Wedding part of busy summer for Habs’ Gorges

This has been a busy summer for Canadiens defenceman Josh Gorges, who flew to Hawaii last month to wed Maggie Morrison in a storybook wedding.

“It was everything I hoped it would be, and more,” Gorges told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs. “We wanted a small, intimate wedding and that’s exactly what it was, just closest of family and friends there (about 55 in all).

“When Maggie and I decided to go to Maui to be married, she took on all the work. I just kinda sat back and did whatever she told me to do that would help,” he added, laughing. “It wasn’t much. It was all Maggie.”

The newlyweds will be in Washington state in a few weeks for the wedding of goalie Carey Price and his fiancée, Angela Webber, who were at Gorges’s ceremony, and then will travel back to Montreal to fine-tune preparations for next month’s training camp.

Meanwhile, Alex Galchenyuk earned himself a little downtime this summer after his successful rookie season with the Canadiens.

“I took a trip to Miami to watch a Miami Heat playoff game, which was a lot of fun,” Galchenyuk told Canadiens.com during an appearance at the Habs’ hockey school in Brossard.

Earlier in the week, Connor McDavid, who is looking to become only the sixth 16-year-old to make Team Canada for the world junior tournament, was in Brossard for the national team’s summer evaluation camp.

“I would say my favourite Habs player is P.K. Subban,” McDavid said. “I know his younger brother, Jordan (a defenceman with the Belleville Bulls, who was drafted by the Vancouver Canucks this year), and I’ve been following P.K. when I got to know Jordan. Obviously, (P.K.’s) an unbelievable player and he had a great year this year winning the Norris (Trophy).”

McDavid added that he thinks the Canadiens have one of the nicer uniforms in the National Hockey League.

“I think they have great uniforms,” he said. “I would say they’re probably some of the better jerseys in the league, but my favourite is probably Detroit’s.”

When it was mentioned he’d look quite good wearing a Canadiens sweater, McDavid chuckled and said: “That would be something pretty special.”

(Photo by Dave Sidaway/The Gazette)

Marriage part of a busy summer for Habs’ Gorges, by Dave Stubbs

Summer of Galchenyuk, Canadiens.com

McDavid could be a Sweet 16 for Team Canada, montrealgazette.com

Habs reaching out to their fans via their phones, montrealgazette.com

313 Comments

  1. on2ndthought says:

    As far as defensive systems, I thought great things about how we contained the opposition, especially in the neutral zone at the start of the season. When a winger was skating up the boards, our center would skate parallel to him, the winger would trail him, and he’d have nowhere to put the puck. The D on his side stood up at the blue line and the opposite side got turned around to chase the dump, really the only play for the puck carrier.

    If we recovered the puck, we (usually) cleared the zone quickly. It was when the opposition got control that the “swarm’ was utilized, and very effectively (most of the season). Again I don’t think the purpose was to overload the player, but to take passing lanes away. Of course it is easier to wrap the puck around the boards when you are set up offensively, and that sets up the swarm on the other side and suddenly your players are running around a lot , the longer the cycle goes. When we lost Emelin we lost a big minutes D who could step into the cycle and compete physically for the puck. That left Subban, Gorges and Franky B, and Tinordi as guys with the physical tools to try that. I think Tinordi was told to stay close to the net (or behind it) so he wouldn’t be exposed along the boards by skilled guys. This is when our defense broke down more, not a fault with the system, but because we no longer had the personnel to run it in our zone.

    “a cannonading drive”

  2. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs – Habs golf tourney is Sept. 3 at Laval-sur-le-Lac; fans can see players arriving at entrance but will not have access to club grounds.
    Habs rookie camp Sept. 5-10, main camp begins w/ medicals Sept. 11, on ice likely next day. Both in Brossard, public welcome for on-ice.

    • savethepuck says:

      Getting excited. We are on the homestretch and hockey is just around the corner.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  3. Un Canadien errant says:

    And now Danario Alexander has torn his ACL at Chargers camp. Not the previously repaired one, the ‘good’ one. That’s three ACL’s this off-season.

    I wonder if Shawne Merriman can catch the ball?

  4. savethepuck says:

    Does everyone get the same “You Might Also Like” or is it an individual thing. This one came up and I had to click on it;

    http://grist.org/list/vibrating-bicycle-seat-ought-to-make-bikes-more-popular/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=outbrain-trending;

    If it’s based on something I’m searching while on here, I’ll have to stop clicking on Timo’s links.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Timo says:

      You don’t want to experience a… “happy ride”? :)

      • savethepuck says:

        I think the target market for this item is females, or least I hope it is.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      I don’t think WordPress (the software behind the site) looks at your cookie for “feature articles”. However, even if they have their limitation, Chrome’s Incognito , Mozilla’s Private and Internet Explorer InPrivate mode should be your best friend when browsing.

  5. twilighthours says:

    I just lowered the blade on the lawnmower. It was satisfying.

    That was not a euphemism.

  6. B says:

    Another goal for Lehkonen. 3-1 Finland in the 2nd

    http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/game/game_sheet/5419467

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That kid is starting to make me look bad.

      At pick #55 though, we’re starting to fishtail off the road. I really don’t discount that Arturri Lehkonen is a highly skilled forward, and I understand that he’s already playing with men in Finland. Still, I’ll believe when I see him scoring a goal while chewing on Dion Phaneuf’s VaporLite.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-canadiens-2013-re-draft.html

      - Pick #55: A puzzling pick, the Canadians grab Arturri Lehkonen. Not happy. He plays the role already filled by Sebastian Collberg and Charles Hudon.

      My comments at the time say it all. I felt he was the proverbial ice machine to the Inuit, more of what we already had. Since then, I’ve had the opportunity to acquaint myself with this prospect more, and while some aspects are enticing, such as his play against grown men in the Finnish league, and his obvious skill with the puck, others are worrisome, like his frail build, and his concussions sustained last season.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/a-critique-of-canadiens-2013-draft.html

      • savethepuck says:

        At 55th overall, possibly he was by far the best player available. Sometimes if you have too much of the same thing, you can trade to a team that has what you need and a shortage of what you have.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

      • Timo says:

        Let’s see if this kid ever makes it to the NHL and if he does, how he will do. Can he top David Desharnais? (clue… no one can)

      • SmartDog says:

        I can take a couple more 5’11″ guys if they’re really good.

        Plekanec is not big but big enough and skilled enough to play against anyone.

        And as long as we get enough size to not be small… which looks like we’re on the way with Patches/Eller/McCarron/Subban/Tinordi and a few other prospects.

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        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  7. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Un Canadien errant

    An interesting read as usual, yet your statement ” Also, goalies now play the butterfly, the percentages, they’re not ‘reaction’ goalies like before, who would see the puck and stack the pads” ….provokes some debate.

    There is a good chance that the pure robotic ‘Allaire Butterfly’ may find its way to the trash bin sooner than later.

    The great performing goalies of the recent past seem to be taking a newer ‘hybrid’ approach to change the outright predictability of the pure butterfly guy.

    In this now modern era, Dominik Hasek may be its grandfather while Marty Brodeur excelled in that approach.

    Recent Cup winners such as Jonathan Quick, Tim Thomas, Corey Crawford employed the hybrid approach along with other outstanding goalies such as Rask, Miller, Lundqvist, Howard, and Rinne.

    An interesting read about Crawford was his changing approach to the game going from a pure butterfly approach to a more hybrid style that caused difficulty for him last year, yet proved Cup winning this year.

    Great read here:
    http://ingoalmag.com/news/rask-vs-crawford-breaking-down-cup-final-goalies/

    …and what should excite Habs fans even more, is that our newly appointed goalie coach Stephane Waite was instrumental in teaching and helping Corey Crawford become an elite NHL goalie with a technique based upon Henrik Lundqvist and his ” deep inside-out approach” instead of an over aggressive or pure butterfly approach.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Yeah, I’m certainly not an expert on goalies, but this is the answer I’ve come up with when I ask myself why is everyone blocking shots nowadays when it was drilled into me in no uncertain terms never to do that. Ever. Again. You dipstick.

      Your nuances are well-taken. Except that part about Dominik Hasek, it sounded complimentary, and we can’t have that.

  8. sweetmad says:

    According to Jamie Mc on That’s hockey yesterday, Carey is a lock to go to Soshi,although I don’t think anybody is a lock at this time.

    He said that one of CP’s strenghts was not letting in 5 hole goals which CP did at the end of last season,which was untypical for him,all you stats guys must be able to find out,what CP’s stats are for where most of his goals against come from because I would really like to know.JMc said he was weak on the low blocker side,but I always though,it was high glove side.

    As for Gorges I love this guy, alright he didn’t have the best of seasons,but nor did a lot of players around the league.

    I have never played sports,but I have been on stage a few times,and I should imagine,getting ready for a season is like rehearsing for first night,which is what your geared up to,when that season doesn’t start on schedule,you lose the impetuous in your mind set and training.I could never imagine having first night,postponed for weeks,I would forget my lines and cues and everything,I would lose all my impetuous, and never get back to the right mindset.I think it could very well be like that for players,and it wasn’t just JG, it happened to a few around the league.
    GO HABS GO

  9. frontenac1 says:

    Oysters Raw on the half shell are great amigo. Never eat them cooked or fried! What’s the point? Like eating Beef “well done” or drinking”light”beer. Life is way too short for that nonsense. Saludos!

    • Maritime Ron says:

      You brought tears to my eyes…
      :-)

      Raw PEI Malpeques have no competition.
      They are the best!
      Our gang gets together during the autumn season and get cases delivered by a trusted source. (refrigeration from start to finish is key)

      For those not sure about the raw oyster, the 1st and big test is the ‘Smell Test’ both before and after shucking.
      If it smells ‘off’ just chuck it.
      If the shell is slightly open, tap it. If it doesn’t close, chuck it.
      Of course if anyone has an allergy or some other gastrointestinal issues, avoidance of the raw would be a wise course of action.

      Trust me, you never want to experience any shell fish stomach issues.
      Then make sure the liquid inside isn’t too cloudy.
      Great to experiment outside the splash of lemon. Try some Tabasco or horseradish.

      As for shucking techniques and not harming yourself, go to Youtube…it’s not as difficult as what it appears to be.

      • Luke says:

        There are some guys local to me (I’ll shill for them: http://www.tideandvine.com) that have been attending quite a lot of events in my area.

        They put out quite a spread, and use a variety of Oysters & dressings.

        Like I said, I’ve only dabbled, but they are at a local winery all month and doing Oyster and Wine pairings… I figure there are worse ways to spend a Saturday afternoon.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Hi Luke

          Just a preference from here, but I just don’t get oysters and wine
          :-)

          Don’t get me wrong.
          Wine is my preferred drink, and my wife will tell you whine is my attitude when she shops, yet oysters were made for beer.

          Some of my buds will actually shuck a beer mug full of oysters and have a mug of beer beside it.
          Once done, it’s a fiesta of alternate gulps of beer and oysters.
          The eyes tell the story…

  10. Luke says:

    Today’s Food discussion:

    Oysters.

    Yay or Nay?

    Just starting to dabble with them… not sure what my opinion is yet.
    But I’ve tried them (Malpeques I think) with a dash of Vodka and Lemon and with Gin and Cucumber. That was pretty good…

    Texture wise? Still a bit iffy.

  11. twilighthours says:

    Interesting stuff, Chris.

    Yes, the system you described could be considered to differ from the box-plus-1, which is the standard defensive alignment coached in hockey from Peewee on up. Most coaches have their own guidelines on when to break the box-plus-1: when the weak side winger commits, when the centre commits, even when the weak side defenseman commits. So it’s definitely a more structured system., as opposed to what you’re calling the swarm.

    As a counter to structure… there’s old adage that every coach learns when he passes Coaching 101: when you don’t have the puck, always be moving towards the puck. You might have heard Pete DeBoer use that exact phrase when he was working for the Panthers. He employed an aggressive checking system all over the ice, and I remarked to myself a few times that year, “man, these Panthers are hard to play against.”

    It’s the basic philosophy of “I’m going to take away your space as quickly as I can. You’ll either throw the puck away or I’ll separate you from it if you try to beat me.” And therefore the primary advantage is to get the puck back as quickly as possible.

    As to your disadvantages, listed in numbered form:

    1) I don’t concede this as a disadvantage, if the system is played properly. If you’re going to trust your players to be fit enough, to be fast enough to get a shoulder on the puck carrier quickly enough, then you’re assuming that a pass through a seam is unlikely to happen, or you concede the unlikely possibility of a perfect pass beating you.

    2) I see your point here, but I don’t necessarily see this breakdown as any worse than a breakdown in, say, last year’s Rangers’ system – which was as passive as you’ll find in the defensive zone in the NHL. Lots of deflected shots still get through, even in a passive system. And plenty of energy is spent juking back and forth trying to get into shooting lanes or passing lanes. A system like the Rangers’ still gives up a good shot when it breaks down.

    3) Yes, I see this as the main disadvantage of an aggressive system. The lack of structure for a breakout. The flip-side, however, is that if a team is really committed to this defensive system, it will often suck an opposing defenseman into a bad pinch, and then poor spacing on the breakout is irrelevant because the defensive team is now off on an odd-man rush anyway.

    The system requires exceptional fitness, and discipline (a different kind of discipline in a more structured system), and huge trust in your teammates that they will be there for the puck or for support if you get beaten. Now you might argue that the Habs didn’t have the fitness level or commitment to this system, but that’s not a problem with the system itself. It’s not for every team, but as Maritime Ron said, a system is only as good as the buy-in from the players.

    As to whether the Habs played this system exclusively, or most of the time… Without going back and watching 53 games, I don’t know if I’d agree with that. There were definitely times when they did, but I don’t know if I’d call it the majority of the time. It’s a subtle thing, though. The box-plus-1 can easily look like a swarm if the centre commits to forcing a turnover. But, as you said, it’s understandable if Therrien did instruct his guys to help more… they aren’t physically overwhelming. (And this is why I’m in the camp of “bigger defensemen, please” – so we don’t always have to employ a system where we must outman the opponent to regain the puck). As to whether they ran around more last year than in previous years… funny, but I disagree. I saw quick, efficient puck retrieval and zone clearance. At least until the last few weeks of the season.

    I recommend that you try to coach a system like this sometime. You’re certainly enough of a student of the game that you could do it. Get your team out for some crazy dry-land stuff. Wind sprints, Hi-intensity interval stuff, get them crazy fit. And then let them loose on an unsuspecting opponent. It’s fun to watch.

    • Chris says:

      As has been described by others, the idea of an overload defence is as old as the game itself. It is merely the frequency with which it is employed in the game and whether the system in place is the best fit for the players that you have implementing it that I would question.

      I don’t believe this is the best system for the Canadiens defence personnel, and I felt it ended up in too many chances for the opposing team by the end of the year. I agree that it requires a large amount of physical conditioning, which we probably all agree is still coming up to speed in Montreal. Like you said, the Panthers played a very aggressive defensive system as well and they were a tough team to beat. But more often than not, teams did beat them.

      Boston is another example of a team that plays a tremendously aggressive defensive system, but I like theirs far better. In the Bruins’ case, they play a system where individuals aggressively challenge their mark. Boston is much more of a man-on-man defense, relying on superior decision making and work ethic by their players to make everything work. If an opponent does beat his defender, he’s still got limited options because the rest of the Bruins defenders have got their area of the ice covered. NHL players, even the worst ones, are so good that they will frequently beat what the defensive system is throwing at them.

      What bothered me most about the swarm is that I actually do see some merit in being hyper-aggressive while defending in the offensive and defensive zones, and I didn’t see much of that from the Habs. They seem to wait until the puck is in their end to really attack with gusto.

      These types of systems have been used in other sports. A great example was when AC Milan used a hyper-aggressive swarming defence against Barcelona in the Champion’s League this year, trying to rob that team of their time and space to limit damaging build-up from occurring. It worked through one game (they won 2-0 at home), but then Barcelona made some small adjustments, broke it down pretty quickly in the second leg (5 minutes in when Lionel Messi was able to use his other-worldly skill to beat his defenders), and Milan’s players visibly deflated as the Barcelona players gained confidence that they could break it.

      Montreal’s Swarm was effective early because I don’t think teams knew what was coming and Montreal’s speedy forwards helped take away time to make smart decisions. But once teams havd 10-20 games worth of tape, they were able to limit the takeaways and transition game for the Habs, and the risk of the system didn’t really merit the decreasing rewards.

      • twilighthours says:

        “Montreal’s Swarm was effective early because I don’t think teams knew what was coming and Montreal’s speedy forwards helped take away time to make smart decisions. But once teams havd 10-20 games worth of tape, they were able to limit the takeaways and transition game for the Habs, and the risk of the system didn’t really merit the decreasing rewards.”

        Or the players started to get hurt and tired, and couldn’t run it as effectively.

        I’d argue that Boston’s defensive zone efficiency has a lot to do with their best defensive players also being big, strong, and physical. It’s a lot easier to be 1-on-1 aggressive and win the puck back when you’re stronger than the other guy.

        Once again, there are a lot of ways to coach a team, a lot of ways to win a cup. There’s no magic formula. Each approach has its own merits. You’ve called the “swarm” some pretty horrible things, and I disagree that it is inherently bad.

        This is a great place to discuss hockey ideas (and pizza, politics, Timo, etc), but ultimately there are no pro coaches on this site. I can only offer my experience as a one-time and sometime-again-in-the-future coach, but I have never felt justified in criticizing an NHL coach. I can see the decisions they are making and understand why they might make them. But their understanding of the game is far above mine.

        I guess what I’m saying is this: I don’t think Therrien employed an aggressively-outman system as often as you think, and even if he did, I don’t think I’m in a position to say he was wrong to do it.

        Unless you consider every non-cup-winning season a failure, in which case 29 coaches were failures.

        • Chris says:

          Like you, I’ve coached enough (in my case, it has been soccer) to know that coaching is not at all easy.

          But I am always wary of outside the box systems (Guy Boucher’s 1-3-1 defensive scheme is another oone that comes to mind in this regard) because I think just about every defensive permutation has been tried at the NHL level.

          Defence is not rocket science, but it is stupidly hard at the same time. I disagree with you that playing strong defence requires big, strong forwards. It certainly helps, but guys like David Krejci (6’0″, 188 pounds), Gregory Campbell (6’0″, 197 pounds), Chris Kelly (6’0″, 198 pounds), Brad Marchand (5’9″, 183 pounds), Daniel Paille (6’0″, 200 pounds), and Rich Peverley (6’0″, 195 pounds) didn’t necessarily excel because of size and strength. They excel through sheer hard work.

          Montreal still has a lot of passengers when it comes to defensive hockey. Therrien will be very good at making some of those guys into much better defensive players (I’m thinking of Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Desharnais in particular here). When that happens, the team will be much stronger defensively, and they won’t need gimmicks to do it.

          The Swarm is a cover for the defensive holes in the roster, particularly among the forwards. I call it horrible things because I think that the system has unfairly dumped a lot of criticism onto the defencemen who have been left holding the bag for a system that does not play to their strengths.

          That being said, I am intrigued by Jean-Jacques Daigneault as a defensive coach and I will be curious to see what he cooks up now that they have some time to implement something a little more professional.

          As to whether we are in the position to criticize the coaches, of course not. But that will never stop us from questioning the leadership of certain players, the work ethic or desire of others, the tactics of the coaching staff or the personnel decisions of the scouts and management.

          Very few, if any of us, have even come close to earning any of these rights through our own accomplishments. But to be honest, it isn’t necessary. The fun here is that we all have our opinions about what the team needs (I find the big, physical defenceman requirement to be a red herring, personally, but I concede that this is a minority opinion). As long as we are willing to back the point up, I don’t see much harm in our criticisms.

  12. habs001 says:

    Not sure if a combination of Plecks,Moen,Gion,white,Eller can make the Habs pk into top 10…but they have to be better than last year…If PK plays more on the pk that will help because Markov,Cube,Gorges and Diaz are passive type pk d…they let the other team set up and that will not make you a top pk team…The Habs pp was way better vs these type of pk teams….they struggled vs aggressive pk teams…

    • doc359 says:

      I think a PK group of Gorges-PK, and Tinordi-Cube will do quite well.
      The forwards is tougher to say.
      Pleks-Prust, Eller-White maybe? (I assume Moen will be sitting out for atleast some games since we will have quite of few players trying out for the 4th line)

  13. habs001 says:

    Gorges is a mid level d …he is okay as long as he gets no pp time .

  14. Chrisadiens says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/insane-boston-bruins-tattoo-features-bear-mauling-subban-161555246.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    So many things I could say about this. I’ll let you guys comment.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  15. Un Canadien errant says:

    Arik Parnass cover #24 of “Eyes on the Prize”s 25 Under 25 series.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/top-25-under-25/2013/8/8/4592234/2013-habs-top-25-under-25-24-mac-bennett

  16. Un Canadien errant says:

    A couple of thoughts:

    1) Again, the notion that Josh Gorges can put on appreciably more muscle is a pipe dream. Josh Gorges is not a skinny fat kid who can fill in and add 10-15 pounds of muscle on his frame. He’s a grown man, he’s as big as he’s going to get, he’s mature physically. Further, he trains diligently with his Kelowna Rockets buddies in the off-season, guys like Shea Weber and Nolan Yonkman. Carey Price joins them for some of their summer regimen.

    We can wish Josh was bigger, but not that he would train any harder. He’s doing everything possible to be as fit and strong as he can be. If he shows up at camp one year ten pounds heavier, and it’s not due to cheeseburgers, I’m checking his phone to see if he has BioGenesis on speed-dial.

    Josh Gorges is a 6’1″, 200 lbs defenceman, that’s who he is.

    2) The guys who block shots aren’t just effective when they actually block one, it’s all the other shots that don’t happen because they’re in the frickin’ way. It happens all the time, you’re a defenceman at the blue line in the offensive zone, you get a hold of the skittering puck that someone tried to clear out of the zone off the boards, and by the time you’ve settled it down and taken a step to the inside and looked up, there’s a forward bearing down on you. So you give a head bob and a half windup, and that makes him square up and coast in, you go further in and draw back again, but now a dman has gotten in the lane and you can’t see the net, so you try to change the shot angle but by now the forward is right on top of you, and your defence partner is covered so you can’t deal him the puck, so now you kind of flip the puck in the corner in a panic, and hope your winger can get it back. And the shot blockers have done their job.

    At least that’s the way it would work for me, I didn’t quite have the Guy Lapointe or Andrei Markov moves. And that’s how the Hal Gills and Josh Gorges change the game, it’s by routinely being in the right position to be able to block the shot, and forcing another play.

    When I was playing minor hockey, we were told/taught not to try to block shots, to let the goalie handle it, he had the padding on, that’s his job. If we tried to block, we’d just screen him, and possibly cause a deflection. Still, I’d sometimes be scrambling to get back in position and see a guy wind up, and lunge at the puck with a skate or my stick as it whistled by, and yeah, often it would end up in my net.

    Nowadays, the equipment for d-men is much better, so they can absorb the impact of the puck, something it couldn’t do for me twenty years ago, when I broke a bone in my foot taking a slapshot on my skate. They can be a little bit braver.

    Also, goalies now play the butterfly, the percentages, they’re not ‘reaction’ goalies like before, who would see the puck and stack the pads. Now they try to get in the right position, come out so as to cut down the angles as best they can, flare out their big pads and hide as much of the net as possible. Sure, a d-man trying to block a shot can screen them or deflect a puck into the net, but more likely he’ll deflect off to the side. A deflection that carries through to the net is again more likely to hit the goalie than find open net.

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    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake..–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • zephyr says:

      I only read ur first point but I think ur wrong. I started lifting again when I turned 40. I lost 4 inches off my waist pretty quick & added about 35 lbs of muscle over a few years. i’m 51 now (6’3 & 250) & I bench 315 lbs. for 6 reps in my final set. squat 405 (not full squats) for 6 reps in my final set & power clean 205 for 6 reps. I don’t even work out real hard any more. not much point except to stay in shape & not get hurt doing it. i’m sure nobody is interested in what I lift but i’m giving u this info to make a point.
      there’s no reason georges (or anyone else his age) can’t muscle up cleanly. I thought it might have robbed a guy of his speed to some degree but pk is living proof that it doesn’t.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        zephyr, congrats on your results in the gym, those are really impressive totals. As concerns Josh though, we have to realize that he’s not an untrained athlete who can make astonishing gains by hitting the gym, he’s already close to peak ability, any gains will be incremental. Also, while hockey players still hoist some serious iron, they do compound movements and don’t isolate anymore, but the focus is on functional strength, not gym strength. So lots of power training, core work, movements that incorporate balance and comparatively less weight instead of a stable base and maximum weight.

        Also, hockey players do a lot of off-season training, and then the grind of the season undoes a lot of that work. As I’ve written before, when a player says that he’s put on “ten pounds of pure muscle” over the off-season, a lot of that is just normal recuperation that would happen if he just sat on the couch for three months. So six or eight of those ten pounds are muscles taking on more water and glycogen because they’re having the opportunity to replenish, the final few pounds are legit.

        I’ll repeat that Josh isn’t noodling around, he’s working hard in the gym, under the supervision of a personal trainer who’s highly qualified. He’s not wasting his time, and there are no low-hanging fruits. It’s not like he’s training wrong, and if he changed his routine he could pack on ten pounds easily. Josh is aware that bigger and stronger would be to his advantage, he’d get there if he could.

        • zephyr says:

          some of what u say is true. I have some knowledge about these things & I use a regimen given to me by a strength coach who trains pro & olympic athletes.
          the strength coach of the argos told me (about 25 yrs ago) that the best athletes in the world can add about 12 lbs of muscle per year. the rest is mostly fat. I don’t doubt georges is working hard but if he isn’t adding some muscle & weight, he’s doing the wrong thing. pk obviously did it very successfully. maybe he should use pk’s trainer.
          I read once that gretzky wouldn’t lift weights because he thought it would hurt his game. maybe so. maybe he’s a special case. it sure has worked for some others incl eric cole & gary roberts – just to name a couple off the top of my head. they had some amazing season after gaining serious muscle & it helped them not get hurt so often.
          some of these guys look like birds without their feathers.
          strength coaches know how best to maintain strength & weight. all althletes lose weight during a grueling season. I would think the goal during the season would be to maintain the progess u’ve made in the off season. that’s when u have the opportunity for growth and not just to put back the whatever’s been lost from the past season.
          10-15 lbs of muscle is not going to hurt georges’ game. it will improve his ability to handle the bigger forwards when the refs put away their whistles. otherwise, he’s a liability in the playoffs because he’s undersized & he’s not an offensive force. that’s the reality.
          ditto for diaz (except his offense is better). pk has set the example.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I think we agree for the most part. Resistance and strength training will help almost any athlete, and the whole ‘too bulky, musclebound’ myth has been shattered.

            I think Josh is a slow-twitch guy, whereas P.K. is most probably a fast-twitch guy, based on his play and immense strength. Further, P.K. is just about done filling out, while Josh is mature. Applying what P.K. did to Josh is problematic.

            Back in the eighties when I trained really hard, I’d read “Muscle and Fitness” and discuss some of the programs outlined in there with some coaches and trainers, and they’d tell me that for a trained athlete, gaining any more than two pounds per year of muscle weight was a pipe dream. Now a lot of posters on here have told me that’s poppycock, and that modern training methods have blown through that ceiling, but I have to take the miraculous gains claimed by athletes with a grain of salt. If they were training hard before, they haven’t put on another ten or twelve pounds of beef, they’ve caught up to where they were last season and made incremental gains from there. For a trained athlete to put on 12 pounds in one year, I have to think they weren’t ‘trained’ to begin with, and that it’s not a sustainable pace anyhow. Are they going to be 35 lbs heavier after three years? You can see how these numbers don’t make sense, they’re best-case scenarios, starting with a lot of headroom.

            I remember Wayne Gretzky once being tested in training camp, and he had horrible upper body strength, but I can’t recall if they specified what test they used (flexed-arm hang? pushups? bench press?) Anyway, he came in dead last, and cracked when people were marveling at his poor results: “Am I stronger than my mother?”

            So Wayne did what he did with agility, quickness, puck skills, and amazing vision and hockey sense, and a lot of on-ice work. He bought in to the whole ‘musclebound’ myth and it doesn’t look like it affected him, how could it have when you look at his production, but I can’t believe that it would have hurt him to be more well-conditioned.

            So yeah, if Josh and Raphaël Diaz can add “10-15 lbs of muscle”, I’m on board, they’d benefit, but I just don’t know that that’s achievable for them. I don’t know what Mr. Diaz’ training regimen is, but the Gary Roberts approach to fitness training for hockey has permeated the sport, it’s not a secret anymore. Pierre Allard of the Canadiens is on these guys, monitoring them, checking in with them, they’re not unaware of what gains they could make if they train right.

            Follow the link below to read more about Josh’s summer training program.

            http://www.kelownacapnews.com/news/128427118.html

  17. La Duke 16 says:

    Looks like Gorge should hit the gym with Eller and add 20 pounds!!

    Remember the special diet Subban went on 2 years ago and added some serious weight – became the Norris champ with it.

    An added 20 pounds of muscle can deliver a serious pounding on the offensive stars in the eastern conference.

    Gorge needs some immediate protein shakes….

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  19. Chrisadiens says:

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=82497

    So, about that swarm defense. Emile Bouchard was the obvious founder of the idea. At number 3 on the above link, Emile was a beekeeper turned hockey great. Learn something new everyday.

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  20. D Mex says:

    Interesting Bleacher article entitled ‘ Most Beloved Figures in Montréal History ‘ lists
    (1) J Béliveau, (2) M Richard, (3) H Morenz, (4) G Lafleur and (5) S Koivu at the top of the list, with K Dryden and H Richard as Honorable Mentions.

    Impossible to put something like this out there without inviting debate from Habs fans but, despite the courage and other pluses he brought to the team, it’s tough to rationalize Saku being placed so close to the top.

    Here’s the link >> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1728451-ranking-the-5-most-beloved-figures-in-montreal-canadiens-history/page/2

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    • doc359 says:

      I think he gets a huge pump from the fact that he is much more recent than the others, so for a whole generation of habs fans (such as myself), he is the one we can actually remember and appreciate.

      • Walmyr says:

        agree doc…

        I’m 31 years old…so Koivu is for sure on that list…

        and “Most Beloved Figures in Montréal History” is not the same thing as “Best players in Montreal History”…

        cheers

    • Timo says:

      You now it’s a bullshit report when MAB is not on the list.

    • Sportfan says:

      No offense to Saku, but he should be honorable mention not number 5.

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    • junyab says:

      The amount of charity work Saku did for Montreal is jaw dropping. And what he overcame off the ice was TV movie material.

      Every Habs fan my age I know would have him top 5 without question.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Reading D’Arcy Jenish’s book “The Canadiens” right now, and it’s hard to argue that list. It’s a good representation of the most popular Canadiens of their eras. You can’t argue #’s 1, 2, 3, and 4, maybe I’d flip 1 and 2, Maurice Richard struck a particular chord in Quebec psyche, but I guess Jean Béliveau has had staying power and the fact that he’s still associated with the Canadiens adds to his legend.

      Saku was here during a fallow period, and he certainly represents the post-Seventies-dynasty teams most popular players. It could have been Patrick Roy, but it isn’t because.

  21. ClutchNGrab says:

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/07/even-with-a-norris-trophy-subban-has-room-for-improvement/

    Can somebody explains to me the goal of that article besides stirring the pot on whether pk should have won the norris almost two months after the fact?

    It’s not like anybody commented on it recently, there are no recent citations in that article, nothing. The only comments come from Therrien and it was made in May.

    And then the comments… sigh

    • Bill says:

      There is just something about the tone of a lot of stories and comments about Subban. Something really condescending and disdainful.

      The writer basically suggests Subban was not a deserving winner. His compliments are all backhanded stuff about how he’s less bad at defense and less cockynthan he used to be.

      Therrien’s comments are the same. He sounds like a fool saying Subban is “more dependable than he was a few years ago”, since Subban has played exactly 2.5 seasons of hockey. Hey Michel, you have one really good defenseman: why don’t you try to hang on to him? And hey, maybe try using him on your sucky penalty kill? Funny how your penalty kill sucks when you dont use your superstar dman on it, eh?

      And the reader comments are the usual idiocy you would see on tsn.ca articles. They call Subban “a joke” and pump up Suter like some kind of god. Like, who outside of Minnesota ever even sees Suter play? Give me a break.

      Subban is the man. An award is just an award: no one is “the best” dman, because there are a lot of skills involved. But I would not trade Subban one for ome for any other dman. And he’s only 23.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s the acid test isn’t it? Despite all the commentors from other locales who downplay our guy, there’s no other defenceman that I would trade him for now. I wouldn’t trade him for Ryan Suter and the Wild’s #2 defenceman.

        P.K. has a couple more years of this to look forward to. If he keeps playing like he did last season, and shows the same level of discipline to not have the antics that would rub opponents and Jack Edwards the wrong way, if he piles up the points and charges around his net cradling the puck with one hand, leaving forecheckers in his wake, if he makes Team Canada and shows the entire world what he can do and helps us win a gold medal, which they would get to appreciate without the lens of their anti-Habs bias, and comes up huge in the playoffs, making the highlight reels with his one-timer goals, the Mike Richards comments will drop off the forefront of the hockey public’s consciousness.

        • Chris says:

          After the rookie season just put up by Jonas Brodin (2 goals, 11 points, 23:12 average ice time, including 2:00 on the penalty kill), I think you would have to take Suter (who doesn’t give up much to Subban) and Brodin if that deal were ever offered. :)

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Call me sentimental, but I would not. I got burned before, we traded away John Van Boxmeer, Rod Langway, Chris Chelios, Éric Desjardins, I’m not going through that again.

            Plus the Suter kid is the offspring of the guy who elbowed Wayne Gretzky. He’s tainted.

          • Chris says:

            Well, to be fair, Ryan Suter is not Gary Suter’s son. He is Gary Suter’s nephew.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I’ll hold tight to my erroneous, biased grudge. He’s part of that demon spawn.

      • Da Hema says:

        Good post Bill. When I watched PK play his first NHL game, I knew he would be special. His play and build are so much like Chelios (although Chelios was infinitely nastier). I thanked the gods the Habs were given a second chance after giving away Chelios (and I agree with Fisher that the Chelios trade was not just the worst trade the Habs ever made, but perhaps one of the most lopsided trades in the history of the NHL). I agree with your comment about not trading PK for any other defenceman, except I would add this: PK is a franchise asset, period — not to be let go under any circumstances. The Habs haven’t had such an asset since, well, Patrick Roy.

    • junyab says:

      Speaking from the title of the article alone. Yes, he does have room for improvement. Even PK would agree with the that. In no way does winning the Norris make him a player that is perfect.

      • habstrinifan says:

        No he doesnt have room to improve.
        No PK wouldnt agree with that.
        No does winning the Norris not make him a player that is perfect.
        No the Pope is not really infallible.

  22. TheDagger says:

    Making notes on todays thread to relay helpful information to JG today at DQ.
    So far:
    -Your haircut is bad;
    -You shouldn’t fight;
    -You’re overpaid and would look good on another team; and
    -But you’re good at blocking shots.

    Anything I’m missing?

  23. savethepuck says:

    As former goaltender I have different opinions of blocking shots. Of course the guys in front of me were not professionals who knew how to do it properly, but usually bad things happened. When a guy blocked a shot that was a glorious scoring opportunity, I obviously said thanx, but more times than not an attempted blocked shot would result in a screen or a deflection ( the 2 hardest things for a tender to defend against).
    For a goaltender to properly make a save he has to see the puck leave the stick. A goaltender is moving to make the save before the puck leaves the stick, so it is critical for him to see this. My opinion on deflections have always been that only 3 things happen, either the puck misses the net, goes in the net, or hits the Goalie because a goalie seldom “saves it”. Too many goalies get blamed for screens, or partial screens which are harder to see as a spectator, and deflections. I felt terrible for that poor Wedgewood kid who started for Canada 2 WJHC’s ago. He allowed 3 goals on a handful of shots against Russia and everyone said he choked, but I knew they all went off a Ryan Murray. And he basically had no chance. I grew up in a different time than what goalies play like today. Everyone now is butterfly in the crease and cover the net to take away the percentages. I started in 1970, so butterfly was just something I used once in a while, but all I wanted was to be able to see the puck and for my D or forwards to take away the pass to an open man while I challenged the shooter.

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  24. showey47 says:

    Antropov khl bound. Nobody could use a 6’6″ 240lb player who can both center and wing?

  25. showey47 says:

    Josh Gorges is definatley a warrior and a very good team guy,the only real problem is that he is very much overpaid for what he brings. Imho he is no where near worth almost 20 million over the next 5 years. With the prospects coming up he can easily be a #6 dman in 2 or at the most 3 years. That’s a lot of coin to pay a guy for that role.

  26. gerrybell says:

    something to ponder….

    our d-core is not in good shape to start the season with Emelin hurt. the remaining guys are weak at best:

    PK – norris winner = beast
    Georges – coming off a poor season
    Markov – legend, but 35 with two bad knees and aging
    Diaz, Tinordi, Boullion, Drewiski, Beaulieu = rookies or brutal [keep in mind, one of these guys will be on the 2nd pairing...omg]

    the habs were the top scoring team from the blueline from last year if memory serves which is great.

    all of this mess adds up to the habs giving up many scoring changes and odd man rushes that will undoubtedly result in lots of goals given up.

    and here is where my thought lies – is this awful D gonna cost Carey Price a shot at Team Canada?

    i would love to say that no matter what, Price will ‘stand on his head’ and stop everything. well he didnt after Emelin got hurt and we then we made a quick playoff exit.

    in closing, dont be surprised if Price doesnt make the team come selection time when his regular season numbers from 2013-2014 are terrible.

    your thoughts?

    g
    b

    • doc359 says:

      Diaz is brutal? first I heard of it.
      Tinordi looked pretty solid, wouldn’t be surprised if he got better this season.

      • B says:

        Among NHL Dmen last season, Diaz was 16th in PPG and 61st in +/- while averaging 20:33 TOI and about 2 blocked shots per game.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • HammerHab says:

          16th in PPG when he missed 25 games? thats damn good if you ask me…

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      • gerrybell says:

        yeah, diaz is brutal. true he got a bunch of PP assists before his injury and did almost nothing upon his return.

        while he has some offensive upside, he is small and lacks any real defensive abilities.

        let the record show, he was on the ice during the canadiens collapse down the stretch and in the playoffs.

        in conclusion, he is brutal and we need some people on the blueline who are gonna move people out of the way of carey price and perhaps even prevent a goal or two.

    • kalevine says:

      It’s his ability to handle key presure situations that should concern the powers that be with Team Canada, not his individual stats.

      • gerrybell says:

        if that is the criteria price is in big trouble. dont get me wrong, i love the guy but he failed to do much in time with the habs. i believe he has 1 playoff series win in the last six years? that is not “handling the pressure.”

    • Timo says:

      Meanwhile Habs glorious GM with a vision for the future sits on his hands and does nothing since last winter when it was getting pretty obvious that Habs only have 2 good dmen (PK and Emelin).

    • gerrybell says:

      the question was about price and i got multiple responses about diaz.

      diaz got a couple of assists last year when he played in PK’s spot on the PP during PK’s absence at the start of the year. let’s not confuse diaz passing the puck to Markov as a great skill. anyone could have passed the puck across the ice.

      the habs D is terrible. check this post in early December to confirm my suspicion that the habs will be in the bottom third [that's 20-30th overall] of the league in goals against.

      g
      b

      ps. MB is building for 5 years from now, not next season

  27. Sportfan says:

    I heard TVA snatched up Lavoie?

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  28. on2ndthought says:

    Great morning reading, all. I’m going to come down on Chris’s side of the Gorges debate. Gainey wanted to build from the back out. He tried to find D-men who got the puck out of our zone. Two ways to do it. First you have to get control of the puck, a blocked shot is an excellent way to start this, so is fighting along the boards (and JG wins way more than he loses, I know there is a stat geek who can back me up, here). Then you must either skate the puck out, (I will say above average) or make a good first pass (way above average). I think we’ve been spoiled by our team D’s first pass ability. When we play other teams, I see us with many more offensive zone turnovers than the other team gets. Where we struggle sometimes is getting possession in our zone. No player is perfect, but Gorges is an above average NHL D-man (which ain’t bad)

    Lafleurguy, I hope to see Markov sign two more years, reduced contract, reduced role, and keep the C. This guy turned our team around last year (I know, after that the kids and PK carried it, but Marky got it going). I’m sure there are a few of us who know how hard that man had to work to come back from two surgeries. The emotional strength he showed by refusing to give in after the second injury is, I’m sure, as much as an inspiration to his teammates as any locker room speech. I’d love to see him on the third pairing with Beaulieu, shut down second pair of Gorges and Tinordi, Emelin and Subban providing all kinds of mayhem as a first pair. My two cents.

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  29. frontenac1 says:

    Politicians? As my grandfather told me when I was a young lad,” Hold onto your wallet boy,they’re all Liars and Thieves”.

  30. Maritime Ron says:

    Pretty cool for golfer David Hearn at the PGA today.
    While he won’t win, he is presently tied for the lead at -4 and will be able to tell that story to his kids and grandkids one day.
    Tiger is -2 after 9, and Graham Delaet goes off at 2:00PM

  31. ClutchNGrab says:

    NHL board of governor ownership : “Goodbye Phoenix, Hello New Jersey”:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/08/08/nhl-takeover-of-new-jersey-devils-looming/

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Think I heard that Phoenix has now been granted an All Star game, nice little gift to the new owners who aren’t even spending their own money buying the team from the NHL. Now the league gets to play dog and pony with the Devils.

  32. Sportfan says:

    OH Blue Jays why couldn’t behave like a team not from Toronto and win :(

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  33. twilighthours says:

    Chris, you have consistently criticized what you call the “swarm” defense – which, in your opinion, Montreal typically employed last year.

    Can you describe this swarm? You can be as detailed as you like. Please also mention what you see as its advantages and disadvantages.

    If we are going to enter into a debate about it, I just want to make sure I understand what you think you understand.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Does it involve bees in any form? Bah, I’ll let the smart Chris take this one. :)

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Perhaps a slower more methodical smothering defense would work, like say for example a big pile of worms and how they overtake the entire area. I’m guessing your Pops could be a guest coach of such a system, granted it doesn’t seem to have a long lifecycle with him running the show. :)

    • Chris says:

      From what I saw of the Habs last year, the Canadiens would routinely overload the puck-carrier side of the ice with bodies. It was not at all uncommon to see one puck carrier and 3 (and occasionally even 4) Habs in his nearby vicinity.

      What bothered me about it was that the second defenceman was clearly instructed to help their partner on those board battles, as opposed to covering the front of the net. The centre was also routinely down in that battle.

      Engaging both defencemen and the centre in a board battle with only one or two opponents is not particularly common in the NHL. One of those three is usually left to patrol the front of the net. Ideally, you would like the winger covering the point on that side to drop down and help get the puck out when the battle is down at the halfboards or towards the corner, leaving some passing outlets (to the defenceman in front of the net or behind the net, as necessary, or to the far-side winger unless he’s had to drop down).

      The advantages of an overload defence are that you stand a good chance of getting a takeaway. When you have good puck-carriers like Subban or Bouillon on the ice, this defensive system isn’t too bad because those guys have the confidence and ability to get the puck out of the zone through traffic.

      The disadvantages, from my vantage point, are the following:

      1) Against NHL calibre opponents, it is really easy to get burned by a great pass through traffic. With 3 or 4 defenders committed to such a small area of the ice, the remaining 2 or 3 opponents will have time and space to exploit the outnumbered defenders in front of the net.

      2) When the swarm is “broken”, the defenders are basically in panic mode. They have to skate hard to get back into a proper defensive box, and are often late getting to the shooter. This means that the shots are often getting through, but are frequently deflected, which is murder on an NHL goalie. I honest felt like Price dealt with more than his fair share of shots that changed directions or had abnormal movement because of panicking defenders.

      The Habs have often been guilty of “running around” in the defensive zone in recent years. But I definitely fell like this was even more egregious last season.

      3) When the defenders do get a takeaway, they simply have nobody to pass to because the battle required so many resources to win. No outlet lanes means that you either have to carry it out (which Bouillon and Subban thrive at, but Gorges, Markov and Diaz do not) or you have to dump it out and reload for the next rush.

      Those are my three main complaints. It is a system based on outnumbering the opponent at all times, but it lacks the usual checks on when to be aggressive and when to be conservative. Every team swarms at various times during a game. Montreal’s quirk was that they did it all the time.

      It demonstrates a complete lack of trust in their players to win 1-on-1 battles along the boards. Given the number of below average to abysmal defensive forwards on the team (Gallagher, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Galchenyuk), it is perhaps understandable to not have that trust. But if they want to be successful, they’ve got to put more responsibility on guys like Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Desharnais to get better defensively. I think all three have it in them.

      • Bill says:

        Nice summary, I agree with your points. An annoying by-product of the strategy was that it prompted all the arm-chair psychologists here to interpret the defence’s running around as indicating a lack of confidence in the goalie. As if guys who have spent their lives learning to play defensive systems and disciplined hockey are going to go out on the ice and do anything other than exactly what the coaching staff says.

        Losing Emelin really hurt with this system. He was one of the best at winning those puck battles through his strength.

        My own view is like yours: the swarm did prevent opportunities for the other team, but when it failed, it gave up too many absolutely golden opportunities. How many times did we see opposing players score from a wide-open position in the slot with one of the wingers desperately racing back?

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  34. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. Enjoy your game amigo! No stunts with the cart eh? Saludos!

  35. Timo says:

    I was wondering… are we still all in love with Obama?

  36. frontenac1 says:

    Gorges is a fearless warrior who blocks a ton of shots,gets Run every game and drops his mitts against Heavyweights. Like to see him wear the C one day. Saludos!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think Gorges of all the players, is the one who misses what Hal Gill brought to the team. Down the road, I could see him and Tinordi being an excellent shut down pairing. Question becomes who do we find to play with PK, hopeful that Beaulieu becomes that guy.

      CHeers Front! Off to the course for 18 holes and some cold ones shortly, my version of the saloon amigo!

      • showey47 says:

        IMHO not having gill or an equivalent for the PK is the biggest reason the penalty kill dropped from 2nd overall from 2 years ago to about 25th last year. Gill’s size and reach took away cross crease and slot passing lanes. That’s why I felt it was wrong to have guys like gionta, and bouillon killing penalties. You don’t take much space away in front of your own net or passing lanes when your 5’8″ and minimal reach

    • Timo says:

      As Burly said, that was when Hal Gill was here. The only thing that applies from your description of him to last season is him getting beat up by McLaren (or Fraser… whichever leafs goon that was).

      He was brutal last season and one can only hope that he can turn it around. Perhaps Michael Therrien can design a special program for him. Who knows.

  37. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Cal

    Re your, ” Everyone blocks shots” you may wish to have a look at the list of NHL Dmen and the shot blockers.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20132ALLDADALL&sort=blockedShots&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Shot blocks look cool and they demonstrate that the player is working his tail off. In saying that, 9 of 10 blocked shots are stopped by the goaltender if the defenceman moves out of the way.

      That was talked about repeatedly on many telecasts and hockey shows last season.

      There are far more important aspects of a defenceman’s game.

  38. The Dude says:

    Gorges would look great on another team….please make it so!

  39. Happy Birthday to Habs Legend Ken Dryden

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  40. youngwun says:

    Stop hating on gorges . He’s valuable to this team. Plus only a matter of time until beaulieu and thrower come in and replace him when they are ready .

    • Cal says:

      Criticizing a player is not “hating”. Assuming every time a person is criticized that the person doing the criticizing is a “hater” is incorrect.
      I do not hate Josh Gorges nor Price, even though I have criticized their play.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      The people that like him give him too much credit, while the ones who don’t like him don’t give him enough credit… He is not a make or break player, he’s not a bum either… he’s a steady D that will make less mistakes then safe plays. but he does not often make plays that blow you away. wether or not his personality is likeable is a moot point.

      Go Habs Go

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I agree with you. That said, he did not play well at all last season. System or otherwise he needs to be better and I think he will.
        Doesn’t it seem that certain players played in a funk after the work stoppage? Perhaps that had something to do with it because he was playing a bit better at the end of the season.

  41. Ed says:

    Big fan and big supporter of Josh Gorges.. Every team needs warriors on it to win, and Gorges is our warrior.

    Reminds me of my son.

    Ready to block a shot with his face if that’s what it takes to help his team win.

    I believe this is Gionta’s last year with the team and Gorges will be the next captain.

    re: moving NJ to Quebec; why would the NHL move a team to Quebec when Quebec is one of the few places that will fork over an expansion fee to get a team?

    warning: political rant below:

    re: Drones; today 6 people were killed in Yemen by USA drone strikes. Is the USA at war with Yemen? No. So how could this be permitted under international law? 2 of the 6 people killed were civilians; that’s not a good civilian to Al Qaeda ratio, is it?

    What is the moral difference between attacking a location using a drone and blowing up an unmanned bomb by remote control? None, right?

    I can’t understand how progressive minded people can support this?

    • donmarco says:

      I think Seattle, if any team relocates, is the NHL’s flavour of the month right now, and not saying its happening, but a move like that would resolve the imbalance. Doubt very much that this would ever happen though. Expansion more likely.

    • commandant says:

      Highly unlikely the NHL will move any of the New York teams.

      The Devils are in trouble because of a crappy owner who took out too much debt on the team, nothing more than that. Give them a good owner and they are fine.

      The Cable rights fees that MSG pays for the Rangers, Devils and Islanders are all huge, and that is why none of the three will move. Even at 12,000 fans a game they are profitable due to theose rights fees.

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      • donmarco says:

        Rumors circulating that the deep pocketed owner of the 76ers is interested in buying the Devils. They’re not going anywhere.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think that is an over simplified view of things. I remember one year after the Devils had won the Cup, the following season in the first round of playoffs, the barn was at best 2/3 full. That has nothing to do with an owner, but everything to do with how passionate the Devils fans are, and how few of them there really are.

        I am not saying that franchise can’t continue with a better owner, but they don’t have the core of fans which Rangers and to a lesser extent the Islanders have.

    • Bill says:

      I just can’t see a future for the Devils. They have fans, but not a big enough fan base. Population of Newark is considerably smaller than Halifax, NS. Granted there is a large surrounding population, but still.

      They are trying to sell expensive hockey tickets in one of the poorest cities in the USA. The poverty rate there is something like 40% right now. Not quite third-world, but pretty bad.

      If you live outside Newark, what are the odds that you would want to DRIVE INTO Newark to see a game? I mean, that means you have to leave at night. Anyone want to spend any time in Newark after dark? Not me.

      In Margaret Atwood’s MadAddam trilogy, she writes about a future world in which cities have basically been abandoned by everyone who can abandon them, and they are left to become lawless city states. People with means have fled to walled suburbs. Newark is one of those cities already.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  42. derfab says:

    Gorges also made the mistake of running his mouth while Subban was holding out. Not good.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      No he didn’t. He was just sick of answering questions about it. Talk about spreading BS.

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  43. Maritime Ron says:

    Josh Gorges is a warrior and the “A” on his sweater has been earned.

    There is nothing he wouldn’t do for his team and mates.
    Ex: While many considered his ‘dropping of the gloves’ against Frazer McLaren an almost death wish when the Leafs kicked the crap out of the Habs both on the scoreboard and on the ice, his team mates saw his courage.

    This is a guy that every other team in the NHL would love to have on their squad, and he would also be Top 4 with almost no exceptions.

    Wedding aside, hopefully he puts on some ‘strength-muscle’ as he appeared to lack that last year at only 203 pounds on a 6’1″ frame.

    Here is also hoping the forwards better protect him and slow down/cause interference from the charging opposition forwards when they dump the puck in.

    It is rare to see a Dman get rammed as many times as he was last year and perhaps Gorges can better protect himself.
    Then again, here’s a guy that will never ‘cheat’ and allow a charging forward to get to the puck first or purposely avoid being hit as many other Dmen do.

    • Cal says:

      Sorry, Ron, but Gorges is definitely not a top 4 Dman. He doesn’t have any offensive tools (that’s a particularly tricky phrase I must say). Sure, he blocks shots, but is too small to play the role of shutdown Dman. He can’t clear the crease. Considering what he brings, his almost $4mil is money badly spent.

      • Chris says:

        Does Gorges have any less in the way of offensive skill than guys like Rob Scuderi?

        Scuderi doesn’t score, doesn’t pass particularly well, and he isn’t particularly physical (30 hits in 48 games). What he does is block shots and play strong positional defence for over 20 minutes per game as a top-4 defenceman on a Stanley Cup winner.

        Gorges is a younger, smaller version of Scuderi. He is a better shot blocker and is basically a wash in most other categories while playing the same style of defence. I always get a kick out of people pining for Scuderi, because we already have a younger version of him in Gorges.

        Scuderi needed some years (like Hal Gill) to build up the hockey IQ that allowed him to master that style of defence. At the same age as Gorges, Scuderi was coming off his second full season in the NHL. Just putting things into context here.

        I’m happy with Gorges on the team, and I think he will give the Habs a lot in the way of defensive play and leadership over the remainder of his current contract. He’s also shown time and time again in the playoffs that he can be used to shut down some of the game’s best and brightest stars, including Crosby and Ovechkin.

        • Cal says:

          You make my point. Gorges is too small to play the type of D he is needed to. Spouting clichés at reporters after games doesn’t make him a leader. It makes him reporter friendly.
          With all the bulletproof equipment players wear these days, everyone is a shot blocker, so it renders Gorges as too expensive for what he brings.
          I pine for a proper-sized crease clearing Dman.

          • Chris says:

            Keep pining. “Crease clearing” defencemen don’t exist. The rule book ensures that, if a forward truly wants to get to the front of the net, there is absolutely nothing a defenceman can do about it.

            Every team in the NHL faces tons of crashing bodies falling onto their goaltenders. Zdeno Chara couldn’t stop Saku Koivu from standing on top of Tim Thomas for years, and there is no more proper-sized crease clearing defender in the league than Chara, nor many smaller guys than Koivu.

            For a more recent example, explain to me why Brendan Gallagher was able to get to the front of the net and end up leaning on the goalie so often? He drove opponents nuts with how often he was in the crease.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Cal

        I think what has been lost over the past several years is the way a Dman is considered.

        Offensive stats now seem to rule the day, but the defensive shut down Dman is a very important commodity once playoff time rolls around.
        If a Dman has both such as Doughty-Weber and hopefully PK one day if given the opportunity, then that is gold.

        Look at players like Hjalmarsson, Scuderi, Orpik, Ference and so many others….and particularly a non offensive guy like Scuderi that played a very key role in both the Pens and Kings Cup wins.

        Gorges will never be an O threat, yet here’s knowing he will have a better year based on the above points

        • Cal says:

          Teams always pay more for offensive Dmen. I don’t understand almost $4mil for a shot blocker. He should be on the 3rd pairing with 2nd wave PK duty and about 12 to 15 mins TOI.

          I don’t think he will be any better this year.

          • doc359 says:

            What team would you put him on that would have 4/5 other defensemen better than him?

      • donmarco says:

        I humbly suggest you may need to look at other team’s top 4 d-men before suggesting that they routinely bring offensive contribution to the game. I agree that most, if not all, teams would covet a player like Gorges. And with regards to the “sure he blocks shots” comment, you imply it’s not a valuable contribution. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t be so thrilled about lying down in front of an 80-90 mph slap shot. I don’t understand the negativity from many posters, I think he’s a very valuable member of our team.

        Check out Vancouvers defensemen if you want to see some over priced contracts.

        • Cal says:

          Everyone blocks shots. What else can he do well? He loses battles along the boards with regularity and cannot control players in front of his net. He isn’t that good.

          • donmarco says:

            “Everyone” blocks shots? Really? Gorges finished 7th overall in the NHL with 116. Closest Hab after that was Markov with 60. That’s 116 shots our goalie doesn’t have to save, almost 3 per game. It puzzles me why you so undervalue a skill that so few players are willing to do.

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    Good article on Gorges. I hated being pissed at him lol. He’s a good man and generally a solid defenceman. Last year, he was off. He looked out numbered and out of gas. Scrambling for his life.

    What I hope is he’s paired up with Tinordi this season. Tinordi basically blocks off 10-15 feet in front of the net while Gorges does his craft of poking pucks away, blocking shots and putting pressure on the forwards.

    I think Gorges is best suited playing with a physical, defensive defenceman.

    • doc359 says:

      I think for now he serves as a great partner for Subban. He can certainly handle the top pairings of other teams, and when Subban wants to put on some offensive pressure, he is someone I trust to back off and handle anyone who springs out with the puck towards our zone.

    • Chris says:

      Gorges, and Markov, were victimized by the awful defensive system of the Habs last season. They are positional defencemen that make good outlet passes. Last year, there were no lanes, and neither guy is particularly adept at skating the puck out of danger so they often got worn down or gave up the puck while getting drilled by on-rushing forecheckers.

      I fully expect rebounds from both Markov and Gorges in the defensive zone, because I will be well and truly shocked if Therrien and Daigneault continue to run with a Timbits defensive scheme. That was a product of the lockout and a new coaching staff who did not have a training camp to implement their own system (that is at least my desperate hope).

      With a month to properly coach the players, I am expecting a much tighter defensive system in Montreal this season, one that will also likely cause a decrease in goals scored. They run-and-gunned like the Capitals last season. It was fun while it lasted, but they got creamed in the playoffs, just like the Capitals.

      Now we will hopefully see the Habs start to build a team that CAN compete when the refs throw their whistles in the garbage.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        A system is only as good as the will of the players buying into it, yet more importantly, a goalie that can make saves.

        No system can save a team when a goalie can’t stop a beach ball as the Habs experienced in the last 20 or so games last year with few exceptions.

        As you well know, when that happens players begin to lose confidence. Some begin to panic knowing that if they make 1 mistake, the puck ends up in the back of the net.
        They end up doing uncharacteristic things.

        The system works along with the ‘pressure’ offense.
        With a full training camp and exhibition games, don’t be too surprised if we see the almost the exact same thing.

        • Chris says:

          If the team plays the same system, they will be out of the playoffs. That system simply cannot work against properly prepared teams.

          Price was hung out to dry far too many times, and the defencemen had no passing outlets. Price could undoubtedly have played better (I am no Price apologist), but that system was flat out terrible.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’d agree with you on this one Chris. Maybe Price could have been better here or there. However, the defence in front of him the last part of the season and in the playoffs took the wind right out sails of the entire team. The defence stunk! Or the system they were playing.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Sorry to disagree
            The system works when a goalie plays with an SP >.899.

            As for Price being hung out to dry, name me 1 goalie who isn’t? During the Cup final, both Rask and Crawford had to make multiple saves over and over – sometime 3 or 4 in a row off rebounds.
            Defence and systems always get questioned, yet goaltending is key

          • Chris says:

            Ron: Very few goaltenders saw as many breakaways last season as Price. What was remarkable was that he stopped so many of them.

            Price was not good last year, especially on shots through traffic. He was overplaying the save in many cases, particularly in the second half of the season.

            But if Price rebounds, the Habs will still have the problem of giving up too many breakaways and too many odd-man scenarios in front of the net because they over-commit to chasing the puck.

            I just simply don’t believe that the swarming defensive system is effective on the long-term. It is a gimmick, but it is fundamentally unsound which is why you simply never see it in the NHL, AHL or CHL levels. It is too easy to exploit.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Chris

            Perhaps we’ll see some type of new hybrid system that may incorporate both and maybe used at different times and against different teams.

            Last year, there was basically no training camp and little practise time with the new rule forced days off.

            One guy I do want to see more of and what he can actually do is Drewiske.
            Poor guy, he came from the Kings with a completely different Sutter system to this along with no knowing any tendancies of the forwards.
            He just ‘may’ end up being part of a solid 3rd pair

    • 44har48 says:

      Yeah me too…I really like his character, but character is not everything (sorry MB), skill, which translates to production either for himself or his teammates, is what I measure at the pro level.

      Last year he was horrible and I hope he rebounds.

  45. ClutchNGrab says:

    EDIT: Sorry, I have mix up the names. Stephen Walcom is back as VP NHL director of Officiating replacing Gregson.

    And that’s what I think is a really good news for the league.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/08/07/sp-nhl-stephen-walkom-vice-president-director-officiating.html

    • Chris says:

      I always despised Gregson as an official, and I think he has overseen a regression in the league’s willingness to call interference penalties. We’re accelerating into another dead-puck era, and Gregson is a big contributor to that. I would happily see Walkom go back into that role and implement another interference blitz.

      • SmartDog says:

        Do you have the names reversed there?
        Glad to see Walkom gone. Gregson is better, more progressive, more interested in player safety.

        The only unfortunate thing is this rotating door of the same guys.

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        • Chris says:

          Walkom/Gregson had absolutely no say on player safety. Those decisions are made by the NHL and NHLPA representatives on the Competition Committee. The current members of that committee are:

          David Backes and Chris Campoli (NHLPA)

          Joe Niewendyk, David Poile, Jim Rutherford, Ed Snider and Steve Yzerman (NHL)

          Mathieu Schneider (NHLPA) and Colin Campbell (NHL) are non-voting members.

          You can’t blame or credit either guy for player safety, as it is not in their hands to make those calls.

          Walkom was the guy who brought in the crackdown on clutching and grabbing and who generally espoused a more free-flowing, attack-based game. Under Gregson’s watch, we’ve seen the league regress to what it was pre-lockout, where clutching and grabbing is once again creeping into the game.

          I know which style of hockey I preferred watching, so I would take Walkom in a heartbeat. Gregson is more entrenched in the establishment.

          As ClutchandGrab pointed out, Walkom is back replacing Gregson. I think this is good news for the league.

  46. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Cal

    Good morning.

    Re your ” Devils should move to Quebec City and solve the “too many teams and only one market” problem the NY area has.”
    ————
    Perhaps it may just be a matter of time for a host of reasons.

    With a saturated NY entertainment market, and the fierce competition for the Entertainment Dollar, it’s all about Star Power.

    Sather is often criticized about his moves, but the Ranger faithful would not be happy with a bunch of no names – hence his continuous chasing and trading for stars, or signing the big name UFAs.

    Looking at the Devils roster today, there is little Star Power.
    Zack Parise left for Minny.
    Kovalchuk is now gone to the KHL.
    Brodeur is basically done.

    So who carries the Star Power torch?
    Grandpa Jagr?
    Ryder?
    A no name D?
    Zajac, Elias, and Zubrus are good hockey players. yet they don’t possess that star power of attracting entertainment dollars.

    What may be the final nail in the coffin is the Islanders move to Brooklyn for the 2015-16 season.
    With better projected revenues and some Tavares star power, quite likely owner Wang will stop being a Cap Bottom Feeder and spend some money to become a solid contender.

  47. Lafleurguy says:

    I got to go only once in 1971, and it was fantastic. Les Binkley was in goal for the Penquins, and John Ferguson pounded on one of the HappyFeet.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  48. Lafleurguy says:

    I guess Carey’s bride is American. Washington State produces excellent wines by the way. Beef goes well with so many reds, so I find a better “measuring stick” of a red’s quality and versatility is pizza!
    Speaking of versatility, Claude Larose was versatile. He once had a four-goal game followed by a hat-trick game and a following game with one goal. Then he was relegated back to third line duty. Pacioretty and Cole had streaks a little like that in the season that netted a 3rd overall pick, but other than Subban and Gallagher scoring in consecutive games, I can’t recall anyone having a bonafide hot streak scoring last year. Pacioretty had a two-goal game when he bounced one in off a defenseman’s shin, and later roofed one, these goals following his first in which he bounced one in from near centre ice.
    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Guyboni,

      We don’t have any Crosbys or Malkins, and it appears that our scoring will be by committee as it was last year.

      The top goal scorers in the limited season were Max and Gallagher with 15 goals each…and that equates to a 25 goal regular 82 game season.

      What we did have were 8 players (6 forwards + Subban-Markov) that scored between 10-15 goals (17-25 in an 82 game season)

      Besides Galchenyuk down the road, it’s hard to see any of the present Habs forwards scoring + 30 goals on a continuous basis.

      Then again, in the last full 82 game season, only 24 players had +30 goals and then only 14 players had 35 or more goals scored.

      • savethepuck says:

        If you look at the Habs roster, we don’t have a forward that makes over 5 mil a season. If you compare to other CAP max teams, they have the 7 to 10 million forwards. I think this is the reason we can have 3 balanced lines and a 4th line that can average over 10 minutes a game. Not having the big forward contracts, is the reason we have balance. I would rather have 8 forwards around 20 goals than have that 1 or 2 40ish goal scorers with no CAP room for balance.

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        Carey Price

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Excellent point!

          When the Kings won the Cup, their highest goal scorer was Kopitar with 25 and only 2 other forwards had 20+ goals (Williams Brown)

          When the Bruins won the Cup the year before, Lucic had 30 goals, and then only 3 others had +20 goals (Horton 26-Bergeron 22-Marchand 21)

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  50. Cal says:

    Hey, morning crew.

    Devils should move to Quebec City and solve the “too many teams and only one market” problem the NY area has. With Brodeur in his last season, the city would go nuts for him and the team.

  51. HabinBurlington says:

    Which goalie would you pick in their prime? Roy or Brodeur, ESPN takes a look at the question.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/26233/prime-candidates-patrick-roy-vs-martin-brodeur

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Roy and this is not my Hab’s colored glasses talking, well maybe a little. Brodeur was assisted greatly by the Devils style of play and his oversized pads. Put Brodeur on Roy’s team and put Roy with the Devil’s plus the pads and its no contest.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Roy had oversized pads also.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          You can’t possibly try to tell me that the pads worn during Roy’s day are similar to the pads worn today. Not even close.

          • Chris says:

            Perhaps not, although Roy’s glove and jersey were significantly larger than are allowed today. :)

            Patrick Roy was one of the game’s great innovators, but he was also one of the guys who was definitely taking advantage of every equipment loophole he could find. Compare a picture of Patrick Roy ca. 1986 vs. a picture of Patrick Roy ca. 1995. It is insane how much bulkier his equipment was.

            Dominik Hasek was better than either Roy or Brodeur in their respective primes. He was simply robbed by playing behind a much, much weaker team than either of his main adversaries.

      • Chris says:

        Brodeur’s pads are not actually as oversized as most guys in the league. As a hybrid goalie, Brodeur wore slightly smaller pads for most of his career than many of his peers. Until midway through the 2011-12 season, Brodeur had been using 36″ tall and 9.5″ wide pads.

        He was entitled to use 11″ wide pads (which almost every goalie in the league wore) and he recently moved to 37″ (instead of 36″) high pads.

        Roy’s pads were on par with his peers in the 1980′s (nobody wanted to add the extra weight associated with bigger pads), whereas Brodeur’s pads have almost always been smaller than the vast majority of goalies in the NHL.

        You have to put guys in the context of the eras in which they played. By that measure, Brodeur did not play with oversized pads.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Dead heat.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Cal says:

      Always liked Brodeur, but Roy was the perfect fit at the time for the Habs. He needed a stacked team to win in Colorado. In ’86, the Habs were a very good team. In ’93, not so much, but what timely scoring they had.

      • twilighthours says:

        The 1993 team often gets slagged as being not very good. It was first overall in late January that year, and only an end-of-season slump saw the team fall as far down the standings as it did.

        That was a good hockey team.

        • Cal says:

          I was just comparing the ’93 team with the ’86 club.
          The ’93 club’s 10 overtime wins demonstrates they weren’t as dominant as the ’86 club.

        • Chris says:

          Agreed. It always aggravates me how people denigrate the quality of that team.

          The 1986 team was actually pretty similar. They had a good start to their season, sitting at 30-17-5 on February 1. Unfortunately, they had a terrible close to the season (10-16-2) and saw their stock fall all the way to 7th overall. Before that, they had been in the mix with Washington and Philadelphia for Prince of Wales Conference supremacy. Edmonton were the runaway leaders.

          And what is even more telling is that neither team actually staged any major upsets winning those Stanley Cups. People point out that the Habs were a “bad team carried by Roy” in both cases, but in both runs they faced teams where they were either on even terms or they were the out and out favourites:

          1993
          Quebec (104 points) 2- 4 Montreal (102 points)
          Montreal (102 points) 4 – 0 Buffalo (86 points)
          Montreal (102 points) 4 – 1 New York Islanders (87 points)
          Montreal (102 points) 4 – 1 Los Angeles Kings (88 points)

          1986
          Montreal (87 points) 3 – 0 Boston (86 points)
          Montreal (87 points) 4 – 3 Hartford (84 points)
          Montreal (87 points) 4 – 1 New York Rangers (78 points)
          Calgary (89 points) 4 – 2 Montreal (87 points)

          Montreal weren’t a bad team that staged upset after upset in either run. They were a good team who had the misfortune of seeing the powerhouse teams knocked off by weaker opponents so that they never had to see them.

          You can thank the 1986 Calgary Flames (who shocked Edmonton) and the 1993 New York Islanders (who shocked Pittsburgh) for those two Stanley Cups just as much as you can thank any heroics from individual Habs players. The Habs still got the job done, but I hate the revisionist history that they were underdogs.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That’s like Guy Lafleur vs. Marcel Dionne, or the Wayne Gretzky vs. Mario Lemieux, Betty or Veronica, you can’t go wrong.

      Martin Brodeur’s consistency is very appealing, but Patrick Roy’s highs were higher, he could get hotter than Hasek. The wink, the overtime wins, the “Don’t worry boys, I got it, they won’t score again tonight” promise-prophecy, those are legendary.

      I’d stick with our guy, but only because I’m forced to make the choice.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      Roy currently leads 56 to 44. More than 18 000 votes so far, can you imagine how big hockey would be in the US if ESPN was the official broadcaster?

      • Chris says:

        ESPN has been the official carrier in the past, and it was largely irrelevant to the NHL’s popularity in the US.

        Hockey can only grow if people go to games and see them live. On television, hockey comes across to non fans in much the same way that soccer comes across to non fans. The fans love the tactics, the build-up and the skill. The non fans see a lot of pointless running around that doesn’t achieve anything.

        • ClutchNGrab says:

          I traveled a lot in the US during the last few years. I can’t tell you how many times I couldn’t find any hockey games on cable in my hotel room. It may change with NBC Sports, but the number of hotels that carried Versus was minimal.

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    Congrats to Josh Gorges and his wife Maggie on their wedding. Hopefully he can have a bounceback year this season. Morning Folks!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Burly. Should we do a poll question?

      Does Gorges marriage help or hinder his upcoming season? :)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Lets hope it does, so I will vote Yes to help….(just don’t ask me if I truly believe it will) ;-)

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Remember Jack Nicklaus commenting on Tiger Woods after Tiger had children? He said something along the lines that it will be difficult for Tiger to manage practicing and parenting. Little did he know, eh?

          • habstrinifan says:

            I am sure that you meant this to allude to Tiger’s ‘troubles’. Jack in fact was alluding to his which of course went largely unreported at those times.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            @trin. Simply commenting on the change of ones life when one gets married. Adding children to the mix changes things even more. I always assumed Jack’s comments were talking to that as they were made well before the “troubles” came to the front.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am with Jim on this one, I think Jack was talking simply to the aspect of married life and children. I know that Jack used to bring his wife Barbara and the kids with him throughout the summer with a camper hitched to the car. It was family time that Jack was referring to as I read it.

            As for what happened and wasn’t covered back in the day, perhaps that is true, but not sure Jack was alluding to that at all. He has always been very very classy in his discussions regarding Tiger.

          • habstrinifan says:

            @habfan10912 and HabinBurlington. My response was not to impugn Jack. On reading it I would say it did and therefore stand apologetic. I was pointing out that Jack was speaking with more ‘hindsight’ knowledge than the reporters understood and/or were aware of.

            HabinBurlington is right. Jack is no Tiger hater. Anytime Jack speaks of anything Tiger or golf he is very respectful but also as honest and straightforward as one can be. He doesnt get into salacious or personal stuff etc.. but in his words you hear the experience of a man who lived through it all.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Amusing side story to pro golfer wives: didn’t Lee Trevino send flowers to Jack Nicklaus’ wife whenever he won a tournament that Jack wasn’t entered in?

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Wonder if any other teammate or anyone from management were at Josh’s tropical nuptials. Good morning gentlemen.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Top of the morning to you Jim, the NHL has kept this story pretty quiet as there have been all kinds of missed payments etc… by the present ownership, and the League has been helping the Devils with finances and in their search for investors. Still not convinced the market can support all three New York based teams.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I remember Brodeur at the All Star festifities held in Montreal when they had an open practice. He said that there were more fans at practice then attend Devil games.

        Lou gets a lot of credit deserved or otherwise, for his running of the team. I will just say this. He is very controlling when it comes to the press. Of all the NY area sport teams his team players are the least accessible to the press and the fans. I’ve heard various talk radio host complain at the lack of cooperation the Devils give the sports reporters and broadcasters. Maybe that has a little to do with it?

        One other thing, they built a wonderful barn in possibly the worst site possible. What were they thinking?

  53. Mavid says:

    my bad..only 38 days to go..a little over a month..

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Mike Lalor.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        He was dependable. Would be nice if Gorges can reach Lalor’s level of play. (not sure how this relates to Mavid’s craving for hockey other than maybe the no. 38 worn by Lalor).

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’d say Mike Lalor wasn’t as skilled as Josh, not as smooth a skater or as strong defensively, or getting the puck out of the zone, but he stayed within his limits, and he was a tough, strong dude. I’d take him on our blueline now in a heartbeat. If Davis Drewiskie could give us what Mike Lalor did, we’d be set.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            I just remembered the coach’s gave Lalor quite a bit of ice-time and he was often in the camera shots and engaged in the play a lot. (I had to rely on TV to watch the Habs from Winnipeg). Mavid, you can have as many bads as you want if you keep posting great avatars (I think I caught on to the fact you had people believin’ there was one more day than there actually was before training camp opens…..was Brian Skrudland no.39?)

            “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  54. nickster13 says:

    Looking at the Habs website for tickets. Those prices are unreal. We are being robbed blind! 44 bucks for the cheapest ticket. Take your girlfriend/wife thats 88 bucks plus tax. Then they just skyrocket from there. Unreal!

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

    • nickster13 says:

      I’ll watch my habbies from my livingroom sofa :)

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Someone has to pay for the upkeep of the Coyotes, Panthers, and other moribund wildlife out there.

      • J Haul says:

        While that may be true let’s not kid ourselves. They’ve been gouging the fans more every year since Molson took over. The sub-sectioning has gotten out of control as well. Yet another tactic to squeeze more from the loyal customer.

  55. HabFab says:

    @ chuck
    If I remember correctly it was something like “I have my Super X something something Water Cannon locked and loaded! Don’t make me use it!”

  56. HabFab says:

    Final count of 2007 posters on the previous thread with Showy added on, was 24 with November dates and 2 with December dates. Honorable mention to the original Ed (Nov 2007) and GrimJim (Nov2007), who just posted on this thread.

    Old Home Week on HIO…

  57. The Jackal says:

    Danny Briere’s musical hit:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm2YyVZBL8U

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  58. The Jackal says:

    McD said Habs jerseys look nice and that being a Hab would be special. MB plans to tank to draft McD.

    CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!

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  59. Sportfan says:

    Wonder what an NHL bachelor party is like?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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  60. Stevie.Ray says:

    Was just checking out the 2014 NHL draft rankings and it doesn’t seem like seem like a really strong year for the QMJHL. Top Quebec prospect is Alexis Pepin who plays for PEI, and he is from Montreal. Anyone know anything about him? Big Centreman

  61. habstrinifan says:

    It’s 1:00 AM .. do you know where your ‘Errant Canadien’ is?

    Hey UCE just read your fabulous response to my question re TVA. A lot of history recalled …. thank you. I especially liked your references to the Nordiques, for whom I had this patriotic hate (I know senseless) and the Quebec referendum, during which I stayed up with patriotic alarm.

    Tough memories but looking back … great history. Thanks again!

    Edit: I see you and others hinted at my basic concern when I asked the question. Going from the ‘big pond’ of RDS to be the ‘big fish’ in the smaller pond of TVA.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how much of his prestige/kingmaker power he takes with him to TVA Sports. No question that Renaud Lavoie’s a good reporter, as I’ve said I don’t believe a rumour until it’s tweeted by Bob McKenzie or him, but a lot of that credibility rubbed off from the other professionals at RDS, and the fact that they’re the broadcast partners of the Canadiens. Without that platform, he may have to work harder to get GM’s, agents and players to confide in him, or use him as a conduit to leak strategic info.

      Adam Schefter was a trusted NFL reporter who broke a lot of stories on the contrac/business side, and when he left the NFL Network I thought that would be a big loss for them. I had a suspicion that he might suffer from the move to ESPN too, maybe he wouldn’t be the preferred “Leaker in Chief” when he was no longer the company guy, but I needn’t have worried, since his new employers are even more powerful and reach a broader audience. He’s even more popular now if anything. What’s interesting though is that the NFL Network replaced him with Jason La Canfora, who had a solid résumé before the hire, and they didn’t really skip a beat.

      Renaud Lavoie is jumping ship to a much less powerful network, with a much smaller viewership, and one that doesn’t enjoy an exclusive contract with the local NHL team. It will be a feat if his reporting cred and the personal relationships he has cultivated over the years are enough to prevent the erosion of his reputation.

  62. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Gotta say that McDavid is pretty spot-on re: jerseys. Habs’ is iconic, and the Wings’ whole kit is just endlessly classy: red and white. Home and away. No third jersey with some faux 3d wheel or diagonal WINGS…

    There was a spell when I was young that the team sucked, and we referred to them as the Dead Things. Joined by the Make Beliefs. Good days. Let’s retract the NHL to 16 teams again. Separate wheat from chaff.

  63. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Lucky number 13!

  64. SmartDog says:

    The photo looks like the caption should be:
    “Hazing Part of Gorges Summer”

    nice haircut Josh!

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  65. Ed says:

    Chuck, that was a very sad story indeed. I too was active on this site back then, but not so much now. I still check in to read, and am not to be confused with the Ed who posts regularly now. Nightmare49 used to call me Static-Ed, for obvious reasons. Glad to see that you are still very active here.

  66. habs1992 says:

    Teemu Selanne will either Return to Ducks, Sign with another team or Retire. He will NOT go to KHL

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  67. Chuck says:

    I checked the Internet Archive for the oldest stored edition of *ahem* Habs Inside/Out. The page is from December 7-10, 2006. Remember the maroon?

    By the way, the story at the top of the page made me a little misty. I’ll never forget when it was posted. :(

    http://web.archive.org/web/20061211093839/http://www.habsinsideout.com/

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    • Bill says:

      I remember that well. I am surprised, because I thought my 2007 date was actual, but I guess I’ve been here longer than I thought. HIO predated the Gainey tragedy by a while I recall. That was an awfully sad story too.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  68. Rad says:

    I would like to see Josh have a good bounce back year in 2013-14, as he was less than impressive last year. With a depleted defence to start the coming season, the Habs need their assistant captain to be stable and dependable until Emelin and the kids are ready to assert themselves in the second half of the season.

  69. Ed says:

    Reading what Chris has to say about McDavid, I would say we should trade all the vets and start a rebuild.

    PK is his favorite player. He likes the CH uniform. Playing for the Habs would be special.

    WoW!

  70. Mr. Biter says:

    #1 with a bullet.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

    • The Jackal says:

      A loaded god complex, cock it and pull it?
      Down down in a earlier round, sugar we’re going down swinging?

      And no I hate that band, but the lyrics just popped up when I read your comment.

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  71. Chuck says:

    Stay classy.

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  72. Da Hema says:

    You should try to emulate William F. Buckley, Jr., a person you obviously respect. He would never stoop to the level you did with your comment about Gorges.

  73. HabFanSince72 says:

    Is there another Bill Buckley? Because the famous one would have no problem stooping to that level and lower.

  74. GrimJim says:

    And like that Bill, the important stuff will pass Tony by as well…

  75. Bill says:

    I think it’s unfair to say Buckley would “stoop low”. I didn’t like his politics, but he was a great writer. Eloquent speaker and a great debater. He doesn’t deserve your criticism, IMO, even if his political view were ridiculous.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  76. Da Hema says:

    HabFan: I can state with near certainty that I have read a great deal more of Buckley’s writings than you. When I was younger, I subscribed to his “National Review,” so I read his columns frequently. I cannot ever recall Buckley writing anything that would come near the juvenile crap that Dorval wrote. Modern conservatives are nothing like Buckley or Irving Kristol or Russell Kirk. The sneering and jejune innuendo about Gorges’s sexuality is the kind of thing I would expect at a Conservative Party of Canada barbecue hosted by Stephen Harper and his good buddies the Ford brothers. Conservatives today are crude and vulgar, utterly lacking the humanity and class of traditional conservative thinkers and writers.

  77. DAVE. N says:

    I don’t post often any more, but I DID learn not to feed the animals like Dorval Tony; starving them makes alot more sense. How anyone can spout his sort of nonsense and consider ever being taken seriously, about anything, is beyond me. * Buckley may not have been my favorite columnist, but at least you knew where you stood.

  78. HabFanSince72 says:

    I dare say you most certainly have read more of Buckley’s writings than me. I did once find a crummy paperback of one of his spy novels in a waiting room and briefly leafed through it. The writing was atrocious. Laughably bad.

    In any case, the issue wasn’t his literary skill but his willingness to stoop low in insulting people. From calling Gore Vidal a “goddam queer” on his show, to referring throughout his life to homosexuality as an “affliction”, to calling in an editorial for AIDS sufferers to be tatooed, I’d say Tony’s dig is precisely the kind of thing Buckley might have said.

  79. Eddie says:

    absolutely incorrect.

    any good team first leader would need to say the same thing.

    “To be honest, I’m glad that we don’t have to talk about it anymore,” fellow defenseman Josh Gorges said, according to the Montreal Gazette. “It’s a non-issue now and we can focus on getting ready to play the games without anything else to think about. Like I said, it’s good that it’s over and done with and it’s settled. We don’t have to have these talks in the morning of what-if-this and what-if-that. It’s over. We can focus on playing hockey.”

  80. Maritime Ron says:

    Sorry, but I respectfully 100% disagree
    :-)

  81. ZepFan2 says:

    I’m pretty sure PK wasn’t as upset as half those here that are complaining about it were.

    Who said he wants to be Captain? I never heard him say that.

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  82. Eddie says:

    bud, all that crap you quoted was the reporter’s opinion, NOT AT ALL Gorges’ comments, so why would I bother including it.

    reporter’s editorial comments”

    “As benign as those comments may seem, it’s pretty telling when a player of Subban’s caliber is welcomed back to the team with anything short of exultation — or at least with the perception of said exultation. But if you go even deeper to what Gorges said, it sounds like there was certainly some issue taken with Subban from his teammates during the ongoing negotiations.

    So Gorges used the word “holdout”; oh my god! And you don’t think he’s a leader because of that word, that statement?

    Seriously?

  83. savethepuck says:

    The Gorges and Markov comments when PK was not in the lineup were way overblown by media and some of the fan base ( mostly the guys who are strong PK defenders and not so much the other 2 guys ). It was BS and water under an old bridge.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  84. Luke says:

    Many people throw around the ‘holdout’ tag when a player is unsigned.
    It was happening here with posters and on national broadcasts with professional ‘insiders’ and whatnots.

    It’s sort of become a term to describe a player who is willfully not attending camp.

  85. junyab says:

    Semantics…that is all.

  86. Luke says:

    I think you are missing my point. I was suggesting that term ‘holdout’ is used far more liberally than what it’s definition dictates.

    Sort of like how “Literally, the Worst” gets used around here…

    (Edit for lack of caring).

  87. savethepuck says:

    They were not obviously perturbed to me. I watched the full interviews on HabsTV and not just the choice clips that TSN decided to use.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price


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