Unlikely hero Neil pulls Senators even with Rangers

Chris Neil

Overtime hero Chris Neil (right) celebrates his winner with teammate Nick Foligno, who had sent the game into extra time, Saturday in New York.
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Hands up: who had Chris Neil in their overtime pool of those most likely to give the Ottawa Senators a 3-2 win against the New York Rangers on Saturday?

That many, huh?

Well, it was Neil who pulled the trigger at Madison Square Garden, sending the two teams back to Ottawa tied at 1-1 in their Eastern Conference quarterfinal series.

Elsewhere Saturday:

• Nicklas Backstrom scored in double OT to give the Washington Capitals a 2-1 win over the hometown Boston Bruins and a 1-1 tie in that series.
• Blues goalie Jaroslav Halak, who left the game after being splattered by teammate Barret Jackman, combined with replacement Brian Elliott to blank the San Jose Sharks 3-0 in a slugfest in St. Louis, that series now 1-1.
• And Bryan Bickell scored midway through the first OT in Phoenix to lift the Chicago Blackhawks to a 4-3 win over the Coyotes, that series now tied 1-1.

By the way: in Burlington, Vt., Team Canada surrendered a 3-1 lead before beating Team USA 5-4 in overtime at the IIHF women’s world championship, this a week to the day after the Americans plastered Canada 9-2.

698 Comments

  1. twilighthours says:

    Vancouverhab, could you describe how Jacques Martin’s coaching record is better than vigneault’s?

  2. The Cat says:

    Habs should try and see if they could get Malkin for Price.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  3. shootdapuck says:

    Double post!

  4. shootdapuck says:

    Whaaaa!

    The CBC execs now have to face the prospect of Ottawa being their last hope for playoff TV ratings!

  5. shootdapuck says:

    What’s bet that the NHL mandated late penalty decides this game?

    Bad ice or not!

  6. naweed235 says:

    LOL… anyone else caught that guy in the stands? he is wearing a shirt that has “Sedin Sisters… 2 girls No cup” on it.

  7. shootdapuck says:

    Now Hugheson is whining that the ice is bad for his blue team!

    Same ice for both teams.

    No?

  8. shootdapuck says:

    Anyone reckon Dmen should be using wood sticks for reliability?

    These composites are a disaster!

    • Stev.R says:

      I went through 7 wood sticks in a month, and then I got a composite stick and it lasted over a year. Composite sticks are ten times stronger, but when they break it’s a clean break whereas wood sticks just crack or splinter. It looks worse on tv, but wood sticks break more often.

      • The Cat says:

        Granted its been years since I played and I wasnt on D so I wasnt teeing up as often, and maybe the quality isnt there anymore, but I used to go through 2-3 wooden sticks per year.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • shootdapuck says:

        Stronger but much more brittle.

        Any nick on the shaft will promote shattering.

        =================================================
        The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”

  9. habsfan0 says:

    If Vancouver loses in opening round to LA,there’s a chance that Alain Vigneault will be fired. I wonder how many people would like to see him back as HC of the Habs?

    • Timo says:

      Would be unfair until they try the entire year and playoffs with Schneider.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Should have never been fired in the first place given the crap he had to work with. He’s probably one of the best speaking coaches in the NHL I’d love to see him back.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Vigneault is a loser in Vancouver so we should hire him here?

      What the Hell is wrong with people here: let’s hire a winning coach. In fact rehire JM first, with a WAY better NHL record than Vigneault.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Depends what you mean by loser.

        In Vancouver his team has won its division every year but one and the entire league two years in a row.

        You could also argue that on paper it isn’t that great a team. A very solid team with a few stars, but not as talent-laden as some others.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  10. durocher says:

    Hate to say it, but there’s no way our 2011-12 Habs would be able to match the intensity and physicality that has defined the playoffs thus far. Watching the Flyers/Pens games in particular reminds me how soft the team is overall, and how badly we need to step up physically, Staubitz, White, Moen, and Blunden notwithstanding.

    • hablifting says:

      Cox opinion on physical play in is something the NHL would be smart to stay FFAAAARRRR away from. The guy is a limp wristed baby. Cries about every borderline play. These last few days of hockey have been the best I’ve had the good fortune to watch in a really long time. He’s welcome to his opinion, but it has zero place in hockey imo.

      • Timo says:

        I love this year’s playoffs, don’t get me wrong. I don’t know if it’s because i’ve been watching Habs all year long or what but hockey is great. But, there are many truly dirty hits that have been either unpenalized or given a joke of a suspension.

        • durocher says:

          Yep — it’s not about physical play, it’s about the inconsistency in the discipline of it.

          Weber should have been suspended for 2 (even though he’s Weber); Hagelin and Bitz should have been suspended the same, about 3 games (even though Alfredsson is a star); Carkner should have been suspended a couple. Neal should be gone for a game for his hit on Couturier (leaving his feet, targeting the head, plain interference).

        • hablifting says:

          To this I agree. Asham needs to get a good chunk of games for his OBVIOUS attempt to injure. Some of these hits are “dirty” only so much as they are borderline due to the speed of the game.

      • Rob says:

        “limp wristed baby”. nice

        The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

      • boing007 says:

        Go jump in a cage with Brock Lesnar.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • NCRhabsfan says:

        From reading the consistent tone of your comments across this thread, I certainly hope you’re not one of the people that was weeping and moaning over the Chara hit on Max-Pac, because that is clearly the type of hockey you advocate. Logically speaking then, you must be steadfastly opposed to drafting a Yakupov or Grigorenko in the upcoming draft, since the type of hockey you like would be better suited with a violent player with a long history of inflicting serious, career-threatening injuries on other players. The Habs could make you happy by trading their third overall pick for 10 or 11 6th and 7th round picks and simply fill the team with thugs. They might not win much, but they would hurt a lot of guys on other teams.

        The best hockey you’ve ever seen…has anyone actually played any hockey in the last few days. I’ve seen a lot of stupid scrums, some really nasty knee-on-knee hits, some head shots, but any hockey was incidental to everything else going on. What a shame the NHL decided to go UFC.

  11. Timo says:

    How the hell was that charging?

  12. CHicoHab says:

    In 2006 draft we took David Fischer,(defense) 20th overall. Philly took Giroux,22nd………Ouch!!!!

    “take your time and hurry up”

  13. shootdapuck says:

    Hugheson and Simpson must be confused by the blue uniforms.

    They’re making excuses equal to what you’d expect from them for a Laffs game!

    • D Mex says:

      Possible, but unlikely. Jim Hughson lives on the Semiahmoo Peninsula, about 30 minutes south of Vancouver.

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

      • shootdapuck says:

        Where he lives is immaterial he is following the HNIC script to excuse the “chosen” teams no matter what.

        What about Simpson where does he live? What’s his excuse?

        There is no connection to where these HNIC bozos live and what comes out of their mouths.

        Look at Stock he lives in Montreal!

        =================================================
        The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”

        • TomNickle says:

          There is actually a very significant connection in the Hughson case. He was the Canucks RSN play by play caller for years and has local ties to the community.

          He is as biased as Dean Brown is with the Sens and Jack Edwards with the Bruins.

          • shootdapuck says:

            If there is a significant connection to where a broadcaster lives and his bias how do you explain Cole, Stock, Friedman, Francis and of course Maclean?

            Biased as Jack Edwards?

            Impossible, Edwards is a blind buffoon.

            Hughson just follows the HNIC script; dump on any team not wearing blue!

            ….and when the favoured blue team is loosing make endless on air excuses for them.

            =================================================
            The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

            “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
            “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”

  14. SuperHabFan says:

    Don’t normally agree with Stock, but he was bang on talking about Crosby. His team getting ejected because of his between the whistle “extra curricular’s” And also if you look at all the scrums NONE of the Flyers went for his head… yet clear headshots on Giroux. Who would have ever thought Class and Flyers together?

    • Timo says:

      Crosby’s lucky Pronger’s not playing. I see 2-3 crosschecks to the head minimum

    • Habsolutely says:

      Yes, because Pittsburgh is the ONLY team in the NHL where players step in to protect their star players. lol, you Crosby haters are hilarious.

      • SuperHabFan says:

        I don’t hate crosby at all just agreeing with Stock… for once. Also you’re telling me it’s worth it to hit Voraceks glove only to get Letang ejected? you serious?

      • hablifting says:

        Any other player does what Crosby was doing and it’s “great job standing up for yourself, etc etc..” Crosby does it and he’s a punk. Best player in the world, by far and I guess he has to put up with all this jealousy.

        • SuperHabFan says:

          Did you even watch the game? where does that comment come from? The whole point of what Stock said was that crosby’s the one who started all crap between the whistles to begin with .. then because of that other players jumped in which ended in ejections. No ones arguing his talent. He is clearly rattled. At the same time where is Malkin. Neal playing alright but his cheap head shot to Giroux was just plain dirty

          • hablifting says:

            I watched that entire game. It was clearly both sides doing it. The glove thing pushed it for sure, but who cares? I would have done much worse. I can understand hating your opponent to that degree. Easy for us to comment from the safety of our basements right?

            If you watch the post game videos of the Flyers, not a one of them (that I saw) was overly annoyed with what was going on. They called it “good, intense playoff hockey”. Thats all I need to hear.

          • Habsolutely says:

            You mean like when the Philly players jumped in on anyone who went near Giroux? You mean like pretty much EVERY NHL team when players step in to protect their stars? lol. Gotta love your selective reasoning. You Crosby haters are pretty hilarious.

          • SuperHabFan says:

            Guys, its a freakin analysis of what happend. No ones hating on anyone. A statement saying that one dumb move led to their best defencemen getting ejected early in the game. geez And Habsolutely Letang, Asham and Adams all got ejected for jumping in to help. I’m all about helping your teammates, you have to, but when good players are getting ejected for it you gotta rethink your reasons for starting it in the first place

      • D Mex says:

        Sidney ” do-you-know-who-I-am ?” Crosby …

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

        • Habsolutely says:

          Lucic said “do you know who I am”. Not Sid. But from what I see, all the immature little couch potatoes who cry about Sid don’t need reality and facts on their side. And the guy above is saying it’s true because PJ Stock say’s so!!

          hahahahahahahahahaha. This place is better than going to an improv club. too funny.

          • hablifting says:

            You should know by now that people liking the same team as you does not mean they will have a brain in their heads. Sad but true.

          • Lizardking89 says:

            Well Crosby won’t be around long enough for anyone to discuss Flyers are going for the sweep. Yes Crosby is the best player in the world but he doesn’t have the class Gretzky or Lemieux had in their primes. You wouldn’t see either of them pulling a stunt like pushing Voracek’s glove away.

            He’s a very immature kid and when things aren’t going his way on the ice he either cries to the refs or pulls stupid stunts like this. His team needs him to step up and lead this team not start shit and so far he hasn’t done much of the former and more than his fair share of the later.

          • Habsolutely says:

            you don’t know squat. Pittsburgh is losing because of their horrid D and Fleury crapping the bed. Yet you Crosby hating slugs still have to try and blame Crosby. You people don’t know diddlly about hockey.

  15. SlovakHab says:

    It just blows my mind what made MAF 1st overall pick in 2003??

    2002–03 Cape Breton Screaming Eagles QMJHL 51 17 24 6 2889 162 2 GAA 3.36 SV% .910

  16. Clay says:

    Another head shot to a Sedin…both out with concussions now? Sometimes this sport disgusts me.

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    • SuperHabFan says:

      wasn’t a head shot look at it again

    • hablifting says:

      Zero chance of a suspension. Not late, not to the head, no jump…nothing. Great hit. Great game. Enjoy it, it isn’t going to change.

    • punkster says:

      May not have been a targeted head shot but I agree. Unnecessary hit really with only one intent; to put Sedin out of the game.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • SuperHabFan says:

        regardless of intent there is nothing wrong if it is a clean hit. All hits are necessary and should be attempted, just as long as it doesn’t put you out of position

        • Clay says:

          Morality aside – I want to see the better team win games. Not the most brutal or ‘tough’. We have the UFC for that. I want to see the best players play.

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          • boing007 says:

            Agree 100%. The best players playing top notch hockey, not all locked up in the quiet room or watching the rest of the games from a hospital bed. Who wants to pay hundreds of dollars a ticket to watch 3rd and 4th line players fight for the cup?

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  17. otter649 says:

    Cheap shot by Brown on Sedin – No call but then Vancouver is used to no calls……

    • hablifting says:

      Great hit. Love it.

    • Duracell3 says:

      I thought it wasn’t too bad, not charging he glides into it. Stays on his feet, shoulder to chest. Doesn’t actually hit his head, and if he does it certainly isn’t the principle point of contact.

      The only thing is that perhaps he drives his elbow into his chest (not unlike Keith, except that not to the head), but I didn’t see an angle from where the Canuck’s bench would be to see that. He seemed fine after.

      Burrows should have moved his ass to get onside so Henrik could get rid of the puck.

  18. Timo says:

    Did anyone else feel like Sid was going to cry during that interview? Go Caps!!!

  19. shootdapuck says:

    Buttman institutes a gag order on officiating and then condones the use of the myopic Chris Lee in the post season!

  20. shootdapuck says:

    Stock sporting another new clip-on!

    True fashionisto!

  21. HardHabits says:

    The Little Napoleon has ordered an enforced gag order for all coaches and organizations concerning play-off refereeing.

    • Chuck says:

      If they had consistent refereeing, there wouldn’t be the need of any gag order. Once again the NHL tries to cure the symptom, not the disease.

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      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

      • HardHabits says:

        If the disease was skin cancer they aren’t even treating the symptom. They are just applying a masking skin cream to hide the blemish. Friggin’ unreal.

  22. Chuck says:

    Sooo… who’s the worse ‘big money’ goalie: Fleury or Luongo?

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    Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • Bill says:

      Well, Fleury has a Cup, so it’s not him. But Luongo is the better goalie, so it’s not him either.

      I’m gonna go with Rick Dipietro.

      People act like Luongo is this big choke artist. Like, what, the Canucks would’ve won the Cup last year with a different goalie? They scored 8 goals in seven games. Uh, no. Won Gold at Olympics too.

      Fleury is a good goalie too … wasn’t the reason the Pens won the Cup, but he was the goalie, and you can’t take that away from him. This Penguins series has been a nightmare for them. They’re way off their game plan, playing stupid, and the Flyers have had amazing bounces.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Habsolutely says:

        I think Bryzgalov has a good chance to win the cup.

        As long as Philly scores more than 5 goals every game. ;-)

      • Shane1313 says:

        Always been a fan of Luongo, he gets a lot of slack, but Vancouver hasn’t helped him any. Always had ridiculous pressure. It’s good to know some of you aren’t just tough on our habs :p

    • Timo says:

      My dislike for Fleury goes back to when he cost junior team Canada gold medal against the US I believe.

  23. kempie says:

    So I finally just saw PJ Stock’s adult diaper commercial. I saw somebody mention it here a few days ago and I doubted that they were being serious. Believe me folks, this is no joke. It’s a real thing and it’s something that cannot be unseen.

  24. Mattyleg says:

    Sooooo, like, what’s the deal with the rats in Flordia, like?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Duracell3 says:

      Someone killed one in the locker room and then they won….somehow that translates to throwing plastic ones on the ice.

      I almost feel like the fans brought their own tonight, each one looked different

    • Habsolutely says:

      The Panthers are based out of Sunrise, they used to be based out of Miami and their building was a run down rat hole. In the 96 Stanley cup finals Scott Mellanby saw a rat scurry across the dressing room floor and killed it with his stick, he then scored two goals with the same stick. The fans picked up on it and the rat thing was born. kinda like the octopus in Detroit, but I’m not sure why they throw octopus?

      • kempie says:

        Same thing with the octopus I think.

        No really I think it goes back to a time when it took a total of 8 wins to win the cup.

        • Chuck says:

          Correct. The first time it happened, you needed 8 wins to win the Cup. 8 wins… 8 legs. And I guess it was easier to toss one octopus onto the ice instead of 4 people.

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          • Clay says:

            Rats, Octopi…Nothing will ever top the Lyle Odelein ‘fish glove’ :D

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        • Trisomy 21 says:

          Lol that made me laugh

  25. Stev.R says:

    PIT’s Craig Adams assessed instigator final 5 mins of PIT-PHI. That’s auto 1 game suspension for him and $10K fine for Bylsma…UNLESS…
    …NHL Hockey Ops chooses to rescind the instigator if NHL doesn’t feel it was violation of spirit of anti-message-sending intent of rule.
    Translation of last tweet (haha): If NHL thinks Bylsma/Pens were trying to send late game message with Adams fight, suspension/fine stay.
    If NHL thinks it was just something that happened and wasn’t orchestrated for effect, it will usually rescind the instigator.

    As per Bob Mckenzie

  26. Duracell3 says:

    Oh man. Florida. Talk about blowing a lead…

  27. ABHabsfan says:

    Schneider in for Canucks tonight; if he wins then wins again leading the Canucks back to the CF or even the Cup Final, how do you trade a $6.7M back-up goalie? Hello? MLSE? Can I speak to Mr. Burke please?
    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  28. habsfan0 says:

    The Penguins aren’t as bad as they’ve shown so far in the series.
    Call it a hunch,but I think they’ll mount some type of a comeback against Philly. I’m not saying they’ll win the series, but a team that played the way Pittsburgh did during the regular season,the vast majority of it without Crosby,is too good to go out in 4 straight.

    As far as Fleury is concerned, maybe we don’t know the full story..maybe he’s injured,maybe he’s preoccupied..rumour has it this Titanic sinking really has him upset.

    • 123456 says:

      pittsburgh is a good team, but philly is good as well – they and the rangers are the class of the east.

    • JUST ME says:

      I don`t know. Saw them go all the way but too many strange things happening. I think that the flyers rose their level of intensity one notch but the Pens did not .
      I do not see why they would go with Fleury if he was injured ,does not make sense. Flyers got under their skin and they are acting as if they are outside of their game now. They won`t be on top if they play the intimidation game with the flyers. Not the way it was done this afternoon(sunday) .
      Both teams are loaded with talent but i find the flyers can explode any time and hurt you. Am very much surprised but i guess this is playoff !

  29. 123456 says:

    I have to say I wish Weber was a hab (the good Weber) but not giving him a suspension is a disgrace to the game. Shanahan is a puddy. For those of us who play the game and coach the game it’s a sad day when a player can intentionally drive anothers head into the boards and crack his lid. Shame on you Shanahan – Sha-nan-no-balls

    • HardHabits says:

      These play-offs have the most fighting I have seen in a first round that I can remember. The Blues-Sharks game also ended with a general melee.

      • 123456 says:

        fighting i like, hard hits i like, cheap shots to the head i do not like.

        i also think this year more so than ever the on ice calls are terrible – how ,any tickytack penalties do you see called and the bad stuff let go? and i’m not even biased with the habs out

        • HardHabits says:

          Zetterberg cheap shotted Weber with a stick to the ribs when going into the corner. Weber retaliated. It was excessive in my opinion but it wasn’t entirely unprovoked.

  30. Marc10 says:

    Claude Giroux. Wow! What a player…

    I can’t believe how well the Flyers are doing with their D/goaltending.

    Holmgren should get GM of the year. Talbot and Jagr were solid pick ups and the way he shored up the D without the big man back there is impressive.

    The Flyers should be good for a very long time with this guy at the helm – especially if they replace Pronger with Suter in the off season…

    • naweed235 says:

      they are scary deep on offence and mostly with young players…
      Right now they have potentially 10 first liners in:
      Giroux, Simmonds, Hartnell, Jagr, Briere, Couturier, Van RimsDyk, Vorascek, Schenn and Read

      • HardHabits says:

        I said that today after watching the game. That the Flyers have 9 players that could be on any other teams 1st line. That is sick depth.

      • Mark C says:

        Isn’t this just a wee bit of an exaggeration? I’d say only Giroux and Hartnell are legit 1st liners now. Jagr isn’t anymore, odds are Briere won’t be again (35 next season). Read is unlikely to ever be one. Schenn and Couturier have that upside, but are likely at least a few years away. Simmonds, Van Rimsdyk, and Voraeck? Maybe one or two of them reaches that level. That said, you are more than right about the Flyers forward depth, it is very impressive.

    • Clay says:

      While I agree with much of what you say, I’m not certain you can say that they ‘shored up the D’ when they let in 5 goals last night :)

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  31. Bill says:

    Here’s my crazy trade proposal. Plekanec and Price for Malkin and Fleury. Pens save cap space to sign Staal and upgrade in goal. Habs get superstar centre and a Quebecois goalie with a ring. Makes sense for both teams?

    BTW I love Price and Pleks.

    • mrhabby says:

      That would be a steal for us….

      Fleury and price are equal.
      Malkin is super star.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        A steal? Fleury behind the Habs defense and we will all be begging for Racicot. Fleury may be the most over-rated goalie EVER to play. And that’s saying something with Luongo in the league.

        “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
        Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

        • mrhabby says:

          OK..while I think about this again..it may not be a complete steal but we win due to Malkin.

          • ABHabsfan says:

            Agree, Malkin IMO is the best player on skates right now ( though the Pens are crapping themselves) Shore up the D a bit, Fleury can back-up Budaj and you maybe on to something!

            “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
            Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I would make that trade in a heartbeat (and Pleks is my #1 Hab).

      “I’m not opposed to trading Desharnais and/or Subban”
      - RiverviewCanadien

    • punkster says:

      Fleury? Better check the catnip box Bill. I suspect there may be a hole in the bottom and some of it landed in your spaghetti sauce.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Marc10 says:

      Hmmm… That’s a good one.

      I don’t rate Fleury after seeing fold again, but Gino as a first line center. You’d have to do it.

      They’d probably want our draft pick with that. Do a swap for their draft pick and hopefully you can pick up Malcom Subban and you’re suddenly adding depth to goaltending…

      Can you imagine Patches-Malkin-Cole! And what a PP with Markov and Subban! That would be sick.

      With Sid’s health issues, I don’t think Pittsburg would take the risk. They’d be out in the cold if #87 sustained another injury (which sadly is very, very likely…)

      • Bill says:

        They’re in no position to ask for the draft pick and that shouldn’t be on the table.

        That’s a team at almost 65 million payroll next season with 18 players signed. Crosby and Stall are both UFA the year after. Pleks and Price instead Fleury and Malkin saves them 4-5 million bucks on the cap.

        Fleury is not as bad as he’s shown in this series, but they’ll want a change in net and who’s going to give them a better goalie in return than the Habs? And Pleks gives them a versatile co-#2 centre along with Staal.

        It’s a good deal for Pittsburgh: Habs get the better player, but Pens get the better pieces. Now, what they REALLY need is a Subban, but he’s not on my trade list.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Marc10 says:

          It’s an interesting deal. There’s no doubt that if they keep Malkin, they’ll lose Staal. That’s going to happen… of course depending on what happens with Sid and his health.

          With the cap numbers as they are, the Pens are in an impossible situation. They either get Sid back to full strength and ship Gino or Staal or they lose Sid and keep the other two… but that would mean losing Sid permanently (not something any hockey fan would want…)

          So yep, your proposal has merit. On ya for thinking it up. It’s not far fetched and I’m curious to see what the Pens do with all those assets assuming there’s no lock out and the CBA is roughly the same upon renegotiation.

          Yes the Pens obviously need an upgrade on D, but I don’t think they need a Subban per say with Letang around. What they’re missing is Big Hal and Scuderi… And you can find those around the League if you look hard enough. We’ll see if they blame the loss on Fleury. But you’re right, they’re going to need to find a way to ship a high priced center…

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      The question in my mind is whether the Habs would be able to challenge the Pens if they met in the playoffs with that trade. Sure, the Habs would have Malkin for offense (unless he goes cold), but would Fleury do well behind a more suspect defense (at least for now) and behind an offense that is definitely not #1 in the NHL (as is the case for the Pens) or near #1 (since Malkin would undoubtedly boost the Habs’ offense).

      With Price, the Pens would have a better goaltender in the long run I believe (sure, he doesn’t appear to as solid on breakaways as Fleury) and they would still have great offensive depth with Neal, Crosby, Staal and I bet Pleks would put up more points than with the Habs, plus he would help on the PK.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If the Pens put Malkin on the market they will get a lot more than that.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Bill says:

        But they have to watch their cap space, which limits what they can take back. They can’t, for example, trade Malkin for three amazing high-salary players.

        They could ask for an awesome package of picks and prospects … but I don’t think they’re looking to rebuild, y’know?

        What they would want is an upgrade in goal and either a good centre to fill that hole in their roster or a great defenceman. They would like to save some cap space as well.

        I dunno, maybe they can find a way to squeeze Crosby, Malkin, and Staal on that team after Staal is a UFA in two years. But more likely one of those guys has to go. And they’re not going to get two players like Pleks and Price for Staal and Fleury …

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • nolts says:

          So…if were fishing a bit here…Chicago needs goaltending and I think I’d rather have Toews than Malkin

          • Bill says:

            Yeah, but their cap situation is not as pressing, they have no significant UFAs in the next two years (Pens have Crosby and Staal), and also Toews is their Crosby, and they don’t have a Malkin and Staal behind him. Toews is not as “expendable” to the Hawks. The Pens have three awesome centres and need to move one … same can’t be said for Hawks.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • nolts says:

            Agreed but dreamers dream….

  32. Steven says:

    Are people finally seeing that Fleury’s overrated? Unbelievable how bad he’s been.

    If there’s anyone that’s to blame for the Pens 3-0 hole, it’s surely Fleury.

    I think someone mentioned some time ago that Fleury’s the goalie you can count on for the big save. Carey over Fleury any day.

    That said, I’m gonna go out and say PHI vs one of NSH, DET or VAN(Totally dependent on if they can stop sucking)

  33. Bill says:

    Hagelin suspended for three. Seems about right, but lots of similar hits aren’t punished the same way. I’m as confused as ever.

    • The Jackal says:

      The NHL is ridiculous in this respect, they suspend Hagelin, which is good, but not Weber? You know what, Hagelin is not a key player or star, but Weber is… and there is the answer. The NHL is afraid to suspend a player that is a star player, specially in the playoffs. They’ll do it in the regular season but you notice they get different treatment than other players. It’s such a joke! Je n’aime pas!!!!

    • naweed235 says:

      I think this is how the asses it…
      - Is the victim injured and out as a result of the hit?
      - Is the offender a star player?

    • Stev.R says:

      3 games is fair I guess. For playoff games I expected maybe 2.

      Carkner only gets 1 game which blows my mind. I think attacking a player relentlessly is worse than an elbow. Not to mention Carkner has done the same thing before.

  34. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @HardHabits

    …”I’m not one to say I told You so”
    …Dave, You ARE jesting, non ? :)

  35. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @HardHabits

    …”I’m not one to say I told you do”
    …Dave, You are jesting, non ?

  36. aemarchand11 says:

    Kings Flyers final would be pretty good. Richards and Carter outcasted by the flyers, return to win in 6? “Hollywood Ending” some might say.

  37. HardHabits says:

    I remember a self proclaimed Internet Hockey Expert declare that the Flyers would be a bottom feeder after the Carter and Richards trades and I countered that they would be a contender. I am not normally one to say I told you so. But in this case since this particular ex-commenter was extremely hostile to me it gives me great pleasure to once again affirm that I have schooled the so-called blogger prodigy.

  38. RiverviewCanadien says:

    What is going in PIT? Tired team? Divided room?

    How does Malkin score 109 pts with 50 goals in 75 reg season games, and have none after 3 playoff games?

    What a meltdown.

    “I’m not opposed to trading Desharnais and/or Subban”
    - RiverviewCanadien

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Choke job of epic proportions. Malkin playing with no heart and Fleury can’t stop a beach ball. I’m really liking the Flyers though what a well built team with depth.

    • FanCritic says:

      Riverview – He’s getting hit now, unlike the regular season. one thing to keep in mind. when you build a team build it for the playoffs. like building a house. if you don’t build it for hurricanes you may get a surprise like pittsburgh…. I picked Pittsburgh to win the cup, I don’t think so, they seem to have loss something, like heart, toughness and goaltending…..

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      RE: signature
      I don’t share your opinion, but I love the format. : )

      “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
      - Sean Bonjovi

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Complete plagiarism ;)

        But notice above I too would trade Pleks for the right return. Heck I would trade anyone besides Pacioretty, to make the team stronger.

        “I’m not opposed to trading Desharnais and/or Subban”
        - RiverviewCanadien

  39. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Habs tie-in:
    Every forward on the Flyers’ top three lines can Finish! Whenever any of those players gets a break away, or sees a piece of open net they usually put the puck in the net.
    How many Canadiens forwards put away most of their chances?
    IMO the Habs don’t need more goons like Pittsburgh, they need more goal scorers like Philadelphia.

    “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
    - Sean Bonjovi

    Edit: “usually” and “most” might be slight exagerations

  40. SlovakHab says:

    Markov is 1 hit away from being finished?
    Crosby 1 hit away?

    Maybe people should realize that if the hit is strong enough or the play vicious/dangerous enough, ANY player in this league is 1 hit away from being finished.

    Will this dirty BS ever stop in this league?

  41. Sean Bonjovi says:

    What’s more likely to happen?
    A. Aaron Asham gets a long suspension for cross-checking a player in the face, then punching him in the back of the head
    OR…
    B. The NHL rescinds the instigator penalty issued to Craig Adams at 15:18 of the third period, sparing from the “automatic” one game suspension.

    “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
    - Sean Bonjovi

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      My guess is “B”.

      “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
      - Sean Bonjovi

    • Duracell3 says:

      B. seems automatic and very hard to justify against how textbook his 3rd man was. Asham’s play is I guess debatable but I don’t think they will pass it over. Because of his obvious history I imagine he’ll get a suspension. I think Asham getting something extra is probably more likely simply because of the visibility of it, although I don’t think either will be playing in game 4.

      Which, when you think of it, NOT having Adams or Asham isn’t really any kind of punishment for a team at all.


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