The Bell application states:
Bell proposes a sports talk format targeting francophone males aged 18 to 54 to be known as RDS Radio. Bell states that the station would respond to the strong demand for sports programming recently created by the loss of CKAC’s all-sports format, and would repatriate the lost francophone male 18-54 tuning and advertising revenue to the French-language radio market. Bell added that the service would be complementary, rather than directly competitive, with existing Montréal radio stations.
Here’s Jason Magder’s Gazette story on the plan to create RDS 690.
RDS’s own story on the switch.
English radio broadcasts, which were carried on TSN 990 last season, would be moved to CJAD 800, which Bell is acquiring as part of its proposed purchase of Astral Media, a deal that requires CRTC approval.
Should its purchase of Astral be approved, Bell would become owner of CJAD and two Montreal FM music stations, Virgin Radio and CHOM. These additions to TSN 990, which Bell owns already, would the media colossus in contravention of a CRTC regulation that limits ownership in any market to three stations in the same language.
By switching to French all-sports, Bell’s English holdings in Montreal are reduced to the aforementioned trio of Astral stations.
Expect the sewage to hit the ventilation system big-time in Montreal as fans react to the loss of TSN 990.
The move comes less than a year after BEll received CRTC permission to change the English all-sports station’s frequency from 990 to 690, citing improved reception at the latter frequency in the western parts of Montreal island.
From the CRTC file:
Bell Media stated that the reception of station’s night-time signal is poor in Montréal, especially in the west end, and that the use of 690 kHz, which would result in better night-time protection as well as fewer constraints for protecting third adjacent signals, would bring a significant improvement to CKGM’s night-time coverage. As well, because 690 kHz has superior propagation qualities, the applicant indicated that the signal received in Montréal would be of better quality, daytime and night-time.
In seeking the frequency change, Bell told the CRTC technical problems had been a contributing factor in the poor financial performance of the erstwhile Team 990, which almost almost $5 million from 2007 to 2011.
The CRTC will conduct hearings on Bell’s latest applications in September.
It’s expected the Canadiens broadcasts will remain on TSN 990 for the 2012-’13 season.
French radio coverage of Canadiens games – which used to be on CKAC – is on 98.5 FM, a Montreal station that Bell doesn’t own.
• Former Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier is joining the Chicago Blackhawks as director of player personnel. He replaces Norm MacIver, who’s been promoted to become Hawks general manager Stan Bowman’s assistant.
That job was held by Marc Bergevin until the Canadiens hired him to succeed Gauthier.
• NHLPA main man Donald Fehr sounded reasonable after the Tuesday negotiating session. Chris Campoli is standing behind him in the video.
• An idea whose time has come: The Scotch martini
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They just signed Palushaj to a 1 year contract
2 way deal
http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=637775
He looks decent in the AHL but doesn’t stand out much in the NHL when he has been up
I agree, I think he will be hard pressed to make the team this season.
Habfan17
or ever I am afraid. I personally preferred Matt D’agostini. He struggled a bit last year as well
I didn’t he was that great when he came down and played either
Dudley is a fan of his. Gushed about him when asked, they’ll give him a chance to show his stuff.
Hard to stand out when you are mainly an offensive player and you are put exclusively on the fourth line with Blunden, Nokelainen, Darche, Engqvist, Staubitz, and other grinders as your linemates.
He needs a real chance with actual skilled guys.
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That is true but. I don’ t think he could take the spot of any of our top 6 players ahead of him. He won’t be in the habs system next year I would imagine
He’s still young at 22, and If a spot opens on Eller’s wing, I hope they give Palushaj the nod.
They would probably put LL there instead. Who knows though. If this season is like last year and have the team in injured
LL can go to Hamilton without waivers…. Palushaj would need to be waived.
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Tony Gallagher’s take on Poile and Weber being “surprised” Suter didn’t resign in Nashville.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/hockey/columnists/David+Poile+reaction+Suter+leaving+surprising/6919394/story.html?
I wonder what it feels like to be in a comma?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
You feel bent out of shape…
in a comma? It affects your semi-colon, and then later on you get your period.
Sounds like a real pain in the asterisk.
Full Breezer 4 Life
Ah hahahahahaha!
And what of Staubitz, what of Staubitz?
The Ducks signed Staubitz to a two-year contract.
He can fight Prust
Watch out for Brad’s left hook.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Bourque Plekanec Gionta
Moen Eller Leblanc
Armstrong White Prust
Gorges Subban
Markov Emelin
Kaberle Bouillon
Price
vs.
Lupal JVR Kessel
Macarthur Grabovski Kulemin
Bozak Mcclement Lombardi
Rosehill Steckel Brown
Gardiner Phaneuf
Liles Franson
Gunnarson Komi
Reimer
So…..how do we match up??
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
Out of curiosity, what happened to Frattin, Connoly?
haha sorry not to great with Leafs lineup…..feel free to add them in
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
Most likely Connolly will be in the presser nursing an injury…
When Rick Dudley was on the team 590 in Toronto earlier this week, he said that they have Prust playing on the 3rd line and killing penalties
Habfan17
oh yea…thats interesting. Either taking Moen’s spot or Leblanc’s I guess
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
I did hear that as well but I think that will be up to the coach. Unless they are looking for Prust to Centre and they are going to move someone. Prust – Moen- Armstrong. I don’t think we are in a position to move a centremen though
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Hello All,
This is my first post. I’ve been reading for a while now, and I thought this would be a good one to jump in on. As far as matching up goes, I feel the Habs are stronger, if only because all four lines are responsible defensively. The Habs have a better goaltender, better quality depth at centre, and more character throughout the lineup. I would give the edge on d to Toronto, but I expect my opinion on that will change around December. So, as I feel Montreal is better in 2 of the 3 crucial positions, I’d say Montreal is a better team. Though, maybe I should point out that since I grew up a Habs fan in the GTA, I really, really hate all that is “Leafs Nation”.
BTW your signature is awesome.
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Welcome aboard.
Yea, sometimes I like to see the lineups on paper to help me visualize them.
I agree with you though….I still feel overall we have the better team. I think we will definately hold an edge over them in team toughness this year. And of course….it always comes down to goaltending.
I am a huge Seinfeld fan…..I felt that quote is perfect for what goes on on this site, lol
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
It certainly is the perfect quote. Anybody who loves Seinfeld is alright with me.
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Welcome! I think Gardner is an excellent young dman, but I would take PK over Gardner. Phaneuf has become a pylon on the ice, defensivley irresponsible, particularly as a result of his poor skating. While he is more experienced than Emelin in NHL terms, I would rather take Emelin.
Liles is a pretty good offensive based defenceman, but I think Markov will play well and would prefer Markov over Liles.
I think Gunnarson is in the top 4 ahead of Franson, so in this comparison I would rather take Gorges over Gunnar.
At the 5/6 position perhaps Toronto is better only because they have size in Franson and Komi versus Kaberle and Cube.
When Markov is healthy, he is the Habs’ anchor on d. He’ll have 5 months or so to train for this season. He hasn’t had that luxury for a while. He’s a minute muncher and knows how to take care of his zone. He isn’t the number 1 anymore, and he should be a good mentor and complement to Emelin. Emelin is a wild card for me. If he comes to camp in great shape, I expect he’ll have a solid season. His plus/minus should improve this season.
I’d take PK over Gardiner any day. He should have his struggles this season, not unlike PK this past year. I feel the same way about Phaneuf. He can’t skate backwards. He’s not great skating forward come to think of it.
Gorges is a solid complement to PK, and I think those two will have a great year this year.
I gave TO the edge because of that third pairing. Like anybody else on here I would love to see two big boys on the third pair. I wouldn’t be upset if MB could land an unhappy Franson on the cheap.
There are three things certain in life: death, taxes, and that the leafs suck
Good luck on here.
Don’t get obsessed with line-ups, there is nothing more boring on here, but it’s the dog-days of summer and everything goes.
Yea…anything is better then all this political crap
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Welcome aboard! Oh by the way feel free to post any P.K Subban trade rumours. It would ensure that you dont stand out as a newbie LOL.
Just kidding. Glad you joined us and nice first post.
I thin Habs are better because our goaltending is way better than anything the Leafs can put out or acquire.
Well, Luongo would thrive in Toronto considering he wouldn’t have to worry about stealing wins in the playoffs.
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Any chance today’s part of the thread is political free?
Did you see Obama’s new ad campaign? Calling out Romney on his job stance… Big gamble.
SO NO, not political free any longer.
oh well……
I wish upon a shooting star…
Rene Levesque will be on here, chain smoking, dropping ash on his keyboard and posting as “pur laine”.
Don’t be fooled.
The nonsensical, illogical obsession with having a French coach for the Montréal Canadiens is a product of the divisive politics that took shape after the second referendum. This obsession, however, is not based on historical fact, for there have been only three cup winning French coaches to date. The other 21 victories belong to Dick Irvin, Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman. Vive les entraîneur-chefs non-francophone!
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Obsession ? Look at yourself in a mirror ! Who is obsessed ? Out of the blue you always bring back the language argument so you can bash anything french.
Up to a certain point things have to be delt with the knowledge of the candidate and language has nothing to do with that but one must also deal with reality and try his best to fill all requirements of the market he`s in.
Name droping is easy when you compare a 6 team league with today`s situation.
What’s political about that historical fact? The people who are screaming for everything French for the Montreal Canadiens are the ones who are making things political. Scotty Bowman’s teams were not part of the 6 team NHL.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
The Cube’s signing smells like a feel good move, they even gave him a slight raise from his previous cap hit. Anyways, it seems like it could be a one year deal so he can retire wearing the Sainte-flanelle.
For that reason alone I love it.
But I’m sure it’s not for that reason alone that we signed him; he still brings a hell of a lot on the ice every night.
Plus, as I said before, he has an arena named after him here in Hochelaga/Maisonneuve on my street, and he’s done tons for young people in the area. Keep the guys that love the place: they’ll play hardest for you.
Except maybe Kovy, but it can also be argued that he played hardest here, though it may not have looked like it at the time.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Frankie played over 17 minutes a game last year for a good Nashville team. Considering he had Weber and Suter ahead of him, those are good minutes, which shows he can still contribute a lot on the ice.
He’s defensively reliable, very physically strong, tough, and smart: he’ll be with Kaberle on the third pairing and sort that out nicely.
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Agree Bill. He will be no star, but he will offer something Diaz, Weber did not offer last year.
Truculence?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Like Shiram, I didn’t watch much hockey outside of the 76+ habs games I saw. I made an agreement with the wife to limit myself to only habs hockey when she is home (she thinks that is too much).
I like Frankie when he was here, but I do have concerns with him paired with Kaberle. Kaberle is so soft, and Frankie is small…. I know he makes the most of his size and he is a tough guy (especially when he is moving) but is anyone else concerned that the combination of the two might get pinned down along the boards…. mainly because of the puff pastry that is kaberle??
I could not agree more Mattyleg re: Bouillon.
the man can still play good hockey, playing about 17 minutes a night as a #5 or #6 d-man.
he will fight tooth and nail for every inch, especially in a Habs uniform.
it was a terrific signing.
He did play fairly decent minutes last year on a Nashville team which was much better defensively than the Habs. Also, I think the Hal Gill signing reeks of Poile making sure it looks like it was worth giving up the picks to get him. The interview Stubbs did with Gill awhile back, sounded like Gill was just hoping to be offered a contract, never mind getting a two year deal.
I think even if his play declined, his attitude and demeanor can help out on the team. But I have doubts about his play.
Shiram did you see him play last year very much?
I had Center Ice and was watching many of Nashville’s games.
I happen to like that team, and especially admire the job their coach does year in and year out.
Trotz, for my money, is right up there with Babcock.
Bouillon was solid, and a very valuable piece of the puzzle for nashville.
He can really skate, and he has not lost any of that jump.
Bouillon plays hard, he plays the same way every night, and he is thrilled to be Hab.
he will help us.
No I really don’t watch any other team, it already takes so much time just watching the habs!
But I’m glad there are people like you that take the time and care to watch those games and enligthen me. Everyone’s been putting him on the third trio, do you think he could take a top 4 spot on the Habs roster?
Who’s the Cube?
François Bouillon.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
*Francis Bouillon
Reference to a Boullion Cube – a flavoured cube you put into boiling water to make soup.
Armstrong, Bourque, Eller, Gomez, Moen, Nokelainen, Prust, White… Plenty of players for the bottom 2 lines.
Cole, MaxPac, DD, Pleks, Gionta….. What we are missing is a clear cut top 2 line player.
We got Bourque and Eller who can do it.
But I dont think we need any more bottom feeders.
WE NEED SHANE DOAN.
I would love to have Doan but realistically I don’t see it happening. He will sign in the desert again most likely. They say it is loyalty but I think it is he likes the anonymous life style where he makes millions and doesn’t have to worry about the media or people hassling him.
I really couldn’t see him going to a real hockey market
Plus living there for all those years, building a home, friendships and all that.
and that yes. I think his family really likes it there
I really don’t see him leaving
If he does leave, I’d bet it won’t be for MTL.
I’m with Shiram. Especially with what happened with those infamous anti-French comments. THink he wants to come here and be attacked over them night-in night-out?
Should have picked up Wojski. At $600,000 for a year, he would have been worth the risk to see if he could have done well as the 2nd line left wing with Pleks and Gionta
Habfan17
Whose to say he wanted to come here? In Washington he gets to play with Ovechkin and Backstrom. Here, he half of his already meager pay taken away.
Give the kids in Hamilton time. You don’t build a contender overnight. With Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Collberg, Kristo and company fighting for spots, we’ll have our solid top 6.
July 12, 1962-
It was 50 years ago today the Rolling Stones played their first gig under this name at the Marquee Club ( Actually it was Rollin’ Stones).
Time flies…
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The British Invasion – I remember it well.
10 years being good.
40 years being their own Beatlemania, touring the world playing their hits.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
you’re right HF.
Exile on Main Street was the last good album- though they peaked between ’65 and ’69 (Let it Bleed)
EDIT- Habs also peaked as well- 4 Cups in 5 years ’65-’69
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Paging Mr. Bellyful:
Little Suzie so loved the ballet, she would dance and dance and dance, but she hurt her knee and can’t do ballet anymore, she misses it so much now she sometimes gets ballet aches…
Ouch …
It’s what can happen when you dance tutu much.
“May you live in interesting times.”
LOL.
Anyone else watching the Tour de France?
Deadly stage today.
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1000!
Here are the three guys left who might be able to help out the Habs on cheap, one year contracts. Especially if you feel a bit uptight about only having Noke as your only option as a 4th line pivot. I say let these guys dangle until August and then grab one of them. Same goes for Jim Vandermeer on the D. Worst case scenario is that we lose the player on the waiver wire. Bios are from THN.
Peter Mueller, C/LW/RW/PP.
The 24-year-old Mueller scored 22 goals for Phoenix in his rookie year of 2007-08, but has since struggled with concussion woes. He appeared in just 32 games last year, but finished relatively healthy and amassed seven goals and 16 points. A risky, but intriguing gamble.
Dominic Moore, C.
The well-traveled two-way pivot has played for nine NHL teams, including the Lightning and Sharks, for whom he combined to post 21 assists and 25 points last season. His wife’s battle with cancer is clearly his first priority, but if things work out for the best, the 31-year-old Moore has enough speed and savvy to be a solid contributor.
Jason Arnott, C.
He averaged just 14:05 of ice time and 20.7 shifts with St. Louis in 2011-12, but Arnott’s experience and calming influence on a mercurial, young Blues team should not be undervalued. He’ll be 38 in October and is a virtual certainty to miss a handful of games each year, but Arnott still scored 17 goals and 34 points. He has something to offer a contender that can use him sparingly.
Jim Vandermeer, D/LW.
He’s a decent third pairing option or a solid 7th Dman who doesn’t mind filling in. Brings a physical element to the game (tough as nails) although he can get exposed at times due to his limitations as he gets caught out of position (which is why he’s a depth Dman!) He also can take the odd turn up on LW on the 4th line. A bit injury prone as well.
Good calls all around. Don’t think Arnott will come to montreal, he’s looking to chill out at the end of his carreer but I suppose if it’s the only cheque, he’ll take it.
I liked moore the last time we had him, smart player and seems to make the big plays when needed.
Vandermeer would be nice to have, I suspect people will start hating him despite his toughness for his pylon immitations but he’d be better than Weber or Diaz who often immitate pylons who aren’t tough and cough up the puck.
pipes
Weber and Diaz were essentially rookies last year. Unless you are a Subban or a Doughty it takes years to learn to play D in the NHL.
Vandermeer will not be getting any better. He serves no purpose if we have Bouillon. I’d rather let Weber and / or Diaz gain experience to see if they can eventually make it.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
There is hope for Diaz, though I would prefer to see him “learn” somewhere else.
I think Weber is hopeless. Unfortunately he thinks he’s much better than he is..if he changed that attitude maybe but I don’t see it happening.
pipes
Peter Mueller signed yesterday I believe
edit – Signed with florida
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880
His signing may not be listed yet.
As for HFS72, Vandermeer would strictly be insurance in case Bouillon gets hurt. Totally a depth move.
I also wonder exactly what Bouillon will bring. I get his playing above his weight, huge heart and nostalgic ties to the team. But the guy is still 5’8″ and 37 years old. I don’t know. Not to mention that Nashville gave up on him and kept Gill instead on a two-year deal. Makes you wonder a bit.
http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4765:florida-panthers-sign-peter-mueller&catid=19:nhl-deals&Itemid=117
He signed yesterday for 1.75.
I 100% agree about Frankie B. Why you would sign a 37 year old undersized D man is beyond me. I would thank MT influence on that one as they like each other. I used to like the cube when he was here but I think that ship might have sailed. He does play physical but lets face it I don’t think he intimidates anyone from standing in front of the net. Our D is currently not in very good shape.
I also don’t get why they would signs noks when they good have grabbed Moore. Moore is better at face offs and can move up in the line up when there are injuries. He was clutch in that playoff run.
I am being patient to see what happens but this team still has some major holes that need to be addressed up front and on the back end.
1.75. Wow, that’s higher than I thought. The Habs probably would have had to go over the 2M mark to sign him.
Oh well, I guess it’s back to Rene Bourque!
That sucks I was hoping we would take a chance on him. Oh well
So… I googled Jim Vandermeer and it turns out he once beat up Milan Lucic.
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Ah, what George Laraque should have done but instead just skated around the ice asking him politely if they could fight.
George thought he was being paid 1.5 million for his skating ability
Where, in the parking lot?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
I don’t think we need another 6/7 defenceman.
Unless its a top 4, don’t bother.
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He reportedly signed for $1.725 yesterday but it has not been posted on the Panthers web site. Probably conditional on a medical check up. Same thing happened with Colby Armstrong.
No question Steve…Moore.
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Why do we want these 3rd or sometime 4th line guys? Don’t we have these guys in Hamilton, if given 12 min. a game, could get 20+ pts.? They deserve a shot. Other than a big defenceman I have to think we are done.
There is no one in Hamilton outside the possibility of Brendon Nash.
That’s a year away from now. At this moment in time, we’re just trying to compete and hold our own. Best way to do that is with cheap, stop-gap players.
St. Denis as well don’t forget…same mold as Diaz, Weber but I actually like St Denis better
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I did forget!
I guess I’m just looking for someone that can kick ass when necessary.
unfortunately, we don’t have any of those
Between Pleks, DD, Eller, Gomez, Nokie, and White…. I would say a 3rd line center isnt really what we need.
With Markov, PK, Gorges, Kaberle, Bouillon, Emelin and Weber I wouldnt say we needed a defenseman.
I think Mueller is the only one there who could help us. I would like to gamble on him.
Gomez won’t be playing 4th line minutes at 7.3M and White is no longer a centre on the team’s depth chart. Same goes for Leblanc. Noke is marginal at best.
As for the defense, outside of Bouillon, an aging depth defenseman, it’s the same gang as last year. Certainly wasn’t good enough, especially when it came to size and grit.
This is not the Gainey/Gauthier /Martin era. Gomez will get want they want to give and his salary means nothing at this point to the new Management team.
Mueller signed with Florida yesterday
I would take a flyer on Mueller if he would do like Wojski did with the Capitals, sign a one year contract around $600,000.
Mueller/Borque – Pleks – Gionta
Mueller/Bourque – Eller – Prust
Habfan17
Mueller signed for 1.75 millions, with the Panthers.
wow, good deal for him! Not much left for the Habs if they were looking. At least not much in the way of potential at a reasonable cap hit
Habfan17
As a retired steelworker who has spent roughly 25 years of that time as an involved union-member, and one who has sat at the negotiating table, and one who has been through lengthy strikes (one 3-month and one incredible 10-month strike), I have to say that what I saw, and heard, in that Don Fehr video has me concerned.
Typical union-speak and union posturing. Add to that the puppet-like grimacing and nodding at the appropriate times of dues-paying Chris Campoli in the background, and it has deja vu written all over it for me.
It could have been a video with Gary Bettman, and one of the owners in the background, nodding and grimacing. It’s the same thing regardless of which side of the table you sit at.
Sure they have had some meetings and discussions, but they haven’t gotten to the meat and potatoes issue yet…MONEY. That doesn’t happen until the final hour. Both sides have to take it to the deadline. It’s the only real power they have. They’ll wait and see who blinks. If neither side does…we will not have hockey in October. I’m not feeling very confident right now as a hockey fan.
I think you are right on! They are dealing with the easier peripheral issues. Talk “centered” around safety and travel then “exchanged their positions on major issues”
” Fehr said Tuesday’s talks centered on player safety and travel. He said the sides also exchanged their positions on major issues such as revenue sharing, team salary floors, free agency and conference alignment.”
The other issue is Don Fehr and his legacy. He has won just about every feud he fought when with the MLBPA. He won’t go out losing to Gary Bettman of all people
Punkster, sad news about Little Jimmy: He acted up in English class during summer school and had to write out The Charge of the Light Brigade 10 times. Now he suffers from Tennyson elbow.
That one smells like the Dickens.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
You need to lower your Expectations
Don’t Twist his words.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Having a hard times joining the pun.
“May you live in interesting times.”
C’mon, Dombey such a killjoy, give it a try.
Had fun sharing some chuzzle wit you all this morning.
“May you live in interesting times.”
A tale of two witties.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Not much wonder. History erroneously recorded that Cardigan lead the charge. However Little Jimmy, being an astute scholar of G.M. Fraser, was simply demonstrating the real actions that lead to that ill advised venture.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
I think it was because he brought a lightsaber to class
Edit: We just hit the 1,000 comment mark!! Anyone care to do a synopsis?
Here goes:
- trade ‘em…trade ‘em all !!!
- why didn’t we sign a $600k plug?
- left wing, right wing…just gimme the whole damned chicken.
- HI/O has become the Bleak House of hockey
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Well done. You touched on the highlights without getting into the theatrics and re-igniting hostilities. Circumspect and concise. Your circumcision is to be commended.
Man, you could have told me my fly was open.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Should have tipped you off.
“May you live in interesting times.”
At $600,000 the Habs should have signed Wojski. If he clicked with Pleks and scored 20 goals it would have been a worth while investment. If it didn’t work out, it is a low cost risk and at one year!
Habfan17
With taxes, Washington being a better team, and fan and media pressure there is no proof that Montreal would have got him at the same price.
There is always a bit of a premium to play here.
Go Habs Go!
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We have Bourque to score 20 goals.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
One season?
“May you live in interesting times.”
Even better: four!
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GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
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Habs took a gamble on Armstrong, he could pot in anywhere from 5 to 20. One gamble is enough for now.
I think we already have a potential star on our hands. This article gives us some perspective on Lars Eller and the fact that he did most of his learning as a young NHLer.
http://www.allhabs.net/feature/dont-forget-about-lars/
It shows you his progress vs. Plekanec and Datsyuk who both entered the NHL at a later age than Lars. Gave me a brand new appreciation of Eller.
Here are their stats by age:
*******Lars Eller *******Tomas Plekanec *****Pavel Datsyuk
Age 20 : 7 GP (2-0-2)********AHL*************Russia
Age 21: 77 GP (7-10-17)****2 GP (0-0-0*******Russia
Age 22: 79 GP (16-12-28)****Lockout (AHL)*****Russia
Age 23: 2012-13********67 GP (9-20-29)****70 GP (11-24-35)
Age 24: 2013-14********81 GP (20-27-47)***64 GP (12-39-51)
j.p. murray
This really tells us nothing with the only comparable years having no comparison for us to make. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with this. If we had stats from Plekanec & Datyuk from the same age as Eller, you might be onto something. All this says is Eller started playing in the NHL pretty young, and that really doesn’t prove that he’ll be a star.
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“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
I’ll see your scotch martini and raise you one overly literal dermestid beetle…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgxk88KNDg
hey guys
i have been on this site for quite a while, before the new look, before the mods, still when JD had her in between period analysis… man those were hilarious if some of you still remember.
i used to post way more frequently, but school and work really got in the way.
I was wondering if some of the veterans here know what happened to some of the guys like Berkshire, Bugs (I know Rice has his own thing now after Stubb’s article on Fleury).
Thankfully Timo is still here… oh man this site would be dead without him
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The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given
Bugs has disappeared- or has another user name. Something about the Twin Towers and conspiracy theories.
Berkshire is into insane stats and you can read his, um, stuff here:
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/7/11/3152017/tinordi-and-beaulieu
Someone else who disappeared last year is JD, who used to write extremely intelligent and funny posts. He always put -in’ instead of -ing. Anyone know where he went?
Danno, too. He was a beaut. Yeats (and his alter-egos) still comes by from time to time
Respectfully, Pat Hickey was the one who wrote the article about Theoren Fleury after the Graham James sentencing.
“May you live in interesting times.”
NCAA Hockey, or CHL? Where should a prospect go?
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Following copied from apon Basu twitter.
@SaveTSN990 #SAVETSN990 RALLY to be held at 8pm at @mcleanspub on AUGUST 4th -> RT IF YOU WILL ATTEND – LET’S MAKE OUR VOICE HEARD
Seems there is some groundswell to save TSN990. I think I may attend.. even if only to meet people.
I’m in.
I’ll be the 5’5″ guy with the short haircut and beer belly.
EDIT: I’ll be more specific. 5’5″ guy with short dark oily hair, beer belly and a Habs t-shirt.
i am out of town all of summer..on the west coast..thus me posting at late hours, so unfortunately i won’t be able to attend.
but please go out and support this guys… the anglohpones of quebec are way to passive (i being one of them)..also have a pint for me
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Hurrah! Harpon Baitsyou to the rescue. It’ll be a gathering to drink to TSN990′s demise, but that’s about it. Kind of like the insane Kovalev rally where 200 people showed up and about 3 million people either ignored them or laughed. Get over it.
Is it just me or is this post very offensive? Get over it? Probably a hundred people losing their jobs and a lot of people also losing a great radio station, and that’s all the sentiment you can muster? I never cared for your thoughts on the Habs…now I just don’t care much for you.
The problem with Canadians is we let everything just happen without putting up any sort of fight. I am not overly optimistic, but if enough people complain, maybe even the CRTC will see they are being unfair to a population base and change the ruling.
Thanks for the vote of confidence though.
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“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
Bell made the decision to buy Astral Media, knowing full well it would cause them to “lose” a station. The very low ratings on TSN990 are what led to this radio station’s demise. It’s like the Expos 5000 fans at the Big Owe. With no support, they left.
Businesses close every day and people lose their jobs. It is just the way it is. If TSN990 really was a great radio station, more people would have been listening and it wouldn’t be the same 20 people calling in all the time.
Next time, see my avatar and scroll down to the next post.
Thanks for the advice. I’ll take it starting……NOW.
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“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
typical…don’t bother me none ppfffttttt !!!
take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…
I’m Gonna say it again: Trading for Kane would be like throwing a match into a gas tank and not expecting it to blow up
Knowing him, he would likely be found dead within a week of being traded in some sleazy strip joint with a pound of coke up his nose, panties around his throat and a wad of $100 bills shoved in his mouth.
Way to honor the Blue-Blanc-Rouge you guys……..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny stuff.
LMAO
It’s funny cuz it’s true!
Would you do it: Pleks and Eller for Huberdeau and Skille?
yes
of course we should do this.
Florida won’t do it.
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in a split second
Twice if I could.
Not in a million years.
Yeah me neither.
Huberdeau at the Memorial Cup reminded me of Latendresse. Lots of shake and bake, signifying very little.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Much against my better judgement, I’m going to jump into the whole Tim Thomas debate – and swear to God it’s one and done. Just so you know where I’m coming from up front, my politics are so far left of any recognized political party in Canada (never mind the US) that you can’t even see my house from where the NDP hang their hats. My heroes are guys like Hugo Chavez & Fidel Castro. I am constantly cheering for the ongoing swing to the left in Latin America to permanently pull it out of the US sphere of influence and into true independence (although I fear the coup in Honduras and the recent mini-coup in Paraguay are a sad sign of things to come).
That being said, I fully support Thomas’ right to snub the White House to make a political statement. I think much of what he says is true, but not for any of the reasons he would cite. Regardless, if I am going to cheer for Steve Nash and Ali for making their very public statements, it would be hypocritical of me to deny that right to Tim Thomas.
And commandant – yes I’m sure that you’re right that it is a distraction to his team-mates and may have impacted their performance. All I can say to that is that there are things far more important than winning sporting contests. When someone feels strongly about their political convictions, it would be the ultimate form of cowardice not to state them clearly. Ali went to jail for his beliefs, it’s not too much for Thomas to risk a drop in performance of the Bruins.
According to my principles, I need to stand up against US imperialism and their insane war against any country that won’t toe the line and do whatever the US business elite wants them to (including handing over anything of any value in the way of resources or cheap labor).
As for the statement that the US government is out of control and destroying their own constitution – there is no question about that whatsoever. But the real crimes would just leave Tim scratching his head.
The various homeland security acts violate American citizens’ constitutional rights so much that there is almost nothing left of them. The US president has now decided unilaterally that he can execute anyone in the world (including US citizens) if he in his infinite wisdom decides they are a threat to US “security”. And this is not just a hypothetical as they have already deliberately killed a US citizen in a drone attack. Habeus corpus has stood up in western countries for 100s of years – it’s now officially a thing of the past in the US.
The war against Iraq was the “ultimate war crime” (quoting the US judge at the Nuremberg war crimes trials) – an unprovoked war of aggression. If there were any justice, Bush and his whole sorry bunch of neocons would have been on trial in front of the International Court of Justice. Over a million Iraqis died based on a pack of lies when everyone outside North America knew that Iraq was completely disarmed and starving.
The US is a signing partner to the Geneva Conventions and the UN charter and under US law these international agreements have the weight of US law. Both of these state clearly that armed aggression is strictly forbidden (other than in very particular circumstances of self-defense from imminent attack). So even under US law the attacks on countries like Iraq are illegal (never mind the fact that only congress can declare war and presidents constantly starts wars now without congressional approval).
And now – as everyone quickly forgets all the lies that led up to the attack on Iraq (remember the WMD we were going to find?) – the US government, along with their cheering squad in the media are laying the groundwork for a war against Iran.
The only slight problem being that the grounds are once again totally specious. In the last 2 National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) on Iran, all 16 US intelligence agencies agreed that there is no evidence that Iran has any nuclear weapons program. But why would you believe those guys, just because you spend 100s of billions of dollars annually on them?
I think it was Noam Chomsky who said (and I’m paraphrasing) “There is only one party in the US, the money party, and it has 2 wings.” Anyone who thinks that Obama is a progressive, let alone a socialist only has to look at what he’s done since he got into office. He got elected with big money from the financial sector and they owned him from day 1.
He just looks progressive compared to the tea party nuts destroying the Republican party. The truth is that the US has been moving to the right consistently since the middle of the 70s almost without interruption.
The only solution the US has to any problem – internal or external – is to start another war. Popularity falling going into midterm elections? start a war. Economy tanking? start a war to distract people. Employment crisis caused by offshoring all your industry to China or other cheap labor countries? time to do the dirty boogie with your partners in the armaments industry.
And for anyone who has made it this far, I would highly recommend reading Dave Zirin for a decidedly left wing slant on the politics of sports.
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Great, just what we need: a Left wing nut to catfight the right wing nut while us rational people sit, watch, and laugh.
^^^ obligatory sheeple response.
Tell me. Who herds themselves in the street like cattle? Isn’t the whole idea behind “solidarity” to think with, excuse me, bray with, one mind? All these people who claim to want to change the world don’t really want to change it themselves. They want others to roll up their sleeves and do all the dirty work and heavy lifting, while they sip their lattes and wax poetic on the revolution.
There are other ways a high profile athlete like Tim Thomas can make a political statement and draw attention to his cause, without overshadowing the special day of 25 plus teammates, coaches, and team execs who also worked for their day in the sun.
Selfishness is still selfishness, and taking away from what should be a day that others would remember for the rest of their lives by taking it and making a scene and a controversy is flat out wrong.
This is especially true when he would have had other opportunities that would not rain on his teammates parade.
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So do you think Steve Nash was out of line when he got the Suns to wear jerseys saying “Los Suns” to protest the anti-immigrant legislation being passed in Arizona? It certainly disrupted his team and took attention away from their game.
How about John Carlos and Tommy Smith’s clenched fist black power salute at the 68 Olympics? A moment that shook the world.
This isn’t selfishness, it’s political activism. There is often a very real price to be paid by the athletes involved – Ali went to jail. These are the times when the world is watching that you can make these statements. It’s not selfish, exactly the opposite. It’s risking your career for something you consider more important.
People in other walks of life and other countries risk imprisonment, torture and death to make political statements. Sorry but upsetting a photo op doesn’t really count for too much in that light.
I know we’re all Habs fans and we live and die with their success. But living and dying in this way is figurative. There is a larger world out there that is way more important than who wins the Stanley Cup.
You may not agree, but Steve Nash, Ali and Tim Thomas certainly do.
None of those examples overshadowed what should be a special moment for a teammate. None of those took away from someone else’s once in a lifetime moment. This is a big part of the selfishness that Thomas is guilty of displaying.
The examples you give are personal sacrifice for the greater good. Thomas is forcing teammates to sacrifice, in many ways for something that they do not believe in.
If you want to give up your own reputation, put yourself in jail, give up your own career for your cause, thats a commendable act.
If you take away from someone else’s joyous moment to make your point… that is selfish and should be condemned.
Thats the difference between your examples and Tim Thomas.
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special moment? i think he gave them enough special moments with the cup win. if they cant appreciate that and take their bonus photo with the president that would not have happened without tim thomas…. then thats pretty damn petty if you ask me. tim did the right thing that day and has forever earned my respect.
One man does not win the Stanley Cup.
As well as Thomas played, I didn’t see him score any goals.
This is a team sport at the end of the day. So don’t give me that he deserves to be allowed to take away from any other player’s moment in their special visit to the white house. Thomas created a media fire storm, a huge distraction and a negative atmosphere around what should have been a positive moment for each of those players.
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Thomas didn’t create the media buzz, the media did that themselves and it was the media that put a negative spin on it.
Myself, I see it the opposite way as you. Thomas felt like he had a platform to promote something he felt was more important than hockey. Something he felt effected a whole country, not just twenty five guys. Perhaps it is the twenty-five guys that are being selfish for not supporting a teammate that felt he was doing the right thing by not showing up.
Thomas posting his reasons for not going on his facebook created the media stir. Absolutely.
When James Harrison didn’t show up for the Steelers, it didn’t get like this. Because it wasn’t so steeped in politics.
If Thomas had merely said nothing and not showed up, it wouldn’t have geen a huge issue… so yes his actions in making this a political protest drew the media attention.
There were other times and other places he could have made his political statement that wouldnt have effected his teammates.
As for the other 25 guys, they have no obligation to show their support to a clearly controversial political stance. No obligation to support Thomas’ beliefs as they may not agree with them (most people dont)
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Nash risked a lot more than Timmy. Timmy’s on the money side of the ledger, Nash was/is more on the people side.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
wind bag
take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…
Your hero is Hugo Chavez? The man who is destroying my native country? You probably have never been to Venezuela, but ever since he was elected, the country has been declining fast. Caracas is the murder capital of the world and there are more poor people than ever. All of this is due to his “socialism,” which really means nationalizing industries and taking the profits for him and his supporters. The military is in his pocket, elections are a joke, and the FARC gets easy access to refuge across the border. On top of that, Mexican drug cartels have starting moving in on the region and the guy has done nothing about it.
Quite a hero you have.
And on the subject that the US’ solution to a problem is to start a war… yeah, look at US history and you’d see wartime presidents prove to be unpopular. The Iraq war as a big mistake but if you do the research, the US was trying to act preemptively, and the FYI the NIEs did not say there is no evidence, they said Iraq seemed to be progressing in WMD capacity.
So yeah, don’t go believing all the cynical conspiracies, there is a lot of wrong and injustice, but the explanation and solution is not in a shady conspiracy theory.
Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.
omg I’m so glad i read this! you said it man! way to go!!! more people are waking up everyday, and once they’re awake, they cant get back to sleep.
Price should have dropped that SOB when he had the chance!
You have an opinion you are allowed to express, not so in some of your socialist countries.
You realize you do not have to live in North America. Cuba is a very poor country and the people have nothing.
Saddam Husian was a training ground for terrorist and he killed his own people with his two sons by torture and poison gas.
He saber rattled and would not cooperate with inspectors. The states could have said they found weapons of mass destuction and know one would have be any wiser.
Socialism does not work, witness the former Soviet Union. Mexico is a poor country and people are trying to sneak into America all the time. United States is the best neighbor Canada could have. They are big enough to invade us and take it over if that was their desire.
You can always leave and go live permanently in Mexico or a country of your choosing.
I agree Tim Thomas has a right to take any stand he wishes, but, for a guy that makes millions of dollars under this system it seems rather silly. What exactly does he have to complain about.
The door does swing both ways…..so if people feel strongly about a system and hate it so……..leave….try your luck somewhere else.
wjc
Simple question if you dare answer.
Blackhawks trade Kane, Leddy and ?? (say Stalberg) to Mtl for Subban and Pleks.
Do we take back everything we thought about Gauthier.
I would do Kane for Pleks straight up, and then sign Arnott to take Pleks’ spot at C. Arnott can be a stop-gap move until Leblanc or AlexG is ready.
I would not do the deal. I like kane, but I need to keep Subban here.
I think trading Subban to the Hawks would work out the same way as the last time we traded that caliber of dman to the Hawks.
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sad but true!
That flew over my head…..why are some of the fretful 50 so intent on trading Plekanics. Could it be the Gomez comeback.
wjc
With Stuart signing with the Sharks, plus Vlasic getting a big extension, and of course Boyle and Burns… I wonder if Douglas Murray becomes available.
2.5 million, last year of his contract.
He’d be a nice pickup for the Habs.
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That would be SOO awesome!!
WOW! That would be just what we need in defense.
mmmm…. want some pickleeessss…
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The Pickle is with the Sharks.
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Wait…we’re at 935 comments.
I hear Little Jimmy calling out to us.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Phoenix Coyotes on ‘safer’ ground now. The attempt to put a preposition on the ballot that would have jeopardized any purchase deals has been rejected due to technicality.
Oh my God! Our GM didn’t sign Wolski! But we only have like a dozen players that can play on the 3rd line!
That’s it, I’m off to burn down the lab again.
__________________________________________________________________ “Never give up control. Live life on your own terms. Every life comes with a death sentence.”
Could you please stop off at Pollos on the way? I’m hungry. And don’t worry about not paying; the boss isn’t around.
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I won
__________________________________________________________________ “Never give up control. Live life on your own terms. Every life comes with a death sentence.”
I just heard a rumour:
People are making stuff up.
Details at the moment are sketchy at best.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Source?
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Rumour circulating around Bellevile is that a self-addressed stamped envelope arrived at Ian Cobb’s home. Apparently someone named Kane wants to attend HIO summit and ingratiate himself with the fans of his new team. He will be bringinging a busload of jersey #76 for auction at a greatly reduced price.
Source:Bellevile’s office of Her Majesty’s Mail.
Let’s just say I am very close to him.
Very very close.
It could even be said that I am him.
Sketchy.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Joe Friday would make ‘em tell the truth…he’d sweat it out of ‘em…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxhuUdZzGYw
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Just the facts, ma’am.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Colby Armstrong tweeted a response about a photo today.
http://twitter.com/wheelingprobs/status/223185550604120066/photo/1
You guys should definitely take a look.
“armdog “@wheelingprobs: Possibly the best wedding picture I’ve ever seen. pic.twitter.com/F9UAr3QR” hahaha omg is this real? #boomboomwithbridesmaids “
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!..Especially that!
Put me in the picture, please put me in the picture, please, please put me in the picture. Can I be in the picture? How about letting me be in the picture. How about it? Eh?
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Truly amazing,i don’t think they make wooden bridges for trains like that anymore.
I think that the second from the left might actually be a guy.
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When guys begin to look like any of the ladies in that wedding party I am not only switch-hitting.. I’m gonna be crowding the plate.
Just to put Tim Thomas’s white house snub in the proper perspective, may I present a list of people who have snubbed the sitting president.
Susan Boyle, yes that Susan Boyle, refused to attend a White House invitation. Obama was heard to quip “First I get snubbed by a Tea-Partyer and now by someone who has been to too many tea-parties”… OK I made up the fat joke…. sue me.
Nobel Prize author William Faulkner refused a dinner invitation from John Kennedy, saying “I’d rather be in hell than anywhere you are”.
Well he did say that but not on this occasion.. it just sounds good. What he did say was “Why that’s a hundred miles away.. that’s a long ways to go just to eat.”
In 1982, Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s son, much like Thomas, snubbed Reagan because he did not believe in his politics.
Senator Jesse Helms also snubbed a Reagan invitation for a state dinner with Mikhail Gorbachev. Senatory Helms, a noted segregationist, said he couldnt bear socializing with a white man whose birthmark was coloured. Ok I made up the race joke.. sue me. But Helms did say that he couldnt bear “socializing with Gorbachev”.
Former President Herbert Hoover refused to attend Kennedy’s 1961 inauguration. His plane circled D.C a few times and citing bad weather Hoover set off for Miami to do some fishing. Now there’s a politician who has his prorities straight.
A group of PGA Ryder Cup golfers planned to snub President Clinton. But they were convinced that nobody cared what Golfers thought and fearing that that would be a double-bogey PR wise they relented and attended. Or maybe golfers just cant pass up a free drink, regardless of their politics.
Maybe the worst snub of a President though was during the civil war. During that time Lincoln who rarely ‘lived’ at the White House, had travelled to the General McClellan’s house and waited in the parlour to see the General. The General came home and promptly went upstairs to bed, refusing to see the President of the Republic.
Lincoln got his payback by relieving the infamously passive General of his command in 1862 with this typically wry quote, “If General McClellan isn’t going to use his army, I’d like to borrow it for a time.”
Having said all that fear ye not. Legally you do not need ‘an invitation’ to the White House. The White House is the only ‘private’ residence of a head of state that is open to the public free of charge.
Tim Thomas can visit the White House as often as he wishes while he takes his year’s sabbatical.
Having said all that fear ye not. Legally you do not need ‘an invitation’ to the White House. The White House is the only ‘private’ residence of a head of state that is open to the public free of charge.
Tim Thomas can visit the White House as often as he wishes while he takes his year’s sabbatical.
As long as he wears a disguise.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
The San Jose Sharks have re-signed defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic to a five-year contract extension.
Wojtek signs with Washington.
Wolski to Capitals for $600k.
Why the Habs would not take a chance to pick him up for nothing practically and stick him in the 3rd or 2nd line. At a minimum this guy is very good in shootouts and we need all the help we can get with Price in nets during shootouts.
Another miss by Bergevin.
Th canadiens made a mistake hiring this rookie.
If he’s a 2nd liner how come the low ball deal? And if he’s a 3rd liner don’t you think we have quite enough of those now?
***Subbang Baby!!!***
I love re-runs.
It’s a whole déjà vu all over again moment.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
How about a rerun of 1993?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
The Caps were smart to sign him. And if signed with the Canadiens for $600k, you would be applauding the move, so give it a rest.
You may be alone on this one alfie, judging by the comments below.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
You’re not alone, alfie. For that price I would have given him a shot.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Wolski has burned every bridge that has been before him in the NHL. I could care less.
Ha, its moments like this that make you love HIO. Ripping the GM for not signing a player who signed for $75K over the league minimum. Doesn’t sound like many real GMs think he is a 2nd or 3rd liner player judging by the contract he signed.
at least MG is just as bad as the other 28 GMs that missed this deal… PHEW
600k from 4 million last season. Rangers didn’t want him. Panthers didn’t want him…. THE PANTHERS DIDN’T WANT HIM… Rangers put him in the AHL. Last guys the rangers put in the ahl… Sean Avery and Wade Redden…
Let the Caps take a chance on him. I guess they didn’t learn their lesson with Semin. But at least it isn’t any cap hit.
What kind of confidence does this kid have if he signed for 600k. Less than Jeff Halpern.
Bergevin did miss about 50 players and is to blame for everyone of them he did not sign. Why sign players like Wolski that can be replaced by any other average player ?
Do you really think that he would make a difference ? Even a big name player would not make a difference next season. Time will…
Rumor- PK, Plekanec to Hawks for Kane and Leddy no further details…
Exactly. I mean why would anyone need details?
***Subbang Baby!!!***
I was just curious if someone else heard anything. Personally I just think it’s talk as usual.
OK then, though you may want to ask it as a question. Your comment reads like a late breaking news bulletin…with no details, of course.
Now sit tight. There’s bound to be a response or two that will confirm this, or not, in the usual HI/O confirm/deny/make-up-shite- to-appear-knowledgeable format.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
I’ve been hearing a lot of PK and Pleks for Kane + …it is so lopsided in the Hawks favor, it would go down as one of the worst trades in history.
Kane is not bad but. I’m not sure about this Leddy Guy
GP G A P +/-
2007-08 82 21 51 72 -5
2008-09 80 25 45 70 -2
2009-10 82 30 58 88 +16
2010-11 73 27 46 73 +6
2011-12 82 23 43 66 +7
He’s been declining in stats since the last time they won the cup. He’s only reached 30 goals once in his career do we really need another passer? He has also been playing with one of the best centers in the game in Toews. Giving up PK AND Pleks is way too much
It actually would be the worse trade in Habs history; worse than Chelios for Savard; worse than the Recchi trade, worse than Langway, etc.
If he is actually dumb enough to trade PK, I must say that he would be even worse than Gauthier.
I like this rumour, it would be good for both like any trade should be. It is not the end of world to trade good for good.The Hawks need a defenceman and we need a top 6 forward. The hawks are not going to take Weber for Kane for example as that would not be fair adn we would not get Kane. I believe this rumour make sense for both teams, I hope it works out and we get Kane!
Cammalleri will get 30 goals easily the coming season if he stays healthy and we will all wonder why he couldn´t do it with Montreal. I just hope and prey Bourque gets at least over twenty so that that trade is not a total disaster.
Never get rid of a proven playoff clutch performer.
I’d be happier going into the season with Cammy in the top 6 than Bourque.
I have read Thomas’ statement- presumably the rationale behind his decision to skip the WH ceremony. For somebody this vocal on politics, he couldn’t be or sound more unsophisticated.
That said, I don’t fault him for taking a stand against what he believes to be ‘out-of-control’ whatever. He does have that right.
Does recognizing his right mean anyone shouldn’t say he’s a lunatic? I don’t think so. He’s entitled to his choice, the rest of us are entitled to expressing an opinion about his decision, especially since this was a public position.
How can Thomas decision be a courageous one if he can’t be criticized for it? What else could have happened to him in North America?
People confuse sometimes the inalienable right/freedom to make their own choices (nobody can stop you) and the equally meaningful right of others to assess your behavior and conclude for themselves whether you’re full of crap or not.
Based on all that, i feel comfortable in expressing an opinion on Thomas’ choice whether positive or negative. Those who support him have the right to do so, same for those who don’t support him.
My only dispute is that I fail to see how people could conclude Tim Thomas is full of crap. He has been consistent in his views throughout his career, although they have come more to the fore in recent years with his increased celebrity.
As Elliote Friedman wrote, would anybody outside the Bruins organization know what his views were had the Bruins not been invited to the White House? It is to their credit that they covered up that scene for so many years.
Inviting athletes to the White House is a feel good photo-op for the incumbent President. He did not draw strong attention to his political views until the moment arose for him to be used in what he perceived as a political manner. If Thomas felt strongly enough about being used for a photo-op by an institution he does not believe in, all the more power to him.
I don’t think he made the right decision and has brought a lot of criticism down on himself because of it. What I find frustrating is that I feel like he is being treated more harshly than some of the other high-profile athletes who have taken similar stands.
I admire a lot of things about Tim Thomas. Our political views could not be more farther apart, but I admire a guy who has followed the long convoluted path that he has had to tread to achieve NHL stardom.
Thomas is one of those guys who was never, ever believed in by any of the teams that he played for. He’s always had to prove himself over and over again, and he’s come out of it at the top of the game. I don’t hesitate for a second to believe that his hyper-individualistic approach to life that grates on his teammates and lends itself to a Libertarian political view is also a big part of what allowed him to become such a dominant hockey player. I hope that his on-ice accomplishments are his lasting legacy, and not this mountain out of a molehill that his political views have become.
Every team in professional sports have oddballs, quirks and iconoclasts. Many of the top stars (Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan being two prime examples) are almost loathed by their teammates even while they earn those teammates championship ring after ring.
Thomas had no problems taking the money for his endorsement of a financial institution that was supported by the very government he criticises. That’s why Thomas is full of crap.
This government is out of control, there is too much regulation and interference in business companies. The government should stay out of the pockets of….. Wait, HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO PAY ME? Oh ok. Forget what I just said. Go get a discover card. Great company. Supported by the Obama administration.
I may not agree with my government, and I am politically against it. But I got no problem taking the money. But I have a HUGE problem paying the tax. Now that’s not fair.
so RDS caught up to Plekanec and interviewed him while he was training.
a few highlites
1) he’s happy the team got tougher to play against, he says this was certainly missing in years past
2) he talked to jagr prior to July 1st and was disappointed he didn’t sign with the habs
just thought I’d pass that on.
some of the stuff we discuss on HIO is actually more accurate then we think.
Also, Plekanec trains with Kaberle.
I hope Plekanec is dictating the pace.
I was hoping Tomas Plekanec would take Tomas Kaberle under his wing this summer, melt that double chin and puffy cheeks off that cherubic face of his.
Good, Plex will get Kabs in shape so MG can turn him into a soild return at the deadline.
Tim Thomas is actually in pretty good company. Like Larry Bird (“the President knows where to find me”) and Michael Jordan (who snubbed the White House visit in 1991 to play golf), Thomas is an elite level player who made headlines with his decision.
I’ll give credit for Thomas for at least making the decision based on politics, unlike the other two legends who just didn’t feel like it.
He’s got a ways to go before he can match James Harrison though! The outspoken Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker is the only athlete to have snubbed two Presidents (Bush and Obama).
Harrison’s reason for just not wanting to go?
“This is how I feel — if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don’t win the Super Bowl. As far as I’m concerned, [Obama] would’ve invited Arizona if they had won.”
Nothing to compare to a certain boxer name Ali
Our 6th annual 2012 HIO Fan Summit is, Oct 27th weekend.
All game tickets are available from me for a very short time period.
ITINERARY & LOCATIONS
We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.
We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.
Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.
After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour.
At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000.
Then our Baton Rouge restaurant pre game dinner. With special guests.
After that we walk across the street to Koivu’s Duck’s and Hab’s game.
After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.
Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.
Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.
See ya there.
Ian Cobb
HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.
For Summit tickets, News, Pictures and comments
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Thanks Ian,
Try to let you know tomorrow.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Glendale voted No so I guess the Coyotes are on melting ice… Hello Quebec City.
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Calling it like it is:
Jack Edwards is a clam.
Tim Thomas is a Nugentian lunatic.
Boston Bruins, gutless diving weasel pukes.
Link?
More likely Bettman dissolves the franchise and nails Paradeau etal for a 200 mill expansion franchise fee.
Compared to a 60 mill transfer fee it makes sense.
Dispersal draft anyone?
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The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:
“Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
“Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
” I have a pet peeve”
wrong!
the ballot was disqualified, so Phoenix is staying in the desert.
yahoo!
The opposition missed the deadline to submit the petition!
Wonder why?
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The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:
“Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
“Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
” I have a pet peeve”
Send them to Seattle.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
For the 2013 winter classic they’re gonna have TWO alumni games between the Leafs and the Red Wings, because both teams have such deep alumni rosters. Seems like a dumb move. Alumni games are fun to watch but two?
Also, the Leafs have a deep alumni roster? uhhh… wat? I’ll grant you they have a long alumni roster, but a deep one?
You’re not that old, are ya Greg?
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Wojtek Wolski signs for only $600K after making $4M last year. I guess the market does not always overpay UFAs. This is a pretty low risk signing for the Caps. He will either play in their top six or be on waivers.
It will be interesting to see if he changes his game after finding out his market value is barely higher than the league minimum.
Floppy is the main reason for the Bruins’ Cup. They will be a little bit worse without him.
This is good news for our Habs. I don’t care about the rest.
They also have zero cap room, so his $5M cap hit is really hurting them as well. If Rask can’t handle the starting job, the B’s could be in for rough season.
They have an option to move it to next year
Not on an over 35 contract they dont
This is not the same as Nabokov due to the over 35 nature
If they ask the league to extend his deal a year, they take the cap hit in both years
Go Habs Go!
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If he’s “retired” for the 1 year does he still go against their cap hit? If he’s just taking the year off and the Broons have his caps hit he’s a jerk regardless of his political beliefs.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
The over 35 contract counts against the cap even if he retires.
Go Habs Go!
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Thanks.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Tim Thomas would boycott his daughter’s wedding if the son-in-law were a Democrat or ethnic.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Must be a pretty slow couple of days when all I see on HIO is:
“TSN 990 to become French radio station”.
Nothing new fellas ??
Just askin’
Ian Cobb says P.K just traded…. I couldnt bear to read more.
I’ll have what Ian is having.
And, …. I’m buying whatever Ian is having for everyone on here.
PK ain’t going anywhere.
News!
PK just traded for Lucic and second round pick. Say it ain’t so!
It ain’t so!
Now that I have your attention, we have over 120 going to this years HIO Summit in Montreal. More payments yet to arrive.
Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
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Ian,
How many tickets do you have left?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Ron
As many as you need, but they will cut us off shortly. Send by Currier if you can. How many do you want? $90 or $110
Gotta check flights before I can commit. When do the festivities begin and end and what hotel would be the best one to stay at where you may have a group rate?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
I will put the itinerary at the top of this page, hotel etc. Ron.
In the case of an NHL strike, which is unlikely now, take flight insurance with your ticket.
Thanks Ian
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Ian, please, let’s be precise. There won’t be an NHL strike this season, the players are ready and willing to play under the current CBA.
There is a great likelihood that the owners will lock out the players though.
Lockout. NHL lockout everybody. Not a strike.
Re: Tim Thomas
Bruins record prior to White House Snub
31-13-2
18-17-2
I had hard time finding exact breakdown of game results, so I don’t swear by the detailed breakdown, but the winning percentage dramatically different.
I really couldn’t care what Tim Thomas did, he currently is employed by Bruins. But to deny that the team played worse after his White House snub is being somewhat nieve.
It doesn’t even matter.
Thomas did this for selfish political reasons, putting himself above the team.
Was it a risk that this could cause a distraction in the locker room? Clearly the answer to that is yes.
Whether it actually became a problem is irrelevant.
Just being willing to put yourself ahead of the team, and taking that risk for selfish reasons is enough to condemn thomas.
Go Habs Go!
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Baseless opinion and conjecture with no or ZERO proof or knowledge of the inner workings of the team’s dressing room or the characters involved.
YEP, IF IT WAS BUSH HE SNUBBED, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED HERO FOR STANDING BY HIS PRINCIPLES….NUFF POLITICS, THIS IS A SPORTS SITE .
Exactly,
His career is OVER.
My cousin lives in Boston and say’s he’s taking the year off but may retire.. Gonna be hard to come back with a year off. But wait didn’t Markov do the same and he was injured?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
But Markov wasn’t 40.
Thomas is 5 or 6 years older.
Go Habs Go!
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Good points, maybe he’s had enough, however if he’s not retired and the Broons are doing bad he may be persuaded to come back.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Instant Karma?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Great the Gooins just up their dirty status by signing Garnet Exelby
They also up their GAA with that move, so I’m OK with it.
Arguing about Tim Thomas???
Well maybe you can all agree on this.
Hey TIM, you are a huge baby disrespecting every single tax paying fan by refusing to meet the chosen leader of your country by your countrymen simply to celebrate your achievement.
You have no respect for your team mates or club by ditching them for your selfish reasons and leaving them on the hook for your cap hit and salary.
And I personally believe you to be a HUGE hypocrite for enjoying (and not wanting to pay taxes) on that huge check written for you by Discover for doing their commercial. Despite the fact that the company is affiliated with both Citigroup which is the 16th largest political campaign contributor in the USA (guess which party they donate mostly to) and HSBC bank that is British owned (hey TIMMY remember the Boston Tea party)… Hey Tim, guess how much criticism Citigroup get for constantly hiring DC lobbyists and former politically affiliated people? Isn’t that a HUGE example of the government getting out of control???
Lastly HEY TIM how are you enjoying that Discover money??? You can thank your old buddy OBAMA form
giving them a 1.2 billion dollar bailout, which they have yet to pay back by the way….. WHERE WERE YOUR POLITICAL PRINCIPLES WHEN YOU AGREED TO TAKE THEIR GOVERNMENT FUNDED MONEY????
I’d love to see Tim Thomas sign with the Leafs and then take on Toronto Mayor Rob Ford. Ford would just sit on him to teach him some respect.
Ford’s a conservative. Thomas would love him.
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“Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone
Hot fun in the Summertime
Not if Ford was on top of him feasting on KFC. Now there’s a picture the Toronto Star would LOVE to have.
Nah! A Canadian conservative = an American liberal.
Same continent, different planet.
Not these conservatives. Harper’s right up there with the Republicans. Prisons…Military spending…cuts and more cuts…and lest we forget, attack ad’s.
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“Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone
Hot fun in the Summertime
The Tea Party added a whole new side to the political spectrum. Much to the detriment of reason and intelligence…
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☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜
Since when did “reason and intelligence” have ANYTHING to do with politics?
@ ZepFan2 – you forgot election fraud and voter purges.
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☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜
Yes as the Democrates say in Chicago Vote early, Vote often.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
@Clay
Yeah, I forgot about robocall. Exactly what Harper and his minions want us to do, forget.
I’ll also add Harper’s advisor Tom Flanagan to the ever growing list.
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“Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone
Hot fun in the Summertime
Also where the dead rise from their graves to vote Democratic or Liberal.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Ford is a reasonable Conservative, Thomas is just a lunatic
Hey Joey.
Explain the following about political contributions for Obama in 2008 and I’ll be nice by not including PACs or SuperPACs
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
UBS AG $532,674
Morgan Stanley $512,232
And yea, the Obama administration gave away a lot of money. Just go Google Solyndra or the first Obama stimulus package
• $3.4 million for a wildlife “eco-passage” in Florida to take animals safely under a busy roadway.
• Nearly $10 million to renovate an abandoned train station that hasn’t been used in 30 years.
Then again, this one might be good.
A North Carolina project spent $294,958 for “reducing menopausal hot flashes through yoga.”
Really, I need to find that Yoga shop for my wife, could help my life alot if it works.
Why would I want to explain about any of that? Am I missing some link with that list of bank contributions, Obama giving away money and Tim Thomas being a hypocritical jackass???
I’m not trying to bring politics into this forum (even though I have nothing against it) I’m simply pointing out Tim Thomas is a clueless idiot for bashing the government and then sponsoring a company that endorsed and benefits from it….
Barack Obama is a corporate welfare conservative, not a liberal. I’m not Joey, but there’s your explaination.
What where the GS, Citi group, USB, & MS contributions to the McCain campaign?
Oh yeah Gump, if it makes you feel any better I also sometimes call Liberals Fiberals and Conservatives Cons. Just me being me. Hola!
So do I!
TSN’s SportCenter just did another 5 minute story on JVR going to the Laffs. I know it has been slow around the League but didn’t that trade happen over a month ago. TSN is so Laff’s centric it is enough to make a person ill…
You just discovered this NOW?? Toronto’s Sports Network.
When Ron Wilson was fired as Laff head coach and replaced by Randy Carlyle,TSN interrupted regularly scheduled programming to introduce the new coach.
When Randy Cunneyworth was introduced as the new head coach of the Habs at a press conference, TSN didn’t see fit to interrupt their coverage of world championship tiddlywinks to broadcast that presser.
edit.
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Calling it like it is:
Jack Edwards is a clam.
Tim Thomas is a Nugentian lunatic.
Boston Bruins, gutless diving weasel pukes.
double edit.
Did you see the 2011 world championship of table hockey on RDS the other night? It had instant replays.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
First person I heard say that, was Larry Walker when he was an Expos.
Baseball players do have a way with words.
I remember Richie Hebner describing the roofless Olympic Stadium as the world’s biggest toilet.
Considering that TSN’s bottom update bar still suggests listening to TSN 990 in Montreal even though they appear to no longer be broadcasting over the internet, makes one realize how important sports outside of the GTA really is to TSN.
I still prefer over Sportsnet, but growing up in Winnipeg, I was always amazed at how TSN truly is the Toronto Sports Network. Unfortunately, that won’t change as they are satisfying the largest market in Canada by doing so. It is what it is, this isn’t to say they couldn’t provide some better well balanced sports reporting, but it is the cheapest and easiest way for them to achieve their bottom dollar.
I saw a tweet on the twitter that internet service had been restored.
Oh okay, only tried this morning, interesting timing on the “glitch”
I heard Boone had something to do with it BUT you know how rumors get started.
I listened to them on the internet at TSN.ca this afternoon and on my iPhone with the TuneIn app… couldn’t get it this morning though.
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Calling it like it is:
Jack Edwards is a clam.
Tim Thomas is a Nugentian lunatic.
Boston Bruins, gutless diving weasel pukes.
engelheather #Habs: Raphael Diaz’s arbitration hearing, should negotiations come to that, is scheduled for July 26.
Canes sign Gragnani, Capitals sign Wolski. I’m almost ready to jump off the MB bandwagon. Wakey wakey! Grouille ton cul, MB!
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Torches and pitchforks! MB didn’t sign a washed up forward and a 25-year-old who has yet to show he has the goods to crack an NHL lineup.
There is something up with Wolski, seems to me he may be another Benny Pouliot. Guy had great raw talent coming into league and has shown some sick skills. But at the same time, from what I have gathered (read online, papers etc…) he has developed a rep. as being a talented player but also a difficult player to manage. He has bounced around the league recently. Not sure he would have been a fit, but don’t disagree that it would have been a very cheap experiment for a talented player.
stick that cold beer bottle on your head while your at it..may help with the swelling…are you still awake…nudge…nudge…stay with us…
apparently Chris Neil signed 3 years with the turds..good they can have the cement head..wonder if anyone else would have actually wanted him..the last time he tested the free market nobody wanted him so back he went to were he came from,,
FFS, playing with my son, I bend down to pick up a toy and, BANG, I take the corner of the three foot high bookshelf in the forehead at full speed. #punchedinthefacebybrocklesnar
The bleeding has stopped now but, if I were still a male model, that’s a stitch.
I’m gonna have a beer now. Don’t let me fall asleep.
2nd rule of fighting, don’t lead with your face
Don’t I remember another incident not too long ago when you walked into a door or something?
Don’t ask, don’t tell
Isn’t that policy no longer applicable?
Still a catchy phrase to put into the space of a deleted mistake.
I hear you, Frank. Trust you are doing well bud.
Wunderbar!
did we win?
Yes buddy, lay back and rest. Your trophy is in the mail.
Edith, call 911! The poor boy is delirious! Someone get the icepack!
Thanks Mom
92 days and missing hockey so much…
If the pre-season starts September 23, there are 74 days to go. But that’s a big if.
Yeah Gumper posting from my BB out in the sticKs,sorry for the delays. My main Gripe with Thomas ,apart from his treatment of Price at the All Star Game was his refusal to be Honoured in the Traditional White House ceremony. It didn’t sit well with some Bruin Fans I know also. I understand that is his right. I just think it is rude and self centered and not consistent with his prior activities.Your right , I find his politics goofy,but so what?I find left wing NDP stuff goofy too. I used the term Teabagger.if that offended you ,sorry. I call the NDP dippers sometimes. Oh and that Dixie Chick stuff,I can’t stand country and western music,but if they turned down an invitation to be honoured by their president,I would call them rude and Dorkettes. Thomas is still a Dork.
You still have not answered any part of the Thomas statement. You hover around the fringe offering opinion yet continually refuse to post his points and properly argue.
Why is that so difficult for you and several others that only attack without a well thought out or intelligent argument?
Okay, I’ll play…
Thomas’ statement is that the “government is out of control” but he doesn’t give any example of how. The White House Chief of Staff would not agree that government is out of control, he’s the one responsible for controlling it. The government is a large, multi-functional organization but it has a structure, a chain of command, decision making authority, audit protocals, policies and checks and balances. With several million people making decisions in a government every day, how many mistakes do we truly hear about, 1 a week? 1 a day? Even if the government makes 100 mistakes a day with 2,840,000 non-military government employees (2010 figures) making one decision a day that is an error rate of 0.0035%. That’s not out of control to me.
By the way, that 2010 employment number is 35,000 fewer US federal employees than in 1980. So the US government has not grown in physical number in 30 years so that is not out of control.
Is the US government out of control in relation to the federal deficit? This is where most people would claim government out-of-control. The US government has been at a similar level of deficit four times in its history, the War of 1812, the Civil War, World War 1 and World War 2. Did the government collapse after any of those periods of high deficit? No. As well, every year the Congressional Budgetary Office (which is non-partisan) does economic projections of government spending. A review of 40 years of those projections by two university professors showed the short term projections (one year) were consistently accurate. So the US government knows on a year-to-year basis what its finances, revenues, debts and deficits are? Is it “out-of-control” to make a conscious decision to place other priorities (like an ongoing war or health care) higher than debt or deficit reduction? No. Is it prudent? Probably not but it is not out-of-control.
But the US government credit rating dropped last year, that has to mean the government is out-of-control, right? Standard and Poor dropped the US government rating from AAA to AA+. S&P has 12 ratings from AAA to D. AA+ is the second highest of 12. Does the second highest of 12 rankings sound like out-of-control to you? If it does, what the heck do you think is the state of those countries rated a D is?
Finally, is Tim Thomas “the lone wise man crying in the wilderness” that all others are trying to ignore because of their own self-interest? That is possible. Does Tim Thomas have academic learning that qualifies him to render prudent decision making on political affairs. Thomas’ degree is in English and his interest is in history. So he is clearly well-read, intelligent enough to get a degree and therefore able to study other disciplines like politics. Does Tim Thomas have a history of thoughtful, prudent, wise action or opinion? Tim Thomas thought it a reasonable decision to celebrate American history by putting crossed Confederate flags on one of his helmet designs. The US Confederacy was started to preserve legalized slavery. The practice of displaying a flag generally means you support the prinicpality or organization the flag represents. You would think a prudent, well-educated man would know those two things.
So does Tim Thoma have a right to free speech? Yes. Does he have a right to choice who he associates with? Yes. Has he shown a history of prudent past action or qualification to render his opinion so government valid enough that he could publicly embarass that government? I think not.
Thanks Jim, great post, I learned a lot.
Well done Jim. Very insightful and well articulated.
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☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜
Commandant, good analysis of the situation in NHL free agency right now, I agree with pretty much everything you posted.
In general, I think we should just cross Shane Doan off our list right now. His first choice is to be in Phoenix, the only reason he’ll leave is if he thinks the Coyotes would move and he’s afraid he’ll end up in Québec, so Montréal can’t be a preferred destination at all. It would be nice to see him play for the Canucks though.
Alex Semin has all these warts on him, in that he’s a skilled player who can pot goals but resents being cross-checked in the face by Chris Neal and Jordin Tootoo while he’s doing it. For this he’s branded gutless and a coward, not a ‘money’ player. The NHL has gotten out of control in how players like Mr. Semin, who are the ones that we pay money to see and actually entertain us, are devalued by the ‘style’ of play that is being fostered by the Colin Campbell and Don Cherry lunatic fringe.
As far as the many free agents still available, I do think teams got the inside scoop from Gary Bettman that the League would dramatically lower the salary floor and probably freeze the ceiling for a few years, so they know they don’t need to overpay on hunches just to get up to a bar that will be lowered.
You lost me at “Mr.”
If this was a pay-per-click scheme, with your principled avoidance of my posts, this would be starting to cost me some real money.
I still read all your posts though, you’re a pretty funny guy, with insights to boot.
Thomas actions were selfish in a team based sport.
He put himself and his political views and elevated them above the team, causing his teammates a distraction, and forcing them to answer questions about the one player who wasn’t there.
The one thing you never do in a team sport is be selfish. And in refusing to participate in an event that was meant to honour the entire team at the white house, Tim Thomas did that.
Regardless of his political beliefs, there were better ways and other times to make a statement other than to be the only American on the team, and to not show up at the White House while making political statements about the white house.
Thomas continues to be selfish this season, taking a year off and being a cap albatross on the Bruins due to the 35+ rule, while not playing and not honouring his contract for political reasons.
I agree with Frontenac on this.
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I have an abandonned missile silo in Colorado Timmy T might like.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
And you have proof that affected the Bruins last year?
Please provide that proof and NOT media spin.
Or could it have been a Cup hangover where a long post season and almost no recovery time was the problem?
Why do I need proof it actually affected them?
The very fact that Thomas was willing to take the risk it might shows his selfishness.
The very fact that Thomas overshadowed a special day for his teammates by making a political protest is selfish.
Being willing to put himself above others in a team sport is enough to call him selfish and condemn him for it. The end result is irrelevant. The reckless action for personal gain is more than enough
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I know you are rarely challenged on these fora, yet you provide zero or no proof of the effect-just opinion and conjecture.
Clearly the point went over your head…. putting team success at risk for selfish reasons is enough… I don’t have to prove the results actually occured. That there was a risk this was a distraction to the team (a risk which i believe any sane person can see, so maybe not you) is enough.
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commandant or whatever
A very weak reply that once again, completely avoids the issue using unfounded opinion and baseless conjecture
And just to add irony to my defend Thomas posts, I don’t like Tim Thomas and would not want him on my team. For us Habs fans, why didn’t Carey Price do him in when he has a chance during the brawl of 2/9/11? Carey should have put him to sleep.
If you want to relive the glory, you can see it here, and anyone that says Price is not worth $6 million, just shutting up the homer Bruins announcers and decking Thomas was Price-less.
Carey at his best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJx3TCUEcOA
Tim dove too fast for Carey to do any damage.
Good one
Tim did his version of the Fosbury Flop.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CA8IDHSpnA
Just let the music play in the background while you read through all the post. It really suits HIO lately
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lol, this one is my personal favourite.
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Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. — Augustine of Hippo
I prefer something a little smoother.
LOL, your right that was better. All the ridiculous post seem more funny than annoying when you stroll through with Benny Hill playing in the background. Anyone else out there, if you find HIO a little too aggravating lately try surfing your favourite Habs site with some Benny Hill, it actually does help!
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Sorry to burst your bubble Walt.
This one is better
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You’ll get no argument out me about Leppelin!
Wish they could teach Jesse a thing or two about rock bands, unlike that garbage ‘TwaughtHammer’ he wastes his time with.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKNodRa71Cg
See, garbage!
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Really? I thought you were more an America fan. Horse with no name and all.
I’m only hitting season 3. So far Jesse is a total f-up. Answer me this, why is Skylar such a bitch?
Blue sky all the way!!
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I did grow up in the 70′s after all. On Skylar, no comment. (you never know who’s watching)
__________________________________________________________________ “Never give up control. Live life on your own terms. Every life comes with a death sentence.”
I hear ya’. Silence is golden.
Edit: just saw the video you posted. Badger the bass player.
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Breaking news;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdTpU5WZHHM&feature=related
HEY!
Leave Frontenac1 alone!, he is one of the most respected posters here, and is free to express his opinion.
I do not agree with his opinion, and this is a Hockey site, not a political one, but being a Montreal based site politics sometimes comes up, and ganging up on him is absaloutly vile.
Why don’t we agree to disagree? I know for a fact that my opinions would not mesh with some here, yet I do not attack them based on it.
It’s time like these that separate the men from the boys.
Also the men from the noise.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Some Habs news, most interesting is the final one;
http://www.allhabs.net/all-habs-news/headlines-gauthier-radio-doan-nash-rating-free-agency/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I notice poster frontenac1 continues on, yet does not have or possess the courage or intelligence to either refute my post or argue it with an adult mindset.
You pre-empted his replies with your “And please don’t attack me because that is just juvenile. Just state facts of his quote because if you attack, you already lost.”
He doesn’t have any facts. Just angry irrational left-wing self-righteousness.
Just like you lost when you brought up “liberal media”.
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LOL, I think that’s called angry irrational right-wing self-righteousness.
Poor Zep fan
Nowhere do I state liberal media. Then again, an attack first, then lies is the usual MO. Why are you people all the same?
Poor Gumper, I wasn’t replying to you. I was replying to jimvinny
Edit: The Gumper was from the Point as I am. You don’t deserve to carry his jock strap let alone use his name.
Now you can complain about insults.
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Gump, now you’re generalizing!
Sounds like a typical HIO poster!
@Gumper.
I believe that frontenac is posting from a cell phone, and the app is pretty lousy.
You can’t really decipher who is answering you, unless your name is included in the rebuttal.
Yeah, posting from a smart phone is tough if booze is involved. Tried it and failed numerous times. Spelling even worse than with a keyboard.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Wolski just signed with Washington for 1 year for $600K?
Wasn’t he on a lot of people’s saviour list?
wow, cheap. I mean if colby armstrong is worth taking a cheap 1 year risk on, isn’t this guy?
“Et le but!”
We have enough bottom 6 forwards or would you want him on the 2nd line? I wouldn´t.
Low cost low risk good deal for the Caps.
I was disappointed too.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Oh for Gods sake Thomas can say and believe whatever he wants ,but to refuse to be Honoured with your Team by your President and Commander in Chief is juvenile and BS given his prior support for his government in the Olympics. Can’t have it both ways. He’s a Dork!
Yeah, that makes sense. So because he played for his country, he has to respect the current gov’t? What kind of logic is that?
The Dixie chicks said they were ashamed of Bush, and were applauded by left wingers everywhere. So why is Thomas being persecuted?
Yes, because it’s a team sport and that’s the President that was elected by the people.
As for the Dixie chicks, they weren’t invited to the White house when they said what they said. They were pissed that Bush started a war over nothing. Like many Americans were.
Obama actually had to clean up after Bush and had to do what Bush wouldn’t do, find and kill bin laden
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That concept still flies in the face of rational thought. Why, just because he plays for a team, should he have to falsely show respect to someone for whom he holds none?
Regardless of the circumstances, the analogy is the same. In fact, Thomas was far more civil in his words than were the Dixie Chicks.
In western civilization, an individual has the right, if not the responsibility, to speak up when they aren’t happy with how things are. Being part of a championship team does not remove that right, nor absolve one of that responsibility.
Fact is, Thomas insulted the liberal media’s darling Obama, and they crucified him for it.
“liberal media’s”
And there it is.
You’re right. Bush was God.
Meh, F-politics and those that are part of it!
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What Liberal media, the NY Times? LA Times? Washington Post?
They’re not Liberal, they’re an integral part of the establishment.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
So every Canadian going to the Olympics in a Canada uniform just loves Stephen Harper and his government… glad to hear it.
Yeah,Carey Price has class.That’s why he didn’t pop him a good one when he had Timmy down on the ice in that scrap.
frontenac1 says:
July 11, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Hey Tim Thomas absolutely has the right to; Believe in what he wants,disrespect his Team,disrespect his President, wear whatever goofy crest on his mask,and clam up asked about. It is his right. I still think he’s a Dork!
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I’m not saying I agree or disagree with what Thomas did because it really is none of my business, but do you actually know what Tim Thomas said?
Several athletes over the years have used the sports arena and stage, to rightly or wrongly express their political displeasure or backing of a political actor.
During the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City, US sprinters John Carlos and Tommie Smith make their Black Power salute on the podium, or some refer to it now as a Human Rights salute.
Did you have the same disdain of Detroit Pistons guard Chauncey Billups when he introduced Obama at a rally in the summer of 2008? Or the public backing by LeBron James and the great Muhammad Ali?
Here is exactly what Tim Thomas said. Read it nice and slow.
“I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People,” Thomas said on Facebook. “This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.”
Do you know the Legislative level, that being the House of Representatives of Congress was in majority by those oh so evil right winger Republicans when Thomas refused the invite?
That the US Supreme Court Chief Justice was a Bush Republican nominee by the name of John Roberts?
Now I ask you, because you made the post;
1) What did Thomas say that was wrong or incorrect? And please don’t attack me because that is just juvenile. Just state facts of his quote because if you attack, you already lost.
2) Please provide quotes from his team mates, not the media, about how he disrespected his team.
3) Respect is earned and not a right, be that a President of the USA or any other individual.
4) The right to free speech and protest is supposedly guarded and guaranteed by the US Constitution.
Thomas’ comments are essentially the party line for the Tea Party, an even more right-wing fanatical group than the Republicans.
The tea party is a communist front group. Everyone knows that, and now you do, too.
Whatever your smoking send me some. Thats gotta be potent stuff.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
A stupid comment devoid of fact or well thought out argument.
I think LA Loyalist is pulling your leg.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
“The right to free speech and protest is supposedly guarded and guaranteed by the US Constitution.’
I guess that means Frontenac is “free” to call Thomas a tea bagger?!
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Well sure but I suppose you guys are so politically correct, you would be upset if someone called an actual “teabagger”, a faggot. Right?
You do realise I’m talking about the Tea party and not about “faggots”, right? What should I call a person that has the same beliefs as the tea party does, besides “loon”?
This isn’t the urban dictionary version.
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An Alaskan who can see for miles, and miles, and miles?
So Zep you then endores the “Occupy Wall Street ” movement as they are the anti Tea Party.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
The Occupy movement was the general public. The tea party consists of whack jobs like Palin and Bachman.
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Go trash buildings, leave your homeless camps and public parks and buildoings in shambles, attemped rapes, thefts etc. Yeah real normal people. Don’t most posters go out and do this on a daily basis?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
The Who.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Asking the majority here that question is like asking for logic from a pet rock. Thomas did what he had the right to do and I respect him for that. I hate him for beating us in game seven two years ago. Whatever. Why should a president (any president) be allowed to use athletes and celebrities for self promotion without facing any criticism? Why should an athlete or celebrity be expected to play along merely because he plays a team sport? The cheap shots around here at anything conservative, often by one of the hosts, are legend. They are spoken as if EVERYONE who is remotely intelligent thinks this way. I’ve long asked people to refrain from them but have given up and have decided to return fire. Sarah Palin is a genius compared to Barry Obama. He thinks they speak Austrian in Austria. He thinks there are 57 states. He figures the private sector is doing well. What a maroon, eh? See how it’s done?
I was about to respond to the substance of your points, then got to the part where you state that Sarah Palin is a genius compared to “Barry” Obama, and realized you are just as uninterested in serious discussion or logic than those you decry.
Sarah Palin is not a genius compared to a pet rock.
Iguana, maybe?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
And as expected, the first 3 posters offer nothing to refute the post.
Disagreement and logic argued based conclusions are healthy and welcome and are actually invigorating, yet uneducated blurts based on Madison Avenue sound bites leave much to be desired and also point to a dumbed down population.
So again I ask, argue and refute the points presented once you have an actual grasp of exactly what was presented. Somehow, I expect little or nothing.
When I first heard of Tim Thomas purposely not attending the White House due to political beliefs, I thought it was indefensible, as I thought he was doing so because President Obama is a Democrat. Mr. Thomas is a vocal conservative, and I thought it was misplaced for him to shun the traditional White House visit for party affiliation reasons. It is important to remember that the White House is ‘the people’s house’, regardless of the identity of the incumbent President, and I thought he had lost sight of that. I now know that Mr. Thomas’ reasons are broader and more complex than this, so I am more lenient in my condemnation of his gesture, but I still condemn it.
Tim Thomas’ statement explained his refusal to join his teammates due to a belief that the government of the United States is infringing the liberties guaranteed the American people by their Constitution. I find it hard to castigate someone who has deeply held political beliefs and acting on them in a consistent manner. I would be more confident if Mr. Thomas had abstained from visiting the White House if a Republican had been the sitting President. Also, I would feel better about this if Mr. Thomas wasn’t a shill for credit card companies and Dunkin’ Donuts, among others. How the corporate world, with its monopolistic practices, cavalier disregard for its employees’ welfare and the communities they pillage, and the rapacious greed of its executive class, isn’t more of a threat to the liberty and well-being of the American people is a difficult position to adopt.
When athletes such as Steve Nash and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf were vocal and acted upon their political beliefs I was supportive of their right to do so, probably because theirs more closely followed mine. So I’m trying to be even-handed when evaluating Mr. Thomas’ actions. It’s also hard for me to be objective about him since he is a Bruin, and because of his smug countenance when he’s in net. He just rubs me the wrong way.
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http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/01/conscientious-objector-tim-thomas.html
Your points are well taken and you show a smidgen of objectivity from your easily perceived beliefs.
Once again I ask, what did Thomas do wrong and please prove his beliefs are wrong. He snubbed a Democratic President, yet he also was outspoken about a right wing Republican House of Representatives and Supreme Court.
While I respect what you say, you also avoid those facts and offer little to refute his statement.
Take his statement, and argue that. Argue the exact points one by one. Can you do that?
I’m not looking to get too far in this debate, I just re-posted what I originally did at the time to hopefully assuage your fears that all opposition to Mr. Thomas’ refusal to attend the White House was irrational and hateful.
I’ll quote Bill Maher, and further dig my own grave in your esteem, but none of these libertarians and Tea Party radicals lifted a finger when President Bush infringed on their liberties with the Homeland Security provisions and raised the deficit and debt by going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. When a black Democratic President took office, they came out of the woodwork and acted like it was the end of the world. With a lot of funding for their activities coming from shadowy PAC’s and the Koch brothers.
I’ve stated in my original post two caveats which would make me feel better about Mr. Thomas’ convictions, but as things stand I have my doubts about his motivations.
Consider the fact that the occasion was purely festive (invitation to the White House), and not a cynical act of opportunistic PR by the sitting president. If Thomas had issues with the mayor of Boston, would he have been “right” to skip the civic ceremonies celebrating the Stanley Cup championship? Rabid Canadian hockey fans wish for a higher profile of our beloved sport and the highly-paid Thomas did less than nothing to help promote the sport and the league that gave him fame and fortune that he would otherwise not possess. No one, or least no one who uses reason over passion is naive enough to believe everyone from ownership to management to the players are uniformly Democrat or Republican. Debating Thomas’ single act is moot because what he did was at the very least, disrespectful, and in many people’s opinion, selfish.
“May you live in interesting times.”
What did Timmy say when the Supreme Court overruled the vote count in Florida and gave the Presidency to Dubya? Probably nothing.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Timmy should lend insight as to why many Bruins fans called for the lynching of Joel Ward.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Why are there so many internet goofs here?
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Calling it like it is:
Jack Edwards is a clam.
Tim Thomas is a Nugentian lunatic.
Boston Bruins, gutless diving weasel pukes.
And you are…..?
Example #1, thanks.
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Calling it like it is:
Jack Edwards is a clam.
Tim Thomas is a Nugentian lunatic.
Boston Bruins, gutless diving weasel pukes.
Thanks for saying that une canadien errant re/Thomas. I called him a Dork,but you’re right he is a Douche as well. I have no problem with guys that have strong held beliefs,but I have no respect for guys that put themselves above their team.Lack of Respect.And when the shit hit the fan,he disappeared and put out a canned statement from the Tea Party on his facebook? Douche.
Although you’d pee your pants before you’d call him that to his face, braveheart.
I would calmly discuss with Mr. Thomas how abhorrent he is to me, and my pants would remain dry. Milan Lucic or Zdeno Chara, on the other hand….
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June 23:
Stefan Matteau, Mike Matheson, Martin Frk, Brandon WhitneyJune
2429: Travis Moen [x]June
2627:Mathieu DarcheJune 26: Ryan White
June 30: Alexei Emelin
July 1:
P.A. Parenteau, Taylor PyattJuly 3:
Shane O’BrienJuly
52: Carey Price [x]July 6: Lars Eller
July 9: P.K. Subban
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NHL Off-Season Musings…. whats the hold up on the big trades and free agents remaining?
http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/11/nhl-offseason-musings-player-movement-grinding-to-a-halt/
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Doan gave the Yotes untill the 16th, we’ll see if he holds to that date.
Semin on a one year deal for 5 millions would be great for the Habs.
Nash is not worth the ransom being asked by his team.
Bobby Lou staying in Vancouver with all that’s been said on his part would be interesting to say the least.
Semin will make about $10mil taxfree in the KHL. Guess where he is going?
thanks for posting. Interesting take on Semin and Doan. I don’t see Doan who has land in Arizona wanting to Move to a city in Canada other than maybe Vancouver where the winters are not as harsh. He has grown used to a nice little under the radar market where he gets big money and isn’t a huge celebrity. Can live a normal life.
Semin on the other hand I could see going to the KHL for Money and term. I don’t see him wanting to sacrifice one year having to prove himself. He strikes me as a selfish type athlete that wants cash and contract even though he really struggles when it counts.
It will be an interesting off season
Normally by now, most of the big offseason stuff (except for RFAs) is done. This year, not so much.
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kind of log jams. Suter and Zach started it and there are other odd factors this year.
oh well, it keeps it interesting
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Kooch, I’m not so certain regarding Doan.
Only because every player in the NHL wants to win the cup at one point or another.
He obviously has better options (Rangers, Flyers, Canucks, Kings) but it would be nice to draw him in, with the prospect of the Habs being a top team within a few years, once the young ones make their way up here.
‘Doan … has grown used to a nice little under the radar market where he gets big money and isn’t a huge celebrity’.
True, but he’ll never win a Stanley Cup there either. Just like Larry Walker moving to the Colorado Rockies.
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
commie, it seems to me that negotiations were slow last summer as well.