Training camp notes, Day 2

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Habs prospect Alex Galchenyuk showed his considerable hockey skills at training camp on Monday.

You can see Galchenyuk’s nifty moves beating Habs goalie Peter Budaj during a shootout drill on this TSN video by clicking here:

“We like what we’re seeing presently,” Canadiens coach Michel Therrien said about Galchenyuk, 18, the team’s first-round at this year’s draft.

“One thing that he showed today is that he’s got tremendous skill,” Therrien said.

“I like his speed. I like his vision with the puck. He’s got a lot of poise with it,” the coach added. “He’s got a great shot… So there are a lot of good things out there to work with.”

Read Pat Hickey’s column on Galchenyuk and how the youngster’s maturity has impressed Therrien by clicking here.

Therrien likes the players’ attitude at camp, saying they’re ready to learn.

Asked by a reporter about the role he envisions for forward Lars Eller, Therrien said he’s at a stage where he’s got to take another step in his career.

“That’s the way I see it,” the coach said. “He’s got potential. He’s a young player still developing. But there’s a time in your career you want the player … to bring his game to another level and this is what I’m expecting from him.”

Defenceman Francis Bouillon, who signed a one-year contract with the Canadiens last summer, said he was “so nervous” two weeks ago, fearing the worst – that there wouldn’t be an NHL season.

With the lockout over, Bouillon said he’s glad to be back. And he called Therrien, who he played for during his previous stint with the Habs, the best candidate to get the team back on track.

The Canadiens have already sold out their season opener Saturday at the Bell Centre against the Toronto Maple Leafs and as of Monday afternoon only a few tickets were remaining for next Tuesday’s game against Florida. Read more about ticket sales by clicking here. See the complete Canadiens’ schedule by clicking here.

The Canadiens will hold a scrimmage on Thursday night at the Bell Centre that will be free for fans to attend and will include free food. Read more about that by clicking here.

Teammates Ryan White and Brandon Prust dropped the gloves at practice Monday, but “we were just fooling around,” White said as the two tough guys get ready for the season. Read more about that by clicking here.

To see a Gazette video from Day 2 of training camp, click here. To see a Gazette photo gallery from Habs camp, click here.

You can hear what forward Colby Armstrong had to say about Galchenyuk and the Canadiens season opener on Saturday against the Toronto Maple Leafs below:

796 Comments

  1. geo_habsgo says:

    Really wish we could have Jonathan Toews on this team…

    • habs1966 says:

      This might be a stupid question. Could Tampa buy out Vinny and would we sign him at a decent price,would he come?

      • geo_habsgo says:

        I don’t think he’d be bought out but if he were to be bought out I don’t think he would sign here. I don’t think he wants the pressure of playing in such a high market where he would be looked at as a superstar locally.

        I would be very happy to be proven wrong though if he came willingly at a fair price.

        • Mike D says:

          Vinny hasn’t been a superstar for quite a while. Still a good player, but not a superstar by any stretch.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • geo_habsgo says:

            Didn’t say he still played like a superstar I said the would be treated as such by fans in the city. He’d instantly be our most talented or at least most accomplished locally grown player.

          • Mike D says:

            He’d be far from our most talented IMO. You are right that he would be treated like a star though.

            Oddly enough, Gomez is probably our most accomplished (two cups and a Calder trophy). Vinny would be among our other cup winners like Gio, Moen, Kaberle for most accomplished.

            - Honestly yours
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      • Cal says:

        He loves T-Bay and wouldn’t leave. He’s lived there his entire adult life, save for visits to family in the Montreal area.

      • Mike D says:

        He wouldn’t really be of any value to us given the current logjam at Center.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

  2. Cal says:

    Any thoughts on the possible Gomez Grievance?

    I think he should take the money and run. His contract, and quite a few others, are the reason that all teams should be able to buy out contracts at any time without a cap penalty.
    A team should be able to give a player his outright release, making that player a UFA and giving that player the opportunity to find another place to play.

    • Loonie says:

      On a personal level I think he should take the money and run. But the unfortunate thing for him here is that the union will put tremendous pressure on him to go along with whatever they plan on doing.

      And Gomez will surely be blamed for any fallout.

      • 24 Cups says:

        If the groin issue is that severe (or chronic), then Gomez should take the money and move on. Why fight a battle for the NHLPA that has no benefit for him outside of a possible after tax $750000 (after making 58.3M in career earnings, four years of which he didn’t even have to play!)? He could easily recoup that money with a one year deal for 1.5M if he is cleared for play. Why bother. (Same goes for Redden).

        He may also lose and have to go through hell. He must be weary by now in terms of how his reputation has been run into the ground.

        • Loonie says:

          It doesn’t matter which route he decides to go. He’ll be in the doghouse.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          There won’t be any fallout or battle.

          The PA won’t be too concerned with the precedent since this is the only year this can happen, and it’s limited to just a couple of players.

          • Loonie says:

            Their bark is probably bigger than their bite right now but they’re certainly giving the league the impression that they aren’t going to lay down on issues like this.

    • BJ says:

      Maybe contracts should include performance clauses that see the salary go south of where they signed if the expected performance is not there.

      • Loonie says:

        And North if it goes above and beyond the production of others in the same salary range?

        • BJ says:

          Could work if its a bonus. But I’m a believer in honoring your initial agreement regardless.

          • commandant says:

            No, you are a believer in that the player has to honour his agreement regardless. You are willing to let the team off the hook if he underperforms, but you give no opportunity for a guy who exceeds expectations to earn more.

            Where is the fairness in that.

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      • Cal says:

        Performance clauses affects team play on the ice, so I am not in favour. We were all hoping for a 70 + points player and watched a player struggle after the first season here.
        I believe buyouts should be an available tool, but this does point out how insane long term contracts are. 5 seasons is plenty.

  3. Loonie says:

    Reaction to the Top 50.

    I suppose the list and how you critique it is based on your taste. But when I think of the best players in the World I think of the players that can do everything and excel at anything.

    So Pavel Datsyuk and Jonathan Toews at #5 and #6 respectively isn’t where I’d have them. I would have them at #2 and #3 respectively immediately behind Sidney Crosby. And because Shea Weber is so dominant I would be tempted to put him at #4.

    It’s also worth noting that John Tavares has become a better defensive player than any of the big stars not named Crosby, Toews or Datsyuk and gives away nothing in offensive ability or production to any of them big scorers not named Malkin. Tavares should be in that top 5 conversation as well in my opinion.

    Two more points. First Duncan Kieth in the low fourties is a joke.

    Second, the list is what I suspected it would be last night. Heavy on high point production and name value, low on substance in just about every other area.

  4. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Three days without rain = a drought.
    Three beer a week = alcoholism.
    Two goals per season = a skilled centre.
    Two sandboxes in the park = a desert.

    I’m worried about this PK holdout.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      PK missing camp is not a good thing either

    • BJ says:

      After all the hassles of the CBA and now PK! He can stay home and ponder his value to the team. Maybe its a chance for Tinordi to stick around for some games. I’m personally tired of “Prima Donnas” and their over inflated value of themselves. This does not only apply to PK but to the rest of these guys that seem to think that millions per year are not enough to get by on.

  5. 24 Cups says:

    Top 50 players in the NHL as per TSN. Alas, no Habs.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=81134

    • Mr.Hazard says:

      I was just coming here to post EXACTLY that! loll

    • Marc10 says:

      I just don’t get what Rick Nash is doing on that list – or that high up for that matter.

      But yeah, they’re mostly all brand names with amazing track records. Our guys just don’t have the pedigree. But we’ve got a kid in the system that will make that list… and really, on a winning team, I could see a couple of our guys get recognition. Being on a stacked team doesn’t seem to hurt.

    • Chris says:

      I started making up my own list last night. I had D. Sedin quite a bit lower, for starters.

      I have Patrick Kane quite a bit lower, and would probably even replace him with Patrick Sharp, who I believe is a more complete hockey player.

      Henrik Zetterberg at 22 is too low. I’ve got him closer to the top 10.

      Three Edmonton Oilers players (Jordan Eberle at 25, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins at 48 and Taylor Hall at 50) is a joke. Maybe they get there, but those are all largely one-dimensional hockey players.

      Erik Karlsson at 11 is WAY too high, and Zdeno Chara at 12 is too low.

      Tyler Seguin (31) before Patrice Bergeron (35) is just mystifying. I would take Bergeron over Seguin…they post similar offensive numbers, but Bergeron is in the conversation for the best defensive forward in hockey. Bergeron should be much, much higher.

      And while it is popular to malign him, poor Joe Thornton. Coming in at #40 despite being a point-per-game player, winning 56.1% of his faceoffs and playing almost 21 minutes per game. Yeah…that is pretty crappy. Thornton gets left holding the bag for the Sharks’ playoff disappointments, but he has basically played the same in the playoffs as he has in the regular season post-lockout.

      Guys I think are missing:

      They include Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf, but not Teemu Selanne? Right. Getzlaf was dropped off my list after he stunk out the joint last season.

      Niklas Kronwall is a pretty glaring omission. Fourth in goals amongst defenceman, good defender that plays heavy minutes in all situations and one of the more feared hitters on the blue line. Not sure how he gets left off in favour of Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Phil Kessel.

      Patrik Elias is the most underrated star player in the NHL, so it is hardly a surprise that he gets left off this lest. I would have had him closer to the top 20.

      Mikko Koivu is better than a number of the forwards they slotted in between 31-50. If the Wild offered him straight-up for most of those guys, the other team takes that deal and wins. With his much-improved supporting cast, he will be there next season.

      Of my bubble picks, Alexander Edler is one of the better defencemen in the NHL. I was inclined to include him, and I had him ahead of Alex Pietrangelo (who is far too high in the TSN list), P.K. Subban, Dustin Brown, Mike Richards and Ryan Kesler.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Interesting that Ovechkin (who used to be an automatic top three pick) is now #14. Spezza and Doughty are too high on the list for me. Top 50 lists should NOT be based on potential or past performances. It’s all about the here and now.

        Dallas can’t be too thrilled to see Benn on the list. His new contract will rival Subban’s, easily.

        I read your comments about Edler. I certainly like his size, age and upside as an UFA. He kind of crash landed near the end of the year so it will be interesting to see what he does in this year’s playoffs. The Habs would probably have to jettison Markov which I can’t see happening.

  6. rhino514 says:

    Regarding the worries over next year´s salary cap. As I understand it, next year´s salaries will be rolled back to comply with 50/50 of HRR. so it shouldn´t be a problem. Am I wrong on this? It seems to me posters are adding up next year´s salaries as they stand to see if they fit under the cap, but that isn´t actually what will take place next year, is it?

    • 24 Cups says:

      There is no official rollback. Salaries stay the same and the cap is 64.5M, a figure which the cap can never go below throughout the lifetime of the deal. There are the two amnesty buyouts which should help most teams meet the cap.

      However, players stand to lose money through escrow but that won’t directly relate to meeting the cap (in terms of your question).

      Montreal will save money with the Gomez buyout but will also have to spend money on players such as DD, Subban and Galchenyuk. Kaberle would be the parachute if things get really tight.

      • matt jordan says:

        And of course Cole is considering retirement since he is so hard done by.

      • rhino514 says:

        But isn´t the cap determined by calculating 50% of HRR and then dividing that by 30 teams?
        I guess they just set an arbitrary cap of 64.3 million for next season then. But beyond that am I correct that they revert back to using the above formula, with the proviso that the end total can´t be below 64.3 (since no specific amount has been set for the following seasons?
        If that´s the case, strangely, next season will be incredibly tough for some teams to get under the cap, but beyond that season it will be get progressively easier for teams each year?

  7. AliHaba says:

    Is this the day that PK signs?

  8. Stevie.Ray says:

    Which Gally would you like to see on a line with Gio and Bourque? I think with the shortened season and low expectation, this would be a prime opportunity for a young scoring prospect to get some experience on a line with two seasoned vets

    • thorandresson says:

      well, when only one of them is a center…

    • savethepuck says:

      Neither would be on a line with Gally and Bourque because I don’t expect
      Alex to be a center to start the season, but I fully expect him on the wing. Posters are way too worried about him being misused or rushed, but I strongly disagree with that. Of all the former prospects that were “rushed” according to all the experts What former prospects actually
      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  9. jedimyrmidon says:

    Aw, last home game of the season is against the Caps on the 27th of Apr. Habs did absolutely horrible against them last season (shutout 3 times, I think).

  10. Stevie.Ray says:

    Take away shootout GA and empty net GA and Montreal finished with a positive GF/GA differential. Pretty good for 15th in the East. We lost too many close games. If Gio was healthy, and if Cammy and Kostitsyn were to chip in a little more, and if we weren’t the most injured team in the league last season would have been very different.

    I don’t know if our team is as good now, as it was at the beginning of last season. Gio, Cole and Markov are all another year older and with the loss of Cammy and Kos, our offense may not be as strong.

    We also appear to lack strong defensive depth. I’m ok with our top 4 but Diaz, Weber, Kaberle are still iffy defensively. I hope Boullion can fill a similar role as Gill, despite height. If not, that means a lot of hard minutes in our own zone for Gorges, Emelin, and unfortunately Markov and Subban. I also hope Therrien utilizes Kaberle properly. You got to really shield him so that other teams can’t take advantage of him.

    I think its safe to say our bottom 6 forwards are better. Especially if Bourque plays on the third line. Bourque, Eller and Armstrong can provide a lot of energy and grit but also have some offensive skill. I’m really hoping for a bounceback season from Armstrong (10 goals this year?). However, I don’t think this will be the ideal line to be on the ice in our own end, meaning more defensive minutes logged by Pleks. Moen, Prust, White and the invisible man Nokelainen I think can be a decent gritty shutdown line. I think thats what they should aim for.

    My biggest concern is depth on D and second line scoring.

  11. sevenman says:

    Ater checking out the above Colby Armstrong video above, I jumped around as I always seem to do on youtube and this video popped up

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0KBDfiVEeS0

    I apologize that my French isn’t that great but I was wondering what MT asks MB and what MB’s answer is at around 6:25 of the video a small translation would be great.

    Thanks in advance

    • Boomer says:

      It’s tough to translate because one of the things MT says is an expression. Loosely translated he says, “Marc you return to MTL after 28 years. And you come in through the big doors( that’s the expression, he’s kinda saying it’s a big arrival). There must be two people upstairs that are very proud of you(his parents).
      Mb: “you saw the video.. Beautiful memories but the only thing that is difficult for me… Is my parents. The tears are there but I’m proud and I’m good.”

  12. ooder says:

    I am curious to know if this “holdout” has anything to do with the fact that when everyone was bashing PK (i.e. richards and all the bruins ….) not one person, not a single one from habs management had the balls to stand up for him. Not JM, not PG, not Molson not any assitant coach… no one.
    boy would that be a kick in the ass to Molson for being such a wet noodle
    ——————
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    • db says:

      It’s Montreal… someone always gets bashed, ask his team.. you see the great answers they give for Gomez.. PK’s family.. it doesn’t need to be said. They all have his back, and enjoy playing with him.. let the haters hate.

      I wonder how much of a new negotiation it is, how much the numbers came down from this summer with the new CBA, Cole might not be happy. I bet he becomes an agent after he retires. Imo, PK will sign before Saturday, the Dallas Stars don’t think the same of Benn as per tsn..

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      You expect PK’s coach to stand up in front of a camera and rebuttal Mike Richards’ remarks? and the GM? The owner?! Give me a break PK is a big boy he can stand up for himself. He doesn’t need Geoff Molson saying “Hey guys get me an interview I’d like to give Mike Richards a piece of my mind.”

      • ooder says:

        I expect the coach to have his players backs…something I don’t think JM did. Personally it would have been nice to see JM to tell other haters to shut thier mouths and let PK play.
        However JM didn’t say anything, neither did PG, just like when Pacioretty had his neck broken and all JM could must was: we will see what the league will do.
        love him or hate him Burke had his players backs and stood up for them, took attention of off them and put the spotlight on himself.
        Something JM or PG would never have done
        ——————
        The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • savethepuck says:

      It’s not a holdout, it’s a contract negotiation, and no player is going to enter a training camp without a signed contract, the same as Habs mgmt is worried if they let Gomez play, he may get hurt and not be eligible for an amnesty buyout. If PK decided to come to camp and get hurt while there, what would he ever get?

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • twilighthours says:

      Gainey stood up. “shut up and play against him”

    • Habs54 says:

      Your memory is short. Bob Gainey stood up for PK.

      • rhino514 says:

        Yes, Gainey stood up for Pk. Gainey who is much maligned as a GM around here and brought the team to the plaoffs every year save one, that Gainey.

        I don´t see whay coaches have to stand up for players in all situations. Players aren´t babies and don´t need their coach to defend them publicly all the time. There may be a time for a coach to say something publicly but I don´t think it should be a habitual thing. Burke just had no credibility as he was constantlly pumping up the tires of all his players. Saying Reimer will be the next Plante while not so secretly going after Luongo, for example.

    • Haligonian-Hab says:

      Gainey told Richards and others to “shut up and play him”

  13. Castor says:

    Let us start this season with everyone spelling “you’re” correctly.

  14. Boomer says:

    If anyone is interested in hockey pools “le journal de montreal” is having an online one. It’s really interesting but REALLY tough. You start with 30 million in cap space and and have to pick 2 goalies, 6 Dmen and 12 forwards. Goalies will get you 100k for each win 200k for each shutout. Dmen get 150k per goal 100k per assist. Forwards get 100k per goal 50k per assist.
    I’m open to suggestions here’s my first draft:
    Goalies:
    Jonathan Quick 1.7 mil
    Mike Smith 2 mil

    Dmen:
    Oliver eckman larsson 1.75 mil
    cam fowler 1.4 mil
    Kevin shattenkirk 1.325 mil
    ryan mcdonaugh 1.3 mil
    adam larsson .925 mil
    jay harisson .750 mil

    Forwards:
    Claude Giroux 3.5
    kyle okposo 2
    wayne simmonds 2
    alex burrows 2
    max pac 1.75
    jeff skinner 1.4
    Lars eller 1.15
    Jordan caron 1.1
    Jordan eberle 1.1
    daniel alfredsson 1
    D desharnais .950
    Marcus Johansson .900

    30 Million to the penny! lol

    • kmachabs27 says:

      i cant read french so can you post the actually link to it.

    • savethepuck says:

      Wow, they really limit your salary cap as a GM. Picking only 20 players instead of a 23 man roster at only 43 pct of the actual salary cap is tough. I think your goaltenders are great, had to check capgeek re Quick because I knew he signed a long term extension last year and thought it kicked in sooner re Cap ( they are saying actually 1.8 and goes up to 5.8 after that so hope the 100K doesn’t hurt your calculations ). Both he and Smith play for good defensive teams who will allow few goals and get lots of starts. I see with a lot of other picks that you are benefiting from a lot of players that have entered into extended contracts at big money, that are not affecting this years salary cap. Makes we wonder how some of these teams are going to handle next season when the Cap drops from 70.2 to 64.3.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Boomer says:

        It’ll definately make things interesting next year.
        I forgot to mention there are decent prizes to be won and it is free to play.

        • savethepuck says:

          Can it be done on-line, and if so, what’s the website for journal de Montreal. Personally think it may be too much research for me re Cap hits etc…but I may be interested.
          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

    • 24 Cups says:

      You might want to try and drop Harrison as Corvo, Gragnani, and Murphy all have potential to steal away his points.

      Caron should get regular icetime but I wonder who else might be out there for 1.1M.

  15. Chris says:

    Looking through contracts, the Vancouver Canucks are just royally screwed next season.

    They will almost certainly buy out Keith Ballard, and are obviously hoping to dump Luongo.

    But their contracts are just ridiculous:

    D. Sedin – $6.1 M (good)
    H. Sedin – $6.1 M (good)
    R. Kesler – $5.0 M (depends on if last year was anomalous)
    D. Booth – $4.25 M (too much)
    A. Burrows – $4.5 M (too much)

    That’s a lot of money ($25.95 M) for their top 5 forwards. But then it gets worse:

    K. Bieksa – $4.6 M (too much)
    J. Garrison – $4.6 M (too much)
    D. Hamhuis – $4.5 M (about right)
    K. Ballard – $4.2 M (about right)
    A. Edler – UFA, but he’ll be looking for a huge raise over his $3.25 M

    The Canucks could very easily lose Edler simply due to a lack of cap space. And Edler is one of the defencemen around the league that I would absolutely LOVE to see in Montreal. Great size (6’3″, 215 pounds), good speed, great offensive touch and he can quarterback a power play.

    The idea of Edler and Subban leading a Montreal blue line leaves me giddy. It almost certainly wouldn’t happen…but man. I think that Garrison contract comes back to haunt Vancouver, as it puts them a bit behind the 8-ball in terms of finding the cap space to hold onto Edler AND round out the rest of the roster.

    • Marc10 says:

      Well their window effectively closes at the end of this year. Their best shot was against Boston and a decimated D and Timmy T did them in. I don’t know that they get another shot before they retool. I guess we’ll find out.

      You’d have to think the new CBA and lowered cap puts a giant ‘buyer beware’ around talent coming off good seasons in their late 20s.

      That’s why I’d think twice about Edler. We’ve already got Markov and Kabby as our aging, highly priced D… Why compound that? If we’re on the bubble with a week to go, I’d rather we ship our aging veterans for prospects/picks. Our window arrives in three years if we’re realistic. Let’s line ourselves up for that.

    • savethepuck says:

      Call me naive, but I see Andrei Markov as the PP QB for the next 3 or 4 years for the Habs. He just turned 34 less than a month ago and I’ve seen numerous DMen have successful careers well into their late 30′s. If he’s even close to 80 pct of what he was prior to his injuries since 2009, I’d prefer him. If not, Nathan Beaulieu may develop into what Edler is, for a much cheaper price. I honestly don’t think the Habs will be in a position to go after UFAs like this next season due to the 5.9 million drop in the salary cap for next season and players they will need to sign, regardless of who else they plan to use in the amnesty buyout clause.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • commandant says:

      I don’t think Bieksa is that bad a contract at 4.6…. same with Garrison. But maybe thats just me.

      That said, Booth is probably their second buyout.

      If Edler leaves, I’d love to see him in Montreal too, but I don’t think we have the cap space to sign him next year.

      I think Detroit might be a soft landing spot for him.

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  16. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I read some advocating Bergevin low-ball PK with a ‘bridge’ contract

    …to Me, a ‘bridge contract’ con-notates for someone who has yet to arrive

    …if any of You have not noticed that PK is not yet here, then I respectfully suggest You open Your eyes

    …3 to 5 year deal for $ 4.5 to $ 5.5 million/year seems wise and fair to Me

    …I think PK has some maturing to do, because, though I love His exuberance and quick wit, as well as His skill on the ice …being a little more ‘quiet and modest’ will serve Him better long-term, because there will be a lot of players of the NHL that will be out to cut His ego down to size …which may shorten His career and erode His current skills by injuries

    …even the modest Bobby Orr’s, a far better player than PK will ever be, career was ended far too prematurely because an accumulation of ferocious hits He had to absorb over His brilliant, but shortened career

    …I want PK to remain confident and effective on the ice, but I want Him to cut down on making Himself a juicy target for the bestially-inclined by running His lip too much

  17. jedimyrmidon says:

    Folks on HFBoards brought up the following points:

    - The Sarnia Sting have about 30 games left to play.
    - Unlike the Kitchener Rangers, Owen Sound Attack and Plymouth Whalers, the Sting didn’t load up on talent to make a run at the Memorial Cup, and their best defenseman Connor Murphy is out for the season from an injury suffered at the WJCs. So Sarnia’s playoff hopes are pretty slim. (The London Knights didn’t add much, but are the top team in the OHL by a fair margin)
    - And so, if Galchenyuk were to make the Habs, he would have at minimum 48 games to play.

    That’s an interesting consideration.

  18. savethepuck says:

    Just got home, was out for the night. A lot of interesting posts re the PK situation for me to read. Surprises me the # of posters here who don’t see his value. I am fully aware of the past bridge contracts Habs have signed, but I would have absolutely no problem signing PK to a long term contract at 5 mil or even more. The latter years would be a bargain considering what the salary cap will be then along with other salaries. Anyone saying 3 million or less are probably the same posters saying we are doomed if he is not in camp soon to prepare for this season because he is so valuable. Those who don’t see his value are not watching waht I’m watching. I also think calling him selfish is ridiculous. The guy hired his agent and pays him big bucks to get him the best deal possible. It’s business, and that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone here.
    Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • K-hab25 says:

      I’m not sure how it is you think those of us on the 2 year 3 mill contract think we’ll be “doomed” without him. The, he’s worth whatever he wants crew, arre the ones preaching doom & gloom, not us living in the real world. We finished last in the east and 3rd over all with him, sorry but, as I’ve been preaching, no ONE player is that important. By the way “don’t hate the player , hate the game” nice pimp reference, classy.

      • savethepuck says:

        Honestly have no idea what you mean by “nice pimp reference, classy.”

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • HardHabits says:

          To be fair… you said “Player” and not “Playa.”

          “Don’t hate the playa, hate the game,” is pimp and ho talk.

          I actually think you had no idea what you were saying or where the reference originates.

  19. habstrinifan says:

    An excerpt from a post by RHINO51

    “For whatever reason, the parents could have a problem with Montreal, and they just may be ignorant enough to not fully realize the risk they making their son take by holding out.
    We have no way of knowing if that´s what´s going on. But if I had to guess wether they are not being a positive influence in this process; That´s what I would guess NO.”

    Incredible post calling an accomplished, innovative and respected educator IGNORANT!!

    Once again proving that RHINO does have an incredibly small brain for an animal of its size.

  20. HabFan in Edmonton says:

    Maybe this has been posted earlier but I was just watching TSN and they showed plays of the week featuring a spectacular goal by Mark Macmillan (4th pick in 2010). A pretty awesome goal. I don’t know if anybody has talked about this kid but he looks pretty good. I found a link for it below.

    http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/habs-prospect-mark-macmillans-spectacular-solo-goal-video/

  21. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …wonderful for My Soul reading all of You discussing, debating and ‘fighting’ about REAL hockey/Habs issues and opinions

    …wonderful for My Soul watching clips of Our Team on the ice together, anxious to compete for a season that not too long ago appeared like it was not to be

    …the lockout and ‘Hick’s Midnight Fantasies’ and the overall gloom and doom of Our conversations on the death struggle between Fehr and Bettman, the players and the NHL, for Me, reminded Myself of the train-ride I took from Pyongyang North Korea to China awhile ago.

    …I remember the exhalation I experienced crossing the Yalu River on the Friendship Bridge from Sinuiju, the last stop on the North Korean side into Dandong China and it’s colour, high rises, dynamic metropolis and relative freedom to stifling North Korea.

    …interesting, for certain, as an ‘experience …but, most would not want it to be part of Your day-to-day

    …so, exciting to read Your excitement and debates …exciting to see the promise I saw in early videos of Galchenyuk as being the real-deal, seeming more and more likely to be a part of Our immediate future, rather than another long-term, outside ‘prospect’

    …wished We could have allowed Gomer one last opportunity to prove Us all wrong, but Bergevin had no choice, and $ 7 million being paid for someone to sit on Their couch to eat Cheezies absolves much of any of Our ‘guilt’

    …I even have resolved to allow Therrien time to hang himself before I begin to harangue Y’all that Patrick Roy would have been more fun to watch as our Habs’ Coach this already intense and exciting short season

    …My gut tells Me Our Habs, this season, will be something We have not seen in years, a combination of grit, character, speed and skill, that I can not yet see missing the playoffs

    …of course, there are other teams out there with similar …but none of them wear the CH :)

    …yesterday I received My new 60″ 3D LED, and I and Quentin will shop for something more interesting than Cheezies to quaff as We once again begin to enjoy the quintessential Habs Fans’ right of passage

    …Go Habs Go !!!

    • Blondie says:

      It’s definitely better seeing everybody arguing over players and lines rather than the CBA and negotiation ploys. Very refreshing.

      Next Habs game is right around the corner, can’t wait!

  22. Price07 says:

    I was so angry to read the news about the PA trying to make the decision on Gomez illegal. I mean at what point do these guys not realize they have to take a part of the risk/blame and be accountable. I mean at 59 points for 7.5 million we were kinda getting ripped off but it was somewhat acceptable. But when the guy goes to 38 points then TWO goals (on pace for 5 if he played the whole season) for 7.5 million! I mean common, at a certain point it becomes beyond ridiculous. He signed the contract and it would be ignorant to say “hey they offered it to me, I’m taking it, anything else after this is not my problem.” You take a 7.5 million dollar contract in a cap world you better be ready to be hounded when you play badly. You better realize that a team can very well send you down or home even if you still have the skill to play in the NHL but are just not anywhere near an acceptable bang for the buck.

    I like the guy, I feel kinda bad for him but he made a mockery of his employer putting up the amount of points a 12 or 13th forward puts up, while getting paid more than most 1st liners.

  23. Mike D says:

    I realize it’s not a huge deal, but why did Hamilton trade Nash? He’s likely a career AHLer, but is the new guy any better? And wasn’t Nash the ‘Dogs captain?

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  24. habstrinifan says:

    “a smug and smarmy purveyor of putrid and petulant platitudes.”

    Beautiful!

    Edit!!!!! Apologies Hardhabits this was meant to b posted under your post.

  25. aj says:

    Galy, Eller, Gio – Hmmm? Eller, Galy, Gio? You know what I notice? If Eller and the rookie are interchangable centres, we could have a reincarnated “EGG line” for the Habs – What a coincidence!!

  26. Hobie Hansen says:

    @Lonnie AKA….Tom (sorry to blow your cover)

    My line combos below (No rookies) was my pessimistic, safe bet combinations. After thinking about it, I think Dumont is and upgrade over Nokelainen and do hope Galchenyuk sticks.

    I didn’t really add everything up after Gomez was sent home.

    However, I think Bergevin will be under extreme pressure to send Galchenyuk down to junior and not fall into the trap of rushing him.

    • Mike D says:

      Not really the point of your post, but in regards to *Loonie*, I think he should change his HIO handle to *Tommy 5 Cents*

      Has a cool ring to it….and still gives him the anonymity he wants.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Bergevin will be under pressure from the fans to keep Galchenyuk but all his hockey sense will pressure him to send Galcehnyuk back to junior and not be labeled as the guy who rushed him if he doesn’t live up to the hype down the road.

        Any better or should I call it a night?

    • Bill says:

      I don’t think Galchenyuk is the kind of player you can “rush”. His skills are natural and already well-developed.

      I actually don’t see the point of him playing more Junior. He’s shown as a dominant player there this year. He’s not going to learn much else there.

      I think the Habs should take the Seguin path with Galchenyuk. Give him 3rd or 4th line duty (assuming he’s not ready for top six work, which he shouldn’t be right away) and let him learn the NHL game.

      It’s a short season. 48 games on the third or fourth line and next year he’ll be ready for more.

      I’d say it’s 70-30 he sticks, and I’m in favour of it.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I think I’m leaning towards him sticking, especially after just turning on the TV for the first time today.

      • Mike D says:

        Whatever is best for his development should dictate which league he plays in – totally agree with you on that.

        If he does make the Habs lineup for the whole season, then it should be on one of the top 3 lines. The 4th line is no place for a guy with his skill level.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Bill says:

          Fourth line in the NHL still makes you one of the top players in the world. Nothing wrong with that. He can still have power-play time. Worked for Seguin!

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Mike D says:

            I hear ya. My thought was just to put him on more of a scoring line with more skilled line mates. Sharing a line with people like Nokes, White, Prust, etc. is probably not a good match for his skill set.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  27. frontenac1 says:

    Heads up Amigos! Roadrunner on L”Antichambre now

  28. habbernack says:

    Open the season with;

    The DD line
    Galley, Eller, Gio
    Bourque, Plec, Armstrong
    White, Prust, Moen

    Plec would still get his ice time on the PP and the PK

  29. Sportfan says:

    I”m happy we get to see Armstrong play a bit maybe he’ll have a break out season this year, or at least a better season that outshines all his seasons in toronto haha

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  30. Steven says:

    So, I might as well weigh in on the PK contract, as well.

    He hasn’t signed yet, but it’ll get done. PK wants to stay, Marc wants to keep him, it’s that simple. There’s no way this deal doesn’t get done. Just because it hasn’t been taken care of yet doesn’t mean it’s not gonna get done. Everyone freaked out in the same way when Price took his time(granted, this is taking longer) and there was similar uproar when Doughty took his time. That’s just the process, and it’ll get done. You don’t forfeit a franchise player.

    What will he get? Well, I’m of the thought that he’ll get a bridge contract. 2 years, 4 mill or so makes sense to me. I’ve seen some people on here being adamant about how he deserves the big contract because he was our best D-man, he had 2 great seasons, yadda yadda yadda. My thoughts on that are: Would he have been our best d-man the last 2 years had Markov been healthy? The answer is no, and as such he doesn’t deserve the 5 mill most are suggesting over longer term. And the other is, his two seasons were not nearly as spectacular as some say. Still good, but not superstar calibre.

    Plus, the team has cap issues. Let him take one for the team, then when there’s cap space, he’ll get his big contract. If he thinks he can pull it off, why should it matter that he signs a contract at a slightly lesser salary?

    • Loonie says:

      Low balling a potential franchise player who has proven himself to be your best defenseman may create a short term gain financially and a long term catastrophe later.

      • Steven says:

        Guaranteed, but I don’t think there’s any evidence that Subban’s been lowballed. It’s just as possible that Subban’s camp is asking for more than he’s worth.

        • Loonie says:

          I’m operating with the understanding that Kypreos is telling the truth when he says Subban and Meehan are after $5 million annually on a long term deal.

          I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

          • Steven says:

            Well, if that’s the case, then you have to figure that they’re disputing over very little, or perhaps term.

            5 for Subban isn’t ridiculous or unreasonable by any means, but you have to figure Bergevin is going for 3.5-4 at which point you have to figure the term is the issue.

            I wouldn’t say anyone’s being lowballed, though. Just both sides trying to get the best of it, disturbingly like the lockout.

      • crazyhabsfan says:

        Subban has the same numbers and Del Zotto… Who both have the same agent… How is Subbs worth double that of DZ? Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Habs fan in a world of Bruins/Leafs fans, trust me, I go to battle everyday, and it hasn’t stopped on FB since the season was announced…!

        • savethepuck says:

          Del Zotto doesn’t play close to 30 min/game, he doesn’t play the pk. Comparing just points is not justified here.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • crazyhabsfan says:

            But Del Zotto didn’t play on the 28th place team last year… TOI shouldn’t come in here either than… He contributed to a contender..

          • K-hab25 says:

            As was stated by crazyhabsfan, one did it with in the structure of a goood team and one didn’t.

          • otter649 says:

            Del Zotto is a 4th or 5th dman with The Rangers whereas Subban is number one with The Habs……

    • vegas says:

      according to spector

      whats the issue, lets do 8 years and close the books

      SPECTOR’S NOTE: It’s believed the Canadiens have offered Subban a three-year, $12 million contract, while Subban is reportedly seeking a five-year deal worth the same amount ($4 million) per season.

  31. NCRhabsfan says:

    In the category of “the more things change, the more they stay the same” the Habs traded a 6’3″ 210 lb dman (Nash) for a 5’11″ 185 lb dman that has been a negative +/- guy everywhere he has played (DeSantis). He’ll fit right in with Weber and Diaz.

    • Loonie says:

      In Hamilton you mean? :)

      Yeah to your point. I’m not seeing much difference between this group and the last group. Maybe just that this group is higher in volume.

      Hopefully the long term development is the hidden gem here because the near future planning has been weak in my opinion.

    • Price07 says:

      I had the exact same reaction when I heard the news. I’m not too worried because I don’t think any of these guys will be NHLers but I still don’t see why they would make such a trade.

    • crazyhabsfan says:

      Nash will never be a consistent NHL D man…

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Nash has certainly more potential in this deal but is sitting behind numerous Hamilton players at this point. This one is a win-win for Habs Mgmt – player gets an opportunity to move to a franchise where he may get a shot – Hamilton needs an experienced offensive Dman – Habs Mgmt telling all that they are a class organization that cares about the success of all players.

      thx

  32. habsnyc says:

    With only 13 healthy forwards at camp, Gallagher, Dumont and Galchenyuk all have a theoretical chance to make the team. While the focus is deservedly on Galchenyuk, are either of the other two rookies NHL caliber? My understading is that Plekanec will be ready to start the season but Nokelainen may not be. Still even if Plekanec is healthy and Galchenyuk makes the team, is either Gallagher or Dumont good enough to dislodge White or Armstrong from the fourth line?

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Loonie says:

      Dumont was very good with the Habs late last season and has been very good with the Bulldogs this year.

      I’m disappointed that Joonas Nattinen didn’t get an opportunity. I think he can be what Eller was last season.

      • K-hab25 says:

        I agree completely about Dumont, Nattinen, not so much.

        • Loonie says:

          Nattinen needs to work a lot of his game and it’s certainly been an adjustment for him so far. But I feel he has a near elite release on his shot and sees the ice better than most. Very creative puck distributor and shows the ability to maintain possession for long periods of time when there’s a need for it.

          Lots of work to be done but the future is bright there in my opinion.

          • K-hab25 says:

            I’ll take your word for it. I’ve heard he has the ability to play in the NHL, but is it there mentally, I guess we’ll see. I hope so, seems to be a nice kid.

      • 24moreCups says:

        Joonas Nattinen is injured at the moment.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      After the five games when Galchenyuk is sent down and Nokelainen is healthy the forwards will be:

      Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
      Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
      Moen-Eller-Prust
      White-Nokelainen-Armstrong

      Or a slightly different variation of those 12.

      • Loonie says:

        Huge assumption.

        I think you’re far more likely to see Armstrong or White as a 13th forward.

        Edit: Man oh man you’re scaring me. If those are the forwards lines I might watch more Antiques Road Show than RDS this year.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I hope so. I’d personally like to see Dumont center the 4th line. And I wouldn’t mind seeing Gallagher stick, somewhere. I have a feeling they’ll go with the safe bet and stick with experienced players.

          Who knows actually? :-)

          • Loonie says:

            That third line would be among the least skilled third lines in the history of hockey.

            If they go with something remotely close to that without having their hand forced I’ll go from pessimistic to catatonic.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            In my scenario, Bourque better improve and find his 27 goals again. I think we could be OK after that. With Gionta back and the top line clicking again.

            We all want Eller to have better line mates but heck, throw the puck at the net and let Prust and Moen crash in there like madmen.

          • Loonie says:

            I like your aggressive nature but sometimes I feel like it’s all brawn and less…..well you know.

            (no offense intended).

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’m just going with what we’ve got to work with here. We’ll have to hope the top two lines and the PP are in top form.

          • Loonie says:

            Less Galchenyuk and Dumont.

      • K-hab25 says:

        Galchenyuk’s not going anywhere. He’s here to stay!!!

        Pacioretty – DD- Cole
        Galchenyuk – Plekanec – Gionta
        Armstrong – Eller – Bourque
        Moen – Prust – White

      • Price07 says:

        Totally agree with Hobie. Galchenyuk will get his few games in buth ultimately the habs will send him down. I would say the lineup will looke just like what you wrote just that IF Colby Armstrong becomes the Armstrong of a few years ago he would probably be on the third line since he’s produced (in the past) more offensively then a guy like Moen.

  33. Phil C says:

    Out of the top 50 salaries for defensemen in the NHL, I only see 3 that went from entry level to long term contract without a bridge contract; Eril Karlsson, Drew Doughty, and Tyler Myers. The first won the Norris, the second was in the discussion for the Conn Smythe and held out all of training camp to get the contract (another Don Meehan client), and the third, his GM would probably take a do-over. (I checked the list quickly, so I may have missed some, here is the link. )

    If you want PK as long as possible in Montreal, the best way to do it is to sign him for two years now at a price comparable to other RFAs, then offer him a long contract in his last year as an RFA. That way, you buy as many UFA years as possible, which is even more important now that contracts are limited to eight years in length.

    It also makes sure that the team does not overpay for an RFA, because in a cap world, every time you over pay, you make your team less competitive.

    • Loonie says:

      If Dave Nonis, Peter Chiarelli, Paul Holmgren, Ray Shero, Garth Snow, Lou Lamiorello, Glen Sather, Dale Tallon, George McPhee, Steve Yzerman, Kevin Chevyldayoff, Jim Rutherford, Ken Holland, Doug Armstrong, Scott Howson, Dave Poile, Stan Bowman, Dean Lombardi, Doug Wilson, Don Maloney, Joe Nieuwendyk, Bob Murray, Steve Tambellini, Chuck Fletcher, Mike Gillis, Jay Feaster and Greg Sherman jumped off of a bridge would you do it too?

  34. crazyhabsfan says:

    Anyone else hoping Galchenyuk goes out on a limb and wears #81… At least then I just have to change the damn name on my Gomez jersey that I bought when he was signed… (and no I haven’t worn it since about game 50 in 09-10)

  35. commandant says:

    Impressive first day for Galchenyuk and the coach’s comments indicates that he agrees too. Its a great start for the kid.

    Still I think the tale of the tape on his 5 game contract will be told by his performance thursday night. If he shows he belongs then… he’s gotta play 5 games.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Bill J says:

      I agree, but certainly looks good so far. :)


      Go Habs Go!

    • Loonie says:

      On a team in dire need of offensive talent I’d be very surprised if he ends up back Sarnia.

    • NorthernHab says:

      He will be great on Thursday. I can’t imagine there will be much hard-core hitting of star players in that game. I imagine it will be about as defensive a game as the all-star game is… :)
      Should be fun to watch.

      Go Habs Go

    • Carta-Hab says:

      In all honestly, I think it is all but assured he will get a 5 game tryout. There really isn’t any harm in seeing him in real game situations to see how he reacts.

      What I am VERY interested in seeing, is how he adapts to the spectacle that is NHL hockey at the Bell Center. If he is on the opening night roster versus Toronto, the place is going to EXPLODE when his name is called. I can’t imagine what that would be like as an 18 year old playing your first pro game. Galchenyuk has the talent and drive to be a great NHL player. I think what it will come down to is his ability to adapt to the focus which will be placed on him in Montreal, especially after bad games. If he can do that, I believe we have found our future superstar center which will be a huge piece of the puzzle in terms of this team contending for the Stanley Cup.

      Mike Milbury, Don Cherry, and PJ Stock….The three stooges of HNIC.

  36. HardHabits says:

    On the news tonight there was report that Gomez could “contest” the Canadiens’ decision to send him home with pay. Imagine that. I was incensed at the thought.

    I know Chris wont agree with me on this, but I am all for the NHL adopting the NFL policy of being able to send a player home without pay at training camp if the team deems that he is not worth his contract. Players sign these huge contracts with the expectation that they will live up to the terms and not float or hide an injury. Too often a pro athlete gets a fat contract and that’s his ticket to not give a damn anymore and just listen to the sound of ka-ching. If a player is worth that money some other team would sign them, but time after time, the player is not worth the money. Gomez was not worth the money.

    When the deal was made I wanted to believe. I had faith in Gainey. It wasn’t to be. Even in the miraculous run his contribution was eclipsed by the play of Halak, Cammalleri, Gionta and Plekanec.

    I just want this whole Gomez debacle behind us as a Habs fan. IMO the players should also move on and stop defending Gomez. He sucked for 2 seasons in a row. Who cares how nice of a guy he is? He was phoning it in. He had a penchant for being a smug and smarmy purveyor of putrid and petulant platitudes.

    Gomez could have pulled that posturing PR crap if he was actually contributing. He wasn’t. Rather than shut up, be humble and accept the facts he came back with more eloquent lies about how he was going to be better next time around. Next time never came. His lack of production warranted his being cut. The cost of his contract a toxic asset nobody wants.

    Adios amigo.

    • Bill says:

      A “smug and smarmy purveyor of putrid and petulant platitudes” … nicely wrought.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • K-hab25 says:

      Guaranteed contracts, IMO, the worst thing to happen to professional sports. Another reason why the NFL thrives, underachievers get cut, not pampered like the other top 3 NA sports.

      • commandant says:

        Yeah its fantastic when a player gets hurt on the field and loses all his future pay cheques… .Just fantastic when we treat these guys like cattle.

        Go Habs Go!
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        • Loonie says:

          Yeah let’s ask Steve Foley about that. Former NFL linebacker shot by a policeman who was violating about 15 parts of his code of conduct. Foley never played another down of football.

        • K-hab25 says:

          I got terminated a week ago from my job after tearing my bicep in OCT. Company had a rule I couldn’t miss more than 3 months, surgery wasn’t approved till NOV. Recovery time, at least 3 months. I wasn’t making hundreds of thousands of dollars, let alone millions. Try the bleeding heart thing on someone that gives a s**t. These guys shouldn’t have security and BS pay. One or the other, the “worker” isn’t always the most important entity.

        • Price07 says:

          That type of risk is the same for anyone in the world. You could have an accident and no longer be able to work. There are certainly more dangerous jobs out there than being an athlete. Nobody should ever be guaranteed anything. And if the money IS guaranteed, then your spot on the team should at least not be guaranteed as well. At a certain point you have to be held accountable for your decisions (to accept the contract) and actions (to perform at an unacceptable level). Nobody would have sent him home if he had 59 points like in his first season with the habs. It still would have been low for someone getting paid so well but it would have been somewhat acceptable. But after the past two seasons…its become beyond ridiculous. Darche had more goals than him and is without a job right now. You think that’s fair?

      • Loonie says:

        Guaranteed pay would also prevent big companies from firing or sandbagging against employees who whistleblow for unethical or otherwise detrimental conduct in the workplace.

        Maybe the rest of the World would be better with guaranteed contracts or pay.

        • HardHabits says:

          It’s called socialism and is what unions want. No competition. No need to try to excel. No standards. No competence. Just seniority ruling the day. Guaranteed jobs for guaranteed pay. All you need to do is show up and punch a time clock.

          • Loonie says:

            People who went above and beyond would be showing a willingness to do so without the almighty dollar as motivation. Would certainly help us here at HIO identify who the “team” guys are.

          • K-hab25 says:

            Wow HH, sometimes you remind me why I used to respect your opinion so much.

          • Chris says:

            Isn’t it funny that some of the most socialist countries in the world are also among the most innovative? :)

            Tell the Swedes or the Swiss that they aren’t innovative. They’ll laugh their asses off at you.

            Innovation has little to do with capitalism. There are a host of ways you can promote innovation. Canada just happens to refuse to adopt any of them.

          • K-hab25 says:

            Chris, I agree completely with your point, it is not only about money, usually it’s about survival. Which is why the military, or military research gives us some of our best innovations.

          • Chris says:

            K-hab25: I’ve been involved in research for about 15 years. We spend a lot of time discussing innovation.

            Money can be a very big part of the puzzle, but Canadian companies refuse to spend very much on research & development. In most studies I’ve seen, Canadian companies are among the least likely in the industrialized world to hire Master’s or Ph.D. graduates, for example.

            Furthermore, the investment climate in Canada for start-up companies is absolutely abysmal. There is very little venture capital or seed money to be found, which is disgraceful given the amount of money we invested in research from the late 1990′s to the Great Recession.

            Finally, the universities and colleges do very little to train new science, technology and mathematics graduates in how to develop their own businesses. For example, any countries are pushing a new type of graduate school degree (the Professional Science Master’s in the U.S., for example) and it is really taking off. Except in Canada, where only UBC offers such a degree and only for one program.

            I’m sure people with other viewpoints can give additional information on other sides of innovation. But you need money, you need business and marketing training or exposure for your innovators and you need to encourage an entrepreneurial spirit. By and large, Canada fails on all fronts.

          • K-hab25 says:

            Your right Chris capital is paramount to invention, which is why I said military, here in the states, their budget is limitless.

      • Price07 says:

        I agree, I’m sorry but nothing in life is or should be guaranteed. Sorry, its just how it is. Also, when people say its not Gomez’s fault he was offered so much money..well he should have realized that every decision has consequences and this decision meant he could very well be sent down (or even home) if he didn’t produce anywhere near his expectations. I mean the guy is still an NHLer and if his salary was more reasonable or his point production was more reasonable (like in his first year with the habs) he would still be playing. But he is a victim of his own decision. No sympathy for that.

        • Chris says:

          Oh, I disagree. There are plenty of things that should be guaranteed, to the best of our ability. For example, I fully expect a guarantee of transparent elections, basic human rights and equal treatment regardless of race, religion or creed.

          The problem with contract guarantees is that they are a two-edged sword. NHL player contracts are guaranteed even if the player doesn’t perform, but NHL players also can not re-negotiate their contracts the way NFL players can. Is it fair that David Desharnais is coming into this season paid $850,000? Or how about Max Paciroetty earning $1,625,000?

          Some people seem to want it both ways: they want the players to have no security in case they have a bad season, but they also expect the players to honour their contracts when they play above and beyond expectations.

          That seems hypocritical to me. By and large, the NHL contract system works quite well. There really aren’t that many albatross contracts despite all the belly-aching from jaded fans.

          There are just as many ugly contracts kicking around the NFL as there are in the NHL. Michael Vick, Chris Johnson, Will Smith…some of the contracts are not very kind to their teams, but cutting the players out right is too much of a hit to the teams’ salary cap picture.

      • neumann103 says:

        Contracts are two way deals. I don’t understand people who suggest a contract where only one side has the right to opt out. That is indentured servitude.

        If you want to have a team right to cut a guy at whim then players should have the right to walk out and take a better offer any time too. I don’t hear any of the rich athlete haters promoting that. Although it would be funny because instead of spying on other teams, Bill Bellichek would just offer a guy from next week’s opponent a big contract. Do this each week, then cut the guy if you feel like it.

        Long term contracts offer both player and team security and certainty. There is a reason they can benefit both. Yes signing someone for too much or too long can have bad consequences, but even in deals for good players management can weigh the risks of how much too much or how much too long. Head scratchers like the Gomez contract or these historic back diving deals skew things. But even in deals for good players this calculus is at work. I like both Carey Price and Erik Cole but both of those deals are a bit more money (Price) or a bit more term (Cole) than I would have liked but the cost is essentially “we might have to live with one more 4th liner making league minimum.” Deals like Gomez or Redden speak to either stupidity or a belief that buyouts or AHL assignment could fix any errors for rich teams.

        Ideologically speaking I find the draft is the most offensive and anti-competitive thing about most pro sports – not guaranteed contracts.

        While I think it would be bad for fans I think the ideal market system would be no draft, no salary cap. and unrestricted free agency for everyone at the end of every season. People who want to retain all these owner favouring aspects while wanting players in thrall to whoever called their name at 18 are not really arguing for anything capitalist or fair.

        “Et le but!”

      • K-hab25 says:

        Wow, I really don’t know where to start with this socialist garbage. I think maybe I just won’t, being an American on a Canadian site has it’s drawbacks.

    • kholdstare says:

      I think Scott Gomez would have to prove another NHL team would want him. I agree he phoned it in and he would have this year as well.

    • Chris says:

      Ditch the draft, ditch restricted free agency and we’ll agree. :)

  37. Loonie says:

    I think Subban should take a one year, $1.5 million deal. I mean, it would be the best thing for the team and let’s face it. He’s a selfish, me first player who could show his teammates, the city and management that he isn’t all about himself(poking fun at Aaron Ward’s ridiculous comments on TSN That’s Hockey).

    He should do the right thing and take a very short term, low money contract so that everyone knows the Habs come first.

    Problem with that is that he’s a human. In his eyes, he and his family come first, just like nearly every other human being on this planet. He’s earned a lucrative second contract. Not based on potential, not based on what ifs, not based on precedent. Based on his play, development, his role on the team and his marketability as a player for this team.

    Anybody doubt for a second that he’s made the Habs their money back and then some on his first contract with merchandising sales alone? I don’t.

    He doesn’t owe this team anything short of two years more of NHL service. And if they want to treat him like an afterthought, he will walk when eligible.

    If on the other hand they see him for what he is, a valuable, core player who will pay his contract back in short order both on and off the ice and reward him based on that, maybe he’ll give the team a discount down the road.

    • HabFab says:

      What a frigging site! Guy can’t even get into a good scrap.

    • Habilis says:

      Totally agreed. This whole bridge deal nonsense is ridiculous. You can’t run a professional sports franchise with self-imposed rules as to how you negotiate. There are always exceptions.

      • Loonie says:

        Sure you can. You set a precedent for your highest paid player like the Wings did with Lidstrom and the owner and GM make it clear that NOBODY will make more money than that person. Hopefully Bergevin’s done that with Price, but I doubt it.

        • Habilis says:

          I was referring more to the practice of signing bridge deals. I keep hearing about how the Habs have NEVER signed a player to a long deal coming off their ELC. Who cares? They have never had PK Subban before either.

          What if Gally goes bonkers in the next 3 years and is scoring 40 goals a season? Will they stick to their guns there too?

          It’s not like they can point to the last 20 years and say “Look how successful we’ve been, we don’t want to change our stripes because everything is going so well”. We ain’t Detroit.

          All I’m saying is that PK is worth breaking the trend for, IMO. If the Habs are holding firm for a 2 year deal just because that’s what they usually do, then it’s a mistake.

          • Loonie says:

            I agree. I would say the same thing about any other player if they had the high volume of positive attributes that Subban brings.

      • K-hab25 says:

        It’s an intelligent way to use the rules to your advantage, not a “self imposed rule.”

        • Habilis says:

          If it’s something that you refuse to deviate from regardless of the situation, then it might as well be a rule. Hence the “self imposed” part.

          It’s intelligent most of the time, I will give you that. But there are always exceptions. PK is one.

          • K-hab25 says:

            That’s your opinion, not fact. He isn’t any more important than Price or Pacioretty. Let him fall in line, or trade his a** for someone who will.

      • Dulljerk says:

        Yes, there ARE always exceptions. Except he isn’t one of them. He makes stupid, ridiculous plays, consistently. Ya, a real all star.

        No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Someone posted earlier that the parties did not even talk today and Habfab posted that someone reported the sides are not closr. Why no sense of urgency? Our the Hab’s playing hardball with him? Makes no sense to me. And here I was staying up late Saturday anticipating his signing at any moment. Boy was I wrong.

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      • Loonie says:

        If Kypreos’ reporting that Meehan and PK want $5 million over long term is true, I have nothing good to say about this negotiation from Bergevin’s end.

      • Loonie says:

        If Kypreos’ reporting that Meehan and PK want $5 million over long term is true, I have nothing good to say about this negotiation from Bergevin’s end.

    • K-hab25 says:

      I disagree completely that he’s “earned a lucrative 2nd contract.” How? I mean seriously, how? The advantage teams have with RFA’s is control. Unless I missed something Subban is an RFA for like 3 more years. He hasn’t made any all-star teams, despite his popularity, yet that’s the only reason Price made any, was his popularity, right. He was a top 2 guy with Gorges, lol, on the 3rd worst team in the NHL. Subban is a good player, who may, one day, be a really good player, but earned a lucrative 2nd contract, he has not.

      • Loonie says:

        The team has the advantage does it? How’s that workin out for them right now two days into a 6 day training camp with a new head coach in place?

        How’s it going to work out for them without their BEST DEFENSEMAN in a shortened season?

        +9 player on a last place team by the way. 76 points in his FIRST 160 Nhl games. That would be good for a forward.

        • K-hab25 says:

          Well the team is undefeated, so it’s working great for them, how about +9, how’s it working out for him?

          • Loonie says:

            Quite well actually, because if the Habs aren’t willing to give him a long term deal, somebody else will. Unfortunately for the Habs that’s the nature of the business and a reason offer sheets are a tool of CB.

            Hopefully we don’t have to see what kind of team they are without Subban. You seem to be one of the few who think they might be better.

          • K-hab25 says:

            With the right trade we could be better, but no, we’re not a better team letting him sit home. That doesn’t mean you give him a dip s**t deal either.

    • Bill says:

      I can’t agree more. I don’t care about this “bridge contract” stuff. Subban practically fell into the Habs’ lap as a 2nd rounder. He’s played two seasons, and is already one of the best defensemen in the league, and becoming one of its bigger name players as well.

      Teams are dying to have these kinds of players on their squads. So when you have one already … you open the safe and do what you have to do to make a long-term deal.

      I’m one who thinks Subban’s second season was far better than his first. His offensive numbers didn’t go up, so it’s not obvious unless you watched all the games that he really grew last year. He was so much better defensively it was ridiculous. He was all over the ice, led the team in TOI, and was a force and a presence.

      If I’m Bergevin, I offer long term for a better rate on some of Subban’s UFA years. Under the new CBA and salary cap I’d say eight years and 36 million dollars is about right.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think 1.5 is far too high for a showboating egomaniac like PK. If he really cared about the team, he would sign an 8 yr deal for a million per.

  38. HabFab says:

    nhlupdate – As for the RFA statuses, Subban/Benn aren’t really close, O’Reilly and Avs talking but not really close, Panthers and Kulikov progressing

    So we aren’t the only ones in this position.

  39. Loonie says:

    I’m more skeptical than most about Therrien. But his comments about Eller have me pleased. If he’s going to give him better ice time(more PP, more even strength) than I expect him to take that next step Therrien’s looking for. Without the opportunity his words ring hollow.

  40. durocher says:

    Apologies if this has been posted already:

    The Canadiens have acquired defenseman Jason DeSantis from the Florida Panthers, in return for defenseman Brendon Nash.

  41. B says:

    I believe that if Subban signs a reasonable 2 year bridge deal now and then plays solid again this season, they would try to sign him to a long extension this summer.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  42. jols101 says:

    TSN doing their top 50. I wonder if any Habs are going to make the list?

  43. jedimyrmidon says:

    Many argue that PK should sign a short term deal so as to fit the team’s previous pattern (e.g. Pacioretty, Price), and ‘buy’ into the team structure.

    I think that Subban has the personality and confidence to go out and show why he may ‘deserve’ to have a contract that alters that trend.

    That doesn’t mean that I think he should have the freedom to act however he wants to or do whatever he wants to on or off the ice. I just think he could live up to a long term contract.

    • Habilis says:

      I agree. If ever there was a reason to break the trend (of signing bridge contracts), it’s PK. He has all the elements to be the face of this franchise for the next decade. Stud defencemen like him simply don’t hit the free agent market, and if they do, it’s an all out bidding war.

      If they lock him up to say 6 years at 5 mil, it will be a bargain in 3 or 4 years. In the last 2 years it will be an outright theft.

      • K-hab25 says:

        Price already is the face of the franchise and Galchenyuk could pass Subban for #2 in a couple of years, if Pacioretty already hasn’t.

        • Habilis says:

          Price is an amazing goalie and Max is our best forward but neither of them have the marketability that Subban does. Galchenyuk is still a few years off. Subban is brash, outspoken and has a sense of humour. He’s got a million dollar grin and he cheered for the Habs while growing up in Toronto. The kid is a marketer’s dream.

          I realize that those things don’t count when making hockey decisions but he happens to our best defenseman as well.

          • K-hab25 says:

            If you honestly believe “brash and out spoken ” is more marketable than pretty boy, small town, humble Price, than you don’t understand marketing. Maybe the highschool, college aged rebellious types love Subban, but the majority prefer Price. Them’s the facts Pilgrim.

          • Habilis says:

            Yeah you’re right, nobody wants to buy an outspoken player’s jersey. I guess that’s why you never saw any 33′s in the crowd when Roy played here.

          • K-hab25 says:

            Roy is the reason alot of us are Habs fans and it has ZERO to do with him being brash and outspoken, try again pilgrim.

          • Habilis says:

            The team marketed him as the face of the franchise and he was a brash and outspoken individual, thus defeating your original point that a nice guy is easier to market.

            It’s truly amazing that you can speak for all those fans though. I would continue this dialogue, but I am unable to see into the minds of millions like you are.

            Cheers.

          • HNS says:

            Amazingly bad.

          • K-hab25 says:

            Roy became what he is becauase of his cup wins and MVP’s, not his A-hole persona. Again try again pilgrim!!

    • Dulljerk says:

      P.K. Subban should sign a 2 year deal. He’s done nothing to deserve anything else. Period.

      No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  44. Shadows says:

    5 days left!

    Only a few things I’d like to see, Subban signed and Galchenyuk playing on the second line.

    That’s it that’s all.

    Go Habs Go!

  45. 24 Cups says:

    Question – Are Mark Fistric and Jim Vandermeer better than Bouillon?

    Assuming we kept Diaz and Bouillon, would Fistric or Vandermeer be better than Weber?

    Keeping in mind how posters on this site pretty well overrate all Hab players and prospects, what do you think the team could honestly get for Weber? Or, if more to your liking, Diaz?

    • durocher says:

      We badly need an upgrade over Weber, Diaz and Kaberle. I appreciate that Kaberle is lighter on his skates, but the question with him is not his size or weight, but his will and determination. In a Habs sweater, he has seemed disinterested. I personally would play St-Denis over Weber, Diaz, and Kaberle.

    • punkster says:

      Firstic and Vandermeer strike me as unspectacular…but younger than Cube, so I’d say they “could” be better. However, given your set of choices there I’d stick with Diaz and Weber for now and see how things work out with them, plus Cube, for this season.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Loonie says:

      Puck movers no. Better suited to be valuable to this team? Very likely.

      But don’t ever question anything Bergevin does Steve. You’ll get labelled as a hater in a hurry I’ll tell you that.

    • vegas says:

      neither would have been useful
      is it so hard to see that we need a big crunching right defensemen
      a right handed Fistric would have done
      enough of this picking up guys to make them play on their off wing .

      Boullion was a useless pick-up

      we have more than we need on the left side with
      Markov, Gorges, Emelin and Kaberle
      if 2 go down St enis could have filled
      plus our 2 top D prospects play the left side, Tinordi and Beaulieu

      Kaberle is perfectly fine where he is, 3rd paring D, second powerplay unit and potential of 40 points plus, what else do you want. He is what he is and will never change, it’s not his fault we haven’t found the right partner to play with him. Boullion is definately not the answer

  46. Boomer says:

    anyone else excited for the CHL prospects game on Wed.?

  47. L Elle says:

    I haven’t been this excited about a young player since Price. I believe Gally is staying with the team unless he makes really huge errors, or can’t deal with the pressure. It’s his job to lose, methinks.

    His presence has made me forget all about PK. ;)

    Also Ed I agree with you, Price is the hardest to replace on our team.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Price is a great athlete. He is absolutely unique and a huge “draw” for the team – in other words – fans that go to the game and are excited about seeing Price in the nets.

      The “draw” goes back to that discussion here that the players are the “product”, and without the special players the NHL would not be able to demand and receive the huge ticket prices.

      Subban is a huge “draw” for the Habs – huge!!

      The “draw” is where all the money is for the owners.

      • The Cat says:

        I think thats a goalie perk to be the draw, like a pitcher in baseball, a qb in football. Above average play at those positions makes you a draw. But you need to be really special/charismatic at the other positions to be a draw with the fans.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          I would say star forwards are bigger draws since they lead the offense.

        • K-hab25 says:

          I agree 100% Cat!! It’s even harder to become a “draw” as a defensive player aswell. I like Subban like you like the Habs, which is to say, I like him, but probably not as much as everyone else. I personally thought McDonaugh was the better prospect and still do. I finally understand how it was for you regarding Price. Everyone telling you how great he is and will be, but you just didn’t see it, I feel that way about Subban.

    • Habilis says:

      I really hope he stays. I could actually see the Habs doing some damage this year if he’s playing top 6 minutes. It seems like sending him back to junior would be a waste of time.

      Unlike you however, his presence has only made me miss PK more. The Habs need all hands on deck if they’re going to have a shot this year.

      • L Elle says:

        Good points guys.

        I was semi-serious about PK. Of course I’d like to see him on the ice with everyone else.

        After 20 years of mediocrity culminating with the Mother of all sucky seasons, then the lockout (y’all know what I mean), I wish he would just sign a bridge contract and get on with it. The $ amount, even high, doesn’t bother me at all. If he establishes himself, he can have the huge contract then.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Evening L. It sure looks like the kid is going to stick and I think beyond the 5 games allowed. I agree with both you and Ed as well. Problem is, I know, I’m a worry wart, the margin of error/talent us so thin, playing without PK essentially forces players to consume more ice time them their talents warrant. If MB doesn’t find a resolution to the PK negotiations our season is in danger of blowing up fast.

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    • Chris says:

      While I rarely disagree with Ed, this is one of those times.

      Goalies in today’s NHL are rarely, if ever, the hardest to replace. They just don’t really make that big a difference (with the notable exception of Jonathan Quick last season).

      Martin Brodeur, in his prime, goes down and Scott Clemmensen posted almost identical numbers.

      Carey Price went down, and Jaroslav Halak stepped in. Halak then went to St. Louis, and couldn’t beat out Brian Elliott for the #1 job.

      Roberto Luongo, the goalie for Canada’s gold-medal team in Vancouver, is in a dog-fight for playing time with Cory Schneider, and he’s losing.

      Where would Montreal have finished without Carey Price last season? I don’t know, but they were pretty freaking awful with him (not his fault).

      How many fewer points would they have using Michael Neuvirth (who Washington could be convinced to part with)? Or Jonathan Bernier, who is dying to get out from behind Quick? Or Josh Harding, who is going to get a solid push from Matt Hackett in Minnesota? Or Jhonas Enroth in Buffalo?

      I’m guessing there would be a drop-off, as Price is pretty clearly better than all those guys. I’ve been assured that Price is not responsible for shoddy numbers because of the team in front of him (and I actually support that to an extent). So if you put Price or Theodore in net, it really doesn’t probably make that much a difference…the defence still gives up too many unstoppable scoring chances.

      The drop-off between Subban and the types of defencemen the Habs could reasonably be expected to find is much, much bigger at a position that I believe plays a bigger role in the team’s future success. Take Subban out of the equation and there are even more unstoppable scoring chances, making the goalie look even worse.

      Put a good goalie behind a strong team and they look elite (Halak and Elliott). Put a good goalie behind a weak team and they look like chumps (Cam Ward).

      Goalies can only do so much, and I think there are significantly more guys capable of being #1 goalies than there are jobs.

      • L Elle says:

        I agree with the main gist of what you are saying. But, everyone knows I believe Price to be unique. On a disgusting team that finished last, he finished 12th. Imagine on a good team, not even a great one, what he could do?

        Last season, our team was not blown out, not even once, He wasn’t pulled out of any games. He managed to be 1st star in the NHL twice with this team.

        Please ask Philadelphia or Toronto what not having a Carey Price on your team does.

        But again, I am biased. I’d rather watch a great save than a great goal.

        • Chris says:

          What did Price finish 12th in?

          He was 21st in wins, 18th in GAA, 20th in SV% and tied for 14th in shutouts.

          I like Price, but I’m still a little confused as to what he has done to justify the comment that Philadelphia or Toronto should ask what not having Carey Price on your team does.

          Bryzgalov wigged out last year. But he’d been great on bad teams in 3 of the previous 4 seasons. Essentially, he’s not much different than Price who wigged out in 2009-10 and has been otherwise solid. With no television distraction for Bryzgalov this season, I think he is poised for a very big bounce-back season because of how good the team in front of him is.

          The Leafs are one of the few teams whose defensive system was even more disastrous than Montreal’s. Reimer is not as good as Price, but Price would have struggled to do much better than Reimer with that roster in front of him.

          • L Elle says:

            12th out of 30 overall. Combined stats. Or top 15; Sorry no links.

            Chris, if you don’t think Price is great, there is no amount of stuff/stats/proof I can write that will convince you.

            Bryz is a joke. I would not be surprised if he’s bought out if he doesn’t redeem himself this season.

            All the horrible goals Reimer and Monster let in, killed that teams’ morale. Again, no links, sorry.

            Luongo is an excellent goaltender. The fans and Luongo have fallen out of love, it’s that simple.

            Every complaint you have about Price is when he was a kid just starting out, by the way, he’s still a kid.

            Why so much obsession with Price, when it should be the least of all our worries as Hab fans?

          • K-hab25 says:

            I agree Elle, Chris is top 5, IMO, for posters on HIO, but I’ve always disagreed with the way he devalues goalies and overrates defenseman. We made the ECF a few years ago with Hammer, Spacek, Gorges and Gill as our top 4. There are just as many instances of average defenseman playing well as a unit, as there is average goalies. It’s just easier to notice 1 guy over 4. Most defenseman are interchangeable, just like goalies. This myth that defenseman are so important is ridiculous. Team defense is what’s important, not just individual talent. Montreal’s team D sucked, with PK I might add, they lacked cohesion. Play well as a team, like STL, and everyone looks better than they really are. The sum is greater than the parts, period.

          • Chris says:

            People always think I’m down on Price, which I am not. In my goalie rankings, Lundqvist is #1 by a significant margin, Quick is #2 based on how stupidly well he played last season, and Price is battling with Rinne, Luongo and Kiprusoff (although he’s due to fade now) for #3. I’ve always found it funny that people think I dislike a guy that I rank that highly.

            Instead, I just don’t think many goalies are “great” in today’s NHL, because the gap between the elite and the journeymen has become miniscule.

            In the 1980′s most goalies were not all that good. But the popularity of Patrick Roy changed the perception of the position in a big way. By the time you got to the 1990′s, the NHL was seeing bigger, more athletic players starting gravitating towards the net, as it had become more a marquee position as opposed to the quirky position it had long been viewed as.

            With this influx of extremely talented athletes to a position that had not seen many, the gap between the best and the worst narrowed. Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Ed Belfour and Martin Brodeur were the “elite” goalies of the 1990′s, but the step down from those guys to the next groups, which included the likes of Olaf Kolzig, Mike Vernon, Chris Osgood, John Vanbiesbrouck, Kirk McLean, Sean Burke and others was not nearly as big as the step down from Patrick Roy and just about everybody else in the 1980′s.

            That trend has continued. Goalies have become increasingly interchangeable. In the 1980′s, there were a small number of goalies that were perceived as “clutch”: Grant Fuhr, Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall, Andy Moog and Mike Vernon were pretty much the pool you would expect to draw from for the Stanley Cup finalists each and every year.

            Can we say the same today? Here are the goaltenders who have been in the last 10 years of Stanley Cup finals:

            Marc-Andre Fleury (twice), Martin Brodeur (twice), Chris Osgood (twice), Jean-Sebastien Giguere (twice), Dominik Hasek, Arturs Irbe, Nikolai Khabibulin, Miikka Kiprusoff, Cam Ward, Dwayne Roloson, Ray Emery, Antti Niemi, Brian Boucher/Michael Leighton, Tim Thomas, Roberto Luongo, and Jonathan Quick.

            Parity has obviously struck the NHL hard, but we’ve seen just as many hot goaltending runs (Giguere, Irbe, Ward) from relative unknowns (at least at the time they went on their run) as from established “star” goalies.

            I don’t disagree with K-hab25 that team defence is ultimately what decides the fate of a team. This is exactly why I downplay goalies as a whole. It has nothing to do with Price, who I think is a very good goalie.

            But how many other positions can you see a player be top-5 and still see their team languish near the bottom?

            An elite centre will help his team control the puck for 20-25 minutes while on the ice. An elite defenceman helps his team in both the offensive and defensive ends, especially important because you give up goals when you end up pinned in your own end.

            At the end of the day, swap Carey Price for Jaroslav Halak (who I would put top 15) and what is the net change for Montreal? Negligible. Swap Price for Martin Brodeur, who I think is a top 20 goalie at this point in his career? Negligible change in the standings.

            The era of the superstar goalie is pretty much over. The only goalie that consistently “stole” points last season was Jonathan Quick (Quick had three 1-0 shutout wins, three 2-0 shutout wins, five 2-1 overtime losses and three 3-2 overtime losses: there have not been many season performances in recent memory when a goaltender helped his team bank 20 points in games where his team scored 2 goals or less). Pretty much every other guy wins the games they should (when their team scores 3 or more) and loses the games they should (when their teams scores 2 or less).

            k-Habs25: I don’t disagree that a solid team defence can help a team go on a run such as when Montreal knocked off Washington and Pittsburgh. But one run doesn’t make an elite player. Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara, Nicklas Lidstrom, Chris Pronger….those guys were good EVERY year, and their teams were strong defensively every year because of them.

            Other teams pop into the mix and then disappear. But teams with established elite defenceman are usually competitive every year because they have guys that can eat 24-28 minutes, meaning they don’t have to play their third pairing guys many minutes at all. Those guys change the way their opponents plan for games. Montreal’s defencemen did not, and we saw that they returned to Earth the following season.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Chris, you present an excellent case.

        I have tried to explain today that Subban is essential to this team, this year and going forward for the next 10+ seasons.

        I have tried to explain that signing Subban LONG is the way to go – because he has already shown just how talented and valuable he is.

        I can accept your position that goalies are easier to replace.

        • Chris says:

          I’m wary of what Subban is asking for with only two years under his belt, but I agree that he should be locked up long-term. The kid is a stud defenceman.

          I’m not quite convinced he is in the top-10, but he’s certainly headed there in a hurry.

          • vegas says:

            I think Spector is a reputable reporter, according to him
            SPECTOR’S NOTE: It’s believed the Canadiens have offered Subban a three-year, $12 million contract, while Subban is reportedly seeking a five-year deal worth the same amount ($4 million) per season.

            if this is the case, what are we waiting for. Heck sign him for 8 years, it would be a steal, I don’t think you can sign for less, Gorges makes 3.9 for 6 years

            http://spectorshockey.net/blog/updates-on-luongo-subban-and-del-zotto/

    • The Cat says:

      At one time, goalies were hard to replace, not anymore though.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  48. ed lopaz says:

    26 NHL defencemen with a cap hit of $5 million or more.

    Is Subban one of the top 26 defencemen in the league?

    • New says:

      That is way to reasonable an argument to stand uncontested. But it won’t be by me. Good one.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      One thing you are not factoring in is that Subban can legally only play for the Canadiens.

      Essentially there is only one potential buyer for Subban’s services, and this lowers the price of those services. Econ 101.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Habilis says:

      Some of the names in that 26:

      James Wisniewski, Brian Campbell, Dion Phaneuf, Mike Green, Andrei Markov, Sergei Gonchar, Jason Garrison, Mattias Ohlund, Dennis Wideman, Jay Bouwmeester, Wade Redden (ha!).

      I would take Subban before all of them, but that’s just me.

    • NorthernHab says:

      How many of the 26 Defencemen are on contracts as restricted free agents or have less # years of experience?
      I like PK an awful lot. I hope they are offering him at least 2.75 to 3 million for his second contract. That’s 500k/yr better than Price’s 2 year deal… if I remember correctly???
      Go Habs Go

    • The Cat says:

      I think so. Very complete player. Habs should open the vault IMO I dont see a better chance at a franchise player than PK.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Chris says:

      Only 3 of them are 25 or younger. Most of them landed those deals as UFA’s.

      And of those young guys, many could be argued to be mistakes. Just because other teams are signing bad contracts doesn’t mean Montreal should start.

  49. Captain aHab says:

    So poor Gomer won’t have a chance to show his vast talents this year…boo, hoo, hoo. Where was he the previous years when he had ample opportunity to showcase his vast ability and – you know – actually earn his contract ?

    Quite frankly, he wants out of the Habs contract, he can retire for all I care and go and play for the Juneau Baked Alaskas.

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  50. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos!

  51. HABitual Fan says:

    Gotta say, I’m a little uneasy about the fact that PK has been focusing on his post-hockey career during the lockout while a good number of nhl players have been playing the game at a high level. Now he’s missing training camp and I’m fearful he’s going to be flatfooted coming into a season where every game…every play … is important!

    “…but it’s still better than cheering for the Leafs!”

    • jols101 says:

      So the NHLPA wanted amnesty buyouts right away and it was the owners that “won” this issue and pushed them back to this summer and next summer. If only the NHLPA got their way on this issue this mess could have been avoided. Bettman should suck it up and admit he made a mistake and let 1 buyout now and 1 in the summer.

      • Dust says:

        They didn’t want amnesty buyouts this year because teams would buy out players (gomez) then take that savings and spend it on another player to go up to the cap at 70 mil. Then next year they are still screwed when the cap lowers to 64mil. The point of these amnesty buyouts is to aid teams in cutting salary to become cap compliant. Bettman did not make a mistake.

    • Habilis says:

      Thanks for the link.

      I wonder what Glen Sather thinks about all of this? He’s basically responsible for these 2 guys being in this situation. It’s pretty crazy to think that if he had signed them to normal contracts, they would both probably be out of the league or playing in the AHL without any fanfare whatsoever.

  52. Danno says:

    Any update on the PK negotiations?

    Edit – It’s OK. I see from comments below there were no discussions today.

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  53. Puck Bard says:

    Watching that Gally video just made me so glad hockey is back. All is forgiven? No… But it’s nice to see Les Boys in action again.

  54. jols101 says:

    Anyone know if Wade Redden is at the Ranger’s camp or did they do the same thing to him.

    Only resolutions to this “loophole” are:
    1 – to let amnesty buy outs happen right now instead of the summer.

    2 – change the wording in the CBA which stops teams from buying out injured players.

    • B says:

      Not yet. Apparently they have given him permission to talk to other teams to see if he can arrange a trade. If nothing pans out then they may “Gomezicize” him.

      Edit: My mistake. As per the link posted above, Cowan reports that Redden was Gomezicized (or Gomez was Reddenized)…which ever… they were both told on Sunday to stay home.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • commandant says:

        PA wouldn’t want Amnesty buyouts to start today… Gomez gets his full salary this season and 66% next year. Same with Redden. Why would they want to allow him less money today.

        It would need to be Amnesty buyouts today at 100% of salary for 2013 (prorated 48/82 games obviously) and 66% for future years.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      They did the same thing but did it a few days before camp opened.

      Edit:But as noted above they did give him permision to seek trade which no one in their right mind would do. I’m sure the Habs would love to for another team to pay his salary for them. Not happening.

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    • HabFab says:

      Heard that they were planning or have put him on waivers first and then he was going home like Gomez if no takers.

  55. Ron says:

    Lavoie: NHLPA in contact with NHL reviewing decision by Canadiens to ask Gomez to stay home

    • Danno says:

      On what grounds?

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    • Ron says:

      I would presume for not putting him on wavers and then sending down to Hamilton to play hockey or try to. The league has been in contact with the Habs all the way through the process and had not voiced any thing against so they must have ok’d it. I would believe the NHLPA is saying he is a hockey player signed to play but now the Habs are denying him the ability to play anywhere.

    • HabFab says:

      RenLavoieRDS – Bill Daly confirmed that NHL was in constant communication with the Habs, both leading up to and following the decision to send Gomez home.

  56. Hobie Hansen says:

    Dave Stubbs about to go on the air with the Bobcat on Fan 590 AM in Toronto….

  57. HabFab says:

    Week in review for the Bulldogs. Also an update on their injuries and waiver situation;
    http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=2973

  58. rhino514 says:

    This is just guesswork, but this is a forum, so….
    Young players like PK know the club´s policy, and indeed the policy of the majority of teams in the NHL. Two year contract, then you get to make the big money. The pressure to sign that contract is intense; the league, the players, the teamates, the coaches; everyone is expecting you to sign. No one really believes you would rather stay home for a year and not get paid, rather than be playing the game you love with teamates, and staying at five star hotels on the road to boot.
    It´s not like a player of 27 or 30 or 35, who may have ulterior motives for not signing; family issues, wanting to go to a sunny place, having personal problem with someone in the organization, etc…
    so at that young age, what could be the ONE counter pressure big enough to have the kid resisting the contract he is being offered. What is big enough to sway a young kid that much, whose opinion is influential enough to be heeded over twhat the rest of the universe is pushing him to do?
    Only one force could be that strong….His parents
    For whatever reason, the parents could have a problem with Montreal, and they just may be ignorant enough to not fully realize the risk they making their son take by holding out.
    We have no way of knowing if that´s what´s going on. But if I had to guess wether they are not being a positive influence in this process; That´s what I would guess NO.

  59. HabFab says:

    RenLavoieRDS – No discussion today between the Canadiens and PK Subban agent, Don Meehan.

  60. ed lopaz says:

    it would be great if we could create and SAVE a list of all the regular posters who don’t think Subban is worth the money.

    each one of them will be leading the Subban bandwagon in a couple of months from now, and none of them will be held accountable.

    Price stands alone as the Hab who is most difficult to replace.

    Subban is a close second.

    • HabFab says:

      Or Price, or Cole or DD. Around here Ed that would be a long list…
      How is Duclair doing lately, I haven’t checked?

      • ed lopaz says:

        Duclair is getting back to where he was. Slipping back into the 1st round, I’m afraid, and that’s not a good thing for Habs fans.

        now ranked 26th in 1st round by Craig button, Jan 7th list.

    • habsnyc says:

      Before I choose sides, how much money are you saying Subban is worth? Besides, it is rare that a multiyear contract proves to be a mistake in the first season. It is the back end of the contract that concerns most people. Year one of the Gomez contract was fine. Year one of the Cole contract was fine. But, I said at the time and I will reiterate, I don’t think Cole will provide $4.5 million of value to Montreal in year four of his contract. Subban will most definately be worth whatever he is paid this season. But I reserve the right to say that he does not yet merit a five year contract.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        year 4, as in the year after he retires from hockey (if TSN is accurate on that one)

        • habsnyc says:

          If he retires then I would consider it a small win for Montreal. The only reason he chose Montreal over Carolina was that Montreal offered a fourth year at $4.5million. He came here for the money and he may retire because of the money. But, I do not like the idea of paying a 37 year old forward $4.5million. I have never been a fan of long term contracts for players over age 30.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • twilighthours says:

      I disagree, Ed. Subban is the most difficult to replace.

  61. habsnyc says:

    Several sites have mentioned the likelyhood of an NHLPA claim against Montreal on behalf of Gomez. Forcing a player to sit for non disciplinary reasons without waiving them violates the spirit of their contract. Not playing damages the chances of resuming their career post the buyout.

    There is a pretty simple solution. In return for the NHLPA allowing an unconditional buyout of Redden and Gomez next season, the NHL should allow the Rangers and Canadiens to lend the players to any league that wants them. Redden and Gomez should be allowed to play abroad with their salary going to their home clubs and their buyouts not being conditional on passing a physical.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Sounds like a reasonable solution. Hard to believe though that Fehr and company got caught with their pants down though, isn’t it?

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  62. SmartDog says:

    Re. the Gomez thing. Here’s why I think Farber is wrong and nothing will change. There’s nothing saying the Habs can’t put him in the press box for 48+ games – so that’s an alternative. If the PA and Gomer want to file a grievance it would be ridiculous. Gomer gets paid. That’s the Habs responsibility. They have NO obligation to play him.

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  63. geo_habsgo says:

    So happy about Armstrong. Hope his play impresses me as much as his attitude has. Positivity rubs off and it is nice to see such positivity after all the negative feelings of last season! I’m getting so pumped.

    Also love that he said that Gally looks like a 12 year old, lol.

    • Blondie says:

      No big deal – put him on waivers. Nobody’s going to pick him up and if they do, great!

    • Habilis says:

      If the PA files a grievance and wins, that means Gomez would have to be put on waivers. We all know that he’d clear. Then he would get sent down to Hamilton, where he’d have to report to get paid.

      The end result is that he’d have to spend his time in the Hamilton pressbox instead of at home. Either way he’s not going to play hockey.

      I seriously doubt that Gomez would want that.

      • commandant says:

        I think the Grievance would ask for him to be paid and released, as you can’t force a team to keep a player they want to cut.

        I think the PA here is just trying to make Gomez a UFA as soon as possible (while still collecting his pay), and let him move on.

        I dont think it will work. I just think that is the remedy they will ask the arbitrator to consider.

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        • Phil C says:

          If they give him the rest of his salary for this year, then buy him out in the summer and make him a UFA right away, why don’t you think it would work? Sounds like this would be in everyone’s best interest. Good for the player, good for the league, good for the fans, and would be neutral to the Habs.

          • commandant says:

            I think that is what the PA will ask for. I’m not sure the league will agree to it. I’m sure the Habs would… but will the NHL?

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  64. durocher says:

    Looks like White is putting the moves on some reporter in the back!

  65. Haberoooo13 says:

    Le Canadien a annoncé l’acquisition du défenseur Jason DeSantis des Panthers de la Floride, en retour du défenseur Brendon Nash.

    Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

  66. jols101 says:

    Funny how many couch potato GM’s and Coaches were ripping Galchenyuk’s skating ability but when you listen to the actual coach and players speak about Gally they all talk about his great skating ability as well as his hands, vision and shot. He really has it all. That doesn’t mean he will make the Habs this year, there is still a huge difference in speed and intensity in a game then in training camp. We will have to wait and see if he can elevate his play another notch or two when the games start. I think he will but if not there is no harm in returning to the OHL. If he isn’t ready this season he will be next year, no questions asked.

    • K-hab25 says:

      Ya I was getting really irritated with that BS. I watched all of his WJC games and was really impressed with his skating. He reminds me of Malkin, he never seems to be going that fast, yet he seems to always get to the puck first, or seperate from the opposing player. People are going to always knit pic, Price’s glove hand anyone, but this kid has all the physical tools to be really good.

  67. JayK-47 says:

    I’m in no rush to see Subban signed. I’d like to see the team play 10 games without him and see where the greatest need is at that point, forward or defense.

    “Quoting yourself looks dumb” – Jay

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Jay, you’re killing me bud. If we play 10 games without PK I think our season will be over and I”ll be on the Tank Brigade part 2. :)

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      • K-hab25 says:

        No one player is that important, well maybe Price, but even then with the right defensive system we could still succeed. Just look at STL. :-)

      • JayK-47 says:

        With Subban out, I think Markov and Emelin become a decent first pairing with Diaz and Kaberle getting some chance to succeed with defensive partners on the back end. All that gives the Habs, I think, some time and space to evaluate where to take this team fairly.

        “Quoting yourself looks dumb” – Jay

  68. CCL says:

    I hope Therrien does good and the team like wise. as for management. no problem there.
    I also hope they keep Galchenyuk on board. and go from there. we need the scoring and I think he can contribute.
    all the best to the HABS. hope they make the playoffs.

  69. Habfun says:

    I hope they get PK signed soon, it’s making me nervous

    It\\\’s all about the CH

  70. Phil C says:

    Sounds like Galchenyuk is going to stick. I can’t blame the Habs, given how much they have struggled with secondary scoring in the last few years.

    I haven’t heard much about Tinordi. Does anyone have any insight on how he is doing?

  71. Blondie says:

    I like Armstrongs attitude, hope he gets a chance to smack some leafs around on Saturday. :)

  72. Habilis says:

    Man I hope not. After Kane’s antics during the lockout, I would not want him on my team.

  73. Ian Cobb says:

    Habsolutely he would look good in that jersey! But he looks one hell of a lot better in the red, white and blue my friend.

  74. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    Kane can’t stay out of the media for all the wrong reasons here in Winnipeg – can you imagine what it would be like in Montreal? He’s not a team guy, and basically won’t let anyone tell him what to do. Tons of talent, but doesn’t bring it every night. Could be a 40+ scorer on a yearly basis if he really wanted to be, and maybe even close to 50 with the right linemates, but the attitude would always be a problem. For those who think PK is a problem, it would be magnified several times with Kane.

  75. Everybody looks good in a Jets jersey. That’s a fine-looking jersey.

  76. bleedhabs81 says:

    Unless your pool has a lot of people and lots of draft rounds, you will be wasting your pick.

    I doubt Gally will put up enough fantasy points this year to even be considered. Hope I am wrong

  77. shiram says:

    Bah Jets have a bad jersey.

  78. commandant says:

    I might draft him and keep him on the bench because I’m in a keeper league.

    Go Habs Go!
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  79. commandant says:

    I’ve been using a bench slot on Tuukka Rask for two years waiting for him to become a starter (and before that I used a bench spot on Carey Price for a full year when he backed up Huet). So I’ve got my free “prospect” bench spot open. Not an official spot, just the way I use one of my 3 available bench positions.

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  80. Timo says:

    One is Jessica, who is the other?
    Also, all was good until Hickey’s ugly mug showed up.

  81. HabFab says:

    One of the Sports Radio stations has a new female reporter…maybe her?

    Not Amanda or Andie, the first cuties to show.

  82. Timo says:

    They have good solid hiring practices.

  83. Loonie says:

    Read the comment again if you’d like clarity. First two paragraphs are complete sarcasm and I indicated as much when I said I was poking fun at Aaron Ward.

  84. Bill J says:

    I lol’d

    First when I read the post suggesting Subban get 1.5
    Then again when I read your reply.


    Go Habs Go!

  85. kholdstare says:

    Im not sure what was nicely done, his disjointed first post with the sarcasm intro, or his condescending reply.

  86. Loonie says:

    Who are you replying to? I’m too wrecked to figure it out. :)

  87. Bill J says:

    LOL (third time) yeah I misread your post too, thus the edit. ;)


    Go Habs Go!

  88. Loonie says:

    There was nothing condescending about it. Just pointing out what I thought to be obvious.

  89. Loonie says:

    Hey no worries man.

  90. Price07 says:

    lol I was about to bash Loonie too until I read the replies haha

  91. kholdstare says:

    Okay I was just pointing out what I thought was condescending. It doesn’t seem very obvious if more than one person was completely thrown for a loop is all.

  92. Blondie says:

    There’s not many of us but I’m with ya! Very much looking forward to it, I think he’ll have an extra glint in his eye and spring in his step.

  93. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …keep this between You and I, but I’m looking forward to an ol’ fashion bench-clearing brawl :)

    …and, hope Burke is watching

    …do Y’all remember ?: ‘ “No more Mr. Nice Guys – the blue and white are about to get a little more black and blue.

    Brian Burke, after being introduced as the 13th general manager of the Maple Leafs, promised that his team – and it is very much that now – will evolve into a pull-no-punches, in-your-face squad, an approach reflective of the guy now calling the shots.

    “We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence. That’s how our teams play,” said Burke. ‘

    …haha :)

  94. Propwash says:

    In layman’s terms, a complete and utter failure.

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  95. Habfan10912 says:

    Bazzzzzzzzing. Good one bud.

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  96. Hobie Hansen says:

    He’s got the last laugh though! He’s gets all the money from his contract, or pretty close, and can now go sign another contract tomorrow.

    He can sign a deal with the Rangers for $1 million a year, tomorrow, win the Stanley cup, while still being payed by the Habs.

    I think he’s the guy laughing.

  97. Sportfan says:

    I would still love to know who the other teams were when he got gomez? Aside Tampa anyone else know who the teams were?

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  98. HardHabits says:

    Who wears a striped shirt with a striped suit? Only an idiot with no sense of how to dress.

  99. Ron says:

    Or one shirt to his name :D

  100. Timo says:

    Would not change much on the ground from Habs’ perspective though, would it?

    Either Gomer sits or plays somewhere else, Habs are still 7M short.

  101. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    But, we’d be done with Gomez…finally.


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