Will 2015 be the year Habs end Stanley Cup drought?

It has been 21 years – and counting – since the Canadiens last won the Stanley Cup.

They came within two wins of making it to the Stanley Cup final last season, losing the Eastern Conference final to the New York Rangers in six games, so the expectations will be high for Habs fans heading into the 2014-15 campaign.

The Canadiens were the focus of the NHL.com 30 Teams in 30 Days feature series on Aug. 21, with Arpon Basu, the managing director of LNH.com, posing five questions heading into the new season:

1. Who will fill the leadership void?

2. Who will grab the available spot among the top nine forwards?

3. What will be the impact of Andrei Markov and P.K. Subban playing together full time?

4. Who will claim the sixth defence spot?

5. Will the power play improve?

“I like the progression of our team, I like the direction our team is taking,” coach Michel Therrien says in the NHL.com feature package. “We had an enormous challenge when we arrived here two years ago, but I like the commitment and the way things have gone so far. But we haven’t reached the goal yet.”

Will 2015 be the year?

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Near miss leads to greater expectations for Canadiens, NHL.com






  1. petefleet says:

    This how I’d like to see at least one exhibition game look or the first game against TO. Interchange the first line right winger but at some point if Chucky is ever going to reach his potential, it will be playing his natural position and who better to get the fruit of that than a 39 goal scorer. The rest are chess pieces that will move theoughout the year anyway for various reasons. Hell, if Playoff Bourque shows up at training camp, he could be on the first line. I just want to see DD out of there (I’m not a hater) so Max can have a real first line centre.

    DD-Eller- Bourque

    Extra: Bournival/Moen


    Extra: Tinordi/Pateryn


    “There is no blog more boring than the one where everybody agrees with you.”
    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

  2. EL_PRESEDENTE says:

    Had a month of centre ice for free! and nothing else comes close IMO.

    If you are crazy, you can be discharged from the army. But you have to apply for the discharge, and applying demonstrates that you are not crazy. As a result, you will not be discharged.

  3. Timo says:

    So I got a one week subscription to hockeystreams… watching game 7 Habs Bruins (can’t get enough of wee Davey)… It’s HDish quality on the laptop but airplaying to the big screen is definitely doesn;t look HD… especially when the game is in motion. But it’s acceptable… after about 15 minutes I am pretty much used to it.

    Stream has been steady with no interruption or buffering issues. Get 3 choices for feed: NBC, CBC and RDS. Quality wise they are the same.

    So… provided hockeystreams doesn’t get busted I might go this route for the next season. If they do… ah well… I will have lost $99 dollars to the guys who had good intentions.

    Edit: forgot to add that this is as close to PVR as you can get. Allows you to skip, fast forward and rewind. Pretty nice if not for totally HD quality.

  4. Marc10 says:

    Just a question on Nygren. Is he coming to camp this year? I would assume as a prospect in Montréal’s Dmen hierarchy, this is it. Everyone knows he has a Sheldon like cannon. That’s a gift. Even if you cannot play D, you can have an impact and stay in the show provided you’re used as a specialist (see MAB).

    I recall a report out of camp last go round that he corked one from beyond the blue line and put it under the crossbar and Price didn’t move. I mean that’s just silly. You’d hope that ability alone would get a long look at camp as a crazy hard shot doesn’t require any traffic in front (something our Habs struggle with…)

    For years we had a dominant powerplay and with the exception of Kovy, it relied on a point man with a near off the charts slapper. Souray, MAB, Streit… Everyone of those guys playing with General Markov (who would often sneek in down low to mix it up) . Seems like teams have adjusted to PK and we’re struggling to play the puck near the goal line. If we’re going to improve our PP, why not bring back the nuclear option with Nygren? Playing with PK, I could see a double bomb threat from the point that would be nearly impossible to contain… Provided the kid is legit of course.

    • Phil C says:

      The use of a specialist only makes sense to me if you don’t have a better option for your 12th forward or 6th defensemen. You are essentially commiting to only playing 3 lines or 5 D for most of the game. For the Habs, they have enough depth that they have the option to roll 4 lines and 3 defense pairings. And the coaching staff has shown their preference for this type of approach to managing ice time so I don’t see a place on the Habs for a specialist if he can’t take a regular shift.

      I think back of when the Habs were using Weber as a specialist for the PP and thinking Martin was trying so hard to make silk from a sow’s ear because he didn’t have a complete team to work with. Considering his 4th line options at the time, usinh Weber made sense. Thank God those days are behind us.

      • on2ndthought says:

        JM will always be too conservative in my books, but that is a fair point. In Ottawa, he had Lalime in nets, and while here, talent got pretty thin, pretty fast.

        “a cannonading drive”

  5. HardHabits says:

    Here’s the projected Bulldogs line-up for the upcoming 2014-15 season… if anybody’s interested.

  6. B says:

    Microsoft translation of a Swedish interview with Nygren:


    –Go Habs Go!–

    • on2ndthought says:

      Is it really that bad in Hamilton? Did Nygren run into bad luck in his residence?

      The statement about ‘partying’ seems a little worrisome, even if Markus is coming off as a prima donna.

      “a cannonading drive”

  7. mahabs4life says:

    It has been reported on another Habs site that Scott Moore of Rogers NHL Properties says an important announcement will be made on Sept 3 regarding the Habs TV coverage.

  8. Chris says:

    So Brian Leetch is touting Ryan McDonagh as the next captain of the Rangers. I could easily see that happening. One of the reasons Timmins was so high on McDonagh as a prospect was his leadership.

    If McDonagh were still in Montreal, I have a strong suspicion he would be the first choice after Markov to be the next captain of the Habs. With Koivu now likely gone from the NHL, McDonagh becomes my second favourite non-Hab after Chris Higgins. I love his game…elite skater, elite defender, and far more offence at the NHL level than anybody ever dreamed possible.

    • HardHabits says:

      Wound meet salt.

      • Chris says:

        Meh…I don’t see it as a wound anymore. It was a stupid trade, but it was 5 years ago.

        I see it as a good challenge for P.K., having a remarkably similar defenceman battling him for league supremacy at the position.

        Subban is 6’0″, 217 pounds.
        McDonagh is 6’1″, 213 pounds.

        Both are phenomenal skaters. Both can throw punishing hits.

        Subban notched 10 goals and 53 points in 82 games, while McDonagh scored 14 goals and 43 points in 77 games.

        In all reality, there probably wasn’t room on the team for both of them, as they are both top-2 right defencemen. So I’m looking at the silver lining, that McDonagh will force the hyper-competitive Subban to continue to improve his all-around game.

    • CJ says:

      My appreciation of McDonaugh grows each time I watch him play. He was easily the best player against the Habs. Scary to think he’s only getting better….

    • Chris says:

      Interesting that there was no mention of coaching deficiencies in that article. Because when a team loses 4 straight the way the Sharks did, I think some of the spotlight should be shone on the coaching staff.

      Stripping Marleau and Thornton of their official leadership responsibilities kind of strikes me as a diversion for Todd McLellan.

      I found Robinson’s reasoning to be a bit of a stretch. Younger players were put off by Thornton’s sense of humour? Give me a break.

      As Price said, the letters on the front of a few shirts don’t actually matter in the dressing room. There is a cadre of leaders on the Sharks, and they ALL failed. Marleau and Thornton are walking the plank, but the blame rests just as equally on the shoulders of Pavelski, Vlasic and Couture.

      • scamorza says:

        Chris, I wrote awhile ago that probably missing Vlasic to injury was probably a prime reason , along with sucky golatending for their collapse. So as much as I agree that the blame should be equally shared, don’t think you can put Vlasic in this equation

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        If Thornton’s sense of humor goes to the abusive side when in comes to young and rookie players then I could see it. There used to be a strong culture of “hazing” type rituals in sports, it is fading but if that is what is being referred to as Thornton’s humor, then maybe?

    • habitual says:

      Thanks for the link, but I think I am losing my religion with Robinson. I have felt that he would have been great for our young D trying to crack the line up, and remember Willie Mitchell raving about how good a coach he was in NJ.

      But, his comment about SJ “never should have lost to LA” sounds like the same bitter arrogance as when as NJ’s coach who lost in the Cup finals saying the better team lost, when Colorado beat them in 2001.

  9. DipsyDoodler says:

    One thing to remember about the Nygren “analysis” from Robert Rice on EOTP is that he hasn’t seen him play much at all. I’d be surprised if he’s even seen him live more than once or twice (if that).

    It is like the Apple commercial where PC (John Hodgeman) describes his holiday using a pie chart.



    • twilighthours says:

      Another thing to keep in mind is that (and this will read meanly but it’s not meant this way) he just started following hockey in 2009. I think that inexperience is relevant.

      • CJ says:

        Doesn’t stop him from lending an opinion though. I laughed out loud regarding his description of Rob Ramage as a “face puncher.” The kid gets an A for continually towing the same line, but his knowledge of the game is seriously lacking.

    • Chris says:

      One thing I would like to see from the people on the web is some sort of prediction, along the lines of what we see at Hockey’s Future, for the players they are evaluating.

      Hockey’s Future is often derided these days because their predictions don’t work out. I give them credit, however, for actually putting their money where their mouth is, which is exactly what gets them into trouble.

      Reading some prospect reports, the evaluations come across a little cookie-cutteresque: every guy appears to have top-6 potential, and they are all going to make it. We of course know that this is far from reality. Even some of the top prospects don’t come close to achieving their potential ceiling.

      The Hockey’s Future system is actually not bad: the number is the potential ceiling, while the letter is what they think the probability of that player achieving their potential actually is.

      • CJ says:

        I couldn’t agree more Chris. People, myself included, are often wrong having made a prediction or going out on a limb. It’s so easy to second guess others, while never laying out the groundwork for an idea themselves. People bash Therien, but never lent an opinion of who they would have hired in his place. My personal favorite, drafting. It’s easy now to look back and say we should have grabbed Giroux instead of Fisher. Did anyone say that at the time?

      • HabFab says:

        Prospects are “suspect” until after they force themselves into the NHL.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        I really like Hockey’s Future. They’re rate of accuracy is no better than the GM’s who do the drafting, at best, but it’s a good read. I guess with prospects we always have to remember that the predictions that anyone makes for them, is a best case scenario for that player.

  10. hardrockhab says:

    I sent an e-mail to Liberty TV.ca questioning if their Prometheus would allow me access to French language channels. This was the response,
    “TVA is on there. I am assuming you want to watch the habs?
    You can get every habs game on Prometheus. Actually, you get every hockey game period, home or away feed. The broadcast quality for Hockey is 720p.”

    Adam Phillips
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/prometheushtpc
    Twitter: @GetXbmc

    Never own a pet you can’t BBQ

  11. HabFab says:

    Darren Dreger

    Checked in with all 30 teams. 28 responded, acknowledging analytics use ranging from 1-10 yrs. Only 1 of the 28 admitted minimal use.

    • twilighthours says:


      My family member with Tampa said that there’s a guy working with Stevie Y, travels with the team, and has his reports in Yzerman’s hands at the end of every game. I said, “so when Yzerman gathers his inner circle to talk about the players, is this analytics guy one of them?” and the response was “Yzerman has already talked to the analytics guy before he meets with the others.”

      Fascinating, eh?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “Only 1 of the 28 admitted minimal use.”




  12. UKRAINIANhab says:

    I know this is off topic…whatever bite me.


    Watch the whole video if you get time

    Ukrainian Dare devil “mustang wanted”. This guy deserves way more attention than he gets worldwide…

    • HabFab says:

      SOB… post a warning for those suffering from vertigo!!

    • twilighthours says:

      Yo get off the internet and get outside and walk the streets. It’s about 11:30 there, right? A bottle of wine and a little sidewalk cafe or park and you’re golden.

      Did you get to the catacombs?

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        Aha that was last night. Paris around midnight is beautiful. Getting ready to take a nice nap, head on out to Notre Dame in the morning (the wife not being from Kyiv wants to see a church as if I haven’t seen one..yawn)

        As for the catacombs, I have it all set up for Sunday with an old friend. 2 am. We are going in deep, excited and slightly nervous at the same time, lol.

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    On a Friday afternoon, here is a complete diversion from hockey, and just a pretty cool video to watch.


  14. bwoar says:

    RE Nygren.

    From EOTP:

    “Given his limited defensive value but his high offensive value, you can read Nygren as an offensive specialist, perhaps ideally deployed like Torey Krug is in Boston, taking as many offensive zone starts as possible versus weaker opposition to exploit his talents. Nygren’s talents make him a third-pairing/powerplay specialist and he should be considered as such. However, when the objective of the game is to score goals, Nygren is far more capable than a ‘defensive specialist’ who lacks puck skills to effectively contribute. ”

    This last part kills me. It’s a judgment call to base analysis on. Previous winners of this contest include Diaz, Raphael and Weber, Yannick.

    There are a few important defensive assets an NHL has to display regularly:

    – controlling the gaps
    – coming up with the puck / winning puck battles in your own zone
    – gaining and holding net position in your own zone (if not outright clearing)
    – accurately moving the puck / making the outlet pass to an open winger
    – neutral zone transitioning from offense to defense is instinctual (plain ol reading the play)

    Pretty basic stuff and many of you could enumerate these things better than I could.

    When it comes to Nygren (or any “PMD” or “offensive defensemen”), they need to be able to cover these basics. I HATE, and never, ever want to have to sit though watching so-called defensemen who can’t defend. The M-A Burgertrons of the world. Because they may help the powerplay, but will make you weaker 5 on 5, where most of the game is won and lost. Certainly most of a playoff series. It always makes me howl when I read stupidity like “the objective of the game is to score goals” to justify a defenseman being a poor defender. It’s a completely moronic justification and the proof is right out there on the ice night in and night out.

    If Nygren really is a defensively-liable PMD topping out on a third pairing, let’s not waste our time on him and please put Pateryn in the role on the right side so see if he’s a more capable defender.

    • HardHabits says:

      At least Diaz got us something in return. Who knows? Maybe somewhere a GM reads EOTP and will trade a player of value for Nygren. LOL!!!

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would take what EOTP wrote with a grain of salt. From what I have read about Nygren, he can have a bit of an edge and he did win best defenceman in the league, two seasons back.

      He may very well be mediocre on the defensive side, but I would rather see for myself. You can’t teach skill and attitude, you can teach systems and defence!


      • HardHabits says:

        Nygren doesn’t make this list’s top 10.

        1. Jacob De La Rose, LW
        How acquired: 2nd round (No. 34), 2013 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2015-16

        2. Nikita Scherbak, RW
        How acquired: 1st round (No. 26), 2014 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2016-17

        3. Jiri Sekac, LW
        How acquired: Signed as a free agent, July 1, 2014
        Projected NHL arrival: 2014-15

        4. Michael McCarron, RW
        How acquired: 1st round (No. 25), 2013 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2016-17

        5. Zachary Fucale, G
        How acquired: 2nd round (No. 36), 2013 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2017-18

        6. Charles Hudon, C
        How acquired: 5th round (No. 133), 2012 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2015-16

        7. Sven Andrighetto, RW
        How acquired: 3rd round (No. 86), 2013 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2015-16

        8. Tim Bozon, LW
        How acquired: 3rd round (No. 64), 2012 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2015-16

        9. Artturi Lehkonen, LW
        How acquired: 2nd round (No. 55), 2013 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2016-17

        10. Dalton Thrower, D
        How acquired: 2nd round (No. 51), 2012 draft
        Projected NHL arrival: 2015-16

      • bwoar says:

        You have a point, and I do want to see him for myself. I just loathe the excuses for when a defender is poor at…. defending!

        HH’s list is one thing, I see HF also has him down a ways on the D-prospect list too. I’m a little surprised that more observers aren’t higher on him – I have to conclude that winning the ‘best Swedish defensemen’ trophy is like winning the ‘Kiss Your Sister’ award in magnitude.

        The thing about teaching systems and defense, is that at 24 years old, and with a successful career in Sweden, there is absolutely no impetus to learn or grow. I think that was part of his problem with Hamilton – he considered it a perfunctory penitence rather than an opportunity to adapt. If he’s having success already playing “his” game, why change?

        I think he’ll fall into one of 3 scenarios:
        1) back to Sweden
        2) bottom-pairing on a crap D-squad like EDM or VAN
        3) top 4, having improved his game

        This got me a bit off track, the thing I most responded to was the idea that “the objective of the game is to score goals” so as a defender you can be excused of your inability to prevent them.

        • Habfan17 says:

          You make some good points, especially with his age and comfort level in Sweden. Defencemen do tend to come into their own a bit later than forwards, so I hope he really turns heads in camp, even if it is for a trade.


        • HardHabits says:

          His attitude speaks volumes. I’d like to hear him say he’d play in Hamilton rather than threaten to go to Sweden or demand to be traded. If he can dominate there he’d really deserve an NHL look.

          Players make the decision to play by their play on the ice, not by their comments to the press.

    • New says:

      The Canadiens were fourth in the League in penalty killing last year. The Canadiens were 19th in powerplay. The Canadiens were 14th in plus minus (even strength ratio).

      That means the PK was fine, even really good. Be still my heart. That means the PP sucked, they shouldn’t have been in the playoffs. That means the team was average, middle of the 30 team pack, playing even up.

      So the team dumped the #3D by minutes who played the most shorthanded for a draft choice and overpaid the #2D who played the least shorthanded but the most PP. So much for stats.

      The team either has to remain strong on the PK, get a lot better on the PP, and stay even or a bit better at 5-5; or the team has to get way better 5-5.

      Oddly enough people will tell you the Habs PP is great. Go figure.

    • twilighthours says:

      I really like your post. I agree with a lot of it. I think a defenseman’s top job is to regain and advance the puck. As we know, there are a lot of ways to accomplish this, and a lot of smaller, building block skills required to regain and then advance the puck.

      So Nygren’s got a big shot. That’s great. I love that fact. But if he can’t take a regular and responsible 5 on 5 shift then that makes him a PP specialist. And if he’s a PP specialist then we either a) have big, big problems when he’s on the ice 5v5 or b) we need to play Subban and Gilbert a lot more at 5v5.

      I haven’t seen much but to me he looks like he’ll be a trainwreck in his own end. Think MA Bergeron (sorry Timo) or Yannick Weber.

      Mind you, there’s a cost-benefit analysis to be done. If he makes our PP x% more effective, is it worth rolling with him even though he makes our 5v5 y% less effective?

      Keep in mind the EOTP values more easily quantifiable things like goals and shots vs what we consider the character and intangibles. Further, there is a philosophical shift among analytics guys to not separate defense from offense, i.e. if you’re good at offense then you’re by default good/adequate/not bad at defense by the sheer fact that you’re keeping the puck away from the other team. So EOTP would value Nygren more than Thrower or Deitz or even Pateryn.

      One thing is clear: a few years ago, a player like Nygren (Weber) would have played 60ish games for us. Now he’s fighting for the 7th spot. So it’s nice to see how we’ve imrpoved and how much depth we have. I think another poster alluded to this earlier.

      (personally, I don’t love the prospect. I’ve been burned too many times on the Bergeron, Weber, Diaz types)

    • CH Marshall says:

      What’s interesting Imo is that the view about “scoring goals” is widely used to describe Subban and more specifically his “defensive weaknesses”. Alright he makes mistakes, who doesn’t?.. But when it comes to those points you listed, he showed he could easily perform well in those areas, especially during the playoffs. For lack of a better cliche, when he “kept his game simple”, he was at least a step ahead of the opposition especially thanks to his tremendous skating and good vision.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Strictly speaking, the “object of the game” is not to score goals, it is to outscore your opponent. May seem like a trivial difference, but it is a critical one when evaluating a player and a team. For myself, I’d like to see Nygren traded as I would have at least 3 young defensemen ahead of him.

  15. AliHaba says:

    In the players under the radar file:-
    Mac Bennett. The ex-University of Michigan captain is a world class skater with an excellent shot. An under-sized defender at 6’0″ 182 lbs. who could fill out to 200. The Habs have so many excellent prospects, don’t they?

  16. DipsyDoodler says:

    On the issue of Nygren and character. What is character?

    Doing as your told by the organization (stay in Hamilton) or doing what you want (go back to Sweden)?

    Do we value paying your dues? Dancing to the tune of your own drummer? Being a team player? Thinking outside the box? A diamond in the rough? Taking one for the team? Leaving it all out on the ice?

    (Sorry I just received The Oxford Dictionary of Clichés for my birthday. It’s a veritable treasure trove.)



    • habcertain says:

      Playing against elite talent in Sweden could not stunt his potential Vs playing in Hamilton, it should not be held against him, he wanted to play in the NHL or closer to an environment that is his home. Quite common for international players.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Nygren is doing the same thing Emelin did and yet too many here are ready to crucify him for it. If he is ready this season to stay in Montreal great! If not, let him play back in Sweden against men in a better league than the AHL and play Gilbert. Then see what happens next season.


      • B says:

        I don’t remember Emelin coming over and then bailing on the AHL team to run back home.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • Habfan17 says:

          Neither did Nygren. He came to training camp, did not make the club and with the teams blessing went back to play in Sweden. Emelin just did not come over! He stayed in the KHL. I suppose Nygren could have done the same thing and never come to training camps. Cudos to him that he did to see how close he was to making the team. He has done nothing wrong!


    • HabFab says:

      Happy unbirthday to you!

    • twilighthours says:

      Man I wouldn’t go play in siberia when I could play in my own back yard

  17. bwoar says:

    I think DD hits 60 points this coming year. So, there’s that. It’s not a Cup, but, nothing else is.

    • shiram says:

      He certainly can do it, he was pretty much on fire after the 20 or so first games.
      Secondary scoring will be very important though.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      He’ll also hit 60 H I/O comments stating you can’t win the cup with him on your team.

      Some time in late Sept. I think.



      • habcertain says:

        Not as a number 1 center, it needs to be Chucky’s job, that is what he was drafted for, the question is can DD play effectively with anyone else besides Max.

        • bwoar says:

          I guarantee you 100% that DD can play with anyone and be effective. Importantly, his most useful talents are best taken advantage of by a quality goalscorer.

          He ain’t gonna make Bourque a 27 goal scorer overnight, but put him out there with, say, the two Gallys and he’d still be a threat every shift.

          If he didn’t win you over during the Boston series, then he never will.

          Also, don’t get too hung up on Galchenyuk as a #1 centre. It may never happen.

          • habcertain says:

            I agree, jury still out on Chucky, but we drafted him to a number 1, needs the opportunity, and not the 5 game, made a mistake back to the 3rd line approach. A real shot.

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          Why does everyone assume Chucky is supposed to be a centre when he has been a winger most of his career, both NHL and junior?

    • krob1000 says:

      60 should definitely be an expected total if he gets his top line role again and top pp unit. Inf act I would say clsoer to 70 should be the bar if he maintains that role for a whole season.

    • Habfan17 says:

      He should be able to if he does not have a prolonged slump like last season. It will be even easier if he and Patches form chemistry with Parenteau. Having a guy that is capable of popping goals should help take some attention from Patches and it gives DD two players to feed.


  18. krob1000 says:

    Who are the 5 worst players the Habs can possibly trot out this year?
    Lte’s say the other team has line chang eand they see this as their golden opprtunity…who are those 5 guys?

    Now look back a year and say who the 5 guys are you would not want on the ice as a HAb fan but would want onthe ice if youw ere the opposition?

    Personally I think there is a pretty big diference and in a good way.

  19. AliHaba says:

    In the records that will never be broken file:-
    Henri Richard’s eleven Stanley Cups. The Pocket Rocket owns the most important record of all-time.

  20. DipsyDoodler says:

    Out of solidarity with our members west of the Great Divide I’m cancelling my Rogers cell phone service next month.



    • Paz says:

      Call Telus, great deals!

      • bandaide says:

        Sorry Paz im on telus with work in ndg i walk into my house and find a brick in my pocket my daughter with rogers can phone from the basement too many dead spots sorry dood telus sux when u need it most see i think fido uses same towers as rogers I would rather have a useful phone than not regardless that Rogers should burn in hell unless they change

  21. HardHabits says:

    Markov has made every partner (with the exception of Emelin) better than he actually was just for playing along side him. Think Gorges and of course Komisarek.

    Now I am not even going to duck for this one. Imagine how good Subban will be just for being Markov’s partner. It’s no secret why they signed Markov.

    Yes. I am saying that Markov will make Subban a better player, not the other way around.

    Before the Subbanites voice their collective rampage know that this FACT bodes well for the Habs and their fans.

    Don’t get me wrong… Subban is light years ahead and better than Gorges or Komisarek. That’s just the point. Markov finally gets a potential all world partner to the benefit of both. See Markov’s numbers improve as well. Okay maybe a bit of you scratch my numbers and I’ll scratch yours.

    I remember when even Berkshire conceded that I was correct when I suggested that we Habs fans would be drooling at the prospect of Subban and Markov as the number 1 defensive pairing.

    Well ladies and germs. We has arrived.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Subban makes every one of his partners better too. We’ve seen Subban Markov together during most of the lockout season. They’re one of the best tandems in the league. Markov playing 25 mins a night with Emelin vs. with Subban is a huge difference, he’ll have less wear and tear.

      Gotta swap out Subban in Markovs spot on the PK though. No pt in overextending him.

      Love these two.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

      • shiram says:

        Have to agree that playing tough penalty kill on Markov is not a great idea, and that Subban should be able to take that load.

        And as for an ES pairing of Markov/Subban, of course it makes sense, they are our only D that are clear top pairing material.

    • krob1000 says:

      I showed the stats the other day by month for when they played together last year and the difference was staggering…

      For OCt-Dec when they played together (don;t know exact game they switched but this is by month)
      Subban from Oct-Dec was plus 9 and had 29 pts in months with Markov….
      Without Markov as his partner he was minus 14 from Jan-April and scored 23 pts.

      The problem with this duo was it left half the game where the Canadiens had NO puck mover to get the forwards the puck…so as a forward if you were on the ice when they weren’t you were pretty well screwed offensively. THis premise is the main reason I believe the team will fare so much better offesnively this year. No Murray and Gorges or even Bouillon means guys who can move the puck out trouble in a hurry and forwards will not always be stopped and it should lead to better tranistion…transition is basically the key to 5 on 5 offense. You can have all the skill in the world but how fast you get the puck and how much time and speed you have when you receive it are huge factors. Puck movers create time and space and it is an underappreciated stat….this is a big part of Markov’s value…when he goes back for a puck the other team still has to defend all the way to their blueline….when Murray or Gorges got the puck? defend the walls and hashmarks and you have the HAbs hemmed in.

    • Forum Dog says:

      I’m completely on-board with this post. I think the signing of Gilbert lets them realistically consider playing Markov and Subban together, which has the potential to be a great top-pairing. In fact, I believe it was a great top-pairing to start the year last year (or was it 2012-13?). And yeah, at this stage of their respective careers, Markov does make Subban better. He is smart, responsible, keeps the opposition honest, and what he lacks in footspeed Subban more than makes up for.

    • krob1000 says:

      So many options on D…it is even coneviable that Gilbert would play with Markov and Subban with Beaulieu and a true shutdown pairin in Weaver/Emelin would be formed. This would only be possible if Beualieu impressed right away and if Subban is more responsible as in the playoffs. IT would be implyinghtat Markov will make Gilbert better and can you imaging hte speed of a BEaulieu?Subban pairing? crazy good and crazy fast Either one can beat a forecheck themself…and both are great passers.

      • HardHabits says:

        It’s a tipsy topsy world. Forwards back checking and defencemen providing attack with their quick outlet passes and puck movement. And Price… for all intents and purposes as a 3rd D with his puck handling skills.

        I feel like Pavlov’s dog at the sound of the bell.

      • Landof10000lakesHab says:

        Not likely to happen.

        Gilbert is not / was not brought in for top pair minutes. I watched him here in MN and he was barely a #4. Good pick up and fills the RD and PP need, but not a top pair Dman option.

        Emelin is not being paid as 3rd pair – heck he was close to top pair before the injury. Folks here only recall what he was like attempting to recover.

        No way Beaulieu gets 2nd pair billing except for PP minutes. When you have the Habs depth, zero point to risk his future or risk losing ground in the standings.

        Unless there is a significant injury, or someone comes into camp seriously out of shape, the top six will be as noted several hundred times on this site over the past couple months. PK,Markov,Emelin,Gilbert,Weaver,Beaulieu/Tinordi. The bottom two “rookies” best play like top four Dmen in the preseason just to secure the #6 spot, otherwise say hello again to the Bouillon cube.

        There are not “many” options for premium D pairings, however; there is lots of depth when D go down. When this happens, some of your proposals are bound to occur.

        • krob1000 says:

          Not proposals at all…just saying options and if they were used that way it wouldn;t be for a 1st,2nd pair….it would be more for ease of special teams an d assignments. Subban/Markov 1st wave pp, gilbert/Beaulieu 2nd wave, Emelin/Weaver shutdown pair and 1st PK unit. The only reasson I included that is our beloved MT’s insistency on playing regular lines as special teams…having a shutdown pairing of Eemlin?weaver is not bad. I doubt they go witht hat right away or that it ahppens at all…but there is always a chance and the way MT has coached I think it more possible than it seems at first.

    • bwoar says:

      Been saying this since Subban’s Day 1. A duo completely perfect for each other and one of the best in the league.

      They just need to get 3-6 sorted!

      I think one thing you glossed over, that deserves more notice, is Emelin: did Markov not make him better?

      • HardHabits says:

        I mentioned that on purpose. I believe we will see a better Emelin now that he will hopefully be playing his natural side.

        I have confidence in our pro-scouting department. It is my suspicion that they singled out Gilbert for his meshing with Emelin.

        I think the 3-4 is set. Not to mention Tinordi or Beaulieu might as an experimental be interchanged with any of the above. If one of either Nygren or Pateryn impresses who knows. Did MB say you can never be too deep on D? If so I agree. Same goes for centres.

        As for Emelin. I think we have yet to see the best he can offer and that he was hindered not so much for playing with Markov but that he was playing his off side.

        • bwoar says:

          Got it. Totally true that being on his offside was no good for him. Still think he benefited somewhat from playing with Markov, but for sure this year ought to be a better one for Emelin.

          I’ve never really payed a lot of attention to Tom Gilbert, but he’s well thought of, so hopefully those two mesh well.

          The one thing I want to see Emelin excel at over last year is his PP time. He’s shown in stretches that he can contribute on the powerplay but I get the feeling that they’ll try and slot in Beaulieu on that left side (being the odds-on favorite to grab the open spot on the third pair). There’s precedence for Lefty-Lefty – think Markov/Souray – but they may see Gilbert as a better option.

          If Gilbert pays off, Emelin is likely to benefit an awful lot, and vice versa.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Emelin I think will have a good year, a summer of conditioning instead of rehabbing = world of difference.

  22. Commandant says:

    If the commentariat can come help us with voting on the “Best of the Rest” poll we’d greatly appreciate it. Its the finale of our 30 teams in t30 days, “Best of the Rest” series, focusing on non-hockey hall of famers.


    Go Habs Go!


    • shiram says:

      I voted, though most of those players played when I was not watching hockey (it was not allowed to watch tv at night in our house).

      It seems to me many of those should be in though, and it was not easy picking.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Going strictly by points, no consideration to Dennis Maruk? Same points roughly as Bondra and Naslund in much fewer games. I don’t think he should be in, but pretty amazing total points, almost point per game.

  23. AliHaba says:

    Bourque, Pateryn, Nygren and Tokarski for Yakupov.

    • shiram says:

      Not enough high players, they’ll want something bright and shiny if they are to trade Yak, which does not seem likely to me.

      Put it this way, would you trade Chucky for that package?

      • HardHabits says:

        Edmonton needs to realize that they need a team to make the play-offs. An amalgamation of top draft picks is not a team.

        • shiram says:

          Sure, but that trade is not enough to get Yakupov.
          They’d ask for guys like Emelin, Gallagher, Pleks…
          And probably a good prospect and a good pick, first or second.

          I’d love to have Yakupov, but I doubt the Oilers move him, or that we have the pieces to get him.

          • HardHabits says:

            I disagree. The Habs are the ones making the play-offs and building a contender. They hold the cards not the Oilers.

          • shiram says:

            Heh, not making the playoffs does not seem to bother them all that much, and getting a very inconsistent 32 year old winger, 2 unproven dmen, and an ok goalie won’t help them make the playoffs this year.

            If they wanna make the playoffs, they ask for proven NHLers, no?

          • HardHabits says:

            For sure not those 4. I also concede it would take a lot to pry Yakupov from their hands. I believe they are ripe for the taking and even if they hold some high cards, the Habs have the upper hand.

            Yak plus Chucky and Scherbak???? Nahhhh! I mean what would it take?????

      • AliHaba says:

        Bourque and Pateryn are both university grads (bright). Nygren was Swedish Elite League best defenseman and Tokarski has won WJC gold and Calder Cup and excelled in NHL play-offs when thrust into a difficult situation (shiny).

        • shiram says:

          nicely done, but I hope you got what I meant.

          They’ll want a good roster player, think top 6 F or top 4 D, a good prospect and a pick.
          And even then, they might not want to him at all.

          • AliHaba says:

            Yeah, just being facetious. Fun getting a discussion started though. What do you think of Steeltown’s trade suggestion? Two first rounders and a second for one first rounder.

          • shiram says:

            McCarron has lost some lustre with a bad season, and goalies are a tough lot to predict, I don’t think they’d bite, but I don’t know the Oilers depth chart.

            As I said, I think it takes a top 6 forward, or top 4 d, a good prospect and a good pick say first or maybe 2 second round picks depending on the players moved.

            And even then I doubt the Oilers see a reason to trade Yakupov now.
            They have other players they would move before him.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      McCaron, Fucale, and a 1st for Yakupov.

      I’d do it. Seems like a lot but McCarron is a long shot, Fucale isn’t a guarantee plus we have Price and a 1st….all day.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  24. Timo says:

    Btw, for those of you who has a dish TVA Sports is not available outside Quebec. Another big FU from rogers.

  25. 24 Cups says:

    Is this guy the newest version of MAB and Yannick Weber? If so, the Habs might want to pass seeing they already have four guys who can man the PP (two on each side).

    I’d rather see our 7th DMan be a physical player who can intimidate and kick some ass.


    24 Cups

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hey Steve, saw this article and thought you may be interested in it, not sure if you attended or not.


    • shiram says:

      I think he might be slightly better, but the Habs are also better then when we had Diaz/Weber on the team, and so it could be he does not find a spot on the team.

      I could also see the team using Subban on the majority of the 2 minutes of PP, going with Subban/Markov and then Subban/Gilbert.

      But that depends if Beaulieu makes the team, if he does, Subban should get a more balanced special teams usage.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      He had 12 goals in 25 games in a league where the top forward had 30 goals in 53. I’m certainly intrigued by him.



    • Steeltown Hab says:

      I’d take Pateryn over him now, he also has a bomb and a more well rounded game. Would like to see Nygren vs. NHL competition though, but I don’t like his attitude leaving Hamilton.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • B says:

      Let him spend another season or two in Sweden, maybe they can teach him to be more effective defensively?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    What has happened to Cam Ward in Carolina? I realize some injuries, but why the heck did he have to play so good against the Habs when Canes won the Cup?


    • Cal says:

      Flash in the pan. Like Mike Vernon.

      • HardHabits says:

        Two Cups over a 10 year period and a Conn Smythe Trophy and Jennings in the latter part???? Vernon was no flash but a sustained and impressive lightning bolt.

        • Cal says:

          2 brilliant playoff seasons interspersed among many average playoffs, even with the at the time up and coming Red Wings. It is noteworthy that after their Cup win, Vernon was in San Jose. He was an average goalie with very solid D in front of him for most of his career.

  27. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Hab goal scorers from last season no longer with the team (Vanek,Gionta,Briere,Gorges,White, Bouillon) provided 42 Hab goals, or roughly 20% of all team goals scored. Suggesting – based on the player loss, that we should be more concerned about preventing goals scored versus goal scoring may imply that these 42 goals will easily be recovered, before adding even more goals scored to the total. BTW, the 20% goal total number is from regular season, but was interestingly similar ratio for playoffs.

    It’s one thing to suggest that Bourque, Eller, and Galchenyuk should improve somewhat on goal totals, and that added goal scoring should be generated from the D, and that the PP should improve. But instead of a general term like “should”, try laying it out by player goal totals in a realistic manner to first recover the 42 goals, then add in a few more. All the while, keep in mind that if it is reasonable to suggest we give up more goals due to the loss of defensive minded types, this may also imply less possession time, which is what leads to goal scoring.

    I think it would be great if the goal totals for Max, Pleks, DD, and Gally were close to the same – one may even suggest that the combined goal totals from this group may slip slightly. Not counting on much different from the 4th line types – Prust, Wiese, Moen, or what Malhotra has historically provided. Yes – PAP will score some goals, but how many is anyone’s guess (try 18, which was Gionta’s total as a start to your exercise).

    Remember to keep it realistic (example – young playmaker such as Galchenyuk is not expected to go from 13 goals to over 30-35 in a year when he has accounted for 22 goals in his first 113 games. Yeah, but – this is his big break-out year, right?).

    • AliHaba says:

      Don’t forget that Parenteau’s 14 (in only 55 games) and Malhotra’s 7 would make up for half of that loss.

    • krob1000 says:

      You are not factoring in role…someone else is going to get Gio’s top minutes…so offensively I do not see a potential dip there. Whoever is on the second pp (sometimes Gio was on first( and whoever plays his minutes should be able to match him offensively.
      Patches may score less but I suspect Dd should score more and I think PAp is a reasonable candidate to score 20 for sure.
      IF you look at any offesnive player it is safe to assume their numbers are dramatically affected by their pp usage….the HAbs had a useless 2nd pp unit on the back end. I also think you are underestimating the importance of efficient puck movers from the back end.

      If I were predicting goals it would go something like this…this is way more goals than last year by the way and doesn’t really look that out of whack.
      Max 34
      DD 14
      PAp 23
      Chucky 18
      Pleks 20
      Sekac/Andrighetto/Bournivalcombined 12
      Gally 23
      Eller 18
      Bourque 13
      Malhotra 6
      Weise 8
      Prust 7
      Moen 3

      Subban 18
      markov 8
      Gilbert 6
      emelin 5
      Beaulieu 3
      Weaver 1
      tinordi 1

      That would be 241 goals…which I think is around where they end up(probably around 235 but I tried to be realistic in my guessing adn nothing relaly looks out of wahck when I lok at them)…where my opinion differs is that I believe (assuming Price is health) that the team will NOT lose anything defensively. I think Subban can only improve in that aspect. Gilbert has played better than his team in that dept pretty well his whole career. Emelin should be healthy and on his natural side he should be better. BEaulieu IMO is going to be very good this year. Weaver IMo replaces Gorges.

      Also what I was saying about Malhotra isn’t really about him generating offense…it is him eating some of the tougher minutes that the teams second line was forced to deal with being put at a disadvantge repeatedly before they hit the ice. The sad reality is that Plekanec is actaully the player on the HAbs who has put up the most points in a season in his career….but in Montreal he was asked to step back because there was no “checking line”…there was but it was actually made up former offensive palyer in him and Gio. Malhotra is a natural in this role…and it will alleviate some pressure on Pleks and Eller for that matter too. Let’s jsut say that some games a 4th line of bournival-Malhotra-Wise/Prust/Moen dresses….those are all combos that can comfortably be put out in late and tough situations.

      One can suggest the goal totals will dip….but I can’t see that they way the team appears to be built.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Definitely have to keep things realistic. On paper there is no reason to think they should fall off too much, and there is even potential for some improvement if their young players continue to develop. But even if the veteran player personnel is improved (as many of us think), it isn’t a drastic improvement.

      MTL has not replaced Gorges, Gionta and Briere with guys who are way better. They have simply changed some parts that didn’t fit so well anymore with parts that seem to fit better. I’ve mentioned it before, but any real improvement is most likely to come from the players they have already integrated into their core (i.e. Eller, Galchenyuk, Emelin, Beaulieu, Gallagher, Tinordi, etc.).

  28. flowerpower_74 says:

    For those that think we paid so much for Subban that we won’t have any cap space at the deadline, you should take a look at last year. We aqcuired Vanek at a salary of $7,142,857 but in reality, it only cost the Habs $1,179,487 in cap cost. So we have 2.6 Million left in cap space, which should translate into about $10 million at the trade deadline.

    Montreal Canadiens-2013 and forever Northeast Division Champs

    • B says:

      What about the $3,682,500 in bonuses? I don’t like the idea of pushing bonuses off into next season’s cap room and they already have to push $1,030,833 off.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  29. habs001 says:

    While MB stated that the players can earn their roster spots with their performance i am not sure if that is totally true..Can anyone really believe that if Tinordi,Beaulieu,Pateryn and Nygren had unbelievable training camps that all 4 would be on the team..I cannot see MT approving this…Even if these 4 outplay the other D all 4 will not make the team….

    • ianism says:

      of course. but hopefully they’ll all play a bunch of games. the gallys were both unexpectedly granted roster spots back in 2013. i know that was because there were a couple of open ones and the young guys are not about to usurp the established players, but they’ll be given chances to play at least 🙂

    • shiram says:

      Is Nygren even going to be at the camp,the way he left Hamilton makes me wonder how he feels about his chances with the Habs.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Is Pateryn still in the team’s plans? He is 24 and did not have one start in the NHL last year. He had 27 minutes of ice time the year before.



  30. shiram says:


    There are Hdmi/DVi adapters,
    Surely the computers you sell at least have a DVI out?

  31. ianism says:

    it’s time for galchenyuk to step up. he’s shown flashes of his brilliance. he needs to come out and show that he can bring his linemates, whoever they happen to be, to the next level within the next 2-3 years. we’ve got a star goaltender. the defence is coming together – though we have yet to see tinordi and beaulieu truly hit their stride. it would be good to see a big step forward among the forwards. gallagher has shown what he can do. i want to see galchenyuk take some of the scoring pressure off of max.

  32. Maritime Ronn says:

    CJ wrote:

    “….Further, I am not so certain that Weaver makes this team as a top 6. I like what he brings, but at this stage of his career, I am not so certain that he is an everyday player.
    Hi CJ. Hope all is good with you and family.

    Perhaps another way to see this in 2014-15.
    As you well know, there are 3 aspects to the game:
    Even strength-PP-PK.

    Regarding Mike Weaver, from here he is definitely Top 6 starting this year concerning the 3 item mix because of his PK role.

    Last season in his 17 Habs games, he was 2nd in minutes played on the PK behind the now Sabres Josh Gorges.

    More importantly, during the playoffs, he logged the most PK minutes of all Habs Dmen, while Gorges was 2nd.

    The Top 4 will be occupied with even strength minutes against the opposition Top 6, then the PP will see Subban-Markov/Gilbert-Beaulieu-Emelin will be 2nd wave.

    On average, there are about 7-8 minutes of PK time to take care of during a game.
    Weaver has proven he can do the job and has the experience to do it.
    Yes, he is a 3rd pair, 14-15 minute Dman, yet it becomes a question of balancing minutes and trusted minutes for the Top 6 Dmen.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Weaver was insanely awesome in the playoffs as well.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Weaver was worth every penny.

        1 Goal/4 points + Plus 8. 15;33 /game and the #1 in PK Minutes for all Habs Dmen during the playoffs.

        All of that for a 5th round draft pick that the Habs recovered from the Vanek trade. – yes, we gave the Islanders Colberg and a 2nd, but the thrill of the run was worth it….and the Habs recouped that pick by the Gorges trade that secured Buffalo’s 2016 2nd round pick.

    • CJ says:

      You might very well be right Ronn. Again, I am not dismissing what Weaver has brought to the table, I am just in favor of getting a little younger. If Tinordi or Beaulieu can’t make the team this year, than I am going to begin to regard their selection, in the first round of their respective draft years, as a stretch. No, neither is done as a prospect, but if you can’t crack the top six by your fourth year, than there is a very good chance that you aren’t the asset that the organization originally viewed you as.

      Further, if we retain both and sit them in the press box night after night, it will be the absolute worst case scenario. One of the bigger clues for me is the fact that Bergevin himself has said on multiple occassions that he wants to get younger and bigger. Of course, we can only get younger and bigger as we were one of the oldest teams in the league and the smallest team in the league.

      So, if Tiny or Nate doesn’t make the team, send them back to Hamilton I guess. Won’t that be a peach……

      • shiram says:

        AFAIK, we were not the oldest, though we were in the oldest half of the League.
        And smallest was Chicago, IIRC.

        But those average numbers are skewed, having big lugs logging 5 minutes a game is not as important as having big fast players on the top 6 and top 4, for example.
        So i take those average with a grain of salt.

        Gilbert is bigger than Gorges, and PAP is bigger than Gio.

  33. UKRAINIANhab says:

    With all the complaints about our strength up the middle…

    If we beat Boston with DD, Pleks, and Lars I believe we can beat anyone.

    Especially with Price, Subban, and Max (under appreciated around here)

    This team is Legit, and can easily take the east.

    …back to moi vacation? i am learning some French in France… To go with my English, Uke, and some Rus : )

  34. Timo says:

    The problem with the whole game streaming thing is that there is not a easy way of replicating the PVR function. I almost never watch games live so aside from find a decent quality stream I also need to be able to set the recording time and have the game saved somewhere to watch once kid’s in bed.

    Effing pain in the a$$ this is and may rogers and the NHL burn in hell.

  35. habsfan0 says:

    Does anyone know offhand, how many subscribers RDS has lost west of Belleville,Ontario since the new blackout rules were announced?

  36. Habs Lover 1969 says:

    I live in the atlantic region so I get the RDS feed.I was wondering if anyone knew if there will be any habs games broadcast in english this year.People tell me that if I get Centre Ice the games would be blacked out in my region.Last season I watched the english games on TSN habs.But that is no longer available.Just wondering if I can get the habs in english somewhere.Thanks.

  37. Slackman says:

    Good Friday to all you nice folks out there!

    I just want to chime in and say that I think DD is HUGELY underrated. His only “downside” is that many think he’s too small. I’ve always seen this as an advantage… he’s so darn close to the ice and he plays really low and crouched over the puck. Have you ever seen him get taken out or manhandled? He’s a shifty bastard with great vision, great hockey IQ, great sense, an almost supernatural ability to find his line mates with the puck . He’s good with the media, seems to have good leadership qualities… If he can work on his pass first ask questions later mentality I feel like he could develop into an elite center…. maybe even (dare I say it?) Captain material.

  38. on2ndthought says:

    I would have no problem with Pateryn beating Weaver out for a spot. Weaver could play against high skill teams and let Pateryn learn from the press box.

    Could we carry both Beaulieu and Tinordi, splitting time 50/50 as the third pairing? Split along the tough / skill teams.

    Subban Emelin
    Gilbert Markov
    Tinordi/Beaulieu Weaver/Pateryn

    Is that too many D? Will it slow the development of the next generation?

    “a cannonading drive”

    • Forum Dog says:

      I’ve also wondered about keeping both Tinordi and Beaulieu with the team. I think it is a bit of a stretch to assume that either one could play at a high level for the full 82 games, and if they split duties it would give them regular NHL practice time, as well as at least a half season’s worth of games. The flip side of that argument is that they are better served getting 20 minutes/night of AHL experience. Considering that both have spent 2 seasons at the AHL/NHL level, I am less convinced by this argument than I normally would be.

      Signing Bouillion would almost certainly mean that one of them goes back down to Hamilton. And regardless of what happens I don’t see them carrying 8 d-men, meaning that Pateryn is unlikely to stick. Not sure what his waiver status is, but he must be getting close to Tokarski territory. If they are able to hold onto him, a spot should open up next year.

      • B says:

        If a prospect can’t beat out Bouillon for a spot then he doesn’t deserve one.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • Forum Dog says:

          If they sign Bouillion at all, it’ll be because they don’t want one of their youngsters hanging out in the pressbox. Frankie B would be a reserve or injury insurance, that is it. I doubt there is a situation where he would get the 52 games he got last year.

      • habcertain says:

        I thought I heard the Pateryn would have to clear waivers? I think if that is so, would be very unfortunate. I think all of our 3 kids will be regular NHL D men.

        • B says:

          I believe that Drewiske, Dumont and Tokarski are the only ones from last season’s Bulldogs that will be in camp and who would have to clear waivers before being sent down. MacDonald wasn’t a Bulldog last season, but he would also have to clear waivers before being sent down.

          –Go Habs Go!–

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      With Gorges gone, we will need le dream

    • HammerHab says:

      I think 50 games for each of Tinordi & Beaulieu would be ideal. You don’t want to burn them out but you also dont want to have them sit all the time.


      It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Habilis says:

      It’s also a matter of depth. Let us not forget that at least 1 of the D will go down for an extended (3 weeks plus) period of time, it’s inevitable. And that’s figuring on the conservative side. It could just as easily be 2 or 3 regulars down for weeks at a time. The kids will get their shot to prove they belong, one way or another.

      Personally, I really like the fact that our D depth is chalk full of young guns. It will make the battles for spots that much more intense.

      I agree with Forum Dog about the team carrying 7 D. I actually think that’s the hold up with regards to re-signing Cube. I think (also hope) that MB has made it clear to Bouillon that if he does come back, it will be in an emergency player/mentor role, basically the designated press box D unless someone blows a tire in warm-ups. This would allow whoever doesn’t stick among the kids (Tinordi and Pateryn, IMHO) to go down and play first pair minutes in Hamilton. It would also explain why Bouillon hasn’t signed yet, as we do know they’ve talked. He could be waiting for a better offer from a less talented team if he still wants to play regularly.

  39. krob1000 says:

    When I look at the Canadiens lineup I can’t help but wonder if the teams gameplan/style is going to be changed to a more up tempo and slightly more liberal approach offensviely anyway.
    The likely addition of Nathan Beaulieu and bringing in Tom Gilbert is going to beneift the forwards and the 2nd pp immensely….that alone is going to spark more offense. I think also the addition of Malhotra brings a different element to the 4th line…this should make this line able to match against other higher competition and lessen the load on Pleks and Eller.

    In addition it should be another Pk guy and eliminate many of Pleks dzone starts where he was relied on take draws in outmatched situations (outmatched in the circle).

    Losing Gionta is tough as he was a two way player…and when Vanek disappeared that hurt…but I think freeing up Pleks and Eller a bit and the puck movement from the back end will offset things. The extra year of maturity for the younger guys should help as well.

    Overall though I really fo expect that offense will be better this year despite losing GIo and Vanek….kind of odd I know but I really think the impact of two puck moving dmen will be huge (assuming Beaulieu is ready which I believe he is).

    If Sekac/De La Rose or Andrighetto (or even Bournival) can generate a bit of offense then things should be improved in what I believe was montreal’s toughest problem last year….scoring. Hopefullythtere is still some wiggle room come deadline if need be to make another deal if necessary but I exepct better seasons from DD, Gally, Chcuky, Eller and Pleks offensively. I expect better defense from SUbban as he and Markov now have others who can move and skate the puck out of trouble now.

    I also expect the pp to be better now as well. I am pretty excited…the achilles heel for me is goaltending…Habs are OK unless Carey Price goes down….Habs IMo should be top 4 (East)playoff team IMO unless PRice misses substantial time…if he does? fighting for a playoff spot and possibly tossing games at the end of the season. Even if Subban or Markov were to be injured I think team is in decent shape now with two other puck movers (again I am making assumption Beaulieu makes team).

    • twilighthours says:

      Uptempo and more liberal offense. Wouldn’t that bergevin fun?

    • Chris says:

      I’m torn. I also thing that the team might be gearing up to play more offensively. I also think that continued improvement from Galchenyuk and bounce-back seasons from Eller and Bourque, who simply cannot get any worse than they played last season, makes the offence better.

      I’m not too worried about any of Sekac, Andrighetto or De La Rose, as I don’t think think any of the three will be on the opening day roster. There just aren’t any roster spots available.

      The worry for me is that the team has, in my opinion, become significantly weaker defensively with the loss of Gionta and Gorges.

      So I see the team scoring more this season, but also giving up more goals, something like the way they played in the 2012-13 season. Last year, they averaged 2.55 goals scored (215 total goals) and 2.45 goals against (204 total goals against), as compared to the 3.04 goals for in 2012-13 and 2.58 goals against.

      I am looking for something like 220-230 goals for this season and 215 goals against. That should basically maintain the status quo in terms of their spot in the standings.

      On paper, Montreal should challenge a weakening Boston for 2nd in the division, with Detroit being a dark horse if they can stay healthy. Tampa Bay should be the top team. Of course, we’ve all seen how paper champions (like Buffalo a few years ago) often fall flat on their face.

      • krob1000 says:

        I think though all of the players gained valuable experience in the tight defense oriented playoffs…I think a valuable lesson was learned and that pretty well all of the kids know their roles away from the puck and can play it. I do think that Sekac will make the team …or one of the other kids but I suspect Sekac.
        I think MOen ends up a spare and Bournival is in as well.
        I see things as going


        If Sekac doesn’t make team then Gally slides up, Bournival slides in. There is also the chance tehre are more moves to be made…no matter how you slice it the team looks solid. I don’t see the team as wrose off defensively like you do though…I think GIO is a bigger loss defesnively than GIo but I think Malhotra offsets that and that Gilbert/Weaver is an upgrade from Murray Gorges. Beaulieu is also a deterent with his speed and while he may not win the phsyical battels his gap control and hsi speed threat force decisions earlier. I think things will be fine.

  40. @Timo, to be honest I never pay attention to the HD/SD option so I can’t help you there. CI carries all the HD channels, and I just watch at random never knowing if the game is in HD or SD.

    When you pay under a dollar/day (.83) I’m amazed more people don’t use Center Ice.

    The only way I wouldn’t suggest it is if you only watch the Habs.

    Shane Oliver
    A Little fun during the Intermission
    Brandon Predators End Season Video

  41. clutch73 says:

    Bought a 3 month from hockey streams, just to trying it out …seems pretty good so far, I like going back and watching some playoff games against the bruins, you can pause, skip, rewind, fast forward. You watch just highlights and switch between feeds. As far as quality of streamed games ill have to wait until hockey starts to make a final judgment …so far so good.

    I Don’t know if this has be answered yet but will nhl center ice show the rds feed for habs games? for the love of god can you imagine having to listen to jack Edwards and the other buffoons.

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    We must all be missing something, because the NHL seems to show that Drewiskie will be our #7 dman this season ahead of Tinordi and Pateryn!


    • AliHaba says:

      I know that Drewiske has completely recovered from a near career-ending shoulder injury but I doubt he is in the plans for the big team this year. I’ve been wrong once or twice before so who knows?

    • Chris says:

      Barring a trade or Drewiske being placed on waivers, that is the most likely scenario. I just don’t see Bergevin wanting Tinordi or Pateryn watching games when they could be playing huge minutes.

      Training camp will obviously be crucial for these three guys, but Drewiske was Bergevin’s guy and somebody he had a lot of praise for when he brought him in. Drewiske is also a prototypical 7th defenceman, a guy who is experienced in that role and knows how to make the most of his limited opportunities.

  43. HabinBurlington says:

    So I was perusing the NHL Center Ice TV promotion. In response to Timo below regarding games in HD, here is the definitive answer from NHL Center Ice.

    The number of HD games you will see in NHL CENTRE ICE will vary across cable and satellite providers. For technical reasons such as bandwidth and channel capacity, one provider may choose to air both feeds of a game in HD, while another one may not air the same amount of feeds or games in HD. This is at the discretion of each cable/satellite provider and it can vary across NHL Centre Ice distributors and even individual systems of a distributor.

    In addition, please be aware that for a variety of reasons, not all HD game are available for use in NHL CENTRE ICE across all NHL Centre Ice distributors

    • Timo says:

      I read this too. Thanks. It clarifies so much.

    • Cal says:

      Pathetic, right? I wonder if the NFL has this “bandwidth” problem. Absolute 20th century hokum.

    • adamkennelly says:

      as a center ice guy in the US – I can tell you that almost 100% of Canadian match ups are in standard def – only way around that is if NHL network picks up the HNIC games. the rest of the Habs games you get in HD but only through the US Feed – with very few exceptions.

    • bwoar says:

      They need to guarantee HD feeds across the board, or they can take a walk. Combine that with blacking out local games and I can’t justify shelling out. If I buy Centre Ice, I’ll get all HABS games but the Jets are blacked out (according to my ex-cable provider.) Can’t a guy be a fan of the local team too?

      It was supposed to improve with Rogers, but these guys remain bush league.

  44. Forum Dog says:

    Regarding the lead article and its question, I think the 2014-15 Habs are gonna go through a bit of transitional phase. They hit 100 points last year despite some rough patches during the regular season, then shocked a few people during the playoffs, but a lot of it hinged on very good goaltending and some inspired performances – one from their superstar d-man, and from a couple other unexpected sources.

    With most of their best players returning, there is no reason they shouldn’t be around 100 points again, but there are some question marks:

    – Gilbert will bring a much needed RH shot and provide a secondary option for the PP, but he is not a great defensive mind and is not particularly physical. He has been a minus player pretty much all of his career. Playing with someone like Emelin, who can better handle the defensive duties, might help him, but I don’t think either player has a particularly high positional IQ, and they could get exposed. Only time will tell.

    – Yeah they were able swap Briere for PAP, but really all that does is create some position certainty (i.e. have a true RW that can play in the top-nine, rather than a RW/C who jumps from 4th to 2nd lines). Playing with the creative DD and the sniping Pacioretty should help inspire PAP, but I don’t think we should expect him to come in and light things up. If he does great, but if they get 40 points out of him they’ll probably be happy.

    – Weaver will be a reasonable replacement for Gorges on the ice, but I doubt he’ll be as effective in the leadership category. I like him, but don’t expect him to be everything to the Habs that Gorgy was.

    Ultimately, any improvement the Habs show next season will be a result of improvement from within, not necessarily because they acquired better players. IMO the best add was Malhotra, who should solidify that 4th line. And while it is possible that PAP, Gilbert and Weaver all have career years and show they are better than the players they were replacing, it is equally possible the flaws that made them expendable to other teams reappear over an 82 game schedule. Which is why it will be imperative that:

    1 – Price stay injury free and get some solid relief from his back-up (whoever that is);
    2 – Subban play up to his contract, rounding out his offensive game and improving his defensive consistency;
    3 – Eller and Bourque bring the intensity that served them so well in the playoffs night-in and night-out;
    4 – The best prospects take the next step, specifically Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Beaulieu and Tinordi. At least one of the Gs needs to pot 20, and both should be aiming for 40-50 points as a minimum. Ideally one of those two young d-men takes that #5 spot and runs with it, preferably Beaulieu at this point;
    5 – The 4th line gels and become a unit that Therrien can use 12 minutes a game;
    6 – Sekac is able to make the jump quickly, because Prust or Weise sliding into the top-nine is not going to help on the offensive side of the puck.

    Bottom line is that I don’t think 2015 is going to mark the end of the Cup drought. I’ll be rooting for it to happen, but IMO MTL is another 2-3 away from being a truly legitimate contender.

    • AliHaba says:

      Carey Price has 4 years remaining on his contract. Expect a Stanley Cup win in one of those years.

    • krob1000 says:

      Tom Gilbert is going to surprise people I think …everything I have raed recently reiterates what I remember about him in that he has also been a very good dman on very bad teams. He is NOT an offensive specialist…he is a two way guy…he lacks the phsyical edge but in Motnreal we are kind of used to that and with the collapse style D it isn;t as important anyway. I think he is a very smart player and positional play will not be an issue. I assumethe will go with Markov/Subban BUT….if they went Markov-Gilbert and Subban-Emelin it would not be a bad thing either. I think Gilbert is actaully good enough that he will be fine no matter who he is paired with..even if it is a rookie in Beaulieu or Tinordi. I think it is going to work out much better than people think.

      Below is an article after he was traded by Edm

      • Forum Dog says:

        I hope you’re right. I like the Gilbert signing, I’m just not convinced he that he is that reliable. Guys who are solid/reliable don’t get moved around as much as he has.

        Just like I think Emelin has pretty good upside, but am not yet convinced that he makes the best decisions. Both have a lot going for them, but there are some unanswered questions as well. Throw in the fact that they are likely to be running a rookie out there on D, and I think there is some risk.

        If everything breaks right, they could have a very strong group. If each players warts resurface, we could be looking at a team that lacks consistency on the back-end.

        • krob1000 says:

          As far as I know he has only been traded once. He sigend in FLorida and he signed in Montreal….these aren’t teams moving him …those are him moving teams and I bet he is likely pretty happy to be on a semi final team looking at his history with Edm, FLA and Minny.

          • Forum Dog says:

            Fair. He’s been traded twice, and has signed a couple of short-term contracts if you include MTL’s 2 year deal. Not exactly a guy teams are dying to hold on to, but obviously he’s shown enough to keep getting NHL ice-time. I am hoping he helps MTL, but I won’t be convinced until I see him play more. My interpretation of him is drawn from the few times I’ve seen him and his statistical resume (which I know can be misleading).

      • bwoar says:

        Let’s just say, nobody won that trade. But EDM gave up the better player.

  45. Kfourn says:

    I don’t know if this has already been mentioned or not yet, but it looks like the Bruins finally got the short end of the stick in this years schedule (against the Habs at least). Every game that Boston plays Montreal they will be on the second game of a back-to-back. The Habs only play Boston once on a back-to-back. Could give the Habs a bit of an edge in the division showdown.

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  46. habsfan0 says:

    2015 does promise to be quite the year.

    February 2015..Buffalo Bills win Super Bowl.
    June 2015..Habs win Stanley Cup.

  47. von says:

    I can’t believe it’s 2014 and the options to watch the Habs have become more difficult instead of easier.

    I don’t want to give the league a dollar for this mess but can I deal with unreliable streams for a whole season?

    This from a league that preaches “growing the game”. All they seem to do is blank their fans over, whether its lockouts or “regional” TV garbage.


    “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

    • New says:

      You have to remember this is summertime and you’re visiting a hockey talk page, a lesser known one at that, devoted to one team. Our opinions on in season coverage may not match that of a Rogers suit.

      The reason the product availability is a mess is because the demand is high. That brings in more providers, each with their own market share demands, to repackage the product. They all want you to buy bits of the same thing for more.

      Start cancelling packages rather than adding to packages. The Cup doesn’t depend on whether you watch or not. Nothing you do has an effect on the score, but it can on availability of the feed in your area.

  48. Un Canadien errant says:



    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd


  49. AliHaba says:

    Each year I look forward to the new season with fresh optimism. This coming season more than most. If you compare the team that came out of the 2010 conference final to this year’s squad the differences are amazing. Let’s have a look at some of these differences:-
    1) Stable goal-tending. Going into the 2010-11 season Carey Price was the #1 goalie (with Alex Auld as backup) but not with the all-world credentials that he now has. Also with Budaj, Tokarski and Fucale in the wings the position is set to the point that a trade involving one of the backups is a possibility.
    2) Solid defense with a budding superstar as its leader. In the fall of 2010 the Habs top six was Markov (injured), an inexperienced Subban, Gorges, Gill, Spacek, and Hamrlik with Picard, Wisniewski ( for a 2nd round pick), Weber and Mara for depth. Now with an established Subban plus a healthy Markov along with Emelin, Gilbert, Weaver, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn not to mention Ellis, Nygren, Dietz and Thrower in the wings.
    3) A good mix of veterans and young explosive talent. Going into 2010 the scoring was expected to be led by a cast of Cammalleri, Gomez, Gionta, Pacioretty (season ended on Mar.11 by the pre-meditated assault of Zdeno Chara), Plekanec, Kostitsyn, Darche and Pouliot. Defensively they were bolstered by Halpern, White, Lapierre, Pyatt, and Moen. Now with budding stars Pacioretty, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher leading the way, the potential is there for an offensive juggernaut. Add to that Parenteau, Bourque, Eller, Weise and Plekanec (two-way player nonpareil) and a very interesting year it will be indeed. Defensive contributions by Bournival, Malhotra, Moen, and Prust. So much more potential this year for sure. Sekac is an unknown quantity.
    One drawback is the lack of forward depth on the farm. McCarron is developing though and Scherbak looks can’t miss. Maybe de la Rose will be a surprise.
    Sorry for being so long-winded but there are so many reasons to be excited about this team that I tried to not leave any out.
    Optimism reigns supreme in this household.

  50. Maritime Ronn says:

    AliHaba wrote

    ……Like it or not, PK is the face of the franchise now and all the other stars can go about their duties well without question.
    Now that would be an interesting poll question

    Who is the “Face of the Habs franchise?”
    Then again, it all depends how one defines “Face.”
    Constant media face?
    On/Off ice Leadership and performance face?
    Combo of both?

    BEFORE the season starts, the vote from here would see Carey Price a slight cut above the rest, with PK close behind…that is, before the season starts.

  51. Habs_101 says:

    In terms of our D I think our top 5 are obviously set;

    Markov – Subban
    Emelin – Gilbert
    XXXXX – Weaver

    There are two spots potentially available, presumably the #6 spot will go full time to one of Beaulieu/Tinordi.

    I think whoever loses that battle should be in Hamilton playing TOP minutes with Pateryn. Therefore you would have Beaulieu/Tinordi for immediate call-up incase of injury to LD and Pateryn for injury call-up for RD.

    In terms of the #7 spot, would you rather see Nygren (who could play #6 D maybe 20-30 games this season and PP specialist) or see MB sign a veteran to sit for pressbox duty?

    To me, I think if we don’t get Nygren in this year, he wont be retained, and it would be a real shame to let him go without giving him any shot, seems he could play that role and there is a lot of untapped potential.

    Anyways, talking about the #6 #7 d spot, its clearly late into the summer!



    • Maritime Ronn says:

      GMMB has always said you never have enough defensemen…and that lineup looks awful thin in NHL experience if some inevitable injuries happen to the Top 4.

      Frankie B. is always hovering, and there are still some UFAs that could be signed depending on money, term, and possible 2 way contract.
      The list:

      • Habs_101 says:

        Ron I understand what you are saying about experience, but Im talking about heading into the season- assuming a healthy roster.

        If someone goes down with significant injury I would assume that MB would sign a Derek Morris or equivelant to fill in at that time, there are certainly lots available.

        My question was really, is it possible to get Nygren into the line up in some capacity this season?

        GO HABS GO!

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          About Nygren, it will be interesting to see the training camp dynamic, then whether or not he gets some kind of chance to play in the exhibition games.

          The dots just don’t connect when we are not privy to the total info.
          That Hamilton city story smells funny….didn’t mean the smell of the city – just the story.

    • CJ says:

      I think, in no particular order – PK, Markov, Emelin and Gilbert will be fixtures in our lineup. Personally, I believe that there will be a very spirited competition for the remaining two posts. Further, I am not so certain that Weaver makes this team as a top 6. I like what he brings, but at this stage of his career, I am not so certain that he is an everyday player. I like the depth that he provides, but I would much rather see an open competition with partners being cast based on performance.

      Lastly, as I noted yesterday, Markov is now one year older. If we hold any hope of making a push for Lord Stanley’s Cup, then it is imperative to manage his minutes. Markov needs to be closer to 22:00 minutes, rather than 26:00-28:00 minutes a night, which is what will be afforded on the first unit – 1/2 pairing – (including PP and PK time). We can forget about Nygren. He will be trade bait. I just hope he has a decent camp, elevating his trade value. I don’t see him fitting in with the organization going forward.

      Nygren IMO has become the new Danny Kristo. Folks, myself included, had Kristo on a pedastal. Fact is, he is a fringe NHLer who may or may not ever play consistently in the league. Nygren has offensive flair, but he also has some major holes in his overall game. I am not trying to be a downer, I just want folks to be aware of what we have.

      • shiram says:

        Nygren would likely be a better Weber/Diaz, ie : a bottom pairing player that gets PP time.

        I think he could find a spot in the NHL somewhere, eventually.
        But his position looks doubtful with the Habs.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      I think Beaulieu has a good chance to play with Gilbert. I really hope either Nygren or Pateryn get the job as our 3rd RD. I don´t mind Weaver but they have much more upside. Weaver on the other hand is relatively slow, small, has no offence in him and he´s 36 years old. Tinordi would be my number 7 on D, Weaver number 8. In any case the D looks much better than last season. Has Murray retired btw or will be be the 7th dman on one of the lesser ECHL teams this year?

  52. howiemorenz7 says:

    As for the poll Q: we made the Eastern finals, top 4 in the NHL, so it’s not a stretch to suggest the Cup in our grasps. Carey needs to stay healthy, the core group of young stars need to improve that 2% – 3% , and someone up-front from the veterans group needs to consistently take it to the next level, PA P is who I’d nominate. I quite love this team right now, esp. now that the PK thing is resolved.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    Joe Thornton Reg. Season .989 points per game
    Joe Thornton Playoffs .757 points per game

    Crosby Reg. Season 1.39 pts. per game
    Crosby Playoffs 1.2 pts per game

    Toews Reg. Season .909 pts per game
    Toews Playoffs .86 pts per game

    Kopitar Reg Season .903 pts per game
    Kopitar Playoffs .857 pts per game

    Perhaps Thorntons dropoff in the playoffs is more significant than I realized. I mentioned down below how I have always liked him and felt he got too much of the blame. Most players have a slight downturn in points in playoffs as the games are tighter checked. But Jumbo Joe’s decrease seems a bit more significant.

    Perhaps someone could Corsi or Fenwick these stats for me?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Also, doesn’t he hate the Bruins?



      • HabinBurlington says:

        If Joe was willing to be a Hab I would take him as our big #1 center. I don’t want to give up the farm for him, but I like him. I was surprised to see the dropoff as significant as it was though.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          Looking over his stats, they are lowered by his bad years with the Bruins.

          With San Jose he has 82 points in 97 playoff games. That amounts to 0.85 points per game, in the Toews, Kopitar range (his regular season rate is 1.1 pts/game).

          However this season he managed only 3 points in those 7 games vs LA.



        • B says:

          Moot point, but the Habs don’t have the cap space to take on a Joe Thornton, even if he were to become available to them.

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I recognize that, I guess my only point is that I have always liked Joe Thornton as a player. To me he never fit the Bruin mold (fungi).

  54. @CJ

    My grandmother is buried in the Point Prime, she is a direct descendent of the settlers there so she is honored with a plot along with the rest of the Polly settlers.

    I love to drive home. Been doing it since 2010. It’s an amazing trip from Brandon-East coast. I travel with my boy and lil girl. Matthew (14) and I love how the cities pop out of nowhere and then when you finally hit the Island after days on the road you see something so perfect that you can’t believe it’s there.

    My family owns Waterford Beach Cottages, it’s at the opposite end from where you were. It’s like a vacation with your entire family.

    Laters, we have a soccer tourney all weekend in Winnipeg, and I need to prep myself to endure the game (not a fan).

    Shane Oliver
    A Little fun during the Intermission
    Brandon Predators End Season Video

  55. howiemorenz7 says:

    Dear community – esp. GTA Habs Fans: Is there someone who can tell me exactly what my options are in terms of viewing Habs games this season? I had RDS ($15 a month from Bell Fibe), but they don’t seem to be the answer anymore. Are NHL.com games with the Habs blacked-out here? What about Centre (H)Ice packages? Has anyone figured this out? (no, moving back to QC is not yet in the cards)

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It appears if you want to try and watch all games with the Habs this year on TV you will require to purchase the NHL Center Ice package.

      Approx. 32 games will be available to you through the new Rogers deal (sportsnet, cbc, city tv all carrying various games).

      RDS is showing many games, but they are being regional only in coverage, blacked out in the GTA.

      • Luke says:


        Did you have Centre Ice last season? Were all Habs games available?

        In the past they’ve blacked out some (I recall some Sabres and Flames games a few years ago) so I went with RDS the last two seasons to be sure.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I went the RDS route the past couple years, finally my local cable provider got in HD as well, and now? I think I will break down and do the Center Ice thing. Funny I work with computers for a living but am not a techy guy, so I don’t feel like doing the stream thing, even though with a bit of knowledge I could probably make it happen and for cheap.

          • shiram says:

            Most pc have an hdmi port nowadays, just connect it to your big screen tv.
            It’s what I did last season, and it worked well with HD streams.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yah, my problem is almost all the computers I resell are corporate machines, and HDMI Ports are limited. But you are right, I should just do it. I remember trying years ago, but the feeds were so choppy I couldn’t stand it. I am sure they are much better now, especially with the improved technology as well.

            Thanks Shiram!

    • piche says:

      Hey Howie,

      I can think of a couple of ways:

      Option1: Use the Internet streams currently available and send them to your TV – need a set top box like apple TV or google TV or other… but it works pretty good.

      Option2: NHL Game Center Live… its $150 per year but if you use a site that makes you look like your coming from Europe its only $99 per year…

    • Center Ice all the way!

      You are paying close the the price anyways, and then you get to watch as much hockey as you want.

      I love it and you can’t beat the price.

      For nights where the play by play sucks, stream TSN 690 and time it to the game. John Bartlett is one of the best, and Sergio is fun to listen to, he tells it as it is.

      Center Ice, been using it for years. It’s a hockey fan’s dream station and it works out to be less than a dollar/game (all games).

      Shane Oliver
      A Little fun during the Intermission
      Brandon Predators End Season Video

    • Habs_101 says:

      Game Center Live for me, its $150 but includes every game with two feeds, I stream it to my Apple TV and it works absolutely perfect.

      Nice to have the other games too, I find myself learning a lot about other teams the last two seasons.

      GO HABS GO!

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