Two LWs make Yahoo list

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Yahoo Sports continues its position rankings, and a pair of Canadiens make the list of Top 25 Left Wings.

Michael Cammalleri is number 9 and Erik Cole is 16th.

AK46 v. Max-Pac

Lions in Winter weighs in  on Gorges

Rating the Canadiens prospects

Stu Hackel on Alexei Yashin

Unsigned and unwanted list

Ryan Callahan: three years, $12.875 million

Khabibulin in gulag: Pretty in pink?

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  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    Still working out posting on my phone, as I was saying…
    4. If relating stats, consult AndrewBerkshire or MathMan to make sure the stats are an approved hockey stat.
    5. If you are discussing Tanking, run it by HardHabits, that is his realm.
    6. If you happen to insult Jack Todd, insert a footnote apologizing to Shiloh for the affront.
    7. Oh and if you link to a stat showing how great an ex-Hab is, prepare for my eventual hammering of how success in MIN means nothing. Or what their playoff stats are like.
    Those are the rules, as per Hobie’s insistence.

  4. SeriousFan09 says:

    It Appears we need new guidelines for posting links, as the infallible Hobie Hansen points out that the review of the top 10 prospects was not an Official HobieHansen approved source. So for the record…

    1. Submit all links to Hobie for first reading.
    2. Run them by Bugs as well, to ensure they are not ripping off official HabsBro scoops.
    3. If they involve Gomez, CC SmartDog’s cardiologist to get approval.
    4. If stats are involvd

  5. durocher says:

    Listen to me now, believe me later:

    Cammy-Pleks-Cole
    MaxPower-Gomez-Gio
    AK46-Eller-Palushaj
    Darche-DD-Moen
    White

    (This is when Eller is healthy; otherwise, DD will take his spot, and White will take DD’s).

  6. McHab4Life says:

    Here’s what I like to see:

    Cammy-Pleks-Cole
    AK46-Eller-Gionta
    Patch-Gomez-desharneis
    darche-white-moen

    Adds size on EVERY line + gives eller an opportunity to establish himself as a 2nd line C

    • naweed235 says:

      i like those lines… I think Gomez has put up good number with Max on his wing and he definitely seemed to connect with Desharnais on those brief play off games they played together… Although Im not sure if Eller is ready for 2nd line duties…

  7. HabsRepresente says:

    How does everyone think Cole is gonna do this season? any idea of who’s line he’s going to be on?

    • SyntaxLove says:

      Never seen him play outside of Carolina (except for that horrible Edmonton excursion) but I think he should be pretty good. We don’t have an Eric Staal but Plek and Cammy should do just fine. He should start with those two, but it all depends on chemistry.

      Chinchillin’

    • Talik Sanis says:

      He is primarily a right wing, though he can play both sides. As Martin would, I believe, be loathed to split up Gomez and Gionta, I imagine that Kosititsyn is destined for the third line, while Cole takes over 1st line RW duties with Plekanec and Cammy.

      Expect to see numerous line changes depending on hot/cold streaks, including Cole being sent to the second line as a left wing with Gomez and Gionta, while Kostitsyn returns to the top line and Pacioretty (who is still developing, while Kostitsyn is proven) is bumped down to play with Eller on the third.

      I try to keep my expectations reasonable. Cole will put up around forty-five points, including twenty goals. His real value will likely lie in his ability to “open up time and space” for the more skilled Plekanec and Cammalleri.

      • HardHabits says:

        Desharnais had chemistry with Pacioretty in Hamilton. I would still be surprised to see them as a pairing. But you never know.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          I agree that the #6 position is Pacioretty’s to lose, but we still don’t know how his injury will affect him physically and psychologically. Martin often shuffles lines when something is not working, and he now has the depth to do it. If Gomez slumps, because he has no chemistry with Kostitsyn and Pacioretty doesn’t play RW (I think), I could see Pacioretty being moved to the third line so that he can feast on weaker competition.

          If he comes back whole and fearless, he brings a perfectly complementary skill set to Gomez and Gionta.

  8. Bugs says:

    To the moderator whose grasp of absurdity is moronically deficient:
    Get bent, power-tripper.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      HAHA! I liked the unedited version better. I think they are out to get you Bugs. It’s not the first time they’ve done it to you.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  9. Psycho29 says:

    My 12-year old nephew is doing 5 days this week at the Jacques Martin Hockey Camp in Rigaud Qc…..I spoke with him tonight, and today Erik Cole, Mathieu Darche and PK Subban made an on ice appearance. He got to speak with PK for a bit, get a photo taken with him and an autograph, and lets just say that PK is his favourite player now….

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      that sounds awesome. i bet hes having the time of his life. pk is a real sport and its hard not to fall in love with him, hes such a nice guy and hes always smiling

    • Mark C says:

      Are you sure it was PK Subban? I mean, I’ve heard here often about the tales of PK’s mistreatment at the hands of Martin. Odd, that PK would go out of his way to support his tormentor. PK isn’t going all Patty Hearst on us, is he?

      • Psycho29 says:

        Are you saying some rumours and information people sometimes post here aren’t true???

        I am heartbroken!!! :-)

        Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

  10. The Dude says:

    My real opinion on Gomez…. I like him”Remember the Habs having bad day’s against him!”and I can’t blame him for nothing that going on. His bad years are caused by the Team being so unbalanced and he’s more than proved himself in the game of hockey.If you bring a knife to a gunfight ,it doesn’t matter what you paid for the knife …you paid too much!
    My problem is I now think the team is softer and that’s not going to work for Gomez this year no matter how hard he tries and on this I hope I’m wrong.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      His first year with us, he was his normal self, and, if anything, we were just as “tough” that year as we were last year, what with White replacing Lapierre’s hitting ability.

      This year, we lost Pyatt, Pouliot, Halpern and Wisniewski, while adding Cole and Yemelin, and we are softer? We lose Hamrlik, who, justly or not, was considered a “soft Euro” by many individuals, and we are softer? Pacioretty returns from injury and White looks to play a full season, and we are softer?

      The problem with Gomez is not team toughness, rather the problem lies in his linemates and his game. In general, these are the things that have held him back in his career. With a grinder, and not a scorer, on his line, he becomes all but useless; defensemen can easily cover one available scoring wingman. Further, Gomez plays an extraordinarily one-dimensional offensive game, while drawing on a specific, easily countered set of moves. These generally involve a rush and a dump or ill-placed cross-ice pass. The weakness in his game was exacerbated by his lack of a second true scoring winger, and his inability to modify his game, chose his passes more wisely or look for opportunities to shoot more often. He needs to look in the mirror, look at some video of his numerous, consistently repeated errors and look to set up a consistent pair of scoring wingers. Gautier has handled the last of these, but the others fall on Gomez.

      All this has little to do with team toughness or a lack thereof, even hough a second scoring winger, a power forward, on Gomez’s line certainly does help.

      Also note that I have not said that we do not need team toughness. I have not claimed that the team is perfect. I have not claimed that the blend of size and skill is unnecessary.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Well put, good post.

      • The Dude says:

        Nice retort but the memory of Scott being the only Hab confronting Chara on the Max Pac indecent tells me different.

        • Tony McLean says:

          Well ‘confronting’ may be the wrong word, I don’t think his health was at risk.

          “Make love not war.”
          – “Cuddles” Martin & “Gandhi” Gauthier

          • Talik Sanis says:

            That kind of “confronting” is pretty much the most you can hope for when Chara is involved. There are only a handful of hockey players who can physically confront Chara and fewer still can actually do much more than break their bones at him.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          Please forgive me, but I’m not entirely sure what your argument means, much less which of my points it’s meant to counter. Tells you what differently? That we were a tougher team last year, though less tough than the year before? That Gomez’s poor season was not due to his flaws or those of his line-mates and their lack of scoring ability? That Gomez does not need to look for the answers inside himself, where they existed all along?

          Further, while I’m sure Chara was crying in his soup when Gomez started mouthing off, do you really believe that no other player had unkind words for him, at the time or later in the game? That was the extent of Gomez’s confrontation.

          Are you saying, then, that our team is too soft because we lack an enforcer, who would have fought Chara in the next period? If so, we are still no softer now than last year or the year before, after we bought out George. We didn’t have an enforcer then and still do not have one now.

          Remeber, I took issue with you stating that our team is softer now than last year and your attributing Gomez’s poor performace to that softness. I did not take issue with the fact that you argued that we need to be tougher; I even acknowledged our team need for toughness.

          • The Dude says:

            You have taking issue of the fact that to play N.H.L. hockey, the Habs or ” any team ” needs to be well rounded which includes tough and I say DAM TOUGH! And I do believe no matter how well you print it up the winner of this years Stanley Cup was a well rounded ,dam tough team” as much as “I freaking hate their guts!” So you can try and convince me all you want on how you view things but I’ll go for the proof “and there’s a plenty “this time.And as far as my feelings that the Habs are softer this year…you can’t prove me wrong till the next season is over,nice try and again really well written.And as far as Chara’s goes and his so called toughness …I figure Lil Doug Gilmore would take Dino down faster then the crap hits the fence. White and Moen can’t be expected to do it all_____again after all this is the BIG LEAGUES! PEACE OUT….

          • Talik Sanis says:

            Very well. I look forward to the day when Yemelin takes off Marchand’s head and helps settle the matter for us.

            Cheers.

      • FishOutOfWater says:

        id like to think were tougher this year then weve been in a while. i expect cole eller ak moen white and subban to all be hitting guys all over the place. whether all of guys are willing to drop the gloves and screw their hands up is a different story especially when our captain gionta and david d play so big for their size (gio one of the shortest in the league not a new fact)

        patches will come back fearless i think hes confident in himself and sees past his injury and thinks of it as a miracle and adobts a born to do this attitude and breaks all expectations. the youth of this team have such a commitment to the sweater and know nothing else but wearing it. the born and raised habs on the team are proud to play for the team. that attitude will light something in gomez as he wants to play well and not be known as dated goods should have motivation to provide the support and production he was supposed to.

        IM NOT CALLING YOU OUT. Just a good segue post

  11. Ian Cobb says:

    56 tickets sold today.
    Anyone else want Summit game tickets? I received 12 more today. Included in the $85 price is a free pass to the Hab’s Hall Of Fame
    First come first serve.
    613-968-9807–Ian

  12. cuzzie says:

    I use an Ipad. What happened to text size?

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  13. thehabsfan29 says:

    Anyone know the exact date that habs tickets go on sale?

  14. Adam says:

    Pretty interesting article about expectations for Gomez. Call me a dumb optimist, but I still think he can turn it around this season.
    On a different note, hockeybuzz drives me nuts. The articles, especially about the Habs, tend to be well written and thought out, but I think we’re all on the same page when it comes to Eklund.
    Anyway, enjoy, and let the Gomez discussions begin anew.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/Scott-Gomez-Under-the-Microscope-shedding-light-on-fan-frustrations/139/37325

  15. 24 Cups says:

    Hansen re-signs for three years with the Canucks.

    • HabsPEI31 says:

      Ian/Shane (too many names posted!), is the preseason sched out? If so, do you have a link? No can find…

      I’d LOVE to res a ticket for the Summit, but don’t have the sched in front of me for my Unit’s trg come fall. Nuts. One downfall of being CF PRes low on the totem poll :)

      P.S. Apologies for the acronyms, I’m coming off crse (course) and still in Army Brain Mode.

      “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

      • Hiya PEI Lad

        I was born and raised in PEI (just West of Alberton in the country). Left home in 1990 to join 2 PPCLI. Retire tomorrow!!!!!

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        20th Day of Rest

        I’m coming in on the 16th so I can take in a few more games, and leaving on the 22nd after the Bruins are in town.

        How long have you been in?

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        • HabsPEI31 says:

          Hey Shane,

          I’ve been in almost two years now. Late start, but better now than never :) You’re from the Island! Cool. I’m from Montreal, but moved here when I was 18, been here now longer than I lived in Montreal.

          Pulling pin, eh? I noticed a previous post or two of yours on your upcoming retirement. 21 years, PPCLI? Dude, that’s hardcore. Enjoy the rest, you’ve earned it. One of my guys just went Regs back in early spring, 2PPCLI. Tough losing one of your most dependable MCpls, but good for him.

          If you’re ever back down this way, Shane, let me know! I’ll pop down to the Reg’t today and get the training schedule. See if I can’t make my way home for the Summit.

          Chris Michaud
          Charlottetown PE
          braveheartpei@hotmail.com

          “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  16. FishOutOfWater says:

    how good is cole on the right side?

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Though he shoots left, he is a natural right winger. This should concern many of our posters; Cole plays like a European.

      • Though I am a goalie, when I play street hockey, I play on the right side and shoot left too.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          In the general conception of North American versus European hockey players, we tend to view left shooting players as being natural left wings. In Europe or with European players (especially Russians), the opposite is often true; if you shoot left, often-times you play right wing. There are exceptions to this, of course, such as Sedin and Zeterberg on the European side and Bobby Ryan on the North American side, but it is just a generalization, after all.

          At any rate, it was merely a joke about the perceived European lack of heart and softness. It “should” worry certain individuals that Cole plays right wing, as is the norm for Russians according to general NA thought, because it implies that he is soft like a European (many of whom are derided by Cherry and some among the HIO “size and grit” crowd).

          • Duracell3 says:

            A lot of it is obviously preference, but in Europe also you have a much harder time getting right handed shooters in general, thus creating a larger opportunity at all age groups to play on your opposite side.

        • FishOutOfWater says:

          hunh i find the same thing too. maybe its cause were so used to having our backs to the net lol.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        He threw 225 hits last season and is a power forward by definition.

        And our best forward Plekanec ‘plays like a European’ and Three of the 5 most talented forwards in the world are (Datsyuk, Malkin, Ovechkin).

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Talik Sanis says:

          Yes. As I said, it was a joke about his handedness and the general perception that Europeans play on the off wing, as well their being soft players.

          The comment was meant to play to the Don Cherry image of the “soft European.” It was supposed to be ridiculous when speaking about Cole (as ridiculous as the image of the soft European is, in and of itself). The league’s best power forward, another soft European, Ovechkin, makes mockery of the idea.

          I had thought that, given that Cole is obviously a power forward, the implications of his being like a “soft European” would clearly be seen to be a joke.

        • Tony McLean says:

          I shall remember Koivu too. But probably not for the same reasons you remember him. 14 goals a year average. The most overrated Canadien of all time.

          “Make love not war.”
          – “Cuddles” Martin & “Gandhi” Gauthier

  17. longtimehabsfan says:

    Boy, that prospect review really blows.

    “It’s a moo point. Like a cow’s opinion, it doesn’t matter. It’s moo.”

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    Nov.18,19,& 20th 2011 Itinerary for our HIO Fan Summit

    Friday evening—Meet and Greet, name tags at Hurley’s pub.

    Saturday–8am Breakfast Chez Cora’s.
    10am Tour Hall of Fame and Bell Center
    Hall of Fame Tour is now included in the price of your tickets.!!!!!!!!!
    3pm Baton Rouge for pre game meal and children’s
    charity raffle.
    7pm Game Hab’s vs Rangers

    After game celebration. the upstairs at Hurley’s pub reserved for us.

    Sunday—-Farewell breakfast and back to the airport for home.

    Hotel rooms– group rate at the Novatel Hotel, info to follow.

  19. Hobie Hansen says:

    One thing I’ve noticed that has become increasingly popular as of late is for HIO posters and even HIO itself to post links to articles or blogs that seems very 2nd rate.

    For instance the above link to “Rating the Canadiens Prospects”
    by Corey Pronman.

    I could be wrong, and I’m sure someone will correct if that’s the case, but who in the heck is Corey Pronman and who gives a darn on how hes rates anything?

    If he were to be posting quotes from NHL scouts from interviews he had done or was somehow involved in hockey himself than maybe it would be a good read.

    Nobody with half a brain cares about some blog or 2nd rate homemade website? The website with the Corey Pronman rankings looks as if it were constructed in his basement on a Saturday night over a couple beers.

    If I were to build some crappy blog site and cut and paste rankings or make them up myself I would never expect anyone to take it seriously?

    A journalist’s job is to interview someone of authority and report that information. Nobody really cares, or at least the shouldn’t, about some blog written by some nobody?

    Just an observation that isn’t intended to offend anybody…

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Pronman is a contributor for ESPN insider actually and gives his opinion like any scout does, how he evaluates NHL upside.

      He is not always right, but he isn’t always wrong either. He takes in a player’s performance and bases his estimations based on what he sees. Like any other scout really, his opinions just are not always popular or going along with ‘the flow’.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HabinBurlington says:

        But is he a genuine scout that actually goes and watches kids play. Or is he a cyber scout who consolidates information and repackages it like he has come up with all this analysis on his own.

        My thought of a scout, is a guy spending his winters in a different rink every night. Most of them in Tukteeuktuk or some other place.

        Not sure you would know or not, but thought I would ask you Serious. Thanks.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Bah, looks very amateur to me.

        Most scouts have played the game to at least a junior level and have very close connections to the game. Was this guy ever a player?

        Real scouts judge players on their skating ability, skills maturity and more. They don’t read stats off the web and watch the draft from home on their couch.

        Unless he’s doing an interview, his opinion really means nothing.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Try reading the comprehensive take he had on his Top 100 for the 2011 Entry Draft. Very professional, with plenty of notes about each player. Not in line with others but he had his reasons and whether you agree or not, you can’t say he’s just posting numbers.

          http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=955

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Its like me going to the Ottawa 67s rink, watching a few games and practices and throwing my list of rankings together. No validity whatsoever.

            If I were to have quotes from coaches and players and wrote an article based on that information, than you have something.

            Otherwise it’s just some nobody’s opinion.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Except well, he’s a professional, followed by fellow professionals and has their respect. Scouts generally don’t follow random people posting made-up stats and amateur opinions.

            What the hell is it about this guy that makes you negative?

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I have nothing against him.

            All I’m saying is that he’s a glorified secretary. His opinion means zero.

            He has no hockey background.

            Any person on the planet, with enough time on their hands, can through a prospect list like that together and a site like HIO should be posting links from professionals not some 2nd rate hack.

            got it?

            A professional is a NHL player, coach, scout….

            What team does he work for? If I go home a build a website and put my opinion on it about prospects and a year later the link to it is posted somewhere does that make me a professional?

          • cuzzie says:

            When addressing prospects you never know. The canadiens were being chastised because Rick Martin and Marcel Dionne were doing better then Guy Lafleur. Now 40 yrs later don’t you think Mr. Pollack made the right choice?

            Stay Thirsty My Friends!

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Well with such a convulted view of how the scouting community works (and the NHL at large) enjoy being secure in your ignorance. He is a professional, he is featured in a sports publication (ESPN Insider) and contributes to a site http://www.puckprosectus.com that has had their own work in actual print. This is like the people who come on here and say “You don’t get it because you’re not ‘French/From Montreal/Been a fan long enough/don’t like fighting’ or so on, your opinion of what ‘makes an opinion worthwhile’ is that of a complete amateur who is obsessed with a game that happened over 5 months ago now and is determined it means the Habs are hopeless for ‘push-back’ when the Bruins are crew of invincible tough guys who watched Cooke end Savard’s career with impunity.

            I don’t go around linking Bleacher Report nonsense. I don’t pick the most favourable reviews of MTL’s prospects. I look around as far as I can for insight into the Habs system and NHL prospects in general to collect data and arrive at my own conclusions. Pronman is not my only resource, nor my top resource, he’s just a scout whose opinion I follow because he has good insights and avoids the foolish projections of “next Steve Yzerman” or “The Next One” and goes for more rational comparisons.

            He doesn’t work for a team, but at the same time not all scouts work for NHL teams and by extension, since they all can’t work for NHL teams they have to work elsewhere ‘in the business’ before their work might get them noticed to be hired to a position of importance.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • Cardiac says:

        You mean ESPN actually covers the NHL?

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

    • Cardiac says:

      An article about Mr. Pronman and his “upcoming site” back in 2010:
      http://www.draftamerica.com/spotlight/nhl-draft-interview-with-corey-pronman

      *EDITS* LMAO! The site isn’t even active anymore!

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  20. JohnnyBEast says:

    Likely posted somewhere, but here are the defensemens rankings
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Looking-ahead-to-2011-12-Ranking-the-NHL-s-top-?urn=nhl-wp9802&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Marky is 12th, not bad considering he didn’t play last year

    • Bripro says:

      You can tell that Suban hasn’t been viewed yet by some. I realize it’s very early in his career, but there are some on that list who are overated, and others under. I’d take PK over most, but especially guys like Phaneuf. He seems to be done already. He’s a far cry from his days in Calgary.

      • Cardiac says:

        He is an honorable mention.

        Brent Burns… really? Alex Pietrangelo… hmmm… he only scored 5 more points than Subban.

        The fact that Pronger and Lindstrom are still on this list and are as high as they are is bogus.

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Don’t know how in the world Alex Pietrangelo is 8th on this list. Dion Phaneuff 15th, not a chance.

      Makes you realize how good our Defence will look if Andrei stays healthy and Gorges recovers as expected. We are in very good shape at the Blueline now and for years to come.

      • DearyLeary says:

        The reasoning on Pietrangelo being so high is 11 goals and 43 points in his first full NHL season. PK had 14g 38p in his first season and he’s just an honourable mention?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Exactly what I thought! Must still have to do with “PK not playing the white way.”

          Edit: Should have given proper credit too Darren Pang for using his quote.

          • Cardiac says:

            Don’t you mean the ri… ohhhhhh, nevermind!

            “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
            – Jerry Maguire

        • Bill H says:

          I think PK is a great asset for the club, and I hold him in high regard as a person. I don’t know much about Pietrangelo. However, just looking at some basic stats about the 2 dmen, I can see why Pietrangelo might be ranked higher than Subban.

          Subban:
          Age 22
          Height 6 ft
          Drafted 43rd

          Pietrangelo:
          Age 21
          Height 6 ft 3 inches
          Drafted 4th

          It takes time to build a reputation. Pietrangelo, drafted 4th overall, a year younger than PK, and 3 inches taller, is much more visible. PK is just getting on everyone’s radar. Just because a writer does not value Subban as much as us hard core fans does not mean he is a racist. The ranking in question is based on one guy’s projections for next year, that’s all.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            The ‘montreal bubble’ is a real phenomenon.

            ——————————————————————-
            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I was teasing about Panger’s stupid comment Bill.

            And just some stats to equally compare the two:
            Alex Piet. 96 Reg. Games Played, 12 goals, 34 Assists. +9 for his career.
            0 Playoff games played.

            PK Subban 79 Reg. Games Played, 14 goals, 24 Assists, -7 for his career.
            21 Playoff games, 3 goals, 9 assists.

            Where you were drafted means nothing once you have played at least a full season in the NHL. If you and I buy the exact same Car, but I get mine on sale for $5,000 less, is your car worth more, because you paid more?

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Pietrangelo was +18, Subban -8.

          ——————————————————————-
          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Everlasting1 says:

        It’s a projected 2011 list, and he’s coming off an impressive first full season. He is only 21.

        ——————————————————————-
        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Some of these those rankings are head-scratchers. Phaneuf at 15th? Based on his last two seasons? Hahaha. Pietreangelo cracking the Top 10? Also, how does Keith Yandle have an all-around game when he doesn’t do the PK?

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  21. Bripro says:

    One last suggestion on the food front. When you guys come in, if you arrive during the week, and you’re in the mid-town area, and want to try something fast, easy, retro and good, you’ve got to try Wilensky’s.

    http://maps.google.ca/maps?client=safari&rls=en&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=wilensky's+montreal&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=wilensky's&hnear=0x4cc91a541c64b70d:0x654e3138211fefef,Montreal,+QC&ei=TbUxTu7RFszTgAfp14WaDQ&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&ved=0CAQQtgM&cid=0,0,18406009729719650337

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I live exactly two blocks from Wilensky’s and I’ve never tried it. What should I get now that they’re open on weekends?

      • Bripro says:

        Sorry HF72 if it took so long to answer.
        I always go for a “special” a dill, and a cherry coke (mixed using an old fountain….the old fashion way).

  22. FormalWare says:

    Ryan Callahan’s worth every penny of thirteen mill. Blueshirts won that particular game of chicken.

    Habs: Possessors of the league’s best PK–now, and for the foreseeable future

    • J_P says:

      I dont know if they truly WON that game, its really a fair deal for both parties id say.

      Maybe another team would have given callahan $5M per season, but that doesnt mean he is truly deserving of $5M.

  23. habs03 says:

    Any one remember that Patches and Weber for Frolov rumor…lol

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      That rumour makes me want to jump off an office building.

      • habs03 says:

        I wonder if there were any truth to it, I remember one of the writers here on HI/O reported it too. Or early this season, it was Patches for Kaberle, Tinordi and 1st for Penner.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Under the topic of wanting to jump off office building. I got in the truck to go home yesterday and the sports radio station started talking about how former leaf pick Justin Pogge has just signed a 2 way contract with, (and at that moment I was paranoid they would say Montreal) Phoenix Coyotes.

        I don’t know why I thought they would say Montreal, but for some reason I was just worried we may sign the guy for the Bulldogs and then all my Leaf buddies would abuse me all winter about picking up a Leaf castoff.

        Anyways, not sure why i am sharing that, but reading your comment on jumping off building, that is kind of how i felt for a split second.

        • Cardiac says:

          I guess not everyone how played goal for Canada in the WJHC is cut for the NHL. Too bad, he was REALLY good in that tournament.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

  24. SUMMIT MEMBERS

    To help Ian out, please include with your money order a self addressed stamped envelope (Canada Members Only). No need for Ian to be writing out a hundred different address’.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  25. Feraco says:

    Afternoon boys and girls!! The day at the office has hit a snag so its time for a lil HabsInsideOut chat.

    1st on the bucket list is the prospect list. I was quite surprised to see some struggling Habs mainly Tinordi, Kristo and Leblanc. Looks like alot of 3rd line projections but I think they can be useful in the Habs system. Very excited to see Emelin though.

    2nd is the FAs available…kinda useless if you ask me. Not much going on there…maybe Madden but I haven’t seen him play for a while. Look for Enquist to get the call.

    3rd I’m excited to see the battle between Cole, Pactioretty and Kosti for the last spot in the top 6!!! Having Cole can’t make us any worse.

    4th Spachek. I hope he can rebound or limit his ice time. That will depend on Weber. Pro – he has been playing on his off wing and will be back to his natural side.

    5th – Looking forward to having a healthy Markov! Would be nice to have Emelin keep opposing teams from forechecking our shakey legged All Star.

    Molson Ex mon ami

    • RGM says:

      Cammalleri-Plekanec-Cole
      Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta

      These are pretty much the assumed top 6 around these parts. Kostitsyn’s designated for third line duty.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  26. 24 Cups says:

    This just proves why Garth Snow is an fool as a GM. NJ would have given Rolston away for a 7th round pick or future considerations.

    They were desperate to move Rolston’s contract. What does Snow do? He gives away an underpaid secondary player (Hunter)who has two years left on his contract. Hunter may be injury prone but still…

    I could have lived with Gomez for Hunter and Reasoner.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372652

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Based on the Food reviews I have read today, it appears i will taking my wife to 15 different restaurants/fast food establishments over the course of the Summit. Will be very difficult to fit this all in, but will give it the College try.

  28. OneTimer says:

    Any HI/Oers in the Concordia area with nothing to do this afternoon? A friend bailed on me and so I have an extra ticket to the Takashi Miike samurai flick at Fantasia, and so I figure why not give the extra ticket to a fellow Habs fan. I’ll be queueing from 2:30 onwards, film starts at 3:00. I’ll be wearing a Hal Gill shirt, first come first serve.

  29. Ian Cobb says:

    Hall of Fame Tour is now included in the price of your tickets.!!!!!!!!!

    Read all carefully please. HIO 2011 Fan Summit

    Pre-season game tickets are for Sept 20th Dallas and Sept 21st Buffalo only. $80ea. group rate.

    I am limiting two Summit tickets each for now. I was given only 56. But for every pre season ticket that I can sell, they will give me 1 more Summit ticket. So until I have orders for pre game seats, I have to limit each person to two summit tickets, for now.

    If you know of anyone wanting any pre season tickets, get them to order them from me so I can get everyone to the Summit that wants to go.

    2011 HIO FAN SUMMIT NEWS Nov. 19th game Rangers

    Tickets for this years HIO Fan Summit. We have very little time before they go on sale to the general public at more money.

    The date for the Summit game is Sat. Nov.19th against the NY Ranger

    Price is ($85.00 canadian or $90 U.S.
    White section.

    I will give you the weekend itinerary later. Similar to last year. Being that the boys are in town on the Friday night, we may have company at Hurley’s meet and greet this year.

    Stipulate which of the two preseason game tickets you want, Dallas Sept.20th or Buffalo Sept 21st, and you can have as many as you need. Price is $80.00 until they go on sale to the general public at more money. White section.

    Send your (money orders only) right away in Canadian funds. They need the count by next week or so.

    Put a note with your money order for which preseason game you want (Dallas or Buffalo) to see and get it in the mail , like now.

    $85 ea.canadian or $90 U.S., for the Summit game Nov.19th Rangers.

    $80 ea for any of the two preseason games. As many as you need for this one time offer.

    First come first serve.

    Send your money orders (only) no checks, to Ian Cobb, 63 Village Dr. Belleville, Ontario K8P 4K2
    With a note, your phone # and information to send your tickets to.
    613-968-9807

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    1. Trade Spacek to a floor-challenged team, leaving us with roughly $8.5M

    2. Make an offer to Shea Weber: $8.5M/yr for 8 years.

    What do you think?

    • Cardiac says:

      That would put him in the top 5 paid players in the league…..

      Also, good luck trying to sign PK and Price with $16 million in cap space tied up between two players.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • Bripro says:

      You’re putting Webber in the same class as Crosby, Ovechkin, and company. That is seriously overpaying, and I don’t believe in any contracts over 5 years. That’s why they don’t pay me to be GM…period.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Ovechkin is getting a bit more: 9.5M for 13 years. Crosby is on 8.7M

        I think Weber is worth it because he is a defenceman.

        • Cardiac says:

          Don’t forget… he’s also a “leader” and “good in the locker room”.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

    • J_P says:

      I am a HUGE Shea Weber fan, but 8.5M is WAY too much money. Nevermind the 8.5M/yr, we’d haev to give up 4 first round picks as compensation for that kind of money.

      PG should definitely try to trade for Shea Weber though. I think we have the assets to make a deal without seriously compromising our roster and future.

    • kempie says:

      And next year we can pay Price, PK & Eller with magic beans?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Conceptually love the idea of getting Weber. Would have to happen in a trade though. As salaries continue to rise in this league while battling a salary cap having young players constantly come up is key. Giving up 4 1st round picks is just too much. I would give up 4 for a healthy Crosby or Ovechkin but not for a dman.

    • 24 Cups says:

      HFS72 – You can’t sign Weber and then sign Subban and Price the following year. The economics just don’t jive.

      If we wanted Weber, then we never should have re-signed Markov.

      If Nashville doesn’t re-sign Weber, then they will be taking the chance of ruining everything they have done over the past few eyears. If they have to get to the floor, it’s better to do it with a star like Weber instead of a bunch of wannabees or oldtimers.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Isn’t there going to be an amnesty after the next CBA? That means Gomez is potentially off the books.

        So we can definitely pay all three.

        We would be paying Price, PK, & Weber less than the Pens pay Fleury, Malkin and Corsby. Less than what the Nucks give the Sedins and Luongo. Less than what the Rangers pay Gaborik, Richards and Lundquist. Way less than what San Jose pay Thornton, Marleau and Boyle.

        In other words our top three would be relatively cheap.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I would not be surprised to see the League try to get another amnesty. Question is what will Fehr want in exchange for giving them that. It is in the players interest to let it happen, players get huge paycheques and then probably get resigned to another contract elsewhere. But Fehr isn’t going to give the league anything without a cost.

  31. Cardiac says:

    If the Rangers couldn’t unload Chris Drury for at least a couple of draft picks, what hopes do we have of unload Gomez?

    They’re around the same age, same size, point production, both won Cups and both made around the same money.

    *EDIT* Nevermind. I just read that he has degenerative condition in his left knee will would cause him to miss the entire next season. Still though, the Rangers wanted to buy him out before this was announced.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

  32. coutNY says:

    How do the islanders think Trading Hunter for Rolston is a good move. Hunter is a guy that would excel in a playoff atmosphere. I guess they didn’t think would be there anytime soon. We would have happily sent Gomez for Hunter.

  33. GenerationYHabs says:

    Ok since you guys pretty much left me no choice but to have poutine for lunch today, I walked over to Chez Claudette and ordered a pogo poutine(why the hell not). Gotta say though that it was a 7-8/10 at best, they put some sort of spice in the sauce that just doesn’t agree with me.

    • Bripro says:

      It’s the fat globules stuck to your arteries….

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        Someone earlier mentioned smoke meat poutine but pogos is where you draw the line?

        • shiram says:

          Fois gras poutine might be up there as well.
          I had bistro fries rotisserie chicken poutine, and had to eat it in 3 sessions.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Bripro says:

            You guys are giving me serious indigestion, and I haven’t even had lunch yet…..no, no poutine today.

        • Bripro says:

          I’ll take Schwartz’ over pogos any day of the week.

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            Can’t say I dont agree with you on that.

          • shiram says:

            That’s another one that I have to sample, but people close to me do not much good to say about Schwartz, despite their reputation.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Schwartz is very good. It was Ben’s that was over-rated.

          • shiram says:

            Can agree on Ben’s.
            Will have to make my own opinion on Schwartz, but every time I went there, the line discouraged me.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            There’s a styrofoam container that has been in the back of the fridge at work for about 6 months. No one dares throw it out.

            I would take what’s inside over a pogo.

          • JD_ says:

            The only reason someone badmouths Schwartz’s is because they think it’s edgy to dislike Schwartz’s, man.

            Like that person at the party who tells you that, although they own a television, they don’t actually watch television.

            In other words, they’re full of s***.

            Speakin’ of shiznat, sayin’ Ben’s is-was overrated is like sayin’ spring-thawed dog feces covered in fly larvae is overrated.

            If you want to mix it up a bit at Schwartz’s – and who doesn’t? – order a side of hot peppers instead of a sour (pickle). For whatever reason, I really dig the mix.

            Now, if only they would stock sugar-free black cherry soda for us type IIs.

          • J_P says:

            Schwartz’s is OK, and Im not saying that to be dramatic or to be special. It definitely isnt worth the wait. For smoked meat, I like smoke meat pete’s in Pincourt much better than schwartz’.

          • GrimJim says:

            Schwartz’ is the third reason I come to the Summit. It’s the first stop on Friday after the hotel. And before I leave for the airport to fly home on Sunday, I get a taxi over there and order six sandwiches take out; one for the flight and the others for lunch for the next week.

          • JD_ says:

            Well, J_P, your smoked meat cred just flew out the window, in my not-so-humble opinion.

            I’m about a ten-minute drive from Smoked Meat Pete’s. They make some of the best fries I’ve ever had – and I’m not really into restaurant-made fries – but their smoked meat is a vile slab of seriously greasy, rainbow-glistened crap. I was shocked at how bad it was the first and only time I had it; only finished half the sandwich and had to bite my tongue when the waitress asked me if I wanted to take the leftovers to go.

            Given the oversized Daniel Boone decor, I though I might be eatin’ smoked bear.

            GrimJim, given your appetite, you should consider pickin’ up a vacuum-packed brisket to take home. I couldn’t even tell you the number of times I’ve flown with one of those in my carry-on as a gift for relatives or friends.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            GrimJim – look me up at the next summit. I’ll prescribe you a short course of Lipitor to get you over that smoked meat binge. Oy.

          • GrimJim says:

            Smoked meat is very lean, 4g of fat per 100g serving whereas a steak is around 15-20g. And I did say “for the next week” not for the next day…
            Besides, last year I got home from work on the Monday after the Summit and my wife and son had finished off one sandwich each…

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      My funny pogo story.

      A Japanese researcher and his wife came to Montreal for 6 months. As the Japanese do, they had prepared extensively by reading various guide books. They had a huge list of local specialties to try (cabane a sucre, bagels, smoked meat etc …). Also on their list were pogos.

      That’s right. Japanese guide books are telling their readers that the pogo is among the must-try specialties of Quebec cuisine.

      • shiram says:

        But Pogo, or corn dogs are a United States creation, and they have the monopoly on fried whatevers…

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Bripro says:

        So they’ll travel half way around the world for a pogo delicacy, then on to PEI to buy land and meet Anne of Green Gables. They’re obviously very well informed. I wonder if the follow hockey too? The world’s greatest sport.

  34. Bripro says:

    As you might have read earlier, Ian has managed to lock 56 tickets to the Rangers’ game for November 19th.
    Mrs Nadeau confirmed this to me by phone this morning.
    And there’s a possibility to get more, but some pre-season games have to be sold. Read Ian’s blog near the beginning of the day.
    How many of you plan on attending the November summit game?
    This will be my first. Ian says it’s quite the ordeal. I haven’t been hung over in a long time. I think I’m looking forward to it; well the partying anyhow.

    • Rob says:

      I’m very excited to be making the trip. Moved from Montreal to Calgary the year before this website started up and a few years before the Summit’s started and have been dying to make it back for one since. So I’m anxious to experience what i’ve only been able to read about for the past several years

      The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  35. Chrisadiens says:

    Rumors of the leafs trying to unload Komi onto the isles. Still hard to believe how far he has fallen. One lucic fight ruined this whole guys career. Sad.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • shiram says:

      The Isles.. what a wacky franchise, hard to believe they could actually offer Yashin a contract while they are still paying him his buyout.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • SyntaxLove says:

        Yeah, Komiserak looks punch drunk out there now. Utter madness trying to pin him on the Isles (my girlfriend team for 2012) Campoli or Hannan would both be better options.

        It’s utter madness that they bought him out in the first place! Someone scores 50 pts in 58 games and you’re packing his bags and pushing him out the door?

        And paying for his train ticket, I should add. Insane in the membrane.

        Chinchillin’

      • Chrisadiens says:

        The Isles are the Redskins/Mets/The Isiah Thomas Knicks of the NHL.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • G-Man says:

        Snow must be sniffing…snow?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Well the fight and losing Markov as his D-partner.

      Andrei Markov, raising UFA defencemen contracts since 2007.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      When you’ve come to believe that you’re the bull of the ball, Lucic, not only beating you but throwing you around like a child is obviously beyond humiliating. You really have to question his character in the first place.

    • The Dude says:

      Lucic has done it too a lot of player’s!Pouliot backed down and wasn’t the same when challenged by Lucic in last years play-off’s….but I truly believe he would a challenge him if the Habs weren’t so pathetically soft and that why I say Pouloit will have a break-out performance next year.He’s got back-up like no one’s got back-up!

  36. Old Bald Bird says:

    Engels on the D

    I’m not sure if HIO has a problem with Engels because I don’t recall seeing many links. Maybe I just haven’t noticed — which is entirely possible.

    • SyntaxLove says:

      My thoughts exactly.

      Chinchillin’

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I like reading Engels but hate giving hits to an Eklund owned site. Maybe HIO feels the same?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • 24 Cups says:

      In fairness, this article was published at 11:10 this morning. Most HI/O threads come out before 8am.

    • HabFab says:

      May have something to do with the new blogger media verses the old conventional media types when the new guys first started getting their Hab press accreditation. Apron approached it like any new comer should (and soon crossed over into the mainstream) while others didn’t. Believe there were issues with parking spaces, some words, etc.
      If you remember, he was included here at first as a guest contributor.

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    Mike Keenan is on the short list to become the next coach of _ _ _ you guessed it LATVIA!
    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1031403–latvia-hockey-wants-iron-mike-behind-their-bench

  38. Tony McLean says:

    Attn: Steve Dobber, the Chara “controversy” is not old news. It is alive and unwell until frontier justice is meted out. Until someone makes Chara play hurt angry and even scared there will be more vicious bullying by him and other thugs on the broons – and elsewhere. Canadiens’ management ‘playing nice’ ensures that. Are you asleep Geoff Molson?

    “Make love not war.”
    – Jacques “Cuddles” Martin & Pierre “Buddha” Gauthier

    • HardHabits says:

      Nice fantasy. I hate to break it to you but nobody is going to take out Chara, at least not for a while. He is probably one of the strongest players and certainly one of the best fighters to play in the NHL. Think Larry Robinson in his younger days circa 1976-1979 and I am convinced that Chara would still give that player a run for his money if not come out the victor.

      The thing about Chara is that if he can’t beat the crap out of somebody with punches he can wrestle anybody to the ice and thereby neutralize his opponent in doing so.

      That being said, expect the Bruins to be a force in the NHL for some time to come.

  39. GenerationYHabs says:

    So am I the only one who came here today to read whatever scraps of habs news might have been dug up, and now has to leave because of an extreme case of the muchies.

  40. shiram says:

    Thanx for the poutine discussion, I’ll definately try at least one of these 3 this week-end, and try to come back with a review next week.

    Patati-Patata (St-Laurent & Rachel-ish)
    Chez Claudette (Laurier near St.Denis)
    Maam Bolduc (De Lorimier)

    Also, my excuses to HFS72 for having derailled the bagel thread.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • OneTimer says:

      Hey bro,

      A smoked meat poutine at Angela’s downtown is also rather cromulent. Maisonneuve and Guy (roughly).

    • Bripro says:

      If you guys are looking for the best poutine on the south (western) shore, and don’t mind tackling the Mercier (horror) bridge, you have to try Gregoire’s in Mercier. Best poutine I’ve ever tasted.
      And their soft drink selection is off the wall. Real spruce beer, and great junk food.

  41. Bill says:

    @HabsFanSince72 … Is that a Larkin reference on HIO??

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  42. 21.273 says:

    guys, you gotta see this:

    http://hockeyplayersaskids.tumblr.com/post/6763142975/steven-stamkos-p-k-subban

    their whole page is devoted to posting pics of NHL stars when they were kids. Some are simply awesome. There is an eerie one of Brad Marchand, and of Kane when he was a tyke and able to meet Sakic. Christian Ehrhoff in a bowtie playing the drums. Man…..!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So looking at the pic of Nazim Khadri I was trying to think what was wrong with the picture of this Leaf Prospect….. Oh yah he was beside the Stanley Cup!

      Like the pic of young Carey Price with Ken Dryden!

    • avatar_58 says:

      I love that he’s the captain. Methinks we’ll see that again some day (also dear hockey gods – please include Stamkos in that future….)

    • Cardiac says:

      Brad Marchand (Page 5) was an even uglier kid… Love it!!!

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • canuckbot says:

      Photo Notes…
      Devan Dubnyk-Big specs, Mullet & suspenders? Who dressed this kid? Joe Dirt?
      Cristian Erhoff-Mentioned earlier for the bow-tied, little drummer boy but check out the Jammer pants too!
      Anze Kopitar-was a cute kid. What happened?
      Logan Couture-Not a fan of Jeremy Roenick
      Adam Burrish-might know Karate but does he know crazy?
      Alex Burrows-Has been to the International Dateline in Greenwich
      Jonas Hiller-Has still not hit maturity
      Ovie-is a slob. Then & now.
      Ovie2-A natural to be in DC with his stars & stripes clown suit
      Ovie3-likes to stab things
      Dwayne Roloson-has had the same haircut his whole life
      Maxime Talbot-may have been run over bu a firetruck at a young age
      Patrick Elias-is a ladies man
      Jonathon Toews-did some risqué photos back in the day
      Evgeni Malkin-used to do Whip-its
      Jeff Skinner-may have been inspired by the movie The Cutting Edge
      Alexander Semin-was a sheik in his youth
      The Lundquist Brothers-Had a Jimmy Buffet cover band

    • Say Ash says:

      Kadri touched the cup – they’ll never win!

  43. Bripro says:

    Ian, It was good talking with you this morning. Based on what Mrs. Nadeau told me this morning, you have everything (or almost) under control. The money order will leave today, and we’ll have more opportunities to talk when I get back from Cape Cod next week.
    When I get back, if you need help selling the pre-season tickets, call me. My number will be with the cheque. Have a good one.

  44. punkster says:

    Spent the week dangling my toes in a cool northern lake never once thinking about Habs or hockey. Toughest decisions of the week included:
    – T-bone, NY strip or rib eye…went with all 3
    – Daredevil red stripped, black stripped or 5 of diamonds lures…red stripped are best for summer, easy call
    – Muskoka Cream Ale, Dark Ale or Premium Lager…no competition, it’s lager all the way in this heat
    – beige, blue or red swim trunks…strike that, skinny dip!

    Now, how to score another week or two back up there before the summer runs out.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • 24 Cups says:

      Dave – I have swung over to Keiths this summer. Their Red Lager is quite nice and the India Pale Ale is now my summer house beer.

      T-bone? I given that up for smaller, more tender cuts of beef. Quality over quantity.

      Fishing? Boring as hell and way too many bugs. I lean toward more manly sports such as golf.

      Bathing suit? The only acceptable colour is red.

      Summer running out? Hard to believe that the August 1st holiday is this Monday. Of course if you’re retired it really doesn’t matter. Just one endless summer to paraphrase Brian Wilson.

      • canuckbot says:

        Punkster vs. 24 Cups

        Muskoka 1 – Keiths 0…Muskoka is way tastier and still Canadian. Keiths IPA is acceptable if it’s draft night. The rest of Keiths is terrible

        T-Bone 0 – Other cuts 0…Beef is not good for you or the environment. PERIOD.

        Fishing 1 – Golf 1…I find golf more fun because I can’t catch any fish. The bugs are worse on the golf course than in the middle of a lake.

        Skinny dip 1 vs. Red bathing suit 0…skinny dip is freedom

        Employed 0 vs. Retired 2…Work sucks!

        It’s a tie!!! You’re both losers ;)

  45. Neutral says:

    Zherdev – just can’t figure this guy out. he’s only 27 and he’s a good 2nd line right winger and is capable of putting up 40 – 50 points a season but don’t always do it. if some team picked this guy up for 1.5, 2-mil 1 year deal and could get him going it would be a good payoff..maybe 3rd line for Habs with AK46 and Desharnais than our 4th line would be set with Moen, White and Darche…..

    • Cardiac says:

      Wouldn’t touch him with a ten-foot pole. He reeks of Yashin and Brendl.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • ed lopaz says:

      Neutral,

      here is what you need to consider when evaluating whether a player suits the current Habs team.

      we have a coach.

      he has “Rules of Engagement”

      rule #1: every player must know how, and be willing to play DEFENSIVE HOCKEY

      therefore guys like Zherdev are not considered

      rule #2: every player must know how, and be willing to AVOID COSTLY, STUPID PENALTIES – like roughing, charging, misconducts, etc

      therefore guys like Zonopka are never considered.

      there are other “rules” as well. But these 2 stand out and are strictly enforced.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • SyntaxLove says:

        Weren’t we the most penalized team in the league last year?

        Chinchillin’

        • HabinBurlington says:

          In actual mins PIM we were 10th, not sure most shorthanded situations.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          We were second in terms of minor penalties. Close enough.

        • avatar_58 says:

          Yeah but so what? Subban was on top of that list and nearly every “penalty” I wacthed him take was BS. I’m not normally one to claim our team is shafted but last season we definitely were.

          • Habfan4lfe says:

            Oh ya but wasn’t there some genius on here the other day saying Boston earned the cup fair and square? Amazing you know I wonder what some people are watching when the habs play. To say Boston won fair and square, what a joke. Put a guy into the stanchion no suspension, throw things at the fans no suspensions.. Ya Boston won fair and square.. Sigh.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Now hang on let’s not go that far. When I saw blatent missed calls nearly cost the team game 7 I would have agreed. However Subban scored, going to OT. The habs have only themselves to blame for botching what happened afterwards. The field was level for a single goal winner take all and they failed.

          • SyntaxLove says:

            Kinda Subban’s job to take penalties, indirectly. He was our most “aggressive” defenceman last season. And while I agree there were quite a few ridiculous ones, there were also SO many from Spac/Hamr because they’re too slow and need to hold/trip/slash. So hopefully less this season.

            My point being that when you spend most of the game in your own end, you’re going to be taking penalties. Being defensively minded is wonderful, but not when you’re offensively inept.

            Chinchillin’

      • Neutral says:

        ED
        These rules maybe Habs rules, it would appear those rules hasn’t been working for JM whom ever he coaches, don’t see his name on the stanley cup….

        • ed lopaz says:

          I know Martin has not won anything since the mid 80s – a memorial cup in junior.

          But these are the rules for acquiring new players.

          the emphasis on DEFENSE causes our offensive production to drop – no one can argue that

          the emphasis on AVOIDING STUPID PENALTIES means we will not engage players who instigate physical penalties – so we end up on the “passive” side of the “truculence” ledger. :-)

          personally, I am not a Martin fan.

          But these are his rules – like him, hate him, or have no strong opinion about him.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  46. HalifaxHabs says:

    non-hockey topic – I’m looking for Shiram, and other Montreal residents who enjoy a fine poutine, on this one.

    Where is the best place (or places) in Montreal to get me some of that tasty poutine???!!!

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Dillalo’s in Ville-Émard has great poutine but they’re burgers are the real gem. The place is great to visit atleast once jsut for all the sports memorabilia. It’s just a few blocks from where Lemieux grew up and where he took Crosby when the all star game was in Montreal.

      • Skotbot says:

        Patati-Patata (St-Laurent & Rachel-ish) has a poutine with red wine sauce thats worth a try.
        & La Banquise (994 Rue Rachel E) is a poutine specialist.. tons of different poutine on the menu to try.
        (i suggest the hot chicken poutine)

        Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
        Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

    • shiram says:

      The thing with this is that since I moved in Montreal 6 years ago, I have not foud one place that compares to small town poutine shacks.

      HabsFanSince72 says Frite Alors, and I agree it is decent poutine, but does not qualify for best. I have not tried the foie gras poutine, or lobster poutine either, but was told about them, and have heard only good.
      But talking only poutine, fries, cheese and sauce, I have to say nothing compare to small town diners and such.

      My hometown of Joliette has 2 great spots, but the recipes might have changed since I moved. There was the Restoroute, which looks like a trucker dinner, but it’s excellent fast-food, the poutine is great, and the subs are awesome.
      There is also “Le Henry” and it’s poutine was the best thing in the world at 3am after a night of drinking.

      I’ll be interested to hear what people have to suggest in MTL.

      edit : criteria for poutine : fresh squishy curd cheese, the fries have to be all potato, cut is not so important, but I prefer thick.
      And the sauce is where the magic happens, it’s the wild card of poutine.
      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Shiram, I lived in St-Thomas-de-Joliette while I went to High School, so I can confirm enthusiastically that Chez Henri Patate is awesome. Le Restoroute was really close to school too, they do fine work over there. Or at least they did in the late 70’s.

        ———————————
        For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • shiram says:

          Glad someone agrees and has experienced the greatness of Joliette fast-food.
          Henry’s smoked meat poutine was great too.

          I’m guess your High school was either Bato, or the Engligh High school? I actually grew up 2 street corners from the RestoRoute.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I have never had poutine in Joliette, but I suspect shiram is correct.

        Poutine is like strippers: the sleazier the better. And for true sleaze you have to go off-island.

        • shiram says:

          Yup small town also usually means fresher produce, as they do not have to travel too far.

          Joliette is a pretty neat small town not too far from Montreal, I really liked it there, but had to move to MTL for work.

          Now the strippers in Joliette, well that was hit or miss depending on where you went! IIRC the palce was to go “Le Jean Pierre”.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I have a hunch I know what the next survey question is going to be on this thread LOL!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Fresher produce must refer to strippers, ’cause it sure has no bearing on poutine.

          • shiram says:

            Untrue. Fresh cheese curds are a key part of any decent poutine.
            I guess where I might have went wrong is the word produce, which might not include such thing as cheese…
            My bad on that.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • markd9 says:

        Patati Patata. St. Laurent and Rachel.
        mmmm….

    • Cardiac says:

      La Banquise… the one and only…

      Maamm Bolduc is also worth a try.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • Propwash says:

      Bingo’s on the corner of Verdun Ave. and Egan makes great poutines and subs

  47. Propwash says:

    Ian comes through again, this guy rocks!

    Hopefully there will be a get-together @ Hurleys, I can’t afford tickets.

  48. habs03 says:

    I WANT Scott Hannan so badly on this team.

    Markov-Yemelin/Spacek
    Hannan-Subban
    Gill-Gorges
    Weber

    Next year
    Markov-Yelemlin
    Hannan-Subban
    Gleason-Gorges
    Weber

    • avatar_58 says:

      Woah woah woah….Spacek is not getting top minutes and if he is then this team isn’t going further than the first few rounds. He’s too damned slow. I don’t really care how much he makes or that he’s a vet, he’s a bottom d-man this year got it? I want Markov, Gorges and Subban getting top minutes with someone else rotated with them.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well to Hannan’s credit he rarely misses games, pretty much a positive +/- most of his career, which is impressive given his limited offensive ability. Good size, I just have little recall of what he brings to the ice. Have seen him play but he made zero impact on me thus the memory recall is terrible. Did look up his hockey fight history, there isn’t much there so he won’t pacify the Philistine Fans of the team.

      How come you want him on team so much?

      • habs03 says:

        He simply is just a solid d-man, can skate, plays big, gritty, perfect D partner for Subban imo, him or Gleason if we can get him somehow next season. Now Hannan at what he made last year, no way, but him on a 2-3 year deal at 3M would be perfect.

        @avatar_58
        I think you can pair Spacek with Markov to start, easy Markov in, and also see just how good Yemelin is, and if Yemelin is as good as we expect put Spacek in the presser. I think those 3 pairings can keep up with any top lines in the league.

  49. HabFanSince72 says:

    I couldn’t contribute to the bagel debate the other day but there was some wrongness there and I live to correct wrongness. Also, I am fortunate enough to live in Montreal’s wonderful Mile End (equi-distant, as it happens, between Fairmount and St.Viateur). This be the verse:

    1. The notion that St.Viateur is THE Montreal bagel is flawed. In actual fact Fairmount might have a better claim to being the original.

    2. This is irrelevant as both make good bagels. In fact, you would be hard pressed to tell the sesame seed bagels from the two shops apart.

    3. Fairmount gains the upper hand thanks to its other offerings*, including the raisin and cinnamon bagel, the blueberry, the all-dressed etc … Fairmount also has matzoh boards.

    * The “greater variety” argument is shaky, I admit. I’ve always objected to it when people argue that La Banquise has the best poutine because they have 24 varieties. While the argument is bogus in general, it is worthwhile when applied to bagel shops.

    5. Note that I am more of a croissant man myself, so take the foregoing with a grain of salt.

    • shiram says:

      Can’t really say about bagels, but I know La Banquise does not make the best poutine, it’s not even close.
      Such a disapointment.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        You have to be our resident Poutine expert Shiram with that pic, lol

        tell me, where should I go to get the “best Poutine” next time I’m in Montreal?

        • avatar_58 says:

          I feel like a fake canadian since I waited till THIS year to have poutine

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Nick, I think you may start a whole new thread with that question. Look forward to reading the results though!

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Best is a loaded question. In my opinion the best, hands down, is the foie gras poutine at AU Pied de Cochon. It is out of this world, but it falls within the gourmet poutine category. Similarly the lobster poutine at Garde-Manger is meant to be very good (it won Chuck Hughes the Iron Chef America competition), but I have never had it.

          Amongst your normal poutines, you have your chains like Belle-Pro and Lafleur’s, and your indy’s like Chez Claudette (Laurier near St.Denis) and Patati-Patata (St.Laurent and Rachel) and Maam Bolduc (De Lorimier), but I’m going to stick my neck out and say Frite Alors has the best. I don’t expect many to agree.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            Nice HFS… I’m writing these down.

            you might want to copy and paste your response above because I just started a new post for this. (you’ll have to change a letter here or there so it’s not a duplicate post)

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            I work just 2-3 blocks away from Chez Claudette, and have to say that while the choice and variety is great, I can’t say im crazy about the sauce they use.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Always been a St.Viateur man myself and can tell the difference between the sesame seed bagels by sight. That being said, living in Toronto now, I’d commit homicide for a fresh Fairmount bagel.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Having to make a choice between St-Viateur and Fairmount bagels for someone who has to settle for know-nothing crap day-old bagels is like having to choose between Betty or Veronica. There is no second place.

        We have a couple of places in Vancouver that serve ‘Montreal-style’ bagels, and they’re better than anything you’ll find out here, but when I come back to Montreal and bite into my first right-out-of-the-oven St-Viateur bagel, I know yet again how there is no imitator.

        A decade back, we had a bagel frenzy in Whistler, I think three shops opened within six months of each other. One was decent, but overall they were pretty bad. The worst transgressors were those imbeciles at The Great Canadian Bagel Co., who were marketing theirs as the biggest, fluffiest bagels. They made that a point of pride. They had no clue. Thankfully, the Atkins craze killed them all off.

        ———————————
        For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  50. habs03 says:

    I can’t believe how unprofessional this top 25 list is, the writer has Cole as a LW, Cole is a RW. He had kovalchuk as a RW on his last list, when Kovalchuk is a LWer, do writers need to do some research.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      His description of Cammy is the best though. He basicly says “He’s good because he scores goals.” That’s some really thought provoking insight right there.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I was wondering when this would get pointed out since Boone did not note the mistake in his posting. In addition, the Dobber article also fails to mention that Cole was signed to fill-in our RW side and speculates on Cole playing with Gionta and Gomez if Cole fails to find chemistry with Pleks. Not impossible, but highly unlikely!

  51. Timo says:

    … and HIO’s love with everything Bruins continues.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hey at least we are scoing a goal on them in this pic Timo!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Just like you, when I saw a link to a “Yahoo List” I assumed it was a list of the Bruins current roster plus Dany Heatley and Sean Avery. But no, it’s just a list of the best players at their position on yahoo sports.

  52. Ian Cobb says:

    Important

    Pre-season game tickets are for Sept 20th Dalas and Sept 21st Buffalo only.

    I am limiting two Summit tickets each for now. I was given only 56. But for every pre season ticket that I can sell, they will give me 1 more Summit ticket. So until I have orders for pre game seats, I have to limit each person to two summit tickets for now. If you know of anyone wanting any pre season tickets, get them to order them from me so I can get everyone to the Summit that wants to go. Or order extra tickets from the Bell Center on your own.

    Ian

    • I have my plane Ian.

      I will fly into Mtl on the 16th.
      Canes at the Bell 16th
      Hurley’s for Thur vs Isles
      Friday will be tourist day.
      Saturday Summit Game Day 19th
      Sunday Our Day of Rest and Recovery
      Monday Bruins at the Bell
      Fly back to Brandon 22 Nov.

      Now that will be Fun. Sending my money order this morning. I can’t thank you enough….ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty.

      Also do we know have any idea which charity we will be working with?

      Shane Oliver
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      hockey@sholi2000.com
      Ph- 204 724 8418

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ian I will send you a money order out this afternoon. Two tix please sir, look forward to meeting you and thanking you in person for your help.

    • arya13 says:

      If we want tickets, we just send you a direct message? I’d be interested in preseason and summit.

      MaxPac will raise 2 Stanley Cups in his career to show Chara that his is worth nothing.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Get the (money order) in the mail with a note. Summit tickets? and how many preseason tickets to which game? Your personal info, where to send your tickets.

        Pre-season games are Sept 20th Dalas and Sept 21st Buffalo only.

        • arya13 says:

          I’m going to have to look into this, never sent a money order before. How much are the various tickets?

          Edit: Just saw your post below…. ignore my questions. I’ll read for myself. :)

          MaxPac will raise 2 Stanley Cups in his career to show Chara that his is worth nothing.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      So here I was pouting last night because I thought the plans fell through and lo and behold, Ian comes through once again. OK, so it’s not the Bruins, I can get a good, old-fashioned hate on for the Rags just as well. Put us down for (2) tix Ian, your money order is being mailed today. It’s unfortunate the pre-season games only start on Sept. 20 as we will be in Montreal on Sept. 18 to catch the Alouettes game; oh well.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Hey Ian

      Sorry if it was already mentioned but where can I get your contact info to send you the money order? (Assuming I can guilt a buddy into going)

    • joshua94k says:

      Hello Ian,
      Thanks for being a trooper and persistently organizing the Habs I/O Summit and handling any issue head on. It is a great event that helps a good cause and shows the world that the Habs have the greatest team and greatest fans. Perhaps next year I will be able to make it but I do enjoy reading about all the fun everyone has.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • Rudy says:

      Ok, I am sending the money order for 2 tickets to the Rangers tomorrow. 16th Birthday present for my son. Very excited!

    • GrimJim says:

      Ian,
      I will be there for the Summit, count me in. I’ll have my mail order in the post today. I won’t be ther for the pre-season game.
      Thank you for all your hard work on this.

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      Money Order sent for delivery tomorrow Ian. Enjoyed chattin’ with you last night. I hope I’m in.

      EVERYONE – the preseason deal is not limited to us… spread the good word… every preseason ticket justified by us buys another summit ticket!!

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  53. SyntaxLove says:

    Ray Emery has a try-out with the Chicago Blackhawks during camp. They’ll have until Oct 1 to sign or release him. No reason why he shouldn’t get the gig.

    Zherdev is very appealing at less than $2 mil/1 year. Low risk, high reward. I hope the Jets sign him.

    Samsonov did have 14 pts in 20 games last year with FLA. If he’s healthy, he’s still young enough at 32 to have another 40 pt season with the right team.

    Stillman finds himself in a similar situation. At 37, the skill is obviously still there but his body might be giving up on him

    Hannan would be a good fit for a team like Ottawa, off the top of my head. They have the top 4 set, but Hannan could provide some depth if Rundblad & Lee aren’t up for it.

    Campoli is younger and probably in a better position than Scott Hannan but the odds of Ottawa re-signing him seem slim. What about the Wild or the Islanders?

    If Drury wishes to stay in the league he’s going to be taking a massive pay cut, but again, if the price is right he could be invaluable to the right team. Although it’s possible that he’s just lost it

    Kovalev, McCabe, Madden, Turco & Modano will probably have to hang it up.

    Chinchillin’

    • avatar_58 says:

      Kovy will get a job somewhere making very little. I’ll get flamed for this but I wish he somehow would come back here and light it up. My head tells me to shut up because we don’t need his lazy ass, but my heart wants more of 27’s miracle dangles.

  54. 24 Cups says:

    It’s all a matter of opinion, but the HI/O faithful may want to check out today’s Hab prospect list that Mike just posted.

    Hab fans tend to overhype their young players so this evaluation just might be a bit of a reality check.

    • Bugs says:

      Because THAT prospect list is…”reality”, is it?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        It’s on the internet!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          That has always been good enough for me! I mean when has Wikipedia ever been wrong!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Well, every source has potential errors. Wikipedia, given the way it is put together, is surprisingly good. On topics I know about it is quite remarkable.

            On the other hand, the Hockey Prospectus guy probably doesn’t have the expertise or access to data to make useful judgments. He opines on prospects of almost every NHL team, playing in all three junior leagues, the AHL, US College, and Russia. It’s doubtful he has seen many (any?) of these players live, and if he has he probably saw them once, unless he spends his life in hockey rinks and airports. It’s difficult to see how he compiles his rather extensive lists, other than a combination of the Internet and making stuff up.

            24 Cups says it’s a matter of opinion. But it isn’t really just an opinion if he’s never seen e.g. Mac Bennett play. What it is is noise.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            HF72, I agree. I too have been amazed at Wikipedia. Yah not sure how much stock i put in this guy’s analysis. No developing players get more exposure than OHL players. For him to say he saw no positive signs on Tinordi is kind of ridiculous. It was widely recognized by many that the 2nd half of his season saw great improvement. I agree he started the year poor and while I have high hopes for Tinordi, I do still have concerns. But he did improve as the year went on. Would have thought his sleeper in our prospects list would have been the Czech kid we drafted this year Pribyl.

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            I agree about Tinordi, everything I heard out of development camp was pretty positive concerning him, yet this guy makes him sound like he’s a fringe NHL player at best.

      • 24 Cups says:

        As I said, it’s a matter of opinion!

        As for reality, I find it comes in all forms, especially on HI/O.

        I find it kind of strange that there was no mention of Engqvist on the prospect list.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      I dunno…outside of his low opinion of Tinordi his ceiling projections for the top 10 seem right in line with what most have been saying – lots of 2nd/3rd line forwards, no real gamebreaker on forward, and quite a bit of defensive depth.

      We’re ranked lower, but surely the recent promotion of many young players (Eller, Desharnais, White, Subban, Weber) surely has something to do with it.

  55. Ian Cobb says:

    GOOD HIO SUMMIT NEWS AT LAST— Nov. 19th game Rangers

    Hi everyone, I just received an answer about game tickets for this years HIO Fan Summit. We have very little time before they go on sale to the general public at more money.

    Here is the scoop- First people to send me your money orders, gets tickets at the group price.

    To get these tickets at these prices, I also need to sell some pre season tickets as well. At the group rate. Pre-season game tickets are for Sept 20th Dallas and Sept 21st Buffalo only. You do not need to buy a preseason game ticket. But if you want some at this group price, send a money order with your information right away.

    The date for the Summit game is now Sat. Nov.19th against the NY Rangers.
    Price is ($85.00 canadian or $90 U.S.
    White section.

    I will give you the weekend itinerary later. Similar to last year. Being that the boys are in town on the Friday night, we may have company at Hurley’s meet and greet this year.

    Stipulate which preseason game tickets you want and you can have as many as you want. Price is $80.00 until they go on sale to the general public at more money. White section.

    Send your (money orders only) right away in Canadian funds. They need the count by next week or so.

    Put a note with your money order for which preseason game you want to see and get it in the mail , like now.

    $85 ea.canadian or $90 U.S., for the Summit game Nov.19th Rangers.

    $80 ea for any of the preseason games. As many as you need for this one time offer.

    First come first serve.
    Send your money orders (only) no checks, to Ian Cobb, 63 Village Dr. Belleville, Ontario K8P 4K2
    With a note, your phone # and information to send your tickets to.
    613-968-9807

  56. centre hice says:

    I can’t wait to see what Emelin has to offer. I had given up on this prospect, thinking that he would never want to leave Russia.

    The fact that the NHL ice is smaller may help him a lot. Fast NHL forwards won’t be able to beat him as easily.

    • Bugs says:

      You mean, the way NHL forwards beat everyone else? These forwards who can beat NHL defencemen won’t be able to beat Emelin? Because Emelin will be HELPED by playing in foreign environment, that which he’s never had to adapt to as of yet?
      …I dunno about that reasoning…

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • centre hice says:

        It is definitely easier to play defence on a smaller ice surface.

        Emelin just played in the World Champs against Canada on international ice. Canada had some of the best forwards in the NHL.

        If Emelin were to play against those same forwards on NHL ice there would be less space for forwards to use their speed. he can close the gap much quicker.

  57. G-Man says:

    Wow, Shiloh. The teams that have responsible defensive players that can score win Cups. The roster is set. The 2 closest players to superstar status with the Habs are Subban and Price. Whining about other teams not trading the Habs their superstars won’t change anything. The GM in overdrive that does not have assets to trade for a “superstar” just spins his wheels.
    I know we all want that BIG TRADE, but this is a team that wears their hardhats to the rink and works hard. If all comes together, the Habs can knock out teams with the likes of Ovechkin and Crosby…

  58. SyntaxLove says:

    I have to disagree. Subban scored 14 goals and ranked 30th overall in D man pts with 38 on a team that was 23rd overall in goals for! He did this while playing around 22 minutes per game as the go to guy on a depleted blueline. If that’s not elite, what is?

    Price’s game speaks for itself, top 5 in the league in my opinion.

    Cammy had 81 points with Calgary before coming to us.

    Pleks has been in the system a long time as a consistently awesome two-way player.

    The draft seems to be working well. What is it you want, guy? haha

    Chinchillin’

  59. RGM says:

    The team has two superstars already: Carey Price and P.K. Subban. True, neither will score 50 goals this year. But there’s a solid group of guys up front in the Top 6 that, if they reach potential, can all pop at least 25 goals (or, if Gomez, we’ll aim for 15 and hope for a bunch of A’s) – this team is built from the back-end out, so while there’s not going to be any confusion between the current crew and the Punch Line, there’s a capable group there that can win the odd 7-2 game (just let’s not lose Markov again in the process!).

    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  60. SeriousFan09 says:

    PK Subban, Carey Price, up-and-coming superstars right there. Star players, Cammalleri, Markov, Plekanec, Pacioretty in the up-and-comers there as well.

    MTL is building depth right now, which is what has cost them in their last two playoff runs, they couldn’t match the other teams depth and lost. Now, they’re getting closer to matching playoff teams line-for-line on skilled players.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  61. Un Canadien errant says:

    Gee Shiloh, going out and getting a young superstar takes more than wheeling and dealing. You’re not going to be able to give another GM a bucket of spare parts for a “good young player with the potential to become a superstar”. You’re going to have to give the same in kind, like Colorado and St-Louis did last season. Or you’re going to have to give up a bunch of prospects and draft picks.

    Think of it as sidling up to the counter of your favourite poutine joint with $3.44 in your pocket, and your dish of choice costs $4.95. No matter how you count and regroup your loonie and toonie and quarters and small change, you don’t have enough to afford a steaming delicious poutine. So maybe you can get a plate of fries or onion rings or a steamé or toasté, but there’s no poutine for you.

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    For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  62. Jordio-oh says:

    We used our 2005 draft pick to acquire a superstar franchise player. His name is Carey Price. It’s not management’s fault you can’t get over your well documented bias.

  63. Bripro says:

    You got that right, G-man. We just have to think back to the 2010 playoffs.
    They’re better now than they were then, and they weren’t far from a playoff final confrontation.

  64. HabinBurlington says:

    Agree G, plus I am not sure how it is that a guy who has played 2 and 1/2 seasons in the MLB with a career .259 average is a Star! I also shiver at the thought of now saying the Toronto Blue Jays are a better ran organization than the Habs. Given that the Jays are 23rd in the Major Leagues in payroll yet are approx. the 4th largest market in the league…. ahhhh yah I wish Montreal Canadiens would emulate Toronto Blue Jays.

    Nice trade by the Jays, but certainly not a benchmark of success this Roger’s owned version of the Jays.

  65. Chrisadiens says:

    Cool. Good to know ya.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  66. SyntaxLove says:

    I don’t like poutine that much anyway. Kill me if you must!

    Chinchillin’


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