Update: Canadiens make a move!

AUDIO: Pierre Gauthier (huge thanks to CJAD’s Rick Moffat for sharing this)

AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Brian Gionta | P.K. Subban | Brent Sopel | Yannick Weber

Quick Hit on deadline day

The Canadiens made a move on Monday, getting goaltender Drew MacIntyre from the Atlanta Thrashers in return for Brett Festerling.

MacIntyre is scheduled to join the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs.

In explaining his inaction during a late-afternoon media briefing in Atlanta, Pierre Gauthier compared the Canadiens’ situation to that of someone who has set aside money for a summer vacation only to discover his roof had to be replaced.

The Canadiens’ injuries on D – Andrei Markov, Josh Gorges and Jaro Spacek – obliged Gauthier to make acquisitions – James Wisniewski, Paul Mara and Brent Sopel – that left the GM with little cap space or wiggle room to make a major deal tofay.

“We have an established identity and style of play,” Gauthier said. “We had success in the playoffs last season with this nucleus of players.”

In noting the degree of of competitive balance in the NHL, Gauthier said teams “can’t afford to rebuild … you have to be building all the time.”

Gauthier said the Canadiens are “a comptent team” with good chemistry, veteran leadership and a group of young players who will continue to improve.

Questioned about his team’s lack of size, Gauthier said while the Canadiens may not be physically intimidating, they are a difficult to team to play against because of their speed and playing system.


ATLANTA (February 28, 2011) – Montreal Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier announced today that
the team acquired goaltender Drew MacIntyre from the Atlanta Thrashers, in return for Brett Festerling.
MacIntyre is scheduled to join the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs.
The 27-year old MacIntyre played 20 games with the AHL’s Chicago Wolves this season posting a record of 12
wins, 5 losses and one OTL. The 6’2’’ and 185 lbs netminder maintained a 2.91 GAA along with a .906 save
percentage. Throughout his AHL career, MacIntyre earned 130 wins, had 79 losses and 11 OTL in 240 games
played. He recorded 13 shutouts and displays a 2.44 GAA and .915 save percentage.
MacIntyre played two games in the NHL, both with the Vancouver Canucks in 2007-08, losing once and
displaying a 2.95 goals against average along with a .894 save percentage.
MacIntyre completed his junior career with the Sherbrooke Castors of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey
League (QMJHL) where he minded the net from 1999 to 2003. In four seasons with Sherbrooke, he registered 73
wins, 87 losses and 13 OTL and recorded seven shutouts while posting a 3.29 GAA.
A Charlottetown, native, MacIntyre was the Detroit Red Wings’ 2nd pick (4th round, 121st overall) at the
2001 NHL Entry Draft.
Brett Festerling played 48 games in the AHL with the Syracuse Crunch and the Hamilton Bulldogs in 2010-11
recording 16 points (3 goals and 13 assists). He also served 56 penalty minutes and had 64 shots on goal.
Festerling was acquired from Anaheim on December 31, 2010 in the transaction that sent Maxim Lapierre to
the Ducks.


  1. Kooch7800 says:

    Not  bad pick ups for Washington. I think Arnott is exactly what they need in that dressing room.  Some leadership, defensive responsibility and offense.

    Van City did as well. 4th line now has Lapps and Higgins.  That is a lot of speed.

    I didn’t think we would be very active today.  Giving up a first rounder and Tinordi for Penner would have been insane. Tinordi will be good and we have so many wholes in this line up a couple of players are not going to make us a contender.

    Until we get rid of the Gomez contract we will never be a true threat. cause he will be our second centre and I said that before they signed plek’s.  Plek’s is what Gomez should be. 


  2. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Steckel and a 2nd-rounder for Arnott?  That’s like us trading Halpern and a second-rounder for him.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I’m fine with Gauthier not making moves if those are the prices we’re talking

  3. Malreg says:

    So you would have liked to have traded a 1st round pick, Tinordi, and another 2nd or 3rd pick for Penner?

  4. Habnofear says:

    Step down!!!!!

  5. kempie says:

    McGuire can’t figure out why MTL didn’t make some big deals to make a Stanley Cup push this year. Our window is closing. And he wants to to be our GM? Pffffft.

  6. observer says:

    of the top 11 eastern teams only toronto only toronto only lousy burke built toronto – scored less goals than montreal and toronto scored ONE goal less than montreal. wash, bost, pitts, buf, atl, all bettered their teams offensively and gauthier advised by the dufus gainey does nothing! deja vu! again!

  7. Kooch7800 says:

    with both the East and west being so close there are a lot more buyers than sellers.  Supply in demand prices go up.  

    With our injuries it is smarter to stand pat.  

  8. MEGAJOSH says:

    Adding some desperately-needed size up front would have been a nice start.

  9. habs365 says:

    we didn’t lose any good assets which is fine with me, not that it matters, I don’t pay them..anyway a playoff series against Tampa or Boston..means a early exit from the playoffs..why give up good assets..start fresh oct 2011….

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    So how did my trade deadline predictions turn out?

    1. Every time a player moves someone will criticize PG for not making the deal. WRONG.

    2. Gomez still with the Habs. RIGHT.

    3. Burke to be a loudmouth. RIGHT

    4. Bruins suck. RIGHT.

    5. Observer to talk shite all day long. RIGHT.


    4 out of 5.

  11. observer says:

    165 goals!

  12. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    So does Pierre McGuire saying Habs shoulda done something make the posters here think he is right?

    Cuz it should make you realize Habs did the right thing. Nothing.

    Also said our team is old, and we are missing our ‘window’

  13. observer says:

    lapierre was worth a 3rd and a player gauthier got nothing!

  14. Drive_For_25 says:

    Your an idiot. 

  15. CHCanadien says:

    What does Pierre McGuire have against the Habs?  This guy is constantly bashing them.

  16. Malreg says:

    You mean we shouldn’t sell the farm to make a run when 3 of our top 6 D are done for the year?!  Lol McGuire is such a tool…

  17. observer says:

    molson should fire him and his “advisor”

  18. observer says:

    30 years ofvfailure – how does he ever get such a job? yankees would not hire a gm so unqualified! dont shoot the messenger mr. airhead!

  19. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pierre Gauthier fired him in OTT in the 90s and he feels he was cheated out of being GM back when Gainey got the job.

    For those of you who didn’t know, Mcguire hasn’t worked an actual NHL job in about 15 years now, but he still thinks his extensive experience as a  MMQB makes him qualified for a top job.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    So we didn’t do anything…not the end of the world.

    In my opinion Markov is the MVP of the team along with Price. Losing Markov, and Gorges on top of it all, really ruined our small chance of winning the cup. Brining in Wisniewski and Sopel was commendable and who knows, maybe they can hold the fort back there for a while, but we’re a long shot at best now.

     We’re still a few players away from being a force in the Eastern Conference. In my opinion, Gauthier and Gainey’s approach has been solid to date. They’ve slowly brought this team from a good bet to miss the playoffs to a team that should make the playoffs.

    In saying that, let’s hope they can do something this summer to add some size and toughness to the team up front to help out the smaller forwards. If they fail to do that they still have reinforcements in the wind. We’ve got LeBlanc and Tinordi who are about two or three years away respectively. The Habs at least have a plan in place and I believe their draft and scouting system is doing a decent job.

    We may not be loaded at the moment like Philadelphia or maybe Boston but overall we’re slowly getting better.

    Heading into the final stretch drive and into the playoffs, I look at the Habs like a pair of Jacks in a game of Texas Hold’em. They’re quite often dead in the water if they run into pocket Aces, Kings or Queens but maybe we can get help from another team knocking one of them out of the picture in the 1st round.  Montreal could possibly pull off a miracle and beat Boston or Philadelphia but to run into them both spells doom.

    At least we’re headed for the playoffs at the moment because you never know what could happen once you get there but the odds are highly stacked against us without making our team any better today.      


  21. Frank2468 says:

    You may not like McGuire but at least he seems to care and some passion for the Habs, I can’t say the same about Count Chocula Martin, and Frankin Berry up in the head office.  I’m not crazy about McGuire either but I don’t think he would do any worse then the ceral crew we have right now.

  22. Kooch7800 says:

    He is an absolute TOOL. McQuire gives me a headache. How he was ever an assistant coach is beyond me.

    Even when you watch the game he will bash a player all game and then they will do something very minor and they are the best player in the game.  Just learn too mute him out like don cherry

  23. observer says:

    dream on. he is exactly right!

  24. TripleX says:

    Nothing.  His problem is the exact opposite.  He is a lifelong Hab fan and can’t help being overly critical.  If he did not care he could care less what Montreal did or didn’t do.

    A lot of us on HIO share his affliction.  I wish I did not care so much a lot to the time.

  25. observer says:

    worst scoring team of top 8 in east and he tried not to better the roster. this is no gm that will ever lead the team anywhere. last year was a halak miracle/fluke!

  26. Kooch7800 says:

    do you know how expensive that popcorn is?  they would never make that trade. Maybe a bottle of tap water

  27. Shiloh says:

    Glad we didn’t move AK – sad we didn’t dump Gomez. Hope we get a senior management team and coach who realize that we are in a new millenium. Hopefully, that will occur by the time Gomez the Anchor is done a couple of years down the road.

  28. Hobie Hansen says:

    McGuire is a Habs fan at heart! He loves the Habs and is from Quebec. He sounds polite compaired to half the people on here wishing Gauthier and Martin would get fired…

  29. RGM says:

    So really there’s not much difference between McGuire and the great majority of HI/O posters…except that Pierre’s gainfully employed to talk about hockey on two major networks.

    Go Habs Go!

  30. Mark C says:

    what players traded today would have helped? outside of penner i didn’t see one such player! arnott has 11 goals, max-pac has 11 goals in half the games!!!111!!!!!

  31. Da Hema says:

    I don’t see how that can be done at this stage of the season without sacrificing the younger core of players, the latter of which would be a serious mistake. I confess I am frustrated that for 15 years the Habs tried to build a “small, fast, European” team for the NHL. The good news is, if the last few drafts are some indicator, that phase is over. I doubt adding one additional large forward will do anything to improve this current team. If Moen and some of the other forwards would play to their size, this might not even be an issue at all.

  32. dh says:

    Odds were stacked against us last year and we did pretty well.  If Price can bring his A game, Cammy can light em up and Gomez can play as well as last year’s post season, we now have Maxpacs looking pretty decent and Pouliot rolling.  Maybe AK will continue busting on the line with Eller and Moen and we’ll be a surprise again.  Who knows.  Need to concentrate on moving up in the standings to increase our chances. 

  33. PrimeTime says:

    I disagree. He is a petty man with an axe to grind. He probably is a decent guy, so I have heard, but his media persona is unprofessional and egotistical. He runs his mouth thinking he knows more about teams and the game then the people who actually earn a paycheck doing so. Sound familiar??  

  34. HalifaxHabs says:

    that’s putting it nicely

  35. observer says:

    yeah right pitts , bost, wash, etc. have a lot of farms to “mortgage” each and every year

  36. blu3chip says:

    Gomez’s contract is much more tradable next year.

    But will PG trade him? While many of us think that the Gomez trade was bad, BG/PG may not think that way.

  37. ZepFan2 says:

    Lord, you were born a ramblin’ man

    Tryin’ out your trollin’ and pretendin’ to be a fan

    But when it’s time for readin’ I hope you’ll understand

    We ignore the ramblin’ man

    ———————————————————————— “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.” ~Serge Savard~

  38. observer says:

    he had all year! he did nothing! filled 2 holes left by injured d-men but this teams problem is they cant score. especially on even strength . there were forwards out there who could have help both size wise and scoring wise. AS GAINEY STYLE HE AND GAINEY DID NOTHING AGAIN!

  39. andrewberkshire says:

    Always hilarious to see the serial whiners going on about lack of deadline moves and what they would have done and blah blah blah. Hilariously it’s the same people who think the Habs aren’t a contender this year that are so intent on Gauthier mortgaging the future for a one year run.

    Here’s some food for thought, James Wisniewski was had for about 1/20th the value LA gave up for Dustin Penner. They both have 39 points, Wiz hit that mark in 3 fewer games. Since the trade, Wiz has 18 points in 24 games, an even rating and 10 powerplay points.

    Penner has 15 points over 27 games in that same span, and is -9, with just 2 powerplay points.

    Would anyone hear give up Tinordi, our 1st rounder in 2011 and a conditional 2nd or 3rd rounder for James Wisniewski?

    How about the whiners stop bitching for 5 seconds and see the forest for the trees.

  40. shiram says:

    Those next few years are looking great, and yea with his pay being less, while cap remains high, there is possibility to move Gomez.

    But the one thing preventing us from moving him, is the lack of a replacement.


  41. SLONCOLD says:

    what’s with the hate for McGuire? not for anything he does know his stuff, he might be irritaing sometimes but who isn’t on TV? everyone here hates everyone on rds, sportsnet, tsn and cbc… who the hell do u actually like lol

    to say he’s a tool or a hack is lame. last i checked he has more nhl experience and probably knows hockey better than most of us.

  42. Displaced says:

    then trade halpern for that… that’s the point that PG doesn’t get.  we lose halpern at the end of the year. we are missing key assets to EXPECT a long playoff run.  If we could have had a third for halpern (like Arnott), a third for moen (like Laps), a third for Spacek (like a bunch of stiffs), a prospect and first rounder for AK (like Penner, Versteeg, etc.) then DO IT!!!!!  How are we going to replace Cammi, Gio, etc. in the next 2-3 years?  A new batch of UFAs??? No thanks. 

    leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  43. observer says:

    they hate him because he tells the truth about the terrible gms both gauthier and gainey ARE here.

  44. shiram says:

    When I saw what LA traded for Penner I was shocked, and quit happy we didnt do a similar deal. And I’m glad we kept AK46 too, if only for the remainder of the season.

  45. Ton says:

    I am ok with what went down, build with the draft. I just thought we might get a little bigger. Hate playing against Lucic and Norton whom can score and beat us up as well. Hope this changes soon.  How did the flyers and bruins get deeper than us in talent pool? I don’t track every move.

  46. portle44 says:

    Whew for awhile I thought Gauthier was going to stand pat.

  47. RGM says:

    It’s pathological with some people, they’re not happy unless they’re miserable about some aspect of the team, its players, and/or its management. I think some should seriously examine the amount of time they spend railing about the exact same thing over and over and wonder what it says about them.

    Go Habs Go!

  48. Mark C says:

    I don’t get the whole “window” argument; any objective observer should be able to realize Montreal’s best window is not this year, but one in the next few years.

    He willingly acknowledges that Montreal has suffered due to a few major injuries, yet still wants Montreal to mortgage the better future window* to marginally improve their current very low odds of winning a Cup?

    * Maybe there won’t be a future window, but based on having Price, Subban, Max-Pac, Benny, etc. in their primes at the same time, objectively one must view that the window as being better than this one. 


  49. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think Pierre McGuire’s name has been mentioned today more often today than Pierre Gauthier’s lol. It’s just amazing how the majority of people can’t stand him. People really have it in for guys McGuire, Cherry and Milbury on this site.

    I think all three of them can make you shake your head sometimes, especially Milbury, but McGuire and Cherry are most often than not, correct. If their delivery is a little in your face or what have you that’s fine but so is the game of hockey.

    Do I spend time up close and personal with the players in the NHL, no, but from what I see as a fan who watches all 82 games plus the playoffs every year, the players love talking to Cherry or McGuire. Both of them are arrogant sure, but that’s part of their act.

    Anyways, those guys are there to get people talking and watching I guess and they’re doing a good of it, plus giving excellent first hand insight into the game.


  50. HabFanSince72 says:

    Always hilarious to see the serial whiners going on about lack of deadline moves

    Who are you referring to? The almost unanimous view on H I/O appears to be thank God we didn’t make any major moves.


  51. HabFanSince72 says:

    “Komisarek will blossom now that he no longer has to cover for Markov”

    – Pierre McGuire, July 2009


  52. observer says:

    worse, spending all that time when the team has absolutely no shot of ever winning the cup because the management team is one of the worst in hockey. wakey wakey! the gm a 30 year loser was fired by both the great senators and by the anaheim mighty ducks.

  53. joeybarrie says:

    THE TRUTH about our TERRIBLE GM’s… THEY ARE HERE…BOTH OF THEM…. BOO HOO… dude you really make me laugh sometimes.

    And its freaking astonishing MacGuire isnt running a team somewhere isnt it???

    Bruce Boudreau said it best. These guys who like to point fingers and makes comments in the media do so because the truth is, if they really knew anything about the sport, they would BE IN IT…. Not fired from it….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  54. SeriousFan09 says:

    The issue I take with Mcguire is he acts like he’s never been wrong about anything and he makes ridiculous statements far too often. He mocked Montreal for taking Carey Price in 2005 when hey guess what, the goaltending future was not well in hand with Huet, Theodore and Yann Denis. He went on national TV saying “Montreal had the Big Three of Robinson, Savard and Lapointe, Toronto’s got the Big Four of Komisarek, Schenn, Kaberle and Beauchemain.” Those four aren’t fit to tie Robinson’s skates. He says he’s a Matt Cooke fan, a fan of a player who has attempted to end the careers of players for years and has likely ended the career of Marc Savard, or at the least, reduced him to a late-years Lindros.

    Oh and let’s not forget, listen to Team 990 often enough and you’d swear he was the HC of the Penguins when they won the 91 and 92 Cups. Not like he wasn’t the assistant to Bob Johnson and Scotty Bowman coaching a mini-Dynasty team.

    I like a few guys on TSN, but the only TV guys I have unabashed respect for are Bob Mackenzie and Pierre Lebrun, they always get their facts right and they’re very objective.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  55. Hobie Hansen says:

    Yeah and Boudreau’s job is real safe heading into next season too!

  56. Da Hema says:

    HIO is a metaphor for democracy itself: incoherent, nasty, short-sighted, and petty. The expectations some posters have are so unrealistic, it is disturbing to think such people are allowed to vote where crucial matters of governance are at stake. While I do everything in my power to resist Plato’s criticisms of democracy, HIO frequently looks exactly like his description of democracy.

  57. observer says:

    la gave up a #4 defenseman on a AHL team NOT  a kostitsyn!

  58. observer says:

    this is canadiens not capitals or nordiques

  59. RGM says:

    Exhibit A makes his arrival.

    Go Habs Go!

  60. slapshot777 says:

    No, Andrew is correct. It’s not what Pierre says so much as the way he says it. It doesn’t matter what the Habs do, in Pierre’s eyes it’s wrong. The Habs did nothing so he says they should have done somethiung since they have not much in the way of players coming up through the minors.

    Now if Pierre was to make that trade earlier that was reported on that fake Pierre LeBrun account, then Pierre would have been saying the other thing that The Habs gave up way too much and that they should not be giving up their draft pick as that is the only way to build a team and depth. They should also not be giving away a stud like Tinordi, who is going to be a monster. No way Pierre wins. That is why people dislike and have a hate for McGuire.


    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  61. joeybarrie says:

    I don’t know. I would be inclined to give you number 1. I am pretty sure if you looked hard enough you would see criticism about almost every single trade, and how either the Habs got screwed in a different trade or could have done it themselves…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  62. Hobie Hansen says:

    This coming from a Leafs fan “Observer”

  63. Da Hema says:

    The “almost unanimous view?” This thread is filled with posters threatening jihad against the current administration of the Canadiens.

  64. joeybarrie says:

    Are you comparing the NHL to Baseball and Basketball???

    You know its funny, cause people like you think PG is not good choice. However, on the flip side of that coin, the people who were PART of that class that you talk about, the ones who helped hold it high do not agree with you. I think that they would agree with me that PG is doing a good job.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  65. andrewberkshire says:

    Really? From the comments I see it’s about 60/40 the other way.

  66. joeybarrie says:

    Don’t you think that since you are preaching about the difference between the teams, JUST MAYBE, you yourself should at least give them the common courtesy of using a capital for the Canadiens…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  67. andrewberkshire says:

    As Churchill said, “…democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried”

  68. slapshot777 says:

    Thank-you, Joey. That’s the truth in a nutshell. It’s so easy to point blame at someone. These guys don’t care about these teams they just want to see trades for their own egos and for the ratings. They couldn’t care less if it puts a team in a higher standing in the league or if it throws them under the bus and the GM gets fired tomorrow.

    A good GM doesn’t make a trade for the sake of making trades. PG has a plan and he will try and follow it as close to his vest as possible. If he can make a trade within the parimeters he has set out, then no doubt he will make it. All we have to do is look at the trades he made for the Wiz and Sopel and Dawes. Decent players for picks and minor leaguers without affecting the actual lineup. He didn’t sacrifice the future, and he didn’t affect the lineup. The players like Kristo, Leblanc, Tinordi are still there to grow and thrive with their respective teams and within the organization, plus we still have 6 picks in the up coming draft.

    Looking at teams like Edmonton even with that Penner draft, they still only have 9 picks. I am not dissappointed that we didn’t make a trade. If it was not to our benefit then I can live with it. Lets stick to the plan and see where it goes.




    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  69. andrewberkshire says:

    As I said earlier in the week, the Canadiens organization values Andrei Kostitsyn a lot more highly than the commentors on this website. I knew he wouldn’t be traded because based on his salary and production he’s not a bad deal in this league, and he still has untapped potential. Sometimes players like AK don’t blossom until later.

  70. SLONCOLD says:

    i think Ferraro is a border line re-tard lol

  71. andrewberkshire says:

    “In the 70’s Montreal had the Big Three with Robinson, Savard and Lapointe. Well this year with Komisarek, Beachemin, Schenn and Kaberle Toronto has the Big Four!!!”

    – Pierre McGuire, October 2009

  72. andrewberkshire says:

    I’m assuming I was supposed to read this like Zach Galifinakis from the Hangover, correct? If so, lol!

  73. Da Hema says:

    “In fact,” Plato’s Socrates said of the democratic citizen, “he lives for the pleasure of the moment. One day it’s wine, women, and song, the next bread and water; one day it’s hard physical training, the next indolence and ease, and then a period of philosophic study. Next he takes to politics and is always on his feet saying or doing whatever comes into his head. Sometimes all his ambitions are military, sometimes they are all directed to success in business. There’s no order or restraint in his life, and he reckons his way of living is pleasant, free, and happy.”

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  77. Bugs says:

    Yeah, it’s like he’s injured and hasn’t played for weeks or sumpin; no one talks about’m…weird.

  78. badbalance says:

    I like how no Halak nutthuggers have mentioned his name in the past half season. Especially that random fan they interviewed on RDS after they traded Halak.. “My heart is with the Blues now”….

  79. Danno says:

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  80. solomio says:

    Oh I get it. Louis Leblanc!! I think he will not make it to the big show.

  81. solomio says:

    wtf is LL? Did we sign Lyle Lovett ?

  82. Habnofear says:

    No Brain-er….probably already has the secret retainer cash in pocket!

  83. Top Corner says:

    Lets get back to the GAME !!!   TSN ruins trade deadline day…..its become a hallmark holiday for themselves and there stupid segments.

    Prices were high , and iam glad we still have all our picks (minus the latter of those) .  Remember habs fans , there is some major decisions to be made this summer involving Markov, Hammer, AK , and now the Wiz , and others on defense.  It could be interesting.  My wish would be for a Markov resign , but not only is his knee an issue…..he has missed an entire season….+ time missed in the past 2 years of signifigance.  Will he even be the Andre Markov that we once knew??  

    Lets enjoy the ride , the summer will be much more important than yesterday :)

  84. BJ says:

    Another wet firecracker day for the Habs. Having said that, what we have as a team now is what we have. I’ve bitched about PG & JM a number of times, as well as with our lack of toughness. So here is my suggestion lets try and be positive with whats here and cheer for Gomez to get it going and continue cheering until he does. Lets support and encourage Kostitsyn to be his best and particularly that he feels support to show up with his A game every game. Lets be positive and supportive of our D living with their shortcomings and appreciating their strengths and contributions. Lets visualize 3 scoring lines and a 4th real energy line. We’ve tried everything else so why not this approach…..

  85. SmartDog says:

    Man that’s just depressingly clear…

    those playing with Plekanec average 0.42 even-strength PPG and are a combined +31. The same players, skating with Gomez, have scored an average 0.28 even-strength PPG, with a combined -26….playing with Scott Gomez this season really is the Pit of Despair for wingers. Five of the six wingers who’ve played with both have seen their production at even strength drop by half when moved to Gomez’ line.


  86. Mark C says:

    Have to hope that Eller, Benny, and Weber keep improving and that Markov and Gorges are re-signed and return to being impact players. It’s a lot of ifs, but that’s the case with most team’s trying to win the Cup. It is all about the pieces being good enough and everything coming together for a year or two.

    I think there’s a good chance for a window from 2012-2014, Montreal will have a strong young core that should be/have pushed the veteran group down the depth chart.  A few good trades and/or signing and this team should be at an elite level .


  87. samTHEman says:

    who wins the cup this year?

    my guess: detroit

  88. SeriousFan09 says:

    Unfortunately, the QMHJL was also producing several times more talent than compared to today. The Q has become the weak link of the CHL for a while now and the Canadiens have 1 full-time scout dedicated to each of the CHL leagues to my knowledge.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  89. Displaced says:

    Do you notice how many QMJHL players we just listed.  Our scouts must have known that league inside and out.  Do we have that type of scouting presence in any developmental league at the moment — SF09?


    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  90. HardHabits says:

    The 93 team is the same.

    Lebeau, Dionne, Desjardins, LeClair, Schneider, Brisebois, DiPietro to name a few of the players drafted by the Habs

    add to that Keane (undrafted)

    and the trades, Muller, Damphousse, and Bellows

  91. SeriousFan09 says:

    Seabrook isn’t a logical move though, they drafted him, developed him, gave him one of the 5 best defensive partners in the world in Duncan Keith and then overpay him rather than play a little hardball or deal him away for someone cheaper who will be close to the same effectiveness playing with Keith. It’s important to identify the core, but your core shouldn’t include paying guys you drafted UFA-period cash. CHI should have retained Ladd as well rather than Dave Bolland, who’s heavily outproducing Bolland right now and is a much tougher player. They identified the wrong player to be a part of their core as well in that deal.

    Stan Bowman has not done that sharp a job of identifying cost-benefit moves for his team since taking over.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  92. TripleX says:

    I don’t expect for lightning to strike twice but hope springs eternal. 😉

  93. Bugs says:

    Me dying for the Cup.

  94. HardHabits says:

    N.A.G. azz with attitude

  95. TripleX says:

    Will his value be as high?  What Edmonton received for Penner is incredible.  How about what Laps brought? 

    Sell high when the feeding frenzy is on.  What is the point on keeping a player who does not fit your plans long term.  It smacks of too much conservatism or lack of direction by management.

  96. SmartDog says:

    Good post.  Basu’s said it (I said it sooner but it doesn’t just come from me) – Gomez is a handicap to who-ever he’s playing with.  He’s a black hole of offensive production.   Look at Gios or Gomez’s or ANYONE’s stats (besides Moen) and you’re gonna see two differnet players – one with Gomez, and one with ANYONE ELSE. The guy’s a handicap on an otherwise pretty decent team.

  97. Mark C says:

    I don’t think it’s just a safe approach. Team’s value the playoffs for money and making an unexpected run. Now, I know you aren’t talking about a fire sale, but trade players like Hamrlik and Halpren would only fetch seconds, thirds, and mid-level prospects. The odds of turning those assets into players that are elite or above average is very low. I think team culture has to be considered, trading away key players while a team is fighting for the playoffs plays poorly in the clubhouse.    

  98. Displaced says:


    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  99. HardHabits says:

     You need to read JT’s blog on The Gomez Effect –> http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/


  100. Displaced says:

    Managing the clubhouse is hugely important.  But we could move a Halpern and bring up a young player who’s paid his dues.  It reminds players that talent, effort and potential are appreciated and rewarded. 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  101. samTHEman says:

    Gionta 22 vs AK’s 15. OK. But Kostitsyn is a very good passer as we’ve seen over the years. It doesn’t mean he’s not contributing when he gets assists. Both have 33 points and that’s the bottom line. He’s a versatile forward in that he can make a play without being the last to touch the puck (Gionta).

  102. Displaced says:

    Gretz, Mess, Kurri, Anderson, Lowe, et al learned how to win from losing.  Bossy, Potvin, Trots, etc. did the same on the Island. There were many players on those teams that lost who didn’t play for all the Cup winners.  Ask Billy Harris and Dave Lewis how they liked watching the finals from LA after being traded for Goring. 

    Two other issues.  First, those young guns lead their teams.  Our leaders our vets obtained through free agency, presumably because of their playoff successes (Gio, Gomez, Gill,…).  They shouldn’t need the learn through lossing routine.  And, finally, teams in cap era probably can’t retain that core for that long.  So you have few one or two shots before it’s time to strip the team to it’s core and start again. 

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  103. Bill J says:

    If he’s Dwayne Johnson, I would take him as the bouncer for the team! lol

  104. Displaced says:

    Like moving Halak RFA rights to the Blues.  Do you think players have more value at the deadline or in the summer?  Does the difference offset having them for the playoffs? 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  105. Bugs says:

    Ok. Soooo, I guess that’s it. Yeah, no need for words; opinions aren’t what this site’s about, really, and certainly none that Dwayne may disagree with, and let that be known to all manner of beasts or men ’round the world.

    So, yeah, we’ll be closing up the site for the night, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for coming; been a real pleasure.

    Go’bless and g’night.

  106. Displaced says:

    Our 1984 draft included Svoboda, Corson, Richer, and Roy.  Add to that Chelios (81), Claude Lemieux (83), and Carbo and Naslund (79)… With HOFs Roy and Chelios, 50 goal Richer, 100 point Naslund, three time Selke winner Carbonneau, we still needed to trade for key pieces like Bobby Smith, Ryan Walter, and Rick Green.

    Right now, we have Price, PK and Patches.  They could be great and still not measure up to Roy, Chelios and Richer/Lemieux.  How many more drafts do we need to luck into Corson, Svoboda, Lemieux, and Carbonneau; and do we have the cajones to make big deals to add players like Smith and Green.

    And, that ’86 team still surprised a lot of people.  How close are we really?

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  107. HardHabits says:

    I only see one post about nothing, yours!

  108. Antho says:

    Kirk Muller behind the Devil bench in July, who wants to bet?

  109. light_n_tasty says:


  110. SeriousFan09 says:

    They don’t play in July so he’d probably not have a lot to do. More likely destination is WSH once they sack Boudreau, an upcoming team with a ton of talent rather than a fading power would be preferable to Muller I’d say.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  111. kmachabs27 says:

    PG stated he wants to leave the chemistry, leadership, etc…i dont know how much chemistry we have but i guess he sees more then i do.

  112. Antho says:

    i see your point but he played in jersey, i think that would be a factor

  113. bigdave says:

    That depression sounds manic.

    Have you stopped taking your meds?



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  114. bigdave says:

    The aforementioned chemistry is not forececking or scoring worth a damn!



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  115. Stooof says:

    Harder to measure a professional sport player to a high tech gizmo or a load of lumber.  But ultimately the future is not known on a player like Kosty. It isn’t an illusion that he hasn’t played great, so in arbitration he doesn’t have much leverage.  It isn’t a business of automatic pay increases.  He is earning 3.25 a year.  I could see them getting him for one year at 3.5, a la pleks a couple years ago.  Show us what he can do in one year, and at 3.5 it aint that bad.  We have to take into account that he just turned 26.  There are such things as late bloomers.  ANd to be fair, this year was a HUGE improvement for him, not scoring wise but in his defensive play. He is playing good hockey most nights with some mad back checking and big hits.  This is as major contrast to his floating years.  My old man at the beginning of the year was deading watching his laxidazle play but was surprised by his jump and commitment to the other end.  He coached hockey for 30years.  and despite his so so play as of late, there are many factors at play.


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  116. Richrebellion says:

    Why would we trade halpern and other UFAs? So that we fall out of the playoffs… This season hasnt been ideal and losing 3 of our d from the season obviously wasn’t planned. So with the loss of 2 of our best d in gorges and markov how can you replace them without giving up some major prospects or picks. Its not that easy to find a player as good all around as markov thats up for trade. Clearly this isn’t the year to trade the future for a chance at the cup, especially when the core of the team is signed for next year. Instead why not roll the young guys like Subban, Pacioretty, Weber and the rest and let them learn the game and get good experience. Then next year when Markov( if we sign him) and gorges come back we can actually make a run for the cup.

    As for the trade deadline, making the big deal usually doesn’t work since the deadline no team making the big deal has won the cup. Its the little depth moves that make the difference not trading for the star player, just look back to last year Kovalchuk goes to NJ and theyre out first round. Montreal made some moves before the deadline but pretty much has a solid bottom 6. Stop crying everyone would love for it to be like the past where we contend for the cup every year but lets face it with the cap its impossible to contend year after year so making the smart move is sometimes no move at all. 

  117. Mike T says:

    I hope not.

    Jacques Lemaire might as well stick around..he surely receives my vote for the Jack Adams Award this season – what a turn around.

  118. emann_222 says:

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  119. Richrebellion says:

    You have no idea what you’re talking about first off the guy has talent for days and one of the best shots in the NHL, I can guarantee that some team would take a chance on him where he doesn’t get harrassed about his play daily like he does here. He’ll probably leave here and go on to score 40 goals in a non hockey market like nashville with his brother! Either way the talk of him leaving for the KHL are rumors like the million other ones that don’t come true here in montreal. Gauthier is clearly better aware of what AK is thinking and what his plan is so stop you’re crying because you have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors. 

  120. HABS_FAN_NS says:

    I really wasn’t expecting a lot out of the trade deadline because if the past 4-5 years has taught me anything its that nothing happens on deadline day regarding the Habs. As for our chances in the playoffs this year it is a tough call. Judging by the Habs play in the past month or so it leads one to believe that we aren’t going far this year. Then again people thought we weren’t going far last year either and look what happened. One thing that I don’t subscribe to is the belief among many on HIO that Boston is going to cream us in the playoffs should we end up meeting them. I don’t understand where this belief comes from. They won one game against the Habs this year and honesly that win wasn’t that convincing at 8-6. The Habs took the other 3. I’m not worried about Boston. Philly on the other hand always seems to give this team trouble and if someone could please bounce them from the playoffs in the early going it would be greatly appreciated. 

  121. emann_222 says:

    Yet still 9 points ahead of last year with more injury, and in a better spot in the Conference.  Guess the chemistry ain’t that bad!

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  122. emann_222 says:

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  123. bigdave says:

    Salary CAP and CAPEX budget are directly tied to revenue and dictate how much you can spend on assets!



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  124. emann_222 says:

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  125. habstrinifan says:

    Disagree with us but dont say we are not ‘true’ fans of the team. It is a privilege and a comfort to be on this site with ALL the fans… to cheer sometimes and gripe sometimes, but ALWAYS loyal FAN.

  126. CanadienBoy says:

    Pressure may be too much for him??

  127. christophor says:

    And both are paid to put the puck in the net. Who’s buried more?

  128. TripleX says:

    No team can keep all its assets SF09, but you are smart enough to know that.  Chicago faced with a looming cap had to lock up what they identified as their core.  I am sure they wanted to keep Byfuglien and Versteeg as well but could not.  They dumped him for what they could get which is the logical move.  It has all turned out rather badly for Chicago this season, but that does not mean the plan was flawed.  They made the logical hockey moves. 

    Every team that wins the Cup in this new Cap era will face the same dilemmas as Chicago and Pittsburgh.  How do you keep the essential core and how do you identify those players?  If and when the Habs win a Cup they will not be able to keep the team together either.  It is not a fault of a bad GM but rather a function of the new economics.

    In the new NHL cap space can be as valuable as a first round pick.  That is why I and many others were outraged by the Gomez deal.  Cap space is the new coin of the realm.

  129. drivefor25 says:

    Make that three votes.


    Fan since ’71

  130. christophor says:

    You’re the bouncer for the fanclub now?

  131. Bill J says:

    Nah – desperately trying to meet you half way here buddy. lol Gota bring you back from the dark side…  Before the trollies get ya!

  132. CanadienBoy says:

    That why is very important to keep you young guns and make the playoff for them to learn what it take even for one round,i remember  the Habs being 1 overall to lose to the Oilers last for the playoff ,only for them to lose to they Islanders , they won the next years 1 of the 4 in a row

  133. CHsam says:

    Man, if Penner became a Hab, we would NEVER hear the END of it here on HIO. It would be straight up 24/7 all about GOMEZ/JM/AK/PENNER/HALAK-PRICE/PG/BG…… and never enough MAB

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  135. top-cat says:

    I agree about the lemmings and uninspired management. Some planning ahead in MTL would have half a defense corps under contract by now with decisions made about Gorges (for more) and Hamerlik (for much less). Similarly AK would be signed at what management wants to pay (probably less). The point is that nothing is to be gained by waiting for summer for these three (and probably others) when you can trade now for picks.

  136. Dwayne33 says:

    fair enough. i will be the first to admit i don’t agree with all their decisions,but the fact is it is theirs to make. I just love our Habs and i am hoping for something special to happen again in this years playoffs.

  137. Da Hema says:

    I have observed the same thing. The Habs always start seasons strongly, but as they progress the players get worn down (e.g., Plekanec) and the referees start putting their whistles away with respect to hooks, holds, and questionable hits. I respectfully submit both these problems are directly related to the team’s general size, its unwillingness to use its size where it has it (e.g., Moen, Gill), and the team’s inability to sustain wins against more physical opponents (e.g., Philadelphia in last year’s playoffs).

  138. CHsam says:

    oh and N.A.G……….. Straight up N.A.G. outta Compton

  139. CanadienBoy says:

    Cammy live for the playoff !

  140. Bill J says:

    Hammr is done after this season, that is my firm belief. I did not find it surprising to hear “He wants to remain a Hab, even at a lesser salary & role” from him.  He knows this is it in Montreal for him.

    I would like to see Sopel play more, but if he brings what he is advertised to bring.  I would like to keep him instead and likely cheaper.

    Spacek… I hope can be put on the long term IR asap…  Hopefully permanently… 😉

    that’s alota $$$$ 😉

  141. Mark C says:

    Is there a reason that AK can’t be traded this summer if he’s not in the team’s long term plans?  

  142. Displaced says:

    I agree with you.  But that probably won’t help your cause.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  143. TomNickle says:

    Like Hjalmarsson who is struggling mightily in Chicago, or Brian Campbell who is overpaid by Gomez standards?

    Like Detroit having a roster that resembles a museum more than a hockey team?

    Like Philadelphia who still don’t have a goalie capable of winning a Stanley Cup?

    Like Pittsburgh, the team that needed four years to acquire a winger capable of playing alongside Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin.  And let’s just for a second pretend that drafting Jordan Staal and Marc-Andre Fleury weren’t huge mistakes.  Signing Paul Martin and Michalek to long term big money deals just prior to Letang taking a jump that many predicted was a mistake in its own right.

    Or how about Boston?  The team that doesn’t have a single top notch prospect at defense?  The team who, very much like us has their season riding on one man, and I’m not talking about Tim Thomas, I’m referring to Zdeno Chara.  Without him, that team is on the outside looking in.  And he won’t be easily replaced.

    The long term plan for the Habs is pretty obvious.  Build a team.  The current roster has excellent young players like Plekanec, Pacioretty, Pouliot, Kostitsyn, Eller, Subban, Weber and Price and very good young prospects making their bones in junior like Tinordi and Leblanc.  The often forgotten Joonas Nattinen had one heck of a wjhc with Finland this year and a player like Alexei Yemelin could be brought over in the off-season and have an immediate and long term impact.  Then there are promising young players like Brenden Gallagher, Danny Kristo and Morgan Ellis.

  144. Displaced says:

    PG seems to be taking heat for not adding players and Boone is defending him, appropriately.  Adding bodies now would have been a waste.   I don’t see many other posters complaining about NOT selling assets.  Moreoever, most people are not going to complain when an organization applies the strategies used by most other teams.  It’s safe. 

    I’m complaining because I think the safe approach will leads us back to this level of success indefinitely. 


    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  145. HotHabs says:

    Habs, for 2 decades now, exemplify the perennial dog chasing its tail:  always hopeful, working hard, and never arriving!

    Alas, we wait another 2 years to catch that elusive tail…

  146. TripleX says:

    Living in Calgary I have plenty of opportunity to see Penner.  When they listed his size I was floored!  He does not play a big game and is not an intimidating force of nature on the ice.

    I agree AK has a the very least the same upside as Penner and will play physical.  I mean AK leads the team in hits is that not a factor?

    I like AK and want him to stay a Hab.  But, if he is not in the long term plans and I can’t see how he is.  PG had to trade him for assets.

  147. SeriousFan09 says:

    We’ll see what happens this off-season, Habs have some pending UFAs and RFAs whose rights they can deal at the draft or before July 1st in packages for things they could use. If they choose to use that may show something about the club’s intentions going forward. I suspect Pouliot will get a new contract, but AK is likely out the door without an elite playoff performance and even then, they may just use that to get more out of him in a trade.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  148. habstrinifan says:

    You have two.


    I am on the fence re trading AK and wouldnt have done it for Penner. Now if it meant getting Iginla then different matter altogether.


  149. HotHabs says:

    kinda like your refute won’t stop posters from expressing their view on the team – people are on here to share, discuss, and vent… it’s what forums like this are about.

  150. TripleX says:

    You are confusing management and coaching with the TEAM.

    The two are not interchangeable.  I hate the management and coaching not the TEAM.

  151. Mark C says:

    Do you know of any team that was in a similar playoff position to Montreal that sold off players?

    Honestly, has this ever happened in the NHL?


  152. Rainrocket16 says:

    So who is playing for White?

  153. HardHabits says:

    Must we all be followers. Why not innovate?

    Other teams bottom out and then win the Cup. The Habs stay in the middle of the pack and in 17 years made it once to the final 4.

    Don’t you see the pattern?

  154. Displaced says:

    Actually, that’s part of my point.  Who cares what OTHER NHL teams have done.  Most GMs are lemmings.  I think it would be refreshing to see a team change the way they do BUSINESS. 

    What I’ve seen from us in the past few years is a one UNEXPECTED (given our standing vis-a-vis our oppontents in the first two rounds) playoff success and our consistent willingness to let many of our top players leave when their contracts expire. 

    How did it feel two years ago to get eliminated in the first round and lose Koivu, Komi, Kovy, Tanguay and others for NOTHING.  Would we have been better off adding picks in the top two rounds and/or prospects for them?  You know, the kind of assets that the Kings wasted (IMO) to get Penner for a stretch run? 

    The idea that teams who make the playoffs should stand pat or make moves to solidify their mid-level playoff aspirations was obliterated by the economics and lack of player movement restrictions of modern sports. 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  155. habstrinifan says:

    Good stuff! Let’s all hope for last year’s magic and one better at least.

  156. habstrinifan says:

    Did Dawes get called up? I think Dawes is a perfect fit for JM’s system.. and I am not saying that sarcastically. Dawes strength has always been his skating and JM likes players who can skate. He has good hands and is good with and without the puck. But he can be inconsistent … yes folks.. another skilled but enigmatic player. Had a good junior and minor career but still has not prospered in NHL career. I am gonna use the “mark my words” phrase that’s been a topic of conversation in HIO tonight and which I should be smart an eschew… but mark my words, if Dawes gets into JM’s lineup he WILL be a PERMANENT fixture making Pyatt expendable(minors) and push other ‘fringe’ players for ice time. He is a prototypical JM type.

  157. Bill J says:

    Yeah I see several patterns.

    I see how Savard’s wheeling & dealings of the early ’90’s severely hampered the depth & future of this team. (including the beginning stages of Roy trade talks)

    As someone else put it, it set the Habs back 10 years.

    Insert BG 7-8 years ago, along with Timmins, and while remaining middle of the pack and only getting lucky in landing the #5 pick in 2005 have managed to build a team, something that you can not honestly say we had prior to BG.

    I agree, 2 top picks – makes this team a legit contender, it will not happen. 

    Trust me, I would have preferred PG not do NOTHING, more then the nothing he did today.  I mean DO NOT GET WIZ – DO NOT GET MARA – DO NOT GET SOPEL.

    Get rid of Hammer & Spacek (before he became untradable) and tank baby tank, and even with ONE tank year, by adding the Elite forward prospect to Subban & Price, the Habs would have something to truly build around.

    But – alas – the Habs will not tank, that is just not in the makeup of this team.

  158. Mark C says:

    I have nothing against innovating, and in theory I agree with the idea. However, I find all the fire and brim stone talk blaming management for not doing something NO TEAM does to be ridiculous.

    Montreal is too good to bottom out, and moving a few players for a few bottom of the 1st round or 2nd and 3rd round picks won’t improve the team for years, if at all.


  159. habs365 says:

    I said way back in December, this team is what it is get use to it. I knew PG wouldn’t do anything, it happens every dead line. they play games in the summer, for middle of the line players and that’s all you’ll ever see on this team believe me or disbelieve me unless a star is born in one of our draft picks and it’s been a long time since I’ve see one on the Habs. every year I hope for a better team like a lot of other Habs fans so far nothing and may never will be not looking good for a cup anytime soon……

  160. Displaced says:

    If we’re on the same side, who’s on the other side?

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  161. SeriousFan09 says:

    I see a pattern of acting like it’s been the same management in charge for 18 years (which it hasn’t been). If people don’t think the Canadiens have made a measure of progress in the last few years that’s fine but this team is far more competitive than anything else that has been fielded in a long time in Montreal. Not going fast enough, well building a team up isn’t easy and there isn’t a set pattern of guaranteed success.

    The Cup Favourites this year are the Flyers, a team whose success has had absolutely nothing to do with bottoming out but with smart drafting + development plus deft trades and a few good UFA signings. That’s the model for the Canadiens to follow, solid drafting, development of those picks into NHL players while working the trade market to improve the team.

    For every Pittsburgh, there is a Columbus and a Florida. For every Chicago there’s an Atlanta and an Islanders. You bottom out in the wrong draft year and your 3rd overall pick isn’t Jonathan Toews, it’s Kyle Turris. Your 4th overall pick is Thomas Hickey instead of Nicklas Backstrom. Soft draft years can mean you’re no further ahead than teams who picked later.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  162. CanadienBoy says:

    RDS say he got call back already ??

  163. vic says:

    Did Pg watch what the flyers did to us.all the injuries because of a small team and big forwards knocking the crap out of the defence.

  164. punkster says:

    Hmmm, oddly familiar post 😉

    OK so your bit about the shedding players with expiring contracts and not essential to a future Cup run stuff may be valid in some cases but does it apply to the Habs today? Most people don’t think they’ll win the Cup this season but as an organization the Habs have to at least try. Maybe they looked at the season to date and figured, hey, we’re in 6th place, likely going to make the playoffs and given the kind of bizarre runs a team can go on in the post-season you just never know. Win the Cup? Well that is the objective isn’t it? And if you’re currently in the upper third (roughly) of the entire league, what the heck, go for it. Very little to lose and a whole lot to gain.

    I say let it roll. So many here think the team sucks anyways so what the heck, take the chance with your existing roster and let the chips fall etc, etc…


  165. Rainrocket16 says:

    I am just going off from what Stubbs posted on here earlier. White was sent to Hamilton earlier today, no word on who will fill in for him. I could be all wrong because I have not been on here too often today but I would really like to see what Dawes has, it would be wild if he tore it up and went on a spree huh?

  166. CanadienBoy says:

    Not bad but you forget GOmazeee only two more years , look at Lecav… and Spezzz..Diapetr.. way to long they will learn or else

  167. Displaced says:

    Consider examples from business rather than hockey.  Companies like Blockbuster and Barnes and Noble expected to continue their dominance by using well-established strategies of building more and larger stores.  While companies like Amazon and NetFlix employed entirely new ideas to fly past them.  This isn’t new. The best run organizations continue to seek and executive strategies based on new ideas to better their competitors.  Those who don’t have to wait for a lucky break and hope that the world doesn’t pass them by in the mean time. 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  168. Mark C says:

    I agree with what you are selling, in theory. I just don’t understand all heat management is taking because they won’t do something no team does. There are solid reasons for playoff teams not to sell off or make bad trades that mortgage future assets for short-term marginal improvements.

  169. Bill J says:

    Unless Gomez wins the Conn Smythe trophy this season. I predict he is trade this Next season or the summer following it, at the latest.

    His actual salary drops substantially.  Making him easier to trade to cap floor teams, as his cap hit remains 7.33Million.

    I really do not think, unless like I said he wins the Conn Smythe, that he will finish his contract in Montreal.

  170. TripleX says:

    The critical difference between the losers and the teams that succeed is management.  The plan is logical but it needs proper management to succeed just as any large business.  Great, innovative, thinking outside the box and proactive management.   Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and soon I expect Boston all have solid identities.  Their GM’s have outlined a team they want and have made moves to create that team from the roster to the coaching.  Everyone is on the same page and roles are well defined.  They don’t try to fit round pegs into square holes.  Players that don’t fit the mold are quickly identified and moved out.

    What is Montreal’s identity?  What is the long term plan for this club?

    “a team can’t afford to rebuild”…..what does that mean PG?  Just making the playoffs is not a long term plan.  It is what the Leafs do not the Montreal Canadiens.

  171. Displaced says:

    Hey SF — I’m not suggesting tanking or anything similar.  Nor I am expecting to get top 5 picks in multiple years.  I’m just suggesting that teams should find ways to renew or recycle their assets as they are due to expire. 

    Will PG tender AK and Pouliot in the offseason?  If not, I would have preferred to get something back now.  We are almost certainly going to lose Halpern and Moen and Hamr and Auld and … If these players don’t win us the Cup this year and don’t fit our plans beyond this season, then it would be nice to have assets with more lifetime. 

    Consider running an airline (or railway company) if you can move passengers from future flights to fill seats on the plane leaving the gate you have created value.  This is the same thing.  We don’t need to trade for a second rounder in 2012 and expect that player to help us soon.  We could use that pick to trade for next year’s version of the Wiz to bolster that run.  That second rounder in 2012 has more time to expiration than a player with a contract due to expire at the end of this season.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  172. TomNickle says:

    I still say Andrei Kostitsyn is more valuable than Dustin Penner regardless of how many fans or bloggers think I’m insane for it.  The numbers back it up, and so do their skill levels.

  173. Displaced says:

    Long term contracts and no movement clauses are insane.  Marvin Miller the famed baseball union chief hated the idea of one-year contracts, because most players would never live up to their expectations year after year.  The Flyers have virtually an entire team of long term contract players.  It could get ugly there.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  174. TomNickle says:

    But they don’t and that’s a reality that a lot of teams need to face, including ours.

  175. Displaced says:

    Moving Gomez to free up cap space would be nice, but I was thinking about a plethora of other players.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  176. CanadienBoy says:

    My man ,Flyers WIN this year or bust because no cap ,no pick and half goon

  177. Bill J says:

    I’ve been secretly on your side on this one Tom.

    I am sincerely hoping him not having been traded, will serve as motivation to “kick it up a notch” and use his god given talent, skill and size.


  178. SeriousFan09 says:

    Chicago just gave Brent Seabrook, a #3 defencemen on his best day when Duncan Keith isn’t around to be his partner 5.8 million per season, which is #1 defencemen cash especially when it’s a player you drafted and should be taking the hometown discount. They didn’t see what they had in Dustin Byfuglien either. If MTL made these moves they’d be building gallows in Centennial Plaza for Gauthier.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  179. ManApart says:

    Very good post, well said. It seems like Gainey and Gauthier make it up as they go along. Building a club for 5 years, then tearing it apart. Gainey fires Carbo 2 months after saying it was his greatest move. Building a new club, by overpaying for a bunch of UFA’s. Now they say they are speed driven skilled team, yet their offence is bottom 3rd in the league. They kinda also want to be NJ from back in the day, yet lack the personnel to do so against bigger, aggressive teams. I mean they really don’t have a clue what they want. No solid plan. Their drafting has been very odd the last 5 years. All American University players. They certainly don’t seem to know what is going on like some of the other teams you mentioned.

  180. Mark C says:

    That’s the model for the Canadiens to follow, solid drafting, development of those picks into NHL players while working the trade market to improve the team.

    Exactly, outside of a few lucky picks a few decades ago, this has been Detroit MO too. Our hope as Montreal fans should be that Price, Subban, Max-Pac etc. become a good enough young core.


  181. king ddd says:

    the moment i heard penner was dealt, i had a huge sigh of relif. some in HIO were talking about  Penner as if he was the second coming of lemieux and montreal absolutely needed him


    ** Buck Fruins **

  182. HardHabits says:

    So you slam me for writing posts the MA and Tony agree to yet you tout the 1 year tank. You can’t gave it both ways Bill 😉

  183. Dwayne33 says:

    why are there so many so called habs fans always whining and complaining about our team. So they didn’t make any moves.Suck it up.Typing your negative and critical comments on this site isn’t going to change how the management runs their team. Enjoy the team for what it is, and if you can’t do that, stop cheering for them. A true fan loves their team through thick or thin!

  184. samTHEman says:

    AK and Gionta are tied in points with 33 despite playing 1 less game than Gionta and lesser minutes (even-strength and PP). Kostitsyn is a +4 while Gionta is a dead-even 0. Both have played with Gomez, and both struggled on a line with him. Seperated from him, they’ve thrived (for the most part, both with Pleks and now AK with Eller). AK’s cap-hit is 3.25M and Gionta’s 5M. Just saying.

  185. Displaced says:

    I wasn’t sure if this thread or the other one housed the true HIO intelligencia — glad my post found you. 

    I understand rolling the dice, I’ve won and lost more than I care to discuss at craps tables.  Rolling the dice on a hockey playoff is not a free ride.  If you keep this team to play this year, you forego amassing the assets to improve your odds in future years.  It’s a zero-sum game.  Or, to continue the craps analogy, a finite state machine. 

    This isn’t our year.  That’s not to say we have a 0% chance to win.  Perhaps it’s 1% or 3% or 12%.  If our young players mature a little next year (which they will), if we stay healthier next year (which we could), if our highest paid players play better (which they should), then our chance to win might be 2% or 5% or 28% — those are better odds and a better time to roll the dice.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  186. Displaced says:

    For the people happy that PG didn’t  “mess with his Kiddie Corps and/or mortgage the future by dealing what few draft picks he has, the wise move was no move“, we better win a couple of rounds and make a serious efforts to re-sign all the UFAs and RFAs on this team.

    If not, we wasted a rare opportunity to shed players with expiring contracts or not essential to a future Cup run for the picks and prospects that we will ultimately need to replace the expensive leadership we signed as free agents as their contracts expire.

    In a league of filled with uninspired management, PG ranked ahead of Murray who started blowing up the Sens and still ending up holding onto a lot of players who will make no contribution to a team in full swoon for the next couple of years.  Second, third and fourth rounders have more value to Ottawa then the Alfredssons, Gonchars and Phillips of the past team, add to that middle-aged luxury items like Spezza and they get a big ouch.  Ditto Florida for holding onto Vokoun, Booth, and an assortment of other spare parts that Tallon will unload in a less heated market a few months from now after his team misses the playoffs.  But the award for the biggest loser has to be Dallas for holding on Richards with some reason to believe they’ll miss the playoff and all reasons to believe they’ll lose Richards come the summer.  Seriously, most of these asset managers need to take a crash course in objective cap management from the New England Patriots, one of the few organizations in any capped league willing to make the dispassionate moves about players that allow organizations to stay ahead of their antiquated brethren.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  187. Antho says:

    no they lost to the most physical team – philadelphia

    they also only got that far because halak stood on his head

    how come all the shots on leighton were perimeter? because pronger had all the smurfs on their asses thats why

  188. shootdapuck says:

    Who in the NHL will pay him even the minimum an arbritrator will award him? 4 mill?

    KHL, no taxes, no language issues and no Montreal media!

    It’s been spoken about for a while as the worst case scenario for the Canadiens and as one of his limited options.



    “I only like to watch and takes notes” JM

  189. mysterycog says:

    725 Posts about Nothing at all!  thats impressive!

  190. sidhu says:

    If we shouldn’t have made a move because we are not a contender, then why not trade away some UFAs to help us improve down the line?  Halpern could have gone to a contender, and we’d get a decent pick in return. 

    The people who defend PG for doing nothing can’t have it both ways: no need to trade because we’re not a contender and not try to improve for the future.

    What irks me most is PG’s statement that we are “competent.”  Since when is being “competent” good enough for the Canadiens?   Competent means passable, just good enough to get by, able.  That is not satisfactory for me, and should not be acceptable for the management.

  191. andrewberkshire says:

    How about some intellectual honesty for a minute. The Habs last season proved that size is pretty much a non-factor in the playoffs. They eliminated the biggest team in the entire NHL in Washington, and the most physical team in the entire NHL in Pittsburgh. 14 games against two teams better than us wore the team down, and they got torched by the skilled small guys of Philadelphia in Briere and Giroux.

  192. dasbooth says:

    I don’t get the trade today, I thought we were desperate for D.  A little help here?


    Also, though I secretly hoped Gomez would be dumped and a big forward would be acquired, I knew it wasn’t realistic. I’m happy we kept what we have. There was nothing out there that was going to turn us from what we are today to a team that on paper would beat Philly.

    “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

  193. Mark C says:

    Frank Jay, who I think has a lot of pull in the organization, cross-checks the Q. Think Ian knows him?

    The full-time Q scout is Serge Boisvert, who was one of the new hires.

  194. CHsam says:

    Featuring G-Love da 5’9 Floater

    Fans gonna playa HATE

  195. dasbooth says:

    I agree, I think if we play the system properly (like in VAN) we can beat the best. My comment was “on paper” because i still though though most people would think it’s a mismatch, the Habs could beat anyone if they play their game.

    “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

  196. shootdapuck says:

    So bottom line:

    AK is gone to the KHL for squat? Gone for free!                       

    Think for a minute that an RFA with arbitration rights who will get a minimum of 4 million next year is going to be brought back based on what he has shown over the life of his stay in Montreal?

    The team is OK and difficult to play against due to speed and “La Systeme”?

    Goatier, Pull your head out of the sand!

    What message did you send to your players?

    Its OK to get two playoff games and their 4-5 million in revenue but it wasn’t “practical” to do anything about the lineup to try and keep up with division rivals who made measured strides forward!

    What message do you send to the 21273 folks who fill your barn night after night when you say “we’re comfortable with what we have” amid a 3/10 streak in February with one line of offense and a “systeme” which doesn’t allow a meaningful forecheck?

    What message do you send when you continually miss out on deals for established NHL forwards who were moved for lower draft picks?

    We’ll just see from now until they pull up the ice at the Bell Center 3rd week of April 2011.

    Lastly, how in hell has Maxime Yappierre appreciated so much in value over the last 5-6 weeks?



    “I only like to watch and takes notes” JM

  197. Habs1st says:

    So you want the Habs to keep AK?  I think the message Gauthier sent was that he wasn’t willing to overpay for someone.  He knows what the fans & media are like…. what if he “overpaid” for Penner or Hemsky and they turned out to play like Gomez in Montreal?  And the players most people on here want to see gone WERE NOT going to get the return that most people on here want to see in a Habs uniform! 

  198. badbalance says:

    Boston will not win the cup…. People are really overrating them..

  199. christophor says:

    Gionta is doing his job better than AK is doing his job. 

    That being said, I’ve ignored the get-rid-of-AK squad because the guys worth it JUST for when he’s on (which will be more often if he’s kept away from Gomez).

  200. emann_222 says:

    Perfect response – and completely correct!

    Curious what miracle people were expecting – but they clearly don’t understand the business of hockey>

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  201. shootdapuck says:

    No way keep AK, who even implied that but to let him walk for nothing?

    Is that good asset management?

    Is inaction year after year the appropriate or response to crisis? Has this course of action produced any meaningful result?




    “I only like to watch and takes notes” JM

  202. Bob Dobbs says:

    It’s depressing to see how few people understand hockey and the habs’ situation well, even on the French media like anti-chambre which I generally enjoy watching.

    It’s depressing to see people don’t realize size isn’t everything and that speed can be a great asset.

    It’s very depressing to see people don’t realize the habs have no holes to fill for the upcoming playoffs, because with two top d-men injured for the season you don’t sacrifice the long-term to extent your playoff run since obviously you won’t be able to get far.

    It’s depressing to see how little people sight those two injuries on D as major contributing factors when discussing how the habs can’t hope at all to win the Stanely Cup this year.

    It’s depressing to see people don’t realize the time to make a trade not for a rental player but for a permanent roster change isn’t at trade deadline when players go for premium because of the playoff dynamics involved.

    It’s depressing to see how often people lament Gomez’s contract as if there were absolutely 0% possibility he could be sent down to the minors.

    It’s depressing to see how with better players instead of Gomez, with a healthy line-up including Georges and Markov, with this season’s new players like Desharnais and Max Pat, with a Pleks who’s not suffering from a hip injury like he was the last playoffs, with the added chemistry that’s been created this year since the big make-over of the team and the new coach that still wasn’t too long ago, it’s very depressing to see that with all this so many people would still not recognize the habs as a legitimate Stanely Cup contender.

    I’m just hoping Gauthier isn’t one of these depressing people, I don’t think he is, my only concern is that he won’t be able to pull the trigger on sending Gomez to the minors (Gomez gets all the rope in the playoffs this year to hang himself and I’m hoping he does).

    Comment below if you support these revolutionary common-sense views!

  203. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Who is it that said AK is going to the KHL?

  204. LA Loyalist says:

    You don’t think Hammer might do better with less minutes? He’s really been over-played the last two seasons cause of Markov. If Sopel is a keeper we don’t want to wear him out either – depth on D we’ve learned is critical.

    I guess it will turn on the knees of Markov and Gorges, and if we can resign the Wiz.

    By the way, with respect to your earlier post, I was started watching Habs in the 70s as my mom liked Dryden. I didn’t live in Montreal until 84, ergo the reference date. I really, really liked the Pat Burns team and while they weren’t the 70’s version they were exciting and played hard and of course there was not much more exciting than St. Patrick.

    My biggest grievance with the current bunch is that the coach, Mr. Happy, does not adjust to the players he has, he tries to break them to his system. To me that is ridiculous. And with the dumb penalties we take, the sloppy inconsistent play, lack of discipline, how is this to the credit of JM? 

    I would our team to have fire and attack, that’s all. Sitting back in our own zone getting bombed every night and expecting the goalie to do it all is as dumb as the prevent defense in football. 

    I have no problem with defense, of course we need it, but Gainey could score, Carbo could score, Muller could score, Saku is still scoring. And the Dieux of Defense – Jacques Lemaire – he scored plenty. He practiced with steel puck, the legend goes — and guess what – he’s no dope, he’s letting Kovalchuk score.

    A Montreal team that can’t score… jeez, that’s not a real Montreal hockey team, sorry.


  205. shootdapuck says:

    Been running asset and performance based businesses for a lot longer that you have been I’ll guarantee.

    Think a salary cap is any different from a fiscal asset or capital expenditure budget?



    “I only like to watch and takes notes” JM

  206. habs001 says:

    while a big name player was probably not available or without giving up too much it is really or bottom forwards that needed upgrading,,,unless some of our 3rd and 4th line forwards step up it will be impossible to go more than 2 rounds …like last year many of our forwards where not producing so martin will shorten the bench like he does now in the regular season but playoff hockey is much tougher there is no way our forwards will have anything left for the 3rd round… 

  207. Propwash says:

    Why is it that some think that the team should blow its wad to get a player where in all odds, would not in the long run make a real difference?


    To do that, Price, PK, Pouliot, DD, ect. would have to go, I’d rather keep them on board and see how it pans out.

  208. dockturtle says:

    Well that was SubGenius in some respects.  I think that Gomez doesn’t have to go to the minors, maybe just the 3rd line.

  209. Propwash says:

    No team in the NHL would send Gomez to the minors, it just wouldn’t happen.

  210. habs001 says:

    we have had a great record vs the bruins over the years….now they may not be a good as some people think but they are better than many posters think…we have not faced the bruins with their new line up….we lost the last game in boston and if you are not biased the comeback from 2-0 with a few minutes to go would not happen 99% of the time…main concern with bruins is that by the end of the season they will have 12 forwards with 10 or more goals..

  211. kmachabs27 says:

    If someone can please give me ONEE good reason why we should re-sign AK-please fire them to me because i want to hear em….He has done absolutely nothing since hes been on this team….he hides in the corners in the playoffs…plays 1 great game and goes for a nap for the next 15…ohhh ya ya yaaaa yaa he has all this potential give me a freakin break….get rid of this guy and pick up a hard-working top 6 Canadian born player then were talking….unless he pulls off a miracle in the last 18 games and goes on a scoring barrage….PG will not sign him….ill bet the house on it.

  212. ManApart says:

    Remember what Gainey said? Size doesn’t matter in the playoffs. This is the genius that ran the team for 5 years and his partner has jus taken over with the same ideas. The madness must end.

  213. CanadienBoy says:

    If the ref do they job by the book SIZE DOESN’T MATTER

  214. habstrinifan says:

    I did not want as deep moves as you seem to be suggesting should have been done, but I dont agree that the wise move was no move. There were too many utility type players, who would have helped fill a need here, that were moved around ov and I think PG should have managed to get one or two of them.. even with the emergency acquisitions that he claimed he had to make. I dont think he had to make the Mara acqusition.

    What we are left with is this problem. Everyone said we needed a BIG forward or two in the lineup to complement our core of veterans/youth. Not having made that adjustment, which was shown to be neccessary last year, we wont know how to truly evaluate the ‘value’ of some of our assets if we have an early exit.

    If we get blown out and pushed around now does that mean that our ‘core of veterans/youth’ just are not up to par or does it mean that the right addition of size would have ‘helped’ their effectiveness. Unless we have a successful run, we will be prone to dispose of some of our core prior to next season, and may devalue them in doing so, because we had not added the essential pieces which would have given us a real indication of their worth.

    As an example, if we get knocked out by say the big bad Bruins, do we then get rid of a Camalleri because he was unable to ‘produce’ in the playoffs or was he , and others, the victim of not having size around them. How do we judge for the next season except get the size and go through the process again thus wasting another year with no real direction.

    PG should have made some moves to address the size issue at least.



  215. TomNickle says:

    Thanks Bill.  I’m not an insecure guy but it’s nice to get a vote of confidence.

    I just know who I’d rather have on my team and while I’m no Dean Lombardi, I don’t think I’m an idiot either.

  216. Thenumber11 says:

    I’d say when AK is on his top game and Penner is also on his top game, AK is better. Both are inconsistant, but I’d rather have Ak when he’s hot than Penner when he is. 

    When AK has those games where he forechecks, drives the net and plays with purpose it’s so much fun to watch. I’m really hoping him and Eller keep clicking right to the playoffs, and give us another line that can put some points up. 

  217. TomNickle says:

    I just want to see him stay with Eller.  If getting consistency out of him means he needs to play against lesser competition, so be it.  A point per game against the other team’s third or fourth line is still a point per game.

  218. Thenumber11 says:

    Exactly. If we can get that match up in a game, that’s one hell of good thing for the habs. 

  219. Dwayne33 says:

    they nearly caught that tail in last years playoffs. Don’t tell me you didn’t enjoy that. And none of us can predict the future,they just might give us another wild ride this year too.

  220. TomNickle says:

    I don’t live out West but I watch a lot of him.  My analysis, for what it’s worth is that he doesn’t have the speed needed to keep up with anyone in our top six(not including Moen).  That he doesn’t have an NHL shot and that he doesn’t use his frame effectively.

    Trading a 1st, Teubert and a 3rd for him might be okay for Lombardi because his lack of speed doesn’t affect his fit there, it would have here.

  221. Da Hema says:


    The poster doesn’t appear to recognize the depth of his/her intolerance.

  222. Mark C says:

    If he continues to play well, yes his value likely increases. Also, we no have idea what value AK had to other teams. Just because LA paid a king’s ransom (lame, I know) for Penner doesn’t mean LA or any other team offered a good package for AK.

  223. deggy24 says:

    Good post Sam. AK would have 20 goals if he saw regular PP action. Over the last week, clearly better value than Gionta. He might not be everything we want him to be (Frank Mahovalich?) but he is backchecking his butt off, laying some hits, and capable of some super sweet passing. He is much improved from last year in his one on one battles.

    As far as Gomez goes, if he was making 5 million, I’d take him over Gionta any day of the week. One of the greatest skaters in the game.

    Habs Win!

  224. emann_222 says:

    So much aggravation spent at Gauthier today and his “lack” of movement.

    I personally for one – am happy with his decisions today. I’m also happy that he didn’t sell out just to pick up Penner. LA got Rooked on that one.

    For more thoughts on Trade Day – Please read my article at http://thehockeywriters.com/?p=24711

    I’d love to hear your thoughts and read your comments.

    Go Habs Go!!!

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  225. emann_222 says:

    We nearly caught that tail last year. Had Boston won their series over Philly – we may have had a Cup in Montreal over the summer.

    Had Philly not made the playoffs – same deal.

    Had we not played with guts and determination – we’d have been out in 4.

    The playoffs are a whole new season and NO TEAM should be discounted.

    Same will be said this year too!

    Go Habs Go.


    Want my thoughts on Trade Deadline decisions? Check http://thehockeywriters.com/?p=24711

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  226. emann_222 says:

    Agreed – AK is ahead of the game compared to last year. Given better lines and perhaps more PP time – that number may escalate. Even if it doesn’t – improvement is just that – IMPROVEMENT>

    As for Gomez – One of the best playmakers in the game. He gains the zone, and holds the zone better than anyone else on the team. Too bad it’s at $8M USD – but I can’ blame him for that.

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  227. HardHabits says:

    I knew you’d love that article.

  228. samTHEman says:

    No 1 player will ever put us on the top to beat the Bruins/Flyers. It’ll take a team effort combined with some lights out goaltending (cmon Carey). We beat the 10-11 bruins 3 times out of 4 this season without markov and gorges, what does that say about our team? we can compete with the best. AND we beat the cup favorite canucks 2 times out of 2. Truth is, the habs play better against top teams. It’s a mystery. But anything is possible. Never say never :)

  229. Habnofear says:

    The three realistic contenders are Vancouver vs Boston or Philly. And I’m telling you Vancouver will win it all! As well big play-off performances from the Vancouver 4th line consisting of Higgy and Lappy just to shut some of you armchair RAH RAH propagandist the hell up.

  230. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    No use trying to use logic or reason with this tool.  His IQ and his shoe size are the same.

  231. Laramy87 says:

    I just want to say something about PG and the trade deadline today. What do you all think he could possibly do?

    The habs have very little cap room and to make a big splash today they would have add to get rid of some salarly. Who are we gonna trade? Gomez, no way anyone takes his contract, AK makes less but his inconsistency in play wont really help a team at all. Then you can argue ppl like Moen, Pyatt, Eller – that is in no way enough salaray leaving the team to pick up a contract like Penner/Hemsky etc.  You can argue Hamrlik, some team mite have been interested, but i dont think and so does sevel other GMs think it would be logical.

    I for one am glad we didn’t give up any prospects. We are not a serious contender right now, we have our first pick and several prospects. Come summer when some our contracts are gone, we mite be able to add some FA and move forward with this team.

    Or you can look at it the way is we have Halpern instead of Moore, Sopel instead of Spacek, Wiz instead of MAB and Maxpac and Desharnies to boot. Then the goaltender debate comes up, but poll the GMs and i bet at least 29 gms would say what goalie the habs should have kept.

    Sure it may be disappointing to some ppl we didn’t do anything, but you really need to look at it logically. In this cap era you cannot just spend at will and satisfy your needs

  232. shootdapuck says:

    You laid down the challenge by implying you alone understood the business of hockey.

    Keep that barstool warm!


    “I only like to watch and takes notes” JM

  233. badbalance says:

    Exactely, if AK was really a problem then PG would have moved him, he’s confident with the troops and realizes we’re a better team than we were last year.

  234. Bugs says:

    Seemed to have worked out for their LAST ex-player/rookie head coach, right?

  235. Flabadagub says:

    I was gonna put ‘the wind that comes from my….’ Or is that too vulgar??!?!?

  236. punkster says:

    Oh the wind beneath my nether regions…


  237. punkster says:

    Vulgar? From a guy who employs Klarwein cover art in his avatar? Not a chance.


  238. punkster says:

    So is it Reading Comprehension or Reading Pennsylvania?


  239. JD_ says:

    Like rushin’ the stage at a Bette Midler concert.

  240. Flabadagub says:

    So true…… and put so eloquently.

  241. Omit says:


    What puzzles me is that some people think that McGuire is an astute hockey man.  This is the same man that compared the leafs D-men last year to the Habs’ big three of Savard, Lapointe and Robinson. He had no more credibility after that dumb comment.

  242. Habanero Gomez says:

    “Too much gravity argues a shallow mind” – Johann Kaspar

  243. Propwash says:

    Yeah, like the guys before Gainey did much better.

  244. Omit says:

    Pure gibberish in content and form.  It must be nice to have a home away from the home.

  245. Richrebellion says:

    First off if you haven’t noticed the habs clearly have alot of youth on the team right now that was developed so I don’t get what you’re crying about. Our home grown talent includes Price, Subban, Pacioretty, White, Pleks, Desharnais, Ak 46 and Weber, some of which look to be some of the best young talent in the nhl (Price and Subban both at the top in terms of their positions around the league) Not to mention still some young guys who are developing as we speak. Theyve also acquired some young talent through trade like gorges and pouliot who have been solid. Yes they had some failures in the developing some players but every organization does, if you can name me one team who in the past 10 years has every single first round pick playing on their team i’d be really impressed. 

    As for making a move at the deadline its pretty simple, first off with the amount of season ending injuries on D its pretty clear you can’t easily replace the likes of markov and gorges without once again dishing out a ton of prospects and draft picks which according to you is stupid. ( way to contridict yourself in your post!) May as well let the young guys play and see what they can do and so far they’ve been stepping up in a big way. As for deadline deals name me one team since the lockout who has landed the big deal at the deadline and gone on to win the Cup? Thats right not one team who made the big deal has one the cup in the past 5 years, its the small trades and the depth guys who make the difference for cup contending teams. In saying that, I look at our depth right now and besides on D we are pretty solid our bottom 2 lines are Desharnais, pouliot, white and Eller, kostitsyn and moen don’t really see how you add to that. 

    Finally the biggest deal of the day was the Penner deal in which LA gave up a first, tuebert( a high first round pick) and a conditional pick for him. Lets be honest is Dustin Penner really worth giving up all that? So calm yourself and look at the situation the habs are in, they are still in the playoffs with pretty much the same core as last year that made it all the way to the conference finals. Except a the young guys are all a year older with the addition of desharnais and pacioretty and we have Price in nets who can be better than Halak was last year. So tell me why are you so frustrated?

  246. LA Loyalist says:

    I think they know we have to rebuild, but don’t have the balls to come out and say it because we are locked up $ wise.

    My issue is the same as it was when Bob blew it up two years ago: what’s the plan? 

    I don’t see how we can rebuild effectively because we are so unbalanced financially and physically. I think another couple of years of patchwork. Boy is THAT depressing.

    And the bottom line is do you allow the foxes to rebuild the henhouse? They’ve had 7 years. Yes some good things have happened, but this is not a balanced, Montreal Canadiens style team. Maybe we’ll never have exactly that again, but the model isn’t so bad. Skate fast, play hard, counter punch, great special teams, great goaltending and play to your own standard of excellence, not up and down depending if you are on the road in Atlanta or on national Tv against the Leafs… (oops).

    …and so we beat on…



  247. pmaraw says:

    moar wall of text please.

  248. observer says:

    Re:”The Canadiens’ injuries on D – Andrei Markov, Josh Gorges and Jaro Spacek – obliged Gauthier to make acquisitions – James Wisniewski, Paul Mara and Brent Sopel – that left the GM with little cap space or wiggle room to make a major deal tofay”         — SAY WHAT? What left this team in this predicament was years of bungling by Gainey and Gauthier. Had their drafting and producing young players of talent not been so poor that they had to go out and overspend on bad acquisitions like Gomez for years, and free agents like Hamrlick, Laraque, etc. plus trade away so many #1 or #2 future draft picks for Moore, Lang, Schneider, Tanguay(#1 &#2), Wisniewski (UFA 2011), Tinordi (to move up but a couple of notches in Round 1)– just those alone were one #1 pick and six #2 picks the last few years and where you build a team. Plus all the free agents the last few years including Ryder, Streit, the lot 2 years ago and all the 2011 to be free agents right now who Gauthier/Gainey wouldn’t trade away then lose them for nothing on July 1. The absolute terrible drafting since 2003 when these 2 men took over and the many top 3 picks of those men who either never made it or already were traded away is why the Habs today did nothing. Trade deadline deals are only one part of it, if you do everything else wrong you don’t even have a chance to play the game that competant GMs play – bolster your team at the trade deadline – an unheard idea since 2004 in Montreal. Suppose Markov, Gorges and Spacek were not hurt? Habs would have had room to do something? Get real! Blaming inaction today on injuries when the team has no young depth and at entry level salaries because of 2 of the worst GMs this team EVER had at a time the team is making more money than ever before is a slap in the face of real hockey fans in Montreal.

  249. twilighthours says:

    I missed all the (un)festivities today, but now that I’ve read a couple pages of comments, here’s what I’ve got

    1) Tony is back as “antho”.  Oh joy.  Is he also “observer”?  Or is that some other a$$head who reads just like him?

    2) A lot of people wanted to deal AKost for a pick or anything, really.  But why?  All that does is thin us out, and any deal that was available today for him will still be available after the season is over.  Makes no sense to deal AKost unless an equivalent roster player under contract comes back.  

    3) TSN apparently bashing Habs lack of blue-chip prospects, and points to this as the inability to swing a deal.  Misleading.  In addition to apparent blue-chippers Leblanc and Tinordi (and maybe Gallagher), the Habs also have PK Subban, MaxPac, and Weber.  However, these prospects were pressed into active duty this year and have shown to be no longer prospects but legit NHLers.  So what seems to be (according to talking TSN heads) a bare cupboard was, not very long ago, a cupboard stocked with great prospects.

    4) In summary, shut your hole Tony, and please buzz off TSN talking heads.

  250. ManApart says:

    Leblanc and Tinordi are not blue chip prospects. Leblanc should be an NHLer one day, but it’s far from certain he will be an impact player. Tinordi could easily turn out to be another Fischer. MaxPac and Weber are good prospects but not blue chippers. I think Subban can be seen as a blue chipper, but he’s going nowhere. TSN was correct. What surplus of blue chippers do the Habs have to trade with? They are very thin on prospects ready to become stars. Compare them to the Kings and then you’ll see the difference.

  251. Storm Man says:

    Great post and very insightful comments.

  252. sholi2000.com says:

    I’m very happy.  The Canadiens added A fellow Islander, and he’s a good goalie who will help the Dogs.


    They Call Me Shane

  253. TorontoHabsFan says:

    “…when you trade away enigmas”


    Very well said. Remember when many here were moaning about Gauthier not trading for Nathan Horton? Well take away his 5 pts in that 8-6 debacle and he has 35 pts and 47 hits in 59 games. In contrast Andrei has 33 pts and 112 hits in 62 games.

    And most here would gladly be rid of Andrei for a proverbial bag o pucks

  254. Bugs says:

    There’s no Disneyland in Vancouver, baby.

    Ask me, I’d rather be chillin with Minnie on the teacup ride than tryin to tell apart two Swedish bastiches while freezin my azz off in the mountains, knowumsayin?

  255. G-Man says:

    McGuire is a Grade A a**hole whose hate for all things Hab should cost him his radio job here at 990. He’s a blatant hypocrite and deserves nothing but scorn. Ranting at length today about a draft that took place 7.5 years ago that “set the Habs back ten years.” Mildly put, f!ck him and Milbury and PJ Dickwad and all the other analysts paid to spew their garbage on the Habs while licking Burke’s ass.

  256. Bill says:

    I think a lot of the negative venting around here today – and bear in mind I haven’t read much of it – is less a reaction to Gauthier’s inaction (which probably came down to there being no really appealing deal out there) and more a response to the mediocrity that has defined the Habs for a couple of decades.

    I hope you will accept this as an observation and not plain bitching, but objectively … this is a team that has had the same glaring and, yes, fatal weaknesses for three-score years: lack of a star scorer and general dwarfism.

    You can make excuses for one year or two years … but after this long, frustration is bound to set in. If other teams can make major deals that address team needs, or consistently make astute drafting choices, or show an ability to assess which players fit and which do not, or just generally build and maintain a good team … well it would be nice if our team could do the same.

    Let’s hope they’re on the right track!

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  257. JD_ says:

    As expected, not much happened today. Marginal playerfest. Most of the announcements weren’t even worth the price of the electrons that were displaced to make them.

    NHL blockbusters in the cap era are goin’ the way of the Blockbuster movie rental chain in the era of the download, from a valuation of US$8.4B to Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

    McGuire’s ok. He’s just doin’ showbiz. No need to take him too seriously.

    Laps and Higgs are both good guys but otherwise forgettable NHLers. I presume Laps has already sent his agent a nice bouquet of flowers with a tasteful thank-you note. He goes from limited 4th line duty in Anaheim to limited 4th line duty in ‘Couver, which is a better place to do that limited 4th line duty thing. As for Higgs, the only thing he has goin’ for him is if scenarios, none of which will come to fruition. The treasure hunt ended years ago and he’s still lookin’ for his game. There’s a reason guys like Higgy are traded more often than their Upper Deck version at a collector’s convention.

    Last thing I wanted to see was a high-draft choice, prospect, or young roster player out the door. There just wasn’t anythin’ on the market that could justify it and the Habs are not Stanley favourites. Moreover, count me among those who accept that when you trade away enigmas, you get question marks in return. Not interested in any experiments at this stage of the season.

    The self-loathin’ thing today on HI/O was kinda lame. My kingdom for someone who can bitch with a bit of creativity and a touch of mirth, cause this other stuff is hardly groundbreakin’ and quite repetitive. Try to stand out a bit. Aim for the stars. Otherwise, like Bugsy said the other day, sometimes it’s embarrassin’ to be seen around here.

  258. Omit says:


    Nice post, but a waste on this character.  One or two sentences, tops, is all he deserves.  Logic and reason need not apply.

  259. Bugs says:

    If a cult goes to the trouble of buildin a teacup ride, I mean, hey, I’ll at least give Snow White the courtesy of listenin to what she has to say. Nice hot day, what the hell, maybe even have a glass of koolaid.

  260. HabFanSince72 says:

    “Never say no to Swedish twins.”

    – Gore Vidal


  261. punkster says:

    Hmmm, while I doubt the origins of the quote I love the thought 😉


  262. JD_ says:

    I dunno.

    Took the fam to Disneyworld in November and couldn’t help but notice the creepy, culty undercurrent.

    Somethin’ tells me you so much as have an impure thought involvin’ the sexy rat whilst on the hallowed grounds and, before you know it, a couple of humourless, albeit highly efficient drone types will have blitzkrieged you Space Mountain-style, whatever the hell that means.

  263. Bugs says:

    Wasn’t Gore Vidal…

    Eww! Gross, Sincey!

  264. RetroMikey says:

    Ok, I will rephrase my sentence saskfroshfan.

    Gauthier’s speech sure  sounds like the same one Gainey made several years ago at trade deadline.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  265. Bill J says:

    While it did bother me, yours was just read by me at the wrong time I guess.

    I apologize for taking it personal, and or being personal.

    Even though I am glad the team didn’t mortgage the future, I too am a bit frustrated.  But not at management, more at the situation involving injuries that have caused this team to be much like last year a good team being held back.

    Thanks for a well thought out reply, it allowed me to step back and offer you the same.

  266. saskhabfan says:

    Like either of those two morons could even get admitted in klown khauledge.

  267. saskhabfan says:

    Just like you say every year that the leafs will be ahead of the habs but it never happens. Or some player you don’t like is a bust,but turns out to be a good player. BTW gainey wasn’t our g.m. last year,if you actually knew anything about hockey you would have known that. But once again you make yourself look like the retrodouche that you are.

  268. Jonson says:

    are you directing this at me? if you are: first of all , you say ive got it all figured out? why cause i said this team is the same team as last year? of they havent made that many significant moves under PG? is that really far fetched?  second, i should apply for the GM position? just because he knows more than i do doesnt mean there isnt someone else out there who does.and if you have a problem with people voicing their opinion than STOP COMING ON THIS SITE.

  269. Bill J says:

    Nah I have a problem with idiots who use words like “Mark my words” as if they DO have it all figured out.

    Perhaps YOU should stop coming to this site, if you do not want to be called out for your idiocies.


  270. Bill J says:

    Wow congrats you’ve got it all figured out. 

    Go apply for the GM position…. “What’s that you’re not qualified and would never get the job ?”

    How could the Molson’s be so dumb as to support a management team that has more hockey knowledge in their pinky finger then you will ever hope to have over the course of your lifetime.


  271. Jonson says:

    lol dude come on, i know you like to defend gomez but seriously. maybe in his prime. if you are watching the same games im watching then you must see how bad he is playing. there is not one aspect of the game that he is playing well in. and isnt skating, he cant shoot, he cant pass, he cant play defense, he cant win faceoffs. his linemats have struggled all year whoever it may be. we arent all talking for nothing the guy is playing bad, he seems to gets worse every game. and i was a big fan of last year, i mean all year. the points werent there but he definately made an impact every game with his speed and vision. Its not there at all this year. I Hope he plays a lot better in the playoffs but he i doubt it cause he hasnt shown any signs of being good all year. Atleast with Kovy you seen how good he can be from time to time ( and i hated the guy) Gomez has shown nothing.

  272. TripleX says:

    Offered early admission to two Universities back in January, hope to hear from Cornell soon.

  273. bleublancrouge says:

    Gomez was a means to an end id take that contract if it came with gionta and cammy again and again yes hes having the worsed season of his career but guess what we are still ahead of pace from last year and should we recap a deep playoff run the same season he put this core together? riiiiight HALAK love the guy but i am pretty sure he didnt score 13 goals in 19 playoff games… that guy is here because he WANTED to play with players like gomez… I’m sure you guys were probably booing carey in the first preseason game…

  274. Bill J says:

    They didn’t only trade Desjardins in that deal

    John Leclair was also shipped away….

    THAT is what is called mortgaging the future… 

    For all the credit Serge Savard gets for building the last Cup champion… He does not get enough flack for setting this team back 10+ years by nullifying the future.

  275. Jonson says:

    Montreal didnt improve from last season. they were just as good last year theyvjust had way more injuries. if they were healthy all of year last year they prob would have won the divison. same as this year, if they were healthy all year this year they would win the divison. they are a good team for sure. but please dont defend Guathier he hasnt done anything really good for this team. and JM is one of the worst coaches ive seen in montreal. next to Carboneau. what he got the wiz…worst dman since MAB. Mara and Sopel. both 6th dman. lets hope sopel plays well but lets not get a head of our selves. we could have used a big body like Arnott or hell even bring back higgins.  Management will be gone soon mark my word.

  276. Mark C says:

    Because Conklin is one game short of having the worst SV% in the NHL?

  277. Mattyleg says:

    Riiiiight! Because size makes a big difference when you’re shooting on an empty net!

    It’s so clear to me now! You’re so insightful.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  278. Da Hema says:

    First, replace Gauthier with whom? Is there a more competent general manager somewhere waiting to be signed?

    Second, who is claiming the Habs are “one piece away next season?” Surely no one is suggesting the team is “one piece away” from a Stanley Cup. Find someone who claims that, and you will have found the dumbest person in the universe.

    Third, do you consider it normal business practice to fire people who exceed their predecessors? If you compare the record of the Habs today to where they were last year (and they have lost two starting defencemen, among some other notable injuries), they have improved.

    Just saying….

  279. Chuck says:

    And ‘high stick’ him on the way through.  😉

  280. ManApart says:

    Ya, we know where we’re headed. Nowhere near the Cup.

  281. JohnBellyful says:

    Ian, I grant you Gomez has his strengths – such as knowing what to do to get the puck out of his own end without panicking and carrying it into the offensive zone, and making one, maybe two really nice setups in a match – but I shake my head every time I hear he will be fine come the playoffs. Exactly what kind of contract does this fellow have? Is he contractually barred from turning it up a notch a bit more during the regular season? Because the impression is left that all the other players are expected to shoulder more of the load in the lead-up to the playoffs — leaving them with what level of energy when the real grind begins? — so that Gomez can shine in April, and, the hockey gods willing, May.

  282. puck face says:

    i think we all know that it was a huge mistake to take on that contract. what’s your point ? Gainey was stupid therefore other g.m’s will be just as stupid and take the contract of our hands ?

  283. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    And then we went on to the Eastern Conference Final.  So I’m guessing you mean this as a positive thing?

  284. Storm Man says:

    If you aren’t a bulldogs fan, you ain’t a Habs fan either? How does that work as the Habs farm team has been in Hamilton for how long? Funny post.

  285. TomNickle says:

    I think you should have checked up on their stats this year before calling me crazy.

    Kostitsyn has 15 goals and 18 assists.  5 Powerplay goals, 112 hits and 153 shots on goal.

    Penner has 21 goals and 19 assists.  6 Powerplay goals, 63 hits and 137 shots on goal.

    And I’m quite glad you reference powerplay goals.  Because Penner has that monumental one goal lead in that category I decided to take a look at something.  Penner averages 2:59 in PP TOI/Game.  Kostitsyn?  2:09.

    Penner averages almost a full minute more per game on the Powerplay and has one more goal to show for it.  And for the extra 30 pounds and 3 inches of height he carries he has 49 less bodychecks.

    As for the playoffs.  When was the last time Dustin Penner had a hat-trick in a playoff game?

    Almost forgot, Penner has 8 points in 21 playoff games.  Kostitsyn has 17 points in 35 playoff games.

    There goes that argument.

  286. LA Loyalist says:

    Hey, we fell for it last year. Why take a chance?

  287. LA Loyalist says:

    Gionta can just zip between his legs.

  288. Bugs says:

    Not if Gomie never scores another goal and V4 pops in 250 before the end of their contracts, you wouldn’t.

  289. Habnofear says:

    No,doink is the sound our tiny forwards make on a break away when their goalie’s been pulled…..

  290. SeriousFan09 says:

    I screwed up on writing actual salary V cap hit, my mistake.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  291. gumper says:

    Tied with four other teams for 13th in the league. First in their division however.

  292. GrimJim says:

    Gainey stepped down Feb 8, 2010 but last year’s trade deadline was March 3, 2010, so Gainey didn’t make any trade deadline speech last year. Seriously, learn to research (You too RetroMikey) or you will crash and burn in university…

  293. lefreak says:

    it is painfully obvious as to why you aren’t an NHL gm (not meant to offend you at all either, but you are seriously talking crazy here.)


    For fun though, he still has more PPG (albeit barely) than AK with the lack of what you call an “NHL caliber shot”. After this he absolutely blows AK way in every other aspect of the game. A player like Penner come playoff time is way more valuable than a player like big tits. Really what good has AK been to us in the post season?;)


    If anyone, and i mean anyone offered something like Lombardi did to Edmonton for AK, Gauthier would have done it. I don’t have to put myself in his head to know this, as every GM in the NHL would make that deal in a heartbeat…because it would be robbery and a ridiculously stupid offer.


  294. Da Hema says:

    That may be true, in the longer-term. However I believe you were wrong when you wrote the “Habs have opportunities to dump Gomez in his last two years to a team looking to meet the cap floor as his cap hit goes to 5.5, than 4.5 in his final two contract years….” His cap hit will be $7.435 million for the duration of his contract, even to another team. In other words, please demonstrate you are right about this original claim, or show that light_n_tasty and I are wrong about Gomez’s cap hit.

  295. Timo says:

    Becuase it isn’t obvious at this point?

  296. Mattyleg says:

    And you were crying and saying everyone should be lynched when we dealt Boucher…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  297. RetroMikey says:

    Not too worry, the team in Hamilton may not have the skill and talent but they are big, have grit and character and love playing under Randy Cunneyworth as their coach and are in 1st place!

    Do our Habs have the size, grit and character and love playing under Jacques Martin as coach?

    I think everyone knows the answer including you.

    Besides, if you aren’t a Bulldogs fan, you ain;t a Habs fan either. 


    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  298. Mattyleg says:


    Missed the net again, Habno.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  299. Drive_For_25 says:

    Take off the blinders man.  As much as you hate Gomez, he’s been very good since his horrible streak of games after the debacle in Boston.  Best player on the ice in a couple games of late as well.  Why else would Gionta say something like that?


    GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  300. lefreak says:

    serious question here Tom. How many Oilers games have you watched lately? The stats between both guys might be similar in terms of point production…but Penner is a much more well rounded player vs the Belarussian that likes to disappear most of the time like he attended a hockey camp run by Kovalev and Malakhov.

  301. Habfan4lfe says:

    Got to really wonder about this group…

    “they are a difficult to team to play against because of their speed and playing system.”

    Huh, they aren’t exactly excelling in any place other than in nets and their win loss ratio isn’t something to walk around and be proud about. Pretty much tells me that PG is pretty clueless and still loving JM.

  302. TripleX says:

    The Gomez contract was just as bad on July 1, 2009.  Explain how the geniuses running the Canadiens failed to see it?  Us dummies saw it from 8 million dollars away.

    So I am confused.  Did Gainey make a great deal on July 1, 2009 by taking on one of the five worst contracts in hockey plus giving up a young Dman?  Or was the hockey world laughing at him?

  303. ed lopaz says:

    AK 46 has no clue how to play the game.

    Other GM’s know he has great talent., but yet,

    He’s not worth much at all around the league.

    Nobody wants him.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  304. TomNickle says:

    I watch a lot of there games.  He’s slow, doesn’t have an NHL quality shot and is more inconsistent than Kostitsyn.  That’s just my take.  

    It would be a cold day in hell before I gave up the kind of package Dean Lombardi did today, but if I had to do it and had a choice between giving it up for Penner or Kostitsyn, it would be Kostitsyn based both on who they both are as players today and what potential they have moving forward.

  305. GrimJim says:

    Not that anyone is going to bother but if you want an official copy of the CBA here is the link


    Then click on the “download 2005 CBA (in PDF format)” on the second line. Give it a minute it’s only 472 pages

    BTW you’re right on the qualifying offers (Sec 10.2 (a) (ii)) and the RFA compensation (Sec 10.4)

  306. Da Hema says:

    The Montreal Canadiens are damned if they do, damned if they don’t with respect to Kostitsyn. Frankly the team will not get much for him by way of trade, yet by trading him we lose a forward with no comparable replacement within the organisation. On the other hand, if we keep him this year then the team will either have to sign him or let him walk. If Kostitsyn signs elsewhere next summer, at least the Habs have an opportunity via free agency to replace him given his somewhat generous contract.

    I am also not certain how the team can get “consistency” out of him. When he is not in his medically-induced fog (which is not his fault), he can be a top six forward. The problem is he is not a consistent enough scorer to really be on the top two lines. Yet he really cannot play on the third and fourth lines because his style is not suited to those roles.

    To summarse: damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

  307. JavierSil says:

    My family is happy with what the Habs did today.

    They don’t have much to trade and they can’t afford to make a lot of changes due to injuries.

    But changes better be coming in the off-season.

  308. Storm Man says:

    No problem, I forgot who the master of brown nosing was on here. Btw it was very funny Boone asking for the dealer you use.

  309. TripleX says:

    Ha!  Was thinking exactly the same thing.  The face has changed but the regime has not.  Kind of like North Korea.  :)

  310. avatar_58 says:

    Explain why they couldn’t pickup Conklin and demote Auld?

  311. TomNickle says:

    I think you and I both know who the more physical presence is on the ice.  It might be harder for a goalie to look over Penner’s shoulders than Kostitsyns but if I’m an NHL defenseman I’m a lot more worried about Kostitsyn than I am Penner.

    Slow, soft and an AHL shot.

    If the entire game were played on the boards he’d be worth what was paid for him today.

  312. Habnofear says:

    Like I stated last night ,the best thing about today is it is Gauthier and Martins last Coffin nail and then bon nuit fk’ers….

  313. TomNickle says:

    I can see that Tim thanks.

    Now if you’re done brown nosing the rest of us our discussing hockey.


  314. CanadienBoy says:

    The good think we still have Weber and PK ,the last time Habs had two good off…young D they traded one his name Dejardins because we wanted more scoring

  315. Storm Man says:

    Tom he is talking about AK46 not Penner btw.

  316. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    As Robert (SeriousFan09) mentioned, it was probably to replace Robert Mayer of the AHL, who’s been pretty brutal this season. No problem with adding depth to AHL.

  317. Da Hema says:

    But how is this relevant to the Montreal Canadiens, who hardly have to be concerned about cap floors? What matters for the Montreal Canadiens is the contract’s impact on that team’s ceiling.

  318. RetroMikey says:

    Gauthier’s speech sure  sounds like the same one Gainey made last year at trade deadline.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  319. Bogie Man says:

    19 games left and 38 points to be had. If we win 20% of these games using the last 10 as an example then we will earn roughly 8 points total. 73+8 are 81 points. Using last year a guide 81 points would leave somewhere between 10 and 11th spot in the eastern conference.

  320. joeybarrie says:

    If another team offere AK 3.5 million wouldnt we get 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks???? Better than what anyone got today.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  321. Ian Cobb says:

    No moves were needed today, we know where we are headed this year and next.

    We still have a much better team than last year. The kids have much more experience at this level now.

    Gomez will be fine come play off time. Some do not appreciate what he brings to the table. Ask the players that plays against him about how good he is. His puck control, speed and how he can read the ice, especially in the fire of the play offs, scares them all to hell.

    We will be in the third round of this years play offs, and yes, every game will be by 1 goal difference. Sitting on the edge of our seats every shift is the only way to go.

    So hang onto your hats boys and girls, and enjoy the ride.

  322. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’d rather deal with Gomez’s bad contract for three more seasons than Lecavalier’s for 9.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  323. Harry says:

    Good that A.K. is not traded & he is still one of the teams better scorers. He never clicked as a winger with Gomez, and why they were reunited when it did not work earlier in the season shows a problem with the team’s coaches…and more so, why did they continue with them together for so many games? The paring did nothing for the team, AK or Gomez. Nor did Gionta work with the change from Gomez, and Gionta’s stats before and since are not much more impressive than AK’s

    AK & Eller have something, and AK is also good on power plays..AK may need some stroking,but he supremely talented…that he was not traded may be the best thing that happened to the Habs in this year’s trade deadline

  324. Storm Man says:

    LMAO….. Post of the year so far.

  325. Trisomy 21 says:

    Yeah but AK hits like a girl. of the 112 i’m sure only half of them were good hits that actually help the play.

    Penner also has cup experience, and is Canadian, which like it or not, can be a bonus for some GMs. AK is a shade of Kovalev who only shows up half the time… That being said Penner is lazy so that’s a moot point

  326. puck face says:

    there you go , a man who makes sense. l

  327. SeriousFan09 says:

    Any team that’s low on cash but would like to make the cap floor (Whatever that will be) in coming years without actually paying out that much money. Gomez in year 4 is paid 5.5, but his cap hit remains 7.4 million, therefore you save 1.9 million to meet the floor that year and 2.9 the next year when his salary is at 4.5 million.

    NYI are using buyouts right now to stick to the cap floor, another team could be in a position like that in 2012-13 or 13-14.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  328. TomNickle says:

    My pharmacist.  Would you have given up a 1st, Colten Teubert and a pick that could be a 2nd rounder for Penner?

    Kostitsyn is about to have his 3rd 20 goal season in four NHL years.  He’s gifted offensively although inconsistent.  Not unlike Penner.

    Penner brings more size, less jam, less finish and less skill.

    If you think Penner’s more valuable Boone more power to ya.

  329. Mike Boone says:

    A first-round and a prospect for AK46? Dude, who is your dealer? We have to hook up.

  330. slapshot777 says:

    True, and you know what they say, sometimes the deal you don’t make is better than the one you did.



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  331. Da Hema says:

    Then light’n tasty is correct Serious. My understanding, contrary to what you originally posted, was that Gomez’s actual cap hit is something like $7.435 million for the duration of his contract. Who cares, therefore, what he will actually be paid over the next few years?

  332. HabFanSince72 says:

    Wait a minute, grit and sandpaper are different things?

    I thought they were the same.

  333. TomNickle says:

    Give them a chance with Kostitsyn the rest of the way.  If he and Eller continue to click today could be a big win instead of a missed opportunity.

  334. slapshot777 says:

    True, But I was just looking at the draft pick aspect.



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  335. TomNickle says:

    I’m not certain about RFA compensation because it so rarely happens I haven’t bothered to study it.

  336. JIMVINNY says:

    lol at stupid-head Mcguire saying all our best players are older.  Like who?  Pleks?  Price?  Subban?  Cammaleri? Pacioretty?  Our Defense is a little older, but only because of injuries.  Our forwards are relatively young, for the most part.

  337. CanadienBoy says:

    They miss that boat WAY back with Sourays AK still give us some return

  338. savethepuck says:

    And who relaces him for the next 19 games and the playoffs. Why would people think for any reason that this team was a seller? 

  339. slapshot777 says:

    Question Tom, If someone was to sign AK46 in the offseason and where AK46 is a RFA and he would be entitled to a 10% increase making it around $3.7 mil wouldn’t make for a 1st and a 3rd anyway?



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  340. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    I am fine with what the Habs did today.

    They don’t have much to trade and they certainly can’t afford to make a lot of changes due to injuries.

    But changes better be coming in the off-season.

    That’s all I am going to say. Lots of time left till off-season.

    So, let’s enjoy the last couple of games and hopefully**, our Habs can make a noise in the playoffs.

    As Mr. Stubbs said, this team only goes as far as the goaltender takes it.

  341. TomNickle says:

    No, but you try to make it.  The Oilers aren’t tanking, they’re just bad.  The Senators are tanking now that they’ve figured out how bad they are though.

  342. light_n_tasty says:

    Gomez’ cap hit remains at approx $7.4 million throughout his contract.

  343. TomNickle says:

    The short answer is anyone.  This team is better with him producing but the lulls in between his good nights and bad nights make it hard to ignore the returns that were offered up in the last 2 months for players like him.

  344. TomNickle says:

    Yeah but if Penner fetches Teubert, a 1st and maybe a 2nd, Kostitsyn would gather at least a player like Teubert and a 1st.

  345. FormalWare says:

    Fantastic! And your licensing fee on that there Tee-Em would be…?

  346. SeriousFan09 says:

    His actual salary is less though in the final 2 years though, his cap hit remains at that level because he was getting more in the earlier years of his contract.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  347. Bugs says:

    Proppie, c’mon…

    Surely you can defend better than that. I woulda said “Pigo was totally confident with his defensive corps with the addition of Sopie, and the return of Cammy can be considered like a deadline acquisition and this was the club that got to the Conf finals and he was satisfied that they could repeat that exploit this year.”

    That’s what I woulda said. It’s strong, it’s simple, and it can hold up. Heck, maybe one day, I’d believe it meself.

  348. punkster says:



  349. 1010 says:

    And Boone capped this off as a non-eventful day. But wait… wham, PG pulls the pin and the boys are off and running.

    GO HABS…

  350. TomNickle says:

    False.  They have a ton of prospects and some roster players who other teams would like to add despite what that midget Ferraro says.

  351. HardHabits says:

    Senators and Oilers battling it out for the best picks next draft.

    I’d love to see the Devils just miss the play-offs at 9th. Anybody think that’s better than the draft lotery?

  352. CanadienBoy says:

    AK finally getting going may be Eller the answer  he should get 20 g

  353. Propwash says:

    The Habs spent all they had to rebuild the defence corp, it’s not like they had a choice in the matter.

  354. Bugs says:

    You can call it “ConformalWare.”

    (Peter Griffin giggle)

  355. Bogie Man says:

    Such a good response you had to repeat it. Injuries are a factor every game in the NHL. The team needs to adjust to this and have some depth to compensate. Currently we do not and probaly never will or atleast not this year.

  356. savethepuck says:

    I guess you have no idea how many injuries we had over that period of time

  357. savethepuck says:

    I guess you have no idea how many injuries we had over that period of time

  358. ed lopaz says:

    Gainey actually agreed to trade Price and Plekanec and Subban for Vinny.

    It was the crazy Tampa owners that ruined that deal.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  359. FormalWare says:

    Ah, the sound of crickets chirping! Hmm–inspires me to invent a Web 2.0 (non-)communications site…

  360. TomNickle says:

    I’m on the fence about today. 

    I will say this though.  Andrei Kostitsyn had better be in the long term plans of the team and they better do everything in their power to get consistency out of him going forward.

    Also, if Andrei doesn’t realize consistency in his remaining time with the Habs.  Today will go down as a massive missed opportunity when you consider what the market was for assets of his production level.

    A 1st rounder and a prospect would have been the return for a player of his caliber today.  I don’t know if I could have turned that down.

  361. savethepuck says:

    I guess you have no idea how many injuries we had over that period of time

  362. Mattyleg says:

    Hmmm… see, this is what happens when people get a bee in their bonnet and just repeat what everyone else says without the facts bothering them or getting in their way.

    AK, at 112, has 19 more hits than Moen, our so-called gritty grinder.

    Despite having 4 inches and about 25 lbs on AK, Penner has 63 hits, and is a massive pussy that doesn’t use his size properly.

    So for someone who can’t play a ‘big’ style, AK is doing a damn sight better than Pennie.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  363. SeriousFan09 says:

    At one point, HH’s Optimist and Pessimist moods will fracture into full split personality and he will begin replying to his own posts and disagree with himself.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  364. ZepFan2 says:

    Middling…middle Earth…Hobbits.


    ———————————————————————— “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.” ~Serge Savard~

  365. TripleX says:

    Montreal is pretty much guaranteed two home playoff games at the very least.  Why would they make any moves?  Money in the bank and a job well done by JM, PG and BG.   I expect they will all get big bonus payments.

  366. LA Loyalist says:

    Gionta looks up to Gomez….

  367. Da Hema says:

    Better to write HH has a tripartite personality. His post above is neither optimistic nor pessimistic but rather a kind of subdued realism.

  368. Bogie Man says:

    This really sucks. We are currently not a team that will make the play offs even. In the last 10 games we have won 2. If we only win 20% of the remaining games we will be on the outside looking in. We needed a top 6 forward who is bigger than what we have now and more consitent than AK46. We need a back up goalie who we can rely on, contrary to some Auld is not it in my opinion. This lack of ability to make a deal does not make any sense. Sure we do not have alot of assets to use as leverage but we have some. We have loads of defense that could have been used as bait for a forward. Does the team mangement want to go far into the palyoffs? We will not the way we are. I have been a habs fan for a long time but I am discouraged time and time again when the team management cannot land a big impact player. It is unbelivable really, we are the most storied team in the NHL with a huge fan base world wide. You would think this would be the goal of most players to play for such a team!

  369. HabFanSince72 says:

    I still wish we could have traded for Jon Nasty Mirasty, just to play him on March 8.

    Just look him up on youtube and you’ll know what I mean.


  370. andrewberkshire says:

    Gomez is the better deal simply on contract length.

  371. TripleX says:

    Gionta says Gomez has been playing great going down the stretch.


    Speaking of overpaid players.  Vincent Lecavalier has quietly been turning it on lately.  For the month of Feb., he has 7 goals and 6 assists for 13pts. in 11 games.  Still think Gomez is the better deal?

  372. puck face says:

    Sanford is better than AUld , good move.

  373. McManager says:

    I don’t think HH’s point was about who fits with what team. He’s merely saying that Penner’s a player with similar stats and he was traded for essentially 2 first rounders and a possible 2rd? It’s a little silly to think that nobody would offer a 1st for Kosititsyn, but they would for Fisher, Penner and Versteeg? 

  374. Former Jets Fan says:

    I’m with you.  In fact he’s worth more than a first.  If PG qualifies him, and why wouldn’t he, and AK goes elsewhere, the return is AT LEAST a 1st and a 3rd – just like Halak was.

  375. HardHabits says:

    People. We are Habs fans. The middlingest team in the NHL. Get used to it.

  376. S_Dot says:

    He turned into Mara and a depth goaltender, gives us the flexibility to call up Sanford if we need to make a change at backup G, not a bad move as Festerling is so far down our D Depth Chart anyway

  377. Mikey_39 says:

    I’m not surprised we didn’t get a top 6 forward.  There wasn’t much available, because there are so many teams that are still in the race for a playoff spot.  It’s better we held off, than overpay for a top 6.  I think we have guys that have to potential to do the job on the team (Pouliot or AK), we just need someone to step up…

    I am a little irritated that we couldn’t land a guy like Neil or Konopka, guys who can play hockey as well as protect our other players.   I can deal with not winning the stanley cup this year, but I can’t bear to watch our team get beat up like they did with Boston and Philly.


  378. S_Dot says:

    Completely disagree, Penner fits much better…Kings like to hold the puck down low, no fancy stuff, hold possession work the boards and get good shots from in front of the net or score of a transition off their D…Penner fits the bill for that first part, AK doesn’t fit in with their gritty “big” style

  379. slapshot777 says:

    PG holding his conference now on RDS.



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  380. gumper says:

    Not going to sit and wring  my hands or anything, but really, Lapierre turns into a 26-year-old goalie who will never see another NHL game? What do we even need this guy for? Wouldn’t it be better to have Festerling, who could at least still be considered a prospect?

  381. HardHabits says:

    For all those who think AK wasn’t worth a 1st pick

    Andrei Kostitsyn 307GP 82G 92A 174pts .57 pts per game

    Dustin Penner 405GP 126G 112A 238pts .59pts per game

    And AK would fit better with the Kings than Penner

  382. SeriousFan09 says:

    Lecavalier is signed until 2020 and his salary never goes below 7.7 million. Habs have opportunities to dump Gomez in his last two years to a team looking to meet the cap floor as his cap hit goes to 5.5, than 4.5 in his final two contract years, a contract that ends 6 years sooner than Lecavalier’s deal. Lecavalier has had multiple injuries in the last few years and that is not a good indication for a skill player who’s only 30.

    And Gomez didn’t have an asking price that included names like Plekanec, Price or Subban.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  383. joeybarrie says:

    I think that a team that stifles St Louis and Stamkos will easily beat Tampa. I think they are both overpaid (Gomez and Lecavalier). I think that GOMEZ is having a terrible season and he has 6 less points than Lacavalier…

    I think we tried to get Lecavalier and couldn’t. Thats how it goes. Can’t compare every salary on the Habs to every player in the league.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  384. Bugs says:

    Vinny has twice Gomie’s goals. That’s the NOW.

    The “future” ain’t payin the rent.

  385. HardHabits says:

    That’s not selling. That’s building. Something the Habs seem to not be very interested in.

  386. puck face says:

    haha ! a lot of people acting like spoiled kids who didn’t get a gift on xmas day. they say Hab fans know their hockey but i wonder sometimes. today was a good day , we are not one player away and we didn’t give away our future for a rental. good job P.G. “get rid of Gomez , package him with A.K and get a top six ” hahahahahahaha as if other g.m’s would be so stupid. also that Gomez contract is top 5 worst in hockey history , can you imagine how hard it must be to keep a straight face and convince another g.m to take it ? BTW all this would be obviuos to a 5 year old child but somehow the “best fans in hockey” don’t get it.

  387. Bugs says:

    You’re fine with the Festerline trade? You’re FINE with it??!

    Uh…ok, then.

  388. S_Dot says:

    Hits have nothing to do with using the body properly…AK is physical yes, but he cannot cycle and cannot keep the puck down behind the opposing net, or does he go to the net to set screens, Penner does both of those things better than AK…I said nothing about hits, Penner is just purely a bigger body that goes to the net and is able to keep it down low which fits in better with the Kings style…

  389. G-Man says:

    So, like, ho-hum. Another dull day in the life of Goatier, the man damned if he trades or not. He admirably filled the holes left vacant by the absence of Markov, Gorges and Spacek.

    So, barring more injuries (yeah, right), the Habs are set for their playoff run. Believe it or not, the Habs will most likely be there. Do I expect them to better last year’s run? Not a snowflake’s chance in the Mojave. Last year was the Habs anomaly year, where hope were raised. The team this season has displayed more grit, but not enough sandpaper to contend. 2 home playoff dates is what to expect this season. Anything beyond would be gravy.

  390. Storm Man says:

    No kidding who would want Vinny and his contract? Oh that is right people that drink Kool-Aid.

  391. OneTimer says:

    haha, zing

  392. OneTimer says:

    I guess all middling teams make it to the ECF the first year after a massive overhaul.

  393. SeriousFan09 says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn is a European Enigma, Dustin Penner is a Good Canadian Boy.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  394. LA Loyalist says:

    Devils have only eastern conference games left, only one against us, but they will be king-makers, heart-breakers, potato-bakers if they keep up anything close to the tear they’ve been on since Jacques Lemaire took over. 

    I think it will be quite entertaining to watch the squirming.

  395. joeybarrie says:

    I thought per the CBA, they have to offer him 100% of his current salary. 110% is he is under 600K, and 105% if he is under 1 million.

    I also though they had to give a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for a RFA over 3 million.

    So I think there is alot of misinformation out there. Its tough to read but I got this at:


    Doesn’t make it true though.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  396. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because if they want to move Gomez out, it’s possible to do so in the last couple of years. Lecavalier’s contract is just a flat-out nightmare you can’t get rid of, he’s going to cost them players as the years go b/c of his cap hit and no one is going to want to get tied to a superstar contract that lasts for 9 more years for a guy who can’t play to that level .


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  397. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sorry Gauthier didn’t make any big moves to help out Hamilton, we all know how much that team means to you.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  398. CanadienBoy says:

    On the bright site Flyers pick up Sestito 6’5″ ,228lbs UFC coming to Philadelphia

  399. Storm Man says:

    It is a very safe play by PG. He is going to roll the dice with what he has, and will see what needs to be done over the summer.

  400. habmanj says:

    Oilers and Habs are in a different boat – Habs wanted scoring back, not picks or prospects.  Are you saying we should be in a rebuild mode?

  401. LA Loyalist says:

    I’ll stand you a bottle of 18 year old McCallan (not that rotten 12 year old stuff) if you are right, sir.

    I admire your spunk, even though I can’t share it. 

    I guess it’s possible Gomez will find the road to Damascus, or maybe even the road to the net.

    it’s a nice thought on a discouraging day, not that I was expecting much. 


  402. Storm Man says:

    you can only make deals if other teams want what you have on the table.

  403. GrimJim says:

    just to be pedantic, we didn’t “deal” boucher, he walked…

  404. ManApart says:

    i wish you were right, but if they make the playoffs (which is pretty certain) I feel Gauthier will weasel his way into another season. Even if they get knocked out in the first round by Boston or something, he’ll get another because all the usual excuse makers will claim every excuse in the book, and proclaim the Habs one piece away next season.

  405. punkster says:

    If they gain admittance.


  406. CanadienBoy says:

    The ref will call him for high sticking

  407. Da Hema says:

    28 February 2011: 33-23-7 (73 points)

    28 February 2010: 29-28-6 (64 points)

    “Montreal didn’t improve from last season?” That’s nine-points of improvement. What other measure is there but the team’s record?

  408. Jonson says:

    i wasnt referring to the points. i meant the team and its players.  i like this team, im saying if we were healthy both years we would pretty much have the same result, which would be really good.

  409. Jonson says:

    lol calm down buddy. are you telling me that they will be there long??? i mean you dont have to be inside hockey to see these things coming. as long as you follow sports and a team, you are somewhat aware of whats going on. i mean was it a suprise to see carbo go? no it wasnt. was it a suprise to see gainey step down.. no it wasnt.  was it a surprise to see maclean get fired in NJ… no it wasnt.  these things happen, maybe that statement was  a little bold, but no need to take it so personal.  its just a matter of time before they change the management thats all im saying. if you feel like you need to get offensive than i guess its your character. calling someone an idiot doesnt say much about you.

  410. Trisomy 21 says:

    YEAH!! you big stupid heads!

    coming from the one who won the goddamn Nobel prize, I’m sure. (not an invite for you to list your life accomplishments)

    just as funny is all the people below who are acting like they aren’t part of the group of habs fans he’s brought up, and point there fingers at other people here.

    We’re all armchair GMs, that’s the fun in hockey, if you are going to try to pretend that you don’t judge any transaction made, or think out loud what you’d like to see happen to the team, you’re not only a hypocrite you’re full of sh!*

  411. punkster says:

    What are the Leafs, Alex?


  412. Flabadagub says:

    Soiled… so vivid. Very nice. Thank you, eh.

  413. blueline says:

    I agree with you about last minute trading seemingly for its own sake.  It can often be counter-productive in the long term. And yes, a consistently successful team would be great.

    However, you need to define successful. Do you mean a club that consistently performs at or just above .500 and more times than not bows out in the first or second rounds after scraping into the playoffs? Or do you mean a club that would consistently challenge for the top three or four spots in their conference? The former will always remain a Cup long-shot while the latter will always be considered a legitimate Cup contender.

    The problem for owners of a team like the Habs (or even the Leafs for that matter) is that the fans in their cities will fill the arenas no matter how poorly the team performs. If the money flows in from the gate and concessions no matter what, how does that provide any incentive to “go the extra mile” to achieve consistent success?

    Yet some clubs have managed to achieve a ‘contender’ status for extended periods. Detroit and Vancouver are probably the most consistent in that category of late. It boils down to proactive owners and solid managing.

    If the Habs want to achieve consistent success, follow in the traditions of their predecessors and the new owner has the desire to do it, then time this coming summer should definitely be set aside for a complete personnel and organisation evaluation from top to bottom, to see how they can return to a sustainable contender status.

    It won’t be an easy task.   

  414. Antho says:

    excuse me…it should have said executive

  415. Bill J says:

    I will take that as a snide comeback, and I ask you now:

    Why are you surprised the Team Captain spoke in the positive of his friend & teammate.

    Is it that surprising ?  No…

  416. Bugs says:

    They don’t teach y’all CIVILITY in Svenska, Mr. Four Norsemen of the Apostrophe, or whatever???

  417. Mr. Habs says:

    No, I have no idea about Hockey!

  418. samTHEman says:

    probably came out of his mouth after finishing a fat doobie with gomez and price after practice

  419. Da Hema says:

    Wouldn’t it be preferable if some players were to reciprocate that respect by playing to their potential rather than treating the organisation like it were a country club?

  420. saskhabfan says:

    RM is manaparts “right hand man” for their dutch rudder conventions.

  421. Storm Man says:

    Yah how sad that McDonagh guy what a superstar he has the key for the HHOF already.

  422. samTHEman says:

    lol yes i think it’s enough we gave up mcdonagh for none other than the hard-working alaskan

  423. Bugs says:

    There once was an NHL club

    What’d often been known to snub

    Quite suitable chaps

    For a roll at the craps

    And retire soiled, bloody, and drubbed.

  424. Bill J says:

    Do you understand what quotation marks are ?

    And to answer your question, the very post I replied to – I quoted it FROM THAT POST.

    I shouldn’t be surprised that you would try & deny what EVERYONE here can read for themselves, and now you trying to deny what is clear as day a few posts above this one.


  425. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    He’s one of manaparts minions.

  426. Habanero Gomez says:

    Like and agree with your comments….

    You really have to take what the talking heads on TSN/Sporstnet/CBC etc, with a grain of salt… The only accountability they have is to “spin” and “hype” and get their sources confirmed (and they don’t even do that sometimes)…. Besides the aforementioned all have to cater to the largest audience in the country and are not going to cater to Montreal fans anytime, ever… I like MacTavish and Bob MacKenzie Steve Kouly… The rest are lucky they have jobs in “hockey”…

    Now for our team… (not in any order)

    Small, yes…

    Skilled, yes..

    Playoff experience, yes…

    Goaltending, yes…

    Good young talent, yes…




    coaching, yes…

    fun to watch(except for first meeting with Lightning and a couple games like it…), yes….

    SuperStar, no…

    Size up front,no…

    Does this team quit, rarely and no…

    Could any of us do a better job than PG or JM…. ahhh… no

    Is Pierre McGuire capable of being and NHL GM, no… if anyone thought that, he would be already…

    Does anyone on the TSN panel know who is gong to win the cup… no… that is why they play the games…


    What does it take to win the cup? (not in any order)







    Luck (some bounces and calls)

    Timely Scoring

    Timely Goaltending


    Nobody knows how well or how far ANY team is going to go in the playoffs when before they start… But if you take a pragmatic look at things… You just might find that this group of guys, regardless of size, or even Gomer, gives us effort on a consistent basis and reason to at least hope… and maybe even believe…



  427. thorandresson says:

    it really cracks me up that everytime PG mentions a players name, he calls them Mr.  


  428. Bill J says:

    RetroMikey as his 2nd in command

  429. larisalapointe says:

    Hear Hear!!  You are brilliant yet again!

  430. Da Hema says:

    More important, who is Brian Smoking?

  431. Da Hema says:

    I believe he is the original organiser, and thus its founder.

  432. Storm Man says:

    Respect come’s to mind.

  433. larisalapointe says:

    Does Timo automatically get to be the leader of this party?


  434. habstrinifan says:

    Didnt Schultz show up overweight at camp.

  435. Da Hema says:


    I guess we must include The Montreal Are Bad Party (the MABs).

  436. Bill J says:

    Keep in mind he is the team Captain.

    What’s he supposed to say ? 

    Koivu said a lot of that too about his team mates, comes with the territory as far as I am concerned.


  437. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Unlike this message board, that movie wasn’t open to anyone of any age. Try and keep it clean, that shouldn’t be a difficult request…

  438. Bill J says:

    credibility ?

  439. LA Loyalist says:

    I think the Troll Party is especially good, in that it is so HIO.

  440. Mr. Habs says:

    Gionta said that Gomez has been playing great. What is Brian Smoking?

  441. LA Loyalist says:

    Oh, I’m happy you guys have jumped on it for fun, today was almost as stressful as a game. :) 

  442. deuce6 says:

    More than a PPG in the SWE elite league..Scored a total of 41 goals over his last 2 seasons in the NHL with Minny…What do we have to lose?

    —————— Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  443. Number31 says:

    Yes, they don’t have prospects to offer to any team because they want those prospects to continue on their development path and join THIS team. Also they’re here for depth in case of injuries. Is that so wrong? Build from the draft, build from within.

  444. Sheldon says:

    Now that PG has taken the bull by the horns and solved the Habs most pressing problem — a reliable backup goaltender — the Cup will be theirs! Retrieve my Stanley Cup parade route map from the glove compartment of the Edsel honey!!!

  445. ProHabs says:

    Good question, I am not sure. I am not disappointed Gauthier did nothing today. Nobody moved today that I would really like to see on the team…. including Penner.

    I wouldn’t have minded Boyes though or grabbing Sturm off of waiver for free though. We still are missing a piece in our top 6 and I am so tired of seeing Moen, Pyatt, Halpern, Darche as a top 6.

  446. Bill J says:

    Sad isn’t it Tony, that you are proud of this achievement

  447. Mark C says:

    Those teams completely bottomed out and had no choice but to rebuild. Edmonton has been rebuilding for years now, and has suffered through horrid seasons just for some future hope of being a good team again.

    Is a few extra draft picks really the answer?

  448. solomio says:

    You’re just plain wrong. Wee DD is secure even if just considering the franco factor, Besides that he is and will develop into one hell of a hockey player.
    Mark my words :>0

  449. Bill J says:

    High 5 to you sir.

    Yeah it would have been fun & exciting to see a major trade….  But having lived through the Savard years of “success” I do not want this team to start mortgaging their future for ONE cup run, I would far prefer a consistently successful team.

    They don’t have to win the cup each year to make me happy – just ice a good team, one that has heart & dedication to the team and what it stands for.

  450. Bill J says:

    refer to above discussion about “mark my words” and consider how you just jinxed DD horribly.

    But sure I’ll indulge you and “mark your words” if that makes you happy.

  451. newbrunswick troy says:

    agreed ..those guys are not even  third liners on most teams!  but thats thE reality of having overpaid for gomer,gio and cammy

  452. solomio says:

    I can figure out the FO part but what does GT stand for?

  453. Danno says:

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the Party. And what a Party it will be.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  454. SeriousFan09 says:

    Only riddle is how does MTL rebalance the forwards to accomodate Desharnais though? We already have Gionta, Cammy, Pleks, Gomez, that’s 5 under 6′ scorers with DD included, with Eller, Pouliot, Pacioretty and Kostitsyn for size balance and 4 centres none of whom are effective if they switch to wing. 

    I know, people say dump Gomez but even than, that’s a lot of small players the Habs have to find big players to surround with to make them successful and I can’t think of a justification to deal away guys like Pleks, Gio or Cammy after what they’ve done for MTL to make it easier for DD. Gomez is a salary dump so he can’t bring anything back with him. DD may be traded because he’s behind a long line of smaller forwards is my thinking ATM.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  455. ed lopaz says:


    its not that difficult to spend 59 million and ice a competitive team.

    there are about 24 teams this season out of 30 that are very competitive,

    the goal is to win the cup.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  456. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Entirely agree. And I think we mostly have that team, including a few players who have the capacity to go up a gear (or several gears in Gomez’ case), and a few others who might start hitting some consistency at the right time, so that, whether or not we actually bring home the bacon, we genuinely compete. Plus the young guys get a taste and come back hungry for more next season.


  457. gohabsgo25 says:

    what i believe is that a lot of people would have went on a riot if pg gave up all that for penner like tinordi is our next pronger and i wud not give up the future for some bum who plays sometimes.

    if possible we shud call up ian shultz he is the big power forward were looking for and would be great on the 3rd or 4th

  458. SeriousFan09 says:

    I look for comedy where I can.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  459. Da Hema says:

    Proportional representation systems generally encourage substantially more political parties than you identified. Additional parties include:

    The Incoherence Party

    The Reactionary Infant Party (the RIPs)

    The I’m Better Than You Party

    The Jejune Party

    The Puerility Party

    PS LA Loyalist: I am not directing any of these parties toward you! You’re a good egg in my books!

  460. ed lopaz says:

    that can’t work – :-)

    we would need to get rid of tom pyatt for petes sake

    and no way we’re moving pyatt since he came in the gomez deal.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  461. Bill J says:

    “I just hate the organization”

    You are grade A pathetic….  You hate this team, but spend your days here trolling them.

    How fulfilling!

  462. Number31 says:

    Schultz isn’t ready yet. Conboy’s ahead of him on the depth chart, frankly. Both still need a bit of work though. (I want Conboy up here soon though ;D)

  463. Antho says:

    what post says i hate the team? pg and jm is the team?

  464. larisalapointe says:

    The Mark My Words Party

  465. newbrunswick troy says:

    i don,t think the word (deleted) is a swear word anymore….they say it on tv now..all the same sorry to offend you.

    oh by the way i see you have a slapshot avatar..that was some funny movie..it was rated general wasn,t it


  466. scrowe21 says:

    Schultz is actually absolutely awful, and he is not even that big. I dunno how he did so good in camp and pre season because hes terrible in the AHL.

  467. Mark C says:

    Think the Habs have a Finnish scout too. Rockstrom was a huge coup for the Habs as he is easily one of the most influence Europeans scouts in NHL history. He was also the guy who found Hakan Andersson for Holland. With scouting I always feel that the quality of information outweighs the quantity of information and am hopeful a few more scouts are added this summer when scouts change teams.   

  468. dallyd31 says:

    Billiantly said.  What do people want…to give up great young talent or 1st round picks for an over the hill UFA-to-be that MAY get us past the first round. LISTEN UP PEOPLE…with all the injuries to our team this year, it just isn’t our year.  Why give up all of your assets and jeopardize your future when you don’t have a real legitimate shot this year.  With Gorges and Markov..maybe.  But PG had to use all the assets he could spare just to plug the holes created by injuries.

    What would you have done differently ?  What top line player that was available that would have put us over the top ?  Would you give up PK or Patches or Price for him ?  Was Penner worth Tinordi, a 1st and a 2nd…just to have him MAYBE get by the 1st round and that is a BIG maybe. Would we then be any better off in the near, or long term.
    Think about it folks.  First line centre’s don’t appear out of thin air and for free.

  469. Storm Man says:

    The trollherd on here literally believe each ones hype. They have accomplished very little in life and yet come on here pissing and moaning about the lack of trades done today. The bottome line DON’T WATCH THE TEAM ANYMORE.

  470. LA Loyalist says:

    That is hilarious. You are usually so… Serious.


  471. ProHabs says:

    Like when someone wrote “AK46 will score between 35-40 goals this year…mark my words.”

  472. SeriousFan09 says:

    Christer Rockstrom as the sole European scout? Yeah I know. However with the Habs not really having heavily tapped Europe for years (Bad taste from the Belarus adventure and no transfer agreement in Russia?) they may just be looking at a more NA focus. Granted they shouldn’t ignore any avenues but I’d like to see what the Habs get from Rockstrom’s work in the next couple of years, he found some guys for the Rangers, including a guy (Cherepanov) if not for his tragic death might have been a big name for the NYR by now.

    I’m fine with how today went, if there wasn’t a deal to made (and looking at what LA paid for Penner, I can see see why Gauthier didn’t move) than the Habs shouldn’t make a deal in a non-Cup year. The kids need to build up on the farm and the Habs need to keep making good selections in the draft to get ahead right now.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  473. newbrunswick troy says:

    I guess i knew that the habs would do nothing today…but what perturbs me is how this teams management sells it that the team has all the components to contend—we all know thats bullshit, and with Gomer taking in 7.5 mil next year and cammy at 6mil and gio at 5mil  well thats around 30% of the teams salary all for what…50 goals a year….this teams denial to just clear out bad deals and rebiuld through draft is going to leave the team as a bubble team forever…

    all because the ownership cant risk a year or two of the bell cntr not selling out!!!!

  474. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m famous (in a bad way) for bagging on our size and toughness or lack thereof, but for the record I’d be fine with DDesharnais if he turns out half so well as Mats Naslund or Henri Richard.

    To me the problem is balance, we need guys to go to the net and create chaos. Then a smaller guy has room to work. That’s all. I have no problem with size per se.

    thank you for playing.

  475. Bill J says:

    D: Disappointed in fans who do not see the bigger picture.

  476. LA Loyalist says:

    Do you remember the story about Habs in Europe being down to one old Swedish guy (for scouting)? Or did I have another hallucination? I have to start bookmarking this stuff.

    With respect to your comment though, thanks for clarification. Are you ok with today. I realize there wasn’t much we could do without giving up a good prospect. 

  477. deuce6 says:

    Let’s just sign Owen Nolan to a contract and get it over with..League min…What can it hurt? So, if he doesn’t pan out, we put him on waivers and stick him in the Hammer for the rest of this year and then he’s off the books…

    He’s old, but still has the size we need…

    —————— Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  478. larisalapointe says:

    Hahaha….Or “Both PG and Price will be run out of town by the end of this year (2010), Mark my words!”  LOL

  479. gohabsgo25 says:

    just a quick question? is the waiver wire done now that the deadline is done, or could we still pick up some players from waivers if they were sent down?

  480. SeriousFan09 says:

    What party are you Chief Whip for though, you need to specify before calling a vote and with a Proportional Representation we’ve got a ton of them.

    The Progressive Tanking Party

    The New Era By Mass Firings Party

    Standing Pat Party

    Abandon All Ye Hope Party

    Futurists Party

    Closet Leaf Fans Party

    The Troll Party


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  481. kempie says:

    Getting nutty in here.

  482. samTHEman says:

    Yeah and it makes me believes that the hype around Richards being dealt was completely made up. Makes no sense for a team to pay an arm and a leg for a concussed rental.

  483. SeriousFan09 says:

    I wouldn’t rank DD as a long-term stay though, I suspect more likely he’ll get dealt due to the size concerns of the roster, but his showing he can play at this level gives MTL a useful trading chip for a team that wants scoring regardless of size.

    I know, BOOOO Desharnais is showing more heart and effort than Gomez this season, spare me it folks I’m just calling it like I see it, going forward, the Canadiens need to get bigger and DD is well behind the depth chart, especially if Eller progresses in the final stretch.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  484. kirkiswork says:

    Penner, too expensive, Arnott too old, nobody else out there really. I think it’s better to wait until July when we have some more cap space instead of getting a rental.

  485. HotHabs says:

    I didn’t watch a lot of TSN’s coverage today, but what I did see was any time Mtl was mentioned all of the analysts agreed that the Habs had very little in prospects to offer any team.  To me, that says a lot.  And, when you don’t have much to offer, then other teams look past you to the ones that do!

  486. Storm Man says:

    The trollherd is active on trade deadline day.

  487. HardHabits says:

    No need to get creative or innovative. Just go through the motions and everything will come.

    Why not sell? I envy Edmonton fans and to a lesser extent Ottawa fans. At least those teams made it to the SCFs in the last 10 years and each team realizes what it takes to rebuild in today’s NHL unlike Glen Sather’s protoge Bob Gainey who thinks a team can built via free agency in the salary cap era.

  488. LA Loyalist says:

    Well, time for the whip to call the vote. How are we feeling?

    A. Bummed

    B. Resigned

    C. Justified in our delusions.

    D. Other


    Trade deadline: “Much hell and fury signifying squat.” William Shakespeare

  489. Bill J says:

    LOL – personally I find it funny.

    Because almost every single time someone says those words…. It usually backfires…


    “Mark my words, Halak will win the Cup in StLouis next year, Price will fail miserably & then we will end up with Sanford as the #1 in MTL”

    Believe it or not SOMEONE on this board wrote this sentence.  Absolutely amazing fans this team has eh ?

  490. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    How many damn accounts does this guy have????  lol

  491. deuce6 says:

    Finally, this overhyped”coo coo” day is over..can we please get back to hockey where the attention should be? On the ice…

    —————— Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  492. LA Loyalist says:

    The only work-around to tanking that I can see is to out-scout everyone and triple our efforts in europe and here. Find those gems like Halak and Markov.

    But no, we’ve cut our scouting, apparently. Which says to me all they care about is selling beer. 

    Is any other interpretation of cutting our scouting possible? I’d love to hear it.

  493. Bill J says:

    lol well done to you to, noticed you called it out prolly like 30-40 seconds before me.

  494. Antho says:

    TSN really does a really good job selling it …especially with expert analysts like Pierre McGuru where his hatred toward the habs can’t be anymore blunt

  495. scrowe21 says:

    Lol… and we need size and scoring ability and we didn’t trade for either. Joookes. I know he tried.

  496. MTLForever says:

    I think people keep forgetting or not realizing that the deal for a goalie was important for the system. Sanford is hurt, needed a goalie down in the Hammer. 


    To think we were gunna get some amazing deal done today is not realistic and this isnt NHL 11. If Gauthier was given something that he couldn’t refuse, he’d pull the trigger but most likely things just did not work out or other teams wanted guys from us that are untouchable. I’d rather get a guy that we will have for years and not a rental.

  497. punkster says:

    Regular as clockwork on here. Couple of days off between games and the dark clouds gather. Today’s silly “trade” deadline just provides whiners with more excuses to crank up the “end is nigh” rhetoric. What gets me is people actually get upset over not picking up the garbage that was available.


  498. LA Loyalist says:

    Funny post in Edmonton Sun about Penner leaving for LA.

    We need size and scoring ability so we trade the one guy that has both?”

    I don’t know why I find that hilarious.

  499. gloveside says:

    What I fail to understand is that if they really do think they are quite a ways from being cup contenders [as most of us probably concede] why didn’t they try and ditch some salary? Dump Gionta or Cammy. If the management thinks that they will be serious contenders for the cup [not “Hab fan” contenders – meaning we think they should win just by lacing up the skates] within the couple of years they have these guys under contract, then fine, but next year we have exactly 5 forwards, 1 d-man and a goalie under contract for almost $25 mil. We are either going to have to start paying our 3rd/4th line guys raises or sign similar ones for similar money…and that leaves…us in the exact same spot we are in this year. Not like we have any depth in Hamilton waiting to make a 1st or 2nd line impact. Anyone who is still in junior will be years away from making an impact…by then our “big guns” will either be long gone or simply other salary albatrosses.


    I have 2 things to say about all this BS about not wanting to mortgage our future for an extra round or two:

    1) Who, exactly are you talking about when you say that? What “prospects” are you so keen on protecting?


    2) I want my team to think cup every time we look like we are going to make the playoffs.  Why bother showing up to play otherwise? We saw last year what could happen. Fill some of the holes that desperately need filling!


  500. RJB says:

    Ahh yes, I am an arrogant idiot, thanks for clearing it up. You really should post more often, we miss your insightful comments 

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” – Bilbo Baggins

  501. TorontoHabsFan says:

    1) Gauthier didn’t “do nothing”, he replaced half of his defence corps. He just did it before the deadline.

    2) Holy Hell is Florida effed. Say hello to the future Quebec Nordiques! :)

    3) The only team to significantly improve themselves today was Buffalo – Boyes should fit in nicely with their forwards.

  502. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Well, here’s the thing. You have to hit the bottom in this league to get a Sydney Crosby before he’s 38. And we won’t let this team do that. Ever. You’re not going to get a marquis scorer at the trade deadline for a handful of draft picks and a bag of pucks. Is Gauthier stupid or is everyone way too savvy these days? Anyway, we continue in mediocrity punctuated by faint hope. Almost Leafs. Get used to it.  

  503. punkster says:

    It’s just Tony.


  504. Bill J says:

    Antho ? as in Anthony ? as in Tony242 ?


  505. punkster says:

    Well done Bill.


  506. LA Loyalist says:

    We do have some decent prospects, of course nothing is guaranteed. Desharnais is one of them and is looking good. Leblanc and Tinordi and Avtsin (sp) and the guy who froze his toe off and possibly Yemelin. Serious posts about these guys regularly.

    But in essence your post is correct. We either beef up and try and win it all or maximize our ROI and accumulate kids and picks.

    This sitting at .500 year after year waiting for a hot goalie to carry us… mediocrity is not a plan. Really, it’s not. I looked it up.

  507. Rainrocket16 says:

    Hopefully by not moving anyone today it can spark a fire under some of Les Boys Asses!!! It could be a positive thing, I am not about to quit on this team. We are capable of winning the Cup….is it likely no, but we could do it! If Gomer and AK and everyone else step it up there is no telling what we can do!! I think Max Pac could be the power forward we have been looking for, just gotta give it all time. It is always possible, enough negativety, lets start cheering for these little giants and see what they can do for us!!!

    Go Habs Go!!!

  508. Antho says:

    to all you naive arrogant idiots who think pg and jm will bring a cup here can gtfo….

    JM=1200 games coached and how many teams managed by PG and no cups

    GTFO all of you and long live the trolls

  509. CanadienBoy says:

    As much as i hate the Habs to be a small team they do have more heart then most of all the others teams, hochey’s like life about fighting adversity and we in for a roller coaster

  510. RJB says:

    Why is everybody so negative, were in the home stretch, we have exciting games coming up and were gonna be playing some spring hockey again this year!!! Once you get in anything can happen, I’m pretty damn excited!!!

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” – Bilbo Baggins

  511. punkster says:

    Having a bad day?


  512. DearyLeary says:

    With what?  What are we going to give up that has enough value to score us a player that pushes this team over the top?

  513. samTHEman says:

    Renaud Lavoie just tweeted that White has just been recalled from Hamilton after being sent down. Apparently gauthier was trying to make space for a trade that didn’t work out.

  514. SeriousFan09 says:

    The scouting department has been restructured and it’s not necessarily for the worst. One great scout can outperform two average ones if he spots talent that they can’t. MTL isn’t that far removed from other teams in the league, we won’t know what the change in amateur scouting will bring about for at least 5 years though, we’ll need to see the long-term results of at least the 2011 and 2012 drafts.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  515. Mark C says:

    Which playoff bound teams sold off assets this deadline? Or at any deadline for that matter?

    I keep seeing that people wanted trades made either to improve the team or to sell off players, but has a team ever sold off players while being in Montreal’s position?


  516. larisalapointe says:

    My least favourite HIO expression. “Mark my words”  :)

  517. Bill J says:

    Yup I seem to remember that one too.


  518. Bill J says:

    ROFLMAO!!! Well Done SF09 😀

  519. kempie says:

    I was wondering the same thing. Can we move players to and from Hamilton without worrying about waivers?

  520. ed lopaz says:


    Go Price!!!!

    Because as Boone said – short of Price pulling off a Halak 2.0, we can not beat the Bruins the flyers, etc…

    I watch every game and based on Price’s performance I can tell whether we will win or lose.


    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  521. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Several miles below this point on the thread a poster says that the presence of Gomez on the Habs has made playing in Montreal more attractive for other players. Can anyone make an informed comment on this?

    Similarly, another poster says the players are not happy under JM. We fans are often unhappy with him, but positing that the team is unhappy sounds like projection to me. Does anyone know?

    (There’s another poster who incorporates two Shakespeare references and one to the Sturm und Drang artistic epoch in his response to deadline day. Some mix you attract here Mr Boone!)

    I enjoy this community, fully recognising that we regularly assume we know more about hockey and the Habs than do JM and PG. It’s part of the fun. But let’s be real, they also, both, would love to have found a star power forward or two for a pain-free deal and grabbed it if it was there. It clearly wasn’t – PG was right to sit tight. I’m with Ian Cobb who insists we make the playoffs and it will be fun when we get there.

    (Although it is a shame that, as Boone says, the Brett Festerling era is over. Before it started.)


  522. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Clean up your language.

  523. Antho says:

    LOL im in like all of those parties ….maybe even more 😉

  524. PrimeTime says:

    Hab fans used to be so sophisticated. Now all they do is listen to the McGuires of the world and think they know all the quick fixes and then point fingers at those who know better. What a shame. I’d woud like to know what you critics have ever accomplished in your lives that make you so smart…..blogs are full of “geniuses”.

  525. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I can see that trade of Festerling festering for a long time…

  526. newbrunswick troy says:

    today at 2 pm

  527. samTHEman says:

    lol interesting…

  528. Antho says:

    I shouldn’t offend anyone with my posts, I just hate the organization and I’m entitled to my opinion like everyone else is, there are always two sides


    I would be even more proud if lemaire and robinson were behind our bench….or boucher and muller with Yzerman as our GM

  529. solomio says:

    I’m all for it but get real

  530. Bill J says:

    Your serious ?  Come on PLEASE admit you are joking… PLEASSSSE!!! lol

  531. saskhabfan says:

    Actually your not famous for much except repeatedly saying how we could have kept koivu when in reality he had zero interest in staying. So really,the only thing you are famous for is making up crap rumours. Thank you for playing.

  532. HardHabits says:

    Get The F*** Out

  533. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    He’s the captain, he has to tow the company line. Plus he’s Gomers friend, and friends stick together Dean.

  534. Mr. Habs says:

    If he has nothing good to say then don’t say nothing at all.

    What he should havew said was Scott is struggling & will get it together.

  535. Da Hema says:

    Your post above where you wrote “I just hate the organization.”

  536. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Same hymn-sheet, HG. To your playoff list could be added health (possibly included under luck), being both to what extent Habs injuries weaken us and opponents’ injuries help us. Unfortunate but always a factor.

    Like you analysis. Come one April.


  537. Bill J says:

    refer to my previous answer.

    He’s the team captain, you do realize what that involves right ?

  538. Bill J says:


    Tony Agreed with you – time for you to soul search again. 😉

  539. Bugs says:

    Now, don’t mean to butt in, but y’all ARE talkin about the fella played “Face” in The A-Team, right?

  540. Da Hema says:

    Get yer mind outta the gutter Rabbit!

  541. Mr. Habs says:

    No it is not.


  542. HardHabits says:

    Not this time. I am very upset at the Penner trade in that it wasn’t AK going away and the Habs getting the return Edmonton did instead.

  543. ManApart says:

    The big picture is not that good, that’s my point. Age, cap problems, holes that cannot be plugged, lack of prospects. I see many more teams in the league with better big pictures than the Habs. Probably 12 to 15. Which leaves Montreal right in the middle of the pack, like always.

  544. twilighthours says:

    I feel what you’re saying.  I was just replying to the specific point about AKost.  

    And for what it’s worth, I think that a core of Price, Plex, Patches, Cammi, potentially Leblanc, Subban, and one other great D man (not sure where he’s coming from) looks pretty promising.  I am not so fearful.  

  545. notbigbird says:

    “The team is too good to be a seller but not good enough to win the Cup. My fear is that it’s going to be another 10 years of mediocrity if not more than that.”

    This I agree with. This team has to make much better personnel decisions. This is the second rebuild under BG/PG that hasn’t worked out. I don’t totally blame them because it’s like everything we touch turns to dust. We were all so excited to get Laraque , but he went peacenik. We all weren’t excited to get Gomez, but nobody expected him to be so bad. It’s just crazy what happens in Habland.

  546. ManApart says:

    Glad to see you’re coming to your senses about the reality of the situation. Agree with everything you said. The summer won’t change much. How can it? No big free agents out there, no cap room, no big pieces to put in a trade, they are thin as it is. There will be a tweak here and there, but the situation will be much the same. Gainey really locked this team down, and it will take som years to get out from his bad decisions.

  547. Bill J says:

    OMG dude- ManApart agreed with you too now, you’re headed down a bad alley…. Specially when he says he is glad to see you are coming to your sense… ewwwww.

    Free country and all, but I hate to see a good man go down like this.

  548. ManApart says:

    Miracles can happen, and that’s what it will take for the Habs to come out of the East, this year or next.

  549. ManApart says:

    The guy is just telling the truth. I suppose you are still in beautiful Habs land, still happy about the Gomez deal. The truth always prevails. Time for you to see it.

  550. CanadienBoy says:

    Every teams got a Gomez these day

  551. HardHabits says:

    The Habs do the exact opposite of what is required to build a contender because the only prize they have their eyes on is making the play-offs.

    The team is too good to be a seller but not good enough to win the Cup. My fear is that it’s going to be another 10 years of mediocrity if not more than that.

    I am also tired of hearing the platitudes about how we have all the pieces required. It’s a load of garbage. It’s like CEO’s telling their shareholders the company is making profits while they are dumping stock. It’s just a gut feeling I know but I am not convinced.

    I do agree however that this summer will be telling in what the Habs do but inevitably the team is stuck with too many smallish forwards, with a team that is built for speed, yet tries to play a grinding defensive system who’s end result is too many players injured.

    It’s not pessimism. I just see it as a lack of opportunism.

  552. CanadienBoy says:

    The situation could change from one playoff round to the next Habs shut peoples  off last years  and before, so be careful you never known

  553. Bill J says:

    Nah I look at the big picture, while you harp on the little things, while we as group of posters here NEVER see you here when good things happen.

    Funny eh?

    I’m always here, good and bad.  I see the big picture, you should try it.

  554. Displaced says:

    I’m not a fan of the current management or the coach, but that statement is crazy.  The team is 6th in the east, so it’s hard to call it sub-standard.  They are spending near the maximum allowed by the league, so it’s hard to say the Molson’s are draining money from the Habs.  At best, it would be nice to have a more communicative approach that provides some insights into what Fans can expect the team to try and achieve and in what timeframe.  Absent that, all we can do is hope there’s a plan and blindly support every move and non-move as part of a master design to win a Cup in our lifetime….

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  555. novahab says:

    My biggest fear now is the Molsons are going to drain as much money as they can from the Canadiens. They will put sub standard teams on the ice lie about cap room and over charge the fans for as long as they can. When the fans get sick of it and stop coming like they did before they will sell and run. today was a total disgrace.

  556. notbigbird says:

    You can wish all you want, but the Habs aren’t about to tank. The only way that AK was going was if somebody was coming back right now. Same with the summer: I’d rather have him back than just toss him on the scrap heap. I actually have some hope for him if they keep him way from Gomez.

  557. TomNickle says:

    Latendresse, Chipchura, Hainsey.

    They aren’t too arrogant to admit their mistakes.  Stop with the fabrication, just stick to your point, it may be an old argument, and I may not agree with it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t good.

  558. HardHabits says:

    I still think the Habs are a few first round picks away from putting together a championship team.

    So yes I am upset the Edmonton got what they got for Penner and that the Habs didn’t get something of equal value for AK46, because those two players are equal in points per games.

    That being said, as much as AK has been playing better as of late with Eller I still can’t stand him as a Hab. I don’t care if he scores 40 goals elsewhere he needs to be moved over the summer.

    If the Habs do resign him though it will be an admission that they are too arrogant to admit their mistakes.

    I am looking to forward to seeing how well Andrei performs this play-offs. Hopefully good enough for him to get a sick offer sheet that the Habs are unable to match.

  559. twilighthours says:

    See my post below.  I have come to understand that you are now in the “tank with a purpose” camp, but any deal that was available today for AKost will still be available (or one near as good) in the off-season.  Why not just keep him around?  He might score a hat-trick in the first round, with the 3rd goal bouncing in off his arse.

  560. Displaced says:

    Richer was the last player the Habs drafted that posted an 80 point season with the team.  We nabbed him in 1984.  Not three score years ago, but it feels like a millenium.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  561. JD_ says:

    I’m cool with the ventin’, Bill. More often than not, it’s thoughtful and concerned with the team improvin’.

    Make no mistake: Where I wish the quality level would rise is the stuff at the margin, like guys who just write the same thing over and over; i.e. the self-loathers. If one is goin’ to be deranged, at least make it interestin’ to read. Have a hook. Make an effort. Otherwise, it’s just unimaginative noise and not worth my time.

  562. twilighthours says:

    Duuuuuuude, three-score is 60 – that’s a long time to be without a top-flight scorer.  Unless you really hated Richer… and Lafleur… and Shutt… and so on.

  563. twilighthours says:

    I think you might have missed my point.  Read again.  

    And if Tinordi or Leblanc are not blue-chippers, then why were these the two guys who were (by all rumoured accounts, if that’s worth anything) targeted by other teams?  

    (Blue-chipper, by the way, meaning valuable and promising – I never claimed superstardom)

  564. ManApart says:

    I got your point. You said TSN were wrong in saying the Habs are pretty thin on prospects to trade. That’s true. I’m not saying we don’t have some young guys that could be promising (Max, PK, good chance for Leblanc) But there certainly isn’t a surplus of them that the Habs can spare like the KIngs had.  So TSN was correct in their assessment.

  565. CanadienBoy says:


    NO surplus but the best from Richer ,Lemieux era , Leblanc may be but Bonnivalle could suprise with Gallager 

  566. CanadienBoy says:

    Let see here when Georges first came he was way lest then Weber, Weber not as good as PK but up there ,Tinordi to young to say,Max the one we have been waiting for blue chip you bet

  567. HardHabits says:

    Who said tank? The window of opportunity for that has passed and the next one is 2015.

    I am saying make the trade that Edmonton did. The way to build a champion is via the draft. Look at the Habs last two Cups. 30% of those teams came from within the organization. Players the Habs squandered in trades for supposed veterans. They do the opposite of what needs to be done. Time and again, over and over, ad nauseum.

    AK is not valuable at all. He’s been on the 4th line for most of the season. The sooner he’s gone the better.

    He can score 40 goals elsewhere and that is how he should be packaged. He wont score 40 goals here. At least I seriously doubt it.

  568. TomNickle says:

    Build through the draft like Price, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Subban, Weber, Kostitsyn.  Trade the picks you’ve made who don’t fit in your future plans like Halak and Latendresse and acquire players like Eller and Pouliot.

    Trade your veterans for high round picks and prospects like moving Rivet for Gorges and a 1st(Pacioretty).

    Listen.  I think it’s fair to say that over the course of Gainey’s career and now Gauthier’s that he makes a deal if the right one is in place.

  569. SeriousFan09 says:

    Edmonton still has to prove they can do more than say “We’re taking Taylor Hall!”, they have to pick up the ball and run with it. Draft Adam Larsson this year so their blue line has a blue-chipper for No. 1, or take Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to be Hall’s centre. They’ve got to do what CHI did, find guys later in the draft as well like Keith, Seabrook, Bolland, Byfuglien, Hjalmarsson while trading for the Sharps, Versteegs and Ladds.

    They can picture themselves building a franchise from scratch with the draft, but if they don’t make the right choices, make the right trades, they’ll be another Columbus, who looks to Rick Nash to make it all happen with his 2nd-rate supporting crew because they couldn’t work the draft properly despite a lot of high picks.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  570. TomNickle says:

    Getting Teubert is a step in the right direction.  But you already know we’re in agreement on this issue so I’ll leave you to your devices!  😉

  571. notbigbird says:

    Well, I’d say that if you jettison a contributing player now for nothing now, it’s tanking now.

  572. Drive_For_25 says:

    Wasn’t it being reported that he and Subban got into it at practice?  And that some proposition came up, don’t know who started it, that it was either Laps or Subban and they said c ya Laps?  Just what I remember reading or hearing when I saw he got traded for so little in return.  What we got back is, in itself, an indication that they were just trying to get rid of him quickly. 

  573. Drive_For_25 says:


    Here’s half of what I’m talking about.  Can’t find anything about the “Laps or Subban” thing but I remember hearing it somewhere.  Laps was traded 3 days after this story came out. 


  574. Drive_For_25 says:

    He was moved because he was disrupting the team and was becoming a cancer.  We didn’t move him soon enough.  I would have got rid of him for NOTHING just to make that spot for DD. 

  575. Bugs says:

    Evidence he was disrupting and becoming a cancer, please.

  576. Bill J says:

    Honest question, because it will lead to me better understanding you as a fan.

    How long have you been a fan of the Habs.

    Your profile here says 1984, but is that your birth year ?  Or did you actually start being a fan through the last 2 Cups ?

  577. novahab says:

    Well the Canadiens are spending to much money on the GM and coach on this team Cut their salaries in half and throw in another 2 mil and hire the math prefessor that the Flyers and Briuns hired. These guys are amazing because if you look at Chara salary and Pronger  and Richards and yet they can add the players they did. The Canadiens lose 4 mil for the year from Markov and Gorges is what around 2 Mill. Yet there is no cap room something stinks . This is either Bettman and his Hinchmen looking the other way or the real possiblity is that the money is going into Molson breweries. It s no secret theat Molsons Coors are hurting in the beer business. Its a shame with what the fans pay to fill that building night after night and not do a thing to give their team a better chance to win. As far as PG saying they don’t need size he should put on the gear and play against the Bruins and Flyers who are stock for a nuclear war.

  578. Rainrocket16 says:


  579. Bugs says:

    Can you imagine? Refreshing the HIO page every 5 minutes to be in on that uncle Fester deal; that would be sooo lame, like, get a life, you know? Glad I didn’t do that either.

    But uhh, yeah, the TSN page refreshed itself. That’s totally different.

  580. Rainrocket16 says:

    Man am I glad the trade deadline is over, my god! How annoying, glad I didn’t waste my day refreshing the pages of H/IO to see who we did or didn’t get, or Why didn’t Gomez go..or Why isn’t AK back in Belarus…..bring on the Bruins!! At least there will excitement!

  581. TorontoHabsFan says:

    We tend to forget that Montreal spent the last 4 weeks without our most offensively talented player. Getting Cammalleri back is a huge boon for the Habs.

  582. Jocko says:

    Glad to see PG did not make a move to rent some guy and give up prospects or picks for little return.  The Penner trade was a great thing for the Oilers, picks, prospects, and cap room.  Now that the drama of the trade deadline is over, let’s all bow our heads and pray that Gomez finds some kind of scoring touch.   I mean, a thousand of the same prayer would have to answered, right? 

    I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  583. HardHabits says:

    Yzerman and Boucher are rookies in the NHL and they are outclassing the Habs veterans by a far margin.

  584. HardHabits says:

    TB is 4th over-all.

  585. Omit says:


    Take Stamkos and Hedman(players they had nothing to do with) off of the team and then tell me what they have done to outclass the Habs veterans. Just name one thing.

  586. HabFanSince72 says:

    So when they do well they over-achieve. When they do bad Gauthier and Gainey are idiots?

    Thanks for that.

  587. LA Loyalist says:

    Would you have taken Arnott as a temporary fix and sat Gomez?

    Considering what Washington paid for him…


  588. Mr. Habs says:

    AND now Halak is doing his Raycroft/Auld  impersonation !

  589. SeriousFan09 says:

    TBL is paying Simon Gagne 5 million dollars for 21 points this season. They dealt away their only other young defencemen Andrej Meszaros for a 2nd-round draft pick. They sent away a defensive prospect and a pick so they could rent another older defencemen in Eric Brewer, a 33-year old going past his prime. They used a 6th overall pick in the draft for a guy who refused to let himself be medically screened before the draft and underperformed at the World Juniors (and 5th-round pick Brendan Gallagher is beating in the scoring race in the WHL). If not for Dwayne Roloson, it would be hard to point to a move Yzerman made that significantly improved the team, and how long the 41-year old will hold up is very questionable.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  590. Omit says:

    Your ignorance of how the NHL is run today is amazing. The CBA with its salary cap and other changes has totally altered everything about how a winner is built. Have you even read the CBA to understand what I’m saying?  Before you answer, remember that there might be a quiz later on.

    And Yzerman and Boucher have won exactly nothing at the coaching and management level in the pros and must likely won’t for the near future. And I’ll bet you anything that you want that they will have moved on to another organization before winning the Cup.

  591. Storm Man says:

    LA we did not have what the Devils wanted for Arnott.

  592. Keith says:

    And hire who exactly? And please don’t say Pierre Maguire.It’s not an easy task to win the cup. Even teams that tank for good early round picks are not guaranteed the cup. If I had a answer for you then I would be an NHL GM somewhere, but PG certainly has FAR more knowledge than I do. I say let him do his job.

  593. ManApart says:

    I disagree. Montreal was extremely fortunate to get where they were in the playoffs with basically a full lineup- minus Markov. They overachieved big time, mostly because Halak did his Roy impersonation for 2 rounds. This year the team is playing basically at the same clip all year, besides the first 10 games or so, regardless of who was in or out of the line-up, minus Markov of course.

    That injury excuse is a tired one. Many teams have had worse situations. If you’re waiting for a season where there are no injuries to key players at some point during a season, then you’ll be waiting a long time.

  594. ManApart says:

    They have been doing their job for 7 years now. I think that is plenty chance to get the team to the top. They failed, time to cut our losses before this Cup drought goes to 2 decades. I wanted exactly Yzerman and Boucher, but obviously that’s not possible anymore.

  595. Mattyleg says:

    …and the teams that have had worse situations have done significantly worse.

    Not quite sure what you’re arguing here.

    But as long as you’re disagreeing with someone, right?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  596. Mattyleg says:

    We would have done significantly better last year and this year if we hadn’t had such bad luck with injuries.

    Look at Philly last year, and where they ended up in the season, and how much better they were once the injuries cleared up for the playoffs. We’ve been in much the same situation.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  597. LA Loyalist says:

    I meant in theory.

    I thought NJ was shedding salary to be able to sign Parise? 

    I’m waiting to hear what my buddy who is a huge Caps fan thinks.

    In general, I know we are handcuffed pretty much, it’s just frustrating.

  598. HardHabits says:

    And how did they get those two players.

    I rest my case.

    Also they were out of the play-offs last season and are now top 5. It’s the coaching and the GM.

  599. Cable Guy says:

    I agree with you.  No sense on making a trade for the sake of making a trade unless it really helps us.  We won’t win the cup this year but maybe we’ll steal a round or two.

  600. ds says:

    I can’t believe some of these posts, you guys got to stop playing NHL 11 be a GM and live in reality.  The fact is with the exception of Colton Teubert not a single player worth acquiring was traded today.  The majority of them were 4th liners or 3rd liners, Dustin Penner, Radek Dvorak, Arnott and Samsonov are not the solution to Montreal’s issues.  If the Habs get a top 6 forward it has to be a star, there is no point getting another 20 goal a year guy when the team is full of them.


    As for defense, Sopel, and Mara are our deadline deals and they are solid depth defensemen. 


    The offense is what it is, nobody worth getting or any sort of upgrade was available so why bother, change for the sake of change is pointless.


    I’m glad Gauthier did not damage the future for a cheap thrill.  The fact is this team is built to win as a team, to play solid defensively and score in opportunistic fashion.  There’s plenty of hidden firepower because the team has on so many nights reined in the horses when leading after two, the Habs are much better than they are given credit for.  No other team would be able to withstand such important players like Markov & Gorges & Gill and still toss out a shut out. 


    There are young skilled hungry players (pac, pouillot, desharnais), warriors (moen, gill, halpern), scorers (cammelleri, plex, kost) and veteran winners who know how to get the job done (gomez & gionta).  Anyone can win any series, it’s just a matter of the pieces working at the same time.  MTL has as good a shot as winning the cup as anybody in the East.  When Philly’s goaltending destroys them again, same story for over a decade, all their firepower will be for naught.  Boston are chokers, couldn’t win a series up 3-0 with the same team.


    Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses so stop crying and just enjoy the games.

  601. drivefor25 says:

    Thanks for the laugh!

    Fan since ’71

  602. Mark C says:

    Made me laugh.

  603. Former Jets Fan says:

    Festerling = defenceman

  604. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Don’t mean to RANT here, but I’m just SICK of the way this organization treats its YOUNG TALENT.  I mean, c’mon!! Giving up on Festerling already?? He didn’t even get a CHANCE to play on the top line.  Probably because he’s 6 foot 1 and 210…too big for to play with our SMURFS!!  If he was on the top line, he’d PUNCH Lucic in the face and then the Cup would be OURS!! 

  605. Storm Man says:

    Hmmmm some suspicious collusive activity going on with you. As for you been mad about how the Habs treat the YOUNG talent, you should be happy PG did not trade anyone of the players the GM’S wanted from the Habs… PK, MaxP, Price, LL, were players that others wanted.

  606. drivefor25 says:

    If you don’t even know what to say anymore, perhaps you should refrain from posting here. At least until you can think coherently!

    Fan since ’71

  607. Mattyleg says:

    You won’t be watching games anymore!

    Great. You can stop commenting while you’re at it too!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  608. Antho says:

    So PG thinks a system of 6 goalies standing in the neutral zone or their own zone is a good system?

    I dont even know what to say anymore and I’m not motivated to watch their games like I once was.

    Forget the over amplified deadline bs any player who comes to Montreal will stand and not skate within a week.

    Its to bad we didnt trade PG and JM for a package of mouth guards

  609. Mark C says:

    Price is under contract next year @ $2.75M, after that he will cash in big time with a long-term deal.

  610. Bred says:

    So one thing that I haven’t seen mentioned too much thus far –


    Jimmy Howard signed with DET for 2 more years at 2.5M$/year.  This bodes extremely well for our case to resign Price next year, does it not?  I mean worst case scenario we go to arbitration with him and he should technically get a similar deal to that of Howard’s.


    He may also get offer-sheeted, which, if is the case, could screw us pretty badly, but could also help us in long run?


    What does everybody think?

  611. punkster says:

    Tony will never stop posting here. He’s kind of a fixture around here now.


  612. Antho says:

    your hillarious

  613. Mattyleg says:

    What about my hilarious?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  614. notbigbird says:

    I don’t think he’ll get it.

  615. Ton says:

    agreed when you read off your list and than combine them with our veteran group that should be around Gorges, plet, etc we look good.  i just don’t like getting beat up by the bruins on the score board firstand than fisticuffs.

  616. S_Dot says:

    I completely agree, but most of our assets are “untouchable” in the view of us fans…would we be happy with a Carey, Subban, MaxPac trade? Leblanc, Tinordi, Desharnais, Kristo are coming as well with Eller Nash and others to build around…why not be patient and build around our core rather than mortgaging one of them for a rental player to make our team better in the short run with Philly/Boston and a Western Conf. team looming in the future…that was my point

  617. CanadienBoy says:

    RDS will have a update on Spacek in the next 24 hrs.. about time 6 game later

  618. king ddd says:

    How is jim Pop’s hockey knowledge? this is pg’s loser talk.


    ** Buck Fruins **

  619. Keith says:

    So all of the Tarranna media HACKS (but I like Bob McKenzie, the only objective voice on TSN) think the Habs did bad today by not doing much. The Habs do not have alot of “can’t miss” prospects in the minors and this years draft is projected to be weak on talent. We made most of our deals before the deadline to fill holes because of long-term injuries to key players(Markov and Gorges), so we were basically dealing from a position of weakness in getting the players we did get (Wiz, Sopes) in return. IMHO, I think PG did a pretty good job considering the position he was placed in with the injured players we had. We are not a contending team like the Canucks that can roll the dice and go for it this year. The Habs are a middle-of-the-pack team. That is what worries me most as a fan. I fear that if the playoffs are shorter than last year, then this team could be sellers next trade deadline day. And I could really care less what Baldy Maguire, Darren Dragqueen and Dufus Duthie think of the Habs. They are ALL laff supporters who hate the Habs imho!

  620. ManApart says:

    I mostly agree with what you said. The question is why are the Habs STILL a middle of the pack team, after 7 years of BG and PG? Wasn’t there some kind of 5 year plan Gainey had, when he came ob the job? Maybe it’s time for all of them to just be fired, so we can get some people in place who can actually get this team to the top.

  621. icemachine says:

    Would have liked if the Habs could have made a move to get a power forward, but I expect PG did not want to trade any of his young corps to make that sort of acquisition, and no one wanted to take on Gomez or AK without a blue chip prospect.

    Its time to switch to whiskey, we’ve been drinkin’ beer all night

  622. joeybarrie says:

    Because AK’s salary is high, I don’t think we have to give 10%. I think we simply have to match it.

    If another team offers a sheet I think we get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks… NOT BAD.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  623. G-Man says:

    AK worth 2 to 2.25mil. His production rates this maximum.

    I hate players that play 30 games a year and are paid big bucks, like Kovalev. Do NOT pay AK46 for being invisible 3 out of 4 nights.

  624. Former Jets Fan says:

    The 10% raise only applies to players making near the league minimum.  Players who make a little more must be qualified at 105%.  Players who make over 1 million (though that figure may rise in accordance with the cap and my sources are from 2009) only need to be qualified at 100%.  So, there’s no pay cut, but he’s not owed a raise.

  625. CanadienBoy says:

    IF he can keep lulu off Price net ,he will be fine by me

  626. Ian Cobb says:

    We needed 8 D. We had only 7D, 3 right side and 4 left with Picard.

  627. ed lopaz says:

    I was glad to see Weber out there against Carolina, Mark.

    Good call on your part.


    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  628. Mark C says:

    Depth. This team has already lost two and maybe three D for the year and have a few older bodies back there. Odds are good that there will be a few more injuries.

    Also, most years 2-4 players from the 5th round make it to the NHL, very low cost.

  629. ed lopaz says:

    I think Mara will play against the bigger teams like Boston and Philly.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  630. Tobiass says:

    Unfortunately this is a business for some people, and a playoff series means almost 100% profit, so yeah, management will make moves to get us there without selling off the farm

  631. The Cat says:

    Mara was a dumb move, no one can explain that one to me.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  632. LA Loyalist says:

    Mara was an emergency situation and knew our team. Not sure what else PG could have done without bringing up utter kids from Hamilton which is not good for anyone.

    I have plenty of concern about PG, but I think his moves for our D, Wiz, Mara, Sopel, will work out pretty well.

    It’s the front end that worries me profoundly now.

  633. G-Man says:

    Pitts w/o Malkin and Crosby are going nowhere htis playoff. Washington has never been good enough. Boston since 72! Philly since 75!

    You picked some real winners there.

  634. S_Dot says:

    That move wouldn’t make the team better, he plays on average 10 mins a game, JM likes to roll 4 with the frequent benching of a line for a mistake late in the game, that doesn’t fit in with our strategy…also he’s minus -9 while only playing 10 mins a game on a team that’s only -7, which isn’t too bad, so he’s not too defensive which JM’s 3/4th lines seem to be focused on. Don’t see it as a good move for a rental.

  635. Paulin98C says:

    No. Hence the “”

  636. HardHabits says:

    So you admit we have junk.

  637. Paulin98C says:

    That’s because we havent traded “our junk” for first round picks….

  638. Tobiass says:

    lol, somebody’s got a case of the grumpies today

  639. HardHabits says:

    You don’t know sh*t either.

  640. observer says:

    hasnt won a cup? he hasnt ever even got to a stanley cup finals SERIES!

  641. Tobiass says:

    um I dont know you…

  642. habsfan0 says:

    Takes one to know one.

  643. Bugs says:

    And after a statement like that, you STILL get knocked???

    That’s weird…

  644. Ton says:

    we often look at what others have and overlook our assets. you make it sound like we have nothing. we have a solid core . its starts in net with carey price.bulldogs are still winning and they have been drained by the big team. come on be optimistic.

  645. adamkennelly says:

    PG’s job is to make this team better – he did not get the job done today. He backfilled holes with JV versions w/ Sopel and Mara – but nothing to address our holes up front and they are glaring.

    I would have taken Winchester for a 3rd rounder – that would have helped.  baby steps.


  646. bleublancrouge says:

    Uh… Brad Boyes for a second round pick… there is the most obvious move

  647. S_Dot says:

    Just a question for those angry at PG…what forward out there that was traded today would you have wanted and would they be worth more than the price they were traded for? The answer is absolutely not…

    We don’t have assets…I hate to break to everyone, we don’t have a solid farm system with players that other teams want, no one wants Gomez’s contract and no one want’s AK now when they can probably pick him up in the offseason in a trade for a nominal amount for his rights. 

    We have nothing to offer besides picks and the market was outrageous for buyers this year…PG was smart to stand pat and go with the guys in the room. PHI/BOS pulled away in the arms race this year and yes they can be beat but why take a risky chance to mortgage the future? 

    If we’re going to beat anyone in the playoffs it’s going to be on the shoulders of Carey and the guys in the room that need to step up. 

    I’m glad we didn’t overreact and at least we’ll have some flexibility (although in a weak FA class) to make some moves and bolster a solid core

  648. savethepuck says:

    You obviously don’t get my point.  Who replaces AK now for the last 19 games and our playoff run?

  649. ed lopaz says:

    SF, reaction time and decision making – ya – that’s called hockey IQ.

    When we have the puck, he has no clue.

    no clue how to find the open space.

    no clue how to cylce the puck properly.

    he usually ends up bumping into one of our own players.

    out of our forwards, he is by far the lowest hockey IQ out there.

    by far!!

    there’s a reason why there is no market for him.

    there’s a reason why Boone is constantly noting that AK is playing terrible.

    there are reasons why he has terrific talent and can not produce consistently.

    I’m not tallking about back check.

    anyone who knows how to skate can back check

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  650. LA Loyalist says:

    You actually make an interesting point indirectly – – would AK do better with a center other than Gomez and maybe we should have got a better center for him? Or was that impossible? 

    I know we’re stuck with Gomez.

  651. HardHabits says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn 307GP 82G 92A 174pts .57 pts per game

    Dustin Penner 405GP 126G 112A 238pts .59pts per game

  652. HardHabits says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn 307GP 82G    92A    174pts .57 pts per game

    Dustin Penner 405GP    126G    112A    238pts .59pts per game

  653. LA Loyalist says:

    There’s a difference between an “active” roster player and a roster player.

    No one is saying that AK doesn’t have a pantload of talent. He does. Does he use it enough? That is the question.

  654. andrewberkshire says:

    Ed, take your own advice, he’s been one of Montreal’s best players defensively at ES this entire season. The biggest reason he didn’t produce while on a line with Gomez was that he was always the first man back on the back check while Gomez was taking detours around the net. He was also used earlier in the season at the center position when in the defensive zone when on Lars Eller’s line because of how much JM trusts him defensively now.

    Fyi, there’s nothing more insulting than telling someone to ‘watch the games’ without providing any reason to back up your point. Personally I find it to be the mark of a commenter I usually ignore.

  655. SeriousFan09 says:

    In fairness to Andrei, he’s backchecking very well this season. His issue comes down to more reaction time/decision making, too often he’s slow there and that’s what costs him.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  656. Bob_Sacamano says:

    A 2nd rounder would have been realistic and I am happy Gauthier didn´t decide to do that. I know AK46 can be pretty frustrating but I still have to laugh about all the hate he gets here. He is an inconsistent player, yes but why not get used to it? Would you guys also complain had he less talent while picking up a point every other game instead of having roller coaster seasons? In the end he´ll score 40+ points and that´s certainly not great but although not bad for a 3.25 m player in today´s NHL.

    Neglecting Wisniewski who scored a lot of his points for the Islanders he is still our third best scorer, tied with Gionta who has nearly four minutes more of ice time per game. He has also three more points than that guy who makes more than twice as much money, while being less physical and -19 compared to Kostitsyn´s +4. BTW: AK46 also scored our two last GWGs and has four points in his last three games. Give him and Eller a better winger than Moen and we might have a very decent second (?) line.

  657. ed lopaz says:

    Andrew, watch AK 46 without the puck.

    He has no clue how to play the game.

    no clue.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  658. savethepuck says:

    Why would a playoff team trade an active roster player for a pick, that makes our team weaker. He’s had a few slumps this year but he’s still 5th on the team in scoring. Besides that, I doubt we would get a 1st rounder for him anyway, even a late first rounder.

  659. savethepuck says:

    Why would a playoff team trade an active roster player for a pick, that makes our team weaker. He’s had a few slumps this year but he’s still 5th on the team in scoring. Besides that, I doubt we would get a 1st rounder for him anyway, even a late first rounder.

  660. andrewberkshire says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn is the kind of player smart general managers steal from dumb ones.

  661. Tobiass says:

    LOL AK for a 1st!? You need a telescope instead of glasses my friend.

  662. shiram says:

    Wow really Ak46 for a first rounder? I would have loved that, but I dont know what team could go for that deal.

    In fact I’m pretty sure there is no way that could have happened, Kovalev went for a 7th round pick. Granted AK46 has 6 more points than Kovalev…

  663. Hobie Hansen says:

    A first rounder would have been a real stretch for Kostitsyn…I’d love that deal.

  664. G-Man says:

    A hat trick against Washington in a losing cause. Zip the rest of the playoffs. AK does not deliver the goods.

  665. adamkennelly says:

    duh – another easy choice…lets be honest STL owes us one or two…put em together

    AK, 2nd and 3rd to STL for Backes and Crombeen…or something like that…DONE

  666. S_Dot says:

    4.00 Mil Cap Hit next year for a player who has 26 goals in his last 144 games, great! 

  667. chemic says:

    my plan? i say get out and reach for penner or something equal, take some risk, do something, show a sign to the team that were doing everything possible to win….kinda like that.  

  668. slapshot777 says:

    He may not take a pay cut, but he won’t get a raise either. Ak46 should sign for 1 year and see if he can’t improve on his season where he can make more money. This way it gives both sides a happy medium. It gives AK46 a chance to make more money the following season without being locked in. It gives the Habs organization some breathing room with a little cap room and also a chance to make a better move if they feel they need to, without tying up an opposition team with a long contract.

    Any word on the PG conference, they said around 5 pm.


    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  669. Paulin98C says:

    I’m happy.



  670. andrewberkshire says:

    Your kid hasn’t traded Gomez?

  671. LA Loyalist says:

    EA Sports is a scam. My kid’s NHL 11 has Gomez GOING TO THE NET. I’m going to sue for fraud, I assure you.


    Actually – which console hockey game do you guys like best? The kid has the XBox and Wii.

    I have no idea, I like my tabletop one where you give a penalty by taking off one of the players.

  672. observer says:

    maybe gauthier should try it? he hasnt learned anything in 30 years so far except how not to get to a stanley cup final series! it cant hurt him?

  673. SeriousFan09 says:

    AK is an RFA, he’s eligible for a 10% raise on his last contract rate, so he goes to 3.6 million if the Habs choose to extend him. Which I can live with if he raises his game for the last 20 and has a strong playoff showing.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  674. Tobiass says:

    I dunno man, I think PG might be ready to hop off the AK wagon

  675. ed lopaz says:

    why would AK 46 take a pay cut? please explain.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  676. observer says:


  677. petrov14 says:

    Im okay with the ‘no move-move’.

    Best to keep our picks for the future.

    And im guessing we re-sign AK46 for another 1-2 years in the off-season probably with a small pay-cut.

    ______________________________________ Long live Captain Gionta.

  678. Sportfan says:

    So this was my trade center bored university student in marketing at concordia I decided to talk through that blog with Jay Onrait of course i couldnt get a series question through so by changing into a alias as “Landsnake” (no idea why i picked that name) and I made goofy comment and it got posted at 9:53



    Jay Onrait: 

    Landsnake: “Kate is so pretty but I think Jay is prettier” DAMN RIGHT! DEAL WITH IT BEIRNESS

    I still think Kate Beirness is really pretty haha and Jay is super funny but in all honesty Kate beats Jay 😛 It was cool of him to answer

  679. petrov14 says:


    ______________________________________ Long live Captain Gionta.

  680. Tobiass says:

    And your plan is….?

  681. The Cat says:

    A guy in WWE has the same name, maybe that big centreman finally!

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  682. chemic says:

    drew mcintyre, well this sucks!we waved the white flag on this season, get crushed again by the flyers and try getting bigger and more dangerous in front of the net by the draft? is this the plan…….really, well done Gauthier-Guy, well done!!

  683. The Cat says:

    A trade involves players that arent working out to their potential…doesnt mean they suck, just that another environment might do them good. I think most people understand this, and dont figure that trading real junk will equate to getting elite players. Mostly its about filling a need.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  684. observer says:

    yeah right, only gms of pitts, wash, bost, phil, in most years, etc, etc know how to make deadline day or in this case last 2 weeks worth of deals year after year to BETTER THEIR TEAM FOR THE RUN!

  685. RGM says:

    EA Sports has been training everybody to be a future NHL GM for years.

    Go Habs Go!

  686. HardHabits says:

    Way to generalize. Why do you even bother coming here then? So you can put us all in our place?

    Get real. The Habs could have at least unloaded AK for a 1st rounder if not more.

    Picking up Drew MacIntyre for Festerling is akin to shuffling patio chairs on the Titanic.

    Vancouver is closer than the Habs are.

    Maybe you should check the prescription on your blue-blanc-rouge lenses.

  687. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Younger fans always think the GM can just pick up a phone, make a trade with anybody, anytime and, of course, the other teams will just roll over and give up their better players for our junk. And then if it turns out that they haven’t somehow been able to talk Washington out of Ovechkin for a 2nd rounder, they’re obviously incompetent. It’s nice to be young but that’s why most GMs are over 40.   

    Vancouver gets Laps and Higgins? They ain’t winning the cup this year either.   

  688. SeriousFan09 says:

    Nyquil’s an easier sleep aid my friend.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  689. RGM says:

    Anybody know if the Gauthier presser will be on RDS?

    Go Habs Go!

  690. Tobiass says:

    And you record of being an idiot is well intact…

  691. habsfan0 says:

    Gauthier has won 0 Stanley Cups. He obviously intends to defend his record.

  692. The Cat says:

    Vancouver get lapierre and higgins.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  693. vic says:

    Wait till next year