Welcome back, Paul Mara

EDMONTON – The Canadiens have beefed up their blueline overnight, trading a 2012 fifth-round draft pick to Anaheim for former Habs defenceman Paul Mara. He’s expected to join the team in time for tonight’s tilt here vs. the Oilers.

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The team announcement:

General manager Pierre Gauthier announced late this evening that the team acquired defenseman Paul Mara from the Anaheim Ducks in return for a fifth round pick in 2012, previously acquired from the Ducks in the trade that sent Maxim Lapierre to Anaheim on December 31, 2010.


       Mara, who turned 31 on September 7, first joined the Canadiens as a free agent on July 10, 2009 and played 42 games with the team in 2009-10, recording eight assists. This season as a member of the Anaheim Ducks, Mara scored once and added an assist for a total of two points in 33 games, while serving 40 penalty minutes. The 6’4’’ and 207 lbs defenseman has recorded 64 goals and 185 helpers for a total of 249 NHL career points, and was assessed 728 penalty minutes.


      Mara is scheduled to join the Canadiens in Edmonton for the game against the Oilers on February 17.

604 Comments

  1. crabvader says:

    Mara was unfortunate enough to A) Be a part of a brand new team that hadn’t even played together long enough to have a good sense of cohesion yet. B) Get injured early.

    He’s a good team guy, will stick up for his counterparts and is really not that bad defensively.

    So who do you like better? An inexperienced kid with one NHL game to his name? Nash may have looked good for ONE game, but at this point in the season, you don’t gamble a playoff run on a kid who the team doesn’t even consider a top prospect.

  2. Fansincebirth says:

    Anyone figure a multi-player trade is coming?

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  3. tony d says:

    MARA?????????? WTF?????

    As George Costanza once said, “I am speechless… I am without speech.”

  4. Shiloh says:

    Not such a bad pick-up. Even when Spacek and Gill are back, Mara can play the odd game and give every d-man a rest prior to the playoffs. If there’s a frenzy at trading deadline on defenseman, we might not get anybody, so this preemptive move is OK.

  5. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yannick Weber for Shea Weber, Mathieu Carle for Matt Carle and Brendon Nash for Rick Nash, BOOM.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  6. 24 Cups says:

    So we basically traded 25 year old Maxim Lapierre for the 31 year old Paul Mara that we picked up for free last year.  So much for Brett Festerling. (There is no way that Brendon Nash is ready.  It would be suicide to throw him on the D for the rest of the year.  He’s only here because of all the inuries.  Another year in Hamilton should bode well for his future).

    I realize some people may be disappointed that we didn’t get players such as Fisher, Kelly or Kaberle. (Kelly for a 2nd rounder is great value. Fisher for the 26th-30th pick in the draft is a solid gamble).   All of those players are upgrades that improve a team rather than just fill a hole.  I’m not making excuses for G&G, but you really have to try and be fair-minded when it comes to all the injuries on the defense.  There was no other choice but to “waste” a few assets to bring in The Wiz and Mara.  It was that or run the risk of beoming the Colorado Avalanche of the East.  The OB decision is lamentable but that’s now water under the bridge.  G&G would love a mulligan on that move, but otherwise, they have reacted to the hand that was dealt them.   It’s pretty well impossible to upgrade with a scoring forward or a physical Dman when you are busy plugging leaks in the dike.   I think with the exceptions of AK46 and Gomez, you have to be pretty proud of all the players on our team.  That goes for the management team as well.

    Our objective remains the same.  Try and finish 7th (or higher) and see what unfolds.  Just don’t give up any major long-term assets in the process.

  7. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    Whoa relax people.. Mara knows some of the guys here, is still a decent fill in for a 6th dman and even if we only play him vs philly/bost’s of the league not a bad move… I have a feeling this is not the only move PG is going to make.. 

  8. habsgod says:

    this is a safe pickup provides us with a little more depth ,insurance and experience,a 5th round pick is a cheap price to pay considering that the senators wanted pacioretty for phillips

  9. Nahlsy says:

    Comes down to the Habs have three D that were in the twilight of their careers (over 35) and a bunch of rookies with nothing really in between them in age at all except for Wiz. Too much responsibility on both groups for that stage of their respective careers.

    They needed a veteran that 1) wasn’t a rookie and 2) wasn’t over 35, who could step in, eat up some minutes here and there, give the older guys a break without needing to be mentored either. They needed someone in that 27-32 yrs old range who wasn’t too flashy, just reliable, stays at home while the kids make their mistakes, adds some beef, can look out for himself and the odd team mate here and there a little and Mara fits the bill.

    The Habs were in a bizarre spot where their D was too old and too young both at the same time with NOTHING in the middle at all. This helps put something in the middle, relatively cheap. It’s a subtle move that should add more in other areas than direct impact on the ice.

  10. Fansincebirth says:

    Cancel my last, over….didn’t see 24′s post about Laps for Mara

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  11. fbkj says:

    clearly PG beat out all of the other GM’s in the mara sweepstakes

    /sarcasm

    this is a reactionary trade because of injuries and it aint a bad one

  12. observer says:

    A COMPLETE FLOP HERE LAST YEAR ENDING SEASON AS A HEALTHY SCRATCH THEN ON THE INJURED LIST. HAS NOT PLAY7ED A GAME IN THE LAST 30 DAYS AND WAS A HEALTHY SCRATCH IN ANAHEIM 23 OF THEIR LAST 25 GAMES. Mind boggling move! Please excuse te caps.

  13. Kimberly2u says:

    Mara? Again?  He was out more than he played…why would he do that?  I know we need a defenseman but I can say didn’t see that coming.

  14. king ddd says:

    lmao i just realised we have the poor man version of the top dogs in NHL

     

    ** Buck Fruins **

  15. Chris says:

    Sorry, I see all the well-reasoned posts down below.  You’re probably right.  And let’s not forget he was another “character” guy that was really popular in the dressing room.  But….

    Paul Mara was terrible for the Habs last year.  He has completely lost any quickness he may have once had, so is VERY vulnerable to anybody that skates at a pace faster than a snail.  When he’s on the ice, the defence corps becomes a defence corpse.  He will occasionally hit, but does so at the most inopportune times, taking himself out of position to do it.  And the one exceptional part of his game, his booming point shot, has become a non-factor.

    Paul Mara is something like the Travis Moen of defencemen.  He can eat a lot of minutes, but they are useless minutes.  The Canadiens are making a habit of playing guys that have no hope of doing something positive:  Moen, Pyatt, Mara…

    Ugh.

    Place me in the decidedly “ANTI” crowd on this deal.

  16. 24 Cups says:

    I just read Dave Stubbs’ article on the upcoming western swing.

    I’ll be happy with three out of six points. If that happens in the first two games, then Price can rest against Vancouver and then come back at home for Toronto and Carolina.

  17. Fansincebirth says:

    Bazinga

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  18. pmaraw says:

    i know its hard to compare the two, but remember when we got breezer back?

  19. Psycho29 says:

    I know most posters are complaining (what else is new) but maybe its just a quick fix until the trade deadline?

     

  20. LeeFree says:

    Well Pierre, you have wasted ink and a 5th rounder on this move. Experience? He’s a minus WHAT? Hasn’t played in how long? Has been a healthy scratch for how many games? This makes absolutely NO sense. It has “lets make a move for the sake of making a move” written all over it. 

  21. fbkj says:

    i would be with you in your position if management was touting the aquisition of mara as the cure to our woes

    he aint

    he is however a depth addition

  22. nick says:

    Ah thats what MTL was missing… Plan the parade.

  23. 24 Cups says:

      “When he’s (Mara) on the ice, the defence corps becomes a defence corpse.”

    Shout-out to Mike Boone.  This line should go into the HI/O hall of fame!

    Chris – What you see is what you get.  The next level of rentals starts with 3rd and 2nd round picks or kids like Kristo.  We are dealing from a position of weakness and everybody in the league knows it.  The team will now try and scratch and claw their way into the playoffs.  The nine point cushion (and Carey Price)  should get us there.

    A point to ponder.  The laffs are six points out of a playoff spot.

  24. G-Man says:

    I would have given Nash a longer look- stupid trade for no reason.

  25. Propwash says:

    Well, look on the bright side, he’s well rested.

  26. Chris says:

    I don’t see Mara as an upgrade on Picard, to be completely honest.  Picard is an absolute roller-coaster…some days he’s decent, other days not so good.

    Mara is pretty much stuck on the “not so good” setting.

    Mara as a depth defenceman is pretty much a neutral move at best, and a negative move if you think he’s done as a player.

  27. G-Man says:

    Now you’re talking! Pass me your meds!

  28. habsgod says:

    this is a safe pickup provides us with a little more depth ,insurance and experience,a 5th round pick is a cheap price to pay considering that the senators wanted pacioretty for phillips

  29. AndyF says:

    What?!!   Paul Mara again.  I thought he was benched and on the IR enough last year.   Why do we have to make him do it all over again this year?    

     

    AndyF

    http://andyfroncioni.com

  30. 24 Cups says:

    Will you Mara me?  JT gives her viewpoint on the Mara “trade”.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-you-mara-me.html

  31. NafSbah says:

    So the trade is:

    Lapierre (ANA stats 16GP 0G 3A -5 ATOI 12:41 RFA) 

    for

    Festerling (HAM stats 16GP 0G 4A EVEN RFA)

    Mara (ANA stats 33GP 1G 1A -1 ATOI 20:10 UFA)

    Not terrible

  32. derfab says:

    Good move. The old guys are banged up and…old. Mara can be a physical presence at a time when our rivals seem to want to up the intimidation ante around the net.

  33. Chris says:

    Okay, but why are we so absolutely locked in to holding on to our 3rd, 2nd or even 1st round picks?  This is a weak draft.  The Habs have an outside shot, but it’s still a shot.  For all we know, they don’t even make the playoffs the next two years…that is how finely tuned the NHL has become.  Despite the injuries, the Habs are sitting in a tie for 7th overall.  They are 7 points out of 3rd overall, but also 7 points out of 20th overall.  Neutral moves when other teams are making positive moves is a very, very dangerous gambit.

    I’m not saying that we trade away any of the assets we are excited about unless we are sure the return is better.  But draft picks are hope, nothing more.  Of the 19 draft picks the habs have made in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft since 2004, 4 are playing for the Habs:  Pacioretty, Subban, Price and White.  Leblanc is the only one of the rest that is pretty much guaranteed to be in the league in a few years…the others all have huge question marks.

  34. observer says:

    i’d say gauthier has now lost it! BUT of course i know he never had it in the first place. — wakey! wakey! he was a healthy scratch for 23 of the last 25 anaheim games and hasn’t played in 30 days since jan. 18.

  35. geo_habsgo says:

    Super good move. While he is nothing special by any means he adds size and strength to our defence and we gave up absolutely nothing for him. The plus is that he has played under Jacques Martin last year so he knows the system and he knows the guys well. Shrewd move PG.

  36. Habfan4lfe says:

    What a bunch of dreamers! but Paul Mara? a very average player.

  37. observer says:

    he already was less than average with the rangers.

  38. observer says:

    mindboggling move. does not improve the team. sounds like something gainey would have done like bringing back useless brisebois. gainey is still there.

  39. geo_habsgo says:

    ahh really? Hadn’t checked his stats at all. Was he injured or anything or was the scratching just because of poor play? That’s scary. 

  40. rob_c says:

    Andrei K, for Sergei!!

  41. observer says:

    tsn last night had those stats listed

  42. 24 Cups says:

    Chris – The fact that the Habs can’t pick the right players shouldn’t negate the value of selecting a 1st rounder.

    I have always viewed the NHL the same way that I judge major league baseball.  I really don’t care what happens in the National League, just like I really don’t about the Western Conference in the NHL.  The only time it matters is when we play those teams and the points that are up for grabs in the standings (like this week).  Otherwise, we play in a 15 team NHL and I judge our chances accordingly.

    I’m not getting into all the details, but as we have discussed before, the Habs best chance of winning a Cup is probably a few years down the road.  In a perfect world, Subban and Price are all-stars and we can then make a few big deals to go for the brass ring.  I’m not sure I want to trade a 1st rounder or a Tinordi/Lebanc when we have so many injuries on defense and guys like Gomez, AK46 and Cammalleri are sucking wind.

    For me, it’s not about having the will, but rather a matter of timing.

  43. Shiloh says:

    Nahlsy!!!! Long time no smell.

  44. Chris says:

    In a perfect world, Subban and Price will be all-stars.  But Atlanta can say the same thing about Pavelec, Kane and Bogosian.  Boston can say the same thing about Rask, Seguin and Colborne.  Toronto can say the same thing of Kessel and Schenn.

    I’m not looking at trading a Tinordi/Leblanc (although I remain bearish on Tinordi…I quite frankly was unimpressed with him when I’ve seen him play).  But we’re looking at drafting in the 20′s in a draft that goes 10 deep according to most scouts.  They could be wrong, but this draft has been compared to that of 2005.

    Of course there could be some great players drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rounds…but the odds go from something like 4 out of 5 for finding an impact player in the top 10, to 2 out of 5 for 11-20, to 2 out of 10, and so on.  By the time you get to the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it is essentially luck.

    Let me be clear:  I’m not talking rentals.  I despise rentals.  I’m talking about using our assets to liberate a 20-27 year old player (the younger the better) who has a ton of potential but isn’t working out where they are.

    Guillaume Latendresse for Benoit Pouliot was such a deal, where it worked out for both teams when both players are healthy.  O’Byrne to Colorado.  Kostitsyn to Nashville.

    Who are some youngsters out there that could perhaps be liberated?  I have to believe Cody Hodgson is available and could help somebody.  Matt Beleskey can’t gain a spot with Anaheim, but has potential:  a good skater, a kid who likes to hit and hits hard, and somebody with scoring pedigree from junior (41 G with Belleville in ihs final year).  He’d be a roll of the dice, but I think that is the kind of deal where you can think about using your draft picks.

    The high cap hits of our top players are going to make it tight to put together a team the next 2-3 years.  The Habs need those younger, cheap players to fill out the roster if they are going to commit $22 M of their cap to 4 forwards, none of whom are elite players.

  45. HaloHabsFan says:

    Just a placeholder until we make the Zac Bogosian trade.

    (e6)

  46. bigdave says:

    If Mara is “not that bad defensively” why was he a healthy scratch for most of the last two seasons(when he wasn’t injured)?

    Until Anaheim got Beauchemin they needed a Dman but Mara wasn’t good enough.

    He also was -16 in his 42 games with the Canadiens.

    If he had any depth value why was he not offered as much as a cup of coffee by Goatier in June?

    Hopefully he will fill a hole in Hamilton, eventually, as he has a rumoured two way contract.

     

     

    “The Allo Police Media – a collection of bitter ex-coaches, players and wannabees whose collective lack of success accounts for their present positions in Sports’ equivalent of a Jerry Springer Show”

  47. Jordio-oh says:

    According to the Fan590, Blake Wheeler and a prospect for Kaberle is hours away from getting done.

     

  48. Corio says:

    BOS doesn’t deserve Kaberle, this deal offends me!  :P  i.e I am jealous..

  49. ManApart says:

    That would be a great move for the Bruins. We get Mara, they get Kabby LOL.

  50. fbkj says:

    the good news about the bruins aquiring kaberle is that its been talked about for how many years now? that, in my neurotic brain, it has disaster written all over it… at least according to murphey’s lulz

  51. habstrinifan says:

    Dredger also said that earlier today.

  52. coachdoug says:

    I hope it happens soon as Leaf trades always bring that “bad Leaf karma” with them…Bruins will plummet in the standings once he steps foot in the dressing room…

     

  53. habs fan for life says:

    As to BOS radio report, my take, FWIW: 0 chance Kaberle deal today; Wheeler not part of it but likely to move elsewhere if Kaberle deal done. Bob Mckenzie  twitter

  54. TomNickle says:

    1. Yay.  He knows the players, he knows the system and he knows the expectations from the coaching staff.  It will be an easy transition which makes the likelihood that he helps the team a lot better than bringing in a player who wasn’t here last season would.

    2. Gionta.  He never takes a shift off, ever.  That’s a great guy for young players to learn from.

    3. For a high second rounder?  I would be okay with it.  For a 2nd round from a playoff bound team I would not be happy.  He has some upside and is inexpensive, and will continue to be inexpensive.

    4. The team wins with Gomez, so shaking things up for cap relief isn’t a great idea.  I understand all of the arguments in favour of doing it.  This is year two of this project(the team as a whole), if they have a repeat appearance in the ECF I think you can justify having Gomez on the team.

    5. Kostitsyn has better value than a second rounder.  If you think we’ll lose him to the KHL I disagree, he did just move his family here, it would appear he wants to be in North America.  I don’t know if Gauthier will trade him.  I’ve seen improvement in him this season and wouldn’t be so quick to move him.  If the right player was coming back, I would, but I wouldn’t move him for a pick.  If I did move him for a pick, it would have to be top 10 in the first round, maybe even top 5.  I know that nobody would trade a top 5 pick for him straight up, but if we had to sweeten the pot a little bit with picks or fringe prospects, I would do it.

  55. savethepuck says:

    Was going to answer but too many of your questions refer to us trading active roster players for future picks.  I have no idea how anyone could think we are, or should be, a seller the next 11 days.

  56. rob_c says:

    1.Yay. I was shocked when I found out we once again picked up Mara, maybe a little disappointed too. That said, I’m not sure any of us can “hate” on this move as a 5th round pick more often then not amounts to nothing. It’s nice to know he wont disrupt the chemistry and in familiar with the system. I think its a safe move by PG.

    2. I wouldn’t consider anyone else an untouchable.  I would like to see Tinordi remain with the Habs, as he will add, size, leadership, toughness, youth, and he’ll be friendly on the cap for years to come. In the salary cap world I think its becoming more and more obvious you need to have young talent with low cap hits to contend nowadays.

    3. No chance, I would of said the same thing before the season started. I’m from Hamilton and seen DD play, its QUITE obvious he isn’t another Corey Locke. 

    4. Its almost playoff time, and I want another deep run. As much as Gomez gets under my skin, I think we’ll be better off with him. (that hurt saying that)

    5. Resign him to a one year contract. He’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of you think. Sometimes I swear we’re not watching the same game. Even last game I didn’t think he played that bad. Yes I know he fanned/broke sticks on some premium scoring chances. And yes I screamed at the TV too, but I thought he was skating well, had a few nice hits, and was backchecking. I’m not a professional scout though, so I could be wrong.

     

  57. Shiloh says:

    1. Yay – can’t have enough bodies on defense.

    2. 5th untouchable – I’ll go with Pouliot, but I also think trading Weber would be a big mistake

    3. I would boo – Desharnais is a really interesting player. He could be a Martin St. Louis in the making – or not.

    4. I would applaud – freeing 4.4 million in cap space is a great idea. Also, we might be able to buy out the clunker we get in return.

    5. How about none of the above? I think a late 2nd rounder isn’t enough, but’s it’s better than nothing. I’m not sure we would have to sign him for the same amount. I guess if I had to choose, I’d take the 2nd-rounder – and that hurts because I really like AK.

  58. observer says:

    1- mara but he cant play! whether for rangers, or last year here or obviously in anaheim where he was scratched 23 of the last 25 games healthy!

  59. geo_habsgo says:

    1) Yay. Smart move. Plugs an immediate hole and gives up nothing.

    2) Cammie. I wouldn’t give him up since I don’t think we’d be able to fetch must better and he is one of our only good finishers on the team, despite his slumping play.

    3) Boo for sure. I have been waiting for Desharnais to come up here for a while and now that he is here he has impressed me. I think he balances out the offence on this team and makes our bottom six more offensively dangerous. Good teams need depth and balance don’t they? He gives us that now so I wouldn’t trade him for someone who can do that for us in another 2-5 years.

    4) Boo. We are stuck with Gomez for a few more years and we have to deal with it. I will take what little upside he has and hope for the best in the playoffs. 

    5) B. I’d like to see him one more year just because I’m a glutton for punishment and keep thinking that each year will finally be the year he breaks out. One more year makes it apparent to him that he is on a short leash and that his play will directly influence his worth on the market. Maybe money will light something under his arse?

  60. JF says:

    1.  Yay

    2.  Gorges

    3.  Boo

    4.  Boo

    5.  b

  61. SmartDog says:

    5 TRADE-RELATED QUESTIONS:

    1. MARA. Sounds to me like most people see the wisdom in this.  Big and tough depth Dman who knows the team, for a 5th rounder.  Just give PG a Yay on this one or if Nay, explain.

    2. UNTOUCHABLES. If you could add a 5th untouchable Hab to the 4 P’s listed yesterday (Pleks, Price, PK, Patches) would you?  If so, who?

    3. DESI DEAL?  If PG traded Desharnais for a high 2nd rounder, would you applaud or boo?

    4. APPLES FOR OTHER APPLES?  If PG traded Gomez for a borderline-NHLer with 3 years at 3 million left on an equally regrettable contract would you applaud or boo?

    5. AT WHAT KOST?  Would you rather a) PG tades AK46 for a late 2nd rounder b) PG resigns AK to a 1-year contract at the same rate c) PG just lets the clock wind down on the contract and probably loses him this summer.

    SD

  62. Displaced says:

    1. worthless, why even bother.

    2. Gionta, he’s the Captain and IMO our leader

    3. n/a.  we wouldn’t get that for him at this point. he’s got upside so we would get current value.

    4. why?  if you’re going to jettison him, get something of value back or stick him in the minors.  (humming the wrong tune, in my case) Nothing for nothing means nothing, you’ve got something if you want to deal with me…

    5. AK as an RFA is worth more than a second.  Not worth $3m plus under JM for us , move him.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  63. Chris says:

    1.  Nay, we saw what he had to offer last year and it wasn’t much.

    2.  There isn’t a single untouchable on this roster. I would trade any of the four you mentioned if the right deal came along.  I think Malkin is going to be available this summer, and I would send Plekanec in that deal in a heartbeat.

    3.  Non-committal.  Desharnais has looked good, but I’m not sold he is a second/third line center on a Stanley Cup winning team.

    4.  There aren’t any out there that I want any more or less than Gomez. 

    5.  I think AK46 could be dealt (Pittsburgh, perhaps Vancouver or Detroit) for a prospect or a 1st rounder at the deadline this year.  There is no way Gauthier lets him go for nothing…he does have some value.  If he’s still here this summer, he gets a qualifying offer and his agent probably takes it for 1 year and then goes the UFA route next summer.  Gorges is also due for UFA status next summer, so that could be another guy that takes a one-year deal.

  64. nick says:

    1. Basically trade Mara for a 5th round pick and a lower first round pick depending on how far MTL makes it into the playoffs.

    2. Gorges.

    3. It’s too early to say…

    4. Probably throw a small parade.

    5. AK has been on pace for about 40 points / 20 goals over the last couple seasons. 3.5 million per year for a 40 point guy who has the most hits on the team… Gionta and Cammy are getting 5 million for 50ish points… All an all it could be worse.

  65. HardHabits says:

    1. How anyone can “nay” to this is beyond me. I think some people here need to check their blood pressure or efill their meds.

    2. Gomez, I know you agree.

    3. Only if that high 2nd rounder gave me some of what he’s having.

    4. Gomez is an orange. Bad analogy.

    5. KOST is an RFA. I say trade him over the summer.

  66. BJ says:

    1) OK deal

    2) Pouliot

    3) I would finance a contact on PG

    4) Do you mean someone like Redden, Lecavalier? I would keep Gomer.

    5) 1 more year.

  67. StevieRay says:

    Cammy and Halak maybe … but Gomez ??? you drinkin’ today CB ??

  68. Storm Man says:

    Did the buzz in those pants tell you this?

  69. CanadienBoy says:

    Gomez was awesome in the playoff last years

  70. fbkj says:

    well he has a ntc so i guess logic would make the next reach

  71. gohabsgo25 says:

    i said free agents and not a trade

  72. Habnofear says:

    PG-BG =EGO. I don’t care what anyone says….Their job is to formulate the Habs with great potential( a team that can beat any team in 7) and with sights set on a Stanley Cup run .And part of that job is to factor in Injury and or any other variable,so with this being said If you think the Habs have Stanley written for 2011 you best not be a Stock Broker,Muse,Realtor, Clairvoyant,Pilot “not mine fo-sure” etc…but the good news is you would make a carbon copy ECKLUND :)

  73. ManApart says:

    if someone wants Gomez and they don’t trade him they would need to be committed. Gainey was a complete incompetent to trade for him in the first place, but to not correct that monumental blunder by not moving him, if the opportunity came along, would be grounds for an investigation into whether they are actually working for the Bruins.

  74. fbkj says:

    richards doesnt want to play here

  75. gohabsgo25 says:

    but reports stated that he is unhappy in mtl because of his lack of production and is not living the hype in playing in a hockey market.

    but i do agree with you. with gomez gone gio is losing his best friend but this is a business and if we get rid of gomez,

    my prediction would be brad richards as a ufa signing

  76. fbkj says:

    nah, i read that he has a list of teams he doesnt want to be traded to in his NTC, yep, were on said list

  77. HardHabits says:

    So says your avatar.

    Dude get real. Gomez was 2nd in points last regular season on the Habs. He, along with Plex, Gio and Cammy led the forwards in ice time minutes and points in the play-offs.

    Gomez was an integral part of last year’s run like it or not.

     

  78. Storm Man says:

    Oh well guess he reads what manapart posts on here and wants nothing to do with this team.

  79. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Well i bet your probably quite jaded then, but I know how ya feel. I live in Buffalo Bills country after all, still clinging to the raft. And Sabre-land, but i left that sunk ship years ago.

    I just don’t understand why a 5th for Mara has anyone this pissed off. He might play under 90 mins the whole season, probably beat 3 heads in, and thatll be it. its a 5th, and we got it for a crappy player who was demanding a trade. and its in 2012! this pick has little to no value even if its packaged.

    BTW, Hopefully you dont take my jab too seriously, i didnt make it personal. some people below are in quite a tizzy, tho. whatever.

  80. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

  81. LA Loyalist says:

    Depth. In case you hadn’t noticed, Hammer, Gill and Spacek are pretty beat up.

  82. MikeL says:

    Weber and AK46 to Nashville for a defenseman. For fun, I’ll say Cody Franson.

    (That’s my wild guess, anyways)

  83. observer says:

    yes, i have observed several of the stupidest moves or trades ever and done by montreal canadiens gms. whether it was drafting wickenheiser over savard, trading chelios for old savard years later, leclair and desjardins to philly …. please dont shoot the messenger because you dont like the message.

  84. LA Loyalist says:

    This is purely a depth move to give Hammer and Gill some bench break time.

    Save the outrage for a bad strategic move (trust me I’ll be ranting too if PG pulls a boner).

  85. adamkennelly says:

    you are probably right – Sutton, Brookbank are up there with Perry and Getzlaf…was just trying to say that in all likelyhood..guys like Sutton and Brookbank could have been had for not much more than we paid for Mara but who knows….also Brookbank has played in less games than Mara and Sutton in 2 more…not exactly Pronger and Lidstrom we are talking about…anyways…

  86. krob1000 says:

    should have been more detailed…let’s say an aging spacek has a nagging injury that has been bothering him for a while, one that he could play through at 85 perent or rest up for a week or two and give his old body a chance to heal and hopefully revitalize him for the stretch run.  At the same time sitting him could give an opportunity for us to showcase Weber or even Nash who IMO is the one of our young dmen who has significant value and is probably expendable.  IS NAsh at 100 precent or Weber at 100 percent really much of a step down if Spatch is playing hurt? O)n Weber….he is Subban lite, we have Nash who can also fire the puck and move it , play a pp and is a bigger body.  Gorges is already undersized…so IMO Weber is not here long term given we are also small up front with our skill guys.  I can;t help but wonder if AK46 is gong to get moved….it may be getting to change of sceenry time for him.  I know his talent level is there and the compete level is there at times but I really think he is frustrated and the organization is frustrated….when the papers crumpled up it can;t be perfect again? Could mean a move is on the horizon and with AK’s track record, potential, cotnract status and a young dman like a Weber and our cap space I would imagine there is some very decent returns available…especially after seeing the going rate of guys like Fisher, Versteeg and Kelly. Perhaps I am wrong..I often am and maybe they like the way Weber has adjusted to his defensive role and think he can also fill a diff’t role down the line but I still think given the fact we have now got 12 dmen who have played with us this year and 11 of them are still “around” in one capacity or another…it makes one wonder. 

  87. MikeL says:

    What if the rookie didn’t work out? Can the rookie fight when Nathan Horton runs over Carey Price?

    It doesn’t hurt having insurance.

    If they’re both only going to play 13 minutes a game, I’ll take the guy that can fight every time, when the discrepancy in all their other skills is not significant – especially after the Bruins incident last week.

  88. Gormdog says:

    You’ve answered your own question Chris.

     

    Gorges changed hands in a deal that had an NHL vet (Rivet) filling a hole.

     

    What makes you think we can get a player like that for a 5th round? The Habs don’t need another project player, that would cost more than the nothing we gave up for Mara. We have anough young projects, and we’re having a great time developing them (properly). So let Nash go back to Hamilton, give our other young guys some experience, and let Mara pseudo fill in for Hal Gill while he is out.

     

    I REALLY don’t see why people are moanin’ about this one. It’s a no-brainer fill in…

  89. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Thanks Chris! lol, see above.

  90. Mark C says:

    Once Gill and Spacek return Mara becomes the 7/8th D with Picard, liked Nash the other night but this team needs more legit NHL D depth heading down the stretch (high probability for future injuries among this D group). As long as Mara doesn’t play over Weber, I’m fine with the trade.

    Getting Franson would make my day. 

     

  91. habs03 says:

    Thank Chris, he posted it 2min before me, lol, ya I know what you mean, but Spacek has played better lately on the 3rd pairing with Weber. I know he is untradeable but hopeful PG can find a way maybe on a team with young D-men.

  92. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    you simply assert that these players are/were available for a 4th like the price is listed on a supermarket shelf. nonsense. mara was the odd man out, while the others actually PLAY. thus, he was expendable for next to nothing. no reason to believe the other players were available for something nearly as menial. having said that, i would rather lose a 5th for mara than a 4th for someone who is marginally better and will not play more than a handful of games.

    also, Habs scratched him when they had enough defensemen to play a game. now, they do not have such a luxury.

  93. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    i have a crystal ball as well, i thought of what kovalev might be worth, looked inside, and saw nothing. either its broken or it works perfectly…

  94. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Oh – and for the record – the 1st Weber I refer to is Shea the second Yannick…
    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  95. Gormdog says:

    WHile you are looking into your GM crystal ball, what is the exact cost of Phillips? Neil? Kovalev?

    … See what i’m getting at?

  96. Kooch7800 says:

    It might just be simple.  We need D men and the prices were too high for some of the others. I am ok with not giving away the farm because with Markov and Gorges out we are in tough to begin with and it is going to be extremely hard to beat a Philly in the playoffs or a Boston.

    Why waste the picks or prospects

  97. patience is a virtue says:

    lol

    fun, but i don’t think PG or JM would risk points/play off position on a trade ruse at this crucial juncture.  not to say there isn’t a bigger trade in the works, just to say i doubt Spacek is staying home during a 3 game road trip to make someone’s head spin…

  98. geo_habsgo says:

    Isn’t Festerling injured though? I thought I heard he was a little while ago..

    But I agree about Basu. Love his stuff.

  99. avatar_58 says:

    @#%#@^$#@^%

    I mean oh hai Mara

  100. Chris says:

    I was wary of Mara’s “physicality” last season when everybody was raving about his addition.  After watching him on the Habs blue line, his version of physical play is exactly what we don’t need.  He runs around looking for big hits and gets burned. 

    Mara is at his most effective when he DOESN’T play physically, because he can then focus on his positioning.  Part of the reason Hal Gill is so non-physical is he simply is not an NHL-calibre skater:  he can’t get back into position quick enough to be useful if he plays a physical game. 

    Mara might be even slower than Gill.

  101. fbkj says:

    you summed it up best

    Not a trade that will set the world ablaze, and I doubt that was it’s intention.

  102. patience is a virtue says:

    Totally agree with the first paragraph Mark.  Solves two problems in one stroke at almost no cost – a finger in the leaking D-dyke, and some fist in the face of those who would seek to vicitimize our smurfs and kiddies.

    I am still holding out for AK-Cody Franson, but maybe the Goat is going for a winger…

     

     

     

  103. adamkennelly says:

    if you are going to bother doing this PG – why not Sutton or Brookbank…both bring more than Mara and so what – it costs you a 4th instead of a 5th…I realize the whole “the devil you know” scenario but when you knew this devil – you scratched him all the time.

  104. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    OK consider me schooled. Some of the NHL contract rules are nonsense to me compared to seemingly better organized sports, and i will put this one in that category, but it is what it is. Thanks for the enlightenment.

    However, if he doesn’t retire, he is still nearly untradeable and is still taking a roster spot better filled by others. So I still would be content if he did. He has no real purpose on this team beyond this season. Is there any kind of managerial move that CAN be done? I imagine we can’t bury him in the minors, and it wouldn’t be very classy anyhow…

  105. Chris says:

    I just wish that we could trade for players where my hopes for a surprise might actually pan out instead of being the ones that more often than not give them up.

    When the Habs picked up Gorges, nobody was particularly impressed.  But Gorges is now one of the team’s most popular players.

    These are the kind of guys I would rather see Gauthier rolling the dice on…the early-mid 20′s guys who don’t seem to fit into their organization’s plans.  Guys like Mathieu Carle for us.

    One kid I would be interested in is Ryan Parent…he’s bounced around, but he was a solid defensive defenceman for Guelph in the OHL (he was absolutely dominant in that role) and Canada at the World Juniors.  He partnered Drew Doughty with the Storm and had the skating ability and defensive awareness to cover for Doughty’s frequent forays into the opposing zone.  Nobody skated at him…they always went to Doughty’s side.  He’s not physical, just positionally strong in the Jacques Laperriere school of defence.

    The Canucks can’t call him up as he is waiver eligible and they really don’t want to lose him, but maybe they would be willing to trade for him.

  106. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Meh. Not a trade that will set the world ablaze, and I doubt that was it’s intention.

    Some depth, some toughness, some size which (and correct me if I’m wrong) is exactly what the whining contingent of this site was screaming for after the Bruins game.

    No he’s no Pronger or Weber or whatever, but he cost us nothing and still leaves cap space for something a little bigger.

    Aaaaand we didn’t have to give up any of the young ‘uns we have for him. I had a nagging feeling that Webers name was out there…

    Welcome back indeed PM. Go get ‘em.

    ……

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  107. sidhu says:

    Basu (who is becoming a must-read for me) is spot on about Festerling — he was supposed to be the insurance we needed if players went down, and yet Nash was called up ahead of him and we now trade for Mara.

    I’m hoping PG makes a bigger splash for a tough forward to skate with Gomez and Cammy, and somehow get rid of AK46 in the process.

  108. krob1000 says:

    I can’t help but wonder if this move means that we are dealing one of Weber or Nash in a package.  Coincidental timing, ghost injury to Spatch could have been a rest and a showcase of Nash, or a glimpse of Nash to see if Weber is expendalbe> This trade actually makes the head spin…and wonder what is up….could just be an injury plug like it appears but that isn’t fun enough so let’s work on the conspiracy theories instead.

  109. Mattyleg says:

    After intellgent commentary like that, I think I shan’t be checking out the youtube link.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  110. Jimmy9Toes says:

    I actually like this trade. Although Mara is not an Allstar by any stretch, he is a warm body as some of you have posted. If anyone thinks we could pick up Phillips, ( from my hometown ), or Brewer or anyone other D man worth trading for, for a 5th round pick, you are just as dillusional as most Leaf fans who think every team wants there garbage.

  111. Gormdog says:

    Either you think Nash has got it, or you don’t.

     

    If he has it, as previous posters have mentionned, he has already played way more games his season than he is used to. Decent burn out chance.

    For his development, he is much better served playing in Hamilton. It doesnt hurt to have SOME experience in this depleted lineup, and one of those words you used to describe Mara (physical) is something that is sorely needed. His “slowness” is an element we have to deal with in many of our defencemen, but his ability to be strong and nasty is a “plus” that could very well keep him in the lineup if he plays up to his abilities.

     

     

     

  112. habs03 says:

    “I for one am hoping Spacek sees the light at the end of the tunnel and calls it quits this off-season. Frankly”

    That would be the worst thing possible, since he signed his contact after his 35 birthday, his cap hit stays no matter what, even if he retires.

  113. HabFanSince72 says:

    Agreed, although I guess there is always the hope that Mara will surprise us. But pair him with the Wiz and we will have more turnovers than the Pillsbury factory.

     

  114. Fab Gilly says:

    New Kid on the Habs commentary block, fun ,entertaining, check it out, more to come soon.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/user/FabolousGilly#p/u

     

    Paul Mara, way to go PG your taking a page out of Sam Pollock book. who is next, Janne Niinimaa 


     

  115. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    at the rate their value is plummeting, more so now that their ownership is BEGGING and PLEADING for buyers/investors, I think Bonhomme could afford the Thrashers with whatever spare bills were falling out of that briefcase he was sporting on the cover of that Maclean’s rag you northerners read a few months back.

    Speaking of that, I bought my collector’s edition at my neighborhood Duty Free but didn’t get to QC in time for Carnaval and my autograph… bullsjit.

    Also, he should be the team mascot when they return. really, why the F* not?

  116. Bugs says:

    Does this mean Nash ain’t playin?

  117. Chris says:

    Even if Spacek retires, his cap hit remains on the books because he was signed as a 35+ UFA. 

  118. HabsFanMTL says:

    Paul Mara is a big boy and he can drop the gloves lol..

  119. krob1000 says:

    he is a pressbox vet who can make paper fighter jets capable of taking down a Ryder plane before a camera has a chance to even pan to it….he is here for damage cotnrol for sure…..on the negative side we have to make sure Carey Price isn’t in the pressbox too or Mara will fall on him (have you ever seen anyone fall on their own goalie as much as Mara last year?)

  120. cashbagg says:

    I suspect that was sarcasm.

    If not, what do you base your claim that “he’s good on outdoor ice” on??? Heresay from his childhood friends?

     

    **edit** Reread your comment after a coffee – definitely sarcasm. I am chuckling.

  121. Bugs says:

    Lookin up on my boy’s recent activities (hey, what can I say), I came across this Les Affaires report on the corporations who could conceivably bring back the Nords to QCity (Quebecor, Telus, Rogers, BCE). Mostly economic gobble-dee-gook for me but may interest some of you circus animals.

    http://www.lesaffaires.com/blogues/francois-pouliot/francois-pouliot-qui-peut-serieusement-ramener-les-nordiques/524759/1

  122. Bugs says:

    Great mascot idea! Boy, THAT would stick it to Andrew Coyne, seein Bonhomme prancing up and down the siles, sellin hot-dogs at 55 dollars a pop…

  123. kempie says:

    Typical Ghostlike move. Nobody saw it coming. And relax peops, it’s just another warm body to play D. With names like Markov, Georges, Gill, Spacek out, eventually you’re going to hear names like Mara and Nash. You’re not going to pick up Bogosian or Jovanovski for a 5th round pick two years from now. I’m glad that PG is smart enough to get a body with a pulse and not panic by trading away futures for a rental that doesn’t fit into the big picture. Not now.

  124. Mark C says:

    re Carle: Think you might be reading a bit too much into that, if I’m not mistaken Carle is wavier eligible (Nash was not), the organization might be protecting him knowing he’d likely be sent down.

  125. Chris says:

    Here’s why I hate this deal:  a veteran, experienced, big and physical pylon is still a pylon.  Mara is not getting any better…he is what he is.

    This trade all but signifies the end of Mathieu Carle in Montreal.  If he can’t get a call-up with the team in this predicament, then he never will.

    If this trade was just the equivalent of an emergency call-up until Gill returns, then I am okay with it.  But I won’t be surprised if Mara becomes a regular on the blue-line.  Faced with the prospect of a veteran, experienced, big and physical pylon (Paul Mara) versus a rookie (Brendon Nash) that has some size and can skate and has played a 4 year career in Division I NCAA against 20-25 year olds, I’ll take the rookie. 

  126. Kooch7800 says:

    I think Nash will be going back to the Hammer.  He needs time to develop but I think he will make a great addition to this team in the very near future

  127. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Nothing personal toward him, though I am less than impressed by this supposed offensive-defenseman’s actual offense, I for one am hoping Spacek sees the light at the end of the tunnel and calls it quits this off-season. Frankly, there is not (or should not be) roster space for him or room for his inflated salary.

    We have Subban, Weber, and almost assuredly Gorges returning (While Im at it, I would dare to suggest Weber is better than Spacek given his inexperience and would benefit from a stronger, tougher partner, probably even Mara).

    Hopefully, Wisniewski is re-signed, and I would much rather have Spacek’s 3.75 mil sent toward Gill and a price-reduced Hamrlik. Markov is a wild card, but i expect to see him under contract as well.

    This gives us…

    Gill – Subban

    Gorges – Wisniewski

    Hamrlik – Weber …and a potentially healthy Markov replacing one of these last three. Spacek is the worst among 8, and with the Habs unlikely to find a trade partner and with deteriorating health approaching 38 years old by next fall for Jaro, I think it would be best for everyone. But who passes up their final paycheck of nearly 4 mil for health’s sake, eh?

  128. cashbagg says:

    I agree. I stopped reading mid post. Smug-city.

  129. Mark C says:

    I think this is a pretty solid depth move that fills a few areas of need. Toughness, while Mara isn’t Chris Pronger, he is a pretty tough physical D-man who is more than willing to stick up for his teammates. Penalty killing, Mara has been a pretty effective PKer this season having be on the ice for 5.82 goals per 60 minutes.  Which is the second best number among Ducks D who have been on for more than 5 goals allowed.

    If you were on the Chris Phillips bandwagon you should love this trade. Mara and Phillips are almost the same player at this point, and had Philips been trade the cost would have been much greater.

  130. king ddd says:

    hope mara plays the march 8th game so he can beat up that weasle cambell with his elbow pad

     

    ** Buck Fruins **

  131. Gormdog says:

    I like the deal…

    Mara will be HUNGRY. Well, hungry-ish. I’m sure he is well aware of the Boston beatdown and some of the headlines and outcries in Montreal for more toughness.

    Mara might be a very angry player for us – Experienced, sized, disrespected by being a healthy scratch in ANA, and lastly, pissed off that he came and left Montreal without a wimper.

    It’s a no risk / some reward trade. Nothing to dislike here.

  132. Mattyleg says:

    Thanks for the heads-up everyone, I’ll avoid reading the posts further down the page.

    Nothing the ding-dong crew likes worse than being ignored.

    Mara, eh?? Huh. Well go figger.

    I’m happy enough with this. A fifth-rounder is a real spin of the wheel, so we essentially got him for a scratchcard.

    I liked Mara when he was here, and I was sorry that he didn’t get more of an opportunity with us. My only real concern is that he’s happy to be back. I got the feeling that he wasn’t happy here the last time (scratched often etc.) and was pretty pissed off with the way his injury was treated. I hope we can make him feel welcome again.

    His veteran presence will help our junior defence-corps.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  133. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Felt bad for Mara last time out - injuries and a less than stellar start cut him out of the picture before he had a chance to settle in and contribute.

    Thinking how significant this road trip is. If the Habs were to lose all three, there would be less discussion about a division lead and more discussion about playoff hopes in general. Habs may not be a Cup contender this year, but anything less than a playoff seed would be viewed as a disaster for Mgmt and Ownership group.

    Mara does not have the same skill level as Spacek, but much better than having 3 of your 6 Dman in the rookie category. Although some here might say “let em’ play”, that really only works if we are talking the Oil or Isles, giving the boys some experience with little to lose and a lottery pick in sight.

    A familiar setting for Mara and a do-over to show if he still has the tools to be an effective 3rd pair Dman in the NHL. In my view, an upgrade over Picard when the Dman get healthy.

    Low risk move – Good job PG.

     

  134. king ddd says:

    take picar out of the line up ffs hes horrible, hes like an even sh*tier version of MAB

     

    ** Buck Fruins **

  135. Kain292 says:

    Sorry I’m late! I started by reading the comments. From what I gather, we traded our entire first line and Price for this guy, right? That’s why everyone is exploding?

    Jebas, people. Its a 5th rounder. We lost nothing here.

    Being a Habs fan is a way of life, and a great one at that.

  136. krob1000 says:

    Mara is really good on outdoor ice and plays better on Pacific time…. Shrewd move given the timing

  137. Habsrule1 says:

    Nice post, CFT.

    I like this move if only for toughness 5 minutes a game.

    What I’d really like is Carkner (how serious is his recent injury?) and Neil from Ottawa. We probably need a top-6 forward too, but this ain’t Christmas.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  138. Psycho29 says:

    Post of the week….

    :-)

  139. Gormdog says:

    I wouldn’t go as far as saying horrible…

    He has some skills and can often make good decisions, his problem is his skating…

    Top speed is pas pire but his pivot/first few steps? Very, very feeble for a healthy NHL d man in his 20′s…

    Best part is, Mara will come in angry…

  140. mrhabby says:

    5th round pick is a drop in the buck. he adds much needed help back there instead of relying on the kiddies as much as the club does.

  141. Chris says:

    The only thing I can conclude is that Gauthier has decided he needs a veteran mentor for the kids in the press-box.  :)

  142. Barts says:

    Wow, this is a very ‘hip’ post. Had time to kill on your MacBook at Starbucks? You know the great thing about message boards? You get to relay how you feel, and hopefully have some meaningful discussion with others who may, or may not feel the same way. If you don’t like what is being posted here, then don’t participate. But don’t generalize and belittle, especially in that ‘street’ vernacular with a smug sense of self-assuredness. It just makes you sound stupid.

    Out.

  143. king ddd says:

    for people moaning about this trade, you have to realise having mara is better than losing weber for a rental dman

      ** Buck Fruins **

  144. BJ says:

    As it may not be a great pick up its adequate. Would any one want to trade our young assets for a 2 month band aid without knowing if we really have a crack at the Cup? I don’t. Would you trade Pacioretty for Philips or Kaberle? My answer is no way. I wouldn’t even trade Weber for a 2 month UFA loaner. Lets say we had acquired a Cammalleri to help out our offense for the last months of the year, would that have been an OK acquisition? The answer is yes and he’s coming back to us a no cost. My point is that if we added our valued injured players to the roster we would be giving PG a standing ovation. The reality is that we have lost 3 key players and 2 of which are out for the season. And to replace them at par would comprise our future (one that has taken 2 decades to replenish). The only intelligent trades to make at this point would be to improve on Gomez and AK 46, the key word being “improve” if not whats the point. So unless we can trade one or both of those guys and maybe add a Pyatt to the package for a real improvement I say lets live with what we have. Or maybe try to get a Konopka for a 4th rounder and resign him next year instead of Halpern.

  145. samTHEman says:

    I read somewher yesterday that Gill is making the trip but any indication if he’s good to go for tonight?

  146. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    A few more ventilations…

    To Stubbs, Boone… come get your kiddies under control, theyre having tantrums and the sane among as can’t handle them all

    To Observer… stop participating and return to observing. i think it suits you best… I mean, it MUST.

    To Gauthier (and i know you are reading, just KNOW it)… dont make any stupid trades, and watch out there are 50 teenagers here and theyre all applying for your job, FYI. Watch yo’ back, Goat.

    To the hyper-critical Masses, the Scotty Bowman’s of Virtual NHL Hockey… you lack grey matter. And apparently lives. Anything better to have a hissy fit over? Arent your boyfriends cheating on you or something?

    Out

  147. dhenry1234 says:

    haha this old timer is jokes

  148. Displaced says:

    Forget that those players may have not been available.  I accept that a fifth is pretty worthless.  I accept that we gave away Laps (perhaps he was worhtless too).  But seriously, why even bother with Mara does he have ANY value here?

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  149. Chris says:

    I’m moaning because we’ve already kicked the tires on this jalopy.  It was a lemon.

    We tried this out last year, bringing in Mara as a depth defenceman.  He stunk out the joint.  He did not bring any toughness whatsoever…he stood around during the scrums.  When he tried to hit, he more often than not missed the guy he was aiming for.

    Why is he going to do any differently this season?

    I’m all for band-aids.  I couldn’t care less about the 5th round draft pick.  I just don’t understand bringing in a player that for all intents and purposes brings nothing of value.  Is this edition of Paul Mara REALLY any better than Nash or Festerling or Klubertanz, guys we could have played to see what we’ve got in them?

  150. patience is a virtue says:

    Mine too.  I gotta believe AK is on the block and that Nashville is the destination of choice.  Their offensive is more desperate than ours and they have experience rehabbing Kostitsyns. 

    They better not do it for Dumont.  I want Franson.  Give them a pick too if necessary.  If they make us take the slumping Dumont and his salary, don’t give them DD or Eller – that’s what they’ll be after.  Maxwell and/or Carle and/or a pick.

    The Preds are solid on the backend and deep in D prospects (Ellis, Blum).  We can get Franson.

    The D next year could be:

    Markov (hope!) – Gorges

    Subban – Franson (or Gill, if this trade doesn’t happen)

    Weber – Hammer (for $2.5M)

    Spacek

     

    Unfortunately, I don’t think we can afford The Wiz’s top 10 dman points ($4+M), nor his defensive short-comings

  151. lefreak says:

    he will come in handy when the bruins come to town.

    this is a depth move, nothing more, nothing less. Posters on here are not viewing it as such.

  152. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Completely agree. Lateral movement with no advancement. I believe, for the last three years, that has been the new motto hanging above the player stalls.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  153. matrags says:

    right on Chris this is at best a lateral move , a stop gap I hope . Somewhere sometime this team neds to make a hail mary and try to catch the bras ring . I fear we are on the cusp of a third rebuild in six yrs . This  from a team that went to the conference final last year. Compared to Philly and even Boston we have been very tentative and I feel another opportunity is passing us by.

  154. ManApart says:

    I agree. I don’t see where people justify the trade by saying he’s an improvement on Picard. He simply isn’t. Probably the opposite. Also, where is everyone getting that Mara is a physical defenseman. Last year he was big and SOFT. He didn’t show any kind of physicality beyond the norm.

  155. Jordio-oh says:

    So far this year he has more hits per game than any other D-man on our team, except for Subban.

    And last year he was 3rd on our team in hits per game, behind Gill and O’Byrne.

    But at 50 hits in 42 games, your point is taken.

  156. ManApart says:

    But my point is it didn’t show that. Gill had more hits per game than Mara last season, and we all know Gill is as soft as they come. So if according to your stats, Gill is more physical than Mara, then what is Mara. a marshmellow?

  157. lefreak says:

    this is where we agree:)

    the rebuild is going good, lets sail this ship and not jump the gun…because there won’t be a parade this year even if we do.

  158. Jordio-oh says:

    yeah who needs stats when we have all of Mara’s previous games blurred into one big generalization.

    I did say your point was taken, btw.

    I just thought i’d show a few stats that note although Mara isn’t Chara, he is a bit more physical than you were alluding to.

  159. habstrinifan says:

    A ‘slight improvement is better than NONE’. Why is ‘NONE’ the only other alternative.

  160. Chris says:

    I don’t want a big trade.  If we’re going to make trades, I prefer it to be for younger players.

    I just don’t want useless trades.  In my opinion, this was a useless trade. 

     We’d have been better off calling up Mathieu Carle (he can come up through re-entry waivers but can’t be sent back down without risking losing him) for the rest of the season to see what he’s got after ~200 AHL games.

  161. lefreak says:

    i’m not saying he is a heavyweight, but he is better at dropping them than anyone else we have right now.

    not saying much i know…

    the reality is carey is going to be getting runs taken at him for the rest of the year because other teams have seen the boston game. a slight improvement in toughness is better than none.

     

    that big trade you all want is not going to happen guys!

  162. ManApart says:

    Hits per game doesn’t really tell the story, as told by Gill having more than Mara. If Gill is more physical than Mara, that tells the whole story. Anyways, I don’t need any stats. I saw every game he played last season. he is definately not a physical presence.

  163. TheDagger says:

    Psshhh…. facts.

  164. Chris says:

    Once again, I disagree.  I was excited about his physicality last year, only to watch him stand around more often than not.

    Here are the guys that Mara has fought since the lockout. 

    Darcy Tucker. (x2)  Jack Skille.  Gilbert Brule.  Patrick Kaleta (x2).    Chuck Kobasew.  Arron Asham.  Mike Richards.  Christoph Schubert. 

    Two additional fights saw Mara get jumped by Nick Boynton (after Mara cross-checked a teammate) and David Clarkson.

    This is not a guy who is going to fight the heavyweights.  He never has.  Check out the comments on Mara over at Hockeyfights.com.  Most of their regulars have little but disdain for Mara’s “toughness”.

    I was always disappointed in his ability to keep traffic out of the front of the net.  As somebody pointed out, Mara is not all that strong on his skates and often ended up being pushed into Price.  That’s definitely not what the team needs.

    As I said, I hope to eat my words, and I’ll be the first to say mea culpa if and when that happens.  But he’s going to have to show a lot more than he did with the Habs last year before I do that.  As long as this is just a temporary thing, I’m okay with him being here.  But if he ends up getting significant playing time, I suspect we’re in trouble.

  165. TomNickle says:

    This means Spacek is out long term me thinks.

  166. forskis says:

    I do not get the rage from Habs fans and the hate from the Hab-bashing trolls out in cyberspace…it was a trade to shore up the blueline and all it cost the team was Anaheim’s own 5th round pick of 2012, NOT 2011…

    Some people see this trade as indicative of the continued downward spiral of the Habs….first of all, I did not even know that the Habs were in a spiral downwards and second of all…it is a FIFTH ROUND PICK…if a 5th rounder is “the farm”…then the Habs are in worse trouble than we all thought.

    Mara also did ok with the Habs….he had 8 assists in the first 8 games of the season!

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  167. J_P says:

    Seriously…Well the habs didnt play last night so I guess its a slow news team.  I guess the people need their habs fix.

     

    This trade is so insignificant its not even funny.  I cant believe what kind of big deal people are making for trading a 2012 5th rounder (not even a 2011 5th rounder) for Paul Mara.  Its a depth move.  It’s not like PG made the trade assuming Mara was the missing piece the habs need to win the cup!

     

  168. habsgod says:

    unfortunately this is the only move we’ll gauthier make,he’s not a big fan of trade dealine day he likes to make his moves before the deadline this however isn’t bad as it provides us with depth when the team is healthy for the playoffs (i mean with) spacek,gill  and cammalleri back you can’t have enough depth!so it’s not a bad deal! ask yourselves this would you rather give up a 5th r.d pick for mara or give up pacioretty for phillips? i think i’d rather give up the 5th and keep pacioretty!

     what do you guys think?

  169. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Could be worth it just to have him in the lineup on March 8, hopefully he’ll have someones back when the Boston goons start going mental after we’ve scored our 4th goal.  Either way it’s only a fifth rounder, the way our D has dropped like flies this year could be a wise move to stock up on D-men.

  170. TheDagger says:

    Posted this earlier. Not too worried about a 5th rounder.

    Of the 401 5th Round Draft picks from 1990-2005:

    66 (16%) have played 100 or more games…

    16 (4%) have 200 or more points…

    321 (80%) haven’t laced them up at all!

  171. rob_c says:

    Markov

    Gorges

    Hamrlik

    Spacek

    Subban

    Gill

    Weber

    Wizniewski

    Piccard

    Mara

     

    Crazy how many NHL defenseman we have on this team now. Next year sure will be interesting. It kills me knowing the spaceman still has one more year on his contract.

  172. Rugger says:

    Assuming Markov, Gorges Healthy and we can’t unload Spacek I think it would come down to Hammer vs Gill.  Pos. & neg to each.

  173. Timo says:

    I say Habs have finally found the missing piece for their Stanley Cup run this year.

  174. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Yes, it was unfair of me to call you a moron. But i at the time you posted, it wasnt quite a dogpile. assuredly with all things hi/o it has now regressed into that. you must know your way around here.

    anyway i just dont think we should let things slide as easy as you might, its more dangerous for public conversation than the ignorant comments that start. but i also dont think we should nail people to a cross either… this place causes unnecessary mental stress. Comment = Bad, Person = ??? not for us to determine. i quit

  175. krob1000 says:

    People are mentioning trade partners…I think the Duchene injury all but signifies the end in Colorado….Hejduk is on the block IMO. I would love to have him, he is not a fighter but is great down low, goes to dirty areas and does it with a deft touch.  HE is a skilled enough guy that he could fit in with any center IMO.  I would target him for sure.

  176. jennifer1984 says:

    haha.

    thanks bugs.

    im done, no worries!

  177. habs001 says:

    well hopefully mara provides some help but as i recall was he not the worst plus/minus on the team last year on d and he was making so many errors on d when he played.

  178. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I like the guy’s writing, as i stated. I do. and there are definitely plenty of nitpickers out there, but i wouldnt consider this nitpicking. A fallacy or lack of foundation for an entire article is a mistake worthy of mention. it is journalism, be it meaningless sports or otherwise, and with the job comes accountability. If youre gonna write about why a guy isnt playing, its best to find out why the guy’s not playing. Having said that, its one short aricle about an insignificant trade. Im not calling for his head, just noting the issue. I was more making a joke than leveling harsh criticism

  179. Bugs says:

    Holy sh…

    That’s f***in incredible!!!

  180. Chris says:

    Teemu was better than Foppa, in my mind.  I love both guys, but Forsberg benefitted from playing with a pretty stacked supporting cast for a few years.

    Forsberg was a much better defensive player, but Selanne has the rarest talent of all, the ability to score goals.

    Best rookie EVER?  Hard to say.  I never saw Bobby Orr or Gordie Howe or Wayne Gretzky in their rookie years.  Mario Lemieux was a pretty amazing rookie.  Tony Esposito’s rookie season is pretty phenomenal statistically (although I wasn’t around to see it), as was Ed Belfour’s (although he was quite a bit older when he did it).

    It’s certainly one of the best, but comparing between generations is tough.

  181. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I think trading away Alex Henry would be controversial on here…

    This 5th round pick had very little value. For one, very few of these players make it to the NHL as someone detailed statistically below. Second, the Apocalypse of 2012 will have the world at its knees before the prophecized Mr. Hockey of the 5th Round finds his permanent skate size. Duh.

    Basically any aerobic organism that finds its way onto the ice surface is in all likelihood more vaulable than this pick.

    I bet Stubbs only posted this trade news out of employer coercion, and hes probably really PO’d that he had to wake up for it.

  182. Ian Cobb says:

    OByrne  could not keep the puck in the rink or play Martin’s game plan.!

  183. TheDagger says:

    While I disagree with you (solid depth d-man for a 5th is a good move), I am in full agreement with your profile pic.

  184. TomNickle says:

    Because O’Byrne wasn’t working out despite numerous chances.  There was no room for him anymore and we actually got younger and faster in that deal, since that’s your criteria for a good trade I thought I’d throw that in.  I didn’t realize Mara was slow by the way, he’s looked pretty quick anytime I’ve seen him.

  185. Bugs says:

    Oh, c’mon, Miss J, if what you said was truly offensive, you’d have more than one cat after you, no?

    You apologized once, we all know how nice you are and that you didn’t mean nuthin. You’re done now, ok?

  186. TomNickle says:

    You can’t make a comment like that in public and not expect backlash.  And you have absolutely tried to rationalize it to this point.  But whatever.  Probably speaks more of you for defending a comment like that than it does her for saying it.

  187. TomNickle says:

    Nothing racist.  And wishing you could take it back has nothing to do with the sincerity of the opinion.  Your comments indicate that you are a racist, and a willingness to publish those comments in a forum like this speak to a lack of sensitivity to the subject.

    Wishing you could take the comment back doesn’t render it irrelevant, nor does it justify it, make it okay or mean that you weren’t expressing your true feelings.

    Trying to back off of the comment by saying you meant no harm is taking it even further by insulting everyone who took issue with the comment.  When you offend somebody with a comment like that, you can’t just say, “oh, I didn’t mean any harm”.  The cat is out of the bag.  If you had the nerve to make the comment in the first place it’s obvious that it’s how you feel.  And you can’t take it back.

  188. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Disagree, people say stupid things all the time, whites, minorities, everyone. I think its a disservice to race relations to pretend that we are not all capable of being insensitive. we are. there is not a soul on earth who has not said something they either did not mean or didnt think through fully. that being said, i was the first to call out the poster for the original comment. The comment is indefensible, but that doesnt mean the person is as well.

  189. Bugs says:

    I dunno..; though he only played one game, Nash showed me more than Mara did all year.

  190. J.J. of Turku says:

    I’m not too excited about Huselius. Hope this is just another rumour/joke…

  191. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Not really defending her/his judgement, clearly it was poor judgement. But a dogpile is a dogpile and i don’t think its fair that everyone attack someone who probably feels like a real dummy for posting it in the first place. Lesson learned, move on.

    But thank’s for calling me a moron and an idiot and makes me respect your opinion so much more;-)

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  192. jennifer1984 says:

    and it’s not the “pointing out” that has got me feeling the way i am.

    its the fact that i made a mistake, i’ve apologized (sincerely, honestly) and would like to move on.

    i could have ran away and wrote nothing else but i didn’t.

    i just want people to know im truly sorry and that’s it.

    the end.

  193. Mattyleg says:

    Read Basu’s article.

    And D-men get better as they get older. More able to read the play. We have too many young d-men, which is a liability.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  194. TomNickle says:

    I agree Bugs.  If he doesn’t bloody the first guy taking liberties with our players when he has the opportunity, I’ll be disappointed.  It’s what he’s here to do.  That and be effective defensively.

  195. Hobie Hansen says:

    There was a time when a reporter watched a game from the press box and wrote an article about what he saw…Basu’s job trying to cover all the transactions, cap space issues and all that crap is more along the lines of player agent/capologist/financial consultant/reporter. On top of it he has to worry about HIO and other websites where people nit pick every little things he writes 10,000 times over.

     

    He’s the best in the business for sure and does a great job of putting up with 100,000 back seat drivers day…

     

  196. JD_ says:

    Strangely enough, the letters in this mornin’s bowl of Alpha-Bits® swirled together to form, “Andrew Berkshire ain’t goin’”, although, again, it was more swirly and not the linear form to which this inflexible website forces me to begrudgingly conform.

  197. Ian Cobb says:

    What we have here is a seasoned vet that is strong defensively, defence man. With 4 of our top 4 D out of the lineup for a considerable length of time, it was a much needed move. 

    The kids could only fill it for so long. The only real cost to us sent to the Ducks, was Max Lapierre.

  198. krob1000 says:

    can’t be much….Fisher got a late 1st and lats 3rd, Kelly a late 2nd …and both of these guys were signed at reasonable rates for another year….I would suspect high end would be a 2nd pick if there is a bidding war but a 3rd or a reasonable mid grade prospect would likely do it…I would pay more if I thought he would sign in the offseason but he has been in Colorado along time and I can see him resigning there next year…he would likely be a rental in the truest sense so I would try kicking tires with Maxwell who IMO is a decent talent but will fall through the cracks in Montreal because of our logjam at center and end I think he’ll end up a 3rd line center and have a stable career elsewhere.  Colorado would be a good fit with their youth IMO.  carle is also a possibility at this stageof the game…maybe throw in a mid pick with of these guys and get Foote too? There are a ton of dmen and available players it seems this time around as teams are getting the cap system more and more each year….the value of picks ahs never been hihger and IMO that is a an opportunity as I don;t see the picks as that valuable unless you are competely rebuilding…for a team like us….we can get by…we are realtviely stiooked and have solid blocks on D and in nets, we have Pleks ,Gio, Cammi locked up long term and PAcioretty and POuliot aare wildcards, we have plenty coming down the pipe for the foreseeable future too…..I think we are in a position to buy. Hejduk would be a rental and I would rather got eh hockey trade route as well if Andrei K is involved but I think Hejduk would be a great renatl for a team like us and the price appears at this stage anyway to be reasonable based on other transactions.

  199. Les-Habitants says:

    Totally….what skill, but if you thought kovalev was hot/cold, mann…wait and see

  200. Bugs says:

    Name mentioned as top 6 material coveted: Huselius. He’s got 12 goals.

    Draw your own comparisons with our Boys.

  201. CanadienBoy says:

    Eller no way try Pyatt

  202. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    F signed Gomez/gio/plek/cammy/moen/huselius

    Cap hit: 28 mil so say 30 mil for the top 6 (counting gomez) because pac will get a bit of a raise

    Def signed Spacek/Subban/Klesla/ 

    Cap hit: 7.8 mil

    Cap next season suppose to be 62 mil, so 26.2 mil left Rest of the Forwards:

    Pouliot 1.5 mil Max pac 1.2 mil DD 875 K White 850 K Pyatt 850 K Darche 850 K 4th line Center ???

    Total Cap for forwards: 34 mil

    Wis 4 mil Gorges 4 mil Hammer/markov/gill ??? (I think we keep marky and cya hammer/gill) say markov 1 yr 4-5 mil

    Total Cap for Def: 20.8 mil Total Cap Forwards: 34 mil + Total Cap Def 20.8 mil + Total cap Goalies 2.75 (+ 2mil backup?)= 4.75 mil

    TOTAL CAP = 59.5 Mil

    2011-2012 Team

    Pac-Pleks-Gio 

    Cammy- Gomez- Huselius

    Pouliot- DD- White

    Moen- ?? – pyatt

    PK –Markov

    Gorges-Klesla

    Wis- Hammer/Gill

    Price

    ????

    and I’m in a really boring 3 hr class lol hence the elaborative post

  203. Bugs says:

    Answer question 2, please.

    Don’t be so wishy-washy.

  204. rhino514 says:

    Some years you make moves, some you don´t. This year the Habs strengthened themselves immensely though the farm system, moreso then almost any other team will strengthen themeselves by the trade deadline. They basically just added a top six power forward (pacioretty) a guy who is playing like a top six center (desharnais) and a borderline number six defenseman (Weber). ANd don´t forget Subban a top two defenseman who wasn´t with the regular season team last year.

    It doesn´t make sense to be a buyer in this situation. If you buy now, then you are buying every season and you end up with no draft picks or prospects. Good non-move by the habs.

    Don´t forget that they also went out and got wisniewski. If he were tout there now he´d be one of the biggest names available.

    And yes, they probably would have tried to get one more missing piece if Gorges and Markov were around, but even then they are a very talented team and it´s always a gamble to disrupt the good chemistry on this team.

    The question: which 6 defensemen stay on next year??

    Habs probably can´t afford to re-sign both wisniewski and markov, damn it would be great to have them both! If they somehow do sign both, then either Gill or Hamrlik have to go, and probably Weber goes

    They have to keep Spacek because of his contract.

    For those that say Montreal isn´t one of the best teams in the league, they are a top 8-10 team as I believe they are now and definitely a cup contender with Markov (even at 50%) and Gorges back. They do have talent, but more importantly, they are a unified team with lots of character. A team that really wants to win.

    When they have been healthy this season they have been able to beat or play with all the top teams in the league except Philly (again, without Markov)

  205. Gormdog says:

    Huselius is absolutely maddening. Hot-and-subzero.

  206. jennifer1984 says:

    ok so I had the opportunity to watch Jarred Tinordi play some hockey last night since they were in town visiting the Greyhounds.

     

    This kid gets me excited!!! What a big bodied kid! He needs to beef up a little to add to his 6’6 (listed as 6’7 in some places) but he’s a decent defenceman.
    He still has time until he plays with the big club but I think he’s gunna be a great player.

    Stats for this year 0g    9a    -5    104PIM in 50 games.

    Fast skater, good puck handling. I wish he would finish his checks though. He’s got the size and he needs to use it to his advantage. Let the puck squirt out at the blue line a few times and he could work on that.

    First fight of the game goes to Tinordi. Kid didn’t take off his helmet and I’m quite surprised to smaller guy from the Greyhounds went after him. Tinordi destroyed him even though he got thrown to the ice somehow eventually. Huge punches and he just held him out with his long arms and the other kid didnt have a chance.

     

    Also I’m pretty sure Sean and I were the ONLY ones cheering for the Knights and we made some people angry! But they won 4-1 so that was awesome!!

    And I had Leafs fans behind me all night! (and nowhere to run as we were at the glass) (comment deleted)

    painful to listen to people who love the leafs and are convinced Kaberle’s going for a first round draft pick. and listening to people who don’t know hockey! the lady- “ohhhh watch when the goalie bangs his stick on the ice. i just figured out its because the powerplay is ending…bet people don’t know that” among others. painful!!!!

  207. Bugs says:

    I say the missing piece is the notch on our belt this Sunday when we whip your Flamer’s candy-azzes.

    Then it’ll all come together, I think.

  208. jennifer1984 says:

    i’m not saying that at all but have you ever made a mistake and said something you wish you could take back, whatever it might be.?

  209. Bugs says:

    Holy smokes, I just saw that now; Miss J, what’d you do?!

    I’ll vouch for her though; she didn’t mean nuthin by it.

  210. Kooch7800 says:

    Not sure about a whole lotta, he never really played that much here.  More time in the press box then on the ice lol.

    He wasn’t used right here in my opinion.  Oh well we have Mara now

  211. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Internet bullies? Are you an idiot? You are the only person on here defending this poor judgement, and I have no trouble making the assumption that you surely are a moron. You don’t get off the hook for saying insensitive things because you didn’t mean harm, but exactly what other purpose does this comment serve. Naivete doesn’t excuse it, nor does being a girl, which is what i suspect you meant for several reasons.

  212. Jordio-oh says:

    Dale Hawerchuck had a heck of a rookie year too and on a team whose second leading scorer was Morris Lukowich.

  213. TomNickle says:

    Well I’m sorry if I’ve given you the impression that I’m dumb enough to swallow an apology following a clearly racist remark whole and just forget about it and chalk it up to a mistake.  Making a comment like that and only reacting in an apologetic way after the backlash that ensues proves nothing more about who you are than the original comment itself.

    There are some things you can’t take back, that’s one of them.  Maybe on top of giving that race some more credit, you should give people more credit for not being as stupid as you’d like them to be.

  214. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    To Barts and the guy underneath him,

    Yes, I did have 30 seconds to kill, here’s 30 more… my post had NO ridiclous criticism, NO outrageous insults towards the individuals who run this team, and i did NOT claim to know more than anyone else, except to STFU about roasting successful hockey management and coaching, when I after all have accomplished nothing in the field.

    You want meaningful discussion? Comments like “Gauthier are you the idiot you’ve been acting like?” and thats the least ridiculous among them, this is meaningful? Because thats what my overly “hip” (or was it sarcastic?) post was referring to, comments like this. I dont post on here unless i do have something meaningful to say, except every so often the same old whiny chicken-little bullshit gets a quite tiresome. Complaining about everything that DOES and DOES NOT happen is not meaningful, its baby blather and a hindrance to what you’re supposedly looking for.

    And no, no starbucks today. i decided to stay home today to take a dump on my keyboard with crying numbskulls instead.

  215. Kooch7800 says:

    You were saying he wasn’t physical as well as the so called Analysts.  I am pointing out that if used right he can be and is. Ob is fine as a number 5 or 6 D men.

    FYI Chara in 57 games has the same amount of hits to put it in context.

  216. HardHabits says:

    Wow. People are acting like the Habs mortgaged the farm.

  217. Bugs says:

    If Mara is to get 2 pts in 33 games, then he better drop’em. If he doesn’t drop’em, he ain’t gonna “deter” sh*te; not this year. We’re loaded to the Gills (heh!) with big bodies who don’t drop’em; I’m sure you agree.

    Mara needs to drop’em if he’s to see any ice in my opinion and that right quick. Preferably get that ball rollin tonight.

  218. Rudy says:

    Didn’t Mara “speak unkindly” of the Habs and how they treated him? I hope he he’s over that.

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  219. Bugs says:

    Pah! (dismissive hand gesture)

    You’re no good to me; stop wasting my time.

    …wishy-washy…

  220. Mattyleg says:

    Huselius is a mess. Stay far, far away.

    Especially at those prices.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  221. TomNickle says:

    Nash was just putting on a show for you Bugs.  When Mara hears Bugs is watching, he’ll show you something too.

  222. Mark C says:

    It would be crazy to trade Eller for either of those players and frankly I wouldn’t want to give up Weber. Klesla is a fine player, but he is always hurt.

  223. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I’m not native, don’t care about natives, or even have any native contacts aside from neighbors, but OUCH. you took this place to a new level. I’m betting this one gets deleted ASAP. If not I would have some questions for our staff….

  224. Admiral_Adama says:

    Mara played in 42 games with the Habs?  Say WHAT?!

  225. tony d says:

    No Timo we lost it when Tampa signed MAB (LOL)

  226. Kooch7800 says:

    O’Byrne was never really that bad.  His is top 6 man not top 4. I actually like OB better than Mara.  At the time though we had too many D so the Canadiens were classy enough to let OB go to play and develop somewhere else.

    He actually played Physical and was a presence out there. 

    Mara will help us though in the mean time with our depleted D and really I am happy we are not giving away the farm when we are missing our two best d men for the season.

     

  227. TomNickle says:

    I like the trade.  Shows he won’t overpay.  He took advantage of a team that is going to be a buyer by offering them a late pick to free up a tiny bit of cap space for them and addressed a need of ours at the same time.  Lucic won’t be shoving Price without consequence anytime soon.

  228. RGM says:

    You know who else is a First Nations Canadian? Carey Price. Is he a naaaaaaaaaative too?

    Racist garbage like this has no place in discussion among serious people.

    Go Habs Go!

  229. punkster says:

    Good post. So much better than your typical line suggestions and trade demands ;)

    ***Subbang!!!***

  230. kempie says:

    Wowoweewow! Three thumbs down on this right here. Wow.

  231. Shiloh says:

    I’m in class right now teaching Grade 12 upgrade to aboriginal adults, most of whom learned English as a second language. So they’re, to use your hideous expression, naaaaaatives. And each of them has more class in their pinky fingernails than you’ll attain in a lifetime.

  232. twocents says:

    Regardless of injuries he wasn’t the first sat when a turn came around, which was my subject at the time.

    As for his level of play, that’s a significant point that should tell anyone you can’t be sure of these type of judgments from our vantage. Seeing a guy play two games is meaningless, positive or negative.

    Bigger patterns, seen by his coaches here and in Hamilton, are why he was given another chance and, yes, he’s seized the opportunity more convincingly this time.

     

  233. Gormdog says:

    Yep… But I also watched him play a whole lotta hockey here. 6’10 MAB without the shot.

    That’s my story and i’m stickin’ to it.

  234. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Well I didnt label you a racist myself, and I will be the first to say anyone who says they have not made a racist comment or had a racist thought is a liar. Its human nature to be stupid on occasion. However, i think its fair to point out the impropriety. How someone below can defend it, though is beyond me and honestly more offensive. better to just acknowledge it and move on, and thats all you can do, and you have. Im not lecturing you, im just trying to take a reasonable stance here. Id just ignore any further replies in the thread.

  235. jennifer1984 says:

    thank you.

    and i really wish i could edit the post. i really do.

    i just wish it could be seen as a mistake instead of labelling me as a racist. in all of my other posts in a year, ive never once said anything like this.

    but i guess you make one mistake and you’re blacklisted. wow.

  236. twocents says:

    Right, and his improvement may have been spurned by his previous call up which reminded him that it was still always a real possibility. Something he may have lost track of after his pre-season disappointment. Not that I think this is a good way to react but, it’s common.

  237. punkster says:

    I am humbled in the presence of such greatness.

    By the by, did you know that if yoy mix the letters of Paul Mara around you get Andrew Berkshire ain’t goin’? Amazing, eh?

    ***Subbang!!!***

  238. Gormdog says:

    I’m pretty sure in a fit of rage I once posted here that Mathieu Schneider should be traded for a bag of dreidels…

     

    But that’s about as close as I come!

  239. D Alcorn says:

    He was banged up last season – didn’t he shut it down early for shoulder surgery ?

    ALWAYS Habs – D Mex

  240. twocents says:

    I didn’t have the time to type all that nice stuff, Bugs.

    Besides I never really said anything that requires an I told you so. ‘Cause I wasn’t saying White WOULD be called up or played again. I was just saying, at the time, that a person shouldn’t be so sure that he WOULDN’T be called upon.

    So I guess it’s an I told you, you shouldn’t so sure of yourself, so.

    Does that require all the rigmarole?

  241. KenD29 says:

    Hamer has said he likes being in Montreal and when the time comes, would consider staying for less.

    Question is, How much less?!

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  242. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    They are just words, like Carlin said. She(or he) is not really stereotyping, she’s actually doing the opposite by making the distinction between your average native person versus the minority that that gives life to the stereotype in the first place.

    Kinda of like the fact that there are some gay people who are more, shall we say flamboyant then others which gives rise to the stereotypical Flamer; clearly not ALL gay people are flamers just as not all heterosexual males are Homophobic Cretins.

    Personally I think you’re probably just some bozo who likes to attack people even after they have apologized and expressed regret for their poor choice of commentary.

    You better not fall off that high horse of your because it looks like it would be one helluva long drop.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  243. TomNickle says:

    I have no idea if you’re a racist or not.  You haven’t made a clearly racist comment in a pubic forum today that I know of.

  244. Bugs says:

    Is this a joke? Am I being punk’d?

  245. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Hey theres like 20 after her, and im declaring myself the nicest one. cuz i can

  246. JD_ says:

    Hold on a sec there, Punkman.

    Here’s a direct quote from somethin’ I wrote a few days ago: “PG will pick up Mara for the 5th-rounder throw-in Anaheim tossed the Habs’ way on the Laps deal. It will be announced late Wednesday night. As per the course, a few will go FullFetal™ because, although Mother Theresa of Calcutta was a 7th rounder, the Habs would have been fortunate if that 6,434th overall pick ever heard the anthem played with skates on. Punky will then write a post at 10:57 the next day makin’ some crack about Dr. Disrespect ‘n’ The Chatterbox.”

  247. Chris says:

    I can’t! ;)

    Best rookie since 1990? Sure!

    Best rookie since 1980…hmm…okay!

    Best rookie pre-1980: Can not comment, didn’t see them play.

  248. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I wasn’t personally offended, more of a WTF?!?! actually. Not the best cherry on top of an otherwise interesting post. However, this should serve as a decency eitquette reminder to ALL of our posters, including our francophone and American bashers out there. WHO AMONG YOUUUU ?!*?!*?!*?!*?!*?!

    Here’s one for ya “La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée” – Talleyrand.

    Heed the advice. Not gonna pile on any further though.

  249. bwoar says:

    He’s growing; I’m giving Basu a mulligan on that one.  I remember not being a huge fan of Elliotte Friedman when he started on CBC, now, he’s their best hockey writer and reporter.

  250. jennifer1984 says:

    and i’ve apologized meaning no harm, emailed dave, asking to take down the post.

    and instead of someone being able to make a mistake and trying to fix it, i’m not allowed.

  251. Mark C says:

    About White’s level of play, I heard the Bulldog’s play-by-play guy on Team990 a few days before White’s most recent call up and he said that White’s play had recently progressed to his pre-season level. If the play-by-play guy noticed it I’m sure Randy² noticed it too, I would guess this is the biggest reason that White was re-called.

  252. Bugs says:

    So you wanna send Mara to the AHL? Damn, you’re cold, Mr.Ian.

    I like that.

  253. Storm Man says:

    So this deal does not sit well with you?

  254. Bugs says:

    Deuce, that’s not nice; are you as smarmy pointing out your bad calls?

    When you wanna say “I told you so”, you gotta make a big speech about how you’re not the type of person to say “I told you so” and you would never say “I told you so” and anyone who says “I told you so” is a poopyhead and thank GOSH you’re not that type of person. But if you WERE that type of person…and if there ever was a situation as perfect to say “I told you so” as the one that has presented itself now to say “I told you so”, you would say it, because this situation is as perfect as it’s liable to get.

    But since you ain’t that type of person, you ain’t gonna say it.

    THAT’S how you say “I told you so”, Deuce. Show some class, ferpetessakes.

  255. Gormdog says:

    I never said I disliked natives, I just said I “understood” (not right, or wrong), the distinction she made.

    Just like the example you used. I understand what someone means by “Blaaaaaaaack” people. The distinction, and stereotypical attributes associated with the term.

    Or am I just a no good racist AND sexist? :P

  256. Kooch7800 says:

    Check the stats.

    He has way more hits than any of our D men and is a plus on a colorado team that is tanking

  257. Bugs says:

    For a 5th rounder, what do I care? 7th D, yay.

    Just don’t score an own-goal, really.

  258. TomNickle says:

    He had 8 less hits in 10 more games with the Habs last season.  Which if nothing else lends credibility to the majority thinking that he wasn’t hitting like he should be when he was with the Habs. 

    Citing his statistics while with the Avs doens’t validate an opinion about what he was with the Habs.  He’s been different as a member of their organization.  Perhaps being traded showed him what he needed to do in order to stay in the NHL, at the rate he was going with the Habs, he was destined for a 2 way, low money contract.

  259. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Big fan of Basu, but his article is centered around Festerling not being called up when needed… but, the guy’s injured, which kinda takes the wind out of the journalistic sails there, doesn’t it? An “OHHhhhhh, shit” moment for sure.

  260. Displaced says:

    Not sure who it was, but someone suggested it yesterday.  Give that man (er, person) a cupie doll

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  261. TomNickle says:

    No, you are a racist.  Naaaaaatives?  Your comment was indicative that you thought their behaviour was related to their race.  Racist.  

     

  262. habs001 says:

    in 42 games last year mara was -16 with the habs….i remember he played well in the beginning but as the season went on he was making some terrible mistakes…hopefully he will be better this time around when he plays..

  263. Displaced says:

    me thinks yesterday or the day before. Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  264. TomNickle says:

    He didn’t drop the gloves a lot but he was a deterrent.  I often saw him getting involved when people were crashing the crease, sometimes that’s all it takes.

  265. habs001 says:

    he is a minus 112 for his nhl career

  266. twocents says:

    TM, So what were telling me a few weeks back about White? I can’t seem to remember…  won’t be called again, will be the first one benched… it should be obvious.

  267. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Nothing like a bunch of internet bullies piling onto someone who, while being a little naive, obviously meant no harm.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  268. Bugs says:

    Bland features. He kinda blended into the overall tapestry. But he was the guy with the face who wore a blue helmet. Ring any bells now?

  269. TomNickle says:

    Please.  If anyone made a comment about a game they were at last night and said there are Black people and then there are Blaaaaaaaack People, they woudl be crucified here.

  270. Rugger says:

    Assuming both return healthy, I would like to see:

    Markov, PK, Spacek (as you said, no choice), Gorges, Weber, Wiz, Gill

    No idea if the FA’s can all be fit under the cap but Hammer’s big paycheck should pay for quite a bit.

  271. jennifer1984 says:

    thank you. if anyone on here knew me, they would know i meant no harm.

    I’ve emailed Dave and asked him to take down the post since I can no longer edit it.

    I really didn’t mean to offend people like this.

  272. HabFab says:

    Sorry Dave, with age the “total recall” is down to “recall partial’. Would have to be within last week and I took it as sarcasm.

  273. Gormdog says:

    I understood the distinction he was making…

    Am I a racist by proxy?

  274. TomNickle says:

    I’m surprised at his call, you were right.  Though I think his recall has a lot to do with three of our players almost being murdered.  If you had the foresight to see that beatdown coming, good on you.  

    And I should probably point out that his play on this second trip and his play on the first one have been night and day in difference.

  275. Kooch7800 says:

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one.  Webber has trouble moving Gerbe.  Don’t get me wrong I like Webber but we have way to many of the same style of Dmen and no real shutdown guys. OB is a decent 6th defensmen and he is a lot more mobile than Mara.

    Currently in Colorado in 44 games he has 120 hits which would be leading the habs by the way and has played far less games.  So the so called anaylist don’t really have their facts correct.

    Webber has thrown 29 hits in 30 games.  Big difference.

    AK 47 is the closest with 109 hits in 57 games. 

  276. TomNickle says:

    The distinction is what makes the comment racist Gorm.  If you’re okay with a certain amount of people of a certain race because they don’t fit into your expecations of who a person of that race should be but dislike others because they represent behaviour of what you’ve grown accustomed to disliking based on stereotypes, that’s racism.

    And it’s a she you’re referring to.

  277. Bugs says:

    Totally agree that no one suggested or even thought about this trade.

  278. punkster says:

    Really? This deservres my full attention. Any idea when the comment was made…roughly?

    ***Subbang!!!***

  279. jennifer1984 says:

    i guess it depends on what time is interested in him and what they get for him.

  280. TomNickle says:

    What the hell did that natives comment mean?  There are aholes, and then there are aaaaaaholes.  If you didn’t like the behaviour of some fans I wouldn’t be so quick to chalk up to their race.  I was at a Leafs/Bruins game this year and people of my race were annoying, people can be jerks, doesn’t matter what colour their skin is or where they’re from.

    That is a racist comment, and there’s no way around it, you should be ashamed.

  281. Chris says:

    People said that last season as well, and I felt Mara was a complete non-factor in terms of “policing” the front of the net.

  282. HabFab says:

    Actually one of our resident geniuses did call for Paul Mara…I thought he was joking but it deserves research so that in the future we know under what name PG or BG is posting on HIO;)

  283. jennifer1984 says:

    no i’m being completely serious actually and if i could edit my first post, i would.

    i’m sorry i honestly had no intentions of offending anyone.

    i’m not racist, i have many native friends.

  284. Gormdog says:

    Where does this myth come from of OB being remotely physical?

    I saw a guy who used his body the same way most undersized defenseman do: to get in the way.

     

    As opposed to physical: Move the other guy OUT of the way.

     

    O’Byrne was big, but definitely NOT physical.

     

    I really need to get me some of that fertilizer they have in Colorado…

  285. Admiral_Adama says:

    Even “being there” for 42 is astounding.  I’d thought he’d only suited up for a maximum 9 games or so.

  286. Ian Cobb says:

    Against NHL opposition, nothing more important for a defence man than experience at this level of play.

  287. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    I should add in the east that is.. The west takes the cup again this year…

  288. RGM says:

    Nothing like a good old-fashioned passive-aggressive pseudo apology.

    Go Habs Go!

  289. TomNickle says:

    Media personalities, fans and others were almost in unanimous agreement that O’Byrne was NOT playing physical.  That his confidence issues had rendered him close to useless with this team and that he needed a fresh start.  He fought sure, but he didn’t make it difficult on opposing players to go into the corners or to our net.  He was far from physical.  I’ve seen more physical play from Weber than I ever did from O’Byrne.  Sorry, that’s the truth.

  290. steadyjake says:

    Terrible move. We got older and slower (if that is even possible). Why do we send a young, promising dman with size like OB packing and reaquire another old, slow guy like Mara? Mind-boggling. I’d rather see Festerling get the call-up and live with the kids like Nash (who didnt look too bad).

  291. habs001 says:

    i believe he was injured vs the rangers…but before his injury he was pretty bad in games…i remember many posters were upset with his play…

  292. Charon says:

    I like this trade. He’s not a top 4 defenceman, but he adds size and toughness to our d-corps. With so many defencemen down, he should provide some stability on the back end, and his presence won’t hurt our chances of making the playoffs! His toughness will be an asset too.

  293. Bugs says:

    Well…”play”, ok, he WAS THERE for 42 games.

    Better?

  294. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    timeout … Huselius has put up more than 55 pts and 20 + goals in last 4 seasons…. 

    AK Has done it once… 40 + once 20 + goals twice… 

    Like it or not… Huselius is an upgrade.. 

    AND go ahead and bring the whole potential argument for AK … But honestly he will never reach it in mtl.. and he’ll go off and become another Rebiero…   I think PG is thinking after last year.. why not have the best team possible going into the playoffs… 

    Philly could get a red hot Carolina or Buffalo in the first round and be done.. As far as I see it Philly is the only playoff ready team… Boston maybe… and Pits maybe depending if Sidney comes back and they grab a winger… The rest is fair game.. 

  295. punkster says:

    Well, some of us did say when and if a move was made it would be one nobody on HI/O suggested or even though about. The GMs on this site are pretty well zero for whatever when it comes to trade talk.

    On another note, between PK chirping at the opposition and Mara carrying on a running commentary with his teammates the coaching staff will need megaphones to be heard at the bench. Maybe it’s time to outfit their helmets with wireless intercoms. The first network that gets the rights to open mike these guys in games is gonna rock.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  296. jennifer1984 says:

    wow. well im sorry if i offended you or anyone else, that wasn’t my intention at all.

  297. JD_ says:

    Incredible is what I do.

  298. ed lopaz says:

    talent is more important than experience.

    PK is way better than Mara – for example.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  299. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Scarily bad idea… Eller for riff raff. now THAT would make the Halak trade shine, wouldn’t it?

  300. Bugs says:

    Surely Mara musta known I’da watch ONE game last year…

  301. HabFab says:

    Hi Eric, the UNreal around here gets to me at time.

  302. J_P says:

    I would rather have AK than Huselius at this point as both are inconsistent, and huselius is more fragile than AK.  Rusty Klesla is a bust, and I wouldn’t want the habs to give up anything of value for him. 

  303. Storm Man says:

    Hmmm Teemu had a great first year in the NHL but how old was he? At the age of 18 and having 137 points tied Dionne for the scoring race. I would have to say Gretzky was the best first year player in the NHL. If only he did not play one year in the WHA.

  304. rob_c says:

    You don’t think leafs will be able to get a first rounder for Kaberle? there is NO WAY they don’t get a first for him. He’s better then u think. What I don’t think they’ll get for him is Brayden Schenn lol

  305. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    An apology as well as an admission of my own poor commentary. I agree, be it a fellow poster, Habs management, , etc. we have an army of snipers. My pet peeve here are the big baby bitches who complain about every morsel of this teams existence and everything they do. so im gonna go attack them instead of you guys, they deserve it more….

  306. twocents says:

    Ah, Frank, there you go again.

    Keeping it real.

  307. ed lopaz says:

    Nash played very well. It was 1 game. But he played better than in any 1 game that Mara played last season.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  308. ed lopaz says:

    I don’t get the Andrew Berkshire jokes? Please clarify for us who are not in the loop.

    Thanks.

     

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  309. Mattyleg says:

    We have no idea if Nash could do it for more than one game, tho.

    It’s the rookie way. Lots of promise and excitement, then the tank runs dry pretty quick.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  310. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    Lines 

    Pac – Pleks- Gio

    Pouliot – DD – Cammy

    Huselius – Gomez – AK 

    Moen – Halpy – White/pyatt 

    If the deal went down today mtl has almost 2.8 in cap space (thats with mara)

    If this goes down.. AK is good as gone next year 

  311. rob_c says:

    those 2nd and third lines look interesting to say the least. the third line could be TERRIBLE though lol

  312. Bugs says:

    I watched the Capper-Duck game last night with a lot of Duck fans on the site. Interesting ideas came up; for your consideration:

    1) Teemu better than Foppa. Agree or disagree?

    2) Teemu best rookie EVER. Agree or disagree?

  313. Mats Naslund says:

    right on. people are over thinking this one.

  314. HabFab says:

    FLASH

    Brett Festerling (upper-body injury – day-to-day (Feb. 16), happened Feb. 11)

  315. TomNickle says:

    Yeah let’s trade our young, cheap and developing players for aging and inconsistent players who won’t get any better than they’ve been in the past.

  316. TheDagger says:

    I wouldn’t trade Max-Pac for players a lot better than Phillips.

  317. TomNickle says:

    There’s about a 90% chance that’s sarcasm.  But in my opinion, the biggest problem in the Flyer series last playoff was that their players were able to go to our net with no consequence.  With Subban, Mara and Wisniewski it won’t be an easy trip to the blue paint for the opposition and could make a huge difference in the teams’ confidence.  I’m not saying it’s Cup run or bust, but I wouldn’t be surprised at a deep run.  Especially playing in the East.

  318. CanadienBoy says:

    The 4 Period report Habs are not finish if Colombus 12 pts behind does not make it Klesla inj.at the moment and Heselius could come this way for Weber and Pyatt, got to love trade rumours

  319. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    Mtl is talking to columbus about Klesla and huselius, columbus would be interested in weber/eller..   If this is true I say go for it…Mtl may have to throw in a pick  

    Source Twitter : Arpon Basu

    Klesla 6″3 221 28 yr old + 10  10 pts  Signed at 2.975 til 2013-14

    Huselius 6″2 184  32 yr old 12 G 8 A Singed for next year as well 4.7 mil  

    heres the kicker -15 !! He and gomez could make 2 parts of the habs minus line

    (gomez -16).  

    25 games left 

    Huselius 1.45 mil for the rest of the year 

    Klesla 907 K for the rest of the year

    So roughly 2 mil cap hit 

    The numbers work.. maybe they would want AK who knows.. 

  320. Bugs says:

    Can’t disagree; Greg Stewie prime example.

  321. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    4th period reporting it would be pyatt not eller

  322. Kooch7800 says:

    Thanks for the update.  Tinordi is still really young.  He will fill out and hopefully will help the habs big time in the future.  Playing under the Hunter’s in London he will develop nicely

  323. TomNickle says:

    Forsberg was a better player but Selanne was much more productive due to health and longevity.  That really don’t answer your first question though.

    Selanne had the best rookie year ever, it was insane.

  324. grosbill4 says:

    Interesting questions.

     

    I would say… Teemu ended up being a better long-term career roster player than Foppa – but in his prime, Forsberg was the most dominant forward in the league, and he has a couple rings (and a calder of his own) that to me say he was a better player than Teemu (at their best).

    As for best rookie… yeah, it’s tough to argue that one. GO JETS!?!

  325. flanman says:

    Only in Montreal could a 5th rounder for a depth dman create such an outburst. Boone is probably rubbing his hands together as his monthly bonus increases.

  326. fbkj says:

    i know… listening to the team 990… lulz

  327. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Apology, or whatever, accepted. And you’re right, you weren’t really in on the dogpile that was Tom “the holy” Nickle.

    I just think its pathetic how many people lie around in the weeds looking for opportunities to attack people, save it for the trolls – they like being attacked. I don’t think the poster was anything more than young and naive and while the comment was dumb and offensive the intent was neither and an apology and retraction was immediately offered. But I guess the smell of blood puts the sharks in a frenzy. Whatever – enjoy your day.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  328. Bugs says:

    You better pray Mara doesn’t score two tonight or you’ll have serious egg on your face.

  329. savethepuck says:

    But what would he cost?

  330. punkster says:

    You lead a pathetic and lonely life. Not that the rest of us are any better off. Just sayin’.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  331. Chris says:

    My friends always laugh at me because I have had my phone on silent for the past 6 months.  I check it occasionally to see if there is a message, but that’s about it.

    I have one due to necessity at the moment, but I truly hate cell phones.  I must be a Luddite!

  332. fbkj says:

    what kind of phone? if its a boring one, then i dont blame ya

  333. fbkj says:

    yay i lead at something, take THAT haters!

  334. oshawahabsfan says:

    I sleep with my Blackberry on the pillow, but I have a good excuse, it’s my second alarm clock hehe…

  335. Chris says:

    They are all boring.  :)

    But yeah, definitely a more boring one.  Maybe I should get an iPhone.  Nah.

    But I did enjoy watching these iPhone vs. HTC Evo4 cartoons on YouTube again…good times.  ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

    http://www.youtube.com/user/tinywatchproductions#p/u/2/UAOtC9QfXac

  336. fbkj says:

    no that would be my pillow

    yes im one of THOSE a$$holes that sleeps with his ifone

  337. BJ says:

    3) I would finance a contract on PG

    Why can’t we correct a spelling mistake with the edit button?

  338. Storm Man says:

    I think that rumour is BS…. Why would the Habs trade the best UFA that has come to this city in a very long time. Cammi loves it here and says to players around the NHL that he feels bad for those that don’t get to play in Montreal.

  339. joeybarrie says:

    We would be ridiculous to shop Cammi. Look at what he did in the Playoffs. He had a slump in the beginning of this season and hopefully will come back from injury better than ever. But to shop him now would be a mistake. Most likely an Eklund style rumor. PG is too good for that. Now with all that said.
    I CANNOT WAIT FOR CAMMI TO COME BACK….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  340. smiler2729 says:

    The Habs are shopping for calamari. Buffalo should stick to wings.

  341. TPlow says:

    On WGR Buffalo this morning, they reported that the Habs are shopping Cammalleri. I haven’t seen/heard that rumour anywhere else and can’t imagine it’s true. Anyone heard anything?

  342. Kooch7800 says:

    Wouldn’t count on that.  Then we would have no sniper.

  343. HNS says:

    U talking about the Hamilton Sabres?

  344. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    well if you want to analyse the logistics of the trades, then HENRY would have been the hands down logical choice over MARA if your basing it on size, as HENRY is the only player in our organization that can stand up to CHARA.

    he is 6’6″ 231lbs… but we don’t need someone like that back there as a 6th D-man right?… oh ya i forgot, he doesn’t know how to skate and play hockey, because he has only played over 350games for the Bulldogs and is in the record books…

  345. punkster says:

    Oh you just had to poke the wasp nest, didn’t you? LOL

    ***Subbang!!!***

  346. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    ok, so is this season just another exercise in futility?

    is this latest edition that far off from being a competitor…. i think this road trip will tell somewhat..although Gill/Camm are still out (and gorges/Markov)

    but i agree with you on the Defense.

  347. Chris says:

    “because the road to the cup has NO ROUGH STUFF!!”

    After a couple of years, you finally said something I can agree with!  Fighting virtually disappears in the playoffs.

    And Detroit, everybody’s model franchise, has been last in the league in fighting majors six years straight.  AND they feature all those bloody non-North Americans.

    No N.A. and no Grit.  What are they thinking!!!!!

  348. Chris says:

    Wait…North American Grit is not exclusive to North Americans?  You mean it is just…gasp…GRIT?!?

    I’ve never questioned Detroit’s toughness.  I just question calling up guys who have had their shot in the league and were found wanting.  Alex Henry is a nice defenceman for the AHL.  It would be rather surprising if he ever sees the NHL as a regular again.  That’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. 

    And I would argue that the playoffs are not as full of rough stuff as you might have me believe.  Scrums happen all the time, but they as often involve the smaller guys as they do the bigger guys.  The Habs got manhandled by Philly because Philly’s forwards were too big AND fast for Montreal’s defencemen to handle.  Alex Henry, who is not a great skater, does not help in that regard. 

  349. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    you have to understand the politics, taking MARA for almost nothing is a favor to ANA, and we’ll get more in return down the road…MARA is a certified NHL’r that can fill a 7th role with experience, and in fact be used in that role now because of our D problems/injuries.

    now if we just brought up HENRY who is almost the equivalent to MARA, except HENRY can fight better, but he has no trade value or long term uses, he has already sailed through the waiver wire many times in his career.

    to your other point, HENRY can provide front of net clearing as a 5th/6th pairing, and be put on the ice when that BOSTON DEBACLE starts…did yo forget what happened? never forget…

    are we ready for March 8th?NO

  350. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    wait a minute, you’ve missed the boat, again,… the playoffs ARE full of ROUGHSTUFF, but seldom or no fighting.

    i was being slightly sarcastic, we haven’t advanced because we have been worn down by the rough stuff, have you missed that as well? remember PHILLY?… and for the record, Detroit is very VERY GRITTY. Do not doubt for a second that they are a soft team, did you see how they brushed off the Bruins on the weekend?

    Detroit is a powerful team strength and skill… and remember the NAG is North American Grit, but not exclusive to North American Players… only that North AMerican Players grow up in that system, where as EUROS grow up in a skating/passing/finesse system… but there are many EURO NAGS… like MARTINEK, KASPARITIS, VOLCHENKOV etc.

  351. Jordio-oh says:

    the road to the cup has very little fighting. so what does henry do then? lay bodychecks on all the players he can’t catch.

    he’s in the AHL for a reason. There’s no way that you’re the only one that sees the light and the management backed by a multi-million dollar franchise does not.

  352. HabFab says:

    Sorry HP, but Chara broke Ivanis’s face with one punch when he was in Ottawa and Ivanis belonged to us.

  353. Bugs says:

    Oh boy, here we go, Henry can take Chara now…

  354. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    HENRY can handle CHARA….better than Larock, because Larock wasn’t good on his skates and would get swung around, where HENRY is a natural NAG player… CHARA has that howitzer reach and unleashes a non-stop barrage and its game over fast, but with HENRY who can counter that reach and has the muscle, i’d say it would immediately earn us respect around the league. the only other player we had that could handle CHARA was IVANIS, but again weak on the skates…(during a fight)… it seems SUBBAN has that same issue, too much upperbody strength and not paying attention to the footing… SOURAY could let it go and stay on his feet, same with NEIL.

    but what does it matter… we can hide behind the refs and get a powerplay!! because the road to the cup has NO ROUGH STUFF!!

  355. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    I don’t know about Henry being able handle Chara. As much as I hate Chara i will admit he is a “monster”.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  356. coachdoug says:

    HP making a guest appearance today on HIO…and stirring up the pot…well done sir!

  357. Vid says:

    I didn’t realize how many Dmen we have injured: Markov, Gorges and now Spacek and Gill.

    So that leaves…

    Hamr, Wiz, Subban, Weber, Picard

    and now Mara instead of Nash.

    Adding Mara is certainly better than adding nobody.  Not like the habs have any good spare parts to trade for someone better.

  358. Psycho29 says:

    Halak is lucky he isn’t an injured thoroughbred….because they shoot em!

    :-)

  359. shiram says:

    Also to remember is Lapierre asked to be traded, so we only obliged him, and that keeps a good reputation for the team., it says players are respected here.

  360. D Alcorn says:

    Lapierre for Mara and  Festerling – works for me.

    Arpon Basu notes that Lapierre is status quo in Disneyland.

    ALWAYS Habs – D Mex

  361. shiram says:

    He is on the plane, and probably listed as day to day, or game time decision.

  362. matrags says:

    Last year this team went to the conference final and knocked off two powerehouses to get there.I would expect it to fallow that management would conclude that we had arrived . Time to shift from solely rebuild to tweeking to gain that added something that puts you over the top.As it has benn said adnausium on this site it appeared that wer needed a big center and another top four d men. .Markov went down very early in the season compounding the problem and the pick up of Wiz sofftened the blow although he is no Markov. Gautier moved very quickly  in the off season to move our most valuable trade asset  Halek, in return for another  young prospect at center ,Eller.,who has been relagated to spot time with various linemates and seldom at center. markov has been gone since late oct, so what gives.So happy to see the kids begin to shine but surely this is not another rebuild we did that two yrs ago . Playoffs looming and we still wait for the move or moves  necessary to get us there .Enough of next year this team has been despite adversity hanging around the top eight, in this League and for want of what is painfully obvious tomost observers could have made a run for it all.

  363. shiram says:

    I look forward to an awesome playoff beard from Mara, no matter his plus/minus or his lack of playing recently, the man can grow some mean facial hair, and in the playoff that has to be counted in the intangibles.

    With so many rookies barely able to muster stubble, Mara will bring a much needed man-beard element to the team.

    Now if only Jacques Martin could grow a nice authority ‘stache…

  364. D Alcorn says:

    Re-acquisitiion of Mara might not move the ‘wow’ needle much, but it makes sense on a few levels :

    - low acquisition (5th rounder) cost

    - adds another veteran presence, with size and toughness, on the back end

    - provides the Habs with another dimension in terms of negotiating for veteran presence to mentor the youth movement while filling the role of 5th or 7th D next season.  Time now to get something similar done up front.

    ALWAYS Habs – D Mex

  365. ooder says:

    gill and mara…

    put it together and you get magill…

    hmm darche went to mcgill

    veryyyyyyyyy intreseting

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

  366. habstrinifan says:

    I hope you are right.

  367. habstrinifan says:

    Yes.. lots of reports that he did ask to be moved.

     

  368. habstrinifan says:

    The mountain may be too high to overcome but you have to admit that the Devil’s record under Lemaire has been outstanding.

  369. Bugs says:

    My first question would be “Mr.Burkie, how long of a grace period have the Puppets given you before your job is in jeopardy?”

  370. habstrinifan says:

    Ok I may be uninformed here… but is Mara that much of a tough enforcer type player? Seems to be a devloping theme here that he is. Guess I missed the boat.

  371. Chris says:

    If it is any consolation, one of my dreams is that you get hired on TSN or RDS and are used exclusively to interview Brian Burke.  This entertains me quite a bit, when I picture it.  ;)

  372. Sisterray says:

    They’re creating a 31st team for salary cap rejects?

  373. Bugs says:

    We’d be a Chilean mine.

  374. habstrinifan says:

    Rad again. Tony is saying the Gomez camp strongly believes that he would be ‘outta here’ by Monday. Gomez’s does not react well to ‘pressure’, I can believe this would be his reaction to the booing and criticism he’s been getting lately. .. to be fatalistic and think he is on way out rather than analyse his game and respond positively.

  375. HabFanSince72 says:

    If our depth was any deeper we’d be an Ingmar Bergman movie.

     

  376. Mark C says:

    He’s played enough to make it more relevant than his stats from a year ago, no? 33 games while averaging over 20 minutes a night is enough to compare him to his teammates.

  377. jennifer1984 says:

    i thought that Gill would probably be able to go this weekend? even tonight maybe?

    not a bad idea to have Mara at all, i just thought Gill is back.

  378. Bugs says:

    Swear to gosh, sometimes, I’m just embarrassed to be seen here…

  379. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    You vastly underestimate the power of Mara’s beard. And stay at home toughness is pretty much the whole of Mara’s game, no points but he will take out the trash. My only concern is health as that was his undoing the last time he was with us.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  380. habstrinifan says:

    Mara as a fighter? Come on!

  381. habstrinifan says:

    He’s hardly played.

  382. king ddd says:

    i really hope that rumor with columbus doesnt come true, cause weber is  north worth losing to 50-65 point winger in huselus and 4-5th defenceman, im liking weber more and more and hes still young. we havent had the opportunity to have so much young talent  on the team in a while i hope pG doesnt messs this up.

     

     

    ** Buck Fruins **

  383. Bugs says:

    Yeah, but Jimmy stopped scoring against us once he WAS traded whereas Mara had stopped to begin with.

    So, I dunno…it’s a dilly, fersure.

  384. Jordio-oh says:

    Habs fans are so entertaining. Hindsight is 20/20. Its way to easy to make such a claim right now. Typical.

  385. Habnofear says:

    So in essence we traded Lappy for Mara while sending OB to the Rocky Mountains….Now there’s your Cup finals strategy,BIG SHOW HERE WE COME:(

  386. habstrinifan says:

    Have not read the posts so far but gotta give my two cents worth up front.

    If this is ALL PG does then to hell with him and JM and their cohorts.. they are not desrving to be in charge of this franchise.

    If he has another deal very close to be done with Ducks or some other team then as a depth move this is palatable.

    If he has no other deals imminent and this is, as his fans woud describe it, a depth move to help us immediately. Then it is at the best too impetuous.. too hasty.
    If you are going for a cheap, depth move get a defense player who is at the very least closer to the MOLD of player that EVERYONE knows you need… a BIG PUGNACIOUS defender even if all he does is stand in front the net. That way you reduce tendency of other teams to hold you up in their bargaining with you for what you really need before deadline day. Mara does nothing.. absolutely nothing to improve a) your prospects against the teams which give us trouble, b) improve your toughness c) improve your playoffs prospects. Nash could have stood in for now.
    And it does nothing to change the appearance that other teams will have as deadline nears… that they can ‘hold you up’ for the players who realistically fill the holes in your lineup.

    I find this deal as if Ducks saw you were injured, woke you up and offered you a ‘non roster’ (he wasnt really playing), player which you jumped at. You were asleep. Waste of money and more telling maybe a waste of an opportunity to add depth which fulfils a little of your needs and thus improve a little your bargaining position at deadline day.

    Now I will read what others have to say. Maybe I am dead wrong.

  387. LA Loyalist says:

    Perceptive. Remember how dark PG kept Gorges injury then suddenly Wiz was here and Gorges was done.

  388. king ddd says:

    pk-mara

    hammr-nash

    webber -wiz wouldnt want to put nash and wiz on the same line

     

    ** Buck Fruins **

  389. Hali_Hab says:

    I believe your missing the point to what matrags is saying. he is not taking credit away form the d corps,  he is saying that the gm had  a responsibility to help the d. when you loose a markov type player  you have to make some moves espically when  you have two d men pushing 37 playing massive minutes and a 3rd d man who is not far behind in age doing the same. The habs d deserves credit for hanging in there all season. but the gm deserves a slap on the wrist so to speak, for not giving them a little more ammo to help out during the season. Now  injurys occured .. and really you could not see that coming?  with the age of the vets and the minutes they log.  It is a poor job of management they should have had more reinforcements to help shoulder the loss of your two best d, and wiz is no markov or georges.. And yah know lets face it if DD had not shown up from hamilton with his work boots on we are back to being a one line team.. then what?

     

     

     “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.“ Guy Lafleur.

  390. t1tan5 says:

    I believe the fifth round pick was the one we received from those same Ducks in the Lapierre trade. So in the end, we traded Lapierre for Mara. I can live with that.

  391. 24 Cups says:

    The Canucks’ Kevin Bieksa has a broken foot and will be out for 3 to 4 weeks.  That means the Canucks now have four regular Dmen on the injury list.

    Raise your hand if you’ve ever heard of Bieska’s replacement, Evan Oberg.

    I say we trade Mara to Vancouver for a 4th round pick:-)

  392. puroman77 says:

    Komisarek might have been a better choice…with Cammy coming back he could be his setup man….remember that nice pass earlier in the season  LOL!!

  393. HNS says:

    Hate to burst your bubble but beating those two powerhouses would not be possible if Halak did not stand on his head. If Booins did not choke against Philly, 25 could have been in the bag.

  394. Bugs says:

    After we play’em of course.

    Don’t wanna have that deal bite us in the azz, you know?

  395. Storm Man says:

    You think we could have won over the Blackhawks? As much as I would love to see number 25. I think the Hawks still would have won the cup.

  396. shiram says:

    Like The Wiz did to us back before he was traded.

  397. puroman77 says:

    Tony’s source is Eklund

  398. blu3chip says:

    So right now we have:

    Hammer, Mara, Nash, Picard, Subban, Weber, Wiz.

    Not looking too good… :(

  399. Jordio-oh says:

    I heard he was on stress leave because of his inability to produce the numbers Carey Price is producing…

  400. blu3chip says:

    No one thought we could beat Caps and Pens either.

  401. Bugs says:

    I think we coulda given Nash at least one other go afore selling him short so.

    It’s 7th D, ferpetessakes.

  402. habaddict_andy says:

    Looks to me acquiring Mara means protecting Price more.  Lucic cross checking Price was not pretty.  Can Mara clear the front of Price?

  403. JD_ says:

    Congratulations on your first drag ‘em out, throw it to the ground, push all yer chips to the center of the table, bashin’-don’t-be-backlashin’, smashmouthin’ kick to the teeth, take-no-kickin’-'n’-screamin’-prisoners global nuclear holocaust of a fight to the death on HI/O.

    Welcome to the club.

    And thanks, Bugsy, for bein’ so obligin’.

  404. habs001 says:

    hopefully he will be better… plus in some games it will be his role to be in the box for 5 minutes fighting and not pk…we cannot have pk fighting right now…if markov and gorges were available we can live with a few pk fights … 

  405. Jocko says:

    I think the question that needs to be asked is, “Does Lucic think he can whoop Mara?” If he does not, them he will not even oblige Mara.

    Wasn’t there a story about Mara almost crying because he did not want to leave the team last year?  Wonder how pumped he will be to be making his return?  wonder if a certan other AK would be pumped about returning here?  If the Habs swung that deal we could have the following on the top three lines:

    Kovalev, Pleks, Kostitsyn (wonder if he would round into form, or catch Kovalev’s disease, which i would pray would be in remission and he would show up for every game)

    Gionta, Gomez, Cammi

    Patches, DD, Pouliot

    ON PAPER, that looks pretty solid.  But am I a GM in the NHL? Nah….but to Geoff Molsen, I can be available!!!

    I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  406. LA Loyalist says:

    Exactly the point. Philly ran the crease, something we were incapable of doing on the other end, average as Leighton was.

    That was the problem last year, and it has not been addressed. How can you expect a different result?

  407. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    I think it’s time someone obliged Lucic. Gotta win tho.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  408. LA Loyalist says:

    yesterday someone posted a whole Habs team on the letter “P” (forgive me for not giving credit).

    How about we do one based on excellent beards? It would be interesting how good a team you would have based only on excellent beards.

    Or do we have too much spare time?

  409. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    That could be our answer to Lucic. Let him beat up komi every game and then for 5 mins boston loses their power foward and we lose our worst defenseman. Good trade-off, could work as a strategy.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  410. Bugs says:

    It adds depth to our 7th d position, you mean.

  411. avatar_58 says:

    Yeah I want another look at Nash

  412. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Comment of the day. This is why forums like this exist. I have coffee dripping from my nose.

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  413. LA Loyalist says:

    You are going to be sorely disappointed come April. 

    Price is great, but we are not built as a playoff team.

    Next year, with Markov at 100% (if) and Jorges healthy, a male hockey player replacing Gomez and getting someone good for AK and… and hopefully a few playoff games experience for our kids, then yeah, we can take our shot.

    But we are 1-2 years out and that’s if PG does a great job.

    Sorry. It’s not a question of having done a rebuild, it’s a question of fixing a bad and panicked rebuild.

     

     

  414. fbkj says:

    halak is having a pretty unlucky season thus far… placed on the IR…

  415. Mark C says:

    Shouldn’t you also consider his +/- in the current season? He’s -1, which ranks him 4th among Ducks D and only 2 points from being 3rd.

  416. shiram says:

    Thanx for clarifying! I didnt hear it on the radio, but got the news from some other forum.

  417. joeybarrie says:

    What I am happy about is we will now see exactly what he can do. 2nd chance, and he was injured last time. So we will find out if it was MARA or the injury. I really like the guy, and really wanted him to stick around.

    If he is brutal again, then nothing can be said. If he plays well, and helps out physically, then we will know the -16 was a fluke cause of the pain he was in…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  418. habs001 says:

    i am not sure how much mara will play but i do remember last year he was getting a lot of negative posts as after a okay start he was brutal in his zone and getting caught in the opposition zone…hopefully it is a new start for mara …plus/minus as some posters say may not be totally fair but mara being -16 last year is not good…

  419. shiram says:

    I was worried for a second, thinking Scotty might have a solid no trade clause. He can list 3 teams he will not accept a trade to.

    But all in all, I am as positivie this will come true as I will win the next Lotto max jackpot.

  420. LA Loyalist says:

    Actually what is the record? I think you are right, the servers would melt.

  421. flanman says:

    To be fair to Marinaro, he said the Gomez “clan” believe that he’ll be moved by Monday. Tony said he still thinks Gomez’s contract cannot be moved.

  422. joeybarrie says:

    Funny how it works around here. When a player who was not doing well here goes of and plays somewhere else we hear about it left and right when they play well. But when they do not, we hear NOTHING…. UNTIL the moment arises and all of a sudden its ‘PG was stupid to trade them, and JM can’t make it work with our youth’….

    COME ON. Maybe SK can score and get points… But the kid can’t tell time to even make a fricken BUS…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  423. LA Loyalist says:

    Don’t tease me. I won’t be able to concentrate on the Heritage Game on tv if I get that excited.

  424. habs fan for life says:

    With the number of injuries we’ve had this season on the blueline I rather have one or two spare parts than none

  425. SLYDER says:

    switch Nash and Mara and im on board. Wiz is too much of a defensive liability to partner with someone as raw as Nash.

     

    Actually, the Mara-Weber pairing should be broken up and one of each should play with Wiz and Nash

  426. LA Loyalist says:

    Would you bet real $ against the Devils right now? Kovalchuk is scoring and they are still missing Parise. 

    The upside for us is each time they beat an eastern team it helps us.

    I will also add it’s a bit disconcerting to see what a great coach can do with a supposed train wreck.

  427. Propwash says:

    O’Byrne was gonna be parked in the pressbox if Markov and Georges were not injured. The Habs did him a favour.

  428. Gormdog says:

    Meh, I like Bournival.

  429. joeybarrie says:

    Ryan O’Byrne……….. -12 in his last 12 games, with 9 penalties.

    The deal, at the time, was fine. Who is going to plan on keeping a young player like O’Byrne because MAYBE you will have 4 top D out in February….?

    O’Byrne had his chances here and couldn’t make it work. I always liked him, and still do. But that trade was not dumb. DUMB would be scratching him for 40 games a season…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  430. shiram says:

    It only does if you can predict the future, and Jojo Savard was not hired by the Habs.

  431. LA Loyalist says:

    O’Byrne hadn’t played in what, 13 games? And Markov was healthy. Sure we’d love O’Byrne identity back but as much as I’m happy to bag on bad decisions, PG isn’t psychic, we had no knowledge that our defense would be so quickly decimated.

    And finally, it’s cruel to sit a young guy for that length of time, let him contribute elsewhere. It’s good karma, which hopefully will bless us eventually.

  432. shiram says:

    I cannot find any links, but what I recall is he was unhappy with his TOI, and wanted to be showcased before his new contract. It may be wrong, but I have not read anything about Gauthier denying it either.

  433. MEGAJOSH says:

    I say scratch Picard tonight.

    Hamrlik – Subban

    Nash – Wiz

    Mara – Weber

  434. habaddict_andy says:

    Try telling that to Jacques Martin.

  435. bostonantifan says:

    Gee, that O’Byrne deal looks dumber and dumber by the minute…

  436. joeybarrie says:

    HOW is Tony saying this? You would have to have a pretty good source to say something like that. IF/WHEN he is wrong, wouldn’t that kill ALL his credibility on future rumors?

    Is Tony reporting a rumor? Is he saying he heard that Gomez will be gone? Is he saying the wheels are in motion? Its not like a trade for 5th rounder for Mara to be wrong about. This is a we traded HALAK kind of moment for all the bashing and justifying (me I know) that is done around here. This would put him into Eklund category if you ask me…

    This is something people will remember him saying… So I hope he isnt just praying he heard something from the delivery boy at St. Hubert in Windsor Station…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  437. habaddict_andy says:

    Should have said don’t forget the defense…

  438. Gormdog says:

    I’m not realy sure that helps your case or not… If anything, if you wanted to take credit away from the Habs D corps, you SHOULDN’T mention that the two best players in the world  were often non factors…

     

    It was not Halak robbing Ovie and Croz from in up close. It was Halak making solid saves on screens/shots from the outside…

  439. joeybarrie says:

    I do not know why everyone was saying Festerling was to be used as a depth D on our team. He had very little NHL experience and is still young for a defender. A full stint in Hamilton to see what he can offer.

    I would not put festerling in the same category as Mara on ANY map. Mara brings exactly what we need, experience, size, toughness and familiarity. I think this is a great move to help our D.

    Mara only blended in because he was injured most of the time, and that was not allowing him ot do what he does best (I HOPE)… We will see tonight or real soon.

    Also of note, as some other posters pointed out, this ends up our Lapierre transaction for Mara and a D prospect. Even if this D is as good as Laps (AHL bound) we did pretty good. Remembering the big key to the trade was to give Laps a chance somehwere else. PG is doing a good job.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  440. matrags says:

    What did we get for him. No bubble here  , Management had a good team and wouldnt or couldnt acquire the assets to put it over the top.Phhilly  lost to the hawks , did they stand still , did the bruins , We did have a shot , last yrs  and this yrs record prove it , but management chose to stand still.injuries to the d corp make it all academic  now, but when it might have counted management did not move . We are left to talk about another rebuild.

  441. habs fan for life says:

    Hello fellow habs fan I’ve been a on and off reader for some time but this is my first time posting.
    I like the Mara deal, it adds depth on defence and with a cap hit around 250k we still have room to get some grit for our bottom six.

  442. dh says:

    Was that actually reported? The most I heard about that was Gauthier denying that.

  443. habaddict_andy says:

    I hear Gomez is out before Monday ;)

  444. HNS says:

    Not against Ovie or Cindy, sorry.

  445. dh says:

    I think it probably means that Spacek is hurt more than we think.

  446. Gormdog says:

    Maybe Mara is the first step in beefing up our 4th line?

  447. Kalcon says:

    Paul Mara returns….could be worse I suppose…could’ve been Komisarek!!!

  448. HNS says:

    Habs would have been the underdogs fer sure but in the Finals anything is possible. If Jaro could have maintained, who knows.

  449. habaddict_andy says:

    Lucic’s favorite thing to do is to attack from blind side.  He did that to Komisarek when he was still in Montreal and he did it again to Subban.  Somebody needs to teach him a lesson.  But it won’t be Mara.

  450. Gormdog says:

    Have to agree… At least Markov would have TRIED to touch Moen as he “flew” by him during pivotal playoff moments…

  451. shiram says:

    Tony Marinaro saying Gomez is traded away before next monday on Team 990, apparently.

    Wishful thinking? A team trying to hit the floor? A radio guy trying to get publicity/people listening?

    Anyways I thought this place was not getting enough comments, so I brought this “news” here.

     

    Edit : Halak hurt on the right hand as well.

  452. habaddict_andy says:

    3.5 to 4 million per year for 2 years seems reasonable to me.  He has to prove he can play a whole season.  What’s scary is there are bonehead GM’s out there who might offer him a lot more.

  453. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    And how would the all seeing Tony Marinaro know this?

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  454. habsfan_61 says:

    this trade is essentially flippin back the 5th rounder we got for lappy in order to get mara.i liked mara when we got him last year,he’s not mobile but does give the size we need on the back side.  is this the first of other trade(s) to come from pg?

  455. shiram says:

    He has contacts in the league and such!!

    Now to be fair, Gomez being traded away from Montreal is something I will believe when I see it. But it would be fun to see how many post this place would rack up.

  456. Gormdog says:

    This is the same guy that said that with Lemaire the Devils were a lock to make the playo-… I’ll wait a bit before I pass judgement!

     

    I “like” Gomez but I do think this team could do way, way more with those millions off the books. (granted, i’m sure we’d be getting a Lupulesque contract in return)

  457. Storm Man says:

    Big Buff would have been in Jaro’s nightmares night after night.

  458. Hobie Hansen says:

    Tony does have a couple of good sources, I forget what the last story he broke was concerning but he did report it a good few days before the big boys on TSN…

     

    Hopefully he’s right about this one too.

     

  459. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Gonchar? I’d keep Marky.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  460. habaddict_andy says:

    Your one of those who refuses to give Montreal’s defense a credit, just like TSN and the rest of the media.

  461. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    I would think that it would be Mara’s forté.

    Don’t know if he can whoop lucic or not but if he takes lucic to the box with him it’s plus for les boys.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  462. Gormdog says:

    One of the HUGE benefits of having JM as a coach.

     

    Can do much, with little. If we had top 5 talent, I could see fans tearing their hair our to get an wide-open-offensively-minded coach… But with these dolrums there are few coaches I’d acually rather have…

  463. rogus says:

    What is going to happen with Markov? If he wants big money next year do we sign him? Will he come back to the Habs or go on the open market? Is there a way to include him in a trade while he is still under contract to get “something” for him if he doesn’t want to sign here at a reasonable price? I think someone is going to try and throw a boatload of $ at him, and I am not sure that someone with such chronic knee problems is a player I’d gamble on. I’d look for someone like Gonchar or Kaberle if PG is serious about a cup run.

  464. Hobie Hansen says:

    I believe that PG might be content with what we have on defense at the moment for the rest of the season. Wiz, Subban, Spacek, Hamrlik, Gill and Weber will be our six starters with the option to dress 11 forwards and seven defenseman, Mara, against the tougher teams.

     

    I’d imagine his sights are set on going after either a couple scrappy bottom line players or a big top six forward at this point.

     

    That’s only my opinion, who knows how things will play out over the next 11 days…?

     

  465. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Yup that beard was freakin’EPIC in proportion. Almost no point in punching a guy with that much beard. A deterent with a deterent.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  466. t1tan5 says:

    I believe the servers exploded during the last trade deadline.

  467. Displaced says:

    362 comments (as of 11.35am) about Mara for a fifth rounder.  Holy c-ap!!! What happens if PG makes a deal that actually merits discussion before the deadline.  Can the HIO servers handle it?

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  468. Bugs says:

    It’s not all about Mara; we talk about a lot of OTHER inconsequential stuff too.

    Don’t exaggerate, Dis.

  469. deuce6 says:

    Great..Mara..Another 2-3 dumb penalties a game…I have to ask why???

    —————— Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  470. Nahlsy says:

    Even Babe Ruth hit singles and drew walks once in awhile. It’s not going to be a home run every time, teams that try to make a home run with each and every deal they make turn into Brian Burke and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

  471. geo_habsgo says:

    Maybe it will humble him a little bit.

  472. Bugs says:

    Marinaro gettin outhustled by Lansberg on the 990.

  473. savethepuck says:

    I hope Vokoun, if anywhere, goaes to a western team. I also think that the Flyer’s tenders suck and I’m hoping this is why we will get by them if we meet them in a playoff round.  The thing is , their GAA’s are 2.27 Boucher and 2.42 Bobrovsky. Anything under 2.50 is more than respectable IMO.  I am thinking they don’t think they need to make a move for a goalie. Didn’t Tampa Bay already solve their Goaltending problems with acquiring Roloson.

    During the intermission of the Edmonton Ottawa game last Saturday, Murray said his untouchables were Alfie, Spezza and Karlson.

  474. Displaced says:

    On the heels of our blockbuster, I thought I would make a list of likely non-playoffs teams and their interesting (older, disappointing, lesser rumored, etc.) assets.  Nothing like throwing some logs on a raging fire…

     

    Florida: Vokoun, Wideman

    Ottawa: Alfredsson, Kovalev, Spezza, Gonchar

    Toronto: Kaberle, Armstrong, Komisarek

    Edmonton: Penner

    Colorado: Hejduk, Liles

    St. Louis: D’ags (just for the enjoyment of HIO folks), Brewer

    Columbus: Vermette

     

    Here are some of my highly imaginative favorites.

     

    Vokoun – Flyers or Tampa: I have to think Vokoun will move – Florida is toast, he’s expensive, and they have a top prospect at the position.  If they Flyers lose hope in their current tenders, Tomas could be useful.  Holmgren would need do more cap magic to make this work.  Tampa needs him too, so Florida could develop a bidding war. 

     

    Alfredsson/Gonchar- Vancouver: Yes – he’s out indefinitely.  And, ok, this is a mega long shot that I pulled out of my tuchas, but come on.  Alfie the veteran leader playing with the this generation’s best Swedes to win the Cup in the Twilight of his career.  Gonchar the additional D-vet to supplement their hurting core.  You have to love it.

     

    Spezza – Nashville:  They just made one deal and Nashville could use some top-end (albeit underperforming) talent.  If Trots can make a sow’s ear like SK a top 6 guy, image what he could do with Jason.

     

    Liles/Hejduk – Boston:  I know this would suck, but Boston is seems desperate to deal and could use both of them.  Colorado (like us) has endured more injuries to key people than should be allowed and might as well be a seller after a valiant run (Stewart early, then Fleischmann, and Forsberg’s final resurrection)…

     

    Kaberle and Armstrong – Pittsburgh:  They made the Poni deal last year.  Pittsburgh gets Armstrong back and Kaberle gives them an offensive presence among their blueliners. 

     

     Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  475. TheDagger says:

    Agreed… that moron is a good indicator of whether a trade is good or not. Whatever he bitches about, the opposite is usually true.

  476. fbkj says:

    the more tony is freaking out about mara, the more i like it, considering tony’s track record of whining over every move this team makes

  477. oshawahabsfan says:

    He’s better than Henry too!

  478. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    under the present circumstances, excellent trade….MARA will help as we are drastically outmuscled on defense.

    and he cost us NOTHING… in terms of dampening our financial strength in making another move.

    Wecome back MARA…N.A.G. certified.

    1:The N.A.G.S. (North American Grit Speed) Youth Movement will bring us respect. 2: 02/09/11 never forget the masacre 3. ..call up WHITE/SHULTZ/HENRY/PAX now.

  479. MowidOnSkates says:

    I’ll be surprised to see Mara’s name engraved on the Cup the next time the Habs win it, but for a short term fix to a short term need; great.

     

    If he doesn’t work out perfectly, The Canucks will take him from Habs for more than Habs paid.

  480. oshawahabsfan says:

    Did they buzz whike you were sleeping about the Mara deal haha

  481. TheDagger says:

    YES!!!

    To Eller being in over Pyatt, not your pants buzzing. Although good for you.

  482. fbkj says:

    Pants Buzzed

    eller in, pyatt out

  483. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    I can tell you that he is.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  484. joeybarrie says:

    I LOVE PAUL MARA………. I AM VERY VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS……..

    I do not like the way he played last season though… So i do hope it was because of the injuries.

    I am glad he gets a chance to prove to us what he can do. It seems to me he was playing well in Anaheim, he was getting big minutes and only a minus 1.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  485. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    I’ve always liked Mara; big, strong guy that will drop’em in an instant to defend a team mate. He is just what we need to take out the garbage around prices net. I think people need to remember he had injury woes when he was last here so never really had the chance to show his stuff but the nights he did play he did exactley what I want a big Dman to do.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  486. Chris says:

    Representing the other side…

    Mara is not great, but his price was.  But he’s not an improvement over Picard and whatever AHL of the day they coose to bolster our fragile and broken D corps with.

    This is the essence of the disagreement.  I, and many others, simply don’t see ANY improvement via the addition of Mara.  I liked picking up Mara last year.  But then he stunk out the joint after a nice start with the team.  If we’re going to gamble, I would have liked the gamble on something where the result isn’t already pretty much known.

    I sincerely hope he surprises me and I have to eat my words.

  487. lefreak says:

    man…for the complainers.

     

    Do you really think teams are just giving away top shelf defensemen for nothing? Mara is not great, but his price was…and he is an improvement over Picard and whatever AHL of the day they choose to bolster our fragile and broken d corps with.

    We all want the blockbuster deal, but guess what they don’t happen all that much anymore.;) This is the cap era nhl. Trade deadline day will be the same thing as every year in MTL. People go crazy with rumours, only to be let down when the deadline is over.

    The Habs aren’t buyers. The Habs aren’t sellers. I’m willing to bet anything that the motives will be to stand pat barring a miraculous steal of a deal. Not likely, the price goes up as we get closer to deadline day.

    Zach Bogosian wants out of ATL, but I think there are many more teams that have more to offer for him than us…like the Oilers per se.

     

    the bonus with this deal? he is a team player and gets along with the guys here. He can also ad a bit of toughness and can drop the gloves. He isn’t Bob Probert by any means, but Travis Moen needs help because he isn’t keeping anyone honest. Mara will slightly improve this, but more toughness is needed.

  488. LA Loyalist says:

    Team toughness is winning the little scrums along the boards more often than not.

    Team toughness is taking a beating in front of either net and not getting pushed off the puck.

    Team toughness is making a play even though you know you’re about to get an elbow in the toboggan.

    Part of it is physical, part of it is mental. There are tough small players. There are soft large players.

    And the irony is the more you have of the above toughness, the less you actually have to fight to prove it.

    If you have the above, which can be taught to a larger degree than pure skill can, then when you add talent, you have something. You can not only get the puck, you can do something with it.

     

     

     

  489. fbkj says:

    im sorry but a 5th rounder for THIS

    http://5-hole.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Maras-beard1-300×200.jpg

    that alone makes it worth it

  490. coachdoug says:

    I know a guy, who has a friend, who works with a guy, that has a brother, that has a friend, that knows a guy who is close to the Habs organization…he said they are working to get Ovechkin for Gomez straight up…Habs have said they will only do it if Ovie signs up for weight watchers…

    Eklund should break this soon…

  491. observer says:

    Gainey is spreading these rumours to egg on the fans!

  492. blu3chip says:

    I have a feeling that even if some teams want Gomez, PG (BG) may not trade him.

    I think the team feels Gomez is a much more important part of the team than most of us do…

  493. gohabsgo25 says:

    the gomez trade rumors are too good to be true. were not this lucky to have him gone. but i was reading that the gm of the yotes wants gomez and wants to absorb his cap hit.

    pg get on the phone

    trade him noww

  494. Displaced says:

    I stand (on all fours) corrected.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  495. Storm Man says:

    What would happen if Mara scores the winner tonight??? Im joking. I just look forward to taking bunch of Bordens off my friends hands at the game tonight. Maybe PG will have another trade after tonight.

  496. Shiloh says:

    Does Kovalev have another year at 5 million – or is this his last?

  497. 123456 says:

    wait just a cotton picking minute there rabbit, we still have not hammered (see what i did there) out the winner of the halak/eller trade and is gomez overpaid? until these are settled we need to keep the site open.

  498. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Anyone who’s not sure if Gomez is overpaid needs to go file a malpractice suit over their botched lobotomy.

  499. Bugs says:

    Ah, indeed, Numbers. Well spotted.

    You’re lucky; swear to god, if I hadna forgotten my gloves and come back for’em, I wouldna got your message nor been able to enable the Abort Shutdown function in time.

  500. saskhabfan says:

    Would you rather give up our 1st rounder,maxpac and a prospect for a rental player like kaberle(who hasn’t played a playoff game in 7 years)? For a guy who constantly tries to make people believe he knows more then anyone else about hockey,you sure make yourself look pretty dumb on a daily basis.

  501. habstrinifan says:

    My thoughts too. LOL.

  502. LA Loyalist says:

    In the law there is an expression “warm body appearance” where the lawyer just has to show up and agree to a continuance or some purely procedural appearance.

    Mara is a warm body appearance, but given our blue line, it’s a good insurance move, not to be weighed a strategic move.

    Given Mara’s familiarity, it will be a quick fit also and we gave up little.

    And you know what? The weird injuries that happen (eg Hiller) depth is good.

     

  503. geo_habsgo says:

    Not to mention that he already knows how to play under JM and he is coming back to a team of familiar faces. That’s gotta count for something since he is going to be more comfortable here from the get go and shouldn’t have to go through too much of an acclimatization period.

  504. Habs Proud says:

    Like to majority my first reaction was we just gave Mara away is this the best PG can do, after thinking about it I don’t think its so bad at all, first off we really got him for nothing, yeah Mara cost us a 5th rounder or if you wish Laps who when he was traded most would have accepted a bag of pucks for but 5th round picks today are thrown around quite freely. What we get is spare parts that the habs need very much so as of late, Mara does nothing to fill the Markov-Gorges void but someone who does is simply not available or comes at a far too expensive price, what he does is give us someone with experience to fill in short term, both Gill and Spacek are the walking wounded, when they are both healthy Mara becomes cheap insurance and can perhaps lighten the work load a little.

  505. Habsone says:

    Man your a great GM Gauthier!! You sure know what your doing! You can sure smell Gainey in this!!!

  506. Mattyleg says:

    Man your grammar and punctuation is poor! You’re able to smell the teenager in this!!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  507. observer says:

    or left on bad terms?

  508. Bugs says:

    If Gauthier is so clearly joined at Anaheim’s hip, isn’t safe to assume he made some friends in friggin OTTAWER at some point too?

    Helloooo?

  509. smiler2729 says:

    Brendon Nash, after one game, is a key player?

  510. Chris says:

    The New York Islanders have used 8: (Tavares 1st 2009, Grabner 14th 2006, Schremp 25th 2004, Bailey 9th 2008, Okposo 7th 2006, Montoya 6th 2004, Wishart 16th 2006, DiPietro 1st 2000). 

    Vancouver have used a few:  (Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Torres, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Tambellini, Ballard, Schneider, Luongo, Hodgson and Parent).

    Philadelphia is not bad:  (Carter, Richards, Pronger, Giroux, Briere, vanRiemsdyk, Hartnell, Meszaros, Zherdev, Coburn and Boucher).

    It’s not that rare, to be honest.

  511. joshua94k says:

    The Canadiens have 8 players on their roster who were drafted in the first round. How many teams this year have 8 in thier roster who are drafted in the 1st round?

    Hamrlik 1st 1992, Pouliot 4th 2005, Price 5th 2005, Mara 7th 1997, Kostitsyn 10th 2003, Eller 13th 2007, Pacioretty 22nd 2007, Gomez 27th 1998.

    Also the following key players were undrafted: Desharnais, Darche, Halpern, Nash and Gorges.

    That’s a good job of this team’s management to draft/acquire this talent.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  512. savethepuck says:

    “Welcome Back, Paul Mara”

    He doesn’t seem to be getting a very nice welcome back from some of the posters below.  Some of you are sensible enough to realize we only gave up a 5th rounder in 2012 for a guy that is going to be 6th, 7th or 8th on our depth chart for DMen. Our blueline has been dessimated by injuries. By Gill making the trip out West, gives me some relief to know he will be back soon. By Spac not making the trip, makes me think his injury may be more serious.  When I heard of this trade. the first thing that came to my mind was when Gorges had missed a couple of games last December, the Wiz trade was announced, but within a few days we were told Gorges was gone for the season.  Without Spac, Markie and Gorges, our D is PK, Hamr. Gill, Wiz,Weber, Pic. and Mara.  I don’t see anything wrong with that. By watching our last 2 games, a shutout of the Laffs and giving up 2 goals in 65 min to a surging desperate and hot team that will make the playoffs, considering the DMen who sat out these games, I have come to the conclusion that “the system” actually works anyway.

  513. smiler2729 says:

    Michael Whalen was on TSN the other night doing a Habs story (I think it was on PK Subban), he didn’t look that well (did he have an eye procedure?).

  514. forskis says:

    Changing topic a bit…we all know that the major Canadian sports networks are based in TO and obviously they need to cater to the largest market in the country, but in needing to be a relevant national sports network, they need to cover the rest of the country as well…

    That being said….I kind of feel bad for Louis Jean of Sportsnet…he is their Habs’ reporter and the reports and articles from him are few and far between…he probably got his dream gig covering the Habs and the network needs him only once every 2 or 3 weeks…kind of like Michael Whalen of TSN (where did he go?) and now John Luu, but it seems to me that TSN is giving almost equal air time to all Canadian franchises in all sports.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  515. Bugs says:

    Ohhhh.., ok. Well, uhh, I guess that’s it. We can close down the site now; we got everything we need. Lack of size is good; case closed. Case fraggin CLOSED. Sealed and DONE. Terry has made it clear. Boom. Finished. Gotta say, I’m a little sad to see the place shut down…

    Anyway, thanks to everybody for comin out. I gotta say, it’s been real.

    Peace, y’all; good night!

  516. theremster says:

    To all the people COMPLAINING about the lack of size on the team, this is a GOOD thing. Just thought id make that clear.

  517. notbigbird says:

    Quite a Maraposa festival going on here today.

  518. Habanero Gomez says:

    Hello,

    A lot of folks focusing on Mara’s plus/minus… particularly career… Hmm… I’m not the biggest fan of that stat because it is really more of a team stat… and there are too many things that contribute to it that a player cannot control…

    Some examples of things that impact  a players +/-

    - a player is going to have a better +/- if he is on the ice when a player like Pleks is playing forward more often than versus a player like AK46…

    - the player steps on the ice for his shift and is not even five feet from the bench and a goal is scored against

    - the player is playing in front of Price this year versus playing in front of Price last year

    - even strength goals versus on the penalty kill (actually not sure if they count this or not?)

    - player is on a very good defensive team that does not give up a lot of goals versus a team with a bad goals against record…

    - plays on a team with a Vezina candidate versus an average goalie

    The only way to judge a players +/- is to look at the team’s goals against, their goalie, a teams win/loss record etc…

    Taking all the above into consideration, what else does Mara bring to the table? Size, adds depth, experience, will fight, PK time etc….

  519. coachdoug says:

    Was looking at the comments on Basu’s column…looks like Hickey was chirping him…

    Everyone stop with the Gomez trade rumors already…ain’t happening

  520. forskis says:

    So PG is the ninja of GMs…pulling off trades that are neither rumored nor even likely, huh?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  521. TheDagger says:

    Of the 401 5th Round Draft picks from 1990-2005:

    66 (16%) have played 100 or more games…

    16 (4%) have 200 or more points…

    321 (80%) haven’t laced them up at all!

    And there were plenty with less than 10 games played. So to those whining (i.e.: that observing idiot) chill, it is a fifth rounder for a depth defenceman, FIFTH!

  522. Maksimir says:

    I guess Mara will replace Nash? Too bad – I wanted to see him play… initial assessment in Buffalo was that he was pretty good?

  523. Displaced says:

    Tru Dat.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  524. twocents says:

    The team’s defense is decimated by injury. If someone else goes down, even with a minor 2-3 game injury we are deep dodo and scrambling around. This takes next to nothing out of our organizational resources.

    This isn’t about optimism, it’s about dealing with a sobering reality.

    It can only be seen as bizarre in the context of someone waiting for something big to happen. At face value, it’s a common type of NHL maneuver in this circumstance.

    We got for Lapierre, what Lapierre is worth, see Eager, Ben.

  525. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – I’m not saying that Mara is going to set the world on fire, but I think you have to look at it from the perspective of a chain reaction.

    Mara was signing in the summer to be a depth Dman for Anaheim.  Once they traded for Beauchemin, he was lowered in the peckin gorder.  The Ducks now have Sutton/Lilja/Brookbank as their 6th-8th guys.  Somebody was going to leave.

    Montreal had Picard and OB as their 7th and 8th guys with Weber waiting in the wings.  An unfortunate series of events now means they are playing out of position in terms of the depth chart.  Right now, the Habs are the opposite of Anaheim which means Mara moves in as an emergency replacement.  It’s really no different than the Islanders having to use their 4th ranked goalie.  They eventually had to go  out and get Montoya, who is a career minor-league journeyman.

    Shite happens.

  526. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    And Laps was worth nothing. A bum demanding a trade… doesnt really turn into much too often id say

  527. Displaced says:

    This trade is just bizarre – an “experienced” D man who we benched last year and the Ducks benched this year, offers little optimism that he is better than our youngsters and all but closes the loop on the notion that we gave Laps away for nothing.

    Many people here (me included) would have been happy if PG did nothing at the deadline.  Doing something invites comments.  Doing something this underwhelming invites elicits frustration. 

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  528. HabFanSince72 says:

    kidding

  529. HabFanSince72 says:

    Freaking

  530. HabFanSince72 says:

    (wait for it )

  531. HabFanSince72 says:

    Mara ????????

  532. Mike Boone says:

    Kidding?

  533. bigdave says:

    Trolling the depths on the cheap!

    Been there done that and he wasn’t good enough in June 2010 to warrant as much as a chat!

    This guy is just another slow journeyman Dman to add to the collection the Canadiens have.

    The only hope is that he is sent to Hamilton as a warm body.

     

     

    “The Allo Police Media – a collection of bitter ex-coaches, players and wannabees whose collective lack of success accounts for their present positions in Sports’ equivalent of a Jerry Springer Show”

  534. Cool Ice Price says:

    Yup. No need to get rid of anything for a rental.

  535. wildwilly says:

    Mara was ok last year… He’s got size and some grit. Does that mean Nash is going back down?

    Instead of wasting picks (even a 5th-rounder) and hoping to achieve mediocrity, why not just play the kids and concentrate on next year? Give Nash and some others playing time and get rid of Kostitsyn for another pick.

    Next year we have a real chance at the Cup. Now? Why delude ourselves… It’s not going to happen.

  536. twocents says:

    I agree MikeL, I am sitting here confounded by the strength of the reaction.

  537. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    pretty much my exact opinion in my post below. just not the blockbuster deal these fruity pebble eating children have been toying with on NHL ’11 for the past month, so understanably they’re disillusioned.

  538. MikeL says:

    I’m not quite sure why anyone would have a strong opinion on this deal – one way or another. It is what it is; a depth move where we gave up next to nothing.

    What I find strange is that there are very few comments bringing up how tough Mara is. To me, that is the key to the deal.

    If the playoffs started today, we would play the Bruins. But, picking apart the standings a little further, I would go as far to say that it is VERY likely we will play the Bruins in the first round. Here’s why; We will more than likely not jump passed Pittsburgh or Washington. We have a 5 point lead on the Rangers and I think it’s fair to say we are better than them. That leaves us either in 6th or 3rd, both more than likely facing the Bruins.

    If this trade was made a day after the game against the Bruins last week, everyone would understand. But, most seem to forget only after a week how bad our team was beat up physically in that game. Mara gives us a depth option with a lot of toughness – that’s it. And for a 5th round pick, it’s worth it.

  539. Displaced says:

    Not “sellers” per se, but thoughtful team managers as follows:

    Teams should be realistic about who is going to play a role when they can make a long playoff run.  For us, that’s not this year (a couple of players short to start – IMO and too many key inuries).  Those non-core players should be moved when they’re value is highest — like at the trade deadline.  It renews long-term franchise assets and gives management cap flexibility to add players during the off-season.

    I’d move Gomez (not a fan of his, simply based on his snarky interview style). I’d move AK – he’s not $3.5 million worth of good.  I’d love to move Spacek.  I’d move Hamr since this isn’t our year and we’ll probably lose him for nothing over the summer as UFA.  Same for Moen, Pyatt, and Halpern. 

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  540. Displaced says:

    Preaching to the choir.  Scroll way, way down Green Giant and you’ll see my earlier post that the Flyers should grab Vokoun.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  541. Displaced says:

    For $2m, absolutely.  I might even go to $3m on a one-year deal.  He can play 17-18 really good minutes per night.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  542. TomNickle says:

    The Eastern Conference makes every good team a Cup contender every year.  Gonna tell me that the Flyers are invincible with Bobrovsky in net?  I’m gonna laugh you out of the building.

  543. Shiloh says:

    I agree with you almost completely. The only one I might look at is Hamrlik. He has apparently said he would sign with Montreal at a reduced rate to finish his career here. If the price was really good (say 2-million a year for 2 years) I’d do it.

  544. KenD29 says:

    Don’t think your buddies can get any higher unless they are going to change some light bulbs.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  545. aemarchand11 says:

    Im looking for some clarification, i have seats in section 311 row B (Molson EX) is that the 2nd row of the molson ex zone????

    My buddies are in row D of 411 also in Molson Ex, so are they the last row of the building? lol

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  546. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Haha, yes that’s teen spirit in the air, for sure!

  547. punkster says:

    LOL…took me a minute to get the pew pew pew reference.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  548. BJ says:

    I fully agree on your point. And additionally there is no need to waste our future for rentals.

  549. SmartDog says:

    IMHO Gautheir continues to make shrewd, but modest moves.

    A 5th round pick is small potatoes, nothing to bother about.  And Mara, while not a great D-man is exactly the kind of depth guy we need – big and tough – AND he knows the dressing room, the city, and our system so should fit in quickly. 

     

  550. Miltie01 says:

    This is simple. Tells me Jaro is going to be out longer than expected……depth defenseman with experience to help out our young blueline…….probably spend more time in the box than on the ice.

  551. Fansincebirth says:

    A buddy of mine said RDS is reporting Spacek is gone for a while…

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  552. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    ditto… and a 5th rd in 2012, which could probably be replaced by a freezer burned bag of McCain fries from the Bell Centre concessions.

    Yeah, they stopped serving McCain i think, but i bet there’s a sack hiding in there.

  553. Habsrule1 says:

    Just like Montreal fans. Freaking out cause we gave up a 5th round, yes 5 round draft pick to get a bit of veteran depth on D until we get over the injury bug.

    Calm the F down everyone.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  554. MEGAJOSH says:

    Mara, huh? This is a positive thing. We really gave them nothing in return. A 5th round pick?? from Anaheim no less! I mean really, we lost an insignificant pick for a depth defenseman with size. I’m not complaining.

  555. Fansincebirth says:

    RDS talkback is saying that something bigger is on the horizon….

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  556. habs03 says:

    you are not getting a top 4 D-man here its a 5th round pick, but with the injuries we have, Mara for a 5th>Nash, and sometimes Picard!

  557. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    tell me about it… i was gonna respond to this nonsense, even had it typed, but frankly im tired of the catty remarks on here from our fantasy GMs. Shoulda turned that 5th into a Chris Kelly, i guess? Maybe we’re idiots too, just like that poor sap Gauthier. I mean just look what he’s done to this team!

  558. observer says:

    why with him healthy has he not played in 30 days for anaheimm and why did they healthy scratch him 23 of the last 25 games of theirs? was he playing too too good so they didnt want to use him to give the opponent a chance to win? please explain?

  559. matrags says:

    Four d men down , just a finger in the dike ,I hope, or is Gautier going to stand pat and settle for a play off walk on and out and hope for next year. The team has two glaring holes to fill compounded by the loss of Markov , We need a big moblle d men to direct play in our end and to start our transition game . We need a big center to open up the ice for our little guys . I  thought Eller was acquired to fill the center position but he has more splinters in his arse than nicks in his skate blade and we are left to wonder what did we get  for Halek. Perhaps down the road we will see but for now we are forced to hang our hopes on a diminutive walk on like dd to fill the role. Considering the four centers in Philly , the Towering Pronger on D , Gautier should atleast make sure that our slings are in perfect working order and the one true God is on our side.

  560. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Mara sucks but he can beat ass. Overall its Lapierre for two defensemen. Pretty good considering Lapierre’s uselessness is highlighted by the fact that its pretty safe to say no one on here or the team has noticed his absence. In fact sometimes i forget he was ever on the team.

    Maybe Mara never plays a full min of TOI, and so be it. Its a fifth rounder, not gonna fetch much. Not really a trade even worth criticism or praise.

  561. habs03 says:

    Paul Mara does play a gritty game, and he isn’t that bad of a depth d-man that can play both the left and side ride, “show us you are not the idiot you’ve been acting like?!?!” get a cluee buddy.

  562. shuttle-lemaire-lafleur says:

    Gimme a break…. Paul Mara….for the Love of God….Paul Mara….PG… we need toughness not Paul Mara..you can do better ……..right….. tell me you can do better, show us you are not the idiot you’ve been acting like.

  563. observer says:

    30 years gauthier never with a team in cup finals – this is why! his brain problem!

  564. Maksimir says:

    Mara?!?!!? He was terrible while here… now we got him again? Sheesh,

  565. SmartDog says:

    I agree with all of this!

    SD

  566. CanadienBoy says:

    Cheer up guys we got Mara and the Ranger got McDonagh playing 16 min. a game ,check Fox sport for the write up

  567. MowidOnSkates says:

    If Ottawa could entice ANYONE to take Kovalev or Gonchar off their hands, they should take whatever’s offered. Neither of those guys will be part of Ottawa’s next contender, and they’re ridiculously expensive. If they ship those guys out they’ll have enough cap room to bid for Crosby and both Sedins.

    Careful about waving a 2-for-1 burger coupon to the Peel Pub in front of Brian Murray — he’ll grab it and leave you with the Gonchar contract in your hand.

  568. Bill H says:

    ESPN.COM Scott Burnside wondered about the potential trade value of Ottawa’s Alex Kovalev, noting his regular season numbers are down but he’s got 21 points in his last 22 playoff games. Pierre LeBrun meanwhile suggests the market value for rental players like Kovalev has yet to be determined.

    SPECTOR’S NOTE: I doubt Kovalev gets traded but of course one shouldn’t underestimate the power of a desperate GM to overestimate a fading talent.

    Thank goodness PG is not so desperate.


  569. wmarcello says:

    I agree. It’s basically Nash or Mara. There’s already a lot of inexperience on this team. A 5th round pick is nothing. I’m glad PG didn’t make a big move for the sake of making one. This is just a temporary fix.

  570. sims says:

    essentially lapierre for mara right?  sounds good to me. 

    in addition to adding some size and grit on D… this was mainly done for the playoff beard presence

  571. Mike Boone says:

    I’m with you on this.

  572. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    It’s an  injury call up, via the Ducks. There aren’t a lot of quality d-men in the NHL, let alone floating around available. It cost next to nothing to plug a hole. It’s neither exciting nor depressing – just the stuff you have to do to get over a rough run of injuries. You aren’t going to pick up the equivalent of Markov, Spacek or Gorges. Our AHLers are inexperienced.

    I can’t see why so many posters are already upset. Marinaro will go crazy and find twenty ways to say it, but he’s paid to do that. For the rest of us, doesn’t it seem like seriously ho-hum vaguely good in a bad situation news?

  573. HFX-HabFan says:

    I like the move; I always thought it was too bad that things didn’t work out with Mara last year.  He’s a good team guy, has size, and will stand up for his teammates.  If he’s our seventh D once everyone is back and healthy, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    And don’t forget the awesomeness of his beard either.

  574. Cool Ice Price says:

    Mara again! That was the best PG could do? WOW.

    Keep Nash up & send Spacek down to Hamilton.

  575. SeriousFan09 says:

    Spacek’s an over-35 contract (and I think his injury prompted the Mara deal, could be worse than expected), sending him to HAM doesn’t take care of cap space issue if that’s what you are thinking. Nash looked good, but he’s not played more than 34 games in his last 4 seasons and while I like Nash as a long-term prospect he’s not an ideal choice to be a part of the final stretch run, he doesn’t have the pro experience yet and we’re already breaking in two kids on the D-corps.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  576. badbalance says:

    And now rent out Kaberle for this season and scratch Picard and we could be set on D

  577. SeriousFan09 says:

    Kaberle’s gotten soft and is declining. Honestly, I don’t expect him to do much when he most likely leaves TOR this season. I think despite his less than cordial relationship with Burke (Who’s been trying to sell him like a Sotherby’s auctioneer for two years) he’s a guy who is going to leave his heart in TOR just like Sundin did.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  578. FrederictonHabsfan says:

    Why?

     

    Nash did a good job filling in. I understand the need for D right now, but Mara isn’t a better option than what we have.  He’s big, but that’s about it.

     

    I hope this isn’t the last move they plan on making to help the D.

  579. SeriousFan09 says:

    We already are breaking in two rookies on defence and those guys at least had a year (Weber had 2 and a bit) of AHL experience. I like Nash, I like his potential as a prospect but he’s already played 17 more games than he has in any of his four previous years playing hockey and we can’t expect a guy without much pro experience and facing a schedule more than 2x as long as he’s used to be a big part of the final stretch.

    I think this indicates that Spacek’s health may be a little more questionable than we’d like.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  580. TheDagger says:

    Yeha, seeing as there are 30 first round picks every year, and careers can be quite long. Not all make it or play long, but that still leaves quite a few former first rounders out there available to 30 teams. There will be teams with quite a few then..

  581. Displaced says:

    He’s wothless and we paid nothing, but what does trading for him say about the health of our current veteran D or confidence in an emerging youth?

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  582. Displaced says:

    Flyers: Agreed, anything sub 2.50 is respectable, but is it enough when they’re all-in? 

    Tampa: Roloson was an upgrade, but I’d be hard pressed to say he’s a “solution”. 

    Ottawa: Karlson – totally, he their PK.  Spezza – maybe.  Alfie – that’s just sentimental respect.  He’s old.  He’s not likely to be a factor when they are re-stocked, his cap hit is high (actually salary drops off).  Bill Belichek is my salary cap management idol.   He’d move Alfie in a second and pick up the pieces to keep his team at the top. 

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

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