Watching the Canadiens on TV, online is just as complex as last season

Steve Faguy
Montreal Gazette

The good news is that very little has changed since last year in the way people get access to live Canadiens game broadcasts on TV and online. After the 2014 switch of National Hockey League TV rights from CBC to Rogers in a 12-year, $5.2-billion deal, things have settled down.

The bad news is also that very little has changed. And the Rogers/TVA national rights deal with the NHL and RDS’s regional deal with the Canadiens won’t expire until 2026.

The one question mark rights-wise in the near future is Rogers’s deal with the Canadiens for English-language regional TV rights. This season will be the last of a three-year deal with the team, which marked the first time all 82 regular-season games were available in English.

In EnglishLike last season, most Canadiens games will be available on Sportsnet East, and 38 will be available only to the Canadiens broadcast region, which includes Atlantic Canada, Quebec and part of eastern Ontario. The 44 broadcast nationally (more than any other Canadian team) include all Saturday games, all Wednesday games and all but one Sunday game. They’ve also helpfully included the game on March 2 when P.K. Subban returns to the Bell Centre with the Nashville Predators. Gone are Canadiens regional games being bumped from Sportsnet to City Montreal on Thursday nights when they conflict with NFL games. Instead, Canadiens Thursday games until Christmas will all be broadcast nationally on Sportsnet 360. A total of nine games are scheduled for Sportsnet 360, and four for Sportsnet One (including some games on multiple channels), but that could change if new conflicts arise in 2017, particularly with the Toronto Blue Jays, which have priority on Sportsnet.

On Saturday nights, Hockey Night in Canada splits games between CBC, City, Sportsnet, Sportsnet 360 and Sportsnet One. Rogers decides on the Saturday channel lineup a week or two in advance, though the Maple Leafs are almost always on CBC.

In French: TVA Sports once again has the national rights to 22 Canadiens games, which includes 20 Saturday night games, the home opener on Oct. 18, and the Hockey Day in Canada afternoon game on Feb. 18. The other 60 games, including the Saturday Super Bowl weekend matinée, are on RDS, and only available regionally.

Online: Those who want to watch games online or on mobile devices have a few options:

  • Subscribe to NHL GameCentre Live, which costs $200 for the season or $30 a month. For people in Quebec, this will only give them access to the 44 nationally broadcast Canadiens games. Those west of Belleville, Ont., will get all 82 games, or can get just the RDS games for $60 for the season.
  • Use the mobile TV app of your TV service provider (Illico for Vidéotron, Bell Mobile TV for Bell Fibe, FreeRange TV for Shaw Direct). But Vidéotron offers TVA Sports but not Sportsnet or RDS, and Bell offers RDS and Sportsnet but not TVA Sports. Cogeco offers TVA Sports and Sportsnet but not RDS. The inability of Canada’s vertically integrated broadcasters to co-operate is still hurting sports fans.
  • Subscribe to Sportsnet Now. Launched April 1, this service allows you to watch Sportsnet East/Ontario/West/Pacific, Sportsnet One and Sportsnet 360 without a cable provider for $25 a month plus taxes. Those in the Canadiens’ region can watch all Canadiens games that air on Sportsnet channels (but not those on CBC and City, though CBC streams its games online for free), in English on a mobile device, tablet or computer.

Programming-wise, there have been some changes from Rogers in the off-season. Gone from Canadiens regional broadcasts is host Chantal Desjardins, replaced by Kyle Bukauskas. Hockey Night in Canada, meanwhile, has gone back to its roots, dumping George Stroumboulopoulos and putting Ron MacLean back in the host chair. It’s also bringing back After Hours, the late-night wrap-up show that follows the West Coast game on Saturday nights, hosted by Scott Oake. Both moves reverse changes that Rogers made when it took over Hockey Night in 2014.

Radio: On the radio, the situation is unchanged. TSN Radio 690 and 98.5 FM will broadcast every regular-season and playoff game.

Printable schedule

printable

To help you know which channel the Canadiens games are on, we’ve created a printable two-page schedule of the 82 regular-season games. This schedule is designed for people who live in the Canadiens’ broadcast region (in blue below).

Canadiens broadcast region

If you live in Toronto, northern Ontario or Western Canada (everything in red above), see this story for information on how to watch the Canadiens and download a printable schedule designed for you.

Photo: Dario Ayala/Montreal Gazette

380 Comments

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  2. howtathor says:

    I recently got the basic cable package from the company that lends its name to our arena which thank goodness includes RDS. I think Pierre Houde is the best in the business. Last year had no cable at all and had a nightmarish type season trying to watch the Habs. Knowing that the Laffs would be on CBC, I assumed that the Habs would be on City. No such luck as City would often show the Senators while the Habs got shuffled off to Sportsnet (cable). I’ve been watching the Habs for 55 years and never have I not been able to catch them on national TV (CBC, Radio Canada). Even when the Laffs were playing they would have a crew in Montreal to do a regional telecast. I think the deal with Rogers does not reflect the needs of cableless hockey fans.

    • Fagstein says:

      It looks like so far this season Rogers is going with Leafs on CBC and Habs on City (so Senators and Jets on Sportsnet channels), at least the first few weeks, unless one of these teams is playing another.

      But it’s keeping its options open, which is why the schedule is decided only a week or two in advance.

  3. Fagstein says:

    Hi folks,

    There was some confusion while writing this story about how Hockey Night in Canada games on CBC and City TV would be accessible on Sportsnet Now.

    I finally cleared it up by talking to Scott MacMillan, VP of NHL Integration at Rogers.

    Right now, the CBC and City games are only accessible on the web (desktop/laptop) version of SN Now. For technical reasons, the apps (mobile, tablet, Apple TV etc.) don’t have the functionality to access these additional streams, but they’re working on it. No word yet on when that will be fixed.

    In the meantime, CBC streams its HNIC games online and through its CBC Sports app. And City TV is available for free over-the-air in Montreal. So there are other options, even for people without cable and without money.

  4. Ednargocat says:

    Actually, watching online is pretty damn easy. If you have an android device; Phone, Tablet, Amazon Fire TV, Fire Stick, Android TV Device, Enigma TV Entertainment system …. etc. You get all of the games blackouts don’t apply either. You can download the app for free too (Only android though). https://getenigma.tv/startup

  5. bwoar says:

    PK Subban, summing up everything that’s gone wrong with PK Subban: “It’s sports-entertainment,” he says. “Hockey’s still old that way. It’s like we’re back in gladiators, where you’re fighting for your life on the ice. No, I’m not. I plan to get off the ice, go home, have dinner, see my family. It’s a game. Someone’s paying $250 to watch a product. To grow a sport, to grow a game, you need more fan-player interaction, and it starts with first selling players, not just selling teams. Hockey has a tendency to do that.”

    (emphasis mine)

    So now that Cirque de Subban has become Honkey Tonk Subban, will hockey suddenly become the #1 sport in Tennessee?

    • bwoar says:

      And there’s this gem, from a guy who everyone keeps calling ‘self-aware’:

      “I have a creative mind. When you have a creative mind, you see plays develop differently than most players. I don’t do anything just because it looks good. I do it because it’s going to get the job done.”

      Tell that to the forwards standing at the blueline watching a play “develop” into a defensemen skating the puck over said blueline and into a handful of opposing sweaters.

      • The Gumper says:

        “Self aware,” is debatable, “Brand aware,” is irrefutable.
        Hockey is, was and always will be a team game. It’s not an old school notion that requires some kind of evolution nor some self important messiah to teach us differently.
        The only thing that attitude gets you is traded…

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. If you want to criticize him then stick to play on the ice instead of misconstruing his thoughts.

  6. bwoar says:

    So, uh, Halak is questionable for his start on Thursday too. What could those crazy GMs be up to?

  7. 100HABS says:

    Veryhabby, you seem to think we are generally being overly-optimistic, like we were last year. Do not forget that by this time of year in 2015, we had one of our optimistic hole-fillers crash into a tree…

    We are already ahead of where we were in 2015 IMO. Now let’s see how we do in the first 10 games of the season!

    • The ice ghost says:

      … in a truck driven by teenage girls… not to mention the stuff we don’t know about. Luckily, Bargain Bergy is still committed to recruiting character!

      • bwoar says:

        You guys complain but I’d take my crashed truck full of girls and my NHL contract, take my medicine in Edmonton, and go find another truck full of girls. And I’m honest about it without a drop of shame. If you wouldn’t, bully for you, but don’t knock a guy for living the dream.

        I wonder if the CHaracter of everyone here would stand up to HIO keyboard scrutiny.

  8. chilli says:

    I wish Condon the best…
    But if the Habs were the only team to offer Condon a contract after only 8 wins since college, does that make us a classy organization?
    Or fools?

  9. Duffy says:

    I expect the statement about Carey having the Flu is just about as accurate as the PK trade was a hockey trade !!

  10. bwoar says:

    Jan 31, 2017

    Bergevin: “The doctors tell us Carey’s had a tough time recovering, but no one could’ve predicted his organs shutting down like that. Now that they’re all functioning properly, we expect he’ll start skating in a week, maybe two, and take it from there.”

  11. Storman says:

    Canadiens trade DD to Pittsburgh for Condon make it happen MB

  12. theox_8 says:

    Mike Condon quote – condibear “Would like to take a moment to thank both the fans of @canadiensmtl and the organization itself. From top to bottom everything was pure class.
    After my senior year in college, I only had 8 wins. Despite that fact, the Habs were the ONLY team to offer me an NHL contract and I will never forget that.

    I have nothing but respect an admiration for everyone associated with @canadiensmtl and want to say thanks for letting pursue my dream. It was an honor”. – 39

    Hard not to root for the guy, hopefully he can do well in Pittsburgh and maybe land a permanent back up job somewhere after Murray comes back .

    • bwoar says:

      Kinda hoping he ends up in Boston. Both for him, and for us.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Marc Bergevin said that in his conversation with Mike Condon, before and after placing him on waivers, he told him that as a GM, he hoped that Mike would clear waivers so he could keep him, but as a former player, he hoped that Mike would get claimed, and have a chance to play somewhere.

      He said that Mike was professional and positive about the waivers situation, and expressed to him much the same sentiment as above, that he got the trust of the Canadiens, that they gave him a chance.

      Bonne chance Mike.

  13. Storman says:

    MB announces Price has an inner body injury. or did he say another body injury. RCMP to investigate further.

  14. B says:

    If Price can’t answer the bell tomorrow night, does Lindgren get called up leaving Fucale as the IceCaps’ #1 goalie (with some guy called up from Brampton as backup)? It would be tough for the IceCaps to have to start their season with Fucale and (insert Beast here) as the goalies in Hartford Friday.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  15. Un Canadien errant says:

    Carey Price not travelling with the team to Buffalo, due to the knee flu.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/carey-price-ne-fera-pas-le-voyage-a-buffalo-1.3576471

    This is when we’d really need Mike Condon.

    ———————————————————————–
    “Management knows what they’re doing. I’m 100 percent sure that they’re not making any moves to hurt our team. They only want to make us better.”–Andrei Markov

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  16. PK says:

    Haha, the conspiracy theorist on TSN 690 is implying that Price may have an injury rather than the flu.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Marc10 says:

      I think this injury flu is a clever ploy by management so we’d all get behind the Man Mountain and the Newbies and forget Showtime and the Danish.

      Well, I for one, am not falling for it. Non Monsieur!

  17. B says:

    IceCaps finalize roster
    http://www.thetelegram.com/Sports/IceCaps/2016-10-11/article-4660984/IceCaps-finalize-roster/1
    The article mentions these ines at practice:
    Hudon – McCarron – Scherbak
    Terry – Audette – Eisenschmid
    Farnham – de la Rose – Friberg
    Crisp – MacMillan – Grégoire
    (Matteau is finishing his 2 game suspension from last season)

    I’m not sure of the D pairings, but the 8 left on the roster are: Barberio, Didier, Hanley, Johnston, Lernout, Parisi, Racine Samuelsson

    Lindgren and Fucale between the pipes

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • arcosenate says:

      And as an Expos fan I recall the poop show MLB turned that franchise into between Loria and the team being owned by MLB itself.

      Too bad the Canadian owners don’t have a bit more balls than what they appear to.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Great article. I enjoy writers who aren’t afraid to do a little digging, to challenge the NHL, guys like Larry Brooks and James Mirtle. I’ll keep an eye out for more from this guy.

  18. veryhabby says:

    It’s the start of the season, everyone is positive. And it’s not that I want to be negative, but I will be careful with my expectations.

    IF we look at what most of us typed this time last year…we prob all were saying the same things. That MB did well to address issues in off season. Whether we like him or not, obviously he is trying to fix the holes. But we know how last year went now. and the holes were never fixed by his solutions last year.

    So lets hope we are correct that:

    Weber will score 20 PP goals again

    That Muller will fix the PP

    That Rad will score 25+ goals

    That Chuck will not struggle in his first full season as a #1C

    That when injuries hit, that our depth is better then before

    That Beau has what it takes at this time to be a #2 Dman

    That Eller is a bump that can’t score more then 10 goals and that Shaw will score as much or more.

    That Carr, Lehkonen will provide secondary scoring

    That our new back up is so much better then Condon

    so yes, I think on paper all we believe makes sense. And it’s easy to say, cause we know how bad last year’s improvements failed, to say we will be better this year. I just hope we are all right.

  19. B says:

    IceCaps Trimmed:
    Dalton Thrower, D (assigned to Brampton, ECHL)
    Mathieu Coderre-Gagnon, F (reassigned to Brampton, ECHL)
    Yannick Veilleux, F (reassigned to Brampton, ECHL)
    Jeremie Blain, D (reassigned to Brampton, ECHL)
    Justin Baker, D (returned to Brampton, ECHL)
    Stefano Momesso, F (released from PTO)
    Philip DeSimone F (released from PTO)

    –Go Habs Go!–

  20. mdp2011 says:

    Canadiens Montréal ‏@CanadiensMTL
    Update: Carey Price will not practice today (still out with the flu). He will not be travelling with the team to Buffalo.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ouch, well Mr. Montoya here is your chance to make an early season statement.

      Lindgren gets the backup spot I’m guessing?

      • mdp2011 says:

        Let’s hope it is only the flu and nothing more serious. The secrecacy in which the Habs deal with injuries worry me considering what happened last year.

        • Mavid says:

          They said he was injured, perhaps they downplayed the severity of it never lied and said it was something else

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  21. B says:

    The Reign announced on Monday that forward Lucas Lessio released from his tryout agreement.
    Daniel Pribyl assigned to the AHL.
    Anthony Mantha assigned to the AHL (Pasquale recalled)

    –Go Habs Go!–

  22. Luke says:

    Happy Awesome Matthews day!

    Pretty good opening slate of game tonight.

    Tor v Ott
    STL v Chi
    Cgy v Edm
    LA v SJ

    It’s funny. I used to get annoyed about the Habs opening the season vs. the Leafs every year… now the extra day is going to kill me, especially since I have to record it and wait until later to watch it.

    Careful what you wish for, I suppose.

  23. Phil C says:

    Leadership is such a huge red herring for the Habs. All the leadership in the world wouldn’t have helped last year. Leadership doesn’t turn bad goalies into good ones, doesn’t turn pluggers into scorers, and doesn’t suddenly make the coach smarter. And if leadership was a problem, why are the coaches back?

    I don’t think they quit or gave up or stopped playing as a team, areas that leadership can fix, they just sucked in a couple of key areas. The only player with questionable team first behaviour was Subban who was on pace to be their leading scorer before he was injured, so even if you admit Subban wasn’t perfect, he was hardly why they were losing.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Perhaps they never quite gave up, but to my eyes, there was a section last year where they played dispiritedly. I think they were often deflated by soft, early goals. They seemed to me to pick up again toward the end of the season. Fortunately, they still got a good draft choice despite the later improvement.

      • Phil C says:

        You are not wrong, losing is dispiriting. I just don’t think more spirit would have made a difference. They needed a veteran goalie, more skilled players in the top six, and a coach who was willing to adjust to not having all-world goaltending. They didn’t get any of that.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          And I think that is why it is hard to disagree with the off season moves. Radulov immediately addresses top 6 help, Shaw brings an element that was severely lacking, Montoya provides the veteran goalie and Weber brings stability.

          • Phil C says:

            Yes, I’ll give credit to Bergevin, he went out and addressed every issue that was lacking last year, even the coaching, by bringing in Muller and taking away some power from Therrien. The D looks solid, Lehkonen, Radulov, Carr, and Galchenyuk at centre should be a big boost to the top 9, Shaw and Weber add some sandpaper, and Montoya is a more credible back up.

        • The ice ghost says:

          Why wasn’t Therrien fired? He didn’t adjust sh*t.

          If that’s not his job, what is his job? Opening and closing the gate?

    • twilighthours says:

      Totally agree. Great leaders play for horrible teams… Messier anyone? Bad leaders play for great teams too, but a great team begets a myth of great leadership.

  24. SmartDog says:

    I’ve never liked Therrien. I’m sick of the mistakes that are swept under the rug. I’ve long grown tired of Bergie’s biases and lame spins. When either speaks I tune out.

    But the team looks to be in a good place right now. A powerful Chucky and the signing of seriously talented and hungry offensive threat in Radulov – these are major addition from last year. For the moment Suban-Weber is close to a wash, it just shifts the shape of the team giving it something it needs – an elite punishing powerhouse defender and power play cannon.

    So for now I’m positive and looking forward to the year. I’m going to try to just tune out each “you know what…” and “honestly…” or maybe just mute Bergie and Therrien when they come on the tube. But the team on the ice should be fun to watch.

    ————————————-
    When you’re in a foxhole, your head is naturally in the sand.

    • twilighthours says:

      Agreed. I’m ‘meh’ on bergevin and a strong nope to therrien. But this team is definitely better than last year’s.

      I think it might be more boring to watch though.

      Unless radulov can channel kovalev. Or smack a coach with his stick.

      (yes, I know it was accidental)

    • The ice ghost says:

      So is Patches planning on skating more and floating less? Going to the paint?

      To my eye he was NOT the same after re-habbing his leg. What do you guys think?

  25. 24 Cups says:

    Tuesday’s practice lines for Buffalo

    9 Evander Kane – 15 Jack Eichel – 23 Sam Reinhart
    63 Tyler Ennis – 22 Johan Larsson – 82 Marcus Foligno
    44 Nicolas Deslauriers – 27 Derek Grant – 12 Brian Gionta
    70 Alexander Nylander/52 Hudson Fasching – 28 Zemgus Girgensons – 26 Matt Moulson

    29 Jake McCabe – 47 Zach Bogosian
    4 Josh Gorges – 6 Cody Franson
    77 Dmitry Kulikov -34 Casey Nelson
    45 Brendan Guhle

    40 Robin Lehner
    31 Anders Nilsson

    Injured: Okposo and O’Reilly

  26. habswarrior says:

    So according to TSN (Toronto sports nuts), the Habs only have 1 decent top line. Gally, Max and Chucky while the Laffs have 2 top lines. Kind of comical to see that article. Michalek, Kardi, Komarov line 1, Riemskyk, Bozak, Marner line 1A.
    I don’t think either one of these lines is as good as our 3rd line.

    • SmartDog says:

      Clearly we stomped them 6-1 only because it was pre-season. In a regular game it would’ve been a gazillion-nothing for them.

      ————————————-
      When you’re in a foxhole, your head is naturally in the sand.

    • Strummer says:

      “With a nod to those teams who do not have a clear-cut No. 1 line ”

      Clearly you didn’t read the article which listed the teams’ top lines alphabetically. He didn’t say any line was better than another.

      You saw 2 Leaf lines and your head exploded.

    • Timo says:

      No line is as good as Habs 3rd line. Who else got Davey D?

  27. 24 Cups says:

    Montreal is in pretty good shape in terms of the salary cap as we begin the season.

    Their present cap hit leaves them with 1,028,000 in space but that is deceiving seeing that they are carrying 24 players. Once Petry returns and Sergachev is sent back to junior, Montreal’s real cap space will be 1,953,000 minus Petry’s (5.5M) prorated salary of games missed. There will be plenty of trade deadline cash available plus an extra 2nd rounder to help make a deal happen.

    Looking ahead to next season, there is the possibility of more than 9M coming off the books if Montreal doesn’t re-sign DD and Markov. Even if they do bring Markov back, I doubt it will be at 5.75M. Radulov would also be coming off the books but if he returns I don’t think it would be for more that 6.5M on a one year deal.

    In theory, Markov (5.75M) + DD (3.5M) + Parenteau (1.33M) could help pay for the contracts of Sergachev and McCarron plus the extensions for Galchenyuk, Price and Beaulieu as the Habs move forward the next few years.

    • Luke says:

      Should Sergachev meet targets this season, he’ll have bonuses paid out this season that apply to next year’s cap.

      (And Let’s hope he does!)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Jeff Petry’s dollars won’t come off our salary mass. A player has to be on Long-term IR for his dollars not to count, and even then, they don’t get subtracted, you’re just allowed to go over the cap by that specific amount.

      from: https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

      When a player has an injury of which they are expected to miss 10 games and 24 days, the team can place them on long term injured reserve (LTIR) to receive cap relief.

      When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit technically remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates below the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club’s averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit

      • 24 Cups says:

        I was always under the impression that you only get cap relief if you have to go over the max. Seeing that the team is under the max by about 1.9M, I figured that Petry’s salary (while injured) will count against the cap (on a daily basis) even though he’s not playing.

        BTW, today’s power rankings (which should be taken by a grain of salt), has the Canucks finishing dead last in the NHL. Ouch!

  28. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting read from the Globe on how Canada is rewarded for its passion of NHL hockey.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/hockeys-back-and-the-nhl-is-still-sticking-it-to-canadian-fans/article32324463/

    The final paragraph of the article is rather compelling:

    “The bottom line is this: In a little over two weeks, the World Cup took in more revenue than the Phoenix Coyotes or Florida Panthers generate in an entire season. The league put the equivalent of a new franchise in Toronto for a few days in September. And then, having fleeced the locals, it packed up its carnival tent, counting its winnings as it headed south for the winter.”

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Canadians are too nice. The worst we’re going to do is boo Gary Bettman if he ever hands out the Stanley Cup on a Canadian rink (not that that’s likely).

      —–

      • twilighthours says:

        The players must love him though. They get to make millions playing with no pressure in Phoenix or Florida

        • Strummer says:

          They also made millions off the World Cup as they split the profits with the League

          • The ice ghost says:

            Even though we won the WC, I thought we looked terrible. A bunch of guys sitting on the end of the dock all summer in Muskoka drinking Creemore –– which they are 100% entitled to do. Honestly the WC was kind of a joke.

  29. Phil C says:

    Just saw on TSN that Beaulieu had 8 points in 6 preseason games, tops in the league. He won’t maintain that pace on the on the 2nd wave PP, but it’s encouraging if he breaks out as a bonafide top 4.

  30. Cal says:

    A streaky scorer like Patches isn’t ideal captain material. He is like Kessel that way; he doesn’t appear to add much when he isn’t scoring.
    Whatever, though, the players made their bed, so let them lie in it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Oh I bet most of them are really worked up over this, probably not even getting a good nights sleep. Haunted by that Captaincy Vote, like a nightmare over and over and over……

      Just when exactly did the C become this paramount to a team?

      • Cal says:

        Leaders lead. Floaters float.
        Since his suspension for that head shot, Patches doesn’t play physical very often.
        The captaincy is an acknowledgment of leadership. Having a goalie being the de facto captain when he cannot be one the ice (NHL rules, not mine) takes away from the one who wears the C.
        It isn’t paramount, but it is important. You don’t need a letter on your sweater to lead. You just need the commitment to play every shift as hard as you can. Gallagher fits that bill. Patches doesn’t.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          And players recognize the leaders who don’t have a C on their sweaters. Gallagher, Weber, Price fit that bill. It would be ideal to have a Captain that personifies everything the C means. And perhaps over the course of this season things are seen and recognized and a change could happen.

          But for now Max is the Captain, as voted by his peers. In light of all the dynamics surrounding Weber (the PK comparisons etc…) it would have added all kinds of storylines which only would have provided fodder for distraction if the C was removed of Max and handed to Shea.

          As soon as the trade happened, I immediately viewed Weber as the unofficial captain of the Habs. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if in 1 seasons time the C is moved to his sweater. But to make that change prior to him playing a single NHL game for the Habs would only lead to a million questions and the appearance of Max thrown under a bus.

      • The ice ghost says:

        Look at the list of Canadiens captains over the years. That’s the standard.

    • Loop_G says:

      The players disagree with you.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      First, streaky or not, he’s a leader, in his admittedly quiet way.

      Second, he’s also an excellent penalty killer. In other words, he works hard and sacrifices himself for the team (not killing penalties would obviously increase his points total).

      Third, all scorers are going to appear “streaky”. There are no Gretzkys and Lemieux in this era. Isn’t Pacioretty one of the top 5 goalscorers in the league over the last 5 years. In other words, he might be “streaky” on a game to game basis (unavoidable), but over the longer term he’s actually a consistent goal scorer.

      —–

      • Luke says:

        “I expect this 35 goal scorer to score in every game!”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          That’s a logical fallacy, Luke. If a player scored in every game, as you put it, they wouldn’t tally 35 goals, but 82 goals, minimum. You’d probably get a few two goal games, the odd hat trick, that’d take the player near to 100 goals, which could never happen nowadays, Radko Gudas would just bounce that player’s head off the glass like a Harlem Globetrotter showing off, or Matt Cooke would slice his calf in half partway through the season.

          • Luke says:

            Just commenting on people who get upset when a 35 goals scorer goes a few or 5 games without a goal.
            Y’know, A 30-35 goal scorer is probably going to score in about 28 of 82 games.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Even though I apparently whooshed you, I will still refuse to stoop to smilies and the like. I was piling on to your joke, as the guy who didn’t get the joke.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Anaheim will start the season without two key members of their team, Rakell and Lindholm. These lockouts have interesting dynamics, don’t the players holding out end up hoping the team struggles so as to legitimize their position of importance thus justifying the wages requested?

    Always wonder how a player is accepted into the room after a lengthy holdout and in particular if the team has struggled without them.

    This case is also unique in that Anaheim has only 4.2 Mill in capspace and are also a team that usually has a self imposed cap often lower than the league’s cap ceiling.

    Some trades seem to be a must for this to settle itself. Meanwhile Stevie Y keeps getting players to sign for well below market value.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-731851-rakell-lindholm.html

    • bwoar says:

      I can’t figure why either of these players has it in their head that they deserve the numbers they’re looking for. The amount of NHLers asking to be paid based on future theoretical performance is too damn high.

      • Cal says:

        Ask for the stars and accept the moon. Basic negotiation tactic, yes?

        • bwoar says:

          Seems more like “ask for the stars and the Moon and pout in Sweden until I get it.”

          I mean, I hear the stewardesses there are something else, but, isn’t playing hockey what it’s all about?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            The bizarre aspect of this is the actual space GM Murray has available to him. Is there any way he thinks he can get both of them signed for approx. $5 Mill per season?

            I get your point on the asking for big bucks coming off an ELC, but it also appears Murray hasn’t managed the situation very well. Looking at some of the moves he has made over the past couple seasons I am not convinced he is the most savvy of a GM.

            If trading Fowler is the key to making room, he needed to have that deal complete at or around the summer draft. By not getting that deal done, most other teams have long filled out their capspace with important pieces like Savard, Datsyuk, and others.

            The number of teams with cap available is limited thus decreasing the value of Fowler dramatically.

            I’ve had this hunch all off season that Murray and Bergevin were looking at a move which would have seen Fowler arrive in Montreal. I wonder if the early report card on SergaCHev has perhaps lessened MB’s desire.

            Edit: Apparently I am wrong on speculated Cap room, I’m reading elsewhere that Ducks have 7.5 in capspace available.

          • The ice ghost says:

            Living down here, I’ve seen Fowler play quite a bit and I would take him. Even if he’s a bit redundant, having SKILL depth on D is a good thing. Look at Petry’s time off.

            Having Fowler would give us depth to package a trade for a scorer.

      • Luke says:

        It’s the NHL, eh?

        In their 20s, pay me for what I might do.
        In their 30s, pay me for what I once did.

        It’s sort of like double dipping into the prime 26-32 scoring years…

        • twilighthours says:

          24-29 scoring years? The window until free agency is too long for the players and they know it. Most players have had their best years by the time UFA comes around, so why shouldn’t they try to be paid well when they are their best?

          I don’t like this aspect of the cba

          • Luke says:

            I was just spitballin’ with the 26-32 and trying to allow for late bloomers and defensemen.

            But my point is still valid ( i think) You ask for a big raise in the second contract based on what you may be capable of and then later, a big contract based on what you were once capable of which you may have already been paid in advance for.

            (I’m not passionate about this at all, for the record, I just find it kind of funny that they burn the candle at both ends, so to speak).

  32. thesenator18 says:

    Predictions Montreal 3rd in the East,Toronto 14th and in the West Nashville and P.K. 9th.

  33. Frozen Village says:

    Random change the Habs world question

    Is it time to sell high on Max ?

    More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

    • mrhabby says:

      Nope or unless you get something of better or equal value why would you.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Much is blamed last season on Max, his role as Captain has also been hammered almost non stop. At the end of the day though, we have one of the premiere goal scoring LW’s in the entire NHL at a caphit well below those in his company.

      Even if he isn’t an ideal Captain, the addition of Weber, the return of Price will more than fill any leadership voids.

      Lots has changed on this team, lets see how this new group performs before more change is done.

      • Mavid says:

        agree…it was his first year as Captain, and a historical meltdown..everyone deserves a second chance to prove themselves..

        º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

        Weed Wacker -and now Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

      • The ice ghost says:

        That’s a decent point, maybe Max will feel less pressure and do better.

    • The ice ghost says:

      No. He’ll play better if he’s not Captain. Not criticizing. He does NOT look comfortable in the role.

      • Mavid says:

        you decide that after one (horrible) year..glad your not my boss

        º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

        Weed Wacker -and now Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

    • Dust says:

      That is something i would look into this summer.

    • Cal says:

      If you really want a “change the Habs world” question, how about is it time to sell high on Price?

      • The ice ghost says:

        re “Sell High On Price”

        This becomes an impossible decision because the plan prior to “le collapse” was to go for it in a year or two with the core of Patches, Price, PK, Petry, Gallager – the “P” squad, if you will. Obviously some upgrades in size and skill were needed.

        Now, post collapse, post PK, what is the plan?

        Think how Pittsburgh re-focused after their coaching change. Speed, speed and then more speed. Scoring Depth.

        I’m not even advocating for any particular plan. How about A PLAN?

        If Bargain Bergie had said, post-PK. “Okay. We got Price. We got Weber, we go wit’ 6 monster size D, da rest we don’t care, we decline PP, we watch old NJ Devils on VHS, we win every game 1-0.”

        I would shut up, really. It would be a TERRIBLE plan, but it would be a plan.

        So what is your understanding of “the plan” guys? Cause I got crickets. Nada.

        Donkey Boy and a flyer on Radulov is NOT A PLAN.

        Playing Price like a rented mule until he gets hurt again is NOT A PLAN.

        Crickets. Crickets. Better than those Cicadas in Chicago. Those things are LOUD.

        I leave it to the commentariat to provide some insight.

    • Loop_G says:

      There are only a handful of players with his scoring ability in the league. Unless you are getting another guy back with the same offensive capabilities there is no point in trading one of the league’s best contracts.

  34. GrosBill says:

    Front is missed around here. I don’t think there is another regular around here who has actually made me LOL more than him.

    I don’t use twitter or hashtags, but I totally agree #FreeFront

    This place has some very good posters:
    UCE, Chris, Bellyful, JLarue, Luke, HiB, Hobie, Timo, FRONT, B, Justme, OBB, Prop, 2nd thought, Mavid, Sholi, Krob, New, ColdComfort, Commandant, bwoar and many others (it’s too early for me to remember all the names).

    Thank you, HiO community, for helping me get through another off season. I look forward to another season of the insight, craziness, optimism and pessimism on HiO this season.

    • Frozen Village says:

      here here

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Without variety the place would lack interest I think. It is amazing the minutia we learn about this team at this place, even if some of it is lacking any factuality.

      Also think it is interesting to see how much many posters know about other teams and players. Many sites for teams can be so homer based that little to no knowledge of the competition is recognized.

      CHeers Bill!


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