What happens now?

• Michael Farber on a thin crop

• Eric Duhatschek on the impending UFAs

Cap space

Top Dmen available

And …

• Yvon Pedneault on the trade

Mathias Brunet’s take

Frankie the Bull welcomes SK74

Robert L’s analysis

•  •  •

The worst news of the off-season is Chris’s decision to stop posting Comments at Habs Inside/Out.

Chris knows his hockey, and his analyses are always insightful and provocative. His opinions stand out in a environment where, too often, the gargoyles take over the cathedral.

The people who run this zoo are hoping he reconsiders.



  1. JIMVINNY says:

    I feel for Chris, and understand his frustration.  That being said, there is still plenty of good discussion going on here, and if you doesn’t respond to the trolls, then they aren’t a problem.  A thick skin should be a pre-requisite for an internet forum, as should be an internal “ignore” button.

  2. Mr_MacDougall says:

    So, If that is what you think of Hamrlik, why would a team like Anahiem take him for nothing? wouldn’t it be more likely that we would have to take on a contract that the “trading partner” views as a “bad contract”

  3. Puck Bard says:

    That’s an awefully expensive mentor

  4. Psycho29 says:

    Or the “Buy Pat Hickey a newer car” fund.

  5. mike g says:

    I’m waiting for Georfes to re-up too before I get his, and it might be with the “C” too….

    Anyways, like I said let me know. I’m making an order next Monday, the same order that includes my Steven Stamkos jersey!

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  6. Puck Bard says:

    If Recci can get a one-year deal worth $1 million from the Bruins surely there’s a spot in the league for Mike Modano.

  7. mike g says:

    I’m not sure, I’ll try figure something out and let you know.

    I gotta leave now, but I’m working 12-8 today. So I’ll be back here between those hours. When you see me post something, jump into the convo and well c how we can work it out alright?

    See ya later.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  8. ed lopaz says:

    after reading Robert L’s analysis – which should be required reading for everyone here – I can’t help but wonder

    Why the Habs would hold on to Hamrlik’s 5.5 million cap hit??

    you guys have countered with the following answers in the past

    1) he’s very reliable, not bad at all, and was excellent when Markov went down last year

    2) he’s a mentor for Subban and O’byrne

    3) he’s a veteran, experience is key

    but we are nickle and diming important players, looking to save 100,000 here and 200,000 there, and there’s

    Hamrlik, our # 6 d-man making 5.5 million per?

    Clearly Markov, Subban, Gorges, Gill, Spacek, are all more valuable than Hamrlik.

    Only Markov is making more than Hamrlik.

    Even if we get a 4th, 5th round pick from Anahaim, for example – which has a need for an experienced d-man and tons of cap room to spend (I’ve heard amongst the most room in the league),

    it would free up the room to let the team make better decisions.

    Of course, I’m not saying anything that the Habs brass doesn’t know – I just hope they can make it happen.


  9. Natrous says:

    They need to ban their IP for 30 days for first-time offenders or something like that, and up that to 90 days for second-timers.. banning accounts doesn’t make sense, but banning IPs will make people think twice about personal attacks.

  10. joeybarrie says:

    I agree with what your saying, but nasty email to me is the same as emails for viagra, enlargement, UK lottery, and Nigerian Princes… They are a fact that you can simply ignore, block and DELETE. Its like asking to never get bad news or junk mail. I put a mail box in front of my house and I wrote on the sign I only want good mail. No junk, no bills and no solicitation. I cannot understand why I am still getting my bills…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  11. Natrous says:

    Hey Mike, I’d be interested in that connection of yours, but I can’t find your email. How can I contact you besides this super-open forum? :) Thanks!

  12. TomNickle says:

    If anyone it would very likely be Gorges or Gionta.

    Already having Markov’s I don’t imagine I’d go any further than either of those two.

    I would probably wait for Gorges to get an extension prior to grabbing his uni.

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t think you need to implement moderators (except for partuclarly offensive language as you suggested).

    This is the busiest garderie in Montreal. No need to repair what isn’t broken.

  14. TomNickle says:

    Not at even strength or on the Penalty kill.

    If you glance at my post again Paul you’ll see I was saying that I would bring Bergeron back only if he and Markov were healthy so that Markov could eat his 5 on 5 minutes.

    Bergeron only works on the Powerplay for me.

  15. Fansincebirth says:

    I’m okay with this trade and I hope everything works out for all involved. I loved SK when he was on his game but he has a lot of maturing to do and it won’t happen in Montreal so it was best to move him.

    With regards to Chris…I have often come on here and have been disgusted by the name calling and the constant drone of some posters who want nothing more than to get under people’s skin. Unfortunately, there isn’t much the moderators can do. Ban them and they sign back up under a new name. There are times when I need to take a break from here because the constant bashing gets to me and I hope it’s the same for Chris and any others who walk away. Name calling on this board is one thing but when it coomes to attack emails, well, that goes beyond good taste and sportsmanship….

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  16. TomNickle says:

    I took a break around Christmas because of negativity, not trolls or anything like that.

    I certainly have a small group of people on this site who’s opinions I despise.

    I’m not a fan of your dislike for Price, Gainey and Co. but at the very least we can be civil.  There are people on this site who are only interested in drawing others into name calling.  I fall for it far too often but that doesn’t make me any less guilty than those who are instigating.

    Chris leaving is a bit of a wakeup call for me not to engage those people.  I’m at the point where I’ll stick with people who actually contribute something in the way of knowledge and insight, other than that, I’m not interested.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    Woah! Bergeron!

    You think Hamrlik is bad and you want Bergeron?

  18. joeybarrie says:

    You should never let OTHER people decide for you what to do and what not to do.

    If we all let the idiots, the negative nellies and the attackers decide for us what define’s us and how we express ourselves, then we would probably never leave our house.

    It doesn’t matter where you go or what you do there will still be people like that we all must deal with. We must remember that these are only words, and it is only ourselves who can allow the insults to hurt us.

    It doesnt matter where you go there are always going to be these types. WE must deal with them, and no one else. Ignoring the fact does nothing but encourage more. I am sorry to say, but giving up is NEVER the answer. If it was where would we be in history. It is no different in any type of society regarless of the parameters, size or limitations.

    The majority of people here are constructive, offer different sides and lead to a interesting forum. We cannot allow the few to ruin that. In fact if we do then not only is it OUR fault ONLY, but OUR loss ONLY.

  19. Jbird says:

    Me too – The only problem with that jersey it that it’s from 1984 and a bit small.   My 5 Year old nephew is wearing now.

  20. SlovakHab says:

    Now that someone below posted Chris’s avatar was Naslund, I remember who he is. A decent poster I’d say, too bad to see him go.

    As for the suggestions part, I’d welcome an option of not showing a comment of a person that I choose to hide and a rule that permits only a limited amount of posts per 1 page (say 7-10; I remember Tony frequently had 14-15 posts per page). That could be the start. Also blocking a person so he/she couldn’t send you an e-mail could also be an idea.

    I understand the freedom of speech on any forum, but once it starts ruining your enjoyment of the website, it doesn’t do any good.

  21. mike g says:

    Judging by your style, I ‘d see you wearing only a couple of current Habs’ jerseys…

    Georges, Cammy, Pleks, and maybe Gio. Anyways, if you want one e-mail me. Takes about 3-4 weeks to get shipped to ur house. 40 bux CDN, tax in.

    And I can get most star players from other teams incase your looking for yourself or for a gift.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  22. G-Man says:

    E-mailing some1 over a hockey disagreement is crossing way over the line. Threatening them is beyond the pale. All we’re reading is other fans’ opinions. In real life, this forum does not matter. I talk hockey with friends and co-workers all the time. HIO adds to the passion. Great articles and excellent links to more thought-and-comment provoking opinions is what makes HIO so addicting. Many posters are annoying and repeat ad nauseum (I certainly do), but all of us are born with our very own censor. Apply it once in a while and don’t respond to posters you believe are trolls.

  23. smiler2729 says:

    Perfectly put.

  24. smiler2729 says:

    Years ago, I got a Habs jersey and put my nickname and birthday number on it. I’ll never get traded.

  25. mike g says:

    To those who often question the acquisitions/non-acquisitions of PG since he took over, I think we should all look at his changes and smile…

    Dominic Moore was acquired for a 2nd round pick. Sounded like a steep price to pay at the time, but man was the guy reliable and a good example for the team throughout the playoffs.

    Now, SK and his bag of miseries was traded for one of the top UFA goalies and a role player. Even if were unable to sign Boyd, this deal gets my approval for one reason; SK was thaught to be worth nothing more than a bag of popcorn. Were well aware of the SK fiasco, and I think most hockey people on this site would agree that simply dumping him for nothing would have improved the team in many ways. To get something for him, and something half decent, seemed way out of the question.

    Good job PG.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  26. Big Bird says:

    Couple of cents from the peanut gallery:

    (1) I’m disappointed to hear that Chris is no longer posting.  I agree with Krob100 that a sabbatical is all that may be required.

    (2) The expression ‘Don’t let the ba$tards drag you down’ comes to mind.  But I can understand that once you start getting personal emails it borders on the ridiculous.  Who needs that?  If it happened to me I would have simply forwarded the emails to Stubbs, Boone, Mio and asked the senders be banned from the site.  I’ve had people make racist comments before and they have been deleted/shut-down immediately.

    (3) Rather than feel anger at those people who send nasty emails, I’d feel pity for them.  Why? They have nothing better to do on their lives than send nasty emails to a fellow fan that comments on a sports blog. Think about it for a minute.  It’s pretty sad.  They must not have a lot going for them in life.

    (4) I also don’t expect Boone and those guys to moderate this site full-time because it’s just not realistic.  Their job is to write for a newspaper and not baby-sit a bunch of kids.  We all know who the idiots are.  Deal with them in the most appropriate way.


  27. Puck Bard says:

    Travel ’round the country and meet us all individually, one-on-one… get to know us, maybe even love us.

  28. smiler2729 says:

    Gonchar’s in Sergei Zubov territory now. His best is behind him, yeah, that image of Moen just going around him, in a playoff game no less, is damning.

  29. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, he’s guilty of what you stated but so are a lot of NHL defencemen, superstars on down. It’s the frequency of them that set off alarm bells. The Hammer’s jumping the shark on that line and last season at his age, it had to do with his increased ice time due to injuries that led to more obvious miscues than not.

    If his ice time can be relative to his age, he’ll be fine. Konisarek, for example, in his last Hab season was horrible for those same reasons and I was flabbergasted that Toronto threw $5 million a year at him for it.

  30. Malreg says:

    Mr Boone,

    Why not hire more moderators?  It doesn’t cost anything, as everyone would do it for free, and many would line up to offer their services.  You don’t even have to give them the power to ban people, just the power to delete useless and off-topic posts.  It would make the comments section a much more fun, and clean space for the real fans.

  31. TomNickle says:

    Thanks Mike, I’ll let ya know.  Very doubtful though.  I have to like a guy A LOT to get a jersey.  I don’t wear them that often, not even at games.

    Last jersey I got was Markov, that was four years ago.

    Last one before that was Muller although I was close to getting a Bulis jersey(just kidding).

  32. Corio says:

    Chris will probably show up again with an alt..  he won’t be able to stay away imo..

  33. Big Bird says:

    Well said.

  34. smiler2729 says:

    Tom, you’re not guilty of childish debates but rather being drawn into them either defending yourself or trying to fight the good fight and trying to get the morons to shape up. I’m guilty of that, too, we have to resist the trolls and walk away but y’know… sometimes… argh!

  35. Puck Bard says:

    Ode To A Recent Churn

    We never even ever met,

    Yet your departure I regret,

    Your devilish frame in silouette,

    For the Habs you’d come to vet,

    All you really hoped to get,

    Was one more puck into the net,

    and some hockey tête-à-tête,

    Now you’re Boone’s new teacher’s pet.



  36. TomNickle says:

    If Markov and Bergeron weren’t injured I’d say bring MAB back because Markov could eat up his 5 on 5 minutes.

    If you’re looking for an offensive ability out of your defenseman, Bergeron is just as capable as Gonchar.  

    If you’re looking for somebody who can play 5 on 5 too, Gonchar can do that but is no more reliable on the defensive side than Hamrlik.  That’s much more of a blast on Gonchar than it is a vote of confidence in Hamrlik from me.

  37. TomNickle says:

    Really Paul?

    Come on, throw me a nugget here.  I’m trying to like him, seriously I am, just in case we’re stuck with him.

    I see a guy who traps himself with the puck in our zone with nobody to pass to because he’s taken himself so far out of the play.

    A guy who routinely loses his man around our net.

    A guy who gets beat at our blueline like clockwork.

    When he does get a pass off cleanly I find it’s too hard for the target to handle.

    I find that if he’s down low on the walls he’s good at pinning the puck carrier on the boards and coming out with the puck.  That’s honestly the only positive I see in the guy’s game, I really hope he’s great in the room.

    Gimmie some things you like about his game cuz I’m looking here……PLEASE.

  38. mike g says:

    LOL, don’t worry I gotta change mine too.

    But it’s not like I was ever wearing it, I was too embarassed. It just stayed there collecting dust, so it’s probably better that I give it to a little kid or something now.

    Hey btw, if you need a new jersey let me know, I get them dirt cheap. Really cheap…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  39. Iceberg84 says:

    I think he’s definitely an upgrade over Hamrlik though, and I’ve always been curious to see what it would be like to have Gonchar and Markov play together on an NHL team. It would make MAB obsolete (not that he was coming back anyway) and would guarantee a better PP next year. If he can get 50 points again next season, I don’t think anyone will mind a minus rating (unless it’s a -25 like Souray a few years ago).

  40. HabFanSince72 says:

    The problem is finding a team willing to take Hamrlik.

    Actually Hamrlik was, on balance,  a good player for us last year. Unfortunately, he ain’t getting any younger.

  41. TomNickle says:

    Thanks Mike!  Ya jerk, gotta go change my sweater now.

  42. arcosenate says:

    I remember Travis Moen beating Gonchar to the outside in the playoffs. Not a good sign defensively. But on the PP, he’s the best. Noone will take Hamrlik though, at $5.5 million.

    Please don’t attack me personally, I have a wife and family.


  43. mike g says:

    The best thing about waking up this morning?…..

    Seeing my SK74 jersey in the closet, and screaming “F-U, ya loser!”


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  44. twilighthours says:

    Yes sir, I do feel like walking away.  I didn’t even come to HIO during the playoffs.  Couldn’t handle all the pea-brains after every opponent’s scored goal.

  45. arcosenate says:

    That’s Friday isn’t it?

  46. Mike Boone says:

    Or the Mike Boone Freedom 62 Retire to the Bahamas Fund

  47. krob1000 says:

    Hey Chris,

    I don’t have your email anymore as I lost my entire outlook and had to start it from scratch a few months back but I can tell you from personal experience that a brief sabbatical is all that is necessary.  I got really fed up after free agencyl last year and then again right before the playoffs and shortly after them and didn’t post for a few weeks or a couple of months both times…kept reading though (mainly to see what a handful of you guys were discussing).  Sometimes a handful of people decide to squash intelligent discussion and on more than a few occasions I have let myself get sucked in all too easily and amazingly you don’t.  I got the bug back and have been a little better of late at avoiding the circus if ya know what I mean.  Take a week or two and get back on here cause you are very, very needed. 

     You are hands down the most informative and rational person on here and although we sometimes disagree (not too often though). Like the great majority here, I always read your posts and strongly believe anyone would be foolish not to consider your perspective on virtually any issue regardless of their stance or position on anything Habs related.  I am not going to accept that you will not be posting and hope you just take a break…a brief break but take what is necessary.  The handful of mouthier posters who you are  having issues(who isn’t?) with are very vocal but I can promise you they are a small fraction of the population here and you would be hard pressed to find 2 percent of peole on here who would not be terriobly disappointed if you really did leave.  Now I know you won;t respond to this but if you did you would probably let me know that that statisticv I threw out there can’t be proved or could be reversed, or flipped, dipped, stripped or something…and that is exaclty why we need you.  Expect to hear from you sooner than later.


  48. dh says:

    Not sure how difficult an ignore button would be but if there are any changes, it needs to be something like that which lets the user decide who or what they want to ignore.

    I don’t think censoring anyone, except based on the criteria that Boone mentioned above, is the way to go.

  49. TomNickle says:

    I’d be happy with a guy who wasn’t a liability for 60 games.

    Gonchar isn’t exactly reliable defensively in my opinion though.

    Rather invest that money in a banger up front or a guy like Martin, even though he’s a little injury prone.

  50. TomNickle says:

    I’m late getting in on what happened but from what I gather this isn’t about annoying posts or Price bashing, Halak bashing, Gomez bashing, etc.

    I believe this is about personal attacks that have gone too far.  Namely via email.

    For the people who have gone to such lengths in disagreement with somebody about a hockey matter, you’re pathetic and should be ashamed.

    I’m as guilty as anyone for getting into childish debates about Habs related discussions but would never email another poster to insult them or continue an argument away from this forum.

    Speaking as a guy who has way too much time on his hands between 8am and 3pm, you can find better things to do with your free time than to attack somebody else outside of HIO.

    Unbelievable that somebody would go that far, and how they got that far with Chris is beyond me.  He’s about as level headed as they come and doesn’t look to instigate.  

  51. dh says:

    But then you have to actually read the posts.  It’s probably easier to just ignore the posters that you expect are jerks.

    One thing that web forums lack over the NNTP newsgroups is the lack of a kill file.

  52. Puck Bard says:

    “All that aside, let’s talk hockey”:


    I’d love that too (at 1/2 the price), but I don’t see it happening. Also, I’d rather get some more youth upfront then pay all that dough for more of the same.

  53. Puck Bard says:

    double-double (toil and trouble)


  54. Iceberg84 says:

    All that aside, let’s talk hockey! I’d love to see Montreal somehow sign Gonchar for the same money he made last year and trade Hamrlik. If we’re going to pay $5+ million on a defenseman, we may as well spend it on someone who’s reliable (offensively and defensively) all year round without needing power naps mid season.

  55. adrian says:

    I know there is always alot of french canadian bonk when it comes to drafting signing etc.  However all that aside I was hoping to sign Biron.  His # were poor last season for sure, but The Islanders are terrible.  I hope we don’t overpay for Dan Ellis however I do actually like the Dustin for Sergei move.

  56. Iceberg84 says:

    The fact of the matter is, every website with a comments section is full of ignorant, racist, hateful and generally aggressive remarks. In my opinion, HIO is actually one of the lighter websites in this regard. Have you guys seen comments in your average Youtube video? Or news sites like CNN.com or the Montreal Gazette? There is some serious HATE going on elsewhere. I always thought the trolls here were kind of dumb and sad in certain ways, but it’s nothing compared to the absurd comments you’ll see elsewhere. The feelings people have about sports teams pale in comparison to their opinions on larger subjects like religion, politics, the taboo subjects like gay marriage and abortion or even crime! People use the Internet to leave despicable remarks all the time because it’s anonymous. It sort of comes with the territory these days.

    Anyway, that said, I totally understand why someone wouldn’t want to participate in a forum like this if they’re getting personal e-mails insulting them. It’s just not worth the frustration of knowing you can never really ‘win’ against the ignorant. It’s sort of like getting into a verbal disagreement with a drunk. No matter what you say, he’ll always retort with a ‘no, YOU shut up!’ ‘no, YOU’RE stupid!’ etc etc.


  57. BJ says:

    What about an overall rating system of annoying posts and if a certain percentage is passed than out. As I’m also tired of online fights and the last word…. I enjoy the many perspectives of many posters, the views may vary from mine at times but are still nonetheless valid. But I don’t want to have to sift through endless argumentative posts. Hope their is a way to resolve this.

  58. twilighthours says:

    This might kill the chronological way the comments are organized, which (I think) is crucial to the site.  Especially crucial during live-game blogs.

  59. G-Man says:

    Whining with positivity: I am so happy with the direction Habs management has taken regarding the goaltending situation in Montreal. Too bad Price ain’t ready….yet.

    Does that meet your criteria?

  60. 123456 says:

    advice well placed but not taken. trools go away if starved for attention, not unlike a small rodent moving the where the food is pleantiful.

    folks the best we can do is ignore users as needed, i am all for debate just keep it civil…. oh and remember if anyone of us were better than gainy, PG, price, even sergie we would not be posting would we??


    secret mod

  61. smiler2729 says:

    I know you know.

    It’s just maddening that the babybrains win, you’ve been here 2+ years too, don’t ya feel like just walking away sometimes after being inundated by the constant troll BS? I mean you end up doing more scrolling than anything to get back to any rare intelligent discussion you do happen to get. And most of the time after someone posts an intelligent comment, they’re called juvenile names just for having an opinion.

  62. CERF says:

    Mr. Boone,

    It was mentioned yesterday that HIO should implement a “thumbs up/down” feature where REGISTERED users get one “vote” per comment which would keep the most liked comments would get a thumbs up would be pushed towards the top and the troll like comments which would get a thumbs down would be pushed down. If i am not mistaken this is how youtube comments work.


  63. TomNickle says:


    Sad day.  

  64. twilighthours says:

    Smiler, I know!  I got it, thanks! ;)

  65. slamtherimtim says:

    you should charge a minimum amount so the cheap asses will stay away , kinda like that other site where nothing comes true , then you could use that money for the summit or put it to upgrading the site to have an ignore button , all that matters is the end result

  66. Thomas Le Fan says:

    The comment section of this site has been mostly ruined by trolls, haters, whiners and complainers. What we need is a *”NEVER HAPPY”* logo for certain posters. Either that or an “ignore” button. My suggested rules? No whining without at least some positivity or you get the *! No childish, sexist avatars! No politics! No trolls!    

    Go Habs!  

  67. smiler2729 says:

    The point is really not that Chris has stepped away, it’s that he is one of too many that have valid, interesting takes on things that have decided to pack up and leave or just become silent because the idiotfest has taken over here.


  68. secretdragonfly says:

    Very disappointing – when things degenerate into personal attacks via email, maybe it is time to step back.

    Chris's picture

    After 4+ years on this website, I’m packing it in. 

    What used to be a pretty fun environment to talk hockey has been degrading more and more into pettiness, cliques and personal attacks.  The clincher has been the last week, where almost every page features one or more instances of people resorting to personal attacks in discussions and some not so friendly e-mails showing up in my e-mail inbox in the morning.  I get enough of that in real life…I don’t need to come to a website that used to be a form of entertainment to get it as well.

    To those that found me arrogant or a know-it-all, you have my apologies.  I’ve been trying to contribute my opinions over the years, and as a rather analytical person by nature, those often tended to be stat-heavy and/or laden with references, often obscure.  I recognize that that obsession with stats grated on some people, as did the length of my posts  (sorry Yeats…but I’m leaving one more before I go!)

    To those who have contributed the many thoughtful and entertaining contributions over the years, even some of you who I often had disagreements with (yes you, HardHabits and Yeats), you have my thanks.  I’ve probably spent far too many hours on this website over the past few years, and you and the HI/O Overlords were the reasons why.

    Hope you all enjoy the UFA frenzy, and of course, I hope that you all have a wonderfully exciting Montreal Canadiens team to cheer towards a Stanley Cup.  For far too many Habs fans, Stanley Cup victories are mythical things that can only be referenced as the proud legacy of a franchise seemingly struggling with mediocrity in recent years…I think we all hope that that changes as soon as possible, even if we often disagree on how exactly the team should get there!  ;)

  69. notbigbird says:

    The thing is, Mike, that it takes almost as long to vet the poster as it does to skim through the posts. I find myself getting aggravated over reading some of the clowns one more time, but I’ve often read the post or much of it before I figure that out. This BB could really stand an upgrading. I’m not trying to be one of the malcontents when I say that BTW — just observing.

  70. twilighthours says:

    Listen, I feel your (our) pain.  It’s often difficult to ignore the idiots, though.  You can agree with me on that one.

    I think the best solution – as many posters have suggested – is to implement an “ignore” button.  So I can ignore anything Timo or Tony ever post and never even see it.  Unfortunately, this seems technically difficult to do. 

  71. WarHero says:

    Sorry to hear that Chris has decided to step away. His loss is a loss for all of HIO.

    I will gladly volunteer to police the boards if needed. I, for one, am sick of reading the same garbage from the same people all the time.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  72. Mike Boone says:

    What criteria would you suggest we implement?

    The monitors were deputized to excise cuss words, racism, homophobia and the like. Stupidity is more difficult to define, and getting ride of it is a labour-intensive chore for which, quite frankly, we just don’t have the horses.

    The best I can do is advise everyone to skip past the idiotic ravings of the usual suspects and focus on the good stuff.

  73. TomNickle says:

    What went down Mr. Boone?

    Those of us who use HIO as an avenue to sanity need to know.



  74. twilighthours says:

    There’s no question that Chris is an intelligent guy, but I have always found him self-important and not worth the read.

    However, if some of the clowns on this site have driven him away, then that is sad indeed.  I wish the HIO higher-ups would crack down on these bozos.  The extra site hits can’t be worth that much, can they?

    As for Sergei, good-bye and so long, sucker! 


  75. twocents says:

    The people who run this zoo… could be more proactive about nurturing an appropriate tone on the site.

    I’m no expert, I don’t visit any other public boards. But, I do know there are options out there to limit the screen presence of the type of nonsense that drove Chris away.

    If you are serious about wanting to keep quality posters like Chris, do something about the crap that takes place here. The comment section has essentially become a waste of time. The articles are still great.

    And deputizing a few posters, with a limited agenda, is not the answer. I’ve seen numerous technological proposals over the past two years from posters. None have been implemented. Try one, at least it would add credence to your plea for Chris to reconsider. If it proves problematic, try to refine it. If it’s a dead end, or has too many negative side effects, try another approach.


  76. TomNickle says:

    I have no sympathy for Chicago, ticket prices were $2 a pop there four years ago.  They stopped showing up.  That’s inexcusable to me.

    I went to game 4 against the Caps and the wife picked out a Price shirt while I was deciding on which one I’d like.  I couldn’t choose, bought a Markov, Subban, Cammalleri, Gionta and threw a Gomez in there because I wanted to contribute to a statistic that may in some small way help to justify the acquisition.  Not that I loved the trade, just supporting it, if that makes sense.

    Anywhoo, on the Isles.  I think teams that have been tanking are in for a big surprise.  I may be proven wrong on this but I think guys like John Tavares and Taylor Hall will have to modify their games in a dramatic fashion to enjoy success at the NHL level.  They’re going up against NHL defensemen now, not high schoolers who can’t stop their between the legs dangles.  Their games as they are don’t translate well to the pro level, their speed, brains and net drive do though.



  77. 24 Cups says:

    TNT – The Isles are still playing a cat and mouse game to get a new arena and the Preds are the Preds.

    You’re right about the Avs falling out of the sky for one year but man did they make a quick turn around.  Quite a contrast to the lost years that teams like St. Louis, LA and Chicago had to endure. 

  78. Puck Bard says:

    Isles suffering 15-year after-shock from the Dipietro debacle. 

  79. doug says:

    RE: Chris – he was decent enough to tell us he’d had enough.  Another 10-20 quality posters also just gave up.  We need to think about who is discouraging the forum and debate.  I gave up in March, although in no way am I suggesting anyone should spend a moment worrying about that relative to Chris.  There are precious few people who ruin it for me but those precious few are enough.

    Good luck, Chris et al.  I would like to say I read the comments for your input but I actually just don’t read the comments much anymore. . . just come here for the articles written by the paid constituents.

    As others said, though, it’s probably a bit disingenuous to suggest I won’t be back when I get more into the swing of things.

  80. andrewberkshire says:

    Some people are just too funny to ignore.

  81. cautiousoptimist says:

    From what I understand, the problem wasn’t that he was getting picked on in the schoolyard — it’s that his e-mail inbox was being flooded with private messages from some disgruntled poster.  That would tick me off too.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  82. pic1983 says:

    I agree.  Disagreements and passion are one thing, but when it gets juvenile and personal, its over the top.

    Maybe HIO should put a “report this post” button and it will get e-mailed to a mod for review.

  83. 123456 says:

    i would hope most understand that ellis and boyd are UFA’s come 7/1, but for those that do not at least your post can educate them…albiet could have been in a more positive tone. what noone knows are the “future considerations” which are generally nothing but in this trade i am guessing would be something nice should SK put up some good numbers with his new team….. i would also suspect if neither ellis nor boyd are signed by 7/1 the habs get some sort of pick, likely not a great one.

    in the end it is clear SK was sent away for another teams “what-if”, most think this is good because SK was detremental to the team.

    while i have always been a SK supporter – enough is enough and it’s good to see hime gone, i can only hope that AK will have a great season and this will be positive for him.


    secret mod

  84. nickster13 says:

    So much talk about Chris. I think everyone has a not-so-secret man crush/bromance.

    Just teasing… its all good, good posters shouldnt leave i know

  85. cautiousoptimist says:

    Great idea.  Hitting that button would help a lot more than replying with an angry tirade.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  86. fuhgawz says:

    i have been here for 2 years and 32 weeks i do not post that often but its sad to see guys leave who add knowledge to the site. 

  87. Storm Man says:

    Edmonton is happy no buyout.

  88. HardHabits says:

    I’ve been trying my HardHabitsest to alienate you with my mindless meanderings but you still keep coming back for more punishment. When will you ever learn dougo? When will you ever learn?

  89. SLONCOLD says:

    smiler2729  brought up a good point that goalies have to make adjustments from game to game. One of the problems in the phlly series was the flyers were getting alot more time and space to shoot and when you get that extra fraction of a second, you can start nailing your shots.

    The other thing i would like to add is one of the worst things a goalie can do to himself is start thinking too much about a developing play and worry about the top part of the net. the hesistation that comes with that thinking can make the rest of you game just fall apart. The same applies to Price, he lost some tough games this year and as habs fans we were always too hard on him(myself included, my bromance with halak didn’t help lol) but the bottom line is not to mess with prices techniques beacuse 1 weak bloker high goal went in on 50 shots…

  90. pic1983 says:

    I agree. I have absolutely no problem with this site. 

    Frankly, we dont need an ignore button, just dont read the post or respond to it if its a person you deem to be a troll.  Plain and simple.

  91. andrewberkshire says:

    Nice to see you around Doug, I’ve missed your input around here. Even you making fun of me.

  92. avatar_58 says:

    So is this a hockey site or 90210? I for one come here for talk about the habs, not hab fans. I don’t really care who the trolls are, who hurt your feelings or whatever. Just start posting HAB topics ok?

    Otherwise why am I clicking comments? None of this is worth reading.

  93. PrimeTime says:

    Whether you agree, disagree, or have yet to form an opinion on the SK trade, Robert L’s analysis provides a good read and worthy of the 2-3 minutes of your time.



    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  94. eurekabru says:

    It’s all the French media’s fault. ALL OF IT!!!

  95. Bugs says:

    And his e-mail box being flooded will come to an end now that he doesn’t post here anymore? I don’t see the relation.

    Because if that’s the reason, I find it curious that no one could’ve informed him that one can CHANGE his or her e-mail account and be done with e-bombs directly, whether he posts here or not.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  96. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think Saku, even if Teemu retires will stick with Anaheim. MIN is farther from a Cup than ANA by a long shot and if he does switch teams he’ll be looking for a team edging into the Contender race. Also, his family may have input on this, Minnesota V California, not a contest really for life off of the rink.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  97. doug says:

    i feel you can take a little because you’ll one day own a stick signed by PK that is worth a lot based on my inability to stick around for the raffle ;)

  98. twilighthours says:

    I left before playoffs started.  It was liberating!

  99. Storm Man says:

    Great post Tony, No need for us Habs fans to hype things up…..

  100. HardHabits says:

    OK Chris. Now that HIO gave you the group hug to end all group hugs, you can come out and play again. We need you’re skillful posts. Don’t worry, gritty Bugs, HP and I, amongst others, will go in the corners and dirty zones for you. ;-)

    I couldn’t resist that one. Blame Bugs. He got me started on this train of thought!!!!


  101. zaq007 says:

    Frankie B and SK74 lol I’m rooting for the preds in the west this year!

  102. 4loorplay says:

    Look at it this way. When you have a cancer within the ranks, is it not worth paying 100k to rid it. If so would it not be a steal if we pay 3 mil and get 2 bodies that (1)  is a decent goalie with a good save percentage and (2) a winger who has the same numbers as Sergie….the hell with  SK and the upside he has….is this not the kid that mtl picked up in late rounds because he had a medicail problem that we took a chance on …..and his thanks was what we had to deal with on a daily basis.  I say if we dont sign the 2 or even 1 of the players………we are still ahead because we got rid of a cancer……

  103. doug says:

    I truly did love playoffs sans this stuff.  Much less worked up!

  104. Clay4bc says:

    Don’t sell yourself short, Doug. You are a good poster, and have a ton of intelligent and witty things to say. Maybe your arch nemesis leaving just took all the fun out of it? (Joke!)


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  105. andrewberkshire says:

    Hahaha!! That’s definitely fair!

    Hope to see you at the next summit so I can pay back your generosity.

  106. HabFab says:

    And here I was thinking “Doug must be in love”…the romantic never dies!

  107. KenD29 says:

    Agreed !

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  108. ZepFan2 says:

    Jack Todd



    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  109. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    An interesting article in the Walrus discussing exactly what you are referring to there (about political debate in Canada):



  110. andrewberkshire says:

    Definitely, that’s very good news for Edmonton.

  111. ZepFan2 says:

    No, Andre had the medical problem. Epilepsy.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  112. KenD29 says:

    Wonder if SK is signing up for “Line” dancing back home so he will be ready when he hits Nashville in September!


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  113. krob1000 says:

    March was about when I had enough too……the Halak trade got me interested again but I was just reading for quite a while.  I am no tech guy but everyone is suggesting an ignore function and that may be helpful, I would suggest almost the opposite though…that you could customize your own list with an “accept” list.  Anyone can create a new ID and get around the ignore thing but if everyone had the power to “accept” who they wished it would be awfully easy IMO. This would probably be a tech nightmare but wouldn;t it be great to create your won cast of HIO posters…you could choose your villains LOL.

     Your another one who I have noticed unfortunately  not posting much but I also noticed the Halak thing was enough to get you posting a bit too…..took me a bit to come around but I am having fun again…so it can happen ..and likely will.

  114. Bugs says:

    Well, I’m French, so of course it’s all my fault.

    Right Eureka?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  115. 123456 says:

    i do agree – if i were ellis i would wait for 7/1. pleanty of backup goalies who are average get 1M or so, why not try to get teams to bid against each other. what montreal does bring is an opportunity to be number 1 should price really tank…..as opposed to say backing up miller in buffalo.

    basically addition by subtraction.

    secret mod

  116. ZepFan2 says:

    Point is. At least Gauthier’s not “standing pat”.

    Something you accuse him of on a daily basis. I guess some people are NEVER happy.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  117. HardHabits says:

    very little is good enough and that’s more than he was worth

    I know it’s difficult for you to accept that most everyone unanimously supports this move. Suck it up and be a man.

    If the Habs sign Boyd it was a great move. If Ellis signs ever better. It really wasn’t about signing Boyd or Ellis though, it was about dumping SK, which anyone here, except you maybe, would’ve given up for a bucket of pucks and some broken hockey sticks.

    AND if the Preds sign SK and the Habs don’t sign Boyd or Ellis they get a 5th rounder, which is pretty much all SK was worth.

    But I am sure if you were GM you would’ve gotten Jonathan Toews for SK.

  118. Storm Man says:

    Dont joke I think Jack Todd is on here.

  119. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I’m gunna rip off Smart Dog here…. I have a few OVER-UNDER scenarios for you folks.. I have no answer myself so they should be fun!

    1) Price: 35 wins

    2) Gomez 55 points

    3) Gionta 30 goals

    4) Cammalleri 35 goals

    5) AK 30 goals

    6) Pouliot 13 goals

    7) Markov 50 games played

  120. JIMVINNY says:








  121. cautiousoptimist says:

    1) Price: 35 wins (under)

    2) Gomez 55 points (over)

    3) Gionta 30 goals (under)

    Cammalleri 35 goals (over)

    5) AK 30 goals (under)

    6) Pouliot 13 goals (over)

    Markov 50 games played (over, the guy’s a horse!)

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  122. PrimeTime says:

    Another long time poster bites the dust….hopefully not for long. This place at times is Kindergarden. For those who are parents or others who are Professionals working with children know what I mean. Since the start of the playoffs, I too have limited my Comment reading and posting. The Halak /Price thing went on for way too long although some blame needs to shared by Boone for antagonizing the debate at times. I wanted to enjoy the playoffs so I limited myself to some pre-game and very little post-game participation. Today, I still visit the site almost daily but much more less frequently do I post and even less frequently respond to comments of my posts.

    Posters with personal agenda’s, those seeking attention, and any who slay other posters with personal attacks just need to be ignored. It takes a little self-discipline not to get involved but we all do it in other aspects of our lives so why not here. Those sort who are seeking “Timo” status will drop out eventually once they get bored from the lack of attention.

    We are all Habs fans in our unique ways which can make the debate here enjoyable at times just to read or to participate. But never will there be a consensus of thought about the many subject lines that make up the interest in the Team….nor should there be. We laugh at Politicians how they debate but the debate itself is important to development and progress whether the outcome is agreeable to you or not. It is everyones personal choice on how they want to be involved. Sometimes you just need to take a break and come back wiser because of it.


    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  123. gauver says:

    1. under

    2. over

    3. over

    4. over

    5. under

    6. over

    7. over

    I think that the Gomez/Gionta/Pouliot line will be our best next season.  I think AK will have a better but still disappointing season; Plekanec will have a good season but not as good as last season; Cammalleri will get a lot of his goals due to double-shifting and power plays.

  124. smiler2729 says:

    Good one.

    1. Under, more like 25-30.

    2. Over. 65-75 pts.

    3. 30 is about right.

    4. Over, 40 goals.

    5. Way under.

    6. Over, I give Benny at least 20.

    7. Under, this guy’s jinxed.

  125. HardHabits says:

    1) Price: 35 starts ;-)

    2) Gomez 55 points (if not over that’s the most expensive 3rd liner in Habs history)

    3) Gionta 30 goals (over)

    4) Cammalleri 35 goals  (over)

    5) AK 30 goals (over, as in his time with Habs is over)

    6) Pouliot 13 goals  (if BP doesn’t score at least 20 Bergy’s gonna be wailing about Latendresse this and Latendresse that)

    7) Markov 50 games played (this one made me LMAO, brutal dude, under, 49 games then traded, sorry SF09)

  126. G-Man says:

    1. under 2. over 3. over 4. over 5. under 6. over 7. over

  127. Storm Man says:

    1. Under

    2. Over

    3. Under

    4. Over (36) :)

    5. On what team?

    6. Over

    7. Over

  128. Jbird says:

    1)  Under: but not by that much and this is based on me thinking he won’t start enough games to do that.

    2) Over

    3) even

    4) over

    5) under

    6) Over – you got to believe!

    7) Over – see above



  129. twocents says:

    Over for all.

  130. SeriousFan09 says:

    Over for everyone, feelin’ good today.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  131. habsfansince91 says:

    it’s really a shame. Great posters have been leaving one by one because of these stupid trolls. When i first came on here, people would argue and disagree on certain matters but there everyone still respected each other and there were no personal attacks. Now it’s the complete opposite. It seems that nobody could disagree with someone without unleasing personal attacks on one another.

  132. Chorske says:

    I can’t remember the last time a Habs trade was met with such nearly-unanimous praise. Poor Sergei has burned so many bridges here, he can’t even generate a decent trade controversy. In MONTREAL.

  133. arnhemland says:

    What’s happening to H I/O happens to ever messageboard which grows quickly in popularity. The original crew, and ideas that kept people coming back are being pushed around by an influx of “new” people who don’t have the same agenda, or interests. Mostly the idea that a large number of people are reading what they say is motivation to post anything that gets a reaction. Hence, the troll. Some don’t fit the the label of troll because they post actual content, but others motivated by the same agenda (fame) go about it in other ways and we tend to remember them first. But my post so far is stating the obvious.


    In my “expert internet opinion” (cue laughter, it does make me giggle), there are a few things you can do as a site adminsitrator to counter this. The first is put in the hands of people you trust the ability to moderate user comments and users themselves, ie the ability to ban people. Some of the larger forums (somethingawful.com) have a system where any moderator who proposes a ban of a user has to have the idea approved by a moderator. This reduces the workload on the admins, but still allows them to make critical decisions that help the site in regards to individual users. This system does have its flaws, there will be some drama but if implemented and administered correctly can go a long way.


    The second prong in my opinion is giving the end user more control over the site and how the content (comments) are shown. By default, I would leave everything  as is now. However, give the option for registered users to filter posts by rating or even by username. The CMS H I/O is using is Drupal, which has a boatload of customization options/mods available to it. I’m sure you guys can find one that would work well within your vision of the site. If I hate tonyrandomnumber, it would be great if I could completely erase him for the boards (for myself) by filtering any of his comments and comments in response to his comments (The thread in its entirety). The other more global idea is something where users can rate other users based on them being users, or I would consider more safely based one individual posts which aggregates over time giving that user a rating. Then a registered member can set a threshold, only display posts with a rating greater than 3 stars out of 5 for example.


    Anyway, these are just ideas. By themselves they won’t solve any problems but they can certainly help in combination with one another and the thoughtful and careful guidance of the site administrators. It’s a lot of work, but I think H I/O would be worth it, it’s a great  place I’d hate to see it go down the drain when there are options available.


    Good luck!

  134. Ground Chuck says:

    Did someone say that some Laff trolls need a good butt kickin’ for chasin’ off a long-time, well-respected poster?

  135. TomNickle says:

    1. Over because I don’t think Ellis will sign.

    2. Over, 14 goals, 57 assists.

    3. Over, 36 goals.

    4. Over, I think he’s got a good shot at 50.

    5. Neither, he will score exactly 30 goals.

    6. Over.

    7. Over.

  136. cautiousoptimist says:

    Wow, I hadn’t thought of it that way, but you’re right.  I really had high hops for the kid.

    At the last Summit, I scored a double-autographed picture of the brothers at the auction, and it’s on my wall at the office…  When I got it, I was really hoping I’d be able to root for both guys in that picture for a good long while…

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  137. Habsrule1 says:

    Sad to read about you going, Chris. We’ve had some pretty good debates.

    I, too, have started posting a lot less after becoming upset with constant trolling, but then some people have said I’ve been almost as bad with my undying love.

    To be clear, there are things I have not agreed with but I always like to see decisions played out before bashing the team.

    As far as my love for Gainey, well the team went from 4 out of 5 years missing the playoffs to quite the opposite. He was not perfect, but he improved the team. those fact are irrefutable…..but I know some will still refute them lol

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  138. cautiousoptimist says:

    How much you wanna bet that Burke takes a run at Mara as a cheap and truculent D-man, especially with van Ryn taking a year off?

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  139. SeriousFan09 says:

    Rod Brind’Amour is holding a press conference at 2:30 today, could another league veteran be hanging up his skates?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  140. smiler2729 says:

    The more astute Habs fan knows Gainey did a good job (and Gauthier is doing a good job) and that Carey Price was always going to get the nod over Jaro Halak in the team’s view.

  141. smiler2729 says:

    Double post.

  142. RGM says:

    I think a lot of this negativity is a product of the current political environment in Canada. The ability to disagree without being disagreeable has been in massive decline in the past 6 years or so. You take a good look at the way the leaders of this country talk to one another and it’s no wonder that it’s filtered down. It used to be that people could hold completely different points of view, talk for 20 minutes and agree upon nothing, then move on. Now, if somebody likes Carey Price more than Jaroslav Halak or vice versa and posts about it on a message board, it’s grounds to send vitriolic hyperbole at somebody basically insinuating that they’re lacking sufficient grey matter to even be a hockey fan.

    Scotty Bowman said it best: “Don’t trade Carey Price.”

  143. smiler2729 says:

    Above average hard nosed no BS hockey player who kinda got lost playing in Carolina despite captaining them to a Stanley Cup (one of those quiet Stanley Cup wins like Tampa and Anaheim).

  144. nickster13 says:

    1) around that sounds good

    2) over

    3) around that

    4) around that

    5) under, guy’s turning into a bit of a headcase and needs to lose weight, until this changes then under

    6) over (we hope)

    7) around that, hes a mike van ryn now for some reason

  145. nickster13 says:

    you mean horsed nosed dont you?

  146. SmartDog says:

    1. UNDER… this one’s tricky though… Martin seems to be a 1-goalie guy


    3.Gio – UNDER

    4. Cami – OVER

    5. UNDER

    6. OVER – WAY OVER

    7. OVER

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop.

  147. SLONCOLD says:

    his weakness? lol please don’t say going high glove is a weakness. because u always shot high on every goalie because that were everyone is exposed…..

  148. smiler2729 says:

    What was most unnerving about that was that he didn’t adjust to them shooting high as most goalies do… look where the inability to adjust has gotten Cristobal Huet.

  149. Chorske says:

    These are interesting suggestions.

    The post rating option, or the number of likes/unlikes option, wouldn’t necessarily help, because new posts (however interesting) would be buried. So as the number of posts accumulate, there is less and less incentive to make a new post, because fewer and fewer people will be motivated enough to actually wade through the posts for the interesting bits. I think that would be counterproductive.

    The place runs fine, generally. We need to identify and squash trolls, and there could be an ignore poster function so the HabsProfessors and the Tonys don’t clog the place up.

    BUt there is even a problem with that, because in the end, as annoying as he is, HabsProfessor (for example) was contributing to discussion- and he added a levity and silliness to the place that could be infuriating but was also entertaining.

    I don’t really think the place is all that broke. A victim of its own success, occasionally, but not really broke.

  150. smiler2729 says:

    True but some goalies adjust their game better and faster than Jaro did. He was burned out too.

  151. SeriousFan09 says:

    It amazs me that guy can even breath through his nose sometimes, or not make a funny noise when he does.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  152. SLONCOLD says:

    alright… my question for you is have you played the position? Goalies even our golden boy price play the bottom part of the net. you have 38in pads covering the bottom part shooting high is the key to beating every goalie, one more time, EVERY GOALIE.

    Jaro made a ton of good saves and kept the habs in just about every game… the one thing he didn’t do was score.

  153. SlovakHab says:

    Nothing. Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Komisarek, Schenn, Beauchemin, Exelby, Finger, Kaberle.

    Do they need a 9th D?

  154. Chorske says:

    1. If he gets 50 starts? Under

    2. Over.

    3. If he stays healthy? Over.

    4. If he stays healthy, and keeps doing that freaky visualization thing? Over.

    5. Depends which one of him shows up. I’m thinking he’s good for 50 points. SLightly under.

    6. Oooo, tough one. I’ll say over.

    7. Over.

  155. SlovakHab says:

    And he only played half of the regular season games + the Olympics. Put him on a No.1 goalie schedule (60+ games a season + full playoffs) and then see what he’s made of.

  156. SlovakHab says:

    Everything over except for Price (will share the load with no2. and will probably get less than 35) and AK (28 goals for him)

  157. showey47 says:

    Only if they hire carbo as coach.

  158. Chorske says:

    I think I remember that as one of the better prizes. Still an awesome conversation piece. ;)


  159. andrewberkshire says:

    You would ignore HabsProfessor? No way!

  160. cautiousoptimist says:

    After 2 years and 32 weeks, I guess I’m one of the grizzled vets around here, and in that time we’ve lost some mighty fine posters.  Chris was certainly one of the best.

    A few proposals that might help stave off further losses and frustrations:

    • Is there any way we could set up a toggle, so that users can turn private messaging on or off as they choose?  That way no one would be pestered by unwanted e-mail.
    • There’s got to be a way to set things up so that no one can send more than, say, five private messages a day through the HI/O system.  Who really needs to send more than that anyway?  If users want to message each other more than that, they can just exchange e-mail addresses and do it the old-fashioned way.
    • Maybe a couple more of those “secret mods” might be in order — this is no knock against the ones we have, but there are an awful lot of posts to sift through on any given day, and a boost in human resources might boost the decorum levels too…
    • And all of us can do our part by simply ignoring insulting or otherwise idiotic posts until a mod gets around to them.  A lot of the trouble here is of our own making, and if the trolls go unfed, they’ll go elsewhere.  I know it’s tough sometimes to bite our tongues, but we’ve got to understand that we contribute to the degradation of the site when we join in the schoolyard antics.

    Anyway, just a few suggestions from a guy who’s seen too much BS on here.  In spite of all that, this is a great site, and IMO it’s worth the effort to keep it great.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  161. SlovakHab says:

    :) yes

    but sorry, Exelby is UFA, so it makes Mara 8th defenceman.

    They lack forwards. Kulemin, Bozak, Grabovski and Kessel are their only 4 bona-fide NHL top-6 F (and 3 of them would not make the top 6 of the best teams in the NHL – not even Montreal).

  162. Ground Chuck says:

    A wise idea: if you want to reduce littering, don’t be the first to drop a piece of trash.

  163. cautiousoptimist says:

    The Leafs only have 7 D-men under contract (Exelby is a UFA), and unless Burke really wants a $26M blue line, he has to deal Kaberle for a sorely needed forward, bringing him down to 6.  Mara would be the ideal 7th defenceman.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  164. cautiousoptimist says:

    And if you see a heap of litter by the side of the road, don’t add your own trash to the pile. : )

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  165. likehoy says:

    HIO is not doing enough to protect its commenters from headshots

  166. Storm Man says:

    Sk is gone, very good move by PG. Did HIO trade Tony 242 today? if so who did we get back?

  167. cautiousoptimist says:

    Absolutely!  I had my eye on that gorgeous shot of Markov and Price, but I was thrilled to get the brothers.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  168. Storm Man says:

    I see BB going after someone like Andy Sutton.

  169. HabFanSince72 says:

    I think he was traded to pension plan puppets for the rights to a down goes brown sketch.

  170. punkster says:

    Good points. My reasons for sitting on this site for hours at a time are not limited to the wealth of hockey knowledge I pick up here. Yes, the articles and links are great, no question. But the entertainment and chuckles are priceless.

    We have quite a variety of personalities here from the lofty heights of opinionated, know-it-alls to the wacky, crackpot, self-styled standup comics to the thoughtful, organized and insightful students of the game. The occaisional troll doesn’t put me off particularly when I know he’ll be banned soon enough. They don’t have the brains or self-restraint required to keep it civil.

    Technology can help certainly but much of the solution lies with us. Bullies and trolls tend to lose interest when ignored.


  171. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    yes, but only the more astute fans realize that.

  172. punkster says:

    Not me. The little guy just cracks me up and I miss his constant NAGging :)


  173. Bugs says:

    So lemme get this straight: Chris is in the fox-hole with us. Has a fine weapon. Is a tremendous shot. Yet doesn’t like being shot at and decides to leave?

    Feh. Not impressed. Hope wherever he goes, they lay out a delicate doily for him, fan’m with ostrich feathers and feed’m grapes while he favours them with his insight.

    Me, I like the fire. Live for it. I wanna play in the NHL, not the Everyone-must-be-nice-to-me kindergarten club. Have to expect some opposition somewhere, even against someone as utterly fantastic and totally unimpeachable as Chris.


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  174. Kooch7800 says:

    I have actually been pretty happy with what PG has done so far. 

    Do you think we should go after a mean D man like Sutton this year?  We really don’t have any intimidating D men anymore other than OB who can pound forwards and clear the front of the net.  I am not a huge fan of sutton but he is mean.

    I would like volchekov (sp?) but I think he will be too expensive

  175. Bugs says:

    I think what folks are saying, Toranna boy, is that if you saw Pierre Gauthier walk on water, you’d say it was because he couldn’t swim.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  176. TomNickle says:

    What do you mean Habs Fans?

    You aren’t a Habs fan Tony?


  177. JasonM says:

    It’s been years I’ve been asking for an ignore function.  :)


    And yes, we are definitely a victim to out own success.

  178. nightmare_49 says:

     … Will Saku be playing between Havlat and Big Poodle Lats in Minny this season –  Will brother join Mikko Koivu? It’s up to Saku


  179. crabvader says:

    Ugh… AGREED.





  180. Storm Man says:

    MAB is going into UFA market. I for one wish him all the best. 

  181. K-hab25 says:

    I agree 110% Sloncold. I’ve been posting that ever since the last time we lost to PHI and everyone said “they figured out how to beat Price, high to the glove side.” It was always so annoying, because that’s how you beat every goaltender, shoot high.

  182. TomNickle says:

    Blue Jackets claim Ethan Moreau off waivers

  183. Mikey_39 says:

    I see what you’re saying.  We didn’t really get anything, because we still have to sign these guys.  However, the Habs knew Sergei wasn’t in their plans moving forward, and it’s no secret he has an attitude.  So his trade value wasn’t that high.  Using it to trade for two UFA’s shows Ellis and Boyd that we have interest in them.  Maybe that will motivate them a little more to sign with us

  184. MikeL says:

    Hopefully Chris decides to come back. I’ve had quite a few solid debates with him over the last few years. He keeps ya on your toes, that’s for sure. And if you don’t have hockeyDB open and ready to search, he’ll burn ya. ;)

    Very happy with what has happened so far this week. No matter how talented or how much potential he has, Sergei was never going to work out here. His career reminds me a lot of Nikolai Zherdev’s. Zherdev was disliked by his draft team, traded to the Rangers, had a few uninspired years, and fled to the KHL. Although Sergei hasn’t had success like Zherdev yet, that’s how I see this story ending as well.

    Some seem to forget how good Pouliot was when he first arrived in Montreal. He looked like a 35 goal scorer. Keep in mind, this was is first full season in the NHL. DO NOT give up on this guy. He will be good.

    Love Tom Pyatt. Noticed him in preseason and wanted him to make the team at the time. He’s done that and more.

    Speaking of more, Dominic Moore deserves to be resigned. I know most teams let depth veteran centers go in favor of younger and cheaper talent, but Moore was incredible down the stretch and in the playoffs. He’s a perfect 3rd line center. Sign him for 1 year at 1.5 and I’ll be very happy.

  185. andrewberkshire says:

    We’re hoping for the same 4 teams to advance, nice.

  186. aemarchand11 says:

    Hal Gill is off the cap, Spacek can be bought out as well in his last year. PK will still be in his entry level deal and the prospect of maybe getting Emelin Signed could benefit as well. Markov could have made more when he was last a UFA but chose to stay. He wont go anywhere.

  187. ZepFan2 says:

    So let me get this straight.

    If Gauthier does nothing, he’s crap. If he doesn’t “stand pat” as you’ve been complaining about, he’s crap (or listening to Gainey).

    He can’t win with you.

    Bottom line, we got rid of the trash, one way or another!


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  188. HabFanSince72 says:

    Some good points there, but I have to disagree with your assesment of  the Orange.

    You might be thinking of the Holland of Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard who were the core of the greatest team of all time (I’m referring to AC Milan of course).

    This Holland team ain’t got nuthin’. The Dungas will handle them easily.

    I would also suggest that the best midfield maestro of 2006 was Andrea Pirlo. But that is a quibble.

  189. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’m pulling for Diego Armando and his men.


  190. mrhabby says:

    1..under the radar dutch…me likes but brazil stronger.


    3. tough one to call. can the germs control messsssy. if not argentina wins. messssy due to break out.

    4. spain will slice and dice the paraguayans.

  191. ZepFan2 says:

    The people that stick up for you must really hate the rest of us.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  192. pic1983 says:

    Would anaheim even go for that? Plus, hes RFA i believe? unless we move someone, hes going to be too expensive. Easily another 4.5/$5million forward.  He has back to back 30+ goal seasons including 31 in 61 games in his rookie year. 

    I would love to have him though. 

  193. likehoy says:

    2. is the least logical thing to do. it will ruin hockey. if there is less exposure in north america, the league and sport will slowly die out. if it becomes tougher to become a professional hockey player, then less kids will continue the sport cause of the extreme competitiveness. there is a lot of money issues as well to take into consideration, for teams AND for players, and the NHLPA will take a dump on everything if they were told to reduce their 700 players to 300.

    i don’t see why people don’t give gary bettman a bit of credit? he’s doing what he can to increase the exposure of hockey to help create growth in the league and the sport. i know hundreds of posters here on HIO bash soccer, and maybe half of those posters want to eliminate sunbelt hockey teams…but if you look at the popularity of soccer, some countries have up to 5 domestic leagues of professional soccer with at least 20 teams per league. in north america, removing teams from the south is basically saying that north america can’t even handle it’s top domestic league and we become a niche market, and not a respected sport.

    if bettman were to be successful in his ploy to take over southern USA, he could expand the sport even more. he’s done a decent job creating exposure in Europe lately, and a few times in asia. it lays down ground work for further intercontinental play, and even intercontinental leagues…bettman might have been too aggressive to start, but he did manage to create a 30 team league and there are now possibilities for further growth.

  194. likehoy says:

    i mentioned this earlier…his 5’8 stature is most attractive. he can be used as gionta’s protector.

  195. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I went with Brazil, Uruguay, Germany and Spain in my pool.

    I agree with you though, the Netherlands are a determined team and they are going to be a handful for the Brazilians.  Unfortunately, I think it might be one of those heart-rending matches where a missed penalty determines it.  And as you said, Brazil is Brazil.  Regardless, this is going to be the most exciting match of the tournament thus far, in my humble opinion.  Netherlands were brilliant in the group stage of the Euro Cup, but need to show they can finish when it matters.

    Uruguay’s front three are dynamic.  If memory serves, Cavani was a substitute in the first match, but a starter from then on in.  And they haven’t looked back.  Cavani hasn’t scored, but it seems as though things really started to gel with his insertion.  In a flagrant act of self-aggrandizement, I would like to announce that I announced, after several Guinnei (plural of Guinness? It is from now on!), to my brother that Uruguay was the darkhorse in this tourney.  My brother claims he doesn’t remember my saying so, but that is clearly the act of a jealous sibling.

    Argentina are as dynamic as they come up front, but as great of a quote and spectacle as Maradona is, does he actually have any strategies besides letting his great players play?  The Germans can win this, they are well managed, young and hungry.  Argentina’s defence can be exposed, and Germany might be the perfect team to do so.  They are solid defensively, and won’t concede 3 or 4 goals.   And they can attack on the transition beautifully.  I think Argentina, for all their flair, might be exposed by the Germans.

    Paraguay doesn’t have a chance.  And don’t be so hard on your boy Torres.  He clearly is playing hurt.  I’m more concerned about the lack of playing time for my boy Fabergas!  Although Spain’s midfield is an embarrassment of riches,  I know.  But if Fabergas is truly going to leave my Gunners for Barca, this is one of my last chances to watch him play for a team I can support!!

    How about the video replay debate?  Does technology have a place in the beautiful game?  How long before the Americans hijack the game and start utilising pyrotechnics after goals, laser beams and fighting robots at half-time?

  196. TomNickle says:

    Just for the record, I’m not in some sort of crew with Andrew and Robert.

    Fact is, I hate all of you and will stop at nothing in convincing you that Bob Gainey is God and Price his son.


  197. HabFanSince72 says:

    You think the objective of hockey should be to increase the number of fans, but you are wrong.

    The objective of hockey is a parade down Ste-Catherine Street in May (not June for f**k’s sake).



  198. TommyB says:

    For what it’s worth, I think it’s a sad day when HIO has come to be about it’s posters.  One poster is banned, some want him back, others could care less.  One regular poster decides to quit HIO, cold turkey, and it becomes a topic?  Seriously, is that news?  I’ve seen this site both evolve, and devolve, since it’s start about 4 years ago.  Chris is not the first “insightful” or “provocvative” poster to get fed up with HIO, and you can bet he won’t be the last.  I also think it’s a safe bet that Chris will be back, in some way, shape, or form.

    Back to hockey, and the Habs.  It looks like this summer is becoming another roster-shaking one.  Not of the magnitude of last summer, but there sure is lots happening.  It’s going to be interesting to see what the final roster looks like in October, and what these little changes will do to the on-ice product.  This summer seems to be all about the cap, rather than about the character improvement of the team that last summer was all about.  In virtually every move so far, the dollar figure looms large.  Are we bringing in players who will improve the team? Or are we bringing in players who we can squeeze under the cap?  This is something I will have to study on a little bit over the next few weeks. 

  199. GuyDoon says:

    I’ve heard many times the idea that we should move Hamrlik to ANA for a pick. There’s good reason: ANA needs an experienced D, ANA needs to make it to the Cap floor, MTL needs the Cap Space. However, ANA can take care of those needs by waiting til tomorrow and shopping. There are better options on the UFA market. For MTL to free of Hamrlik’s contract they will need to add an incentive, or take a bad contract back, or wait and hope someone strikes out on the UFAs and needs a Hamrlik kid of guy. And hope that no other teams want our UFAs and RFAs we still like: Moore, Boyd, Ellis, Price, Lapierre, ….

    Another thing to consider: If I’m not mistaken, we currently have 33 Pro contracts, 11 UFAs, and 11 RFAs. We can only have 50 Pro contracts. This means we still have to loss at least 5, more like 7 contracts. Cap not withstanding, we can’t keep aquiring players. If a MTL trade is made, the Habs likely will be sending more that we get and/or cutting ties with others.

  200. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Yes, I suppose you`re right – can`t add any more fuel to the “smurf” fire, can we?

  201. Tony000 says:

    A true fascist is actually more right wing than Bush, if that’s possible. They hate leftys, swifty.

  202. likehoy says:

    no way…i don’t want silver.

    gold on the other hand….

  203. Mikey_39 says:

    pff silver is the new gold

  204. pic1983 says:

    If we can stay healthy, and the above mentioned players step up even a little bit, I think we’re a lock for winning the northeast.  Mostly because I dont see how our competitors in our division have improved.  Boston is tuuka rask sophomore slump away from a terrible season if they trade thomas.

  205. mrhabby says:

    yes to video replay. its the 21st century for god sake. iam sure the same agrument  was used in football, hockey , baseball  and its made the game better by talking out screw ups, given that… FIFA will not allow it but are looking at other things.

    don;t expect the yanks to start trying to hijack the game for awhile . its not really popular yet from what i have heard and read. does not have the same cache as NFL, MLB, NBA. The  Beckham experiment did not take off.

  206. TomNickle says:

    Ouch….hope he takes that one in stride if he sees it.

  207. mike g says:

    I’ll tell you what Tommy boy..

    When Bob is able to wear a flat cap (search “flat cap” in google if you’re unsure what it is) with so much style and class in the year 2010, you don’t question anything he does.

    When Bob is able to employ Tomas Plekanec, the only human in the world who gracefully wears a turtleneck since 1997, you tip your curved RBK cap at him.

    When Bob is able to convince a multi-million dollar RUSSIAN athelete to take a 2 hour walk with him in the old port, and converse with him at a rate of 9 words per minute, you salute him.

    Bob should have his own “Dos Equis” commercials.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  208. andrewberkshire says:

    Boston is the only team that’s improved thus far with Horton and Seguin, but you’re right that with Wideman gone they’ll be relying more on Rask, and an off year for him could screw them.

  209. Tony000 says:

    Thank God, he’s no Burke. You slander them for trading away 1st and 2nd rounders, and then you praise Burke? Didn’t he just trade away the second pick overall? You are unbelievable.

  210. SeriousFan09 says:

    Going by current cap figures, I don’t see Moore being workable if Boyd is signed. Which is disappointing to me, I get the moving SK part to bring in what we need but Moore was a solid playoff man.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  211. twocents says:

    Jeeeeezzz, Andrew! Don’t you remember how our first discussion of Carle went? Leave well enough alone why donch’ya. ;o)


  212. Storm Man says:

    At 1242 dollers a once you better like gold :) 

  213. andrewberkshire says:

    Come on now, be gracious! There are some solid players on the Holland team with Robben and Van Bommel from Bayern.

  214. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I think I agree about the technology.  I am usually a traditionalist, but after the Mexico and England debacles…especially since the delays wouldn’t be that long…it’s not like hockey where determining whether the puck went over the line etc, etc can take some time.  It’s usually immediately clear on the replay what the correct call is (a la Lampard’s goal).

    I hope you are right about American disinterest…their national team keeps getting better and better though, and apparently Clinton was in South Africa to help the pitch for the Americans to host the World Cup in 2018. 

    Isn’t it refreshing to watch a sport with no commercial breaks during play?  It makes such a huge difference to the rhythm, flow and general enjoyment of the sport.

  215. ZepFan2 says:

    Well, I’ll give you the ‘free’ part, but ‘speech’, now that’s debatable.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  216. Tony000 says:

    Sorry, the duck’s right, you’re wrong. He actually scored two more points his second year in the bigs with Edmonton. As the duck said, that was without Getzlaf and Perry as linemates. How do you score two more points your second year in the league, but are considered a disaster? I’ll tell you how.

     The only disaster was the foolish money and draft picks Lowe commited to a first year unproven player. Of course he’s going to claim Penner didn’t hold up his end of the bargain. It’s called covering your ass, and you fell for it.

  217. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    They were certainly impressive in the group stage of the EuroCup and in this World Cup up until now they have been convincing.  Snejder (sp??) Van persie, along with the two Andrew mentioned below….not a team to be taken lightly!

  218. Cut To The Chase says:

    As a 24 year old, Penner scored 45 points his first full season in Anaheim playing on a line with Getzlaf and Perry in 82 games. Penner went the college route and didn’t start his pro career until he was 22 years old. Since then he has scored 47 points in 82 games, 37 points in 78 games and 63 points in 82 games after he was taken on a RFA grab by GM Kevin Lowe. 

    I don’t think your example of ‘worst years of his career’ qualifies in this instance, especially seeing how the quality of line mates dropped off as well and he only played one full season in Ananheim.

  219. andrewberkshire says:

    Of course I remember! That’s why I brought him up, haha. I’ll admit I was way wrong in that disagreement. I really liked how he looked last season.

  220. HabFanSince72 says:

    Holland have not played a top-20 team yet in this competition. They do have a few good players (Van Persie and Snejder), and some promising youngsters (Elia).


  221. Bugs says:

    Dutch under the radar???

    Dutch aren’t under the radar, Mr; they’re very much over the radar.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  222. andrewberkshire says:

    True enough! A man can hope though right?

  223. twocents says:


    It’s nice to have the depth. Weber is an option for short injury related situations too. I am really happy there appears to be no plan to sign any veteran D. It’s time this organization start graduating their D prospects.

    (btw, does this mean you take back calling my comments inane way back then?)

  224. Bugs says:

    Then I must make an appointment with my oculist because this Holland team seems to me to be the real deal. Just as good as two years ago but more experienced.

    They look hard as hell.

    …ain’t got nuthin…that’s funny.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  225. WarHero says:

    I know it’s been said before, but if you have not read Robert L’s (see Boones main post) article, please do so. It will open your eyes on the Habs cap numbers :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  226. Storm Man says:

    The World Cup Final Four is going to be.

    Uruguay vs Brazil

    Argentina vs Spain 

  227. andrewberkshire says:

    I can agree with that from a statistical standpoint, but Penner was a disaster in Edmonton initially. Lazy, unwilling to use his body, wouldn’t go to the net. Basically everything he was good at in Anaheim evaporated. Now he’s back to form and had a breakout year.

  228. mrhabby says:

    true the yankees are getting stronger but aways off still. i saw Clinton on TV too. Its great with no commercials but some of the games were a snore ,  tough to take and then all of a sudden a fantastic goal makes it worth while. i appreciate the skill level of these teams then again its all they have in these countries. makes you think why canada can’t qualify.

  229. andrewberkshire says:

    Totally take it back!

    As for depth on D, I agree. It’s about time we stop renting the Mara’s of the NHL and get our young guys into the pro game so they can learn. The only think I’m worried about with Carle is that he’ll get injured.

  230. mrhabby says:

    Bugs. no one was talking about them as a fav. The peeeps always seems to talking about Brazil, Spain , Argentina etc,etc. No pressure on the Dutch as far as iam concerned.

  231. twocents says:

    Thanks. I take back anything I said that was nasty. 

    He has shown a propensity for that, hopefully it’s not a long term pattern.


  232. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    If Boyd signs do you think that means Moore is definitely gone?  I like Moore a lot, especially after his playoff performance, but Boyd brings a lot to the table in a depth role as well.  Can we have them both? 

  233. andrewberkshire says:

    Robert… He’s always so slow to return calls, we might need a new secretary.

  234. krob1000 says:

    nice try Tom…you can’t quit the gang…..you guys are a crew for life!  You just need some sort of cool name and hand symbol for your posse. lol

  235. Puck Bard says:

    You complain about not enough hockey-talk and then you post this? Seriously Bugs?

  236. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    funding, funding, funding.  Apparently more people play soccer/football in Canada than play hockey, but that makes sense as it is far cheaper.  But hockey receives far more funding and attention.  The soccer/football leagues aren’t nearly as competitive, more of a pasttime. 

    Not a value judgement at all, but the reason why Canada can’t qualify is really a matter of investing in the sport.  It sure would be exciting if Canada made it once though, just be feel a bit more a part of the spectacle. 

  237. HabFanSince72 says:

    They lost to Russia two years ago.

  238. dh says:

    Soccer is getting more popular in the states among kids.  Last few times I’ve been there, I noticed more soccer fields in parks instead of just baseball fields.

    I wouldn’t expect the americans to influence the game much as far as commercial breaks etc though.  Soccer isn’t going to change that much.  But if anyone can help to force an instant replay – at least in the world cup – I would consider that a plus.

  239. K-hab25 says:

    I don’t need any convincing, I already new Jesus Price was Gaineys (god) son. :-)

  240. krob1000 says:

    u r kidding right? erat and his 50 points are fine but at 4.5 million per season for 5 years…I will pass.  If he were a 3 million dollar guy I might do it. Andrei can remain a zombie and outscore Erat….and is cheaper and coming off the books, if he earns a raise it still likely wouldn;t be Erat range so I think I’ll take Andrei.

  241. andrewberkshire says:

    Don’t BS a BSer, Tom everyone knows you’re in my “crew”, now lets vote on a leader and get organized damn it!

  242. nickster13 says:

    well i dunno about Bob being god, but price being his son i will agree!

  243. Max_a_million says:

    (1) Yes, 3 pts for a regulation win, 2 for overtime or shootout win, 1 for overtime or shootout loss

    (2) No way, too much tradition.  It’s fun to watch the habs in warmer southern climates in the winter, and outnumber the home fans.

    (3) At least he is trying to keep teams where they are now, little solace for Winnipeg and the QC

    (4) No way.  The cap is a great equalizer.  Do you really want New York and Toronto to spend unlimited money?

    (5) I think a ban on fighting these days makes sense.  The fighters are not the deterent that a nasty checker like Pronger is.  I do like the fighting though, so I do not have a strong opinion in this. 

  244. nickster13 says:

    its not that unreasonable, Erat is a solid player, doesnt always score the goals or put up the points but he does that fairly well and manages to play that nashville style well

  245. HardHabits says:

    You’re comebacks are so enjoyable I almost didn’t want to shake hands with you just so I could read more of them after my own posts. I laughed at a couple you sent my way even as I was saying, “ouch, you clever bastard!” Thankfully T242 has you’re undivided attention now. ;-)

  246. Bugs says:

    Now THIS is a post. Top to bottom, all business, no crying, room for expostulation, very delicious.

    This is what I’m talkin about.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  247. HabFanSince72 says:

    Apparently a Western team is thinking of putting in an offer sheet for Antti Niemi just to give the Hawks more cap problems.


  248. TomNickle says:

    I wanted Larry Robinson but Robert wouldn’t return his damn phone calls.

  249. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    nah, I think Andrei is going to have a good year.  25-30 goals.  No Sergei, and he’s in a contract year.  If we are going to trade him, I’d wait until next year and see if he can up his value with a solid season riding shotgun with Pleks and Cammy.  Although, I’d be inclined to keep him if he bounces back, which I think he is going to.

  250. CERF says:

    and Gomez’s contract is a great and fair one!

  251. likehoy says:

    nigel dawes placed on waivers to be bought out. he’s 5’8. pierre gauthier will sign him within the next 2 days.

  252. nickster13 says:

    lets go! Ship AK to the Preds for that “conditional pick” back and Martin Erat. would you do it?

  253. TomNickle says:


  254. Clay4bc says:

    Can’t say I like that you CAN use the cap as a weapon, but as a GM, and knowing you can do it, why not? Good strategy…


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  255. Bugs says:

    So, uhh, maybe, I don’t know, we could uhh…at least CALL Ilya’s agent?

    You know, see what’s what?

    If he says “4.2 billion for a year’n’a half”, ok, we hang up, but at least we’ll know.

    Just sayin.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  256. krob1000 says:

    You know..at some point it is going to come to that….this is huge busines and I am surprised that the “respect” is still there..this type of tactic is almost a necessary evil in a cap world and it wold open up a whole new and interesting chess match that while presently viewed as classless would be very entertaining to say the least and would help the smaller market teams and less desirable teams out.

  257. WarHero says:

    In other news:

    Columbus claims Ethan Moreau off waivers from Edmonton. I bet they love getting that cap space :)


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  258. SeriousFan09 says:

    You work in a kitchen for most of your twenties, it becomes very difficult to become offended.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  259. TommyB says:

    Do you mean of the type you and I remember?  I can’t see it ever happening.  I think it’s a shame that the cap era is punishing teams who always were fiscally responsible, because others were anything but.  Dump the cap, and let those idiot owners and managers go belly up.  The Habs always kept things under control in the money department, but now because of the cap, their hands are tied.  If there were no cap, you would see a greatly improved Canadiens, and a team that would still be fiscally responsible.

  260. TomNickle says:

    Dirty business.  Although it would look good on Stan Bowman for saying “I’ve worked so hard for this Cup” after they won it.

    Really Stan?  No shout out to Dale Tallon or Rick Dudley, his father taught him better than that, it was disgraceful.

    Offer sheets put Kevin Lowe out of a job though, it will be interesting to see who’s gonna do it.

  261. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hawks will just go fishing for another UFA goalie who’ll come cheap and thrive off of Keith, Seabrook, Campbell and Hjalmarsson giving him SOs if it comes to that.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  262. nickster13 says:

    AK for Patrick Hornqvist. do you do it?

  263. mike g says:

    Hmmm, it’s gonna be tough….

    I think PG might send a simple text like this:

    1) ;) we love you, for less than 6 mill

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  264. Bugs says:

    I’d rather trade’m for someone I’ve heard of.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  265. TomNickle says:

    I’m a firm believer that every citizen should have to work in a food or beverage service setting for a month prior to going to school or entering the workforce.

    Anyway, since you aren’t offended, get on the phone with the Big Bird dammit!

  266. andrewberkshire says:

    When the day comes that WE can’t make fun of each other on HIO, I’m leaving.

  267. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I think he’ll probably sign with LA.

  268. mike g says:

    Yet another reason why we will never see a dynasty in the NHL again.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  269. andrewberkshire says:

    We already burned a CH onto his hand with lye like in Fight Club.

  270. crabvader says:

    Do you think Nashville’s heard of AK?





  271. likehoy says:

    hornqvist =30g

  272. crabvader says:

    Moreau isn’t that expensive.

    Horcoff is the one with the huge price tag.




  273. mike g says:

    Nashville would laugh at that trade.

    I’m not trying to make fun of you or anything, but they’d be getting killed in that deal.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  274. andrewberkshire says:

    Of all the jobs I’ve had, working in a kitchen was the most stressful and angry place. I don’t think I could ever do it again honestly.

  275. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    So if SK throws a tantrum, and bolts to the KHL does that mean we have to compensate Nashville with a pick?

  276. Bugs says:

    I’d offer’m 40mil for 5 years (or whatever) and cross some bridges after he accepts.

    Gotta be under payroll limit at the start of the season, not mid-July. Mid-July, you can be 100mil over the cap if you want. Offer the moon to the guy, maybe an asteroid or two, just get’m to sign.

    Then work out the kinks.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  277. krob1000 says:

    lol was a joke…….but…. if you hold your left hand up lie a “we’re number one” and then you hold your right hand like ” a fake gun shooting pose” and join them together you get an “H” with a gun symbol aiming at a number one …..perfect I think for an HIO posse.

  278. TomNickle says:

    Whatever Andrew, if you make fun of me I’m going to copy and paste it into a post for the whole readership to see.  Then I’m gonna say you should be banned, then I’m gonna profess my intelligence, ignore my ignorance(haha) and judge you from my ivory tower and hope that people jump behind me so that they might unite with me, against you, IN A FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

  279. likehoy says:

    wouldn’t do it…hornqvist is small…rather take my chances with ak

  280. TommyB says:

    I like it.  Now all we have to do is replace Gary Bettman with Chris Nilan!

  281. Bugs says:

    So everyone agrees they’re both no-namers?

    Good, so why don’t we just keep ours since we know’m as opposed to another we don’t?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  282. Puck Bard says:

    Is Theodore still having hair issues? Man that lid is aweful:


  283. SeriousFan09 says:

    5th-rounder in 2012 if he bolts.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  284. TomNickle says:

    This is getting a tad bit silly.

  285. nickster13 says:

    hey i figured it would be interesting considering some people might think the exact opposite!

  286. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s quite the contingency plan!

  287. SeriousFan09 says:

    Just do what I’m planning, save it all for the Summit and Jersey everyone you’ve had an issue with.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  288. Bugs says:

    Which is why we would have to impress upon him the importance of Russian history in Montreal, maybe remind him what his countryman Vlad Tretiak announced to a roaring crowd a year or two back: “Montreal great city; Montreal hockey city!”

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  289. SeriousFan09 says:

    Kitchen was never that bad for me, it was the montony of it that drove me nuts.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  290. andrewberkshire says:

    Totally, but it was fun while it lasted.

  291. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t think you can ever be more than 10% over the cap.


    Dammit did I just make a comment about the freakin’ cap?

  292. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Really? wow, good trade PG.

  293. TomNickle says:

    Due to the non-competition agreement I signed when resigning my post as crew member of Mike G, HFX fan and smiler, I am not in any way shape or form associated with Andrew and Robert.

    However, they have asked me to consult as a senior advisor on all things HIO and I am currently in negotiations with my attorney, and the former alliance to have the non competition agreement voided.


  294. SeriousFan09 says:

    100 million dollar contract, but it runs until 2100, cap hit comes down to a slick 1.1 per year. Think the NHL would have an issue with that?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  295. Bugs says:

    Aah, polite, cliched double-talk, I love it.

    But then he says “But you don’t know what you’ll get from other teams.”

    In other words: no matter what, he ain’t signin with us afore tomorrow.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  296. Bugs says:

    Got me confused with someone else, Bard. Never complained about any such thing.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  297. TomNickle says:

    Haha, nice!

  298. Bugs says:



    Anyone got the skinny on this issue?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  299. TomNickle says:

    They better not, ever seen Alfie’s contract?

  300. crabvader says:

    Hornqvist was a valuable asset to my hockey pool :D

    AK had to be let go :(




  301. ZepFan2 says:

    Wow, now you’re replying to yourself.

    I would have hoped you would have countered your own post.

    Too bad, that would have been hilarious to read. lol


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  302. WarHero says:

    As per TSN:

    The Edmonton Oilers continue to pare down their payroll for July 1, as the club has dealt forward Patrick O’ Sullivan to the Phoenix Coyotes for defenceman Jim Vandermeer. Both players, who cleared waivers earlier in the day, could be bought out by their new clubs.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  303. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I was thinking about that the other day.  I was thinking we should show Kovulchuk a video of the hundreds of habs fans picketing after Kovalev wasnt signed and say “there’d be thousands of them out there if it was you kovy, please sign with us!”  lol

  304. PrimeTime says:


    Please read the Robert L analysis for a different perspective on the SK trade.



    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  305. mike g says:

    I’d offer him that, plus the keys to the city, the Big O, free Molson products for life, and a house the size of the Bell Center in any suburb he wants.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  306. crabvader says:

    I believe the agreement is that if Ellis and Boyd sign, they get our 5th. If SK signs, we get their 5th.





  307. Bugs says:

    Oddly enough, I accept that as a valid argument.

    Ok, I’m sold, bring on this Peter Hornqvister character.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  308. andrewberkshire says:

    The place I worked was managed by a guy who cheated on his wife with the young female employees, and promoted them to “manager” status to shut them up. So we had 4 16-17 year old female managers on power trips, and it was an insanely busy and angry place. No one got along and the people in charge had no training and no idea what they were doing.

  309. Dintrox says:

    The black hawks are a classy organization Dale Tallon’s name is being engraved on the cup.  Talon’s fumbled paperwork last summer is at least in part responsible for the dismantling of the team this summer.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  310. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    O’Sullivan is a pretty decent player. Too bad he’s not a part of Edmonton’s future. 

  311. SeriousFan09 says:

    Strangely enough, one of the Ast. managers had a similar thing going on for a while at my old place, just the cheating, fortunately he didn’t have the authority to promote. Damn, that’s a hellhole if I ever heard of one.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  312. andrewberkshire says:

    It was nuts man, imagine being chewed out for 20 minutes by a 16 year old valley girl for not putting enough croutons in a salad when you’re 17. To hold one’s temper was… near impossible.

  313. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Sign Kovaluchuk for our remaing 8 million in cap space, let Ellis and Price walk, and play the entire season with the goalie pulled.  We’d probably have to bring MAB and his 4000mph shot back to play the rover position though.

    It’d probably take the players a few games to adjust, but I think they’d eventually adapt.

  314. crabvader says:

    Maybe our little playoff run will attract some FA’s our way :P

    Making it to the conference finals might make us a nice little destination for players who want to win and play for a team that doesn’t give up and die.





  315. andrewberkshire says:

    You seem very positive lately, Eric. What are your feelings about the upcoming season?

  316. pic1983 says:

    Isnt there a clause in the CBA that a team cant pass the cap by more than 10% in the off-season?

  317. Dintrox says:

    Bang on the money. Future considerations if they sign.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  318. crabvader says:

    Gotta love those pools!





  319. andrewberkshire says:

    He’s one of several very decent players who’ve gone to edmonton and had the worst years of their career. It’s really weird. Lupul, Penner and Erik Cole have done the same.

  320. SeriousFan09 says:

    I had anger management issues at that age, I wouldn’t have held it in at all, I have to congratulate you for having the restraint.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  321. crabvader says:

    I’m glad that Pouliot, Pyatt and Gorges are all RFA at the end of this coming year. Would hate to see them walk to UFA.





  322. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yes, me. Two posts ago.

    Hey Bugz – who do you see winning the world cup? I think Dunga and his team of Dungas will do ti.

  323. ZepFan2 says:

    Everything’s a conspiracy with you.

    What happened to, “not standing pat.”?


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  324. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I’d love to see Paul Martin on the team, but I just don’t think we can sign any free agents unless we manage to dump some salary.  Hamrlik is the most obvious choice, but I don’t know who’d want to take him at that price. 

  325. Puck Bard says:

    Cole never recovered, but he’s had physical issues as well. And Souray? Edomnton is the elephant’s graveyard of the NHL.

  326. Psycho29 says:

    Has anyone mentioned the possible connection between Sergei K being traded and a top (supposed) mafia

    leader being assasinated the very same day in Montreal?



  327. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    His 2.95 M cap hit is fairly cheap considering what he brings to the table, or ice I should say. Sort of hoped the Habs would grab him through waivers, but it’s understandable that the Habs are already too tight against the cap. Well best of luck to him.

    As for Edmonton, they might have put on a pathetic display last season, but they have a really good, young core now. Not as good as the Blue’s or Hawks’ but better than the Isles. Good for them.

  328. crabvader says:

    Hamrlik is on his last year. I think it will be easier to move him this year with teams knowing that. I’m optimistic than he can be traded during the year or even before the year starts. That is of course, if PG wants to trade him. We can’t really forget that we don’t have much depth at D ourselves, for the moment.





  329. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    But what I’m wondering is what if he doesn’t sign and bolts to the KHL? Do we have to compensate then as well?

  330. WarHero says:

    Mr. Boone: Besides leaving a post, how would one contact you if he/she wished to do so?

    Might be a stupid question …


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  331. Mikey_39 says:

    Would anybody else be willing to give up a couple of first round draft picks to get Bobby Ryan?  I think I would.  I mean he’s young, big, right-handed and scores….

    And your lines might look something like this





    I know it’s just a dream…but it’a good one.

  332. 514guy says:

    LOL-but that  was the italian mafia, not the russian mafia

  333. Dintrox says:

    1. Glad we are rid of SK. The SK lovers can whine but the fact is the kid had ample opportunity to work his way out of the dog house and found ways to PO his team mates, coaches etc.

    2. Boyd is worth signing today. He is a good 2 way player with a decent set of hands and good speed. He is an upgrade from Metro.

    3. I would see what Ellis is looking at dollar wise but I would like to wait until free agency and kick some tires. Lots of goalies on the block. Some– cough cough Turco cough cough– who have something to prove and may sign for a discount for an opportunity to fight for #1.


    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  334. crabvader says:

    I’m not talking about Kovalchuk, here. (Although that would be more than awesome)

    I’m talking about lesser names that are an integral part to any team. Guys for around 1-2 mil per.





  335. kempie says:

    It just seems to me that, since SK was qualified by us and we traded him for an unqualified RFA and an impending UFA, there should be some consideration given to the fact that we sent them the RFA with the most interest from an NHL club.

  336. Bryan says:

    I’d jump all over that.  I love that kid.

    Doubt we can afford him though.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  337. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’m glad that Hamrlik’s contract goes away at that point, 5.5 in extra space would be nice to extend Markov, raise Pouliot provided he plays well while handling Pyatt and Gorges at the same time.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  338. crabvader says:

    We can’t afford Bobby.





  339. andrewberkshire says:

    True about Cole. Souray actually had one really good year in Edmonton, and then everything else is injury after injury. I think part of the reason so many players suck there is because the team is run terribly. They have a horrid reputation around the league which is why most UFA’s won’t even take calls from Edmonton.

  340. crabvader says:

    Nope. That would be two conditions :P





  341. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Hmm I can imagine the scenario:

    Mafia: Help! help me!

    Sergei: What do you want me to do?

    Mafia: Help me, tabarnac! Ahhhh! Ma tete!

    Sergei: Yes, yes, tit. My name Kos-tit-syn.

    Gauthier: – face palm -

  342. Dintrox says:


    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  343. twocents says:

    It all hinges on Price, AK, and Pouliot. If they step up into their roles and we can avoid ridiculous amounts of key injuries, this team can be very competitive in the regular season. As for the playoffs, a higher seeding will help, but still it all depends on those 3.

    The X factor is Subban, if he plays to a rookie of the year level, along with what I mentioned above, we become a serious team. 

  344. GrimJim says:

    Click on the website link on the right of this page. It will bring you to the Gazette Bio page. After the write-up there’s a little, tiny “email” that isn’t even marked as a link but takes you to a CanWest url

    Oh, crap…Did I just get myself Timo-ed?

  345. Mikey_39 says:

    We’re the montreal Canadiens, we can afford anything…

    First, anaheim is looking for some solid d.  I would send Hammer, obviously.  Sure he’S old but he’s still solid in the back and is a great mentor. Obviously it wouldn’t work straight up so we send Weber also who is a sold defenseman prospect who can qb a PP.    To top the deal off, we give them our 1st and  2nd in next year’s draft.  Who cares right? Cuz we’ll be winning the Stanley cup next year so the draft picks will be late ones!

    Hammer is 5.5 mil, off our cap.  We’ll still have a little after all our signings.  MAke it happen!

  346. crabvader says:

    That “all of a sudden’s” name is Scott Gomez.





  347. JIMVINNY says:

    I have to think that our top 6 is set.  Pouliot and AK will start the season with their jobs, and those jobs become theirs to keep, or lose.  Gauthier has shown he has no problem making trades, so if they struggle out of the gate, I’m sure he’ll address it at that point.  Because of our cap situation, I can’t see anything happening in regards to a significant player being signed.

  348. HabFanSince72 says:

    5 philosophical questions, answer For or Against for each one.

    1. A point for an overtime loss.

    2. Disband the NHL, start over with 8 Canadian teams and 6 US teams.

    3. Gary Bettman should find a sport more commensurate with his love of the American sun belt: Nascar or Competitive Eating for example.

    4. Go to the same system as Euro soccer with no draft and no cap. Teams that run big deficits simply get bounced from the league.

    5. A complete ban on fighting in hockey.


  349. dudurules says:

    ship Hammer over

  350. HabFanSince72 says:

    Good team that.

    Oh wait… Pacioretty? Max Pacioretty?

  351. crabvader says:

    So lock up Ryan – check

    Trade Hamr and prospect – check

    Give them 1st and 2nd round picks (future) – check

    Have no room to sign Markov next year – check

    Have extreme difficulty locking up Gorges aswell – check





  352. ZepFan2 says:

    Because getting a seventh round pick for a known malcontent is great. Getting two players (hopefully they’ll be signed), is astonishing.

    “leftist group thinker”


    “it recommences its insullts!”

    You sound like the nut in Silence of the Lambs. lol

    What insult are you yapping about? The fact I quoted YOU?!


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  353. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Against

    2. Against

    3. For

    4. For

    5. Against


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  354. crabvader says:

    1. Against, but then shootouts should be removed and continous OT for all! :/ I’ll stick with the 1 pt OT loss.

    2. Against. As much as the NHL is faulted, it’s amazing.

    3. Why would I be against that?

    4. Completely against.

    5. AGAINST





  355. Mikey_39 says:

    ban fighting? No way! Not only is fighting part of NHL history, but it’s also exciting and a way of avenging dirty hits on your teammates, which you would see a lot more of if they banned fighting. 

  356. Natrous says:

    And that’s when, as GM of the team, you pull you pants down to your ankles and ask other GMs to go easy on you, because they know they’ve got you at their mercy. And I’m not talking about getting a paddlin’.

  357. Mikey_39 says:

    Yup! Cmon man he’s young.  Give him a chance.  I want to see more of our young drafted players succeed with our team

  358. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    1. Against     2. Against     3. For     4. Against    5. Against

    For Question #1 : Loser does not get a point if they lose in OT, but if they lose in SO they’re granted a point.

  359. JIMVINNY says:

    Against everything but getting rid of Bettman.

  360. cautiousoptimist says:

    1. A point for an overtime loss.

    No problem, as long as every game’s worth the same number of points.  So, three points for a regulation win, two for an OT/SO win, 1 for an OT/SO loss, and none for a regulation loss.  That also provides an incentive for teams to score in the last few minutes of a tied game, instead of just coasting into OT assured of at least a point.


    2. Disband the NHL, start
    over with 8 Canadian teams and 6 US teams.

    Come on now, I thought we were being serious? : )


    3. Gary Bettman should
    find a sport more commensurate with his love of the American sun belt:
    Nascar or Competitive Eating for example.

    Hard not to agree with that.


    4. Go to the same system
    as Euro soccer with no draft and no cap. Teams that run big deficits
    simply get bounced from the league.

    I don’t like that system — Cups shoudl be earned, not bought, and I’d hate to see the Oilers and other much-loved though small-market teams disappear.  If that means we have to live with a couple of sunbelt teams for now, so be it.


    5. A complete ban on fighting
    in hockey.

    No way.


    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  361. Chorske says:

    He’s saying the right things, at least.

    And I like the notion that “playing in MTl” = “winning” in the heads of potential free agents; this has not always been the case. amazing what an exciting playoff run can do for a team’s rep.

  362. WarHero says:

    Thanks guys, you folks rock!



    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  363. Bugs says:

    Awright, enough jokes. Let’s get down to the business of gettin down:

    Holland (land of bouncing blondies with pig-tails and bongs the size of your arm) vs Bra-Ziiiiiiiil (whistle-whistle): if anyone can dash the Seleçâo asunder, those friggin Dutch can. Stalwart D, brilliant control in midfield, and precision strikes. Vision, determination, and tough. Real tough. Tougher than Brazil. Gritty, hard, physical, but never cross the line. And Brazil is…well…Brazil. So c’moooon Holland!

    Uruguay (original champs, old school) vs Ghana (the African hope): if Ghana can’t cope with losses on their roster, as much as it pains me, they’re gonna get chewed up and spit out by a team that finally has all the pieces back. Suarez, after Messi, has been the best player in my eyes in this WC. Their maestro in midfield Forlan has also been the best general on the pitch I’ve seen since Zizou in that Spain-Brazil-Portugal run 4 years back. Time to return to the Source: C’mooooon, Uruguay!

    Arhentina (mountains and coffee, beaches and snow) vs ze Germans (Benzs and sauerkraut, watches and wienerschvitzel) excellent passing, very decent control, with stunning bursts of vision against beautiful tactiful machine-like precision and devastating strikes, what more is there to say? C’mooooon Germany!

    Paraguay (border controls and bananas?) vs la Furia Roja (con las mujeres mas attrativas) If Paraguay can score quick, they may have a chance. To get to Spain, you gotta attak their “toughness du mental”. But still, I don’t think Paraguay has enough weapons. Dog-food. Villa playing as I never expected. Best he’s ever been, imo. My boy Torres? …not so much. Surprising. But still, should be a cake-walk afore REAL adversity hits the matadors. C’mon Spain.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  364. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    1. That is the way it works now…or are you asking if it should be changed?  I’m for it at any rate

    2.  Definitely for!!

    3. Emphatically agree (I’ve often wondered if Gary owns a pair of skates, or knows how to skate for that matter)

    4. For, it would greatly help the Habs of course, but it would also get rid of all those southern teams that have no interest in hockey anyway

    5.  For.  It is one of the reasons the NHL has been able to market the sport in the south.  Sort of like a freak show.  Watch a bunch of toothless Canadians kick the crap out of each other.  Takes away from the game.  The days of Gordie Howe fights are long gone, now it’s 90% scripted spectacle that is an insult to our beautiful game.

  365. Mikey_39 says:

    Ok well there’s no way this is going to work if you’re going to be a negative nancy, lol.  I see that we have 28 mil cap space next season and our roster has 8 players on it…So basically we’re screwed either way?

  366. Bugs says:

    Hardly. To keep Ilya, I’d send a few characters to the minors without hesitation, effectively removing their numbers from my payroll. The last bridge? For Ilya? Yeah, I’d cross it.

    So no one would have me over a barrel at all, would they? Wouldn’t need any other GM’s help and wouldn’t ask for it.

    Unless they wanted to talk of course.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  367. andrewberkshire says:

    This is basically exactly how I feel. If we suffer any injuries to the defense or Hamrlik gets traded, I’d like to see what Carle can do with a longer stint in the bigs.

  368. Bugs says:

    I see Brazil or Holland

    But am hoping for Uruguay.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  369. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Nigel Dawes (LW) was just placed on waivers by CGY. If he’s actually bought out, he might be a nice addition for $500-750k.

    A 3rd line LW who can gust up to 2nd line duty in a pinch.

  370. pic1983 says:

    1. if the loser point stays, than to me, it needs to go to a 3-2-1 system.  3 points total to be awarded. 3 for a regulation win, 2 for a shootout/OT win and 1 for an OT loss.  Otherwise, id like to go back to 2 points for a win, and 1 for a tie, bring back the tie column, and aboloish overtime and shootouts during the season.  Right now, teams just play for the overtime towards the end of a tied game, and i dont like it.

    2.Ok lets calm down.  Contract the NHL by 4 teams and call it a day.  The product will be better and taking a few steps back to make huge strides forward with regards to improving the on ice product could be a good move.

    3.  Gary Bettman needs to disappear.  Not die, just disappear. 

    4.  Parity has been good for the league, the only problem is the wattered down talent.  Obviously as a big money franchise, we like this idea, but I feel for the fans of the smaller teams. 

    5.  Staged fighting needs to disappear, but I really dont want to lose epic scraps like the ones between Lecavalier and Iginla in the playoffs. Wish there were more of those.  Imagine if crosby and ovechkin dropped them in the playoffs!

  371. TomNickle says:

    No, I’m serious, which Chris, what happened?

  372. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, it’s hard to remember when this place has been saturated by the overflow of trolls.

  373. J.T. says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I thought the worst news to come out of the off-season was the Halak trade.  Unless, of course, Eller turns out to be brilliant.  Then, we’ll see.  For now, though, playoff MVP for unproven prospects doesn’t do it for me.



  374. mbplekfan says:

    The new NHL is all about youth. You need a strong crop of cheap youngsters to play alongside your veterans. The team with the most young talent will ultimately win. The days of Kovalev, Kariya, Koivu and other senior veterans are over.

    I dont see Boyd being signed as we have lots of players in his category already. Ellis could be signed but only if he’s willing to accept no raise and a second string position. This trade was all about dumping Sergei.

    We are cap constrained and have lots of depth players.

    Gomez, Pleks, Endqvist, Eller, Lapierre, White, Maxwell… We have centers. We lack money.

    And whats with the love in for Moore? Sure he played some quality hockey down the stretch but we need size and toughness at that position and he brings neither. He also over values his services. He was a good pickup when we were in injury trouble but isnt exactly what you pick as your 3rdd line center.

    Someone will pick him up, just not us.

  375. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Hahahah TSN’s headline “Flyers sign playoff hero to 2 year contract” what the heck?!

  376. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    I would credit the Flyers’ defense, not Leighton, for the 3 shutouts. Plus we only had 2 guys scoring and the Habs’ tank was out of fuel. 


  377. mike g says:

    As a follower of the Flyers, I’m really dissapointed in the news about Leighton…

    Sure it’s better for my favorite team, MTL, that the Flyers will once again have a rubber chicken in nets. But seriously, GM’s across the league are so smart. Same can be said for the whole staff of an NHL team (with the exception of Milbury).

    So how is it that the Flyers still refuse to adress their biggest need for the like the 25th straight year? They’re able to assemble one heck of a squa every single year, but always ignore the most important one.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  378. mike g says:

    And gaz is expensive these days….

    It was a cost management decision I guess…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  379. SeriousFan09 says:

    Their playoff hero, as much as I dislike him, was Chris Pronger.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  380. cautiousoptimist says:

    I don’t think Gauthier would have traded for Ellis and Boyd if he didn’t plan to try to sign them.  Otherwise, he could have dealt Sergei for a 4th-rounder and been done with it.  And youth certainyl counts for something, but it’s the cap hits that really matter — Ellis and Boyd will probably make something in the area of $2.5M combined, so they’re a really cheap way to solve the backup goalie and 4th-line centre problems.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  381. WarHero says:

    As per TSN:

    The Philadelphia Flyers appear to be going with a familiar face as their No. 1 netminder next season, as the club has signed Michael Leighton to a two-year, $3.1 million contract.


    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  382. SlovakHab says:

    Could someone enlighten me on why did we needed to sign Darche for 1 more season? I know he is a good guy and all, but couldn’t we rather save 500k and sign Metro or Moore? Bit more expensive, but heaps better as well, not?


    And per Twitter: Ellis seeking 2 years / around 4 million $. Agent Mike Liut talking to GM Gauthier. Gauthier called Ellis to promote Montreal.

    (JP Chaumont, Radio-Canada Sports Reporter)

  383. SLONCOLD says:

    Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeightonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeightonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !!!!

  384. aemarchand11 says:

    I think this was a… leadership move. Darche must be very good in the dressing room with the young guys. Being captain of the Bulldogs im sure a lot of the young guys go to him. He did put up some timely goals when he was first called up, had a sub-pay playoff but hes a solid depth/reserve forward.

    Financial stability for a season as well, so im happy for the guy. He is guarranteed his 500,000 and can actually live in a house with his family and not a hotel room.

  385. likehoy says:

    how is kurtis foster going to free agency again? and he was only paid 600k last year? he had a career high 42 points..he’s 6’5 and 220lbs. how was he paid only 600k last year and how is stevie Y letting him go?

    his career stats aren’t bad either, almost .5ppg and he surely has size… i remember him giving us a hard time last year when we faced the lightning.

  386. andrewberkshire says:

    The reason why we signed Darche is because he’s going to be the 13th forward. He’s a veteran guy who can challenge the younger guys, but who’ll most likely be a healthy scratch half the season. You don’t want a guy as good as Moore playing that role because it’s a waste of money, and you don’t want a prospect playing that role because it’s a waste of time for development.

    Ellis better be willing to come down on that number if he wants to play here, but it’s not a bad starting point for negotiations.

  387. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t understand either. Darche is not NHL caliber, and he is 33.


  388. crabvader says:

    Claude Giroux.





  389. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Flyers don’t believe in goal keeping.


  390. andrewberkshire says:

    I asked Pierre LeBrun that same thing yesterday, he sent me a private message that basically said Yzerman has been negotiating with him since he was hired but Yzerman and Foster’s agent are very far apart on numbers.

  391. Malreg says:

    Metro and Moore are both Center’s, and we are already starting to have a lot of depth at that position. Gomez, Plekanec, Eller, Lapierre, Pyatt.  Metro is as good as gone, and it’s down to either Boyd or Moore.  I think Gauthier got Boyd to try and use him as negotiation pressure with Moore, sort of like “Either lower your price, or we’ll just sign Boyd who is almost just as good”.

    Darche is depth winger who will be making the league minimum.  He goes 100% every shift, plays with heart, and will do anything for the team.  Why wouldn’t you want some one like that for your 4th line or extra forward?

  392. Clay4bc says:

    With all due respect to Chris – whom I have a lot of respect for – I agree with you.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  393. kempie says:

    FWIW, maybe someone should look into this:



  394. DiPaolo says:

    I don’t believe that Leighton is their number one.  Not signing him for that amount.  I’m guessing they are still active for a tender tomorrow

  395. crabvader says:

    I bet his agent is looking for 3mil per.





  396. Guy-Guy-Guy says:

    Ref the love in for Moore,  I think we all saw the difference on the third line before and after Moore.  A guy who plays with hearth every game, every shift, raises everyone else’s effort level.  Sergei and Lapierre had their best games of the season when Moore was their center.  Only after this happenned did we start to see any secondary scoring.  At the start of the season when the 3rd line was MaxPac-Metro-Moen,  they were basically just killing time for the first two lines to catch their breaths. 


    Lack of size and toughness is not a huge deal when you play with Moen and Lapierre who will compensate somewhat.  Lapierre’s not the toughest guy but he has the most hits on the team.




    —Guy Lafleur smoked between periods. Did smoking give him the relaxation he craved before scoring so many goals?

  397. crabvader says:

    Is that really Renaud Lavoie’s twitter? Cause the two last tweets would make me giddy all day.





  398. Bryan says:

    Yeah really.  I’m kind of excited about the Hamrlik one lol


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  399. SeriousFan09 says:

    I would put PIT and ANA on his likely destinations if he’s looking to price himself in the FA market. ANA could use some help on the back end with Niedermayer retiring. Pittsburgh could use anybody possibly with the Gonchar and Hamhuis negotiations still going poorly. That or perhaps Burkie needs an 11th defencemen.



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  400. slamtherimtim says:

    last year when gainey made the first move by GM’s ( gomez ) and then started spending money at high noon , we were all up in arms about how the team sucked , was too small , should have resigned our own free agents . and then BAM 3rd round of the playoffs , what a ride it was , even with the injuries one after another the team did pull through when it counted

    reading the posts the last days are only like reading last year about this same time , and look what happened last year

    seems like PG is doing the same thing this year , being pro-active is what i would call it , and sticking to the plan , when you hear about a five year plan it doesnt mean you start over in five years , plans are revised every year with the five year plan still in mind .

    i like what the team is doing , even more when i think long term , we have some veterens who have won , middle aged over/under achivers , young talent and still the best fans

    even though we dont think anything will happen tomorrow , good for us anyways , i am already excited about the season thats still 3 months away

  401. Storm Man says:

    Bye Dan.

  402. aemarchand11 says:

    Renaud is probably my favourite personalities on RDS. He ALWAYS argues with Gaston and co and makes it halirious.

    Bob McKenzie says that Ellis will hit the Free Agent Market, But Radio Canada and now RDS Say that he will sign.

  403. likehoy says:

    does foster provide TRUCCULENCE.

    i can see TMLSE asking job applicants to their monthly magazine to have “trucculence”

  404. JD_ says:

    Two words: Bobby Clobber.

    Unbelievable. I mean, I don’t have a problem with it, but simply unbelievable, in particular with an emerging buyer’s market for goaltenders.

  405. crabvader says:

    Says who? McKenzie? I don’t trust a single word that comes out of that dude’s mouth unless it’s talking about prospects.





  406. Puck Bard says:

    He goes from $600k to $3 Mil / 2 and you don’t think they’re thinking number 1?  It’s a buyer’s market for goaltending, just look at the talent out there they could have got for the money they spent. Unbelievable.

  407. kempie says:

    I was thinking the same thing.

  408. SmartDog says:

    its not his twitter

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop.

  409. MontrealAtheist says:

    Are you sure you didn’t simply “outgrow” the largest available size?

  410. MontrealAtheist says:

    Does that mean your love affair with Carey is over?

  411. HabFanSince72 says:

    A hockey debate used to be “who is beter one on one, Lafleur or Middleton?” and no one talked about hockey on July 1.

    Now it’s all “Gomez, I don’t like his cap hit” and “Kovalchuk, what’s his cap hit relative to the number of points?” It’s getting like baseball where we pay more attention to stats than to the artists on the ice.



  412. Mad Habber says:

    The cap, just highlights the GM’s woes. It were always there, at least I remember them being there through the 90’s it just wasn’t as much a fan concern as it is now.

  413. twocents says:

    What are you implying, Steve?

    You’re drawing a conection between Gomez and Chris’s decision to leave?

  414. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah but Steve, moves like acquiring Gomez’s contract shouldn’t be the ignitor for a year’s worth of slagging an excellent player ad nauseum. That and the ridiculous Halak-is-god-Price-sucks posts as well as personal shots at Bob Gainey really have to make you wonder where the commentariat’s focus is at.

    Getting Gomez (and in hindsight Pyatt) for the invisible Higgins (whom I always rooted for through his slumps and really wanted to succeed as a Hab) and a couple of highly thought of prospects (in our minds only) that truthfully will probably never see the NHL was a great deal. So Gainey took the gamble of taking on one of those massive dumb contracts, shouldn’t the player and his abilities and what he brings to the team be the focus?

    Instead we hear Gomez this, Gomez that, Gomez’s contract, dumb Gainey, Gomez doesn’t score enough goals… Scott Gomez is NOT a goal scorer so people, quit bitching about it. Scott Gomez is a superb skater, a playmaker, a hustler and a winner. Granted he had a tough year, adjusting to new teammates, nagging injuries (which he played through) but he is on the record saying how much being a Montreal Canadien means to him (as were a lot of these new acquisitions) and that should mean the world to Hab fans because if some of you haven’t noticed, not a hell of a lot of high profile players have wanted anything to do with Montreal in the last 20 or so years.

  415. 24 Cups says:

    Eric – Indirectly, in terms of how I feel.  I felt downhearted after the Gomez deal and I also feel a sense of dismay after hearing that Chris might/will leave.  Then again, it’s just a website in terms of the grand picture.

    The lesson to be learned here is to not expect too much from the site (cooment wise) in terms of serious Hab dialogue.  Or maybe the real lesson is to not take it all so seriously, period.

    You still can’t beat the quality of the Gazette articles (and breaking news) that is posted here on a daily basis.  That is the core of the site, not the comment section.  I get my Hab fix by reading The Gazette sports section (Pat Hickey doesn’t get enough recognition on this site), Mike Boone, Robert L and J.T. on a daily basis.

  416. twocents says:

    I see, you’re drawing a connection in how these events make you feel.

    I thought you were blaming Chris’s departure on Gomez.

    Thanks for clarifying and I agree with many of your points about the website.

  417. 24 Cups says:

    smiler – very good points.  I try and stay in the moment but I know that my constant references to AK46, Samsonov and Gomez can be a bit much (using myself as an example).  

    The headmaster has been all over AK46 these past few months so I feel a bit vindicated in that regard.  Gomez is here and will be for the next few years so what’s the point of constantly re-visiting the pros and cons of his arrival?

    I will do my upmost to give both these guys a break in terms of my comments.  If we all do that it might take away from some of the problems that you have outlined.

    Samsonov?  Meatloaf said it best, “Two out three ain’t bad:-)”

  418. smiler2729 says:

    Steve The 24, I’m with you on AK46, I’ve just run out of patience with this guy mostly because his lackadaisackal play and obvious disinterest during some of his shifts are so apparent. Add his lack of expected production and voila! AK46 is persona non-grata. At least he’s not whining baby like his Nashville-bound little brother.

    As for Samsonov, that guy quit on so many teams (Boston, Edmonton, the Habs, Chicago and now Carolina), it’s difficult to believe he’s still getting an NHL paycheque. The fact that teams kept taking a chance on him just says that he does have the talent.

    I get the rap (maybe justified but I don’t think so) that I’m anti-European. True, I prefer the North American style of player after seeing too many Europeans simply go through the motions or only play a one-dimensional game (me score!), but there are many I admire (Saku Koivu, Alex Kovalev, I only wish he came to play every shift, Peter Forsberg just to name some recent Euro stars in the NHL).

    Samsonov, AK46, SK74… all deserve our wrath. Hell, even Alex Tanguay, a local who actually played a soft me score type of game mostly seen in European players.


  419. camel_larry says:

    c’mon man, it’s not the site’s fault. You’re as much to blame as anyone else.


    Habs Go!

  420. andrewberkshire says:

    I didn’t say I wasn’t, I’m just saying it would be funny.

  421. camel_larry says:

    Implode, i.e. shut down? How would that be funny? This is Boone’s, Stubbs’, Hickey’s, Mio’s, and the rest of them – This is their job, dude. That would not be funny.


    Go Habs Go!

  422. andrewberkshire says:

    Implode as in the commenters would go nuts. You’re taking this WAY too seriously man, it was a joke.

  423. Mike Boone says:

    Chris is Chris. He’s a grad student in Ontario. His avatar is the silhouette of a devil.

  424. Big Bird says:

    Who is Chris?  (I don’t mean that in a demeaning manner.  Did he go by a different username?  Or is Boone referring to Chris Aug-Thwin?)

  425. twocents says:

    Or more often, his avatar is Mats Naslund in a Team Sweden jersey.

  426. Big Bird says:

    Thanks for clarifying Mike.

  427. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    we can only wish….

  428. TomNickle says:

    We’z Ice Cold Doc.

  429. Bugs says:

    Ok, Tommy. Every trade can be seen coming except the ones Gauthier makes.

    Acquiring a 3rd liner afore the playoffs at trade deadline was a total surprise.

    Dumping the num1 goalie for prospects in order to make way for the teacher’s pet wonderboy was SURELY not in the plans…

    Trading the team’s problem child in the off-season a week after he had disparaged the club was a shocker out’ve left field.

    That Gauthier is an absolute whiz who really thinks outside the box in the trade department, or else, we’d see his trades comin. I agree, Tommy.


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  430. andrewberkshire says:

    Maybe it’s just in comparison to Brian Burke, who announces his trades months before hand, from a megaphone on top of the CN Tower.

  431. TomNickle says:

    C’mon yourself mister.

    You gotta admit there’s a little bit of shrewdness in his dealings.

    I can point to a ton of trades that GMs have made that were seen coming a mile away.

    Don’t make me go down the list Bugsy.

  432. Bugs says:

    Can’t call anything shrewd until we see some return. I’m sure you agree with this.

    And for every trade you can point to that you saw comin, you’ll find 100 you couldn’t. Nothing surprising there as being discreet is in most GM’s job description.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  433. TomNickle says:

    Really, how much time you got?


  434. Bugs says:

    What’s great about that is that he always trips and falls off after instead of taking the elevator down.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  435. mike g says:

    August 6-14th…

    Gonna catch the Saturday night Nationals-Dodgers game. Hopefully Strasburg pitches for the Nats.

    I know you’ve been to LA and suggested a few places for me to visit. So when it gets closer to the date, we can talk some more and I’ll take some notes.

    Sound good?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  436. Storm Man says:

    When do you go to LA?

  437. mike g says:

    There’s not question about that.

    Bob is the one who knows the most about hockey, period. From top to bottom he knows his stuff. What I find makes him, and all the others, look dumb is the rumor business. It’s such a fake world.

    Problem is, it sells.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  438. mike g says:

    Alright Tony..

    I really don’t think it’s just a coincidence that you replied to a post about any potential positivity surrounding PG. So instead of arguing with you and perhaps throwing around a few words not accepted in church, I’ll just move on to the next person.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  439. SeriousFan09 says:

    I don’t really like Bob Mackenzie’s NHL coverage on TV, but his knowledge of the junior systems is extremely comprehensive I would say and does a lot of good work to break trades and NHL shakeups through Twitter. I think it’s the editorial slant of TSN that has him covering the Loafs a lot more than he’d like to. If I could tak a TV analyst and put him in the Habs organization, I’d skip right over the chrome dome cheerleader and put Mackenzie in amateur scouting for the Habs.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  440. Storm Man says:

    Anytime Mike.

  441. twocents says:

    Astute priorities. ;o)

  442. Clay4bc says:

    Good call, Doug. I hope you stick around this time.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  443. dudurules says:

    read this comment on tsn… “I think the Habs are thinking about Frolov, but with Andrei Kostitsyn not having to worry about his spoiled little brother, he is probably due for a bounce-back season (and is cheaper than Frolov). I am sure that Mathew Lombardi is a tempting home-town boy and could be a good replacement for Dominic Moore on the third line pivot (if Moore doesn’t re-sign with the Habs).Lastly, I hope they can get Ellis signed, as he’s a character veteran that could be the mentor Price has missed in his young career. In terms of Dustin Boyd, he’s young and bring top effort every night; he’ll be an upgrade over Metropolit as 4th line centre”



  444. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Does this mean Lapierre plays as a winger?

  445. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Wow, Rod Brind’Amour has retired.

  446. 24 Cups says:

    RBA left 3M on the table which is a lot of coin.  Sadly, his game was so bad near the end that it was getting kind of embarrassing.

    You can’t do any end runs in terms of hidden salary but I wouldn’t be surprised if Brind’Amour gets a gig upstairs.  After all, he did save his team 2M in cap space (buyout) spread over two years.

  447. Mad Habber says:

    I don’t know Chris..But I think sending hate emails might be a bit extreme no? Over a disagreement here? If I remember right that’s why he pulled out.

  448. The Cat says:

    I would think youre right. It aint healthy to get too self absorbed on a message board to the point of caring too much.

  449. smiler2729 says:

    You’re missing the point but then…

  450. smiler2729 says:

    Well, if it’s brought up by Boone then you “ain’t” getting the point either.

  451. The Cat says:

    I been here over 2 years, dont worry I get it.

  452. Puck Bard says:

    Yup… Boone did tag it “the worst news of the off-season”: there’s hyperbole courting a fire. 

  453. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, I know you have, that’s why I was surprized by your comment…

    Maybe we’ve all gotten used to the constant bashing posts that they’ve become the norm and the previous thoughtful sane posts of yesteryear are not even a distant memory now.

  454. andrewberkshire says:

    I would say Lapierre has been converted to wing for now. Looks like the plan is for Eller to be 3rd line center and Boyd 4th line.

  455. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    But, wait, if Nashville just wanted to let go of him, why did they trade him? Should have just let him become a UFA. Because now if Montreal does sign him, they (Nashville) will have to give a 5th round pick.

  456. habs001 says:

    maybe i am missing something…if nashville qualified him we could still have given them the 5th rounder and boyd would have been cheaper than it will be now if we sign him ….

  457. andrewberkshire says:

    The reason Nashville didn’t qualify Boyd is because he was arbitration eligible. And sometime in arbitration a player will get more than he would have received as a UFA, thus they were taking their chances with Boyd.

  458. ZepFan2 says:

    Look, even if that conspiracy theory you just spun is true. The bottom line, and I’ll do this poeticly and simplify it just for you.


    Addition by subtraction.

    Gets rid of our distraction.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  459. 24 Cups says:

    With Laps being the insurance policy already on the roster in case of injury or a major slump.  It’s a good plan except that all 4 regular centres will be left handed, which just goes to make Laps’ spot all the more important.

  460. nightmare_49 says:

    Steve – Very good point and i’m sure we will be reading it again , very soon. Our new players are versatile enough to play the wing if a right handed center man is picked up.

    PG’s major moves are probably made but he may do a bit of tinkering for depth, stay tuned.

  461. nightmare_49 says:

      a – Laps inconsistency with his defensive assignments at center really irks JM so with the need for more size and someone who can win battles down low, RW seems to be a fit for Laps now.

     Maxim has improved in getting the puck out of his own end on the wing which is a team weakness that JM hates. It’s Millar time.

  462. andrewberkshire says:

    Good call as always.

  463. lavie says:

    Ellis DID learn French before Grade 9.

    If he could take interview in French as Tom Kostopoulos did the Bell Centre crowd would be crazy for him.

  464. andrewberkshire says:

    I’d say it was FSL (like I took) so I doubt he could do an interview. Maybe with practice.

  465. Mad Habber says:

    I was thinking the Habs might be able to move Hamrlik’s contract after all the notable UFA d-man are gone. He’s somewhat reliable defenseman, so long as he isn’t used on the powerplay..

  466. G-Man says:

    Ellis will likely go UFA and be disappointed come August and no contract. He doesn’t command a $1.5 mil salary. More like $1 mil max.

    With all those UFA Dmen available, Hamrlik isn’t going anywhere. Who wouldn’t want a Foster or Hamhuis for way less money?

    The Habs today are WYSIWYG. What you see is what you get. Other than a minor move or two, the roster is what it is.

  467. wotever says:

    #1 I’d like Moore back, the fact he’s bilingual should help but maybe his agent is using that against the Canadiens (completely useless against any other team).  But if he’s asking for crazy $$$ see next point, but modify great to good.

    re: #2, in your opinion. I would like to see what he’s signed for before I make that determination.  My concern is that we would have ended up with one expensive, great, player and an even weaker offense.  Which doesn’t improve the team.

    #3 some would argue the deletion is good enough. :-)  I note that the previous posting says future considerations for Nashville, I was hoping it was bidirectional.  If Little Tits hits the KHL well…

    A little patience is what I’m saying, I guess.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  468. Kooch7800 says:

    Seriously, who does that?  Man some people have to get a life

  469. andrewberkshire says:

    Kind of like how Habs_Guru took pictures from my facebook and posted them on flicker, then posted the links here repeatedly? There are some crazies on this site, make no mistake.

  470. Propwash says:

    I think that’s because he used the same username on his flickr account.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  471. andrewberkshire says:

    Those aren’t stalkers, they’re police officers chasing you after you ran off with a speedo!

  472. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s not even the craziest part. The guy still comments on my blog weekly with a bunch of insults. It’s almost humourous that it emails me and I can delete it seconds later, so he gets zero satisfaction.

  473. andrewberkshire says:

    Well at least you went out with a bang!

  474. G-Man says:

    Check out the long list of good quality Dmen at the top of the page. Hamrlik will be a tough pill to swallow for too many teams. Habs did overpay, but he has logged big minutes and never complained. If Markov is not ready (that is likely), Hamrlik will log the big minutes again.


    Spacek- O’Byrne


    Room for 1 rookie until Markov is back.

  475. Shublips says:

    The next week will be interesting to say the least!  Let’s see if Gauthier moves anyone in order to try and sign some free agents.  Hamrlik is a candidate as it AK46.

    As for the trade yesterday, it is a great move by Gauthier and at very least, amounts to addition by subtraction.  If the Habs can sign one of both of these guys, they come out way ahead.  Great move.

    So what do you all think of Pierre Gauthier now?

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  476. Puck Bard says:

    The guy can’t stop a basketball, low or high. Habs went dry on offense and made him look like a $3 mil man… LMAO

  477. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Oh gosh. He’s probably going to be a back-up goaltender – but that’s a lot of coin for a back-up…are you serious Flyers, this guy can’t be your starter!

  478. andrewberkshire says:

    Flyers have signed Leighton to a 2 year 3.1 million dollar contract.

  479. mrhabby says:

    flyers still have same old problem. can they not find themselves a quality goal keeper for once. unreal.

  480. SeriousFan09 says:

    Wow, Flyers never learn do they?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  481. andrewberkshire says:

    They already have a backup signed in Boucher, so I guess they’ll fight in camp to see who plays for the Phantoms. Gotta say they overpaid for a terrible goalie who went on a hot streak, no way I would sign Leighton.

  482. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Yeah bud, looks like Nabokov is going to test the market.

  483. JF says:

    I was among those who were not thrilled to see Pierre Gauthier take over as GM.  It seemed that the Habs, instead of looking for the best available candidate, were taking the easy way out by staying within the organization and promoting the assistant because he is a francophone.  But I have to say that so far I’ve liked what Gauthier has done.  I liked the Dominic Moore trade at the time and, even if we don’t re-sign him, it’s hard to argue that a second-rounder was too much to give up for him considering how big a part he played in our post-season success.  I liked Gauthier’s aggressive move in jumping the gun on free-agency and trading Halak when he did, and, while I would have liked to get a roster player for him, I’m pleased about the two prospects we did get.  I also like the fact that Gauthier refused to be deflected from his choice of Eller, even though the Blues tried to steer him in a different direction.  He showed similar determination in trading up at the draft to get the player he wanted.  He said he would re-sign Plekanec and he’s done so.  This latest move shows the same kind of aggression and determination.  We’re rid of SK74, and we’ve again jumped the gun on free-agency, giving ourselves an extra window of time to begin negotiations with two players so that, when free-agency begins, we’ll have a better idea of where we stand and hopefully avoid being left grasping at straws while the players who might fill our needs sign elsewhere.  In every situation so far, Gauthier seems to have a clear idea of what he wants, and he takes the steps necessary to get it.  He also shows a willingness to take risks and to make unpopular moves.

  484. Max_a_million says:

    I completely agree.  Better to be assertive, and get what you want.  Then if he has success or failure it will be a result of accomplishing the things he wanted to clearly.  Personally I do think the moves will work out for us though.

  485. OneTimer says:

    Good post bro, I agree. Don’t listen to that Tony douchebag (although you probably didn’t need to be reminded).

  486. TomNickle says:

    Anybody else notice that Gauthier pulls the trigger on trades when NOBODY expects him to?

    Think about it.

    Right before the Olympics, and only one media outlet heard the rumour prior to the deal getting done.

    The Halak trade, many people thought he would be traded but not right then.

    This Sergei trade, on the same day as a headline that said not to expect anything from the Habs.

    Gauthier is the hand up Mona Lisa’s skirt.


  487. SeriousFan09 says:

    There’s a reason his nickname around the league is the Ghost.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  488. Bugs says:

    As opposed to other GMs who trade when expected? You saw them all coming except the Gauthier ones? You saw the Guidoune-Poolio deal a mile away? And Sergei being traded a week away from ranking out his organization REALLY came outta left field for ya?

    C’mon, Tommy. Take it easy. Guy’s just doin his job. Like all the other GMs.

    Except Tony’s leafs’ GM of course.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

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  489. mike g says:

    I did notice that, and I was gonna post something about how the “experts” missed the boat once again…

    Boob McKenzie, Darren “my mouth is curved” Dregger, and Fakelund once again all had no idea this was going down. These guys are apparently the “top” “insiders”, yet they never know what the heck is going on. Maybe they’re too attached to Brian Burke and hoping the Leafs do something smart. Heck, I couldn’t stop laughing at TSN’s draft coverage last Friday. I never once saw Dregger leave the Leafs table, it’s like he was waiting there all night for something to happen. Because we all know the state of the world depended on what the Leafs would do with good’ol Kaberle at the draft.

    That said, good on PG. I’m not gonna say he’s gotten my full respect and has done a great job because it’s still early. Let’s give the guy a year and a half or 2 years before we judge him. But up to now, I can’t say I dissagree with any of his moves.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  490. twocents says:

    Okay, here’s a poll. Which player would you be happiest about hearing they signed a contract today? List them in descending order?

    1. Maxime Lappiere

    2. Carey Price

    3. Dominic Moore

    4. Dan Ellis

    5. Dustin Boyd

    Here’s mine: 1.Ellis, 2.Moore, 3.Boyd, 4.Price, 5.Lappiere. I list the UFA’s first due to time pressures. I choose Ellis over Moore because I don’t want to lose Sergei for nothing. If UFA time weren’t at issue. I’d say: Price, Moore, Ellis, Lappierre, Boyd.



  491. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I guess it depends on how much they sign them for!


    Really though, I think Price and/or Ellis would have to be at the top of my list, simply because we need a goalie.  Lapierre and Moore were both great when it counted most, in the playoffs, so I’d like to see them signed.  I went to university in Calgary, so I had a chance to see a fair bit of Boyd.  The kid has a lot of upside, and plays the game hard.  He has some hands when given the chance.  If we can get him cheap, I think he’d look fantastic on a fourth line with Moen.  Those two are tough players that can pop the odd goal in too.

  492. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Just had a thought…I imagine that PG and the lads will be focussing on Ellis and Moore today as they are UFAs.  Meaning that we are more likely to hear of a signing about them before the other three.  Price is the only real risk of an offer sheet, but it seems pretty clear we are planning on keeping him, so if a GM does send him one, it’d be a provocation to PG.  Perhaps Burke will do it just to spite Montreal?

  493. nickster13 says:

    1. Price, since we got rid of Halak, Price BETTER get signed, the sooner the better

    2. Boyd, this guy is a stud

    3. moore, played well down the stretch

    4. Ellis, solid goalie, but Price was given the reigns, no point in having a guy whos equally good

    5. Lapierre, junk for the most part last year, a few big playoffs goals helped, but its not enough, he was a marginal player last year

  494. doug says:

    Ellis, Moore, Boyd, Price, Lapierre.  If signed at a reasonable price Ellis puts a cap on the Price requests and we’re in the drivers seat.  I’d sign a capable back-up before Price if he gets to negotiating a nonsensical contract – the goal behind the Halak trade was to get better value at goaltending.  I think Gauthier should have locked up Price first somehow but realistically he might have had trouble without a clear role for him.  Now he needs to sign another 1b if Price plays games.

  495. andrewberkshire says:





    Moore (I don’t think we can afford Moore anymore, unfortunately)

  496. camel_larry says:

    1:  Price

    2:  Ellis

    3: Boyd/Moore

    4: Moore/Boyd

    5: Laps

    My reasons: I wanna get this goalie situation nailed down pronto. I think Price + agent, as well as Ellis + agent, should all be present and negotiate something like a 3 year deal for both of ‘em. Boyd and Moore, well, I like them both, so either order. Laps isn’t as good, IMO, as Boyd or Moore, and is a RFA, and thusly finds himself at the bottom of my list.


    Habs Go!

  497. MikeL says:

    Moore because he’s a UFA.

  498. cautiousoptimist says:

    1. Moore, if only because Price and Lapierre are a question of “when,” rather than “if,” and I’d rather see Moore centering the third line with Boyd on the 4th between Lapierre and someone else.

    2. Boyd, for the same reason

    3. Ellis

    4. Price

    5. Lapierre

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    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  499. K-hab25 says:

    If it’s purely a business decision I’d agree with what you said UFA’s, then the RFA’s. What would make me happiest though, would be to see Price signed.

  500. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Price so we can run around like monkeys figuring out our cap situation :)

    2. Lapierre, I like what he brings to the team.

    3. Ellis, so the goaltending is sorted out, even if he doesn’t sign, there are 26 other UFA goalies out there, many to be had for cheap.

    4. Boyd, make sure we get a good grit player out of the SK deal.

    5. Moore, honestly I don’t see him working with the cap situation unless he signs low.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  501. habs001 says:

    the ak74 trade may have been a last second move…otherwise you would think boyd would heve been qualified…

  502. Malreg says:

    According to Bob McKenzie, they didn’t qualify Boyd because he was an RFA with arbitration rights.  In other words, they are really cheap bastards, and didn’t want to end up paying Boyd $1-$1.2 million.

  503. SLONCOLD says:

    Whats the hold up with getting Price signed? i think it would be ill advised to go into tomorrow without him signed and run into the potential of being forced into matching an offer sheet.

  504. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I agree, although seeing as how the Habs have made it all but clear that Price is our number one, GMs would have to assume that any offer sheet they sent would be matched…meaning all they would be doing is making an enemy out of PG.   And with the crop of goalies available as UFAs, Price as an RFA might be low on the list. 

    But I agree, why chance it?

  505. Storm Man says:

    I have a feeling that we will have some good news on Price before tonight.

  506. Malreg says:

    I really doubt there will be any offer sheets this summer.  If there is, maybe Bobby Ryan or Niemi(because people know the Hawks can’t match very much…)

    They are just too dangerous to be used.  If the other team matches, then you end up with an enemy and you ruffle too many feathers.  If they don’t match, you have to give up several draft picks, along with making enemies.  Then you end up looking really stupid if the player doesn’t pan out or produce.  Burke ended up trading an extra draft pick for Kessel then what he would have had to give up as compensation just so he didn’t have to use an offer sheet.

  507. 24 Cups says:

    Gonchar and Guerin are both over 35 so any team that signs them won’t be able to get out of the contracts.  Not even if the guy retires.

  508. nightmare_49 says:

       from Pierre LeBrun 3:01pm

       Gonchar, Guerin inch closer to FA market and much more.

  509. mrhabby says:

    one of my fav players of all time..unreal leader.

  510. Malreg says:

    Depends on the salary.

  511. TripleX says:

    Just when I think I am free that damn Mr. Boone draws me back in!


    Sorry to hear you are leaving Chris.  I almost always gained knowledge from reading your comments and that will be missed.  I hope once the season starts the siren call of Mr. Boone will bring you back.  



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  512. KenD29 says:

    Maybe this “Chris” is headed to Nashville with SK !

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  513. HardHabits says:

    I feel dirty while saying this but, “I agree!”

  514. 123456 says:

    this is a business. if you balance the trades, draft picks and the additional revenue from the moves (eg playoff games) maybe it works out. playoffs are big money and the habs the past few seasons make a lot more than they did prior.

    secret mod

  515. HardHabits says:

    omg!! a joke!!! woohooo!!!! T2 made a funny!!! right on buddy!!! u are starting to come around

  516. Storm Man says:

    - 10^39.

  517. MikeL says:

    Yeah I know. I was kind of justifying picking Moore over the RFAs.

    I feel like there’s a much better chance of Ellis and Boyd being signed, therefore I would be happier hearing about Moore because I expect it the least – if that makes sense.

  518. twocents says:

    So are Ellis and Boyd, Mike.

  519. twocents says:

    I get it.

  520. mrhabby says:

    Mike Modano in a 1year deal with option for 1 more…just throwing it out there. Have always liked him as player and if my memory is right  still a great shot and excellent character guy. team him up with the other guys from stars and stripes…maybe , maybe.

    ps..i think someone else mentioned him earlier.

  521. Puck Bard says:

    Sorry to hear this but I think it’s time for Brindy:


  522. mike g says:

    What a great career he had.

    And talk about a guy who sacrificed his body for the sport. I can’t remember one offseason where Rod didn’t go under the knife for a hockey related injury. I hope it doesn’t affect his post-hockey life too much.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  523. andrewberkshire says:

    Patrick O’Sullivan. (-35)

  524. Storm Man says:

    - Duodecillion.

  525. aemarchand11 says:

    While I have had it out with this Tony242 figure for constant repetitive posts, personal attacks arent really meant for this message board. Its not like this is HFBoards.com. But like growing up or in the work place, there are always people around who just like to stir things up. Whether it is for enjoyment I dont really know, but some people just dont stop with ignorant comments. When these individuals are set straight by people who know what they are talking about, their responses are usually offensive.

    This place really is like an episode of 90210, like somebody else posted. But I really dont think people should be taking old posts and using them as evidence, this isnt a courtroom.

    While im sure that Boone used Chris in the update because of the respect he has for him, I dont think it was the right thing to do. All it has done is turn up the heat even more and take the focus off of hockey. I think the right course of action would be to implement systems to get rid of the garbage that is posted on here. There are a couple quick fixes that could happen:

    1. Report option, allow us to report a post from a certain individual. It’s evident that most people would be reporting the same comments which can be linked to an account and an IP.

    2. Somebody mentioned a TSN-Like Boo/Cheer system. This could work as well and could allow people to ignore the comments since they wont be on the top.

    3.Grant Moderator status to certain accounts, this would be a huge sign of trust in some. But a lot of people on here who I may not agree with on things, are not childish and will delete/ban people if needed.

    This place is about the Habs, and hockey. Lets get back to that.

  526. joeybarrie says:


    If the Flyers signed Leighton for 1.5 a year, how much would we have had to pay Halak? Bye Bye Pleks.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  527. aemarchand11 says:

    You need an intervention.

  528. HardHabits says:

    Please don’t make me defend T2’s position but he was inferring that the Habs could’ve gotten more for Halak in a trade. I am neither agreeing with nor disagreeing with what he is saying just clarifying what he actually is saying.

  529. aemarchand11 says:

    They are UFA’s, and were probably being offered under 3 Million a season (In Turco’s case 2 Million/season). Halak on the other hand is an RFA and will get an arbitrators salary of minimum 3.5 Million. Flyers dont have that kind of cap space.

    Oh Tony, as much as you annoy me its always fun to teach you some things about the business of hockey :)

    I guess im a zombie….. Must…loovee…habbssssss..

  530. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Habs needed to get a rookie in that trade. They got rid of Halak because they couldn’t afford him. Can’t very well trade him for Jeff Carter in that case can you?

  531. SLONCOLD says:

    well if i were a top place team with expected late round draft picks, i wouldn’t mind a 1st and 3rd overall going if i see price as my future. a 1st and 3rd overal pick is all it would cost a team if they offered 3.9M to price per year.

    so it’s not as crazy as some might think.


    lil more info on offer sheets and compensation:

    Below $863,156 No Compensation
    $863,156-$1,307,812 Third-round pick
    $1,307,812-$2,615,625 Second-round pick
    $2,615,625-$3,923,437 First- and third-round picks
    $3,923,437-$5,231,249 First-, second and third-round picks
    $5,231,249-$6,539,062 Two first-rounders, a second-round pick and a third-round pick.
    $6,539,062 or more Four first-round picks

  532. Dennis says:

    Canadiens should try a little psychology with Andrei Kostitsyn. Make him an assistant captain, even though he doesn’t deserve it, and maybe he’ll feel so good about himself he’ll set the league on fire. http://dennis-kane.com/give-andrei-a-letter/

  533. aemarchand11 says:

    Give him a K, maybe he wont realize that it means nothing! haha

  534. Puck Bard says:

    Ugh! Don’t like that idea. Besides, I’m sure they’ve tried oodles of headshrinking with AK.

  535. andrewberkshire says:

    This site would implode if a Kostitsyn got a letter, and for that reason I hope it happens.

  536. KenD29 says:

    Some Smirnoff and Caviar, he’ll be fine!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  537. SeriousFan09 says:

    They gave him the best psychological help they could when they exiled his problem brother to Nashville.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  538. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I think the departure of his brother and the fact that he is in a contract year should be enough to get him going.  Although his pre-game pep talks would be a sight to behold!  This interview surely fired me up!! haha



    He sounds as eloquent as Phaneuf.

  539. krob1000 says:


    Dana White breaks new ground…bans those damn vuvuzela’s…atta boy Dana!

  540. Mr-T says:

    Check July 01 forum

  541. camel_larry says:

    Do it boone!

    lol, either that or hire Ian Cobb to be a permanent moderator. That’d fix things up.


    Habs Go!

  542. ooder says:

    Boone and HIO guys, can you please please implement a syste like youtube or digg

    where bad/annoying comments get dugg down or voted down and pushed down.

    this will prevent stupid constant drivel to be posted on this site.

    only people logged in can vote and one vote per user (as per HH).


    88 is the new 23

  543. Storm Man says:

    That could work the only thing I see wrong with that is how to stop the people who are in Click’s voting on posts. I know you said only one vote per user, But if your click has 15 people it in what do you do?

  544. KenD29 says:

    Bang on with Lapierre!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  545. ZepFan2 says:



    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  546. Propwash says:

    I’ve said it before….The anonymity of the internet can bring out the a-hole in some people. 

    Personal attacks should be taken with a grain of salt, these people don’t know you, or where you live, ect ect. They just have nothing better to do than slag people on the internet, my guess is they wouldn’t talk smack to one’s face.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  547. ooder says:

    actually there was this one guy wo found picture of another poster on flicker and posted them here in order to “reveal” him

    personally i found that very disturbing


    88 is the new 23

  548. smiler2729 says:

    June 30, 2010 – Habs Inside/Out Troll Recognition Day marks the one year anniversary of the Scott Gomez (Tom Pyatt too) trade.

    I gotta say one year later and with the season and playoff the Habs had, I really like this team going forward, it’s found its identity and the dirty laundry getting thrown out is a step toward PEACE ON EARTH.

    Yes, that’s how important this all is to us… there ain’t no cure for the summertime blues G-C-G-D.


  549. Mr_MacDougall says:

    “You can’t use the car ‘cuz you didn’t work a lick”

  550. Puck Bard says:

    Ya, it was hard watching how slow he’d become last season given all he had done during their Cup run.

  551. smiler2729 says:

    Gotta love the Entwistle version eh.

  552. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I am partial to the Alan Jackson version at the moment (seeing him in August in Halifax)

    Also Brian Setzer’s version from the movie Labamba..

    Some songs are so good I like them regardless who performs it..

  553. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Entwistle is a great version though.. def helps aid beer consumption on a friday after work haha

  554. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, it’s a song that works in any genre. The only version I dislike is the Blue Cheer acid rock trip, the song loses its flavour.

  555. Mr_MacDougall says:

    just three chord, but they get the job done.. like the Habs 3rd line in ’93 hahaha

    haven’t heard the Blue Cheer version..

    such a nostalgic song.. reminds me of Sunday drives whith my family groing up dreaming of having a job/car etc.. not all it’s cut out to be hahaha

  556. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, it’s a timeless feeling in that tune.

  557. ZepFan2 says:

    Here you go, enjoy lol…

    Summertime Blues-Blue Cheer

    Grooooovy baby.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  558. K-hab25 says:

    With me being a stat junkie, Chris’s departure is a real sad day for me. When I first discovered this site over 3 years ago, right away Chris became one of my favorite posters. He always used facts to back up his opinions. Never lowered himself to call people names and always handle himself with class. So long friend, hope you come back someday.

  559. 4loorplay says:






  560. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Here’s a hypothetical: we move Hamrlik to ANH (as one of the other posters suggested, despite his hefty contract, they need to reach the “cap-floor” and are weak on the back end) despite his hefty contract.

    Where would you allocate his money?

    1) signing a couple bottom 6 Fwd?

    2) signing a D-Man (Sutton)

    3) signing one top 6 fwd?

  561. Jbird says:

    Sign my guy Moore (1) and a respectable D-man (2) who does not get paid 5.5 mill.  

  562. gauver says:

    I believe that our primary need is two solid top-six forwards.  If we consider the perennial need for a large, skilled centre, then we need three top-six forwards.

  563. longtimehabsfan says:

    Nice analysis by Robert L.  Means that Habs will not be buyers on July 1.  No cap space.

  564. Mr-T says:

    Lets not get to overwhelmed by this trade just yet. After the Halak fiasco for those two “prospects” who are they again any trade that Gauthier makes would look good especially if it involves S.K. a guy who is not on everyones christmas list. This deal is S.K. for Boyd and the exclusive negotiating rights to Ellis until July 01. Do not start patting Gauthier on the back prematurely here for what one might think is a one sided deal and a job well done. Gauthier is not capable of outwitting his colleagues although he can still out-smart a eight year kid for his candy. Ellis is not the second coming of Halak and there is a caveat in this transaction that being should the Habs sign both players and S.K. exits stage left to the KHL then according to an insider in Nashville the team receives a 1st round pick or if all three players are signed Nashville gets a  2nd or 3rd round conditional pick. So it may be prudent to wait and see what transpires here before you start jumping on the bandwagon. One other note if Price is smart and I think he is than he should listen to any other possible offers out there and I do not submit to the consensus of some people  that this would hurt his bargaining position with the Canadians because the reality and he is very aware of it is that his future is at that deciding point and that may not be in Montreal.

  565. TomNickle says:

    Not to jump all over you here but some facts would’ve been nice in that post.

    TSN reported the considerations were 5th round picks each way based on who signs, not 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks.

    We have no idea what negotiations with Price are like right now.  We have no idea what Ellis is or isn’t capable of and we have absolutely no clue what teams, if any, are willing to sign Price to an offer sheet.

    Why would a team give up high round draft choices for a goalie in a rich goalie market where guys like Nabakov, Ellis, Turco, Mason and others are available without having to surrender draft choices?

    Halak fiasco?  I’m sorry but I find that kind of funny.  We got one blue chip prospect back and a another young player who fills a need we currently have and are going to have.  We bought low in selecting Halak in the 9th round and sold high when he isn’t likely to repeat his performance.

  566. K-hab25 says:

    “Ellis isn’t the second coming of Halak” Can I ask you a question, what the heck has Halak accomplished that makes you think he’s any better than Ellis. Halak this year was 26-13-5, GAA 2.40, SV% .924. Ellis 2 years ago was 23-10-3, GAA 2.34, SV% .924. Career wise Halak’s GAA is 2.66, SV% .919 and Ellis has a GAA 2.62, SV% .912. I think he’s shown he can be every bit as good as Halak. You people act like there aren’t 3 or 4 new guys every year that do what Halak did this year, it’s ridiculous.

  567. HardHabits says:

    How does one vote minus on this thing?

  568. arcosenate says:

    Jersey just signed Clarkson to quite a bit of money in my opinion:


  569. JIMVINNY says:

    Seems like a TON of money for a grinder/third line type of guy. 

  570. Mike from Ktown says:

    Ellis trying to tweet in french, is this a good sign? 

  571. Storm Man says:

    I think it is a very good thing that Ellis is showing respect by trying to tweet in french. :)

  572. Jbird says:

    If you’re going for a sign that he wants to be in Montreal than yes, it is a good sign.  As bugs pointed out yesterday if you do not want someone  to do a hack job of the French language it’s a very bad sign indeed.

  573. Mr_MacDougall says:

    there is a mahjor Frolov suppoerter in here.. that scares me… I was just day dreaming and remembered my brother (huge Habs fan) told me that next years UFA market is amazing.

    Maybe we keep Hamrlik, proves we are a loyal team… gives us time to evaluate PK Subban, if we like what we see, he HAS Hamrlik’s spot. Then we have the cash available next year to get a left winger (which we need, Pouliot/.AK are not exactly a lethal 1-2 punch)… Simon Gagne???  Also, this is AK 46 last year to prove he is the 30-35 goal man he has the skills to become.

  574. Storm Man says:

    I dont think anyone has talked about going after Andy Sutton, He could be a nice pick-up.

  575. smiler2729 says:

    He’s too slow, he’s like a poor man’s version of Ryan O’Byrne except add in the word “lunkhead”.

  576. Storm Man says:

    True on the too slow, But we are a poor man’s team with what cap room we have to play with this year. Next year we got 18-20 mil to play with.

  577. Mr-T says:

    Check July 01 forum

  578. gauver says:

    good post.  you saved me the trouble of researching Ellis’ career stats to compare to Halak’s.

  579. smiler2729 says:

    No kidding. But let’s let the Halak thing go, he’s gone, end of story. Good move picking up some promising prospects for him from STL.

  580. Chorske says:

    holy camoli, that team is snakebit.

  581. cautiousoptimist says:

    Gonchar made the same money as Hamrlik last year — if we can sign him for, say, $1M more, and deal Hamrlik for a prospect, Gauthier hits a homerun: essentially Gonchar and a prospect for Hamrlik.

    That would probably mean dealing Spacek, who I’d be sorry to see go, to free up a bit of cap space, but it would be worth it to have what might be the top PP blueline pairing in the league with Markov.

    This move makes particular sense as there’s no way any of Martin’s 7 current D-men spend the season as benchwarmers.  O’Byrne’s development would be stunted in the pressbox, Gill wears an “A,” and the rest are no-brainers to start every game.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  582. TomNickle says:

    Can’t trade Spacek.

    Can’t trade Spacek, Moen, Cammalleri, Gionta or Gill.  Can’t trade players that you’ve just signed, no free agents will sign with you in the future.

    Next off-season we can talk, but even then Spacek is a 35+ contract so if he retires prior to the last year of the deal the team he’s under contract with is stuck paying him whether he plays or not.



  583. HardHabits says:

    For the life of me I can’t imagine or figure out who in their right or obviously wrong mind would even consider sending Chris an email with nothing but praise for his writings. Who are(is) these(this) douche(s)?

    It boggles my mind. I decided to check the email that I use for my HIO account to see if I fell victim to the same and lo and behold I only found praise for my comments?!?!?!?! WTF!!!! Chris get’s attacked and HH get’s flowers and cards!!! I just don’t get it?!!?! Maybe Chris should trying being a prick sometimes and rather than be so nice and squishy tell somebody to go f*ck themselves once in a while or get into a scrap with a troll now and again.

    Upside down world this is.

    I like the idea of voting on posts. One vote per signed in member. When a posts hits something like -25 it gets buried at the bottom of the thread. +25 and it gets moved up. That might render many of my politically incorrect but nevertheless hilarious and astute comments to the nether regions of a thread but at least 25 people would have been influenced and corrupted by none other than your friendly neighbourhood HH!!!!

    Free Timo!! Bring back Chris!!!! Pay HH’s ransom!!!!

  584. Puck Bard says:

    ugh… again with the double!

  585. Puck Bard says:

    Nice try HH in joining the brotherhood of the damned, but I’m still gonna get booted before you.

  586. TomNickle says:

    Your positivity has warmed me up to you a bit.

    Twilight zone, cue the music!

  587. SeriousFan09 says:

    I still can’t believe people email bomb others over comments made on this site. I’ve now clocked a year on here and I’ve never had anyone so upset with me they resorted to that and I would say I’ve managed to at various points, enrage a number of people in the Commentariat.

    What could Chris have possibly said that upset some troll so badly he had to resort to E-stalking?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  588. arcosenate says:

    WAY too much, he’s a useful player but that’s over the top.

  589. smiler2729 says:

    I see David Clarkson being able to score 25-30 goals and becoming a real Hartnell pain-in-the-rear type if New Jersey plays a different style of game but let him do it before paying him that kind of scratch.

  590. ooder says:

    i thought of that as well but i figured people are mature enough not to vote down every single post they disagree with.

    there is a difference between posts i disgaree with and constant personal attacks

    plus with an avatar like that  u have nothing to worry about


    88 is the new 23

  591. Storm Man says:

    She is the new ref :)

  592. HardHabits says:

    Funny. I almost wrote something like, “PB you’re not trying hard enough!!!!”

  593. Jbird says:

    For sure – just checked his account and this one is my favorite tweet: Ps. Trade to mecca= phone blowing up.

  594. subdoxastic says:

    It’s now confirmed:


    Tony is more than a little Wobbly!

  595. smiler2729 says:

    “Pour me a double ‘cuz I’m single again”… Bob Segarini, 1999

  596. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah, no kidding – just ignore.

  597. ZepFan2 says:

    Nah, he’s still on a Halak downer. Give it some time.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  598. cautiousoptimist says:

    I dunno, it’s been a full year — had he just signed a few months ago I’d agree, but hardly anyone is untouchable with the cap.  And I don’t think he’d actually get paid if he retired — it’s just that his salary would continue to count against the cap.  Otherwise he’d retire for sure (I know I would!).

    Another cheaper option might be Foster from TB, but not too many defencemen hold a candle to Gonchar.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  599. BJ says:

    I’d like to see Spacek play his normal left side, just to see if last season was age or adjustment. I was expecting more from him.

  600. K-hab25 says:

    HH has always suffered from dual personalities. He reminds me of Yeats, at times he’s awesome and other times down right annoying. Don’t get me wrong Yeats is definitely one of my fav’s, I’m just saying, like HH, he seems to have dual personalities. :-)

  601. HardHabits says:

    Thanks! I think? ;-) I admit I have contrasting styles if you will.

    Yeats on the other hand has multiple personalities!

  602. HabFab says:

    Sorry but for the sake of accurrancy. HH is a dual personality while BJ is a multi personalities. Just a clinical observation.

  603. HabFab says:


    HardHabits or Harda**… ;)

    No Tanks!!


  604. 24 Cups says:
    The rumour mill (according to Pierre Lebrun) is stating that Dan Hamhuis would like to return to Canada to play which means that Vancouver and Ottawa might be in the mi


    It appears that Modano is quite serious about coming back for another year.  Is this a case of another NHLer who just doesn’t know when to hang them up?  Is there no Yzerman role for Mike in Dallas?  Will Joe take heat for this move or is it a necessary ‘Koivu like’ move that is necessary to take the team in a new direction?

    Modano will probably want to join a serious Cup contender as it certainly won’t be about the coin.  That leaves the Habs out but you have to wonder if Washington is in the mix.


    How the mighty have fallen.  Washed up at the age of 30.  Looking back, Ottawa fans must be totally pissed at the Heatley trade.


  605. petrov14 says:

    Ottawa Should have sat Heatley untill he accepted his trade to EDM, in an olympic year we would have caved. And if he didnt and sat all year, Ottawa wouldnt have been any worse off.

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  606. 24 Cups says:

    Robert L’s post is a good piece.  I’ll be ticked big time if we give any picks up in compensation for signing either Boyd or Ellis.  Both these guys are marginal NHLers who are a dime a dozen (I don’t mean for that to sound as cruel as it does).  I find these moves are much ado about nothing but gain headline status because most Hab fans are hard line junkies (pass the pipe, please).  We’re filling in holes, nothing more, nothing less (I’m fixing a hole where the rain comes in…)

    When calculating cap space, fans must always remember to leave some wiggle room (I would say around a million) for emergencies.  We don’t want to become the Flames of two years ago.

    A few of us having been stating that the team is basically set and it appears that J.T. agrees.  I get the feeling that July 1st could be very boring for Montreal followers. 



  607. HabFanSince72 says:

    Is anyone else bored by the whole cap space issue? First, it’s geeky. Second the cap serves to help the poor teams, which means, in a zero sum game, that it hurts us.

  608. 24 Cups says:

    H – Like it or not, the cap is what it’s all about these days.  It’s not geeky but rather a good dose of reality and what the lockout really came down to in the end.  Speaking of reality, the new CBA (and it’s salary cap) really hasn’t helped the small market teams.  The only Cup winning team that hasn’t spent up to the cap is Carolina.  There was a detailed study done on this topic but I no longer have it.  I would say it’s pretty well impossible to contend for the Cup unless you are at or near the cap max.

  609. Puck Bard says:

    On Chris’ departure:

    I think this is a particularly bad time to make that judgement. The fans are bored, and the comments have been a little snarky of late (and I’m not thinking of anyone in particular; stand down). I  chock that up to the withdrawal of post season menopause. 

    Chris should take a break, come back when he has something to say, when the mood changes.

    I for one have never received unpleasant emails from fellow HIO posters, so perhaps think about what your posting, and not being so provocative?  Write challenging hockey-talk? Sure. Just don’t make it personal. 

    I don’t know, from what I read from Chris he was always a perfect gentleman. 

  610. smiler2729 says:

    I don’t think it’s “post season menopause”, this kind of crap started with the whole stupid polarizing goalie debate. Further made unbearable by Halak’s predictable trade to St. Loo.

  611. smiler2729 says:

    Come on Chris, reconsider. Yes, it is extremely maddening to read the drivel upon drivel written here by some and it does seem their points of “view” do seem to dominate the pages because they are posted ad nauseum, don’t forget the H I/O posters who do watch more than the visual game and look beyond the stagnant stats.

    Some here have excellent opinions and views that are worth discussing or debating and they can do it without the constant negativity and low brow insults and name calling. A lot of these posters also have ceased posting. I know I’ve been told not to engage with the “trolls” but it gets so maddening seeing the immature slagging of Gainey (still!), Gauthier, Gomez and especially Price (watch, now I’ll get called a “Pricebot”, a “Price apologist” or something equally as stupid and thoughtless just for mentioning his name) that I just have to defend and/or help these imbeciles see the error of their ways.

    Not all the “trolls” are one dimensional, some actually add more than a five word sentence and have thought out their vitriol but nonetheless, it always includes a putdown of the team’s “whipping boys” and those like me who support them.

    Chris, please reconsider because the more comments that come from the thoughtful, insightful posters here, the more we can maybe squeeze out the idiocy. Maybe if all the posters who have made conscious decisions to stay away start posting, the good can cancel out the bad.

    If not, this will just continue to descend into a match of the babybrain witted name-calling and although the constant “hits” make the Habs I/O management happy, this is NOT what this place was designed for.

    When I half tongue-in-cheek asked Boone, Stubbs et al to “Timo” certain posters on a previous thread, one reply was for them to add a separate thread for those that Hate The Habs so that those that Love The Habs could be free from the juvenile B.S., that doesn’t sound like a bad idea but near impossible to control but at least there is a growing feeling here that something has to be done.


  612. TomNickle says:

    Which Chris are we talking about here?  What did I miss?

  613. 24 Cups says:

    smiler – The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our trolls, but in ourselves.

    99% of H I/O posters couldn’t tie up Chris’ skates and that’s meant to be a compliment to him and not a diss against the rest of us. 

    A year ago today we came to this site to learn that Montreal had just traded for Gomez.  Coincidence?  I think not.

  614. The Cat says:

    I think one of the things is that people got to stop is with the troll business. Some posters who are considered ‘good guys’ offer nothing except labeling trolls. I mean when posts start with: “I hope tony242 doesnt come and ruin this thread etc” Its bait for an internet fight.

  615. Puck Bard says:

    Good point Danby… People have been crabby ever since.

  616. 24 Cups says:

    Show me the money.  Here’s a look at who’s got the coin to spend  tomorrow with players under contract in parentheses.

    Los Angeles – 17.5M (16).  Kovalchuk is the man (Is the KHL in the mix for Kovy and Frolov?) but this team needs to do a little backward mapping when it comes to budget forecasts.

    St. Louis – 32M (12).  Desperate to make the playoffs after doing a total rebuild.  Still must sign RFAs such as Halak and Johnson.

    Islanders – 32M (17).  Still an expansion team after all these years. 

    Anaheim – 21M (19).  How do you do a quick roster transition without landing in the NHL basement?  Look no further than the Ducks and the Avs. 

    Nashville – 21M (17).  If they do a re-make of the movie Scrooge, it surely be filmed in Nashville.  If Barry Trotz spoke French I’d give him Gomez’s contract to run the bench. 

    Toronto – 12M (18).  The antithesis  of Anaheim and Colorado.  Hard to put a price on patience.

  617. TomNickle says:

    I like the work but I don’t think you’ll find the Isles and Predators spending a lot of money.  Both have tight fisted owners who’ve put their teams on strict budgets around $45 million.

    On the Avalanche, I don’t believe they got Matt Duchesne with the 25th pick, they did finish in the bottom 3 to get him right?


  618. Puck Bard says:

    Thanks, was looking for this. Ya, I say look for St. Louis and LA to make big moves, with T.O. as a wild card (you can always count on Burke for some splash).

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