the back while doing so.

      If his Meeting with Martin was productive, then hopefully Martin mentioned how valuable AK’s presence can be in front of the other teams goalie fighting for rebounds.

      Subban and Patches have added a lot of toughness to this lineup.

      I am hopeful we can add 1 more tough piece up front, and I remain hopeful that we resign The Wiz to add some toughness in the back end.

      I admit that I have never seen yemelin play – and I never evaluate a player unless I have seen him myself.

      But it is POSSIBLE that yemelin will try and play tough – whether he can at the NHL level, I can’t say for certain.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • TomNickle says:

        Yemelin plays tough Ed. He’ll haul off and cross check a guy in the face. Which I’m not necessarily in favour of. But we need a tougher presence in front of our net. So maybe he’ll be reigned in a little bit and play with limits, but still in a tough way. He won’t be bullying anyone though. He’s not exactly big. 6’2 and 210 is one of the biggest stretches I’ve seen in a player’s measurements in a long time. He’s no taller than 6’1, if he’s even that.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          6’1″ and 215 is what I’ve heard and that’s not far from Anton Volchenkov, one of the more punishing hitters in the NHL.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            I don’t deny that he’s physical and effective playing the body. I just found it funny that his height and weight were exaggerated to the extent that they were.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Every league and team does that. Most players get that 1/2-1″ boost in their profile, David Desharnais magically grew from 5’6″ to 5’7″ this season. Martin St. Louis has been listed for 5’9″ when he and Gionta are practically the same height. Hell even the tall players in the draft get a half-inch boost sometimes.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • issie74 says:

          Yemelin is also able to box guys out in front of the net.I was impressed with his play at the worlds.
          I can’t believe he would have signed however if Markov was not to be a part of the team?

          NorthTOHab

  15. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    ManApart:

    For the fun of it, I went over to hockeyfights.com to see if your statement about Lucic was accurate.

    Here’s what I found:

    2010-11 3-2-2 (Won-Lost-Draw)
    vs John Erskine DRAW
    vs Brandon Prust LOST
    vs Jay Harrison DRAW
    vs Jim Vandermeer LOST
    vs Eric Brewer WON
    vs Cody McCormick WON
    vs Jay Rosehill WON

    2009-2010 2-2
    vs Jay Harrison WON
    vs Jared Boll LOST
    vs Adam Mair WON
    vs Colton Orr LOST

    2008-2009 8-1-1
    vs Mike Komisarek WON
    vs Nick Boynton WON
    vs Brandan Witt WON
    vs Eric Boulton LOST
    vs B.J. Crombeen WON
    vs Tim Wallace WON
    vs Mike Brown WON
    vs Chris Neil DRAW
    vs Phil Oreskovic WON
    vs Josef Melichar WON

    2007-2008 9-3-1
    vs Raitis Ivanans LOST
    vs Nick Tarnasky WON
    vs Ben Eager WON
    vs Mark Bell WON
    vs David Clarkson WON
    vs Jared Boll WON
    vs Barret Jackman WON
    vs John Erskine LOST
    vs Wade Brookbank DRAW
    vs Tim Gleason LOST
    vs Jarko Ruutu WON
    vs Matt Bradley WON

    So, he fought quite a bit in his first two years and has cooled down in the last two. If we look at his record against the guys you mentioned (Orr, RoseHill, Neil, Vandermeer, Boulton, Eager, Boll, Ivanans), it is a not-so-sterling 2-5-1.

    You also see him taking those types of guys on less and less in the last two years. I get the feeling Lucic wanted to make a name for himself early as a fighter, and then when he saw that he couldn’t actually hang with the big guys, he decided to pick his battles to maintain his good record. That’s just the way I see it.

    • patience is a virtue says:

      facts? man apart does not like facts.

      thank you for sharing your research!

      ps. i just re-read my comment and realized that judging the winner of a fight is a tricky business and sometimes there’s not a big difference between the winner and the loser, while sometimes it’s a pounding. so, i retract my statement, and anything else nasty i have ever ever ever said about man apart :)

      • shiram says:

        Those results at hockeyfights are also voted on by fans, so it’s not like there is an official score board for hockey fights..

        • D Mex says:

          There is in Boston, sort of.
          Watch any broadcast that originates there and you’ll see ‘ tale of the tape ‘ visuals accompanied by ‘ ringside ‘ bell audio.
          It demeans the game, but they love hockey, whatever that means …

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

      • LA Loyalist says:

        A fight can also vary wildly in significance. Late in a lop-sided game, what does it mean? Or a guy is winning and trips and the loser falls on top of him. Very hard to judge.

        But in a close game where it wakes up one team it can mean a lot. In a close game where it buys real estate for your star players, it’s worth diamonds.

        The best fights are the ones that never need to happen. When you have a Chris Nilan or John Ferguson, just a look from the bench can deter someone. Dryden makes fun of Larry Robinson for just poking his finger in guys’ faces, but hey, who wanted to fight Larry Robinson?

        And about last night. Someone should have taken out Marchand after he prison-f*cked their star Sedin.

        That no one on Vancouver stood up for a Sedin pretty much tells me they are done and Boston will win the cup.

        Not that I like Vancouver much, I don’t but I really don’t want to live all next year with Boston as Cup champs. It’s going to make a long year.

      • issie74 says:

        I posted the same thing he can’t hang with the big boys.

        NorthTOHab

    • shootdapuck says:

      How many of the so-called wins were after jumping someone from behind or started with a sucker punch?

      Luchicken never takes on someone face to face its always from behind or with an official in between.

      Gutless puke!

      … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

      Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

  16. habsfan0 says:

    If Boston wins game 7 tomorrow,here is the order of how the Stanley Cup will be presented:

    NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman will present it to Captain Zdeno Chara;

    Chara will pass it on to NHL disciplinarian Colin Campbell;

    Colin Campbell will pass it on to his son Gregory Campbell.

    • TommyB says:

      Referees down on one knee, front and centre, for the traditional team photo at centre ice?

    • OakvilleHabsFan says:

      LOL great comment!! The NHL officiating is a disgrace compared to other leagues. During the last game of the NBA final superstar Duane Wade was called a charging foul as he was driving to the basket, he just looked at the official, made a stupid remark and was assesed a technical. The NBA officials do not care who the player is when a foul is committed, it could be the first game of the season or the last game of the final. When will we ever see this in the NHL??? Never, because buttman and the league owners do not want it. The game is sold on violence in the US. Don Cherry who played a couple of games in the NHL is given free reign to spew his crap on a weekly basis. The CBC hires idiots like him and Milbury because they care only about ratings. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME!!! My rant is over, as a habs fan the finals are irrelevant, enjoy the weather and bring on the draft!!!

  17. D Mex says:

    CBC reporting that Mason Raymond is out for 3 months, add that to the 3 or so that Max Pac was / is out and you have a 1/2 dozen.
    Maybe it takes a baker’s dozen, or at least a year’s worth before the hammer comes down on goonery in Buttman’s NHL.

    It’s interesting that the ‘ late-hit ‘ interpretation that put Rome on the sidelines did not apply last night, I mean, how long did it take to steer Raymond into the boards, and where was the puck at the time of that contact.

    It becomes increasingly clear that the NHL head office requires more than a simple ‘ colinoscopy ‘. That’s right, COLINoscopy, you saw it here first ;-)

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

    • mrhabby says:

      i did not see anything wrong with the hit..it was not cheap or late or vicious. raymond slid awkwardly into the boards after being taken out..

      • D Mex says:

        It was late.
        And when push came to shove, the NHL hung its hat on the lateness of the Rome hit on Horton.

        Comme on dit en français : deux poids, deux mesures …

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

        • mrhabby says:

          this was hardly a hit that was punishable….he was just unlucky it happens all the time in hockey.

          its been weird sometimes dumb , crazy final and one that will mercifully end tomorrow night.

          • D Mex says:

            It was late – period.
            Rome got 4 games for hitting late, in open ice, and withOUT holding his opponent in a vulnerable position like Boychuk did.
            By the way, Mason Raymond did NOT slide into the boards : he was on his feet and held in a bent-over position by Boychuk over a distance of approx 20 feet.
            Yet Boychuk got nothing, not even 2 minutes for the blatant interference. Check the rulebook and you’ll see that, sure enough, interference IS punishable in hockey.
            So, to summarize today’s hockey lesson, Rome got 4 games and Boychuk got nothing. Why ? Because, essentially, the NHL is run by a bunch of morons and cannot, or will not, get its head (office) out of its Butt(man).
            Or do you not see THAT either …

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

      • issie74 says:

        You are kidding I hope?

        NorthTOHab

    • ShyS says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, your potential Stanley Cup champions…what’s the point? Either the Bruins win after playing filthy, disgusting, shameful hockey, or the Canucks win despite being horribly outscored the entire series…can’t say I’m impressed

  18. Mattyleg says:

    Anybody else think that Rollie Melanson is finished in the NHL as Goalie Coach?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  19. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Mike, you say:

    “Say this for the Boston Bruins:
    They’ve showed up and played hard for six games of the Stanley Cup final.”

    It’s true. Furthermore, they’ve done what you always have to do to win in any sport — stop your opponent from playing their game. Boston has annihilated Vancouver’s offense, including the League’s no. 1 powerplay, and destroyed their starting goalie.

    Think of past Stanley Cups, Superbowls, World Cups (soccer, rugby) etc — playing hard and undermining the other guy is what the winners have always had to do. And we admire them for it.

    But we can’t, we mustn’t admire the Bruins for it, because their method of taking away Vancouver’s game has no honour to: it’s by playing dirty. By which I don’t mean “physical” — physical is good and beautiful, always been part of the game. Contrary to Mike Milbury’s ignorant (add also xenophobic and even misogynist!) commentary, the Sedins have been in the league 10 years and are WELL capable of thriving irrespective of the physical attention of d-men. However, Milbury’s subtext is that the Sedins can’t take dirty play.

    And there he’s probably right. The whole Canucks’ offense is built on speed and skill, more than the Bruins can handle within the rules of the game. So Boston has no choice — if they really and truly want the Cup, which of course they do — but to go outside the rules.

    And our embarrassing League allows them. Whether it’s a conspiracy (win one for Campbell; keep the Cup in the US; reward an Original Six team; or whatever — all tempting to run with, but in the end only pub talk), or whether — which I think is more likely — that the League upper offices are extraordinarily low on competence, vision and integrity, and are so fixed on markets and profits that they fail to see how their inability to move with the times (for eg. player safety) or how their ambivalence to violence is actually damaging everything to do with the game (including markets and profits).

    To Boston trolls who’ve laboured through this unending post: your Bruins are to be commended for surviving two Game 7s, for coming back from 2 games down in the Finals, for their margins of victory at home, for your incredible goalie, your outstanding (if utterly unloveable!) rookie, for playing through the awful Horton hit, and for a coach keeping them on task.

    I won’t deny or begrudge what may prove to be your moment on Wednesday night. But I am troubled — as I honestly would be were it my own team — by what’s contained within that cliché, “they did what they had to do”, and that what they had to do was dirty, and the fact that the League supported them in that.

    So that in the end, while the Canucks (as Damian Cox observes) are very hard to love, I cannot hope that the Bruins will win.

    Many apologies for length. It’s been a while.

    • JF says:

      Good post. Exactly the way I feel.

    • B915 says:

      Dunboyne Mike…nice post…stop your crying about Campbell and the Hab crap on here…we know your Habs are the cleanest , the most
      classiest team ever to play hockey…..conspiracy? You dummy

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Hey B9 (Benign?!). Either I wasn’t clear or you don’t get me. While conspiracy theories are often fun, tempting, I rarely buy them. Nor do I think any team, including my own, the Habs, are guilt-free. I’m not even blaming the Bruins for doing what needs doing to take the Cup. I’m blaming the League for its inability to control its UFC-envy and for hedging on dangerous play. League ambivalence has led to horrifying injuries to Crosby, Horton, and Pacioretty and others. And League ambivalence has allowed your defensemen to hack and cross-check the NHL’s best offense. If the Bruins can’t win without doing that, then I don’t want them to win.

        That said, this may be your time. So enjoy. And if you do take it, all the better for our long, long rivalry.

        Cheers

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          LOL, Mike you were plenty clear, anyone with a brain can understand what you meant.

          B915 is a Bruins fan who trolls this site on the days after the Bruins win. So his response shouldn’t surprise you, and there’s no point in trying to further explain yourself to him.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Cheers Halifax. I don’t mind trolls so much, and B915 didn’t seem to object to much else in the post….

            While you’re there! Where does support lie in NS? Isn’t there quite a strong connection with Boston teams? Or is there a mix? If so, what’s the mood like?

    • issie74 says:

      good post Mike.

      NorthTOHab

  20. joshua94k says:

    Don Cherry Coaches Corner segment June 15, 2011

    Don: “Now the Bruins have this player, what’s his name, Merchant
    Ron: ” It’s Marchand”
    Don: “Whatever, now this young guy, don’t get me wrong, I like how he plays and everything, but you don’t go around punchin a seasoned veteran like Sedin, who is an all – star. ”
    Ron: nods
    Don: “You have to show some respect, you can’t go around punchin veterans in this league.
    Ron: “Yes it wasn’t pretty”
    Don: ” Now don’t go reading between the line here, but during the 2nd or 3rd period, somebody may just go and hurt him.
    Ron: “But the referee…”
    Don:” Will you let me finish, when I coached the Bruins, I didn’t let Wensik go after Lafleur during his rookie season, I let Jonathan or Milbury try to whack him”.
    Ron: nods
    Don:” I told Wensik, after he played a few years, that he could now go tell Lafleur he will cut his ears off if he comes on Boston ice
    Ron:” Didn’t Milbury just say the other day, that if biting were allowed, he would have ate Lafleur.”
    Don: ” That’s why we didn’t win any Cups, we weren’t smart enough…

  21. HabsProf says:

    I suspect I’m not the only one to point this out, but….

    Remember when Luongo was still in Florida, it was obvious that the Panthers were going to trade him, and there was talk of the Habs sending many players and/or draft picks to the Panthers to land “the best goaltender in the world”?

    Sometimes the greatest trades are the ones that never happen.

    _____________________________________

    They brought their f____ing toys with them!

  22. NDGhabsfan says:

    Jesus that was brutal. I have to say this has been the ugliest Stanley Cup final I have seen in years. It’s amazing that this is the pinnacle of our sport and the quality of hockey on display has been underwhelming to say the least. Watching the Canucks either get raped or steal a 1 goal game has left me nothing but bitter at the fact that 2 teams that can’t play hockey are in line to hoist the greatest trophy in professional sports. Last night I felt like I was watching the NAHL. Is it too much to ask for hockey that involves skating, puck movement and speed?

    From failing hands…

  23. Hobie Hansen says:

    GO HABS GO

  24. LA Loyalist says:

    My solution: If we had an NHL President with stones:

    “We’re not playing game 7, both you teams suck too much.”

    I’m calling it a tie. No champion this year.

    Not awarded.

    Discuss among your selves.

  25. ManApart says:

    Wow, impressive win by the Bruins last night. That team doesn’t quit. Marchand is a hell of a little fireplug. He’s only a rookie, and is dominating the Canucks. Can agitate, fight, score. Don’t know where the hell he csme from this season. Thomas has proven he is easily the best goalie in the league and deserves the Conn Smyth win or lose next game. He shut up his doubters pretty good these playoffs. It’s hard to love Boston as a Habs fan, but they kinda have won me over, with their tough play and intensity. That’s a real playoff team. Not super skilled like some of those Red Wings teams, but a real rock ‘em sock ‘em bunch. They deserve to win the Cup i would say.

  26. JohnBellyful says:

    It’s fitting this disgraced championship is being referred to as a Homer series. The idiocy exhibited by both teams is truly depressing but, unfortunately, not nearly as funny as the animated sitcom.
    Can Luongo salvage his reputation by leading his team to victory tomorrow night or will he once again portray a flawed Homerian character from a far different time: Achilles

  27. J_P says:

    Hands down the worst cup final I have ever seen.

    Vancouver doesn’t deserve to win because I have never seen a team play with less heart in the Finals. Sedin is getting punched in the face in a lopsided game and doesn’t even fight back. Marchand is not big, just crack him one in the face.

    Boston doesn’t deserve to win because they have had every advantage all season, including refs and league officials on the payroll.

    This was luongo’s chance to prove he’s a big league goalie, and even if the canucks manage to win the cup on wednesday night, in my mind, Luongo will still not have a shaken the “overrated” and “choke artist” monikers that he’s earned over his career.

    NOTE: “on the payroll” is just an expression. I dont actually mean that Boston is bribing the refs. Apparently, someone had trouble understanding that.

    • TomNickle says:

      Luongo’s condo may be for sale by Saturday. No way Gillis can keep him even if they win. Not with at the very least an equally talented goalie for $5 million cheaper.

    • DotLane says:

      Officials and refs on the Boston payroll? Do you understand exactly how pathetic a comment that is? You can’t argue the merits, so you resort to conspiracies. And I’m not sure what you’re blathering on about when you say they’ve had “every advantage all season”. Such as?

      • J_P says:

        Are you kidding? Sedins have been getting manhandled this series. There was the 12 crosschecks to the back of one of them that went uncalled. There was marchands 4 punches to sedins face last night that went uncalled. They got off the hook on almost every suspendable offense they’ve committed this year. It’s not a conspiracy. A high-level, league officials son plays for their team and the chairman of the BOG, the guy who extended bettmans contract for 4 years quietly back in november, owns the bruins. When you look at the questionable officiating, the carte-blanche given to tim thomas to do whatever he pleases, plus the lack of suspensions for suspendable offenses, its not hard to make a case for calling foul.

        and dont get me wrong, I can’t stand the canucks. I also wasn’t even such a boston hater until the Chara incident. Had they suspended chara 1 game, I would never have questioned. 1 game! that’s all i wanted.

        But between the lucic check from behind on spacek that went unsuspended, ference’s headshot on halpern behind the play that went unsuspended, the chara non-suspension, and Aron Rome getting a ridiculous 4 games because horton couldnt keep his head up, I have every reason to call foul. Rome’s hit was a suspendable act, but there is NO WAY it deserved 4 games, when you look at what boston has gotten away with this season with no suspension.

  28. billylove says:

    First, Luongo shoots off his mouth about Thomas and now D. Sedin is guaranteeing a win in game 7. Athletes are so stupid! I wanted the Canucks to win because I HATE the Bruins but this series has become pathetic. Don’t think I ever stopped watching a Cup final after 10 minutes but I did last night. Now, I don’t give a damn who wins. I almost feel that by watching I’m endorsing/supporting/condoning a criminal enterprise, the NHL!

  29. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    No way Boston loses game 7… in a game where home ice means nothing – it’s about the team that plays to their strengths and wants it more… there’s just nothing left to fall back on.

    Vanouver just doesn’t have another gear, it seems, to get this job done, and I suspect that Boston smell blood and a whole lot of fear…

    Julien’s pregame war cry?

    “What you did in games 3,4 and 6? Do it one more time… that’s all”

    It’s gonna be ugly to see Chara, Lucic et al lift Stanley, but I think it’s a done deal.

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    Holy cow TomNickle:
    The only way Lucic would ever skate away from anybody on the Canadiens when challenged is because he thinks they’re not worth the blood he’ll get on his hands after he demolishes them…
    I hate the guy as much as you but he knows, as does everyone else on this planet, that he would destroy anybody on the Habs roster in a confrontation.
    I hope that will change one day but that is the current situation.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Sorry, I doubt that was going thru Lucic’s mind when he skated as fast as he could away from Laraque.

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      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Does laraque play for Montreal anymore?

        • TomNickle says:

          No, but Ryan White does. Ever seen Lucic go after him? Ever see Lucic go after Wisniewski? Moen? Gill? Anyone who could hold their own in a fight? Nope.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            HELLO? NO CONTEST!!!! LUCIC WOULD DESTROY ANYONE U JUST MENTIONED IF THEY DARE FIGHT HIM.

            I don’t like it but it’s true!

            Wake up pal.

          • TomNickle says:

            He doesn’t try. Coward.

          • ManApart says:

            Trust me Lucic is not remotely afraid of those guys. It’s the other way around. Lucic would kill them and everyone knows it. He’s fought guys like Colton Orr, RoseHill, Neil, Vandermeer, Boulton, Eager, Boll, Ivanans among others and has won most of them. I’m sure he wouldn’t be too worried about little White and Wiz or soft Gill.

          • TomNickle says:

            His actions indicate that he is.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            “He’s fought guys like Colton Orr”

            You better look at the video before posting that. He tried to hide behind a ref when he realised Orr wasn’t quite finished with him.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzecGFw2M_o

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          • saskhabfan says:

            Wrong again (as usual) lucic lost pretty much all those fights except neil. He no longer fights in his own weight category or with guys who can actually fight. He is a coward just like certain posters who only show up after a bruins win (cough cough manapart…retromikey…cough cough)

        • ZepFan2 says:

          “The only way Lucic would ever skate away from anybody on the Canadiens.”

          I thought you were talking in general.
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    • TomNickle says:

      When you have video of him fighting Wisniewski, Moen or Gill you can make those comments with sincerity. Like I said before, it’s all speculative. You’re saying Lucic skates away from fights because he’s worried he’ll go to the box. I say bullshit. You say Habs are scared because they don’t fight, but Lucic is just worried about a 5 minute penalty? Really? Holy Cow Hobie Hansen.

      I’VE WATCHED Lucic skate away from Wisniewski. I’VE WATCHED him skate away from Moen. AND I’VE WATCHED him avoid Andrei Kostitsyn like the plague ever since Kostitsyn leveled him on the boards last year.

      You know what that makes Lucic? A bully. He’s not tough, he’s a coward. He targets people when they can’t see him coming. He goes after guys that he knows don’t fight. And then when they stand up to him, he makes a point of staying away from them. He could very well beat any of Gill, Moen or Wisniewski up. But he’s afraid to try Hobie. Because they can fight. And he’s a bully who’s afraid of getting beat up by somebody of equal or comparable toughness or strength.

      That’s what he is Hobie. And I’m sorry, this is just my opinion. But your need to put down the Habs as cowards or wusses is just pathetic. Pyatt, Hamrlik and Spacek stood up for themselves against Thornton, Campbell and Boychuck. Who are the cowards and who are the tough guys when fighters target players who aren’t fighters? Their justification was that the Habs play dirty. Really? Pyatt, Spacek and Hamrlik play dirty? Bullshit again.

      You seem to have grown up with the Don Cherry twinkle in your eye. Believing the hypocritical code chapter and verse.

      Again, I’m sorry. But fighters targeting skill players or weaker opposition isn’t tough. No matter how you look at it.

      You can say this team doesn’t have ideal size, you can say that they don’t fight enough and you can say that they put up with too much bs. But you can’t say that they don’t stand up for themselves when things get out of hand. And if you see Lucic as a tough and honourable player. I’m very sorry for you and future generations who have been influenced like you have.

      If the Bruins are so tough, why aren’t Bergeron, Marchand and Seidenberg fighting Subban, Moen and Wisniewski Hobie? Furthermore, why aren’t their so called tough players like Thornton, Lucic and Boychuck?

      • TommyB says:

        Wow. Could not have said it any better.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        They second I see Lucic turn down a fight against anyone on the current Canadiens’ roster I’ll eat my hat. it would never happen.

        Gill stood there and watched as Lucic slapped Price in the face and did ZERO!!!!

        Lucic would destroy Moen, Wisniewski and Gill in about 10 seconds.

        Moen would have a chance to avoid injury and the two others would be on the ice in a heap…

        • TomNickle says:

          Maybe he would beat them up. But he doesn’t try because he might not. And HE DID RUN AWAY FROM MOEN AND WISNIEWSKI.

          • ManApart says:

            Where did he run away from them? where’s the video. He would never run away from them, unless his team had a lead and he didn’t want to give Montreal a PP. He’s fought guys like Orr, Neil, Ivanans. Those guys are tougher than the whole Habs team put together.

          • saskhabfan says:

            Why wouldn’t he fight laraque? Tom Nickle is also right about moen and the wiz. Once again,manapart is made to look like he knows less about hockey then everyone thought he did.

        • Curtis O Habs says:

          Do not heat your hat too hot or your hair will burn.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          “heat your hat” ?

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          Woulda, coulda, shoulda. He’s a big bruising guy for sure, but he does tend to hit smaller guys from behind. It’s his specialty. He just needs to learn a little class and to stand up to the big guys. We don’t really have any, but that’s beside the point — a whole different issue. That’s my opinion, but I am not willing to die to defend this particular hill. :)

      • HabFarmer says:

        I’ve always said the Canadiens are tough in spite of their size.

        Plex: tough
        Gio: tough
        Eller: tough
        White: hell that boy’s straight out of Slapshot
        Pacioretty: the living embodiment of Wolverine

        You have to be tough to fight. You don’t have to fight to be tough. Tough is getting shmunched one day so that your shoulder is dislocated, and playing 24 hours later. The Habs have players like that.

        Sure they need some more size – toughness they do have. Fighting doesn’t need to figure into the equation until they’re challenged, and they’ve shown they can step up there as well.

        Lucic is not a good example of tough – he’s a predator – no more than that.

        “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

      • filincal says:

        My words exactly….”Boston Beatdown” was bull. They took out nobodies in the fighting world and Habs’ bitch let in six. they’re pansies who do whatever panty wearing Neely yells at them to do.

        I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!

      • DotLane says:

        Poor poor TomNickle. Impotent rage is such a sad thing to watch. I understand you’re disappointed that your hockey team can’t seem to win, but to pretend you read the minds of hockey players? Stick to predicting lotto numbers.

    • issie74 says:

      Hobie,

      I don’t know if you saw this but,Lucic went after Komisarick in TO,Colton Orr came on the ice and asked him if he wanted to go,Lucic said yes and after taking a few punches waved his arm at the referee to come in and break it up.

      Lucic should not go with the big boys.

      NorthTOHab

  31. SmartDog says:

    Looking at this title: “Woeful and Unworthy of a Champion”, 4 different things passed through my head that it could mean:
    1. Roberto the Seive Luongo?
    2. The Canucks play in general.. and the Sedins especially?
    3. The repeated and permitted goonery of the Bruins without which they woulda been out in round 1?
    4. The HORRIBLE officiating.

    All in all, it’s been as terrible a final as it has been good. That the Bruins are winning largely because of bullshit they get away with is really sad. And Vancouver with a pop-gun offense now down one more man, and the Sedins still trying to make ‘nice’ plays, has no chance. Not to mention Luongo who has stolen games and given them right back. You’d think he had money on losing these Boston games he’s been so bad.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      The upside of Luongo The Wiffer is that the fools who have been comparing him with St. Patrick will finally have to shut up. :)

      The bad news is the thought of either of these teams hoisting the cup makes me puke. I’ve never been less excited about a cup final. Cable gets cancelled the day after Game 7, and I’m not going to think about the NHL until October, at which point I hope the Montreal Canadiens will resemble an excellent hockey team (that is minus the retired Scott Gomez).

      Via con dios, amigos.

  32. TomNickle says:

    Ottawa and Dallas have seemingly made their coaching decisions and neither has Kirk Muller in their future. The Devils and Wild are highly likely to go with veteran coaches in Mactavish and Hitchcock.

    Winnipeg appears to be wanting a hometown flavour for their franchise and likely won’t pursue Muller.

    It’s looking like he’ll still be with the Habs come October.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      let me just say

      WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO

    • shiram says:

      He could still go to the AHL though.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        shhhhhhh, I’m pretending that’s not an option

        • shiram says:

          Even if they swap him for Cunneyworth?

          • TomNickle says:

            What would that accomplish for Muller, Cunneyworth, the Habs or Bulldogs?

            I’m sorry but that’s just empty theory with no logic behind it whatsoever. That move makes no sense for any of the parties involved.

          • shiram says:

            Heh it’s out there for sure, but I was poking fun at HalifaxHabs.

            If you want a more poignant point, Muller probably would need AHL head coach experience to get a bonafide NHL coaching job.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            LOL Shiram, how about they switch Kirk for JM… :)

          • shiram says:

            Jm would make a great assistant coach for sure!

      • TomNickle says:

        Depends on the organization. To my knowledge the only team that would even peak his interest would be Texas because their coach is being promoted to the big club. Even then, starting fresh in an organization where you’re in a no win situation is a bad career move.

      • TommyB says:

        Didn’t Muller already nix that idea before, going to the AHL to be a head coach? Pretty sure I read that maybe last year. I think Muller still has a shot at a head coaching job somewhere in the NHL this year, but if not, I would hope he stays on with the Habs. One more year of experience in the NHL as an assistant is probably worth at least as much as a year as head coach in the AHL. And, I’m not knocking JM, but his shelf life is surely getting shorter as we speak. That’s just the nature of coaching. Having Muller there, ready to step up if called, would be an ideal situation for him. I think he has the respect and trust of the players, and I think they would respond to him if he were the guy with the big clipboard.

  33. Rob D says:

    I guess we are supposed to believe that the Nucks will bounce back yet again..Roberto gets another shutout at home, Max gets a winner and the Canucks finally get their Cup.

    I don’t think so. I think the Bruins are going to roll them. The law of averages finally catches up to Van who basically didn’t show up for GAme 6. I know Luongo was awful but that was also predicatable. But the Nucks played like scared chickens in their own end, made numerous foolish passes and displayed the finishing ability of the Habs 4th line…ahem..

    I don’t like the junk that is being allowed after the whistle and consider this one of the worst officiated series I Have had the displeasure to witness. But the Bruins are the better team.They SHOULD win this series. I have no love for the Bruins but I have learned to hate the Nucks the more I have been forced to watch them. I know many of them are playing hurt but depth was supposed to be their calling card. I guess that depth helps when you are playing Atlanta…not against the neanderthal Bruins when they are simply another “target” to knock down and send to the hospital whilst the B fans cheer. (That was a really sick response by B fans last night BTW,,but the funny thing is I wasn’t surprised at all.That’s who they are)

  34. Malreg says:

    So is the Mason Raymond injury and hit receiving barely any attention in the media because the word “Concussion” isn’t involved?

    He’s going to miss 4-6 months for a back/hip injury, possible broken vertabrae, I would say that’s just as bad as a concussion. Of course it’s not part of the “head shot” debate, so who cares?

    • TomNickle says:

      No, it falls under the Bruins inflicted the damage category and therefore requires no league attention.

    • Marcusman says:

      It’s cause someone is going to get sued for picking this guy up and dragging his broken back off the ice. The Game should of been stopped and he should of been stabilized and removed on a stretcher! By moving him the as they did, they could of damaged him even further.

      Vancouver’s medical staff should be ashamed of themselves this morning.

      • Rob D says:

        Great point. THe NFL does a MUCH better job of guarding against further damage where spinal injury is suspected. Better to be safe than sorry.

      • D Mex says:

        You make a very interesting point here :

        – Civil liability : quite correct that conventional wisdom is to do nothing with a suspected spinal injury. Certainly, this is the teaching point from Hockey Canada (HCSP).

        I suspect that one difference, and an important one, on the Raymond situation is that the people who went to help him are pros (team staff), not volunteers.
        Regardless, it would be interesting to know whether they carry liability insurance and / or what waivers are in place to cover these situations.

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Just a hockey play, absolute coincedence that the 2nd broken vertabrae of the season occurred from a Boston Bruin defender.

      Eff all of Boston! Absolutely sick of the team, the fans, the owner and most importantly the weasel at head office that protects them.

      • Marcusman says:

        This one was a fluke……not sure how he ended up with his head between his legs……but the trainer should be fired.

        • Willy says:

          Because Boychuck put him in that position. Raymond is not very physical and Boychuck took advantage of that. Weak that it wasn’t a penalty and even weaker that there is no respect between players in the NHL anymore.

      • D Mex says:

        CBC reports Mason is out for 3 months, add that to the 3 or so that Max was / is out and you have a half dozen.
        Maybe it takes a baker’s dozen, or at least a year’s worth before the hammer comes down on the thugs.

        Apparently, the late-hit interpretation that put Rome on the sidelines did not apply last night, despite the fact that the hit was late. It becomes increasingly clear that the NHL head office requires more than a simple ‘ colinoscopy ‘ …

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    Nothing to do with hockey but I found this headline rather funny:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56926.html

  36. joshua94k says:

    It is clear the officiating is favouring the Bruins. The only hope for the Canucks to win is for Luongo to get another shut-out as he has done twice this series. Look for a parade of Vancouver penalties in Game 7.

    The Toronto Sun are calling the Canucks the worst team that could win a Cup. Would that put an astrix on the Bruins victory for winning the Stanley Cup against the weakest opponent of all time?

    Here is an excerpt from the Vancouver Sun…

    Daniel survived four straight gloved jabs from Bruin Brad Marchand in a late scrum. Marchand was assessed a roughing minor, although it was difficult to deduce which of the four punches was registered by referee Kelly Sutherland.

    “It was the fifth one,” Daniel said. “I took six. People are going to call us soft, but what can I do? We’re going to keep taking punches. That is the way we play…

    Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Violent+Stanley+final+taking+toll+Canucks/4940618/story.html#ixzz1PGRUijmj

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  37. Neutral says:

    Goaltending was the difference last night, see what happens tomorrow night…..

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Thomas has a horseshoe up his arse, that’s all he has. Remember a year or two ago he was sent down to minors? Why? Because his horseshoe wore off and he fell back into the siv of a goalie he is and everyone was filling the net on him. Man, the man should quit hockey and just buy lotto tickets. I bet he’d win on his first ticket. To call him a good goalie is just insulting to the sport itself.

  38. TommyB says:

    An awakening. No, not the Bruins. No, not the Canucks. But my awakening. Prior to the start of this final round I was convinced that Vancouver was by far the better club. Even after the B’s evened the series in games 3 and 4, I still felt Vancouver was the better team. I was wrong. Boston clearly wants this Cup so much more than Vancouver does. They have been the better team, and truth be told, this thing should have been over by now instead of going to game 7.

    It turns my stomach to watch Boston, as they advance toward their first Cup in nearly 40 years. I don’t like them. Never did. Ever. Don’t like their style of play. Don’t like their players. Don’t like their scowling coach. Don’t like their hypocrisy. But they clearly have been the better team, as they have dominated the play in pretty much all of the six games so far. Having said that, Boston is not a team I can get behind, and jump on their bandwagon. I guess there is still a chance Vancouver could wake up, find some balls, and do what it takes to win game 7. But if I’m betting……..

    Regardless of who does win the Cup, I have to say that this entire final series has been a totally classless act by both teams. Finger-pointing. Finger-biting. Whining. Diving. Media trashtalking. Suspect officiating. Suspect league-governing. It goes on and on. Not what I would call a showcase for the best damn game in the world. Could it be that Bettman has thrown in the towel now, after allowing one of his precious southern teams to relocate in the Great White North, and amid reports that Ballsilie has been told to sit tight, keep quiet, and he will get his wish to have a team, presumably also in Canada? Is Bettman’s NHL taking one final swing at the only Canadian team standing? Yeah, I know. Conspiracy theories, yada, yada, yada. I wouldn’t believe that either. Well, maybe just a little. Anyhow, no matter how you slice it, this Stanley Cup Final lacks even the slightest amount of class. Looking back on the season left behind, it should come as no surprise.

    • Chuck says:

      Amen, Tommy.

    • TomNickle says:

      Donald Fehr. Bettman knows he’s in a fight he can’t win. The players will strike and the owners will turn against each other unless teams in sinking markets are moved to profitable areas where growth is a certainty and revenue is consistently generated.

      In addition, the league must have determined that their rule emphasis coming out of the lockout was impossible to maintain. Either that or they’re just catering to Jeremy Jacobs and Ed Snider.

      Regardless of the how, the what is bringing this league down. I can only imagine the frustration of the executives who built their teams based on speed and skill following a lockout where the NHL promised that teams built with these attributes in mind would be rewarded and that slow, obstructing teams would be punished.

      The NHL’s failure to deliver on its promise has set a number of franchises back at least three years, more in some cases.

      • TommyB says:

        I disagree that the players will strike. They will be locked out, once again. Players want to play. Bettman may decide to take on Fehr as his swan song. Looking at the length of the Bettman era in the NHL, you have to think that era is coming to a close. Following the lockout, if it is as extended as the last one was, you may see at least one more southern franchise folded and handed to Mr. Jim Ballsilie. The other owners will welcome his cash at that point.

        • TomNickle says:

          I really don’t think Bettman will take Fehr on. Bud Selig lost that fight and Bettman won’t want his legacy tarnished quite that much. The players will want resolution to the problem with weak markets.

          I think you’ll find the players more willing to fight this time around. Much more so than the owners. They’re busy fighting amongst themselves.

        • Chuck says:

          Problem is that most of the teams in financial trouble would actually lose less money by not playing the games.

          • TomNickle says:

            They need to squeeze all of the revenue they can. It isn’t like arena lease payments are deferred in a lockout. The players have all of the leverage right now. I wonder if the realize it.

        • issie74 says:

          WRONG TommyB … Gary Bettman was given a new 5 year contract this year.

          NorthTOHab

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Of greater concern guys, above the suck-i-tude of the Boston and Van, is that we are supposed to be selling the game on US television.

      What are American kids seeing in this series? A bunch of crap, bad refs, bad classless play… it is really really disconcerting and worries me greatly.

      Gary Bettman is Satan ™

  39. habsfaninboston says:

    How does the ref justify giving Sedin got a 10 min. misconduct for taking 6 sucker punches from Marchand without retaliation?
    Also curious to know what Lappy must of said to get tossed out.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      “Sedin said he asked Sutherland why he wasn’t calling a penalty and the referee responded with ‘I will’. Sedin jokingly replied, ‘When, after the fifth punch?'”

      The refs apparently aren’t concerned in the least.

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    • TommyB says:

      Think for a second what we would be hearing and reading this morning had it been another young rookie who did that to one of the elite players in the league. You know, one who shows no respect. One who plays in Montreal and does not do things the white way.

      Next year, both players will no longer be rookies. I hope Marchand pulls a stunt like that against Montreal, or better yet, against that brash disrespectful defenceman of ours. One thing should be certain…Marchand has decided to make a name for himself, and as such, his sophomore year should be interesting. It should be open season on his ass. I look forward to the highlights.

      • TomNickle says:

        You’ve got it all wrong Tommy. Subban shows everyone in the league disrespect and Marchand is just a skilled pest doing his job. Come on. Very different circumstances. ;)

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        If Marchand pulls a stunt like that against the Habs nobody will do a thing because Chara, Lucic or somone else will be there to step in.

        • JayBee says:

          LOL, exactly what I was thinking.

        • TommyB says:

          Oh right. The boogeymen. You can believe that if you want to, but things do have a way of evening out in this game, and I believe that what goes around, comes around, and there will be a time when it comes around to Marchand or any other Bruin. It will just depend on the circumstances.

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah, we have a 6’7 225 pound prospect that will likely be in the NHL while Lucic is still a Bruin. This player coincidentally has a father who made his bones in the NHL by fighting. Something tells me Lucic, Chara and Thornton will not be nearly as tough as they are today when Tinordi is a couple of years into the NHL.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I agree Tommy. We happen to be on the small side today, I think because over the past 5 years we’ve taken the best skilled players available but we’ll have the option to sign UFAs with size and players will come up through our system like Tinordi, Schultz and others…

            What goes around comes around for sure…

        • TomNickle says:

          Lucic? You mean that guy who looks for the nearest linesman as soon as the guy he’s targeting turns around and looks him in the eye?

          Thornton, yes. Chara, yes. Lucic, no.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            As much as I hate lucic because of our rivalry, I’ve never seen him back down from anybody unless he’s worried about taking himself off the ice in a close game or getting an extra 2mins.

            But ya Tom, I can’t wait for Mr. Tinordi and hopefully a couple other big dudes that can play the game to arrive.

            The tides will turn, they always do….

          • TomNickle says:

            Your opinion that you’ve never seen him back down from anyone unless he was worried about spending time in the box is far more speculative than saying that no Habs would stand up to the Bruins thug tactics.

            I’m sorry but I don’t recall seeing a press conference or media interview where Lucic said that he skated away from Wisniewski and Moen after leveling Subban from behind because he was worried about spending time in the box. And just from a personal place here. With the way that I see the Bruins play, I find it infinitely difficult to believe that their actions are restrained based on a worry that they’ll go to the penalty box.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        What highlights?

        Did we sign a male hockey player I missed?

        We’ll be Boston’s bitch again next year, too. Sorry to say it, the truth hurts, it hurts a lot.

  40. naweed235 says:

    the problem is that Vancouver is going to play game 7 without 2 of their top 4 Defencemen and their 1st line winger where as the Only serious injury Bosston had to deal with all year is Horton…

  41. Chuck says:

    Regardless of who wins the next game, there will be no team deserving of being called ‘champions’.

  42. Hobie Hansen says:

    That Boston team is just brutal for other clubs to play a series against. After 4 to 6 games of getting leaned on by the Bruins a team can start to fall apart.

    The Bruins took care of Kessler early in the series, not sure if it was Chara but I have a feeling one of the big hits he gave Kessler did some damage. Then last night Mason Raymond was ridden into the boards and is now probably done for the playoffs.

    With the talk on this site about size and grit concerning the Canadiens all the time…the Bruins are sure making a case that the best way to challenge for the cup is to employ the biggest and nastiest team around.

    Teams have come close using that method on occasion, like the Flyers team led by Lindros in the 90s, but the Bruins have the goaltending to go along with their tough and sometimes dirty team.

    I personally would like to see a little more flash and dash than the Bruins employ but they’re one big and mean machine that has to be given credit for muscling their way to within one game of the Stanley Cup.

    It also helps that they have 9 lives in terms of escaping suspensions…

    • Caballero says:

      Yes the simple formula of Thomas stops everything while the team in front of him injures and physically assaults opposing players has really worked out in this league. The problem is that if all teams follow this model hockey will turn into football, which i guess is sort of Bettman’s dream anyway right.

      • shiram says:

        Not to take anything from Thomas, he’s been making the big saves, but he gets a ton of help from Chara and their D as well.
        I don’t think Thomas would have looked so great if he didnt tend the goal behind a good defensive team, and the giant Chara.

      • TomNickle says:

        Football players don’t have weapons at their disposal. There is much more honour in the way football players carry out their business than there is in the way teams like the Bruins, Flyers and a few other teams in the NHL carry out theirs.

    • MathMan says:

      “With the talk on this site about size and grit concerning the Canadiens all the time…the Bruins are sure making a case that the best way to challenge for the cup is to employ the biggest and nastiest team around.”

      See, this nonsense is why I don’t want Boston to win.

      Montreal outplayed Boston and if any of the other teams Boston faced had had even competent goaltending, Boston would be golfing at this point. On quality of play, Boston has no business being in the SCF and has no business winning the Cup, even with the injuries.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I agree totally, but Vancouver doesn’t deserve it either.

        Can we not award the Cup this year? That would be great. If Gary had any stones he’d call it a tie, say “We’re not playing game 7, both you teams suck too much.”

        Sorry, try again next year.

  43. smiler2729 says:

    Not that I love the Canucks’ style of play (does anybody here really miss Yappy?), but the hate for them in the media is hard to digest when the overrated, dirty f*cking Bruins are way worse in every facet.

    The crap that the officials are letting Boston get away with is maddening, am I the only one seeing this??

    And what’s with Nathan The Human Fart Horton being there waving a flag in a noisy crowd with flashing lights when he has a serious concussion?? Did Dr. Recchi clear this??

    Speaking of Dr. Recchi and concussions and/or fractured vertebraes caused by Bruins, how about Mason Raymond? Where’s the penalty/fine/suspension for Boychuk driving him into the boards with his stick between his legs??

    I give up, Gary, your league SUCKS.

    “If the Bruins played the Taliban, I’d root for the Taliban”

    • shiram says:

      This boring Stanley Cup finals is annoying me alot.
      The games are boring, but peppered with goonery, a stick slash here, a punch there…
      The game looks ugly, and it’s not entertaining to watch.
      Refs… well they seem to be giving an edge to the Bruins, or maybe they just turn a blind eye.

      Yup the League is in pretty bad shape when a SC final is that boring and sad.

    • Willy says:

      Agree totally. This series has been pointless and poorly officiated, much like this entire NHL season. It’s frustrating to watch the greatest sport on earth be ruined by arguably the worst commish and higher ups in pro sports. I say arguably because i hear the dude who runs the NBA is pretty awful as well.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Any irony that Bettman learned everything he knows from Papa Stern? The 2 pro North American leagues where a great many of the owners are losing money. NBA will be in for a long strike/lockout this offseason, unless that union caves early.

        • D Mex says:

          No irony at all.
          Buttman doesn’t know hockey and he doesn’t care about hockey.
          Money on the other hand, now there’s something he understands.

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

    • DearyLeary says:

      That and they chanted ‘diver’ at Raymond when he went down.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        There are many who feel we complain too much about Boston and the cheapshots etc…. But Leary is so right, when you watch a game in Boston and a player from opposing team is seriously injured, the camera pans and it is a scene directly from the Roman Gladiator times. People are genuinely happy to see another player seriously injured. Like throwing Chum in the water with sharks present. The players feed off this the crowd gets even crazier, all spawned from a hit that never should have taken place. The fans there have zero respect.

    • issie74 says:

      This has been talked about at nauseum all this year,it is the new NHL.

      NorthTOHab

    • Malreg says:

      Unfortunately since the word “Concussion” isn’t involved, most of the media won’t care.

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    For entertainment purposes only, can the CBC do a simulcast of the game with Bob Cole doing play by play. I have to believe both Sedins would become Mats Sundin. Burrows and Lapierre would probably become Laperierre. Of course Ryder will be the #1 star of the game for Boston then also.

  45. Ian Cobb says:

    There is no possible way that a team like Boston is going to beat a team like Vancouver at home and on decent ice. The thugs are done like dinner.

    Then again, Vancouver is playing with one of the most over paid and average goal tenders to ever get to the Stanley Cup finals.

    • D Mex says:

      I hate to say it, but it is entirely possible.
      Vancouver has caved to Boston in 50% of the final series to date.
      Last night, Thornton fired a puck into the Vancouver zone during the pre-game warmup and that punk Marchand threw 4 jabs into Sedin’s face during a single stoppage in play. Vancouver did nothing about it.
      Boston broke another back, literally, and now feel this thing is within their grasp. Who is going to oppose them ? It pains me to say this, but Don Cherry (of all people) expressed more outward contempt for Boston tactics on HNIC last night than Vigneault or anyone else from the Canucks has.
      So, yes, it is possible that a team like Boston wins if a team like Vancouver caves, again, in game 7. What a brutal thought …

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  46. 123456 says:

    Let’s be honest guys. So many people saying these finals are a waste… well last I checked tons of people are talking about it. Talking about the gooins, talkin gabout suspensions and late hits and punches and dirty play and whatever. The game is getting coverage and that’s what the NHL wants. Coverage = Money. While it may be sad, that’s today’s NHL. If I was Buttman I’d be sitting back enjoying all this. A game seven in the finals is the best script written. And a big US market winning the cup makes more $$.

  47. VintageFan says:

    This is all on the HABS! For 40 years they have been posted at the gate to keep the Boston Vermin out of the playoffs. On the few occasions where they have not bee able to do it themselves they have shown others how to do it.
    This year they failed, and the Thugs and Barbarians from Boston have been soiling the Hockey World.

  48. HardHabits says:

    The final game, to be decided by either:
    1) a goaltender who roams too often out of his blue paint,
    2) or by one who stays too far back in his crease.

  49. DAVE. N says:

    Once the score was 3-0, IMO the Canucks should have started to keep the Twins and Kesler on the bench. There was no friggin way they were going to put 4 past Thomas at home.
    Might have done 2 things..rested them and kept them from the scrums and punches, and sent a message when your not producing, you lose ice time, no matter when or what series your in.

    • Malreg says:

      So down by 3 with over 40 minutes to play, and you want to bench your 3 best offensive players? After you already lost a top 6 player to injury?

      So you think the Canucks should have played 2/3 of a game with less than 3 lines? I wonder why Vigneault didn’t think of that… Also, it’s not like nobody has ever come back from being down 3 goals before.

    • 123456 says:

      No, 3 or even 4 goals is not impossible. PLus what a terrible message to send… when the going gets tough we quit.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      The game was over DAVE, right after Luongo let in his first very stoppable 1st goal. He was brutal, again.!

  50. MathMan says:

    If nothing else, the Bruins are proving that you don’t need a great club to win the cup. Just a good one and everything falling into place.

    We knew that already, we just don’t like to admit it.

    The narrative for the playoffs is all wrong. Yes, Tim Thomas has been excellent, but what is more remarkable is that the Bruins have faced three very sub-par goaltending performances in a row. Fair enough (you only play the team that’s in front of you) but let’s realize that’s the story here, and please, let’s hope the stories trying to make us swallow that the Bruins are an elite club stop.

    Of course, if they win the Cup, they won’t; the polite fiction that the Cup champion is the strongest team in the league needs to be maintained, after all. Ah well, at least if/when the Bruins regress to the mean, we’ll be rewarded with puzzled wailing as to why Boston can’t fulfill the expectations.

    • HardHabits says:

      What the Bruins proved is that slow ice favours the team that plays like an American football defensive line. The ice in Vancouver is way faster.

      My only issue is this. Vigneault should have realized this and had the ‘Nucks playing a trap game in Boston for the 3 games there.

      I don’t want to see Boston win the Cup because a player like Brad Marchand should never be allowed to win anything. The dude is the worst little f*cking rat I have seen play the game in quite a while. I would love to see Vancouver run away with game 7 and in the final minutes Daniel Sedin beats the crap out of him.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        I couldn’t agree with you more regarding Marchand

        and you raise a good point about Vigneault… he hasn’t taken any heat for his complete lack of successful adjstments in their 3 road games, and no mention of him not having his team ready for those games. I’m not suggesting it’s all his fault, players play the games, but it’s curious that he hasn’t been called out once in this series, not that I’ve seen anyway.

      • DENEWF says:

        Amen to the marchand comment.

      • shiram says:

        Great word HardHabits, could not agree more.

  51. Caballero says:

    Lou needs some sessions with Tony Robbins

  52. Bugs says:

    I like how, in Lebrun’s article on the mark of champions being the ability to win on the road during the Finals, he points out how the Boston fans are great, great folks and tooootally deserving to win the Cup after 40 years, and just as the blood is beginning to boil in your system, he comes right back next paragraph with the Habs systematically crushing the Bs in the 70s en route to multiple Cups, thereby cleverly avoiding the barrage emails from wholly insulted fans (like me) who think Boston ain’t deservin of ANYTHIN, let alone a dang Cup, and where does HE get off suggesting such a thing?
    I’m tellin yehs, the Pope is sweatin bullets up there in Vaticanton cuz if the Bs win the Cup, it will PROVE that Jebus never existed and then, the whole SYSTEM comes crashin down. That’s SCIENCE; you can’t dispute it. This is bad news, man; this is really bad news. This is four horsemen type’o’sh*te, I’m tellin yehs.
    So fingers crossed for the Pope in his hour of need and God praise Jebus.
    And can someone get JA-RULE on the line to…to, I don’t know…to make some kinda SENSE of all of this? (if you know your Dave Chappelle)

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • HabFarmer says:

      In semi defense of Mr. Lebrun this is the quote:

      “Hey, don’t get us wrong; if Vancouver wins Wednesday night, you have to tip your hat to long-suffering Canucks fans who have waited 40 years for glory. They are some of the best fans in the game and deserve a Cup champion. But their team would have grown a lot more in our eyes had they come here to Boston on Monday night and delivered a championship-type performance in a tough rink”.

      So he’s talking about Vancouver fans. But I still get ya man, feel the same way. But I don’t like Vancouver either, so I guess I’m pretty much done with this series.

      “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

      • issie74 says:

        All I can say is anytime I watch this series(and that is not a lot)I appreciate more the small soft guys in Montreal and I wish Price had punched that twerp out(Thomas)when he had the chance.
        OLE !!! LES CANADIENS DU MONTREAL.

        NorthTOHab

  53. DENEWF says:

    If the bruins win, I’m not sure I can even watch the NHL anymore. I am so disgusted by the thought of them winning a cup, that it is comsuming me lately.

    I may just have to put all my “cheering” energy into my kids’ novice and initiation games next year and forget about all else.

    • MontrealAtheist says:

      Dude, if the ‘Nucks win they would be the most undeserving Cup champions in decades … I was cheering for Vancouver at the start of the series, but watching them “play” just makes me sick to the stomach.

      Boston is the only team in these finals that is playing like a true champion, showing up for every game and combining great goaltending with physical play.

      What did Vancouver have to bring to the table so far, apart from a hot goalie in half of the games, lot of unnecessary violence and complete no-shows on the road?

  54. boing007 says:

    Richard R
    The loss of Hamhuis was a killer for the Canucks.

  55. petefleet says:

    Very difficult to watch last night. It was akin to watching the Laffs pummle the Habs…..sickening.
    I hate the Bruins so bad that I might even pray for Van City. I do not like the Nucks either but there is no emotion there.
    Worst Cup final in the history of finals I’m sure. The 2 Nucks shut outs are completely overshadowed by their ineptness on the road.
    Poor, poor showing from both teams.
    BTW, do ya really think that Raymond had to be taken into the boards in that position? Any other team and that’s boarding.
    ***Habs Forever***

    ***Habs Forever***

  56. HabinBurlington says:

    In the Pierre McGuire rumour mill circles, there is talk Versus/NBC wants to make Pierre exclusive to them. He would only do special events for TSN like World Juniors. While this doesn’t remove him from our lives like a GM position with the Phoenix Coyotes would, it does remove some face time.

    Make the move NBC, hire him full time.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/40797-Campbell-Proposed-change-to-headshot-rule-doesnt-go-far-enough.html

  57. HabFanSince72 says:

    I didn’t see the game but based on match reports and the highlights it seems that the Nucks were doing OK until Luongo let in three very bad goals. If that’s the case then it was similar to games 3 and 4. It is hard to blame the forwards when the goalie is leaking goals.

    Put it another way: if Thomas is playing as well as any goalie in recent memory and Luongo is stinking up the joint, then the fact that it is going to game 7 suggests the Nucks skaters are outplaying the Bruins’.

    The interesting question is if Vancouver lose game 7 what do they do about Luongo?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      pray they can find someone take his contract, and move forward with Schneider.

      good luck finding anyone to take that contract, especially now that Philly seems to be set on Bryzgalov.

    • JayBee says:

      This is why you don’t sing goalies to those huge contracts. I don’t care if it’s cap friendly….I would never sign a goalie longer than 4-5 years.

    • ffenliv says:

      If only they could find a way to merge his hokey knowledge with a less annoying personality. I absolutely can’t stand listening to the way he talks, his cliches, his mannerisms, basically everything about him – except he does (in my opinion) often have a good handle on situations. Of course, his man-love for certain players often cancels out that knowledge while he’s gushing about someone.

  58. avatar_58 says:

    Honestly? Go boston.

    That weak assed Canucks team doesn’t deserve a cup. This is the best of the west? What a terrible conference if this is your best team. The Sedins are a damn joke, I think GOMEZ of all people would have more points by this point in the playoffs.

    Hell DARCHE has more points than their entire top line this series.

    I hate the Bruins but it would be a mockery of the cup to hand it to Luongo and those clowns

    • DearyLeary says:

      It would be a mockery to give it to a bunch of glorified thugs in the Bruins.

      Marchand punches Sedin in the face 4 times. No call. The NHL doesn’t want to get rid of the ‘scrum’, they openly encourage it with the way refs call the game.

      • Deano says:

        Although I believe you to be correct that the NHL does not want to eliminate the “scrum” (we have to have our NHL in the MMA style these days) … I think you are wrong about a non-call on Marchand (I think at 18:29 of the 3rd he got 2 minues for Roughing). Typical send a message junk at the end of decided game. Don’t like to watch it, don’t think it adds anything and I’d rather be watching skating, shooting and scoring>

      • avatar_58 says:

        So HIT BACK. Basic schoolyard advice – stop whining about the bully and hit him back harder. That’s the problem with the Sedin sisters, they have no fight in them. They just wait for pretty passes.

        • DearyLeary says:

          I agree that the Sedins want to make every play adorable, it bothers me too. They don’t fight through pressure.

          But what’s Sedin supposed to do? Fight Marchand? Your best player for a rookie? That’s a great tradeoff for the Bruins. That’s why they have a little bitch like Marchand taking runs at players with skill.

          The NHL says they want to get ‘scrums’ out of the game. Bullspit. They want mindless violence, it’s why they love the Bruins.

          • Deano says:

            Agree … even though the game was gone, Sedin can not let Marchand “win” by dragging him down. I do think it was the oddest call to give Sedin a 10 minute miscduct for “Receiving”. Maybe he told him to: “Fan Ta Dig”

    • MontrealAtheist says:

      Couldn’t agree more with you, brother … Vancouver is sucking so badly, even Habs fans turn to the Bruins and this is saying something.

      It’s been a long time since I last saw a team as bad as the 2010/11 Canucks in the Stanley Cup finals.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      nice article 24, and as usual great dog pic, lol.

      If I was a Nashville fan, I’d be screaming to keep Ward. Just look at the playoffs, the utimate tell all. SK impressed all year with his regular season prduction, and then dissappeared in the playoffs. Ward on the other hand, blue collar’d it all year, then all of a sudden in the playoffs he’s one of their most important defensive forwards and he’s potting clutch goals.

      The proof is in the pudding, playoff performances should be what stands out to a team.

    • punkster says:

      Good find 2-4-C. How long before we get the first HI/O poster demanding we trade to get SK back? I say a week.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • MathMan says:

      Sergei is a good player, but he’s not as good as his brother.

      A lot of people judge players solely on their goal-assist-points stats (and then say I’m too number-focussed ;) ). Sergei’s just had a bumper season. He’s not going to continually shoot 25%.

      The Predators would be wise to consider what he’s worth when he’s shooting 13% like just about every scoring forward in the league. He’s worth keeping, but at a reasonable price.

      And they need to improve their roster so they don’t rely on freakin’ Sergei Kostitsyn as a front-line scorer!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The author of that article assumes SK will get 2-3M.

      Why would they have to give an RFA with one full season in the league that much?

      • issie74 says:

        They gave it to AK and then he disappeared figuratively and literally.

        On the ice but not in the game.

        This year he was a little better.

        When asked by reporters why he was playing JM replied “it’s a contract year”

        NorthTOHab

  59. higginrs says:

    Boring game last night. No fight for the comeback even slightly detectable. So many penalties just sucking the wind out of Vancouver momentum. Really, the whole series has been rather dull. Yawwwwwwn…

    Maybe this is why the media has to talk about all the childishness going on – because so little of interest is going on in terms of actual hockey. I could miss game seven and not feel bad at all.

  60. slychard says:

    If anything, should the bruins win, pardon me as I choke back my dry-heaves…ok I’m back, as I was saying should the bruins win, arghh, excuse me, dry-heaves again…uhhh, anyway I hope this lights up the fire in the habs for next season.

  61. DearyLeary says:

    Hey, a loud, brightly lit building is no place to be with a severe concussion. Did someone tell Dr. Recchi that Horton was in the building last night? He would be appalled.

  62. HabinBurlington says:

    Truly a bizzarre Stanley Cup Final. For obvious reasons most of us don’t want to see Boston win, even though they are outscoring the Canucks by a large margin.

    Yet you have a Canucks team, whom while I am cheering for them to beat the Bruins whom I most importantly don’t respect, if they do indeed win could be the least deserving Cup winner in a long time.

    I recognize this team has injuries, but they do not appear to look anything like the team we watched all regular season and through the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Very weird final, I will still hope for a Vancouver win, because I hate Boston, but this is just too weird of a final for me.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Gerald – Due to injuries, Vancouver has become a one line team in terms of scoring. One line hockey teams usually don’t win the Cup. The Canucks win Wednesday if three things happen: the Sedins play lights out, the PP abandons it’s perimeter play and gets down and dirty and Luongo maintains his home ice dominance.

      If Boston scores first…….

      Hab fans need to fortify their liquor cabinets for Wednesday’s game. I’m smelling an upset in the making.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree my friend, and unfortunately for Vancouver their one line has had nothing going all series. I had hoped in the 3rd period after Hank potted that goal they may get a little momentum going for game 7.

        If for no other reason than to shove it down fricking Milbury’s throat (like a shoe to the head) would be sweet if the Sedin’s found a way to break it open tonight.

        If Boston scores first, well then we face a Bruin like version of Armageddon… Marchand will go from pesky rat like creature, to savvy clutch cup winner whom every team needs. Oh the agony of it all…

        • 24 Cups says:

          My worst nightmare is that Milbury will replace Cherry when he finally retires.

          On a more positive note, it’s time to start enjoying a beautiful summer day.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yah, I went golfing yesterday afternoon, thought the world was right, turned on the hockey game, and the nightmare started all over.

            More golf less Bruins = much more enjoyable life.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            Luckily, CBC will likely lose their NHL rights within 5 to 10 years, so we shouldn’t have to put up with Milbury on coaches corner for too long… we just have to hope that Sportsnet or TSN doesn’t go out and hire that clown.

          • Clay says:

            At least Milbury dresses slightly better…that’s another positive I can see there. :)

            __________________________
            Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

            Winston Churchill

  63. JayBee says:

    If the Bruins win there will be an asterix for me. I’ve never seen a team get bailed out by the league, reffing in my 20+ seasons of watching hockey. It almost makes you think this has all been pre-determined.

  64. G-Man says:

    The Headline says it all. Boston doesn’t deserve the next game. The goonery and thug tactics haven’t stopped.
    Here’s hoping they have their hearts broken tomorrow night, the miserable shieces of pit.
    By the way, what did Dr. Recchi say of Horton’s appearance? Obvious embellishment.

  65. slychard says:

    Julien still blows

  66. RetroMikey says:

    All I got to say is…yeah baby yeah!
    A game 7 back to Vancouver.
    Got to admit with Boone, Boston has played hard every game in this final.
    My hat goes off to Claude Julien, why Bobby let him go is beyond me.
    It will be interesting to watch Julien sip the Champagne on National TV and grin at Gainey and Boivin who let him go.
    Love the undergogs!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • 24 Cups says:

      RM – Ryder is 8/9/17 in the playoffs. Recchi is 5/8/13 with 6 points in the final so far. Marchand is 9/7/16. Who would have thunk it.

      Tim Thomas, the best player in hockey right now, is 15/9/2.06/.937 in 24 games at the age of 37. Remarkable.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      “All I got to say is…yeah baby yeah!”

      “It will be interesting to watch Julien sip the Champagne on National TV and grin at Gainey and Boivin who let him go.”

      You sicken me.

      • G-Man says:

        Your last sentence sums it up nicely.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          and it’s not like I’m saying anyone has to root for the Canucks… but to be actively cheering for the Bruins, and saying “yeah baby yeah” when they win and goon it up… there’s just no way that person is a real Habs fan, even if they think they are.

          • RetroMikey says:

            Come to my hometown in Hamilton and my home is always welcome for you to see that I , am one of the biggest, passionate Habs fans and memorabilia collectors in Southern Ontario.
            I have a museum shrine of the Habs I built!
            I have every right to criticize the team and where it is heading to nowhere and many like you cannot accept it.
            So this is a free country in Canada, I can say whatever I want and root for whoever I want.
            It sickens me that you and others don;t have a mind of your own and whatever one optimistic Habs fans says, all of you jump the bandwagon and agree.
            The real world is not like that. God will agree.

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • issie74 says:

            The beatdown in Boston as everyone one this page likes to call it,the Habs lost 8-6.

            With a bunch of too small too soft guys with no grit.

            If they (the Habs)had wanted to they could have had retribution in the very next game,by reaching down to the AhL and bringing up guys like Bonneau but that message was not what they wanted to send.
            NorthTOHab

      • Willy says:

        Agreed completely. Mikey is a bozo.

    • Caballero says:

      Dude,

      Boston is not an underdog team. They have the best goalie in the world, they have the biggest and strongest player in the league in Chara and the biggest and toughest goons in Lucic et al.
      So stop with this underdog thing it makes me sick that on top of winning and physically assaulting other teams, Boston fans have this “nobody said we would win and no one believed in us” mentality. That’s just Hab fans hoping that the Boston team bus goes flying off a cliff! Cute dog by the way.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      A pack of bullies and thugs with no honour, respect or class in the organization. They’ve gotten away with breaking the rules all season while they strive to drag the game down into the street gang nonsense that the Flyers used in the 70s.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  67. Clay says:

    Criticism of the entire Canucks roster is unwarranted here, IMO. Luongo is to blame certainly. But there is something I’m not hearing enough about…

    Not pulling a clearly rattled goalie after 2 fast ones early in the first – and after his horrendous last 2 games in the ‘Gahden’ to boot – that’s called bad coaching.

    Vancouver was pressing up until that point, and those (terrible) goals killed momentum. Luongo should have been gone then, with lots of time to play and a 2 goal deficit. The third was the killer though – too deflating for the Canucks, and no coming back from that.

    With good goaltending, Vancouver could easily have had a 2-1 victory, and their first cup ever. Instead they head home for game 7 with a deflated team and a fragile goalie.

    But with Luongo’s home record in this series, can you start the back-up? Tough call.

    __________________________
    Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

    Winston Churchill

    • 123456 says:

      only the second goal was really a bad goal. thiurd goal he could not see… first goal he could have had but wa sa good shot and terrible defense. the vancouver defense fell apart again – gave up too many chances. . . and.. if sedin buries that early open net it’s a totally different game.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        At some point if you are a world class goalie make big saves, especially early in a game. Luongo didn’t make 1 big save the entire time in Boston this series. (save 1-2 in total through game 3 and 4).

        There is no defending Luongo and his play on the road. Evidently he is different at home, well strikes me as a mentally weak player.

      • Clay says:

        No.
        The first goal was awful. The defense was fine – he kept the skater to. the outside, and Luongo has a clear look at a long shot. He blew it. The second was even worse. And the third was totally stoppable.
        He needed to be pulled after the second.

        __________________________
        Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

        Winston Churchill

  68. Fansincebirth says:

    In truth, I switched channels after the second goal…just had a feeling.

    Watched the ‘highlights’ this morning and watching the little douchebags called the Bruins continue to be the favoured sons of the league makes me puke. So many players on that team need a good beating or suspension and still nothing gets done. Would have been nice to see Sedin suddenly raise his stick and give that PoS Marchand a two hander across the chops. Worth the suspension!

    The Bruins, as a team disgust me. They remind me off all the things I hate about hockey.

    Please, for love of all things we hold near and dear and for all the ghosts of the Forum, COME ON ‘NUCKS!!!!

  69. Old Bald Bird says:

    First two links go to the same place — ESPN.

  70. MontrealAtheist says:

    I hate the Bruins as much as the next guy, but c’mon … anything but a Bruins win in game 7 would be a mockery of hockey justice. The Canucks are probably the last team in the league who deserve to lift Lord Stanley’s Cup.

    All the Habs greats in hockey heaven would be turning in their graves if they knew that a team like Vancouver would get to lift “their” Cup despite these lousy performances.

  71. bel33 says:

    Watching the Canucks in the mid to late second period last night… I swear my men’s league team might have done a better job. They were disgusting to watch… completely flat and lifeless. Jesus… score the first goal… and they’ll never look back!


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