Will they be missed?

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Eyes on the Prize looks at young Canadiens’ prospects who are no longer with the club.

And it might be worthwhile revisiting a link HIO posted yesterday.

In assessing the depth of talent in development systems around the NHL, Hockey Prospectus ranks the Canadiens 24th:

The Habs had one of the worst systems in hockey a few months ago, but getting Alexei Emelin to become an NHL commit from Russia and drafting Nathan Beaulieu has helped bring Montreal out of the tail-end of these rankings. Danny Kristo and especially 2010 first round pick Jarred Tinordi did not look good at all this year, while Aaron Palushaj showed solid progression and could possibly score at the next level.

Pretty grim, eh?

In his look at the team’s Top 10 prospects, topped by Beaulieu, Corey Pronman writes:

Over the past decade, the Habs used to have a secure spot amongst the elite systems in hockey, but the consistent dealing of draft picks coupled with underwhelming projections for some of their first round picks have dropped them into the bottom-tier of the league. As it stands now, the system has two significant anchors in Nathan Beaulieu and Alexei Emelin, two nice complementary pieces in Aaron Palushaj and Louis Leblanc, and then it falls off into project prospects and depth pieces after that.

There’s actually a decent amount of ceiling in this system with an equal amount of risk, as is usually the case for players who are ceiling picks. Nathan Beaulieu, Alexander Avtsin, Jarred Tinordi and Danny Kristo all have quite desirable upsides, but aside from Beaulieu, I’m skeptical about the other prospects’ chances of reaching their ceiling.

Enough doom and gloom!

Here’s Eric Engel’s assessment of this season’s D.

No Plan B for Phoenix, Islanders

Devils trade Rolston for Hunter


445 Comments

  1. Bugs says:

    YES!
    Yes, yes, YES! I friggin DID IT, man! All systems operational. This is my greatest computer victory EVER.
    Only took me 10 hours…
    Thanks to all y’all’s input; very much appreciated.
    Apologies to all those I was debatin with today for skippin out. Let the record show that you’ve all made your points brilliantly and that I, on further reflection, have come to the inevitable conclusion that I was totally out to lunch on the Emelin/Weber thing. Whatever we were discussin, you are right and I am wrong.
    …until tomorrow, muthaluvvas. Unnnnh!
    I’m BACK, baby!
    (Edit) Oh, btw. It was a “DiskCheck ON STARTUP” that saved the day, as opposed to regular diskcheck, for the former also tackled my file data, wherein the offending bug laid…sunovabastich.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Rugger says:

      Glad you got it under control Bugs.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      I know the feeling lol

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  2. Rugger says:

    Parise 1 year, $6M Next year’s target? Better yet, this year’s deadline?

  3. Old Bald Bird says:

    Oh how I hate this page 1 and page 2 stuff that gets stuck in our address bar. And why must we forever be linked to our last post until we re-address the situation?

    • shiram says:

      I go back to the main page, and just click the lnk again, it breaks the link thing to your last post.
      They might have put that in instea of the new tags.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  4. JD_ says:

    Geek is in the air
    Everywhere I look around
    Geek is in the air
    Every byte and every #

    And I don’t know if I’m bein’ foolish
    Don’t know if I’m bein’ right
    But it’s somethin’ that I must believe in
    Cause it’s there when I log on this site

    Geek is in the air
    In the whirrin’ of PCs
    Geek is in the air
    Mac systems never seize?

    And I don’t know if I’m just dreamin’
    Don’t know who will be playin’
    No startin’ lineups I am readin’
    Just Macs ‘n’ PCs again and again

    Geek is in the air
    Geek is in the air
    Aitch eye oh…
    Aitch eye oh…

    With apologies to John Paul Young. And all my fellow geeks, of course.

  5. HardHabits says:

    Windows versus Mac. Pffft. Losers.

    Linux rules baby.

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    You know, I really wish I didn’t have to keep saying this but I will because people are still living in fantasy-land.

    Name me the player who could have intimidated Chara out of not doing what he did to Pacioretty.

    Also, while you’re at it explain to me how the Habs are a bunch of cowards for letting Chara ‘get away’ with what he did to Pacioretty but WHILE explaining how the Bruins letting Cooke get away with what he did to Savard means they’re brave men who stand up for themselves.

    While I’m at it: I’ve been self-building my computers for 8 years now and I’m pretty damn happy on my PC. You don’t want viruses? Don’t download suspect files or open suspect e-mails, it’s how that crap spreads around. You don’t want constant hardware issues? Don’t buy your PC from Walmart. Spend as much researching your computer purchase as you do weighing the results of the last bad Habs loss and you’ll do fine.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HardHabits says:

      And SF09 lays a full on open ice hit on everybody all at once.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Can I +2 (or more)?

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Chara is a *Nephilim. Only a Nephilim can challenge another.
      *See Gilgamesh vs Enkidu.

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • shiram says:

      Great points all around!

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Btw shiram, nice signature. Good to see I’m not the only person around here who appreciates Robert A. Heinlein’s work.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • shiram says:

          Avid sci-fi fan here, and I was glad that a few on here picked up on it.
          No one commented on the drokk, but that’s another sci-fi universe!
          The both of them just have a nice ring together.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Rugger says:

            I am partial to the phrase TANJ from the ringworld series by Larry Niven (though Heinlein is the best).

          • shiram says:

            Tanj feels so tame for curse or swear word though, so I don’t use it IRL, but I’ll let out a drokk once in a while. I’ll give you it fits in well in the stories of Ringworld, it meshes well with the persona of Louie Wu.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • rogus says:

      I don’t recall any garbage out of Chara when the Vegan we are paying to sit at home had a spot on the roster. Not that I am advocating for Mr. Code, or anyone similar to waste roster space on. I do remember fear in Chara’s eye’s…and bad take downs.

  7. KamiDave says:

    Bugs: I’m guessing you’re running Windows 7. I was BSODing (blue screen of death-ing) after I built my new computer, the friendly folks at this forum had be run some diagnostic tools, upload the report and fixed me right up. Worth a try…

    http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-debugging/

    • KamiDave says:

      For some reason my picture doesn’t work anymore.. stupid wordpress!

      edit: and I’m getting a 404 on the first link, the eyes on the prize link.

    • Bugs says:

      Only saw the bsod for a moment, thankfully.
      I’ve now cleared my browser since “forever”, defragmented and reconfigured with selective start-up. Nuthin.
      I’ll give your link a go, fersure.
      Appreciate it.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HardHabits says:

        Bugs. What is your error message when you try to get into Windows? Write it down verbatim and let me know. I am a computer wizard. I repair these idiot boxes for a living. If it can be fixed or if Windows can be retrieved, I can do it, guaranteed.

        • Bugs says:

          No error message.
          Just frozen on desktop when starting up in normal mode.
          I’m trying registry cleaning now.
          Any ideas, lay’em on me.
          Or I fear I’ll be ultimately left with Destructive Recovery, not knowing if Windows will re-install itself or not.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Most likely a virus/malware. Go to your Cdrive, click on ‘program files’. Look for files/folders created at the time (under ‘date modified’) of your system freeze. Delete those files. If, by any chance, you accidentally delete some system components, run a restore. Hope this helps.

            ——————————————————————-
            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Bugs says:

            Another good idea. I’ll remember it for (next?) time.
            Thanks, Evie.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  8. cuzzie says:

    Why can’t the Islanders move to Brooklyn and play at the new Barclay Center? It!d be cool to have a Brooklyn Dodgers Hockey Team.

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  9. JohnBellyful says:

    Just to clear up the confusion over the spelling/pronunciation of Montreal’s latest all-star from Russia . It’s Yahweh-lin.
    Don’t feel embarrassed. Common enough mistake.

  10. Ian Cobb says:

    I have 91 Summit game tickets spoken for.

    I am sold out, get your money orders in the mail today please. I have to pay for them this week.

    The Dallas Sept 20th and the Buffalo 21st pre season game is still available. The more of these I sell, the more Summit tickets I can get.

    If you want pre-season game tickets, call me right away please, before they are sold to the general public at a hire price. 613-968-9807—Ian

    Nov.18,19,& 20th 2011 (Itinerary) for our HIO Fan Summit.
    Park your car for the weekend, everything is two minutes walking distance.

    Friday evening—Meet and Greet, name tags at Hurley’s pub. 1225 Crescent St.

    Saturday–8am Breakfast Chez Cora’s. 1240 Drummond St.
    10am Tour Hall of Fame and Bell Center
    Hall of Fame Tour is now included in the price of your tickets.!!!!!!!!!
    3pm Baton Rouge for pre game meal and children’s
    charity raffle. 1050 Mountain St. (rue de la Montagne)
    7pm Game Hab’s vs Rangers

    After game celebration. the upstairs at Hurley’s pub reserved for us.

    Sunday—-Farewell breakfast and back to the airport for home.

    Hotel rooms– group rate at the Novatel Hotel, be sure to tell them you are with the HIO group to get the deal price. reservation # 514-871-2138

  11. Sticking to the topic of Apple, Steve Jobs now has more money than the US government.

    • HardHabits says:

      Everybody who isn’t in debt has more money than the US. Maybe not to play with but technically, yes.

      • I really don’t understand what you are talking about? Everyone that doesn’t have debt has more money than the US???? WTF does that mean? Every country has debt dude.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          The fact that every country has debt should make one realize there isn’t enough money circulating to pay it all off. You can thank the world banksters for this predicament with their outrageous high interest rate loans (creating money out of nothing – backed by nothing) that are crippling the global economy.

          ——————————————————————-
          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Whoosh…..I got it though Dave.

        Shane Oliver
        http://www.Sholi2000.com
        Brandon, MB,Canada
        R7B 2R7
        hockey@sholi2000.com
        Ph- 204 724 8418

  12. fofe84 says:

    About 5 or 6 years ago, the Habs were considered to have the second-best youth system in the NHL, after the Kings. Neither team developed into a powerhouse. When it comes to assessing youth, it seems to me that most “experts” don’t know what they’re talking about. These days, scouting seems equal parts skill and luck. And while Hockey Prospectus thinks Tinordi played poorly this year, TSN retroactively raised his draft ranking earlier this summer.

    In short, no one knows anything.

  13. punkster says:

    Ouch. PC versus Mac. Worse than a goaltender debate.
    Time to hit the bars!

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  14. Bugs says:

    My dear, dear, techno-savvy friends. Apologies for skippin out but my computer seems to be on the fritz again. Three-month-old harddrive already snappin.
    Presently in Safe Mode.
    Computer starts up fine, then freezes at desktop, reboots icons every minute or so.
    Managed to back up everything, no worries in that regard.
    Question 1: what do I do???
    Question 2: I don’t suppose it’s possible to “reinstall” Windows without the actual disc, is it?
    Question 3: why me?

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • shiram says:

      Try to run malwarebytes, or ccleaner, they usually catch any bug that might cause issues.
      I think Mcaffee allows you to scan your computer on their website as well, definately try to make sure your computer is not infected.

      If you suspect it’s hard drive related, I’d try a check disk, go to your hard drive properties and tools, and run the check disk with all options checked, it will take quite some time though.

      I think if your copy of windows is legit, windows will allow you to download the files you need to reinstall it.
      Not having done this myself, thats about all the help I can get.

      Also, you can go to your Start menu, and in the commands window type in msconfig, and press enter.
      A windows pops up, and you go to services, check hide all microsoft product, and make sure that nothing unruly is on the list, uncheck anything you have not installed on your computers, or seems fishy.
      Do the same thing under the startup tab.

      Hope it help Bugs!

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Bugs says:

        Downloaded malware. Worked fine. But computer still stcuk on desktop.
        Went into device manager, uninstalled yellow unknown element in PCI Modem. Did jack-all except tell me I have to re-install the whole thing.
        Am now following msconfig angle. Ok for “services” but how do I know what’s fishy in startup tab?
        Much obliged.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • shiram says:

          Well if you don’t see anything that sticks at as weird you could always uncheck them all, reboot and see if your computer works, and if it persists just recheck the programs.
          The startup lists the program that you installed and will start during the windows boot up, like sound manager or wifi software.

          But I suspect it’s more likely the hard drive, and I’d try the checkdisk if you haven’t already. Defrag is ok, but won’t fix disk errors.

          The other thing to try is to reinstall windows, and this link might help if you don’t have the cd anymore.
          http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows/help/install-reinstall-uninstallhttp://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows/help/install-reinstall-uninstall

          Good luck.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Bugs says:

            Chkdsk was done automatically after momentary bsod.
            100% kosher all three stages.
            Will scope out your link if comes to that.
            Many thanks.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Bugs says:

            Link won’t open, Shira.
            “Bad Request”.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • shiram says:

            google ‘windows install’ and click the first link

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Bugs says:

            Proud to say I avoided that radical last resort with my determined foray against the ghosts in the machine.
            Thanks for all the tips, Shira.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You running XP Pro?

    • Propwash says:

      Did you attempt a system restore yet?

      • Chips says:

        +1 on the system restore

        25 in 2012

      • Bugs says:

        Yep. Put it back a week. No visible change.
        The system reconfiguration however helped me navigate (somewhat) on the desktop in normal mode, but…did I just zap that progress with the system restore? I know I have to re-install malwarebytes now…
        (sigh)
        Will reconfigure system again, then what? Defrag? Clear BIOS memory?
        Arrrgh!

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Don’t mean to sound smug, Bug, but buy a Mac.
      Had this sweet baby for 4 years and nary a glitch.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        Yea because the simplest way to fix his issue is to buy a 1000$ + computer…

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Mattyleg says:

          The simplest way of avoiding this issue ever happening again. And again. And again…
          That’s why I did it.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • shiram says:

            I’ve never had such issues with a PC that we’re not related to hardware defects, and those affect macs just as much as PC.
            This is my experience working in IT, and supporting large parks of pc’s and mac’s.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • 1000 bucks is pretty cheap for a Mac ;)

          It’s not the cheapest way, but you never have to deal with stupid crap like windows ever again.

          • shiram says:

            Well it’s pretty steap for a pc.
            And Mac have issues just as much as PC’s from my experience, like the spinning rainbow of death.

            Beyond that I don’t feel it’s such good advice when someone has a problem to tell go out and buy a new system, kinda like if someone had a bad tire on their car, and you recommand they buy a brand new car.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Shiram, you can’t ever tell a Mac user that a PC is just as good. It is like telling a Leaf fan Montreal Canadiens are a better team. I resell thousands of PC’s and Mac’s every year, and the people that buy Mac’s will never ever buy a PC again. Not saying they are right or wrong, but almost like a cult following once intaking the Mac Kool-Aid.

          • Oh it’s terrible advice, it’s just pure snark, but that fits Bugs.

            As for issues with Macs being equivalent to PCs, not a chance. I used PCs all my life and never went a single week without a problem, whether it be a freeze or an auto-shutdown or a virus or whatever. I’ve been using a macbook pro for just over 2 years and never had a single virus, unexplained slowdown, or anything else. The only error message I’ve ever experience was Safari shutting down, and when that happened a couple times I just switched to firefox and it’s been smooth sailing since. The comparisons between the security and stability of the two company’s software is almost unfathomably in Apple’s favour.

          • shiram says:

            The thing is, I know that HabinBurlington, but I just don’t get the cult of Mac that is going on, it’s just a computer! Not a lifestyle!
            But people preach the Mac way of life like the preachers on TV preach their faith, it weirds me out!

            And to be clear I don’t have anything against mac, they are usually well designed, and are esthetically made as well. For some applications macs are better than PC’s, but overall I still feel Pc’s deliver a more complete package of available features.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Frank Labarbotte says:

            Shiram the Mac lifestyle is actually a reality now. Look at how seamlessly their products integrate and how many they offer. You can wirelessly stream the movies from your computer onto your television with Apple Tv and control the entire thing with your iPhone or iPad.

            It’s expensive and gimmicky, but damn cool and it all works so well together. When I see the amount of issues that my PC brethren have had to deal with as well as the integration problems they’ve had with other products, I’m damn glad I have Apple products even if my wallet isn’t!

          • Propwash says:

            Problem is, if anything hardware on macs goes t**s up, it gets very expensive due to lack of parts interchangeability.

          • Mac lifestyle? Cult? No. It’s just a computer that never breaks down.

            And Prop, you’re right about that. Replacement hardware for mac’s is just stupid expensive. They’ve taken advantage of it being “cool” to own a mac.

          • Rugger says:

            Okay, I’ll dive in, My daughter graduates in August from 4 year Architecture program – they were issued brand new mac’s freshman year and replaced at beginning of junior year. When she started I bought a new Toshiba PC laptop, all similar speeds and HD sizes. While I have had almost no issues, her macs have had to go back to the school IT department at least a dozen times – sometimes for as long as a week. She has lost several projects etc. I am sticking with my PC thanks.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            @Andrew “As for issues with Macs being equivalent to PCs, not a chance. I used PCs all my life and never went a single week without a problem, …”

            I don’t care what people use. Macs are cool, but I have never had problems with my PCs, and some got rather long in the tooth. Here is a paste some of the comment that I posted below.

            “Typically, people move from an old and often cheap Windows machine to a new, expensive Mac and then think they’ve discovered the promised land. It’s like comparing a juicy apple to a withered peach.”

            I just tire of Mac users who slag PCs. I know your experience is what it is, and I don’t question it, but the implication always seems to be that all Macs are great and all PCs suck. I’m here to say that it ain’t so.

            That’s it. I do not want to go to war on this issue. I’m just trying to balance the ledger a bit. :)

            Edit: Okay I’m back to say that I once had an awful IBM laptop. It was terrible, but I blame IBM and not Windows/PCs. We’ve had four PCs in the house since then, and they’ve all worked a treat.

          • You’re lucky OBB. No matter what you’re buying though, my advice is to spend the extra cash and get a high end computer. Not necessarily in speed or hard drive or whatever but in make.

        • Frank Labarbotte says:

          Simple… but not cheap

          • Sometimes paying a higher price initially is worth it in the long run. Look at tools for example. If you buy Snap-on or Mac tools you’re paying through the nose, but you never, ever have to buy that tool again.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I have nothing against Macs, but I’ve had great luck with PCs holding up for longer than 4 years. I know someone quite well who had trouble with her Mac laptop form the getgo and was relieved to replace it with a Samsung.

        Typically, people move from an old and often cheap Windows machine to a new, expensive Mac and then think they’ve discovered the promised land. It’s like comparing a juicy apple to a withered peach.

        • cuzzie says:

          I Love my Ipad except for not having Flash.
          I’d try system restore. That always did the trick when I used my pc. Do it in safe mode.

          Stay Thirsty My Friends!

          • Cookies says:

            Safari on your iPad won’t support flash. (it would drain your battery power and slow down processes way too drastically for that. Flash is good for computers because of stronger processors)

            What you can do is download a different broswer from the app store! Cloud browse and skyfire come to mind. Keep in mind the poor performance hazards.

            In the mean time, more web developpers will use HTML5 and see the ease of it :)

          • cuzzie says:

            Thanks Cookies, cloud browse is not adobe flash. How come the blackberry tablet has flash?

            Stay Thirsty My Friends!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Go to Start – Run – and in the open line type %temp%

      Delete all the files in that temp folder…

    • I’ve got your fix for you Bugs, buy a Mac.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Oh that’s just what we need on this site!

        A MAC vs PC war to start next :-)

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Hobie this is gonna be like Habs Nordiques, sit back and enjoy!

          • shiram says:

            I’m just dreading the random wild Linux user to come in here and wreck it all up! hehe

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • LA Loyalist says:

          …or the Price/Halak war!

          Seriously, if I were starting from scratch, I would have a cheap cell phone that did nothing except make phone calls and an iPad (with the wireless keyboard if you need it) though the virtual one is ok for minor writing.

          That’s it.

    • R2 says:

      usually at start up, you can press the f8 or f10 and from there you can reset to the factory defaults. it will reinstall the windows. had a similar prob with a HP desktop.

      • Bugs says:

        How will it re-install Windows?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          Computers now have a version of windows partitioned on the hard drive. At least the last two I have owned did. I have done a number of re-installs this way.

          I think I read you had everything backed up, correct?

          All you need to do is delete the existing install and it will format and re-install for you. No more changing disks every 10 minutes for 4 hours. Ahhh, I miss those days…. Floppies, he he.

          Of course you will have to re-install all your programs (unless you do a soft install which doesn’t format and just fixes windows, or whatever they call it) but your computer will be as good as new.

          Just stay away from whatever adult site you were on last… damn dirty adult sites… I guess it is kind of like real life that way, eh, eh?

          Ok, off to the mountains for the long weekend. Good luck.

          • Bugs says:

            Sounds radical. Scary. How do I KNOW it’ll re-install itself after I’ve wiped everything clean?
            And how do I do it if I choose it as last resort?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • R2 says:

          after you reset your computer and before the windows screen starts up, you will usually see something saying press f8 ( or f10) to bypass the windows startup. press the f8 until you get the dos screens and follow the options to reset to factory defaults. once you do this the windows will reinstall itself. not a tech expert but had a similar prob resolved this way.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Question 3: The word “Windows” in question 2 is the answer to this question.

      Windows is the Maple Leafs of operating systems.

    • HardHabits says:

      If your computer is working in Safe Mode and not in Windows it’s not the Hard Drive that is the issue, it is either a virus, a driver or a newly installed program and its background service, but the likely culprit is a virus, trojan or worm.

      • Bugs says:

        That’s what I figure.
        Computer’s hard-drive crashed a few months ago and I couldn’t do NUTHIN. Definitely somethin different goin on now.
        But still left to locate the problem…

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • And on his day Sgt Shane Oliver became Mr. Shane Oliver.

      21.7 years service (All 2 PPCLI, not many can say that)

      Many Ops

      Many Missions

      Pension

      New Business

      Healthy Family

      A Canadiens fan.

      Life is Sweet, see you in a few weeks. I’m driving to PEI.

      Shane Oliver
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      hockey@sholi2000.com
      Ph- 204 724 8418

    • LA Loyalist says:

      buy a mac.

  15. Neutral says:

    you don’t need any Elite players on a team to win a cup. you need a good 1st and 2nd line and a 3rd and 4th line that can chip in. that’s pretty much how Boston won it and a repeat is not out of the question..a very good all around team.

    • Boston has less of a chance to repeat than most recent cup winners. They played THREE 7 game series this year, which means they had a pretty difficult time getting there. They relied on a performance Tim Thomas will never repeat, and they’ve gotten weaker in the offseason with Ryder being swapped out for Pouliot and Kaberle for Corvo (who is a terrible, terrible defenseman). They haven’t upgraded in any area.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Until someone knocks them out, the road to the Cup in the East runs through Boston. Kaberle was no saviour for that team, not so sure Corvo is worse. Ryder for Pouliot I agree.

        Oh yah, they still have this guy named Chara that dominates games he plays in, no matter how much we despise him.

        • Kaberle was unspectacular for them, and terrible vs the Habs, but he was still the 2nd best defenseman on that team during the playoffs, because they have a terrible defense corps. And yes, Corvo is MUCH worse than Kaberle. He’s far less talented, a much worse decision maker, and one of the worst defensemen in the league in his own zone.

          Chara is one player.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Andrew, you can’t be serious saying Kaberle was their 2nd best dman. Come on man, I like your opinion on most matters, but to say Kaberle was better than Seidenberg? You can’t just look at 11 assists for Kaberle and immediately make him 2nd best. Zero physicality, did nothing to help the powerplay. I will agree on Corvo because i could care less about him for the present, but having watched Kaberle in the playoffs and for how many years here in TO, he is the most overrated Dman in the league!

          • Seidenberg made some good plays during the playoffs, he also made some horrendous plays. He and Kaberle were about equivalent, but I’d give Kaberle the edge because he didn’t have the advantage of being Chara’s defense partner.

          • Jonson says:

            did you even watch the playoffs? seidenburg was by far their best dman out there heads above kaberle thats for sure. they have as good a chance to win this year as they did last year.
            only good thing is that its montreal’s cup year this year.

      • dasbooth says:

        I have a hard time believing Thomas can do it again, but then again I never thought he’d go all the way to the cup with that level of elite play. I wouldn’t be blown away if does it or something similar again.

        “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        You forgot their biggest downgrade: they lost Colin Campbell.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        They have Tyler Seguin sitting there. That’s an upgrade as he didn’t play much. That said, I think your analysis is accurate.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Nice Avatar!

    • Brinkley says:

      I agree – although Boston may have lacked elite talent – they had tremendous depth (4 solid lines) – were big & strong, consistant scorers , tough on defefse, great goaltending and a team built for the 4 rounds of playoof hockey.

      They may or may not repeat as Cup Champs, but the Bruins will be THE team to beat in the NE Division.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Not all teams have a good crack at getting superstars. If not, you need lots of character and depth. I think we’re getting there.

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Sopel going to the KHL.

    Anyone else see this? I bet everyone else has seen this.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372746

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      Yea I was just over his wife’s blog, it seems Sopel still wants to play, but it will be a tough stretch for them.
      I do wish them the best of luck, and I regret that we did not get to see Sopel play much here.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, seems like a good guy.
        Wonder what the money ended up being…

        Holy Shi*, I just checked out where Novokuznetsk is…

        Seems to be in the middle of nowhere just north of the intersection between Kazakhstan and Mongolia…

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • avatar_58 says:

      lol at the comment saying he would rather play in the KHL than montreal.

      I’m always amused at folks who have no clue about the habs. Does he think Sopel plays RW or something? There’s no room nor need

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      judging by the wikipedia website it just looks cold.

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  17. FishOutOfWater says:

    Brent Sopel – Signed 2-year deal with Metallurg Novokuznetsk (KHL)

  18. joeybarrie says:

    Habs:
    -Goaltending….. No problem, among the top of the league.
    -Defense…..Markov and PK between 30 and 50 assists each.
    Gorges and Gill will help us to have a strong PK
    -Forward…..Cammalleri and Gionta can pot 30-40 each
    Pleks and Cole can hit 25 goals each and 25-40 assts
    MaxPac and AK can pot 20-25 goals and assts each
    Stay healthy, see some nice production and growth from Eller and DD, and hope Gomez has a comeback season….. I cannot see why this team can’t fight for the East and make the Finals.
    AND we still have 5 mil in cap space to use.
    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      At risk of sounding all Hard Habit-sy, the one problem I see is with your line:

      “I cannot see why this team can’t fight for the East and make the Finals.”

      I hope this team finds some ‘push back’. Not necessarily in fighting majors – but a mean and nasty streak. Maybe Yemelin will bring it, but if he doesn’t make the team, we’re still lacking some team toughness…

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

      • joeybarrie says:

        I agree that this team isnt as big and tough as the Bruins, Philly etc etc. But we can hole our own.
        Cole and Moen are big and tough.
        AK and Gill has Size.
        MaxPac and Eller are aggressive and hit.
        PK and Gorges hit and they are the only 2 of all these guys under 6 foot 2.
        White is tough, he hits and he isnt small…
        Darche is aggressive and plays with alot of heart.
        DD and Gio may be small, but they play hard.

        Plus this team is fast. And thats how we win.
        I certainly do not think this team is not tough…

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • Sakus Evil Twin says:

          No doubt – but how many times have we seen a cheap shot or dirty play only to have our Habs skate away leaving an invitation to carry on.

          And I’m not just talking about the Bruins.

          Don’t get me wrong – I’m very excited about the speed and skill of the Habs – that’s what gets me out of my seat – but I always get this deflating feeling when the chippy stuff happens and the Habs skate away without making so much as brief eye contact. It’s like an open invitation to continue.

          No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

          • Jonson says:

            is anybody really scared of anyone else on the ice?? you dont see too many many fights where one guy gets really beat up. and most of them are used to it. i dont think anyone really cares if they have to fight or not, fights usually last 45 secs and its over. how much can someone be scared?? they are all very strong guys.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          The one thing that will be hard to erase from peoples’ minds is the size, toughness and injury issue. I’ve done my best to look past it but its tough.

          You have to wonder if Markov will hold up. You have to wonder if Pacioretty will be the same and will continue to develop as fast as he did last year.

          Will Cole Run into injures like he has in the past?

          And will the smaller players like Gionta, Cammalleri, Plekanec and even Gomez make it through 82 games of getting pounded on by larger players.

          I think Cole on one line and Pacioretty on the other gives us a nice new look and some new options but they didn’t really do anything to address the fact that if a goon from another club decides to target our stars we have no real answer.

          Keeping fingers crossed that we hold up in the injury department and that the tougher teams leave us alone.

          • What exactly do you mean by “we have no answer” to a cheapshot? Are you saying we don’t have a goon who goes and fights people? Because that doesn’t make a difference and never has. Are you saying we don’t have a player who can lay a cheapshot in return? I’d have to disagree vehemently there.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I promised myself not to argue this topic on this site again because you have half the people who believe a big tough guy does nothing and the other half who believe it is super important.

            I myself believe it is important.

            When Lucic, Thornton or whoever abuses one of our players and nobody does anything it bothers me.

            I guess some people are OK with it but I’m not.

            I guess it’s differs from person to person?

          • No, the problem you’re having Hobie is that you think it’s a matter of opinion that a tough guy makes a difference, when people have studied it for the last several years and the only conclusion is that carrying a “tough guy” makes your team weaker. The Bruins have Chara, Lucic, Thornton etc and Horton still got knocked on his ass, Savard had his career ended, Bergeron almost had the same.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Until the NHL starts to enforce its rules fairly and consistently, it will be necessary to protect our skill players. Scotty Bowman did it, he’d jiggle the line up to go into Philly or Boston.

            Are you smarter than Scotty? Bob Gainey signed Laraque for the same reason. It was our bad luck he went vegan on us, but the prinicipal was sound.

            Hockey is a tough physical game. Players play with an edge, tempers can flare. You don’t like it, go watch baseball or golf.

          • And in comes LA Loyalist with… what? False dichotomies and appeals to authority? Craft a real argument and come back please, that comment is nonsense on top of nonsense. Name one player who was “saved from injury” by an enforcer in the last 5 years.

    • Brinkley says:

      Make it to the Finals?

      I would’t go out to Vegas and bet my retirement savings on that premise.

      This Habs team will fight for a playoff spot!

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Speaking of players heading to Europe, Mike Danton the former St. Louis Blue is now heading to Sweden to play.

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    As a Hab fan living in the GTA area, I am obviously innundated with Leaf news, Leaf fans etc….. I am amazed at how little media attention the issue of Luke Schenn not being signed yet. Schenn means more to the Leafs than Gorges does to the Habs yet you wouldn’t know it from the media or from the leafs fans I have talked too.

    Not sure what that means, but I find it interesting.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Ya Schenn to me is the most valuable piece on that blue line because of his age, current ability and the fact that he still hasn’t completely matured.

      The one and only thing I miss about living in the GTA, besides dancing at after hours rave clubs and not sleeping for entire weekends (1998-2002), is the FAN 590.

      If the Canadiens had a 24 hour radio station almost entirely devoted to them it would be awesome. The Team 990 is pretty weak.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Funny you say that Hobie, during Hockey Season I tune in to Team 990 alot, especially during playoffs. The Fan 590 has had some changes this year, some better some worse. The big thing coming up is the Leafs radio rights are rumoured to be for sale as AM640 appears to be getting out of the part time sports business. TSN’s new radio station and Fan590 will have a huge bidding war on this one.

        Even the Fan590 is not making a big deal at all about Schenn not signed yet. Are we that crazy/fanatical as Hab fans given how worked up we were about Gorges? I realize circumstances were different, but I would have expected Leaf fans to be up in arms that Schenn is unsigned yet. Perhaps this is more like Price resigning last year, an inevidible signing.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          The thing I liked about the Fan 590 is that they get all the top hockey minds to appear on their shows.

          I also listen to the Team 990 and they have their moments and I shouldn’t trash them. But compared to the Fan 590 they are pretty low budget. Probably because they broadcast to a much smaller audience.

          I like how the Fan 590 now has shows running from 11pm to 5am again and they don’t switch over to ESPN radio – forcing people to listen to NASCAR and College Basketball talk all night.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            The other good thing, since TSN came on the radio, no more Pierre MacGuire on the Fan590!

      • shiram says:

        Take this : Ya Schenn to me is the most valuable piece on that blue line because of his age, current ability and the fact that he still hasn’t completely matured.

        Replace Schenn by Price and you have HIO last summer.
        I don’t think the Leafs fan should freak out just yet.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I get Fan 590 Hockey Central on Sirius satellite radio here in LA, I think Sirius is in Canada now. If you drive a lot, it’s worth it. Mercedes comes with the first 6 months free, maybe someone is offering some deal like that.

        You can also pull it in on your computer: use Radiotime or someone like that for free.

        It’s kind of all Leafs, all the time, but sometimes they crack a funny.

    • deimers says:

      I wish a GM would throw a borderline outrageous offer sheet at him, just to get Burkie to blow up in the media. He’d have no choice but to match it. Something like 3 years 13.5M would do the trick.

      I would definitely find the fallout to be hilarious.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The ensuing head explosion of Burke would be epic! Let’s see the Oilers need defencemen, Kevin Lowe is still in the organization we all remember his signing of Dustin Penner. Come on Tambellini go for it!!!!!

  21. JD_ says:

    Looks like Kovy’ll be on the move again as word on the street is the Atlant team has just bein’ relocated to Winnipe.

    Booya, baby!

  22. ds says:

    Montreal’s prospects aren’t that hot because lets face it, the team has been a consistent middle pack team for so long. Add in some questionable trades like the Tanguay one and it shows that it will be felt in the next few years.

    Also the top teams with prospects are the ones that would trade all their players, play with scrubs and tank for years. Chicago, P(sh)ittsburgh, Islanders come to mind. Thankfully Tranna’s cupboard is bare as well.

    Too bad the NHL isn’t like the EPL where the bottom team would have to spend a year in the AHL instead of winning a lottery pick.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You know, that may happen in the end though the players ass would scream. It would have to happen for the NHL to expand any further, like into Europe.

      What do you guys think? I don’t have a dog in the fight but I can see both sides of the argument.

  23. RetroMikey says:

    What’s everyone’s prediction on when the Stanley Cup will be coming back to Montreal?
    I say 2024-2025, the season where we only have 12 NHL teams competing for the Cup.
    Seriously, I don’t see us sipping any champagne soon.
    Hockey has changed so much and there won’t be any dynasty or back to back winners ever again.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • G-Man says:

      2012. It’s the last chance…

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Within the next 3 years.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Why can’t the Habs compete this season?

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • DearyLeary says:

        If Markov stays healthy it’s possible, but we’re still missing some elite level scoring talent. Gomez’s contract being a tradeable asset we’ll have the space to bring in a big fish.

        I think we’ve got a strong defence, great goaltending, and some good players at forward, one great forward that can open ice for the others will go a long way to making this team a sustainable contender.

        I think that as Beaulieu and Tinordi graduate (will likely be the same time that Gomez gets shipped/leaves town) we’ll be looking at a defence core that’ll include the two youngsters, a more seasoned PK, and hopefully Markov/Gorges to anchor the veteran roles (with another roleplayer to fill the gaps: Yemelin, Diaz, Bennet et al. makes it easier to fill those roles, or free agency at a bargain for a veteran).

        This year we can contend for a top 3 seed in the conference, but I still think we lack the scoring punch to contend for a Cup. Markov might be the difference, and I hope he is, I just don’t think a defenceman will be able to ignite a fairly stagnant offence.

        • The Bruins didn’t have a single elite scoring talent on their team last season. Not one.

          • DearyLeary says:

            They also potted 246 goals to our 216. To close a gap like that you need to upgrade your scoring talent significantly.

            I think that adding Cole and having Patches/Markov back for a full season will make an appreciable difference in goal production. But adding a 1A type player with the cap space that Gomez will vacate can make this team very dangerous for a long time.

            I like our depth at defence (and our prospects), and Price can hold the fort for a long time (minus a Roy moment). We’ve got some good vets up front, but nobody who can be a horse and take over a game/series (we’ll see how Cole and Patches do in the playoffs, because I see no reason we won’t make the playoffs).

            So while I like what we have now, upgrading at Gomez’s expense can make this team a perennial contender.

            Just as a footnote: 8 NON-playoff teams scored more goals than we did. The fact that the Bruins won the Cup without a 1A type scorer doesn’t detract from our need of one.

          • showey47 says:

            Thats almost 1 more goal every 3 games. Not exactly a huge margain when you think about it. If you even break it down further by eliminating empty net goals its almost 1 goal every 4 games.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        1. Because the players aren’t allowed to leave their own end.
        2. Gomez
        3. Gomez

  24. TSN’s thoughts on Carey Price, Lundqvist and Quick next season.

    http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/#clip509109

  25. People are forgetting the 06-07 season, when Kovalev had a bad year with the Canadiens. Anyone remember how responded in the 07-08 season?

    That’s why as a fan, I am willing to give Gomez one more chance. He deserves it. And I believe he has more heart than Kovy does.

  26. Alright, so I was thinking that perhaps Pronman is right, and after 3-4 players in the system we don’t have many prospects that will most likely hit their potential. So, yeah, currently our system is no longer one of the best anymore, FOR NOW.

    But this confused me a bit:
    “12. Columbus Blue Jackets: Parting ways with Nikita Filatov put a partial damper into this system’s stock, but a huge year from David Savard and having Ryan Johansen establish himself as one of the elite prospects in hockey helped compensate for the loss.”

    Hold on a sec.

    If you are going to consider Filatov as an elite prospect, a 21-year old player with 70+ AHL games and 40+ NHL games under his belt..How on Earth are the Habs not in top 10? If Filatov is a prospect then so are Subban, Eller, and Weber. Changes the entire scenario. Anyways, I am not upset at all.
    If anything, the system has produced good talented and critical role players in Price, Subban, White, Desharnais and Pacioretty. Four of those graduated last season. Four prospects graduated in ONE season. Heck of a success if you ask me. Let’s not forget the acquisition of Eller either.

    Yes, the upcoming players within the system like Leblanc, Beaulieu, Kristo and Tinordi all seem like project players that won’t be graduating anytime soon, but there’s no need or requirement for them at the moment. The roster already has young talent, which we could not say before this past season, when Pacioretty, Subban, Eller, Desharnais, White, all were in the AHL. And they have been excellent replacements, over Sergei Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendresse, Metropolit and M.A. Bergeron (at least with the Habs). And no, I still wouldn’t take Sergei or Guillaume back, if one cannot take their job seriously how can you rely on them? That’s when our team required depth. There is enough time for those project players to develop and eventually graduate, as Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez, Cole, Markov, all of their contracts expire in 3-4 years. Some of them will be re-signed and some new players will be brought in by FA. I understand why some of you are upset, it’s always good to be “loaded” with talent in both the big league and the AHL, but since we already have youth within the roster, those prospects would only become trade-bait.

    Stop worrying.

  27. bleedhabs81 says:

    I understand the importance of having a deep farm system, but is it all really that gloomy if we do not. Sure, if significant injuries happen we may not have the bodies to come up and provide some help.

    When we did have a deep farm system that was the envy of the league, where did we finish? How many Cups did we win? Where are most of those players now? Of the players that are projected to make the team out of camp this year, who will be on a top line playing major minutes.

    We had a few gems which graduated quickly (Price, PK) and obviously this hurts in the depth of the farm system evaluation. However, what about the others? Sure, they may be NHL calibre players, but what calibre are we talking about? Impact players or the dime a dozen 3rd and 4rth liners. It seems to me that most of our prospects have never really been touted to be anything more than below average 2nd line players at best. These guys are good cheap labour, and they can pitch in every now ang again, but are they the cornerstones to building championships… no.

    Sure, we have Pleks, Markov, Kostitsyn, Price, Subban which came from our farm but over the years some of our best players were from trades or signings (ie Kovalev, Gionta, Cammy, Laraque (just seeing if you were still awake), etc.)

    The way I see it, as long as your scouts can pick up at least one quality player in the draft every year, who cares how deep the farm system is… deep just means you have more 3rd line guys than you can actually usein the NHL.

    I know the arguement can be made that they can be used to trade for quality players, but again, how many impact players have been acquired using players from our farm. Maybe a slight mis-management of talent letting some guys go for so litte, but this is the norm. Picks are way more valuable unless you have a gaurenteed blue chip prospect your willing to trade.

    Having a deep farm makes us feel all warm and fuzzy, but really, is it a gaurentee that this projects itself into a cup team, not really.

    There is still potential in the farm. We just don’t have 10 guys who are capable of playing 10 minutes a game or sitting in the press box at the Bell who are waiting for their call up. That is all.

    Lastly, with all the young talent we have now in the NHL, we have some time to stock the shelves again while we compete for the Cup (which is way better than stocking the shelves while golfing in April… am I right Brian Burke… Who hates Brain Burke?)

  28. HabsFan92 says:

    Brent Sopel also signed in the KHL if anyone cares haha

    • shiram says:

      It seems he posted it on his twitter, 2 years in the KHL.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabFab says:

      Poor Sopel!
      Novokuznetsk is like Hamilton and Sudbury combined in the middle of Siberia.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Middle of nowhere:

        View Larger Map

        • HabinBurlington says:

          That map really puts it in perspective. So a weekend trip to Mongolia would have to replace a weekend Jaunt to Florida I am guessing.

          • HabFab says:

            Close to the Chinese border for some cross border shopping, great bargains abound! ;)

        • Cardiac says:

          I’m getting visions of Sly Stallone’s training montage in Rocky IV.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Amazing how quick the veterans in this league now are facing a whole new world. The new CBA has provided increasing salaries for all the high end talent and players finishing their entry level contract. But any marginal veteran player with complete UFA status unwilling to sign for league minimums is out the door. Imagine the lifestyle change for the families of these guys. I suspect a guy Sopel may go on his own and leave his family in North America.

        • Chrisadiens says:

          I feel bad for the guy. Sopes was a good man. Surprised no teams wanted to sign him. Maybe he couldnt refuse the 2 yr deal?

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  29. scrowe21 says:

    So I just checked the TSN website.. saw the big heading “HOMEWARD BOUND” and a picture of Kovy in a Habs jersey.. not gunna lie, I was excited for 2 seconds.

  30. FLAHABFAN says:

    I have finally come to terms with the fact Gomez is not going anywhere. So down here in Florida I will train myself to embrace his presence on the team and not yell “you suck, Gomez!” at my tv every time he touches the puck. On another note, I wouldn’t mind seeing Nik Zherdev sign a 1 year deal with the habs for less than 2 million.

    • HabFab says:

      Actually next year, Gomez becomes a CAP bargain in that his Cap Hit will be greater then his Salary.

      On a more positive note! Here’s hoping he has a good year!

  31. rhino514 says:

    The reason the Habs prospects are not highly ranked is because 3 or 4 of the good prospects from last year just graduated to the big club. It´s not, by itself, a very meaningful ranking. A far more meaningful list would be a “youth” ranking for players under 23 or so, who are either with the club or close to making the club.
    The habs would rank highly right now on such a list. I wouldn´t trade Montreal´s current situation with Subban, MaxPac, Price, Eller for any that of the top ranking prospect organisations who haven´t had any of their prospects yet make their clubs. The majority of prospects, even first round draft picks, fail to become top six forwards or first pairing defensemen. Alot of times those positions are secured by surprising personnel.

  32. Chrisadiens says:

    L’artiste just signed with Atlant Mytishchi of the KHL.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  33. JD_ says:

    * This has got to stop. I just came across a news piece detailin’ Carey Price’s plans to go parachute-free skydivin’ on horseback whilst jugglin’ chainsaws that have been marinated overnight in the Ebola Virus. Seriously, this guy’s gonna put an eye out.

    * As part of the Just For Laughs comedy fest currently underway in Montreal, there is a hockey-themed show tonight, Bumps, Bruises, & Bedtime Stories. On stage will be Kerry Fraser, Dave “Da Hammah” Schultz, and Jim MacKenzie; Christopher John Nilan, aka Knuckes, was scheduled to appear but is unfortunately dealin’ with an ankle ailment.

    * Fraser tells the story of Nilan defendin’ himself at a disciplinary hearin’ for havin’ butt-ended a few of Habs killer Rick Middleton’s teeth out, by suggestin’ that Fraser would not have seen the infraction if he had been followin’ the play up the ice rather than “pickin’ on” Nilan by keepin’ an eye on him. Knuckles probably meant this with full earnestness. It’s just so awesome.

    * Always figured Rolston was the odd man out in NJ after Kovy II was signed up, but what a way to go. After three sorta middlin’ seasons back with his beloved Devils, he’s thrust into the glarin’ spotlight *cough*morgue*cough* that is Long Island. On a positive note, he’ll probably see a whole lot of ice time.

    * Speakin’ of the Islanders, put up your hand if you knew that the team’s arena, Nassau Coliseum, is formally named Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. Now, put up your hand if you appreciate the rich irony embedded in that factoid.

    * Saw 24C’s reference to the Jets farm team’s new name, the IceCaps. Accordin’ to everyone’s good friend, Wikipedia, “an ice cap is an ice mass that covers less than 50,000 km² of land area”. Mere words cannot fully encapsulate just how freakin’ inspirin’ that is. My tears of joy are interminglin’ with the goose bumps, creatin’ a veritable cornucopia of overexcited rapture…zzzzzzzzzzzzz…

    * Just readin’ that the Loafs org is slowly gearin’ up for the team’s centennial in 2017. Disproportionately black & white video montages, anyone?

    • Cardiac says:

      I wonder if they will parade around all those players again the way they did when the Gardens closed…

      And at $5 million, Rolston becomes the highest paid Islander on their roster. I wonder what means of transportation Tavares will choose to get the heck out of there come season’s end. My bet is either cannon or catapult.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  34. ZepFan2 says:

    “Pretty grim, eh?”

    Just the way HIO wants it!

    ———————————————————————-
    Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.

  35. Rugger says:

    I think Spacek will have a very good year, giving JM flexability to truely eval (Y)Emilin before having to commit to him in the lineup, as well as giving PG more ammo for the trade deadline.

  36. HardHabits says:

    Hockey Prospectus and Habs Future have divergent yet equally sophomoric views on NHL team’s farm depth.

    Habs Future is out of date and shows an obvious lack of insight and even less research into player’s potential. It is useful at the very least to gets lists of players and then take it from there to start any research one might like to do.

    As for Hockey Prospectus saying the Habs had one of the worst systems a few months ago is laughable. Didn’t the Bulldogs win their Division and go to game 7 of their Conference Final? Wasn’t that run also accomplished after the Habs called up Desharnais, White, Pacioretty and Weber?

    I do not and I mean I do not let these pedantic wannabes sway my perception. Seriously. My favourite sites for info are Hockey DB and Elite Prospects because they concern themselves with stats and facts and not supposition. Of course I find all the various website’s stats pages of each of the different leagues that exist globally to be useful as well.

    Then, if I want something Habs related or just plain info it’s Habs World for good links and HIO for believe it or not great and insightful commentary from fans, not to mention the gems Boone comes up with and the up to date info when the HIO staff aren’t either partying too hard or either asleep at the wheel or too hung over to move.

    I also frequent RDS comments pages because truth be told, the French fans seriously know their shiznit. Sadly I don’t comment often because although I read French, unlike Bugs, my writing in my learned language might be passable but my attempts in Quebec’s official language miss the mark if not are full of spelling and conjugation errors. Not to mention they have a minimum word limit and ask that you write a short story.

    Which brings me back to my own opinionated perspective. The Habs are obviously deep at the defensive position. Incredibly at that, at least apparently incredible. How things pan out is yet to be seen but with Price, the system and this loaded stable of young D-men at least one area of the team looks solid. With Price in the fold I don’t really see any danger or weakness in nets even though there isn’t a really good prospect apart from Delmas at that position. Who knows? Maybe Mayer finds the form at the AHL level that didn’t elude him at ECHL one.

    The big concern for me is 1st line talent in the system. The Habs have been notoriously perceived as being a team that drafts plugs, 3rd and 4th liners ad nauseum. The only top 6 forwards of significance in the last 20 years drafted by the Habs that the team held on to have been Koivu and Plekanec. Maybe Pacioretty will be the next one. Andrei Kostitsyn hasn’t yet made it although he has the tools, just lacks the drive.

    This has to be remedied IMO. Trading picks for rentals is part of the reason why the Habs have been weak here. A lack of either creativity or plain old BAMFY ruthlessness has been another. The Habs can’t tank so apparently they have to be patient and hope they can sneak a top line forward in a la Detroit in the later rounds. I personally don’t buy that dice rolling nonsense. Might as well tank and play the real lottery. Since that isn’t going to happen trading players for 1st and 2nd rounders would be something I’d like to start seeing as opposed to the opposite move the Habs are noted to make and maybe some trading up at the draft.

    For a team to miss so many 1st and 2nd round picks over the years belies a certain complacency. I don’t believe that the Habs are guilty of intentionally having a let’s make the play-offs to keep the fans interested even if it is at the cost of building a team that can go all the way mentality but the perception is still there amongst fans, especially after 20 years of having only one play-off round start on home ice. Sometimes I do think making or trying to make the play-offs every year might look good short term but essentially hurts the organization long term. It remains to be seen whether or not the Habs can build a champion with astute late pick drafting while maintaining a team that is perennially in the play-off hunt. For a team like this though 1st and 2nd round picks are too valuable to be squandered on rentals. It’s a vicious circle that has been exacerbated by injuries. Having smallish players in a defensive system doesn’t make things any easier for the Habs to dig themselves out of this seeming hole they’re in due to the constant spinning of their wheels in the mud over the years.

    As Habs fans we can only watch and hope our team gains the necessary traction to race to the finish line and come in 1st. But if anyone was able to predict the future, they’d be betting on sports not writing about them.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      D’accord. We consistently sacrifice winning in order to succeed. We fans are as much to blame as management, however. We would have been much better off, in the years we failed to make the playoffs, to finish last. But who would stand for it? We’d have the GM’s and coaches’ heads in nooses before Foster Hewitt could say, Yvan Cournoyer. C’est très domage.

      Go Habs!

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      Spot on Post HH.

      Can it be the weekend now?

  37. 24 Cups says:

    The comment section at the bottom of the article gives mixed reviews on the naming of Winnipeg’s new farm team.

    http://www.tsn.ca/ahl/story/?id=372730

    • shiram says:

      Isn’t Icecap some kind of iced drink?

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Cardiac says:

        This has sponsorship written over it. Image the Tim Horton’s arena complete with the Bagel B.E.L.T. section…

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

  38. Habshire says:

    Not that it’s a big deal but Eric Engels from ctv calls him Alexei Emelin yet Apron Basu from ctv points out on may 17: ‘Don Meehan says his client prefers his name be spelled Alexei Yemelin’.

    http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110517/mtl_habshub_habit_110517/20110517/?hub=MontrealSports

  39. 24 Cups says:

    The laffs follow Habs’ lead.
    (Ryerson is a small, downtown university in Toronto)

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1031472–put-plan-to-call-arena-maple-leaf-gardens-on-ice-ryerson-told

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “The court documents also say Ryerson’s use of the Maple Leaf Gardens name could lead people to mistakenly believe Ryerson is affiliated with the Leafs, …”

      Shouldn’t Ryerson be the ones wishing to deny the association?

      • 24 Cups says:

        Great line!

        Edit: Times two, Shiram.

      • shiram says:

        They are hoping to get free waffles.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • patience is a virtue says:

        Funny thing. Played my regular Thursday night pick up hockey last night. One of the guys is a real dynamo on the ice. He also works as the video analyst for the local OHL and tier 2 Jr A teams. He had an interview with the Leafs last week for a job as their assistant video analyst. He didn’t get it – came in as runner up. He was disappointed.

        I said, “It’s OK, it’s the Leafs afterall.” Neither he nor some of the other guys in the room were amused.

        You gotta respect fans who stick with their team through thick and thin. A whole lotta thin in their case :)

      • cuzzie says:

        Good one!

        Stay Thirsty My Friends!

      • Cardiac says:

        “historic hockey palace”
        If that place is a palace, who is the sultan?

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

  40. patience is a virtue says:

    Ooops – this was meant as a reply to Bob-Sac below…

    I have little doubt Spac will start the season in the top 6. My wish list is for Christmas time. I think JM is a wise enough coach to demote an aging veteran if the young guys are proving their worth. Unfortunately most of his promotions these past 2 seasons have been driven by need (i.e. injuries). It’s not really fair for us to judge how he would perform with a healthy squad – we just haven’t seen it yet.

    But we can be sure that PG let the Wiz and Hammer walk and signed Emelin and Diaz with a purpose that he has communicated clearly to his coach.

    Expect Weber and Emelin to get a solid chance to prove themselves.

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit News

    We have 68 Summit game tickets spoken for and I have received 10 more for selling 10 pre-season tickets to the Dallas Sept 20th and the Buffalo 21st game. If you want Summit or pre-season game tickets, call me right away please before they are sold to the general public at a hire price. 613-968-9807—Ian

    Nov.18,19,& 20th 2011 Itinerary for our HIO Fan Summit

    Friday evening—Meet and Greet, name tags at Hurley’s pub.

    Saturday–8am Breakfast Chez Cora’s.
    10am Tour Hall of Fame and Bell Center
    Hall of Fame Tour is now included in the price of your tickets.!!!!!!!!!
    3pm Baton Rouge for pre game meal and children’s
    charity raffle.
    7pm Game Hab’s vs Rangers

    After game celebration. the upstairs at Hurley’s pub reserved for us.

    Sunday—-Farewell breakfast and back to the airport for home.

    Hotel rooms– group rate at the Novatel Hotel, info to follow.

  42. Feraco says:

    This team WILL score more 5 – 5 goals this year vs what it did last year.

    Cammi – Pleks – Cole
    Gio – Gomer – Pactioretty
    Kosti – Eller – Darche
    Moen – Desjarnais – White
    **Engquist plays 4th line Center until Eller returns. DD moves up to 3rd line center.

    Some notes:

    – Gomez cannot be any worse, oh no, can he?
    – Cole is an instant upgrade as he was picked up for nothing
    – Another yr of development for Eller, White, and DD.
    – Lets not forget Carey Price. Watching videos on TSN today – lets not forget this guy – he is an ace.

    Any upside in bringing in Stillman or Drury on a 1 yr deal to play the 3rd / 4th line while Eller is out?

    -Molson Ex mon ami-

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      There is no upside, rosters kinda full :P

      Go Habs Go

    • HabFab says:

      Eller is ahead of rehab and said he will be ready for training camp. And I really think DD will play with Eller and AK as a third scoring line. White does play Center so can do the energy line. Both Eller and DD are wasted in that role.

  43. SeriousFan09 says:

    We weren’t going to win the Cup in 2010-11. Markov, Gorges, Pacioretty being out before the series even started assured us of that. Gomez having his worst career season topped it off to make sure our C depth was weak, than our two young Cs had to go out and get a knee sprain and a seperated shoulder. However the Habs still took Boston farther than ANYONE else did and that shows what this team is capable of battling for.

    Next year MTL is far more in line with the improved scoring depth on the team and the healthy D-group. Not saying they’re in the strong Contender category, but if the right players have good seasons than the team can certainly press for it in the post-season, where they have the ‘book’ on three of four biggest names in the East (WSH, PIT, BOS) and potentially, maybe the power forwards and defensive grit to dance with Philly.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Serious: I realize that you post updates on here regarding the Habs future and their prospects.

      I actually ready all your updates and I love them!

      But in saying that, I also realize that you’re a diehard fan with a passion in reading up on these matters. What I get from your articles is an organized list of our prospects and their stats. And that is great!

      But your are not about to tell people that Tinordi is going to be a career 3rd pairing defenseman? Are you? Not unless you site which coach or NHL scout told you that. or that you saw someone say that on TSN?

      This Pronman guy is passing his opinion, which has zero validity as if he were some sort of expert of analyzing junior hockey talent. That’s all I’m saying.

      I’m not trying to offend you in any way.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Here’s the thing , I don’t take everything Pronman says to the bank. I cast a wide net, I try and see the scouting/prospect game from as many angles as possible so I can balance the high-end predictions and more realistic ones. I don’t always believe what other scouts write as well but I take all the information so I can see what is going on. If 3 of 4 sources say “Tinordi could be a Top-4 D” that is a prediction I’d go with, but if the 4th source says “may not grow beyond 3rd-pairing” I’m still obligated to keep that in mind IMO. I can’t just read the pie in the sky stuff for Montreal’s prospects and hope it all works out.

        I like that Pronman gets away from those silly “next Yzerman/Lidstrom” comparisons and uses more realistic comparisons when he does his prospect notes. I like his tool measuring stats. I do think he is a little bit harsh on players and he overvalues hockey sense in his evaluations but sometimes it’s interesting to get the minority opinion.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • dorvalhabsfan says:

          Tinordi will be top 6 Dman eventually if he makes the NHL

          Go Habs Go

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          My response to that is that there are plenty of reporters out that can go directly to the source, a real NHL scout or coach, get a quote or an opinion from that person and write an article.

          Why in the hell are we reading predictions from this Pronman guy when there are real professionals out there that have direct access to this information and not a bunch of crap thrown together from other people’s work

          All I’m saying is this guy’s opinion means absolutely nothing and I’m very surprised HIO would post garbage from a total amateur on their website and present it like a real article.

          You can respond and I’ll let you have the last word. But I guarantee you that if you polled 100 people that 90% of them would identify this guy as a very unreliable person to get accurate information on prospects.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I’m pretty much everywhere and following everyone in the Habs blog world that posts any kind of link to something involving the kids, I even use Google Translate to get what I can out of French-language articles.

            The thing is, there is not much news about prospects as people seem to think there is. We still don’t know what is going on with Louis Leblanc’s shoulder surgery rehab. I had no idea Alex Avtsin was having ongoing wrist problems last season unless I listened to Hamilton Bulldogs pre-game reports on the radio or visited the Canadiens section of Hockey’s Future. Pronman’s opinion may not go with what you think is right but he is a scout and he is entitled to an opinion which I find is a hell of a lot more valid than anyone else’s around here, including mine.

            And again, you are acccusing someone who is thought to have relevant information by multiple journalists and scouts for being a plagirist when you have absolutely NO evidence of it!

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

  44. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Phooey, in my own assessment we are actually 13th in overall development and if we win I’ll be wrong. Come to think of it, if we lose, I’ll be wrong. Come to think of it, no one really knows, do they? It’s all opinion and speculation. Until things change, we’ll just have to play all 82 games starting in October and see how these things turn out. I hate sports “experts” and most “pundits” alike. Grrrr.

  45. patience is a virtue says:

    Happy to see some thoughtful discussion this morn.

    The Habs have created options at D short and long-term. Just as one of the several Dmen drafted this year in addition to Beaulieu is bound to become an NHL regular, I’d wager that one of Weber, Emelin or Diaz will likely stick in the top 4 this year.

    We could never have known that Subban would play much of the year as the number 1 dman this time last year. Similarly, we cannot predict which of these solid prospects will mature to top 4 status, but with 3 options, I’ll bet 1 of em does.

    I’m hoping it’s Emelin out there punishing top line forwards on opposing teams with bruising hits.

    Come Christmas, I’d like to see

    Markov-Emelin
    Gill-Subban
    Gorges-Weber
    Spac

    Unlike some others I am happy we have Spac for depth (although I’d have preferred Hammer). You can bet that not all of those guys will be in the line up come Christmas. As long as Markov and Subban are OK, the Habs should have one of the best Ds in the East.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Agreed, by the way, with the thoughtful discussion. Although I tend to STRONGLY defend my positions, its been a long time since I have seen some real nonsense, like I remember seeing…
      I think even the downtrodden realize this could be a GREAT season…
      GOD I CANT WAIT. F*CK THE REST OF THE SUMMER. HURRY UP OCT. LETS GO…..

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      I rather have Gorges with Subban and Weber with Gill as Hal shouldn´t be getting too much ice time (depending on how much we´re shorthanded of course). I agree with the rest. The problem with Spacek: Yes, as our dman nr. 7 he might still be okay but we all know how crazy JM is about older players. He´d sooner or later play Spacek instead of Weber or even Emelin…

  46. joeybarrie says:

    Explain to me how I have rose coloured glasses on, when it took Boston 3 overtime wins and 4 overtime rounds to beat us in the playoffs….
    Do you think maybe the rose coloured glasses go both ways?
    While I agree we probably didnt have the grit to go 4 rounds, we lost by the skin of our teeth. And as Boston hit a stride in the playoffs is it unthinkable for the Habs to have been able to do so.
    The team we were afraid of the most lost 4 games straight to the team we took to 5 games…
    One bad bounce for the Bruins in any one of 4 games and their out the first round. One more lucky bounce for the Habs and same thing.
    So I am not so easily convinced of how bad our team is considering what we have done in the last 2-4 years.
    Not so easily convinced with what i see for this season.
    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • shiram says:

      My take on it is this : the habs were one goal away from beating Boston. If they had scored that goal, it guarentees nothing, maybe the next team would have taken the Habs in 4.

      So yea we battled the Bruins hard, as we did all season long, but based on that one goal differential, you cannot speculate how well the Habs would have fared afterwards.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • joeybarrie says:

        Wasnt speculating. Cause you are right. Some argue that it was because they didnt have Chara.
        We didn’t have Markov or Gorges.
        The post was in reference to someone saying the Habs Defense was ‘NOT GOOD”.
        No speculation. Going 7 games in 2 seasons with arguably the three best teams at the time and winning 2 on them.
        Its all about going forward. And we have the tools to compete.
        Its just astonishing to me that the doom and gloom crew keep pushing this team down, when they are doing very well.
        Agreed, we are not a clinch for the Finals every season. But then again, what team is?
        I choose to be happy about our potential instead of comparing what COULD have happened if we had of made this trade, not made this trade or kept this player…
        About 90% of the posts I remember are about what could be if we had of done this…. My posts in defense are based on what we DID do with what we had, with the only exception being the injured.
        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • shiram says:

          Sorry I might have misphrased it, but I did not mean specifically that you were speculating, but mostly trying to say that even giving that one goal to go over the Bruins, no one can say for sure what happens afterwards.

          I like the Habs, and their players, and I don’t usually fit in with the doom and gloom crew, I think we have alot of key pieces, and alot that are growing into their roles. I can’t say I think the Habs will win a cup next season, but in 1 or 2 season, they could definately be top contenders, and in the meantime we have playoffs runs so the kids can gain experience.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  47. HardHabits says:

    In case anybody hasn’t noticed here’s Bugsy’s man-crush time line:

    Kovalev –> Pouliot –> Weber

    I fear Weber is doomed.

    • Bugs says:

      Sadly, I have to add that you forgot Huey and O’B.
      But Le Priceberg, Soobie and Dezzy are doin ok, no?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HardHabits says:

        Liking Price and Soobie is not rocket surgery. I am with you on Dezzie though.

        ‘Sides. I am just messing with you. I was on team Kovalev for Kaptain a few years ago. And I still think Poo-Poo has an upside.

        I just can’t understand your undeniable love for Weber over Yemelin.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          “rocket surgery”… nice HH, that’s a new one.

        • shiram says:

          I think I’m with Bugs on this one, but with this caveat : Emelin has the potential to be exactly what we need, a good physical d, that can win battles along the board etc…
          But that potential is just that now, not realized.
          Weber looked great in the playoffs, and showed versatility, he played good at forward, and did good on D as well.

          Still, you have to give Emelin some ice time so he can acclimate himself to North American ice, and I would not mind if Spatcho sits some games to let the kids play. Spatcho could be usefull, but not if we overplay him, so that all makes sense to me.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • G-Man says:

          Pou-pou’s upside is the one pointed at the ceiling as he’s lying on the ice.

    • 123456 says:

      Bugs has a crush on Boone too and I think Boone is doing just fine. . . so not all misses.

  48. gerrybell says:

    maybe its best “on paper” the habs dont have much in the minors. whenever a player has some success or is a high draft pick, there is always way too much pressure on the guy when he gets called up to score 50 goals immediately. the only way the habs can make a superstar in the last 15 years is to have them come up ‘under the radar.’ pleks, markov and even riberio (i know) all played minor roles with the team for a while before they became good point players. let’s not forget about Lats, max pac (first two years) and a host of others.

    g
    b

  49. HabinBurlington says:

    The beauty of this DMan issue we are discussing/theorizing/arguing/analyzing is that it is a result of perceived depth at this position. The fact we are also able to do similar discussions as to who will be top 6 winger AK or MaxPac instead of Darche or Moen is another good sign.

  50. bwoar says:

    Pronman is the Arpon Basu of prospect analysis. Not particularly credentialed, average writing that speaks more from feeling than analysis. Which isn’t to say bad, or poor, or even wrong, though both do tend to go way too far down the road of opinion without backing it up. It’s just that both lack the weight of someone giving a transparently objective analysis. For Basu that comes across as stating a fan’s opinion a lot of the time, but in Cory Pronman’s role it means using boilerplate phrases to describe subjective judgements.

    I’ve seen Pronman react badly when someone comments vehemently against his analysis and to me that’s an important measure of his cred. Dealing with criticism as though it’s a bag of dog-doo thrown at your house reveals just how confident a writer is about what they’ve written… I can’t say he’s wrong about prospects I haven’t seen, but I do take his words with a large grain of salt.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I agree 100%. This Pronman character should be given as much credit as you or I after reading a few projection magazines and rearranging the words and putting back down on paper.

      Has he seen all these players play live and up close?

      A journalist should report on a story by interviewing experts in a certain area and report on what they say and site his sources in the article.

      His opinion means absolutely nothing. If he were to say that he gathered all this information and put it together as a reference guide that would be fine. But to pass his opinions off as fact is just stupid.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hobie I think you and I need to find this Pronman character and have a little sit down with him….

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Take James Duthie on TSN for example. He never played or had anything to do with the NHL. So he isn’t about to go on television and tell people what is what.

          Duthie is surrounded by experts from the game and he asks the questions and brings up topics for discussion.

          Daren Dreger is another example. He will report on contract issues and off ice developments but he isn’t going to start telling people what makes a good hockey player without mentioning what coach or real NHL scout gave him that information.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        You’ve been passing your opinion about what is wrong with the Habs as fact since you showed up, just saying.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Yes I have Serious. Just like everyone else here does. But I’m not about to claim that it is fact!!! There is a huge difference.

          I am a Habs fan with an opinion.

          I guess you don’t know the ethics of journalism and reporting information?

          You have to site your sources or identify an article as an opinion piece coming from an average Joe.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I think it is a very serious charge to level to say that Corey Pronman is behaving in unprofessional conduct based on nothing more than your opinion, when what he writes is apparently good enough to be of interest to a publication such as Future Considerations and scouts at McKeen’s Hockey plus writers for Hockey’s Future and The Hockey News.

            Pronman is a scout so he is his own source, which is how he develops his evaluations.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          What team does he scout for? When he walks into a junior hockey rink and signs in what team does he list as the team he is scouting for?

          When he hands out his business card what NHL logo appears on it?

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            You do know there are scouts that work outside the NHL teams, right? Do you think all scouts of worth just pop into existence when an NHL team needs one?

            Plenty of scouts work outside the NHL umbrella, doesn’t mean they’re bad at their jobs either. Like the league, only so many jobs available. Sometimes they get hired by NHL teams to scout as well, they work as independents or for hockey publications.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Yes i do and that’s exactly what I was saying earlier. He is no different than you and I walking into a junior hockey rink and stating we’re scouts. The guy is nothing…

            If i create a website tonight and give my opinion on what line Leblanc will play on in 2 years does that make me a scout?

            Give me a break Serious…

    • twilighthours says:

      Totally agree with your Arpon Basu take. I’d only add: he’s ridiculously long-winded. I rarely finish one of his articles. The difference between semi-professional bloggers like him and true writers like Stubbs is immeasurable.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        You have to give Basu a little more credit than that. The guy is at least in the building and dressing for every home game. He has close contact with the players and the organization.

        A lot of the stuff he writes is about the feeling he gets from actually interviewing real players and hockey people.

        He’s not just recycling old news and spitting it out as his own like many others.

        Some of these other bloggers are never in the building or at practice and don’t use direct quotes.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I agree it’s totally different. Stubbs basically reports and does interviews, while Basu offers a lot of analysis and opinion, and I think he’s willing to present it as one guy’s opinion and not hockey gospel. He’s pretty well my favourite blogger just because he does that and gets me thinking. To each his own.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I personally don’t get any comparison between Basu and Pronman as they do different things.

  51. RobertAlanFord says:

    Dont agree with Engel saying that its up to Weber or Diaz to push out Spacek. I would say its up to Spacek to push people out and I dont think Diaz is one of them. Diaz will be the first Dman to be called up if (knock on wood) someone goes down.

    I also dont agree with his pairings but everyone has their own ideas and at the end of the day its only JM’s that counts so I’ll leave it alone………for now.

    “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

    • Bugs says:

      Engel is wrong to pencil in Emelin over Weber for the SAME reason he’s right that it’s up to Weber or Diaz to push Spacek out.
      Hierarchy. Those who’ve paid their dues get first dibs.
      Spacek gets first dibs.
      Then Weber.
      Then Emelin-Diaz.
      And that’s it.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        How did Emelin not pay dues? he was an 18yr old playing in a PRO league.. he made U-18 and U-20 Russian Natonal team, and is still making the mens national team.. he has paid dues and Playing for the habs isnt like working for Post Canada where seniority makes all the difference, in that regard put Spacek on the First pairing..he’s paid dues… more dues then subban,georges.. its a matter of who plays better and who brings better skills to the team that compliment the team… Weber can shoot, so can emelin.. Emelin can hitt like a champ, Weber cant.. Emelin has like 7 yrs experience playing against adults.. Diaz wont make the team, he has not paid his dues
        Go Habs Go

        • DearyLeary says:

          In the end the KHL is the KHL, and the NHL is the NHL.

          The AHL also has its place, and Emelin hasn’t been working in the Canadiens system, hasn’t been working on North American ice, and hasn’t shown any degree of loyalty to the organization. He’s got to earn his bones.

          He may well do so in training camp/pre-season, but that’s yet to be seen.

        • Bugs says:

          If by “pro”, you mean Russian Garage League, ok. His “experience” comes from playing against “adults”…who aren’t good enough to play here.
          Vyacheslav Buravchikov also made the u20. So did Kirill Lyamin. And Nikita Nikitin. And Denis Bodrov..; see where I’m goin with this? If I’d heard of ANY of those other guys, I might allow myself to be convinced of the strength of such evidence supporting Emelin’s supposed superiority over Weber…who ALSO made his national team btw.
          Emelin’s paid NO dues, Dorvie. None. When he steps on our ice, he will then BEGIN to start paying his dues.
          I want to SEE what he can do in the NHL before believing he can do it better than Weber. No evidence; no case. That’s it.
          In fact, I’m having trouble understanding why this appears to be such an incendiary concept over here…

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            i understand what you mean, but KHL is a legitimate hockey league, ask NHL player or gm. they dont laugh at the KHL, they manage to grab NHL players and have healthy competition.. its NOT at an equal level to the NHL but it is not below AHL, hell by your logic a 1st overall draft pick should be playing junior before making the jump.. KHL is definately not garage or poor. and merely playing in NA doesnt automatically make you better. lets say Emelin played in the AHL but came with the same hype im sure you would be singing a different tune. the problem is the fact you dismiss them basically for not playing in NA.
            Go Habs Go

          • Bugs says:

            You had me up until the “according to my logic” bit where you said somethin completely off-track I don’t remember ever thinking, let alone saying.
            So I’m out.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            I would reply precisely to what but reply button gone

            i infer the statement by you saying dues have to be paid before you assume the best in them.. Malkin coming to this league paid about as many dues as emelin. both were considered “best player not playing in the NHL” , technically malkin didnt pay dues.. he had no right to a roster spot given his previous performances.
            Go Habs Go

          • Bugs says:

            Great. If we had picked Emelin 1st overall too, I’m sure I’d be much more accommodating first of all, and much more inclined to believe he wouldn’t’ve spent half a dozen years in the KHL in the second place.
            But more importantly, may I suggest you refrain from trying to perceive what my “logic” is? Because it’s twice today you’ve failed miserably at it and offended me in the process.
            Thanks.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            How do i offend? i take what you say and come to my own conclusions, i havent name called or questioned your logic. you say he has to pay dues, i say he did. i take what you say apply it to different scenarios.. you say KHL is garbage, i disagreed.. different opinions is no need to take offense.

            Go Habs Go

      • RobertAlanFord says:

        Spacek, Emelin, and Weber are sharing/rotating the bottom two spots. Diaz is Hamilton bound unless he proves otherwise in training camp. I say it wont take long before Spacek starts slipping. We all saw the horrible defensive plays he made last year and dont think for a second JM didnt either cause he didnt have a broadcast view. Spacek will have to prove he’s still up to the task as much as Weber and Emelin have to prove they’re NHL ready and capable. Emelin more so and he will need a couple of months to fully adjust.

        “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

      • avatar_58 says:

        I understand the sentiment but I’d prefer a coach with balls that isn’t afraid to bench a vet for not playing up to par. Just because you’ve been around the league a few years doesn’t automatically entitle you to a spot.

        Would you rather win or respect your elders?

        • RobertAlanFord says:

          Exactly!!

          “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

        • dorvalhabsfan says:

          Hence the Post Canada reference.. Bugs has to get off the NA>>>Euro high horse and tlking about paying dues. sounds like Mike Richards..

          Go Habs Go

          • Bugs says:

            Total fabrication.
            Never said anything about NA vs Euro.
            You’re either a liar or your comprehension skills are for sh*te. Which is it?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Bugs says:

          I’m not judging it; I’m just saying that’s how it is.
          If Spacek slips, no doubt he’ll slide down.
          Until he DOES slip, he won’t.
          And that’s it. That’s the law; I didn’t make it up.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            then why do we still have gomez :P

          • Bugs says:

            Because no one else would take him at the deadline, and it would’ve had psychological repercussions in the room if he had been sent down last-third of the season.
            I reckon he has a month’s grace start of this season. If he ain’t doin squat and Dezzy’s rackin’em up, it’ll be the ole’ switcheroo.
            And it’ll be Eller’s turn to start breathin down his neck.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Until he slips? Spacek has slipped so many times it’s embarassing. If it weren’t for Price bailing his slow ass his +/- would show the truth. He’s not scoring so his “offensive upside” is null and void. Which leaves his argueably slow defensive side.

            Or we could go with Weber/Yemelin who, while not being perfect, are young enough to learn and adjust – and skate like they aren’t 100 years old.

            No offence to Spacek, he’s had a decent career but he’s not what I want on this team.

      • Mats Naslund says:

        What “dues” did PK Subban pay to get his spot? Are we really following the Mike Richards approach to talent evaluation now? Yemelin will be slotted ahead of both Weber and Spacek because the Habs know full well what they are getting. Just because he’s unknown to some at H/IO doesn’t mean they haven’t scouted his game to death. He’ll need to adjust to the new game but there is no chance that any crazy notion of “dues” plays into his spot on the roster.

  52. centre hice says:

    Here’s a question: Assuming the top 4 is Markov, Gorges, Subban, and Gill.

    What’s better?

    An offensive puck moving tandem, Markov – Subban, with a shutdown duo, Gill – Gorges.

    Or a puck mover with defensive guy, Markov – Gorges, Gill – Subban.

    I think JM prefers the latter.

    • bwoar says:

      Gill/Gorges should be a bottom pairing. This talk of Gorges playing top line minutes is depressing and only possible because we lack a guy of Komisarek’s size to play with Markov.

      There’s no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Markov/Subban for 25 minutes a game would give the opposing forwards fits. Play them against the top lines and let’s see which side the dump-and-chase B’s (for instance) lose the puck on more often.

      Not only would that give us an undeniable edge on D, but the team’s best PK duo would stay more fresh at need.

      The question then is the 2nd pair. Spacek is adequate in that role. Yemelin probably. Weber maybe. Diaz the wild card. But to me this is the no-brainer. We’ve got a terrific top pair and a terrific bottom pair, we just need to fill that middle pair with the right guys.

    • 123456 says:

      agree on what we think martin will do.

      i do like bwoar’s idea of markov and subban giving other team fits… but every shift each will take a hit or two whjile other teams dump the puck in. i’d rather gill, georges, spak be taking these hit than markov and subban so i cay split them up

  53. DearyLeary says:

    I looked over Pronman’s methodology, and I find it to be very shallow. He’s building his model of upside almost completely around the Corsi rating, which is still a very ambiguous stat.

    On top of that it seems that he’s trying to quantify player performances almost entirely through advanced statistics. Since it’s being hosted by the same site as Baseball Prospectus, I’m guessing that Pronman’s trying to create the same kind of paradigm for hockey, and it just doesn’t work.

    I don’t agree with his thesis as to the value of players, and I therefore disagree with his rankings.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      The biggest contradiction is Tinodi, Remeber TSN’s rankings one year after the draft? Tinordi was placed 8th.. enough said

      Go Habs Go

      • Talik Sanis says:

        Yeah, and that ranking was done by Craig Button, a man with well known biases regarding the Tinordi family.

        Pronman has merely expressed an opposing opinion to that of Button (I assume that is what you meant). We see two independent views on the same prospect, which are in disagreement, in part, due to Button’s association with Tinordi.

      • RobertAlanFord says:

        I remember looking at Tinordi’s numbers halfway through the season and was NOT impressed. Checked again post season and it looked like he picked up his game quite a bit.

        Truth is big guys take longer to develop and get up to speed. It depends on how dedicated he is to making the NHL. I think Hal Gill would be an excellent mentor in this case. We’ll have to wait and see what kind of season he has next year before calling him out or the decision to pick him out.

        Personally, my first choice for Dman in the same draft was Dylan McIlrath. I still have a hope that the Habs will trade for him. That guy wants to be a Hab.

        “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

      • DearyLeary says:

        Well, to be fair I think that Button’s analysis was a little hyperbolic. On the other hand there were a lot of positive reports on Tinordi’s second half, and the Hunters are hoping to be leaning on him heavily next season.

        So I don’t know where this ‘no positive reports’ came from.

        The other problem I have is that one guy is trying to synthesize date on all the prospects in NHL systems. It’s a monumental task, and I think that’s why he’s trying to lean on statistics. Anyone familiar with the game knows that this is a flawed way to look at it.

        Case in point, Steve Downie had a respectable relative Corsi rating of 25, while Steven Stamkos had a 3.2.

        You just can’t quantify players with statistics like this and +/- anymore, it just doesn’t work; and Pronman’s central thesis to his rankings is that statistics can accurately map out a player’s progression and upside.

  54. twilighthours says:

    I’m with Bugs – Weber should get the nod over Emelin, at least to start the season. The kid was pretty good for most of last year, and he’s done everything the team has asked of him. I’d rather see him in than Spacek, too. Better to have a kid making mistakes and learning than a geezer making mistakes and just making mistakes.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      Im not, but only because of an misguided notion that if its not north american its not good.. KHL is legit.. Emelin is Legitimate as well.. he wont be top 2 prolly start out bottom pairing, and hopefully work his way up. i see him phasing out Spacek, or even just replacing spacek.. I would imagine Emelins competetive advantage over Weber has nothing to do with skill or smarts, merely willingness and success in taking the man. Best of luck to Emelin and Weber though. I hope they excel obviously (who here doesnt) but hockey is INTERNATIONAL and i cant see the transition being too much of a problem.. they have been doing it their whole life.

      Go Habs Go

    • HabFab says:

      Weber like Yemelin and Diaz have to make the team. Best player wins. The other five are a given for the time being unless all of these three are outstanding and take Spacek’s job.

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        Diaz wont make the team, ill bet my car on that, its emelin and weber for 6th and 7th spot imo unless someone totally kills training camp.. its more a matter of how many minutes will they get this year

        Go Habs Go

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Just to help put this in perspective, what kind of car are you driving these days?

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            lol a 6 cylinder flluy loaded accord :) 2000 and i just banished all the rust
            Go Habs Go

        • HabFab says:

          Swiss hockey people are saying that Diaz is way ahead of Weber in his development (given that Diaz is 3 years older). And Diaz certainly out played him at the WC BUT agree that that means nothing until training camp starts. It may end up being Weber in Hamilton so I hope you repainted after your rust job. ;)

    • lukas-joshua says:

      People were saying that Yemelin was the best D Man not playing in the NHL last year.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      Not going to happen re Yemelin. Yemelin’s skill set is far superior to Weber. Not to bash Weber because I’d like to see the two of them paired together – but they didn’t bring Yemelin over to fight it out for a bottom pair role. He’s going to be given every chance to succeed. That’s how hockey works. All prospects aren’t created equal.

  55. joeybarrie says:

    Whats up with everyone bashing JM saying he doesnt want to play Weber…???
    Weber played 16+ minutes a game for half the season at 22… With Wiz, PK, Gill, Hamr all on the top 4…
    McDonaugh played 40 games and less than 2 minutes per game more for the Rags.
    I dont see any issue here.
    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • V says:

      I don’t really see an issue either. There must be good reasons to play Webber as he is played, otherwise JM would use him differently.

      I think using veterans to alleviate pressure on emerging young players until they can handle it is a great way to develop them.

  56. rdiddy says:

    from ESPN insider:

    Isles’ plan-9:25AM ET

    The New York Islanders aren’t done dealing yet, apparently.
    Fire&Ice’s Chris Botta claims the Trent Hunter/Brian Rolston deal was just the appetizer served up by general manager Garth Snow:
    “Source tells SNY Point Blank that Rolston was in fact a prelude to another move and #Isles are working on next trade.”
    And Botta insists the next deal will be “bigger”.
    Another move would make sense since the Isles remain nearly $6 million below the salary floor. Even if they come to terms with Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey — as expected — it will be tight. And the potential signing of Alexei Yashin isn’t the be-all-end-all solution.

    ———————–

    Think we could ship off Gomez + draft pick for Bailey?

    • arya13 says:

      Here’s to dreaming! Although I can’t see the Isles rationally wanting to acquire a castoff from one of their divisional rivals and a Stanley cup winner from another.

      Then again, rational thinking and the Isles does not really go together.

      MaxPac will raise 2 Stanley Cups in his career to show Chara that his is worth nothing.

    • Cardiac says:

      Will the honor the last year in his previous contract or sign him to a new one?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Take this as you may. But I’ve heard from a rumor guy (not Eklund)
      that Gomez refused a trade to the Isles on draft day. Not sure if it’s true or not just thought I’d share.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • rdiddy says:

        He has a modified NTC so he can list 3 teams that he would NOT want to be traded to. Since he already played in NJ and NYR I wouldn’t think he would refuse a trade to NYI. Although they are a joke of a franchise, so most players SHOULD refuse them.

  57. HabFanSince72 says:

    Objectively, our D is not better than last year and our D last year was not good.

    Why couldn’t we have kept Wiz and traded Spacek to the Isles? We’d still be well under the cap.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Objectively, you feel the combo of Wiz, Hamrlik and Sopel is better than Markov, Gorges, and Emelin?

      • habs03 says:

        Plus, I don’t resigning Wiz really improve your defense ;)

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I’m not at all certain Markov will play the whole season. He didn’t injure his knee just once. He injured it twice following very minor contact. So although he is clearly better than Wiz, when you factor in the probabilities of playing the whole season, then his expected value (for you economics fans) is not greater than the Wiz’s.

        Gorges is not better than Hamrlik.

        Sopel was just replacing Spacek. Spacek2011 is worse than Spacek2010.

        Sonoverall maybe not worse but not clearly better. If Marky stays healthy and Emelin is as good as we hope and Weber emerges as a bonafide NHLer, then yes we are better.

        • habs03 says:

          “when you factor in the probabilities of playing the whole season, then his expected value (for you economics fans) is not greater than the Wiz’s.”
          Wiz had three ACL/MCL injuries to his the same knee just a few season ago…The probability of Markov playing full season is equal to Wiz, I would even argue that it is greater, Wiz plays a more physical game that might lead to more injuries.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Disagree. Wiz has shown he is fully recovered from his injury. With Markov we will only know this winter.

        • HabFab says:

          Sopel replaced Gorges not Spacek.

    • toinz says:

      because 5.5 million a year to Wisniewski is even more overpaid than 3.8 million a year to spacek

      • shiram says:

        He could have wanted more since it’s MTL too… who knows?
        And who’s to say the Isles are interested in Spatcho too?
        Speculating.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • arya13 says:

          That would be a good one. I’d bring in Mara in his place. Give you another 1.5M in cap space. Hell by trade deadline, you could load the team for a playoff run with that.

          MaxPac will raise 2 Stanley Cups in his career to show Chara that his is worth nothing.

    • punkster says:

      Subjectively. Certainly not objectively.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Cardiac says:

      You would seriously pay Wisniewski 5.5 million? Yes he had a career year in point, but he was also -14…

      Btw, this year we will have Markov and Gorges … I’d say that’s a step up from Mara and Sopel …

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • HardHabits says:

        That is so disingenuous. Wisniewski was -18 with the Islanders and +4 with the Habs. Larry Robinson would have been a minus player on that Islanders team.

        I liked Wisniewski’s game and his physicality. He wasn’t an adventure in his own zone like MAB was and he had moves to go along with slap shot.

        Is he worth 5.5M for 6 years? I’d say that’s pricey but what isn’t these days.

        • punkster says:

          Halak…but he could never hold a candle to Pricey in the long term ;)

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Cardiac says:

          True on the Islanders…

          However, for 5.5 million, I’m looking for a Seabrook or a Keith or a Visnovsky… Not another Gonchar or Green.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

    • joeybarrie says:

      Wait. You really feel our D was not good last year?
      We were 8th in goals against in the league.
      We took the current Cup Chumps to overtime in game 7 and still ended the season pretty well despite losing 2 top 4 D on a offensively challenged team.
      Ended in the top 7 in PK which relies heavily on D…
      Also… PK Subban, Markov, Gorges, Gill, and you think our defense is worse than not good???
      So if our team is not good at offense and not good at defense, how did we make the playoffs??????
      Objectively, do you think JM simply didn’t try to trade Spach, and then some, to keep the Wiz???
      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        This “we took the champs to 7 games” has to end. We snuck two quick wins while Chara was ill. After that they won 4 of 5. And if we had beaten them we did not have a team that could go all the way. Not remotely. We had a bottom 6 that could not score. We had Moen on the 2nd line while Boston had Ryder and Seguin on their 3rd line. And do you think Hamr and Spatch could have played 23 min per game every other day until mid-June?

        Folks, we were not the 2nd best team in the playoffs last year.

        • punkster says:

          Maybe not…but we still took the champs to 7 games. No denying that fact, no matter how you spin it either way. 7 games. Make excuses, put on rose coloured glasses, view it negatively, see it realistically, live in fantasy land…it was still 7 games.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HardHabits says:

            It used to be fans rioted when the Habs won a Stanley Cup. Then they rioted when the Habs made it to the 2nd round.

            So what’s next? Are they now going to riot when they lose round 1 to the Bruins in 7 games.

            Woohoo!

          • punkster says:

            I’m thinking at this rate we’ll see a riot if we win out home opener.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HardHabits says:

            Pre-season?

        • joeybarrie says:

          I dont understand this SNUCK 2 wins thing….
          Last season we snuck a few to beat the caps, and then the Pens and now the Bruins… Do you think maybe we are not sneaking these wins, but people just do not have faith in this team???
          What was our record against the Bruins all season???? I guess we have been sneaking wins against them for 5 years now… Are we ever lucky.

          There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

          • HardHabits says:

            Making a fuss about the Habs regular season record is pointless. The Habs lost the games that mattered, the ones at the end of the season when 1st in the NE Division was attainable and 4 of 7 games in round 1.

            What many of the bleu-blanc-rouge lens wearers refuse to admit is that it takes 4 rounds of hockey to win a Stanley Cup. A team that limps into the play-offs as the Habs have done the past few seasons will not have the ability to go deep.

        • G-Man says:

          Yet, the Habs are nowhere near as bad as you make them out to be.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          I wonder why in your mind, the Bruins are allowed to use the “Chara was sick” excuse for games 1 and 2, but the Habs aren’t allowed to use the “Markov, Gorges, & Pacioretty were sick” for the whole series excuse.

          And no I don’t think that the Habs were the 2nd best team in the playoffs, and no I don’t think we would have won the cup if we had won game 7.

          But IMO, you’re short changing Montreal and it’s defense.

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            +1

            I was already composing a similar response while I was scrolling down. You, sir, have just increased my productivity at work.

            Since we are not allowed to use injuries as an excuse for not finishing higher in the regular season (or going deeper in the playoffs), than there is also no validity in allowing an illness to the opposition to be an excuse for the Habs winning two games in the playoffs.

            If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, then…. wait how does that go again? – Homer Simpson

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    Dman Pairings – There is a thing called Training Camp and Exhibition Games coming up. JM/PG will get to watch how all the dman are playing and specifically see how Emelin is adapting to the NHL style of play and rink size.

    If this guy is adapting as quickly as they hope, the team needs to find a way to include him in lineup because he will be our most abrasive Dman on the team.

    Lets at least let JM make his pairings!

    • Bugs says:

      Ah, THIS I can get behind. If Emelin is clearly superior, then he should be assigned a roster-position, absolutely.
      But just arbitrarily penciling him in over Weber, already adhering to the notion that a guy who’s never played in the NHL is better than Weber as a fait accompli, that rubs me the wrong way.
      Because no matter what any of us think we know about this guy, NONE of us have seen him play in the NHL. He has never. Set. Foot. On NHL ice.
      For all we know, he’s Alexandre Daigle. So let’s watch him play before buying him a house, aw’ight?
      This flying off the handle stuff, it’s gotta stop. Let’s have some EVIDENCE first. And uhh, the Russian Garage League doesn’t have any to give us. Unless we all agree that Chris Simon is an ALL-STAR of course…

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        And if Whitey pots 10 in the pre-season, should they put him on the 1st line?

      • punkster says:

        Bugs, this is the place where people arbitrarily pencilled in a guy named Jagr for a number of weeks. And another guy named Konopka. Arbitrary is a way of life here though I certainly agree with you. Any new team member better darn well show his stuff in training and pre-season or I’ll be there with you in the front row throwing stuff, empty beer cans and rotten tomatoes and the like.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Bugs says:

          How you gonna get empty beer cans in at the Bell?
          Or do you mean, what, on the street?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • punkster says:

            I can tell you’re a details kind of guy. First we buy them. Then we drink them. Then we toss them. What did I miss?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Bugs says:

            Can’t bring cans into the Bell.
            You’re gonna have to toss’em at your victims in the street if that’s what you wanna toss.
            A rotten tomato, you can at least squish that down your shorts to avoid detection, then later scoop it out when you wanna toss it.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • punkster says:

            Hmmm…may have to alter my plans. Cabbages? Maybe a good sized, overripe cabbage or two?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Bugs says:

            Definitely gonna need bigger shorts then.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Chris says:

        Bugs, we do this all the time with NHL players.

        Pavel Datsyuk, Alexander Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, etc. all came over from that “garage league” and put up decent (Datsyuk) to great performances right out of the gate in the NHL. Why? Because they were outstanding talents who happened to be stuck in a league that didn’t live up to their talent and/or style of play.

        You could also look at the Swedish Elite League, that has churned out guys like Franzen and Holmstrom in their mid-20’s directly into the starting lineup in the NHL. Or a guy like Brian Rafalski, who was able to jump straight from the Finnish League to the New Jersey Devils as a 26 year old.

        I really like Weber. I saw him quite a bit in the OHL, and I think he is an underappreciated talent. But Emelin’s supposed skillset represents something the Habs have more need of: a mobile and physical, stay-at-home defenceman. I think he will be given every opportunity to earn a spot on the blue-line because the Habs need a player like him. The fact that he is a couple of years older and has played professionally against men since he was 18 works in his favour a little, as the adjustment should be smaller. The tantalizing thing with Emelin has always been that his physical style of play has always been far more suited to the smaller confines of NHL ice. Now we’ll get to see if the reality matches the expectations and promise.

        It is the same reason kids like Guillaume Latendresse or Max Pacioretty and now Lars Eller were given early opportunities (perhaps too early) to make the team, while a kid like David Desharnais has had to work his tail off to get a shot. They simply were perceived as better fits for a role that was needed (big bodies, potential to score goals). Similarly, Carey Price was given the opportunity to leap-frog Jaroslav Halak in the system despite Halak having done extraordinarily well in every role he was asked to fill. Sometimes it has worked out, other times not so much.

        There is no question in my mind that Weber might be more deserving based on his experience, but the NHL is far from fair. Teams have specific roles in mind, and if you don’t fit that role, you might get passed over by a lesser talent who fits the required role better. Why else would a guy like Martin St. Louis not get a shot at sticking in the NHL until he was 24, passed over by the Flames for guys like David Roche, Clark Wilm, Hnat Domenichelli or Jason Wiemer?

        In my dreamworld, Emelin and Weber start the year off together on the third pairing. Emelin can focus on defensive coverage and leave the puck-carrying to Weber. This is a win-win: Emelin gets into trouble when he’s asked to do too much with the puck, while Weber gets into trouble defensively.

        • avatar_58 says:

          Except they still have Spacek and re-signed Gorges, Gill and Markov. There’s no room for both.

          • Chris says:

            Spacek could very well end up as the 7th defenceman. The Habs used a veteran Patrice Brisebois in that role a couple of years ago.

            Martin likes his veterans, but he’s also not blind…I think he recognizes that Spacek’s lack of foot-speed is increasingly becoming an issue as he ages.

        • Bugs says:

          Oooh, Emelin is like Ovy and Ilya and Datsyuk? Wow. Ok, then. Forget I said anything.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Chris says:

            Really, Bugs? That’s the reply you are going with? You’re far better than that drivel.

            Tell me…did you know who Pavel Datsyuk was before he came to the NHL? Because if you did, you would probably have been one of the few. Be honest here.

            Kovalchuk and Ovechkin were superstars coming in because of their high draft ranking. But they honed their craft in a garage league and saw their numbers GO UP when they came to the NHL. This is not in any way implying that the KHL/RSL was better than the NHL, just that their talents fit the NHL style of play far, far better.

            Even when you factor in the can’t miss prospects like Ovechkin or Kovalchuk, teams have rolled the dice on guys like Johan Franzen or Tomas Holmstrom or Jussi Jokinen or Johnny Oduya.

            These guys earned their chops in professional leagues that are basically on par with the AHL, if not a bit higher. They aren’t coming over to sit on the bench for 60 games, and the team knows it. That is why they sometimes get the benefit of the doubt.

          • Bugs says:

            No, I got it. No one heard of Datsyuk and he’s great so that means that since more folks have heard of Emelin, he’ll be even greater.
            Emelin’s has been honing his craft in a garage league just like Ovy did and Datsyuk did, so that means his numbers will also go up just like theirs did. I totally understand.
            The NHL is more suited for superstars like Ovy and Datsyuk, so that means it will ALSO be more suited to Emelin. Of course.
            And we can’t lose tossin out Weber to make way for him because no matter what, he’s a “roll of the dice”, so it’s ok to do that. Yeah, I see that now.
            And unlike the AHL, especially AHL team(s) affiliated to us, the KHL (which is just as strong, maybe a little stronger according to NO evidence whatsoever) and its players deserve the benefit of the doubt even if they’ve never played here because they could be just as good as Ovy and Datsyuk.
            It’s all clear to me now.
            Thanks, Chris. Apologies for the earlier drivel.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Chris says:

            You will notice the part where I said the NHL isn’t fair.

            You will also notice the part where I said that it sometimes works (giving examples) and often doesn’t.

            You will even notice the part where I said that I believe BOTH Emelin and Weber should be given every shot to play in the NHL this season.

            You will NOT notice the part where I said a lot of the things you imply that I did say. Those are your attempts by you to use comments out of context, if not making outright fabrications (such as where I said Emelin is going to be better than Datsyuk because more people have heard ofhim), to discredit my point. For a guy who is so skilled with language, and you are, you are being disingenuous and arguing rather poorly.

            It’s a rather silly discussion, because there is no guarantee that either guy will make the team. For all we know, they could both stink out the joint in training camp, Emelin goes back to his big money contract in the KHL, Weber toils for another year in the AHL before being cut adrift and the Habs give the reins to Diaz and Spacek.

          • Bugs says:

            I don’t need to notice anything other than what you said, Chris.
            I said and say that Emelin should not be penciled in ahead of Weber because he hasn’t paid his dues in the NHL and Weber has. No matter how long Emelin’s been in it, the KHL is NOT the NHL.
            You came back with – Datsyuk, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, etc. all came over from the KHL and put up decent to great performances right out of the gate in the NHL. Why? Because they were outstanding talents who happened to be stuck in a league that didn’t live up to their talent and/or style of play.
            That’s what you said, Chris. I’m not making anything up. That’s what you countered me with. Please don’t tell me that there an underlying meaning in it that can only be deciphered by a careful examination of everything ELSE you said. Not up to me to “notice”; up to you to SAY it.
            And THAT’S what you said.
            So, if Emelin is like Datsyuk, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, your case holds water.
            If Emelin is NOT like Datsyuk, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, it does NOT. For you would then have to give us example of KHL players at Emelin’s talent level who have crossed over here and been inserted over other established player(s) without paying any dues, and I reckon that might be significantly more difficult to do.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Chris says:

            Again, you are being disingenuous.

            I gave two comparable examples (Johnny Oduya from the Swedish Elite League and Brian Rafalski from the Finnish Elite League) of defencemen who came directly into the NHL from leagues that are very much below the NHL in quality and were roughly at the same stage in their development. You chose to ignore those guys, focussing instead on the superstars. Fair or not? Be honest.

            If you want guys specifically coming over from Russia that were at Yemelin’s level (a 3rd round draft choice, so not exactly a long-shot), it is of course a much more difficult thing to do. The lack of a transfer agreement between the KHL and NHL in recent years has made it very unlikely for Russian players to get drafted and/or come over unless they are practically guaranteed a spot in the lineup. Given all the uncertainty around Yemelin potentially bolting back to the KHL, it is reasonable (if not particularly FAIR) to believe that the Habs have a full-time position for him in mind. Fair or not? Be honest.

            Where you are once again being disingenuous is in interpreting what I said. I used Datsyuk, Ovechkin and Kovalchuk as examples because they came from that league and all saw immediate improvements to their game because the NHL is a more offensive league. This does NOT mean I am equating Yemelin to those three, and you fully know it. What I WAS saying is that sometimes a league is a better fit, even the almighty NHL, than the league the guy is coming from. In the case of Yemelin, he is by all accounts a physical player whose style is not appreciated in Russia and often leads to positioning issues because of the larger ice size. The NHL, which DOES value body-checking for blueliners and features a smaller ice surface that should minimize the positioning gaffes, has widely been reported as a better fit to Yemelin’s game. Fair or not? Be honest.

      • Gerry H says:

        I’m with you on giving Weber his due. He’s looked increasingly comfortable playing 15-18 minutes a game. He’s been largely competent, if invisible, defensively (which is a good thing at this stage of his development). He jumps up nicely and contributes at the other end and can provide a shot on the PP.

        My guess is that Emelin could displace someone by playing a sorta Komisarek-type role. I agree totally, however, that he hasn’t actually demonstrated that ability at the NHL level, yet.

    • shiram says:

      Spatcho as 7th d solves that problem.
      But I fear JM might not feel the same way I do, or that he would play Weber as a forward.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • avatar_58 says:

        I can’t understand why he wasn’t traded for “anything”. The team does not need Spacek. He’s ‘ok’ but he’s no longer nessesary unless the worst happens and Markov goes down in the pre-season

        • shiram says:

          Other teams might feel there are better option at around his cap hit. Maybe they don’t want him, you know like we do.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          I don’t agree exactly. While I am hoping that he becomes #7, we will probably have injuries and need of 7 or 8 guys before the season is done. And I’m tired of renting replacements.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Do you firmly believe Spacek will be more helpful than Diaz, Weber, Yemelin or whatever rental is available at said time? Do you think he’s better than the Wiz? His cap space could have been used to secure him

            I just hate that they signed this guy for so long without thinking ahead.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            @ Avatar

            When I put Spacek at #7, I am assuming that two of Diaz, Weber and Yemelin will be above him. Along with PK on the D, that’s a lot of youth. As for Wiz, I wish we had him rather than Spacek to say nothing of Hammer. But we don’t, so based on what we do have, I’ll stick with my theory. :)

  59. mjames says:

    Any news on Scott Gomez?? What is his upside.?

    mjames

  60. Cardiac says:

    To echo HabinBurlington’s comment, this Pronman guy is a hack. I scoured Google yesterday to find his credentials and found nada!

    He’s an ESPN hockey analyst (right there, the debate is over!) who thinks expansion in the south U.S. is working… Take what he says with a grain of salt people.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

  61. toinz says:

    If the team is likely to make a lengthy playoff run, I dont mind trading picks. After losing a first line winger in Kessel, Chiarelli could have sat back in 2010 and cashed in on his picks, and Toronto’s.

    Instead, he traded a first (15 overall) and Wideman to get Horton while having already traded a 2nd round pick to Florida (36 overall) at the deadline to get Seidenberg. This past year, with the Bruins gearing up for a deep run, he traded his 1st round pick (30 overall) in 2011, the guy he drafted in the first round in 2008 and a 2012 2nd rounder for Kaberle and his 2011 2nd rounder (61 overall) for Kelly.

    Should Boston lose Game 7 to Montreal, Tampa or Vancouver, does Chiarelli go from genius to goat? Did he destroy his team and deplete the bruins farm? No he improved his team when they had a chance to go win the cup?

  62. joeybarrie says:

    As SF09 mentions below its normal to have your cupboard a bit bare after you raid it for a big party…
    -MaxPac 1st or 2nd line prospect
    -PK Top 2 defenseman
    -Weber 3rd-5th defenseman prospect
    -White 3rd line / grinder prospect
    -Price Number one goalie+++ (prospect)
    -Eller 1st or 2nd line prospect
    -Desharnais 3rd or 2nd line prospect

    Also on the top two lines we have Cammi, AK, and Pleks who are all under 30. Gorges (hopefully long term) on Defense.

    Plus Markov, Gio, Cole and Gomez signed for the next 3+ years.

    In Summary:
    8 players who can arguably play on the top two lines
    4 players who can arguably play top 4 defense
    Carey Price
    All this for at least the next 3-4 years, if the GM chooses.
    So giving the current Management 3 years to fill up our cupboard is not a difficult task. And in my opinion we have been getting better at the draft.
    Plus lets also remember we are doing this without a top 10 draft pick in 6 years, and only one top 12 and 18 in those 6 years.
    Im an optimist, I know, but for me the view is pretty good. A top 5 team in the East with a team with enough young components to be so for the next 3-4 years. AND consistently getting better each season.
    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  63. HabsRepresente says:

    what happened to montreal 1rst round pick in 2008?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      It was traded for Tanguay? (I can’t remember exactly)

      • Cardiac says:

        Right you are!

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

        • HabsRepresente says:

          montreal could’ve had a good player in the bag too, instead of getting a separated shoulder 2 months in

          • toinz says:

            Montreal traded a first round pick for a quality NHL player a year before going for the Cup. Other teams do this all the time. This happens every year… Besides, how is Greg Nemisz doing for Calgary?

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            That was actually a good deal at the time. For all Bob knew he was adding a quality scorer to a team that had just won the regular season The disaster that ensued wasn’t Tanguay’s fault.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        That is what puzzles me, they trade a number 1 pick for tangs and say he is young and they want to keep him here. Has an injury plagued season and we could have got him cheap and we just let him walk for nothing. We could have had him for under a couple mill a season. I would rather him on the depth to be brought up to our top 6 than stone hand Moen.

        Not saying he would have produced the same amount in JM;s system but I would bet he would have been in top 2 or 3 in points on the roster

  64. Mattyleg says:

    Lemme just say this before it gets out of hand:
    Eller didn’t come through our system.
    Don’t use him as an example.
    Thank you.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  65. Bugs says:

    Just read Engels’ thing and I’ll say it again: if Weber starts the season on the sidelines while never-played-a-game Emelin gets first dibs, this club is Mickey Mouse.
    I shake my head at anyone aligns our D that way, Engels too.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JayBee says:

      I think Weber should have played all year last year.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      Personally, I’d like to see both of them get every opportunity to play while Spacek occupies the pressbox.

      I’m sure most people here feel that way, but probably the best we can hope for is some kind of rotation btween the 3 of them. Hopefully Weber and Emelin will eventually play well enough that JM can’t scratch either of them.

      • G-Man says:

        Spacek will either get playing time to be traded or will retire after this season. Either way, Weber is going to have a tough time because PG and JM are high on Diaz, too.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          Oh yeah Diaz, I forgot about him. I wonder if he starts the year in Hamilton, or impresses enough to make the big club out of the gates.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Diaz will be in the minors for a year I would imagine. Webber is a good offensive D man and if they don’t give him a shot they should trade him cause he can play at the NHL level.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        We have a lot of question marks on d going in this season, How will markov’s rebuilt knee hold up, how will Yemelin adapt to the north american game, how will Diaz adapt to the game, how will Jorges knee hold up. Hence why they are trying to put some depth in the Defense. The last two seasons we have had major injuries on the back end so they needed to add some depth just in case all of these don’t work out or if we have some injuries. They are trying to stock up

    • G-Man says:

      Weber just ain’t all that good for what the Habs need as a Dman. He’s too small, gets pushed off the puck in the D zone and isn’t nasty a la Kasparaitus. He may be trade bait.
      Emelen is bigger and tougher. Can he play the North American game? It’s about time we find out.

      • Bugs says:

        Ridiculous.
        He’s no smaller than anyone else on the club, he doesn’t get pushed off the puck more than anyone else on the club and isn’t as nasty as Kasparaitus more than anyone else on the club.
        Add to that: he’s intelligent, he’s fearless, he’s excellent on the man-advantage, and he’s proven during crunch-time. All of that in the NHL, that which Emelin has never known.
        …ain’t all that good…
        (scoff!)

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • RetroMikey says:

      I’ve seen Weber play many times in Hamilton and he is at best a 7th DMan in the NHL, if that.
      Emelin is a physical DMan which we need more on this team than a not so big DMAn in Weber, he is so fragile out there playing against the bigger boys.
      This club is Mickey Mouse the way Timmins (he has to go) has drafted players over the years and to be in 24th place does not surprise me one bit.
      Kristo, Leblanc, etc.. will not be solid prospects IMO in the NHL. The team over-hypes our draft picks way too much and we, as Habs fans, believe the team will draft solid NHLers and will turn out well according to what Timmins says.
      Not true at all.
      We need to restructure our scouting department as well. Out with the old and in with the new.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • Bugs says:

        Emelin is “physical” in the KHL.
        In the NHL however (a real league), Weber didn’t look like much of a 7th poppin in goals during crunch-time.
        Weber’s paid his dues; Emelin hasn’t paid nuthin.
        Put Emelin in and leave Weber out and this club is Mickey Mouse.
        And that’s it.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • RetroMikey says:

          As the season progresses, we will be raving Emelin and how much of his physical play brings to us and we’ll all be saying “Yannick who?”

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Just like Fabian Brunstrum was going to come over and light up the league a couple of years ago. No one knows how Yemelin will react in the NHL. I hope he is a great physical D man but from what i have seen on youtube I really haven’t seen to many great hits and I have seen him get tooled a few times as well.

            We have a ton of question marks on D

    • avatar_58 says:

      Well who signed Spacek for 100 years and re-signed Gill? There’s your answer. The habs have too many d-men.

      I mean I like Gill, but I felt his time was over. We need to go younger and more mobile.

      Why is Weber punished for not being perfect yet others are rewarded? I feel sorry for the poor guy

    • HabsRepresente says:

      you want to put in weber over emelin?

    • Ozmodiar says:

      What if, based on camp and pre-season, it’s never-played-a-game-but-clearly-better-than-Weber Emelin? Not sayin’ it will happen, just askin’ ‘what if’.

      • Bugs says:

        Well, “what if” Ryan White pops in 10 goals during pre-season?
        You wanna put’m 1st-line ctr?
        Not sayin it’ll happen; just sayin “what if”.
        Hell, what if the Dalai Lama buys the club? Should all the players wear sashes?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • avatar_58 says:

          One could argue without injuries Weber wouldn’t have made the team at all and would have finished the season in Hamilton. They’d have brought in Yemelin/Emelin (which is it damnit) and they’d be fighting for a spot.

          Should Weber get it automagically because he stepped in for injuries? Regardless of who plays better?

          I say it comes down to how they perform in pre-season. Yemelin/Weber will be the 2 guys fighting for spots.

          Subban, Markov, Gill, Gorges and Spacek (oi vey..) are locks.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          In order of likelihood:
          1) Emelin’s better than Weber
          2) Dalai Lama buys club (of course, they’d wear sashes!)
          3) White scores 10 in the pre-season

          There’s a good chance #1 happens, so worthy of the ‘what if’ question. #3 isn’t.

  66. SeriousFan09 says:

    It would appear that if I can indeed make the Summit, I will have to acquire game tickets independently, still no definitive word from my union rep about if the new CBA at work gets me first-year vacation days and I will not know for at least another week. Guess I will have to be just another face in the crowd at the game if I can make it rather than raising the volume with you guys. Might work something out with my family instead, split the cost of the tickets with them and do what we have not done in nigh on a decade, see a game together.

  67. HabinBurlington says:

    So it looks like HIO decided to stir the proverbial pot today. I admit they used some creativity this time, instead of slapping another picture of a Bruin on the main page they decided to instead regurgitate the bad news of our favourite “CyberScout” Mr. Pronmore. Oh and then just to make sure the pot was boiling over, lets throw in a list of prospects no longer in the system.

    I am dissappointed, couldn’t HIO have also thrown in a list of any player to have ever once been associated with the Canadiens organization that is now somewhere else playing hockey. Even if the list includes guys 45 years old playing in some senior mens beer league over in Austria!

    Don’t worry we will all play along and start grumbling……

  68. SeriousFan09 says:

    Oh hell, Hobie won’t like this, breaking his rules about appropriate content.

    A team’s system is always depleted after you graduate bodies like Desharnais, Pacioretty, Weber and Subban in less than a year. We will simply need to wait on the seasons of our younger picks to get a better sense of how the pipeline is being restocked. At present, Avtsin, Kristo, Leblanc, Gallagher, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Nattinen and others will have to make the strides so they are ready sooner rather than later to assuage the fears of some of how ”empty” the system is. Let us not forget the injection of Eller in to our system either. Team has a good youth core, we are just at an unfortunate gap between generations of Prospects with higher-end upside. Patience!!!

  69. Ian Cobb says:

    We have 56 Summit game tickets spoken for and I have received 12 more for selling 12 pre-season tickets to the Dallas Sept 20th and the Buffalo 21st game. If you want Summit or pre-season game tickets, call me right away please before they are sold to the general public at a hire price. 613-968-9807—Ian

    Nov.18,19,& 20th 2011 Itinerary for our HIO Fan Summit

    Friday evening—Meet and Greet, name tags at Hurley’s pub.

    Saturday–8am Breakfast Chez Cora’s.
    10am Tour Hall of Fame and Bell Center
    Hall of Fame Tour is now included in the price of your tickets.!!!!!!!!!
    3pm Baton Rouge for pre game meal and children’s
    charity raffle.
    7pm Game Hab’s vs Rangers

    After game celebration. the upstairs at Hurley’s pub reserved for us.

    Sunday—-Farewell breakfast and back to the airport for home.

    Hotel rooms– group rate at the Novatel Hotel, info to follow.

  70. Timo says:

    What about another prospect – Scott Gomez. Man, I would so love to answer the question “Scott Gomez, will he be missed?”

    The answer is a resounding yes, but not as much as MAB.

  71. Mats Naslund says:

    Yeah a terrible system which last season produced Pacioretty, weber, desharnais and white as full time NHLers. A terrible problem to have. A terrible system with 22 year olds in the NHL like Eller and PK. I love when they rank prospects and forget about the 6 guys who just became full time NHL players. Stick 3 of those guys in Hamilton and we have the deepest stable of NHL ready guys in the East.

    • Rugger says:

      And if Pouliet is still a prospect, then so is Price and maybe even AK.

    • Chris says:

      It’s a fair comment, but this is an issue for every team. And looking at the guys who came up last season, we have Desharnais (24 years old) or White (23 years old), other teams could have a stacked system too.

      Look at Pittsburgh:

      Kris Letang, Matt Niskanen and Evgeni Malkin are 24.
      James Neal, Sidney Crosby and Dustin Jeffrey are 23.
      Jordan Staal and Eric Tangradi are both 22.

      Or Washington, another team that would finish very low in most organizational rankings for prospects:

      Backstrom, Perreault and Neuvirth are 23.
      Alzner is 22.
      Carlson and Holtby are 21.
      Johansson is 20.

      Tampa Bay’s system becomes a LOT deeper if they get to count Stamkos, Hedman, Tyrell and Tokarski.

      The point of those rankings is to ask whether there is much more help on the way. As you said, Montreal has done a nice job of drafting role players and complimentary players. But the cupboard is now pretty bare for at least a year or two while we wait for Beaulieu and Leblanc, and in the meantime we’ll get to see if the writer is right about Kristo, Avtsin, Gallagher and Tinordi.

      • Mats Naslund says:

        My point wasn’t about other teams who have good young players. The NHL is becoming a young – man’s game. Loads of clubs are using younger, cheaper talent to stay under the salary cap. My point wasn’t that the Habs are the only team with young players – just that the reason the cupboard is “bare” is because all of our prospects graduated last season.

        I find it hard to pretend like Montreal is screwed. The core veterans are locked up long-term. Montreal graduated a wave of young players who all contributed last season. The tone of the Prospects piece makes it seem like Montreal is headed for trouble which couldn’t be further from the truth. The Islanders are the second rated system in the league? What a laugh. Detroits system is stacked only due to the fact that they have the oldest team in recorded history. Retirements will happen and they’ll be in the same spot as Montreal in 2 years. Will they all of a sudden have a bad system?

  72. Rugger says:

    Seriously Boone, are you asking if we will miss the likes of J.T. Wyman, Mathieu Carle, Dustin Boyd etc? You can’t miss what never was.

  73. j0nHABS says:

    If the boys can stay out the long term infirmary then PG probably won’t feel the need to trade off out 2nd rounders. Just keep our picks this year please! We need to stock the cupboards!

    Is it October Yet??

  74. secretdragonfly says:

    Getting an error message on the Eyes on the Prize link, guys.


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