Update: Valentenko bolts Bulldogs, signs for three years with Moscow Dynamo

The Moscow Dynamo website is report this morning (translation from Russian to entertaining English is here) that Canadiens defence prospect Pavel Valentenko has signed a three-year deal with that Russian club.

As of mid-afternoon, the Canadiens said they had no confirmation of the reported signing, but said they knew the player was in Russia attending to family matters.

Montreal’s American Hockey League farm club, the Hamilton Bulldogs, had this week given the highly-touted 21-year-old an indefinite leave for this reason.

Here’s audio of an interview with Valentenko after the third day of the Canadiens’ rookie camp last month.

139 Comments

  1. Neil says:

    Ya but they had better odds. There was like 20 of them.

  2. twocents says:

    Jim M,
    Some reality(and sarcasm) had to be injected into this discussion and since you were a little slow on the draw, I stepped into into the breach. ;)

  3. RetroMikey says:

    Gotta love the Cyrillic language which I must say I am proud to learn how to read and write it as well!
    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  4. HabsColor says:

    Looking it reversely, how many retired Jerseys for former NHL non-american no-canadian players??? few, very few.

    correct me if I am wrong.

  5. Jim M says:

    twocents

    Thank you for putting this story in its proper place. I couldn’t care less if Valentenko wants to go home for more money from the KHL that is bleeding money right now.

  6. HABZ24 says:

    its not easy being patient waiting to make the nhl i guess, take the money and run home.hope he’s black balled if he ever tries to return.

  7. Bugs says:

    Just read the Russian article.
    The only good part was finding out how ya spell Andrei Markov in Russkva.
    Андрея Маркова
    Peace Out.
    ______________________________________________________
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  8. Le.Bon.Serge. says:

    Well if they want to leave, just do so! It sucks for the organization, but we already see a reduction of europeans players getting drafted.

    I like Russians, believe me. My favorite player is Sergei K. and I like a lot of european players too….But a lot of them, when theyre not happy, they cry or go home. It happens very often. Look at Samsonov, Grabovski, even Kovalev 2 years ago.

    We dont need that over here, in the best hockey league in the world. Sure the KHL will get good players, but dont be afraid! It will never be bigger or better than the NHL. Money cant by everything. The best players will always want to play in the best league. Only cry babies, super ego and chokers will say:Well, if you dont make me play more, Im going home!

    Well go my friend! Thats the same thing than a great player playing for a loosing team all his carrer. Thats okay, you are faithful, but what about playing under pressure? What about trying to carry a team until the end?

    Thats when we see winners. Same thing with those Europeans that leave the America.
    _________________________________________________________________________
    “No way! Thats unbelievable! Thats the save of the year and its not even the year yet!”
    (on Carey Price stick save against Detroit)

  9. RS says:

    If it’s true: too bad to lose a decent prospect, but probably a pretty good choice from his perspective. He had a shot, but not an immediate shot by any means, with the Habs. No sure thing at all. Lots of bus rides in his future with Hamilton.

    If I had my choice of working in my country (or at least within my language)close to friends and family while getting paid more, I would probably give up on working in a foreign country for less pay. Nice experience for a while, but a person has to make tough choices for their long term happiness.

    In terms of hockey, he might very well dream of Olympic gold more than he dreams of the Stanley Cup.

  10. Shoowtime says:

    Ohh well what you wanna do.
    Can u Blame him for bolting ?
    The grass is probably greener on that side of the fence.
    But he will half to live with himself knowing that he could never be in the best league in the world NHL.

  11. georgesd says:

    You may be right but I was under the impression he had a one-way contract.

    Please clarify, Regards, Georges D

  12. HabsColor says:

    1. The salary: more than triple, for sure, like former Alex Perezhogin.

    2. As a not-famous AHL player, he needs at least three years to fight for a decent salary, like Komi. If he can get the salary right now, why refuse?

    3. We should get used to it as more and more NHL/AHL players going to Russia.

  13. Chorske says:

    Only in Montreal would the loss of a farm team kid who had several opportunities to crack the big team cause such widespread anxiety. I can only assume it’s because this doesn’t bode well for our ability to finally sign Yemelin? We have enough Russians playing key roles on the team who can speak to Yemelin and mentor him through the transition from KHL to NHL. I’m pissed off at Valentenko for not honoring a contract, and for lying about his reasons for heading home, but I don’t fear for the Habs.

  14. nightmare_49 says:

    The NHL Morning Papers (Thursday Edition) : McCabe, Gaustad set to Return, Alfie Set to Sign and Hamrlik set to Play .. by Richard Pollock ….. http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/30/nhl-morning-papers-thursday-editi ……………………………. Empty Netters : Koivu Matchup, Tanguay’s Start, Andrew Brunette’s Iron Man Status and is Andy MacDonald the NHL Best Bargain .. by Seth Rorabaugh ….. http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2008/10/30/about-the-jets-10-30-08.aspx

  15. nightmare_49 says:

    Wild PreView : Saku .. by Micheal Russo ….. http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/33548934.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8c… ………. Jacques Lemaire Wary of Wild’s PK Streak .. by John Shipley ….. http://www.twincities.com/wild/ci_10840854 ……………………. Captain Saku and Soon Captain Mikko Story .. by John Shipley ….. http://www.twincities.com/wild/ci_10850707

  16. Exit716 says:

    Yes and they have the absolutely best medical care too, just ask Cherapanov’s family.

  17. Bugs says:

    Pavel, you turncoat! Oh, Pavel, how could you???
    Don’t give me this “thriving sports nation program” business. I’m sure China has a “thriving sports nation program” too, that doesn’t mean he should sign with THEIR hockey league either.
    If they prefer to play at home, why come here in the first place? Because the NHL is where it’s at, that’s why. And when they can’t cut it early, they bolt back home. End of story.
    Question is: Are we EVER going to draft Ivans again? If we do, they have to be TOP picks that are GUARANTEED to make the league within a year and a half.
    This is ridiculous. How many years has Pavel put in with us? Three?
    Shame on you, Pavel!
    Waitaminnit…do you think management KNEW beforehand? Was there a deal, maybe? Will Moskva Protoplast (or whatever) COMPENSATE us?
    No, huh? Aaah fooey!
    Peace Out.
    ______________________________________________________
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  18. twocents says:

    I don’t know MikeL, I am pretty sure this is a sign that the sky is definitely falling. Without Valentenko available I can’t see how we can possibly win the Cup. Maybe we should offer the Dynamo Tanguay and Koivu to trade Valentenko back to us. Gainey has to do something! I hope he cancels all the 100th anniversary celebrations so he can give this dossier the full attention it deserves.

  19. JIMVINNY says:

    Actually, that’s incorrect. He has a two-way contract with the habs. As such, he should still required to abide by the agreement between the two leagues.

  20. MikeL says:

    I don’t really see this as a big issue. We will sign Komi and already have Markov, Hammer and Gorges under contract for the coming years. McDonaugh will likely turn pro next year, and Matt Carle and Yannik Webber have already passed Valentenko on the depth chart. He has a grinding 5th or 6th d-man, at best, anyways.

  21. HabsInBlood says:

    “tarrana marble loafs” … LOL. That’s a new one and I like it.

  22. Ton says:

    Agreed. They have problems on defense. No doubt. This is our weakness this year. We dodged a bullet with Souray leaving because we had Strect. If your going to make mistakes we may as well make then with young players. Were missing offensive talent in our youth back there. I don’t think we could win the cup with this defensive makeup.

  23. twocents says:

    Attaboy, when faced with the actions of a 21 year old the whole organization should alter it’s approach to prospects. Panic and quick reversal of strategies are the type of behavior that build great institutions…. like the tarrana marble loafs.

  24. RetroMikey says:

    According th the Hamilton Spectator several days ago, he went home for personal reasons.
    It is starting to be more of a trend that we have to get used to.
    While the US economy is crumbling and Canada is being buried with them, Russia is quietly turning into a thriving nation, and their sports programs are a sucess as well.
    We can’t forget that they do have lots of money!

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  25. steadyjake says:

    yes, russia has money now. wake up.
    gainey has to start getting ahl talent into the lineup NOW. habs will continue to lose bulldogs if they dont get playing time. valentenko was ready to get a look in montreal.
    so is pacioretty, chipchura, stewart, maxwell, and PLEASE, lets get weber into the lineup before he goes somewhere.
    i hear a lot of whining about disappointing obyrne and a lousy powerplay. call up weber.
    inject more youth into this team and sit brisebois.

  26. Corio says:

    Wow is that announcer for the Bulldogs annoying! Scooooooooooooooooooooooooooooresssssssssssssssss!

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  27. Exit716 says:

    I would suspect that now Emelin’s deal currently signed is now worthless. I hope they go to Russia and convince him to sign right away.

  28. Naila Jinnah says:

    NO WAY!

    That sucks. Pavel was awesome and didn’t strike me as the kind of player who would do that – although I’m not sure how official this is, until we get a local confirmation from a team source.

    http://starshinediva.blogspot.com

  29. Corio says:

    No that won’t happen because of the salary cap. You still have to build your team under the cap and just because a player is Russian you can’t give him more money based only on that, that will hurt your organization. I think it will just hurt the Russian players that want to play in the NHL, organizations will be less likely to risk signing them if this keeps happening.

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  30. georgesd says:

    Valentenko signed an agreement with the Bulldogs of the AHL–and NOT w the Habs–and as such could sign with the KHL. This doesn’t surprise me since the KHL is becoming extremely successful as an option for Russian, European and North American players. Read my previous post.

    The way Valentenko was playing it seemed to me to be more and more apparent that he wasn’t going to break into the Habs line-up in the next couple of years. Other prospects were ahead of him at this point in time: Weber, Henry and maybe Carle. Also, next year I expect PK and McDonaugh to compete for a spot as they progress into the 2009-2010 season.

    Until a bona-fide agreement between the NHL and the KHL is signed, don’t be surprised as more and more European players go back to play in Europe. This may be the beginning of something I’ve been hoping for in the past few years: a reduction of the number of teams in the NHL (to a level of about 24 teams max, 2 Conferences of 12 and 2 divisions of 6), the folding of many of the weaker NHL franchises (Atlanta, Florida, Phoenix, Nashville, Columbus and possibly Carolina), a return to Canada (don’t ask me to demonstrate the math here–it’s beyond my capacity) with Winnipeg, Hamilton and Quebec City back into the fold.

    Whether we like it or not much in the hockey world will change in the next 3-4 years at most. We will get used to it nonetheless. With the emergence of MLS soccer and their intent to become more popular and successful than NHL hockey in the USA, it is time we get used to le “changement”.

    I’m all for it. Read the NY Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112Russia.html?ref….. It gives TRUE perspective not the “head in the sand” attitude the NHL, N. A. media (i.e. à la TSN & the like) that if we just close our eyes, THIS will all go away like waking up from a dream/nightmare…

    Regards,

    Georges D

  31. moesolderbrother says:

    So guys are “defecting” back to Russia now?

  32. Gormdog says:

    Why do I get the feeling more occurances like this will result in higher Russian NHLers salaries, instead of the opposite since they are a flight risks…

  33. Corio says:

    It’s all about money, that’s what hockey has become unfortunately.

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  34. Drive_For_25 says:

    Check out the highlights from the Dogs game last night. http://www.hamiltonbulldogs.com/# Stewart one punches some guy and lots of scoring.

  35. db says:

    The Sutters are the only brother combo to play as captains against each other… at least that’s what the TEAM990 said yesterday.

  36. Habsrule1 says:

    I’m ok with that. He just needs some time and patience. People the guy scored 16 goals 2 years in a row with limited ice time on a non-scoring line!

    Hello?!

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!

    Habsrule

  37. Corio says:

    One thing is for sure Latendresse doesn’t belong with the Koivu line, Higgy should be there. Put Latendresse on the Lang line.

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  38. Shiloh says:

    Patience? He only has one life. I don’t blame him a bit – and I would bet the farm that if AK46 had the big-money Russian League option while he was in Hamilton he might have bolted too. Remember, AK46 spent over a year in Hamilton – and many games in the press box in Montreal – while LaSlowesse was riding shotgun on the first line.

    Russian guys? Do your time in the minors taking the ass-end of a 2-way contract. Latendresse? Not so much. And really, is there a single one of you out there who would choose LaSlowesse over AK46?

    I didn’t think so.

  39. Habsrule1 says:

    Get off Latendresse. I’m glad there are enough posters on here that see his potential. I’m also glad Carbo & Gainey do too.

    Pathetic.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!

    Habsrule

  40. JIMVINNY says:

    All I know is that he signed a three year entry level contract the summer of ’07, and that a two-way deal is pretty standard in entry level contracts.

  41. Bugs says:

    Gee…
    Never looked at it that way before.
    Figured who WOULDN’T want to play for the most glorious team in the history of the world? Figured ANYONE should count themselves BLESSED to even have a chance to BREATHE our air, let alone PLAY for us.
    That they might put their interest ahead of ours is… alien.
    Does not compute.
    So ta hell wit’im, I say. He turned his back on us.
    Gotta be frank: I LOVED Perezhogin. Thought he was ALL THAT. He turned his back on us. So ta hell wit’im.
    ANYONE who turns their back at us, Sammy Sergeinov, Perimeter Brière.
    Ta hell wit’em.
    Peace Out.
    ______________________________________________________
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  42. Xtrahabsfan says:

    I foresee a lot of forced retirements in order that the N.H.L. DON’T LOSE ANY MORE PROSPECTS to New Leagues in Europe.

  43. Bugs says:

    Aw, nuts.
    That means that either my copy/paste button is broken or the Russian who wrote it doesn’t know how to spell.
    Help!
    Peace Out
    ______________________________________________________
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  44. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Here’s my question for all of you.I’ve been around a long time now and I’m wondering in such a fast paced world ,is it possible that the patience of a young up and comer ain’t what it used to be???Especially with the new Pro Russian Europe league and all those big contracts?I see it in the workforce in all most every instance, where a new guy want’s to be the boss even though he can barely tie his shoelaces,lol

  45. twocents says:

    And your point is…

    Since Europeans have only really played here in significant numbers since the eighties, and the fact it takes a while to put a notable career together and to then wait for recognition, I would say that the five out of the last 30 players inducted into the hall of fame is pretty impressive. Expect that percentage to rise greatly over the next few years as the players who began in the nineties start to be honoured.

    Jersey retirements take longer but I am sure those will start appearing more frequently too. As it stands Steen, Kurri and Salming have received the honour and you have to know that if the Nordiques still existed P. Stasny would be honoured too.

  46. Mike says:

    THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!! He was a great prospect and he was the only I was truly happy about.

  47. NoTinFoilCups says:

    What you say is true. You just have to put yourself in these guys skates to see where they are coming from.

  48. Neil says:

    Off topic. Does anyone know if 2 brothers have ever faced off against each other while they were both captains of their teams?

  49. NoTinFoilCups says:

    Well actually in his name has you “read” it, the last letter in both his given name and surname are added/changed to indicate the genitive case.

    The correct spelling in the nominative case would substitute the “backwards” R for the Russian letter for “i” and drop the “a” at the end of his surname.

    Sorry to be a tad didactic.

    On the topic, Valentenko doesn’t appear to be a great loss, considering the other defense prospects that we have, but you have to wonder how long before others bolt, as well.

    The Times writer pointed out that the league was not really a business proposition at all. The oil oligarchs are just throwing money at these teams at Putin’s behest. How then can they expect to expand beyond Russia’s borders?

  50. CHsam says:

    Yeah it must be a tough pill to swallow when you see guys like Tender playing on first line. Man…

  51. showey47 says:

    are you not also the same guy who said we should of kept huet and re-signed him long term? Your posts on gui has less mileage then rite mcneils treadmill

  52. Shiloh says:

    Not true. He got points when Koivu fed him.

  53. Jim M says:

    You should read up on things, besides hockey. It might open your eyes to the real world. As far as intelligence goes, you sure showed a lot of it in your criteria for a V.P. in your post below.

  54. mtl8 says:

    Anyone have the feeling Kovalchuk might be the next to take the jump back across the pond? Especially with the way Atlanta’s been playing…

  55. JIMVINNY says:

    Anybody involved in politics is a whack job. I could say “Barack is a anti-corporation liberal misinformed whack job!” and I’d be right too.

    Although I wouldn’t play tonsil hockey with him…

  56. Bill H says:

    Big difference.
    Kovalchuk makes $7.5M, gets red carpet treatment in Atlanta, and is the toast of the town.
    Valentenko makes peanuts and rides the bus in Hamilton.

  57. REB says:

    A big Amen to that! Four yrs of him could end up being a bigger disaster than GWB.

  58. RetroMikey says:

    Pavel is not having a good season in Hamilton.
    I know, I’m a season ticket holder for the Hamilton Bulldogs and analyze everyone.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  59. REB says:

    pro-gun and conservative…2 things lacking in Canada and part of the reason I left.

  60. habs haven says:

    did he look as bad as he did in training camp? If that’s the case, he probably wouldn’t make our team anyways. How is Weber looking? ready for the jump to the big club?

  61. mtl8 says:

    Definitely valid points. Can’t help but think that Jagr coulda garnered the same money and recognition though.

    Do I think it’s a long shot? Yeah, but with what I hear of his competitiveness combined with a pitiful Thrasher’s team…stranger things have happened.

  62. Jim M says:

    mjames

    I trust everything is going well.

    Anyone who votes McCain-Palin hasn’t been following their country’s downfall with that idiot Bush and Darth Cheney at the beck and call of the corrupt military/industrial complex. Let’s see if they steal another one with their rigged voting. Good luck.

  63. TripleX says:

    Does anyone else think that Russian players will be moved down in the upcoming draft? Why waste a top ten pick on a player that might stay in Russia for big rubles. Montreal has been burned twice already.

  64. G-Man says:

    History will be made Tuesday, 140 some years after Lincoln.

    Gilbert
    2008/09 is the season of the Habs

  65. G-Man says:

    The NHL is going to lose players to the KHL. Will it diminish the on-ice product here? With the internet, people can watch all kinds of different hockey leagues at all kinds of hours. The on-line fan base for hockey is growing like crazy and the NHL stands to lose if too many stars opt to play in Europe for big bucks.
    For the fan who watches on tv only, well you don’t miss what you don’t watch.

    Gilbert
    2008/09 is the season of the Habs

  66. Bradlo says:

    Thats interesting. If that is the case, it definitely lessons the blow. That doesnt mean that Im happy about this. I would much rather he learns and improves under the direction of Donny Leaver

  67. Hockey Socks says:

    The beauty of the way the Trevor Timmins and company have built this organization is that this isn’t a big loss when we have guys like Ryan McDonagh, Yannick Weber, and P.K. Subban waiting in the wings. I just wish Alexei Emelin would drop by the Bell Centre… he’s the other Top 4 defenceman we need.

  68. JIMVINNY says:

    Rigged voting? Well there’s an intelligent argument… /sarcasm

  69. JIMVINNY says:

    He’s UFA in a year and a half. He’ll wait, and go where he can win AND get paid.

  70. Shiloh says:

    Get a life. We don’t want any part of the American Taliban. Just how are your whackjob fundamentalist torturers any different than the leaders of a banana republic or MidEast cell?

  71. Shiloh says:

    I am ashamed to share this site with people who would compare Senator Obama to the idiotic George W. Bush. You people should try a little schoolin’ – it can’t hurt.

  72. New says:

    I think it’s good on the Habs to place him where he will develop better, in this case the K. He was slipping way down the depth chart playing in the AHL.

    But you’re right. Some players deserve a shot, and it looks like they’re not going to get it in a timely manner.

  73. Naila Jinnah says:

    According to Valentenko’s facebook, he apologizes for leaving Hamilton but he wanted to be close to his family.

    http://starshinediva.blogspot.com

  74. santeri says:

    He might still get to do both in the KHL.

  75. santeri says:

    …and natural gasses.

    In a few years with the new gas pipe to Germany they will be supplying a good sized chunk of EU’s energy. Which is somewhat scary.

  76. RetroMikey says:

    I don’t see anyone complaining among the young Detroit prospects or fans when an old guy as well like Chris Chelios is taking up a roster spot in Detroit.
    Why do we have the AHL for then?

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  77. JIMVINNY says:

    As this is a hockey site, or at least it was last time I checked, I try to keep my comments either concerning hockey, or keep them to a good-natured response of something non-hockey.

    As for reading up on things, conspiracy theories make for great reading at the grocery store checkout, but should not be confused with with the “real world.”

    Since my country doesn’t have a VP, my criteria for one is pretty slack. If you choose to see that as unintelligent, fine. Enjoy the trolling.

  78. Habby67 says:

    Prospects dont mean squat if they sit in the minors while their obsession with Breeze by takes up a roster spot. I dont like the move to Moscow but its understandable…

  79. JIMVINNY says:

    Please, leave then. And take your Latendresse bashing with you.

  80. Jim M says:

    Your first response was not good-natured. And this one is not truthful when you say you try to keep to hockey or we wouldn’t be exchanging posts. You obviously don’t follow politics, so maybe you should stick to hockey. Or you could google Diebold and learn something.

  81. JIMVINNY says:

    I apologize that you misconstrued my statement. I should have posted an “lol” or something, I guess. You’re not being all that good-natured yourself. My previous responses (including criteria for a VP) regarding political issues were however, which is when you entered the conversation.

    Diebold? I believe I stated that conspiracy THEORIES are appropriate at the grocery store, but not may other places. The voting machine tampering thing is a theory, as nothing has been proven.

    As for sticking to hockey, I’m trying to watch the game, but you’re distracting me.

  82. HabFab says:

    Jim ,are you responsible for that YouTube video there when you google Diebold?

  83. JIMVINNY says:

    Frank, I meant to reply to Jim’s post. Sorry.

  84. Jim M says:

    That ref, Lee, is distracting me. That is one lousy referee.

  85. JIMVINNY says:

    On that, my new friend, we shall agree.

  86. Jim M says:

    Actually, I’ve read your posts and appreciate them a lot. You just don’t know squat about Republican dirty tricks.

  87. Jim M says:

    Frank

    Walden O’Dell, Republican fund-raiser and former CEO of Diebold, and a personal friend of the Bush family, is responsible for all the publicity that Diebold receives. I just like to advertise the corruption.

  88. JIMVINNY says:

    I’m a conservative, but fully understand that Canadian right wing is nowhere near American right wing. That being said, I think the Republicans take a lot more abuse than they deserve. The American Media is notoriously left-wing, and rarely is an election fought fairly. Not that politics is supposed to be fair, but I guess I just like sticking up for the underdog.

    Sometimes I take it a little further than I intend, and get a little hot under the collar.

  89. Jim M says:

    Don’t sweat it, Jim. I’m a C on some things and a Liberal on others. When Preston Manning went down to Washington a few years ago to meet his fellow conservstives, he came back shaking his head at their ideology. Democrats in the USA are our conservatives. They are not left-wing at all. Take care.

  90. Guy21 says:

    Actually if you listened to the latest puckcast you will hear them agree that Gui should not be on Koivu’s line any longer-it should be Higgins. I agree totally-Late-undress is too slow and too soft….he can’t even grow a beard.If he were not a Francophone he would still be with the Bulldogs !!!!!!
    I say good bye to Valentenko and who cares……..even Breezer wants to play here.

  91. Habsrule1 says:

    I have no problem with Higgy on Koivu’s line. That being said, just because the podcast says so, doesn’t make it true lol

    He did score 16 goals 2 years in a row, so put him on any offensive-minded line, and he’ll be fine.

    “I can’t hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears” – Patrick Roy

    Go Habs Go!!

    Habsrule

  92. Corio says:

    I was never referring to the puckcast and I thought that Higgy should replace Latendre on Koivu’s line a while ago and the puckcast only confirmed I wasn’t the only fan thinking so..

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  93. mjames says:

    I know this off topic but while you are praying and hoping for a Habs win please include a prayer for your neighbours to the south that Obama is voted in and we collectively are not subjected to McCain and that wack job for four years. You have stake in this because if we tank, you will most likely also tank.

    I am hoping that we Americans are not that stupid but we did give Bush 8 years -ugh.

    mjames

  94. Corio says:

    I don’t pray but I will keep my toes crossed for you all.. :)

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  95. JIMVINNY says:

    I don’t know that God chooses sides when it comes to things like politics. Free Will, and all that. Besides, if the “whack” job you’re referring to is Palin, she’s hot and supports hockey. What else could I want?

    As for us, I think the only tanking going on up here will involve all our oil tankers. Thanks, though.

  96. Kovalev4captain says:

    I don’t understand why people are still on this guy. Latts had the most 5 on 5 goals on our team last year. He has scored 30+ goals in his first 2 seasons in the NHL by the tender age of 20 or 21, and that playing 3rd or 4th line minutes! With the way Gainey conducts business how can anyone say that if this guy was not French that he would be playing in Hamilton… the players on our team are here for a reason and that is because Bob thinks this is the best squad we can currently ice. So everyone should get off this guys back! He is a Hab let us not forget, we should chear for all our players!

  97. JIMVINNY says:

    Exactly. This whole french guys getting preferential treatment is BS. If that was the case, Marc Denis would be our starting goalie, David Desharnais would be our top line center, and Mathieu Carle would have been paired with Markov after coming back from his concussion.

    The best squad possible is what is seeing the ice every night. Point Finale.

  98. Rugger says:

    With the price & demand of oil dropping like a Laraque fight opponent, The Russian money will dry up quickly and these guys will all come crying back to the NHL.

  99. Corio says:

    She is a pro-gun conservative misinformed whackjob! The only hockey I would play with her is tonsil hockey!

    “He knows, like, unnecessary facts about putting Sears catalogs on your shin pads.” Sean Avery on Don Cherry

  100. krob1000 says:

    Anyone hear anything about our lineup tonight??? Laraques vs Boogeyman?

  101. RetroMikey says:

    Trust me, Russia is prosperous and rich in oil.
    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  102. Oleg Petrov says:

    Boys and Girls, the reality is we don’t know the whole story and until the official story is released, this is all endless speculation. The fact is – this is a 21 year old kid who is probably missing home and frustrated with being in the minors. There may be family reasons why he wants to go home, and if the CKAC report is correct, he went with the team’s permission.

    This isn’t the end of the Habs – it is to bad that there are 3 decent prospects playing in the KHL and may never wear the Habs uniform but the draft is always a crapshoot and there are many reasons why a drafted player never makes the NHL roster.

    Thankfully, the cupboard is not bare and there are players competing to be in Montreal. We may never see Emelin, Pavel or Perezhogin back in Montreal but the organization is still rich with young players.

    Let’s wait to hear the whole Pavel story before judging the kid.

  103. jabber39 says:

    The problem is the way guys like Benoit Brunet (worst color commentary broadcaster ever and shame on RDS for not signing Yvon!) pump up guys like Guy for his play…he’s just not that good point finale!! And Frankly anyone who thinks he can be that difference maker on the ice should think about how well they actually know their hockey…

    Knowing is Half the Battle…

  104. gincognito says:

    At that age, I would have been lured back home by the sight of my high school crush’s side boob. Any contract I had signed wouldn’t be worth the kleenex I relieved myself in.

    I’m far too old to be judging a kid that age is what I’m saying.

    Sick and ashamed and happy (and jumping in the fray),
    d.

  105. Number31 says:

    If he’s really going to play there, I’m not sure what he’s going to do except sit in the penalty box because of the way he plays the game. The Russians and the Habs have always been good to each other. It’s rather disappointing if this is all true.

  106. Kovalev4captain says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Guy is a difference maker, far from it, but show me someone else in the NHL that gets paid what he does, gets the same ice time, and gets more points… my guess is you might find one guy. he is great at the price we have him at at for his spot in our depth chart he gets us enough points.
    And I agree that Benoit is horrible, he is in love with Guy!

  107. originalsix says:

    Some more info from CKAC.ca

    ////

    Le Canadien aurait donné la permission au défenseur de faire le saut de l’autre côté de l’Atlantique pour le reste de la campagne.

    Valentenko a signé une entente pour le reste de la saison et deux années d’option. Il aura donc le choix de revenir avec le Canadien à la conclusion de la présente campagne.

    http://www.corussports.com/canadiens/valentenko_finira_saison_russie-20081030-1253373.html

    ////

    Essentially means the Habs agreed to let him play in Russia for this season, and the extra 2 years on that 3 year deal is OPTIONAL. So he can return to the Habs at the end of this year – or he could screw us and stay.

  108. Iceberg84 says:

    Perezhogin’s desertion hurt me a little more than this but I’m still disappointed if this report is true.

  109. habs haven says:

    Here’s the problem. yes the habs gave him permission to play for 1 year in Russia. But had he stayed here, and the habs have injuries on D, they could have called him up. Now we have nobody to call up, in an emergency. Let’s face it. None of our defensive prospects are ready. The closest might ne Webber, but I doubt we see him until next year, tho you never know. He could be brought up near the end of the season just to see how he’s progressing. But something seems to stink here, or maybe it’s just some of that russian Smirnoff.

  110. RetroMikey says:

    We don’t know why Pavel went back to Russia but he did get the team permission to fly back to Russia.
    Perhaps he wants to be close to an ailing relative or was homesick.
    We won’t know until Pavel speaks up not Bob or Trevor, just Pavel.

    It is not easy for any European hockey player to come into a new country such as Canada or the US, different language, different culture, and step right in to play.

    Homesick? Perhaps.

    Just imagine if we went to play in Russia, The Czech Republic, or Swedaen for example.

    I’d be lonely too and I’d want to come home as well!

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  111. RetroMikey says:

    I don’t think so.
    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  112. RetroMikey says:

    Weber will be called up IMO, sometime after the new year.
    I don’t see him as a top 6 D but as a Streit type player quarerbacking on the PP.
    Very creative guy.
    Somehow, based on my observations, there is a communication problem between Lever the coach and Pavel.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  113. RetroMikey says:

    IMO, Valentenko is not ready to play in the NHL and I don’t see him being called up at all this season unless he improves his game.
    He has potential but everyone expects him to play in the NHL right now based on media reports.
    As a fan, I’ll let him ride the buses.
    Sorry, he’s not ready yet as well as Max Pacioretty.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  114. originalsix says:

    According to CKAC, the Habs have a agreement with Moscow Dynamo to let Pavel play in their league for 1 year.

    Kinda seems to conflict with the 3 year deal thats being reported…

  115. Le.Bon.Serge. says:

    We have to be careful with what the Russians are saying. They like to say something and do the opposite.

    They want to kill the NHL and will do anything to do so.

    _________________________________________________________________________
    “No way! Thats unbelievable! Thats the save of the year and its not even the year yet!”
    (on Carey Price stick save against Detroit)

  116. Bahamut-Prime says:

    Well we’ve got a good defensive corp and with Weber getting much more of a look at training camp then Valentenko and with other prospects like Mcdonagh and fellow countryman Alexei Ymelin if he wants to make more money let him. Hopefully he’ll be ready for the NHL in three years.

  117. HabsProf says:

    If the Habs gave permission, that would be one thing. But I thought there was a transfer agreement in place – the league’s would honour each other’s contracts. In the Radulov case, the KHL says the agreement was not in place before he bolted. But they clearly said they would have honoured his deal if he had tried to bolt after the transfer agreement was in place.

    So what is going on?

    And yes, there will be more hesitation on the part of NHL teams to draft and develop young Russians, especially with high picks.

    _____________________________________
    “Deserves” got nothin’ to do with it.

  118. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Na-na nah nah… Na-na nah nah… hey, heeeey до свидания

    A Hab is a Hab is a Hab, you see…

  119. B says:

    Players have a right to sign wherever they like, but once they sign a contract they should honour it. I don’t think that loosing him will have much of an impact on the team in Montreal, but as an organization I would hesitate to waste any more picks or development efforts on Russian prospects.

  120. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Why would a Guy like Chipcura stick around either when he can go else where???And speaking of young guy’s that were’nt ready,I remember a very young team that joined the N.H.L. CALLED THE Oilers that developed their success while playing in the N.H.L. and look what happened there…..

  121. krob1000 says:

    Yes, I remember those Oilers and a few Hall of Famers named Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson……with all due respect to Valentenko, Chipchura, OB and anyone else we have in the system….we don’t have any future hall of famers knocking on the door right now. Ther eis no difference between O’Byrne and Brisebois right now oneis bigger and plays more physical the other is better offensively and smarter. No real difference.

  122. showey47 says:

    If this report is true then it shows the down side of being neck deep in prospects, like we are on defence. They all can’t make the nhl, well not with us anyway. But it still has to be rather disappointing when you are behind “the breezer” on the defensive depth chart.

  123. Sliver24 says:

    That’s a pretty bonehead move at this point when you consider that four of the eight players that currently patrol the blue line for the Habs are UFAs at the end of the season. Hopefully Komisarek and Bouillion will be back next year, although I could see a team that’s hurting for D-men (i.e. TB) offering Bouillion more than the Habs would be willing to pay him. I certainly don’t see Brisebois or Dandenault coming back next season.

    It seems to me that, had he stuck around, Velentenko would have been likely to have cracked the Habs’ lineup next season at the latest. Who knows, maybe Gainey will trade one or more of those guys before February and Velentenko would have ended the year with the big club.

    Oh well, if this is true, then good riddance says I. A 21 year old that would leave town under false pretences and then sign in another league isn’t the type of player I want on my team anyways. He’s way too much of a prima donna for my tastes, much like his countryman Grabovski (who, BTW, has two points and is a minus-4 in nine games this season – LOL).

  124. mjames says:

    Did you take a McCain pill – bitter bitter angry man

    mjames

  125. Sliver24 says:

    Nah, but it bugs me when young players don’t have any humility or respect for their teams or teammates. A certain amount of cockiness is okay in hockey, but you have to earn it.

  126. SlovakHab says:

    “B”,

    What a true, logical and well written comment.
    I think the same way as you.

  127. JIMVINNY says:

    Little jack@ss.

  128. likehoy says:

    wait…

    how is this possible?? didn’t we sign an agreement?

  129. twocents says:

    I am not surprised this continues to happen. The only reports of a deal I have read were less than reassuring, still full of threats of retribution.

    This is a shame but, if the kid isn’t willing to work hard enough to earn his spot with the Habs, then he wasn’t going to work out anyway. It means others will get a shot sooner and it emphasizes our need to acquire another NHL defensemen before the year is up.

  130. habs haven says:

    bummer!

  131. georgesd says:

    Before you consider this a unique occurrence, read the following article Score Another One for Putin (which I posted yesterday elsewhere on H I/0) by Andrew Meier in the NY Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112Russia.html?ref=sports.

    It’s a lengthy article which goes in depth about the resurgence of Russian sports fueled by their enormous capacity to finance the KHL among other sports and build the necessary infrastructures to be more than successful.

    The conclusion I read is that Betman and the NHL have missed the opportunity they had up until a few years ago to become the builders of a European NHL division.

    Really good read.

    Georges D

  132. Gary320 says:

    WOW. That’s an ass move. He basically lied to the organization and signed with another team.

    Good Riddance. It’s people like him that give other russians a bad name. They seem to want everything right here right now.

  133. Natrous says:

    Good riddance? Not in my opinion. With four UFA defencemen by season’s end, it only hurts Bob’s negotiating power in knowing that he doesn’t have a young, big-bodied dman named Pavel waiting in the wings for his chance.

  134. Ed says:

    If this is true, it is definitely not good. Valentenko just turned 21 this month, and will it have an effect on Yemelin next year.

    Maybe it’s because he sees no future with the Canadiens, what with Brisebois being resigned every year. lol. Or maybe it’s because the money is too good to turn down.

    Whatever the reason, he came over here because he wanted to play with the Canadiens, and now he has given up on that dream.

  135. habs haven says:

    and maybe we shouldn’t draft russians any more. Sounds like the cold war.

  136. RGM says:

    Well that’s a kick in the pants if this turns out to be true.
    —–
    Go Habs Go!


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