Tinordi teams up with Gorges on Habs’ penalty-kill unit

The Canadiens were back on the ice Sunday morning in Brossard as they prepare for Tuesday’s season opener against the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

The Canadiens devoted most of the practice to special teams, both the power play and penalty kill. Defenceman Josh Gorges said the PK has to be better after ranking 23rd in the NHL last year.

Jarred Tinordi (photo above) will be lining up with Gorges on the PK and says he will use his size to his advantage. That means not only battling with guys down low, but also occasionally channeling Hal Gill and lying down on the job.

“We have to be better this year,” Gorges said. “As good as we ended up as a whole, the penalty-kill was brutal. If we can improve on that, that’s going to help us have even more success. The PK is important in today’s game and it’s something we have to take pride in.”

Said Tinordi: “It’s something I’m comfortable doing. I’m playing with (Gorges) and we’re comfortable together. I played on the PK last year and in the playoffs.”

The alignment the past two days indicates that Tinordi and George Parros will both be in the lineup against the Leafs on Tuesday. Tinordi has been lining up with Francis Bouillon as the No. 3 defensive pairing with Douglas Murray as the seventh defenceman. And Parros has a spot on the fourth line with Travis Moen and Brandon Prust. The extra forwards are Ryan White and rookie Michael Bournival.

The only players not on the ice Sunday were injured defencemen Alexei Emelin and Davis Drewiske.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice:

Pacioretty – Desharnais – Brière
Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta
Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
Moen – Prust – Parros
White – Bournival

Markov – Diaz
Bouillon – Tinordi
Gorges – Subban
Murray

The Canadiens will be back on the ice at 11 a.m. Monday in Brossard.

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Canadiens working on special teams, by Pat Hickey

Price should have a great year, by Jack Todd

Habs in high spirits, Canadiens.com

Post-practice videos, Canadiens.com

Habs have something to build on, NHL.com

NHL Preview: Canadiens Outlook (video), TSN.ca

Atlantic Division Preview, SI.com

Waivers busy as teams prepare for season, montrealgazette.com

Bulldogs release four, assign three, hamiltonbulldogs.com

322 Comments

  1. Mavid says:

    one more sleep folks..just one more!!!!!!!!

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  2. FishOutOfWater says:

    HOCKEY TOMORROW.

    CAN I GET A HELL YEAH!?!?

    CAN I GET A SUCK IT PHANEUF?

    http://945thesmooth.tumblr.com/

  3. Timo says:

    Holy cow… real hockey starts tomorrow. I have to admit – I am almost excited.

    • Eddie says:

      we can almost tell. ha! ha!

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Looks like Timo graduated from Coach MICHEL Therrien’s summer class of ‘Positive Emotion’ that was part of the comprehensive “Better Person” post graduate diploma degree.

        Is there any challenge too difficult for Coach MICHEL Therrien?

        What wonders could be next?
        The actual shedding of a tear when little Davy Desharnais is named 1st Star?
        Hugging Carey Price and delivering his groceries after a shut out?
        Taking French lessons and writing Daniel Briere a thank you card for leading the Habs to the playoffs?

  4. Kooch7800 says:

    Man I didn’t realize that Vokoun’s injury had him contemplating retirement. The Pens better hope Fleury is up for the challenge

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dblJM?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nhl

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  5. Kooch7800 says:

    Who thinks Tinordi will be in a scrap tomorrow against Toronto….

    Sadly I think he will. He will be physical and the leaf boys will be trying to intimidate

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      A good probability they will try and run him, but the chances have decreased as Frazer McLaren, one of the single digit IQ-Cyclops progeny is injured as one of his paws is a hurtin’.
      Then again, they may just unscrew it, repair it, and screw it back on.

      Tinordi should watch out for “Hold Me Back” Kadri.

      With McLaren out and Clarkson suspended, the Leafs really only have the other single digit IQ in Orr up front.
      Parros and Prust will take care of business if he starts running around like he did last year.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Seriously Kooch, Tinordi can handle himself.

        He had no trouble going toe-to-toe with a 30 year old man- 220 pound Tim Gleason who is known as one of the better fighters/tough guys in the league not classified as a goon.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz_TaQLAlwE

        Here’s hoping he doesn’t waste himself against the Orrs and Scots of the league.
        That’s why the Habs have Parros.

        • FishOutOfWater says:

          Im with you Ron, the kids not about to get embarrassed by some goon, hes smarter than that.

          Orr will go up against Parros and once they’re out. that leaves a dusty Moen and Tinordi to take care of business.

          with McLaren out, after Orr there’s nobody else whose that scary on toronto, Fraser sure; he might try to rough up Tinordi but its hard to say.. I think he’ll be just fine

          the kid we should be worrying about is Gallagher. he really seems to be getting under peoples skin . especially after that Stall takedown it makes me worry about him. if Stall is dumb enough to try to goon him up; imagine when an actual goon decides to go for it.

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          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Hi Fish

            Hope you’re right about Tinordi, but sometimes the young guys get caught up in the game, and emotion rules logic.
            Carlyle would love to take a 5-15 minute penalty trade off for Orr/Tinordi…and that’s why Parros is there.

            Rest assured Parros/Prust will have a chat with Tinordi and tell him to leave the likes of Orr with them.
            Also, Jared’s dad Mark surely had a talk about all the nonsense he’ll face as a rookie big guy.

            The chances of Fraser/Tinordi are slim as it would take an unusual situation where 2 D mix it up.

            As for Gallagher, I also wonder if he can play 82 games the way he does without getting hurt at least a few times.
            All well and good to crash the net show heart and character, yet other guys have the same heart and character…and weigh 40-50 pounds more than him.

            He’s going to have to pick his spots better as he will not surprise teams this year. The tapes have been studied.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I just know Tinordi wants to let people know he isn’t to be messed with to establish himself. He still needs to fill out a little bit. I much prefer and NHL where you can have a beauty clean hit and dont’ have to fight after.

          Morons like Orr…Neil etc will try and intimidate but I agree he can handle himself. He did very well against Gleason I just think we need him on the ice more than in the box

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Kooch
            Here’s feeling a lot better having Parros/Prust/Murray/White and hopefully a more involved Moen if the bell rings.

            There’s also a good chance the youtube video of his Gleason encounter made the rounds.
            Wannabee creeps like kadri won’t be messing with Tinordi.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Love the single digit IQ comment

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Cal says:

      That’s another reason to dress Murray instead of Diaz.

    • Strummer says:

      I’m hoping they get the brawling out of their systems tomorrow and then we could could look forward to hockey for the rest of the games with the Leafs.

      Additionally if the Habs put on a good enforcer show it may set the tone for the rest of their opponents to stick to hockey when they play them.

      ______________________________________________________
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      • Cal says:

        The laffs will target guys like Gally, Chucky, Brière and DD. Habs must answer that crap with crap of their own. Otherwise, it’s open season on all the Habs players. (Like it’s been since before Chara almost killed Patches.)

  6. Timo says:

    I hope we don’t get to see “Emelin suffered another setback in rehab” in “you might also like” section.

  7. naweed235 says:

    Today I saw on TSN that the league imposed 5% shorter pads on the goalies. This is really BAD news for Price. His 5-hole already had its own gravity. I remember a LOT of 5-hole goals allowed by him last year. This year, his pads will be shorter 1.5-in each., which means a 3-in wider gap on his 5-hole… This will not be fun to watch folks!

    • Mattyleg says:

      Price will be the worst goalie in the league because he’ll be the only one negatively affected by the change in pad-size, and the Canadiens will finish last because of it.

      Have fun this season, guys!
      (that’s sarcasm, you won’t be able to because we’ll be allowing so many goals against us per game because of Price’s larger five-hole)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Price’s biggest hole is his low stick side, and his high glove is good but that’s where he makes his biggest brain fart mistakes (or at least the most obvious).

      • Strummer says:

        And then there’s his Hobbit Hole- from where he’ll will never venture- groceries notwithstanding

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    • habtastic74 says:

      I actually feel like Price could be advantaged by this rule change. He seemed to have an obnoxious amount of goals that went right through him, rather than actually “beating” him. The shorter pad length will force him to be a little more compact and could actually help combat this problem.

      Either that or it will probably have no real effect. I was a goalie my whole life, and (to me at least) a difference of pad length was something that could easily be adjusted to in the span of 2-3 weeks. You learn to adjust your game, and Price is athletic enough and smart enough that a 5% reduction will not wreak havoc on his game.

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      In my personal experience with shorter/larger goalie pads i find that there definitely needs top be a happy medium.

      too big and its hard too move and the pads actually fight each other because of the overlap.

      too small and you dont have the coverage.

      i think youll see goalies make more athletic type saves this year because of this. price is one goalie who will benefit, as will quick, as will miller, as will Crawford. as will rask

      guys like riemer and nabokov and ward and howard might have more trouble adjusting.

      but really at this calibre, i dont think youll see a huge difference as goalies have had 3 weeks to adjust. if anything youll see players shoot 5 more and goalies are gonna be aware of their new targets.

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  8. Ron says:

    Pat Hickey tweeted that Emelin is on ice working hard with trainer Graham Rynbend prior to Habs practice.

    Sounds very hopeful for an earlier return but hope he does not over do it and cause more damage and a Markov like set back.

  9. Mattyleg says:

    Re: The PK on PK debate,

    It would be nice to be able to use PK to kill penalties, as he is an excellent versatile player.
    It would also be nice to be able to use him against the opposition’s weaker lines so as to expose them with his speed and his breakout abilities.
    It would be equally nice to be able to use him on both powerplay lines, as it would be to have him up against both the opposition’s number one and two lines.

    But you know what?
    Even PK needs a drop of water and a wee sit-down every now and then.

    We saw what happened when our previous (and current) Mr. Everything (Tomas Plekanec) tried to be on the PK and the PP and go up against the top lines: he was burnt out by Xmas.

    Not using PK on the PK is very fine by me.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Completely disagree.

      If PK is a Norris-caliber defenseman as we all believe him to be, he should be used like one. Dmen can play longer per game than a forward, and guys like Chara, Weber, Keith and Suter are used against top opposition, on the PP and on the PK, playing upwards of 27min per night.

      So that’s how Subban should be used.

    • Luke says:

      Additionally, you get to throw PK out at the end of the opposition’s PP which may allow you to catch the other squad’s Diazes and weaker defensive players.

      Also, he gets some gatorade and a little one on one time with Therrien to discuss his room for improvement.

      Plus, PK is fine on the defensive side… but so are most of the other guys. You have less of a gap between them and PK, so you give up less by leaving PK off, then say having Gorges have to fill in for him on a PP.

      PK aso still makes a few… questionable puck handling decisions… it’s his instinct… may not be the best on the PK.
      Sometimes off the glass and a change has to be the instict… not twirling rush through 3 guys and off to deke the other two as well.
      (ok, I exaggerate a little bit here… point remains).

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Historically, who were the top penalty killers in 2011-2012 when the Habs were second in the league? Gorges and Subban.

        Which defenseman is the best at winning board battles? Unquestionably Subban. Who is the best at protecting the puck? Subban.

        With the other D, I fear the puck is cycled continuously in the Habs’ zone for the entire PP because they can’t regain the puck behind the net.

        Aside from that, the PK scheme employed by Therrien’s coaching staff looks horrible because it appears that they leave the point completely uncovered, and easily retreat into this puny box. The Habs were amazing on the PK when Pleks was allowed to make life at the point miserable – and that’s how he was able to score his SH goals.

      • Eddie says:

        Subban is the best penalty kill dman on the team. No one comes close.

        • Luke says:

          They come closer on the PK than they do anywhere else… that’s why leaving him off the PK isn’t as bad as lim,iting his 5v5 or PP ice time.

          The guy can’t play 60 minutes (or 40).

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Matty

      A top 4 usually plays against the other Top 6.
      If not, then we are in some trouble.

      With PKs youth and fitness level, he should have little problem playing 25-26 minutes a game…as long as he reels in some of those useless 1 man rushes that may be crowd pleasers, yet are often unneeded, not smart hockey, and a waste of energy.

      Here’s not saying he should be Top 2 all the time on the PK Unit, yet his past performances in 10/11 and 11/12 shows he belongs and the Habs are better with him playing some of those PK minutes

    • desertman says:

      I can follow your logic but I completely disagree. Subban can play 27,28 minutes a game (at least he should be able to) considering his age and physical conditioning. I’m much more worried about markov burning out than I am subban burning out. Lets not forget that markov also has to man the powerplay and plays significant 5on5 minutes.

      The decision to play markov over subban on the penalty kill is mindblowingly stupid.

  10. Luke says:

    Hypothetical:

    Galchenyuk: 18g 27a = 45 points.

    Would this be a good or poor showing for him?

    • Chris says:

      Given that he’s got a log-jam in front of him, it is acceptable. But I think he will do better…I’m expecting Galchenyuk to move up to a top-6 role before the end of this season. He’s quite simply the most talented offensive player on the roster and he will show it before the end of this season.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree Chris that he is the most offensively gifted player we have currently. He just needs to get his confidence. You really saw it at the end of last season and his point totals showed it.

        I am still not a fan of the Egg line though. I think they need to put a vet on that line

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Luke says:

          I’ve been campaining for Briere on that line since day one of the Briere era (“The Briera”).

          I may have to make up some pamphlets to circulate…

          • Kooch7800 says:

            lol I agree Luke. I don’t even mind Prust on that line either. He gives the kids some space out there and adds defensive smarts

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • jackbutt says:

      I think that’s pretty close, I’d say between 20 to 25 goals, 25 to30 assists, 45 to 55 points.

  11. Feraco says:

    Parros will play 5-10 minutes a game meaning everyone will be have a chance to be double shifted. Same goes for Moen. Add in PK time and there will be line juggling. Prust will play with the kids, if coaching is sharp, we should kick some ass.

  12. jon514 says:

    Andrew Ference named captain of the Oil? The same Ference who admitted to giving Canadiens fans the finger? The only team he should be captain of is the “Spaceball One” radar team!

  13. krob1000 says:

    RE Markov-Diaz pairing:
    This d pair should be scaring the crap out of the opposition not our own fans. This is an elite offesnive dman and an above average offensive dman. They are both very smart and both can change a game with a great pass or pot one themselves.

    Sometimes I think people here forget about the larger picture….the whole game does not take place in our end under siege by the other teams biggest and most offensive line. There will be times they get in trouble in our end…but so will our biggest and most physical dmen when they are matched agaisnt a speedy and shifty line. Fortunately though lines are matched, dpairs are supported and often matched with an appropriate forward line given the situation (ie defensive zone faceoff,etc).
    That pair if mathced against for example the big Anaheim line…in Habs end…with the DD line on the ice…near the end of a shift? would scare the heck out of me. However…that line in the other end …vs that same Anaheim line near the end of their shift…would scare the crap out of Anaheim coaches and fans as well.
    They are two smart and decisive puck movers who play a good defensive game although it may not be the type some of you associate with defensive play as that appears to only be happening when guys are flattened according to HIO. While sometimes effective and definitely effective over the longer haul (ie a playoff series) those attempts often lead to a vacated prime area on the ice, an odd man situation and/or a reliance on a support guy both being there AND reading the play AND making the appropriate adjustment. It is often much simpler and safer to play better positionally and with your stick than to maul a guy.

    • Cal says:

      I’m sorry, but Diaz with Markov will be exposed early and often. Murray should be dressed for a few reasons.
      1. Habs are playing Toronto, so where’s the physicality?
      2. Defensively, Diaz and Markov are both liabilities against cycling forwards.
      3. Keeping the puck out of their own team’s net is a DMan’s #1 priority, not scoring goals.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I am with you Cal. I also would like to point out that the top lines from the other team will be most likely facing Gionta, Pleks and Bourque who are all decent forwards in their own end.

        Gorges and PK should be on when the forwards are DD-Briere and patches

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Cal says:

          I don’t understand signing Murray and then having him watch from the press box when Diaz was horrible this pre-season and doesn’t look ready or confident.
          I am hoping because of the Dcorps getting experience in Hamilton that Diaz will be moved after this season. He plays too much like Drewiske, who keeps asking, ” What’s a body check?”

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          • krob1000 says:

            I am assuming they are worried about Murray’s conditioning/health since he was hurt in camp. Also given Mclaren and Clarkson out he isn’t really necessary. Parros is there for Orr…Moen and Prust. THat is plenty given the two injuries to two of the toughest Leafs.

      • krob1000 says:

        1. The physicality is on the fourth line….and both Mclarena nd Clarkson will not be dressing.
        2. Cycling forwards require guys who can skate and follow the cycling forwards and be smart enough to not make a mistake. Keeping a cycle in the corner is just fine by me.
        3. Wrong. Winning is everyones #1 priority. You find me one defensive unit in the league that does not have at least 2 capable offensive dmen and I will show you a losing team. Certain dmen are their for diff’t roles…and what exactly makes you think Markov and Diaz are not good defensively? Markov is one of the best in the NHl with his stick…sure he was slow as molasses last year but he already looks significantly improved and is smart of a defender as there is. Diaz is also very smart and both are good at “defending” …maybe not the type you like but I would bet that any talented forward would prefer to play against a big phsyical guy who is less mobile and not as smart. They may occasionally get an ouchy…but they will score more against the slower and/ or less intelligent dmen.

    • Chris says:

      I will go one further and say that the forwards are a bigger problem than the defencemen. When more than half of your top-9 forwards (Pacioretty, Desharnais, Briere, Gallagher, Galchenyuk) are below average (if not brutal) defensively, your team is in trouble.

      The defence is an easy thing to point a finger at. Isn’t it funny how the best defensive teams feature forwards who, for the most part, commit to stopping the other team?

      Montreal’s forwards are masterful at letting opponents use the neutral zone as a drag racing strip, allowing them to get up to top speed and harass the Montreal defencemen with impunity. Meanwhile, most of the elite defensive teams find ways to impede Montreal’s forwards from getting similar momentum as they are forechecking.

      • Mattyleg says:

        That’s where Emelin was so effective; I noticed a distinct lessening of the opposition’s neutral-zone speed whenever he was patrolling the blue line.

        We don’t play the trap. The trap blocks up the neutral zone, and we don’t play that way. We don’t have a Tortorella ‘open-skating-rink’ concept either, but we have a pretty good balance.

        Being defensive is a secondary issue for most forwards coming up through the juniors and farm systems; they need to prove they can score and make plays at that level. Being defensively responsible is something that you learn in the NHL. Look at Carbo; he was a top-scoring forward in Sherbrooke, only to become one of the best two-way forwards to ever play.

        Our guys will come along. DD has improved in that area, as has Chucky, and as will Gallagher.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • krob1000 says:

        Agree…this is also part of what confusses me re the EGG line. Eller is pretty solid defenesivey but not aggressive enough and must be concerned positionally in the middle. PRust or Moen should be playing with him IMO. At home I guess they can play Moen-Prust line as a shutdown line and Pleks can match anyone. They can rotate someone in for Parros occasionally to keep his mins down.
        There will plenty of moving around the lines IMO but Iw ould have liked to see three both offesnively and defensively relaible lines gien the team hasx the players to ice them. Maybe he is just playing matchups and we’ll see diff’t things on road or if/once Eller’s line struggles defensively.

      • neumann103 says:

        Chris,

        I agree that Desharnais and Briere are brutal defensively and at this point in their careers, beyond any expectation that they would change. (Although Jagr became a much better defensive player at an older age so stranger things have happened.)

        I disagree about Pacioretty, Gallagher and Galchenyuk although with different reasons for each.

        Galchenyuk is the least concerning to me. He was a good defensive player in Junior, and I think is still just adjusting to the pro level. I expect we will see a significant improvement this year. His fancy stats for the later part of last season were actually pretty good in the suppressing offence metrics. If I was Therrien I would be looking to Plekanec, Prust, Eller and Galchenyuk to be my top 4 PK forwards by end of season, and be expecting to generate some offence out of that too.

        Pacioretty has often looked like the best defensive player on his line. While this might be damning with faint praise, I think when he commits to it he can be effective. I think there is a question as to how much that would take off his offensive game.

        In a related fashion, Gallagher’s style kind of requires the damn the torpedoes offensive push which inherently can leave him out of position coming back. But because he does everything at 100% he often is an incredibly effective backchecker and to a lesser extent pursuer in his own zone.

        I don’t think any of these guys don’t get it, or don’t want to do it. And I expect some of this will show this year.

        And one of the things I actually enjoyed about pre-season was seeing all of those guys killing penalties.

        “Et le but!”

    • Eddie says:

      The first and primary job for defencemen is to defend. Markov and Diaz really struggled especially on the penalty kill last year in the playoffs.

      People point to the loss of Emelin as a reason why our defence went south. How about the play of Markov coming down the stretch and into the playoffs??

      And when a coach sees this he needs to react and change things up.

  14. Sportfan says:

    Lots of fromer Expos showing up on March the 29th for the Jays game here’s hoping that they get Pedro and Larry.

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  15. --Habs-- says:

    For some reason I can’t see the following D pairings
    I don’t see Diaz as an everyday starter against big teams.
    I’m not comfortable when he’s on the ice.
    Markov – Diaz
    Bouillon – Tinordi
    Gorges – Subban
    Murray
    Go HABS Go

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The Diaz Markov pairing scares the crap out of me. Toronto has an aggressive forecheck and I bed after tomorrow night they will have a couple goals scored on that D pairing. They are the weakest by far

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    Florida Panthers appear to be taking the Snowbirds concept to heart. They have now also signed Ray Whitney. Appears to be the ultimate retirement community for hockey players. I say this tongue n cheek, as Whitney still has some hockey left in him, but amazing how many veterans who couldn’t latch on elsewhere are now scurrying to the sunshine state.

    • DuckDodgers says:

      Being on a non-playoff team in Fort Lauderdale beats, dare I say it Burly, ……Winnipeg?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • mdp2011 says:

      Morning HIB, it is actually Ryan Whitney who signed in FLA, but we get your point.

      Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
      FLA signing UFA D Ryan Whitney to one year deal.

    • Phil C says:

      It will be interesting to see how they do using the trash-heap approach to team building (Thomas, Gomez, Whitney, Gilbert, Boyes). Both Whitney and Gilbert have been effective in the past, but have not been good recently. If those two return to top form, they could have a pretty good blueline. Combine that with Thomas and who knows.

      • neumann103 says:

        Phil,

        I think the deal is that the Panthers have a really great group of prospects. Tallon is not an idiot and they have sucked so long they have had great draft position.

        At virtually every position they have players who should be high end contributors in 2-3 years. Given recent uncertain ownership and unwillingness to spend I would be looking for buyout castoffs on 1 year cheap deals just to plug the holes for a couple of years.

        “Et le but!”

    • Sportfan says:

      I’d scurry to the sunshine state for a a few millions for just a season too lol.

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  17. frontenac1 says:

    @uce. I’m feeling Shame today amigo. I picked Dallas over our Chargers yesterday.

  18. mksness says:

    Not getting all of this hate for the coach for not using Subban on the PK. Sure he’ll do well killing penalties but none of the other defence men can generate his type of explosive offence (markov great passer but not really the same) He should get a few more minutes on the penalty kill but not that much more. we have a few guys who should be blocking shots and if we lose PK to a broken foot we’re in much more of a bind than someone else.

    PK might be the teams most gifted player and his gifts are better used in different areas, like generating offence.

    • DuckDodgers says:

      Nailed it. Tried to use the play where the puck whizzed by Subban’s face causing him to snap his head back and causing injury as an example of injuries that occur in the line of fire. Crosby took it “on the chin,” and missed a lot of time. Your broken foot scenario, mk, makes the point more to the point. Hal Gill was probably our best PK defenseman in the past 5 to 10 years. I can remember Pierre Bouchard often getting his only ice time during a PK. Cheers.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Strummer says:

      PK is the current Norris winner and in a year will be earning in excess of $8 million annually on a long term contract.
      He ranked 35th last year among defencemen in TOI/game.

      He will need to play in all situations to justify his salary and make him comparable to studs like Chara, Suter, Webber, Keith

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think PK should be just over 7 mill range. Erik Karlsson is making 6.5 and PK is better defensively hence the 7 mill and that is also what Drew Doughty makes.

        The major issue is with the STUPID contracts that Suter and Weber got last year in which they are extremely over paid you are right PK will get 8 million which I think is too much money.

        The habs will have to pay it though to keep PK around and that is something they have to do

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You make some great points. Such a level headed argument against PK being over used on the PK has changed my mind. Great post. Good morning to you and my friend Andrew. CHeers.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      It’s not a question of hate.

      If Subban was good enough to play Top Pair PK minutes in 2010/11 when the Habs had the 7th best PK in the NHL, and played Top 3 in 2011/2012 when the Habs had the 2nd best PK in the NHL,….why was he totally disregarded from the PK in 2012/13 where the Habs finished 23rd and were also brutal in the playoffs?

      Fear of injury isn’t a great excuse.
      The Bruins don’t think about Chara getting injured on the PK and he had the 5th most PK minutes in the NHL last year and 2nd most in the playoffs.
      Duncan Keith had the 3rd most while Hjalmersson had the most.

      • Eddie says:

        Ronn, I totally agree with you. Not playing Subban on the penalty kill is ridiculous. You don’t keep your BEST PENALTY KILL D-MAN on the bench because you’re afraid he will get hurt. This is the NHL.

        And if the Habs p-k unit falls back to 24th again in the league, and Therrien keeps Subban on the bench, the coach is going to start hearing it from the fans and the media, be sure.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Morning folks, one more sleep until we get to see our Habs in a real NHL game. Still can’t understand how the NHL could make an unbalanced conference scenario where clearly it is more difficult to make the playoffs in the East with 2 extra teams compared to the West.

    Hoping for an exciting season, but still feel we are at least one more season away from really having the depth and experience needed to start making playoff noise.

    • 25insight says:

      At least we didn’t just sign Gomez :D

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Gerald. I agree with your forecast but if Price can have one of those years……..

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Burli
      The guess from here is that the NHL has several different scenarios in the plan over the next 2-3-4 years to even things up.
      In the West, there could be expansion to Seattle-Kansas City-Las Vegas. Two of those 3 would even things out. Then the Quebec-Markham scenarios…and who knows about relocation scenarios. While there is a lot of nice talk coming from the new Florida owner and Bettman, we’ll see where they are in a few years

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree they have either expansion or franchise relocation in their sites, but in the meantime, it is primarily Eastern Conference teams whom are the meal ticket for this league. To essentially penalize the East with less playoff potential seems to be cruel and unusual punishment.

    • JF says:

      They’re planning expansion, but until that happens, they should have kept the same number of teams in each Conference. There was absolutely no need to move Columbus to the East this year. Switch Detroit and Winnipeg, and you have two evenly balanced Conferences. I’m assuming the owners had a say in the new alignment, and I can’t understand how they could have approved it.

      • neumann103 says:

        Correct.

        And so totally obvious that it is ridiculous that the NHL did not do exactly that.

        The ownership consent is also strange. I can see some owners making the calculuation that money saved in travel might offset the reduction in the likelihood of a couple of playoff home games’ worth of revenue, but then surely the teams with the most reduced travel budgets are in the West where the travel is a much bigger deal.

        “Et le but!”

  20. jols101 says:

    Just going through the links above for some morning reading and the link to NHL.com has a great, in-depth analysis of our Habs and the upcoming season. Very nice job by Arpon Basu.

  21. Maritime Ronn says:

    Gorges said. “….the penalty-kill was brutal…The PK is important in today’s game and it’s something we have to take pride in.”
    ————-
    Brutal is correct!

    As the old Sports Adage goes:
    Offense puts points on the board.
    Speciality teams win games.
    Team Defense wins Championships.

    Looking at last year’s 2 Cup finalists, both the Hawks and Bruins had a Top 4 position PK Team both during the season and most importantly, in the playoffs when it counted most.

    The Hawks were at 90.8%. That was an incredible performance.
    Put in perspective, the Habs were at 76%.
    The Hawks gave up 7 goals on 76 chances.
    The Habs gave up 6 goals on 25 chances.

    While many coaches will state their most important PK guy is their goaltender, the player selection and decided PK method (passive or aggressive) are also key in setting up.

    Looking at the differences of the key 1st Unit Dman pairings during the playoffs last year:

    Habs:
    Gorges-Diaz.
    The Norris Trophy winner didn’t get a sniff.

    Hawks:
    Duncan Keith-former 2010 Norris Winner.
    Niklas Hjalmarsson: 6’3″207
    Scouting Report: Is adept at shutting opponents down. Has a very solid frame, grit and plenty of puck-moving ability and blocks shots.

    No Comparison – No Contest.

    Not mentioned in the article is whether Gorges/Tinordi will be 1st or 2nd Unit PK, then where does Subban-Markov-Murray-Bouillon fit before Emelin returns – Emelin was playing Top 4 PK minutes before being injured.

    The Hawks would never give a 3rd pair-2nd unit PP, and soft Nick Leddy any PK time, and the Habs should do the same concerning Diaz.

    The Hawks also scored 7 short handed goals during the season and playoffs, while the Habs had 0.
    Jonathan Toews had 2 of those short handed goals, while Coach MT decided that Travis Moen should play the most PK minutes for Habs forwards during the season, and second most in the playoffs.

    Along with Plex, the Habs need to use more speed causing fear of the short handed goal with Eller-Galchenyuk, and much less Moen.

    • PrimeTime says:

      They’re a lot of the games aspects that last years CHI team did better than the Habs. But there is a fairly simple explanation……player depth and talent!! I don’t think MT had the same horses. And don’t exaggerate the “Norris” label on PK. He won more on his offensive talent than defensive. He has not yet developed the strong defensive zone discipline required to be dependable on the PK. Besides he can’t log 25-28 minutes for 82 games. Others need to fill on the PK. Suban is not the answer to all.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Coach MT certainly didn’t have the same horses as Chicago had, yet that’s not to say he used his horses properly.

        No one is saying PK is the answer to all, yet allow me to ask what you think about this?

        Penalty Kill Time on Ice last playoffs:

        Diaz: 23:55
        Gorges: 21:41
        Tinordi:10:14
        Bouillon: 10:10
        Markov: 5:38
        Subban: 2:28

        While Subban has yet to achieve his ceiling concerning defensive play, he is a big strong guy that can move the puck.
        If the PenK was an elite Unit, then fine – but it was one of the worst.

        Therefore, how does one justify giving Diaz more than 10 time the amount of PK time than Subban?

        Subban was FAR from being overused playing 23:56/game.
        Chara was at 29:31
        Keith was at 27:37
        A total of 23 Dmen had more average ice time per game than Subban had during the past playoffs.

        • PrimeTime says:

          I agree our PK needs much improvement and Diaz is not the answer. PK is not Chara or Keith either ….and they aren’t PK. We don’t have that style of D yet…..maybe Tinman will become one. When Subban develops his positional game in the D zone he will be a much more effective player for the PK.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Understood that the guys you mention are all different, yet did you agree with basically benching Subban on the PenKill, and that the 5 guys that played more minutes would be more effective?

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Subban can´t log 25-28 minutes for 82 games? Last season showed that Markov can´t (or shouldn´t) play that much anymore but there´s absolutely no indication that a healthy, fit 24 year old Subban can´t play 25+ minutes. I think playing him only 23 minutes like last season would be a huge mistake. From the second period on I´d like to have him on the ice every other shift (in close games).

        Subban not being dependable on the PK? Now it´s getting completely ridiculous.

        When it comes to the PK: Do you guys really think it´s the players? We had the seventh best PK in 2010/2011 and the second best in 2011/2012 but yeah, let´s blame the players for the bad PK in 2012/2013. Maybe, just maybe the system and coaching sucked?

    • PrimeTime says:

      Not without knowing the overall ice time average of each less PK time. I suspect PK had the most.

    • JF says:

      Not sure how good Eller and Galchenyuk would be on the penalty kill, especially Galchenyuk. Also, Moen has scored a handful of short-handed goals with the Habs.

  22. Timo says:

    Anyone watched Battle of the Blades? How did my man, Vlad do?

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    For those who are interested, here is my take on the Chargers’ win over the Cowboys today.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/09/nfl-2013-week-4-chargers-30-cowboys-21.html

  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    Cool article on just how important a role Dalton Thrower will play with the Vancouver Giants this season. The scuttlebutt is that he’ll be named captain by Don Hay.

    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Dalton+Thrower+huge+boost+Giants+power+play/8974779/story.html

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    • Marc10 says:

      How good a skater is Dalton and does he have a decent first pass?

      His qualities are pretty obvious:

      – bomb from the point
      – can hit
      – can fight
      – decent size

      You’d think with those attributes he’d be right in the mix with a contract in hand.

      • SlovakHab says:

        Yeah, he sounds good every time I read about him. But somehow is not putting it together on ice.. He had a pretty bad season with the Blades in 2012/13…

        As for his size, he is listed as in Gorges/Plekanec/Markov category in terms of height. Not sure if I call that decent size by HIO standards…

        Lastly, are you up to Hockey Night in Sydney in the near future? Every Wednesday at Cheers Bar, George St.

        • Marc10 says:

          Might have to make it down there at some point. Let me know when you’ll be there and I’ll make the point of showing up for a beer and a chat.

          • SlovakHab says:

            Sure. Let’s do it at some point.
            Bummer that the games are not live, but maybe there will be a great game worth re-watching. Not sure if you are familiar with the sched:

            Wed Oct 9:
            4:30pm – Toronto v Ottawa – Oct 5
            6pm – Edmonton v Vancouver – Oct 5
            7:30pm – Vancouver v Calgary – Oct 6

            Wed Oct 16:
            4:30pm – Dallas v Winnipeg – Oct 11
            6pm – Edmonton v Toronto – Oct 12
            7:30pm – Montreal v Vancouver – Oct 12

            Wed Oct 23:
            4:30pm – Vancouver v Pittsburgh – Oct 19
            6pm – Edmonton v Ottawa – Oct 19
            7:30pm – Toronto v Chicago – Oct 19

            Wed Nov 6:
            4:30pm – Chicago v Winnipeg – Nov 2
            6pm – Toronto v Vancouver – Nov 2
            7:30pm – Montreal v Colorado or Detroit v Edmonton (I’m leaning to the Detroit one) – Nov 2

            Wed Nov 20:
            4:30pm – Buffalo v Toronto or Rangers v Montreal (I’m leaning to the Sabres one at the moment due to the incident in the most recent preseason game, google “Kessel plays lumberjack” if you don’t know about it) – Nov 16
            6pm – Edmonton v Calgary – Nov 16
            7:30pm Winnipeg v Minnesota or Dallas v Vancouver – Nov 17

            Wed Dec 4:
            4:30pm – Vancouver v Rangers (battle of the kicked out coaches) – Nov 30
            6pm – Toronto v Montreal – Nov 30
            7:30pm – Detroit v Ottawa – Dec 1

        • Bill says:

          How can you watch live hockey at night in Australia?

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Marc10 says:

            @SlovakHab:

            Yeah… As expected… Very few Habs games, eh? You pick the game and I’ll show up. Might drag along some of the finer characters from my hockey team to add colour. Sadly many are Leaf Fans, but I’ll make sure the Habs are well represented.

            @Bill:

            Australia (The East Coast: Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and those idiots in Brisbane and Queensland who don’t have daylight savings…) get the games from early morning to late morning and lunch depending on the time of year. You grab a coffee, flip on GameCenter or whatnot and you’re there. It’s a very civilised way to watch a game.

            We’re a day ahead… so you’re Saturday night is our Sunday morning. You guys are on the beer and we’re on the coffee or early beer lunch.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        If he’d had a decent season last year he probably would have been signed, but there were enough question marks on and off the ice that the team wanted to hold off and make him prove himself. If he’s not going to turn out, might as well save the bucks and the contract slot.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/05/canadiens-darren-dietz-shines-at.html

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/dalton-thrower-nemesis-lorne-molleken.html

  25. The Gumper says:

    Looking forward to a great season! Does anybody know where I can buy a white Canadiens practice jersey? I’ve tried the Habs website and the NHL store and can only find the blue one. Any help would be much appreciated! GHG!

  26. Bill says:

    @UCE: Nonsense, everyone at HIO knows that Kreider is a superstar and Leblanc is a bust.

    I have no choice but to conclude that the people who post that Leblanc should never have been drafted have never looked at that draft list. They all act like the Habs passed on a dozen Luciks and Crosbys to pick the local kid.

  27. somtawyer says:

    Off topic I’m sure, but is anyone else impatient for VT on Tuesday?

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    In Louis Leblanc news, Chris Kreider was also sent down to the AHL today by the Rangers. So for those of us who think we should have picked him instead of the local boy, we’re still witnessing a close race, it’s a dead heat.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=20830&navid=nhl:topheads

    Everyone just thank your lucky stars that we didn’t end up with Nazem “(hold me back…) Let me at them!” Kadri.

    • ProHabs says:

      Wow, that is surprising, after the way Kreider played against the Bruins in the playoffs last year, I thought he would have been a lock to make the Rangers. I think I would still prefer him over Louis. Perhaps there is another deal between the Habs and the Rangers to be made there.

    • SlovakHab says:

      The whole Leblanc draft beyond the top few picks was unremarkable. People complain about Leblanc, but in hindsight, there is very few players picked in that draft after Leblanc that have played significantly more games and scored significantly more points than Louis.

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html

  29. Un Canadien errant says:

    I guess with Mikhail Grabovski in their lineup, the Caps didn’t need shifty, promising centre Mathieu Perreault anymore, so they swapped him to the Ducks for 6’6″ left winger John Mitchell, who I’ve never heard of, but now want on the Canadiens. It’s not just that he’s 6’6″, really, there’s also his weight of 225 lbs.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=684782&navid=nhl:topheads

  30. 123456 says:

    Does anyone know hoe many of the series “24CH” were produced last season. In the States I am just now seeing them on the NHL Network. I saw a couple that started the season and a couple that ended the season – I am not sure how many are in between and if there was one for the playoff series. By the way – loved them.

  31. Bill says:

    Well, don’t know how to feel about that. It’s not like there was a good way to end it.

  32. Sportfan says:

    Look at this the Blue Jays went from 83.7 million dollars to 119.3 million the Blue Jays managed to win one more game than they did in 2012 that is sad.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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  33. Un Canadien errant says:

    One of the crazy things about the Breaking Bad finale tonight is that people in the U.K. have to wait until tomorrow night since it’s broadcast on Mondays. That may have worked in the seventies and eighties, but nowadays that’s asking for a lot. Those poor bâtards will have to completely avoid Facebook and Twitter and Reddit and Grantland and basically any 21st Century technology. Any time they walk into a room they’ll have to exclaim: “Don’t tell me how Breaking Bad ends! Don’t tell me anything, I don’t want to know!”

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • ZepFan2 says:

      IMDB message boards have imploded.

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      For Your Life

    • habsfan0 says:

      For the second time in 3 weeks,both the Bills and the Chargers win on the same day..and the Steelers are 0-4.

      The world is indeed turning upside down.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        My greatest concern this summer, that we wouldn’t have any protection for Philip Rivers, has been allayed somewhat in the first four games. They’re competent, keep him upright and able to win games, and we can run the ball, as opposed to everything since LaDainian left. So yeah, with a no-name journeyman offensive line, we’ll be in most games, and not as I feared in the hunt for the first overall pick. That’s for Burly’s team.

        E.J. Manuel is doing pretty well judging from the highlights. I have had my eye on Robert Woods for Fantasy Football purposes, got a big catch today.

        One name I’m not hearing is Mario Williams, how’s he doing?

        • habsfan0 says:

          After Mario’s super game against Carolina where he accumulated 4 and a half sacks,he has been largely invisible since(despite getting 1 sack vs Flacco today.) This,unfortunately,appears to be a pattern over his entire career..great game followed by several mediocre ones.

        • 123456 says:

          Mario had 4.5 sacks against the panthers and 2 more today

          • habsfan0 says:

            Are you sure he got 2 sacks?
            I counted only 1.

          • 123456 says:

            you are correct it was dareus that had 2. I only saw first half as had to drive my son to his game (which was an exciting come from behind score the tying goal with the goalie pulled)

      • 123456 says:

        BILLs FAN here – WOOT WOOT

        and me thinks I have used all my allotted WOOTs for the season

  34. Bill says:

    Ooh, Stevie Ray, hope you’re kidding.

  35. Bill says:

    Well fellow Breaking Bad fans, this is it. I am consumed with dread. It’s like seeing the end of the Scottish Play for the first time.

  36. Steven says:

    Looking at those practice rosters, I’m befuddled by Bouillon being in and Murray being the 7th man. I will say ahead of time that I have no idea whether or not Murray recovered from his injury, so if he hasn’t and that’s why he’s the 7th, just bear with me.

    As much as we all love Bouillon(some a lot more than others) and appreciate the fact that he brings a little toughness to the back end, Murray basically does everything better. He might be really slow but he’s an upgrade on Bouillon.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      It’ll be interesting this year to see how the coaches use their d-men, in what situations and from game to game. Last season Tomas Kaberle and Yannick Weber were reserves in name only, they hogged two spots on the roster but couldn’t contribute. Francis Bouillon, Douglas Murray, Davis Drewiske, Jarred Tinordi and even Raphaël Diaz might be worked in and out of the lineup based on situations, injuries, opponents, home or away games, etc. And the musical chairs will get more complicated when Alexei Emelin returns. It’s good to have depth, should be fun.

  37. Un Canadien errant says:

    Watching the Chargers game on Fox, saw quite a few promos for the new show featuring former TSN Sportsdesk anchors Jay Onrait and Dan O’Toole. In one clip, Mr. Onrait says the American viewing public has received him well mostly because he looks like Sheldon from “The Big Bang Theory”.

    I wish those clowns well, but won’t really miss them, their act was tiresome, over the top of ‘over the top’. Some may disagree, but I was watching to see sports highlights, not Jay Onrait mug for the camera.

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  38. Arnou Ruelle says:

    What do you guys think of John Tortorella?

    http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/1/0/1013545/clip/0

    To me, he’s an overly honest person. His personality is annoying in front of the media. But when he does sit in these candid situations, I think he seems ok. From a standpoint that he got fired in NY going to the Canucks, he’s trying to change his image. Not easy, but he’s trying.

    • Phil C says:

      Good interview. If he could keep the honesty while softening it with some tact, he would do better with the media I think.

      I also think it is a bit unfair that these guys (players and coaches) have to talk to the media immediately after games when the competitive juices are still flowing. The interviews would be less volatile even the next morning.

    • SmartDog says:

      The problem with Torts is that he goes to the well too many times.

      Smart coaches point the finger in rare situations to call out a guy or a problem. Torts just blames everybody all the time. When blamestorming is a core tool for solving problems, you have a problem.

      There’s nothing wrong with “we need to work on that”, or “we had some bad bounces, but there were things I liked”, and shielding your guys while they work things out.

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  39. Mavid says:

    Is everyone as excited as I am? Tomorrow I will prepare.. out comes all the stuff..whooohoooooo

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  40. habstrinifan says:

    Gorges and Tinordi practising as a PK unit. Based on pre-season and last year it means that Markov and another DMAN will be the other PK unit. MT will definitely have Markov on both the PP #1 unit and #1 or #2 on the PK unit. I dont think Markov’s PK partner will be P.K.. I didnt see who the article said was the other pairing.

    I am NOT DISPUTING the viability of these pairings. They may be the best deployment for the team.

    But if P.K is not one of the primary PK d-men (I dont think he will be at least to start out the season), it should give PAUSE to all the posters who
    a) blame TSN or Hockey Canada selectors who view P.K as ‘protected’ .
    b) to all the posters who refused to acknowledge MT’s (refusal) /distrust of P.K. on the PK.
    c) those who ‘were sure’ that Markov’s minutes this year would be ‘reduced’
    d) The cockamamy post the other day which said that PK wasnt on the P.K because of he had that neck spasm.

    Wake up folks. What you saw last year is what you’ll get this year albeit with the addition of Tinordi.

    I post this because sometimes there is not a quantum of reality in the expectations we ponder.

    • Adidess says:

      There is zero chance that MT chooses not to use Subban on either PK unit. I am not saying this because I know any more/better than you do, it’s just that no coach would be this crazy!

      MT would rather win games, I think. Playing Subban in all situations gives him the best chance to do so. And if pre-season is any indication, he played PK quite a bit on the PK. But one never knows, maybe the coach will try to out-smart himself.

      My feeling is this season won’t be easy, MT better not start with the mind games at all this year.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I disagree with you. When MT iced a fairly regular lineup in pre-season he did not give P.K much PK minutes. In fact it was so evident that it prompted one cockamamy post that P.K was not on the PK because he had neck spasms.

        Now I admit the pre-season was a very small sample, especially when you conisider that only once maybe was a proportionately full lineup iced. And so you may be ABSOLUTELY right that he will be a top PK guy.

        I do admit to being rather disbelieving re the content of HIO lately. This prompted by what was a weird reaction to Bournival being given a chance with the big club based on his performance at camp. I admit that not everyone reacted weirdly but enough did and in a quite startlingly emphatic manner that it was quite an anomaly. Fans upset that a bright energetic and new rookie forced himself into the picture.
        Among the posts that stood out were “Bournival SHOULD NOT be on this team” “Dumont deserves the roster spot more”. I may be egregiously ignorant in real hockey IQ, but if I were a GM and was offered Bournival or Dumont, I know whom I would have chosen.

        Oh well by Tuesday I will be able to channel my aggravation at the stooopid Leafs.

        • Adidess says:

          I caught some of the protest against retaining Bournival, but I thought that was clearly a minority view on here. Bournival won the right to stay up with the club fair and square.

          Now, one can recognize Bournival deserves a chance based on his camp performance without necessarily supporting the idea to keep him in Montreal for limited game action. There is no clear roster spot for him right now (with Gionta back) and he’ll likely sit out the first game against Toronto. Were sitting out to become a regular occurrence, you’d agree that staying doesn’t really help him.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          trini, if you’re referring to my posts about the Dumont vs. Bournival issue, I think you’re overstating the degree of controversy. I remember touching on this, it was early in the camp before Michaël won the job with his stellar performance throughout. I made liberal use of the words ‘may’, ‘might’, ‘I suspect’, among other CYA words. Considerations deliberated included experience, fit on the fourth line, waiver eligibility, etc. So I don’t know that there’s an ‘anti-Bournival’ faction, or that anyone begrudges him being on the team. The only objections I remember reading are to his size from the usual sources, or the fact that he might be better off on the Top 6 in Hamilton than in the press box in Montréal.

  41. Fransaskois says:

    I know a lot of people were considering Kyle Beach as a reclamation project this summer…. He was just sent to Sweden to play with HV71. Highly doubt he has a legitimate NHL future after this move, it doesn’t bode well for his “potential”.

  42. Alvin says:

    Interesting that the poll shows that 2 out of 3 think that the Habs will be better than either the Penguins,Bruins,Sens,Red Wings,Rangers,Leafs

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      They were last year although it was a shortened season. Personally I think they might just squeak in and have a rough time just to make the playoffs

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      Tell that poll to the pundits and analysts from every major sports network covering the NHL and they will throw back at you with a hundred refutations and excuses.

      If ever the postseason starts, this is what will happen: every analyst from Bob Mckenzie all the way to Pierre McGuire will try to ‘water’ their sweet talk about our team. But when they give the floor to the other panelists who will cover the playoffs, its all the same all bs! When the Habs come to the playoffs, they have this crystal ball of their ego that will honestly say they shouldn’t have made it. But then, this team is still kicking ass despite the bla bla bla that they don’t deserve.

  43. habs001 says:

    Who cares what TSN,Sportnet or other sites predict about the season…One thing for sure is that this site has some of the most paranoid posters about TSN and CBC….

  44. Danno says:

    Me want hockey!

    C’mon Tuesday

    Leafs vs Habs… Two more sleeps.

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  45. HabinBurlington says:

    Unbelievable start to the NFL season for Peyton Manning, it’s like he is playing flag football out there, untouched and able to orchestrate whatever he wants.

    • slyCH says:

      He sure is having a season for the ages. Not a fan but always respected his play.

      Meanwhile my vikings have to leave the continent to win their first game of the season.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Your Vikings beat my very lowly Steelers. Congrats to you, wonder who the Steelers will take with the first overall draft pick next season. ;-)

      • Landof10000lakesHab says:

        You need a back-up plan (team). Living for a time in Minnesota has me rooting half-heartedly for the Vikings, with the Niners as my long time #1 team.

        It has been a long and difficult journey for hardcore Vikings fans. “Anderson has not missed one all year” – been hearing that one since the heartbreak 1998 “take a knee game”.

        Good thing there is plenty of great hockey in Minnesota.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      Always loved Peyton. I hope he wins another super bowl to quiet his critics somewhat.

      • Adidess says:

        Big fan of Peyton here. Only a SuperBowl victory this year will allow me to get over that improbable loss to Baltimore, with the game seemingly in the bag in the fourth quarter.

  46. Arnou Ruelle says:

    I see the hockey analysts from TSN are not going to have the Habs in a favourable position this time around. PFFF! Whatever!

    http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/1/0/1013568/clip/605

    – Im not sure if they will be a wild-card team. Just looking at how they battled hard, I’m feeling they will make the playoffs.

    My guess: If Jacques Martin/Jaroslav Halak Habs era back in 2008-2009 season proved the critics wrong by getting to the Eastern Finals, This will be one of those years that it may happen again.

    Not only does TSN bring the Habs into a disposition. I’m feeling ESPN or NBC sports will do the same thing.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      They might be a bubble team over the next few years that sneaks into the playoffs. Once there, you never know what can happen.

      As each year passes, the decent amount of quality prospects in Bergevin’s arsenal will continue to develop and jump into the picture.

      Players that aren’t in the long term plans will have their contacts expire or be moved. Bergevin will add some UFAs of his liking.

      So if all goes well, 3-5 years from now, the Canadiens should be more than a bubble team for a good decade after.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      The “experts” always have us either out of the playoffs or a bubble team. Shows how much they know.

  47. Un Canadien errant says:

    Well, Chris popped our Mike McCarron balloon but good, but at least the second half of the Chargers game is about to start. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thankfully the Habs weren’t expecting McCarron to become an all star after a couple weeks in Junior. He clearly is high risk/high reward pick. All of his short comings at present were well known when drafted.

      • Eddie says:

        True.

        But after the Habs camp there were many thinking McCarron was now on the fast track to the NHL.

        Imagine Crisp!

        It is really a SPECIAL case when a very big and heavy player can move at an NHL pace. It is rare.

        You can find very tall players but they are likely to be extremely thin as well.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          No doubt this place over reacts to most things, Hyperbole is kind of the norm here.

          I have high hopes for McCarron, but they are indeed hopes.

          • Eddie says:

            Look. I thought Drouin would be one of the best rookies in the league this year. I thought he would do well learning from St Louis especially. What do I know?? Ha! Ha! Not much.

    • Ncognito says:

      Chargers looking good in the second half…10 unanswered points so far and driving for more.

    • Chris says:

      There was no intent to pop his balloon, and I don’t think most of us thought any different. I just wanted to give my observations based on watching him very carefully this afternoon. Take them with a huge grain of salt.

      • HabFab says:

        :)
        You have got to love it!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Your report was very much appreciated Chris. Note I said “our balloon”, meaning our expectation that in a couple of years time he’ll be a vengeful presence on our Top 6 laying waste to Bruins and Flyers. I do know he’s a project, but the writeups were so positive and optimistic at the development camp and Team USA and training camp, that I got carried away a little bit along with the Commentariat. I was expecting him to play first-line minutes to start the season at least, with the other first-rounders. The fact that it’s possible he’ll be on the third line with the Rupert twins jolts me back to reality. No grain of salt needed, that’s not debatable, that’s a fact.

  48. Stevie.Ray says:

    Anyone else think Toronto is making a mistake keeping Reilly on the team?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      My initial reaction is yes, mistake. However, he could indeed just be getting the 9 game taste of the NHL to help him learn what he needs to work on.

      The wild card I think could be Liles, is this team willing to send him to the Marlies in order to get the $950K cap savings? Seems they couldn’t trade him given the waivers he was placed on.

      Having Gardiner, Liles and Reilly seems like too many offensive oriented Dmen. But I must admit, Reilly has looked in the preseason.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Don’t worry, they still have that lunkhead Mark Fraser, he drags down their average.

        Oh, and after contaminating me with hours of Korbinian Holzer and Mike Kostka hype last season, with Mark Masters slurping them every chance he could, the former is on waivers and the latter was let go as a free agent.

        Which boy wonder will get all the ink this season and disappear before the next?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I would be okay with Boy Wonder Masters disappearing! Toronto was very fortunate to make a deal with Franson, one could argue he is Toronto’s most important all around defenceman.

  49. Chris says:

    Just got back from the Guelph Storm’s 6-3 win over the short-handed London Knights. The Knights started the game without Bo Horvat, who is being returned to junior after camp with the Canucks, and lost Max Domi late in the first when he fired a nasty looking elbow/forearm at Brock McGinn in retaliation for an earlier hit by McGinn.

    Despite the lack of Horvat, Mike McCarron started the game on the Knights’ 3rd line, playing right wing with twins Matt and Ryan Rupert. Ice time is going to be an issue for McCarron on a deep Knights roster…he only had two shifts in the first 12 minutes, and saw almost no power play time despite the lack of Domi and Horvat. He played much more in the second, but certainly not the kind of minutes that I think that he needs to properly develop.

    In terms of his play, there was not a big sample set to evaluate him on. He is not a fast skater…decidedly average for the OHL, but he should be okay because of his size. His agility leaves a lot to be desired, and his acceleration is understandably non-existent…he has very heavy feet. He spent most of his time gliding around trying to maintain speed so that he could do something if he received the puck. He made a few nice reads and broke up some offensive plays, but didn’t contribute much offensively despite an assist (it was a scramble where he picked up an assist after being one of 10 guys to stab at the puck). He wasn’t terribly physical in this game, throwing very few bodychecks, and unfortunately he suffered a shoulder injury after getting smoked by Brock McGinn (the heavy hitter on the Storm that I mentioned yesterday). The shoulder did not look good when he came off the ice…he was not moving that arm at all.

    If I had to make conclusions based on one game of watching him very carefully, I would say that McCarron is a project. The skill is there, as is the size. But he’s got a pretty long road in front of him before he shows up playing games that mean something in the NHL.

    • Eddie says:

      too bad you’re a teacher, you should be a scout.

      how many 6’5, 230 lbs 18 year olds have been drafted in the 1st round and made the NHL in the past 10 or 15 years?

      this is a project for sure.

      • Chris says:

        On McCarron, I agree. I think the team has always known he is a project, but some fans might have unrealistic timelines for his Habs debut.

        When you watch NHL games, you rarely see players (except perhaps Ovechkin and Kovalchuk) who glide around the defensive zone to maintain speed. More commonly, players have to stop-start all over the defensive zone, turning their shift into a series of wind sprints. In that type of game, McCarron is going to suffer because of his slow feet.

        I was impressed with his reads though…he generally went to the right places on the ice and had a knack for forcing opposing players to deviate from their preferred skating/passing lane.

        The 6-3 score in today’s game did not reflect the play. London largely was taking it to the Storm, but weren’t converting their chances. Put Horvat, Domi, Maatta and Zadorov back on that team and they are going to be lethal.

        People should make the effort to get out and see the Knights play. That will be on of the deepest junior teams in recent memory when all hands are on deck.

        • Eddie says:

          Are you surprised that Drouin was sent back to junior? Playing another season in the Q is not like playing for the knights in the OHL. He has nothing left to learn there. Too bad the AHL is not an option in cases like these.

    • HabFab says:

      Did McCarron return after hurting his shoulder?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      This is where we can revisit the decision to play at London rather than at Western Michigan. My sense is that NCAA hockey is heavy on practices and skill development, while CHL hockey is better for playing lots of games and developing that game feel and facing pressure situations. I thought that getting lots of gym time and working on his skating stride in college might be preferable, based on the scouting reports. A bonus would have been that he could have turned pro and played AHL hockey next season, as an option. With the Knights, he has to play at least one more season before he can go to the AHL.

      Now, when we were told that Mike would play on the first line with Bo Horvat and Max Domi, that he’d get lots of powerplay time, be the guy who bangs in the corners on that line and mucks it up in front of the net, pots in rebounds, that sounded good. We thought of a possible selection to the US World Junior squad, and a guaranteed trip to the Memorial Cup, and we all relented and let him break his commitment to the WMU Broncos, but was that under false pretenses? It’s early, and we shouldn’t panic just yet, but really, were we astoundingly stupid to trust Dale Hunter?

      • Chris says:

        The funny thing is that I never saw Hunter promise anything regarding ice time or top-line opportunities for McCarron. Most of the Knights fans I know figured McCarron would be put with the Ruperts to give that line some size.

  50. B says:

    Habs Preseason Stats:
    Player..games G A Pts +/- PIM Shots TOI
    Pacioretty.. 4 5 1 6 +2 0 14 52:44
    Subban…….4 2 4 6 -1 2 10 67:37
    Desharnais..4 1 5 6 +0 8 3 50:15
    Bournival….6 4 1 5 +2 2 19 66:25
    Pateryn……4 1 4 5 -1 2 5 47:44
    Briere……..4 0 4 4 +2 6 8 65:22
    Nygren…….4 1 2 3 -2 0 8 55:09
    St.Pierre…..3 1 2 3 +1 4 5 48:33
    Bouillon……3 0 3 3 +1 0 1 58:45
    Tinordi…….6 0 3 3 -5 10 8 96:21
    Galchenyuk.5 2 0 2 +0 6 4 60:57
    Eller……….5 0 2 2 +0 8 5 81:06
    McCarron…3 0 2 2 +0 4 5 25:25
    Diaz……….5 1 0 1 +2 2 8 114:48
    Moen………4 1 0 1 +0 24 3 46:24
    Nystrom…..1 1 0 1 +0 0 1 11:06
    Plekanec….3 1 0 1 -2 2 7 55:59
    White……..5 1 0 1 -1 34 5 53:52
    Bourque….3 0 1 1 -1 0 7 53:22
    Collberg….3 0 1 1 -3 4 1 24:49
    Gionta……1 0 1 1 +1 0 3 15:46
    Holland…..3 0 1 1 +0 0 4 25:52
    Leblanc…..1 0 1 1 +1 2 2 14:44
    Markov…..3 0 1 1 +2 0 6 71:11
    Prust……..3 0 1 1 -4 12 3 31:5
    Gallagher.4 0 0 0 +0 5 6 58:29

    Player games W L T SA GV GAA Save% TOI
    Price 4g 2 1 0 100 9 2.60 .910 207:39
    Budaj 3g 1 1 0 55 7 3.50 .873 120:00

    Sorry if the formatting is awkward

    –Go Habs Go!–

  51. ProHabs says:

    Is it true Patrice Cormier is on waivers. I would take a chance on that guy. Could be a good 3rd or 4th line center with an edge. He is still young.

    • Bill says:

      Pros: Big. Young. Plays tough. Decent hands for a third/fourth line guy, decent goal scorer in AHL, French-Canadian.

      Cons: Very injury prone. Maxes out as a third-liner.

      I gotta love a guy from Moncton, New Brunswick though. I say grab him!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • ProHabs says:

        I would be a little surprised if Montreal doesn’t grab him considering the French connection. He seems like the type of guy both Bergevin and Therrien would take a chance on. If they do take him, does Cormier have to stay on the big team roster all year.

        • Bill says:

          If he were a Quebecer I think they’d be more likely to jump on him.

          And I don’t know the answer to your question. I googled and found nothing. I am not reading that CBA, sorry.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • johnnylarue says:

            Having rocked my rural NB “joual” dialect in some of Montreal’s finer restaurants, I can vouch for the fact that a Moncton boy is not gonna get any special love from the “pure laine” crowd.

            That’s la vie!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Maritime Ronn pasted the relevant section in the CBA, and there is no mention of that, although I thought it was a rule too. I know that in baseball this rule does exist for certain waiver claims, that might be where we get that from.

          The CBA only states that if you claim a player on waivers, you can’t trade him until you offer him up to all the other teams that initially put in a claim for him, and they can claim him through the usual waiver process.

          In a sense, there’s no need for any rule, since the team that would claim him and then want to send him down to the AHL would also have to expose him to waivers.

          • Phil C says:

            Although not specifically mentioned in the CBA, I can’t imagine the league, or especially the NHLPA, would let a team claim a player and then put him in the minors. Even if they did, he would have to go on waivers again before sending him down, so the original team could claim him back, and it would start all over again. The whole point of waivers is to prevent teams from stockpiling NHL talent on the farm and to allow a player who is good enough to continue to earn an NHL salary.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      Nothing against him but who do you take out of the lineup?

      Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

  52. slapshot777 says:

    Ray Feraro pick the Habs ahead of the Leafs and he likes the Habs defense

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

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  54. Ncognito says:

    Ference named captain of the Oilers.

  55. Mick says:

    Sport.net, CBC and TSN all have the Leaf’s going to the finals.
    Can somebody start a English broadcast that is neutral in it’s coverage.
    I hate the Leaf love I see and hear everyday. It is only going to get worse.
    Hope the Leaf’s tank and the leaf love dies down.
    Why is Moen playing Tuesday instead of White?
    White has that crazy edge the Hab’s need and Moen has shown he is ready for the farm.

  56. scavanau says:

    Isn’t that sweet… CBC picks now to have broadcast issues in my area. That leaves (puking sound) NESN and NHL.net for watching hockey.

    IT BETTER BE FIXED BEFORE TUESDAY. Just saying…

  57. jedimyrmidon says:

    PK better be on the PK.

    I have to say, if he isn’t, Therrien and his coaching staff are deliberately holding him back for reasons that certainly don’t have to do with icing a competitive team.

    • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

      Totally agree that Subban should be on the PK. However, I wouldn’t read evil intent into his NOT being on the PK. A lot of coaches and ‘experts’ erroneously see Subban as a bit too high risk in his own end, and Therrien – a hidebound old-school type – may share this assessment. There may also be some ridiculous ‘logic’ about ‘managing minutes’ (as though PK, as pure a throroughbred as has ever worn the CH, couldn’t play 30 minutes a night and be happy as a clam). If he’s not on the PK, it’s likely a result of the all-too-common vice of *overcoaching* rather than devious contract management.

  58. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Brown with a highlight reel INT for the Als 11-4 at the end of the 3rd Q.

    24 cups and counting….

  59. Un Canadien errant says:

    Some interesting names on that waiver list. Patrice Cormier is a big young tough slightly unbalanced winger, could use one of those guys. Jeff Schultz is being waivered, Douglas Murray ended being the big cheap defenceman acquired to bolster our toughness there, and I know that Jeff Schultz isn’t a terror, but he is a rightie, and a little better with the puck.

    We do see the dynamic though of how Gabriel Dumont easily went through waivers. If we pick up a guy on waivers, either we have to put one of our own on waivers, or send a promising kid back down to Hamilton and mess with his morale. No wonder teams are leery of picking up another team’s castoffs, this early in the season every roster spot seems to be spoken for. Later on this season, if these players and others were waived, by then a few holes would have been created by injuries, and they’d be snapped up.

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  60. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Carter with some nice YAC yards and it’s 11-4 Als in the 3rd Q.

    24 cups and counting….

  61. Timo says:

    Boy, Gorges sure is the one to talk about brutal PK. Perhaps instead of ‘we’ he should say ‘I’. As in I was brutal last year.

  62. habs11s says:

    T-Bay’s Drouin got sent back to the Q

    There goes my pick for the Calder this year…

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  63. B says:

    Thrower is indeed on his way back to the Giants. I thought he showed well enough to merit a depth D spot on the Dogs, but agree he is better off back in the WHL. I hope he has a dominating season there and look forward to seeing how he does next in camp next September. Lots of potential there.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  64. Trisomy 21 says:

    I’m doing the draft for my keeper pool today. Anyone got any great ideas about who my rookie should be? I don’t want to go off the board to pick the guy but who would you rank as the top 5 rookies relative to their position?

    I’m now thinking
    Murray > Scheifle > Mackinnon > Baertschi > Krug?
    Drouin might get a lot of ice time on TB but I’m not sure if he will last the season. And there are wild cards like Jenner who they want to start with Dubinsky (but for how long?) And Hertle who they have said will start with Thornton (for how long?). I guess there’s also Jones who’s likely to stick with the Preds for the whole season.

    What does everyone think?

  65. Eddie says:

    I really like Tinordi but I would not give him 1st like penalty kill duty with Gorges.

    Who is 2nd line penalty kill?

  66. B says:

    I see from the nhl.com article above that use of the “EGG line” moniker is spreading. I don’t like it myself and hope that the line does really well in spite of that unfortunate nickname.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  67. Strummer says:

    So far I have to say the last thread was better!

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  68. Danno says:

    Close but no cigar…

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  70. BJ says:

    Any internet links to watch the Als-Sask game?

  71. NoTinFoilCups says:

    First!

  72. Chris says:

    Actually, they often do, although first round picks are usually more heavily scouted (more like 5-10 viewings).

    But I was careful to say that it was a very limited data set. McCarron didn’t get enough ice time for me to make any grand projections like “can’t miss” or “definite bust”. Instead, I just said that the talent is there, but he’s got a long road.

    Most reasonable Habs fans already know this. I was just giving my observations based on watching him whenever he was on the ice.

  73. Chris says:

    Every team in the NHL will make some decisions based upon a player’s origin and or nationality. Montreal is no different.

    The Ducks drafted Emerson Etem because he was a good player, but it surely didn’t hurt that he was a rare California native. Teams at all levels love the feel-good story of a local kid making the team.

    I don’t think anybody believes that it is a dominant factor. But to argue that GM’s shouldn’t consider it is pretty unrealistic.


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