Tinordi sent down to Hamilton, Pateryn called up

The Canadiens announced on Wednesday morning that defenceman Jarred Tinordi has been sent down to the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs. Later in the day the Canadiens announced that defenceman Greg Pateryn was being called up from Hamilton.

Tinordi was a healthy scratch for Tuesday’s 4-3 loss to the Edmonton Oilers at the Bell Centre with Nathan Beaulieu taking his spot on the blue line.

Tinordi was pointless in six games with the Canadiens, with nine penalty minutes and was even in the plus/minus stats.

Douglas Murray (upper body) and George Parros (concussion) skated on their own Wednesday in Brossard with Murray saying he’s getting “closer” to returning to the lineup.

“I just want to hit some people,” he said.

Carey Price, who will start Thursday night against the Anaheim Ducks at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690) was the first player on the ice for Wednesday’s practice working on rebound control with goalie coach Stephane Waite.

“It’s important to work on the little details in your game,” Price said. “It helps you refocus and get prepared for the upcoming games.”

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice:

Galchenyuk–Eller–Gallagher
Bournival–Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque–Desharnais–Moen
Blunden–White–Holland

Markov–Subban
Gorges-Diaz
Beaulieu-Bouillon

(Photo by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

Oilers come back to sink Habs 4-3, by Pat Hickey

Canadiens strong start unravels, by Pat Hickey

Jab by Eller gives Oilers extra motivation, by Dave Stubbs

Canadiens vs. Oilers photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

Depleted Oilers pot four straight to down Habs, Edmonton Journal

Repeat performance for Holland with Habs? Canadiens.com

535 Comments

  1. Old Bald Bird says:

    One of the pundits on Twitter made the observation that Tiny hadn’t been nearly as confident or effective since MT called him out for taking himself out of position with a big hit in preseason.

    Just thought I would throw that into the mix. Maybe MT is too brutally up front sometimes.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Oy-oy-oy-oy-oy…

      If one comment from your coach is going to annihilate your confidence, then you’ve got some growing up to do, methinks.

      And it’s not as if he crucified him; I remember the comment, and seemed very offhand.

      Anybody remember what Dick Irvin Sr. was like?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  2. rhino514 says:

    It´s a tough period now with the injuries. It is also a danger period through which the team has to just tread water and just get through and not fall back too much. Thankfully, it´s an 82 game season this time around.
    I´d just like to point out a couple of possible pluses; the injuries are permitting younger guys to play more minutes. Bournival is getting a shot on the top nine and we can assess what he can accomplish there. Both Tiny and Beaulieu have a gotten a little more experience on the big club which can only serve them well. Pateryn has taken on more responsibility in Hamilton and seems to be dominating over there. He could surprise on the big club.
    Bournival in particular would be a great surprise as he was not considered an A prospect and we don´t have much in the way of promising forwards who are close to being ready. One of the 3 D prospects could establish themselves as capable Dmen before the season is over. These would be big pluses in terms of depth and make for a stronger team by season´s end.
    But they have to battle and get through this tough stretch

  3. krob1000 says:

    Anyone noticing the antiselection with respect to what to call and what to not call in the NHL lately has gotten out of hand?
    They adopt all of these rules to weed out obstruction and give the more skilled palyers room to move yet every time a skilled player gets obstructed with it is ignored because he is a smaller or skilled guy so he must have not been fouled?

  4. Mattyleg says:

    Man, Eller just can’t keep his mouth shut.

    Apparently he now has ‘a reaction’ to Martin’s dismissal.

    Jeezis…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. krob1000 says:

    Things to brighten your day

    Teams is over .500 despite injuries….

    Max Pacioretty is 1 week done his supposed 3 week injury, factor in the Wolverine history and he could be back sooner?

    Prust? is healing and his new shoulder should allow him to come back with 2 working shoulders…

    Pleks looks to have returned and once again is producing despite not getting the teams best wingers….

    Subban and the kids are all phenomenal

    Markov looks better than anyone thought he would and DOES seem to be regaining some of his form and while he will never skate like he used to he is skating now like most 35 year old dmen would…but he thinks the game like only a handful of 35 year olds do.

    The Habs right now would beat many a team in the alley as that is where Parros, Murray, Emelin and PRust are during the games…but many of those guys are close and some should be ready sooner than later.

    All we have to do is make it through the next 8 or 10 games and things should be significantly better after that. If the team can go somewhere around .500 for that stretch than there is plenty of time…this is not the 48 game schedule.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I like this Krob fella.

      Yeah, he’s a-okay.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • The Cat says:

      Of course its not the end of the world, every team is in the hunt, even the last place teams can go 4out of 5 and be back in it…Im worried about Prust though. MB should try and seek a tough sparkplug type of player. I know they dont grow on trees.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  6. habs11s says:

    This new NHL14 game is way too real…. in my ‘GM Mode’ I have Subban, Gio and Gorges injured long term….

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    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  7. Habcouver says:

    Despite my disappointment with yesterday’s loss, the sun still rose from the east.
    Reading some of posts between sips of expresso, I’m entertained once again by the passion of Hab fans. Spanning across the world, We agree and disagree over how this media-hyped team performs. Technology allows us to keep informed and in touch, and that truly impresses me.
    So we haven’t been impressed with the Hab’s recent performance and two-game losing streak. I believe that they’ll have longer losing streaks and more adversity thrown their way this season. However, I will continue to believe in the Habs… because for the best reason: I am a Hab fan.
    Keep those posts flowing, fans and trolls alike, keep it clean, and Go Habs Go!

    Waiting patiently for #25

    • bwoar says:

      One question: what’s ‘expresso’ ?

      Is that the word for the leftover coffee in the pot from last night, that you grab while flying out the door, and drink cold on the way to work the next day? I like a splash of milk to freshen it up. Expresso con leche.

      “thoroughbred”

  8. frontenac1 says:

    DD centering Parros and Gillies….discuss.

  9. Propwash says:

    J.T’s thoughts on the Eller thing, well worth the read.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2013/10/unstructured-fat-walruses-and-better.html?m=1

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  10. sweetmad says:

    I think, sending Tinordi down is about keeping him an AHL player,so we don’t lose a year on his contract,nothing more than this.
    As I see it, we will call up our 3 most ready young D men, as the need arises, throughout the year,to give them all experience,we are lucky to be in the position where we can do this.When the time comes for them to become NHL players, we should get the full years,on their contracts.

    Makes sense to me,we have so many our d men injured,we don’t really have room to make our youngsters, full time NHL players.We have several D men that their contracts will be up next year.With the rotation of bringing the kids up,they will be more ready to take over full time,getting lots of ice time when they are down with the dogs,and big club experience,when they need to fill in,if this is correct,good thinking on the part of MB.
    Of course I could be wrong.
    GO HABS GO

    • Ali says:

      Tinordi has already played over 9 games in the NHL, so that first year of his contract is already burned.

      • Luke says:

        That 9 games only applies to Junior players.

        Tinordi is Professional hockey player in a professional league, whether the NHL or AHL. His contract is consumed regardless of which league he plies that trade in.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Tinordi’s contract “slided ” in the first year of his ELC playing for London (2011/12) and I believe the slide rule only applies to junior aged guys.
      “Vested seasons” counting to become a UFA is another matter

  11. Propwash says:

    How about Honey Badger’s goal eh? That was a thing of beauty!

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  12. habs001 says:

    The goal for the Habs is to make the playoffs….What they have to do is to play 500 when times are tough like now and have a few streaks. The position they finish in the conference has very little meaning as long as they are in a playoff position…Unless their first round opponent is decimated with injuries all matchups will be very tough…

  13. C-Sword says:

    The Hemsky’s goal was just ridiculous. No way should an opponent be allowed to be in the slot and have all this time to aim. Galchenyuk and the Ds got beat bad on that play.

    Let’s be serious here, the Habs aren’t much better than the Oilers. As long as we have soft Ds and washed up veterans, this team is going nowhere.

    The EGG’s line is supposed to be the 3rd one ffs, yet they are the only line that provides any kind of offense.

    I’m hoping that they get destroyed by both the Ducks and Sharks, so people and the media can come back to earth and admit how bad this team is still is.

    • Propwash says:

      That’s the spirit! Hoping the team loses…

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    • jedimyrmidon says:

      The Habs are better than the Oilers, hands down.

      They’re just missing, well, many players both in terms of key players (Pacs, Emelin, Prust) AND depth (Briere [okay, so he should be better than depth], Murray, Drewiske, Parros).

      That Hemsky goal was ridiculous: you’re right, he was able to walk right in front of Price and select his shot while the rest of the Habs boxed out everyone else EXCEPT for Hemsky and didn’t even pressure him.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Let’s also admit that Hemsky made a great play followed by a great shot. Credit where credit is due and all that. We didn’t exactly draft Galch for his defensive prowess, and I hope we are not going to fixate on that. He’s not doing too badly in that department after all.

  14. habs001 says:

    With all the punishment Gion has taken in his career he cannot be the type of player he was..Because of his experience he will get you 20 quiet goals…most games he will not be noticeable…Gallagher is the type of player now that Gion was.

  15. frontenac1 says:

    @thedagger. Re/hit on Gio. Agree! Good to see Whitey try to dispense some justice but what we really need is a guy like Gillies to Coldcock Yaks or Nuge into next week.Send a message.

    • knob says:

      I’m in favour of Gillies. That guy is crazy, scary kind of crazy. He might even punch out team mates, if certain guys don’t start producing. Bring in Staubitz too.

    • TheDagger says:

      Disclaimer: I don’t emjoy seeing people get injured.

      That said, I found myself wishing last night that we had a player that was in and out of the insane asylum that would just blow a fuse.

  16. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I have a question for anyone familiar with the city of Hamilton, Ontario. My question is based on an observation that housing prices in one part of that city are very different from the other part. The dividing line seems to be about where the 403 cuts through the city. Most places east/south of the 403 seem really cheap. Cheaper than Brampton, and Mississauga, and even Burlington based on my quick survey. The only urban area east of London than I can find that’s cheaper than that part of Hamilton is the worst part of Toronto.
    I realise that the commute into Toronto is probably a little tricky, but not everybody works in Toronto. How awful is downtown Hamilton that people still won’t move there for 3-bedroom-apartments-under-$200,000?

    P.S. I’m still not a Lars Eller fan, Diaz is our 3rd best defenceman, Josh Gorges needs to be traded before it’s too late, Bournival’s a keeper, and Nathan Beaulieu makes fewer defensive mistakes than Jarred Tinordi.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      I’m from Hamilton and there are great parts to the city, but you’re somehow not an Eller fan and you think Diaz is worth something so I can’t go much further with you on this.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Where does one begin…..

      City is really poorly run, massive debt, constant tax hikes, city services are getting worse by the year, the inner city infrastructure is falling apart.

      It is a shame to watch how Hamilton is spiralling downwards. This is not a knock to the people living there, but rather a knock on how that city has been managed for years. Ever since the big Steel industry started to decline they haven’t found a way to replace the taxation money received nor have they found other forms of industry to provide employment for the large sectors of population who were laid off etc… lost jobs.

      There are pockets of Hamilton where the housing prices are more in line with the rest of the province but by an large the city almost seems to be eroding. Efforts have been made recently to try and rebuild the core, but there is a great deal of work to be done.

      I have many friends living there and they are all frustrated, in the meantime it does provide an area for lower cost housing, but homeowners are not seeing any inflationary gain on these homes. My one friend purchased a home there for 198,000 about 7 years ago, it would now sell for about 204,000 max. That is little to no gain, while other cities (Burlington for ex.) have had much bigger increases.

      In the meantime, outskirt townships like Waterdown (Who were swallowed up by Hamilton) get massive tax hikes year after year in order to try and help the City itself with its massive debt problems.

      I am very thankful that when Mike Harris had the SuperCity mandate, that Hamilton did not get to swallow Burlington.

      • Luke says:

        And I thought the problem was that they always got pushed around by MOAR Bigger Toronto.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Thanks Burly. I’m in Georgetown right now and I couldn’t understand why anyone would pay $300,000 for a 1 bedroom condo here when they could get a bigger place for 2/3rds the money in Hamilton, but I guess the answer is that the place in Georgetown is a better investment. I completely understand why families with young kids would pay more to live in Georgetown, I just couldn’t understand why retirees, or childless people would. Also, Francis Bouillon played one year too many.

  17. habs001 says:

    Management should know if Tinordi needs more time in the AHL..On the other hand Beaulieu to me has shown very little…his shot has not looked that strong, he has been very average in his end and i have not seen one offensive move that looked impressive…

    • Mattyleg says:

      But he’s certainly playing with more confidence than Tiny was.
      That’s the difference, I think.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • sam says:

      same here. maybe they know Murray is coming back by next week so, in the meantime, they want Tinordi to work on some things down in Hamilton for his next call-up? Beaulieu would only be a spot-filler in that case. it’s my take anyway. Beaulieu looks like a Junior out there. nothing wrong with it because he’s a kid but Tinordi has looked far more stable, stronger and defensively sound–things Beaulieu is not :)

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      If you’re trying to tell me he doesn’t look worlds better than Bouillon out there I don’t know what you’re watching. He can skate his way out of tight situations and doesn’t get flustered making simple plays with the puck in his own zone. His size also a big upgrade on Diaz and Bouillon.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  18. govenah says:

    So begins the tanking.

    Its going to be a long week.

  19. Eddie says:

    Did someone just unlock the asylum or something? Houston, we’ve got a problem.

  20. wickedwelder says:

    WE are week .And get it handed to use every game but the first one WTF.

  21. hamiltonbulldogs says:

    As a hab fan … It kills me to see Toronto make great decisions

    • Mattyleg says:

      As a hab fan I couldn’t give a crap about what Toronto does.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • veryhabby says:

      hamdog….Toronto is about 3 yrs ahead of MTL in their “plan”. They have been rebuilding this since Burke arrived, Nonis is continuing on the same path.

      MB is one year on the job. I expect TO to be much better then the habs right now. The key will be when both rebuilds are done, who is better. Can’t compare apples to oranges.

      • sam says:

        the rebuild, imo, started way back with Gainey keeping Price, cutting Halak and getting Eller.

        • veryhabby says:

          Sam – ur joking right? MB is trying to undo everything that BG/PG did wrong. It’s a total rebuild. He is not continuing with the vision that Gainey had for this team. It’s his own vision and plan. Will it be better? Hopefully. Toronto started their rebuild a few years ago when Burke/nonis came onboard. They have completed changed the team from the previous GM built. One thing about Burke, he was working very fast and quickly the Leafs are a different team. I think MB said something about patience and building thru the draft. Burke built thru trades and UFA.

    • Ali says:

      Great decisions? They have a team that gets insanely outshot and outpossessed night after night, yet due to an unsustainably high shooting percentage is off to a good start. I still don’t expect them to finish any higher than 7th or 8th in the East, and easily could miss the playoffs.

      • dr. gesundheit says:

        If i recall correctly, that “unsustainably high shooting percentage…” was sustained through all of last season as well. (seem to recall all the ranting on this site re the Leaf’s unsustainable run of good luck throught the season as well)

    • Walmyr says:

      hey man…

      let’s wait to the end of the season to see and talk about those decisions…only 10% of the season played yet…

      cheers

  22. TheDagger says:

    Maybe I’m in the minority… but I thought that hit on Gionta near the Oil Barons bench was one of the dirtiest and most dangerous hits I’ve seen all year..

  23. wickedwelder says:

    KEEP Waiting for your GM to do somthing ,what is up !!!

  24. hamiltonbulldogs says:

    What does MB PG RH and BG all have in common …. All are horrible GMs !!!

  25. hamiltonbulldogs says:

    Again … Bad decision making … You sign losers and you send down young solid players

  26. hamiltonbulldogs says:

    What a joke MB … Jared is one of your better D … If he was French … Would he have stayed up???

  27. wickedwelder says:

    HELLO ! HELLO ! GM , ARE YOU ON THE JOB ?????????????????

  28. Stevie.Ray says:

    Therrien says the reason Tinordi was sent down is because Hamilton has three games this weekend and they want to give him a ton of minutes. Pateryn might be called up.

    Pateryn has been the Dogs best Dman this season so far playing the toughest 5 on 5 minutes, PP and PK.

    • Sportfan says:

      Pateryn would be an interesting Dman to see for a while with the big club. I doubt he’d hurt us.

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    • shiram says:

      I was wondering about that, they should/can definitely try Pateryn.

    • veryhabby says:

      Did Therrien say Pateryn may be called up, or are you thinking this? Easy to be the best dman in AHL when Tinordi hasn’t played a game in AHL this year, and Beaulieu has been in MTL half the time. Not saying he isn’t a solid prospect, a future player for us. But I still think Tin & Beau have more potential and impact for our team’s future.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        My interpretation of Stubbs’ tweet was that Therrien told the media they may call up Pateryn.

        And I agree, that being the best Dman on a team without their top two Dmen might not mean as much, but Pateryn has been given a ton of responsibility and has handled himself well so far. He is bit older than Tinordi and Beaulieu, so he may be more suited for the NHL game than they are. However, his ceiling is clearly lower than theirs. He looks to me to be a strong shut down defenceman that will be at home on the third pairing, but would not be out of place on the second pair. He’s the type of guy every team needs. And he isn’t small,and he was throwing his weight around during the preseason.

    • JUST ME says:

      Wherever they chose to play them ,at their age the important factor is for them to play every game big minutes.

    • olegpetrov says:

      Makes MUCH more sense to send him down and get those minutes than having him play 10 mins a game in the NHL.

      Habs fan…Nuff said

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      He is a right handed shot that may give them some better options in pairings

  29. SteverenO says:

    The only good thing about last night’s game is that maybe we will stop hearing about how guys are doing on faceoffsé Despite winning the faceoff battle 39 -20 the Habs lost the battle on the scoreboard , proving, once again that faceoffs Wins and losses are for the most part irrelevant.

    regarding Tinordi going down, it makes little difference. He and Beaulieu – Holland, Blunden, etc.will continue to be shuffled in and out of the lineup , playing “protected” minutes until some of our injured vets are ready to go back in the line up.

    Calling guys up and playing them for 6 minutes ( Holland and Blunden) Playing Beaulieu and/or Tinordi of 10 minutes a game is also ,in my opinion, foolhardy.

    if a forward is is not worthy of playing a minimum of 10 minutes he should not be dressed for the game. A defenceman who cannot handle 15 minutes should not be in the lineup. Putting too much strain on the other guys diminishes their productivity and effectiveness, and playing so sporadically does nothing to advance the growth of the young call ups.

    I would rather see the youngsters play with enthusiasm even knowing that they will make some mistakes. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. Its not as if the veterans never make any mistakes, and many of them seemed to be “going through the motions” in the last two periods, anyway

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Eddie says:

      I might not always agree with you, but I appreciate your efforts.

      “I would rather see the youngsters play with enthusiasm even knowing that they will make some mistakes. ”

      This I agree with completely.

  30. zephyr says:

    right now subban is the only dman who can handle himself. the rest are figure skaters. diaz & georges were awful last nite. thankfully, I went to see gravity & recorded the game so I didn’t waste my whole evening.
    some of it is backchecking too. our forwards seem to float around instead of taking a man. it looks like we’re inviting the kinds of beatings our d takes. subban can’t do it all himself.
    I think tinordi is down to regain his confidence.
    emelin & murray can’t get back soon enough.

  31. desertman says:

    Was at the game last night, here are some random thoughts:

    1. Markov is unreal. You don’t see it on tv, but without the puck, the guy was reading the game better than anybody on the ice. Was always a step ahead of the opposing team’s forwards. If his minutes are managed properly, I don’t see why he couldn’t continue playing at a high level for a few more years. Subban is the best player on the ice every time he is on the ice, and Markov is the smartest player on the ice, every time he’s on the ice.

    2. Beaulieu – There were a few times where he could have pinched but he decided to back off. Hes a superb skater but he has a long way to go. He did make some very clever defensive plays though, his potential is really high.

    3. Bournival – He is not the saviour many posters make him out to be. He is a hard worker and a tough little bugger. He is also a fantastic skater. His shot is average, his board work is decent and his creativity and vision isn’t anything special either. MAYBE he could become a second liner, but he looks like hes gona make a good living as a solid 3rd liner.

    4. EGG line is amazing, so exciting to watch.

    5. Most of the vets sucked, they weren’t moving their feet, sloppy passes, lazy forechecking. Pleky is awesome, super hard working and played a solid defensive game, he needs better wingers. Gio works hard but his days are behind him.

    6. White looked good and anchored his line really well.

    7. Therrien is an idiot and didnt make any mid game adjustments. He also gave too much ice time to players not working.

    8. Hockey players need to engage themselves with the fans more. During the second and third period when the bell center was absolutely dead I was talking to my buddy about how to get the crowd going and use home ice advantage. In soccer when the crowd goes quiet, you get players or coaches turning to the crowd and getting them to raise their voices and start cheering on their team. When players score goals, they do it for the club and celebrate with the fans or towards the fans. Hockey players just hold their heads down and keep their mouths shut. If you get a guy like subban, right before the faceoff facing the crowd and getting them to cheer them on, the place could erupt. This is something I feel could be a huge advantage at a place like the bell center.

    Cheers!

    • veryhabby says:

      People who say we should trade Markov are nuts. We have NO ONE who can bring to this team what he does this year or next year either. None of our top 3 D prospects can do what he does for us. Remove him from this team we are in trouble. Let’s be patient with the D development and resign Markov 2-3 yr deal.

      Don’t think anyone thinks Bournival is a savior of this team. I think most have him pegged on the 3rd line if he keeps up with the effort

      Gio isn’t the same after 2 arm injuries. He is a good depth guy, if healthy I totally see at least 20 goals from him. But that shows he shouldn’t be one of the top the go-to guys on this team. He is at most a solid 2nd liner.

      Focus on EGG makes it all less painful

      Therrien never seems to make adjustments, pretty stubborn that if his players follow his game plan that they will succeed, but at times the other team has a say too in how the game is played.

      If PK were ever to encourage the fans to make noise…his haters would make him look like a fool.

      • desertman says:

        I believe there is a saying “hates gon hate.” I was using Subban purely as an example. The point I was trying to make was at times last night the crowd was absolutely silent and it happens all the time. There has to be a way to get the crowd into the game with more intensity and frequency. Playing stupid chants on the big screen doesn’t really work.

    • Walmyr says:

      Thanks buddy…nice thoughts indeed…

      cheers

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hold on…hooooold on a second here…

      Are you trying to tell me that my infinite hockey knowledge, gleaned from television broadcasts and tv and radio pundits, may be somehow incomplete because I don’t watch games live?!?

      I have a VERY HARD TIME believing THAT, thank you very much.

      (sits back and smokes pipe)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • neumann103 says:

      Excellent post

      “Et le but!”

  32. Mondou6 says:

    The NHL’s “rules” about fighting are so convoluted, it’s hilarious.

    So two guys can halt the game, drop their gloves, and circle around with raised fists. No penalty there. But…If they remove their helmets, THAT’S a penalty.

    Oh, and what’s the other rule that a player without a visor can’t attack a player with a visor? Or vice versa?

    I was thinking today that why do they even bother to give matching 5 minute penalties for fighting? Once the fight is over, the two players usually don’t re-engage, so what’s the point? Why not just say, “Ok, fight’s over, back to the bench with both of you.”

  33. boing007 says:

    Bring up the kids, they try harder!

    Richard R

  34. Max_a_million says:

    Did you notice they still list the kids as the third line … that’s usually a problem in a locker room when everyone knows where the talent is, but they try to defer to experience.

    For this reason alone Gionta probably needs to be not re-signed, and as much as I disagree with trading Pleks. Maybe it has to happen to let the new guard in.

  35. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    Tinordi just doesn’t have the foot speed to get by right now. Fortunately, that’s something most players can improve. If he can’t, then his future at the NHL level is limited.

    • JUST ME says:

      There is one thing that adds up to your comment is that Tinordi worked very hard last summer and added on 22 pounds. Although this is great news it does affect his skating abilities. He will be much better off in Hamilton and so would Beaulieu who needs to work on his D but has offensive power like few others.

  36. mark-ID says:

    Dallas puts Aaron Rome on re-entry waivers. 6’1-220lbs
    1.3 Mil salary

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  37. Steeltown Hab says:

    It’s not all about size and toughness, but Gorges god damn, how has this guy not even got a little bit stronger over all these years.

    He’ll take a puck to the face and I love him for it but what are you doing in the offseasons, never have I seen a stay-at-home Dman who is so weak.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Max_a_million says:

      Time takes it’s toll. It’s a rough game. Guys who play well into their 30’s are the exception not the rule.

    • olegpetrov says:

      I wish he hadn’t gotten the knee surgery. Hasn’t really been the same player since. Missed a ton of time and just hasn’t gotten it back. That being said, he’s still an awesome d-man. He’s just being misused methinks. Shouldn’t be on the ice for attacking situations…just defensive (which means he’d be playing 60 mins a game lately!).

      Habs fan…Nuff said

    • H.Upmann says:

      it shows eh? PK is lifting twice a day in the summertime and getting stronger.

    • Strummer says:

      Why should a guy with a guaranteed contract get himself in a situation where he might get injured?
      Same with DD and Gionta. These guys won the lottery and won’t risk anything now.

      Then you have Gally who is making minimum and is trying to earn his big payday.

      Guaranteed long term contracts are the problem
      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  38. Max_a_million says:

    So if the objective is to not hurt Tinordi’s future by playing him more in the NHL. Then we aren’t trying enough. He is an even on the plus minus, so he’s not being beaten so badly. Well if we are going to put forth our best team then put all of our UFA’s on the trading block already. Either tank with everything you have, or put forth 100% effort. Do your best either way instead of this middle ground.

  39. habs12 says:

    Guys who think MB should make a trade, just curious who you think we could afford to give up at this point (given injuries, team depth chart, prospects, etc.) and what you would be looking to add (type of player or specific player in mind)?

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Would move Gorges because he’s one of the few tradeable guy who has value on the market. Might not be ideal situation now but he’s a piece that should be in play.

      Gionta at the deadline 100% if were not in the top 5 of the east.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • Strummer says:

        I think Gorges’ is overpaid in dollars and term for what he brings – especially with a lower cap.

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Max_a_million says:

      If you are going to trade add draft picks, prospects and less salary.

      This team isn’t good enough to trade to make better right now.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Every other GM knows Bergevin is in trouble and anything asked for will have a huge price
      Few if any Eastern Conference teams will help a wounded animal they might be fighting with in March for the 8th spot.
      There are not more than 5 guys other teams want and those 5 are our young core

    • songles says:

      I don’t see a reason to make a trade right now unless someone comes knocking. In an ideal world, we could trade Gorges to a team that needs his penalty killing and shot blocking expertise for an honest-to-goodness stay-at-home D-man, which, to my mind, the Habs don’t really have right now.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Here’s what I’d like to see next year:

      Out: Gio
      In: Leblanc, Holland, Thomas (whoever wins the job in camp)

      Out: Briere
      In: Prust promoted to top 9

      Out: DD
      In: Bournival as 3rd line C

      Bottom 6 becomes something like:
      Bourque – Bournival – Prust
      Moen – White – Parros or comparable

      Cap savings: Upgrade from Diaz to Girardi

      I know none of this will happen, though.

  40. habsguru says:

    I see Pleks as underachieving, and if his stock is as high as toted, why not mover him for some power and muscle. he is usually chasing players around, banging his stick and complaining. that’s the situation he has been put in by trying to carry an undersized team around. the D is moving the puck up well, so what is more needed, a 2 way forward in Pleks, or a bigger presence who can finish in the O zone?

    • shiram says:

      That would mean responsibilies for Eller/DD/Brière and possibly Chucky.
      Chucky is still learning the trade at the NHL speed, so it’s ok to see him sheltered some by playing winger.
      DD and Brière we know can’t play a 2 way game, and both are/were struggling to generate offense.
      Eller could do it, but for now he’d best serve as a #2 center.
      We miss Max for sure, but I don’t see moving Pleks out for a winger as a win.
      Who would he fetch anyways?

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Plekanec just plays with weak linemates constantly, I prefer Eller’s skill set, but we can’t lose him.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • boing007 says:

      Plekanec is not the problem. Nor is trading him the solution.

      Richard R

  41. Wintercount says:

    Keep hitting the keys on that typewriter Trini, your rant went straight to the nut of it. Appreciate your honesty.

    …and may all youse revelers have a great weekend.

  42. RAM_TOUGH says:

    MT was always an idiot and always will be an idiot! MB is an idiot for hiring him.

    “Kids should be seen & not heard” is that right MT. Well it’s the kids that are carrying the Habs right now.

    There are many more that should be sent to Hamilton.

    Guts-Glory-Ram

  43. habsguru says:

    how about sending DD down. emabarraing…

  44. veryhabby says:

    This team has been horrible scoring 5 on 5 for years now. I am not blaming Pleks-Gio….but rather the set of GMs who have built this team with them as our top O threat. Sure Pac now as emerged as our top “pure” goal scorer, but he’s been playing with a center who’s last good season was 2 yrs ago. And of course now he’s out.

    At start of the season, Eller’s line exploded offensively and made our first 5 game stats look great in the 5 on 5 offensive. But now that they are back to earth, still VERY young and developing, it’s back to Pleks and Gio having to lead offensively. But on a solid team, they are the depth players. They are 20-25 goal guys, and they will hit those numbers again if healthy this year. but that’s not enough to compete every night.

    So yes we are small, yes our D needs a revamp…but we also need better top 6 offensive players. If we are waiting to develop these, then don’t expect too much the next 1-3 yrs with this team besides battling maybe for a playoff spot.

  45. Propwash says:

    BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 55m
    Tinordi to Hamilton is purely a cap move. They’re right up against cap because of injuries. Can’t afford both Beaulieu Tinordi up. #habs

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  46. Sportfan says:

    Well it sucks to have Tinordi sent down, but we all rather he plays top minutes and develops in Hamilton than sitting in the press box.

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  47. The Dude says:

    Yeppers ….we fans got fk’ed over AGAIN when Molson passed on Pat Roy and now we have the blind Ego’s leading the this Shipwreck!When will they learn ? Oh and unrelated but go get that other bonehead PM Harper :) Mike Duffy!

  48. Ian Cobb says:

    Molson just sent a huge special shipment of KEGS from the brewery to Hurley’s Pub!
    Not sure why ?

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

  49. oldtimerguy says:

    great move…he needs big minutes in a leadership role…he can come back later or next yr.

  50. mark-ID says:

    On TVA Sports last night, someone made an interesting comment which rang true to me. It was mentioned the the Habs are in what should be in great position to have a great team……guys who are making very little money, are playing amazing, inspired hockey.
    When you look at past cup winners, every team has had rookies or young veterans play well above there pay grade, and that seems to be essential for team success. It takes pressure off the high paying vets from doing all the scoring.

    Now, we have Eller, Gally, Chucky, Bournival, PK…..all playing great hockey right now. Them, along with Carey are carrying the team.
    But are high paying vets just don’t look inspired out there. Gionta, Desharnais, Bourque, Plekanecs(he has 4 goals, but a couple of PP goals and one empty netter). Where is the 5 on 5 offense from these guys. Unfortunately we have run into injuries, but these vets need to take a hard long look at themselves in the mirror, and realize it is their play that will make for a successful season this year……the young guys are already doing their part, and more.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      The GM also needs to take a hard long look at himself. When you have so many good players on your team that are really cheap and some others on very nice contracts too (Pacioretty and Emelin for example) you have to do better to make the rest stronger.

      Instead of acquiring a top 4 dman and a decent winger with size MB signed three dmen who all shouldn´t be more than a number 7 plus a declining small winger.

      Then there was also the signing of Desharnais. With Eller and Plekanec around, Galchenyuk only one or two seasons away from moving to center plus Bournival, White and Prust in our organisation it was complete madness to sign him for more than two years.

      Everyone makes mistakes but these three should have been avoided easily.

  51. habstrinifan says:

    TSN’s Scott McCarthur is reminding us that tonight will be the 20th anniverasry of Joe Cater’s famous home run.

    I dont know which is more memorable, the home-run itself or the great call quoted by McCarthur. Here is TSN’s paragraph on it.

    “Tom Cheek’s famous line, “Touch ‘em all Joe, you’ll never hit a bigger home run in your life!””

    WOW!

    There have been 3 famous calls that stand out for me.

    Tom Chheks’s above.

    Danny Gallivan’s “Lafleur coming out gingerly”… remember how you felt watching that game.. bet the word gingerly described your hold on life at the moment. LOL!

    One great call not often mentioned is the call of Donovan’s Baily 100 metres win. CBC’S track guy(had an English accent). I cant think of his name right now.

    If you can youtube that race look how Donovan seemed totally out of it. And then this guy starts describing the race as almost in slow motion you see Donovan step by step passing runners. Was an amazing call.

    Three great sports calls which added to the glory of the spectacle.

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Oh man,
    This summit is going to be tough.
    I have to be a good boy, with #2 on the way any day.
    I’m on a 2-pint limit.

    oh man…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. Steeltown Hab says:

    I have no issue with sending Tinordi down and keeping Beaulieu up who I think has played better. I just don’t like this 1 for 1 in and out, give one a string of games to develop some confidence.

    I’m a lot more confident in Tinordi, Beaulieu, or Pateryn over Bouillon right now, always liked him but his time is clearly done. Diaz and Gorges as a pairing just awful.

    Markov – Subban
    Beaulieu – Gorges
    Tinordi – Diaz

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  54. Timo says:

    And why don’t Habs have any cap space? Gee… is it because Bergevin gave Dany Briere 4 mil and DD 3.5 mil? Both are Gomez like signings albeit at a smaller price tag.

  55. Habfan10912 says:

    @ Trini – Often I read other’s on here and wish I had both the aptitude and writing technique to express the thoughts and points. This mornings post on MT is one example of this.

    Could not agree with you more!

  56. adamkennelly says:

    anyone remember the Habs season opening ceremony – with the Torch being passed to Briere….I threw up in my mouth a bit when it happened…

  57. Frank2468 says:

    Tinordi bring sent to Hamilton makes sense to me cause he goes against the Canadians mantra, he’s over six feet tall and over 200 Lbs.

    • matt jordan says:

      Average size of Canadiens defensemen now: 5’11” and 190 pounds.

      Unfortunately it’s not 1970 anymore.

      • Frank2468 says:

        Very true it’s not the 1970 anymore. I’ve watched the Habs since 1970 and when they took to the ice I used to think how much are they going to win by tonight. In the 1980’s it was they have a good chance tonight. The 1990’s well we will see you never know. The new millennium it’s so who’s showing up tonight and how bad are they going to lose tonight. It’s called the evolution of the Canadians or devolution.

        • JUST ME says:

          Yeah Frank. That`s probably why they finished 2nd in the conference last season! Way to be positive ! Some people seem to enjoy being miserable i guess.

          • Frank2468 says:

            Yes they finished 2nd in the conference, would like to see where they would have finished if they actually had to play 82 games!!! They got off to a good start and by the time it was time to play the Sens it all fell apart. Why are teams like Detroit, Pittsburgh always in the mix?? They may not win the cup every year but they are always in consideration it’s called consistency. There’s a difference between rose coloured glasses and seeing something for what it is. Some people seem to enjoy sipping on special Kool aid I guess.

      • New says:

        Yeah the D were monsters in the 70’s compared to now.

  58. New says:

    Bournival was told to get a place and Tinordi was sent down just as the 28th day was coming up. Costs and hassle. Nothing says Tinordi won’t be back up after the next game is played, or that Pateryn won’t replace Beaulieu. But Tinordi and Beaulieu live in Hamiliton. The CBA has all sorts of living expense, notification, and housing rules that kick in at 28 and 56 days.

  59. Timo says:

    @Jackal

    Right on, man. I forgot it’s the Hump Day. On to The Chive site.

  60. Timo says:

    Funny how both Francois Gagnon (Boone’s man) and Luc Gelinas have little articles on RDS to the subject that the blame for the loss should not be put on Eller but to the entire team and coaching staff. Former for stopping to skate after 20 minutes, latter for failing to keep the team going for the entire game and make adjustments.

  61. Habfan10912 says:

    @Matty Sorry for the delay in responding to your question on the other post as I have a lot of running around to do today in anticipation of the weekends activities.

    I’ll confess I am hard on the teams I root for coaches. Even given the fact that MT has stubbornly given DD power play time even though not deserved, plays an aged no longer NHL performing dman (Frankie B) 20 minutes a game, not playing PK on the PK, and having a team that for some reason stops skating and working for long stretches of its games, I’m willing to concede it may be my own bias.

    Your question made me ponder the coaches of my sports teams I’ve actually liked. The list is amazingly small. Tom Coughlin, Gil Hodges, and Scotty Bowman. Either I root for some of the worst friggin franchises in the world or I have some internal coaching bias.

    Cheers!

  62. SterlingRod says:

    This probably has a lot more to do with salary cap constraints than performance. Then again, what the heck do I know?

  63. Max_a_million says:

    Another move that makes us tougher to play against.

    Let the kid play some minutes, he is our future and our only answer for size and toughness.

    Send Franky the Cube down.

  64. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. Gotcha.

  65. frontenac1 says:

    @dipsy. That’s easy amigo. Alcohol.

  66. Timo says:

    So for the game with big aggressive Ducks and Sharks, Habs D is

    PK, Markov, Gorges, Bouillon, Diaz and Beaulieu. Yeah… that should be no problem at all, should it?

  67. DipsyDoodler says:

    Poll Question.

    Which item could you most easily do without for one week?

    1. Alcohol
    2. NHL Hockey
    3. Meat
    4. Your smartphone

  68. frontenac1 says:

    Atta Boy Burly! I will buy you a pint on Friday night. Saludos!

  69. DipsyDoodler says:

    He can be recalled any time, just like Beaulieu.

  70. JUST ME says:

    I think it`s about time that Tinordi gets sent down and Beaulieu should join him eventually. Those guys are just kids and d-men need to be mature enough to suffer the blows and get back on the saddle a if nothing happened. Tinordi and Beaulieu need to play big minutes nd not just one game out of two .

    I`d rather see them in the minors now and enjoy their work long term than screwing with their mind at their young age.

  71. Les-Habitants says:

    Tiny was struggling with the speed at the NHL level – as is often the case with young NHL dmen. Some time in the Hammer will help him out.

    Does anyone know how Douglas Murray is progressing? We could really use his physicality back there. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Patergyn get a call up sooner rather than later

  72. Cal says:

    Repost from earlier thread:
    Beaulieu the Lost stays and Tinordi the formidable goes? One third of the team out due to injuries?
    Do I hear the rusty squealing of tank treads?

  73. HabinBurlington says:

    Woohoo!

    Summit around the corner!

  74. Propwash says:

    DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

    ____________________
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  75. Ian Cobb says:

    A positive spin Professor!!

  76. RAM_TOUGH says:

    Montreal has not had a GM since Savard.

    Guts-Glory-Ram

  77. Timo says:

    There isn’t much positive beyond the 1st line and PK about this team, Ian.


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