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272 Comments

  1. Nilan4Pres says:

    You think they won because of the immediate output but the Habs were not going to sign him here so the got what they could get for him and in my opinion they weren’t gonna get any better offers. There were time constraints, cap issues. The Habs make a qualifying offer to him and he goes somewhere beacause of an offer sheet they can’t match they get a 1st and 3rd rounder instead they get 2 prospects.

  2. Mark C says:

     I don’t like MAB as an overall player, and do not want him back on the poster, unless the PP still stinks in another month or so and he is a last ditch resort.

    My point is really simple. There is a difference between players who make a lot of mistakes, while having offensive ability and those players who have next to no offensive ability.

    Example, say Subban makes 3 mistakes a game and O’Byrne makes 3 mistakes as well, or even less. Subban can offset his mistakes because he is a good offensive player, whereas O’Byrne can’t. Maybe this isn’t “fair” but it is a reality in all of sports. Some players are given more leash because they offer the ability to positively affect the outcomes of games on both sides of the score sheet.  

     

  3. SLONCOLD says:

    gernally speaking if you trade the prospects or draft picks for a guy going into rfa status, you probably know what the agent wants for his client and will get the deal done. St louis won this trade big time in the short term and time will tell over the long haul. eller has some good raw talent now it’s a question of time when we’ll get to see him develop.

     

  4. Nilan4Pres says:

    Sorry I re read after I posted. There could have been another offer sheet out there with more than St Louis was willing to pay. Point is there was no gaurantee that he plays for St-louis or that they end up paying too much for him because of another offer sheet.

  5. Nilan4Pres says:

    Sorry That came out wrong . There is was no guarantee that another team throws out a bigger offer to Halak if he decides to wait untill the Free agency period begins therefore leaving St louis with the draft picks or paying more than they wanted for Halak.

  6. SLONCOLD says:

    he was an RFA…. not UFA halak just had arbitration rights….

  7. Mark C says:

    Give me a break, talk about taking my comment out of context.  But, let’s have some fun with this, for the record I think plus minus generally is a silly stat. I just saw a post where you are making fun of Gomez’ lacking of scoring, and I’ve read posts claiming both Spacek and Hamrlik should be out of the line-up, yet all three of those losers are plus players. It seems JM is using hockey logic when he doesn’t bench them, right?

    BTW, it’s Gill PK ability and leadership that keeps him in the line-up.

  8. Nilan4Pres says:

    I agree but if St louis or any other team lets go of an already proven NHLer for Halak and Halak decides to wait for the free agency session to begin and he is offered the same contract to play some where more attractive to him St Louis then gain a risky 1st and 3rd round draft pick for what they lost which was a top 6 forward. Halak has great possibilities but there was no gaurantee he would ever play a game for St-Louis that’s what alot of people on here don’t seem to realize.

  9. TripleX says:

    If  you and JM are right and we are wrong, I imagine there will be a huge bidding war for MAB when he is healed up.  One question though.  If MAB was so stellar why did the Habs let him go?

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  10. TripleX says:

    Gill is a team leading -4, is it his offensive upside that keeps him in the lineup.  By the way Picard is a team leading +7.  JM does what he wants and it has no basis in hockey logic.

     

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  11. Hobie Hansen says:

    The only reason the Halak-Price decision seems to be magnified in my little world is that the Canadiens’ second line stinks. With Perron, Backes or Boyes added to our top six forwards, things would look pretty darn good.

  12. Mark C says:

    It isn’t a judgment call. MAB’s plus minus has nothing to do with it. That stat doesn’t count the PP, where MAB had 7 goals and 15 assists. MAB had one less assist on the PP last season than O’Byrne has career points in 128 games. Again, MAB and Subban thanks to their offensive ability and production can offset their mistakes, unlike Max-Pac and O’Byrne. Defensive players or young players that cannot play consistent offensive hockey impact the team in a negative way if they are making mistakes.

    It’s ok, you just don’t like JM and that’s your opinion to have. But, he’s well within his right to bench players who are providing negative value, while playing others who are making mistakes as well, because at least they are offering some offensive production. This happens on almost every NHL team, JM isn’t the only coach doing this.

     

  13. Natrous says:

    To further back up your point re picks vs prospects, any GM in this league worth his salt will tell you that he would far rather have an established prospect than an equivalent pick. Anything can happen in the draft, especially when your drafting has been shoddy at best, but when you get a prospect back who has played some NHL games and shown his potential value, you have far less risk in return.

  14. adamkennelly says:

    that is a judgement call – MABs +/- didn’t back up that statement and PK looks great out there but frankly makes a tons of mistakes on the rush, has zero goals – 5 secondary assists and can’t hit the side of a barn from the point.  don’t get me wrong, great player – huge asset but JM giving he and some others free reign while nailing OB, Pax, etc to the bench or press box or Hammertown doesn’t add up.

    I just don’t like JM – never have and never will..he is a dinosaur – who coaches boring, soft hockey…

  15. punkster says:

    Cool. Enjoy the Nuks game. I’ll have a beer in your honour this weekend.

  16. Everlasting1 says:

    In dating Pamela Anderson you’d care what she has to say?

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  17. Nilan4Pres says:

     

    Wasn’t gonna get involved in this discussion but I’m feeling frisky.

    Regarding Halak and what we got for him, If Halak would have stayed in Montreal and him being a restricted free agent, had St-Louis sent an offer sheet for him at the salary they are currently giving him we would have had to match that (we had cap issues) or take a 1st and 3rd round draft pick. What we got instead were Lars Eller(1st round 13th overall) and Ian Shultz(3rd round 87th overall). The difference is that these players are less of a gamble than taking actual Draft picks. If St Louis wins the cup (unlikely but they should be a playoff team)  you get the 30th and 90th overall picks. Obviously Teh Canadiens saw something they liked in these two players and they filled needs (perhaps not short term) of a top six forward a gritty tough player which from what I have seen up to now is what they have gotten. If they risk the picks they could end up with players thay may not ever play at an NHL level which I believe both these players will, also they have already developed more than say a 17 year old draft pick so the wait should be less.  With regards to getting a top 6 forward for him. Very tough to get for a goal tender at a time when there were so many coming on the market a few weeks latter. We also had the cap issues to concern us. Talking of dumping salary in return with Spachek or Gomez or Hammer,  Spacek and Hammer did well in the playoffs and last year, Gomez is a pretty tough sell to any team So I don’t see them able to do this.

     

     Price is getting the job done so far ,so is Halak in St-Louis, as he should he is paid more than Price. One of them had to go so we traded the player that said trade me or play me and kept the guy that that is working through his issues and is developing into a class goaltender. Eller will become a top 6 forward and be very productive for The Habs long term IMO and shultz looks like he can be that Gritty  guy that we need on the team in the futur. I don’t seeing us making a run for the cup this year, but it is possible but I do see us being a very steady team through the next few years with some definate chances at being a contender.

    I understand the emotion from the playoff run we had last year and the pumped up talk of the second coming of Roy but we have all seen Goal tenders have flashes and fizzle, Will Halak fizzle? I don’t think so now because of his great start but that does not mean much and the trade was done month ago not this week . Pro sports is a gamble and all The Canadiens can do is make decissions and hope that it all pans out. I believe they made a decission that was best for everyone involved. I don’t think there were any losers in this deal.

    This is the only post I will post regarding the whole Halak-Price crap that we endure every day. But I just felt like saying my piece.

     

     

  18. Mark C says:

    It’s simple, MAB and P.K. offer enough offensive ability and production that it helps outweigh their mistakes.

  19. habs365 says:

    There’s only one problem with the Habs and most fans see it but some of ya just can’t get it, they don’t have enough scores. they have all kinds of speed in most cases and that’s not a bad thing, but you have to find a way to score and for the past two games we haven’t been able to do that.

    if this line shake up works tonight and both lines score that’s gonna be great, we may have something going here, but if one line wheather it be the 2nd or 1st line does all the scoring again than what do you do? leave it as it is or go back the way we were. or try those lines for 10 games and hope to get both lines scoring.

    I don’t know, it’s alful when you don’t have the scores, it makes the team look bad as well as the coaching staff, in general the whole organization. you know we have a pretty good team here, if there were only some way to have the top 6 players scoring…

  20. habitual says:

    Yes Pax is right in his assessment – witness other young players – O’Byrne for instance.

    But Pax shouldn’t have said it in the press.

     

  21. nick says:

    Hey think Dallas would take Gomez in a straight trade for Steve Ott? Or would MTL have to through some extras in? :P

  22. athanor says:

    Really!!! After Martin told Spacek to smarten up on defence, what did Spacek do on almost his first play last game? Drop the puck on an opponent’s stick. And that was just the beginning of the adventure.

    Surely O’Byrne couldn’t do any worse.

  23. adamkennelly says:

    Pax is prolly bang on with his comments.  JM is a dinosaur – his attitude towards young players and development is way out of wack.  its not like the winger on our second line right now is lighting it up. 

    what I can’t figure out is why he seems to give crappy D men (MAB) or rookie D-men (PK) so much ice time and leniency when it comes to making mistakes.

  24. adam76 says:

    This trade will be debated for the next five years.  Might want to get use to it.


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