TSN’s take

• Scott Cullen’s comprehensive off-season assessment of the Canadiens

• Mathias Brunet weighs in on who stays, who goes

And this harsh comment, on the Hockey News web site, about the departure of BGL:

I think its funny you take the toughest guy in the league and put him in
a Canadiens Jersey and he turns into a sissy just like the rest of the
team! Looks like Andrei Kostitsyn will be the keeping the rivals in line
next season!

Maybe this is the video Bob Gainey watched:

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276 Comments

  1. andrewberkshire says:

    Tom… What are you talking about? We all hate Kessel here, but he’s an incredible skater. The biggest reason he was drafted so high was because he was the fastest skater in his draft year. He could definitely keep up to Lombardi.

  2. TomNickle says:

    Your conclusion is exactly why I believe that Halak should be traded.  Check that.  I believe the goalie that will sign for the longest term and the most reasonable cost should be kept.

    I believe Halak won’t sign until Price is gone.  And if that’s the case, that’s painting the organization into yet another corner and I believe he would be the best option to move out based on return, money saved and the idea that Halak can’t do any better than what he’s done and will have a hard time duplicating it.

     

  3. andrewberkshire says:

    Not really, Chris. The only team to miss a comparative # of man-games to key players was Detroit, and we missed more in salary than they did. Despite this we made the playoff and were the 3rd last team left in the NHL. Despite the constant attempts to undo what was a season of great accomplishments on this site by calling it a fluke or saying it was 100% Halak (bullshit), these playoffs were a big leap forward.

  4. Just A Guy says:

    Then Gauthier does indeed have a daunting task ahead of him, I don’t want to see what our “scoring” lines will look like if Halak resigns for that much or what Price’s confidence will look like without someone to take the reigns for another year. Perhaps I’m fixated on keeping Price around, in which case if Halak can play 55 or more games next season, perhaps Cedrick Desjardins can be a decent back up, but I still think its a serious question mark.

     

    As for the 30 mil cap space for..2011-2012, god this is getting confusing, keep in mind that number is without consideration of 5 our of 6 bottom 6 forwards and 2 goaltenders not signed. Maybe we can agree that the almost 32 million http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=2 will probably look more like 22-25? Regardless, its still 5 Defensemen and 2 top six forwads to sign in that season.

  5. TomNickle says:

    He played 70 games this season.

  6. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    escorts?

  7. pic1983 says:

    If you think an arbitrator is going to award halak 4.5 million you’re dreaming.  He hasnt played enough games compared to goalies who actually have that salary.  Martin brodeurs cap hit is only 5.2 million, and hes a lock for the hall of fame. 

  8. Le Jadester says:

    Ya ?  Perhaps I should have have said it differently.  In front of the mics and cameras he portray’s himself as this confident, coolguy and experienced coach. Personally I don’t see that, I see an act being put on for the public.  I don’t know what he is like in private. What I do think though, is that his decision making (i.e. lines, playing time for players, benchings etc.) shows his insecurity. Easy to always play your big money players and then use them as a scapegoat if you don’t win as opposed to taking chances with you less experienced players and actually coaching them with confidence to do better in the future.  JM  has been around for a while…….he knows how the business works.  Again IMO.  You can defend him all you want, I will always dislike him as our coach (unless he wins a cup, then I’ll eat my words and admit that I was wrong)

    Habs, OLE !

  9. pic1983 says:

    Dont forget, the player actually has to sign the offer sheet.  Carey is not going to sign an offer sheet for $1million/season, and if he does well match it in a heartbeat.  Any offer sheet for Carey that we wouldnt match im certain will have to top $3 million per season, at which point we get a 1st and a 3rd as compensation.

  10. TomNickle says:

    I think they’re almost as high on Zajac as they are Parise but your point is taken.

    Why move up for the mean streak of Mcilrath with Petrovic sitting right where we’re picking?

    Petrovic may be a poor man’s McIlrath but Gorges is a poor man’s Volchenkov.

  11. TomNickle says:

    $3.5 million will never happen for Halak.  Kari Lehtonen signed a 3 year deal in an identical contractual state as Halak worth $3.9 annually.

    Factor in the salaries of Vokoun, Nabakov, Turco and others who had similar if not worse seasons than Halak and this thing is going to get ugly.

    Like I’ve said numerous times.  Walsh will start negotiations at $5 million annually because he knows an arbitrator will award Halak a number very close to that.  In reality, Halak is getting no lower that $4.5 million and no higher than $6 million in arbitration.  That’s a very big window and in turn a lot of uncertainty for the Habs brass to digest.

    What you aren’t considering when discussing future cap obstacles is that we’re scheduled to have $30 million dollars in cap room as it stands.  That’s with a lot of unsigned players but certainly not a huge obstacle.

    Halak will make much more money than you’re giving him credit for.  That I can guarantee you.

  12. SeriousFan09 says:

    Add Zach Parise to that list, if Gaborik had been healthy in his NHL career, he’d make it there, franchise player ability, but not the durability for him sadly.

    This is going to be a very expensive draft to move up in I think. Bruins can potentially add a franchise forward and a Top-6 capable prospect this year. Canadiens would find it hard jumping more than five spots without a considerable cost, but if we grab Mcllrath, I like it. Need a mean streak on the back end.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  13. G-Man says:

    Other team coming in with an offer sheet for Price would be well above $1 mil/season. If not, the Habs simply match and then try to make a deal with the offering team.

  14. notbigbird says:

    But that’s got little to do with tanking, which is what this thread is about. Say it all you want, and you are right to some degree at least, but it ain’t gonna happen.

  15. G-Man says:

    Diplomat, then? GL is a vegan diplomat. There, but he’s still a waste of cap space and roster spot.

  16. Just A Guy says:

    It may be a case of a person being flat out wrong actually. the only way I see Halak’s departure helping the team is by bringing back affordable talent or picks.Gieven our track record on 1st rounders though…

  17. avatar_58 says:

    If 2010 playoffs Lapierre shows up day 1 of the new season I will be very happy

  18. TomNickle says:

    Alex Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Rick Nash and Jarome Iginla are the only wingers in the NHL worthy of being considered a franchise player.

    Are you saying that Niederreiter has that potential.

    Because I would rather keep my goalie and trade to 12-15 and draft Watson or Skinner.  They both are capable of having better careers.

  19. Just A Guy says:

    I am not the most savvy of desktop GM’s, this being my first attempt and all things considered, this discussion comes from the tiniest of anecdotes from a post dedicated mostly on how to fill out the all the roster without actually making a notable trade. But if you care to follow my logic be it flawed or not, RFA status to me is a way to keep your homegrown talent at home. I assume that even if his contract goes to arbitration, it would be extremely tough to get out of montreal without a trade or offer sheet, especially since my magical number of 3.5 million isn’t that unreasonable, once again an assumption. Now if this is infact, Illogical,  I would have you tell me so, which is pretty much what I’m seeing here.

    Now Halak’s return for affordable talent is just the situation we are in, diminished cap space. The scenario I threw together hardly gives any room at all, and while Hamrlik’s contract is gone after this season, there is still Markov’s contract to handle, Kostitsyn’s replacement or raise all the while keeping in mind Subban’s RFA status the year after. I might have skipped a thought process in text on that one, but to me, seems to be the only logical alternative if Halak becomes unaffordable.

     

  20. crabvader says:

    Nino Niederreiter.

  21. TomNickle says:

    I thought so it just isn’t applicable to Gauthier’s decision on whether or not to sign him long term or the decision that decides which goalie tends our net for the next 10 years.

  22. TomNickle says:

    I’ll say this about Max Lapierre.

    I could be wrong but I don’t think there’s a guy on this team that cares more about winning than he does.  Further to that, he does embrace challenges and elevated responsibilities.

    If there’s anyone on our roster that can come in and fill a spot admirably, it’s him.

    It says quite a bit about him that he stood up in front of veterans like Koivu and Kovalev in the playoffs two seasons ago and had to tell THEM that THEY weren’t working hard enough for the team to win.

     


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