Will Canucks end it?

Vancouver has a chance to punch its ticket for the Stanley Cup final.
And Boston needs one more win.

• Pat Hickey on salary cap going up
• Dave Stubbs on Elmer Lach, 93 years young
• Bruce Arthur on Boston’s win


  1. SeriousFan09 says:

    Canucks Championship would mean for the 2nd time in 4 years, a European-born and trained captain has led his team to the Stanley Cup with Henrik Sedin lifting it.

    Wouldn’t mind that one stickin in Don’s craw.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • hablifting says:

      What do you have against North Americans? 😉

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Not a thing, but I’m disturbed that the NHL is the most openly bigoted pro league in the world. Shouldn’t matter where you’re born but it so often does so I tend to enjoy it when the Europeans show up the “Good Canadian boys”.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • hablifting says:

          Well personally, as a Canadian, I would rather see Canadians succeed then Europeans. However in the end what I like in a hockey player is toughness and skill. Doesn’t matter where you’re from, I can respect those qualities.

    • pat s says:

      SeriousFan09—-Bieksa–he makes cherry look bad, and the thing is i like the sedins–they play hard but come on,

    • Say Ash says:

      Kesler’s the real captain, my friend

      • pat s says:

        completely agree–Kesler is the leader of that team–it is debatable(maybe) but he can be considered the best 2 way player in the league

        having said that, no way vancouver can win without the sedins

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        So the Jack Adams-nominated Alain Vigneault intentionally gave the C to the wrong guy? Okay…

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • pat s says:

          i wish the sedins played on montreal abut your post sounds like you are saying european players are the way to go

          for me i look at what they do on the ice–chara/datsuk/sedins–europeans but i would take them on montreal any day of the week

          but i would take kessler before plekanac or AK any day of the week also–he plays harder, he is meaner, and he is stronger on the puck

        • HardHabits says:

          You routinely say that Pronger not Richards is the actual captain of the Flyers. You really are hypocritical at times there RR.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Different situations exist for the leadership of the teams as well. VAN examined the mistake of putting it all on Luongo and decided to pass it on to a guy who took the team on his back in the 09-10 season with his best career production to date all while his brother missed a big chunk of the season. Sedin emerged as a serious leader last season and the team acknowledged that. He hasn’t crumbled under it, (looking to have the most assists of any player in the playoffs in the last decade or more) while notably, Richards has not done an overall good job with the C with a hostile relationship with the media (which is a part of a modern NHL captain’s job) and the team struggling in the past two years when Pronger was not leading them on the ice.

            I would argue it would be exceptionally strange for a team to take the C away from a player and then once again, give it to the player who is not really their best leader.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • Duracell3 says:

        Joe Thorton is a captain, and Dany Heatley wears an A on his chest. lol.

  2. hablifting says:


    The diving Canucks with garbage goal after garbage goal the last 2 games. Games in which the Sharks should have destroyed them badly. Not exactly an impressive team to watch. I’ll be rooting for TB or Boston over those floppy fish.

    • naweed235 says:

      just for using “rooting for” and “Boston” in the same sentence on this site, u my friend deserve a big F U!

      • hablifting says:

        Yeah, after watching 20 years of suck, I’m not really that rabid anymore. So sue me.

        • Bill J says:

          So it’s win the cup or you suck?
          And you call yourself a fan ?
          You do realize there’s 30 NHL teams right ?
          Canuck & Leaf fans are awful rabid, what’s your problem ?

          • HardHabits says:

            It’s build a contender or you suck. The Habs have sucked since 93 with two little blips since then. They won the Conference once. That team got blown up. They went to the Conference finals once on the back of other-worldly goal-tending. That goalie got traded.

            Currently the Habs have a forward core that is the smallest in the league and the Habs routinely get their asses kicked, they get run over and they get injured or take lazy penalties because of it.

            But everybody thinks we’re close because we took Boston to 7 games.

    • Duracell3 says:

      Right. Diving.

      2-1 coming? Nah, I’ll just DIVE into his legs.

      Puck in the crease? Nah, I’ll just SIT ON IT.

      Right. The calls went the nucks way. Right.

      Have fun cheering for Boston, obviously a Canadiens fan.

  3. Jdub1985 says:

    one word for July:


  4. HabFanSince72 says:

    One question for Elliotte Freedman:

    1. What where you thinking when you picked that hair style?

  5. 24moreCups says:

    They did it! I hope they win the cup and bring it back to it’s home in Canada!

  6. HabFanSince72 says:


    Bieksa with one of the weirdest OT goals I’ve ever seen.

    No one on the ice knew where the puck was.

  7. cheezboie says:

    I picked Couture but I’d sure like to see
    #69 Desjardins score it – When is a Hab going to where the number?

  8. cheezboie says:

    I say San Joser taker it – Couture my pick

    Big props to the Bulldogs who gave us a great year and playoffs – They rebuilt a top line after MaxPac & DD were called up! I think the key is giving trust to call ups and allowing them to make mistakes and play their role (ie. play a sniper like Dawes on the top two lines and give pp time not 4th line!)… Wishful thinking living with a geriatric coach like Count Martinula…

  9. HabFanSince72 says:

    Good old NHL refereeing.

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    Nucks still can’t put the puck on the net.

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hamilton Bulldogs notable playoff scoring:

    Nigel Dawes: 14G, 8A.
    Aaron Palushaj: 7G, 12A
    Dustin Boyd: 5G, 12A
    Gabriel Dumont: 6G, 3A
    Andreas Engqvist: 4G, 5A
    Ryan White: 2G, 6A

    Grind Award: Brendon Nash, who after playing 33 games in NCAA Hockey last year, played 94 with Hamilton this year.

    Drew MacIntyre went 11-9-0, with a 1.95 GAA and a .930 save %. I think Curtis Sanford is done with MacIntyre’s incredible performance, managed over a ridiculous 41 Consecutive Starts including RS play.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  12. cheezboie says:

    Van smells blood… Why is it that the only team I don’t hate is Tampa? – What bad timing losing Guy Boucher…

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    Nucks making it to the final but losing Kessler and Ehrhoff – the Bruins luck continues.

  14. cheezboie says:

    Who videotapes himself watching ahl Hockey?
    this guy –
    what a donkey! (figures he’s an Aeros fan)

    • Duracell3 says:

      That is one of the weirdest people I’ve ever seen on youtube.

      Subscribers: 6
      Uploads (1635)

      Most of which are like him filming his screen or himself during hockey games and then he uploads them right away. very strange.

  15. Jim Edson says:

    Another blown call on the icing and ANOTHER gift to Vancouver!

    Gillis moans about officiating against Chicago and since not one bad call goes against them!

    More PATHETIC NHL officiating!

    …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

    Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

  16. JD_ says:

    Holy s***!

    Downtown, Clutchville, baby!

    Put it away ‘Couver.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    Kessler can barely skate.

  18. Steven says:

    I’m thoroughly disappointed with the way the Bulldogs went down.

    The whole game, they were fighting back, and they never gave up. They tied it up after they went down 2-0 and then they tied it again down 3-2. The team never gave up.

    Then the controversial goal in the last minute, and they still don’t stop. They scored twice. One time, the light didn’t go off and it wasn’t counted, and the other was grabbed and the ‘Dogs weren’t awarded their well deserved penalty shot.

    Now, someone could say: “They have nothing to be ashamed of. They played great and the refs stole it.” But you know that every one of those guys is going to be pretty ticked off when they were so close to a Finals berth, and frankly, they got stiffed out of one they more than earned.

  19. HabFanSince72 says:


    What a fool.

  20. SeriousFan09 says:

    Bulldogs deserved way better than this, as the PBP man noted, after the team’s 100th game of the season, they got ripped every which way by officials to put them down in the game.

    Bulldogs players will hopefully be carrying a bit of vengeance in them for next season, pity the sucker who picks a fight with Ryan White next. Still, gotta admire the coaching of Randy Cunneyworth and the resilience of the roster for doing what they did this season. They’ve consistently had their top scorers yanked up to fill in at the NHL level but keep on going.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  21. avatar_58 says:

    Bulldogs end their season the same way the habs did – on BS missed calls and botched nonsense.

  22. HardHabits says:

    The fix is in in Houston. Controversial goal for Houston with a minute left. A disallowed goal for Hamilton. Houston player puts hand on puck in crease. No penalty shot.

  23. Robert L says:

    That’s got to be waived off.

    • Robert L says:

      ‘Dogs got royally f’d. Aeros scored with about 90 seconds left. A controvercial goal with some goalie interference. With a few ticks left on the clock, Hamilton had a scramble in the Aeros crease and it looked like a Houston player put his hand on the puck. No call made. Then Aaron Pulashaj totally drilled goalie Matt Hackett onto his ass.

      • slapshot777 says:

        Another stupid oversight on the League, you put video review in the NHL and none in the AHL. You need video review in that League because the officiating is so lame they would have a tough time to make a call on which bathroom to use.

        Officiating, like I saw in this series, and mind you I only watched that series was very under par at best and that’s putting it mildy. There was one referee named Koharwski, I wonder if he is related to Koharwski in the NHL. If so I think he was eating a donut on the play they called a goal.

        To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

    • slapshot777 says:

      Robert if that is up and coming officiating to the NHL, then we got brutal officiating. The Refs totally blew the game. They missed a lot of calls all series, but tonight the Dogs got the shaft just like the Habs.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  24. mike3131 says:

    According to a mock draft on mynhldraft.com, we would be in position to draft Jamieson Oleksiak. 6’7, 240-pound defenseman… at 18!!! They say he’s a good skater and could be the next Tyler Myers…
    Not bad…

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      I’m sure the Rangers are gonna get it before us. Like last draft, they went beyond to draft McIlrath.

      “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not sure if it got posted but check out Brendan Gallagher’s 2010-11 highlight reel. Doesn’t even blink when he drives the net http://bit.ly/itCuTK

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  26. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Jurco really used his head to tie the game and goes to OT. One of kind last minute tying goal.

    “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  27. sidhu says:

    Quick thoughts:
    – I’m hoping Palushaj earns a spot with the team out of training camp;
    – I also like the idea of signing Rupp (a big guy who can play a regular shift, even on the PK, and whose won the Cup)
    – I also like the idea of trading Spacek to create room, but I also agree this doesn’t have a high chance of happening

    For those who are hoping Jagr will play for Montreal:

  28. punkster says:

    Canucks. Burrows, nice goal.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  29. HardHabits says:

    Dawes-Boyd-Palushaj do it again!!

  30. punkster says:

    3-3 now. Palushaj. (edit for spelling)

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  31. Say Ash says:

    No stream for the Dogs game?

  32. Mothstoflame says:

    I had a post thjis year about Boyd and wondering why he only had 10 games this season with us, He scored our first goal this year!! i have a soft spot for that guy, i just thought JM and him had a tiff, not sure

    p.s amazing game so far go DAWGS!

  33. HardHabits says:

    I am tempted to pay the 11 dollars to watch this game. Sounds like an exciting game.

  34. punkster says:

    Carle. 2-2
    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  35. HardHabits says:

    Boyd-Dawes-Palushaj could be an NHL line. I have a feeling Boyd will back in the NHL next season, if not with the Habs then elsewhere.

  36. win4ce says:

    YAY BOYD! Only down 2-1 now!

  37. punkster says:

    Now 2-1 Houston. Boyd scores.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  38. punkster says:

    Ouch, down by 2 early.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  39. SeriousFan09 says:

    Can the Bulldogs make the historic comeback from an 0-3 deficit? Find out with the radio call http://cham.player.amri.ca/

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  40. Steven says:

    Anyone know where I can catch the ‘Dogs game? Been hoping to watch it.

  41. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Anyone know if they’re showing Our Canadiens or Nos Canadiens anymore or where I could watch it? I’ve only seen Eller and Markov on RDS so far.

    “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  42. Sharks9 says:

    Does anyone know if there is much hope for trading Spacek? Because if we get rid of him I think we could easily re-sign Wiz and have a defense that looks like:

    That looks like a pretty formidable defense to me!

    25 before 14

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      I think Spacek can be valuable to a young team looking to mentor their young players and to fit under the cap floor for next seasos, but his limited NTC might make him a bit difficult to trade.

      “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

      • Sharks9 says:

        True, but maybe management can try and get him to accept a trade to somewhere nice and warm where he’ll get better playing time because I can’t see him getting a lot here, barring any injuries.

        25 before 14

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Please review Spacek’s contract status before casting him off the Habs roster for next season. Over 35 contract ensures 100% cap hit (no savings = no value) – top 4 contract with now 3rd pair skills – no chance of a trade – no possibility of being demoted to the Dogs – and no reason to go overseas. A remote possibility he gets hit by a beer truck over the summer, but not something Habs faithful should ever wish for. So please include him somewhere in your top 6D projections, as Spacek will certainly be on the Habs D in the fall and should be a solid contributor, albeit with a reduction in TOI.

      For those who suggest Spacek will be the #7 D – not likely. Weber and Emelin as a 3rd pair does not work. Weber still requires significant mentorship, a likely job for Spacek BTW. Emelin has zero NHL experience – no way JM places him with a relatively inexperienced Dman such as Weber until he has many NHL games in the bank – once again a good, no make it great fit to play with Spacek. Czech and Russian language is 40% similar, so ice level communication could work between the two.

      Spacek with 3rd pair minutes, on either D side, providing mentorship to Weber or Emelin is not very exciting (think JM), but works.

      Markov – Pk
      UFA – Gorges
      Emelin – Spacek
      Weber #7

      • cheezboie says:

        I kind of like Emelin/Spacek how bout
        Weber on the 4th line wing and power play…

        • Landof10000lakesHab says:

          That would work.

          Habs should be able to afford a skill upgrade on Gill – not a Wiz, but $2.5 – 3.0m type player – would hope under 30 yrs.

      • Sharks9 says:

        There’s still a chance of him being traded, albeit a remote one. I’m just really hoping he does get traded, doesn’t even need to be for anything good, that salary of his would be nice to get rid of.

        25 before 14

  43. slapshot777 says:

    Waiting for the Dogs game to come on, Hope they complete the comeback.

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  44. Marc10 says:

    Some random thoughts.

    Cam Janssen and Mike Rupp are UFAs.

    I could see one of those guys with Darche on the 4th line…

    If I’m the Wiz, I would head towards Detroit. One year with Lidstrom, Stuart and Kronwall would set him up nicely for a solid season. I wish we could keep him…

    Gomez is sitting pretty. With Eller on the mend, his job should be safe until Christmas. I hope Scottie gets his confidence back. I don’t really expect him to score, but if he skates his butt off and plays a ‘Brad Marchand’ type game, good thing would come his way.

    Enquist is looking pretty good in Hamilton. He might just earn his shot next year if Eller takes a while to return to the lineup. Go Bulldogs!

  45. CHsam says:

    HFS72- I second your motion to bring Cruyff in. I wanna see Total
    Hockey. Let Subban skate EVERYWHERE and Price becomes half a D man out

  46. NDGhabsfan says:

    Remember when you guys used to put Habs stuff on the site. Man that was fun.

    From failing hands…

    • shiram says:

      Oh you mean when they were still playing hockey?
      Heh I get what you are saying, and more content could be put up about the Habs, but there is not much news to go around about “Les Glorieux” as of now.

  47. rocketsglare says:

    Great article on Elmer Lach by Stubbs. At 93 and still battling.
    They certainly don’t make them like they used to. Props to a
    class act. May he enjoy many more years in his patio with his
    lovely wife.

  48. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I see Hunter Bishop is 23 now, does he have any chances of making an NHL team? Never seem to hear anything about this kid.

  49. SeriousFan09 says:

    Was visiting at Hockey’s Future Boards and someone noted a very interesting jump in youth talent for the 2012-13 Hamilton Bulldogs.

    Following the conclusion of the 2011-12 season, Michael Bournival, Jarred Tinordi, Brendan Gallagher, Morgan Ellis, Danny Kristo, Greg Pateryn will be in line for contracts with the team (I suspect Kristo’s 3rd year at UND will be his last). That will be quite the taste of grit, size and scoring potential to add to Hamilton, loading the team up with potential future Habs.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  50. cheezboie says:

    My armchair GM 11/12 habs –
    rough salary guestimates in brackets = cap hit of 58 mill
    leaving 4.2 million for in season adjustments (cap ceiling rumored to be 62.2 million)
    Camm (6) – Pleks (5) – (AK46 or Alex Frolov) (3.25)
    MaxPac (3) – (Desharnais (0.8)/Brooks Laich(2.5)) – Gio (5)
    Darche (0.8) – Eller (1.3) – Dawes or Palushaj (0.9)
    Moen (1.5) – Engqvist (0.9) – White (0.9)
    Pyatt (0.6)

    Markov (5) – Gorges (3)
    Gill (2) – Subban (0.9)
    Yemelin (1) – Weber (0.9)
    Spacek (3.9) – Diaz (0.9)

    Price (2.75)
    Auld (1)

    -0.5 Laraque buyout -3.7 Gomez Buyout
    (would be better if could move Gomez and/or Spacek)

    whatcha think?

    Gomez for captain of the Hamilton Bulldogs!

    • mrhabby says:

      No way in hell Gomez is bought out.
      Laich will command more than 2.5M

      • cheezboie says:

        Yeah Mr. Habby always comes down to Gomez – I would just hate to put him on the 3rd or 4th line where the grinders and checkers are supposed to be & he doesn’t deserve 1st or 2nd line minutes what to do!?! As for Laich well my cap has 4.2 to play with so how much do you think he’s worth?

    • Mike D says:

      As was pointed out to me last week when I tossed Frolov’s name out there, he signed a 3 year deal in the KHL so he’s not an option at all.

      Also, Max-Pac won’t be getting 3mil. He might get half of that. He’s got tons of potential and I LOVE what I saw from him last season, but he has 37 good games of NHL exprience. There’s no way that justifies 3mil. If he continues to produce the way he was, or even improve, then yeah, he’ll get a big contract, but it won’t be this summer.

      Laich will probably get around 4mil per season depending on the length of the deal. No way he sign’s anywhere for 2.5mil, especially not in Montreal where the taxes are the worst in the league.

      – Honestly yours

      • cheezboie says:

        Okay so say 4 for Laich and 2 for MaxPac. Instead of Frolov you go with AK46 or maybe even feel out Jagr (chemistry with Pleks)…

        • Mike D says:

          The big error is that you don’t have Gomez in there so why even bother debating. You know he’s gonna be on the roster next year with his full cap hit much to the chagrin of many Habs fans.

          – Honestly yours

          • cheezboie says:

            Well It’s not really an error if it’s my armchair GM team – Gomez is a playmaker meaning he should be on the top two lines. The numbers do not lie – He brings down all the wingers he plays with whereas Pleks raises them. Trade him or eat the 3.7 million on my team and go out and get something decent (Laich) or play a guy with heart and wheels (Desharnais – who happens to have mad chemistry with MaxPac)!

  51. Mattyleg says:

    May 24: The day that HardHabits’s devestatingly accurate ‘NHL Gaydar’ is unveiled.
    Ping! Ping! Ping!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  52. Will It End Tonight?

    Well I hope we’re all talking about the Bulldogs!!!

    Go Dogs Go

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • Kooch7800 says:

      GO DOGS GO

      Hamilton has been led by forward Nigel Dawes in the 2011 playoffs. Dawes, who played 13 NHL games this season with the Thrashers and the Canadiens, set a Bulldogs’ franchise record with 14 postseason goals. His most important tally came 9:11 into the second overtime of Sunday night’s Game 6 that kept Hamilton alive, yet again.

      Dawes should be on our 3rd or 4th line next year for sure. He has sand paper and hands. He would also be a better fill in when there are injuries then Moen playing in the top 6. Dawes at least has hands

  53. HabFanSince72 says:

    Carter and Giroux to Habs.

    Price to Flyers.

    • shiram says:

      Who do we send to the Blues to get Halak back?

    • mrhabby says:

      now thats funny.

      hmmmm..who would play goal for the habs.

      your fired.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Goalies are a dime a dozen.

        San Jose, Boston and Tampa all picked their current starters for nothing.

        Chicago, Detroit both won cups with just decent goalies.

        The difference between a Carey Price and a merely solid keeper is about 1.5% in save percentage (.910 versus .925). That is about 0.3 – 0.4 goals per game.

        On the other hand the difference between a mediocre powerplay (17%) and a great one (24%) is about 0.5 goals per game.

        So by trading a great goalie for two great attackers you actually improve you team.


        • Mattyleg says:

          Don’t follow ya there, mate.
          Ask Philly how important goaltending is. Or Washington.
          Or the ’93 Habs.

          …for instance.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            “Ask Philly how important goaltending is.”

            I believe their answer is “not at all”.

            Not that they are right.

            Mind you I didn’t say goaltending was unimportant, but that a solid keeper is not much different than an elite one – unless it’s Patrick Roy and Price ain’t no Patrick Roy.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Ah Montreal, where the Goaltending measuring stick means you carry the team to a Cup by at latest, 23 or you’re just a bum.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Chicago had the best defence in the entire NHL in the 2010 playoffs, they ran a 21-game clinic on clearing rebounds from the slot. Detroit has had the best defencemen of his generation on their blue line for many years and the guy had the help of Selke-class defensive forwards each time, plus a strong D-group.

          And Jeff Carter? Please, the guy’s specialty is being underwhelming in the playoffs. He may outscore AK in the RS but their playoff scoring is about even. Giroux’s a special player but if we want guys that deliver, make it JVR (who had an excellent playoff run) and Giroux since we’re talking trades that will never happen anyway.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

    • I’m the biggest Price fan here (ok one of many), but I would do that deal. Unfortunately no GM is dumb enough to do that fantasy trade.

      Shane Oliver
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      Ph- 204 724 8418

    • HardHabits says:

      Dude. Price is not going to be traded. Not unless the Molson’s rehire Rejean Houle as GM and Mario Tremblay as coach.

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      How about AK and Weber and Ramo for Carter and Giroux?

    • Rejean Houle,is that you?

    • Chris says:

      In a heart-beat. 🙂

      Goalies can be found. Two elite offensive players? Not so easy.

    • mrhabby says:

      Could carter and giroux hack JM defence first mentality.

    • Mike D says:

      I swear, sometimes I think you post non-sense just for the sake of posting non-sense and generating replies. Either that or you’ve been contracted by HIO to increase the number of hits the site gets. If you spend a fraction of the time following the Habs as you do on HIO you know good and G.Damn well that Montreal would never make that trade. Why the hell would you bother posting that?!?!?!

      BTW, I also doubt Philly would pull the trigger on that deal even if it were available given their historical lack of attention to goaltending and the potential of a young prospect named Bobrovsky. Not to mention the Carter for Bryzgalov rumours that have been floating around. Both of those possibilities are more attractive to the Flyers than what you posted.

      – Honestly yours

    • Bill J says:

      Can you please explain to us all why you hate Price so much. Did he steal your girlfriend or something ?

  54. Hello everyone,first time poster

    What scares me this summer in FA is Wiz.There’s a strong possibility the habs will not re-sign him because of Markov.If that’s the case,he’ll be available to all teams who struggled on the power play and needs a PP QB.One of those teams is the FKin Boston Bruins.Kaberle is being paid 4.5 millions and has been complete flop since the bruins acquired him.Even with a poor PP,the bruins are still winning in the playoffs.

    If the bruins make it to the Stanley cup finals,the bruins will give up a First and Second rd pick to the leafs for Kaberle.
    The bruins management can correct that mistake with one move this summer.

    All they have to do is not re-sign a 33 year old Kaberle(4.5 millions),and replace him with a younger Wisz.

    That’s scary thought habs fans!

    • shiram says:

      Wiz to the Boons is possible I guess, but you don’t sign a player just because you might have to face him during the season. Habs have to look at their situation for the next couple season, and work with the cap considering the players they want to retain long term.
      Next year, those are Subban, and Price, both will get a raise too.
      So if you give Wiz a 4 or 5 year deal at 4.5 to 5 million, you handicap your ability to sign Price/Subban.

    • mrhabby says:

      Thats a very real possibility wiz signing with Boston. From all reports and we have seen him play kaberle will not be resigned by the bruins so wiz would work.

  55. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Earlier today Hardhabits cited historical precedent for the Canadiens strategy of employing offensive-defencemen and defensive-offencemen. His statement reads as follows.

    “It’s kind of like when Conan battled Captain America. Captain America used his shield as a weapon and invariably Conan used his sword as a shield.”
    – HardHabits May 24, 2011 at 10:50 am.

    * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      It’s so true it blows my mind.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • HardHabits says:

      It was in the Marvel Universe What If series “What If Conan walked the Earth Today?” or something like that. In it Conan becomes a pimp and fights Captain America.

      Here’s the cover:

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      So it’s settled. Pierre Gautier spends every summer holed up in his lair in Vermont basing all his personnel decisions on comic book scenarios. Guy Boucher is the the evil villain. I can’t wait until Andrei Markov joins the rush one day only to collide with Tomas Plekanec on the back-check causing some kind of space rift that will form a super Hab.

      P.S. This new super Hab will only score unassisted goals.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  56. 4m3y2j says:

    OK-as rediculous as it is,let’s go with your unsubstantiated insights and say they are gay,SO WHAT?What does it matter?What does it have to do with their skills/talent ?I am speaking about Pouliot here,or Richer for that matter.

    • kempie says:

      I’ll take a stab at this one. What does it have to do with skills/talent? I’m going to have to say not a damn thing. Simple math tells me that there are going to be gay people on just about every sports team. Some players will also be black, some Jewish and some will be afraid of spiders. With all due respect, you seem to be the only one making a fuss. Now I can’t speak for HH, but he doesn’t seem like a bigot or a Bostonian. Seems like a smart, level headed (most of the time) dude. Mind you, he hasn’t seemed quite right since game 7 but neither have I. No idea where his comments came from but I doubt it was intended the way you received it. Anyway, shouldn’t we be talking about a Markov contract or a Jagr rumour instead?

    • HardHabits says:

      It’s just speculation on the part of one of my friends and I with whom I happen to watch a lot of Habs games with. Take for example this little known fact but Eller is already married. It speaks volumes about Eller’s maturity and stability. For me it has less to do with Pouliot’s talent and skill but about things like but not necessarily self doubt or loathing.

      Something is up with Pouliot and I think it’s less physical as opposed to being more psychological.

      As far as his play is concerned. He’s a mou-mou. He doesn’t like to get hurt. Yes he delivers the solid, albeit penalty deserving, check now and again but he’s soft. He can’t win puck battles and worse he can’t even stand on his feet.

      I was making a joke for the most part.

  57. Chris says:

    Once again, we’re heading into summer and the acquisition speculation begins anew, with most of the focus going towards the “name” players.

    As often as not, the key acquisitions that form the basis for the successful teams are acquired through good drafting and discovering good bargains via trade and/or free agency.

    The teams that had the deep “name” defence corps, such as Detroit or Pittsburgh, are out. Instead, we see teams like Boston, who have surrounded a superstar with some role players that fit their system, Or Tampa Bay, who have a couple of older name players (Ohlund, Brewer) sharing the heavy work-load with a young star draft pick. Or San Jose, who signed an established star (Boyle) to go with their young up-and-comer (Vlasic) and a bunch of role players. And Vancouver, who have gone for home-grown talented blueliners (Bieksa, Edler), an expensive UFA acquisition (Hamhuis) and a salary cap refugee (Ehrhoff, dumped by San Jose so that they could afford Heatley) surrounded by role players.

    Looking at the Habs, the defence corps seems relatively set going into next season…like others, I strongly suspect that Markov is going to be re-signed. Gorges and Subban are givens. Spacek is signed and will probably serve as a 7th defenceman next season. Emelin and Weber should be in the everyday lineup next season as a third pairing getting 10-15 minutes per night.

    That leaves one top-4 defenceman to be found…Hamrlik could be re-signed to a one year deal, or the team could get creative and go after a guy like Anton Babchuk from Calgary…a younger UFA with size (6’5″, 212 pounds) that has some offensive ability (back to back 35 point seasons) and fits a need (right defence), allowing Gorges to go back and play his more natural left side. I suspect that Babchuk would be a lot cheaper than Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Brewer or Pitkanen, allowing the Habs to use money on what they REALLY need…help up front. Gill will obviously be tempting as a mentoring presence on the third pairing, but the team has to make a decision soon on whether Weber is ready…I can’t see him sticking around for another year of AHL hockey when he could be making more money in Europe.

    The Habs finished tied for 21st in the league in goals per game last year and scored the third fewest goals per game in the playoffs this year. They were tied for 25th in the league the season before that and scored the third fewest goals per game in the playoffs there as well. Defence has not been Montreal’s problem…they simply can’t score enough to truly be considered an elite team.

    The Habs have to find some offence. It is not going to come from Gomez…he won’t get much worse than he was this past season, but I don’t see a big rebound from him either…he hasn’t been particularly good since Jagr last played in the NHL. Plekanec is pretty much at his peak now, a 60-70 point two-way centre whose offence goes out the window when he’s asked to mark elite opposing centres.

    Whether it be by trade (my ideal situation) or finding some potential fits in the FA market, an elite NHL scorer and NHL calibre forward depth is the team’s single greatest need.

    • Mike D says:

      I really think Gill be brought back. I’d actually like to see him get paired with Weber to see if he can help him the way he helped PK. Assuming we don’t re-sign Wiz, I’d like to see these pairings next year:

      Markov – Yemelin
      Gorges – PK
      Gill – Weber

      Spacek & one of Mara/Picard as the extras

      *IF we can somehow re-sign Wiz, then move Weber to the wing for 5-on-5 play, and back to Defense on the PP.

      – Honestly yours

      • Chris says:

        I don’t see Yemelin with Markov…that’s too many minutes in high-pressure situations for a untested NHL rookie.

        I think Yemelin and Weber would be a nice third pairing, where one or the other could be rotated out with whichever veteran (Gill, Spacek) the team keeps around for depth. Yemelin is a more defensive guy but has good speed, so he could cover up for some of Weber’s defensive short-comings and free him up to be a little creative offensively.

        • Mike D says:

          I think you’ll find a fairly even distribution of playing time with the pairings I mentioned at ES. The differences will come from PP and PK time. Basically, this isn’t a 1st pairing, 2nd pairing…system. It’s a balanced system where the skills/abilities are mostly spread out.

          Yemelin and Weber on one line is a lot of inexperience to put on the same pairing (especially Yemelin). You mentioned the pressure of having Yemelin with Markov, but then in your post you have him covering for any mistakes Weber might make?? Talk about pressure. Yemelin has never played on NA ice let alone in the NHL and you have him covering for another (almost) rookie’s mistakes, but say putting him with Markov is too much pressure for the rookie?

          – Honestly yours

          • HardHabits says:

            Chris. I don’t see Markov stepping into a #1 roll, at least it is my opinion that he shouldn’t, at first. He needs time to get that knee slowly rehabilitated into game shape.

          • Chris says:

            Comes down to who they are playing against. Covering Weber’s mistakes against 3rd and 4th line players is well within what I reasonably expect from Yemelin, who has a lot of experience in the KHL and at the world championships against players of that calibre (although your point about the lack of experience on NHL ice is taken).

            What he hasn’t faced are the elite NHL forwards that Markov is routinely asked to match up against. While I agree that the ice time can be spread more evenly, Markov will almost certainly, given Martin’s penchant for relying heavily on his veterans, be called upon to play against the Ovechkins, Kovalchuks and Crosbys of the league as soon as the team is convinced his knee is not impairing his play.

          • Chris says:

            HH: I agree with you, but I don’t have much faith in Jacques Martin on this front. If Markov is cleared to play by the doctors, I’m confident that Martin is going to put him out in all the key situations given his preference for veterans.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Yemelin is not a kid, he’s 25.

          Yes things will move quicker on the small ice, but he’ll adjust, though of course it may take until Xmas.

          • Mike D says:

            He may not be a kid in terms of age, but he certainly is in terms of NHL experience, or NA ice-surface experience.

            – Honestly yours

    • Chris says:

      Some of my proposed changes…

      Dump Pyatt, replace him with Nigel Dawes who has shown he can play an energy role in the NHL and has more offensive ability than Pyatt.

      Either free up Plekanec to play offensive hockey or consider trading him for an elite offensive #1 center. The Habs need a center on whom they can count for offensive production.

      Go after Ville Leino (Philadelphia)…still relatively young (27), has some grit and the Flyers are in tough against the salary cap. Seeing if James van Riemsdyk could be pried out of Philly would also be on my wishlist…he is on the verge of breaking out, but might still be expendable.

      Probably time to give up on Pouliot…he has replaced SK74 as Martin’s whipping boy, and that is a tough hole to climb out of. And as much as I personally like him, AK46 may have to go (packaged with Plekanec and picks for a package involving an elite offensive player…Malkin? Kopitar?) as he simply is too inconsistent for the Habs.

      Brooks Laich (Washington) and Jussi Jokinen (Carolina) could also be attractive, but will probably be expensive.

      Tomas Fleischmann (Colorado) is intriguing, as he has speed and some offensive ability, but there are obvious injury concerns around him.

      And if the team is searching for a fighter (unlikely with Jacques Martin as a coach), Cam Janssen (St. Louis) is an entertaining player that seems okay with not playing everyday. And unlike Laraque, Janssen LOVES to fight, so there shouldn’t be any worries of him not fighting if he’s signed. He does tend towards going over the line though, but that is an issue with most of the true fighters in the league.

      • Mike D says:

        I’m okay with the Pyatt/Dawes thing. Dawes has been slagged because he’s very slow, where Pyatt has speed to burn (but has stone hands for sure). JM really likes Pyatt for the PK but if we have a decent replacement then I’m okay with it.

        As for Pleks, I think he likes the defensive side of the game….and he’s certainly good at it. They do need a true #1 centre they can count on for offensive production though – you are 100% right about that. Look for them to keep Gomez and hope he along with Gio and Max-Pac can pick up where they left off before “the incident” and also hope Gomez improves separate from that as he has said he will. If that happens, I suspect Gomez will be traded next summer when his cap situation becomes appealing to cap-floor teams. With that money freed up, it will be the right time to bring in a true #1 centre.

        I’m not sold on Leino but concede he *might* be good, but not sure he’d be a real upgrade over AK or even Benny. I have no interest in Malkin at his salary with his inconsistent play (for almost 9mil, your effort should NEVER be questioned) and injuries. Kopitar is really good, but don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade to justify trading Pleks PLUS others. I like Pleks a lot and the team should keep him. He’s the perfect #2 centre on a contender.

        If you think Philly would even entertain the idea of trading JVR you are crazy. They would have to get numerous 1st and 2nd round picks given his abilities, age, and currect salary (875K).

        Laich would be good, but with the thin talent at forward this summer, he’ll get more than he’s worth. Either that, or he’ll take a discount/reasonable salary and stick it out with Washington if he believes they can get over the hump in the playoffs.

        – Honestly yours

        • Chris says:

          Agree regarding JVR…that was me dreaming. 🙂 He is the kind of guy the Habs could desperately use, and he’s going to be looking for a raise the Flyers might be hard-pressed to give him based on all those long-term contracts. I would be okay with a couple of 1st round picks going to the Flyers for JVR, as the Habs haven’t had any luck drafting a player of his size and talent, and he has the potential to be a game-changer offensive force.

          I agree regarding Laich…he will almost certainly be over-priced. And watch what some crazy team is going to pay Sean Bergenheim based on his strong playoff this spring.

          Malkin was playing on a hurt knee all season and still put up nearly a point per game. He’s a top-5 NHL talent and has a Conn Smythe Trophy in his pocket. And he isn’t 25 yet. I’m okay with the odd work ethic issue for a player who is going to get you 80-100 points per season and hasn’t yet hit his peak years.

          I like Plekanec, but he and Gomez fill roughly the same role. One of them is a tradeable asset, the other is not (at least at the moment) in anything other than a salary dump. If you want an elite player, you’ve got to offer significant assets. I personally would prefer both Malkin and Kopitar, as the offensive upgrade they provide over Plekanec is much harder to find than being able to make up the defensive hole left by replacing Plekanec, who I think is overplayed (and thus exhausted) on the defensive side of the ledger.

          I truly believe that both Kopitar and Malkin might be in play this summer. Malkin’s value could be low due to the knee injury, while there were rumblings out of L.A. that they were open to the idea of moving Kopitar. It is not very often that you have a shot at a 80-100 point center in the NHL…waiting until next summer might be too late. Buying low is the only way a team can get these types of players barring a salary dump, because the UFA premium to play in Montreal prices them out of affordability.

          • Mike D says:

            I agree with you that Malkin is a top 5 NHL talent. No doubt he’s got the goods. I watch Pitts a lot as a good friend of mine is a huge Pens fan, and even he gets frustrated with Malkin a lot, specificaly with his work ethic. Pitts has to do something about their centre/winger situation cuz Jordan Staal is way too good to be a 3rd liner. They also have some good youngsters who would be just fine in the 3-slot. They need an elite winger or two to put with Sid, but with Sid’s concussion and the aquisition of James Neal, I’m not sure they would make a major move this year regarding Malkin. If they did trade him, it would certainly be for a winger cuz they have elite centre’s in abundance so Pleks + extra piece(s) for Malkin wouldn’t happen.

            Kopitar is certainly capable of putting up over 80 points, but I don’t put him in the same category as Malkin, Sid, H. Sedin and the other elite centres in the league. It wouldn’t be proposterous if he had a 70 point season, and I think Pleks could def. be an 80-point guy on a more offensive-minded team and with less time on the PK. That’s why I don’t see Kopitar as a significant upgrade to Pleks.

            And yeah, JVR to the Habs would be sweet :-). I think that when it’s time for him to get a significant raise (after next season I believe), they will part with Laperriere, Versteeg, and possibly a Dman if necessary to afford him.

            – Honestly yours

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “The teams that had the deep “name” defence corps, such as Detroit or Pittsburgh, are out. ”

      Somewhat unfair.

      Pens are out because they lost Crosby and Malkin.

      Red Wings are out but they were one of the best teams in the league this year as usual.

      And the team with the deepest and most talented defensive core is undoubtedly Vancouver.

      • Chris says:

        No question that it is somewhat unfair. But the parallel I see with Montreal is that stacking a defence corps, as the Penguins did, is not very helpful if you can’t score, which the Penguins could not do minus Crosby and Malkin.

        The Habs were 8th in the league in goals against per game. Adding a stud defenceman or two might shave another 0.10-0.20 off that total, at best. This would leave us roughly equivalent in GAA with Nashville, who scored the same number of goals as the Habs last season. And the Preds had the grand total of 3 more points than the Habs overall.

        Your points on Detroit and Vancouver are well-noted. I should have been a little less dismissive of their depth.

    • J_P says:

      Just wondering out loud here, but Michael Cammalleri had a career best 38 goals (39?) and over 80 pts three seasons ago. Gomez has seen his career low seasons in Montreal. A constant complaint has also been that our supposedly offensive prospects cant generate much in the way of offense. Bottom line seems to be that Montreal’s organizational structure from top to bottom (don’t forget that Pierre Gauthier and Bob Gainey hired Defense-only jacques Martin) is totally focused on defense. I can’t help but think that, even if we were to acquire a Brad Richards or Rick Nash, their production would take a huge dip once they get here.

      • Chris says:

        Cammalleri’s peak season came in the Western Conference, so that should also be considered…the general consensus is that the West is tougher, but it also seems to be faster hockey, which would suit a guy like Cammalleri a little more.

        Playing with an elite player like Iginla can’t hurt either…the Habs have nobody even close to Iginla’s talent level up front.

        That being said, I do agree with you…the Montreal system has not been kind to the players’ statistics. The Habs had one breakout year offensively with Carbo as the coach when he essentially let the offensive players play, but the Habs have certainly seemed to be impaired by frequent injuries and a lack of creativity on offence in recent years.

  58. CHsam says:

    hmm. I hope PG signs Wiz. I don’t see us adding any major fire power on forward this summer… Probably need to sign players for cheap. Figure out situation with AK, let Pouliot go, sign Markov, sign Wiz. Even for 1 year? If that’s at all possible

    • Mike D says:

      Wiz won’t take a 1 year deal from any team. He’s earned the security of a long-term contract at good money.

      I’m frustrated with Pouliot too as I suspect most Habs fans are, but 1.3mil for a young 3rd liner with upside and good size isn’t terrible. If he could only get his skating figured out and work through whatever is going on between his ears that prevents him from reaching his potential, who knows what he could do.

      – Honestly yours

      • J_P says:

        Totally agree about Pouliot. No reason to give up on an RFA. The habs just need to sit down with him and give him a career ultimatum on whether he wants to work hard and succeed, or if he wants to change careers. If he’s committed to success, than hire the guy a skating coach for god sakes. We’ve all seen the flashes of talent. If he could just stay on his skates he’d probably be a solid third liner.

        I’ll be the first to admit that I disliked Ryder when he was here, but the guy has proven that once you get passed his streaky scoring tendencies, he’s a solid third line winger who can score some real clutch goals.

        Pouliot has a chance to be that guy, so no reason to give up on him yet.

  59. Old Bald Bird says:

    JT has a long and good article on faceoffs, quoting Carbo and Tim Taylor. Since there was some discussion of CP vs TT below, I have highlighted their respective numbers in the paragraph below (basically from her intro).

    The stats show just how close it was, but if one team had a slight advantage in the numbers, it was actually the Canadiens. Each team scored 17 goals in the seven games. The Habs won the special-teams battle. They went 22.2% on the PP, while the Bruins failed to score. That gave the Canadiens a perfect 100% on the PK to Boston’s 77.8%. The Bruins took more shots, with 243 versus the Habs’ 229, although the Canadiens won the three games in which they were significantly outshot. In goal, Carey Price’s .934 save percentage and 2.11 goals-against average beat out Tim Thomas’ .926 and 2.25. The only area in which the Bruins had the clear upper hand was on faceoffs. They were 53.3% for the series, while the Habs were just 46.7% on the draw.

    — formerly notbigbird —

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      53/47 translates to 3-4 more faceoffs won per game.

      • J_P says:

        Which is not insignificant because its 3-4 more chances to start with possession of the puck. Not to mention if those faceoff wins are in the offensive zone, it’s a good chance to generate offense, and if you win a big defensive zone faceoff when you’re being pressed by the other team, its a good way to stifle their momentum.

  60. 4m3y2j says:

    Hard Habits

    Why don’t you stick to facts instead of veiled bigotry and ignorance regarding Pouliot .
    You sound like you are from Philadelphia or even worse Boston.

    • HardHabits says:

      I am neither a bigot nor ignorant. I am speculating I will admit. It’s OK to call Don Cherry names even though I think he’s in the closet too. Not to mention Pierre McGuire.

      You’re just another incredulous Habs fan.

  61. Mike D says:

    A few thoughts on our offensive D:

    The D core we will be taking into next season has been debated a lot on HIO so I thought I’d share some thoughts about it – specifically on the offensive Dmen available to us. Right now, we have 4 offensive Dmen on the roster: Marky, PK, Wiz, and Weber. This is a great situation because offensive Dmen are a hot commodity in the NHL and vital to a team’s success (especially one who finishes near the bottom in league scoring). Of these 4 players, 3 have proved they can put up points in the league and would absolutely make the team in the top 6 pairings to start the season. Weber is still developing, but certainly *could* crack the line-up.

    Markov – As far as I’m concerned Marky was/is going to be re-signed no matter what. The Yemelin signing I think only further cemented that plan. Great, so Marky is one offensive Dman who will definitely be with the club next year.

    PK – nothing needs to be said. With Marky, that’s 2 offensive D with the club next year.

    Wiz – I think we all want to keep him, but realize it may not be possible due to the salary he will likely command next year (which I expect will be around 4.5mil – 5mil on something like a 5 year deal). While we can technically afford to keep him, PG must consider the upcoming contracts of PK and Carey. Also, he may not want to have that much money devoted to the blue line considering the clubs other needs.

    Weber – The kid’s shown some potential for sure but hasn’t yet proved he can be a mainstay on an NHL franchise the way the other 3 players have. Some posters here have been throwing around the idea of trading him as he might not be in the team’s long-term plans, and while I understand the logic, I think we should keep him. Diaz has proven even less than Weber has and the same can be said for the guys in the A who have offensive upside (Clubber and Carle). If we did trade Weber, that would only leave us with 2 offensive Dmen on the club for next year assuming we don’t resign Wiz (which is the safe assumption). Given Marky’s injury history, should he go down again, that would leave us with only PK as an offensive Dman and PP quarterback. To me, that is a disasterous position to be in since much of our scoring relies heavily on the PP. If we can’t re-sign Wiz, then Weber is a must-keep, at least until Diaz or one of the other guys proves they can play that position with the big club.

    – Honestly yours

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Not hockey related, but an interesting article on Lance Armstrong by Pierre Foglia:


    That guy was not just a cheat – he was the king of cheats.

  63. CHsam says:

    OCT 21`2011: Gomez gets traded for a 1st round pick

    • shiram says:

      But the world will end on the same day!
      The information that was written in the Bible more than 2000 years ago has just been deciphered, and it turns out the latest information was off by 5 months.

      Just too bad that we won’t get to enjoy a Gomez free Habs team.

  64. Mattyleg says:

    Just a word on Poolie, who’s been mentioned below on a thread that’s become as thin as most of my hair…

    I don’t think that he’ll blossom on another team into the player he could be. He doesn’t have the heart or the determination. I really like Benny, but if we can convince some other team that he’ll shake the monkey he’s carried on his back for his whole career, then that’ll be great for us.

    Habs management has nothing to do with the way he’s been playing. He did the same with the Wild, and if I remember correctly, Lemaire’s a pretty good coach.

    Any player who puts up the numbers he did when he got here, and then drops off the radar as completely as he did has something wrong upstairs. Not in a bad way, just in a ‘not the right frame of mind for the NHL’ way.
    Which, I suppose, is bad if you’re trying to make a career as an NHLer.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • CHsam says:

      I was wondering to myself yesterday if someone like Guy Boucher could turn this guy into something. Probably not.

      • HardHabits says:

        Pouliot needs to go to a city where his “StephaneRicherism” wouldn’t be so blown out of proportion if found out. Ever wonder why he played so well in the Minnesota game?

        Didn’t you see his interview? He got a chance to visit some “friends”.

        It appears like Pouliot is skating in a closet. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  65. HabsoluteFan says:

    I just need to point out that I love seeing Marchand getting tagged with a few diving penalties in these playoffs after he called-out the Habs for being divers. I can now go on with my day

  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    I was reading this tell it like it is piece by Fort Wayne Sentinel’s no-nonsense columnist Kevin Leininger. Not mincing words, Kev lays right into doomsday preacher Harold Camping and calls him nothing less than a snake oil salesman.


    See, the end of the world never happened and Mr Leininger has come to the conclusion that blind belief in cheap frauds should never replace true faith based on scripture. (Never mind that Camping’s predictions were actually based on scripture.)

    Now why is this relevant to a hockey site?

    Because last night I also saw an interview with Leafs GM Brian Burke on Sportsnet (I turned on the TV to see the OT of the Memorial Cup game.)

    What Sportsnet needs is its own Kevin Leininger. Because man were those guys lapping up all the snake oil Burke was peddling.

    Are you going to target Brad Richards they asked? Burke replied coyly “I can’t talk about a player who is currently under contract to another team.” which Nick Kypreos interpreted as meaning that Burke would indeed target Richards – nudge nudge wink wink.

    In fact Burke should have said, about Richards: “Well it’s nice to dream but why would a 31-32 year old player targeting one last chance at the Stanley Cup sign with our organization”?

    • kempie says:

      Now wait just a minute. I was just reading on cbc.ca that the rapture is back on! Apparently there was some sort of calendar malfunction. According to the story:

      “Harold Camping revised his apocalyptic prophecy, saying he was off by five months and the Earth actually will be obliterated on Oct. 21”.

      So, make a note folks and tape it to the fridge. As for Burke, this is obviously really bad news because next season was definitely going to be THE year for his storied franchise. But really this time. Too bad the Earth will be obliterated shortly after training camp.

      Oh, and here’s the full story:


    • mrhabby says:

      of course Burke is interested in Richards ..he said himself over the season…”looking for a front line marquee player”. he needs some one to dish kessel.
      I hope Richards sign with the Rangers.
      Expecting Burke to try and move up in the draft He could also try and sign Parise July 1.

      • Mike D says:

        Regarding the “Burke going after Parise” thing. Isn’t Burke the one who got into that huge war of words with EDM when they signed Penner to an offer sheet from ANA?? If I’m right, there’s no way Burke goes after an RFA with an offer sheet.

        – Honestly yours

        • mrhabby says:

          i rememeber that now…time flies. The snake Burke needs to do something.

          • Mike D says:

            He’s definitely going to go hard after Richards and has the cap space to do it. I think Richards said he didn’t want to go to TOR though.

            A lot of people on her would like to see Richards come to the Habs, but in addition to him not wanting to play here either, he doesn’t help the size issue (which doesn;t concern me nearly as much as other posters) and is brutal defensively. For all the points he puts up, he’s a career minus player (big time) and that doesn’t work with our team’s current philosophy.

            – Honestly yours

      • pat s says:

        don’t worry about Burke, he knows what he is doing

        if the habs offer wiz 5m and not offer that to bieska they should have their heads examined–

        we need bieska big time–thats the key–i

        • Mike D says:

          Surely, you jest. I will laugh at the GM who pays 5mil for Bieksa….I just hope it ain’t PG. I don’t doubt that he’ll get that much, but it’s definitely overpaying.

          The guy has missed 101 games in the past 4 seasons – that’s 25 games/year. His point production, while decent, isn’t impressive considering the ‘Nucks’ offensive firepower, and at 6’1″ and 198lbs, he doesn’t exactly help us in the size department either (though he does play a gritty style).

          – Honestly yours

          • pat s says:

            my point is if wiz is worth 4-5 million, than bieska is worth double that—there is no comparisson –its a joke to compare those two–

            and are you kidding me about his size–he will put any of our players through the boards–sign him for crying out loud

            now i do agree about not overpaying–i’m just saying if you pay the wiz 4million, than try for bieska

            last game he played 27 minutes–he is an impact player–criticize him and not our soft players is bias–end of story

          • Mike D says:

            @ pat s:

            Pat, if YOUR point is that Bieksa is worth twice as much as Wiz, then MY point is that you’re completely out of your mind and have no idea what you’re talking about. The joke you speak of my friend, is on you.

            And no, I’m not kidding you about his size – he’s listed as 6’1″, 198lbs. on both TSN and NHL websites – look it up yourself. He’s about the same size as Gorges which ain’t that big. Wiz is 5’11” and 205lbs which means he’s a bit shorter, but more muscular than Bieksa. Yes, Bieksa plays a more physical style, I’ve already said that, but he’s not the monster you think he is and he’s not putting anybody through the boards at under 200lbs. 6 months ago he was tradebait for the Nucks, now he’s a must-have UFA Dman?? Get a grip. You are correct that we could use more grit in the line-up, but Wiz is not one of the soft players on our roster. Far from it.

            4mil will probably not even be enough to sign Wiz so even there you’re off.

            Look Pat, I’ve read a lot of your posts and I shake my head at all of them. You probably do the same when you read my posts. No big deal – you and I are just on opposite ends of the spectrum as fans when it comes to our opinions of the Habs. There’s millions of Habs fans across the globe so it’s not possible for everyone to agree on everything all the time. Again, no big deal. If you’re gonna post opinions though, at least try to back them up with some sort of proof or empirical evidence or something to give them credibility. Otherwise you just sound like a little kid whining to get his way with no substance to his argument.

            PS – For future reference, it’s spelled Bieksa, not Bieska. For being his biggest fanboy, you’d at least think you could spell his friggin name right. You write like Don Cherry sounds – praising him all the time but can’t say/spell his name correctly if his life depended on it. BTW, I never comment on spelling errors for 2 reasons: 1) It’s petty and beneath not only me, but hopefully all of us here at HIO. 2) We all make spelling errors, myself included. The reason I pointed it out this time is because you ALWAYS spell his name wrong, which means it’s not an error, it’s really how you think his name is spelled. Again, if you’re going to “cry out loud” for PG to sign BieKSa, then at least spell his name right.

            – Honestly yours

          • pat s says:

            hi MIke D–watch Bieksa play tonight, and go watch the wiz on a golf course–there is my empircal evidence

            are you kidding, you are comparing the wiz to Bieksa, and the thing is I like the wiz, when PG got him i said that was a steal for us

            ask vancouver if they would trade Bieksa straight up for the whiz–they wolud tell PG he is on crack–they wouldn’t even trade bieksa for markov

            you bring injuries with Bieksa but what about Markov but you would pay him 5m–yes, i like markov

            of course Bieksa is not worth twice as the wiz but if the wiz makes 4 mil than bieksa is worth more than 4

            now you bring up his size–he plays with grit, he is not soft–you can be 220 but you still be soft–look at spacek and Ak–they are bigger but bieksa would just smash them–Ak disappears in the playoffs and please don’t say he was leading in hits b/c if that is the case montrealis hurting big time— chris nilan was i think 6ft and 205ils and he was the toughest guy in the NHL, wendel clark–check his size and yeah he was soft

            what about this empirical evidence for you–you keep laughing at my posts but I hope you are enjoying our habs on the golf course b/c their lineup is full of softies–look at marchand on boston–he plays like a giant on the ice

            all 4 teams playing right now are way better than montreal–the 1st thing that needs to change in montreal is the way toplay the game–you need to play in your face hockey rather than this play nice billy hockey that you support

            having said all that you are entitled to laugh at my posts b/c you have the right to your opinion–i don’t laugh at you posts, i just disagree

            and don’t go to my spelling b/c it shows you are getting personal–i’m not applying for a journalist job

          • Mike D says:

            pat s:

            You clearly didn’t read my post at all before replying to it. I never said I laughed at you. I referred to a “joke”, which you referred to in your previous comment. Never once did I say I laughed at you or your posts.

            Regarding the spelling thing, I’m not getting personal whatsoever so don’t say I am. I went out of my way to explain to you that I don’t nit-pick at spelling, and my pointing out to you that you constantly spell his name wrong was not nit-picking, but making a point that if you’re gonna sing his praises and be his biggest fan, you shouldn’t spell his name consistently wrong all the time. Funny how now that I’ve pointed this out to you, you are finally spelling his name right. As I suspected, it wasn’t a spelling error, you just didn’t know how to spell his name even though you’re obviously a huge fan of his.

            Of course I would pay Markov 5mil. He’s had injuries and Bieksa has had injuries. The difference is that a healthy Markov is one of the top 10 Dmen in the league – Bieksa isn’t even close. Hell, Bieksa probably isn’t even top 3 on his team. Bieksa and Wiz are two different players. Wiz’s talents are more for the offensive part of the game, and he’s got a rocket shot. Bieksa is more defensive and puts up so-so points on a high-scoring team. Bieksa plays a more physical game, but neither player is soft. Personally I think Wiz’s offensive talents make him a better fit on the Habs due to the team’s overall defensive prowess and inability to score as much as they should. Also, Bieksa-like players are easier to come by than Wiz-like players.

            I mentioned empirical evidence, and your reply to that is basically “Bieksa is better than Wiz cuz Bieksa is still playing hockey, and Wiz is golfing”. Really??? So by that logic, every player on SJ, VAN, BOS, and TBL are better than every Hab player?? Obviously not, and I know that’s not what you meant, but your response (or lack there of) is actually quite telling. Very telling indeed. Instead of backing up your argument with substance, you resort to “Bieksa’s playing hockey, Wiz is golfing”. Gimme a break dude.

            I’ve already said TWICE that I realize Bieksa plays a gritty game, yet you keep pointing that out to me as if I don’t understand – again, READ my friggin post if you’re gonna reply. You also said I support “play nice Billy” hockey. Really? Where did that come from? Was it when I already said that we could use more size and grit? Or was it a poor assumption on your part based on not reading my posts further than to conclude I generally disagree with you? The difference between you and me is that you place more value on grit and physical play than I do – but that doesn’t mean I don’t value it at all or that I support “play nice Billy” hockey as you put it.

            You know – I went through all this trouble of replying to you point by point, which is a mistake on my part. It would have saved me a lot of time if I had just said, “pat, you didn’t read my post correctly at all and your responses don’t make sense. Re-read what I wrote, and re-reply, then maybe I’ll bother responding to you”. Too bad I didn’t think of that earlier.

            – Honestly yours

          • pat s says:

            Mike D–I’ll make this simple b/c this intellectual, philisophical jargon you want throw at me is done. There is no more to say about that. For 7 years I have been hearing this argument you throw and Gainey threw, and for 7 years it shows that it doesn’t work. The problem is that you have slective priority over the data. We have this pretty boy system in Montreal and it doesn’t work We need to be more mean, more intense, and play with more anger and hatred. Players like Bieska, sorry Bieksa bring that element to the game.

            He was trade bait. Well, Vancouver is saying thank “thank the Lord” we didn’t trade him. Funny, last game, he played I think he played the most minutes of any other player, not bad for a low priority player according to you.

            You can use this passive aggressive approach all you want but at the end of the day, Montreal is playing your type of hockey and it is not working. I say give the fans that like in your face, mean, blue collar type of a hockey a chance b/c at the very least, we won’t feel like we are getting bullied in the schoolyard. It is not surprising that you don’t like a player like Bieksa b/c he doesn’t play your type of hockey.

            Now enjoy the game tonight and watch Bieska, sorry Bieksa play. Yes you can, if he has a bad game, you can come at me Mike D b/c I know if he does have good game, you will be hearing from me.

            ps–AK/plekanac would run for the hills before they would battle against Bieksa in front of the net. Look at the lineup these 4 teams have for crying out loud.

          • Mike D says:

            Once again pat, you completely misunderstood what I wrote, or just didn’t take the time to read it. I don’t know if you’re dense or just intentionally ignorant.

            I don’t dislike Bieksa at all nor do I care one way or the other what type of game he has. I think he’s a good player too but unlike you I’m not gonna put his poster on my wall and drool over it fantasizing about him in a Habs jersey and pretending he’s the saviour that will bring the cup back to Montreal.

            I also like in your face hockey and agree Montreal could use more of that. I don’t know how much clearer I can make that to you for you to understand.

            If you want to make yourself look like an idiot chasing me around HIO for every hit Bieksa makes, every blocked shot, or every point he gets, knock yourself out. I couldn’t care less about how he plays and I’m not gonna chase you around if he makes a bad play or if he has a bad game cuz I just don’t care. I’m a Habs fan – I don’t give a rats @$$ about the remaining 4 teams in the playoffs.

            You think Bieksa is the better player, I think Wiz is the better player. That’s all there is to it. You’re not much of a Habs fan though if you say things like our players would run for the hills at the thought of battling Bieksa in front of the net. That’s laughable. Gionta was there battling Chara, so I’m pretty sure Bieksa isn’t making anyone on our roster run for a damn thing. I think you seriously have an unhealthy obsession with this player.

            BTW, what “intellectual, philisophical jargon” was I throwing at you? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about, pat?

            – Honestly yours

          • pat s says:

            Mike D–I just got one thing to say–“I REST MY CASE”

            Mike D–you are so mad right now–I know it

            just kidding with you, hey at the end of the day we all want a cup in Montreal

            come on Mike D, we need to bring Bieksa to montreal–come on board

          • Mike D says:

            Pat, my friend, I’m not mad at all. Not sure why you would think that given my previous posts. You on the other hand, must be happier than a pig in poop and will likely have some sweet dreams tonight. As I said before, I couldn’t care less one way or the other how Bieksa plays, nor do I care about the 3 teams remaining in the playoffs. I can only cheer for the Habs. I hate Boston of course but that’s natural for a Habs fan, especially being that they eliminated us this year plus all the other shite that went down.

            Resting your case, as you put it, on a goal like that doesn’t alter my opinion of him. He was the only guy on the ice who knew where the puck was and only because it landed 2 feet beside him. I’ll give credit where it’s due, but even you know that was a fluke goal. Hell, Bieksa even admitted it in his interview with Freedman. I can’t really give him much credit for simply getting a puck on net – any pro should be able to do that with their eyes closed.

            For the record, I’m not against Bieksa coming to Montreal and I’ve already said that he’s a good player. The point I’ve been trying to make to you all day is that if it came down to Wiz or Bieksa, assuming similar salaries, I’d take Wiz in a heartbeat. His offensive upgrade more than compensates for the defensive advantage Bieksa offers. Bieksa is a bit grittier, but not substantially over Wiz.

            Anyways, enjoy your night.

            – Honestly yours

          • pat s says:

            Mike D–point taken

            see i just look at it different, it is not that i will escatic if any of these teams win but i like how these teams play, and yes, even boston–people call them dirty, goon team whatever, and the end of the day they are still in(i do believe however that series is not over)

            the habs need to get meaner and play with hatred in order to win–all these teams that are in play like that–the only way we can do that is to get players that play with attitude —i don’t like this lineup in montreal and the kind of hockey they play right now—-it doesn’t work

          • Mike D says:

            I agree our team could use more size and grit, but I don’t place the same importance on it you do. It’s hockey, not Friday night fights. There’s plenty of dirty/goonish/physical teams that have been eliminated from the playoffs (philly) and even more that didn’t make it (laffs). Look at Washington, they have size, skill, speed, and grit and they haven’t been able to get over the hump either.

            Boston is in the ECF this year and they are a goon team – you are correct. We were in the ECF last year and we’re not a goon team – also correct. Boston might still be in it, but let’s be honest and say that our series with them could have gone either way. I know they won and we lost and that’s really all that counts, but you can’t base an argument for goon hockey on that because we just as easily could have won that series. It was way to close to prove a point for either case.

            As for getting players who play with hatred, attitude and the other attributes you describe, I think this is a case of the grass is greener…itis. We lack overall toughness so some overcompensate by coveting toughness above all else. Players who play with too much emotion are also prone to losing their focus, letting agitators rattle them, taking stupid penalties and getting off their game. Now look at Cammy, he’s small and doesn’t bring any grit. You might call him a soft player. But, so far he’s proved he can score in the playoffs with the best of them. Now look at his game. Cool as a cucumber. He barely even celebrates when he scores…a couple small fist pumps, no smile.

            Again, I’m not totally disagreeing with you about our need for more grit, I’m just showing you the other side of the coin that gets overlooked too often. Now, players who hate to LOSE – that I can get down with.

            The way the Habs play right now could use a change. I definitely agree on that. Thing is, that comes from the coach, not the players. Protecting small leads for large periods of time in a game and just allowing the opposition to attack and attack is not something I enjoy. I hope JM can make the adjustment. I understand taking precautions when playing with a lead (IE, telling your D not to pinch), but we play too much on our heels when in that situation and I’m not a fan of that.

            – Honestly yours

  67. mrhabby says:

    Nucks have the killer instinct going on in there series..they should win tonight and send the sharks packing. Sedins are on a roll.
    The Bruins should win against the lightning if they play a solid road game. Thomas just has to make the saves at the right time.
    Setting up a nucks/bruins final with the nucks bringing the cup to Canada 1st time since 1993.

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    UFA d-men this year. Who would you target?

    Name Age Current salary

    Ed Jovanovski 34 $6,500,000
    Nicklas Lidstrom 40 $6,200,000
    Bryan McCabe 35 $5,750,000
    Andrei Markov 31 $5,750,000
    Roman Hamrlik 36 $5,500,000
    Scott Hannan 31 $4,500,000
    Eric Brewer 31 $4,250,000
    Tomas Kaberle 32 $4,250,000
    Joni Pitkanen 26 $4,000,000
    Kevin Bieksa 29 $3,750,000
    Sami Salo 35 $3,500,000
    James Wisniewski 26 $3,250,000
    Christian Ehrhoff 27 $3,100,000
    Ian White 26 $3,000,000

    • G-Man says:

      After Markov is signed, Bieksa will cash in for 6 or 6.5 per year, so my choice is Pitkanen. Solid Dman with puck moving skills and only 26/27.

      • nek25plus says:

        Habs fan…I’d go for Ehrhoff . We have other signings that we have to make…P.K, Price and Markov. All other d’s on your list are going to demand too much. And some are just plain bad…

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          How about Ian White? Always liked him even though he seems to have bounced around a lot. He would be cheaper than Ehrhoff or Bieksa and he can QB the PP.

          • TomNickle says:

            Ian White would be a welcome addition in my opinion. Plays bigger than he is and can produce at a highly effective level in the right situation. Very versatile.

          • nek25plus says:

            Sure white is very usefull. But I like Erhoff’s size a little better.

        • Mike D says:

          There’s no way VAN let’s Ehrhoff walk. If anything they will let Salo walk due to his age and injury history (and people think Markov is injury prone). The money they save on Salo plus the cap increase should be enough for them to re-sign Ehrhoff, Bieksa and a few forwards to fill out their bottom 6. All their other key pieces are already under contract for next year.

          – Honestly yours

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            It might depend on whether or not they win the cup. If they don’t they’ll definitely fell they need to take another run at it next year. They might then want to sign Bieksa and Ehrhoff.

          • Mike D says:

            @ HFS72:

            I don’t see why them winning or not winning the cup would make a difference in their approach. They’re not in the situation Chicago was in after they won where they had to have a fire sale to fit under the cap for the following season and lose key pieces like Ladd, Niemi, and Buff. The only way VAN doesn’t re-sign Ehrhoff and Bieksa is if they’re demands are too high, or if they choose to go to free agency and chase a bigger paycheck.

            Just because you win the cup one season, doesn’t mean you don’t care about winning or icing the best team you can the following season.

            – Honestly yours

    • mrhabby says:

      sign marky..thats about it.

      now if PG really has balls think about tendering an offer to an RFA forward.

    • TomNickle says:

      Assuming a Markov deal is imminent. I would target Wisniewski. He’s still young and brings versatility in that he can be an offensive weapon from the back and brings physicality and toughness. I don’t feel there’s a player in that list other than him who can bring that combination, and that inlcudes Bieksa who had the benefit of the Sedins and Kesler all season long.

      • HardHabits says:

        I agree. Wisniewski has already played as a Hab. We traded a 2nd round pick for him. Make that trade worth something.

        Could you imaging having Wiz, Marky, PK, Diaz Weber. The Habs would at that point only need to hire a slew of defence first forwards as all our goals will be coming or set -up from the blue line.

        Defence to score goals. Forwards to defend. That’s Habs hockey.

        It’s kind of like when Conan battled Captain America. Captain America used his shield as a weapon and invariably Conan used his sword as a shield.

        • TomNickle says:

          Well Gill will be back and Gorges is going to be in the lineup so I see the D corps including Markov, Wisniewski, Subban, Gill, Gorges, Yemelin and Spacek going into next season. The team does need for offense up front and I would dangle Weber and Pouliot as trade bait, and maybe even in a package. Many have said that Weber is part of the team’s long term plans but I’m seriously questioning that. With Klubertanz and Carle being very capable offensively, similar to Weber, why add Diaz if Weber is in your long term plans? I think it’s likely that Weber gets shopped this summer and that Pouliot is as good as gone with him. I would target Okposo, Setoguchi, Voracek and Oshie.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            I don’t see how we get anything for Pouliot and/or Weber that is better than Pouliot and/or Weber.

          • mrhabby says:

            BP is young and cheap. Not saying something is missing between his ears but young and cheap is todays NHL. We would be giving up on another young player.

          • TomNickle says:

            Pouliot was a 4th overall pick of the draft and has tons of skill. The right situation can have him produce top 6 forward numbers. Weber is a good player who I don’t think fits into the team’s plans anymore with the development of Subban and signing of Diaz. Weber has value, 4th overall picks with tons of skill have value too. It’s also worth noting that the Islanders have done their damndest to ensure that they lose. Why bring Okposo back if you’re Garth Snow? It runs counterproductive to your lose at all costs philosophy.

          • TomNickle says:

            Pouliot is a goner in Montreal for a number of reasons. There are some big problems when a player isn’t allowed to take pre-game warmups with the rest of the team when he’s scratched. Young and skilled and in a bad situation for his career. Moving on from him but getting something in return is a good move.

          • mrhabby says:

            you maybe right on BP. the vibes and play from him were all wrong as the season progressed and playoffs.

          • Mike D says:

            Setoguchi might be the only one available of those four players you mentioned and only because SJ is cap tight and have some players they need to resign, plus some players already signed to raises next year (Niemi).

            I like Voracek a lot though. Not only is he the biggest of that bunch at 6’2″ and 213lbs., but he’s also from Kladno, Czech which happens to be Pleky’s hometown. They could have nice chemistry together and Voracek is a natural RW I believe. Cammy – Pleks – Voracek could be a really nice line. I doubt Columbus lets him go though.

            – Honestly yours

      • mrhabby says:

        can PG afford a long term deal with wiz given Price and Subbans contract comes up soon…just saying.
        iam not sure PG wants so much coin tied up with the defence including wiz.
        the lack of offence and nastiness bugs the crap out of me.

        • TomNickle says:

          Yep. Spacek’s entering the final year of his contract, and you can just give his money to Subban. Moen’s in the final year of his deal($1.5 million annually) and you don’t need Gomez anymore, and certainly not beyond this season. Try to trade Gomez this or next off-season and if nobody bites on the big cap hit, but reasonable salary, demote him to get Price locked up long term.

          • Mike D says:

            While you are correct theoretically, Tom, you also have to consider leaving room to sign other players who might elevate their game. Eller comes up for contract the same time as PK and Carey. If he has a really good season, PG needs to have flexibility to give him a fair raise. Also, I’m assuming we will re-sign AK for 1 year, and while I don’t expect him to blow anyone away with his play, he just might since he’ll be a UFA after next season and will want to cash in. We may or may not keep him either way, but it would be good to have the option.

            Also, while I’m sure PG would never let Gomez’s contract stop the team from signing a franchise player, I would also say that demoting Gomez would be a move only made if his back is completey against the wall and is something he wants to avoid at all costs.

            – Honestly yours

    • Mattyleg says:

      I like Pitkanen.
      He’s solid, only -2 with the ‘Canes, gets around 30pts per year, and 130 blocked shots last year.
      And he’s 26.

      and Markov, obviously….

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Mike D says:

        Only thing about Pitkanen is that the ‘Canes will likely re-sign him. Also, Wiz might only cost about 1M more than Joni. Of course Joni brings more defensively, but if it’s only about a 1M difference, I’d rather have Wiz and pair him with someone like Gorges who can help cover for any defensive lapses. I also think Wiz would improve his defensive game if he stayed with us.

        – Honestly yours

    • habs03 says:

      Sign Markov, let Wiz sign with Det or the Rangers, and sign Jan Hejda.

    • Chris says:

      As described above, I’m looking farther down the list at Anton Babchuk from Calgary. 27 years old, $1,400,000.

  69. twocents says:

    Hey, where’s the poster that was going on about MAB being a more complete player since he is in Tampa?

    Same old MABstrosity. Down right MABelicious.

    Out of interest, the phenomena by which MAB looks more complete to some of you, is referred to as the “Grass is always greener…” effect.

    A ubiquitous influence within these cyber walls.

    • habs03 says:

      As good of a coach Boucher is, I just don’t understand why you play MAB but not use him on the first unit on the PP but instead plays Brewer.

  70. Ian Cobb says:


    I received two letters pertaining to our Annual Hockey Inside Out Fan Weekend Summit. One from Anna Gainey thanking us for our donation of $1200 again this past year to the Gainey Children’s Foundation. Hockey Inside Out Hab Fans have now raised over $5000 in total for this charity. We are a very generous group!

    I also received a letter from Reg Houle thanking us for our continued support. And that he will see us all at next years Summit

    And below I received a letter reminding us that the dates for our next years Summit will be out at the end of July. I will pick the best dates that gives us a game Friday at Hurley’s and Saturday at the Bell Center.
    (give me your suggestions, early in the season or later ?)

    So pay attention to the site so you do not miss out on 2011 Summit tickets that have to be paid and ordered well in advance.
    Some disappointed HIO people missed out on tickets last year because they were on summer vacation when we collected for the tickets and ordered them.

    Dave Stubbs told me he is going to line up some players to hang out with us this year.

    I will repost this a few more times so more people will be informed.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,

    On behalf of the entire Canadiens organization, I would like to thank you for your support during this past hockey season. Gathering a group of fans for a game at the Bell Centre requires a lot of time on the part of the group organizer. To that end, your involvement is greatly appreciated.

    Though our playoff run was unfortunately too short, it was nevertheless exciting from start to finish. Pierre Gauthier and his team are already planning for next season and we feel we can build on a solid core of promising young players and talented veterans.

    At the end of July, we will forward to you the official home game calendar for the 2011-12 season and all the details regarding group sales and our ice rental programs. The information will also be available at the same time on our Web site, canadiens.com.

    I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a great summer – I’m looking forward to seeing you in September. Until then, please do not hesitate to communicate with me or our group sales team.


    Pierre Constant
    Director, Group Sales

    • HardHabits says:

      Hey Ian. How many more times are you going to publish this 2011 SUMMIT INFORMATION as a comment? We’ve all read it 1000 times. Maybe you should be a little less repetitive, like me. 🙂

      Now onto the debate. The Habs need more size and grit. They wont win more games unless they score more goals 5 on 5. To win the Cup they have to finish in the top 5 over-all. If they can’t make it there in the next few years they need to rebuild via the draft and tank for a few years.

      See Ian. That’s how you post something that’s both provocative and original.

      • punkster says:

        Ian’s repetitive posting of the 2011 Summit info is far more informative than your version of Herman’s Hermits “I’m Henry the Eighth”.
        Ooops…forgot to add the 😉

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • since1988 says:

      I got to attend this at some point

      “I savour it every day, sometimes before practice I’m skating around and I’ll look at the logo on my jersey – I’m playing for the Canadiens!”
      – Mathieu Darche

  71. HabinBurlington says:

    A 3Million$ cap increase would be really good for Montreal (and all the rest of the wealthy teams in the NHL, ie Leafs, Rangers, Philly, Detroit etc…). But this gives us a little more room for maybe a big forward and Wiz.

    Most importantly this may help in the potential trade of Gomez, provided he doesn’t show us something new this fall. Higher floor for teams like Florida, Nashville, Columbus, Dallas, and we may find somebody looking for 7.5 in cap hit for a 4-5 mill annual payout come trade deadline time. Heck maybe even Spacek becomes a little more attractive during the season if our D line is healthy.

    Anybody but Boston…. please!

    • G-Man says:

      If this place isn’t Brucking Fuins Inside/Out, it’s Gomez Inside/Out.
      It’s a crime in the age of the internet for a player to have a poor season. The incessant whining makes this place tougher and tougher to visit.

      • Clay says:

        Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

        The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

        • G-Man says:

          Same to you, and may it leave you buttless.

        • TomNickle says:

          Clay, he’s as entitled to bitch about the posters who go on about Gomez as the people who bitch about Gomez are. You know this.

          I wouldn’t mind if the team traded Gomez, I wouldn’t mind if they kept him. The only problem that I have with the let’s get rid of Gomez mob is the correlation people seem to place with Gomez and team success. And to make my point about not caring whether or not Gomez stays, we have Desharnais and Eller who can ably fill his spot in the lineup. He doesn’t need to produce specific statistics for this team to be successful. Better contributions from him would certainly help, but they aren’t essential to the team becoming a contender. Blaming one man for a Cup drought is naive.

          • Clay says:

            Of course he is – I never said he wasn’t entitled to his (stupid) opinion. You may have noticed that I defend anyone’s right to free speech. I’ve even defended you a few times Tom, despite our history of bickering. I’ve even defended that asshat Tony, much as I loathe his foolishness.
            However, Gomez is atrocious, and he (Gomez) is much more annoying than those calling out Gomez.
            Seriously – Gomez needs to leave. If he was any kind of an honourable person, he would just retire. After issuing a public apology. He’s as useful as BGL was in his last season here. But gets paid considerably more – than anyone else on the team. If people want to harp on that, they also have a right.
            The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

          • Praj12 says:

            Clay is obviously an idiot.

          • HardHabits says:

            What are you talking about? Gomez repeats his season and the Habs will end up 11th to 20th again. You think last season was bad? Next season it’s going to be all Gomez all the time. If he doesn’t start producing from square one the Bell Centre crowd are going to boo him whenever he touches the puck. That’s nothing to say about how many I-told-you-so’s we’ll be reading from SmartDog and Chris.

          • TomNickle says:

            HH, there are so many things that make Gomez’s offensive production a non factor. Eller and Desharnais’ development being at the forefront. The second is that the team didn’t lose in the playoffs due to Gomez’s inability to generate offense. His cap hit is a burden and his sub par play is disappointing, but statistical standards for him over the course of a season aren’t the difference between one playoff round and four playoff rounds. He could be put on the fourth line, still count against the cap and others can step up and do his job. Therefore, his production, or lack thereof, is a non factor in terms of contender status.

          • HardHabits says:

            @TomNickle: I think the issue is JM and to a lesser extent management’s (read BG) attempts at placating the fans. You and I both would elevate DD and Eller to play more minutes. I would also go further and play Gomez as a checking centre and give him Pyatt and Moen as wingers.

            Not JM. Nope. He’s going to try every line combo and move every winger onto Gomez’ side in an attempt to justify his pay check. If you want to look at the reason for Gomez’ bad season you need look no further than the great enabler Jacques Martin.

          • TomNickle says:

            @ HH Re: Gomez.

            There are a number of reasons Gomez hasn’t been humiliated like that yet, and I’m not saying that I agree with them. But sending him down to be a checking centreman sends a message to the young players like Eller and Desharnais that offensive production is the only thing that matters. Gomez made his share of defensive mistakes this season and certainly wasn’t as good in that department as he’s been in prior years but those mistakes were magnified a thousand times due to his lack of offensive production. It was as if everyone with a microphone was ready to pile on and make it even worse than it was. I’m not defending Gomez, I’m just giving you what my thoughts would be if I were Martin. If you take those minutes away from Gomez, he can’t get back on track and you may not like the message it sends to your young players(who apparently he was doing a great job of mentoring). So you want those players to respect him, you want to give him an opportunity to get back on track and you want the responsibility in his hands instead of the hands of the rookies. And as a side to that big spiel I would also add that I read close to zero complaints about Gomez’s game when Pacioretty was on his left wing, but that’s another story. If I’m Martin, or Gauthier for that matter, I need Gomez to succeed, not for my team to enter the playoffs with the centreman that I thought I was trading for, but because I can’t sell low with Gomez. When the time comes that he gets traded, and that will happen, he needs to have had a good season, or have been playing well for a while to get the best possible return. Sending him to the third or fourth line doesn’t put you in a position to do that.

          • Chris says:

            Hey, HardHabits…I’ve refrained from I-told-you-so’s about Gomez. Hell, I was even defending him in the second half of this season.

            I’ve never denied that I couldn’t stand the guy even when he was a top NHL player. But I do agree with you…he’s the 2011-12 Carey Price: if he gets off to a good start, all will be forgiven. But if he gets off to a bad start, that will be all she wrote for him in Montreal.

        • HabsFan2 says:

          Hmm, what happened to letting people post their opinions, Clay?

          RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

      • HabinBurlington says:

        For what it is worth G-man, I didn’t bitch all season about Gomez. I actually hope he comes back this next season and plays like he did in New Jersey. I think he has that capability. But he didn’t play like that all season, and he certainly didn’t raise his game in the playoffs either. I do believe having a full season with Max Pac and Gionta will help things. But if he doesn’t improve this year the reality is the team has to look at all of its options. My only point was simple, more teams will have a problem hitting the NHL salary cap floor.

        I realize some people have really gone on about Gomez, but i was merely making a point.

        Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

      • HardHabits says:

        You post incessantly and I still keep coming back. We’re Habs fans. We are proverbial suckers for punishment. It comes after decades of having to cheer for a mediocre and small, defence oriented team that either misses the play-offs every season or gets tossed unceremoniously once they get there.

        BTW. The Habs need more offence.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        you forgot the s at the end of season

    • habs03 says:

      I think Gomez is a Hab for more season, his salary doesn’t go down until next year. I think with the cap increase, it just means the demand of the players go up, so Wiz is going to ask for 5M (I think Wiz is going to sign with Det or the Rangers), and Markov will get at least his 5.75 current salary.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        If Winnipeg gets a team Detroit could be in our Division. That will make it pretty tough> I am sure the teams in the West would love to see Detroit go back to the East

        • Chris says:

          Detroit is perched on the edge of a deep precipice that has been coming for some time. Long-term contracts and limited draft picks in recent years are going to haunt that team very, very soon.

          With Rafalski retiring and Lidstrom potentially going as well, the Red Wings are MUCH less formidable.

          • HardHabits says:

            Yes but after a few years of bottom feeding they’ll be back on top.

          • Chris says:

            Maybe they get back…their draft record isn’t as awesome as many believe.

            They essentially won the lottery twice in very short-order with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I would put the odds as “very long” against them finding yet another superstar that low in the draft.

            Where “very long” is something like the odds of Tom Pyatt becoming a 50 goal scorer in the NHL.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Just think with the addition of Winnipeg possibly the cap will be even higher next year.

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