Tinordi in lineup, Weber out for Jets game

Jarred Tinordi, called up from the AHL on Wednesday, will be in the lineup Thursday night when the Canadiens face the Jets in Winnipeg (8 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

After Thursday’s morning skate, Michel Therrien told reporters that Yannick Weber will be a healthy scratch to make room for the 6-foot-6, 205-pound Tinordi. The coach added that Gabriel Dumont could replace Jeff Halpern in the lineup, but that it would be a game-time decision.

Carey Price will start in goal.

“I think I’ll be playing with Frankie (Bouillon),” Tinordi told reporters after the morning skate. “We’ve played together before so it should go well tonight.”

The players missing from the optional morning skate were Max Pacioretty, Brian Gionta, Michael Ryder, Rene Bourque, Brandon Prust and David Desharnais.

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Game Preview: Canadiens vs. Jets, canadiens.com

Where they stand: current playoff matchups, NHL.com

Tinordi gets a second look, by Dave Stubbs

Habs know they need to play tougher, by Dave Stubbs

Jets fight to stay alive against Canadiens, NHL.com

Therrien an optimist despite latest loss, by Pat Hickey

Serge Savard weighs in on struggling Habs, by Stu Cowan

Things to build on, canadiens.com

Canadiens vs. Devils photo gallery

Road to NHL went through Ville-Emard for Marc Bergevin, J.J. Daigneault and Mario Lemieux, by Brenda Branswell

Former Hab Begin a nominee for Masterton Trophy, by Stu Cowan



  1. Sportfan says:

    Go Habs Go right?

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    • habsmanagementzero says:

      Increasing Habs winning probability -How to win in the playoffs:

      1)Big physical defense presence is crucial in playoffs.These pairings will work.PK and Tinordi./Bouillion Georges
      2)Need “reflex goalie(Budaj)”;NOT a position goalie with slow lateral movement(Price).Making this move will take guts.
      3)Going with a new line.Switch Pacioretty to RIGHT wing(it worked for the Rocket-it will work for Pacioretty) so he can go hard to the net on his backhand.and use his body for position.Linemates should be Plekanic and Gallagher. This line will have a high probability of success as Pacioretty gets it to the net via a good Plekanic pass and Gallagher crashes the crease.

      I previously a few days ago stated that Tinordi HAD TO BE CALLED UP-Thank you for bringing him up.
      I can break down any team and devise attack plans that exploit their weaknesses.Did this for a long time at lower levels.
      Canadiens can be winners but it will take a lot of gutsy unconventional,creative moves at this point to get there.

      Below I posted a few days ago!

      At last the habs are listening to me. My comments were: 1)Bring up Tinordi.At 6 feet 7 inches he takes up-by definition- a lot of space.He should be told to be aggresive especially in FRONT OF THE NET.The front of the net should be a BATTLE FOR POSITION.You can move people out without causing penalties by BATTLING FOR POSITION! 2) BENCH PRICE.I am sorry to say this but Price does not have the skill level that will allow you win in the playoffs.I continually hear bizarre statements with regard to making excuses for Price. Bottom line:He is now the 52nd best goalie in the NHL statistically and even worse from the way he plays.Do you seriously think that when the playoffs start Price will magically become a great goalie???? NO CHANCE! 6 years of stats shows he is who he is.The trend is unfortuantely your friend-or lack thereof.
      At least with BUdaj if he gets hot he is virtually unscoreable on.Price flops consistently ,is consistently not square to the shooter,does not come out to challenege the shooter when neccessary to cut the angle,and is very slow laterally.His stick also comes up off the ice to allow numerous 5 hole goals.Off course all these skills are mediated by the brain.I cant give Price a brain transplant……..like I said after 6 years he is who he is…(7-15 in the playoffs).

  2. pmaraw says:

    just saw these 2 tweets

    John Bartlett ‏@BartsBytes 5m
    For #Habs fans, 85-86 was 3-6-1 in last 10 and 4-8-1 in last 13 game, with a 6 game losing streak. 92-93 was 2-1-2 in last 5, 4-4-2 in 10.

    And just for fun, in 92-93 Patrick Roy ended regular season losing 5 straight, allowing 21 goals. And was 1-7 in final 8 with .858%. #Habs

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Do we see a repeat coming?

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • Sportfan says:

      That’s good news!

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • kalevine says:

      2009 ruined that..they exitd the playoffs as ignominiously as they entered them, and gave rise to Gainey’s promise of acquiring a big center only to end up engaging 3 munchkins and relegating the team to the “too small” category for another half decade and counting

    • habsmanagementzero says:

      “pmarawAPRIL 25, 2013 AT 3:11 PM
      just saw these 2 tweets

      John Bartlett ‏@BartsBytes 5m
      For #Habs fans, 85-86 was 3-6-1 in last 10 and 4-8-1 in last 13 game, with a 6 game losing streak. 92-93 was 2-1-2 in last 5, 4-4-2 in 10.”

      And just for fun, in 92-93 Patrick Roy ended regular season losing 5 straight, allowing 21 goals. And was 1-7 in final 8 with .858%. #Habs

      PLEASE PMARAW-Do not ever,EVER Compare Patrick Roy who won a Stanley Cup in his first year,and his 6th year and single handidly won many games for the habs to Carey Price who has won nothing,and has NEVER EVER single handidly won a game for the habs.PLEASE!!!!

  3. goleafsgo says:

    Haha Colby Armstrong. Habs are gonna get SMOKED by the Leafs in round 1. Les Poo Blanc Et Rouge are all smoke and mirrors. THE PRICE IS WRONG BITCHES!!!

  4. Steeltown Hab says:

    I laugh that the best argument people use to support Armstrong over others for the 4th line is that he’s a non-factor. Doesn’t hurt us defensively and that the role of a 4th liner is to eat clock essentially.

    I understand the value of a 4th liner, but it’s hard minutes, wearing down the opponent, strong fore check, responsible defensively and the odd goal to spark the team.

    Dumont brings all that over Armstrong IMO


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  5. Alex_425 says:

    Kinda wondering why that morning skate remained optional, considering the little slump we’re in right now….

    But I’m no expert….

  6. BrianSkrudland says:

    Great news to share with you folks! The final touches on my time machine are now complete.

    Temper your excitement a bit, because despite the Hall of Famers and other assorted legends that I could have selected to ride shotgun in my souped-up Cadillac; I have elected to bring back Lyle Odelein (1993-94 vintage).

    79 Games Played; 11 Goals; 29 Assists; 40 Points; 276 Penalty Minutes; and, +8

    Despite his ugly mug, he was a real beauty!

    Daily recommendations for April 25
    Song of the Day: They Reminisce Over You (Pete Rock & CL Smooth)
    Movie of the Day: The Departed

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      A Lyle Odelein or Donald Dufresne would do very nicely right now. I was kind of hoping that Dalton Thrower might become a Lyle Odelein 2.0, maybe with a better offensive sense, especially because he models his game after Kevin Bieksa’s, but he’s had a really tough year so far.

  7. habsfan0 says:

    I believe MT wants Tinordi to be a “physical presence” during the game(s) he is in. I’m not familiar with Tinordi’s stats in Hamilton. Does anyone know if he was a heavy hitter with the Bulldogs as Emelin was with the Habs?

  8. pmaraw says:

    What I want to know is, are we gonna let someone not in a habs jersey grace the cover of NHL 14? I won’t be.
    or on twitter put #NHL14Subban or #NHL14Desharnais

    • Cal says:

      Every player on that cover has gone on to a crap year. Let Letang be on the cover.

      • pmaraw says:

        Kane was on it when they won the cup, toews the year before.

        • Loonie says:

          Don’t they select a bunch of different players and then put them on the cover according to the region the game is to be sold in?

          Lupul in Toronto, Price in Montreal, Nash in New York, Quick in Los Angeles. That kinda thing?

          • pmaraw says:

            Well, they have sleeves that they give out, but they don’t come with the game. You have to get them from autograph sessions and promotions like that. So maybe if Habs win it all and Prust brings the cup to London, I might be able to get one…

          • Loonie says:

            Haha. K.

            I always see these cover guys and then when I’m out and about and I go to a mall where they’re selling the game I see somebody other than the winner on the cover.

          • pmaraw says:

            well, what I really want is a Gazette Sponsor’d HIO team

  9. alfieturcotte says:

    I would sit Gorges and play Weber tonight.

  10. jedimyrmidon says:

    There’s a clip on NHL.com showing the games tonight. One of the games: Pens vs. Devils.

    What clips are shown for both teams? Devils scoring on Habs. Pens scoring on Habs.

    Habs being in a slump really sucks.

  11. Seps says:

    This just in, Kristo announced as playing for the US in WHC upcoming.

  12. Skeptical says:

    Barring an up sit. Pittsburgh and Chicago for the cup

  13. arcosenate says:

    Just because I am hungover I need to say this:

    Imagine our defence with Ryan McDonough on it, thanks Bob, helluva move.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      LOL Sadly you are correct.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Habsrule1 says:

      But on the other hand, without that trade, we never would have had someone who was so good in the room for the last couple years.

      We all make mistakes, but that was a pretty bad one lol

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      The way I am able to stomach it is that we traded McDonaugh for Galchenyuk.

      Does wonders 😉

    • aroma says:

      Starting with the abysmal Chelios trade years back, Habs brass have specialized in misjudging talent on defence for years. Brisebois when they could have had Robidas. Sylvain Lefebvre. Jyrkki Lumme. List goes on and on. But other than the Chelios trade, looks like the McDonough trade was the worst. I could be wrong, but that deal had Gauthier’s fingerprints on it.

      • kalevine says:

        that chelios trade cost us at least one cup I would say. It helped the Bruins run roughshod over the Habs and take them the next few years in the playoffs.

  14. BrianSkrudland says:

    I am praying to my Hockey Gods (Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic) that Eller and/or Gallagher exact some revenge on that punk, Kadri, on Saturday night.

    Daily recommendations for April 25
    Song of the Day: They Reminisce Over You (Pete Rock & CL Smooth)
    Movie of the Day: The Departed

    • Kooch7800 says:

      It was mentioned below. In my opinion someone needs to go after Kadri. he thinks he is tough. What better way to rattle his confidence when he is going after gallagher that someone else goes after him.

      I was kind of disappointed with how the habs responded in that game. They just let people take runs at a rookie who plays with more heart that 80% of the team with no push back.

      Earlier in the year that didn’t happen

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      ps. good song recommendation. That was a classic back in the day

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Your Hockey Gods don’t include a Hab player?
      For shame.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • BrianSkrudland says:

        Saku and Skrudland are my boys (maybe throw Ryan Walter in there as well), but Stevie Wonder and Super Joe, to me, represented pure perfection on the ice. I loved the way those dudes played the game and delivered the goods.

        Daily recommendations for April 25
        Song of the Day: They Reminisce Over You (Pete Rock & CL Smooth)
        Movie of the Day: The Departed

  15. Chilly Willy says:

    When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
    When the road you’re trudging seems all uphill,
    When the funds are low and the debts are high,
    And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
    When care is pressing you down a bit,
    Rest, if you must, but don’t you quit.

    Life is queer with its twists and turns,
    As every one of us sometimes learns,
    And many a failure turns about,
    When he might have won had he stuck it out;
    Don’t give up though the pace seems slow–
    You may succeed with another blow.

    Often the goal is nearer than,
    It seems to a faint and faltering man,
    Often the struggler has given up,
    When he might have captured the victor’s cup,
    And he learned too late when the night slipped down,
    How close he was to the golden crown.

    Success is failure turned inside out–
    The silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
    And you never can tell how close you are,
    It may be near when it seems so far,
    So stick to the fight when you’re hardest hit–
    It’s when things seem worst that you must not quit.


  16. Habsrule1 says:

    I believe!

    That is all.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  17. Steeltown Hab says:

    Please ice this lineup for just one game.

    Ryder – Plekanec – Gionta
    Pacioretty – Eller – Bourque
    Prust – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
    Moen – Halpern – Dumont/White


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Luke says:

      White is suspended and unavailable.
      And I doubt he’s playing in the Playoffs. He can Hang out with Orr and McLaren and talk about how fighting is part of the game.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Totally missed this, when did White get suspended, I apologize to all for this being redundant to all others.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          he got five games for a hit where the player actually pulled back and didn’t help his own cause. It actually was more like 6 games as it was in the first few minutes of the game


          Dustin brown who is a dirty player elbows someone in the face intentionally and gets two games. There is no bias in the NHL. Shanny is the same as any other clone in that position

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Luke says:

          You were drunkenly golfing while we were here holding down the fort as the team tailspun (tailspinned?) from 2nd all the way to fourth (with no option to stop at third).

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        I know he`s suspended, just more so when the lineup is available, I`d bet he plays at least a game during the playoffs. I would never put him in the same category as Orr or McLaren, he can skate.


        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • habs-fan-84 says:


        • Luke says:

          I dunno, I like him, but until he adds something else to his game I think he eats hotdogs with Orr and McLaren.
          He’s not a Heavyweight goon like they are… but he’s sure not a capable everyday player (yet) like Asham or TooToo or Armstong or Moen. I need a little more ‘game’ from him.

          Though he did see time on the PK, so y’never know. Too bad he was in the box at critical times…

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Armstrong is one of the slowest guys in the league, doesn`t hit, doesn`t drop the gloves. What does he actually do well. He`s a funny guy great, don`t see how anyone thinks he`s some kind of upgrade over White, Moen, Blunden etc.


            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

          • Luke says:

            Well, Army plays hockey well.
            He does hit, but I think you are just trying to ‘make a point’. So what Army does is: Plays safe, doesn’t take dumb penalties. Kills penalties well. Plays sound positional hockey. Plays worry free minutes that allows the coach to worry about the higher risk guys. Lets the other players recover on the bench with out having to worry about having to kill a penalty or another icing…
            Moen does much the same.

            Blunden and White are way less dependable.

            You want dependable players on the 4th line. That’s all. Not superstars. Dependable players.
            He’s Armstrong. He’s a 4th liner. A way better offensive player than either White or Blunden too, by the way 😉

            You hate him, I get that. But save your hate for someone who actually earns it. How you can look at White or Blunden and think they’d be an improvement over Armstrong is baffling to me. Army is such a safe non-issue. He’s useful enough and hurts the team more when he’s out of the line up more than he impacts the team when he’s in it.

            But it’s arguing about a 4th liner.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            You`re wild man. “You hate him”? Wtf I can’t think a player is bad? People like you have issues man. He’s not a good hockey play there’s a reason he was bought out, and he won’t be re-signed with MTL. Who was on the ice for 2 PK goals last game? Armstrong. Obviously Pleks Gio Prust Eller Halpern are much better PKers than him.


            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  18. habfan53 says:

    Just finished reading Stu Cowan’s piece on Savard and I take exception to Savard implying that Price does not try

    “You remember (Ken) Dryden and Patrick (Roy) … if I look at those two I don’t recall Patrick having a night that he didn’t try. Some nights he maybe let in a couple of tough goals, but very, very, very seldom. But he always tried

    What a ridiculous statement. Has Price been at the top of his game? NOT by a longshot but to imply he has not been trying is nuts.
    Can Carey turn it around HOPE SO but remember St-Patrick lost his 5 last regular season starts in ’93 and the teams record for the last 7 games was 2-5-0.
    Sound familiar

    Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Aah…suck it up. I’m not crazy about it either, but I think it may have gotten lost in translation. He may have meant that he sometimes looks like he doesn’t try.

      In any case, the guy has won 10 Cups. He can say whatever he wants. I hope it lights a fire under Price’s ass.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  19. Steeltown Hab says:

    MT is saying Dumont may draw in for Halpern, game time decision. Happy to see Dumont in the lineup would like him over Armstrong but Therrien wouldn’t do that to his boy


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Halpern is better on the Draw…I didn’t think Halpern was playing that bad. Put Dumount in against Toronto

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Halpern has been solid, I gotta think this is a rest thing not a performance thing.


        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I agree he has been solid and I hope it is a rest thing. They should rest some others that log more minutes though. Prust needs to be rested if he is injured as well

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • krob1000 says:

      I agree with this as well as removing Drewiskie…I did not understanding taking out two guys players who were witht he team all year for what I do not really deem an upgrade at two positions for those two. I thought they were insurance policies not guys coming in to take games away from guys who were part of an already successful season. The upgrade has to be noticeable if you are expecting to not disrupt a room and/or chemistry. Noone would have complained if Brendan Morrow or Jay Bouwmeester bumps them from the lineup…but when you or your buddy is all of the sudden sent to the pressbox for a guy who couldn;t crack LA or Washington when they were playing horribly it has to send some sort of message to the guys.

      I like this attempt to get the team to who it was before if that is what it is….let the guys who were winning so often sink or swim themselves if no significant upgrade is made.

  20. Loonie says:

    David Desharnais tells Dave Stubbs any twitter accounts under his name are fake.

    I wonder if the twitter impersonator has been wearing his hockey equipment and playing in his place too!

    Just a joke Ed.

  21. hab fan in leaf jungle says:

    The Habs will NEVER win the Cup with Price in nets unless we assemble a team as good as the Detroit Red Wings of the past. It didn’t matter whether, Vernon, Hasek or Osgood was in the nets. The team was overpowering and the ‘system’ and coaching were unbeatable. The Habs don’t have that degree of scouting ability and development. They are still enamoured by small skilled players who can’t play in a crowd,except for Gallagher who can’t gain the zone past the big d-men. It doesn’t matter squat how fancy you pass and deke at center ice if you can’t get the puck into the net. Taking shots at Brodeur from the top of the face-off circles and the side boards won’t win you games in the playoffs.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      You know they are the 5th highest scoring team in the league, right?

    • Andy and the habs says:

      Then let’s build the Detroit Red Wings team from the past!

      • krob1000 says:

        you probably could do something similar…Lidstrom could still lgo 20 minutes a night and it all started right there. I never saw Bobby Orr but I can say that in my lifetime the best dman was Lidstrom…better than Coffey, better than Bourque, better than Macinnis, Blake, Pronger…..I think Lidstrom is about as rock solid of a foundation has there has ever been to build a team around.

    • krob1000 says:

      They were playing pretty well the same up until recently. I still maintain the talent is there the Habs are just without confidence…and I still attribute that to the deadline lack of action…but I digress. The Habs are not playing hard away from the puck..on either side of it. The support both offensively and defensively were great up until this recent streak. It appears that in virtually all situations there is one guy chasing..or being chased…and 4 other guys watching.
      There is often noone within 40 feeet for anyone to pass to and the team is dumping the puck and often solo when doing so(which is the opposite style of what they are used to…only Bourque, Prust, Patches and Eller can retrieve like that). We are seeing the D with noone to pass to. We are seeing our rush leader have noone to pass to, we are seeing guys get possession in the corners and have noone to pass to. Everything is a royal mess….it is like an old house with rotten carpets….but is only a matter of cleaning up the mess as underneath that mess is a beautiful hardwood floor…but it will take some work to restore it. That is all that is wrong…is work..plain and simple we are being outworked away fromt he puck at nearly all times right now.
      Keeping the puck and also keeping it moving are the keys to the Habs success…..if they are being chased they are nearly unbeatable with proper support….when they do teh chasing without support they are a lottery team……

    • habzfan2003 says:


      So who WILL the habs win the cup with in goal then?

      Your comments are always bashing Price… always…Who do you suggest we replace him with that’s going to backstop to the cup?

      I honestly love coming here reading the non-trolling comments, but you sir are making me cringe every time I see your name indicating a post has been made… I don’t wanna say you’re more negative than Timo.. but.. you’re inching closer to being just that IMO..

      • Loonie says:

        Anyone because those who would sooner take a dump on him than enjoy the development of our team know only what they don’t want from their goalie, not what they do want.

        I’ve never read a post suggesting Price be moved say what the replacement should have that he doesn’t.


      • Skeptical says:


    • habs-fan-84 says:


    • Chilly Willy says:

      Did you know that Ken Dryden’s first three playoff years he had GAA of: 3.00, 2.83 & 2.89?

  22. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    CBC story “What if playoffs started today?” story has Habs-Leafs in the first round, when in fact it’d be Boston – Leafs.

    Sigh. They just can’t rid themselves of this dream, eh?


  23. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Weber sits per Stubbs.

  24. Seps says:

    When I look at an ideal captain how about Andrew Ladd, the guy was a perrenial 3rd liner, the Jets need scoring and he’s somehow point a game this year, they need a big hit to spark the boys, he’s the guy, they need a fight to wake everyone up, he can do that. He’s quite vocal on the bench, and is very effective. The Habs need a captain like that. They have so many young guys in the lineup that they need that charismatic leadership, not the quiet, steady, perimeter player.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      How is Gionta a perimeter player? The reality is, we don’t have a Jonathan Toews or captain of that standard in the lineup.

      As for ladd…he was a 4th overall pick buried on the depth chart of a couple cup winning teams, never a perennial 3rd liner.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think playing on the third line for a few deep teams actually made him a better two way player.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Seps says:

        Do you watch him play, rarely do you see him crash the net or get physical on the forecheck. He’s more of a sniper if anything.

        Edit: but you are very correct in regards of us not having the standard, good ole Canadian boy.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Gionta is a better Captain. Gives 110% every game, goes to the net, never backs down, and scores 25+ goals every year.
      Mathieu Darche said that the coach chose the Captain, but if he hadn’t, it would have been a unanimous choice for Gionta.
      On to the next subject?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Seps says:

        Gionta at 26 pts, known as more of a finesse guy than Ladd who has 46 pts, is a better leader? Ladd has a lack-of-talent Winnipeg on his back this season. You’re actually telling me you wouldn’t take Ladd over Gionta?

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Sorry. I didn’t realize the Captain had to have the most points. I guess in your world the player with the most points should always be Captain?
          Carbo & Gainey, just to name a couple, may have been 2 of the best Captains in NHL history, but ya…not enough points. who made Gainey Captain when he couldn’t outscore his teammates?

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Seps says:

            No they don’t have to lead the team in points, but Ladd has never been a point producer at the NHL level as he’s usually buried in depth roles, but he stepped up to the plate when the Jets needed it this season which is a showing of leadership. Messier never outscored Gretzky but Mess was for sure the right choice for captain.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            And so is Gionta.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Luke says:

      Force of will is better than loud of mouth, when it comes to leadership.

  25. John Q Public says:

    With the full moon does the Wolverine appear tonight?

  26. byrneoNL says:

    MT has to give PK permission to start body checking again. For the first 2 periods PK should be allowed to hit like he used to – big open ice hits on people with their heads down, so opponents know they can no longer cross the line with impunity.

    Then come 3rd period, have him reign it in. Right now PK is throwing up Goose Eggs in the hit column more nights than not, cause MT has the fear of God in him for missing a hit.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      You still have not provided a link stating MT has told PK not to hit.
      Until you do, you’re trolling.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • byrneoNL says:

        Not trolling. Watch 24CH. And the flashes and stuff, it’s all in there.
        Plus, watch some hockey games from back when Subban was throwing hits. Now compare how easy opposing teams cake walk into our zone over the last few weeks. Emelin was one player on their minds, PK the other.

        There are pros and cons to reigning PK in on the big body checks. The often leave him out of position, and his partner or forwards were not stepping in to prevent odd man rushes. And sometimes PK would get phantom penalties called (ie the hich stick) so the result was MT telling PK to not go out there looking to make the big hits. 24CH and the flashes contain the quotes, but you know *off* camera the message wasn’t so sagely. He was benched for the missed hit/phantom penalty vs the bruins and hasn’t thrown one since. All he does now is pin his guy on the board. Just watch hockey. I’m not trolling.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          There is a difference between telling him to play smart and telling him not to hit.
          Eventually PK will figure out the difference, and perhaps, so will you.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • krob1000 says:

        To clarify he said something more than just do not hit…it was something like”do not go looking for the hit…the hits will come naturally” ..and it was on CH24

    • punkster says:

      I’d be more inclined to hope MT gave Max permission to start burying shots in the net again…but that’s just me.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      lol where did you read this non-sense?

  27. Seps says:

    Lost in all of this is Captain Brian Gionta… I don’t think he’s a good captain, not enough “lead by example” on the ice, he doesn’t seem like someone who can rally the troops, and evidently he’s not.

    • Loonie says:

      I think he’s an on ice leader in terms of play and off ice in how young players should carry themselves.

      It seems they need a “ra ra” type of leader right now. Looks like Gorges is trying to be that guy but players who are struggling worse than anyone else on the team can’t effectively be that vocal leader. More likely to be laughed at than followed.

      • ed says:

        I can guarantee you that no one on this team laughs at Gorges.

        • Loonie says:

          To his face or behind his back?

          I’m guilty of some hyperbole there. In my opinion you can’t effectively lead in a vocal way if you’re a huge part of the problem.

          Ever had one of the worst players on your team as a vocal leader? How did it go?

          • ed says:

            Gorges needs to play better the same way Price needs to play better the same way Plekanec needs to play better the same way Markov needs to play better the same way…….

            I could go on and on.

            Gorges is no more a “huge part of the problem” than any of those guys I just mentioned above.

            They have all completely and utterly sucked these past few weeks.

            ALL OF THEM!

            The reason why Gorges spoke (and speaks) publicly is exactly because he is recognized as a team leader in the room, by the players and then, by extension, by the media.

            Max is also becoming a leader in the room and he also spoke publicly a few days ago.

          • Loonie says:

            I agree Ed. And of the players mentioned Gorges was the only one who has publicly stated that some players on the team aren’t fully committed to it.

          • johnnylarue says:

            I agree with what you’re saying, and only wish to point out that a guy like Armstrong, fr’ instance, can be a vocal leader in spite of his limited usefulness on the ice.

            Gorges needs to pick it up–or be traded to a team that allows shot blocking in its defensive system–but I don’t think the team necessarily tunes him out just because he’s playing poorly. It’d be another story if he was just floating out there, of course, but as it stands he is still working his butt off, all the while maintaining a consistent level of stultifying mediocrity.

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          When a guy acts like a big leader to the camera but doesn’t perform on the ice it will probably rub some guys the wrong way. They know his intentions are good but I don’t think he’s someone others will follow.


          Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

          • ed says:

            ask your buddies, Lars, PK, Pac, and Emelin what they think of Gorges.

            there is no problem with Josh Gorges’ leadership except here on HIO.

          • Loonie says:

            Gomez was a great leader if you ask those guys too Ed.

    • Luke says:


      He’s a tireless worker who, despite being amongst the smallest & lightest players in the modern NHL era, has excelled.
      He’s scored 48 goals in the NHL. He consistently scores in the 25goal range. He’s won the Cup. He never backs down from bigger players and is not afraid of traffic, corners or the front of the net.

      Not sure what more you can do to lead by example.

      • Seps says:

        He’s not very charasmatic, seems that’s what they need right now. Gionta has been successful at the NHL level there’s no denying that, but as a more perimeter type of player it’s hard to be a leader who can rally the troops.

        • Luke says:

          I dunno Seps,
          If the troops can’t rally around Gionta, I think the issue is the troops.

          • Seps says:

            Oh the issue is the troops for sure 😉 But they need some motivation, and even from watching 24CH there hasn’t been a moment when Gionta pulls a Messier and yells at the whole team, and brings them together. I think that’s what they need, Gionta served as a better captain around a veteran roster, but around a bunch of young guys, they need someone more effective.

          • Luke says:

            See, it’s knowing your audience.

            From limited experience… being TV clips… Price or Galchenyuk don’t strike me as the type to respond to a good old fashion yelling.

            I’m not. I shut down. I tune out the nonsense and expect to be treated like an adult. I’ll walk away from a yeller… to me it’s rude, disrespectful and juvenile.
            I want support. I need an explaination and an example.
            To me, I equate yelling with assessing blame. I’d much rather work on a solution.

          • Seps says:

            Well from a leadership stand point, I’ve never heard of a captain yelling at the goalie, so I think Price’s viewpoint is irrelevant. Most goalies are intrinsically affected and respond better to taps on the back.

            But it is all about your audience, I like the passion of a vocal captain myself, I’ve played for both and the quiet one doesn’t do enough when times get tough like it has for the Habs IMO. I just don’t see Gionta affecting a player like Pacioretty.

        • Phil C says:

          From the Hockey News scouting on Gionta:
          “Assets: Plays with loads of feistiness and energy. Shows excellent offensive and two-way ability. Has excellent quickness and acceleration. Possesses nifty skills and instincts around an opposing net, and will even take a pounding in front of it.”

          Definitely not a perimeter player. I think if you wait for the playoffs to start, that you will see Gionta’s character shine through. Quietly setting the example can be more effective than a charismatic loudmouth.

          Leadership is a very complicated subject, with Charisma being often highly overrated. One of the most under appreciated leadership qualities is knowing where to go. A charismatic leader with no clue will more likely lead you off a cliff than lead you to the promised land. Gionta has been to the promised land.

          • Seps says:

            Well THN has year-in year-out predicted the Habs finish from 10-12 and with the exception of last-year has always been proven young. I’ll take my eyewitness before their scouting. I think in his younger days in Jersey he was less of a perimeter player, but in the new look NHL it takes a lot more balls for a little guy to not be a perimeter player, like look at Gallagher, the guy’s all over the ice out there. I can’t say the same for Gionta. And your point referring to charismatic V. quiet may be true, but not in this case IMO.

      • Andy and the habs says:

        I’ve been one of those disappointed with Gorges this year. He was one of the players that worked hard and took a beating physically every game. But lately the way he plays is not excusable. He just does not have confidence out there.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      As of right now I don’t see anyone who’s more fit for the C on the team.


      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • leehammer says:

      couldn’t disagree more.

    • johnnylarue says:

      +3. And as M. Darche bluntly stated on l’Antichambre, (paraphrasing) “He may have been appointed by the coaching staff, but there’s no doubt in my mind he would have been the unanimous choice had the vote been given to the players.”

      Not saying he’s the greatest captain that ever was, but he’s still the most apt to wear the C in the current group.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Was listening to Gary Galley on the Team 1200 yesterday. He was talking about the young guys in Montreal saying what better person than Brian Gionta to help and lead these kids…such a great Captain.

      I tend to think if you ask almost anyone in the NHL, they will say Gionta is a great Captain.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  28. Luke says:

    Looking at the Jet’s lineup quickly, I see (Captain NHLPA) Ron Hainsey hasn’t scored a goal this season.
    So, should we just put him down for one then?
    I wonder if their PP is on some epic 0-for-whatever streak. If tehy are, he’ll probably get one on that.
    And I’m sure it’ll be right after the stupid announcer makes some stupid comment about it.

  29. RetroMikey says:

    Okay, all of you out there who think I am a Maple Leafs fan, here are some nice Leafs jokes to enjoy!
    And I am not a troll! 🙁

    Q: What do you call 20 millionaires around a TV watching the Stanley Cup playoffs?
    A: The Toronto Maple Leafs.
    Q: How do you keep the Maple Leafs out of your yard?
    A: Put up a goalie net.
    Q: What do you call a Toronto Maple Leaf with a Stanley Cup ring?
    A: Very old or a thief.
    Q: What do the Maple Leafs, Argonauts and Blue Jays all have in common besides being based in Toronto?
    A: None of them can play hockey.
    Q: What do the Leafs and the Titanic have in common?
    A: They both look good, until they hit the ice!
    Q: What’s the difference between the Maple Leafs and a cigarette vending machine?
    A: The vending machine has Players.
    Q: What do the Maple Leafs and whales have in common?
    A: They both get totally confused when surrounded by ice.
    Q: Why doesn’t Hamilton have an NHL team?
    A: Because then Toronto would want one!
    Q: How many Maple Leafs does it take to win a Stanley Cup?
    A: Nobody knows … And we may never find out!
    And finally …: The last time the Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup, most of their fans were in diapers. Coincidentally, the next time they win it, those same fans likely will be back in diapers, again!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  30. Skeptical says:

    Goalies are to a team as socks are to your feet.

    When Goalies/socks are on – Team/feet are warm or hot
    when Goalies/socks are off – Team/feet are usually cold

  31. SteverenO says:

    @ Loonie

    you wrote:
    You are one self righteous fella.

    You’re assuming you have the right numbers and also that you’re interpreting them correctly.

    But many feel you aren’t.

    First of all I am not sure what I have done to deserve that accusation.

    self-right·eous [self-rahy-chuhs, self-]
    confident of one’s own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

    Its true that I am confident in my righteousness. Aren,t we all?
    When stating myopinions, I normally preface the statement with… in my opinion…….

    When have i ever been intolerant of others behaviors and opinions?

    I AM assuming that I have the right numbers because I take them directly from http://www.nhl.com. I also would be the first to admit ,and acknowledge, any factual errors in the numbers that I post.

    My interpretation of “the numbers” may, or may not, be correct but nevertheless they are my interpretations. If “many” feel I am interpreting incorrectly they (the many) are welcome to question them and provide their own opinions and interpretations. Isn’t that what a discussion board is all about?

    It would behoove YOU to restrict your comments to your own opinions and allow the “many” others to do the same.I don’t remember you being anointed as the advocate of the “many”.

    I am not sure why you are so “testy” and I don’t know what it is I have done to offend you. Please try to keep it about hockey and keep the personal attacks to yourself. Okay, fella?


    Steve O.

    • Loonie says:

      Your “numbers” are full of holes that you don’t acknowledge.

      For example. When people mention something like offensive zone starts indicating tougher opposition they acknowledge that the stat isn’t a completely unassailable number when it’s used to support their opinion.

      You pay no regard to any kind of mitigating circumstance. Player “A” is on the ice for x amount of goals against. Therefore that person is ineffective in this facet of the game.

      You seem to have tunnel vision too. If you’re going to label me as a fanboy you had better be able to deal with the favour being returned.

      Self righteous.

      Edit: Just as an aside to all of this. I’m not pissy, disagreeing with you and not appreciating you implying that my opinion is coloured by favourites or players I allegedly dislike doesn’t make me pissy. It means that I have strong opinions and that you make huge assumptions.

  32. rhino514 says:

    what´s this about resting players if they win tonight?
    nobody thinks having the second seed is more important than the 4th?
    Granted teams 5 to 8 are pretty evenly matched up this year, actually, but doesn´t the second seed also get a better second round matchup if they get through? I would think the habs want to win the division.
    With the prvoviso that Ottawa is just about healthy, so I understand they wouldn´t want to face the sens if they finish seventh. They are going to be scary if their returning players are even 70%.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Arguably the only team playing as badly as the Habs right now are the Bruins. They’re pretty much the one team in the East I can see us matching up well against at the moment.

      Too bad we don’t get to play them unless Toronto wins the division… which simply cannot (be permitted to) happen.

      • Luke says:

        in the last ten games:

        Leafs 5-4-1
        Bruins 4-5-1
        Habs 4-6-0

        Not exactly much of a difference. Especially when you consider one of those teams is, as TSN and others would have you believe, in the middle of an epic collapse.

        I think what we have seen with the Habs over the last few games is the crazy 1st period stats they’ve enjoyed all season evening out.

        • johnnylarue says:

          I think the stats from the last 6-7 games would tell a slightly different story, but I’m too lazy to look them up.

          Anyway, we all know anything’s possible in the playoffs, but my point is simply that, from the psychological angle, the Habs know they can beat the Bruins.

          Whereas they’ve had their hands full with the Leafs, Caps, Pens, Isles, and Sens all season long.

          • Luke says:

            Possibly, (the 6/7 games part), But I had the last 10.

            I also hate when you see “has only scored 3g/1a in his last 12 games” kinda stats, then you look at the 13th game and it was 3g 2a game… or something like that…

            Buffoonery I say!

          • johnnylarue says:

            The numbers don’t lie–they tell the truth, selectively. 😉

      • rhino514 says:

        it´s tough this year. The isles and Leafs look more solid than the rangers or Sens, but the rangers have more playoff experience, and have probably underperformed. The isles and the leafs have little experience especially at goalie in toronto´s case, so they are the teams i would lean towards facing (probably prefer the isles over the leafs, because there would be so much emotion in that matchup that the winner would be a crapshoot imo)
        If they can blanket Tavares the rest of that team isn´t super deep.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Sens are not that good, with or without Karlsson.
      If you notice, they won some close games with Karlsson in and continued doing the same when he went down. Beyond Karlsson & Alfreddson, the team is not that good, and should not be able to beat us in a 7-game series. I do not fear them one bit.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  33. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Just to clarify, the tiebreaker is ROW, correct?

    So really, the Habs are in the division lead right now. I think they just put the Bruins ahead because they’ve played less games. But if the season stopped now the Habs would win the division (though they’ve played one game more). So all the Habs have to do is tie the Bruins and they’ll get the division.

  34. habstrinifan says:

    Healthy scratch tonight P.K Subban!

    • johnnylarue says:

      You trying to start a riot, Trini?

      • habstrinifan says:

        No just trying to get posters to respond to some of the weird coaching moves. But that wont happen here… HIO have grown into scary cat.

        Coaching move:
        a)Two overdue practices before Tues. game (some understaning caus eof schedule given here).
        b)Insert Weber into lineup…. totally agree! Long overdue.
        c) Against NJD Weber-Markov were top pair.. Both played approx 7:00+ mins before P.K pLAYED 4:00.. check the stats.
        d)Then when NJD up by two.. TOI re-adjusted.
        e)Tinordi called up… again totally agree.
        f) Weber sat.. so he goes from bench for all of season to top pair to bench… ????????????
        g)Coach come sout Thursday and says they must start game with more intensity but against NJD when a non-playoff team was overwheling us in our zone and taking away the game in the first half of period 1.. his top pair Wber/Markov.

        But HIO… makes very little comment. You folks all look over to the Leafs and post how stoopid and whatever they are and how their luck’s gonna go south abalh blah blah blah… but not ONE REAKIN peep about how coaching assignments were done against NJD.

        What can I say that wont sound as if I am insulting HIO? So I’ll keep my mouth shut.

  35. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Time to forget about the slide, the rough games in the past and look ahead.

    Win their final two games and they are in good shape to take the division. Let’s do it.

  36. H.Upmann says:

    Wow. Didn’t know Kovalev retired. Huh. Guess he just lost heart after a few years..

  37. Phil C says:

    The only combination that I can see the Habs having a chance with in the playoffs is if they put Subban and Markov together. No other defenseman can handle a being forechecked AND handle the minutes required to play with Markov. Diaz, Weber, or Bouillon will get pounded with Markov, as we have seen recently. Tinordi or Drewiske can’t handle the minutes or the top-line match-ups.

    Markov/Subban can be the Habs’ version of Suter/Weber, playing 25-30 minutes night, resting Markov on the PK in favour of Tinordi.

  38. Old Bald Bird says:

    I know I am a nitwit, but what the heck is ROW?

  39. Chilly Willy says:

    In the games that Carey (according to the majority in HIO) has sucked lately, how many goals have the Habs scored? No matter if Carey lets in a couple a game (which is very acceptable) if they can’t score then what?

    I am sure that Price will hold his own come playoff time. But the questions are: Will the forwards score? Will they go to the dirty areas? Will they be willing to loose a tooth in front of the net to score? Will the D be checked off the puck behind their net? Will the rookies get more ice time?

  40. myron.selby says:

    I have a couple of issues with Savard’s statements. To say that Price is struggling right now is unarguable. To claim that he isn’t trying is a breathtakingly stupid thing to say. Is Savard seriously claiming that CP doesn’t care or that he is deliberately playing below his ability? How dumb an idea is that?

    Price didn’t get to be the starting goalie for Montreal by not caring. He has been a money goalie since he was a little kid and you don’t get to where he is unless you’re willing to dedicate yourself completely to it. He is as far off his game right now as I can remember seeing him. But for anyone to suggest that it is due to a lack of effort at this point in the season is ridiculous.

    As for him not caring, I think this kind of nonsense comes out of the style of goalie he is as well as his personality. He is a positional goalie, so that rather than diving around the net looking acrobatic, he plays the angles and the odds and lets the puck come to him. I’ve never been comfortable with the acrobatic goalies who have to make brilliant looking saves on what should have been routine stops if they had positioned themselves properly. I think it makes the team in front of them edgy and nervous.

    The problem is that if you’re not moving around it can look like you’re not trying. The other thing is that Price is calm in net. He doesn’t react to every goal like civilization is about to end. One of the things I really disliked about Patrick Roy was that he used to yell at his defence a lot after letting in goals. And it seemed like the more at fault he was for allowing it, the more he scapegoated his D. I would love to hear an honest assessment of him from the guys who played in front of him on that topic. But not reacting to goals rather than throwing temper tantrums doesn’t indicate anything about whether someone cares or not.

    On the rare occasions when Price does allow himself to react (usually after winning close games or shootouts) you can see that he cares a lot.

    I suspect Savard’s memory is going, given the stuff he is claiming about Roy and Dryden. To say that these guys never let in a series of bad goals in a game is not supported by the record. I loved Dryden (a great goalie, wonderful writer and all around interesting person) but he’d be the first to tell you that he had games where he couldn’t stop anything.

    All you have to remember is the New’s Years Eve Red Army-Habs game. Montreal owned the puck for the whole game, they outshot Red Army 38-13 (not to mention all the posts and crossbars) and had to settle for a 3-3 tie. Tretiak was brilliant, Dryden sucked slough water. On a good night for Dryden that would have been a shutout. Games don’t get any bigger than that one, so I’d say yeah it kind of shows that any goalie can have tough nights regardless of how important the game is.

    And Roy had nights just like it where he let in any number of soft goals.

    So for sure, say that Price isn’t performing right now. But it’s both untrue and unfair to make the other claims Savard made. He may think they’re useful to challenge Price to play his best. I don’t see that. It’s not that Price isn’t trying, it’s that things aren’t working for him right now. Putting pressure on him by saying this stuff in a public forum is probably not going to help him, and may in fact make it tougher for him to regain his form.

    • Loonie says:

      I agree Myron.

      How about some support for the individuals on the team if they’re going to be spoken of specifically?

    • Cal says:

      “To claim that he isn’t trying is a breathtakingly stupid thing to say.” Savard NEVER said that. Listen again.
      -EDIT- Why do people twist what another person says to fit their rant?

      • Loonie says:

        Savard pointed to Roy “trying”.

        Never said Price tries.

        • Cal says:

          Never said Price “isn’t trying” either.

          • Loonie says:


            If somebody’s discussing player x and comparing them to player y and says that player y tries and makes no comment with regard to effort pertaining to player x. It speaks for itself.

          • johnnylarue says:

            While I don’t doubt that he means what he says, there’s something maybe a bit disingenuous about Savard lauding a player he allegedly wanted to trade (i.e. right before he was fired).

            It’s strange. Price is often criticized for being ‘unemotional’ or too cool for his own good, as if hot-headedness was a good quality for a goalie to possess. Roy’s competitiveness was obviously an integral component of his success, but it was also a bit of a handicap when things weren’t going well. There’s a balance to be struck, I suppose.

            Personally, I think Price is a prototypical goalie in that he’s a total head case. He just happens to be an especially introverted one.

          • Sorry, Cal. Have to disagree with you, even though I do agree that people often take sound bites or quotes out of context to strengthen their argument.

            But, when Savard says:

            “But he always tried … he always tried to win each game and he did not give many bad goals in a row and he kept us in the game all the time … sometimes we didn’t deserve to win and we won. But this guy is not doing that right now … ”

            It’s so clearly implied that he should just as well have come out and said it. Unless he’s in the dressing room and hanging out with Carey, Mr. Savard (though due a good deal of respect) should keep his opinions about Carey’s mindset to himself. He’s not doing anyone any good by stoking the fire that a growing number of people want to use to burn #31 in effigy.

            Bottom line: Price is the current #1 goalie for the Canadiens. Like it or not, that won’t change any time soon. He may not be playing his best, but this slide is definitely not solely of his making. You win and lose as a team. You should also be judged as a team.


      • Phil C says:

        I don’t know Cal, I think that is what Serge implied. What else could he have meant? It wasn’t just a random observation about Roy.

    • Chilly Willy says:

      It seems to me that Price can’t please anymore. Win he wins under pressure we hear that it is his calmness. When he loses we hear he is too calm, he shows no emotion.

      We hear that when a goal gets scored on him he just shrugs his shoulders. Would it be better if he smashes his stick on the cross bar. Does that show the correct emotion? Not to me, thats shows fusrtation.

    • Jocko says:

      Totally agree with you. I am one of Roy’s biggest fans but there were nights when he was definitely not “on”. I remember many discussions I had as a kid about some of the softies he let in. As for Dryden…man…I am too young for that but from the limited exposure I have seen (many games against Russia), I scratched my head a lot and jsut did not get how he was considered so great. So, yeah, the greats had bad goals go in. In this stretch, I felt like there were some strange games of pinball happening on some of the goals that got by Price.

      I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  41. Bill says:

    It would be pretty damn awesome if the Habs could win this game and render Saturday night meaningless. Would be great to be able to rest some key players after tonight.

    Or does anyone still think first in the Northeast is likely to happen? A mathematical possibility for sure.

    • I still think Sens and Isle both pass Toronto 😆

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      Custom Sports Figures

    • johnnylarue says:

      I’d almost rather see the Habs relinquish home ice advantage, to be honest. I think they’re more likely to perform with the mentality of “we just need to steal one of these first two games” than having to deal with the pressure of not dropping the first game at home, for instance.

      But then that’s probably just me unfairly projecting my own confidence issues upon them. 😉

    • savethepuck says:

      If we win both and Boston loses only 1 of their next 3 in regulation, Habs win the division because of more ROW’s. Bruins are playing terrible too, and there is no reason to think they may not lose at least 1 of the back to backs this weekend against Washington and Ottawa, if they don’t lose to Tampa Bay tonight.
      Northeast is definitely not far fetched. Second overall also guarantees avoiding Pittsburgh until the ECF.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Chilly Willy says:

      Mr. Bill

      The Habs need to destroy the Leafs this Saturday. They need to put doubt into the players & Reimer. They need to set the tone for next week.

      But on the other hand I can see Reimer being sat for fear of a slight wind from Gally might blow him over & risk another injury.

    • Phil C says:


      Mathematically speaking, the link above puts the chances of the Habs winning their division at 1/3. Not bad.

  42. thehammer says:

    Gerry H I hear ya bro! GO HABS GO

  43. Rex tickets are being released now, I just picked up my seat in 228, as fast as they appear, they are gobbled up.
    Leaving in an hour

    Mr Biter, I’ll call ya when I get into town.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures

  44. aemarchand11 says:

    Tinordi and Subban.. Thoughts?

  45. Luke says:

    After a two-week stretch of poor play a player said this:

    “The last thing we’re going to do is just hit the panic button over it. We know the mistakes we’re making and it’s just a matter of paying attention to it and shoring them up.”

    Who is it?

  46. Sportfan says:

    Sportsnet has barely any adds when I watched the Jays game yesterday in this order this is what I saw Old Spice, Prius, Lawnmower, Old Spice again every freaking commercial break.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  47. Sportfan says:

    Is it bad that if the Habs lose tonight I wont be so upset cause its the Jets?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  48. Sportfan says:

    Here you go guys http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/25/jays-woes-continue-with-the-series-against-the-os/ newest blog towards the Jays am I slowly losing my patience with them? Check it out!

  49. habs001 says:

    Habs 6th in goals per game…pp 4th….goals against 16th..pk 25th
    It seems the team needs less focus on who is on the pp and more on why the defensive play and sorry to say the goaltending is not up to par….

    • Cardiac says:

      We’re also third in the league in minor penalties. So we’re aren’t doing ourselves any favors by taking dumb, undisciplined penalties either.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  50. Ton says:

    What Savard said makes total sense…….perfectly placed questions, he’s not in the organization anymore bla bla bla……..take in stride…….Price is highly rated> Price has high expectations> Price should have shown us more to date> Price has been good but equally bad> Price has been inconsistent> Price’s team has been as well weak in front of him…….that’s it that’s all coming from a hall a famer that has how many cups and has seen the likes of> Worsley, Vachon, Dryden, Roy, etc. I had a boyhood hero in Lafleur and even in his decline and bad hair days I thought he could still fly down the wing and score at any given time. That wasn’t the case……snap out of it……..we hope he can show us greatness one day!

  51. Strummer says:

    From Stubbs’ article today:

    ” We need to play with more intensity, we all know that,” Canadiens coach Michel Therrien said. “Especially when we start the game (lately), this is an aspect that I believe we’ve gone through the motions a little too much. And then we try to react”

    Isn’t it you and your staff’s job to ensure this Mike?

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  52. Gerry H says:

    So after charging through the first 80% of the season with results that literally no one dared predict at the beginning of the season, our dear Habs have stumbled badly through the last couple of weeks. Some of the reactions to this turn of events are pretty amazing.

    “They’re too small to win!”

    “They can’t succeed with Carey Price between the pipes!”

    “Michel Therrien has no answers!”

    “Bergevin failed to improve the team in time for a cup run!”

    From fifteenth to fourth (potentially second) in one season. Outside looking in to home ice advantage in the first round of the playoffs. Solid, locked in line-up with no real struggle to meet a diminished cap next season and even the potential to take advantage of other teams’ woes in that regard this summer. At least one guy in the conversation for the Calder and another rookie not far off (and with much more upside). A 23 year-old Norris contender. Well-stocked prospect cupboard and three top 35 picks in a deep draft.

    Seriously, people.

    Look, I have seen enough good stuff out of this team to still have faith in their ability to win a round or two. Maybe more. All the better if one of those comes against the Leafs. If not, there is one thing I know for sure: Next year, no one is going to be surprised when this team establishes itself early as a playoff team and/or a cup contender.

    These are the happy days, fellas. It’s been a while. Enjoy them.

      • nunacanadien says:

        Enough of the rose colored glasses my friends. The team is way too small, just watch Gionta and DD and Prust get plastered on the boards and the team crumbles if Emelin is not there. And when the team crumbles so does Price. If they love Price so much in Montreal, get him somre real NHL players to play in front of him instead of against him.

    • Loonie says:

      It’s easy to say “we went from 15th to 4th without any context behind it”.

      Like the resurgent Flyers and Blues we had a team last year that suffered a Murphy’s Law season. As it wasn’t expected we’d finish in last place in 2012 it wasn’t expected we’d finish last again this season by reasonable people.

      I think an 8-10 finish was a realistic expectation. So yes the team has exceeded those expectations. But what we’ve seen over the course of this year is a team capable of winning the division and subsequently finishing second in the conference. That isn’t unrealistic to expect given their play this year.

      So while there may be unrealistic expectations related to how the team and its players play every night, it isn’t unrealistic to be upset or disappointed with a streak with consistently awful play and effort attached to it.

      Just my opinion.

      • Gerry H says:

        Oh, I agree with that, Tom. Best 15th place team in many years. I was among those that felt this team had an decent shot at the playoffs this year.

        This stretch is indeed disappointing and, yes, precisely because we can now reasonably expect better from this team. What leaves me scratching my head is the dejected tone and hopelessness. I’m confident in this team, its goalie, its coach and its manager, and I don’t get why some are in such a different place.

        • Loonie says:

          I’m confident in three of the four.


        • kalevine says:

          even their record was better than a lot of the weaker teams this year. add to that how many games were one goalers that they were leading at one point. Compare that to FL who seem like they are behind every game from the get go (or, more to the point, compare it to the version of the Habs who have kidnapped the team from the first 38 games)

  53. Loonie says:

    No Bogosian tonight for the Jets.

  54. wjc says:

    Was ‘Savard’ saying the Roy always tried, even if he let in some tough goals. Was he implying that ‘Price’ does not always try.

    Savard: “When Roy played, I don’t remember a night; where he didn’t try”…….Is he saying, implying that some night’s Price doesn’t try????


    • Cardiac says:

      I think he meant attitude when letting in a bad goal. If Roy let in a bad goal, he remained unfazed by it and continue to play steller hockey for the remainder of the game. When Price lets in a bad one, it affects him more. You see it in his body language. He almost gives up and will let in another bad goal or two.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  55. SteverenO says:

    @Phil C.

    you wrote:

    If Tinordi simply warms the bench, then I agree that putting him in the lineup is a waste.

    If they are going to throw Tinordi into the deep end to see if he can swim, then there is a greater chance he can have a positive impact. The Habs’ D are failing on two fronts right now: they can’t handle being forechecked, especially anyone who has been playing with Markov, and their penalty killing has been awful.

    If Tinordi can use his size and reach to nullify a hard forecheck and use his reach to improve the power play coverage, the Habs may have improved their situation, especially if he can hold his own for the rest of his ice-time. If he sits on the bench, then it is a waste, especially because the remaining 5 have not been very effective without Emelin.

    I know they want him to be more physical, but I hope he does not start running around. His size and reach can be an asset if he is positioned well.

    Spot on, Phil.

    I would only add that if playing Tinordi means that Subban plays alongside Markov it may help somewhat. On the other hand that pairing (subban/markov) could have been done with Weber as well.


    Gorges /Diaz
    Bouillon /Weber or Bouillon /Tinordi

    little difference in my opinion.


    Steve O.

    • habfanacrossthed says:

      So do you pair Tinordi with Markov. Or consider giving Markov the night off.
      I like:
      Subban Gorges
      Markov Tinordi
      Diaz Weber

      Keep Calm and Habs on.

      GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

    • jon514 says:

      If I’m the coach I would rest Markov + Bouillon tonight. My defensive pairings would be:

      Subban Diaz (24 min)
      Gorges Beaulieu (20 min)
      Tinordi Weber (16 min)

      Let the kids play and let the vets rest up. We’re in the playoffs. Let’s see what they can do.


    • Phil C says:

      I like Subban with Markov because they both can handle the big minutes. Maybe Tinordi on the third pairing can improve the PK.

    • Jarshman says:

      I would put Tinordi with Markov, same way Komi had a lot of success with Markov so will Tinordi. Let him focus on being a big, hard hitting Dman and focus on playing D. Worth a shot, not much else has been working.

  56. Propwash says:

    I think Price is starting to round back into form, he played well during the NJ game. Goals went by him but they weren’t sofies except maybe the second one, but that’s debatable.
    The forwards started finally waking up too, hopefully it carries on tonight. As for the defence, eeeeeesh they need to get the ducks in line.


  57. The Dude says:

    This is for the SavardBOTS AND BASED ON REALITY…http://tinyurl.com/ckjch2t

  58. Timo says:

    Is Buff man going to play forward tonight?

    Diaz (sees Bufaglien bearing down the corner): “Oooooh, shit!”

  59. punkster says:

    Playoffs, baby…feel like dancin’…

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  60. Dr.Rex says:

    Hey Shane;

    Any luck on those tix?

  61. SlimDiggity says:

    I’m not saying Markov has been horrible, but he hasn’t been great. What do you expect? The guy has missed a lot of time, suffered some bad injuries and is getting up there in age.

    So, why not sit him these last few games? Let him rest and avoid potential injury. Hopefully he’ll look refreshed like he did at the start of the season.


    Hell, this is probably our top six in about 2 years anyway (minus Bouillon, plus Emelin) so let’s see if these kids can play!

    • Luke says:

      The vast majority of the players in the league aren’t great. They are average.
      Markov is above average offensively. I still think above average defensively, but I won’t argue it too much.
      Once any team’s fans recognize that most of their team is either average or below average… they’ll be a little happier.
      Only the truly great teams have players who are average as the worst players on the team.

    • habfanacrossthed says:

      If i’m correct Beaulieu isn’t with the team.

      GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  62. Timo says:

    Good morning. Has the bright future arrived yet?

  63. Skeptical says:

    If Habs can’t beat the Jets tonight. May as well not participate in the playoffs …. Toronto will make fools out of them. Jets nowhere near as good as Toronto.

  64. Loonie says:

    I have a great deal of admiration and respect for Serge Savard for his numerous roles in hockey and in business.

    But I have to say I’m disappointed with his remarks to Chris Nilan. His words ring quite hollow with me. This is the man who helped Geoff Molson find Marc Bergevin as the new General Manager.

    In his interview he blames a lack of size and Carey Price for the team’s woes. Funny how that works isn’t it?

    The lack of size has been an ongoing criticism dating back to when Bob Gainey brought in several of the smaller players we currently have and Price of course was a draft pick of the previous management group.

    Nothing of the new coach not being able to get the team out of a rut? Nothing of that coach not making appropriate adjustments to the on ice units? Nothing of the GM he helped hand pick not addressing the issue of physicality on defense?

    No, the current problems with this team are the players the previous GMs brought in and the goaltender.

    Funny how he ignored the other issues plaguing the team. I guess that means they don’t exist.


    • Cal says:

      Did you listen to the interview and was Savard asked about the coach?
      -EDIT- yup. Not one question about the coaching.


      • Loonie says:

        I listened Cal.

        Most people seem to think Bergevin produces gold bars with every bowel movement, Chris Nilan included.

        • Cal says:

          You said that Serge should have brought up the coaching. He was never asked. As a guest on a radio show, generally you answer the questions you’re asked, as they are always under time constraints.
          MB has not made the team worse. He traded for Ryder, giving up a disinterested Cole and added Drewiske for a 5th rounder. Oh, he also approved picking Galchenyuk and brought him into the line up immediately.

          Has MB bleeped up this season’s playoffs?
          Probably, but no one in the hockey world expected the Habs to do this well this soon.

          • Loonie says:

            Carefully placed questions I guess. Setting up to not have to discuss anything related to Bergevin/Therrien and yet conveniently setting him up go speak of the lack of size and Price.

          • Garbo says:

            I haven’t heard it, but based on these comments it seems like Nilan’s fault for not addressing it, not Savard’s.

            Further, by saying lack of size is a problem, is that not a criticism of the GM? The current players can’t suddently get bigger. It was up to the GM to bring in bigger players before the deadline if that was the issue.

            In any event, is it really that controversial to say that lack of size and goaltending have been the problem lately?

            If that’s all he said, I don’t see why people are angry with him.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      The former “skate boy” would blame the current skate sharpeners. So it goes.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

    • von says:

      I agree 100%. Quite a negative view considering the improvement from last year to this year. I hope he’s no longer serving as an adviser to Geoff Molson with that attitude.


      “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

      • Cal says:

        Yeah, having a Cup winning GM advising the team is a bad thing. Really?

        • Loonie says:

          Nothing wrong with advising Cal. He showed a bit of disdain for the previous group and a lack of acknowledgement of the problems relating to the current hockey operations people and some players they brought in.

          Very biased interview from Serge in my opinion.

        • von says:

          I guess Guy Lafleur was right to call the Habs a team of “four fourth lines” in 07/08? I think that was the same year they finished first in the East. And he was an ambassador for the team at that time.


          “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

    • Skeptical says:

      Savard is right. very skilled, don’t have size and toughness. That’s what sums up the Habs. as for price. He has a lot to prove.

      • Loonie says:

        You miss the point entirely.

        Easy for me to find fault in one of my wife’s ex-spouses.

        • Skeptical says:

          Loonie – If anyone missed the point. it was you. I think Savard knows a little more about NHL hockey than you do. A Hall of famer and one of montreals greats. He’s right on.

          • Loonie says:

            Nope, still you who missed the point. Savard is out of line.

            But we agree that he’s forgotten more about the game than I’ll ever know.

    • SteverenO says:


      I believe you are taking the comments far too seriously. If Price’s performance can be “swayed” positively or negatively, by the comments of an septagenarian former hockey player/executive on a radio show that hardly anyone listens to, his future career is probably not going to be nearly as good as you expect it will be.

      At his age Savard has nothing to lose by being candid and giving his honest opinion about the team^, except his chief concern is NOT to alienate his relationship with the current management group. If you reread his comments you will see only that he was careful NOT to say anything negative about them. and. He probably spends far less time than you do watching, analyzing, critiquing, and thinking about how the HABS are doing.

      You should take some advice from your hero/idol……. Just Chill.


      Steve O.

      • Loonie says:

        My hero/idol?

        I think Carey Price is one of the best goaltenders in the league and shouldn’t be bought out, traded or thrown under the bus and that makes him my hero/idol does it?

        Go back to your spreadsheet.

        • Luke says:

          Hero/Idol? Obviously, allow me to explain:

          Your postive Price posts, when compared against the number of negative Desharnais posts indicate a total Pro-Price (PP) posting ration of 2.35 PP/minutes posted (MP).
          Conversely your negative DD posts (NDP) is at a posting ratio of 1.78NDP/MP.
          Therefore, once you exclude the PP posts after a win and the NDP posts after a loss, we see a clearly defined overall PP ratio of 3.16/modified minute of posting.
          Clearly above the standard 1.8-2.4 of a typical fan. Even surpassing that of a ‘Booster’ (2.41-2.99).
          Not sure how you missed it.

          • Loonie says:

            Haha. That was fantastic.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            That was good Luke. You should do that calculation for everyone on the site!

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • SteverenO says:


            very funny, well done. I seriously laughed out loud.

            While Price may not be Loonie,s hero/idol he is most certainly his most ardent defender.

            My perspective is different, I don’t have favorite players, I have a favorite team. It bothers the heck out of me when the players are misused to the detriment of the teams success.

            I sincerely believe that the coaching decisions are hurting the teams chances of doing well in the playoffs.

            PLayers and coaches are trained, and expected to react using their instincts … to think on their feet in the heat of the action WHEN the games are on.

            In between games I would expect the coaching staff to do their homework and analyze the performance of their players,,, their strengths and weaknesses, etc.

            I expect that the (very well paid) coaches will use all the available information and base their decisions (special team assignments, ice time distribution, and line combos and defence pairings) on the available information.

            Unlike yourself, I don’t believe that just because someone is an NHL coach that he automatically is able to assess who should play when , where, and with whom, for optimum results WITHOUT basing the decision on the available data.

            For example last game we needed to score one more goal to get at least one point in the standings. The coach played the DD line for 2 minutes on the PP KNOWING (or he should have known) that their success rate on the PP is approximately 10%. Considering that their are other players available who have shown that when they are on the powerplay the team scores at a rate of 20%.

            In the same game with 5 minutes to play in the 3rd period, down one goal the coach determined that our best chance to score was with MArkov on the ice when the FACTS show that the OPPOSITE is true.The team scores more frequently when Markov is OFF the ice then when he is on at even strength and that has been the case from the beginning of the season. It has gotten progressively worse as Markov has been wearing down to the point that he has been on the ice for only one goal (even strength) for the last 6 games despite playing over 20 minutes per game .

            Obviously, Luke, you have a problem understanding the numbers and statistics and their relevance but that is okay. I’m sure you compensate in other areas.


            Steve O.

          • Loonie says:

            You are one self righteous fella.

            You’re assuming you have the right numbers and also that you’re interpreting them correctly.

            But many feel you aren’t.

  65. Mr_MacDougall says:


    Should teams be able to acquire cap space from other teams.. perhaps at no less than $0.50 cents on the dollar….

    Example: Habs buy $10 million cap space from Florida for $5 million.

  66. Un Canadien errant says:

    Interesting article on Hockey’s Future about the Canadiens prospects and their picks for various awards. Good reading, makes you feel optimistic about our team’s future.

    One note about their pick for Colin Sullivan as the winner in the “High Risk/High Reward” category. We have starkly different definitions as to what constitutes ‘high risk’, since the young gentleman was picked in 2011 in the seventh round, 198th overall. He’s also, according to the Googlesphere, a big tough kid who’s a dependable defenceman and who skates very well. Spending a seventh-round choice on such a player is not exactly a gamble in my books. If you wanted to read his progress since he was drafted in the most positive light, you could argue that he was a Low Risk/High Reward prospect right now.

    Instead, the real “High Risk/High Reward” winner should be Alex Galchenyuk. The Canadiens could have played it safe last summer and picked a big strong defenceman, since there were many candidates available, or steady big winger Filip Forsberg, who projects to be a talented, dependable NHL forward, but instead they went with the Sarnia Sting centreman, despite his knee injury and reconstruction (High Risk), because of his huge huge talent and upside (High Reward). Spending the #3 overall pick on a player with a suspect knee took guts, and it looks like it will pay off.




    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I agree, they could have picked me (a 32 year old currently on a 7 year break with wonky knees) with a 7th rounder and it would be low risk, it is only a 7th rounder.

      The risk in Galchenyuk was substantial, great observation.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        If they did that, then they should give me a look as an undrafted free agent. Big stay-at-home defenceman who’s tough, or at least talks and acts like it. I may not make many backhand saucer passes on two-on-ones like Brandon Prust, but I’ll keep Ryan Malone off Carey Price’s back.

        Well, maybe I could keep Brad Marchand or Martin St. Louis out of the crease.



    • Loonie says:

      I like what HockeysFuture is trying to do. But in my opinion their grading system and analysis of organizations as a whole are completely flawed.

      Their information is outdated for the most part. There’s no logic behind their grading system. No appropriate distinction between what a prospect and established young player is.

      None of their staff are actually scouts and they don’t cite the opinions or analysis of others which they either are using in their grading or aren’t and of course aren’t seeing many of the players they’re grading.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thanks for the reminder, and I have taken yours and other posters’ cautions regarding the validity of their rankings to heart. I use Hockey’s Future as one source of info among many. I think most of my intel regarding our prospects comes from other posters on here, guys who actually go out and watch junior or NCAA games.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Perhaps they figured they already possessed 4 high end D potentials in Tinordi-Beaulieu-Pateryn-Ellis. Even if 2 make it, it would be mission accomplished. The greater need was up front and a 17-18 year old getting an ACL is much different than a 35 year old.

      There was also a poster who recently mentioned ( Commandant?) that some good D can be had in the later draft rounds, yet pure scoring top end studs usually come in the top 10. Only time will tell how Dietz-Thrower-Didier-Nygren work out as later round D picks

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I agree with you. I wasn’t questioning the pick itself at all, or the decision to take a talented scoring forward that high, instead of a safer pick like a big defenceman, just that it would have been a worthier winner of their “High Risk/High Reward” category.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          OK. I see where you’re coming from. I certainly had confidence that the Habs medical staff and perhaps even outside opinions were used to make sure all was medically well. Then again as you mention, you never really know about how past injured knees will work out over time with wear and tear. We can thank god this is not the Bobby Orr days of pre arthroscopic surgery.

    • New says:

      I think you’re right. Galchenyuk learns very quickly. At the start of the season he cruised along the top of the circle, flexed those knees and drove a shot. I closed my eyes and didn’t dare look. Now he doesn’t do that. He knows there are Lucics and Cookes out there just waiting for opportunity like that. High risk, high reward, and if he makes it uninjured through this summer’s training probably the best bet from the draft.

      The trick with low risk gambles is to get lots of low risk picks to accompany your higher ones. You can’t take chances unless you hold the cards.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yes, and it seems that Marc Bergevin holds his draft picks dearly, he knows the more lottery tickets you have the greater the odds.

        I wonder if he already rues the fifth-rounder he spent on Davis Drewiskie? The fifth round, where Trevor Timmins weaves his magic: Charles Hudon, Darren Dietz, Brendan Gallagher and Gabriel Dumont. Not a bad haul for what basically becomes a shot at the dart board at that stage of the draft.

  67. frontenac1 says:

    Running? I ran to the Saloon last month because the cheap rail shots ended at 5pm. It took me longer than planned because my cigar kept going out.

  68. John Q Public says:

    Just go hit somebody.
    Speed kills.
    Shooting often helps goals.
    Bring back the fire.
    Go Habs go.
    Don’t let me down!

    Leafs. Who gives a shit about the leafs. Maudit anglais!

    • New says:

      Years ago I first heard a coach say “You can’t hit what you can’t catch.” He countered the next game by having his players in position instead of running all around. The Habs haven’t been in position or skating for the last couple weeks. They are likely tired, they look tired, and likely why Therrien gave them days off. But if they can’t handle a season, even a compressed one of mainly three games a week, then they can’t handle the playoffs.

      I am hoping they can turn it on. Because when they all play as they can they are pretty good. But when you rely on passing and speed the loss of even a bit of either takes you from first to last place. When you’re tired you sometimes don’t see the space you have and the other guys don’t see the play that can be in time. So you chase the puck. The smaller you are chasing the puck the more you have to move because the rules say you play the puck. Chara can move the puck 24 feet with his feet still. That’s a long way if you’re 5’6″.

  69. SteverenO says:

    HAte to take away from the constant Price (can someone please start a CareyPrice-inside-out.com site? ) dialogue, but in my opinion the decision about which defenseman does NOT play tonight is critical, and will go a long way in determining whether or not the team is “gearing” up for a playoff run.

    Here are the available options:

    Markov, Gorges, Subban, Diaz, Bouillon,Weber, Drewiske, Tinordi.
    (I left out Kaberle, because he only has a practice sweater)

    MT has already declared that Tinordi would play.The “obvious ” choice is to leave out Weber and Drewiske, and (almost) no one will criticize the coach if he does that.

    Will changing Tinordi for Weber make much of a difference ? Personally , I doubt it, The last two games Tinordi was dressed he was basically benched in the third period, and unless we have a 2 goal or larger lead going into the 3rd my prediction is that tonight will be no different.

    If, and this is highly unlikely, Markov,is given the night off, I believe it would indicate that the team is gearing up for the playoffs. The added benefit is that having Markov OUT of the lineup would give the team a better chance to win tonight, and if we do win there is a good chance that he could be rested against the Leafs on Saturday as well. A rested Markov is, in my opinion, the ONLY chance that this team has to make a serious playoff run.

    Honestly , I don’t see any down side of keeping markov out of the lineup tonight. Replacing Weber with Tinordi , is tantamount to re-organizing the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    The reason I am not hopeful (that Markov will sit) is that Beaulieu would have probably been chosen as a replacement for Markov. The fact that Tinordi was chosen indicates to me that Weber and Drewiske will be the 7th and 8th defensmen tonight.

    To summarize – Markov plays tonight — nothing changes win or lose, chances are they will not rest him against the Leafs.

    Markov sits tonight, Win or Lose the team has done something to improve their playoff chances.

    I hate to say “I told you so” but some may remember that I complained when the “young d-men were brought up for auditions, and they were not given the opportunity to play in critical situations. I posted that there was no point in bringing these guys up of they were going to havethier arses nailed to the bench when the games were on the line. Now we find ourselves still not knowing who (between Patteryn, Tinordi, Beaulieu) is capable of performing under pressure because MT felt the need to play them for “protected minutes” only while he was burning out Markov at the rate of 25 minutes a game.

    I am afraid that MT round 2’s legacy will be having coached a team that suprised everyone and clinched a playoff spot with 8 games to go and then did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (when the overstretched and worn-out players stopped producing) to prepare themselves for the playoffs.

    Golden opportunity wasted, what a shame.


    Steve O.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      How does replacing Weber with Tinordi not make a difference? One of the softest D in the league for a big body that knows he is being put in there to hit.

      I’m confused.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • SteverenO says:

        In his last 134 minutes of even strength ice time, (6 games) the TEAM has scored one goal while Markov’s been on the ice, and (allowed 8).

        In his last 43 minutes of PP TOI, the team has scored 3 PP goals, (an average of one goal per 14 minutes. The season average for the team is approximately one goal per 7.5 minutes)

        In his last 17 minutes playing on the penalty kill unit the team has allowed 5 PP goals against.
        If Markov plays 20+ minutes, a this current effectiveness Tinordi,s presense, will not make much of a difference. Infact it will likely cause Markov to play even more minutes. In the past Tinordi played 6 games averaged 10 mins per game and threw 3 body checks. He was VERY good defensively in 63 minutes only one goal scored when he was on the ice (almost exclusively with Bouillon).

        The best we can hope for is that Tinordi will be even or plus 1……in his 10 12 minutes….. it,s the other guys, Gorges, Markov, Subban, Diaz, performance that will determine if we win or lose the game.

        Also winning or losing, in my opinion, is not nearly as important as resting Markov, who OBVIOUSLY is out of gas.



      • Kooch7800 says:

        Tinordi is not the big body presence that everyone thinks he is at this point. He isn’t nearly physically strong enough for his size and isn’t a big hitter. I don’t think I saw a big hit from him at all in the AHL this year ( I didn’t watch anywhere near all the games though).

        He needs to develop. he also doesn’t have the mean streak that his father did. In a couple years when he gets bigger and has more confidence I think he will be great with the habs. He isn’t there yet though

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Phil C says:

      If Tinordi simply warms the bench, then I agree that putting him in the lineup is a waste.

      If they are going to throw Tinordi into the deep end to see if he can swim, then there is a greater chance he can have a positive impact. The Habs’ D are failing on two fronts right now: they can’t handle being forechecked, especially anyone who has been playing with Markov, and their penalty killing has been awful.

      If Tinordi can use his size and reach to nullify a hard forecheck and use his reach to improve the power play coverage, the Habs may have improved their situation, especially if he can hold his own for the rest of his ice-time. If he sits on the bench, then it is a waste, especially because the remaining 5 have not been very effective without Emelin.

      I know they want him to be more physical, but I hope he does not start running around. His size and reach can be an asset if he is positioned well.

  70. habs-fan-84 says:

    Habs get rolling tonight…and on Saturday, the Habs blow-out the Leafs at home…putting a little doubt in leaf nation and restoring full confidence for the Habs as they head into the playoffs.

    Good times are here. The Habs are 4th place and spring hockey in Montreal is just around the corner.


  71. HABSsince92 says:

    I posted the same thing on Tuesday so again if the Habs win tonight they clinch either the 2nd or 4th seed no matter what happens the rest of the week/end…………


    PK please sign.

  72. commandant says:

    The NHL Wild West: 4 teams, 3 days, 2 playoff spots, and 2 games each.


    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  73. Maritime Ron says:

    Regardless what happens tonight, I have a great concern about the Saturday game against the Leafs and it as little to do with winning or losing.

    Basically stated, Carlyle is an old style goon coach that will revert to tactics the HE believes were greatly responsible for his 2007 Cup win in Anaheim -that being intimidation via excessive hitting and fighting and whatever else he can get away with. He doesn’t mind his guys taking boarding or charging penalties.

    The Carlyle Ducks team that won the Cup in 07 lead the league in penalty minutes and fighting majors. Put in perspective, they had 71 Majors and the next closest team was Phoenix with 47. The midpoint team had 33 and the lowest was Detroit with 10. It continued on into the playoffs as they easily lead all teams in PIMs and had another 5 Majors.

    Don’t be surprised if they try and beat us up with no one spared or given a pass. No one will be immune. Clear proof was when the idiot Phaneuf tried to decapitate Gallagher when we beat them 5-2 in Toronto. Too bad we have no answer.

    Funny, looking back there was a guy on that specific Ducks team that had 101 penalty minutes second only to George Parros at 102. He also dropped his gloves 9 times that year sticking up for his mates.
    I wonder whatever happened to him?
    His name is Travis Moen? Anyone seen that Travis Moen lately?

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      “excessive hitting”
      Those words should not be in the same sentence together when referring to hockey.

      In the 5 – 2 game, Phaneuf was challenged by Prust but would not drop ’em.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        i am no Phaneuf fan but why should he fight Prust? He has only had 4 fights in the past 2 years-1 this year. He plays + 25 minutes and 1st units of both the PK and PP. Would you want Subban to fight McLaren or Orr?

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          Not even close.

          Phaneuf can hold his own in a fight (he’s done it in the past), is 6’3″ and 220lbs (Prust is 6’2″ and 200lbs). Yes I know Prust is a fighter but Phaneuf should have engaged Prust.

          McLaren and Orr are both heavyweights vs. Subban, you can’t even compare the two scenarios.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Why should Phaneuf have engaged Prust? I do not see any scenario in a game where a person should “have to” fight.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            You obviously completely miss the point. A top Dman in minutes and responsibility doesn’t have to engage the other team’s enforcer regardless of size. Phaneuf had to do that in the past because there was no McLaren, and Orr was out or in the AHL more often than not in the past 2+ years

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Maritime, he just has a different view, I’m with you, but this is a pretty subjective topic. Both sides have points here…

            I think the impact of fighting is HIGHLY over stated. Bruins have one of the best fighting teams in the NHL and have players dropping like flies with concussions from dirty hits. There are just as many (likely many, many more) games where a team is losing, have a fight, and still lose; but when a team is losing, has a fight, comes back and wins the glorious fight is noted as the turning point, untrue.

            Oh, and I like watching a good fight…

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            You didn’t make your point clear enough Ron.

            Now that it’s clear though, your point is well taken, re: top Dman not having to fight the other teams enforcer.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Got it Habs fan 84
        tks for the come back

    • Habs need to bump Kessel, he absolutely hates it. And Prust should be following Kadri and whispering you suck all game long. Kadri is a punk, reminds me of Marchand and that alone will get him off his game.

      WHOA what going on here? Back on Track……..Jets are injured, nd playing desperate. Only two players you should shadow….Kane and Ladd, they do all the scoring in Winnipeg. Take them out and the rest fall like Price Trolls after a Canadiens Win!

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      Custom Sports Figures

    • powdered toastmann says:

      The Leafs have been playing well during this second half (of an albeit short season). You can’t blame them for playing the style that seems to suit/work well for them. Carlyle is no dummy (as a coach). It’s up to their opponents to adjust accordingly.

    • GrosBill says:

      PP will be the difference maker for the habs. The PP clicking like it has at times this season will discourage penalties in a close game. The Leafs are not the Ducks of 07. If the PP is awful, the habs could be in trouble. But then again, I am one of the few people on here hoping to get the Leafs in the first round.

  74. @Un Canadien errant, it’s a pretty good show (Off the Cuff), and he’s coming along. I love having older players in the media, they have the best stories.

    I’m going to call in some time this week and challenge Knuckles to a simulated on air fight. But with restrictions. He can’t hit me in the head because of my concussions. He can’t hit me in the chest because of my pacemaker and He’s not allowed to move a single part of his body. 5 bucks says he wins with his stare alone! 😆

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures

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