Tinordi and Bournival to start season with Habs (video)

The Canadiens finished off their preseason campaign on a high note Thursday night with a 3-1 victory over the Ottawa Senators at the Bell Centre.

The Canadiens also made training camp roster moves on Thursday, reassigning 10 players to the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs, including Nathan Beaulieu and Gabriel Dumont.

Michaël Bournival (photo above) and Jarred Tinordi will be part of the 23-man Canadiens roster that starts the season, coach Michel Therrien said.

“I can’t confirm that those young kids are going to be there for the first game, but they’re going to be with the 23-man roster,” Therrien said.

It looks like forward George Parros, who underwent rotator cuff surgery in May, might be ready for the Canadiens’ season opener on Tuesday at the Bell Centre against the Toronto Maple Leafs.

“We hope that he’s going to be ready to play the first game,” Therrien said. “We’re crossing our fingers that he’s going to be there.”

The Habs’ final preseason game marked the return of captain Brian Gionta, who underwent surgery in May to repair a torn biceps tendon. He picked up an assist on Tomas Plekanec’s goal in the second period.

Therrien said he liked what he’s seeing of the line centred by David Desharnais with Max Pacioretty and Daniel Brière, who picked up assists on Galchenyuk’s and Pacioretty’s goals.

After the morning skate in Brossard Thursday, Brière said playing the Canadiens’ system hasn’t been a big adjustment for him.

“I welcomed it. I love the system,” he said. “You get to use your speed a lot more. It’s a lot of read and react out there. That’s what I like. You’ve got to see and take what’s given.

“And also, whenever you don’t have the puck, you’re chasing it. You’re always on it. You’re relentless. I think it suits well to the way I play the game.”

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Canadiens end preseason with win, by Pat Hickey

Briere enjoying extra space behind nets, by Pat Hickey

Pateryn takes demotion in stride, by Brenda Branswell

Canadiens vs. Senators photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

Habs were sneaky good, Canadiens.com

Denis Brodeur was a photography legend, by Dave Stubbs

Subban No. 27 on TSN’s Top 50 Players in NHL list, Stu on Sports blog

You can listen to some of what Brière had to say after Thursday’s game here:

And you can listen to what Gionta had to say here:

You can hear what goaltender Carey Price had to say here:

And you can hear what Alex Galchenyuk had to say here:

(Video: Brenda Branswell)

580 Comments

  1. AH says:

    So is MT taking the team on any “bonding” retreats over the next couple of days before the season starts?

    • habs11s says:

      Maybe they’ll go bowling ;)

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I heard no bonding this year.

      I heard the NYR and going to Vegas…I guess they’re going 0-5 to start the season.

    • B says:

      This may not qualify, but on October 3, the Habs will be in Lac-Mégantic to hold a team practice. This is all part of the team’s efforts to help support the town and it’s people to rebuild and move forward.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  2. Strummer says:

    How do you pronounce Bournival’s first name. Noticed 2 dots over the “e”

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  3. Un Canadien errant says:

    Just another example of how Roger Goodell’s laughable Sunbelt strategy is falling apart.

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/27/jaguars-free-beer-promotion-nfl/?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp

    More on the Jags:

    If the Jags go 0-16, I’m going to test them all for performance-diminishing drugs.
    How bad are the Jaguars? Well, they have one of the worst offenses in the recent history of the league. It probably won’t get better this week with the return of quarterback Blaine Gabbert, who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn if he spent a month throwing footballs in Kansas, and who appears to make his decisions in the pocket via Ouija board. Gabbert completed 16-of-35 passes in the opener and led the offense to zero points, and remember, he is supposed to be the solution.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130926/jacksonville-jaguars-winless-season/?sct=nfl_wr_a1

    • Strummer says:

      Was it any more laughable than the NHL’s?

      It seems population growth in the southern states was the driving force behind expansion by all pro sports leagues in North America.

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    • mrhabby says:

      disagree on the sunbelt strategy..the record of the jags is simply bad drafting and player/coach mgmnt. The previos owner did have some success. the bucs /dolphins/jags are going no where.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yeah guys, I was poking fun at the NHL’s Sunbelt strategy, and how we harp on it. Jacksonville could succeed with a good team and management, but it’s the smallest market in the NFL and will probably always struggle.

  4. Edman says:

    I honestly believe this is going to be a good year. Sure we don’t have a Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Crosby, Toews, or Stamkos, however we have one thing that a lot of teams in our division don’t have.

    Injury depth.

    Think about it, there are really only 2 players on this team that if they go down for a long period of time we are screwed. Those players are Subban and Price.

    If Pleks gets hurt, well we have Galchenyuk/Briere that can play center. If Prust gets hurt, we have Moen/Parros/White that will keep the toughness up. If Markov gets hurt, we still have Subban, but Beaulieu is a phone call away for some offence. The list can go on, seriously…take anyone in our line up (minus Price and Subban) and there is a semi-replaceable player not too far.

    This is going to be a huge advantage this year, let’s face it…Gionta/Briere/Markov/Prust are going to have some injuries. MB has done a great job adding assets that we can use to fill the void.

    Look at the Leafs, when Lupul get’s hurt, who the hell are they going to put on that line with Kadri and Clarkson. If Bosak goes down, obviously Kadri would now be the number 1 center, but who in their organization can be the number 2?

    82 games is a long season and we are prepared for that grind, and the playoffs.

    Support your team and stop worrying about Moen/Diaz/Deharnais, there is nothing you can do about it so cheer them on and hope for a good season from all of them!

    -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Great post. I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but I think you have a good point.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • shiram says:

      I think you under value the contribution of Plekanec, though less important than Price/Subban, it’s not any center that can play both first wave of PP and PK, face the oppositions top line and come out with about 20g/40a in a season.
      I would say none of Brière, Eller, Galchenyuk or DD can do it.
      Chucky is not even given protected minutes at center yet, so he’s a long ways away, though they devellop fast at his age.

    • bwoar says:

      If Pacioretty goes down? Who scores 30 goals?

      “thoroughbred”

      • Edman says:

        I honestly think that if Galchenyuk was given top line minutes he could. Did you see his goal last night? he muscled a guy off the puck to keep it in the zone and found the right spot to be when the puck came back to him, in fact, his and Patches goals were very similar.

        I didn’t say that Patches would be out for a whole season and we’d be fine, but if Patches has to miss a month, I think we can survive enough for when he gets back.

        -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

      • Timo says:

        DD. He will score his 50 and Patch’s 30 for the total of 80.

        • mark-ID says:

          why stop at 80, he might as well beat Gretzky’s 92 goals …. ;P

          “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Mattyleg says:

      Great post.

      But “support your team?”

      …you’re obviously new here…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    I was Googling David Dziurzynski last night during the game, and came across this monster article in the Globe and Mail about him. He was the kid who got knocked out by Frazer McLaren last year, and which made the Sens claim Matt Kassian on waivers.

    It’s by John Allemang, good read.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/hockey-fights-and-the-nhls-line-of-duty/article14175977/?page=all

  6. von says:

    Anybody going to the Bulldogs game in Oakville tonight? Should be fun!
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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I thought this summer we should sign that guy on the cheap, big rightie guy for our bottom pairing, but then Marc Bergevin trumped my hand with a Douglas Murray and a Jarred Tinordi. Both are lefties, but still a much better option that Obie.

  7. Sportfan says:

    Congrats to Bournival and Tinordi on staying with the big club!

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  8. Trollhunter says:

    Michel Therrien was asked by Francois Gagnon: (paraphrasing) If Parros is looking like he will start on Tuesday and Bournival is staying with the big club there is a problem with the equation…
    Therrien`s answer had one line that caught my attention “you never know what could happen from here till Tuesday“

    Me smells a Trade a brewin…
    Any teams interested in Moen?
    SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • mdp2011 says:

      At 1.85 Million a year for the next 3 years, Moen isn’t going anywhere.

      • jols101 says:

        I think several teams would be interested. We won’t get much in return, maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick. Many teams will see value in him. I know many won’t agree but he would be valuable to a team willing to use him as a 3rd line energy guy and penalty killer. He doesn’t make a great 4th liner. He just isn’t tough enough to fight other teams 4th liners but he can play a solid 12-14 minutes a night and be semi-productive.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Moen is a useful player who can handle himself and is sound defensively. He also has size. Something we don’t have in abundance in the forward area

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • mdp2011 says:

          Yes, I agree with what both of your are saying, however his contract will scare off most teams. Also, there are lots of teams that are up against the cap and can’t afford a player like him.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            He isn’t over paid by that much really though. If they really wanted to move Moen (which I don’t think they do) he would be going at the trade deadline to maximize what they can get for him. Most likely if Murray got so much they could get at least a 2nd rounder for Moen who has a cup and is playoff proven who can play the PK and scrap.

            I thought Moen has looked good so far this year and I think he will surprise you. he stunk last year but it was also a half season coming off a lock out. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, why move moen to put Bournival on the 4th line? He is better suited for top 9

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That is such a reasonable contract for a big player with his reputation, I don’t understand why people harp about it. His contract is actually an asset, not a drawback, in terms of his trade value. He has a limited NTC, so we can’t ship him to the Oilers for Nail Yakupov, but aside from that we’re golden.

        http://www.capgeek.com/player/130

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Parros is playing Tuesday

    • Sportfan says:

      Moen as I have said a billion times now has a no movement clause… after this season they can move him without any problems.

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      • jols101 says:

        Moen has a modified NTC, which I think he would wave anyways. I don’t think he is happy in his 4th line role. He thinks he can do more and he probably can.

        However, rumors are only rumors. He may not be on the block at all.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        sportsfan
        Moen has a limited no trade clause which usually means there are between 8-16 teams he can refuse a trade to

        MUCH much differerent than No Movement

    • Timo says:

      Just another cliche for “I have no clue” for Therrien.

    • New says:

      A lot of things happen in hockey. One is placing guys who have given everything to you in a position where they don’t take a pay/status cut because of your choices. For instance the Habs could put a player on waivers before the season starts, he could clear, and they wouldn’t send him down. Or he could be taken by someone who will make an NHL spot for him, where he could shine and show his stuff. If that happened you want someone around to take his place. People with sore shoulders and stuff can also sit out. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  9. neumann103 says:

    Dumb Question

    With Dumont being assigned to Hamilton, he has to clear waivers, correct?

    At what point can he be said to have cleared? My reading of the rule suggests that since he was assigned after 12PM Eastern on Thursday, teams have from 12PM Eastern on Friday until 12PM Eastern on Saturday to file a claim.

    Is this correct and that if no one has filed a claim by noon Saturday, he can go to Hamilton and remain Habs property?

    “Et le but!”

    • mdp2011 says:

      You are correct. Teams have until noon Saturday to place a claim for him.

    • Whatever says:

      He’ll clear.

      An NHL team making a claim has to put the player on their NHL roster, which I don’t see happening in Dumont’s case. A team can’t just claim a player and then send them to their farm team.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s what I thought, that the claimed player can’t be sent down, but I haven’t found that to be the case. Maritime copied the relevant CBA, and all it says is that you can’t trade a player you claimed on waivers during that season. If you want to trade him, first you have to offer him to all the other teams that put in a claim when he was first waivered, and they can pick him up through the usual waiver process.

        Having said that, I think every team’s rosters are full right now, there aren’t any teams that are bereft of talent and prospects like the old days of the Golden Seals or Washington Capitals or Kansas City Scouts. Teams will be wanting to give a shot to their own players, prospects. If Gabriel Dumont was 6’2″, 210 lbs, fifteen teams would put in a claim, but then again we wouldn’t be putting him on waivers.

        Later on this season, when teams are hit hard by injuries, that’s when I’d worry about trying to sneak a player through waivers.

  10. Mavid says:

    Only 4 days to go for the REAL hockey to start..now that were alll warmed up…GO HABS GO!!!!..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  11. Arnou Ruelle says:

    So if I understand this correctly, this is now the official lineup for the 2013-2014 Montreal Canadiens:

    Left Wing – Centre – Right Wing:
    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Briere (1st Line)
    Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta (2nd Line)
    Galchenyuk/Eller – Eller/Galchenyuk – Gallagher (3rd Line)
    Moen/Prust – Bournival/White/Prust – White/Parros (4th Line)

    13th Forward – Bournival, Blunden, St-Pierre

    Defence:

    Markov – Emelin
    Georges – Subban
    Boullion – Diaz

    Extra Dman: Murray, Tinordi, Pateryn, Beaulieu

    Goalies:

    Price
    Budaj

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Boullion – Diaz will probably be replaced by Tinordi-Murray by playoffs or sooner, but ya, pretty much.

      • Trollhunter says:

        i don`t know about Bouillon being replaced. I`m not saying he shouldn`t be replaced but Therrien is VERY high on him. I really hope Tinordi and Murray start vs the Leafs though.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Weren’t Blunden and St. Pierre sent down?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Chris Nichols ‏@Nichols_NHLPool 9m

        #stlblues release Ryan Whitney from his PTO.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Wow, that guy’s stock has cratered.

          • shiram says:

            The obivous question now is, would he be an upgrade on Diaz/Bouillon/Drewiske etc…

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            On paper he looks good because of his size and stats, although his production tailed off in recent seasons, as well as his games played due to injuries. He’s a leftie, so he’s not really a solution.

            There were also reports that he was causing waves in Edmonton, he was complaining about his ice time and being a healthy scratch, not being a ‘team guy’. Also, if he’s being scratched from the Edmonton d-corps, that’s another huge red flag right there.

  12. Mattyleg says:

    Situation:
    Café invaded by hot student-y girl after hot student-y girl.

    Problem:
    Concentrating on work becoming impossible.

    Solution:
    Order a pint, do my best.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  13. Maritime Ronn says:

    OK
    Time to go out on the limb here, and a little Friday afternoon fun.

    The Subject: Carey Price.
    The Prediction: Price will have his BEST year EVER as a Hab goalie.
    Result: Playoffs. Everything else is a Bonus – and a possible 1st Round steal.

    As a preface to this post, and not at all avoiding previous critical Price posts from here, Carey Price has been disappointing in his Habs career to date.

    As facts show clearly, there has been almost nothing convincing of Price’s ‘total body of work’ PERFORMANCE over his Habs career – and certainly not his playoff performances, where the numbers and amount of OT losses speak for themselves.

    Playoff Record: 9-17. .905 SP. 2.90 GAA. OT Games: 1-4.
    Last Playoff OT win in 2008.
    3 of 3 OT losses in the last 3 playoff OT game opportunities against Boston in 2011.

    While Price has shown periods of Absolute Brilliance (as have so many other NHL goalies), he has also shown several periods of inconsistency that can/may be blamed if one wishes on many factors:
    Bad team. Bad/Soft D. (yet think about Vezina Winner Bobrovski…) New pads, yet the bottom line that would be hard to argue is that he has not lived up to his ‘Vaunted Potential’, nor has he ever won the Big Games when needed.

    Now back to WHY Price will have his best year ever.

    Reasons Why:

    1) Goalies are a different breed of player.
    Before GM Bergevin hired Goalie Coach Stephan Waite, the mentioned feeling from here was that he and fellow former Hawks AGM Dudley HAD do everything possible to secure Waite from the Black Hawks who they knew well from their Chicago time.

    While Waite cannot stop pucks, or score Toews/Kane/Hossa/Bickel goals, or play D like Keith/Seabrook/ Hjalmarssom, he was key in helping prepare 2 different goalies in Niemi and Crawford concerning BOTH the mental and physical aspects of the position.

    The RESULTS/PERFORMANCES cannot be argued.
    2 Stanley Cups, with 2 different deemed ‘average/slightly above average goalies’ where BOTH goalies were outstanding and performed and excelled on the toughest, most challenging stage against the highest level of competition.

    NHL connected Pierre Lebrun stated yesterday that Waite and $6.5M Price have gotten off to a great start with Carey being open and all ears respecting the pedigree Waite brings.
    Good stuff.

    2) Tinordi-Murray.
    Certainly the naysayers will ask how can a 13 NHL game experience rookie like 21 year old Tinordi, and a ‘slow as molasses’ Murray make that big a difference for Price?

    Here’s how:
    A) Price needs to see the puck to stop it, and needs both 5X5 Dmen and PK Dmen to clear the lanes, gain position, and win puck battles when bottled up in the D zone.
    These 2 are HUGE upgrades in that department!

    B) In Regular Strength time, Murray and Tinordi will most probably be in 3rd pairings where the opposition ” Energy” crease crashing lines appear. Last year we were hammered by those bottom opposition 6 as the Habs had sometimes Kaberle/Weber…..

    C ) Specialty Teams:
    If Diaz is part of the PK this year again, I quit.
    The Habs PK finished a bad 23rd last year and were absolutely brutal in the playoffs using …Diaz and Gorges as 1st Unit.
    Any combo of Subban/Murray/Gorges/Tonordi/Markov will clean that up with strength, size, and puck movement needed.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I made it thought the 1st 3 paragraphs, will come back later. Good reading so far. ;-).

      Your comment about Tinordi and Murray is bang on. Price was basically defenseless in last year’s playoffs.

      All he had to do is look out and see Diaz, Markov, Gorges, Bouillon and become instantly deflated. Those guys are not knocking anybody down in front of the net and giving their goalie a hand.

      Hopefully Murray turns out OK. Price would love it if he had Murray, Tinordi and Emelin chopping trees down in front of him and actually making the Habs end a tough place to play in the playoffs, instead of a friendly stroll through the park.

    • John Frodo says:

      Last night he was still down on his knees long before the puck was shot. Maybe he is playing percentages, but the “soft goals” that beat him seem to hit the top corners he cant cover.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi John

        Waite is a big believer in a hybrid style of goalie – meaning less robotic butterfly and more reactionary stand up and basic instinct-or a combo of both

        While Price was on his knees last night, at least he wasn’t sliding laterally where he would end up several feet (6-8) outside his goal posts as he often did last year.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Ronn, with respect, that word, ‘reactionary’, it makes me break out in hives when misused in this context. Everyone at TSN and HNIC is doing it, but it’s still wrong.

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hey-sportscaster-5.html

          What we mean in this context is ‘reflex’ or ‘instinctive’, not reactionary.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            @uce
            Also with respect
            We all have our own styles and words – either old, new, made-up. or reactionary.
            Perhaps we just leave it alone and accept it for what it is – and decide to squirm or chuckle…or call upon the spirit of Shakespeare, who just may give a grudging nod to it all.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I let a lot of things slide, I brought this one up with you because I thought you’d be receptive, didn’t mean to insult at all.

            It’s one of those things where one person does it wrong, then everybody mimics that instead of the correct way.

            Offhand, like the way so many people use the word ‘mischievous’ but pronounce it wrongly, as “mis-cheev-ee-ous”. No one seems sure where the ‘i’ should go, so they mentally sprinkle it where they can, and now it gathers steam and can’t be stopped.

            Anyway, the whole ‘reactionary’ save thing started a couple years ago, and I chuckled, a reactionary is an arch conservative like, uh, Archie Bunker, but somehow it took hold, and now all goalies are reactionaries. It scorches my ears.

            Sorry you won’t be tilting at windmills with me. And when one day a team packs it in early in the third, and plays a Jacques Martin-prevent defence to protect a slim lead, and blows it, and P.J. Stock malaprops that they were playing a “too conservatory” defence and it takes off, don’t come crying to me.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Normand, I admire your adherence to correct vocabulary, and I vaguely remember the use of the word reactionary in the Sixties. It was and is a noun. I gave you props a few months ago, and am doing it again now for using the metaphor, “the acid test” of an entity instead of the Litmus test which has for approximately 800 years been a test to determine if a liquid is basic/alkaline or acidic and not of its quality.
            Cheers to both you and Ron, and with all the malice that crops up at times, my opinion is that there is none in your exchange.
            “May you live in interesting times.”

    • bwoar says:

      Price’s career numbers are similar to Ryan Miller’s. Just a thought to add to your arguments and it colours my expectations of what a ‘Good’ or ‘Great’ year from Price should be.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi bwoar

        Miller has always been overhyped by the media.
        He has always tried to make an average save look difficult.
        He has had 1 good career year in 09/10, but never was able to win the big game.
        Once all is said and done, somewhere down the road it would be interesting to hear from his team mates from those times…It may be a different picture than a lot of media paint.

        • bwoar says:

          I can’t argue with you there Ronn, except he’s been in Carey’s shoes: the franchise player, goaltender, expected to carry a team without major firepower or great defense. I kinda wonder if Carey Price isn’t victim to he same hype. In any case, he’s got a nice opportunity to show his skills this year with one of the better teams we’ve had in a while.

          “thoroughbred”

    • habfan01 says:

      On CHOM this morning, Pierre Houde said the word from Bell Center employees is that Waite is making Price work his ass off.

    • Cal says:

      As far as Price goes, I am in “show me” mode. I’ve been waiting 8 years for this pick to actually play well when it matters.

  14. shiram says:

    Wondering what the HIO regulars and not so regulars think about some changes the NHL made, we don’t seem to have much discussion on these.
    1. shallower nets. Should bring more space to setup behind the net and it seems to suit Brière well. Could also lead to more wrap-around goals.
    2. smaller goalie equipment, I have not noticed any major changes there, maybe we’ll see more 5-hole goals?
    3. Hybrid icing, this one was discussed a bit more. I’m ok with it, but it does not address a forward being rammed into the boards by a D, if the forward beat the D to the puck.

    • bwoar says:

      1. Love it. Briere and my old buddy Saku Koivu should have a field day.

      2. About time they did this. Ryan Miller is a proponent, he said something to the effect of “it shouldn’t be about the size of furniture we can throw in front of the puck”.

      3. It doesn’t go far enough in one sense, but I appreciate what I saw of it. The first time I saw it called against the Habs, Gallagher had caught up to his man and I’m pretty sure he’d have won the battle, so I hooted. But it’s a step in the right direction and I’ve gotten used to it quickly.

      “thoroughbred”

    • neumann103 says:

      1. Shallower nets. The right idea to create more room behind the net, but I would go farther. While I am opposed to all “make the nets bigger” ideas to increase scoring as I think it messes too much with tradition and would be hugely problematic for facilities well beyond the NHL, I have long favoured moving the goal line farther out.

      2. Smaller goalie equipment. Sure, why not. Not really passionate about that but it is interesting how the “new” equipment looks kind of small, when really it is just “less huge”.

      3. Hybrid Icing. Is useless in itself but I guess it is minor progress in the necessary move to no touch icing. However it really does not address the injuries from close plays which would not be blown dead under the Hybrid rule. There is absolutely no excuse for the travesty that is touch icing. So if it eases the transition to getting rid of touch icing, great, but it does not accomplish anything by itself.

      “Et le but!”

    • Cal says:

      1. A little more scoring, but not much.
      2. ditto
      3. No touch is safer.

  15. JO says:

    bwoar has the right lineup excellent as far as I am concern. But I’m not the coach. You don’t put three kids with a year or two experience together unless they have a special chemistry and in training camp they proved they don’t. They did very little to impress.

    The only change I would make. I’d put Eller on L/W with Galchenyuk at center Gionta R/W if that doesn’t work out move Eller to center Galchenyuk to L/W

    Now we have three scoring lines if they give it their all.

    4th line With Bournival at center maybe they’ll come up with the odd goal. He has three tough guy’s for protection …

  16. Habfan10912 says:

    Forgive me once again for trying to “read between the lines”. Bournival earned his shot by working hard and being productive in ALL the roles MT put him in, including 4th line duty.

    Is it possible that just as the goaltending coach change may have been a shot across Prices bow could Bournival push some vets who have had more disappointing games then productive? Everyone is quick to point out the obvious ones like Moen and perhaps White. Is it possible that Bourque’s been put on a short leash? We all liked what we saw briefly last season. But the year before was just awful. A shot across the bow?

  17. veryhabby says:

    My take : bournival stays until both Parros and Prust are back. He will center the fourth line.

    Tinordi has 2-3 weeks to show MB that he wasted money signing Drewiski and forcing MB to send him threw waivers. Of course once Murray is all healed up who sits out and will MT give Tinordi. Enough ice time to prove his stay to MB.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t think that a youngster should centre that line.
      White is fine where he is.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bournival will get his chances as Therrien adjusts his lines mid-game. And being on a line with White and Prust, say, isn’t exactly offensive nirvana, but Bournival could do a lot worse in terms of pluggers. At least our pluggers can skate.

        Definitely Drewiske is an odd man out, though — he’ll warm the bench all year unless our D has two injuries at once. I’d be surprised if Bouillon played more than 60 games too, as Murray is probably better at everything that Bouillon brings, with the exception of speed.


        “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

    • jols101 says:

      Drewiski was a depth signing only. He makes the league minimum. His entire salary can be buried in the minors if Bergevin wants. He would have to clear waivers but I don’t think that would be a concern.

      Tinordi will be battling against Bouillon, Murray and Diaz for a regular spot.

    • JO says:

      Matty: White runs around and hits, Not much to show on the scoreboard. That’s how Boston wins some games. Their 4th line can contribute!!
      Maybe with Bournival at center on our 4th line we can do the same. All tough Guys on the 4th line is not always the answer.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I agree with that last point, but I also think that White’s points-tally was affected by being benched a heck of a lot last season due to his lack of discipline.
        He’s a classic go-to-the-netter, and has some skills.
        He had a bad year last year, but with a bit more play, I think he can put a few in. He had 2 g 3 a two years ago in only 27 games.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  18. jols101 says:

    As far as line combos, if you listen to Therrien’s pressers he is really excited about the Patches-DD-Briere combo. They will be given every opportunity to succeed and will start on the PP almost all the time.

    I was hoping they would balance the veterans/young guns more and put Gally B on that line and Briere with Eller and Chucky.

    The Bourque-Pleks-Gio combo has good chemistry and should be left alone.

    I figure the main stay on the 4th line will be Prust (unless injured) and Bournival, White, Moen and Parros will rotate the other two spots as needed.
    If there is an injury in the top 9, Prust or Bournival move up.

    The D situation is a whole other can of worms.

  19. mdp2011 says:

    Cool story on Tinordi’s switch from number 42 to 24. It wasn’t Tinordi who asked to have his number switched, it was Bergervin who had it changed.

    http://blogues.radio-canada.ca/section400/2013/09/27/une-attention-pour-tinordi/

  20. Mattyleg says:

    So I’m going to try something I’ve historically been very poor at:
    Line-making!

    These lines are in random order. I don’t believe in ‘1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th’ lines. Each line should be able to compete equally, and those kinds of rankings should only be determined by the line’s form (how well they’re playing).

    Gallagher – Plekanec – Pacioretty
    Galchenyuk – Eller – Briere
    Gionta – White – Moen
    Prust – DD – Bourque

    I would recommend exchanging Prust with Gionta dependent on how physical the opposing team is.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      Not horrible pairings… I couple comments for your considerations…
      1. The little preseason I have seen, I think Brière and Patches have good chemistry, so I wouldn’t split them up.
      2. How will Gionta score with those wingers?

      _______________________________
      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • bwoar says:

      I believe in 4th lines more than microstats:

      Bourque – Plekanec – Gallagher
      Pacioretty– DD – Briere
      Galchenyuk – Eller – Gionta
      Prust – White – Moen (Bournival) (Parros)

      “thoroughbred”

  21. Timo says:

    Damn, I like Jessica.

  22. Bill says:

    @Shiram: Briere was signed for the playoffs. I’m not going to worry about him in the regular season. He’s one of those rare players whose ppg goes way up in the post-season. Let’s hope the Habs get there!

    • shiram says:

      I’m worried about that though, we know he did it before can he still do it while older and after his injuries? That’s a concern for me.
      Also, I’m thinking the new divisions will making harder for the Habs to make the playoffs, so they’ll need some of Brière’s magic in the regular season also.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I am also a Briere cynic Shairam. I must say though I thought he played a good game last night. You could see his vision on the ice. His health really scares me but if he can stay healthy I think he will help us

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Timo says:

      Playoffs… is that when the switch gets flicked?

      • neumann103 says:

        Heaven forbid I support Timo in his parade-raining, but I am also deeply suspicious of the reality of the Playoff Performer (TM) .

        While I certainly have memories of the Chris Kontos and John Druce scenarios, I tend to think that co-incidence is at least as likely a factor as Clutch.

        Just my bias, admittedly.

        “Et le but!”

  23. bwoar says:

    Carey Price had a very good game last night and made a number of great saves. I didn’t see any mention of that, so, pointing it out for those who didn’t watch.

    “thoroughbred”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He (Price) did. Anderson still scares me in Ottawa

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • vegas says:

      no people only come here to bash him when he lets in a weak goal

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You must have missed my game recap on the previous thread bwoar. I thought you were a devoted reader?

      Starting with the positives, Carey Price was quietly excellent, stopping 29 out of 30 shots and cooling everything down when the play in our end was getting frazzled. Ultimately, goaltender evaluation is pretty basic, it’s a numbers game. If the goaltender stops 9 out of every ten pucks, he’ll not have an NHL job for long. If however he stops 9.5 pucks, or stated another way 19 out of every 20 pucks directed his way, he’ll go to All-Star games, take his team to the playoffs, and have a long career. It’s a wafer-thin margin, but that’s the game those guys are involved in.

      Carey has many qualities, such as his calm demeanor, his affable personality that makes him a favourite among his teammates, his superb puck handling outside his crease. What has lagged behind these qualities, his natural gifts and the potential every expert sees in him is his actual production while stopping pucks. He tailed off markedly at the end of the season, and dragged his save percentage down to a pedestrian .905 when all was said and done. This is clearly unacceptable for a frontline goalie of his caliber, a former high first-round pick, and a man in his tax bracket. He will need to improve markedly for him to earn an invite to Sochi, and to allow the Canadiens to reach the playoffs and have success then.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/09/pre-season-game-7-canadiens-3-devils-1.html

  24. Timo says:

    With this constant day to day for Prust… I think Habs should just shelve him for a couple of months. He is a valuable player for sure but his shoulder needs to heal. He clearly is not capable of staying away from fighting so let his sit. Lots of massages and sensual therapy and by xmas he should be as good as new.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The Timo regiment. It actually sounds like a pretty good time

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • reddog24 says:

      I think that Parros should sit longer Rotator Cup takes a long time to heal and be pain free. The Laffs are going to challenge him with their Goons and I think he risks being lost for a long time by trying to fight so soon after surgery. My Rotator Cup surgery took pretty well a full year to be pain free. I know that their physio and rehab is far better than mine but if he tears it again say good bye this season.

    • neumann103 says:

      My God, it is Agree With Timo Day.

      Prust really belongs on the 3rd and a half line. The Habs as presently constituted have 10 Top 9 forwards (including Prust), along with 4 4th Liners (including, God forbid, Parros).

      They can easily run with Moen, White, Bournival on the 4th and let Prust and Parros heal.

      “Et le but!”

  25. Bill H says:

    I must admit that I don’t really know how this season will go for the Habs.

    Will the Gallys improve or struggle in this, their second year on the team?

    Will Markov regain some of his former mobility and speed?

    Will Eller pick up where he left off last year, or will he need most of the season to fully recover from concussion?

    Will Tinordi stick with the team and quickly learn, or will he be sent back to Hamilton?

    Will Carrie Price finally establish himself as an elite goaltender who can pull wins right out of his a$$?

    Will Max click with DD and Briere to become a number one scoring line, or will all three have off years?

    Will the new muscle we have added with Murray and Parros be enough to correct certain deficiencies that became apparent at the end of last season?

    Will our team be crippled with injuries, or will we be healthy and over perform?

    None of us have the answers to these questions. We could be contending for the lead in our division, or we could be a bubble team fighting for a place in the playoffs. We might even be out of the running after 65 games.

    Frankly, that’s part of what I enjoy about the game. We never know. Things might begin to click and all of a sudden we are in the Cup finals.

    • Big Buffy Boat Club says:

      I’d also add:
      Will Markov and Gionta be resigned or will we turn the page? How could a successful Olympic experience influence Price and Subban? and will a Parros vs. Lucic bought be the absolute highlight of the year?

      ———————————————————————————-
      “Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.”

    • Max_Hab_Fan says:

      Some of my thoughts on your questions.
      “Will the Gallys improve or struggle in this, their second year on the team?’
      One will improve and one will struggle.
      “Will Markov regain some of his former mobility and speed?”
      He will be better than last year, but not as good as he was three years ago.
      “Will Eller pick up where he left off last year, or will he need most of the season to fully recover from concussion?”
      Most of the year to get back his confidence and timing.
      “Will Tinordi stick with the team and quickly learn, or will he be sent back to Hamilton?”
      Stick. There will be times we want him in Hamilton, but that’s all about learning. Pateryn and Beaulieu will be ready next year and we can’t have three rookies on D.
      “Will Carrie Price finally establish himself as an elite goaltender who can pull wins right out of his a$$?”
      Here’s hoping the new goalie coach motivates him to the consistant performance we are expecting.
      “Will Max click with DD and Briere to become a number one scoring line, or will all three have off years?”
      Yes.
      “Will the new muscle we have added with Murray and Parros be enough to correct certain deficiencies that became apparent at the end of last season?”
      They will take a bit of heat off Prust, who I feel will struggle this year while his shoulder fully heals. Parros will be less effective than we hoped because of this too.
      “Will our team be crippled with injuries, or will we be healthy and over perform?”
      I hope not.
      Lots of if’s with every team, but I think we will finish 5-7 and make the playoffs. Looking to win a round this year.

  26. Timo says:

    Shall we call it the season of second chances?

  27. sweetmad says:

    I was not impressed with the Briere signing,but he seems to like it here and it shows on the ice,his words are very telling,he loves the system our team plays here,this is what made us successful last season,the team enjoyed playing their game.

    Every competitive forward wants to be up front and chasing the puck,that is what makes them play better.It was such a difference last season,when you see the players smiling on the bench,yes I know they were winning,but the difference from previous seasons,was more than just that,they were having fun.

    I for one enjoyed their games, much more,from day one,I love the system and don’t want to see a change.Lets keep chasing the puck and useing our speed,it’s much more fun.
    GO HABS GO

  28. Timo says:

    It’s nice to see Jessica doing interviews again… a nice change from seeing Hickey’s mug.

  29. Bill says:

    @Shiram: I said the same thing the other day and got called Chicken Little. He’s injured or he’d have played, it’s that simple. How bad? We don’t know. We do know he will play through a lot of pain, which isn’t always the best thing

    • shiram says:

      Keeping Bournival up makes sense in the context of Parros and Prust being injured.
      Have to have able bodies ready to step in case of injuries.
      Hopefully it’s mostly therapy days for Prust.

  30. punkster says:

    Bourni and Tiny will be fun to watch if they continue to get good coaching and training and develop their skills…a couple of possible regulars, or decent trade prospects, if they show progression. My guess is both (though more likely Bourni) will ride the bus to Hamilton a couple more times before we know for sure.

    That’s the thing about young players…fans get all hyped about “the next ones” simply because they’re shiny and new or have shown some attribute that the particular fan cherishes (size, speed, size, good hands, SIZE).

    And at the risk of being branded a heretic I’d say the same about Gally…he’ll need coaching, training and clear signs of progression over the next couple of years before guaranteeing he’ll stick.

    I imagine that for every PK or Chucky, who we’re pretty sure will be a force to be reckoned with for years to come, there’s many more in the Maxi or Plexi mold…drafted a bit further down, under the radar, back and forth from the farm few times, strong work ethic, good coaching…then BOOM.

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

    • Timo says:

      Tiny will stick, however, guaranteed Therrien will give his pets Bouillon and Diaz as much ice time as possible, even to the detriment of the team. But Tiny is that much better that even Therrien will have no choice but to keep him in the lineup.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        “guaranteed Therrien will give his pets Bouillon and Diaz as much ice time as possible, even to the detriment of the team.

        Why would you say that? Michel Therrien’s job is to win hockey games, he’ll ice the best roster he can. If he doesn’t he’ll be out of the job.

        I understand you don’t like our coach, I’m still on the fence about him, but based on where I started on this he’s done a lot to get me to buy in.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/06/darren-dreger-tweets-michel-therrien-to.html

        To state that he’ll sabotage the team’s chances out of a misguided sense of loyalty is outlandish.

  31. Max_Hab_Fan says:

    With regards to Bournival staying with the team. I am wondering if Prust’s therapy is really a re-aggrevation of his shoulder injury and with the possibility of Parros not being ready for the opener they decided to keep Bournival for a few games as a reward for a great camp and then send him down once everyone is healthy.
    Thoughts?

    • shiram says:

      The lines are quite silent on the Prust front.
      There might be something we are not privy to.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      I was very happy with the Parros signing , but did MB due diligence about Parros’s injury and did all parties involved know how long recovery time would be. Also if Prust is out for an extended period I see some rocky waters ahead.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Any traded player goes through a medical examination, and the trade can be nullified if the player doesn’t pass the medical. When the Panthers shipped George to Montréal, they would have had to provide full disclosure on his medical history. To question whether the Canadiens did their due diligence is not helpful or illuminating. They were quite clear that the Panthers had shared this info, and that George would be ready for the start of the season or shortly thereafter.

  32. Timo says:

    So… 4 days now without hockey and speculation about the starting lineup. I hope Tinordin is in that lineup and I hope Diaz isn’t. Or Bouillon. Either one is useless.

    Is it me or did Moen have more fights in a pre-season than entire last year? Did Bergevin take him for a walk along St Lawrence?

    I saw that Therrien briefly had Briere play on the EGG line last night and it produced a goal. Perhaps he should give it a try for a little longer since the EGG line in its original lineup was less than impressive. Also, my man, DD is just on fire and I am looking for a solid 50 goal season from him.

    • Max_Hab_Fan says:

      hey Timo,
      I hope your man DD catches fire and scores 50. He might be in line to win the Pocket Rocket trophy for most goals…

    • bwoar says:

      My view of Briere as a Hab has taken a tiny turn for the positive.

      Eller does not have his timing down right now, whatsoever. How many pucks hoped over his stick last night? How many whiffed shots? I don’t mind putting Briere out there for a EGB line at all; someone sure of themselves needs to be there until Eller can find his timing.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Moen was being picked on, perhaps with good reason.

      I was watching him in his last couple of games. There’s no doubt the guy is a sound hockey player. He’s good in the neutral zone and just inside the line in his end. He’s capable of making good passes and is very good at chipping the puck off the boards and onto someone’s stick. He can jump in the rush and keep the play alive as well. He’s got some skill and like Prust, could create some space and play on the 3rd line.

      He’s been off, and looked bad or out of gas for long stretches last year. In this preseason, he’s been more involved, and has dropped his gloves a few times.

      I’m willing to see what he can do this season and not jump all over him.

  33. Chris says:

    I’m not crazy about Bournival making the team.

    Plekanec, Pacioretty, Gionta, Bourque, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Eller, Briere, Prust and Moen (at this point, solely because he is an effective penalty killer) are not coming out of the line-up. That leaves one top-9 forward spot…is the plan to platoon Bournival and Gallagher? That doesn’t make a ton of sense, because one is a centre/left wing, while the other is a right wing.

    The fourth line will be some collection of Prust, Moen, White, and Parros, all of whom are better suited to that duty than Bournival or Gallagher.

    Honestly, I would rather that Bournival was playing on the top line in Hamilton and getting loads of minutes, a la Pacioretty in his breakout year, and then bring him up when the inevitable injury bug hits a top-9 forward.

    There just isn’t enough ice time for both of them with the big club right now, and there is nothing to be gained by having them sitting on the sidelines. Both guys need to play.

    • junyab says:

      My guess would be Moen, Parros, Bournival and White will all be interchanged on the 4th line.

      Bournival will add a scoring touch to that line, and is strong defensively. He’s a good addition to the 4th line mix.

    • 25Stanleycups says:

      Is it just possible, there not confident with Parros making the opening lineup, and will give the kid some more NHL minutes, and find himself in Hamilton towards the end of the month.

      Use up that 10 game rookie grace period.

      • Chris says:

        Bournival should not be playing fourth line minutes. He isn’t that style of player, at least not at this point of his career.

        If that is where he eventually ends up, so be it. But I’d like to see him be given the chance to aim higher.

        As for Parros, I don’t think he was ever really in the plans except in a few games. The way I see things, you’ve got:

        Pacioretty-Desharnais-Briere
        Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
        Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher/Bournival
        Moen-White-Prust

        Parros is an extra, and I actually don’t really see who they take out of the line-up to fit him in unless the plan is to demote one of Eller or Galchenyuk to being the 4th line centre, move Prust up a line, and then replace White for Parros.

        I’ve never understood the Parros signing because they simply don’t have any room for him. When they signed Briere, I lost any sense of what Bergevin and Therrien have in mind because he was the wrong fit for the team’s needs.

        • 25Stanleycups says:

          I’m not sure the 10 game period i was referring to is the same thing as you meant. Isn’t there a period of time, where a rookie can be returned to the farm, not junior. And it wouldn’t count as his first Pro NHL year.

          And I wasn’t suggesting Bournival gets 4th line minutes, but since the lines aren’t certainly set in stone, hes put into rotation into the top 3 lines. Besides isn’t in a luxury that if he shines, the team gains. I think its a win win. If he doesnt grasp back to the AHL. If I understand that grace period right anyways.

          • Chris says:

            There are two milestones:

            Contractually, a player does not get declared a professional until they have played their 10th game in ANY professional league (NHL or AHL). This allows teams to slide the entry level contract of junior eligible players and delays the clock starting on their eventual UFA status. For players like Bournival, who are no longer junior eligible, it doesn’t matter whether they play in the AHL or NHL. They are burning up their contract. In Bournival’s case, he is already in the second year of his entry level deal.

            The other milestone is from an awards point of view (Calder Trophy, All-Rookie Team). From the NHL website:

            To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

        • krob1000 says:

          The meritocracy talk could be the missing link. PErhaps he will move Moen and Prust and maybe even Bournival up and down the lineup to provide more balance….move down whoever is not carryign their own weight up front. Not exactly a bad problem. Personally I would rather have the lines ocmpeltely rejigged….botht the DD lne and Eller line have the potential to be worn down and grinded out of games. However, they also have the skill to clearly outmatch other teas…interesting experiment but not what I would nhve guessed. Very easily could have 4 lines….you simply move Prust into Bourques spot for example or Galchenyuks. Thenall of the sudden there are 4 very good lines. The season is long and 4 lines reduces minutes and therefore reduces opportunity for injury.
          The 4th line could be a dogouse of sorts but with a way out…play your way up and likely a player on the line to help you do so.
          Not sure either but the fact that Moen, Prust and Bournival IMO are all very easily capable of moving up the lineup means the others will ahve to earn their keep as those guys will likely fight pretty hard for more minutes.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        From the article above:
        It looks like forward George Parros, who underwent rotator cuff surgery in May, might be ready for the Canadiens’ season opener on Tuesday at the Bell Centre against the Toronto Maple Leafs.

        “We hope that he’s going to be ready to play the first game,” Therrien said.

        “We’re crossing our fingers that he’s going to be there.”

      • Chris says:

        There is no 10 game rookie grace period for Bournival, by the way. He is no longer a junior eligible player, so he’s on the clock regardless of how many games they play him.

    • shiram says:

      MT seems to like the idea of having 2 centers on a line, and switching them up depending on the side of the faceoffs and the opposite center.
      We saw it with DD/Brière and it could be done with Eller/Chucky.
      I’m thinking we could see the same thing with White/Bournival.
      But we might see some moves in the coming days, alot of teams need some final tweaking to be ready for the season.

    • Eddie says:

      I don’t see Gallagher losing his top 9 spot any time soon. Bournival made the team as a 4th liner.

    • bwoar says:

      I think Bournival deserves for NHL action, and right now it’s the best thing for him. The time to use his rookie grace period has come, in my mind. He may yet get sent down, as you say, but his skill set doesn’t preclude him from being a useful fourth liner and penalty killer.

      I think we could play Prust-White-Bournival a fair bit of minutes as it stands & one thing I’d like to see this year is a 4th line who can help Plekanec. His line can’t eat all the hard checking shifts – already we have DD’s and Eller’s line being sheltered, so a 4th line that can play more than your typical load would really be a boon for #14, especially in March-April & beyond.
      “thoroughbred”

    • habs12 says:

      Therrien said in his presser that for short periods of time, playing these guys sparingly or giving them limited action is not that big of a deal. He continued to say that if the team is doing well, and they don’t get into the lineup for a while, or play very few minutes when they do over an extended period, that they will consider their options (send the player down).

      Also, I’m very confused if people think Bournival has offensive potential, or if they are simply hoping he does based on this preseason. In my opinion, that will not be a major part of his game going forward. His speed allows him to generate scoring chances, but he does not have the finish or natural scoring skills to put up numbers.

      To add, when you bring in a top end scoring prospect (like Galchenyuk) who has 1st line potential, it’s very rare that they start off on the first line from the beginning. They usually start on the second line (or even third), and move up as they progress either throughout the year or from season to season. The similar notion can be extended to guys who have very high 3rd-line potential; Bournival needs to start on the fourth line and get NHL experience, and then progress up to the third line if he does well.

  34. Forum Dog says:

    Anyone think Bournival might steal some minutes from Gallagher early in the season? Gallagher hasn’t had a great pre-season, and Bournival has. Plus, the latter is a great skater who, while less abrasive, is still a good forechecker and can cause disrupt breakouts. If they are keeping him around, I could see a situation where Bournival takes some shifts on the RW…..

    • habstrinifan says:

      Been quiet re this thought cause I’m a huge fan of Gallagher and would hate to see him take a step back. It would be a blow to the team if he did. But I gotta say I’ve wondering those same thoughts myself.

    • krob1000 says:

      Gallagher could very easily have about 6 or 8 goals. He has been as hard working and tenacious as anyone on the team…he has had some bad luck but better now than later. He has also been on a line where he is almost forced to be the aggressive one as Eller has to play defensively sound. Galch is a very passive forechecker still and Gallagher is not the biggest guy so it is a role that probaly isn’t ideal but there is enough talent there that hopefully everything works itself out.
      Gallagher is his own worst enemty wtiht he style he plays but hat style is also what got him where he is so he will continue to do wat he knows how to do. I personally am glad he is being snakebitten now and hopefully he has that behind him just in time for the season.

      • Forum Dog says:

        Yeah, I agree it is better that he struggle now instead of later. And I don’t have any doubt that he’ll get his share. It’s more a question of whose minutes Bournival takes and how many. He’s obviously forcing their hand, and I don’t see the benefit in having any young developing player ride the pine or sit in the stands. It could well be White or Parros that rotate in and out and run Bournival on the 4th line. Might not help his offensive development, but he would learn the pro pace anyway…

  35. Eddie says:

    the problem with Moen is that he needs to play “inspired” hockey, with a jump in his step, in order to be effective, and he is simply not bringing that game to the rink.

    why? I have no clue.

    But I don’t care what he’s paid, he needs to play that tough, in your face, forechecking game, or he should be replaced by someone who will.

  36. JF says:

    For the second year in a row, two of our kids make the team out of training camp. When was the last time that happened? Two years ago, the Swede Andreas Engqvist was (I think) the only player to do so. Gauthier mistakenly thought he would be able to pivot the fourth line; that lasted about three weeks. I can’t remember the last time (before last year) anyone made the team out of training camp and was able to stick. Most trainng camps simply showed up the total lack of depth in the organization.

    Speaking of sticking, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bournival is here only a short time. There is no clear spot open for him, and it will take considerable juggling to get him enough ice-time. Unless he very obviously outplays someone else or unless there are injuries, he’s likely to find himself in Hamilton sooner rather than later, in which case he’ll just have to keep working. It’s so hard to really make the jump to the NHL.

    The Habs now have great depth in defensive prospects and have added considerable depth up front over the last two drafts, although it may be a little longer before any of those kids are ready. I’m loving how Marc Bergevin is building this team – drafting well, hiring player development people to work with our prospects, managing our assets well. Since taking over as GM, I think the only draft pick he has given up is the 7th rounder he gave the Panthers for George Parros. And the only prospect we have lost is Yannick Weber, which I regret but which seemed inevitable. Contrast this with the Gainey-Gauthier years, in which our picks and prospects were being constantly frittered away.

    • Eddie says:

      I can’t understand why Timmins was rarely drafting “tougher” players though, and almost never tough defenceman. Sure we have a ton of defencemen in our system but for years and years very few of these picks have brought any kind of “edge” to their game. Tinordi and Thrower (who I have real doubts about) are the exceptions of course.

      So even if you keep all your picks, you still should be picking depth in areas that you need, should you not?

      • JF says:

        I think we’ve started doing that more since Bergevin took over – Thrower last year, McCarron, Crisp, and Grégoire this year. De La Rose is also a very tough player. I think we’re adding depth at every position – the way the Senators have done over the last few years, which was what enabled them to give up Jacob Silfverberg and another top prospect for Bobby Ryan. We did not have the depth last year to make that kind of deal; we may now or, if not now, then very soon.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Eddie, I don’t know if you saw this post a couple months back, but a blogger did a study that shows that tough, stay-at-home CHL defencemen rarely make the NHL, you need to draft scoring defencemen, and some of them become the tough crease clearers in the pros. Interesting stuff, and it cured me of my Jonathan Diaby-Mason Geertsen fever.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/08/samuel-morin-nikita-zadorov-and.html

    • bwoar says:

      There’s room for Bournival if some vets are shifted; I made an argument under Chirs’ post for keeping him up but it’s a safe prediction that he’s only here for his rookie grace period.

      “thoroughbred”

  37. Can I just take this opportunity to say that Bergevin has done a great job so far? We’ve got nine top-nine forwards — 11 if you count Prust and Bournival. For the first time in ages, we have four defencemen who can absolutely clobber people in Tinordi, Emelin, Murray and Subban — and we still have some offence on the blue line, though there’s room for another cannon there.

    Sure there are question marks, but you can’t deny we’ve been on a reasonably steady path to improvement since he took the reins — from drafting to dealing to contracts.


    “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

  38. Mats Naslund says:

    I imagine both Bournival and to a lesser extent Tinordi will have their minutes protected in the same way Galchenyuk and Pk did last year. Thierren seems to like to play it cautious until the young player forces his way on. I love that idea.

    Worked for Pacioretty, PK, Eller, and Gallagher so far.

    • bwoar says:

      A player like Bournival can’t play protected minutes, he’s there to play THOSE shifts to protect those who are there to do the brunt of the scoring.

      “thoroughbred”

  39. 25Stanleycups says:

    Habs play 13 of their first 16 games against the West. After starting against the Leafs, and Philly go nine straight against the West.

    To say that the first quarter of the season will be important is an understatement. That will be about half of the Western conference matchups of the season. When the bulk of the remainder of the season will be playing against your playoff competition.

    REVISION. Counted Columbus as a Western team, so the nine straight against the West now becomes 8 of 9, with Bobrovski in the middle.

    If HABS are to come out around 500, or below the first 20 games, it could be fighting for the playoffs all season long, with shootouts being a coin flip to a pass to the post season or not.

    There are 10 teams minimum that are as good as the Habs or better. Playoffs are no certainty by any measure.

  40. habstrinifan says:

    On a very personal note.. I hate the HABS ‘offense’. I would love to see more playmaking and forehand wrist-shots from the slot. I didnt see last night’s ‘beauty’ goal cause I was really pissed at our early showing.. I guess I need to let up a bit.

    I wanna see Les Habitants hockey. I think we have the talent now.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Trin
      I agree
      You need to let up a bit
      :-)

      Seriously Trin, the Habs had the 4th best Power Play in the NHL last year, and were also tied with the Ovechkin Caps at 4th best in the NHL for ‘Goals Scored’ with 3.04/per game.

      We were better than the vaunted Getzlaf/Perry/Selanne/Ryan Anaheim Ducks (2.79) the LA Kings (2.73) the Bruins (2.65) Rangers (2.62) Detroit (2.54)….and only the Pens. Hawks, and Stamkos/Lecavalier/St.Louis TBL were slightly better.
      Not bad company, right?

      Offense was the least of the Habs problems last year.
      You know what needs to be better….

  41. habstrinifan says:

    Hooray for Tinordi and Bournival! They both deserve it, despite some folks on here dissing Bournival.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You and Habfan10912 clearly have the inside track with MB to know what is going on my friend!

      CHeers!

    • Cal says:

      Yeah, he’ll make a great fourth liner. (insert sarcasm font here)
      He’s retained because of his good camp, but unless the Habs move another forward via trade or demotion, he will watch from the press box.

      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW!

        You actually seem upset that he made the team.

        • Cal says:

          Is he an upgrade on any player on the top 3 lines? Where you going to play him? The 4th line? He’s an offensive scoring type player. He needs 12 minutes plus per game to make some noise. 4th liners don’t get that much ice time. Unless the Habs make a move, keeping Bournival in town to ride the bench is a little ridiculous. Oh, I’m not upset.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Cal did you watch him playing for Shawinigan in the Memorial Cup? Seemed to me Bournival was the guy they used for all scenarios, key face offs, penalty kill, shut down and offense.

            While he isn’t a prototypical 4th liner, he is not afraid to grind and play disciplined hockey. Seems to me whenever I watched him (especially on World Junior team) he was the guy the coach could rely on for sound displined hockey.

            The big question for him, will be to compete physically at the pro level.

          • habstrinifan says:

            Maybe we could just look at it this way. They had a training camp and the young man came in worked hard and earned the consideration. If an organization cannot encourage that type of performance with a ‘promotion’, then why draft players really?

            It’s good for the organization that in two years in a row we had two players come in and make the team through dint of hard work. Tinordi and Galchenyuk were 1st rounders so their ascendancy was almost predetermined, but players like Gallagher and Bournival deserve the opportunity they forced open for themselves.

            And oh yeah.. be ready for next year cause Crisp may come a-knocking.

            In the vein of GO HABS GO.. let’s just enjoy.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            hi cal

            Bournival’s career in both Junior and his brief 69 AHL games do not point to any semblance of a prolific scorer.

            http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=115896

            His NHL Ceiling may be a 4th line guy, yet different teams use their 4th liners in different ways

            Take Chicago for example. They play their 4th liners and expect offensive contributions and some of them are on the PK

            Now contrast that to the single digit IQ, Cyclops progeny the Leafs employ.
            Hopefully the Habs see the Chicago way.

          • I don’t disagree — Bournival needs more ice time than he’ll get on the fourth line. Therrien does a fair bit of shuffling though, so he’ll likely move up during the games if/when someone else isn’t performing. Even on the fourth line, he’ll at least likely have Prust as a linemate.


            “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

          • Cal says:

            @ Burly,

            I can’t see Bournival grinding it out against NHL-style grinding forwards. Good for him he survived the cuts, but I don’t see him as a defensive player at all.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Hi trin

          I also really like Bournival but Cal kinda has a point
          Bournival has made the 23 man roster – that’s all that Coach MT is committing to at this point.

          He also mentioned these guys need to play, and barring injuries or if the team is playing well, the playing time would be hard to come by.

          Then once MB gets his chance, he has to show he belongs and contribute at both ends of the ice.
          Nerves, multiple rookie mistakes and missed assignments won’t be tolerated.

          I would hazard a guess that most, if not all wants him to succeed for many reasons – some being his work ethic, energy, and enthusiasm that can hopefully rub off…..but, he has to perform when given the chance.

          • habstrinifan says:

            Goes without saying! At the present time keeping him with the team was a more positive and emboldening move by the organization than sending him down… regardless of roster difficulties. Good on them.

    • krob1000 says:

      That may explain the incredible jump in his step of late. I don’t remember that from last year…his explosiveness and energy are reminiscent of Lapierre and Dom Moore.

  42. frontenac1 says:

    Hey, why not pair up Diaz with Murray? Two opposites might work fine. Saludos!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      That’s how it’s seen from here.
      Some type of 3rd pairing combo of Murray-Tinordi-Bouillon-Diaz depending on who the Habs play against.

    • krob1000 says:

      Agree ….Diaz is quick but not fast though. He gets overtaken in long races for the puck….wins most of the short ones. Murray wins no races…but is a beast in corners and from the top of the circles down. They seem like a logical pair on paper (puck mover, stay at home tough guy,etc) but I can’t help but wonder if the speed thing is the concern. Maybe they would like the combo of Markov and Diaz to boost the line they play with and allow a quick transition up either side? I have not paid attention to whether or not they are playing 5 man units at times and matching d to forwards but taht could be one rationale. Markov and Diaz pairing is designed for puck possession.
      Anyone noticed if they are playing any 5 man units?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Makes sense to me. Would it mean Tinordi sees top 4 minutes? That will be a challenge. CHeers.

    • That’s what I’d love to see, front: Subban-Gorges, Markov-Tinordi, Diaz-Murray — and much as I love the guy, Bouillon in reserve. Each pairing has a bit of grit, a bit of offence, and a bit of speed.


      “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

  43. krob1000 says:

    MB is in a great position….while I personally would have liked to see him beef up last years team at the deadline he didn’t and has clearly established a longer term goal. That beign said this team comes in with realisitic expectations…they are supposed to be a playoff team but a few injuries could derail that as is the case with any team in a parity filled league. Should the team succeed and be in contender status near the deadline….the team has restocked and has several moveable assets.
    Should the team be struggling it is also loaded with valuable players with expiring contracts and could easily acquire some more very valuable picks. It also has a wealth of centers and pretty well every position is loaded with talent….plenty of flexibiility and really in a win/win situation this season.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Krob,

      At the deadline the Pens gave away 2 -2nd round Draft picks for Murray.
      We acquired him for no assets via a UFA signing.

      Now imagine if Bergevin had paid that cost – and we were not going to beat Ottawa even with Murray, this place would be howling today…and we would not have 2 of the 3 / 2nd round picks we chose last summer in De La Rose, Fucale, or Lehkonen.

      Or imagine if Bergevin paid the price for Iginla even if he wanted to be here/ That being a 1st Round pick (McCarron)+ 2 other prospects…then Iginla leaves and signs with Boston
      Call out the S.W.A.T. team.

      • krob1000 says:

        I would not have paid 2 2nd picks for Murray. Would have paid the price for Clowe though. Pominville was fair price but Briere option is better IMO. 2nds for Regehr was reasonable. Both Iginla and Morrow were reasonable and if it could have meant retaining one it would be worth it. IF you instead had one tougher top 6 or 9 guy and one more tough dman I think the Habs survive the Sens series and gain valuable experience. The Habs were healthy when the decisions had to be made…..hindsight says good job as a Cup run was not in the cards…but at the time….a tough stay at home dman and a rugged tough forward were missing ingredients. MB opted to wait and I am glad now he did…but I still don’t know if it was the right thing to do at the time. We can only guess about how things would have played out…but I thought at the time it was a good time to make some aggressive moves.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Krob
          good thoughts
          We could have gone that route as you mention, yet we would end up with Gainey Version 2.0 – no Cup, no realistic chance for a Cup but just maybe a team that would fluke it into a 2nd round then be exposed…and even that would have taken a Halakean performance.

          End result? False hope with a bare cupboard of prospects
          All real Cup contenders have been built with key components by the draft, then the tweaking via trades/UfA

  44. thebonscott says:

    Superglad bournival and tinordi are staying put. Bournival increases hockeysense and speed of 4th line by a LOT!!! And tinordi is ready, his development has been accelerated quickly, excited about how good he will be in 2 to 3 years.
    I would like to see briere centre maxpac and another 6 footer for a few games, to see what they could do, and put DD on a northern ice flow.

    For the sake of all that is right, please put the comment box on upper right of page!!!!!

  45. Hobie Hansen says:

    I always make a point of pointing out great efforts from players who don’t happen to be my favorite. It’s not close to eating crow time just yet, but Diaz, for the first time in a while, looked good last night, aside from the brain cramp he, Markov and Price had.

    Diaz and Markov were on the same page, jumped on loose pucks quickly, exited the zone and started the rush. Their lack of physicality wasn’t exposed.

    Now, Ottawa’s fledglings were dressed last night, Diaz had the luxury of not having Bobby Ryan, Jason Spezza or Milan Michalek to battle for pucks with along the boards and in the corner.

    If he can play like he did last night, against regular NHL teams, you won’t hear any complaints form me.

    • Eddie says:

      Hopefully we get Subban on against that Senators line, that’s coaching. For me it’s Briere who looks like he will make me eat crow ice cream with my humble pie. That’s the good stuff, a la mode.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        In all fairness, Briere was brought in shortly after we were stomped on and manhandled by the Senators. People were wondering why the Habs would sign another smaller, often injured, past his prime player. People wanted a power forward.

        After the ridiculous contracts to Clowe and Clarkson were handed out, Bergevin explained his reasons for not going that route. Bergevin singed Parros and Murray to at least try and give his smaller team some protection and confidence.

        McCarron and Crisp were drafted, Tinordi is looking spectacular.

        Things are slowly getting there, Rome wasn’t built in a day! :-).

  46. tophab says:

    gorges is the worst dman we have hands down.beaulieu should have stayed.

  47. Maritime Ronn says:

    A few preseason observations from here:

    – Desharnais seems to be skating much better this year so far.
    Instead of lagging behind the play and seemingly on his butt every shift as was the case last year, Desharnais seems to be leading the play and more confident along with finding space.
    His great vision and hockey IQ were never issues.
    For all right reasons – be that chasing a playoff spot or trade value, Habs fans can only hope that carries on when the REAL hockey starts next Tuesday.

    – Travis Moen ($1.85M Cap Hit):
    Bergevin admitted to having a heart-to-heart with Moen at the end of last year where Moen admitted he had a bad year. Travis also appears to be skating better with the reported 7-8 pounds of lost weight. It appears he ‘gets it’ and ice time will be rewarded by play.
    Good teams need good vet role players.

    – Briere has great vision. There is a reason why he has over 700 career NHL points including 432 assists.
    Chuckie’s face said it all after his goal last night.
    Don’t expect Briere to ever dominate a game.
    He’ll be one of those players that will often appear to be invisible doing his job, then boom – a laser goal, or a great pass without forecasting, ending up to be another goal.

    – Max/Galchenyuk:
    When you watch real pure scorers, they sometimes almost appear to know – or show in their body language just before a goal, that they know the puck is going in the net.
    Max and Galchenyuk have shown that in preseason.

    – A worry from here concerning Gallagher.
    Can he survive playing his present style of game all season?
    Teams now know his game vs. last year, and there has been much more nastiness being dished out against him.
    While listed at 5’9″-180, one has to wonder if those measurements were taken with skates and equipment on.

    – If I was in Montreal, I’d be making a pilgrimage to L’Oratoire St. Joseph and pray hard for what appears to be the Top 4 pairing of Markov-Diaz.
    Can they hold the fort until Emelin returns?
    Markov’s intelligent overall game cannot be replaced, yet is there a softer Top 4 pairing in the NHL?
    Diaz rightful spot is a 3rd pair with 2nd Unit PP responsibilities and an insurance policy if Subban-Markov miss time.

    Every D Unit needs balance – certainly a Top 4, yet this has little in the way of being able to move people or win puck battles.
    Tinordi is NOT ready for a Top 4 role, and Murray is just too slow for that role.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Nice post Ron! good points

    • frankcasting says:

      Good observations. Agree that Tinordi is not ready for Top 4 yet, and also agree that Diaz/Markov pairing has me worried. But for 20-30 games until Emelin comes back, I’m OK with the coaches tweaking and matching and making things work until he is back, I don’t want them to go and get someone else. The key for Diaz and Markov is to keep the puck moving and stay out of their zone as much as possible. I think this is the end of the line for Markov.

      Loving the Habs since 1965

    • John Frodo says:

      The Eller line has the potential to lead the team in scoring, but they seem to have a weakness at getting out of their own end.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Coach MT mentioned in his presser that he had a “discussion” with the Eller line before the game last night and from his body language it wasn’t anything to do with how well they were playing…

  48. Ian Cobb says:

    Well it looks like we are ready to start the season with only 5 new players on the roster. Will it be enough to change the out come of last years team that did not get past the 1st round.

    I am not sure if this roster can improve more than getting into the second round at best. But I just love the speed game and the relentless fast and constant on the puck style. At least it is a more exciting and enjoyable style of game that watching Jacques Martin’s boring defensive game.
    The biggest problem is that this style will attract the big hitters in the game, to try to slow us down. Be ready to see some heavy doctors bills this year!

    I just want to wish all HIO members, an exciting hockey season! and I am looking forward to seeing many of you again in Montreal at our fan Summit.!

    Now lets get it on!
    Ian

  49. twilighthours says:

    Woohoo! Tinordi and Bournival definitely earned it. Good for them.

  50. kerrgte says:

    what a relief !! When our boys were down 1-0, I needed a glass of vino.

    I’m also glad, Bournival gets to stick. I’m a little puzzled at his pre-season scoring given that he was only an average scorer in his junior days. NOnetheless, let’s hope he keeps up the good work

    cheers

  51. yakhab says:

    Maybe it would be a good idea for HIO to add a thumbs up & down column to hold posters accountable for their opinions.

  52. Blade says:

    Good Morning from Toronto!

    At last! Who’s ready for the real thing?

  53. Eddie says:

    I’m a big Leblanc supporter but Bournival is a much better and much faster skater than Louis, which allows Bournival to play center, to kill penalties, and to agitate on the forecheck.

    As this season begins, there is not doubt that Bournival can help this team.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi Eddie
      Bournival really showed he has the wheels to play NHL.
      Coach Therrien also mentioned last night that the Habs coaching/management were pleased with the response from Bournival no matter the challenge given him be that center, winger, penalty kill.
      Coach MT repeated his like of Bournival’s work ethic and energy.

      • Eddie says:

        Bournival has a great work ethic which makes him a leadership candidate everywhere he plays.

        • habstrinifan says:

          And he makes other players better.. always in every level he has played. I dont exactly know how.. cause he’s really not a super star by any level.. but with him, as he develops and grows in experience, other players will become all that they can be… some even superstars.

  54. adamkennelly says:

    MB should trade Moen.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Out of curiosity, who would be the callup from Hamilton to replace the role Moen plays? I am hopeful you don’t think Blunden can play that role.

      I understand some people’s frustration with Moen, he is coming off a subpar season. However, given the area we lack depth the most is rugged forwards, I wouldn’t be to quick to give away what players we have.

      I say give away, because the present time is not optimum for a trade with Moen.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        I agree. Also Moen makes very little and he’s a professional.

        Moen night well start in the press box, but he is still better than Dumont for example.

        Moen can play the PK which among other things means Plex doesn’t have to do it as much.

    • on2ndthought says:

      I’m disappointed with Moen so far, but this guy is a veteran and a shut-down forward with a reputation for bringing his game up a notch in big games. He was just re-signed so he’s going nowhere, except maybe the press box. May come a time this season we are happy to have him.

      I’m also an advocate of ‘beefing up’ the roster against certain teams, and ‘speed/skilling’ it up against others. With 5 4th line players,and 7 D, we can do that.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • Cal says:

      Moen jumps to defend Chucky and you want him gone?
      He’s doing exactly what the coaches want.

      • adamkennelly says:

        Moen has some trade value and lets face facts – he had a terrible year last year and at his age and with the style of game he plays – he is not going to get any better..when was the last time he initiated physical play or won a fight?

        I would prefer to see Prust off the 4th line and use Parros and Bournival w/ White.

  55. Lafleurguy says:

    In May, 2013, THN ranked Bournival 7th among Habs prospects (before the June draft), and Louis Leblanc 9th. In September, THN ranked Bournival 8th, and left Leblanc out of the top 10. Injecting “fresh energy” via rookie Bournival and veteran Briere will make the early season exciting. I’m guessing Briere will be double-shifted at times and trio’d with Eller and Galchenyuk. Playing alongside Briere would push Eller’s development ahead sizeably.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  56. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: The Walrus putting Kassian out at the end to send a message.

    This is the real root cause of the problem. It ain’t Bettman and it ain’t Ed Snyder. The problem with hockey is guys like Maclean, Julien, Carlyle – old men with the ethics of mobsters who tell young men to go intimidate other young men. It’s Canadian hockey fans (half of the commentariat at least) who get their jollies watching fights from the safety of their couch, like a bunch of impotent bonobos watching the alpha males go at it. Or its people who say fighting is part of the game (worst argument in the history of the world: we’ve always done it this way) And more than anything else it’s the players.

    You want to cheer a guy like Brendan Gallagher but every time he’s on the ice I spend more time worrying that he’s going to get a concussion than hoping he makes a great play. And you know coaches are telling their players to target guys like him.

  57. Bash says:

    Like many of you, I’ve been following the training camp and exhibition games closely. And I have to agree that while some things are promising, there is a lot to be concerned about:

    On the negative side Diaz and Boullion are not starters. We all knew that Frankie was an extra piece but with Emelin out at least one of these has to play.

    Tinordi has to play every night and needs preparation for the Kassians of the league who will want to challenge him often. He does not need to fight every time but also has to establish himself.

    Markov’s skating looks a lot better than last year. Still, without his former speed to cover up mistakes the key will be finding the right partner. Diaz does not fit.

    Subban seems to be holding back. He could change a game on any given shift! Given Therrien’s experience with other star players, we hope he can harness and direct this potential.

    It remains to be seen if Murray can play 12 minutes , physically and effectively while helping out on the PK. We need him. I am hopeful. He as experience and motivation.

    Gionta, Pleks, Georges, Prust are consumate professionals and would be welcome on any team.

    Briere’s playmaking skills can complement most line combinations. Prust will create some physical balance if he can play in the top nine but that pushes Eller to fourth line duty. Perhaps four balanced lines is our best option??? We have four small skilled guys and any two on any line spells danger.

    I’ve toyed with lines over and over and the magic answer is not obvious.
    DD’s line could remain as is for now but I hate The EGG. Eller is hard to read and the kids need the confidence that only comes from playing with veterans and/or some protection.

    Quite likely injuries will force some experiments and perhaps some insights.

    Early in the season we will need to establish our new found toughness.
    I look forward to Prust, Murray, Parros, White, Tinordi and Moen all in against TO in Game One.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • PK looks like a player not holding back, but being held back. I noticed this last season. He would break out of his own end and look like he could take off no worries, but then he would slow down and make the first pass like the standard d-man. Without knowing for sure (haven’t talked to Therrien in a while) I would say Coach Therrien wants PK to play first pass only. PK is no Bobby Orr, but imagine having a player like that and telling him not to go end to end.

      Whatever works I guess, but if were coaching I’d have PK rush once per period and only against non checkers. The weakest player on that line would have to recognize that rush and protect the d’s position. Nothing fancy but SHOCK AND AWE via PK Subban would disrupt the other team’s plan and push them back in the neutral zone.

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        I noticed that as well, Shane. My theory was PK was being asked to play major minutes and these rushes up the ice take a lot of air out of the lungs. He’s still the best player on the ice most every night. We’re so fortunate to be able to watch him all season. A treat!

      • Phil C says:

        I know what you are saying about shock and awe and having teams respect his talent, but the end to end rush is a low percentage play for PK, it rarely leads to a good chance. I think he will be much more productive if he moves the puck once he beats the first wave of forechecking and then join the rush as a trailer.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Karlsson’s the better passer, P.K.’s the better shooter. They’re both phenomenal skaters, but Karlsson rarely uses full-speed. No contest when it comes to P.K.’s hitting.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Cal says:

        Can’t play hockey like Robinson used to. A Dman rushing the puck up the ice these days makes no sense unless he’s just getting to the red line and dumping it in while the forward line changes.
        Rushing the puck up ice gives the opposition way too much time to stop the play, given the defensive schemes used these days.

      • John Frodo says:

        agree with everyone, PK can go end to end, but he never gets any support. The rest of the team seems just to stop and watch him.

  58. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! As Trini and I bask in the glory named Bournival this morning there is more reason to be optimistic. The consensus on HIO was to send both of these two young men down for their “own good”. Since these comments came from our more level headed and knowledgeable posters and not the whack jobs that would compared Galchenyuk to a beer league player after a bad shift, it very well may have represented the organizations preference as well.

    But good organizations always allows players such as Gallagher and Galchenyuk last season or Tinordi and Bournival this season, the opportunity to play their way onto the team.

    In years past we may have witnessed these two guys sent down for their “own good” to get valuable minutes. Perhaps the organizations culture has now changed.

    The other added benifit of open competition is pushing other players. It’s not a coincidence that Moen and White seemed like different players the last 3 preseason games. It’s called fighting for your job. Now we seem to have a surplus of forwards and dman.

    One last observation. I’ve really warmed up to Briere. I hope he stays healthy. There’s a lot of hockey left there.

    • When a player works hard and plays well on the ice sending him to the AHL because that’s the way is old school thinking. These two will eventually be sent down (maybe not) but for now they did their job and get to stay.

      Now for the others who see this (players) I’d be worried. You can only keep so many players.

      Ref the Game: I know I should be happy but the win wasn’t convincing for me. Ottawa looks like a team that win our division. Montreal has to figure a way to shut them down off the scoreboard, because they aren’t going to out score them. But hey what do I know, I’m just some short fat guy who colors for a living. :lol:

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning Bud. One month to go! I thought the team looked like they were playing a meaningless preseason game but did enough to win. Price looked solid, Briere has won my support, and now we get ready for the real thing.

        But what do I know, I don’t do a darn thing for a living. CHeers bud.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning sir, how exciting this must be for young Bournival to be on the opening day roster. Still not sure how this works out with who plays and who sits, but indeed exciting to see a Rookie force the coaches hand, just as Tinordi appears to have done the same.

      Hopefully Leblanc can have a comeback season down in Hamilton as well, as I still believe he could be a very competent 3rd liner for this team. Perhaps even some day helping form a line with Bournival.

      CHeers to you and Trini!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Trini should be joining you soon in the spotlight as good judges of young talent! Briere was very impressive. While Carey had a solid outing, Lundqvist allowed 5 goals on 17 shots. On with the show this is it…..
      Mornin’ Bud.
      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Phil C says:

      Re: Briere, there is no substitute for talent and hockey sense. He’s got both. Let’s hope he can stay healthy.

  59. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    One thing that is truly enjoyable about this new Habs regime is their seeming transparency and honesty with the players, along with their skills of communication with the media and fans.
    Quite the breathe of fresh air…Remember?

    True to his word, GM Bergevin mentioned from Day 1 that a young player can force his hand (2 Gallys last year), and now with Bournival and Tinordi.

    Bournival has to be thrilled.
    Instead of riding busses and cashing cheques in Hamilton for a season salary of $67,500, he’ll be flying in luxury and watch his pay move to $650,000.
    Same goes with Tinordi – from $67,500 to $810,000.
    Earned and well deserved.

    During the post game presser, Coach Therrien made an interesting statement – actually repeated it twice when asked how Bournival and Tinordi would be used.

    His answer was ” They will be part of the 23 man man roster” then almost cryptically repeated, “We’ll see, a lot of things can happen between now and the weekend- Tuesday”

    There are no more games to be played, so what exactly did Coach Therrien mean about, ” a lot of things can happen?”
    Parros and Murray playing Tuesday?
    Or are the Habs working on a trade?

    Contrary to other years, the waiver period this year could be interesting. Several teams need to trim their rosters, yet more importantly, several are also up against the Cap.
    Only 6 of 30 teams have over $4.1M Cap Space.
    Trades will also be easier to make with the new CBA rule where a team can retain up to 50% of a Salary/Cap Hit

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ronn. Exactly. Now it’s MB’s turn to DEAL with it.

      This new performance reward thing will be a frequent event in the clubs future. McCarron, Colberg, and some of the young defensive corps will play their way on the team in the years to come.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hiya Ron! With off-season moves like the acquisition of C. Thomas, and M. St. Pierre, any loss through waiver claims would have much less negative impact such as claiming and then losing Jeff Woywitka a couple of pre-seasons ago. There just wasn’t any significant depth back then.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Sam

        St.Pierre was a good pickup not for the NHL Habs, but to help out the Bulldogs and bring some scoring/maturity
        Bergevin and Dudley know him from his Chicago days so there will be no surprises.
        Although much younger, Thomas is at best a longshot to ever make the NHL
        What these 2 guys bring are solid work ethics and give Hamilton a chance to be less brutal than they were last year.

        No one likes to play on a losing team.
        It’s demoralizing and could also cause some bad habits to creep in as young guys might try and do too much

  60. DickandDanny says:

    Couple things I don’t like right now, and hope management addresses these changes before the first game or we are going to get out gunned.
    Number one, get rid of the Markov and Diaz D-pairing. No chemistry there, too much of the same type of player, and absolutely no physical presence in front of the net with them. Direct cause of the first goal tonight was that, and they almost caused another one afterwards. This is exactly the problem with this pairing and what another poster mentioned last week. A disaster waiting to happen with these two I think is what he wrote.
    Secondly, th eline of Eller, Galchenyuck, and Gallagher. Everyone wants this to work, but it’s not. Eller is hard to play with. You can see it in Gally’s face. Gallagher is also not in sync on this line. Both the Gally’s need to play with veterans and be that ‘kid’ on the line who is excited to play with the established pros. I’ve seen this before and i am seeing it now. This line will not work out. The two Gallys are very similar in that they each want to play sort of under the radar at this point of their young careers and to do that they need to be playing with established veteran players who they can support and learn from. They can’t play together, or with Eller and do that imo. They both sort of remind me of Lafleur when he came up, maybe not in the way they play or their potential as superstars, but in their spirit, competitve level and joy of the game. They played Guy with vets, not two other rookies, or young guys to give him a chance to succeed. Smarten up MB and MT and make these two changes. I think you will see it improves the entire team chemistry.

    “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

    • Agreed. Just not to crazy about MT’s ability to grow with the veterans. I still believe his contract will end this year and a Cup oriented coach will be brought in to grow the youngsters. What with Gionta and other contracts expiring, I’m hoping to see Beaulieu added along with Tiny, Bournival and a select one or two others as we say goodbye and thank you to some other veterans. Still don’t know if we are a cup team, what with only one bonified super-star that made the TSN top 50 and I won’t even get started on Price as a below average NHL goalie… here come the Price bots!

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    • zephyr says:

      I don’t like diaz period. I like pateryn better but he has to stop making the mistake per game of moving the puck up the middle under pressure. as for eller et al, it’s early. I think they’ll be fine. briere & gally can change spots too. i’m not a fan of moen or white. rather have bournival with prust & one of those 2 or parros. haven’t seen parros so I don’t know how he’ll look. sick of seeing white getting thrashed into a big hairball. moen is invisible.

    • Greg says:

      You can’t make a sweeping judgement on the Gally-Eller-Chucky line because of a couple of lackluster performances in preseason. At the end of last season, Chucky and Eller were dynamite together. Where is this “Eller is hard to play with” stuff coming from? This is why they shouldn’t broadcast preseason games, it’s not good for a fanbase that’s so overenthusiastic like Habs fans. We just can’t help ourselves with the over-analysis. It’s exhibition!! The EGG line will be just fine…

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …that little Hab-a-phobic twirp Briere is, I must admit, growing on Me

  62. SUMO says:

    Not trying to be an armchair GM or Coach, just wanted to look at the 2013-2014 line-up. I’m sure everyone has their own ideas about who should play with whom. I only hope Tinordi and Bournival can contribute and provide the energy and excitement that Gally and Chucky did last season.

    FORWARDS
    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Briere
    Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta
    Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
    Moen – White – Prust
    >Bournival, Parros (DTD)

    DEFENSE
    Gorges – Subban
    Markov – Diaz
    Bouillon – Tinordi
    >Drewiske (IR), Emelin (LTIR), Murray (DTD)

    GOALIES
    Price
    >Budaj

  63. vancouverite says:

    Just purchased a ticket to watch Habs – Ducks in March !!! Behind the glass where habs shoot 2x !! Haven’t been this excited in a while …
    Im hoping to also pick up some tickets to watch Habs play the Kings and the Sharks.
    (If any of you fellow Habs fans will be in Cali in March and would be interested in going to one of these games, let me know !!)

  64. sweetmad says:

    There are some people you can never please,they are never happy unless they are moaning,the only problem that I have ,with people like that,is that I have to read or listen to what they say,so I don’t.
    I just don’t read certain people post’s or listen to some people speak.Being a glass full person myself,I have no time for negative people,why can’t they smile and be happy like me,it is a waste of time and energy,complaining about something you can’t change.

    I love to read and hear constructive debate, but moaning is just a turn off,people like that are more to be pitied than blamed, I know,but please don’t try to bring the rest of us down with complaining.

    I quite enjoyed the game tonight,not a lot of fighting,Chucky’s face when he scored was funny,at the very end of the game,Carey shot the puck and the other players were asking him why he didn’t try to score,don’t think it would have counted,because by the time the puck got to the goal the hooter would have gone off.

    I am not worried about CP this season,I am not worried about our team either,as long as they win every game and work hard I shall be over the moon(kidding).We will try our best in every way and thats all anyone can ask of anybody,so I am going to be happy just watching them, do their best whatever the outcome,hopefully with a cup,but if not I am still behind them.
    GO HABS GO

  65. DipsyDoodler says:

    Bournival won’t be in the press box (what would be the point). That means one of White or Moen has to sit, at least until the inevitable injuries.

    Moen is more reliable, White more feisty.

  66. Timo says:

    So the waiting for the magic switch to be flicked on begins.

  67. Timo says:

    Tinordi must be in the starting lineup. Therrien better not go with both Diaz and Bouillon on the same night. Especially against the laffs.

  68. Mr. Biter says:

    Read the first comments on earlier thread and with all the wailing and lamentations it sounded like the Habs lost 3-1 rather than won 3-1.Tough crowd. Watching 3rd period on RDS replay.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  69. Un Canadien errant says:

    How good is Kevin Bieksa again? Brian Boyle boards Bo Horvat, then Derek Dorsett gives him a slash as he skates by. Kevin says “That’s enough of that” and goes over there and crosschecks him in the tonsils, then drops the gloves and easily beats the Rangers’ ‘enforcer’. Man, I’d up my offer to a 3rd rounder if that’s what it took.

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  70. Marc10 says:

    Briere in Gretzky’s office. I like it.

    Yet another meaningless pre-season game, but Danny Boy looked good back there.

    Go Habs Go!

    PS: Loved the linesman wrestling two guys to the ice with Moen looking on. :)

    • JO says:

      They beat AHL’ers Like Ottawa beat ours not much to get excited about. Should they beat the Leafs on October 1st. Now, that will be something to get excited about. I have a feeling that calls for a ? mark!!

  71. habs1992 says:

    I said they would win and they Won.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  72. neumann103 says:

    In hockey culture, players who are barely rookies don’t do things that make them look like they feel entitled.

    “Et le but!”

  73. Habs_Norway says:

    Halpern had it when i got called up
    Hobie H has a post regarding it at the top of the page. or, more north than this one, at least..

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  74. DuckDodgers says:

    No war, always loved guylafleur.

    “May you live in interesting times.”


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