The NHL’s collective bargaining agreement is about to expire, and Pat Hickey wonders if there will be a management-labour showdown after the 2011-’12 season.
After six seasons of growth and labour peace, the current collective bargaining agreement expires next month. While the expiration is unlikely to have an effect on the 2011-12 season, it’s not too early to start worrying about another work stoppage.
• Fantasy focus on the Captain
• For stats geeks, Habs scoring chance breakdown
• TSN’s Franchise Faceoff finalists: Stamkos and Toews
• Chris Nilan featured in The Last Gladiators
• Another season preview from Yvon Pedneault
• Rick Vaive says six beers didn’t impair his driving
And for your viewing pleasure, a Jarred Tinordi video:
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Holy Crap!!
No Leaf had ever scored 50 goals in a season before Vaive in 81-82??!
That’s effed.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Thank gosh Hackel has an up-to-date on what the Hawks have been up to because I soooo wanted to know. And I knew that this was the best place to get that info.
In fact, I get all my Hab stories on the Hawk website. They’re so much more informed than our guys are.
All it needs now is for John Lu to edit it and I’ll be over the moo… (mmmph, haaaaw!)
Aw, hell, I couldn’t keep it together.
Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.
Im actually glad to see on our site information that relates to other aspects of hockey than only Habs related subjects. I am not sure why so many are on Hackel about this, when there are about 20 posts a day with a link to a non Habs related story.
Im glad to be part of a fan base that knows about hockey and not only their team. Here in DC they are mostly pretty clueless about the rest of the league.
But man, I am a bit surprised they are still posting his articles, cause they get VERY little comments… Just like us posting on here about it, instead on his thread….
Now if John Lu is involved with anything on here, I say we protest.
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
We’re on Hackel because his very first post was on the leafs. Not “one of the first”, not “the second”, no, the VERY first. How great the leafs could be if this that and so’n'so came to fruition. Such a great, great team the leafs could be, eh Hab fans?
Really hit it off with us you could say.
Sooooo, no mystery there.
Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.
Steve Hindle on Cammalleri’s Production this upcoming season.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/Predicting-Production-Cammalleris-Capabilities/139/37456
You know, I liked Vaive back when I was a Leaf fan. After reading that story I can only assume he is an idiot.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
His defense did sound a little lame, didn’t it?
“0.08% doesn’t apply to me, Your Honor…”
(Edit) Also liked Vaive. Quick acquisition in first O-Pee-Chee sticker-book. Marked my memory-banks early.
Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.
Good scorer, good set up man and tough as nails. I think the term is “grit”, though NAG would also apply. Rick, you screwed up. Admit it, take your medicine and don’t do it again. That’s the kind of example I would expect from Rick Vaive. Not this weasel route.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
How about, “I pissed myself laughing”, as a defense?
Sounds more like the evidence against him.
Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.
Not sure if he is an idiot or not but he should definitely be wearing diapers.
Owen Nolan signed a tryout contract with the Nucks. Is this a Claude Lemieux comeback part 2? Seems like that guy was in the league for an eternity.
Tinordi is going to be a beast as long as we take the time to bring him up the same way we did with Subban. I’ll see him in our plans in about 3 years time. A year or so before Beaulieu will crack the league. We’ll probably see how they’ll play together in Hamilton in a few year’s time.
I’m calling Beaulieu cracking the NHL earlier than Tinordi.
Late 2012-2013 for Beaulieu.
Start of 2013-2014 for Tinordi.
Agreed. I think that’s the reason that Gorges got 1 year, they know they’ve got a couple of horses in the stables coming up. It’ll be a strong young D core.
Dan Wills predictions for this season.
http://yourcanadiens.blogspot.com/2011/08/10-hab-predictions-for-2011-12.html?utm_source=BP_recent
Nice to read a postive post/blog about The Habs for a change even if some of the points listed do not turn out the way the author wrote…….
Just watched a YouTube video on Yemelin, while he was moving all over the ice, making nice passes and point shots, aside from 2 hits he doesn’t appear to have this mean streak everyone is talking about…
Molson Ex mon ami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Sjw1RnXyA
From the WC this season
http://yourcanadiens.blogspot.com/2011/06/player-spotlight-alexei-yemelin.html
Nice write up.
Gotta love the ‘watch two minutes of YouTube videos’ approach in determining a players skill set. I think thats how the scouts do it.
Generally, normal physical play will not make a highlight reel. If you watch a Hal Gill highlight video, you will never see his shot blocking ability or his blocking of passing lanes, but those are the things he does best.
Given that three-toed sloths can turnstile Hal Gill or the fact that he doesn’t hit or score or pass particularly well, what exactly WOULD said highlight reel show if it weren’t his shot-blocking?
His blazingly quick wit.
This one…over and over and over again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatTwf1mp2Y
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Not impressed by some of Tinordi’s you tube fights, it appears that he can’t handle large players! Am I missing something with this guy?
An in-experienced fighter who will get better…..
Chara didn’t come into his own until 23 / 24 and only recently he has a reputation of having a mean streak and he is 33.
Tinordi is a solid 3 yrs away
Molson Ex mon ami
First you cry about players like cammy and gio being to small,now you cry about a 6’7″ prospect? Are you constantly on the rags or something?
I think he wants a couple of athletes that can hold back teams like Boston thus giving our Hab mini’s protection and room too score as well as keeping them away from the knee – neck surgery and brain trauma.And so do I!
And if you don’t think Tinordi is capable of filling that role (eventually) you’re blind in both eyes.
If only Marc Savard had someone like Chara on his team, he would have been protected from Brain Trauma…
Good point! Maybe he will get lucky and get traded to the Bruins. The biggest, meanest, toughest SOB’s who play hockey!
Good point Rugger, don’t forget Eric Lindros had no protection either, as I recall that Flyer lineup only had Craig Berube, Rick Tocchet, Luke Richardson and other smurfs to protect him. In fact that same team didn’t protect Keith Primeau from concussions either.
So…are you saying small elite players don’t need protection or are you saying CHARA SUCKS!
What I am saying is there is no such thing as protection, only retribution. If retribution will help the Habs win games, great bring in the guys you want, but I do not think there is anyone in the world that could have protected Max from the play that Chara made on him.
1st year in OHL, give the guy a chance to fill in.
Sometimes this board reeks of Brochu-era Expos-itis…
Some fans don’t want the players to make a decent salary and would be happy with the Travis Moens of the world working hard and suc king on the ice at a low price tag. I guess that’s what 20 some years of futility combined with cheap owners does to the fan base.
So I just took a look at my Brian Burke Blockbuster Trade Crystal Ball. I have this weird feeling that BB is going to try and do his yearly monster trade. My fear is he may be able to take advantage of a weak Predator GM and try the following: Luke Schenn, James Reimer, Nazim Khadri, 1st rnd pick and other stuff for Weber and Rinne.
Reimer, and Khadri are only of value to Leaf fans. That 1st rounder is gold though.
“Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
- Sean Bonjovi
I agree but who thought Bret lebda was worth Cody Franson.
For Subban and Price money’s will be a big reason for resigning with the Habs, but just as important will be how the Habs fare this year.These are young pro hockey players whom have dreamed of holding a Stanley Cup and if things don’t go well ,it will play a big deciding factor.To play on the “mother of all teams ” is one thing but to have a chance of going somewhere for more money and a better chance of winning the Cup is everything for most.
We’ll have to see if there’s a new CBA and what that brings. The playing field has been levelled to a certain degree at any rate up to now.
One thing I don’t like about the RFA arbitration process is that after the arbiter makes his decision if the team doesn’t match it the player is lost to free agency.
There has to be some compensation for the team. I would imagine if the team does meet the arbitration’s decision the team should have the right to force the removal of any NTC so they can at least trade the asset once signed. What if after hitting the UFA market that player signs somewhere else for way less proving the arbitration decision erroneous or at the very least inflated?
Weber getting 7.5M from his arbitration hearing IMHHO is ludicrous.
Unfortunately that is the going rate on one of the best defensement in the NHL. Would he take 6.5m to sign with a more competitive team? Probably, but he MAKES Nashville competitive. (With Rinne)
Kadri is useless.
Molson Ex mon ami
Subban will no doubt be signing with us and he deserves more than 3.8, the longer he plays the more he will prove his worth. And I think the whole “Price hasn’t taken us past the second round thing” is ridiculous. Price wasn’t the same goalie at the start of his career, it took him awhile to get used all the pressure and show who he really is. In my mind he’s played one playoff year and he was spectacular. This is how we run guys out of town. He is a premier goalie worth 6 mil.
I think you could look at Price’s trajectory as follows:
Melanson down
Groulx up
the nhl is still a very physical league where intimidation is still used…many teams have huge imposing forwards whose job is to beat up the opposition d and cause havoc in front of the net…my concerns is do we have the d that can stand up to these tactics in the regular season and in the playoffs where it gets much worse…we are told emelin is a tough physical d but as a first year player he will be challenged a lot and the chances are his fighting skills on the ice are very limited vs the players who will challenging him…if he does not fight we all know he will be the subject of cheap shots and scrums all year round…next we have pk who can take care of himself but beyond a couple of fights in the season there is no way that we want have to be the involed in this regularly…after pk we have gorges…there is no doubt that a lot of teams will be using the physical tactic vs the habs d and i am not sure who on our d can step up to neutralize this ….
If you think Yemelin is afraid of fighting or cheap shots, you don’t know much about him. More likely he’ll be suspended for hitting a guy from behind and cracking his head open than he receives a cheap shot. It won’t take long for players to be afraid of him.
Yes!
Molson Ex mon ami
+1
Truth is no one knows how Yemelin will stand up in N.H.L. play …or how he’ll handle the relentless pounding by Boston in his rookie year.I say Martin dog houses him for retaliatory penalties and then destroys his MoJo.
You do realize JM works for PG correct? Yes Yemelin may piss off JM, but he can’t just throw in the towel on this guy right off the bat. Yemelin represents a style of defender Montreal needs, as a result there will be pressure on JM to have some patience with him.
In Every N.H.L. destination Martin has coached “Sens ,Florida and Habs” Martin has left a trail of deflated and de-balled hockey players .Some have made comebacks but most cast of to the KHL or some beer league running a Zamboni.
Hate typing on iPod… Can’t edit for some reason… Meant to type “last 5 years”
I believe the “edit” button utilizes Adobe Flash. “Us” Android users have no problems. :smirk:
Edit: crosseyed_mofo is the tech expert here. He might know for sure
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I sense I know what pot is being stirred here Chris hehe
no tech expert, have nerdy traits i do is all
without starting a flame war, ios is limited for the most part to saffari
yes not having flash sucks, but the web is already moving towards html 5 (apple taking the brunt of credit for this trend)
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what was the question again?
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I don’t get why everyone thinks Pk will get lots of money next year. He will be a Rfa without arbitration rights. He will be treated just like every other Habs player in that situation. Look at what our management has done the lay 5 yes with those type of player. AK was the only time such player got a 3 yr deal for over $3M a yr. You will never see this again. Look at all the 1 yr deals such players get. Or the 2 yr deals of MaxPac. PK will get similar to MaxPac. He will get a 2 yr deal for under $2M a yr. Look at Habs pattern. They will not break the bank on him this contract. They have zero reason to. Sure at the end it will cost them more, but for next 2-3 years they have no reason to show him the money.
Claude Giroux got 3.7M while Jack Johnson received 4.3M.
Johnson might be a better comparison for PK rather than some of the elite guys like Doughty.
Not to mention inflation. I’m guessing PK gets 4-4.5, and I’m fine with that. Spacek will be off the books.
The question is how many years.
My gypsy prediction would be in the 5 year range.
It seems that’s a number the Canadiens organization likes.
Besides, it’s my lucky number.
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Rumour has it the officer informed Sean Avery that he dated Elisha Cuthbert before Sean had, meaning Sean received sloppy seconds and Dion sloppy thirds.
When will Rick Vaive learn as it was his drinking habits that got him traded out of Vancouver years ago…..
I can’t say I have a lot of sympathy for this man. I know some people that were playing in the OHA Sr. league when Vaive made a brief comeback in 02. He came across as a very pompous person at the least.
None of us are perfect, but much is found out about us in how we deal with difficult times. Will be interestin to see how the courts end up dealing with this case when it is completed.
The next court date for this case is in February which speaks volumes about our justice system.
Just like The Rob Ramage/Keith Manguesson (sp) case as it seemed to go on forever…….
Mr. Vaive is a ridiculous drunk who is trying to cover his behind with a litany of nonsense. Google the Toronto Sun’s coverage of this trial, they’re doing a great job of punching holes in his story.
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Molson Ex mon ami
Because it is not English or French?
Ask a non-native English speaker how strange OUR language is!
Where is the “r” in colonel or the “f” in lieutenant (if you are using proper British English)?
What happened to the “p” in pneumonia?
Why do cord and chord sound the same, but not chair and care?
My father was fluent in 6 or 7 languages when he came to Canada. And he always said the most difficult one to learn the rules for was English, for the simple reason that there was no consistency in the language.
My father had the same experience, he had little education but was able to speak 4 languages from Europe and constantly could not make sense out of our English here.
The English language is the “Borg”!
There never was a pure English tongue, it was an evolution of several languages into one and has never ceased to “assimilate” from other languages.
English is good at evolving and has no hang ups about assimilating words from other languages. It is why it is the top dog in the language world. It is predatorial.
Take for example another language (I’ll let you guess) which is constantly griping about English. It does it’s best to eradicate intrusions into it’s fold, like a weak patient taking anti-bodies all the time, and does it’s best to maintain rigid rules of the past. It also needs to be protected, like an endangered species.
In the future we’ll all be Chinese and we’ll all be speaking Engrish.
The best thing about English though, is no matter how poorly someone speaks it, you can usually still understand. Not so in most other languages.
Reading this 3 hours later but great rebuttle!
“Why do cord and chord sound the same, but not chair and care?”
- Absolutely no idea but a great laugh none the less
Molson Ex mon ami
Here is a link to an article about the various training Drills players are going through at Cdn Jr Dev. Camp.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Players+plunge+into+army+training/5216115/story.html
And according to this link Kovy and Zherdev turned down NHL contract offers to return to Russia and KHL. Okay so which NHL team would have given Kovy an offer?
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2011-08-05/alex-kovalev-nikolay-zherdev-turned-down-nhl-khl-flyers-atlant
Has JP Dumont really lost all the skills he once had? I don’t really want PG to sign him just because he is french and available, but do you wonder if he can get back that decent touch he once had if he was in Montreal? Really what we need is a 4th line grinder/center (if Enqvist isn’t ready) so JP doesn’t fit that role, but I am intrigued by this guy. Amazing it seems already his career is near over.
Injuries and playing in Nashville’s defensive system have bogged him down.
I think teams will be waiting until training camp to start cutting guys and judging their young talent before any moves are made.
+ with the CBA we’re seeing shorter term contracts.
I like how Montreal’s core is similar in term and salary. (aside
from Gomez)
This is probably Moen’s last yr with MTL but it will be good to see him actually playing in a 3rd or 4th line checking role.
Molson Ex mon ami
Gerald – The Habs have lots of “one time only” cap space left for this year. Right now, they have one spot to fill on the roster. Weber should play defense, not forward, so that means the last guy should be a natural forward. Engqvist and Palushaj are possibilities but they also can clear waivers. I’d send them back to Hamilton with the notion that they may be call-ups later in the season. That means we can go out and sign an experienced, character player before camp starts instead of wasting a 2nd round pick in February.
Dumont has great hands but really can’t do much else. Besides, we already ahave AK, MP & DD slated for the 3rd line. I’d rather take a gamble on players such as Stillman, Hunter or Drury/Madden who all bring a ton of experience and character. Not to mention that they are desperate to stay one more year in the NHL and will take a major cut in pay and playing time. Hunter and Drury are injury prone but who cares, they’re just going to be secondary players. (They could also be asked to take a physical before signing). I’m not sure what Madden has left so Stillman might be my choice. Although I’m not sure he would be willing to play on a 4th line.
With the exception of Hunter, they can all play centre. All four are also good on the PK. I say we wait until Labour Day and then reel one of them in. You’re not winning a Cup this year with guys like Engqvist and Palushaj taking a regular shift. (That’s correct, I feel that given the right circumstance we can be a real threat this year. Two things need to happen – Markov’s knee has to hold up and Gomez has to have a 60 point season).
Please Note: Gomez has basically hit 60 points in 8 out of 11 NHL seasons.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=31170
My understanding is both Drury and Madden are only interested in staying close to home.
I think we should wait until we see what the kids can bring at training camp.
That’s too bad, Frank. Madden has three rings and would be a great insurance policy for the year. He’s hardly missed a game in 12 years. Also great on the PK.
Played with Gomez in Jersey and we all know that Scottie is the magnet that brings free agents to Montreal:-)
Sign PK to a contract extension ASAP.Who knows if another team will offer a contract the habs will have to match.
I know it’s important to sign PK, but you’d think someone would offer drew doughty a contract considering his RFA status.
If doughty isnt’ getting a contract, I have a feeling Subban won’t either.
- Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button
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Top 30 NHL D salaries
http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2010/08/01/2010-2011-nhl-salaries-highest-paid-defenseman/
This seems to be a little more difficult to judge.
You have:
Chara at 7.5
Boyle 6.7
Dion 6.5
Markov 5.75
Keith 5.5
Green 5
Komi 4.5 (just brutal and fitting he’s a Leaf hes a loser)
Ballard 4.2
Unlike Price who you can kinda judge his salary by his peers, the D in the NHL is all over the place. You have Redden, Sourrey, Bouwmeester, Campbell all in the top 15. Kaberle at over 4m, Gonchar 5.5.
It looks like teams are paying D men for how valuable they are to the team and not in relation to other contracts (although Doughty may set a benchmark for PK)
I think we may start to see the Habs come up with some front loaded, long term contracts. Aside from Pleks and Kostitsyn we haven’t been in a position to sign young, drafted talent to long term deals! (which I will look at as a positive because with the team and guys we have locked up for the next 3 – 5 yrs will put us in the playoffs and give us a chance to compete EVERY year!)
Molson Ex mon ami
You forgot Shea Weber.
And Brian Campbell ($7.1M) & Brent Seabrooke ($5.8M)
I don’t know if Mr. Hickey is right or wrong about the next CBA antics. I don’t know which teams are well managed, have good deals, or make money. I only know what I like to watch on the ice.
I like to watch talent. I like to watch Crosby, MaxPac, Ovechkin. I like hard working talented players. Usually those guys are matched against someone who can stop them.
It wasn’t always like that. The NHL changed the rules to make it like that. They increased the roster size and they increased the “in uniform” size from 17 and 2 to 18 and 2. That was a big deal. Before you had three lines, two spares, and six D. To run four lines you had to go with double shifting or drop a D.
When they did that tough guys who scored began to give way to tough guys. Fourth line players became dedicated checking players. A big middle ground of players suddenly opened up. Instead of eevery team having a top line they had two bottom lines, and therefore two top lines. Salaries got confuddled.
So yeah…I can see the solution is to cut back the roster to 21 and dress 18. And I can see the PA walking over that.
Which is too bad because guys like Subban would excel without having to deal with marginal players wearing armour and head hunting.
Totally on board with smaller rosters, let’s eliminate the 30 least skilled players in the NHL. Let’s double shift the best players out there. It’s a big win for hockey.
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I had them in mind but surprisingly Seabrook wasn’t on the list. If memory serves me correctly Seabrook and Keith got very similar contracts. I see them doing that with Price and PK.
Molson Ex mon ami
Here is a good list to use for comparisons:
http://www.capgeek.com/leaders.php?type=CAP_HIT&position=D&limit=25
A unique perspective. I’ve never seen things from that angle before. Nice to have some fresh ideas on here. Keep it coming.
I’m sorry but I stopped reading when you put Max-Pac between Crosby and Ovechkin.
Seriously?
Not trying to troll but come on.
i really want montreal to sign brian mccabe, they need another d-man on the pp
Guys and girls, does anyone really think Price will sign for less than $5m dolla / yr?
Top goalie salaries:
http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2010/08/01/2010-2011-nhl-salaries-highest-paid-goaltenders/
Lundqvist 6.8
Ward 6.3
Miller 6.2
Kipper 5.8
Luongo 5.3 (for 35 yrs)
Thomas 5
Fleury 5
I tried to use guys that were comparable and I understand that Ward, Thomas and Fleury have won Stanley Cups. At the same time Price (after last season) is a top 5 goalie, drafted 5th overall, won at every level and battles and plays in the “Mecca” of hockey.
Molson Ex mon ami
Price is a top-10 goalie. Top-5 is purely subjective.
Thomas is definitely above Price right now based on performance, trophies and a Stanley Cup.
In terms of numbers, Price slots into a group that are largely interchangeable that includes:
Pekka Rinne
Roberto Luongo
Henrik Lundqvist
Jonathan Quick
Carey Price
Ilya Bryzgalov
Cam Ward
Marc-Andre Fleury
Ryan Miller
I have a hard time DEFINITIVELY saying that Price is better than any of those guys. I would argue strongly that Miller, Lundqvist and Luongo are definitely above him on the totem pole as they have been sustaining a high level for longer than Price has.
A little trip down memory lane! Here is Price and his WJC experience, you can also access Gio and Cammies along the top bar. My own memory with Cammy is watching and wishing we had drafted such a gifted goal scorer (was seeing Cournoyer).
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/btws2010/?player=Price
In case any of you missed the third segment and 6th audio of the Brian Wilde interview on the Habs.
IMHO the most insightful and in-depth look at our Habs this summer. And if you missed the first interviews, don’t!
http://www.allhabs.net/feature/habs-preview-part-iii-with-brian-wilde-pay-the-price-run-to-the-cup/
Listened to all the interviews this week. Really gets you looking forward to the season doesn’t it? Don’t know much about Brian Wilde not living in Mtl. but he sure seems to have a passion for hockey and our Habs. What i liked about him was his candidness, so many sportscasters sound like the players with cliches. But he was quite informitive I think given his role with CTV.
Perhaps because he was the interviewee and it was not on CTV. That we were able to get such candidness.
Checked out his bio, he is from Edmonton but transferred to Montreal in 1995.
Can’t wait for Tinordi to make the Habs team and proceed to make Lucic part of the ice in the form of a puddle after destroying him physically. If this kid has his father’s temperment to go along with a bigger frame than his father, he will impose his will in our zone. I know at least 2 years away, but been so long since developed our own physical dman who can play hockey (Sorry Komi).
Lets hope he has a good camp with USA Jr. team and gets that development experience of playing in World Jr.’s.
Tinordi looked damn good in the 2nd half of the OHL season last year for London (he had an lousy start though). If he can build off what he did in that 2nd half then we should see him make the USA squad.
Fortunately for me, living in London allows me to see him develop a bit. The great news is that he’s not just some big goon – the kid can actually play hockey!
- Honestly yours
I agree, I think between the tutelage of his father and the Hunter brothers he has potential to be a real player with a physical presence. Just imagine that blueline of future, Tinordi, Yemelin, PK, Beaulieau. What a core that could be.
Yessir! Plus if Weber and/or Diaz develop into real offensive threats while becoming defensively responsible, we’ll have one amazing and very dynamic blueline.
Not to mention a hopefully healthy and still effective Andrei Markov as their veteran leader.
- Honestly yours
Mr. Tinordi is still pretty much a skinny kid. I don’t think he has the strength yet to take on a player like Milan Lucic. Let’s temper ourselves a bit, just because he is tall doesn’t mean he will be a Pronger or Chara-type defenseman, he could develop into more of a Hal Gill type.
I think we’re doing him a disservice if what we expect from him is to be a goon who will avenge past wrongs.
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For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.
http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/
I didn’t mean to be a goon, but rather a large physically imposing dman. When i say he is at least 2 years away, I am recognizing he has much strenth/weight to put on, and for skills to improve. If however, genetics hasn’t changed, he should develop physically along a simliar line as his father. Mark Tinordi was a very strong dman who played an abrasive game. I watched him play many games as a Minnesota North Star when they played in Wpg. A Craig Ludwig type dman with better offensive game.
He’s already laying down big hits on Bruins’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXO8CoAgnmU&feature=player_embedded
Doesnt say a lot about LA cops that Avery shoved them around.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
Female officers…maybe?
You’re making an assumption. It doesn’t say in the reports that he “shoved them around”. He was arrested for pushing an officer. That’s a big difference.
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For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.
http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/
Come on don’t spoil the fun, that’s what we fill these spaces with is assumptions!
Let’s assume that the cap stays the same for next year and that the CBA has no radical alterations.
How do we accommodate a pay raise for Subban? Spacek’s salary will be off the books but we will still have to replace him with another player so we should be able to save 3M on his departure. Would Subban sign for 3.8M? I guess it depends on how well he plays this year, especially seeing that he will now have to share the limelight with Markov.
Price’s contract is a totally different situation. He’s a few years ahead of Subban in terms of experience and will probably get somewhere between 6-7M. The Rinne contract will be the canary in the coal mine on that one. That means the Habs need to find another 4M for Price. We have close to that amount right now in saved space. We also have to consider our other significant future signing in terms of AK46. If he has a breakthrough year then we are going to have to give him a decent raise. If not, then he will probably be cut free with some of the savings (he still has to be replaced on the roster) going to Price. If Andrei hits pay dirt, then it just might mean that Gomez hits the road.
Regardless, there certainly seems to be enough cap room to re-sign both of our budding building blocks.
If Price gets 6 to 7 after never getting past the 2nd round, it’ll mean that PG has gone brain dead. Rewarding goalies like that- see the 2 most glaring examples- Luongo and DiPietro- is nothing short of totally stupid.
Is Price worth 3.5 to 4 mil? Yes. But success in the playoffs is everything and paying him crazy money for 1 really good season is, well, crazy.
Subban can be rewarded with about $3, but it depends on his sophomore season. If he continues to play at and still shows improvement, draw up the 5 year term contract.
AK, unless he scores 30+, will not be worth much more than he’s getting now.
The cap room is there to keep both Price and Subban happy, but let’s hope PG isn’t forced to start ditching good players to accommodate them.
I hear what you are saying and basically agree with you. The truth of the matter is that the NHL GM’s can’t help themselves and keep giving out ludicrous contracts. The fact that they overpaid for players in the 21-27 age bracket after “winning” the lockout is proof enough. Playoff performance has little to do with it.
Let’s use Minnesota as an example. This franchise is stuck in neutral in terms of yearly performance. They have no hope right now of going anywhere in the western playoffs for the next few years. Yet they overpay guys like Koivu (6.7M), Backstrom (6.0M) and Zidlicky (4.0M). You can also look at all the money that Florida just spent on overhyped players just in order to hit the cap floor. No team seems to be immune from the insanity.
Weren’t you estimating that Gorges would get 3M+? I tell you what. Next summit. Give me your wallet and let me pay for the drink. I am sure you wont mind when I tell you it cost 40$.
Dave – are you telling me a Cosmopolitan costs 40 bucks:-)
Touche’
Shaken not stirred!!!
GMan, How much would you signed Price and Subban if you were in PG shoes for next season?
It’s a given to me that Gomez is gone after this year, or during.
1 – let us see how he plays
2 – after this season he becomes a Cap bargain in that his Salary Cap is larger then his actual salary. Making him desirable for a team trying to make the minimum but with low team revenues.
Scott Gomez for Shea Weber – straight up. Make it so PG, make it so.
- Honestly yours
Subban will not sign for us 3.8M.
He will sign for greener bucks somewhere else or be traded.
Remember what Komisarek said when he was with us in Montreal? “Montreal is the mecca of hockey, the best place to play”
We all know Komo jumped ship and signed for more money and my feeling is Subban will do the same.
Regardless, we’ll have the extra money then to spend on other players.
Ah yes, the business and greed of hockey and sports in today’s world where the global economy is sinking deeper and deeper.
“We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “
Three letters. RFA.
Don’t those letters also apply to Price? Would he have arbitration rights?
You have to say it slower to retromonkey will understand.
Didn’t you want Subban traded last year because his value would never be higher?
He’s also ~5 years away from being a UFA.
Poor old retromonkey. First you say PK is an over rated junior who they should trade and now you say he worth too much for us sign and will go else where. I guess if he gets 4 to 5 million that would make him more then some over rated junior player now wouldn’t it? Thank god gainey wasn’t stupid enough like your BFF brian burke to waste so much money on komisarek. You should stick to something like serbian soccer or coupon cliping at food basics cause you clearly know nothing about hockey.