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The way they’re playing right now, they’ll beat Carolina. They look like they’re actually having fun and that’s key. That Boston game will be a measuring stick of how good they are cause you know the Bruins will be up for it. I’ll be hoping we see White by then to bring some additional jam.
McGuire for GM!
Roy for Coach!
Sh*t for Brains!
Right now, what will bother the Canadiens hopes in getting the wins this week is this ‘trade rumors’ swirling around the media.
EDIT: The players who are and who are not playing are distracted by what’s going to happen come the 27th of this month.
What Gauthier should do is way his options first if he does want to sell key players like Gill, Moen, Kostitsyn, or Campoli. For me though, I wouldn’t do a big trade right now and wait till the season is over. Its too early to make an assesment based on each individual’s performance since this week, the Habs are performing well. Let’s hope this week “will be” the ice breaker.
Also, we need Markov and White back ASAP. That would help this team push the pace and make some huge wins this remaining games of the season.
The number of European born players who have had their jersey number retired by the Habs.
Must be a conspiracy!!!!!
The first European NHLer inducted into the HOF was Borje Salming, in 1996 (Tretiak was inducted before him).
The influx of Europeans into the NHL started after the Habs’ last dynasty, and in any case we were very slow to sign Europeans.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
The Habs drafted Mats Naslund in 1979. The Canadiens were in fact ahead of other organizations in the late 1970s as far as global scouting was concerned. Interestingly, so too were the Leafs — despite Harold Ballard.
You are both right. I’ve read interviews with Naslund in the past where he noted that he was VERY frustrated with the Habs for not showing more interest in him as a prospect. I believe he stated that he was close to demanding a trade, and it took a lot of pressure from Naslund’s camp for them to bring him over.
So the Habs (who drafted Naslund in 1979; Ingman, Eriksson, Hegen and Dahlin in 1981; Jarvenpaa in 1982; and Svoboda in 1984) were drafting Europeans relatively early, but they weren’t necessarily the best at developing them.
The success — insofar as actually making the Montreal Canadiens — of Naslund, Dahlin, and Svoboda seems at odds with your conclusion that the Canadiens weren’t the “best at developing them.” I think your conclusion needs some context and qualification. The early 1980s was an era of “big men.” Scott Bowman was trying to build a team of skilled behemoths in Buffalo, and teams around the league were doing the same. Indeed, this was one of the central reasons why the Canadiens drafted Doug Wickenheiser over Denis Savard. Some of the Canadiens’ scouts wondered whether Savard could handle the rigors of an increasingly beefy Adams Division. I have no interest in revisiting the Wickenheiser decision, but simply want to point out that players like Dahlin were in fact incapable of handling the rigors of NHL hockey at that time. That is what makes Naslund so special.
Good points, Hema. My comment about development was more referring to the fact that there seemed to be a bit of a Euro-bias in the Habs organization and they almost lost a very good player in Mats Naslund because of it.
While some teams were beefing up, there certainly wasn’t any problem for many other Europeans in the NHL. The success of Peter Stastny in Quebec, Jari Kurri in Edmonton, Thomas Gradin in Vancouver, Anders Hedberg in Winnipeg (WHA) and New York, etc. should have been enough proof that European players could cut it.
I understand that the old “Black and Blue” Adams Division might have been an exceptional case given the teams that were being built, but small guys were excelling all over the league. I have no doubt that Naslund’s slight stature was an issue for the Habs, but there had to be more to them waiting until he was 23 years old to bring him over when he had wanted to come over as early as when he was 20 years old.
Your comments are always thoughtful Chris. You mentioned Peter Stastny. I remember how much I despised him — but it was because of how tough he was, and because he was such a threat to put the game away with a goal or remarkable pass. While what you write about Naslund may be true, it was also the case at that time that players for the Canadiens did not end up playing on the big team until they were 22 or 23 years of age (e.g., Keith Acton, Chelios). The bias to which you referred was, it seems to me, universally applied to Canadian-, American-, or European-born players. Therefore, I am not sure it was a “bias” at all.
For me, the hated Nordique was Michel Goulet. Dreaded that guy.
Good points on the development process in Montreal. What was surprising perhaps was that they weren’t even interested in bringing him over to play him for a year in Sherbrooke. But perhaps he nixed that based on having had two very strong seasons in the Swedish Elite League.
Realistically, the only Europeans the Habs have had that would be considered stars were Naslund (not happening), Koivu (not happening, barring consideration of his international career) and Kovalev.
Europeans in the Hall of Fame:
1998: P. Stastny
2001: Fetisov, Kurri
Pretty lean list. Selanne, Lidstrom, Hasek, Chara and Jagr are all slam-dunks. I’ve been arguing today that Sundin should get in. After that, I suspect Kiprusoff will get a long look (and probably get in).
the point was we should be proud of only retiring Canadian players numbers.
What about Federov, Marcus Naslund, Alfredsson, Forsberg, or Elias.
Fedorov for sure. Bad oversight on my part.
Naslund…tough to say. Career point total is about 500 less than Sundin, who many feel shouldn’t get in.
I like Alfredsson a lot, and I’d vote for him. But he’ll be a borderline case.
Elias deserves credit for being such a complete player. But his numbers right now are almost identical to those of Bondra, although Bondra’s came largely from goals (503 on his career). Bondra was an elite scorer in the mid-late 1990’s, but I can’t see him getting a lot of attention. And if he doesn’t get in, Elias is going to need a couple more point-per-game seasons to get in.
Forsberg will face the same issue as Pavel Bure. Bure is basically one of the top goal-scorers in history whose career was cut short by knee injuries. Forsberg is one of the best all around players the game has ever seen. Both guys SHOULD get in, but the Hall of Fame voters get silly sometimes.
It will really depend on who they come up against when they are eligible.
I am not certain what you are intending to demonstrate. Which European-born former Montreal Canadien deserves to have his jersey retired? I can think of only one possibility: Mats Naslund. I adored Naslund, but I wouldn’t claim he should have his jersey number retired.
Markov could be playing games in two weeks. He working hard and not feeling any pain in his knee. He wants to get back now that the team has a shot at the playoffs. Come on Marky we need you.
If he comes back, all bets are off.
If we need a big centre so much, why not develope Pacioretty? He is young and seems to have all the tools. We could then give Kotstitsyn the place in the top six he needs.
No…let’s not mess up one of our key players.
Tried converting John LeClaire to centre years ago did not work & messed big time with his game…..
Patches will develop into a big centre and a strong power forward (well, he already is). What Gauthier and Habs management should do is sign this kid long term.
I like your idea derfab. I can see Patch becoming an excellent center man. He certainly has the size, the skating and the work ethic to do very well at that position. He can be taught the rest. He could become our Jonathan Toews. They’re the same height, Patch may be about 5 lbs heavier.
We are only 7 points back of 8th place now!
It can be done! And I think the boys now know it can be done with this coaching staff. They still believe, so why should we not.?
At the very least, we are being entertained again.
If Cunnyworth can get this team into the play offs, he will be coach of the year!
I’m with you Ian.
We were 13 points out ten days ago.
If they manage to place themselves in the playoffs, they’ll have to play lights out!
They’ll be the hottest team in the NHL, and could take on anyone.
Last night, on RDS, whey were showing the Red Wings’ success this year. They’ve accumulated 15 of a possible 20 points in their last ten games, and the only team to make them look bad was our Habs.
Go Habs Go!
Maybe I should start ordering all our play off Summit tickets now!
You might want to wait until Feb 28th, just in case PG has a brain meltdown.
Fantastic, your patented jynx. Might as well pack in the season
The eternal optimist!
And that represents 7 wins not 3.5 games as 2 points per game suggests. The Habs have 1 less win than losses whereas the two teams the Habs are trying to catch (Ottawa and Toronto) each have 6 more wins than they do losses. 7 wins out is the reality. 3 and a half wins is the perception.
There is a still much ground to climb to take the play-off hill.
a whopping 19.3%
Nearly double over yesterday. Just keep on winning and watch the number inch ever higher.
GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the Habs don’t make any moves at the trade deadline. They’ve been playing amazing hockey of late, they’ve been playing playoff hockey. They have 4 awesome lines (yes – I still like what Gomez brings to this team) and if Gionta wasn’t out it would be Gomez – Gio -AK for a line. They have 4 lines and none of them are a true 4th line. So the kid line is the energy line. The Habs have the biggest team that they’ve had since the 93′ run.
I don’t know – I always fall in love with anyone that wears the Habs jersey, I like all the players and never want to see anyone traded. Even Gomez! Hehe.
4 Games this upcoming week, which can allow the habs to have 63 points and potentially be in the playoff picture by the end of the week.
They are a better team that where they are in the standing at the moment – this season has just been a weird one.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if Gomez is back next year too. He may not be putting up lots of points, yet I think his presence is great for the locker room and it makes me happy to see him and Andrei chatting it up on the bench.
Since it’s a team game, I find that every single player during this run has been playing excellent. Even Kaberle and Campoli. When they play as a team, it’s not about individual performances – thus why each player is able to play to their strengths. When they play as a team – players weaknesses are overcome and everyone is giving a helping hand to those weaknesses.
I stare at the standings all the time, and they are super close to being right in the playoff mix. With a strong performance this week, Habs land can go crazy and realize that this team, CAN.
I wish it was monday already. This next game is HUGE!
So yeah – I personally don’t want to see any trades, I’d like Randy to be back behind the bench next year, and I’d like management to extend faith in the team they have put together – and I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up doing that. And I also LOVE the Bourque trade. His goal last night was reminiscent of Cammi and for half the price, with a 2nd rounder and a prospect in the minors, it’s a great trade.
GO HABS GO!!!
7 games left before the trade deadline, possibe 14 points. It’s gonna be a really tough decision if were something like 6 points back of 8th spot at the trade deadline. I like the core of the team but there are missing pieces to the equation if we want to have a chance at a deep playoff run. Darche, Gill, Campoli and when he’s healthy Moen have all been seeing extra ice time lately… they’re being shopped around. If anyone is interested we should ship em. Cause if we don’t trade and end up making the playoffs forget about home ice advantage, 8th spot maybe 7th at best. we’d be goin up most likely against the rangers or the Bruins, both teams built for the playoffs. Add to that we have the worst powerplay in the league and only one line that consistantly produces 5 on 5… it might not be pretty. And a lot of people bring up the run 2 years ago against washington and Pittsburgh, and granted you never know what could happen. But the odds of that happening are stacked against us. Eller, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Leblanc, Subban, Diaz, Emelin, and Price are young talent with a bright future. I think we should try to build around them.
I have to disagree with the four awesome lines, the Habs keep dressing seven defensemen, and its not because those defensemen are all stars.
Watching the rangers game….can’t believe how we got hosed and lost mcdonaugh. Makes great plays, plays on the pp and pk
Yes and Gomez being what we got in return is salt in the wound
My other half is a Leafs fan as well…when we got our first goal he yelled pull Reimer…too funny
Oh nvm I just got it SORRY
I’m so happy for the boys win last night…bring on the Canes
A lot of folks here on HIO advocating for the trade of Travis Moen and I’m not sure I understand why. For 1.5mil he does a lot of good things for the club. While his point production this year is an aberration, his defensive play, penalty killing, forechecking, hitting, general toughness, etc. are what he brings every game.
Now, if some team is willing to clearly overpay to acquire his services, then sure, make the trade. Just make sure you re-sign him in the summer as a UFA
If I were PG, I’d offer him a new 3 year deal in the range of 1.5-2.0mil and wouldn’t think twice.
– Honestly yours
It’ll be mighty interesting to see how things develop with Moen. He’s a great character guy and I’ve always liked him on the team. If he does get traded at the deadline I hope that we get a top 60 pick in return, and are still able to sign him back on July 1st.
One reason to trade him is that Moen type players are available every UFA season.
Get a pick now, and sign someone else next summer. If not, Ryan White can adequately replace Moen.
I agree but to defend most who have suggested to trade him, including myself 2 weeks ago, I think he could return a decent prospect or draft pick, which is good for the future. Since the Habs are starting to win the games we should be winning, I think his value is going up but so is the team’s need to keep guys like Moen.
Was last night our Stanley Cup Night?
The past few games sure have been fun to watch. This coaching staff has the boys playing for each other.
With all our injuries and our very youthful players still making mistakes, I see chemistry out there. Best in more than two years. This coaching staff will do just fine next year.
We should have Gionta, White, Markov, Blunden as well a few new kids, Gallagher and a few more .
There will be a couple of moves, and over the summer, but this young team will be very good next year.
It is going to be a lot of fun for the rest of the way , even if we cannot catch up, the kids are maturing under this good coaching staff. I am liking them a lot
Right on Ian, couldn’t agree more. I really like the direction of the team, lots of young players and some studs on the way (Tinordi, Beaulieu) and we have the makings of a good team. Give RC a chance, looks like he has the team playing hard.
“We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”
—Fred “The Fog” Shero
Tyson- We have built through the draft, Gomez Gionta, Gill and Cammilarie were brought in until all these kids get ready for NHL caliber of play. We are already looking good. It is to bad that we had to give up McDonaugh.
OK! to everything you say but Gionta next year. I liked a fellow poster’s suggestion. Gallagher in Gionta’s spot.
Nice goal by McDonaugh but looks like he injured himself the same time
So Larry Brooks is surprised by “The Campbellization of the NHL Department of Player Safety”.
Someone should paint him a picture. Or let him visit Campbell’s and Shanny’s office suites, sitting next to each other with a connecting two-way mirror.
Moore plays for which team? Oh yeah, Tampa Bay.
Isn’t the GM of Tampa Shanny’s best friend?
Am I implying a conspiracy theory?
Wait, when Campoli arrived, and was nailed in the head by Ryan Malone, because he “tilted his head” into the check, there was no call, but assuredly a discussion between the Shanahans and the Yzermans at the sunday dinner table.
Stevie bought himself a lifetime “get outa discipline” card.
Just as Daddy Campbell gave Claude Julien last year.
Because if there was any other explanation, Chara would have gotten it last year for breaking Max Pac’s neck, and the same Max would have gotten a bye for his hit on Letang, who’s head just happened to drop into the hitting line, just like Campoli’s had.
Man it feels good to paste the Leafs 5-zip! Way to capitalize boys!
Well they’re pissing away a top 5 draft pick but they’re doing it in style. The look on Burke’s face as they destroyed the “center of the hockey universe” was priceless.
When a Coach publicly blames a player for a loss you know he will start losing the room…….doesn’t matter if he is right or wrong. This isn’t the 50’s. The Wilson era is near the end. Burke came to TO preaching “his” teams are built from the net out. After 4 (or is it 5) years he has failed. They have improved but my Mother could have done the same. Hab fans in TO and the GTA who admire this blowhard are more sucked in than half the Leaf fans. God I love embarssing that team!! Its a good day.
I have always been baffled as to why the Leafs management staff takes that approach of throwing their players under the bus on such a regular and consistent fashion. Say what one will about Gauthier, but I am glad that he is the “un-Burke” in his (rare) public pronouncements on the Habs’ fortunes.
Hey Shane, our wives should get together.
The set upstairs is always on Owe.
But I hear ya buddy..
My son is a (ready for this?) Bruins’ fan.
EDIT: Why this ended up at the top, instead of commenting on your post, is beyond me.
Re. your son… Nothing a good ol’ fashioned beating wont solve!
Of course I am kidding!
maybe and exorcism instead?
Thanks, but I already tried that.
He started acting like Will Ferrell.
As a punk-rock warlord I have to ask:
Who is Witney Houston?
What are Grammy Awards?
Why didn’t you post one of my videos when I died suddenly?
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
They did nothing for you at the Grammy’s, other than having Bruce Springsteen, Dave Grohl, Elvis Costello, Stevie Van Zandt, Pete Thomas, and one of the dudes from No Doubt play London Calling in tribute.
Actually that was pretty good.
London Calling ( the album ) is solid start to finish, a great way to spend 70 minutes
plecks is another player that once the team gets better is a piece you need to win the cup..like pk…on the other hand i think it is time to move on with ak46…i know many posters love him but he is just too inconsistent..
Pleks needs to big strong wingers a la Max and Cole.
That would make him the second coming of Datsyuk
you’re right about AK unfortuneately
From the Stars article:
“The Leafs have lacked a big, playmaking centre who can carry the team on his shoulders since Sundin left in 2008.”
Muahahaha welcome to the “eternally looking for a big centre” club. BTW weren’t they 1st in the east like in November?
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❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞
I like this video from the Habs website:
Gorges is distracted by Price ‘and’ the reporter (I guess).
Noticed Bob Gainey and his beret at the game last night.
What EXACTLY is Gainey’s title with the team?
Maybe,he has nothing to do with the team..just in Toronto to take in the game while he acts as a mediator in the ongoing dispute between Mayor Rob Ford and Karen Stintz as to LRTs/subways.
He’s a special adviser. I know there is a lot of hate on BG but he took the team from being absolutely terrible, to a playoff team every year and he made a lot of good deals along the way (Rivet for Gorges and Pacioretty!)
Every single manager makes mistakes. EVERY ONE. But in Montreal, for every 10 great moves, the fans only remember the one bad move.
I’ll never understand some people.
sniff sniff, I can’t believe we didn’t draft Giroux, yeah and neither did 21 other teams, it happens.
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a person who with everything he’s been through still comes to work every single day and does what none of us here will ever do
Don’t go generalizing now!
I manage my bank account.
I manage my business.
I manage my dysfunctional family.
I manage to write on here.
I manage to read some bias, hostile, generalizing quotes….
Come to think of it….never mind.
Hey I’m a CEO
I should be an NHL GM now…..in fact I just signed up for the NHL GM College or like we like to call it the NHLGMC. Oh my god is that Brian Burke sitting in front of me?
oh never mind it’s Lard Nabbits
All right then, Good night, god bless, I’ll be here all week.
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Is that the Buttman GM school of managing?
I think term one on the curriculum is generalizing, right?
It doesn’t matter. They kicked me out.
I speak too much french.
And I’m not arrogant enough.
I parlez vous the ding dong, but they laugh at me too.
Oh my god I think Burkie just farted.
well said again
I said that in one of my comments on the last blogpost. Gainey was holding a pen and paper during the game. I’m asking the same question like you, what is his role in helping this team to get good picks and what stunt is he concocting right now? If he’s writing notes on how to trade Scott Gomez to another team or how to farm him in Hamilton, fine! If he’s doing something else like looking for a trade for our key players like Gil, Moen, Kostitsyn, etc… then we got ourselves an issue here. He’s not anymore the GM so he should step aside and let the current staff do their work (or damage – hope not so!).
If he can bypass Ford and still get to build the subway instead of LRT and can get some GM to take Gomez I’ll worship his beret.
Bypass Ford, build subway instead of LRT,get some GM to take Gomez.
In other words, a Triple Crown winner!
we beat carolina monday we are 5 points back LETS DO THIS
I support Scott Gomez
Just to give our enthusiam a bit more spice, I thought I could let us view again this petite scrum by the two coaches of both teams:
Kirk Muller vs Randy Cunneyworth –
HABS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS
I like how Eller drove to the net last night. He must be watching how Cole does that and sees that it pays off. Not many Habs have had the balls to do that for quite a few years. Eller could be that big centre we’ve been waiting for.
Oh the impact Cole has had. Let’s all keep this in mind, so in three years if he’s not as good anymore we don’t shit all over him and PG for making the signings.
Yep, I’ll give PG that one. Money well spent there……But Kaberle?
You mean the way many sh*t on Pleks because his +/- is in the negatives even though he’s one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL? Or the way they poop on AK because he only scores 20+ goals/year, is top 3 on the team for hits every year, and yet there’s always talk of trading him?
Plek would be a great third line centre on a contender and AK a good second line winger with a good setup centre. I’m sorry but I just don’t see much more there.
I can give you the name of a very good opthamologist.
LOL…I think my eye guy called it immaculate degeneration… or something like that.
Eller has drove to the net more than a few times in his Hab career – It’s just he finished the play & scored this time so people remember the play and don’t remember the non goals…….
Yes he has, I just don’t remember anyone else other than Cole doing it for a long time. It’s good to see.
That is exactly what I thought as I watched the goal last night. They didn’t know that they could do that move until Cole showed them it was possible. Love the example that he is setting.
Not really a Mea Culpa: or a Re-post from the other page
I used to advocate the tank for years strategy as it has served Chicago, Pittsburgh, (also the Nordique/Avs) and to a lesser extent Washington well. I am tending to hover towards the it’s acceptable once every 10 years mode. Don’t forget, that to me tanking isn’t throwing games, it’s just a way to describe doing poorly (as in the film tanked at the box office). Tanks make better avatars than abstract concepts such as rebuilds or astute player development. I don’t even think there can be an avatar for a rebuild or an astute player development. Tanks make for easy images to recognize and my use of the imagery was always to invoke critical thinking as well as provoke it.
The salary cap changes things considerably. One of the most often used arguments against Tanking™ is that high draft picks do not have value, with lists of high picks that have never won Cups or lists of teams that have had high picks and have yet to win Cups either. Yet these people seem to forget all the other aspects that make a team a winner. Having a high pick only guarantees that a team can draft elite talent that is more often than not found in the top picks than in the lower ones. The bottom line is that drafting is a very important aspect in team building. If a team drafts well they can build with that asset or trade it for something better.
All one need do is look to Gorges and Pacioretty and their value to the Habs. The only price to pay to acquire those players was trading Rivet (Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 3 #68 overall 1992 NHL Entry Draft). Contrast that to a 1st and a 2nd for Tanguay, a 2nd for Schneider, a 2nd for Wisniewski.
I would hope the Habs do not become buyers this trade dead-line at any cost, because that usually means giving up long term assets for short term gains. I’d rather they stand pat if anything if they look to be 4-5 games above .500 by the time the trade deadline comes around. I still think long term a sell off and high pick is more valuable than a play-off attempt that falls short. However I empathize with those that see the psychological advantage of the latter and tend to agree, as long as it truly represents the foundation of that winning mentality continuing on into the next regular season.
I think all options have to be kept open and the short and long term benefits and pitfalls weighed in advance. At least it has gotten interesting. Still much gut wrenching drama for a while yet.
I don’t think theres any chance of being buyers this year. Even if they are still in the race at the deadline they need to get what they can for Gill and Moen and even Kaberle if possible. It’s all about the future now boys.
I really hope that the Habs do not become buyers. and trade away picks. I’m of the opinion that the Habs should still try to get picks for Gill, Campoli and Nokelainen if possible. Not sure what to think of about Moen. AK should be re-signed at a reasonable price. I don’t think Kaberle can be moved – he actually isn’t that bad overall even though his contract is unfortunately on the long side.
In any case, it’s great to see the Habs doing well now, but I don’t see the point in keeping players that should eventually be replaced to make the Habs a better overall team, especially defensively as another shutdown D would be incredibly useful, I think.
I married a leaf fan and she understands the plight we are going through.Last night killed her like it’s been killing us. With the way the points system is today I believe we have to be sellers. With so many teams closer than we are, our value for our assets is probably going up. We lost our chances in the first couple of months. I’m afraid it’s time to look to the future.
OK after a great Hockey Night in Canada party (2 Habs fans 4 Leafs fans, we do it every game they play vs) I decided to read the rest of the post from last night’s game.
POSTS OF THE NIGHT (only two stuck out)
2. FROM BILL
February 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I’m not a Tanker (sorry HH) but people even thinking about playoffs right now … you have to to stop.
It’s awesome to shut-out the Leafs at home, but let’s stay real: the Habs have won four in a row … and are still tied for second-last in the conference, exactly three points away from last.
It’s basically impossible.
Full Breezer 4 Life
February 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Price is an ALL STAR, when the game is meaningless. Enjoy 11th place.
What ever you need to write to make yourself feel better, we got another example of tanking to win.
SO we now have the Blackhawks, Pens, and the Nordiques/Avs from 1996 PATHETIC
I’ll let you in on a little secret here. We Canadiens fans understand that it’s going to be one hell of ride to get into the playoffs. But WE CANADIENS FANS aren’t about to come to party to whine, bitch, and complain about the situation they’re in. We enjoy the games they win, and get upset over the games we they lose. Stop being the # 1 party poo poo, between you and the Tank Commanders it’s pretty depressing. We know they may not make the playoffs, and we also know that if they don’t (playoffs) they’ll get a good draft position (I’ll never boost about that). Stop being such a kick in the nuts, I’m pretty sure no one wants to listen to it.
It’s just a game Adam, and remember Carey Price didn’t ask to to be a Canadien. It’s not his fault they drafted him instead of a player 7 picks later. He didn’t ask to trade Huet and Halak. He doesn’t complain when he doesn’t play, and doesn’t have an agent who’s an ass. We’re sorry the Canadiens didn’t pick Brule or Pouliot instead of Price (EVERYONE WANTED EITHER OF THOSE TWO PLAYERS). Please Adam76, return to HIO, you make this place fun. Release the hounds Adam76, come to the Summit next year, and I’ll buy you a beer and introduce you to the greatest fans on the planet. You’ll never complain again, because you see and hear what WE fans are. THE BEST
I drink booze maybe twice a year (Summit, and one Christmas party), but last night I decided to hit some spiced rum, and :lol home made eggnog. I had no idea you could drink so much of that crap and not get a hangover.
They arrived when it was still 0-0. They were laughing and making fun of the Habs, and I took it all in. We watched the the game, they (the Laff fans) were in total denial and every goal I giggled and said “oh my, is that another goal”.
The game was so great, I made them watch it again. They left at 3am
OK what’s up for today? I spent the last four days watching double A hockey and at 1 today the our Brandon team is in the finals.
Peace yall, another GREAT win. One at a time, knock em down.
EDIT: Fan Post of the Night. From Chuck
Eller just made Phaneuf his bitch.
Eggnog Shane? Really?
The women you watched the game with, their husbands don’t object?
Women? They stay upstairs and watch reality TV. I married a non Habs fan (Jets). Sigh…..
Bill’s post might have been good had it not been wrong.
Habs finished night four points ahead of Carolina and ahead of three other teams tied for second to last.
The Habs should be looking at CHicago and NY Rangers to deal a defenceman (mostly Kaberle).
Chicago is in a freefall and need D help. They should be trading Gill for a prospect (Kyle Beach, high draft pick, potential, and tough to match Lucic, Kassian).
THey should be looking at NY to deal Kaberle. Their powerplay is brutal so trade Kaberle for a prospect that has potential. Opportunities out there is the Goal is doing his job.
Kaberle for Mcdonagh! ;o)
I like the idea of Kyle Beach. Kelowna boy, and Upper Deck sent me an autographed mini-stick bearing his name last year. I’d like to have a good reason to keep it. LOL
The only thing missing last night was a goal by Gomez. Price is at the top of his game, well positioned and calm. I’d like to see Kostitsyn play with Eller and Leblanc. Didn’t the 3 of them play great together against the Kings? Leblanc had his 1st point in the big league that night.
Here’s the video
Wilson suggested the Habs were trapping and TSN’s Seigel (Marino’s alter ego in Toronto) flat out called the Habs a trapping team. Do I not know what the trap is? Because I don’t see the Habs as a trapping team.
WHen the Leafs are doing it’s called a forecheck.. If it’s the Habs it’s the trap. The neutral zone was tight, we had most of the passing lanes covered all game. A very sound game. I actually found myself cheering the small plays in our own zone, barely any trouble getting out all night. The Leafs were a no show and the Habs stayed on a roll. Tough pill to swallow in T.O…. especially since they know there are 2 games left against us muhaha.
Every team uses some form of trap at some points during every game. It’s not even called “trap” any more, it’s just defense. There is passive trap (TB 1-3-1, the JM 0-3-2) or active trap like most teams play. Force the puckcarrier to a side he is not comfortable then pick off the pass.
Thanks guys. That is what I figured … just wondered if I was seeing it thru Habs coloured glasses. But no, sour Leaf grapes! Love it.
So TSN trade rumours say GM’s are asking NHL for one time amnesty in new cba to buy out one contract with no cap penalty.
I think the players might agree to this so that players like Redden and Souray are not stuck in the minors.
Bye Bye Gomez.
I know the Habs this season have been blowing 1-2 goal leads all over the place this season, but I have to say:
1) at least they’re getting leads – hey, it’s a start
2) they’re applying pressure when an opposing goaltender is clearly not at his best, and amassing goals and points – under JM, they would have sat back after 1-2 and probably lost those games as well
Of course, I’d like to see the Habs beat a team like Buffalo against whom they seem to struggle mightily, and I’m not sure how well they do when they’re behind a goal or two (seems like that’s when they get shutout pretty often).
There’s a very high likelihood that a trade will be made this week by someone. I wonder who and where.
Columbus, Edmonton, Anaheim, and Carolina are prime suspects for moving.
You know what all these teams have in common? Shitty defence. With Anaheim’s being the best of the bunch. The other three really stank.
Hint, hint, to building a winner.
We are gong in the right direction with Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Tinordi and Beaulieu.
Man if Markov were only playing.
Maybe after last night people might agree more with two things I’ve been saying lately:
1. ELLER might be that “big center” we’re looking for. He’s young – 22 – and if you watch his game you can see something special emerging. He does things no-one else on the team does (or things done very rarely) at an increasing rate.
2. CUNNEYWORTH may stay next year. If the Habs even get CLOSE to the playoffs – say in the upper 80’s, he’ll stay.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
I agree and have my fingers crossed re. Eller. At the beginning of the season I was hoping they’d wing him with Cole and Patches … I was having visions of a cycling game that would give any team fits. Obviously there is no compelling reason to break-up the Cole-DD-Patches line so now.
Once again Smartdog, on both points you are late to the party. Yet you still try to take ownership. Give the “agree with me” schtick a rest.
Look, I am honestly not trying to piss you off or get into a disagreement. I just think that this type of stuff is at the heart of things when the discussion goes sour here.
I’ll be honest. I get sucked into it myself sometimes as a response. (I’m doing it now in a reverse way) Especially when a point I made is labeled as delusional or less than credible.
Many posters here were saying great things about Eller last year. Sure now that he’s putting things together it’s more obvious, but he’s shown signs of being special right from the get go.
As for Cunneyworth, I think his demeanor has been consistently excellent since day one.
You’re ornery this morning!
I suppose I am.
I am trying not to be and trying to address this half-decently, at least. Guess I am not doing a good job.
Oh, I agreed with the post. But you’re usually the calm one…I am supposed to be the argumentative one.
Well, I guess we’re not one dimensional.
Speak for yourself! Although I’m sadly getting more and more three-dimensional. Stupid winter…either get cold enough that I can play shinny or get warm enough that I can get back to tennis/biking/soccer. This in between business stinks.
I hear you on that front too, a pseudo winter like this is just plain awful.
Last night’s game was fun. A beat-down, just as it should be.
Sundin is a hall of famer in my view. 560 goals, 1300 pts. Played with a weak supporting cast. There are players behind him with worse stats who are in the hall, I believe. He was a beaut.
The iceberg that is Carey Price could carry this team and us a long, long way. How can you not love this kid?
Screw tanking! Go Habs!
Here is a question Boone or any of the great investigative reporters at the Gazzette can ask CC. Was the clearly high stick allowed goal by the crooks in Toronto, uses as motovation by CC in last night game? I think it was, and I think the Habs gave pay back, for the crooks in Toronto trying to screw them that night. Now that is what I love to see in my team, and coach. Good jobs boys, its never enough to win, you want to destroyer those blood sucking bed bugs in Toronto.
I’m guessing Coach Cunneyworth.
Not Colin Campbell then.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Connie Chung or Calvin Coolidge… which?
@HabinBurlington Eller’s goal may look nicer in our eyes, but it came fourth in a 5-0 win.
Streit went through and around about 4 players (not just a pylon named Phaneuf), to score an overtime winner. No contest!
Good Point, yah, definitely wearing my CH coloured glasses this morning. It could have at least been a HON candidate though.
Did you guys notice the HNIC camera showed Bob Gainey watching the game last night form the ACC press box.
Why…? What for…?
— HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –
The man still in charge
Sure did….he looked ridiculous in that chapeau.
Wanted one last crack at signing Sundin
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Wow some funny posts today about Sundin and the HHOF. I for one think the HHOF is becoming very weak and just having so-so players into it. Sundin was a good player but not a HHOF player if he gets in just shows The baseballs hall of fame and footballs are the only true hall of fames and hockeys is becoming a country club.
Playing for TO gets you an extra tick next to your name on the HHOF ballot
One of the things I most love about hockey is its international scope. The Hockey Hall of Fame has begun to recognize this in recent years…it is trying to become a Hall of Fame for the sport of hockey, which means they are now considering more than just NHL success.
Cooperstown has been doing the same thing, looking back through the old Negro Leagues to honour the best players whose careers were largely overshadowed by discrimination.
In hockey, we’ve begun to recognize female hockey players (Angela James and Cammi Granata, both very deserving inductees in 2010), and I suspect that we will see 1 woman added to the Hall of Fame every 2-3 years for the next while to address the oversight in the past. France St. Louis, Jennifer Botterill, Cassie Campbell, Angela Ruggiero and Danielle Goyette should all get consideration for their excellent play. Karen Koch will be considered due to her status as a trailblazer, the first woman to play professionally.
International hockey players have also become more recognized. Vladislav Tretiak was a natural induction in 1989, a celebrity based on his 1972 Summit Series role and his exemplary international career. Valeri Kharlamov was added in 2005 despite never playing an NHL game. Viacheslav Fetisov (2001) and Igor Larionov (2008) earned inductions due to good NHL careers combined with stellar international credentials. In a fair world, Sergei Makarov should soon be offered induction, as should a host of other international stalwarts.
Mats Sundin’s NHL career was very good to great. But when you add on his international credentials, it would be absolutely stupid to not include him in the Hall of Fame.
I would much rather see them let in a perhaps marginal candidate than overlook a very deserving candidate while hiding behind silly exclusivity claims. I truly believe that Sundin is far from marginal.
I hope Cassie Campbell gets into the HHOF- because she will NEVER make the Broadcasters Hall of Fame
Based on what would you have Sundin in the HHOF? did he lead or win anything in the NHL? A great player would have won something and he never did so, it is absolutely stupid to keep having good players who were not top 5 when they played into the HHOF making the HHOF into the country club it has become in the past 10 years. Hall of fame should be the top and best players from the time that they played Sundin sorry to say was not.
Again, note that it is not the NHL Hall of Fame. It is the Hockey Hall of Fame.
You claim that the NHL Hall of Fame is a joke, that Sundin should never get inducted, but let’s look at the sport you claim we should emulate.
I will use the example of Jim Kelly, a star quarterback for the Buffalo Bills for years and a first-ballot Hall of Fame player for the NFL.
Was Kelly the best quarterback in the NFL? Hardly…most people would have contemporaries Joe Montana and Dan Marino ahead of him, and strong arguments could be made for John Elway and Steve Young. Even Warren Moon would be in the discussion, although I think Kelly’s team success probably gets him more credit. Later in his career, you can add Troy Aikman to the discussion.
But that’s just the quarterbacks. Where would you rank Kelly relative to contemporaries Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson, Anthony Munoz, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Mike Singletary, Darrell Green, Bruce Matthews, Marcus Allen and Michael Irvin?
I ask because that is the list of players that overlapped with Jim Kelly’s career who were all ranked in the top 100 players of all time by the NFL network last year by a panel of current and former coaches, players, team executives and journalists that cover football.
Your argument is that hockey’s Hall of Fame is a joke compared to that of football because a guy like Mats Sundin might even receive consideration, the justification being that he never won anything and was never a top-5 player.
Yet you’re okay with Jim Kelly, who never won a Super Bowl and was ranked behind 4 contemporary QUARTERBACKS, not to mention at least 16 other position players. There’s a strong argument that could be made that Jim Kelly was not even a top-20 NFL player during his career, yet that was still good enough to earn him a first-ballot entry into the Hall of Fame.
Now, you might make the argument that Sundin was not one of the top 20 NHL players during his NHL career. I would dispute that, but that is a different discussion and one where we clearly aren’t going to reach a consensus. But I don’t think the football Hall of Fame is as exclusive as you seem to think it is, so you may want to re-evaluate your selection criteria or requiring that non-winners be top-5 overall players.
Oh Chris you should re-evaluate taking me on when it comes to football buddy… So he are the facts of the matter on why Kelly as you have tryed to pick on made the hall of fame in football. Led the NFL in QB rating 1990, Only 3 other QB hit the 30,000 passing yard mark faster than he did. Is in the top 5 in QB rating all time. Is in the top 10 in most QB stats of all time. Only Tarkenton, Fouts, Unitas who are in the hall have passed for more yards than kelly did. I won’t even pull out the statistical records he holds and I have more than showed why he is in the hall of fame. Sundin is a good player but never can be ranked as a top 10 player when he played. Sorry Chris but facts are facts and when it comes to fooball I know my arguments. Sundin has good stats but not hall of fame stats.
I chose the football example BECAUSE I knew that you know football. But you didn’t answer the question. Was Jim Kelly one of the top 5 players in the NFL when he played?
I knew all of those statistics before you typed them out. I grew up watching the Bills (stupid Global always played their games, so I couldn’t get my Saints after our satellite dish went belly up). I read the same Wikipedia page that you pulled those stats from before I typed my message. I even happen to believe that Kelly should be in the Hall of Fame, as should Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed.
But let’s look at the other side. Looking at All-Pro selections:
Montana: 6x 1st team All-Pro
Marino: 3x 1st team, 5 x 2nd team
Young: 4 x 1st team, 2 x 2nd team
Moon: 3 x 1st team
Aikman: 3 x 1st team
Kelly: 1 x 1st team, 2 x 2nd team
Elway: 3 x 2nd team
Only three times in his career was Kelly selected by the professional football journalists as one of the 2 best quarterbacks (not NFL players, just quarterbacks) despite playing in a passer-friendly Buffalo Bills no-huddle offence.
I’m old enough to remember the discussion of that era. Kelly was distinctly viewed as a first tier NFL quarterback, with the elite tier being Joe Montana and Dan Marino early in his career and Troy Aikman, Steve Young and John Elway in the second half in his career. Kelly and Warren Moon were the two “big-number” quarterbacks, Kelly’s numbers being helped by running the K-Gun no-huddle offense while Moon’s numbers were helped by running the Run and Shoot offense in Houston.
For context, Jim Kelly and Warren Moon would be today’s Philip Rivers or Matthew Stafford. Great quarterbacks, to be sure, and perhaps on their way to Hall of Fame credentials. But perhaps a step down from the established elite pantheon of their era (I would argue Manning, Brady and Brees for the past 5 years).
When Kelly retired, his QB rating was top-5. Now, it is 28th. In terms of his contemporaries, his career QB rating ranked behind those of Rich Gannon, Dan Marino and Steve Young once all was said and done.
You note he is in the top 10 in most QB stats of all time. This was true when he retired. It is no longer true. For example, his 237 TD passes ranked him 8th when he retired in 1996. But since then, he has fallen to 20th as his contemporaries, most of whom retired in the 4 years after he did, passed him. He was passed by Marino, Elway, Moon, Vinny Testaverde, Dave Krieg and Boomer Esiason. He’s also falling down the ranks because of the passer-friendly rules the NFL has instituted in recent years, making a mockery of the record book.
His 35,467 career passing yards ranked him 5th all time in 1996 when he retired, but again he has fallen down the rankings, ending up in 18th place, just a smidge ahead of contemporary Jim Everett and behind Esiason, Krieg, Testaverde, Moon, Elway and Marino.
I’m not detracting from him, merely laying out the context. If a panel of football experts, people who have far more connection to the NFL than either you or I, pick 20 players ahead of Kelly, I’m going to take their word for it.
Kelly was absolutely a Hall of Famer. But your criteria of only considering the top-5 or even top-10 players of an era would have precluded him. That was the soul source of the discussion.
I respect that you don’t believe that Sundin is a Hall of Famer…you aren’t alone. Many people whose hockey opinions I respect a great deal share your opinion. For me, he is. I feel his international success and his ranking as the 25th highest scoring player in NHL history upon his retirement in 2009 (he has now slipped to 27th as Modano and Selanne have passed him, but he will be safe in that spot for a few years now, with Daniel Alfredsson the next player with a legitmate shot at over-taking him and he is about 300 points behind).
Chris… Kelly was in the top 5 QB’S that played in the 90’s his stats prove that fact. Sundin was not a top 5 forward or centre when he played and was he ever number 1 in anything?. That is my point and what I think it takes to be in a hall of fame. You have to be the best at your spot for one year or more and top 5 in the years that you played. Sundin was never that. Best player on his team sure. He should not be in the hockey hall of fame or the country club as I call it.
Down below, I posted the point totals for 9 years of NHL action that saw Mats Sundin as the 5th highest scoring player (not just centers) in the NHL. The years I chose were for a comparison to Forsberg and Lindros in their primes before injuries cut them down, but you can move Sundin’s numbers a couples years up or down and he still looks good. He was one of the top-10 producing forwards for over a decade, and he did it without the support of the elite talents that his peers had at their disposal.
When he did have a good team surrounding him, back during his tenure with the Nordiques, he and Joe Sakic basically put up equivalent numbers over three seasons.
Brendan Shanahan is now officially a joke.
You can read Brooks’ column, or see the play here at puckdaddy’s website:
Shanahan’s argument for not suspending Moore:
“One replay angle clearly shows his BACK making contact with RF’s STICK causing it to hit RF in the face. ”
Shanahan was officially a joke from about week 2 onwards. He’s as useless in that role as Campbell was.
But at least he makes snazzy videos!
Heh… Eller’s goal doesn’t even get a mention for highlight of the night on TSN.
Malkin is a beast. Wonder what the Pens would want for Crosby
Happy Sunday all.
They picked Streit’s goal for Highlight of the Night, and Eller’s I think was nicer.
Did you happen to see the Lowlight of the night? Thomas out of position trying to dive across crease and ran into his post. It was pretty funny, Thomas was laughing afterwards as well.
I saw that bit with Floppy, and forgot to post it! That was funny as hell. If he would have KO’d himself on the post it would have been perfect
Loved the goal but you’ve got to admit, if a Habs defenceman was beaten like Phaneuf was, a lot of posters would be running him out of town faster than you can say Aebischer.
Eller’s goal was like skating around a pylon in practice
Further to Sundin discussion below, You are in the playoffs, both Sundin and Forsberg are healthy, which player do you pick to have on your team?
I take Forsberg.
I dont dispute Sundin being a great player and a future HOF, but Forsberg had that big game intangible.
You just never know Burlington. Take a look at Iginla as an example.
I’d way rather have Iginla than Forsberg and Iginla has never won a Stanley Cup. And you can’t possibly say Iginla isn’t a big game player.
Sometimes great players get buried on crappy teams.
I am not talking about who won Cups, and I am not trying to slag Sundin, I just think Forsberg was a game changer in big games. He could play offense, defence, shutdown, physical, he could do everything in his prime.
Forsberg, during his prime, was absolutely amazing. As much as I disliked him, you could say the same about Eric Lindros. They just completely dominated.
Sundin never had quite that presence…but I don’t for a second doubt were the roles switched, he would be equally dominant. Having elite players along for the ride forces teams to be more careful in choosing their poison. For Sundin, teams could get away with focussing all their attention on him because his linemates weren’t going to generate much without him.
Tough comparison since forsberg played way more playoff game sthan the other 2 ( I didn’t research this, just my assumption) Iginla only played 1 decent playoff year. Did Sundin even get to the Conference Finals? Gotta take Forsberg because of Success in big games, multiple times
Sundin got to the conference finals in 1998-99, with a terrible team I would add.
It is always difficult to assess players in different environments. For example, what was the more impressive performance: Gretzky’s 52 goal, 215 points season in 1985-86 while surrounded by Mark Messier, Jari Kurri, Paul Coffey and Glen Anderson; or Lemieux’s 85 goal, 199 points season in 1988-89 while surrounded by Paul Coffey, Rob Brown, Dan Quinn and Zarley Zalapski?
I would take Lemieux’s as the best season in history because he did almost as much with far less. Similarly, I think Sundin performed admirably with a much weaker supporting cast, but you couldn’t really go wrong with either guy in their prime.
When Sundin had a good supporting cast, such as in international hockey at the Olympics and World Cups of Hockey, where he was called to play against the best of the best, he generally equalled or surpassed Forsberg’s performance.
Sundin scored 11 goals and 20 points in 16 career games at the Olympics. In his two World Cups of Hockey, Sundin had 5 goals and 13 points in 8 games. The pressure in those tournaments was as high as you will see anywhere. I don’t think he was a bad big-game performer by any stretch of the imagination.
Of course, I also use Koivu’s performance in international hockey and the playoffs to show that he was a big-game performer that could hold his head high while standing next to any of the greats in the NHL despite his lack of Stanley Cups.
I’ve always felt that people that rely on Stanley Cup victories as a measure of player success are either tunnel-visioned or, in most cases, just too thick to grasp that Stanley Cups are a team endeavour, not an individual accomplishment.
Mario > Grezky
Forsberg, No. 17 on THN’s 2010 list of top 20 Centres of all time. Mats, a honourable non-mention. (Dionne,16…Crosby,18…Joe Malone, with several 5 goal games as a Canadiens and 7 goals in one game as a member of the Quebec City Bulldogs, 19…Gilbert Perrault, 20)
Lost in all the Sundin chatter. He was drafted first over-all in the 1989 NHL Entry Draft by the Quebec Nordiques. On June 28, 1994 the Maple Leafs traded Wendel Clark, along with Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and a round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Jeff Kealty #22 overall) for Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and a round 1 pick in the 1994 draft (Nolan Baumgartner #10 overall). I think Toronto won that trade.
People rarely mention that Colorado was a championship team built with picking high at the entry draft as its foundation, otherwise affectionately known as Tanking™. Undeniably acquiring Patrick Roy was crucial for them to go all the way especially that they had to contend with Detroit, but that team was stacked because of high draft picks (and a good late one in Sakic).
Imagine Sundin on that Colorado squad.
That is true HH, I think a key for that Quebec team, was that they didn’t tank for years and years like other teams had or have. They took advantage of those picks immediately, didn’t hurt that when moved to Colorado, with fresh new ownership the chequebook was opened wide and there was no Cap to prevent them from loading for bear. Ray Bourque being an example to go along with Roy.
“I think a key for that Quebec team, was that they didn’t tank for years and years like other teams had or have.”
Maybe you forgot the NHL was a 21 team league, 16 made the playoffs and the Nor”dicks” (Irvin) were out five consecutive years!!!
1987–88 80 32 43 5 69 271 306 2042 fifth, Adams Did not qualify
1988–89 80 27 46 7 61 269 342 2004 fifth, Adams Did not qualify
1989–90 80 12 61 7 31 240 407 2104 fifth, Adams Did not qualify
1990–91 80 16 50 14 46 236 354 1741 fifth, Adams Did not qualify
1991–92 80 20 48 12 52 255 318 2044 fifth, Adams Did not qualify
I should have researched, I guess they did suck a long time. Sorry my mistake, I guess my memories were still vivid with those battles of Quebec and I forgot they were that bad that long.
But they did take advantage of that sucktitude, many other teams have a hard time getting a winning attitude after all those losing seasons.
So Question, if they don’t leave Quebec do they still turn it around? Or was the influx of money after the move to Colorado the key.
IMO the NORDIQUES/AVALANCHE become a powerhouse with the trading of ERIC LINDROS. One guy picked up:
Peter Forsberg, as well as Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals—Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994, and $15,000,000 cash.
REMEMBER of course that Thibault, Rucinsky and Kovalenko for Roy and Mike Kean (think of the defensive skills and attitude gained here).
BKAK72 nailed it.
Quebec/Colorado became the powerhouse they did ONLY because of the Lindros trade.
They got Lindros be cause they finished so dismally
I used to advocate the tank for years strategy as it has served Chicago, Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent Washington well. I tend to hover towards the it’s acceptable once every 10 years mode. Don’t forget, that to me tanking isn’t throwing games, it’s just a way to describe doing poorly. Tanks make better avatars than abstract concepts such as rebuilds or astute player development. I don’t even think there can be an avatar for a rebuild or an astute player development. Tanks make for easy images to recognize and my use of the imagery was always to invoke critical thinking as well as provoke it.
All one need do is look to Gorges and Pacioretty and their value to the Habs. The only price to pay to acquire those players was trading Rivet. Contrast that to a 1st and a 2nd for Tanguay, a 2nd for Schneider, a 2nd for Wisniewski.
I would hope the Habs do not become buyers this trade dead-line at any cost, because that usually means giving up long term assets for short term gains. I’d rather they stand pat if anything if they look to be 4-5 game above .500 by the time the trade deadline comes around. I still think long term a sell off and high pick is more valuable than a play-off attempt that falls short. However I empathize with those that see the psychological advantage of the latter and tend to agree, as long as it truly represents the foundation of that winning mentality continuing on into the next regular season.
I think all options have to be kept open and the short and long term benefits and pitfalls weighed in advance. At least it has gotten interesting. Still much gut wrenching drama for a while yet. Writhe Together!
The main reason why Sundin was traded was Sundin’s contract was up for renewal & asking for too much money just like when The Leafs got Gilmour & company – Calgary did not want to pay up for new contracts Gilmour/Maccowan etc were asking and was a reason why Fletcher left Calgary (no money for big contracts)…..
I hear PG is at MSG today, Don’t do anything stupid PG. WE don’t need Wade Redden or any other useless Ranger. However, if you could unload Kaberle , Campoli or Webber, Id be happy
“It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”
PG is a vegetarian.
I thought he would avoid MSG
I will always love you whitney you were my favorite singer and always will be
Odds are the Canadiens are going to run out of racetrack but they’re not completely dead yet. I thought the only chance they’d have to make a push for the playoffs would be to exit the All-Star break with the kind of run they’re on now.
They’re a better team than Toronto, Ottawa and Winnipeg and on par with or better than Washington, Florida and New Jersey.
I personally hope they hang onto Kostitsyn and Moen at the deadline. Because I think with a couple adjustments before next season that we’ve got a good team here. Add Gionta and Markov to this lineup and we’re a good team.
We’re all clamoring for another talented center but I don’t think that it is out of the realm of possibility that Eller pots 20-something goals next season and could hit the 60-point-plateau. Put Plekanec ahead of him and Desharnais behind and that is a pretty good group centermen.
None of our centers are huge, Eller ain’t bad, but we have four legitimate power forwards in Kostitsyn, Bourque, Cole and Pacioretty to flank them. None of them are big fighters but they all hit and/or create space and can forecheck and cause turnovers. They can drive to the net and park themselves there as well. We haven’t seen that in Montreal for years!
All that has to be done is to shore up the bottom two lines with a couple more rugged and reliable players and add one more tough stay-at-home defenseman.
With those adjustments and a healthy team I’d feel pretty comfortable with an 82-game-schedule in front of us next year.
Not sure if you guys have discussed this but Komisarek has become the whipping boy in Toronto.,
he has been a healthy scratch for 6 or 7 straight games, and
is being booed every time he touches the puck on home ice.
That is ugly!!
He looked like a great prospect at one point. He was one of my favorite young players.
But his skills have leveled off – he can not escape a forecheck, he can not stickhandle – he can not make a decent first pass – and he is absolutely one of the least offensive minded d-men in the game, with almost Zero offensive instincts.
this same guy was allowed to stand behind our bench when he was recovering from an injury- something that I had only seen Denis Savard do previously
And Gainey went after this guy hard – lost out by 500,000 per season, and because Komi wanted to play for the U.S Olympic team in Vancouver.
Komisarek should’ve never left Montreal for more money. Andrei Markov made him look good. He has struggled ever since & will never be the same.
The difficulty gets worse for Toronto with Komo, as he has a NTC and a no movement clause. Toronto would have had this guy playing for the Marlies already but can’t. They played him earlier more with hopes someone would ask for him, but that has not occurred.
Worse yet for Toronto, Schenn, the young dman was supposed to become the shut down dman on that squad, He too is struggling. While Toronto has no Gomez contract on their books, they have Komo, Conolly (bloom is off that rose as well) and a struggling recently signed Schenn on the books.
Toronto still has lots of other good young Dmen, but they are having to keep playing Schenn or Komo until they can move one or both of them.
schenn struggling, he’s a friggin give away machine !!!!!
Had not understood his name surfacing in trade rumour talk until I attended last night’s game. He has a bad case of the jitters.
But you really notice that Phaneuf is over-rated. : )
Burke would never send him to the minors even if he could.
He was a marquee signing for him and it would be embarassing.
Ever since Toronto picked up Dion neuf Komi has become totaly redundant. They can only have one lously defensive d man out there per game. Both with big buck contracts. Toronto will be looking for fishes in the offseason.
“Merci beaucoup.” Randy Cunnyworth
Actually Phaneuf was 6th in Defenseman scoring race prior to last night and plays 25 minutes a night so in fairness to him – he;’s no Komisarek.
This is true. KOMISAREK is routinely ripped apart by the sports media in Toronto for his skill and expensive contract.
As an aside I still take great comfort giving KOMISAREK a piece of my mind for walking away from the CANADIENS when he happened to be in front of the ACC on Bay St. during noon hour.
I only wish he took a shot at me…
Let’s be thankful he walked.
Gainey offered him a sh!tload of money to stay.
I was thinking that if Burke used the Olympic team, as a chip in talks with Komo, it should be against the rules. The other day you mentioned a prospect called Bissonnette, I am going to be mad if the Habs dont sign him, that kid has some talent. I wonder again about our scouts and why the Habs did not take a flyer on him in the late rounds last year.
Two thing about last night ,the lower section behind both bench where half empty and every time they shown pics of a young Sundin it look like a young Eller and is goal last night like a young Sundin
Yeah I was thinking the same Eller=Sundin.
Remember as well that when SUNDIN first played in the NHL he was behind starts like SAKIC and GILMOUR. ELLER is producing nicely on a third line in MTL … it would be nice to see him centre MAXPAC an COLE…no offense to DD.
Looking forward to going into work tomorrow morning & giving all my Laffs co-workers the one finger salute.
How about a five finger salute.
One finger, 5 times.
Wow!….Five Habs fans at that one Windsor workplace!
The Habs are finally starting to look like the team we thought we had at the beginning of the season. Price is playing his best hockey since last season, with flawless positioning, easy, fluid movement, and big saves at clutch moments; the endless Price-Halak debate can go underground for now (although it’ll no doubt resurface the next time Price struggles). All our lines are clicking well, and the Plekanec line is emerging as a dominant checking line while creating some amazing chances, especially short-handed.
I’m beginning to change my mind about Cunneyworth. I thought until recently that he just wasn’t ready to be a head coach, especially in a market like Montreal, but he’s proving me wrong. He seems calm and in control no matter what happens, he’s an excellent communicator, he’s put together some very effective lines, and his in-game adjustments are working well. He’s heading for .500 and will soon surpass it. I’m beginning to hope the Habs can find a way to keep him around next year, although if he remains head coach, he might need a special assistant for the powerplay.
So what should the Habs do leading up to 27 February? Absolutely nothing – except, of course, keep on winning games. If we haven’t lost ground by the deadline or have even gained a bit, we should probably stand more or less pat, except for dealing some clearly extra pieces like Campoli and Nokelainen. Under no circumstances should we be buyers; this is still the team that blew something like 20 leads this season. If the team makes the playoffs, so be it, and we can all enjoy the ride. But if we slip back to being 10 or 11 points out, we should sell. Get what we can for Gill, Campoli, Darche (who has been playing his best hockey on the Plekanec line), Nokelainen. Try to trade Kaberle and Weber; make a decision about Moen and Kostitsyn, and either re-sign them or trade them (I would certainly re-sign Kostitsyn; Moen would depend on what we were offered in return).
Meanwhile, play the hell out of the kids. Keep Leblanc and Palushaj up and give them lots of ice-time. Let the rest of the season, if it doesn’t end up amounting to a playoff run, at least be a kind of pre-training camp for our young players. Whatever happens, it looks like being a lot more fun to watch than the first part of the season was.
Keep sparkplug Darche and dump ECHL calibre Palushaj.
I think we should trade Gill no matter what. There is apparently a lot of interest in him, and the fact is that he is really only good on the PK.
At 5 on 5 he is pretty bad. We can never seem to get the puck out of our hand when he is on. He remains almost incapable of making a pass (although he did hit Darche for that breakaway last night).
Could we sucker someone into giving up a first round pick – say our 2nd rounder plus Gill for a first?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
It was Plekanec that made the pass to Darche…Price had the other assist. So your point is strengthened.
If Subban is going to try to slew foot and bear hug a guy like Kessel, he better be ready to back it up against meatheads like Brown. I’m starting to be embarrassed by Subban’s falling down before hits and dirty little jabs. If you want to play that type of game, drop the gloves once in a while and gain some credibility back.
“Is the little dog going to yap, or is he going to bite?”
Fight Kessel all for it. Fight Brown in the last five minutes (suspension ensues) is just insanity.
the score was 5 zip good guys, with a minute to go, the goon was put on the ice for one thing and you want our best player to fight him??????…..That would have been the dumbest thing of the night !!!
and BTW I to am disgusted by the slew footing by PK, BUT he did drop the gloves last game !!
i think alot of us are getting a little tired of subbans slew footing and something has to be done about it before he gets really hurt over it or hurts someone really bad by doing it.so i think the coach has to say something to him and i agree he should have fought kessel when he wanted to go but don,t blame him for not fighting brown because he would have gotten real messed up..can,t take away the fact that he is a real talent and once he learns to play the game mentally as well as physical we have a star player….always a hab fan good times and bad
Subban is not here to be the Ted Harris of 2012. Why would he fight an ECHL player like Brown lol get over it. If your masculinity is that fragile you fight him.
A punk is a punk, Tony. He will get it eventually. He pulled this crap in the O too.
No diffferent than Grabs on Plecks but yeah PK seems to be doing it almost every night and someone will take him to the woodshed for it, unless your a Bruin as everything is okay then.
Bite or Yap. Good one.
No Guts No Glory
I’m not sure what you hope to get out of such a post but maybe you are not a Habs fan and your blog user name tells it all.
Hope your not refering to me.
Haha, no its ment for Dulljerk.
Good thing Robinson isn’t coaching this team, Subban would be in the press box. Oh, quite the handle “Ron”, must have taken you hours to come up with that, and “ment” should be ” meant”.
I think Subban has been great & handled himself pretty good last night especially with that tool Brown.
Yeah all 22 year old Young Star up and comers should fight Senior League nobodies in the last minute of a 5-0 laugher.
Then don’t try to slew foot. I’m not saying Subban can fight. I saw him for years in Belleville. He was gutless then. Stop with the lowlife crap and Brown won’t be looking to take his head off. What part of this don’t you understand? If not Brown, someone else will get him. Guaranteed.
Fought Blake Wheeler and Brad Marchand this year. Looked bad in both.
Which is why he shouldn’t be playing like a punk. He keeps this up and he will be the Sean Avery of defence. Oh wait, even Avery had the nads to fight.
No slewfoot both players were off balance that Leaf player who kicked Pleks in the back of his foot & appeared to injure him for a bit was more of an attempt at a slewfoot but neither plays were called for a pentalty……
I’m still torn between winning and tanking. I would love to see us continue to win and make a push for the playoffs, but the franchise would strongly benefit from a top-10 pick in the draft. It would really suck if we finish between 9th and 11th.
People there is no way we can tank unless you go to my sacarstic post a on Friday night regarding the PP and PK where no one seemed to have a sense of humour. If we trade the RFA’a and UFA at the dead line we get picks and prospects. THe RFA’s we have left are playing hard to increase their value. The young guns playing for a job next year as well as any prospects who are currently in the NHL. You can’t tank a team for 26 games. Also all the “Tankers” would be the ones howling the most on this site.
I can’t believe any professional athlete would consider playing under his ability to some how eventually give his team a possibility of drafting a player that won’t be around until he himself is probably out of the organization. Makes no sense. As a fan I want to see my team preform at their best . If the Habs don’t make the playoffs I hope to see them be the best spoilers ever.
These guys are playing for future contracts,not being moved and pride. Tanking makes no sense to them. If we lose we lose. They could be playing for someone else in the future.
The Devils went on a lengthy winning streak late last season. Why not us?
Regarding Mats Sundin:
Last night before the game, there was a brief description of where Mats Sundin fits in the pantheon of players, with a lot of comparisons to his Swedish peer, Peter Forsberg.
I took a look at the period from 1994-95 (Forsberg’s first season) to 2002-03 (Forsberg’s last “healthy season”) and looked at the point totals of some notable players from that era. I’m sure I’m forgetting somebody big, but you’ll get the gist of it anyways…
Scoring Leaders (1994-95 – 2002-03, a run of nine seasons)
Jaromir Jagr————639 GP, 381 G, 916 PTS
Joe Sakic—————-613 GP, 294 G, 751 PTS
Teemu Selanne——–666 GP, 335 G, 733 PTS
Ron Francis————-687 GP, 198 G, 679 PTS
Mats Sundin————681 GP, 299 G, 676 PTS
Paul Kariya————-606 GP, 300 G, 669 PTS
Mike Modano———–632 GP, 271 G, 660 PTS
Peter Forsberg———541 GP, 198 G, 656 PTS
Adam Oates————649 GP, 140 G, 633 PTS
Theoren Fleury———643 GP, 252 G, 626 PTS
Brett Hull—————643 GP, 303 G, 622 PTS
Keith Tkachuk———-597 GP, 326 G, 621 PTS
Brendan Shanahan—-673 GP, 308 G, 619 PTS
Mark Recchi————676 GP, 223 G, 617 PTS
Eric Lindros————513 GP, 261 G, 613 PTS
Pierre Turgeon———596 GP, 224 G, 598 PTS
John Leclair————583 GP, 311 G, 593 PTS
Sergei Fedorov———596 GP, 247 G, 582 PTS
Alexander Mogilny—–582 GP, 261 G, 580 PTS
Peter Bondra———–630GP, 350 G, 578 PTS
Jeremy Roenick——–637 GP, 231 G, 578 PTS
Alexei Yashin———–662 GP, 246 G, 552 PTS
Steve Yzerman——–563 GP, 191 G, 548 PTS
Pavel Bure————-478 GP, 283 G, 502 PTS
Looking through that list, Sundin performed extremely well for a guy who simply didn’t have the supporting cast of the other guys on the list.
The Penguins were an offensive powerhouse in the mid-late 1990’s, featuring Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Nedved, Kovalev, Straka and Lang.
In Colorado, Forsberg and Sakic had each other, but they also had a bevy of offensive talents supporting them: Milan Hejduk, Rob Blake/Ray Bourque, Alex Tanguay, Chris Drury and Rob Blake all put in some years as a supporting cast that would have made Sundin jealous.
Detroit had the same embarassment of riches, featuring Brendan Shanahan, Sergei Fedorov, Steve Yzerman, Nicklas Lidstrom, Igor Larionov, Slava Kozlov, Larry Murphy/Paul Coffey, and a revolving door of good veteran players nearing the end of their careers who wanted a shot at a Stanley Cup (Brett Hull, Dino Ciccarelli, Luc Robitaille).
Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya racked up points playing together, while Pavel Bure and Alexander Mogilny were able to form a partnership in Vancouver.
In Philadelphia, Eric Lindros and John Leclair formed a core that would be supplemented by Mark Recchi and Eric Desjardins.
I would say the players that were perhaps the most isolated were Mike Modano, Mats Sundin and perhaps Keith Tkachuk.
Sundin’s timing was terrible. He started his Leafs run with Gilmour and Andreychuk heading out the door. He then spent 3 seasons or so with Steve Thomas, Igor Korolev and Sergei Berezin as his main supporting cast before getting Gary Roberts and Alexander Mogilny in the twilight of their careers.
The great failing of that franchise, much like Montreal with Saku Koivu, was to not find an star player in the same stage of their careers as Sundin to partner him.
As an aside, I was really surprised at how well Peter Bondra performed over that time period. Given how little attention Bondra gets, especially now that he’s retired, I was absolutely shocked to see what a pure goal scorer he was. His best two seasons in the mid 1990’s saw him score an absolutely amazing 86 goals in just 114 games. Only Jagr and Bure, two of the purest goal scorers in NHL history, scored at a higher rate than Bondra over that time period. Wow. Bondra does not get anything close to the respect he deserves, although his somewhat weaker playoff performances undboutedly explains much of that.
For me, given his supporting cast, Sundin is a Hall of Fame player. The Toronto market is a tough one, not too far off the boiling pot that is Montreal, and Sundin never got as much slack as some of his predecessors despite being a much better player.
Give Sundin the supporting cast enjoyed by Jagr, Forsberg, Lindros or Francis and we’re not even having this discussion. It would be a slam dunk.
Like Ray Bourque, Sundin’s greatness should not be defined by his lack of playoff success. Stanley Cup victories are a team endeavour, and Sundin never had a team to be a legitimate contender. That is not his fault.
Sundin was durable and productive and was a good leader. His international success and status as the highest scoring Swedish player in history (without the benefit of the craziness of the stat-distorting 1980’s) should guarantee him entry into the Hall of Fame, first ballot.
Different gestalt in T.O. Less likely to riot, and definitely not hooked on the phonics of its head coach.
1054 games 421 goals 398 assists 819 points 614 PIM
Two Stanley Cups
“Perspective is everything.”
Sundin never won shite.
Neither did Marcel Dionne and others.
1348 games 731 goals 1040 assists 1771 points 600 PIM
You’re burying your man Sundin LOL.
1000 games 240 goals 284 assists 524 points 753 PIM
Four Stanley Cups
“Pespective is everything.”
Howie Morenz only won three Stanley Cups.
Bobby Hull only won one Stanley Cup.
By TonyLogic, Tomas Holmstrom is clearly a better hockey player.
The turning point of our season is the decision to go with a 5 man
“shut down” unit led by Tomas Plekanec at center.
Who among us would have lined up Plekanec with Darche and Moen (last night Bourque), and formed a shut down line with
Subban and Gorges on the back end??
The hundreds and hundreds of posters and pundits on this site,
there was NOT ONE clamoring for Darche to get an increase in his
ice time or responsibilities.
Now, the Habs are shutting down the best the other teams have to offer.
The top scorers in the league are barely getting shots on goal on us.
It takes balls to give Darche 20 minutes a night!!
But he is a perfect compliment to Plekanec in this role.
That is coaching!
Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.
Great post. Completely agree about both the coaching and the line. Darche has looked like a different player since being put on that line; if the Habs don’t want to keep him, he should certainly be of interest to other teams. And anyone who thinks we would get anything close to Plekanec’s value if we traded him is out to lunch.
Winnipeg, Long Island and Toronto are “the league’s best?”
That line went up against Malkin-Kunitz-Neal, the Tavares line (the top scoring line in January, I think) and Kessel-Lupul. I’d say those lines qualify as some of the NHL’s best.
Suter should be our top free agent target. He is a stud that would solidify our D for the next 5-6 years. In doing so, our offence would be suppoted more from the back end and have the confidence to attack more often. Sending Gomez to the minors would instantly free-up the necessary cash to make this happen. Molson has deep enough pockets and should realize this has to happen if the habs are to be cup contenders next season. Campoli and Kaberle’s salaries would also free-up necessary pay-role
Trades, Draftees, and why I love Red Fisher:
Four first overall junior draftees have donned the colours of Les Glorieux. Le Demon Blonde, the tragic Doug Wickenheiser (deceased at age 34), and Bobby Smith, and Pierre Turgeon.
To get Smith (1st overall, 1978), the Canadiens gave up Mark Napier, Keith Acton, and a draft pick. To get Turgeon(1st overall,1987), we gave up Kirk Muller and Matthieu Schneider. Side note: Kirk Muller was 2nd overall in 1984 behind what’s-his-name?….Claude?….no, Mario Lemieux. We obtained Captain Kirk along with Roland Melanson for Stephane Richer and Tom Chorske.
If a first overall pick was of highest priority we could easily get it by trading Carey (insanity!). Tanking would only guarantee a draft position in the top 5 to top 8.
63 – Garry Monahan
68 – Michel Plasse
69 – Rejean Houle
76 – Rick Green
79 – Rob Ramage
92 – Roman Hamrlik
Thanx. Shouldn’t have overlooked Roman, and Rick Green was a stalwart.
Not particularly fair to include the pre-1969 guys, though, as most of the best players were already signed to development contracts and therefore not available to be drafted.
Absolutely best part of last night was listening to the HNIC homers making excuses for the pilons on the LAFFS blueline especially after Healey stated that the LAFF speed was really worrying the Canadiens!
The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:
“Le problem est Markov n’ya pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
“Louis Leblanc est un kid local”
The first period Healey reference to the Habs being “terrified” of the Leaf’s speed was the best early example of HilariousHomerism (TM) on the HNIC telecast.
To be fair to Healey, he was referring to the the Leafs first line. The leafs are certainly faster than they have been in recent years, but still the notion of the Habs quaking in their boots at the awesome speed of the Mighty Leafs (imagine JAck Black reading that last line) is hilarious.
“Et le but!”
That was when I switched to RDS.
Healey promptly disappeared under the same rock he crawled out from under to start the game.
Healey belongs with Stock on the all IQ team of HNIC.
Then Galley chirping about what a great team player Brown was for attempting to get Subban into a fight with less than a minute left in a 5-0 butt-kicking only to be sent to the box for his efforts.
Ah HNIC! It will be poetic justice when the entire LAFF loving tribe is kicked to the curb( and Maclean to figure skating) in 2013 after CBC looses their contract!
In Websters dictionary the defination of slow has a picture of Phanuf besides it.
Wern’t there posters who actually wanted him? Gill is a jackrabbit compared to Phanuf.
FrankenChara can easily be beaten to the outside too, it’s like watching a giraffe try to turn and burn. The only thing he’s got going for him when confronted by speed is his ten foot stick and reach.
Sorry Matts but then you had your chance. Although I could never picture that big grin over the CH. On the other hand I could never imagine Tomas Kaberle in a Habs jersey and still find it surreal.
At what point did you all feel comfortable that the win was in the bag? For me it wasn’t until that nifty Eller goal late in the second.
ColeTrain cinched it with his 20th. 1-0 was all they needed.
SportClubStats hasn’t yet officially updated but everything that could have gone right yesterday for the Habs pretty much did.
Habs won, Sens lost (in OT mind you), Jets lost, and the Florida & Islanders wins carry little weight. The odds should jump up by nearly 5% over night.
We’ll be rooting for the Rangers and the Panthers today. Since the Cats are the division leader if they expand the gap over the Caps and the Caps lose, that helps us.
There’s still a flicker of hope!
I have been waiting since essentially the beginning of the season for Price to take control of the situation.
He was so outstanding last year – under immense pressure.
Now these past 4 games, he has made every big, clutch save, when the team absolutely needed it.
This is the Carey Price that can win in the playoffs.
This is the Carey Price that can one day win a Cup.
And one more thing.
The next time someone comes on HIO to ridicule RC, he should think long and hard what this man has accomplished.
This is a legitimate NHL coach – who pushes his players – ALL OF HIS PLAYERS – to work their butts off.
Unlike Martin, who thought it was OK for veterans to fouri le chien,
RC holds everyone accountable.
I hope the Habs find a place for this man in the organisation.
I think everyone associated with our organisation can learn a lesson in work ethic from RC.
Go Habs Go!!!!!
Ed, I think Carey is helped tremendously by seeing a more confident team in front of him. When the team was at its lowest point, I have to believe he felt like he could not allow a single goal in order to help his team win.
While we still need him to steal some games, he cannot win the games alone, and now he appears to be playing with more calmness and just trusting his abilities instead of trying to do too much.
He is such a good goalie, but even better when his teammates provide some help. Sure makes the team much funner to watch.
Good post, agree with you on RC.
In French “fourrer le chien”. In English, the saying is “screwing the dog”. It works in both official languages
thanks for that, Doc!
And Burlington, I agree that it goes 2 ways, and Price feeds off the confidence of the players in front of him – very important point
The Habs have had the benefit of weak goals by the oppositions goalie the last 4 games.I think we can see when that happens and if your goalie comes up big, the whole team gets a boost of confidence. We will have bad games in the future, probably lose some parts in trades at the deadline, but the nucleus is there. Coaching will play a huge part in the future. I hope we pick wisely.
In Manitoba it’s F#%king the dog. Works in both languages.
+ 1000 good post.
Early yet, teach him to French this summer. Who knows?
Gomez, Diaz (or Weber) and a second rounder for Ryan Suter. Sign him for 5 years at 5.5-6m.
Then move Kaberle for a second rounder.
Batta boom batta bing… money to sign AK, Subban, Price, Eller, Emelin, Palushaj, White, Moen, and Blunden.
Nashville essentially gets 2.3 million break(difference between Gomez’s cap hit and salary) in their annual cap floor dance and a cheap, though legitimate, NHL player to put on their blue line. Then they can concentrate on getting Weber under contract.
It’s not as whacked as it seems, really. Still pretty whacked though.
If life were like that, you wouldn’t need a VISA card.
No, No… you’d still have the Visa, you just wouldn’t get any statements.
Has anyone commented on that cheap shot by Grabovski on Plekanec? is that not worth at least a fine?
While it was a cheap shot, PK did similar to Kessel. Of course HNIC was kind enough to highlight PK’s play they didn’t seem to find the time to do more than a brief replay of Grabo’s play with zero admonishment.
The Grabs on Pleks was worse than PK on Kessel. It was a drive by cheap shot away from the play.
PK extended the leg in the course of pinning Kessel to the boards in a puck battle. I would actually be willing to extend the benefit of the doubt as the sort of thing that can incidentally happen, except that PK has done the same thing intentionally 4 or 5 times in the last 6 weeks or so.
The Grabs thing was just cheap. Should have been called. Obviously hurt Pleks. They actually showed him limping to the bench and then about 15 seconds later cut back for a shot of him grimacing while sitting on the bench.
How you react – or how broadcasters react- to such situations is a pretty good indication of where your biases lie. I don’t think they actually ignore stuff because they hate the Habs, I just think they favour the Leafs so deeply and unconsciously that it does not occur to them.
So was last nights score board shellacking a result of the bad karma? Saluting a good player who never won squat while a team who only salutes the cream of the crop, and who has a nearly unblemished history was in town seems like asking for trouble from the hockey gods. Saluting Sundin when the Coyotes or Panthers were in town would have been more appropriate.
Dear Mtl Canadiens,
Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
For the life of me I can NOT understand why the people at MLSE fail miserably with these special induction ceremonies. The use of the U2 song I could not understand, then playing it on a violin made even less sense to me. The presentation of Mats walking onto the ice without any past greats or even Mgmt there to present him with something seemed wrong as well.
While we may not have a player to honour for a few years, you can count on Montreal doing it right when the situation presents itself.
It’s seemed empty…..like no emotion to me…
Plus on CBC they had a bigger ceremony for Don Cherry arriving by limo in P.E.I. Kinda took the air out of Mats’ night…
“it was clear where most of the blame lied.”
Ahh, Mop and Pail, you’re a credit to newspapers.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Asleep on the copy desk.
Hockey Inside/Out blogger
Gazette City columnist
Mr. Boone what about a new Avatar with you wearing the Toque?
Another G&M copy desk boo boo:
“Lars Eller beat Reimer in the second, when his shot beat Reimer through the legs. ”
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Blair who wrote the article is from Winnipeg and is a Hab fan.
I don’t say that to excuse the quality grammar.
So on a quiet Sunday morning, the HIO server still likes to send out its token Forbidden message. May be time to pass around the cap and find some money for a new server. Mr. Boone, I have many good Servers available for cheap if the Gazette is interested.
Hey Boone thank you for that Whitney video Man! You could hear a pin drop as everyone just sat still with awe.. you knew they were all waiting for the last great note … to beathe. Breathtaking performance! WOW!
Exuse me all you Toronto media, let me correct you. It was the Habs that played well that defeated your Leafs and your bragging about the playoff has doomed them. Wilson and Burke, think you were a little hasty in worring about next year classic and the cameras of 24/7. What I see is both of you will be looking for other work, not that I give a rat ass what you big mouths do. The dope is wearing of the Leafs and they are becoming the last place team anyone who knows hockey knew they were.
At least Ron Wilson doesn’t have to lament about his contract for next year. Nice signing there by Burke, granted we are still paying like 3 or 4 coaches so perhaps I should shut up.
Wilson’s one year extension was basically severence for when Burke fires him when the season is over.
Leafs coach: Boo wha wah!
Wow, the Habs PP scored on the Leafs after they went “17 games and 28 penalties without allowing a power-play goal”.
So not only are the Habs getting PP goals these days, but against hot PK teams to boot.
I think the links for Francois’ article is wrong.
I think you meant this one.
didn’t check the others
I think Mike Boone is just complementing Whitney Houston right now b/c she died yesterday. Good song to pick for this blogpost to “inspire” the fans.
To bad about Whitney. Nice voice good career till BB came into the picture and destroyed her.
I’d imagine it would be mighty strange if Wilson had been impressed by the Leafs goaltenders last night.
He seemed to be mummed up last nigh during the game.
People actually think that Reimer is a better goalie than Price. I cannot help but giggle at that notion.
Don’t let the wultures getcha.
No one thinks that, except Leaf fans.
But they are EVERYBODY (that matters) right?
Actually all my Leaf buddies would rather have Price. They are/were hopeful Reimer will be the real deal, but none of my sane Leaf fan friends actually believe he is better than Price.
I mean only Leafs fans think that, not all Leafs fans.
There’s a select few on HIO that thinks it too.
I’m sure if you polled some of the more notorious Halakites they’d find ways to contort things to support that notion. They are cut from the same mold as those who would have been mad the Habs traded away Hayward.
There’s mould in your attic. LOL
SV PCT leaders
Who are these people? Not Ron Wilson.
Gary Suter was no goon. He was tough but not a goon.
He was a skilled d-man who put up 845 points in 1145 NHL games. He also scored over 200 goals,
and was instrumental in helping the Calgary Flames win their only Stanley Cup.
Suter was without question one of the players I liked the least in his whole career. The check on Gretzky was unbelievably dirty (and in a non-NHL event to boot…you think the NHL has that one as Exhibit A for why they have very little interest in the Olympics?).
The retaliation baseball swing slash to the face of Andrei Lomakin in the 1987 Canada Cup was pretty awful too, even if take into account the high-stick he got from Lomakin immediately before that.
Jeff Blair is a (grumpy old) baseball writer.
Loved Eller’s celebration after he scored. Priceless.
Spezza on Souray reprise?
Gary Suter was one of the worst stick men of his era. His disgusting and gutless cross check to Gretzky’s head diminished the Great One and robbed us of many more Great Gretzky moments. And what he did to Kariya was worse than Bertuzzi or McSorley’s fouls.
Had to stop. He was looking for his jock strap.
At least Souray was trying to throw a body check.
Yea, and throw in Pacioretty for good measure.
Yeah, totally mixed feelings. We need to lose a couple more and then get back to winning so we can make the trades we need to make.
We need to beat the Leafs in the next 2 meetings and lose the rest of the games- obviously!
No mixed feelings here. We need to find our way down to 25th-30th position. The dead zone is 17th-24th, which is where we’re heading right now.
Trade Moen, Campoli, Gill, Darche, Weber, and Kostitsyn now!
+1 – Agree with you all, we need to be hopeful about the potential, the upside of this team but also temper this temporal enthusiasm we feel re the current situation the team finds itself in ( 4 game win streak).
That said, and you’ve heard it said over and over… but it is great to win 5- zip in their barn, on their celebratory night, on coast to coast HNIC, on Saturday night, on Hockey Canada night (or whatever it’s called).
Bottom line… (cautiously) optimistic re the future
Yep, It’s all about the big picture. It will take some time but we have a good young core here and guys like Cole to show them the way. Build around Price, Subban, Emelin, Patch, Leblanc and Eller. We need to get value for any vets that are tradeable. But keep Cole. I can see the Habs being a contender in a couple of years if things are dealt with properly this deadline.
For some reason your 2012 team looks weak on paper.
Unless Price carries the team like he did last year, I think your team would be dead last.
Thats how we get McKinnon
EDIT- I just saw that was your point :lol:(last for first overall pick). Your plan will succeed. But I’m pretty sure ownership isn’t in game to not make the playoffs.
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