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• L.A.? Nyet!
• Two teams still in the hunt
• Elliotte Friedman’s take
• The lessons of this year’s market
• Souray clears waivers
• Brian Burke keeps his promise
That was a really good one. The main thing I got from that, don’t score on your own team in the big game. Yikes!
Just watched, Magic and Bird. Another excellent doc.
“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
– Sam Pollock
Doesnt look like aging defenseman (Souray cleared waivers) have alot of value right now, I don’t see anyone taking him. Though if the Habs throw in a prospect or pick someone might take him…
why wow? means gio is popular while poo poo isnt? lol
Was that not a great story or what?
I’m not sure if the Jack in my system influenced the weight of the story or not. But I will watch it again tonight without any substances in me just to make sure.
I’m positive it will still be crazy.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I’m afraid everyone overpays for so-called professional talent these days. What’s a few mil here or there, right?
Aside from Marleau (who’s making a mint), I’d take Plekanec over any of those guys for Pleks’s $5M. His production and tendency to stay healthy make him a really valuable commodity, and I find we tend to undervalue our own players while overvaluing guys on other teams — sort of a “grass is always greener” complex. Pleks is worth every penny, and I’m thrilled to have him at that price.
Just an observation:
I’m at Dorval Airport yesterday (yup, I still call it that), going back to Vancouver and I wanted to pick up a Gio T-Shirt at that Habs store. Well, they didn’t have any. What they did have was three racks of Pouliot shirts. Wow.
I saw that as well – chilling stuff.
hmm AK or Zherdev… Zherdev! Equally young and enigmatic, but more speed and consistency (not by much)
OK, OK, OK….
Enough talk about the greater Kovy, how we can trade Hamrlik even though nobody wants him, how we can trade for Gagne (who’s made of glass), blah blah blah…..
I’m here to tell you guys how to spend about 2 hours of your life watching one of the best sport/political films I have ever seen. Friday night I was buzzing on half a bottle of Gentlemen’s Jack, when I tuned in to TSN at midnight. What I found was another one of the usually great “ESPN Films”, this one however about Pablo Escobar and his influence on Columbian soccer. Now just to let you all know, soccer doesn’t really fizz me. I prefer many sports over it, and I’ll only watch the World Cup because I feel it is somewhat of a human obligation; the same way we find ourselves sometimes watching water-polo or cross-country skiing in the Olympics.
But for those 2 hours on Friday night/Saturday morning, I found myself litterally glued to the flat-screen. First of all, ESPN is the mecca of television sports coverage. They find the best and most entertaining ways to make every story a great story. And trust me when I say this, they nailed this one. Escobar is known for his involvement in the drug trade, but his passion for the sport of soccer was insane.
I don’t know how else to explain it, but trust me when I say you have to watch this film. I’m sure you can find it on Youtube. Just find it and watch it, lol…
ps- I saw the Reggie Miller “ESPN Films” documentary a few months ago and it was also good.
OK, performance bonus: Score 50 and get free pickles!
Speaking as a student of history, an advocate of liberty and democracy, and a supporter of Israel, I am deeply offended by your original comment. Your follow-ups were offensive on a personal level. Your insincere, backhanded apology is contemptible – you can keep it.
Scotty Bowman said it best: “Don’t trade Carey Price.”
i want only 1 enigma, so if we sign him, Kosty has to go…
We may have overpaid for him but we needed to. He has great chemistry with cammy and ak46 and he is a tremendous 2 way forward. plus a fan favorite, it was something that PG needed to do. he is also much, much, better than any of those players except marleau. people love olli jokinen for some reason, fact of the matter is that he sucks and has only succeeded when he was the top dog in the dressing room on the ice (florida). everywhere else, phoenix (doan). calgary (iggy), and NYR (lundy/gaborik) he has been awful.
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i rather nikita filatov…zherdev’s an enigma much like andrei kostitsyn…i would even take maxim afinogenov ahead of zherdev.
C- Scott GOMEZ = 7.357143C- Mike CAMMALLERI = 6.0C- Tomas PLEKANEC = 5.0C- Lars ELLER = 1.270833C- Ben MAXWELL = 0.850C- Dustin BOYD = 0.650C- Tom PYATT = 0.500RW- Brian GIONTA = 5.0RW- Ryan WHITE = 0.850LW- Andrei KOSTITSYN = 3.250LW- Travis MOEN = 1.500LW- Benoit POULIOT = 1.375LW- Max PACIORETTY = 0.875D- Andrei MARKOV = 5.750D- Roman HAMRLIK = 5.500D- Jaroslav SPACEK = 3.833D- Hal GILL = 2.250D- Josh GORGES = 1.100D- Ryan O’BYRNE = 0.942D- P.K. SUBBAN = 0.875D- Yannick WEBER = 0.875G- Alex AULD = 1.0
BUYOUT: Georges LARAQUE = 0.500
TOTAL = 57.102976
CAMMALLERI – PLEKANEC – KOSTITSYNPOULIOT – GOMEZ – GIONTAPACIORETTY – ELLER – PYATTMOEN – BOYD – WHITE
MARKOV – O’BYRNEHAMRLIK – SUBBANSPACEK – GORGES
GILL – WEBER
By Jamie Fitzpatrick
Summer of the Pay Cut
Zherdev is looking to come back to the NHL. Should we go after him? He was the #4 pick in 2004, scored 20+ goals in his last season in the NHL.
just noticed this..Arron Asham is a UFA! Sign him Gauthier, this is the type of player we need!
1.5 over 2 years….750k cap hit….
so with some UFA signings already done…how is plekanec’s 5million/yr contract looking?
matt lombardi: 3.5/yrjokinen: 3/yrmatt cullen: 3.5/yrmarleau: 6.9/yrKoivu: 2.5/yrwhitney: 3/yrarmstrong 3/yrprospal: 2.1/yr
would plekanec really have commanded 5/yr in the market or did we over pay before we saw what people were paying?
i think plekanec has a bit more to offer than the players listed above so his contract seems alright since most of the players who signed are old.
i’m still waiting for the satori…I’ll let you know when it hits.
“Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot
ya.. that too… who’d take him? Philly’s jaked on D now..
I wouldn’t keep Hammer either but Souray is done… great guy but the injuries kill chemistry… go with O’byrne no?
Yo, Calgary Flames, everything comes in threes….do you want Hamrlik back?
Agree and I think that trading Hammer will be next to impossible at his rate. Maybe at the deadline but not now.
great article about Burke…
Souray is but a shadow of his former self. Too many injuries. He was a favourite of mine, but I wouldn’d take him back now.
The possibilities endless yet realistic (tell me that does not look sexy!)
I agree, Hammer should be moved. He’s getting a salary that reflects an offensive ability that we haven’t seen from him in years. Like Gomer his salary is grossly inflated from his point production, and you can’t afford to be sentimental when running a team in a salary cap reality.
If I were habs GM…
Trade Harmlik for anything at this point (a 4th rounder would do) *- 5.5mil
Trade A. Tits to Philly with a 2nd round for Asham and Gagne +4mil
Pick up Souray on reentry waivers +2.5mil (our power play would be deadly…)
Line 1) Gagne – Gomez – Gionta
Line 2) Pouliot – Pleks – Cammy
Line 3) Asham – Eller – Lapierre
Line 4) Moen – Boyd – Pyatt
Line 1 D) Markov – Subban
Line 2 D) Spakec – Souray
Line 3 D) Gill – Georges
If you are truly offended, than my apologies, and I retract my tongue-in-cheek statement. If – as I believe – you are just being a d**k, then I retract my apology.
Apologies, mate..had a rough day, and it went over my head.
Trade Hamrlik and A. Kostitsyn then we can sign Kovalchuk to a 8 years 8
mil per contract
Sorry, in #2, by bigger deal I meant maybe he could actually get his $10 million with a lights-out performance on a one-year deal. Outside of desperate teams, no one is ponying up $10million/season for him.
Sorry, I have been under the assumption since last season that Hammer would not be with us at the beginning of this season if at all possible……I would be moving him for the sake of moving him. I like Hammer but at 5.25 million bucks I like Simon Gagne far more than I like Hammer at 5.5. I think Subban is going to be a big boost to our D, Spacek is the same player as Hammer, Markov will be back, Gorges and OB an extra year, we already have another dinosaur in Hal Gill whose leadership is obviously overiding his dkills as he wears a letter so I see Hammer as the odd man out…..with that space I would target a sure fire 20 goal guy with potential for more for our top six. Gagne is just too versatile and responsible to not consider IMO. Fragility aside he is the ultimate fit IMO for a third part to the Gomez line…that is a tough line to play on and it seems like a very difficult chore to find someone who will fit there…I think Gagne would…perfectly.
(pickles cost extra)
Not according to post’s below: apparently we can double the price and nab Kovalchuk! Lol.
We don’t have the cap space to take him on.
Yeah, but 4.5 mil after Quebec tax works out to what – lunch at Schwartz’s?
Calm down, Clay.
Like you, I was kidding around. I guess ONLY you are allowed that privilege, eh.
You REALLY need to lighten up. That, or get laid!
This has nothing to do with Carey Price. It has to do with you making a very offensive post that tried to make a linkage between the moderators of this forum and Nazis.
I know you think you’re being clever and all of that by trying to say this has something to do with Carey Price because I am a Carey Price fan. However, you’re not.
On Simon Gagne…..I know of his injury history…but history is just that….look how many games Gaborik played, HAvalt,etc. All of the guys we traded for were supposed to be durable based on their history yet they all missed significant time,etc. Gagne’s cap hit is 5.25…..heavy but for one season….cold we keep him after that? who knows but would I love to have him this season? Absolutely I would. Gagne would be the perfect fit for our top six….he would be fast enough and smart enough to play with Gio and Gomez and/or could play with Pleks and Cammi. I can’t really think of too many guys who are smart enough, skilled enough, can play PK and be a threat, defensive enough, has the heart and will to go to dirty areas, etc who would have the versatility Gagne would and would fit our system. Hossa would work, Gagne would work…as wingers and with our system and personnel…he is the perfect fit. There is a big rik with injury but that is always the case ….. if we could move Hammer and take on Gagne I would instantly consider us complete enough to begin the season and elevate expectations….that would be one tough team to play against.
The Price is always the issue and I wouldn’t pay much at all for Gagne given there is only one year on his deal and the likelihood of him bolting after is pretty high ….but I would love to take a chance on him for this season. After all it is essentially a salary dump for Philly and they likely can;t take any real salary on. That would make us three lines deep with a fourth that could be scarfy too. If one of the wildcards at camp this year (AVTSIN, ENQVIST,etc) were to make the team, one of AK or POuliot has a decent season, one of PAcioretty or Eller has a 15 goal season…..yikes…..we are all of the sudden deep, fast, skilled, and I would argue in pretty good shape. We would still need to likely shore up the d at he dealine with a veteran for the playoffs but…I would be pretty confident heading into the playoffs with a lineup of : GIO_GOMEZ-GAGNE, PLEKS-CAMMI-AK, LAps-Moen-BOYD, Eller-Pouliot-Pyatt……and two of Darche, White, Enqvist, Avtstin to fill out the forwards.
He can’t get a bigger contract than $10M/yr.
My ancestors came to Quebec City in 1671. Habs was French, Maroons were the English team. But when Quebec City got its franchise in 1972 it coincided nicely with the political transformation of the province; many Quebecois switched allegiance to the Nordiques (especially young French rebelling versus family / tradition).
There has been a long blackout for Quebecois and hockey in the last 20 years. You talk to a lot of the young French and they really don’t give a crap about Habs or hockey (they prefer skiing and Formula 1).
I agree that a second franchise would indirectly give the Habs a great shot-in-the-arm.
They’ll never come for you, Bugs – you’re a special case.
Maybe, just maybe, this guy Ilya is waitin for the Habs to call’m? Ever thought about that?
Maybe these crazy monetary demands are a FOIL to turn other teams off until he gets an offer from the Habs.
4.5 mil a year for 5 years is all he wants but he wants it in Bleu-Blanc-Rouge money. Easy.
Give his agent a call, ferpetessakes!
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
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Hey, I resent that. I’m still here!
You forgot 4) Or go back to Russia.
As long as they don’t come for me, everything’ll be juuuust fine.
We’ll carry on and be the better for it.
There is no player not named Crosby who could help the Habs more than Quebec getting a hockey team. When the Nordiques left….the spotlight was thrust entirely on the Habs and it has been brutal since …to make it that much worse the Habs traded Roy to the old Nrodiques franchise and he won a cup….yikes. I am not a francophone and do not fully understand the finer details of the the language issues,etc…but from what I have gathered from the froncophones that I know,etc….. Montreal was always considered a bilingual town much like Ottawa but heavier on the French as Ottawa is heavier on the English..Quebec City was French like a town like Hamilton is English. I think that the Nordiques were the team that represented the predominantly French fan base….I think the Habs while still holding onto the fans that they had won over time were a team that the bulk of English Quebecers rooted for as they were more likely to live in Montreal and Montreal had a strong fan base outside of Quebec.
I am not stating this as fact as folks on here will know better than I but this is how it has been explained to me by those I have known who have lived in both Quebec and Montreal and other areas in La Belle Province. Then when the Expos left the Habs became the only show in the province and that intensified things even more ….then just to add insult to injury along came the communications age and the expedited delivery of all news via internet,etc…..essentially the perfect storm to make it all but impossible for a Montreal Canadien to take a dump without everyone knowing it.
I would sign Kovalchuk simply to trade him to a new franchise in Quebec for the pressure relief..screw the cap in that case…I would pay a sixth of the cap just to move us from the microscpe ( HIO excluded of course)
I just read where Kovy is seeking $10M a year for 10 years. That’s why the Kings are giving up on signing him.
Kovalchuk basically has 3 options:
1- Take his $100 Million dollar long-term contract with a bottom-dweller.
2-Take a one year deal with a contender like Marian Hossa did to prove his worth in hopes of getting a bigger deal
3- Taking a long-term front loaded deal with a lower cap with a contender like Marian Hossa did.
I am fairly positive that by the time kovalchuk signs, his deal isnt going to be for $100million or more (unless its a 15 year deal).
haven’t you noticed the relative lack of extreme idiocy the past day or 2?
Go Habs Go!
was just visiting your web site; is the business active?
I’m thinking of writing a screenplay in your honour called “When Pricebots Attack”, or some such thing. Can I count on you to play a supporting role (the lead belong elsewhere)?
I’m curious – what did Scotty say about Halak?
Illiteracy is a tragedy…did you miss the bottom line, or were you just unable to read it??
A rumor is going around that Peladeau’s group has made a bid for the Atlanta Thrashers for a Quebec City transfer.
Tony242 is deep sixed now too?
You do realize that paraphrasing Martin Niemoller’s poem about the Nazis’ systematic stripping of human rights group-by-group in Germany is a pretty good way to draw comparisons, do you not?
Crying over Tony, are we.
Jesus man – lighten up. What’s your problem? You have truly turned over to the dark side. Who is comparing anyone to Nazi’s? Well, I guess Boone compared Philly to them a while back.
thanks Natrous – appreciate your explanation – I know the ship has sailed.
should be interesting to see what Price and Halak actually end up signing for.
I’ve read 1.5 million for Price and 4 million for Halak on this site a few times.
I’ve also read 3 million for Price and 5 million for Halak.
PK is listed as my favorite current Hab as well – very excited to see what he can do next year.
I won’t miss a shift!!
It’s not easy to talk contract with a young, defensive-first dman like Stall (despite the fact that he put up more than a handful of goals last year), but that’s probably what’s going on there.
You don’t want to over-pay for a guy who’s more of a shut-down than a puck mover, but it seems that with Volchenkov and Komisarek, that’s the way things are going for one dimentional D.
While it was possible at one time to keep both goalies (and thus being forced to let Pleks go), that ship has clearly sailed after signing #14 long-term and dealing our more expensive goaltending option to St. Louis.
As for KovyII coming to Montreal, we can all dream – but it doesn’t make it any more realistic. There are only a few teams in the league that have the cap space and payroll to pull off a signing that big, and the Habs are clearly the cap space half of that equation.
Comparing the HIO mods to the Nazis is a bit of a stretch, maybe, no?
Repost for HH…
“THEY CAME FIRST for the Leaf’s fans,
and I didn’t speak up because, well, we all hate the leafs..
THEN THEY CAME for the Trolls,
and I didn’t speak up because trolls piss me off.
THEN THEY CAME for the Timo and Tony,
and I didn’t speak up because I didn’t share their opinions.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
Not woried about getting banned, HH, just my idea of a joke (kind of like Price as the number one goalie).
Marc Staal is an excellent defenceman – I would take him in a freakin second – actually I like all the Staals, can’t go wrong when you have a Staal on your side. !
fine. I accept the fantasy excuse.
It’s a 5th of July dream. Lighten up, the puck doesn’t drop until October.
Sather is screwing Marc Staal around the way he screwed Brandon Dubinsky last year:
it doesn’t seem like a good long-term strategy.
Common Ed, it’s fantasy that we could move Hamr, Spacak and AK, just like Habs acquiring Kova is a joke.
I agree. Staal is so much more a player than Kovalchuk. Leader, teamplayer… a franchise at $8 million a year. And a cup winner!
when some us were claiming that the Habs should be keeping both goalies, we were ridiculed here day after day.
“there’s no room – haven’t you ever heard of the Cap – that’s why we have to let go one of our goalies – its
all about the cap…….”
now, there’s a rumour out that Kovalchuk is available, and BOOM!
we can move mountains in a minute and bring on 10 million in salary.
I say no GM should sign this guy. Does he really think he’s worth more than Crosby or Ovechkin? Or even Eric Staal? I say we never see this clown in the NHL again. Go make your big bucks in the K where you have to deal with the mafia breathing down your neck.
See ya Kovalchuk, your selfish play won’t be missed by me.
Regarding Kov: the question is simple. Does he want to be playing for a team that is about to contend or does he just want to line his pockets? For $100 mil, I don’t think any team besides the Islanders is stupid enough. Then again, if the Habs waive Hamrlik, AK, and Spacek, they may jump into the race.
Really all the habs need to do is move ak and hamrlik then they could do it. Taking into consideration the endorsement money kovalchuk could make playing in a province dying for a superstar like him(regardless of what language he speaks).
No way to make the Spacek cap hit disappear besides trade
So, a line of Gomez, Gio and Kov? Well, it’s July 5th and one can dream.
Do not put thoughts like that in my head! *dreaming*
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10 years though? So much time for one player. Especially at 10mil per. I just don’t think it’s worth it.
Hey I don’t like Burke as a gm but you have to admit that’s a nice story. Good on him for marching.
Respect for Burke…as bad of a GM as he is, and annoying at that, there is no doubt he is a man of his word. Remember the Bryzgalov (sorry if I butchered the spelling) situation? And I am sure that this was difficult for him – he strikes me as a very homophobic man…
Considering that his son who was openly gay recently died that comment is in poor taste. And you wonder why you think you’re next!
This “very homophobic man” participated in the Gay Pride parade in Toronto this weekend in memory of his son.
As intelligent as ever, Clay.
To answer your question on the previous thread re: Price, the answer is an unqualified “no”.
“Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot
i think we would be better off without kovalchuk.
Forget about him, let another team find out that this is a team game. Let them pay him big bucks to play him 35 mins a game. You can’t win a thing with that much money tied up in one trick pony. Come play offs, it is easy to shut them down.
Just ask The big :O: and Crosby!——-More Fan Summit Information
If the Habs can find someone who would take Roman Hamrlik’s cap hit, Sheldon Souray would be ideal for the Habs filling Hammer’s shoes and MAB’s.
Ilya nous vous ils… Kovalchuk is sooo overrated and overvalued.
Good for Burke but he better realize that’s the only parade he’ll ever get to march in Toronto every year. Laffs suck.
I wouldn’t do it. Souray is brittle and his D game is nowhere near Hamrlik’s. Let Subban, and eventually Weber, fill that role.
Souray is awful. That’s why there are no takers. MAB has the same shot and is $4.5mil cheaper. Souray= pylon. MAB= pylon (way cheaper)
Souray is 3 years younger and has a better shot, but that’s where all his advantages end.
Hamrlik: 1 year remaining on his 5.5M cap hit – Souray 2y @ $5.4M remaining
Hamrlik less injury prone, still able to handle the best NHL forwards and very much defensively responsible.
Kovy2 CAN be signed in Montreal…
He’s what in his late 20’s ?
Sign him to a 15 year deal, VERY much front loaded, and ending in the last 5 years at 1-2 Mill per. Creating a CAP hit of 4-5 Million…
Those years, he can stay in the NHL if he wants. OR retire from the NHL and jump to the KHL…
If he makes himself affordable…. It CAN be done.
Problem is of course, if he was to do something like this. Far more likely he goes to WSH or PIT.
If I’m gonna dream, I’m gonna go for the plausible Impossible: forget Kovalchuk and Souray, pick up Simon Gagne fro $5 mill.
NOOOOOOOO!!!!! I know the French Canadian factor is tempting, but this guy is even MORE brittle then Souray.
5 years ago ? Yeah I woulda loved him in MTL.
Not anymore, Flyers are trying to get rid of him for a good reason (they aren’t looking for a D or Goalie in return, that tells you something)
Your right Eric, the kids are starting to move on up. They have worked hard on the farm to make it. What would that say to them bringing some older guy back that bolted for the cash!
On the Brian Burke story marching in the gay parade in honour of his deceased son, I give him top marks. I never liked this bully lawyer, but I have a better feeling for the man now.
Ian, I agree that Burke showed strong character in doing that. He’s earned some respect from me.
loafs still suck though. Big time!
On the first point, we absolutely do not need Souray, that ship sailed long ago. Time for some new boats in the harbour.
Ok, ok! Forgot about the brittle factor. Just don’t bring Souray back: that day is done.
3,4,or 5 million for one trick ponies, these days are over. The Hammer is well along in age and can not go like he use to 5 or 8 years ago. But playing him properly he is still an asset. Our kids will start taking his ice time away as they mature they will replace him.
Souray, MAB, Sergie and Laraque will never again put on our colours.
I know Sheldon had an awful defensive side (pretty much a pylon) that was glaring after the lockout rules came into effect (no more clutch & grab) but his shot and the intangibles he brought (leadership, caring, sticking up for his teammates on the ice, calling out slackers) were awesome.
OK, to you and HH, who obviously missed my point, here it is. I offered respect to him for doing something that was difficult for him. Period. I also called him a man of his word. More respect. Clear now? Because I remember when his son “came out”, and him talking about how he was basically homophobic, and it was difficult to deal with.
But like on any other subject, don’t let the facts get in the way of your bias against me.
Relax a bit. I got your gist but am pointing out not what you said but the manner with which you said it. Don’t claim innocence. You could have very well said that this is probably a difficult situation for Burke as he appears to be uncomfortable with his son’s homosexuality, yet his love/loyalty/responsibility for his son trumped his own feeling on the matter. Calling him homophobic and then claiming it was to prove a point about how he had risen over his homophobia to show how much of a nice guy he is sounds more like projection to me.
You know something. You need to realize that half, no maybe 80% of what I say employs either irony, sarcasm, humour or just good nature logical conundrums to prove a point.
But for the record, no projection here. maybe – because of my distaste for the man – it’s just difficult for me to give credit to Burke, so I had to throw in a back-handed compliment…ever think of that?
Good enough for me. I was just stirring the pot.
Very true. Thx.
I like the direction the team is going, but i really gotta ask: How is it that time and time again, no matter what we do in this organization, however many 5 year plans and purging of bad seeds… We are still relying on three ultimate headcases (Pouliot / Price / Kostitsyn) to stop pucks and score goals on our top two lines?
Is it really THAT hard to find people that truly want to play in the NHL? Price may have “looked” more mature while riding the pine in the playoffs but we won’t really know where his head is at until an O’byrne givaway leads to a GWG right on someone’s stick… Will we get the classic “You killed my father” look from Price, or will he man up a bit and realize when plays like that happen you TRY TWICE AS HARD, not become twice as ornery.
Pouliot and Andrei… You played hockey your entire lives, are currently in the middle of hockey mecca, making millions… And you still can’t put in solid efforts night in and night out? What more do you guys want?
Needless to say it will be a very interesting season to watch, alas, a lot the fireworks will be between the ears instead of on the ice.
“Is it really THAT hard to find people that truly want to play in the
No, but it IS that hard to find people who want to play for MTL. Today’s NHLers are complete sissies who can’t take any pressure whatsoever.
Back in the day, most guys thrived on it. You’ll be lucky to find a handful that are willing to put up with it today.
All hail, the great Kovalchuck is to make his decision today, as per Lebrun’s twitter post.
“Yes that was Kovalchuk’s agent Jay Grossman who
just tweeted that the Russian UFA will make his decision today. Get
ready folks !”
Also, bruins in talks with Chara.
I understand what you are saying but I really don’t think that’s the case with Pooley or Andrei K… Andrei hasn’t played for another NHL club and Pouliot always had effort issues!
But as far as FA’a and such are concerned, it really troubles me that the pride of playing for the best (yes I love being a delusional fan caught in the 60’s even though i was only born in ’84) plays second fiddle to making money in a no-pressure-sun-belting-“hockey market”.
Daniel Briere left an awful taste in a lot of people’s mouths.
It’s the owners and management of sports teams that are really at fault.
Money is the root of all evil.
Throwing all that green dough to players.
If I were a player and Boivin offered me a hunk fo cash, I’d take it as well.
The joy of being a pro athlete.
Sad but true.
I’m starting to dislike pro sports and where it’s headed.
“We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “
While I may be young at the age of 22, I understand one thing..
The current pressure of playing in MTL is galaxies away from what it used to be. Today, the Montreal Canadiens don’t only have pressure to win like they used to. Today, every single member of that team has pressure to win, answer to the large media scrum correctly, be a hero to this city, live up to million dollars worth of contracts even though it’s impossible, speak french or get criticized by 65% of the population, and every MTL goaltender must duplicate Patrick Roy’s performances or else he will never last.
Argue with me all you want, but that is the truth. Not all players want to play with unfair pressure and expectations like that. We haven’t seen one goaltender since Roy have 3 years or more of solid hockey here. We haven’t had one french offensive superstar since Lafleur. We are starving for these types of player so much, that everyone who comes here is expected to become it. This pressure is put on by the majority of the “fans”, who know their hockey just about as well as I know cricket. Sadly, they represent the majority of the population.
The Habs have been and always will be my favorite team. I grew up wanting to play for them, and only them. But now as I’m older, I realize why so many want nothing to do with us. In MTL you are one of 2 things; a hero or a zero. There’s no middle ground.
It’s sad but true. For every smart/knowledgeable fan in MTL, there are 5 dummies. Those 5 dummies are the ones who clog up the phone lines every night and spew out garbage all across the talkshows.
So sad, so true.
But to me, even if the answer is greed, i can’t understand why once players ARE here (andrei/sergei/poolio etc.), with no choice but to play in the pressure cooker, they still seem like they’re not trying?
I know it’s one of the age old questions of sports psychology, but i don’t think it has to do with being in Montreal. It just bothers me that the orginization keeps having to deal with headcases year in year out… It would be one thing to have a kovalchuck type player and have to deal with his primadonna antics, but these players have not nearly produced enough to warrant such laid back attitudes.
Hey Andrei K! Try hard this year and make lots of money! Everyone’s a winner!
wow… wahhhh too much pressure. NHL players should take a look at the NFL where life stops for a football game on sunday and just about every city is a pressure cooker and contracts aren’t guaranteed.
Said this before but I’m not so sure that it’s the pressure here as much as the taxes here. Has anyone actually compared the take home pay for a player earning, say 2 million here to a player earning the same in FLA?
I hear the antichambre guys always talking about the media pressure here but to at least some extent it seems like pats on their own backs. I’m not saying that the media here isn’t tougher or the fan base isn’t more vocal but for the kind of money these guys make, you’d think they’d suck it up.
“Argue with me all you want, but that is the truth.”
Who’s arguing? I still think players are sissies who value money more than tradition or pride.
Is everyone so weak-willed that they let a bunch of nobodies dictate the way they play? Sure, the media is annoying, but it’s also the same way in Toronto and most recently, Vancouver and Calgary.
You’re being paid millions to do a job; do it.
That’s a load of bull the whole “hero or zero” thing. You are a hero if you play your heart out for this city, which is what EVERY player should be doing. You don’t have to be Ovechkin. Look at Tom Pyatt, I’ve seen some people ask why people like him on here because he has very low scoring numbers for Montreal.
The answer is simple, he gives it his all every shift and opportunity he gets.
Playing hockey at the NHL level is a privilege. Playing in front of the fans, an honor.
I’m sick and tired of excuses being made for players. They make more money most of us will ever make in 2 lifetimes and they still act like princesses. That’s unacceptable.
Mike that was a well reasoned and eloquent post and I applaud you for voicing the view point. I have posted less often recently as I find that HIO is slowly being turned into a forum for the 5 dummies that you mention in your post. But it is refreshing to still find awesome posts on this site, it is why I still come here.
Also to add to the point I think that the expansion of the NHL players a role as well. If we where professional players and could chose to play in MTL with the pressure vs Florida with the lower taxes, golf courses and you can go unnoticed in public? Many will choose the money and the anonymity. Why would they want to sit in front of the TV cameras and answer why they are in a scoring slump vs being on page 5 of the sports page…
If i were a UFA, i would sign the biggest contract out there; i wouldn’t care about the market… tradition means very little to most players, they’ll talk about it with the press to make people happy but who cares what some dude did 20-30 years ago…
Thanks alot big bear…
I’ll put you in the non-dummies category, lol.
People who aren’t sissies?
Does that mean you put people who don’t agree with you in the dummies category?
Danny is a P.O.S.
with the assumption you have a job, do you care about you’re companies history and pride yourself on it’s beginnings? most of us would bolt to another company if the dollars made sense i don’t see why it should be different for hockey players.
I do care about the reputation of the company I work for.
Not the best analogy…
I think for all of us it boils down to: Feel free to disagree with the viewpoint and present arguments to support your view, but too much then reaches the point of degeneration into name calling etc. It is actually good to have different points of view. I think we are all passionate and some people just need to realize that it is ok for someone not to share the same opinion on the way the Habs are managed / how they play / what players are our favorites…etc.
I am almost expecting the next poster to disagree with this post as well …
well, i’m sure you would turn down a 20% increase then.
You are clearly arguing with me lol….
Players arent sissies. They’re smartly managed by their agents and advisors. The tradition you speak of no longer exists.
Stop believing all the players when they come here and say, “Oh, it’s awsome to play in an organization with such tradition and history”. F-U to those guys, they have no idea what the tradition was. That’s right, WAS. There’s no current tradition in Montreal, no current NHL player is old enough to remember the 70’s and the early 1900’s and how dominant the Habs once were. It’s over 25 years that the Habs haven’t been a constant powerhouse for a long period of time. You’d have to be 35 years old or more to remember any dynasty we ever had.
It’s the same when players go to the Leafs now. They say the same crap about going to a team with so much history. Well, F-U to them too, because they Leafs history to anyone else except a 55 year old is all about deception and heartbreakers.
It’s all about PR and pleasing the “fans”. People always say, “they get paid millions to do their job; do it”. That’s completely wrong. If your boss decided one day to pay you 10 mill per year to do the exact same thing you were doing now, would you boost your production? Probably not, because he gavce you that raise based on past accomplishments.
Tom Pyatt is loved in this city by the minority. Those who know hockey appreciate him, those who don’t would trade him for Eric Belanger or Stefane Veilleux. That’s the truth.
Playing hockey at the NHL level is a privilege, but not like before. Back in the days you played in the NHL and faught for your city. Right now, it’s about business. Like it or not, that’s the way it is.
And finally, don’t hate the player, hate the game. The game is what is sick, not the players. The game (including owners, sponsorships, etc..) is what pays the players those millions. Look at Kovalchuk, he says he wants a big/crazy deal and he’s gonna get it. Someone’s gonna pull down their pants and say here, it’s all yours. Don’t blame Kovy for that, he kows he’ll get what he wants so he’d be an idiot for not asking for it.
I have a simplistic view on things; if I can afford college for my children, have ONE nice TV, ONE nice car, ONE nice house, I’m happy.
Why do you need to triple your assets? It’s useless.
No, not at all..
We can have different viewpoints about a vast deal of things in hockey. If everyone thaught the same, the sport would be boring like a math textbook filled with formulas.
I’ve debated with you before, and you seem to know your stuff pretty well. If I had to rate you, I’d put you in the top 15 posters on this site based on hockey knowledge.
Montreal has not cornered the market on “bad” fans. What we have in Montreal are PASSIONATE fans who live and die vicariously through the team. Their very sense of self worth is determined by the rise and fall of the Montreal Canadiens. I do agree there is no middle ground, the fans are either on a delirious high or in the throws of depression.
But it is hardly unique to Montreal. Look at what happened when the Brazilian soccer team returned home. Armed guards were required for the players. Passionate fans equals high emotions.
Is it good or bad? It is Montreal and what makes the franchise special. Much rather have the passion of Montreal than the apathy of sunbelt fans.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
So, because you clearly have an insanely cynical outlook on today’s NHL (which is not necessarily the way everyone else sees things) it means you’re spot on the money?
Hmmm, alright then.
A minority likes Tom Pyatt, I wasn’t aware you knew everyone in Montreal. You’re a good person to know, if that’s the case!
And you say players don’t understand tradition or what happened “over 25 years” ago?
That’s incredibly naive of you. I wasn’t alive during the 70’s but I know DAMN well about it and feel pride for my team when I hear about it.
You know, today’s players have parents. You did know that right? People who relay information about the past?
Christ, the way you put things, Maurice Richard and Le Gros Bill would be nobodies in this city. That’s CLEARLY not the case.
A lot of people who put on the Habs jersey can easily tell themselves “Wow, I’m wearing a jersey that Richard, Lafleur, Shutt, Geoffrion, Beliveau, Dryden, Roy, etc. also wore!”
Don’t tell me guys just wear the sweater and say, heyyyyyyy payday!
Sure, a lot of players are that way and I have no respect for those ones. You think guys like Gionta or Cammalleri don’t value the history that comes with wearing the sweater?
Cammalleri goes as far as to say everybody knows Canada’s team is the Montreal Canadiens when the heritage minister stated he thought it was the Canucks. Did he HAVE to do that? No. He could’ve kept his mouth shut like hundreds of other players but he didn’t.
He doesn’t need to hype himself that way either cause we all know what he can do.
My comments were more directed towards guys like Ribeiro, Latendresse, etc. Guys who took this team for granted and played like ass.
Guys like Briere who come from here and who turn down THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY to play somewhere else because they can’t take a couple of jackasses asking them questions on tv.
Markov can’t even speak English! He didn’t have to stay here and he did!
Now, excuse me if I’m coming off as a tad bit aggressive but you act like you speak for everyone and that everyone should be as cynical as you or they are just not being realists.
Hell, my little brother who is born in the 90’s and his friends know all about Habs tradition. Why would you say that that kind of knowledge is forgotten? You think people nowadays grow up with their heads in the ground?
Come on, give humanity some kind of credit…
It’s ok, I rate myself top 15 dummies. 😛
So… uh… How about those headcases eh? Anyone? 😛
“Their very sense of self worth is determined by the rise and fall of the
Although I agree. I wonder if it would be a different story if we had NFL, NBA, and MLB teams here that were successful.
I’d just accept the Nordiques back. They’d take alot of heat away from the Habs.
fair enough although multiple nice cars wouldn’t so hard to live with
I never said nobody appreciates the Habs…
The problem is the majority don’t appreciate them the way they should. Few of us know and understand the whole history of the Habs properly. That explains why some people still don’t understand how hard it is to build a championship team. They just think, “Hey, were the Habs why can’t we get the best players in the world and win the Cup every year like we used to.”
It’s so complicated, yet alot of us don’t uderstand how complex the NHL and hockey in general is. The history of this franchise is rich in so many ways. The Lafleurs and Richards will always be legends, but few of us saw them play. Few of us saw them score 5 goals in a game. And few of us can immagine what the feeling and buzz was in this city at that time. We can only repeat what we think it was.
I’ve read numerous books and watched a ton of film on the past Habs, and I’ve decided to appreciate it for what it WAS. Like it or not, it will never be like that again. Dynasties don’t exist anymore, it’s simply impossible for many reasons to have them. The Habs will never dominate teams for decades the way they did. After Beliveau, which player will take his seats behind the bench for every single game? I don’t know, but I’ll bet you whoever it is, they’ll never have the same legacy as he did.
Very few NHL players know the complete history and understand what the Habs are/were.
And btw, it’s people like me and you in this world that caused that. Were the one’s who go/went to the Bell Center and pay 5$ for a f’kin hot dog. Were the dummies who pay 12$ for f’kin draft beer. Where are we, in Rome? Seriously, when we stop doing that, the owners won’t have the hundreds of Millions to throw at these players. Maybe then the players will play to win, instead of making the NHL for a big payday.
I love the sport of hockey like nothing else. But I know that the sport itself is sick, like all major sports in this world.
In every sport, there is good passion and bad passion….
And in MTL, good passion became to a certain degree, bad passion. We do live and die with the results of our favorite team, but recetly not in a fair manner.
Back in the days, winning was expected and delivered because it could be. Our teams were stacked with stars and Cups were being won left and right. But in the past few decades, witht he emergence of more teams, money, etc….it is impossible to repeat that.
But, some fans still think it’s possible and put unfair expectations on the players and team. Is it normal that everyone hates Gainey? The friggin guy has made the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, while rebuilding the team. Forget about Cups for a second because only one team wins every year, but isn’t that a good track record?
I live with every game they play. But if they lose a game, it’s not the end of the world. Sure I’ll be mad, but when it’s all said and done, maybe they weren’t good enough? When we lost to the Flyers, I wasn’t mad. I knew we didn’t have the team to compete with them. But yet, some fans were getting mad and bashing players of the Habs left and right for not winning. That’s unfair pressure, and this team has been filled with it since the 90’s.
In the end, you have to be an honest fan. Maybe it’s because I played the game at a high level that I think like this. If you ask me what AK is worth, I say he’s worth a Happy Meal at McDs. I’m being honest, even though he plays for my team. He has no heart, and doesn’t wear the jersey the way some do. Scott Gomez, I like him. He busts himself every night and brings many things to the table for this team. One of our hardest working players, like Pyatt, but because Scott makes 7 mill, most people want to trade him. That’s unfair.
Might be getting even tougher to win in the Eastern Conference.
From the Twitter account of James Mirtle:
If Kovalchuk’s deciding today, have to believe it’s likely the Devils or Islanders. No source on this, but I’d lean toward New Jersey.35 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Except Brodeur is not aging backwards they still don’t have a guy on the level of Niedermayer, Stevens or Rafalski, other than that they’re all aces for another 1st-round exit.
– I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
I would take Zherdev – nothing to give, signed as a UFA, young and ready to play for 4 mil. Just can’t sign Laps or anyone else – guys will have to come up from the farm and Price will have to accept 1 mil.
Except we’re not going to pay Price 1 million and the freakin’ Rangers walked from paying Zherdev 4 million a year. Nothing to lose is when you sign a guy to 1-2 a year if you think he’s worth twice that, 4 mil is paying him what he never deserved in the first place.
Habs have enough question marks with Pouliot, AK as it is, Zherdev is rolling the dice without good reason to IMO.
Well, when you put it that way.
I personally like Zherdev’s skill. Nice smooth skater, great hands, but, typical Russian hockey player we have gotten accustomed to in Montreal. If he were to be signed to a proove you deserve the money type contract, he sure could be a treat to watch. If we are talking 4M$ per … thats a little too pricey IMO.
Awright, enough jokes. Gettin me all riled up talkin about it, let’s just go ahead and do this:
Uruguay vs Holland: Even WITH Suarez (who, imo, is a superhero for his country-saving sacrifice), I don’t think Uruguay had the tools to either pierce the Dutch defence, nor contain the Dutch offence. But WITHOUT HIM? Yeesh, I dare say no Uruguayan will attempt to cross midfield and instead, will offer a gameplan that is specifically designed to get to penalties. Best thing to hope for is that the Dutch score early. Then we’ll some action, boy! Other than that, we’re talkin 1-0 here, with perhaps a second goal in the final 10 minutes.
La Furia Roja vs ze Geeeermans: (snicker) Thank gosh my family don’t read this site or I would be ostracized faster than a Cristiano dive. I think the Spaniards are gonna suffer the same fate as the leafs, uh, err, England, I mean, and Arhentina, however they be able to score. And by “they”, I mean David Villa. Who has been extraordinary in this competition to my utter astonishment. I take back everything bad I ever said against him. Other than that, Spain has remained Spain. In the World Cup, their knees start shakin. We’re lookin at 2-1 or hopefully, 4-2 for ze Nazional Mannschaft, whose knees never shake.
Tomorrow, 14:30, there or square, you knows it.
Spanish will become extinct in this year’s World Cup after tomorrow.
hey bugs i replied to your forlan dig down below but it might get lost so i’ll repost:
“no they’re not..he’s playing second striker…or support striker off the left…he rarely enters the midfield but stays between the mid and suarez.
it’s more like a 4-4-1-1.
forland doesn’t tackle back and he doesn’t enter the defensive third ever.
schweinsteigger is playing just ahead of khadeira and behind ozil in a 5 man midfield, in a poking and prodding position that supports both flanks. he enters the defensive third.
another talented midfielder to take into consideration is wesley sneijder…who has been fantastic and outscored both aforementioned players.
p.s. fyi if forlan is listed as a 3rd string goalie, he’s not allowed to play as an outfield player. it happened to north korea”
“no they’re not..he’s playing second striker…or support striker off the left…he rarely enters the midfield but stays between the mid and suarez.
it’s more like a 4-4-1-1.
forland doesn’t tackle back and he doesn’t enter the defensive third ever.
schweinsteigger is playing just ahead of khadeira and behind ozil in a 5 man midfield, in a poking and prodding position that supports both flanks. he enters the defensive third.
another talented midfielder to take into consideration is wesley sneijder…who has been fantastic and outscored both aforementioned players.
p.s. fyi if forlan is listed as a 3rd string goalie, he’s not allowed to play as an outfield player. it happened to north korea”
True enough, they are hardly a Cup contender yet. I just think from the Montreal point of view it is a playoff spot pretty much locked up for the Devils, and tougher for the Habs to get eighth.
I still will have to see it to believe it. How many players have left the Devils because Lou was too cheap to pay them. It just seems a bad fit from the salary and Devils’s defensive style of play.
They’re falling out of Contender category faster than they’re clawing back into it, I agree their locking up a playoff spot is not helpful but considering how pitiful the East was last season I don’t see why MTL can’t manage to be one of the Top 8 clubs this year.
dunno! every year i say that, but then they manage to do well all over again, so i wont write them out yet, they still have Zach Parise and Travis Zajac
They do well every year, but that team isn’t up to facing the post-season with a very old Brodeur and a blue line lacking Top 10 defencemen like they used to. I’m sure they’ll have their playoff spot, but they’ve been even less succesful in the post-season than the Sharks have in the last half-decade.
Not to mention that zach parise is RFA after this season, creating huge cap complications for NEw Jersey moving forward.
Rangers made a mistake (one of MANY). But you’re right about Price – even in this market low for goalies, Price should get at least 2 mil on a long contract.
Rangers make many mistakes, but they’ve never held back from paying a guy more than he was worth as well. 4 million when he’s completely unjustified to ask for such an amount is just bad cap management for MTL.
New York Post reports the Devils are the front-runners for Kovalchuk. Rumoured deal is seven year, $60-million: http://bit.ly/9BqoBS1 minute ago via TweetDeck
Making around the same as Ovy, Sid and Malkin seems a bit more reasonable.
Lou is living dangerously signing kovalchuk to that kind of deal, especially with ZACH PARISE (who i would take on my team over kovalchuk in a heartbeat, even knowing that im giving up talent) as RFA after this season.
I am actually shocked that kovalchuk would turn down the kings to stay with the devils….
Now this is what I am talking about:
Enough of this girlie man goal scoring stuff. Rock’em sock’em baby!!!
Did the TSN people decide to put Lindros right behind Stevens for fun or what?
Not a bad deal for the Devils. Wish the Habs could have made the same deal.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
Forlan has been the best midfielder in this competition.
Schneider has been very good. But that’s to be expected from’m. Forlan’s maestro has therefore been more impressive in my opinion.
So whatever he’s listed as, or wherever or however he usually plays, in this competiton, every ball has gone through him and every offensive push has been engineered by him and he has yet to enter la zone de réparation (the big box; don’t know the term in English).
Yes, he DOES tackle back. With authority actually. You’re right on the defensive third by that’s why team have DEFENDERS. Neither did Zizou do those things btw, and he was a midfielder, tried and true.
support striker, not a midfielder…he’s playing the same position as kaka and kaka’s not a true midfielder but plays a rover role…known as the support striker
they changed the name of the position and the way that it’s played and we can thank your zizou for that. support stirker is the playmaker that plays ahead of the midfield but behind the forwards and is the 2nd wave of players that enters the box. it’s not a true midfielding position because they do not track back with the rest of the midfielders, staying up ahead with the strikers to give a quick break….the support striker plays a rover role on most teams and that’s what forlan’s been doing.
to me the difference between a midfielder and a striker/winger is how deep they come back to break out…and forlan doesn’t come back further than the half circle of the center line
midfielders xabi alonso and xavi receive the ball and all the attacks start through them for spain, but both play in a much deeper position than forlan…you can’t say forlan is playing the same position as xabi alonso or xavi can you?
Ok, that’s fine.
Then as “2nd striker”, he has been, imo, the best midfielder in this competiton.
As completely flawed as my undertanding of his position’s actual title has been, perhaps you can forgive me that viewpoint.
I must thank you though for bringing Stormie outta the wordwork with your contention. He hasn’t had occasion to pounce on me yet as everything has transpired exactly as I had foreseen while all the “teachings” he had promised me have been waylaid by his overconfident misfired predictions.
REPORT: KOVALCHUK TO SIGN SEVEN-YEAR, $60M DEAL WITH DEVILS
I was just reading that. He turned down over 100 million for 12 years with Atlanta. I guess he does want to go for a cup. Good for him
7 years…..OUCH!! Thats going to hurt someday.
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Good signing, very similar in size to Crosby/Malkin for a similar calibre player.
Dammit, it HAD to the the Devils…..man, this is the first year in AGES they’ve actually improved their off-season roster, for they finished SECOND last year!! WTF!!!
I am a little bit surprised that no one is pulling for the Habs to sign Bill Guerin. Size, leadership, experience, he can still play, scored 21 goals last year, 11 on the PP. Shouldn’t be too expensive, and he has some ex-teammates on our team as well, Gomez, Gionta, Gill.
unfortunately we cannot sign every single free agent out there.
anywyas leadership is not a problem with the habs
88 is the new 23
Guerin could be a decent addition for cheap, but he is the type of player that you can wait to sign. The Habs have a bunch of other priorities right now and very little cap space to make it happen!
For a player like Guerin, you offer him $1 Mil or less on a one year deal, but only once you have everyone else in place and only IF there is still money left—which is far from guaranteed at this point.
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If NJ signs Kovalchuk, Parise is undoubtedly on the market this season.
Dude, not a chance. Parise is still the best player on that team, and there is no way they’ll move what is essentiall America’s version of Crosby (ie their best/two-way/clutch player). They;d move anyone before him
Habs have Kristo. He’ll be a 40 goal scorer in the NHL
Not with a $3M cap hit and impending RFA status they won’t. : ) If anyone leaves, it’ll be Elias and his $6M cap hit.
Catastrophic mistake if they do so, but with Lou getting more desperate each year for another Cup who’s to know what will happen? That loss would set the team back for years though. Oh well, as long as he goes West that’s not my problem.
That would be the biggest mistake the Devils have ever made…
Parise is that team. Not Marty, he’s finished, a shadow of what he once was. Not Rolston at 5 mill, or Arnott at 4.5 mill, or Elias at 6 mill. It’s Parise’s team.
If anyone is moved, it will either be Zajac or Langenbrunner. They come cheaper than those oldies I listed above, and are better players. Nobody, unless the GM is on shrooms, will take Rolston, Arnott, or Elias’ 6 mill.
If NJ signs Kovalchuk, I for one, will be completely shocked. I saw Kovy II as a non-fitting piece on the Devils roster in the playoffs this past spring. Are the Devils prepared to change philosophy to accomondate this one-dimensional player, albeit a very talented one-dimensional hockey player? That’s just my opinion, of course. Maybe with a team other than the Thrashers, Kovalchuk will become a more complete hockey player. He may actually have someone else to play with for the first time in his NHL career, and if the coaching staff are patient, this could turn out very well for the Devils. The jury’s still out as far as I’m concerned, but it would prove interesting.
The bigger mistake might be Arnott at $4.5M
Now they have an urgent need to shed salary.
There’s no way he’ll be on the market.
Elias will likely be moved, and Arnott won’t be resigned. That’s 10.5 million right there. They currently have 4.7 million in cap space so with the Kovalchuk contract 15.2 million – 8.5 million = 6.7 million. Parise is already making 3,125,000 so the incremental amount on his new contract will be about 4-5 million. That leaves anywhere from 1.7 to 2.7 to replace the Arnott.
I don’t think Parise’s cap hit will be the same as Kovalchuk’s. He’ll likely sign a 10-12 year contract with a lower cap hit.
When young players enter the league they should be forced to watch videos on how Parise plays the game.
He is tremendous.
The energy is relentless; and he has the skills to match almost anyone in the world.
I am a big Parise fan.
me too, i also feel he is one of the best since he plays 2 way and has speed and skill to boot, hes like a more skilled, but slightly less tough Mike Richards. But hes also very feisty, making him way better than Richards
The plan would be to move anyone else, but there’s no way they can move enough salary to resign him. If Kovalchuk gets 8.5 Parise will get the same.
Very surprised Kovy decided on NJ…
I might get bashed for this, but I would have taken that same offer from the Islanders.
Yeah they’ve sucked for a long time. But they’ve got a very bright future, much more than the Devils. In 2-3 years, guys like Bailey, Okposo, Tavares, Nino Niederreiter, and potentially Matt Moulson will all be very good players.
In NJ, in 2-3 years that team will be filled with holes. No more Brodeur, Elias, Rolston, Langenbrunner, or Arnott. It will be a team with Zajac, Parise, and now Kovy.
Not saying that’s bad, but I think the youth talent in New York is far greater than what it is in NJ.
Islanders are still handcuffed with 10 million in Yashin buyout and Dipietro debacle until 2015 and Dipietro doesn’t come off their books possibly until 2021 or so. That team has a sixth of it’s salary cap consumed by toxic assets. That and their owner is a lunatic for approving those deals in the first place.
Litle off topic, but I just watched the TSN video of top 10 hardest hitters of all time and just noticed that Larry Robinson never made the cut..Huh?
Bryan Marchment was, what, 6th or 7th? Of all time? Really? I just find they left out a lot of players throughout the history of the game…With the exception of Potvin, the list is really of a more recent history then the entire history…
IDK, just ranting because I consider the Big Bird one of the biggest hitters of his time and of all time..That hit on Dornhoefer looked like it hurt..He broke the ficken boards..lol
Brian Burke is so easy to dislike with his truculence & all. When he has his GM hat on he is arguably a borderline moron. But it’s impossible to read that story and not see him as an outstanding human being who has suffered perhaps the greatest loss imaginable. This story is one of the saddest to be told in a long time and I send Mr. Burke and his family nothing but the best of my thoughts and my absolute support. Stuff like this makes hockey seem so trivial. I hope everyone involved can find peace and the strength to move forward.
Why is it the Canadiens with all their money, their official website has poorer information on all their current prospects than Habs Prospects? Seriously, he’s got headshots of every player and up to date season-per-season stats.
Canadiens should pay him to run that part of their site.
Still, NJ won’t win a Cup with their current aging roster…
And if you’ve ever been to their games, it’s sad. That franchise is in big trouble. They get 5000-8000 people per game, and they have a winning record for what 10 straight years now, or more? That’s pathetic, especially that they have a new arena along with that winning team.
Heck, they didn’t even sell-out game 7 of the Cup Finals when they played the Ducks! When Marty is gone, and the other oldies on that team leave or retire, they’ll have to ruebuild.
If they get 5000-8000 now with legends and winning teams, how many people will they get then?
maybe it is his belief that over the next 2-3 years NJ can win a cup.
they seem to get about 100 points a year.
then they struggle to get through the playoffs.
maybe they can figure out how to chnage that pattern, and play like the 100 point regular season team, in the playoffs as well??
there is 0 chance the Islanders are winning the cup in the next 2-3 years – that’s for sure.
If I’m not mistaken, all or the majority of the NHL teams’ websites are driven by NHL.com, which, I do believe, is an American based site…
They won’t, but they could retool if Brodeur calls it off in the next two years much easier than NYI will if they’re handcuffed on the cap until 2020, Kovalchuk at 7 years gives them the rest of his prime years and a bit of a chance to get going.
Islanders are not getting anywhere with no money and with a cap anchor around their necks.
You kind of answered your own question there, I think. When you said “TSN” and “a more recent history….”. I think the majority of people in the media today are younger guys who do not go back much further than, say, the 90’s or maybe back as far as the 80’s. But that is about it. Except of course the guys at the Gazette (oops!).
Just look at the people who post here on HIO. I think the majority of them don’t go back much further either. So when someone of a more younger generation makes a statement, or a list, it is almost impossible for them to go back past what they personally remember. And TSN definitely caters to the younger crowd…and to the Toronto crowd, specifically.
I, too, am surprised by Kovalchuk’s decision. Presumably he didn’t sign with Atlanta because he wants a Cup, which is fair enough (although, it is hard not to pine for the days when loyalty to the franchise meant more…Ray Bourque winning with the Avs always left a bad taste in my mouth. But that argument falls into the same category as, ‘wouldn’t it be great if there were only 15 teams in the League…what’s the point of wishing?). Anyway, presumably he wants a Cup, so I can see not signing with the Thrasers, and perhaps not the Isles, as their young talent, although loaded with potential, is a bit of a risk, especially in a long-term deal. So why not sign with LA?
The Devils are a great team, but clearly the experiment didn’t work out last year, and as many have mentioned, some of their cornerstones are getting older awfully fast. LA has a bevy of young talent, especially D-men, where it seems like more and more offence is being generated from. Perhaps he sees something I don’t (dollar signs?). Anyway, surprising move. Would’ve preferred to have him in the Western conference myself….
Anyone can get to the cup final out of the East.
Hey, jobs are open at the Habs website! They’re looking for applicants.
Ummm..Denis Potvin was #4..
although I agree with you – and i respect the man – not many on this site have much compassion for Brian Burke.
he’s portrayed as an evil lawyer, know it all, who has never done anything to deserve anyone’s respect.
I try to balance things out a bit on HIO.
I try to remind people that he captained his college hockey team (Providence, I believe);
he played AHL hockey (Pro); graduated Harvard Law School, and has GM’d an NHL Stanley Cup winner.
but, he’s the GM of the leafs – which is a tough sell here.
Having 3 kids of my own, my heart was broken for him as well.
Can’t say I ever liked Burke, even before he came to the Leafs…just not my style. But I would never wish anything like what happened to him on anyone. A real tragedy, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for how he handled everything. He seems like an intensely loyal father, and that is a commendable trait.
anyone with a hot goalie!!
Kovalchuk was not a bust with the Devils, despite what everyone here says.
Obvisouly he wasn’t a bust since Lamoriello signed him to a big contract.
And I don’t see why people are surprised he chose NJ. It is one of the better organizations in the league.
They have few fans it’s true, but maybe if they play a more attacking style they’ll get more fans. Their D sure looks weak, and Marty is totally washed up. They might not have a choice but to play attacking hockey.
What I don’t understand is why sign Arnott if you were planning to get Kovy. Now they have to shed salary.
Atlanta or New Jersey? The worst run organization in the league or one of the 2 or 3 best? Tough choice.
You could say he wants a Cup. That’s a fair statement. Every player should want the Cup. But I think Kovalchuk’s decision to get out of Atlanta has more to do with him wanting to play in a hockey environment. One where there are fans in the stands every night, and those fans are wearing ballcaps with hockey logos instead of Dale Earnhardt hats. Any team in the Atlantic, or Northeast Division is going to bring that atmosphere.
Good article at habs addict:
Then you just blew my theory all to hell………but, it is TSN, right?
And if you’ve ever seen video of games from the early 70’s back through the 60’s, etc., you’d notice that hugg, thundering bodychecks simply weren’t part of the game. Back then the idea was to separate your man from the puck. The was no such thing as a three-stride, three-steamboat hit after your man had passed the puck.
Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.
I don’t get it. On the one hand NJ gets about 100 points every year. Now they have added who most regard as one of the top players in the world, and they can’t win a cup. Why? because Brodeur is too old. Then how does he get them 100 points year in and year out. Maybe they will play Brodeur a little less this coming year, and he’ll be fresher for the playoffs. If he can win throughout the 82 game schedule, he is still a world class goalie. If he was as bad as you guys say, then NJ would not have the record they have – including last year.
Brodeur won 45 games plast year, and had 9 shutouts. 2.24 GAA
From what I heard, L.A. was nowhere near the $$ ballpark that Kovalchuk was looking for. I believe that they didn’t want to go higher than $6 or 7 Mil a season, and Kovalchuk clearly thought he was worth more.
Not sure why he chose the Devils either and the only thing I can think is that Lou Lamoriello did a hell of a sell job in telling him how the team would be built around him, which is undoubtedly will be.
The head scratcher for me is that the Devils are a trapping team and that is not a style the lends to an offensive dynamo like Kovalchuk. Who knows, maybe they plan on opening things up….I somehow doubt it, but you never know!
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Andy Strickland says Halak will not file for arbitration today by 5:00 pm which is the deadline.
people here were arguing that Kovalchuk was NJ’s best player in the playoffs. were they not?
didn’t they just sign 2 d-men as free agents? Tallinder and Volchenkov.
Wait….I don’t know if anyone was saying he was a ‘bust”. I wouldn’t call him a bust, but I watched the Devils in the playoffs and I was not impressed at all with Kovalchuk. He was trying to do it all by himself on many occasions, and that is definitely not New Jersey Devils hockey. Now, obviously you can’t decide that a player is a bust based on such a short time, on a new team and in a new hockey environment. But I was not impressed, and I wasn’t alone. It was the common consensus among the people I watched those playoffs with.
I’ve said it over and over…you cannot argue with this guy’s skill set. If I was the guy responsible for putting an NHL team together, I would find it hard to pass over this guy as well. But I’m not in that position. I have the luxury of being just a fan, and I am accountable to nobody.
Kovalchuk wasn’t a bust, you’re correct…
He played well, on a team where nobody seemed to care anymore. That’s one thing that can surprise me about this signing. Of course, were not in the room so maybe things weren’t as bad as they say, and they just got beat by a Philly powerhouse.
They’ve never, ever had fans though. It’s not their style of play, it’s just not in the NJ people to go watch the games. The Minnesota Wild played that style for the past 10 years, and they sellout every game. NJ just isn’t a hockey market, and I’m curious to see how dead that arena will be once their lover Marty retires.
Doc Emeric and Chico Resh will go nuts. They salivate over everything Marty.
Yeah, right. A one-line post? Who are you, and what did you do with krob1000.
So I guess Price has about two hours to file for arbitration as well.
What is going on with his contract?
i wonder what is taking so much time with carey price’s contract….. there are 2 scenarios.
– habs sign him to a one year deal, because why would price want to sign a long term deal at 2 million.
– give him the 3.25 million that most starters get in nhl and hope he progresses over the next few years thus saving you money in the long run.
I get the feeling that things may start to pick up a bit now with the impending arbitration deadline and the possible Kovy deal.
Marty Brodeur isn’t the same Marty he was over the past decade…
When that team was stacked with talent in the mid 90’s until about 3-4 years ago, he was at his best. He and the franchise were all at their best at the same time. He was exceptional.
Now, the team isn’t the same and can’t seem to win one playoff round since they lost Ken D., Stevens, and Niedermayer. Marty’s play has declined, but as you said he still is a very good goaltender. Problems is with the team and defense he has infront of him, the only way they’d have a shot to win would be if Marty would go back in time and find his game from the early 2000’s.
It was hard enough for them to win back then, when everyone was in their prime. Now, his team is full of holes and he’s on the wrong side of 35.
price can’t file for arbitration beacuse he doesn’t have 4 years of nhl experience.
I agree, if Kovy signs with the Devils then they have to move contracts.
TSN is saying the Wings are working hard to get Modano. Why? Where does he fit in to their roster and are they trying to be the oldest team in the league?
What a beautiful article on Burke, his family, and his late son Brendan! Moving and uplifting!
Yes, I believe that is right. I forgot that Halak is a different class of RFA. Still wonder what is taking so long with Price though.
“…on a team where nobody seemed to care anymore.” You might have something there. There were reports that captain Langenbrunner would be dealt at the deadline. It didn’t happen, but there surely was something to that. It sure looked like Langenbrunner was not a happy camper, but maybe that changes with the new coach? The Devils have come to the point where they have to start looking at life without Martin Brodeur. Could there be a shift in traditional Devils hockey thinking? Are they going to go rogue and become a firewagon team?
Wings huh? That is a bit of a head scratcher. I wonder how much Modano wants. I’m also starting to wonder if maybe the Price people are waiting for the Halak people to sign and vice versa.
I think Langenbrunner and his 2.8 mill contract can be dealt.
He’s got one year left on his deal, UFA after this season. Then, slap the C on Parise’s jersey.
I never thought of that one…LOL
What if Price signs a more lucrative contract than Halak? What a PR disaster for the Habs.
based on salaries and games played i don’t think halak will get more than 3.75M per season. i know some people have been talking about 4-5m a year but if i were an nhl team i would want more of a track record before breaking the bank on a young goalie.
not really. PG said the team believes price has more upside. Habs put themselves in a tricky situation with price. When you publicy say we think you’re better or goign to be better and you’re our guy, you’re kind operating with is agent on his terms.
YES YES YES YES YES……..WAY TO GO GEOFF MOLSON
That’s great news! (fingers crossed)
Agreed. I think now that Kovalchuk is off of the market, some of the teams that lost out on him might go fishing for lesser players like Frolov.
Now we get to see how much money players will make on the secondary market. I think things are about to start getting interesting.
Frolov….I’ve never seen such a weird player in my life. Even Kovalev had more consistency than him. If Kovy was having a bad game, he’d still find a way to deke someone of of their pants in our zone. Sure, they’d score right after on a giveaway, but atleast the deke was there for us to “AWE”..
This Frolov dude though is very good, then a ghost for 3 weeks, then scores 6 goals in a week, then plays on the 3rd line, etc….
He’s gonna get the money though, because there’s nobody else.
I’ll take a stab…………………………. Jersey?
Interesting news from Habs
camp… MTL president Pierre Boivin will turn over his duties to Geoff
Molson on June 30, 2011
The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.
Any news on how the kids are doing in Brossard today?
I mean, how much can we possibly talk about Kovalchuk RE-signing. It’s not like he changed teams or anything, and were probably discussing it more than the 46 Devils fans in NJ.
3.25 mil????? What has warrented that type of money?? Who cares what other “starters” get? I’m a Price supporter too but I don’t think the deserves anything over 1.5 mil for one year. Nittymaki is only making 2 mil and he’s gonna be the Sharks starter. 3.25 is ridiculous.
A $60m, 7 year contract yields a $8.57m cap hit. Jersey’s current cap hit is 55.892. Adding Kovy’s contract, that results in a 64.462 cap hit. The cap is 59.4, which means they are 5m over. I’d love to be able to poach some players from their lineup, but our cap situation is tight, too. If we could trade/buy-out Hammer, we’d free up a good 3m-5m.
Special note to the Cranks about the Management:
The Dark Lord Sauron will abdicate his throne in a year.
Seriously though, Pierre Boivin is going to step down as President, Geoff Molson’s taking over the job in a year.
A very good article – I might despise him since he’s the Leafs GM, but I will always have a soft spot for him. What a tragic story – no father deserves this. God bless Burke’s family.
Very exciting news!
Good thing he stepped in made sure Boivin wouldn’t be able to make the organization any more money, he was a pretty callous Team President in that way. People make way too much noise about Boivin.
Is Boivin retiring or moving on? Was there a difference in opinion on how the franchise was being run? Is it simply that Geoff Molson planned to take control all along?
Whatever the reason I am optimistic about the future more than I have been in some time.
Haha, job opportunities from the Montreal Canadiens. C’mon, hand in your resumes everybody!
Agreed. Put it this way, whatever Halak is awarded, Price should get half and consider himself lucky.
how come i have a feeling gainey will sneak his way into that job somehow lol
Friedman (HNIC) Tweets: If Islanders do not sign Kovalchuk, biggest question I have is: How are they going to get to cap floor?
Oh maan, trade for Hamrlik, trade for Souray, trade for Thomas…. There are so many options out there..
Capgeek has them around 36 million with 20 players already signed!
Gomez? Please! Take Gomez!
Gomez would take them perfectly to the cap floor.
Here it is, PG — trade Pacioretty and OB (whom I like, but JM seems to disfavor) to NJ for David Clarkson, Bryce Salvador, and prospect Eric Gelinas (6′ 4″ D from the Q). We get tougher with these players, Jersey sheds salary over 5m in salary, it’s a win win. Step 2 is to trade or buy-out Hammer.
What a great problem to have!
not down with this deal…i rather hold out on pacioretty than take the 3million/yr clarkson contract, and salvador’s 3million/yr contract
ok…. so who is our #1A center and who carries the puck into the zone on the PP?
ben maxwell! brock trotter! david desharnais! lars eller!
yea not that great…
so they get old n crappy at the same time..
We have Pleks and Ellar coming up. The point is to get rid of that albatross of a contract. Saku put up similar points to Gomez.
50 point centermen are not hard to find.
I think that one of the possible scenarios would have Lars Eller stepping up to the #2 center spot after a couple years of NHL seasoning. Then we will able to trade Scott Gomez.
He will be an excellent addition to a team struggling to reach the cap floor, with a salary lower than his cap hit.
Plus, he is a quality player.
And that includes Di Pietro and Yashin?
Cap space is pointless without someone to sign. Ergo just keep Gomez.
TommyB – Mike ‘The Hitman’ Boone will not like that shot about age.
I’m sure Sather has Snow on speed dial trying to dump Redden.
December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.
NJ just signed Clarkson for 3 seasons. It’s July 5th, though, so we can dream…
Kovalchuk is waiting for Montreal to offer. He wants to play here, the greatest hockey city in the world!
NJ is 3 million under the cap BEFORE Kovalchuk is signed. Meaning they need to clear out at least 5.5 million before the season if he signed for the purported 8.5 cap hit. With Parise being RFA, there’s no way he accepts less than Kovalchuk who’s by FAR an inferior player. So that’s either another 8.5 million that needs to be moved out in players totaling 14 million in salary moved out in under a year, or they can move Parise for a massive package. It would be nearly impossible for NJ to move out that kind of salary.
This signing of Kovalchuk will destroy that franchise.
They have 4.7 million in cap space before Kovalchuk. Parise is already making 3.125 against the cap so even if he signs a similar contract to Kovalchuk’s the incremental amount would be 5.375. I think Parise would sign for longer term and his cap hit would be lower. Arnott is UFA next year, Elias will be moved. Rolston is making 5 million and could potentially be moved as well.
I’m as confused as you about it Tommy.
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