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• Pat Hickey’s game story
• Quotes from the room
• About last night …
• Arpon Basu on Weber opening up options
• Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis
• The New York Post’s Mark Everson on the woeful Devils
Not impressed with PK? You must be mad. Or you don’t see above average players with a natural hockey skills like some of us do when looking at a player like PK.
he still is a rookie..good games and not so good games…perspective for all.
Is that what you meant by “better”? Ah.
I thought you meant “more beautiful”, not “more important”.
Tragically misunderstood, please bite
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PK is a stud, he’s a work in progress, but he is a stud. Gonna be fantastic. And a team player
“I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
– Bilbo Baggins
i also made a point about you saying good passes in the game last night and didn’t give it away to the other team, you’re blind if you did not see the multiple times that happened every period.
you’re only looking at his average or poor games, you can’t deny his amazing playoff performance last year or many games this year where he’s been way above average.
Speaking of keeping it up, nice avatar!
A game winner beats anything else; you know this.
pk comes with his downs, no one denies that. he’s a young player. i just believe he’ll learn more from playing then from the pressbox.
we are shockingly entitled to our opinions as well:-)
Both rockets that hit the mark with devastating precision.
But top-corner takes precedence over low-blocker; you know this.
Dear ed lopaz, MTLForever, SLONCOLD and HabsTrueBlue,
I am shockingly entitled to my own opinion. If you are PK defenders through and through, good for you. I dislike the guy. I have been to four games thusfar this season, and I always make a point of watching him play because I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
I can tell you that the games I was at, I was not impressed by him at all. As an example, I was at the game against Nashville last week and his play was abismal. He kept doing blind and seeing eye passes to the other team. No goals, no assists, 3 shots on net, no penalty minutes, 15:54 seconds of ice time total. Would you call that a good game or an ok game? He tripped on his own feet for crying out loud. Bad game you say? He was the same against Ottawa two weeks prior.
Whether or not he plays on Saturday, Martin already said it wasn’t a punishment sit-out. All the D-men can’t play so someone will have to sit out. It happened to be PK, and I think this early in the season it’s better to sit him out as opposed to waiting until the end of the season and suddenly going “maybe he needed some rest” or “maybe he needed a night off to re-think his play.” Shake him a bit, do it now and he will come out like a man on fire.
“I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”
No kidding, but I think the slapper against Buffalo was better.
Your boy fired a laser beam last night.
Is there a polite way to invite los Diablos to choke on some payback as it just so happens to be a biotch?
Cuz if there is, I just can’t seem to find it, and I sure don’t wanna hurt anybody’s feelings, knowumsayin?
Especially those of those scumbags in Joisey I invite to choke on some biotch-tastin payback.
Would much appreciate suggestions.
Gotta love the result last night! Keep it up guys!
Only thing better than the Habs winning…. The Habs winning and the Maple Laffs losing!!!! LOL
Did that thing get in there or what?
I was at a Christmas charity function last night so I missed the game and Mike’s H I/O comments. I take it from the score that it was a bit of a walk in the park. Could you imagine if New Jersey would go on to finish last in the NHL? They would then be able to draft the next NHL superstar at no cost after having squandered $100M on Kovy II. I seriously doubt they will finish in the basement but it’s still a shocking situation.
Sidney Crosby scored a hat trick last night which is his way of letting Steven Stamkos know that he’s not quite ready to vacate his throne. That has to be a sign of a true superstar.
BTW, I noticed that the rest of the threads on the main page seem to be “cut off” and are inaccessible.
Same here for two days now ,hope it not a virus.
I was wondering to myself last night if we’d been able to hold onto Halak, given the Devils cap situation I wonder if we could’ve come up with a reasonable package like Halak, Maxwell and Desharnais for Parise.
The market for goaltenders was bare and I’m the first to admit that coming into the season with both goalies would have probably been a short term mistake, but man the Devils are desperate for a future netminder right now and won’t reasonably be able to afford Parise in the future.
Of course Gauthier couldn’t have known that Markov would go down long term again and allow him extra cap space going into the future(not this season).
I’m incredibly pleased with Eller despite the three points and we will get more years out of him than we would in the case of a player like Parise.
I was always an ovechkin before crosby guy, but there’s no denying crosby anymore. The guy has taken his game to a new level (which is downright scary), and I would go as far as to say that he is the undisputed best player in the NHL. He’s now tied with steven stamkos in goals, leads the league in points, and did all this without any legitimate top-6 wingers.
Latest updates on the possible sale of the laffs.
Rogers looks at MLSE books.
Will a new owner mean a new GM for the Leafs?
How will a change in ownership impact the performance of the team?
Persuing MLSE a survival strategy for Rogers.
Content is king in the modern sports world.
All potential deals must first run through Tanenbaum.
I think Tanenbaum is the key. He has the right to buy out the other partners (the teachers) if they want to sell. Still the possibility that Bell organizes a competing bid. and for Leaf fans that think the grass is greener with Rogers, take a look at the Jays and their woeful attendance etc…
Halak would have haunted the Habs in the Devils Uniform for MANY years.
Specially if he had a mentor like Brodeur.
Tom – Parise is one of the best young guys in the league. Top ten for sure. At his age, it would take a hell of a lot more than Halak and two career AHLers.
I thinkthe goalie to watch at the trade deadline is Vokoun. He’s an UFA this summer and is as good as gone out of Florida as Tallon continues his youth movement. There will be lots of teams in the hunt and he will bring a solid return.
Jersey should be thinking about a rebuild (they already have some great young pieces) but are now stuck with the worst NHL contract since the days of Yashin. They are totally screwed. I think the attendance last night was around 11,000 for a visiting original six team.
Parise is an RFA at seasons end (not UFA), and is only 26 years old, which means if the devils wanted to trade him, they could probably get a better return for him than what they gave up to get kovalchuk.
Halak, Maxwell and Desharnais just wouldnt cut it, thats for sure.
Not to mention that I dont think I would want to face halak 4 times a year, and than potentially in the playoffs.
As much as I would love to see Parise in a habs uniform, the devils are going to figure out a way to keep him, that I am sure of.
Parise’s a 40-goal 2-way forward with clutch ability, he’ll be a bidding war amongst the NHL teams looking to add firepower. I get the feeling LAK will be in the hunt for him, they need the guy who will score big goals and can help them create a top line with Kopitar at C. They could get in on it, they have the defensive prospects to swing a deal with a team that desperately needs help in their department and both team’s personnel switches conferences so it only burns them once a year.
– I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
kovy isn’t this bad… you don’t go from a 50 goal scorer to nothing from one year to the next (well you’re not supposed to) he’ll pick it up. all he needs is a hot streak and all will be forgiven
i agree with ya, would have been intersting to see how they would have worked both tenders into the salary cap.
on another note how much will stamkos make down in tbay?
If we had hung on to Halak, what do you think that would have done for Price’s game? One had to go. One had to stay. Habs brass chose Price, and that has worked out well for them. If they would have kept Halak, that probably would have worked out well also. But keeping both was not an option, because only one could have been the starter. Let’s say Halak was that starter…what do you think Price’s value would be right now? It’s a tough call. But I can say that there is no way to prove that we could have gotten a better deal by waiting. Price is playing lights out, and Eller looks to be a diamond in the rough. Why look back?
Good article by Basu.
He makes a good argument that our best Markov replacement may be Weber. Relative to what’s out there.. and if Weber can do what he did last night, at least most of the time.
I have to admit I am impressed with Gauthier’s picking up Halpern, Picard, and Darche. He seems to have a good eye for diamonds-in-the-rough. Hopefully he can also find gritty or sniping forward at the trade deadline. He’ll have plenty of cash for it with Markov on LTR.
Speaking of…. isn’t Markov on LTR NOW??? Basu suggests he is not. Seems weird.
“This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs
not on LTR yet. Boone said meeting with Markov his agent Gauthier and the team doctor soon.
I’d give Weber a few more games before annointing him but your point is taken. Maybe the number one requirement now is the scoring forward. It will depend on how the coming month works out. It’s a rough scedule that will test our D. In that regard I tend to agree with those who look to rotate the young D with the old D over the coming month, give Gill, Hamrlik and Spacek a well deserved rest and giving the young guys lots of playing time.
Who hacked SD’s account? There’s nary a whisper of Gomez or his contract. I searched up and down and can’t find an allusion anywhere.
Aha!!! I spotted it >> Gauthier’s picking up Halpern, Picard, and Darche
With this statement SD is actually underhandedly slamming BG for taking on Gomez’ contract. You see, PG picked up 3 players for cheap that are either scoring more or defending better than Gomez. Very clever SD. Very clever.
I still like Gomez on the team, but those pick-ups are very good indeed!!!
Just want to point out to all the PK lovers what a night it was for the rest of the team while he warmed the press box. Some might say it was planned after the lousy game he had two nights ago and his comments to the media, but let’s face facts:
-Other than Markov, no one on our team is out sick or injured. We have enough healthy bodies on the roster and enough callups that we are more than good should something happen to somone
-To that point, people are going to get scratched. You might not think the choice of ‘who’ was fair considering that some players play poorer than him on most nights but if the healthy scratch has to become a position that is rotated amongst players, then it is fair.
-Look at the numbers. EVERYONE played really good, disiplined hockey last night (for a change). There was a limited amount of fighting, there was a lot of skating, good passes, driving to the net, NOT passing to the other team, NOT taking dumb penalties and/or assisting on goals for the other team.
Need I make my point any clearer? If I was PK, I would have been watching and taking major notes. If that’s what they can do when he ISN’T in the lineup, perhaps he can find a new way to actually contribute when he IS in the lineup.
As for the win: kudos guys. A very well played, fun game to watch. Now keep this up when I’m at the game against the Sharks tomorrow afternoon and we will all be very happy campers.
dude the devils are horrible and their goalies couldn’t stop a beach ball. if PK was playing so bad why was he getting upwards of 20 minutes a game? why was he getting ice time in overtime?
Gil, hamerlik and spacek turned over the puck a ton last night… should we bench them to send a message and let them take some notes in the press box?
on a nother note very good game by webber
we are damn lucky to have PK on this team – he is THE MOST TALENTED draft pick the habs have made in the last 15 years – although Price is making a run at that honour now.
Pk is a 21 year old rookie who played OVER 25 minutes that night vs Edmonton.
You want PK to take notes on “how to contribute”???
Try replacing those 25 minutes Julie, with Spacek and Hamrlik, for example, and see how far this team will get.
It is fans like you that RUIN our young players, and when PK is nominated for rookie of the year, you should bake yourself a large HUMBLE PIE, and eat your words one forkful at a time.
This is EXACTLY why sending PK to the press box was a huge mistake – because next we will be hearing “great” fans like you booing him for turning over the puck.
Try watching the whole game – and the 49/50 times PK makes GREAT DECISIONS and clears the zone with ease because of his tremendous skating, passing, and intelligent play.
I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government. I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.
pk does actually contribute, maybe you should open your eyes. just because he has had a few bad games doesn’t mean you should be on him like that, he is rookie of the year material. ALSO, not passing to the other team? did you even watch that game or what? turned it over multiple times, especially in the neutral zone. you should rewatch the game, maybe youll learn something just like i am sure PK has 😀
Which of Benny’s goals was better – last night’s or the one against Buffalo?
last night.. that was a heck of a shot
Habs/Caps Blogger Steven Hindle has an interview with Rick Springhetti (who you can follow on Twitter) regarding Habs 2010 draft pick D Morgan Ellis.
There has been a lot of Scott Gomez bashing in this site. 2 Goals and an assist in the past five games is pretty good and the powerplay has improved.
i agree. scott is a good team guy too. i am happy to have him on our team…
we bash the contract
I have to agree! Look at it this way, we have Gomez’s contract for three years after this one, but NJ has Kovalchuk’s contract for 14 years after this one, and TB has Lecavalier’s contract for ten more years! I’ll take Gomez’s contract, thank you very much! Not saying any of them are good contracts, but based on the play of all three over the last year or so, its sorta the lesser of three evils. And really, Gomez’s contract is the only one that is remotely “tradeable”, if Montreal felt the need to try to get rid of him.
I suspect you’re not really who you say you are 😉
in pat’s game story he says the hedberg hook was one of the quickest in nhl history. does anyone have stats on that? really hard to imagine any other goalie being yanked after 2 minutes. curious on that one…
How long did Jose last in the first game against the Habs in the playoffs last season? About 8 seconds after the coach just came out and answered the question does Theo have a short leash??? Boudreau answered that Theo won his last 19 or somthing and that he would rather have ‘HIS’ guy in goals than any of the other big goalies in the league….
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
Then criticize Glen Sather. Who will refuse an offer like that.
Just because Sather signed gomez to the deal doesnt mean bob gainey had to trade for it. He traded for Gomez and that ridiculous contract, which than allowed the rangers to sign Gaborik.
Anyways, if Gomez plays the way he is capable, no one will complain about him. Maybe he’s been playing better lately, but up until about 5 games ago, he was completely useless.
It does not matter that the Rangers were able to sign Gaborik…what matters is what/how they do with Gaborik and the results: did not make the playoffs last year due to a shootout loss in which Gaborik was not used, called out as lazy by Tortorella last week and they are currently a middle-of-the-pack team with him in the lineup putting up good numbers (so not much different from the Habs nor from HI/O predictions).
“I am guilty of using elipses…”
Uhhh… I just had a comment deleted.
I said “God-damn, that was the most BORING 5-1 victory I’ve ever seen. I love the result, but please, no more like that?”
Is there a problem with that comment, moderators?
—Hope Springs Eternal—
I’m looking for spelling errors and anger issues and I see nothing. Maybe they don’t like you referring to the diety known as god in a down manner.
You took the Lord’s name in vain… For shame
Agreed. He’s coming along really nicely. I’m glad to have him on the team.
I don’t think he fell down last night either
nono he tripped over the blue line 2 or 3 times :-p
We need a third event to create the Pouliot hat trick: a goal, a falldown and a…?
And a hooking penalty? Not that I’m trying to put down anyone.
The Devils are interesting because they (usually) somehow manage to bring their A-game against us. Last night was a welcome exception.
PK is getting a lot of ice time because sometimes he plays well and sometimes he doesn’t and certain other player aren’t playing to their full potentional so JM doesn’t have much of a choice. Like I said, all of our guys (cept number 79) are healthy right now. They can’t ALL be in the line-up. I think PK needed a night off. When your poor play results in not one by two goals: you NEED some kind of wakeup call.
The team 990 talks about JM being a veterans coach. He won’t sit Gomer, Gill, Spacek, Hamrlik, etc when they have an off night. He’ll sit the rookies because he can afford to. Their play improved, you can’t say it didn’t. And there were no goal costing mistakes made.
Their play didn’t improve because PK was out of the lineup. They have been alternating between wins and losses for the past several games and that trend simply continued last night. Hopefully the trend stops on Saturday.
It’s actually a bit of a scary trend, isn’t it? We used to sortof be able to predict which teams would give us a really hard time and which ones would be cakewalks, but it’s hard to predict wins and losses for the Habs at all based on recent game stats.
Sweetie, I have watched every game this season and been to several. You can’t say that PK’s attitude and whatnot are not getting ahead of him and getting in the way of his playing ability just a little bit.
Rookie of the year? Puh lease.
I’m not ruining anyone, as it so happens. See my comment below on the choice JM has to make when he has a fully healthy roster.
And for the record? PK makes more mistakes than the others.
When you’re at the game, take some notes.
Watch the D-men carefully.
If you still believe this statement you have made above, then its possible we’re not watching the same game.
As for “rookie of the year” – certainly PK is one of the top 5 candidates.
That is a generally accepted fact around the whole league.
Being a Calder candidate does not make Subban exempt from accounting for his mistakes. Twice his late-game mistakes have put teams back in the game and led to them beating the Habs in OT.
He’s great, but he has to start thinking a little more defence-first, this is not the AHL where his great skating allows hims to clear up almost any mistake, he has to think about being caught against players who can move like he can or close enough so that their head starts means he can’t catch them. Plenty of greats have been benched for making mistakes because they were over confident in their talents. This won’t harm PK long term, it’s going to help him.
PK’s pass to Cammy bounced right off his tape – and there was no one lining up Cammy for a hit either.
Cammy blew a 10 foot pass, and everyone calls it a “suicide” pass??
And, moreover, I was responding the poster’s “suggestion” that PK needs to learn how to make a proper
contribution to this team???
For shoots sake – why is Martin playing him 25 minutes if he’s playing worse than the others? – which is another staement the poster made – that PK makes more mistakes than the other d-men.
Martin is the WORST coach PK could have – he will contniue to “punish” PK and “punish” PK until Pk feels
the same way the other young players in this organisation feel.
And if you don’t believe me, why don’t you take a look at some of YOUR POSTS from last season SF’09.
When you and I were discussing Boucher – and his options for 2010/11 – you were VERY CONCERNED about the way Martin was handling the Habs youngsters.
Now that you’re on the HIO payroll, I guess you’re no longer allowed to criticise Martin’s “old school” tactics.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I overreacted too much last season, to the point where I was actually in favour of a 1-year tank as well. I admit that but I am trying to take in a longer view these days and acknowledge that JM’s system is paying dividends. Maybe these dividends aren’t exactly what we want but things aren’t always going to go the way we want them to.
Lars Eller and Tom Pyatt feel very confident right now judging by their play, notice Benoit Pouliot’s improved play as well this season, he’s had some exceptional games lately. Andrei Kostitsyn is backchecking. That’s something he never did on a regular basis. Some players don’t work with all coachs hence why some young players were let go as well. Mke Babcock I consider to be the best coach in the NHL, but he couldn’t get out of Villa Leino what PHI is getting out of him, not even close. Subban has a tendency to think of the offensive play sometimes without thinking about what happens if he can’t make the opportunity work his way. He is incredibly talented but he has to temper that with some better defensive awareness.
Subban has been played by JM to the point where he is the 2nd-leading rookie in TOI over the season. He’s not punishing him constantly, just giving him a lesson about how he’s got to think about playing defence first in a tight game. It’s about tempering him so he becomes a more complete 2-way defender. JM likes to shock his opponents by playing a young defencemen who can take the puck end to end and confound them with great play, but he also knows it’s a double-edged sword and he needs Subban to be more conservative in certain situations.
HA! I was in favour of more than a 1 year tank and it wasn’t an over-reaction. It was a begrudging admission that today’s NHL is stacked in favour of those teams that do bottom out, for consecutive years, all financed by revenue sharing. What I didn’t see at the time was that BG had a plan to set things right long term. The Habs are still up against the odds as teams that do tank will invariably have the edge, at least as far as budding young talent is concerned. The difference is the Habs have more capital to play with and can invest in a 1st class farm system. That way they can make NHL players out of diamonds in the rough they select in later rounds.
I admit it. I like watching
Subban, I like that he’s cocky and plays with confidence. I think he’s a unique talent and reminds me
of 80s hockey with guys like Paul Coffey rushing the puck instead of making
boring, safe passes. I wouldn’t have
benched him (for what that’s worth).
However, in the games since Cherry’s rants started, he SEEMS
to have stepped up his pushing and yapping after the play. So, it might be time to remind a young player
to play controlled. Not
“safe”, but “controlled”.
Ultimately, I fear that SF09’s point about Babcock/ Leino Martin
might be the long term result. JM and PK may not be sympatico. Like Coffey and other high-skill, offensive
defensemen, PK is HIGH risk/reward. Martin
could adapt Subban’s to play a more subdued style. But that might be waste.
Hear, hear. Spell the veterans wherever possible to lessen their workload over the season in preparation for the playoffs, and to give younger players more opportunity to gain experience. Recognizing, of course, this will involve mistakes being made, but are valuable in the long run as learning tools.
But you admit he has things to learn? I may be slightly wrong but not completely. Thanks for proving my point.
every player has things to learn, even if they are a veteran. way to ignore my other point though about your failure to recognize that we didn’t make good passes ;D
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