Tough one tonight

Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban signs autographs for fans as he enters Rogers Arena for Tuesday’s morning skate.
Stubbs photo

They’re all tough lately.

But the Vancouver Canucks are REALLY good.

And the Canadiens haven’t won in Van since Nov. 30, 2000.

Martin juggles lines

Stubbs on Calgary game

“Classic” did nothing to showcase hockey – Hickey

Réjean Tremblay didn’t like it either

• Arpon Basu on decoding Martin

And thanks to video scout Jarred Friedman for the Sedin Twins playing the Newlywed Game

 

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533 Comments

  1. twocents says:

    Most rational people understand this.

    Mjames’ premise is ridiculous.

  2. HardHabits says:

    If you make it out of the top five you have 10% chance. I don’t like those odds.

  3. TomNickle says:

    With two of the best players and leaders in this franchises history carrying this team.  Not to mention its best goaltender.

  4. Mattyleg says:

    Insanity.

    In MY reality, Martin walks into the dressing room in his suit, stands silently and mumbles “we have to play each game one at a time. I’m happy with our development. Injuries have been a problem this season, but I’m confident we can overcome them and get the results we need.”

    The players can’t hear him over the sound of their skates being laced, and he slinks out silently to stand in the hallway and stare at the wall.

    That’s what happens.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. Mattyleg says:

    Carbonneau is the head coach of the Chicoutimi Sagueneens.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  6. TomNickle says:

    It’s no secret that in this market as a coach, you need to be prepared for every single on ice decision you make to be dissected by hundreds of media types and tens of thousands of fans.

  7. lenny says:

    JM tries to crack the whip in practice, Great!!! But, why not send a message and put Gomez on the bench or 4th line…Deharnais should get a crack at the top line…..

    I think Gomz may go down as the most hated Hab player ever (well maybe AK46)….

     

  8. TomNickle says:

    Certainly.  I don’t think rookie coaches are doomed from the start because there’s no such thing as a rookie coach.  Nobody gets pulled off the street and given a team.  But until the trend changes, I will never believe that an associate coach can take the reigns of their current team and succeed.  

  9. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Reality is not something the majority here deal with.  Once again this place is overrun by the trolls and doomsday folk.  When you have to wade thru 100 Observer or Timo or Manapart posts saying how much the team and management sucks, just to read the intelligent thoughtful posts made by real fans of the team it’s pretty bad.

  10. Bugs says:

    Al MacNeil, Claude Ruel. If there are excuses for all the contradictory evidence, surely the original affirmation must be amended instead, no?

  11. Off-side says:

    Doh!  Then why are the reporters complaining?  Yes, I did find it on You Tube and you are correct.  And, these guys had the decency to sing the Canadian anthem partly in French.

    I retract my ugly insult to the US and now throw these very same nasty insults to the Alberta!  Booooo!  Shame on you Alberta!

  12. Mattyleg says:

    Who had 10 years of experience as the head coach of the University of Moncton Blue Angels before being assistant coach to Team Canada for two years and assistant coach in Montreal for one year.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  13. observer says:

    when the held the winter classic between 2 american teams they played both national anthems as well!

  14. Bugs says:

    “I won’t try and dissect the Xs and Os behind coaching in the NHL but from a fan who lived through the days between Jacques Demers winning the cup and Jacques Martin getting us to the conference finals, I know one thing, rookie coaches don’t survive here, end of story! There’s a small chance one might succeed but who wants to waste 2 years figuring that out and probably failing. The pressure is too high and it takes a very experienced and strong NHL leader to get the job done here. With the small size, lack of firepower and all the injuries over the last two years, could anyone else have done a better job, I doubt it!!! That is my humble opinion on the issue, coming from a guy who doesn’t ever want to live through another rookie coaching disaster like we did from the time Demers left to the time Martin arrived.”

    Show me where it mentions the associate coach taking over, please, Tommy.

  15. observer says:

    these were not rental players. all 3 signed through next season. what it was is just salary slashing by dallas $2.6 million off next years payroll. and shero sharp enuff to know whats going on in the league and taking advantage of it. gainey and gauthier are too effing old and out of touch.

  16. TomNickle says:

    You really think one or two players should be benched for the team’s lack of success recently?

    There are few playing well right now.  Two guys shouldn’t take the brunt of the punishment for 18.

  17. Habfan29 says:

    Dreger is a McKenzie wanna be…

  18. Mattyleg says:

    Absolutely.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  19. G-Man says:

    Yes, Al McNeil- the one drummed out of town by Henri Richard, who called McNeil his worst coach ever.

    Yes- Claude Ruel- who loved it so much being head coach he asked to be removed after winning his Cup?

    Yes-Jean “C’est moi l’equipe” Perron who lucked out on Roy’s magical run combined with the rookies all coming through? And how long before he was shown the door and hasn’t coached in the NHL since?

  20. Jonson says:

    i think they should put AK back on the top line. I really dont see why everyone has been bashing him so much lately. i find he has been working hard, just not get the bounces. and playing with Gomez really doesnt help.  i think playing with pleks and cammy would do him good. and you need some consistency before the playoffs.  lets hope gomez doesnt bring down patches and gionta. cause if he can play better with them it will make this A LOT better. we need more than one good line. dont get me wrong i really like pouliot and desharnais as well. but its a good 3rd line this year. Maybe in a couple of years they will make 2nd line contributions.

     

    I think montreal will win tonight!

  21. notbigbird says:

    JM would split them up within two shifts.

  22. Jonson says:

    come on they are both great hockey players, i would take one of them on this team, thats for sure

     

  23. fbkj says:

    you mean like the all star game that just passed and was a huge topic of discussion?

  24. andrewberkshire says:

    I’ve heard JM only speaks to the team in a bizarre combination of spoken morse code, piglatin and sign language.

  25. Displaced says:

    I agree.  But I wouldn’t dump all those players.  Some of them are core.  Would you consider it “tanking” if moved some or all of Cammi, Gomez, Markov (no one would pick up him — he’s probably out for this year and a UFA at season’s end), AK, Moen, Pyatt, Spacek (if he’s not hurt), and/or Wiz? 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  26. TomNickle says:

    I honestly had no idea he was their assistant for that long.  Just further proof that it doesn’t work.

    Can’t go from being the guy who gives hugs to the guy giving the interviews.

     

  27. Bugs says:

    “Rookie coach” means “rookie NHL coach” not “buddy just got out of culinary school never seen a game in his life.”

    C’mon, Matty.

  28. Mattyleg says:

    John Tortorella’s ‘attack-attack-attack’ style would be popular here.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  29. TomNickle says:

    As great as Burns was, the reason he went through so many teams is that his style doesn’t breed longevity.  The in your face messages and fire and brimstone speeches wear off after a couple of seasons.

  30. TomNickle says:

    He’s a different case, I believe he was the coach of the AHL affiliate of New Jersey’s.

  31. TomNickle says:

    You’re failing to take into account all of the intracacies that go with coaching a 20 person group of men.  You have to be a great judge of character and be able to understand what each person cares about, what motivates them, what they play for, how they react to criticisms and on top of all of that, you have to know how to make them come together as a team.  You have to be incredibly disciplined.  What I mean by that is that you have to think about every single thing you say in such a way that you’re pondering what each individual reaction would be to a single comment.  You have to assess each player and determine a role for them within your team and then when you deal with injuries you must assess which player you’ve hardly ever watched at all is the best fit to fill that role in the injured players absence.

    Coaching isn’t just x’s and o’s and ra ra ra’s.  He’ll be a good coach, but it won’t be as the head coach of this team anytime soon.

  32. Mr. Habs says:

    I can’t disagree LA

  33. wmarcello says:

    Great hit. :) Cooke had his head down, and at worst the hit was borderline high. Refs made the right call, 2 for charging. Completely worth it though.

  34. Bugs says:

    I agreed with you on that; this is a different thread, yes?

  35. HardHabits says:

    Since there isn’t much to cheer for these days I thought maybe people would like to see Bradley demolish Matt Cooke.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/02/matt-cooke-leveled-into-boards-on-high-hit-by-washingtons-matt-bradley.html

    ———————————————–

    Getting into the play-offs by the skin of your teeth and getting your ass kicked in 1st round is not my idea of building a championship team. – Brian Burke

  36. SmartDog says:

    I love this TSN headline:

    MAPLE LEAFS LOOKING TO TRADE FOR BLUELINER

    Shouldn’t that really be in the advertisements?  I mean, the Laffs don’t have to pay to have TSN get the word out for them??  Must be nice!

  37. observer says:

    and dreger says gauthier will probably do nothing!

  38. HardHabits says:

    In the last 10 years the Red Wings and Devils won the Cup twice. Every other team that won in that span was either an expansion team or a team that tanked in recent it’s history.

    2009-10 – Chicago Blackhawks (tanked)
    2008-09 – Pittsburgh Penguins (tanked)
    2007-08 – Detroit Red Wings (tanked in the 80′s)
    2006-07 – Anaheim Ducks (expansion)
    2005-06 – Carolina Hurricanes (tanked)
    2003-04 – Tampa Bay Lightning (expansion)
    2002-03 – New Jersey Devils (expansion team that tanked in the 80′s)
    2001-02 – Detroit Red Wings (tanked in the 80′s)
    2000-01 – Colorado Avalanche (tanked)
    1999-00 – New Jersey Devils (expansion team that tanked in the 80′s)

    ———————————————–

    Getting into the play-offs by the skin of your teeth and getting your ass kicked in 1st round is not my idea of building a championship team. – Brian Burke

  39. Bugs says:

    And rookie coaches, yes, but…NOTHING to do with “associate” coaches, which you insist on bringing up.

    New thread = whether or not rookie coaches could do a better job than Jack Marty.

    Your thread: whether or not rookie associate coaches can do a better head coaching job than the head coach on the same team.

    I agreed with you on the associate part. This is a new thread. No mention of associates or same teams. COMPLETELY different. Please don’t tell me to “look again” at my own point, please, especially not after I’ve patiently tried explaining it to you THREE TIMES.

  40. Habfan29 says:

    Just heard Darrin Dreger on Team 990 saying that the leafs will most likely land John Michel lyles by the end of the day…

  41. TomNickle says:

    Not really, this whole conversation was started off of a desire of some to have Martin removed, which begs the question, what kind of replacement do you want?  And what kind of replacement can bring more success under the same circumstances?

  42. Habfan29 says:

    If I were Gauthier I would do nothing as well, what do we have that anyone could possibly want. Hemsky in Edmonton is going to go at a premium. If we want to make a splash then we would have to give up a Roster play, such as Subban, Pleky, patches etc and as I fan I do not want to so Gauthier to make a trade for the sake of making a trade just so that we can make the playoffs and maybe get by a first round, no rentals. the only move I would make would be in the off season, Ship Martin upstairs, make Muller the coach and bury Gomez in the minors if we cannot unload him for a bucket of pucks or a case of gatorade…

  43. fbkj says:

    this is positive news, thanks observer, usually you just post negative quips, this new happy version of you is refreshing

  44. Bugs says:

    Look again. Look at what he said. Look at my reply.

    NOTHING to do with the assistant taking over. New thread. Yes?

  45. TomNickle says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn was our best player through the first 15 games of the year and Gomez was carrying the team on his back when Pleks started to slump.  Just my opinion on both but the ups and downs of the season have been a total team effort.  There isn’t a single person in that lineup other than Pacioretty who can say they’ve been consistent.

  46. TomNickle says:

    Look again Bugs.  The original comment in this thread was about the job Martin has done.

  47. KenD29 says:

    Of late, agreed. However, at least Plecs and Hamrlik contributed earlier on. Not sure the same can be said about Gomez and AK46.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  48. Habfan29 says:

    What we seem to forget that this team is a direct refelction of their coach, they play uninspired hockey and just look at their coach behind the bench never says a thing and his facial expression never changes, but his ears twitch. After those 2 penalties in Calgary should have been up on the bench screaming at the refs, even if they were deserved penalties, he needs to show emotion this will fire up the team, but he does not, and the team follows suit.

  49. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ya it would be nice if martin had guys like Gilmour, Andreychuk, Stevens, Neidermayer, Roy, Chelios to adjust to like Burns did…I love Burns, don’t get me wrong, but he had quite a bit to work with, those are only a a small portion of the hall of famers out of the bunch…   

  50. Habfan29 says:

    Marino, now saying that we should have gotten Neal and Niksanen from Dalls for Webber, give me a break another smurf defencemen….Face it people we just do not have the horses to make deals. My goodness lets get some reality here our players as a whole are under performing and no one will trade with us. I do not want to get rid of any young roster players for a rental like phillips.

  51. Displaced says:

    Punkster’s rant about tanking means we need some definitions.  I suggest “tank” should mean a team that intentionally sucks for most of a season or multiple seasons to secure a top draft choice in one or multiple years.  That should differ from “inept”, which I suggest we could define as thoroughly incompetent management relative to the talents of individual players, lack of managerial acumen to run an organization; and/or the inability to understand the complexities of modern sport salary caps. 

    Applying these definitions, I would say Detroit and NJ were inept in the 1980s.  I would add that sucking in 1980s did little to help win Cups in the post-lock era two decades later.  In fact, they are franchises which most should use as examples of how to be successful in salary cap era.  Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Yes, it certainly is. It’s nice to see a cheery grin on observer’s face!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. TomNickle says:

    If Gomez and Kostitsyn should be watching, so should Plekanec, Hamrlik and a bunch of the others.

  54. punkster says:

    So did they consciously “tank”, throw games, lose on purpose or were they just crappy teams? You continue to use the word tank but then backpeddle with an explanation meaning trades and development. What do you want them to do David, throw games? Lose purposely? Cheat? Or do you truly view trades and development as our path to glory?

    ***Subbang!!!***

  55. Mark C says:

    Your giving Lemaire way too much credit for getting Kovalchuk going. Kovalchuk was statistically better last season in Atlanta than he was under Lemarie after the trade. Kovalchuk has been great under every head coach he’s had other than MacLean, which is around dozen head coaches. Even Kovalchuk’s hot streak under Lemaire isn’t better than his average type of season in Atlanta. Kovalchuk also had 8 points in the 8 games before Lemaire took over, it seems he had already started turning around his season.  

    If Crosby/Stamkos/Ovie started next season cold, only to take off once a new head coach was brought in, would we be giving new head coach credit for that?

  56. Mattyleg says:

    I asked this yesterday, but the regular shower of posters wasn’t around, so I’ll throw it out there again.

    I would like to know something: Why do people think that Kirk Muller would do a better job than JM?

    I loved Kirk as a captain for the CH, he was great in many ways, and seems to be doing a good job as assistant coach. But why, why, why, do you think that someone who has exactly zero experience coaching in the NHL would be able to do a better job than one who has an enormous amount of experience and who took us to the Conference Finals last year?

    People must have pretty short memories to have forgotten already about how Carbo the Rookie worked out. The fact that he wasn’t able to get work in the NHL after that shows that nobody had confidence in him. How do you get people’s confidence? You coach at the junior levels. Where’s Carbo now? He’s in Chicoutimi coaching the Sagueneens.

    Where people think Muller will magically develop into a great coach is beyond me. He is extremely effective as an assistant coach. Why move him from a position where he is doing well? Can you see the parallels?

    And anyone who says “anyone is better than JM” should continue taking their pills in silence.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. SmartDog says:

    Wow, a real scoop for Plasticman!

    I can’t stand Dreger and 90% of what he says I knew last week.

  58. punkster says:

    Pretty good Dis. Can I also suggest in your definition: “”tank” should mean a team that intentionally sucks for most of a season or multiple seasons or the end of a season to secure a top draft choice in one or multiple years.”

    Not a big sticking point for me but I view any attempt to purposely lose at any time as being dishonourable. Maybe others don’t feel that way. Let’s see shall we.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  59. VintageFan says:
    • Gomez & Kostitsyn, Kostitsyn & Gomez.  Martin keeps using these guys as key parts.  But has anyone ever seen players who appear less interested in what they are doing?  Anyone?  The only valid reason for continuing to use these two guys extensively is, well, OK there is no valid reason….
    • Note to Brian Gionta – it’s OK to pass the puck rather than shoot the puck occasionally.
  60. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Do you really think someone who has payed in the NHL and been an assistant coach in the NHL as long as Kirk has,  has no idea whatsoever how to coach a team ? really? 

  61. observer says:

    mike keenan was u. of toronto coach once first.

  62. punkster says:

    I don’t normally advocate violence but…wheeeee…that was sweet. Maybe if he got his elbow up just a touch higher it would have made the Kovalev-Tucker highlight reel satisfaction meter.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  63. Habitall says:

    Agree with your last point, but re. the trade between Dallas and Pittsburgh, I think Montreal could have gotten in on the action. Dallas is obviously salary dumping so they can re-sign Richards. That’s the only explanation I can think of for the trade. Given that, and the fact that they (like the Habs) probably are smart enough to know this isn’t their year, don’t you think we could have traded Weber and maybe a peripheral player/pick for Neal alone? Then Dallas still has Niksanen (sp?) they can trade in another deal — again, part of a salary dump.

    I like Weber, and think he could be special down the road, but if you’re looking for a power forward like Neal, why not swing that deal? And from Dallas’ perspective, is Goligoski that much better than Weber?

     

  64. observer says:

    always lost to the leafs. fired gauthier and him and got to cup finals.

  65. punkster says:

    Won’t last.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  66. daveho29 says:

    Habs 3-1 over the nucks tonight. And hopefully I get my jersey signe by Squid

  67. Mattyleg says:

    Read what I wrote about Carbonneau.

    And I never said he had no idea whatsoever about how to coach a team.

    You did.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  68. TomNickle says:

    For anyone suggesting Muller would do a great job here.  I have some words.  Dave Lewis, Tony Granato, Guy Carbonneau.  Those are the three most notable assistant coaches to take over their teams.  They all fell flat on their faces.

    I think Kirk Muller will be a good coach, but it wont happen by him replacing Jacques Martin as an immediate replacement.  

    We may lose Muller in the off-season, and good for him if we do, because it means he’ll have improved his careeer and financial situation.  But just like Boucher this summer, I’m not going to jump on the bandwagon calling for a replacement for the sake of keeping a good coach, because we have one running the show already.

    Whether we want to make a deep playoff push consistently or develop our young players, we have the right guy in place to do both of those things.  The vets don’t have a problem with him, and the kids that do have proven to be unfit for this market all together.

  69. habs001 says:

    just throwing it out there and not sure the red wings would be interested in him but could ak46 become a significant player with detroit.

  70. Mattyleg says:

    I have one more word: John MacLean.

    I agree with you completely.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  71. twocents says:

    Man, you’re up and down like a yoyo.

    You might add some credibility to your position if you stuck with it through good stretches and bad. Every time the team wins 6 or 7 out of 10 you mothball the tank, only to ride it out again if things turn sour for a 5-6 game stretch.

  72. Timo says:

    Tough one? No?! What gave that away? Is it the fact that D totally sucks? Or that forwards suck even more? Or that The System is crumbling down? I know we can’t blame the coach or the Gomez but what about the rest of these guys?

  73. Displaced says:

    Painful but true. Kirk could be a great coach and I’m not a JM fan, but the Montreal bench is not a place to let any coach get his first head coaching gig.  If PG replaces JM at some point, I would like to see him bring in someone with new ideas, an uptempo system (hey, if you have to watch 82+ games…), willingness to be candid (to a point) with the media, and has a winning record… Hartley?

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  74. Storm Man says:

    Tom he would trade anyone to make sure Ryan does not end-up in Montreal.

  75. PrimeTime says:

    in a heartbeat but why would Ducks do it?? who or what else do they want?

  76. TomNickle says:

    Upper body.  And apparently he’s the guy we were after on that Carriere trip to Nasvhille.

  77. habstrinifan says:

    Not looking for argument here, just trying to determine what being negative is right now? If one says, as I do, that the team wont do well in the playoffs unless they add a pair of players as follows: Two forwards both big, both able to play BIG, with one very gritty, and one capable of scoring himself or increasing our production with his play.

    If not that combination then a combination like Neil/Phillips. Else I see no playoffs success.

  78. kmachabs27 says:

    Canucks have lost 4 games at home in regualtion and 2 in overtime/shootout…..i think im going to have a couple extra drinks during this one.

  79. PrimeTime says:

    No and Burke will stand behind his trade for Kessel forever.

     

    in case you missed it….

    http://fans.blues.nhl.com/community/topic/13863-enough-about-halak-its-the-team/

  80. TomNickle says:

    That trade would give the Habs the #2, #4 and #5 picks of the 2005 draft!

  81. rlinhares9 says:

    You’re wrong…he did make the connection..he specifically said Cammi +++ for Ryan

  82. TomNickle says:

    What does Toronto have that he’d want.  He’s not trading Schenn and the package he’d have to put together would be including Kadri.  I don’t know that he would be willing.

    It’s not like they’d want Komisarek.

  83. ooder says:

    wow so much negativity on this site…

    i didn’t watch the game… i’ve been relaxing in beautiful san fransisco.. went up to carmel and san ramone…

    and couldn’t be happier…

    maybe we all need a looooooong vacation

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

  84. TomNickle says:

    Yes it is Bugs.  He said that the rumour he heard was a package deal that would send Cammalleri to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan.

    I didn’t misunderstand it at all.

    In the last part of the segment he was asked if he heard the possibility of big names being moved, he said that those two names were the ones he’d heard.

    But it was a specific rumour he mentioned earlier that he said he heard from a connected source.

    You’re wrong.

  85. Storm Man says:

    BB would trade anything the Ducks wanted if Ryan is on the block. He would die if the Habs would get him.

  86. rlinhares9 says:

    Heard it as well. Not sure how informed Thompson’s sources are, but he said it’s a reliable person in the hockey world. Cammi +++ for Ryan.

  87. timbo_habfan says:

    I know that this is an out there trade but might Ottawa be willing to move Jason Spezza for a couple of firsts and Gomez and/or AK?

  88. Bugs says:

    That’s not what he said.

    He mentioned one; he mentioned the other, but he didn’t make the connection between the two.

  89. TomNickle says:

    If Kessel was a left handed shot they would be identical with equipment on.

    I say no.

  90. TomNickle says:

    Kostitsyn and Cammalleri wouldn’t surprise me.  

  91. Chris says:

    Way too early to make pronouncements on Gallagher versus Ross. Right now, it is definitely looking good for us. But tearing up the WHL is a long, long way from making the NHL.

    I learned that lesson after watching Keli Corpse tear up the OHL as an 18 and 19 year old. He never played an NHL game after the Habs drafted him in the second round of the 1992 draft.

    Or if you prefer more recent history, look no further than Montreal’s 3rd round pick in the 2000 draft, Jozef Balej.

  92. Bugs says:

    Cammy for Kessel. Yes or no?

    And since I’m often accused of not getting my feet wet in these things, put me down for yes.

  93. TomNickle says:

    Jim Thompson on team 990 just said a package deal could send Cammalleri to Anaheim for Ryan.  

  94. Mattyleg says:

    “I think he’d be crazy not to [sign], playing in a city like this with linemates (Mikhail Grabovski and Nikolai Kulemin) like that.”

    Is what Brian Burke said about Clarke MacArthur.

    He certainly would be crazy. Like a fox.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  95. TomNickle says:

    1. Yep

    2. Yep, he cares.

    3. Someone will take a chance on him this year and next year.

    4. Nope, needs to go down now or get moved back to the middle.

    5. Mara

    6. Yes

    7. Not here

    8. Muller is the next head coach of the first team with a vacancy.

  96. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    you don’t see any truth to what he is shouting?

  97. observer says:

    i would love gauthier and gainey if both of them were doing something else or be somewhere else. i have no hate for them. i just hate the job that they have done here for 8 years.

  98. Mattyleg says:

    Read the negative posters, you get negative posts.

    Read the positive ones…

    You know, some people aren’t happy unless they are complaining.

    People like observer and everlasting spend far too much time on this forum and not enough on their own Leafs forum.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  99. Chris says:

    I wouldn’t say never.  The Edmonton Oilers were every bit as good as those Canadiens teams of the late 70′s or late 50′s.  I do agree it will be all kinds of difficult.

    My issue comes with how much the Montreal Canadiens “aura” comes from a time that many of its fans never witnessed.  There is probably few things in sports more galling than a young fan spouting off championships won before they were born as some sort of trump card in a discussion about whose team is more glorious.

    I didn’t see too much wrong with the column…the guy established from the beginning that he always disliked the Habs, Leafs and Rangers.  So he’s got that as a bias.  You will rarely catch me ever being happy about a Bruins or Flyers win, as I’ve detested those two teams since I started watching hockey.  The Flames are probably in that mix too, purely from the rivalry in the late 1980′s.

    But let’s face it.  I’m pushing 35 years old.  I’ve watched the Montreal Canadiens win two Stanley Cups and lose in the finals once during my lifetime.  While I’m happy to have witnessed that period, the dark years over my time as a fan (~ 1983 to the present) have outnumbered the good by a substantial margin.  Over my time as a fan, the Canadiens have been, for the most thought, an afterthought…I see as many Penguins, Blackhawks and even Bruins jerseys today as I do Habs jerseys.  The Habs don’t carry any more special of an aura as a road team than anybody else other than at the gate due to the number of expatriated Habs fans in various cities around North America.

    Hockey royalty is of course about more than just the team on the ice.  But what is the statute of limitations on a team’s greatness?  The Habs have not been a great team since the late 1980′s.  As the columnist pointed out, there is nothing special about the franchise itself anymore…there are no elite players and there have been no innovators since Patrick Roy and Guy Carbonneau departed.  Until the emergence of P.K. Subban, the team hasn’t even had a truly charismatic player, the kind that forces fans to pay attention whether they want to or not, since Patrick Roy.

    Montreal is special now for pretty much two reasons:  its history (rapidly fading memories in the minds of most hockey fans) and, most importantly, its fanatical fan base.  Those are both wonderful things, and I still get goosebumps every time I go to the Bell Centre and see the player intros and just soak in the volume of more than 20 000 other fanatical devotees of the Canadiens.  But I can certainly understand why other fans might wonder what all the fuss is about when the topic of conversation is the drawing power of the Canadiens as a road team.  There isn’t really a mystique about the team any more.  They are just one of a myriad of mediocre to good NHL franchises in the league.

  100. PrimeTime says:

    Only cuz I’m bored..

    1. yes – worked for NJ and Brodeur

    2. yes he cares but doesnt have any closers

    3. Yes we will be offered a contract by another team – too much raw skill – but not cuz of anything little tits is doing.

    4. He already is being given ice time time to learn NHL hockey

    5. who cares

    6. Yes

    7. in a wheelchair

    8. I’m sure Kirk would not turn down a head coaching job anywhere in the NHL if offered.

    9. He will still be part of the organization when his contract expires.

  101. habstrinifan says:

    ok you hearing it too lol.

     

    Good thing seems to be happening though. PG’s name is coming up more and more, which means he is scouring the market. Good news!

     

  102. Storm Man says:

    Cough Cough…….. BB will have a heart attack if that deal goes down.

  103. habstrinifan says:

    Dont know who is being interviewed on team990 now( 1:34pm) but he is saying serious rumours that Cammlleri is on the market and one of the players PG is looking for is Ryan. I didnt hear properly which Ryan.

    Again I am just repeating what is on radio that’s all.

  104. PrimeTime says:

    are you related to Burke??

  105. TomNickle says:

    If this team gave up anything for Spezza I might have a hard time tuning in.  Potential doesn’t mow the lawn.

  106. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    So I guess that means we’re in for another year of negative, nonsensical posts that all revolve around your hatred for Bob and PG.  yay.

  107. lenny says:

    some questions to ponder

    1) do you believe in the system

    2) Does Gomez even care, or is he too buisy counting his money

    3)AK46, will someone take a chance on him next yr, seeing little brother sergei is having a pretty decent year

    4) Eller, will he be given a fair shake to prove himself (i.e 15 min a game on the top 2 lines, regardless of errors)

    5) who will record a goal first, Mara or Gill

    6) Does Gill resign next yr

    7) where will Hammer end up?

    8)Muller, any chance he sticks around until martin is gone?

    9)JM will he be fired or coach to the end of his contract?

  108. kmachabs27 says:

    sorrry 5 losses in overtime/shootout…..that makes it better……ya you can say there due to lose at home but the way were playing im still going to have a few extra drinks.

  109. TomNickle says:

    I’d say bask in the possibility of adding Ryan with the rest of us.

  110. punkster says:

    First name Dick. Last name Head.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  111. LA Loyalist says:

     A lot is where you build a house that a poster will bet the the Habs will win tonight only to find that there is a lien on the house that when  you try to take possession they impound your car and you go crap I thought I was getting a house.

  112. observer says:

    My yearly positive post Habs have won 3 of the 4 last meetings with Vancouver going into tonight.

  113. Mattyleg says:

    Ha! Are you kidding me? We could win the cup and you’d still be pointing out why we shouldn’t have.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  114. otter649 says:

    A story written by a Buffalo newspaper & reported by Team 990 is that Spacek maybe done for the season with a knee injury……….

  115. habstrinifan says:

    I have a funny feeling HABS win this one. But if we win I hoppe that it does not mean everyone then becomes convinced that team does not need to be improved.

  116. Mattyleg says:

    Terrible, truly.

    Habs missed the playoffs once and went to conference finals once.

    Before that, they had missed 5 of 9 playoffs.

    Yep, they ruined the team, that’s for sure!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  117. TomNickle says:

    Desharnais and Halpern have had their share as well.

  118. Storm Man says:

    Is Suter from the Preds hurt? He is not in the line-up tonight.

  119. kmachabs27 says:

    Bobby Ryan is the man….28 goals so far…big body.

  120. habstrinifan says:

    No too high. I am not sold on Spezza being impactful by himself. And we dont have the size to surround him with.

  121. TomNickle says:

    I would gamble that Gauthier hasn’t even inquired on any more than 7 of these 30 players.  If that many at all.

  122. Pieboy says:

    Wow, Ryan would be an incredible addition- exactly the mix of size and finish needed up front.

  123. scrowe21 says:

    Yeah I was kinda wondering that too.. cant see why they’d do it.

  124. observer says:

    Maybe he means Ryan McDonaugh? You know Gauthier/Gainey like bringing back ones from the past? Like Brisebois or Mara?

  125. kmachabs27 says:

    Jim Thompson is a meathead…..he knows as much about trade rumours as Eklund does.

  126. TomNickle says:

    I think both teams would win in a deal like that.  Anaheim gets tremendous depth immediately and we get the right winger we’ve needed for more than 5 years.

    And yes the Mara thing would be funny.

    Have any two teams made three trades with each other in one season?

  127. observer says:

    well i remember before 1993 too – and this 8 year run now is a disgrace. remember it was gainey in 2003 who said “5 year plan”. look at the date! it is now 2011.

  128. observer says:

    no- i am pointing what he better do or there is absolutely no chance of winning the cup!

  129. habstrinifan says:

    No Sheldon is missing something! He got no more game!

  130. kmachabs27 says:

    ur right……the Ducks just signed Ryan before this year to a 4 year deal through the 2013/14 season….hes making 3.2 this year and 5.6 for the next 3 with a cap hit of 5.1….similiar to Cammy….who knows.

  131. TomNickle says:

    I have not seen Gionta’s effort level waver since his arrival.

    Plekanec rarely has an off game, but he does have a tendency to start games slowly.

  132. ooder says:

    i’m sure Boone prefers inhaling.. but hey to each thier own ;)

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

     

  133. cameronwalker89 says:

    Yeah, myself and my Dad will be going section 327 row 2.

     

    “The day you hear someone call me captain will be the day I buy a boat.” -The Flower

  134. andrewberkshire says:

    Gionta has had games where he looks pretty awful, everyone has except for maybe Plekanec. Although Plekanec gets criticised whenever he doesn’t put up points, even if he’s the best player on the team on that given night.

  135. Storm Man says:

    Tom Im not going out on a limb on this rumor and that is all it will be. Ryan is one of the best young players with his skill set in the league. If he was on the block 29 other teams would be making deals to get him and 12 would be able to put a better deal together. If and I say this with a grain of salt PG lands Ryan without giving up PK and MaxP people on here should kiss his butt.

  136. Bugs says:

    My request was clear: produce a link of someone in St-Louie saying they gave up too much for Halak. That Eller and Schultz was TOO MUCH.

    You have failed spectacularly “to comply” so far, I’m afraid, PT. General linking of a page of malcontents where one or two of’em are whining about how “Halak sucks” ISN’T “reading between the lines” that they gave up too much for him. That’s just you putting words in people’s mouths.

  137. Storm Man says:

    Are you watching games or do you play alot of xbox 360? Pleks is the best forward we have on this team period. He can play vs the other teams best line, plays the PK ect. I like Cammy alot but he does not bring a full meal deal like Pleks can.

  138. LA Loyalist says:

    Mara would be funny, the poor guy. You just slid that in there. 

    Yemelin also works, I don’t think Serious is confident he will come here, but California is always a draw.

    But your deal, yeah. Done. Call the limo.

     

  139. joeybarrie says:

    Slow/frozen work computer wouldnt let me correct my post.  WOULD BE A GOOD TRADE FOR US…

    But man I would be depressed. I LOVE CAMMI.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  140. joeybarrie says:

    Will I have to continue making your Mortgage payments? How much equity do you have in said house??? Will I have to put my house up to bet? Where is this house and how big???

    I do also think the Habe will win tonight. HOWEVER, I pretty much think they are gonna win every night. Late game so it will be a BAD morning if we get killed like we did vs Calgary.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  141. Rainrocket16 says:

    It was directed to the ones who are calling him a bum.

  142. SeriousFan09 says:

    Technically, that could describe Eklund, he’s a ‘hockey person’ who gets paid for blowing vast amounts of smoke.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  143. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    So, all three.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  144. andrewberkshire says:

    I can’t root for the Canucks in the playoffs. Growing up in the west, I just can’t do it. Their fans are intolerable, as much as we Habs fans are, but they have nothing to show for it. That, and I’ll never forget the Bertuzzi incident, and how the Canucks as an organization got away with it. That event is why I have no respect for Brian Burke or Marc Crawford as well.

  145. PrimeTime says:

    Sorry Bugs but I do not answer to you. My point on the original post was well substantiated by the link. 

  146. Mattyleg says:

    Most importantly: He’s always injured, and would spend more time in the Royal Vic on an IV drip than on the ice.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  147. TomNickle says:

    I’ve held the same opinion for three months and have had no problem sharing it.  I certainly hope that wasn’t directed at me.

  148. andrewberkshire says:

    What he’s getting at is that hockey royalty is more than about just a team. An organization with a great hockey team, but a dead arena and no real fanbase will never be hockey royalty. Their management will be lauded, but no one ever aspires to be exactly like them. That’s why NJ is always talked about in terms of Lou Lamoriello and Jacques Lemaire, and not in terms of an aura around the team. Montreal captured that because of the football (european) like nature of the fandom, along with the decades of brilliant management and successful teams. Has the team lost that lustre? Of course it has, because the league has changed. Nothing like what the Habs had in the 50′s to 70′s will ever happen again in the NHL.

  149. Bugs says:

    First of all, you ARE answering to me, PT, so that’s probably not what you meant to say.

    Secondly, uhh, no, not only is your point NOT sunstantiated by the link, it’s a rhetorical fail of epic proportion because NO ONE on it says they gave up too much for Halak. So in effect, you proved MY point instead of yours with that link. If that’s what you call “substantiating”, PT, I’m left to hope you’re not a public defender, cuz…ouch.

    I pointed this out and more the first time I replied to your…”substantiating evidence”. Maybe you shoulda read that reply before re-posting your failure three times, no?

  150. habs001 says:

    the little speed he had is gone…unless we are looking to set a record for  slowest d in the history of the nhl

  151. Bugs says:

    Interesting…

  152. ABHabsfan says:

    Please send a pic of your house as well as a definition for “handsomely”

  153. Bugs says:

    Cammy’s a bum.

    Didn’t want to say it before but I guess, now that the situation has changed, maybe we can all come out and admit it.

  154. Rainrocket16 says:

    now with cammy on the trade talk people are ready to call out his flaws. Shame on some of you.

  155. LA Loyalist says:

    if the cup final is “Nucks / any US team” who do we cheer for? “Nucks as nominally Swedish-Canadian? Or the U.S. team to beat them so Habs remain last Canadian Cup and to wipe the smugness off the ‘Nucks?

    Why is this stuff so complicated?

  156. TomNickle says:

    Eklund’s no more of a hockey person than Stephen Harper.  I posted this last night, he’s said that these specific players were hard targets of the Habs or destined to end up here.

    Hemsky, Penner, Whitney, Regehr, Bourque, Bieksa, Burrows, Liles, Koivu, Brown, Simmonds, Setoguchi, Richards, Jovanovski, Seabrook, Sharp, Bolland, Perron, E.Johnson, O’Brien, Filatov, Moulson, Phillips, Neil, Ruutu, Stafford, White, Babchuck, Pitkanen, Bogosian, Weiss, Horton, McCabe, Vokoun, Niemi and Lecavalier.

    Jim Thompson is a far cry from Eklund.

  157. fbkj says:

    i disagree, championships rock, but the affect a team has on its community counts for something too

  158. G-Man says:

    Souray is a slow pylon whose wrists tell him his career as a NHLer is over. His ego ain’t listening.

  159. habstrinifan says:

    And we WONT be again unless we rid ourselves of our pollyana mist, stop dumping on those who tell it as it is and insist on MANAGEMENT heeding the message and rebuilding our glory.

  160. TomNickle says:

    When Gionta loses his man he breaks his back to pick him back up.

    I don’t see the consistent effort level from him that I see from Pouliot, Gionta, Pacioretty, Plekanec and many others.

  161. andrewberkshire says:

    Plekanec starting games slowly is perhaps why Gomez is more often given the first shift.

  162. oshawahabsfan says:

    Kessel doesn’t show up when it counts, in the playoffs. Cammalleri has him beat by a mile there. If you watched the Olympics you wouldn’t have even known Kessel was on the US team without reading the roster, he doesn’t show up when his team needs him to

  163. TomNickle says:

    Haha, no but maybe that’s how it went down.

  164. G-Man says:

    Better qualify that. It’s pretty much a lock for Vancouver. Their forwards score.

  165. fbkj says:

    “unless his health and hockey ability are worse than I think it is..”

    they are

    also he has cleared waivers and still has a contract into next season paying him over 5 million

  166. TomNickle says:

    I don’t think the Ducks would target a defenseman from our roster to be honest.  I think Beauchemin was the last addition to their defense they’ll be making.  Maybe a #5/#6 guy.  Not Weber.

    I think the right package could do it though.  I mean, he’s essentially James Neal with a higher pedigree.  But maybe even a little less value in his contract negotiations.  

  167. Storm Man says:

    Im game “) you’re call how many Borden’s you want to put on the table.

  168. Chris says:

    Yeah, but a crazy crowd does not make for royalty. It just makes for a crazy crowd.

  169. the_larry says:

    Yeah I just read these, I have no idea where this topic came from? I haven’t read anything anywhere about Cammy being traded.

  170. the_larry says:

    Yeah I get that. Im not suggesting we trade for him but if he’s on waivers, we could pick him up on minimum wage for a 1 year contract and maybe mold him into something useful for the playoffs. I dont see a downside to it, unless his health and hockey ability are worse than I think it is..

  171. Mattyleg says:

    He said he paid a hockey person to tell him of that scenario?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  172. TomNickle says:

    That wouldn’t surprise this fan.

  173. andrewberkshire says:

    Is there ever a time where character is done being built? I think it’s a sham project personally, Bugs. I think you and your bro should look into it. I mean it’s been an ongoing construction process for at least my whole life. I have a feeling that it’s very similar to the construction contracts handed out by the Montreal city government, the same roads being ripped up and repaved every summer… Something smells fishy, I’m tellin’ ya.

  174. Storm Man says:

    I will be first in line if that rumor happens.

  175. F Bomb says:

    Any truth behind the theory that Cammalleri is disappointed / pissed off that he was not named Captain?

    The whole situation reminds me of the Heatley ordeal.  Heatley was dropped to the second line after leading the team in scoring and we all know what happened next. 

  176. Bugs says:

    Smug is good for you.

    Builds character.

  177. LA Loyalist says:

    …where’s the line?

  178. fbkj says:

    ever been to a game in new jersey?

    come back and tell me that that team has anything remotely hinting towards an aura of royalty about them

    that crowd is a graveyard

  179. andrewberkshire says:

    The OT goal by the Oilers was both Cammalleri and Subban’s fault, it was a broken play and a pathetic one. But that’s one play. We can go through highlights of games during the season and I can show you 25+ times where Gomez did something worse or equivalent. Gionta has lost his man before and not gotten back. It’s a long season and s*** happens. I’ve seen a guy in Cammalleri who just hasn’t had the luck he had last season, and was getting it back before Buffalo injured him.

  180. andrewberkshire says:

    And my opinion is different.

  181. Storm Man says:

    You can say how much…. Send me a email if you want to make that bet.Paypal works best for me:).

  182. TomNickle says:

    Jim Thompson on team 990.  Said a paid hockey person told him of the scenario.

  183. LA Loyalist says:

    I like Weber a lot, too. You need more than one QB on the PP, my point more is that Fowler and Weber are too similar for it to be an urgent need for Ducks.

    Cross your fingers, I’m going to start snooping in Duckland and if I can find anything out.

  184. Bugs says:

    Your 1973 Fisher-Price house, right?

    Yeah, yeah, there’s always a trick.

    Nice try, buddy.

  185. CanadienBoy says:

    Cammy +5 Gomez-18

  186. TomNickle says:

    For Ryan, this is the highest I would go.

    Cammalleri, Kostitsyn and….

    One of Gallagher or Kristo and…

    One of Yemelin’s rights or Ramo’s rights.

    If they wanted a roster defenseman I would take Yemelin and Ramo off the table and give them their choice of Hamrlik and Mara.

  187. Storm Man says:

    Team 990….

  188. JSP1990 says:

    Lol. If we aren’t playing late, then I watch the Ducks. I don’t tend to sleep much, so I watch late games all the time.

  189. PrimeTime says:

    every team passed on him on waivers last week…..there might be a reason or two.

  190. ooder says:

    how would he know the habs system.. his last season here was in 07.. where he finished a nice -28

    the guy can’t even crack the oilers roster

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

  191. F Bomb says:

    Can someone explain where B.R. for Cammy came from?  (I am getting into this convo late)

    Rumor? Proposed? Arm chair GM?

  192. Mark C says:

    1. Unless you’re part of Duck’s management, I don’t think this trade rumor can be ruled out of hand (any more than any other rumor). Plus the rumor is Cammalleri ++. The pre-deadline trading this season is beyond comparison to anything we’ve ever seen. Erik Johnson (the closest player to Pronger, future legit #1 D), Chris Stewart and James Neal (both premier power forwards) have already been traded, I don’t think any reasonable trade rumor can be ruled out at this point.

    2. Unless Lupul is done as an NHL player (even if he was the Leafs could clear the cap # on LTIR) Beauchemin for that package was a rip off. Beauchemin hasn’t been any better than a #3/4 since his two good years with the Ducks. Jaro Spacek puts up the same amount of points as Beauchemin. If Spacek was traded for Lupel and a blue chip prospect, wouldn’t you jump for joy?  Wait that might be a trick question for you.

    Forget Penner, let’s hope PG forces on Ryan. Bobby Ryan makes Dustin Penner look like a hobo. Also, it sounds like the Oilers are asking for the moon for their players still under contract.

     

  193. LA Loyalist says:

    Of course you’re right, it’s just that we tend to over-value our assets.

    I’m not personally believing that he’s available, but if we could make that happen… 

    And you know what? Taking 2 enigmas (Cammi and AK) who are both unquestionably skilled, I guess the odds are one of them will wake up?).

    Who do you think it would take to get Ryan, realistically? I’d do it in a heartbeat.

    (my only untouchables are Price, PK, Plex and Poo, excluding the injured guys).

     

  194. andrewberkshire says:

    What you’re missing is that his play and health have deteriorated so badly that he’s not even considered a good AHL defenseman.

  195. TomNickle says:

    I disagree, if he wasn’t hurt in the first half he wasn’t showing enough effort.  Just my opinion.

  196. Storm Man says:

    I don’t want you to be homeless…. If you want to put a few Borden’s on the game I would be game.

  197. andrewberkshire says:

    Chris, a Habs fan who isn’t smug… Does that exist? We’re about the smuggest people on the planet. However Canucks fans are nearly as smug surprisingly, this without any success in their franchise’s history.

  198. Bugs says:

    What do Couverites know about hockey royalty? They live behind MOUNTAINS, fergodssakes.

    Honestly.

  199. Chris says:

    Really?  The Canadiens invented durability?

    At some point, Canadiens fans have to stop living in the past.  It makes us a lot less smug and a lot easier for other fans to take seriously.

    If you look at the Habs recent history since the 1993 championship, the Canadiens haven’t made the finals once.  We’re another few years from saying that an entire generation has grown up without seeing a Montreal Canadiens Stanley Cup victory…that is not hockey royalty.

    The NHL’s royalty for this generation has been Detroit and New Jersey.  Montreal is one of many anonymous faces in the pack of pretenders for that generation.

    As for five-year predictions, I wouldn’t make too many of those.  Look back five years and tell me that you thought only 2 or 3 of those players would still be with the Habs today.  The NHL is a funny thing.  What will we do if Price packs house when he becomes a UFA in a few years to sign with his hometown Canucks?  What will we do if P.K. Subban catches an injury?

    Yoda put it best…”Always in motion is the future.”

  200. StevieRay says:

    Cam Cole ..??? drinking on the job again … or smokin’ to much BC gold !

  201. wd40 says:

    what is “ALOT”?

  202. TomNickle says:

    Last season I had no problem with his effort level Andrew.  I see guys like Pacioretty, Pouliot, Desharnais, Gionta and even Gomez try to beat out icings.  I don’t see Cammalleri do that, or at least not this season.  His backchecking is pathetic.  He just doesn’t skate with a purpose when he’s doing it, and not because he’s looking to pick up a trailer behind the play.  Remember the ot goal against the Oilers?

    I like him as a person, and I do like the player when he’s trying.  I’d never wish injury on a player but I hope he’s been hurt all year, because if he hasn’t been, I think there’s been a problem with effort level out of him.

  203. daveho29 says:

    Cool see you there, I have section 303 row 10 seat 109.

    Will be wearing a Cammalleri jersey

  204. Bugs says:

    Umm, because he’s broken and useless?

  205. fbkj says:

    i doubt wed trade for him for cheap when we could have had him for free

  206. Mr. Habs says:

    I’ll bet my house the Habs win handsomely tonight. Price will put on a show for his friends & family & school Big Lou. The Habs are due to get the GM monkey of their backs!

  207. TomNickle says:

    Well, on Weber.  I’m very impressed with him and don’t want him moved.  He hasn’t been manhandled physically like many said he would, in fact, he’s been dictating physical play.

    I think that if we were putting two roster players together to send to Anaheim they would be the guys, I don’t think it would stop there though.  I think it would take a solie prospect like Kristo, Gallagher or maybe even the rights to Ramo, Trotter or Yemelin to get it done.

  208. andrewberkshire says:

    Your problems with Cammalleri have nothing to do with effort either. He has terrible defensive instincts, but he always makes the effort to backcheck and get into the play. Does he lose the puck a lot in the defensive zone (especially on the half boards)? Yes, but it’s not for lack of effort. It’s not like the guy is cherry picking at the blueline like Phil Kessel, he’s just not that strong defensively. It’s a knock on his game, not his effort level. Since Cammalleri has come here I can count maybe 10 games where he hasn’t given all the effort he can, about the same as Gionta, about 1/4 of what Gomez has given.

  209. Rainrocket16 says:

    What, a so-so season this year and a non-status in games against larger teams, Sorry I love both Pleks and Cammy but if I had to see one go………

  210. TomNickle says:

    LOL.  I’m not laughing at the opinion.  I’m laughing at the enthusiasm behind it.  Kinda makes me think there’s some unconditional love behind the opinion.

  211. Mattyleg says:

    That surprises me not a bit.

    Vancouver have long been known as Canada’s worst fans.

    I had one recently tell me that Montreal is not a hockey city, and that most other cities in Canada are bigger hockey cities than here.

    Does he consider that oh.. I don’t know… VANCOUVER is hockey royalty?

    Gimme a break.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  212. Rainrocket16 says:

    Your damn right he has!!!

  213. Hobie Hansen says:

    Who the heck is mentioning Cammy leaving or Ryan arriving?

  214. the_larry says:

    Am I missing something, but why doesn’t Gautier pick up Sheldon Souray from the Oilers for cheap?! Hes another solid, physical Dman and he knows the Habs system and he would help us toughen up a bit for the playoffs. Most importantly: he’d be cheap to get!

  215. andrewberkshire says:

    Yes I do, but he hasn’t been finishing. He’s also spent significant time with Gomez, which is also a problem with AK46. Neither of them have any chemistry with Gomez no matter how much JM wants to force it.

  216. TomNickle says:

    Picking the corners has little to do with effort.

  217. JSP1990 says:

    I love Cammy Rain. He’s my favorite after Carey. But Bobby Ryan is younger and alot better.

  218. LA Loyalist says:

    Tom don’t you think Weber is too much like Fowler? (though Weber is not as advanced and may or may not turn out as well?) Fowler is really young but man is he skilled.

    He’s 6 1 and the website says he’s 190 but he’s 190 like Gionta is 150. Needs to beef up but when he does, yikes.

    I wouldn’t give up Ryan for Cammi and AK, with the year they’ve had? But crap I’ll be happy if they do it.

    And as I posted, the Ducks goalie situation may preclude any other deal till they get Hiller parsed. Hiller is supposed to be hosting a kids event this Saturday, I’ll post if he is there or not.

  219. Storm Man says:

    C’Mon man are you kidding here? Think about what Pleks brings to this team.

  220. Rainrocket16 says:

    I am gonna be sick!!! Cammy leaving us is a stupid Idea!! I would rather lose Pleks than Cammy!

  221. Everlasting1 says:

     I don’t like Beiber either :-P

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  222. JSP1990 says:

    I think Cammy is having an off year. I don’t think his effort level is bad. He keeps trying to pick the corners like he did all last year and misses the net. It has to be frustrating.

  223. TomNickle says:

    His drafting record outside of the top 5 isn’t exactly stellar.  It will be interesting to see what he does with these picks.

    Bottom line.  Our 5th round pick last year was miles better than his 2nd round pick and we’re almost a year beyond those selections.

  224. Pieboy says:

    PG would have to sweeten the pot. Packaged with Kostitsyn for Ryan and a pick?

     

     

  225. TomNickle says:

    Nobody’s saying Cammalleri for Ryan straight up is the rumour.  The rumour, per Jim Thompson, is a package that would include assets in addition to Cammalleri for Bobby Ryan.

    And from where you are, you more than anyone here should know how weak the Ducks are on the left wing.

  226. JSP1990 says:

    I watch ALOT of Ducks hockey. I would love to see Bobby Ryan here.

  227. TomNickle says:

    You think Cammalleri’s been showing sufficient effort when healthy this season?

  228. Chris says:

    There are many things Brian Burke can be accused of, but stubbornly standing behind a trade he made forever is not one of them.

    He dumped Versteeg.  He dumped Beauchemin.  Rumours are pretty hot that Kessel is available, for the right price.

    All things being said, I actually think Brian Burke has been doing a very good job for the Leafs this season.  I quite like the Colborne acquisition, and I think Lupul could be a very important piece for them.  Picking up a pair of first round picks was also a good move. 

    Yes, he laid an egg on the Kessel trade, but nobody expected the Leafs to be THAT bad the past couple of years.  And Komisarek, Beauchemin and Versteeg didn’t work out…but he’s rolling the dice, giving it a try and then re-acquiring assets once he’s determined that those pieces didn’t work out.  Nothing wrong with that philosophy.

  229. joeybarrie says:

    Even though it hurts my heart to say this, cause I love Cammi so much… Ryan for Cammi would not be a good trade for us.

    I just can’t imagine WHY Anaheim would do this. Young player with 2 seasons of over 30 goals, and this one will be too. All by the age of 24. 6 foot 2, and all this for less than Cammi????

    Even though Cammi was a GOD in the playoffs last season, he hasn’t been consistent enough since then, and is oft injured for us.

    Just cannot imagine the Ducks doing this.

    Im gonna go with a 1% chance this happens. Maybe im wrong.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  230. andrewberkshire says:

    Lost in all this Cammalleri+ for Ryan talk is whether or not Ryan would even want to play here. He doesn’t have an NTC but if a player doesn’t want to play in Montreal, I don’t want him on the team. Cammalleri wants to play here and it shows in his effort. I get a spoiled brat vibe from Bobby Ryan, and I highly doubt he wants to play in Quebec.

  231. joshua94k says:

    Cam Cole of the Vancouver Sun says Habs no longer hockey royalty.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Wake+Call+Montreal+Canadiens+longer+hockey+royalty/4325524/story.html

    I guess he must be wondering who the home town will be cheering for tonight when the Canadiens win. Does he know which team sells the most merchandise. Which team has the most Facebook fans. Which team has been polled as Canada’s favourite team.

    He must be afraid that come play-off time, Luongo will choke and teams will neutralize the one line offense of the Sedins and find there is not much left and the Canucks will be eliminated in the 1st round.

    Five years from now the Canadiens will be a play-off contender. Where will the Canucks be after the Sedins are past their prinme? The Canadiens invented durability.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  232. LA Loyalist says:

    1. Ducks are not trading us Bobby Ryan for Cammi (though I would do that deal).

    2. Beauchemin was a deal for older experience, a guy they know, to calm things down in their own end.

    3. They are on pause button re trading for the moment because of Hiller’s bizarre dizziness problem, if that’s not resolved quickly they will be forced to trade for a goalie. Emery hasn’t played in a year, I think he just played his 2nd game in the minors, so he’s not an immediate option.

    4. Lupul they liked, but the need for D depth was more important. And probably giving Lupul a fresh start will help him, the guy has suffered terribly.

    In summary, I’d be thrilled to get Ryan, he’s 6′ 2″, weighs 208, LW, shoots right and has 28 goals and 20 assists. If PG could get him and Penner, oh man that would be unbelievable but I don’t think so.

     

     

  233. HardHabits says:

    Getting 1st round picks is the way to go not giving them up.

  234. PrimeTime says:

    read between the lines as we do with your posts. Was only complying to your request.

  235. observer says:

    it will be more positive when habs get back home, and if they fluke it off tonight even before — or if gauthier makes some moves to re-energize the fans and more important the team IF HE DOES.

  236. Shiloh says:

    1. I believe it exists, but it sucks.

    2. I think he cares, but he sucks.

    3. AK will have many offers.

    4. Eller will get more ice time next year.

    5. Mara

    6. 1 year with us

    7. Hammer might sign for 2 years with us – cheap

    8. Not unless Martin is sent packing within a couple of weeks.

    9. He will “resign” or be promoted to Assistant GM.

  237. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    The Habs are doing the best they can… most here know what they need, and eventually the coaches/management will realize what is needed, but by then they may be out of a job and/or the players would have used up their potential and moved on… and the cycle just continues… so, its not really worth going nuts over the status quo.

    although its great fun, from a sporting perspective and a fanatical perspective, we all want our team to be the best, otherwise we wouldn’t care, nor would our own competitive fever even be here…

    here is a little video to put “entertainment” and the “world” in perspective, its a good watch and well worth the 3minutes…. and may just wake you up to a reality.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8WhT9BwpRs&feature=feedu

     

    1:The N.A.G.S. (North American Grit Speed) Youth Movement will bring us respect. 2: 02/09/11 never forget the masacre 3. ..call up WHITE/SHULTZ/HENRY/PAX now.

  238. pmaraw says:

    so their due?

  239. fbkj says:

    ooof alex jones

     

  240. observer says:

    anaheim fighting for a playoff spot-why do this?—- so is dallas why did they trade away neal? and he is signed for next year? and threw in another former 1st rounder to boot. only 5 teams in the entire league have worse attendence than anaheim. even dallas is 2 notches better than them in attendence.

  241. TomNickle says:

    Yeah well it’s a lot easier to be right about one player out of 600 not going to a specific team than it is to be right about them moving, so kudos to you for really going out on a limb here Tim.

    I’m not saying it’s going to happen.  But me saying that the right package would make sense isn’t unrealistic, it’s an opinion.  And since I’m being fairly reasonable about it I’m not sure why you would speak to me with a condescending remark about being overjoyed at the possibility of Ryan coming here like a child getting a christmas gift they asked for

    Think about it.  One team gets a guy who’s been close to 40 goals and another guy who at seasons end will likely have scored 20 in 3 of his 4 pro seasons for a guy who scores 30 per season and brings a physical element.

    It’s not out of this World unrealistic.  Especially when you consider their need to strengthen the left wing in their top six. 

     

  242. TomNickle says:

    I think this whole trade speculation for the last month has been to drive prices up on players so that fellow EC teams overpay for assets.  So I do believe there’s some truth to the last part.  But I also believe Dreger about as much as I do the devil.  He’s on Burke’s payroll.

  243. Storm Man says:

    Sorry Tom just like the same way I was with all the Iggy talk. Ryan is not coming here period… Sorry.

  244. Bugs says:

    Not to mention forgetting that Bobby Ryan was a 2nd overall pick (2, 4, 5…), Calder trophy finalist, Olympic finalist, and a 35goal scorer who’s getting better every year.

  245. Mark C says:

    They did just trade Lupul, a blue chip prospect, and conditional 4th round pick for Francois Beauhemin. There’s hope.

  246. observer says:

    Earlier today on Team 990 Dreger said he didn’t expect Gauthier to do much but emphasized that no info ever leaks from Gautier on what deals he might be contemplating. And even said that Gauthier has others send out for him misleading plans – what a sneak this Gauthier is.

  247. TomNickle says:

    And remembering how he does nothing else and that we have to make the playoffs for that talent to shine through.

  248. TomNickle says:

    Cammy, Weber and a 1st would absolutely get it done Tim.  Any GM with Getzlaf and Perry on their team would be nuts not to take that deal.

    They are weak on the left wing.  Very wing.  If they can add Cammalleri and Kostitsyn for Ryan, they should do it.

    We have a weakness on the right wing, they have one on the left wing.

    That rumour makes sense.  Ryan isn’t held in the same regard as Iginla Tim.

    If anything, Bobby Ryan is a right handed shooting version of James Neal, he can be had.

  249. boneheadslanger33 says:

    I guess we’re all forgetting about how Mike Cammalleri led the Playoffs in goals last year and was a point per game player…

  250. Storm Man says:

    Tom I understand Ryan coming here would send you over the moon and back. When all the Iggy talk was on here and I said no way it is going to happen. Ryan coming here is the samething NEVER. Cammy, Weber, and a 1st round pick would not get it done.

  251. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    NHL inks huge deal with Molson.  Does this mean some of the calls might actually start going our way?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=354868

  252. Drew42 says:

    Anybody going to the game tonight?

    I’ll be there with a coworker (unfortunately a Canuck fan) sitting in section 303, row 14, seats 13 and 14.

     

    Hopefully they play better for me than they did on Sunday in Calgary and I had to put up with the damn poutine and corned beef jokes and chants…. If they can pull this one off tonight, the Classic’s boondoggle (no offence Mike :P) will be forgiven and forgotten!

  253. scrowe21 says:

    No, hes only 23 and signed til 2015. I don’t see how this trade happens, or why the Ducks would do it. Cammy has a higher cap hit so it cant be to free up space..

  254. TomNickle says:

    Thompson may be a meathead, but I don’t hear him speculating that every player in the NHL is on the move.  And Thompson is a former NHL player himself, he actually has connections.

  255. Everlasting1 says:

    1) Why yes..yes I do.

    2) The money’s counted..he’s counting the days.

    3) There’s always a chance big bro will grow up to be like lil bro.

    4) Needs to prove his mettle in Steeltown.

    5) Festerling

    6) Meh

    7) In carpentry

    8) He may mull over to greener pastures lol

    9) No way out for the tarnished brass.

     

     Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  256. TomNickle says:

    There are very few who are worse than Cammalleri defensively.

  257. Bugs says:

    Not if he gets the FA was running after last year.

    I didn’t miss it. Your failure was quite evident first time around. No one says they gave up too much for Halak on that link, PT.

  258. Rudy says:

    Anaheim is fighting for a playoff spot, why would thet do this? Is he a UFA at the end of the year?

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  259. TomNickle says:

    Corey Perry gives them jam and finish on the right side.  Much like us, teams can isolate them to a side of the ice where they aren’t dangerous.

    Ours is the right, theirs is the left.  

    A deal like this would make some sense.

  260. habstrinifan says:

    He did!
    He also hum and haw’d but ended up saying it was not a silly no-substance rumour.

  261. TomNickle says:

    I don’t think he’d move Schenn and I don’t think he has the horses to get it done anyway.  Schenn is the only player he has who could get Ryan back.

  262. Bugs says:

    Hey, even JESUS was wrong once in a while!

    Not a lot of people know this, but the water-into-wine thing was SUPPOSED to be water-into-SHERRY, ok? Sooo…a little slack, eh?

  263. Pieboy says:

    Kessel is very weak defensively, but he is still young.

  264. TomNickle says:

    Dave Pagnotta reported Suter, and one of our player’s sister works or worked for him.

  265. Storm Man says:

    I hear it is Frason.

  266. observer says:

    For all you Kessell haters – Kessell has played 130 games for the Leafs his 2 seasons there with 52 goals and 42 assists or 94 points. In comparison, Gainey/Gauthier’s best free agent signed by them Camalleri played 110 games in his 2 seasons here and scored 39 goals and 42 assists or 81 points.

  267. scrowe21 says:

    Wouldn’t mind that. I like Cammy and would be sad to see him go..but…Ryan is bigger and better.

  268. Bugs says:

    Oh, yeah? Well, I guess I’M the wrong who’s wrong then! Maybe due to the fact that I only caught the tail-end of that but nevertheless presumptuously thought I had gotten the whole gist of it when I clearly hadn’t! What do you say to THAT…

    JACK?!

  269. HardHabits says:

    OK. So we know you’re not a Habs fan. That makes you a troll for coming here.

  270. Bugs says:

    Link to a St-Louian who SAYS they gave up too much for Halak, please Stormy.

    Because when you say “Maybe you can start a post asking what Blues fans think and see”, you ADMIT that particular affirmation is nowhere to be found yet. 

  271. HardHabits says:

    I touted Halak as much as and in many cases more than any other poster here last season. Price this season is light years ahead of Halak. The Blues got burned badly in that deal.

  272. kempie says:

    I can’t believe that this stuff is so funny still, but it is.

  273. TomNickle says:

    2.42 GAA, .919 SV%

    And an ability to play the puck.  Much better goalie.  Glad our management team didn’t listen to the idiotic masses.

  274. TomNickle says:

    Don’t hold your breath.

  275. Bugs says:

    First of all, linking an entire PAGE and asking me to HUNT FOR MYSELF for the proof against me is a fail, ok?

    Secondly, I actually DID go through it. Didn’t see NO ONE wrote “We gave up too much for Halak.”

    Result: COMPOUND failure. Because if THAT was your proof, you’ve proven MY point instead of yours, i.e., no one in St-Louie is saying they gave up too much for Halak. The “proof”? The link PT provided. Rhetorical suicide.

    I will say this: the irony of your parting shot amuses me.

  276. Everlasting1 says:

    What’s that playoff choker’s stats..let’s have it.

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  277. Bugs says:

    Ok. So no one in St-Louie is saying they gave up too much for Halak, is that fair to say?

  278. TomNickle says:

    You’re right.  He will bounce back.  He’ll do it when he’s playing for a contract again.

  279. Storm Man says:

    I guess you need to read the posts yourself. One of the rankings gave Halak a D for disappointment and another poster said Halak should play baseball over the summer so he can know how to catch something but a cold. This is what fans of the Blues are saying. Maybe you can start a post asking what Blues fans think and see.

  280. TomNickle says:

    2.63 GAA, .907 SV%

    We’re lucky we got Eller for him.  Would you like to know what Price’s stats are?  Or would that send you completely over the edge?

  281. TomNickle says:

    What’s Halak done for St.Louis?

    Eller is a rookie.  A rookie, get it?  He’s got nowhere to go but up.  Halak on the other hand has a tall order in front of him to go anywhere but down.  He’s proven this season that he’s a very good backup.

  282. Propwash says:

    How’s Halak working out for St. Louis?

    Tit for tat if you ask me.

  283. Bugs says:

    How do read “We gave up too much for him.” in THAT, Stormy, please?

    Link me what was said, not what you can pseudo-armchair magically infer, from what could be the Observer or the Tony or the Timo of that Board, yes?

    Gimme a SPELLED-OUT affirmation from a REAL St-Louian what said they TRULY BELIEVE they gave up too much for Halak.

    If you can, Stormy, please.

  284. TomNickle says:

    People don’t mind giving you more tools to dig your hole Sergio.  But you do all of the digging.

  285. Storm Man says:

    I hope that does not mean you will have to eat bullspit after… HFBoards is a good place to see what St-Louie fans have to say about Halak here is a little taste.”After seening Halak I am much less worried about Bishop’s rebound control then i was before”. Simpatico.

  286. Everlasting1 says:

    You on auto-playback?

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  287. Everlasting1 says:

    Out come the shovels.

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  288. TomNickle says:

    How bout Doug Armstrong?  You want his direct line?

  289. Everlasting1 says:

    His numbers will only improve. He’ll bounce back.

    Yes, Eller is another work in progress, much like the Habs.

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  290. Everlasting1 says:

    I realize that’s an incessant running theme with you. How’s AK doin’ on his contract year?

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  291. PrimeTime says:

    PG got more out of trading a goalie than any in recent memory. Eller is a 1st rounder that is a work in progress. Many in St.Lou think they gave up too much for Halak. I guess it depends on your perspective.

  292. Storm Man says:

    You must be lost again…. Back to the nerdherd you go and try and not get lost again thanks.

  293. Bugs says:

    If you have his number, that’s fine. I think we all recognize his voice. Call him. Get him to SAY IT.

    And send the clip over to HIO; I’m sure they would be delighted to post it for all to hear and I bet a lotta folks can’t wait for me to look a shmuck are rubbin their hands in anticipation.

    Sooo, when can we expect it to air?

  294. Bugs says:

    Link to someone in St-Louie thinks they gave up too much for Halak.

    Cuz I’m gonna go ahead and call bullspit on that if you don’t mind.

  295. TomNickle says:

    This is his first big contract year.  

    Halak played well in his and tons of injuries have come up since he got paid.  Not to mention mediocre goaltending at best.  I’m glad we traded a backup goalie for a future second line centre with a high celing of productivity.

    That pleases me as a Hab fan.  I’m sure it upsets you as a Leaf fan.

  296. observer says:

    i know little? so you think if price the way he was playing last year would have got the habs into the playoffs? let alone win one series of those first 2 against the 2 most potent teams in the league? son, you better look in the mirror!

  297. HardHabits says:

    You obviously don’t know the difference between RFA and arbitration eligible RFA. Not to mention 2 years of age.

  298. TomNickle says:

    Is was the operative word.  Being able to distinguish the past tense from the present tense is a big part of getting comprehension down pat.

  299. TomNickle says:

    Thank you for once again proving how narrow minded you are and how little you know about the game.

  300. Everlasting1 says:

    The salaries sez otherwise.

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  301. TomNickle says:

    Price and Halak’s play last season doesn’t factor into whether or not Halak’s play was the sole reason for success.  It wasn’t.  You can’t differentiate between the two.  Which only makes my comment about you more valid.

  302. Habfan29 says:

    100% agree

  303. HardHabits says:

    He wasn’t the sole reason Tony. He was a major reason for it yes.

    Nevertheless, Price is by far the better of the two and given the choice between the both of them Price was the better one.

  304. Mad Habber says:

    AK + Gomez = goals against

  305. oshawahabsfan says:

    How about:

    Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta

    Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Pacioretty

    Pouliot-Desharnais-White

    Darche-Halpern-Moen

    A proper fourth line, Moen does not belong anywhere near the top six, seriously Martin, come on! Some balance in offence between the other three lines without resorting to putting the pluggers there

     

  306. pmaraw says:

    im not sure i can handle this one anyways….

  307. G-Man says:

    RDS is major enough- just don’t listen to Benoit Brunet or you’ll have a brain cramp.

  308. Malreg says:

    I’m guessing it’s because the game only starts at 10 p.m eastern time, so less viewers.

  309. oshawahabsfan says:

    How is this game not televised by any of the major networks. I get Sportsnet, but it will be blacked out of course because I don’t live in B.C. These teams play twice a year, you’d think CBC or TSN would make this a priority game in their broadcast schedule. Way to drop the ball again…

  310. db says:

    Dont think that just because you’re in BC that you get to watch it.  The Canucks have a terrible habit of local blackouts coupled with Pay Per View games… it’s very frustrating and I can only imagine how much more so if I was a Canucks fan.

    Blame the Canucks on this one… premium games, especially on a Tuesday, are a big draw.  People aren’t going out to the bar tonight, so they suck it up and pay.  (which is the theme in this province)

  311. PrimeTime says:

    We see things differently, no argument here. AK is surely a bust and everyone can see that….he’s an ox with zero hockey intelligence. Gomez is a former champ who’s still knows how to play the game and would excel on a better team. If his salary was 3 or 4 mill a year he wouldn’t get the flack he’s receiving. But  if you want to draw names I’ll throw in Gionta, Gill, Markov, Gorges, Hammer, Halpern, Pleks who all lead by example.

  312. db says:

    Nice profile pic hehe

    and i looooove the beach, hope you’re at a hot one

  313. BeachHabFan says:

    like the Islanders or Oilers?

  314. TomNickle says:

    Gauthier’s 30 year plan on not winning a cup anywhere will turn into 31 right?

    Unreal.

  315. andrewberkshire says:

    I think everlasting1 is the only person left who thinks Halak is the next Roy. And I’m not sure batsh** crazy conspiracy theorists count.

  316. TomNickle says:

    Doesn’t make it any less funny.  Price’s ability to play the puck as taken this teams’ shots against total down by 25% – 30%.  But you won’t see that kind of comment from people who feel Jaro’s the next Roy.

  317. andrewberkshire says:

    I wouldn’t take two players off this team to replace them with half a player.

  318. HardHabits says:

    Moving Darche for Kovalev not worth it?????? Wow!!!

    The Habs could send Pyatt to the minors no?

  319. andrewberkshire says:

    No, we don’t. The Habs have the room to add a cap hit of 4.168M, under Kovalev’s salary. We’d have to move out a player making about Benoit Pouliot’s cash. Not worth it at all.

  320. HardHabits says:

    Of course the Habs have the cap room. As far as the ego department, that’s easy. Tell Gomez to shut up and play hockey.

  321. samTHEman says:

    switch pouliot and AK

  322. G-Man says:

    Yeah, JM has no clue- while you- 30000 miles from the club with no access- have all the answers. Don’t make me pass hot tea through my nose again. Fer Chrissakes!

     

  323. habs365 says:

    Is jm that stupid he still don’t know how to put two top lines together..when it comes to hockey I’m maybe 1/4 as smart as jm but I’ll help him out with his line combinations.

    1.  Max Pac   Pleks   Cammalleri

    2.  AK46   Desharnais   Gionta

    3.  Pouiliot   Gomez   Darche

    4.  Moen   Halpern   white

    Now you can change the 2nd and 3rd lines (Pouliot) for (AK46) if you want and (Halpern) for (Darche) if you want Maybe Gionta for Cammy what ever works..that’s our best combinations, if those combinations don’t work..this team is doomed, will make the playoffs but an early exit..stomp on me if you want..sick of watching a team going nowhere for the last 18 years….

  324. habstrinifan says:

    You must have a strong constitution. Hang on tight! Here comes all the posts like below.

  325. Displaced says:

    Actually, I forgot AK.  He should be on an upswing given his age and draft status.  The numbers trending down are a bad sign that he’s not going to make it here under JM. 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  326. Displaced says:

    I think Max developed in Hamilton rather than last year under JM at the NHL level.  In the AHL, he played top line minutes and getting developmental coaching.  He has benefitted from it and applied it well since he rerturned.  I think Eller would benefit in the minors as well.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  327. habs001 says:

    your correct on these players…maxpac and eller are the only ones that may have a significant scoring upside to what they have done so far in their careers..our only hope to become a top ten scoring team is subban,markov along with trades,free agents and some of our future prospects..the line up we have right now has been stuck in the mid 20 group in scoring since the beginning of last year. 

  328. Mattyleg says:

    Interesting breakdown, but I’m not really sure what you mean that MaxPac “didn’t develop with JM at the NHL level.”

    Which coach did he develop with at the NHL level? Bruce Boudreau? Pat Quinn?

    Max IS developing with JM at the NHL level, and to not give JM credit for that is a bit cheap, I think.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  329. Displaced says:

    Great analysis – thanks. 

    If you label each of the players on your list forwards as Upswing/Steady/Downswing (relative to their career numbers), it yields an interesting insight about our coach and/or his system.  Check it out.

    plecs (u) – improving, hard to give JM credit for Plecs’ development.  I would say he’s a workhorse who would have developed regardless of the coach (IMO).

    gionta (s) – near career average, no credit to JM/system

    camm (s) – down a little, hurt a little and very streaky

    maxpac (u) – improving greatly, Hamilton did wonders, didn’t develop with JM at the NHL level

    gomez (d) – hard to fault JM.  gomez’s career numbers are inflated by one big year

    pouliot (u) – should be on an upswing, but scores like his career numbers.  Not developing to his talent

    halpern (d) – plays his role, plays it well.  No insights about the system or JM

    darche (u) – I give JM, PG and the organization for taking the time to help develop Darche.  Could have done that with the younger SK, but SK’s attitude doesn’t fit this team as well as Darche’s does.

    moen (d) – playing to his career numbers.  shouldn’t be anywhere near any team’s top lines… whatever.

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  330. BJT says:

    To be honest, I think if Cammy was playing well (maybe a .33) and if we had ONE more player above .3 then we would be fine for scoring, and then if we have Markov and Gorges back everybody’s gpg probably goes up something like 0.05 and then there are the goals markov scores and assists on, so this really has proven that PGBG really DOES need to add 1 more good scorer.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry.. ‘Sub-BAM! What a hit!’ ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  331. observer says:

    Is this how you build a team? Only two scorers on your above list weres drafted by Gainey/Gauthier since 2003 – Pacioretti as well as Kostitsyn who may be soon out of here?

  332. habrez says:

    Carbo (45 years old when he coached the habs)?

    Julien (41 years old when he coached the habs)?

    Therrien (36 years old when he coached the Habs)?

    We have been getting progressively older coaches since 2000 but we all said 2 years ago that after Carbo lost the room and after all those party and mafia photos we needed a experienced coach to take control of the team. In his first year he took us to ECF. So lets hire Patrick Roy. 

  333. ManApart says:

    Could that be why PG never returned Larry Robinson’s phone calls last summer? He could just smell competency and ran from it. This old boys club running the Habs is completely counter productive. Guess who was hired director of hockey operations, last summer, by Gauthier? Pierre Boivin’s son. Almost no NHL experience. They let Julien Brisebois, who was GM of the bulldogs, walk, to join Steve Yzerman as an assistant in Tampa. Another bright hockey mind passed over. Enough is enough.

  334. habrez says:

    I forgot Vigneault who was also 35.

     

     

  335. Miltie01 says:

    Gauthier never got the call from Robinson, it was Boivin.

    It isn’t certain Larry was asking for a coaching job either, the report I read about it said he was asking for some type of ambassador job like Beliveau or Guy have.

    Just trying to keep the facts strait.

  336. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Same exact thing. Those are the two clowns I meant.

  337. observer says:

    Wasn’t “we” who shipped him to Tampa Bay – it was Gauthier protecting his Ottawa coach Martin’s job and his own job.

  338. Ron in Ottawa says:

    One day, the owners of les habs will have to make a tough decision: do they want to play the politically correct game of always having a francophone GM and coach or do they want to win? if they chose winning over politics, then they might look at someone like Muller to coach- if we don’t use him, we will lose him to another team. The same with the GM: do they find the best GM possible or do they stick with the francaphone first policy? i think that JM has shown with the Sens, with TB and now with the habs that he cannot get the best out of players. He tends to stifle creatvity and last year in the playoffs we saw the results. the habs were going nowhere until there was an internal revolt and Muller took over the offense. PG has make a few good moves but i do worry that he is a Bob Gainey clone and can only think within the box. I believe it is time for a major change.

  339. HabsFanInTampa says:

    We short-sightedly shipped that “young, dynamic coach” to the Gulf Coast of the Sunshine State.

  340. observer says:

    That coach is now in Tampa Bay. Patrick Roy a man with fire in his gut should be the GM. Opposite to these 2 old burned out near 60 year olds who have been running this team the last 8 years of mediocrity.

  341. Everlasting1 says:

    How’s Eller working out for you? You must be tickled pink with his winning season. Perhaps he’ll blossom into a potential trade bait, or simply mire in mediocrity.

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  342. observer says:

    Team played excellent in THE FIRST 2 roiunds of the playoffs but Halak was the sole reason they won 2 series. And by winning 2 games for every one they lost when he was in the nets compared to Price’s losing record behind the same team, Halak was the difference from making or missing last year’s playoffs. And all it would have taken to miss was ONE SINGLE POINT even though they did sneak in with 88 points the lowest points total to ever make the playoffs in this setup. Halak was ten at his highest value and Gauthier got nothing for him!

  343. Mr. Habs says:

    Halak played great but they all played as a team.

  344. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s a fairly easy thing to deduce.

  345. TomNickle says:

    Anyone else think they can pinpoint which posters feel Halak was the sole reason this team went to the Eastern Conference Finals last season and which ones think it was a team effort based on comments about this season?

  346. HardHabits says:

    Yes, yes. Gorges and Gill. Cammy’s goals. The system and the peripheral shots. Nevertheless the Habs had MVP goaltending. It can’t be denied. Sole reason. Hardly. Major reason. Pretty much undeniable.

  347. RGM says:

    This little string actually reminds of a joke…

    How can you tell someone’s a vegan?

    Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

    Go Habs Go!

  348. Propwash says:

    This place is awesome when the Habs are on a losing streak. Makes a long day at work much shorter.

  349. BeachHabFan says:

    have to disagree there – in December, every pundit was saying NJ was doomed w/ kovalchuk’s contract. now NJ is on a roll and nobody mentions it. I think the team’s success (such as it is) over the past 18 months proves you wrong, and if AK46, cammy, plekanec and gionta could get their acts together, gomez wouldn’t be a pariah. he’s an easy target but far from the only one, and IMO his contract is less a barrier to contending than bringing in a selfish floater like Kovy would be.

  350. Mr. Habs says:

    Why rent some players just to get one round of the playoffs?

  351. KenD29 says:

    Gomez @ -18, no wonder he’s an easy target.

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  352. Mattyleg says:

    (yawn)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  353. observer says:

    not martin but the gms who assembled this team of too many smurfs and only drafted and developed one big forward with ability – pacioretti.

  354. blu3chip says:

    Well, the argument was “Did Martin turn our team into a defensive team that can’t score”.

    Shots per game doesn’t give you the full picture, but it does give me some ground in saying our team isn’t that defensive oriented.

  355. observer says:

    Froom far out when in today’s game most goals are scored from right in front of the net and you need bigger forwards to get that job done.

  356. coachdoug says:

    I’m with ya man…Bandwagon blew out a tire or two and several have fallen off hard…so much whining to do and so little time. Coach’s system blah blah blah…need big forwards blah blah blah…get Brad Richards (who has a concussion now) blah blah blah…shoulda kept Halak blah blah blah….Plekanec sucks and we should trade him blah blah blah…Martin is killing the kids blah blah blah…

    The season isn’t over yet…plenty of hockey left to go.  No doubt the offense is sputtering. The D is playing poorly. The team is slumping like all teams do in the season.  

    I am amazed the Habs have done what they have done given the injuries on the blueline and Cammy’s injury and goal slump. I think Martin is getting everything out of the team he can.  

    I do think size up front is an issue but that must be fixed via draft and the farm and maybe some trades, free agency. We won’t solve it this year so the team has to find a way to win like all other teams in the league…

    Get to the playoffs and anything can actually happen…

  357. punkster says:

    Gonna throw this down early and get it out of the way. Here goes:

    I read a lot of comments on here in support of calling this season a failure, dumping players for picks, going for a low finish to get a high draft pick and essentially giving up this year. I find this distasteful. If you advocate “tanking” you’re suggesting the Habs lose on purpose. You’re suggesting they throw games and throw the season. You’re believe this is the right thing to do because the team will be better in the long run.

    I’ve seen some pretty fantastic comments about tanking. One even suggested that “surrender” was acceptable because you could excuse it as a “temporary retreat” while you build up again. Well here’s a bit of news; this isn’t a war, it’s a game. Lives aren’t at stake based on wins and losses. The only things at stake are pride and its symbol, a silver cup. If the only way to win that cup is to cheat, and make no mistake throwing games or a season is cheating, then you don’t deserve that honour.

    I personally find it disheartening and even disgusting when people advocate tanking. It was a cute joke last season and we many of us had fun with it, me included. Look, we’re a bubble team in a league full of bubble teams and very few powerhouses. By all means, trade to gain strength now if you can. Move out deadwood if you can replace it with guys who can bring us something now. But for heaven’s sake don’t advocate cheating please.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  358. Bugs says:

    I want you to find my reply to Timo this mornin on yesterday’s page with the blind worms.

    Will you do that for me now, please?

    And then maybe give me your…ahem, new and improved thoughts on the matter?

    Thanks.

    (As for tanker-mocking, you know I’m with you all across the board.)

  359. Displaced says:

    Punkster, I respect your postings around here and appreciate what you bring to HIO.  So take the following rebuttal as a starting point for a balanced discussion.

     

    It’s a very broad statement to equate trading current value for future value as “cheating”.  If you accept trading a second round pick for Wiz, then one could argue that’s “cheating” because you’re stealing from the future to win in the present.

    I agree that trading veterans early in the season for future assets destroys the potential for a current season and is arguable distasteful.  But that’s a tough argument to make 75% of the way in.  At this point, GMs should realistically know the potential of their team to succeed in the playoffs.  I use the word succeed intentionally because each team has a different definition.  For teams in marginal markets with limited financial resources or a lack of historical success, they might trade future for current to appease a skittish fan base and make a few extra bucks with a couple of playoff home dates.

    For teams like Montreal, we settle for long playoff runs and expect Cups.  Early this year, we had a shot at joining the elite.  We may even have been part of it.  Injuries and the December slump ended that.  Now, PG knows what are 2010/11 season probably looks like.  Everyone from your least favorite HIO poster to Arpon and Boone have made the same statement.  It’s not our year.  To many, that appears to be the sad reality.  It probably is the sad reality for PG as well. 

    Now, I’m not saying he should do what Burke did in Toronto.  He built a team when he arrived two years ago.  Then traded players he described as core to his “vision” within two years – Versteeg, Beachemin, rumors about Kessel.

    With all due respect to M Gauthier — in his role as Assistant GM — he brought in very few players on the current roster.  If HE (not us fans) decides that AK, Gomez, Cammi, Gionta, and others are not part of his long term vision than he should move them for future assets.  According to Bob McKenzie, the trade market is as hot as it’s been post-lock out and teams are desperate to add players to chase their version of “success”.   A quality GM take this opportunity to remold his team so help our long wishful fans enjoy our success.

    That’s not “tanking”.  It’s not reprehensible.  It’s good, thoughtful business. 

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  360. habs-hampton says:

    not to mention the fact that its too late to start tanking. We’d still accidently win a few games and end up with 77-78 points. No lottery pick there.

  361. Displaced says:

    No disagreement at all.  Throwing games is awful and the league can’t stand for it.

    In fact, I recall the Pens and Devils being equally ending the 1983/84 season.  Up for grabs Super Mario vs. Very Good Muller. With due props to Capt. Kirk, no contest.  Also, no lottery.  They both sucked, but Pittsburgh seemed to lose every game with very little effort while NJ gave full effort and just couldn’t overcome their severe lack of talent.  That was disgusting.

    The much discussed tanking prompted, in part, the NHL to institute a lottery system a few years later.  No team should ever do that.  And, we shouldn’t write off any season.  But, like you said, a team can’t live exclusively in the present and I want to enjoy a Cup in the not-distant future.   

    Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  362. SmartDog says:

    That’s a good point. If the trade market is so damn hot, PG should be able to get some return on some assets that we’d rather be rid of.  If some team needs a second or third line center and has cap room for the next decade, I know just the guy.  But even for AK, if this is the best time to trade him than do it.  Or Pyatt.. or Moen… or.  The Habs do have guys that could help other teams and while they contribute here, they’re nothing special and lately (for all of the above) not performing.

  363. punkster says:

    Don’t see where we could possibly have a disagreement Dis. My rant, the bee under my bonnet so to speak, is with losers, giver-uppers, those who advocate throwing games or the season simply to get higher draft picks. I have no issues with teams trading to build. That’s part of the game. Dumping to lose? Another story altogether, wouldn’t you agree? Now there may be a fine line between the two but I doubt you would advocate purposely losing, would you? Na, didn’t think so.

     

    ***Subbang!!!***

  364. r says:

    I agree with your comment about switching ak46 for halpern, but this is another example of Jacques martin continually picking on AK, Yes AK46 has not been playing that great but so has the whole team, especially Gomez who gets rewarded by getting to play with gionta and pacioretty.

    In defense of Andrei Kostitsyn, ever since AK was taking off the line with pleks and cammy (beginning of the year), it has been down hill.

    If you recall the reason he was taking off was to help gionta who was in a slump, it worked, unfortunately at the expense of AK46. Since that point and Martin comments “Andrei is playing well because he is in a contract year” AK has not been himself. Everyone is quick to criticize at AK but nobody asked why he is not playing up to his potential. The answer is Jacques Martin, I do not know what he has against ak46, maybe it stems back to AK brother but as a coach Jacques should think about the team before himself. It seems he is trying to sabotage AK career. AK is a very skilled hockey player who needs positive reinforcement and made to feel he is an important part of the team. Jacques took him off the top line and has been player top center man and wingers and getting minimal power play time.

    It is very sad that we will probably loss him and he will be a star on another team, like many other players

     

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  365. twocents says:

    I had the same thought. The Gomez and Desharnais lines have played in those configurations before. This isn’t as radical as it’s being made to seem.

     

  366. wmarcello says:

    Are Martin’s lines for tonight really that crazy? The linked article sure thinks so.

    Halpern – Pleks – Cammy
    Gionta – Gomez – Pacioretty
    White – Desharnais – Pouliot
    AK – Eller – Moen

    Personally I find it a lot less crazy than having Moen on the 2nd line with Gomez. Really though, the Gomez and Desharnais lines have been tried before with some success. If you swap Halpern and AK you’ve got one of the most logical lineups Martin could put out there.

  367. SmartDog says:

    When Martin was hired people said “oh no, we’re going to have a defensive team that can’t score goals”.  But other people said “don’t panic – look at the Ottawa Senators under Martin who were always near the top of the league in goals for”. 

    Were the nay-sayers right about Martin?  Or do we just not have the offensive players to score goals and make Martin’s system work?  Especially with our injuries, there is plenty of reason to be concerned about this team at BOTH ends of the ice.

    Another scary thing that leaps to mind when I think of Martin’s Senators is that Lalime was very good some games with great protection and then other games seemed to be totally hung out to dry.  Kinda seems familiar….

     

  368. blu3chip says:

    Shots per game: 33.0, 4th in the league.

  369. habs001 says:

    last year we had trouble scoring goals and from last years team we lost over 35 goals(metro,ak74,moore,mab). looking at our line up and their current goal per game stats and career goal per game stats this team will never be a top 10 scoring line up…should be better than 25th.

       career goals per game                   goals per game 2010-2011 season

    plecks                             .26                                                           .32

    gion                                .33                                                           .35

    camm                              .36                                                           .28

    maxpac                           .06                                                            .33

    ak46                               .27                                                            .22

    gomez                            .20                                                            .12

    pouliot                            .23                                                            .22

    halpern                           .18                                                             .15

    darche                             .1                                                             .17

    moen                               .06                                                           .05 

    eller,dd not included…also pyatt whose stats need many decimal points on the calculator

  370. observer says:

    Either way – the blame lies upstairs with Martin’s former GM at Ottawa who as Red Fisher said hired Martin here. OR Gainey and Gauthier over 8 years did a horrendous job of drafting and developing scoring talent. The buck stops there for either or both problems.

  371. Shiloh says:

    I would love to see a young, dynamic coach and GM take over Les Boys.

  372. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I’m wearing my co-worker’s wife’s hot-pink, very tight fitting Flames jersey all day at the office today.  As if sitting in arctic temperatures watching the Habs get trounced wasn’t enough.

    The boys owe me this one tonight!!

  373. observer says:

    in gaineys reappearance this weekend he stated “size may be important during the season but not the playoffs” obviously defending how he and old loser gauthier built this team. BTW- Halak was the only reason they even got to the playoffs last year and as far as they got!

  374. Bugs says:

    We “stood close to zero of doing anything significant in the playoffs” last year too…

    To be fair to your recap though, I LOVE your last sentence. Not afraid to go out on a limb; I respect that.

  375. adamkennelly says:

    this team still depseprately needs some size up front and toughness front and back.  Before the recently made moves which saw TB, Bos and Pit improve – the East was up for grabs – without some fairly significant changes – this team stands close to zero chance of doing anything significant in the playoffs. 

    Its gonna cost PG some high picks or prospects to get what he needs – we have huge injury holes – not cheap to fill – so you either go for it, or you wait till next year.  I think we’ll find out between now and Feb 28th – where this version of the Habs stand.

     

     

  376. Habnofear says:

    It was obvious last summer that this Team was a very bad mix and EVERY ONE across Canada and in the whole wide world knew the Habs were two small and that this would lead to a major break down.The only people that didn’t see it coming was a majority of fans on this site ,lol….And they were downright rude about it ! Calling anyone with a clue as to the problems with the team a Troll and then bantering off stats to give themselves  a so called argumentative edge….WELL THE TIME’S ARE A CHANGING,EH!  lol Now what’s everybody gonna do call the few who are still wearing Rose coloured glasses ,are they Trolls ?lol

    It’s simple Everybody is too blame for this team…EVERYONE!  1)The Molson Brothers  bought the team for money and ego and forgot about Pride and their money tree (the fans)  2)Gauthier,got the reins from Gainey and sat on his thumbs and watched OTHER TEAMS that really knew about NHL hockey get way better    3)Coaches   are guilty for going along and even now not admitting this does not work!   4) The players  …most of them should be in the KHL. They ARE NOT THE CALABER OR QUALITY  to wear Les Tricolour!  5) The fans for not speaking up and being SO BLIND!

  377. Mad Habber says:

    Hey I’m curious…were you one of the ones that the Leafs were heading in the right direction during the off-season? I mean there were alot of fans on here screaming, Gauthier is doing nothing, while Burke is improving his team. Well one of those improvements has been dealt already and the other has been on the IR so long he hasn’t been a factor.

    I’ll admit, it worries me a bit when the Habs play a game like they did on Sunday; but let’s not forget that the teams d-core has been hit hard be injuries. Over the course of the last 4 or 5 games they’ve played with 3 defensemen that where in the AHL or lower last year, and a sometimes an additional 7th defenseman. Besides the Leafs and Islanders they’ve also played very close games against some of the better teams in the league.

    I will say Gomez and Kostitsyn as much as I know it bothers some to admit it have been real let downs over the past couple of weeks (on and off all season really). Some says it’s unfair to blame them but those are two guys that are being counted on to produce and they are not getting it done. In fact they’ve hurt the team when they are on the ice together…glad to see that Martin has finally broken them up…at least for the start of the game.

  378. Shiloh says:

    I agree that we are building – and that we have some great young parts. That’s why the Gomez deal sticks out like a sore thumb. It not only hamstrung us for the foreseeable future, it cost us a valuable young defenceman as well (Ryan McDonagh – our former 1st round pick). It made no sense when it happened and it makes no sense now.

    I don’t know if the heavily-leveraged Molson’s can afford to bury that contract in the minors – it doesn’t seem likely. That’s why the only sane move for now is to grab some cheap rental talent (Kovalev) and try to win at least a round of the playoffs. Kovalev would make our power play dangerous – and he can score in shoot-outs.

    We can’t really look to contend while Gomer’s contract is on the books.

  379. PrimeTime says:

    We do have some good young players playing now that are gaining valuable experience, They are also learning how to be pros from some vet players. We have more good young players in the system that are only a 2-3 years away. We don’t have to “tank” or “cheat” to get better but every successful builds from within and we are doing that. When the time is right those players will get added supported as needed. That is how you build and maintain some competitiveness.

    But if anyone thought this was anything more than another building year was wrong. Sure the team got off too a decent start, JM was surely a Jack Adams candidate cuz the team was winning on his system alone. When it is played properly it works. Muller or Boucher wouldn’t make this team better. Boucher has an offensive minded team as he coaching to his teams strenghts. JM is coaching to his teams strengths which is defense. JM hasn’t cost us games….in fact properly won a few more because of his coaching. Is he the coach of the future? No. But he has done well with some of our youth…Price, Pac, PK have all improved this year; DD is getting plenty of ice time; Eller probably should be in Hamilton but injuries have prevented that so he too is learning the hard way but with low expectations….nothing wrong with that. Pleks is a good example of taking a skilled player and making him a very good 2 way player.

    I agree our team needs more balance of offense and defense but we are not there yet. When we are then perhaps JM will not be the best fit…we’ll see. But for now he is playing with the cards he has and has done pretty well. When the boys execute the system it works. It’s the only way this team can win and as JM says in the Hickey article, hopefully the players will get back to that game soon.

     

     

  380. LA Loyalist says:

    I think you’ve made a crucial point – by accident, perhaps.

    What are the kids learning from AK and Gomez? Once you get the big contract you can coast?

    I’d rather have 22 rookies thrilled out of their minds to be wearing the jersey and let the chips fall.

     

  381. Habfan29 says:

    yes Halak was the only reason we got as far as we did, just like winning the cup in 86 and 93 because of Roy, so what is your point……..

  382. observer says:

    this was an 88 point team. and halak was the ONLY reason. roy was not te only reason habs won those years were they that bad as 88 points.

  383. Miltie01 says:

    Go ahead, suggest a blockbuster that we can do……..

  384. observer says:

    can’t be fixed with a bandaid after all their bungling for 8 years. but right now he should make a creative or blockbuster trade. like pollock used to. like other teams do in todays game.

  385. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s exactly what it is, and no more. The only thing I don’t like about two anthem games is the extra minute it takes before puck drop.

  386. Bugs says:

    Even when they see with their own eyes…

  387. punkster says:

    Yep…caught that. But I think he caught you Bugs. I read it as a tongue-in-cheek poke. But then I tend to read things differently sometimes, as you well know. Maybe just my typical rose-coloured glasses view of life but I tend to see the good in most people. (Well, apart from Kadhafi and a few other notables).

    ***Subbang!!!***

  388. TomNickle says:

    Are you that certain in those odds when the difference between the 10th and 11th teams could be one shootout or overtime goal?

    Trends are made to be broken.

  389. HardHabits says:

    People say that if you make the playoffs you have a chance to win the Cup.

    History (since the Conference format was introduced) has shown us that a top 5 team has a 90% chance of winning the Cup. As well, this history has shown us that a top 10 team has a 10% chance of winning the Cup. The same history lesson shows us that a team that isn’t in the top 10 might make the finals but has 0% chance of winning the Cup.

    I don’t like those odds.

    If the Habs didn’t have all these injuries they had a chance at making it to the top 5. Now, at least they way they’ve been playing, they don’t even look like they’ll make the top 10.

    What’s the point in making short term moves that weaken the team moving forward?

    I don’t see any value in it.

    The only move I would condone at this time is acquiring Kovalev simply because he’s an UFA at year’s end, he’d more than likely turn it up for his last hurrah and he’d come cheap.

  390. andrewberkshire says:

    We don’t have the cap space for Kovalev, let alone the room in the ego department.

  391. Say Ash says:

    Hamhuis and Ballard back in tonight. That’s nice.

  392. observer says:

    over/under? how about van is 1 to 2 fav over habs!

  393. ABHabsfan says:

    Waaaay under, like 5min tops

  394. BJT says:

    Over!

    Wait for it…

    wait for it…

    7:11!

    It’s gonna happen, I can feel it.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry.. ‘Sub-BAM! What a hit!’ ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  395. Bugs says:

    Over/under TOI for AK-Eller-Moen line: 7:10.5

    Call it.

  396. TomNickle says:

    Is it so far fetched for people to consider that both anthems were played because the NHL has teams in these countries.  They don’t have teams in Sweeden, Finland, Russia, etc. 

    I don’t expect our anthem to be played in the KHL.

     

  397. andrewberkshire says:

    Can everyone stop crying about the American anthem being played at the Heritage Classic now? The Canadian anthem was played at the Winter Classic, it was that way by design. Before ranting and raving about some imaginary slight, imagine how much people like Gomez, Gionta, Pacioretty, Halpern, Wisnwieski, Mara and Gill appreciated it.

    It’s fine to be annoyed by the political policies of the USA, but the irrational hatred of anything American is pathetic.

  398. ManApart says:

    Right on, the Habs will never become contenders under these two. There is an overwhelming body of evidence showing that these guys have failed. 7 years is long enough. They must be fired at season’s end.  Many people are saying this team is not a contender, so we shouldn’t make any trades. Well, I say why the hell aren’t we? Gainey’s 5 year plan is only 2 years over due and we’re still not there? I could see this 2 years ago, and the rest of you, who can’t, better wake up. This thing can easily go another 7 years, without anything much different than the last.

  399. PeterD says:

    And I learned my lessons watching the rising and fading of Guy Lafluer career…it hurts when our beloved heros are shown to mere mortals…

    “And Scott Gomez is still missing. He’s the original hole in the donut. The place where odd-man rushes go to die.” Jack Todd

  400. blu3chip says:

    Like Higgins, Komi and Lappy.

    Will this coach/GM ever learn??!!

  401. blu3chip says:

    zomg bring out the panic button!

    Oh wait you have pressed it 5 months ago.

  402. Malreg says:

    Do we have a potentially elite puck moving defenseman to offer Dallas that would be better than Goligoski?  The only one I can think of is Subban, and he isn’t going anywhere.

  403. 123456 says:

    can you offer a suggested moce the GM should make?

  404. observer says:

    Dallas slashes almost $4.4 million of salary(Neal and Niskanen) for each of 2 years in return from Pittsburgh of $1.8 million (Gologuski) of salary for each of 2 years in the exchange of three RFAs in two seasons. And as usual Habs two brilliant olde GMs do no such things! Habs currently have lost 6 of their last 7.

  405. Mr. Habs says:

    Since 1992, the Habs have been going through Head Coaches every 3 years. Martin has one yr left then.

  406. Le Jadester says:

    Still can’t believe Jack Martin wasn’t wearing a hat at the HC ?

  407. oshawahabsfan says:

    Unfortunately I don’t have RDS. I figured an all-Canadian matchup like this would allow me to view the game on TV instead of my laptop, ah well…

  408. Habfan29 says:

    oyy yoy yoy (Sp)

  409. PeterD says:

    Wow!  A lot of love in the HIO today.

    Love for the Habs team and franchise is one thing…but love for particular players is really messy.

    Players come and go every year, no player is ever bigger than the team itself and if we fall in love with a player we are surely setting ourselves up for heartache and disapointment when they get traded, play poorly, retire, get hurt, or simply move on with their life and leave us behind with our heartache that they aren’t staying with our team forever.

    As far as I’m concerned every player and coach for that matter, on the current Habs roster is tradeable for the right asset mix…we all know this is a business and that is why we should never get too attached to any particular player at the expense of the team overall.

    “And Scott Gomez is still missing. He’s the original hole in the donut. The place where odd-man rushes go to die.” Jack Todd

  410. Le Jadester says:

    Very well said Peter Dee !  Keep on rockin’ in the free world !

    I still haven’t recovered from the whole Patty R. fiasco. Still working hard on the road to recovery though. Mind you, I was so much younger and naive back then. Live and learn as they say.

    Habs, OLE !

  411. Bugs says:

    Expectations WERE set. They can’t be set now because our D has been absolutely gutted and only a fool would expect the same result as last year with half the d-corps gone.

    ONE series win, I believe, will be enough to consider the season a success.

    If we get Iginla, Neil, Bogosian and Phillips before the deadline though, I may revise that position.

  412. adamkennelly says:

    I agree….but expectations are now set…acurately or not….if we win 1 series – it will be considered a failure this year – last year it would have been a success.

    lets be honest folks – if PG does nothing between now and Feb 28th – he is waving the flag for this year, in my opinion.

    at this rate – we may be premature talking about playoffs.

     

    P.S. Mr. Gainey – size definitely matters in the playoffs – or did you not watch the Philly series.

     

     

  413. habsfan reduxit says:

    Hi,

    … with today’s revelation that Gary Bettman is ‘pleased’ that Don Cherry has renewed his contract with HNIC, I wonder which league president/commissioner you think is or was the best. Since I was born in 1946 and brought up with Clarence Campbell, I’ll start with him. Here are your choices:

    Gary Bettman (1993-present)

    Gil Stein (1992-1993)

    John Ziegler (1977-1992)

    Clarence Campbell (1946-1977)

    … my choice I guess, would be the least harmful of the bunch, and that would be Gil Stein.

     

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  414. BJT says:

    I think that the confusion comes (for good reason) from us having Halpern on the *shudder* first line. Gahh, it pains me to even SAY it.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry.. ‘Sub-BAM! What a hit!’ ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  415. The Cat says:

    The Cat’s Tail O’ The Tape: Habs are 15-7-1 on 1 day off and 5-4-2 on Tuesdays. Vancouver are 9-2-1 on 2 days off and 6-2-1 on Tuesdays.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.


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