Three prospects make World Junior roster, Blunden recalled

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Future Canadiens – we can only hope – Nathan Beaulieu, Michäel Bournival and Brendan Gallagher are on the junior team that will battle the world.

Final cuts were made Wednesday morning.

Here’s the roster and the tournament schedule.

Jarred Tinordi is on the preliminary roster of Team USA, which will announce its tournament lineup on Dec. 22.

Daniel Pribyl is on the preliminary roster of the Czech Republic team and Mads Eller, Lars’ 16-year-old brother, is with Team Denmark.

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The Canadiens have recalled Michael Blunden from the Bulldogs.

With Philadelphia visiting the Bell Centre Thursday night and Travis Moen lost to injury, Blunden supplies fourth-line grit.

458 Comments

  1. idle says:

    From Bill’s post below:

    “You cannot deny that this is a team that struggles to score despite having solid offensive players”

    This has been the case for as long as I can remember though. Montreal has always struggled to score in recent memory. Each time the Habs would get a player with a proven scoring track record, they would not reach their same numbers in Montreal (Recchi perfect example). I asked a few days ago if anyone could name a player in recent memory that came to Montreal after having some consistent numbers elsewhere, and matched their output in Montreal (or God forbid even scored more points) and they only name that was mentioned was Kovalev and that came with a ? after it.

    So was Carbonneau’s system killing the offence of the team? Was Julians? Therrien? Vigneault’s??

    Think of players who have all been accused of under performing in Montreal: Cammallerri, Gomez, Gionta, Kostitsyn (at times), Koivu (later years), Leclair, Samsonov, Tanguay, Ryder, Tod Ewen, Audette… I know there are more but I’m struggling here….

    So a couple points on this:

    1. There are always going to be players who under achieve, on any given team any given year. Maybe they are just having a bad season, maybe they are injured/tired, maybe they have a drug or alcohol problem, maybe they are fighting with their wives, gf’s, mothers, maybe the’re struggling with the fact that they are gay, and yes maybe they don’t like the coach or ‘system’, but no it’s not always the coach and ‘system’ and no the answer is not always to change the coach. Changing the coaches from Demers to Trembley to Vigneault to Therrien to Julien to Gainey to Carbonneau to Martin have not helped this team win another cup.

    2. Maybe we need to look at other reasons than coaching/system as to why seemingly talented and capable offensive players so often struggle to score in Montreal. Is it the constant press scrums, cameras & microphones stuffed in their faces? Is it the fact that those cameras and microphones are often negative or knee jerk or overly personal? Is it the constant bashing they take from the fans when they are not producing to their ‘potential’ or the team is not producing to it’s ‘potential’? Is it the fact that every move they make inside or outside of the game is picked apart and dragged through cyber space, lunch rooms and bars all across the country and beyond? Is it just coincidence? Is it that all the Habs recent coaches have had poor systems which stifle the creativity of the players?

    Or maybe it’s just that fans will never be happy until the 4’th win in the 4’th series of the playoffs and then for a couple/few days they will be happy until they start worrying about who is gonna be signed to what contract for the start of next season.

    • Strummer says:

      Re: Bills post,

      Cole, AK and MaxPac doing well, while Gio, Gomez and Cammy are not.

      Reason is the first 3 are tall enough to ride Space Mountain,

      the other 3 can’t take the pounding and are injured/hesitant/over-paid-so why take a risk.

      Size matters in this game. It helps you win physical battles that create offense/prevent opponants’ offense

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      • nunacanadien says:

        The acquisition, support and wait for Emelin has proven what I have said since before the lockout. The Habs are way too small, way to soft and only sign those players no one wants. That formula has not given us a cup. It has been a formula of profit for Gilette and now Molson and BCE. Since when have the owners of the Habs ever considered a Stanley Cup as a key criteria for owning the team? Not when concerts and gate proceeds from the Bell Centre come first.

      • Richrebellion says:

        Yes size is important but a balance of both is always good, the reason guys like gomez, cammy and gio have struggled is the pp. Small guys have trouble scoring 5 on 5 because the best way to score 5 on 5 is by grinding down low and keeping zone pressure which breaks down the d. Desharnais is doing well and he’s just as small as those guys. If the habs used all their small guys in balance throughout the lineup they would definitely be more productive. Cammy has always putting up big PP numbers but for some reason in Mtl hasn’t had that success the year he score 39 he had 19 on the pp, this year he has 0. Figure it out with a better PP you’ll get a better Cammy.

  2. JoeC says:

    I cannot believe that there are people defending JM?

    WHY??

    Give him credit for a win? our best player game in and game out is Cole, and guess why?? He basically tells JM to stick his system where the sun doesnt shine, and look they succeed. JM is the reason why this team is 500 and not better, NOT why they win nailbiters against bad teams, hes only to blame for losing the nailbiters for his stupid protect the lead that doesnt work defene.

    • idle says:

      “our best player game in and game out is Cole, and guess why?? He basically tells JM to stick his system where the sun doesnt shine”

      You can’t just make shit up. What evidence do you have of this? Don’t you think his ass would be in the press box if he had that kind of attitude?

      • JoeC says:

        Hes hinted at on more then 1 occasion on his post game interviews, im not looking them up look back at other threads and listen to how he talks.

        • nunacanadien says:

          You people are not listening, when the Habs management talk about hockey being a success in Montreal, they are not talking about winning a cup. They are talking about making a profit in Montreal. Just making the playoffs is considered a dividend in the profit margin. Since when have the owners of the Habs in recent times ever considered winning a Stanley Cup as a key part of owning the club?

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Could not have said it better myself.

      “Hate the Ole song like a sickness”

  3. habber86 says:

    On an unrelated note. I miss Saku… Stumbled across some old videos of him including his first goal, the cancer comeback, and his first game in Mtl with the ducks and was tearing up. He was the first pro hockey player I met in person as an impressionable 10 year old, and embodies the glory days of my fandom. Sure, team performance wasn’t that great but do I ever miss his heart and the passion that came along with being a Habs back then for me at least… I’ve been pretty impartial to Gomez this whole time trying not to hate, but seeing him (when he actually plays….) cruising around in #11 feels a tad disrespectful to my memories.

  4. SmartDog says:

    GREAT post Bill (below) regarding coaching.

    Two things I want to comment on…

    1 YOU SAID: “Honestly, if I think about who is doing well, three names jump out at me: Cole, Pacioretty, and Kostitsyn. What do these players have in common? They are independent, stubborn players who do things their way. In other words, the players who do not always follow The System.”

    Great observation. Strong-willed guys like those, and extremely coachable guys like Pleks are fine. Guys who need a push, or the right words here and there… not so fine. How many funks have we been through with this team? More than normal that’s for sure.

    AND…

    2. YOU SAID: “I would like a coach whose team plays entertaining hockey instead of that stupid System. A coach who doesn’t turn 30 goal scorers into 20 goal scorers. A coach whose team doesn’t INVARIABLY blow leads. A coach who could tell just as well as the average beer-swilling couch-potato fan that Erik Cole would be great on the power-play. That’s what I would like. ”

    What I especially like about this comment is that on here lately it seems common to say “are you an NHL coach? No? Then you can’t talk.” This is such incredible BS. Coaches make mistakes, are subject to their own patterns of biases and YES, about particular things we mortals DO sometimes know or see something that the coach doesn’t think is that important but sometimes it is. The coach knows THOUSANDS of things we don’t about how the game is played, but in all those details, like professionals in any job, sometimes they don’t see part of the forest for the attention they’re paying to certain trees. And if you really believe that we can’t sometimes be right and the coach wrong, why are you hanging around a discussion board? What’s the point?

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Hockey says:

      it is encouraging to see you actually work on a post, like you did this morning, as opposed to what has become your recent – and by recent, i mean months-long – effort to just spew out lazy, vapid garbage. but i have to ask: how do you know what jm is thinking? i’m not defending him in any way, but how do you know what he is thinking? why are you so absolutely certain of it? moreover, what does your perception of being “right” and the coach “wrong” have to do with hanging around discussion forums? do you really believe he is reading this stuff? for your sake, i sincerely hope not.

    • sane hockey fan says:

      “are you an NHL coach? No? Then you can’t talk.”

      Never heard this on here once in 3 years….ur pretty delusional if you think a majority of posters here think JM is always right…

      Dumbass dob strikes again !!

      • The Cat says:

        Ive heard it.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Le Jadester says:

        I was told that JM has 600 more career NHL wins than me, so he obviously knows better.

        So I tried to look on the brighter side of things and thought, hey, at least I’m still undefeated at 0-0-0-0 All time in the NHL !

        Take that J-Mart !

        Habs, OLE !

    • citizenSanto says:

      c’mon dog, what fun would it be if everyone only bitched about the Habs.
      I could say something mean and smarmy but I don’t want to…it’s the holidays after all.
      peace to you man.

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      Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
      — Augustine of Hippo

    • Mike D says:

      Nice post, habber. I miss Saku too.

      I was actually at that Habs-Ducks game last year. Great memories. Drove all the way from London to Mtl in late January just ti be there and paid a hefty price for my ticket (red b corners section) so I could be close enough to see Saku’s reaction to the ovation I knew he would get…..and in hopes he would see the “Welcome Home Saku” sign I brought with me, lol. Being part of a famous Forum/Bell Centre standing ovation and the feeling of it was awesome to say the least with 21,273 fans yelling “SA-KU, SA-KU” in unison.

      That’s amazing that you got to actually meet him though.

      – Honestly yours

  5. Just A Guy says:

    Excuse the verbosity of this one, but I’m not all that confident that PG has the green light to bury Gomez in the minors just yet and I was thinking that as a consequence, we might not see either Georges or AK back, but I’m not sure about Diaz/Weber/Emelin actually now.

    here’s a call to all you arm chair GM’s

    CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

    FORWARDS
    Brian Gionta ($5.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
    Erik Cole ($4.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Max Pacioretty ($1.625m)
    A Kostitsyn ($3.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
    R. White ($0.780m) / L. Eller ($1.500m) / Some Otherguy ($0.550m)
    / p. Nokelainen ($0.600m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
    Josh Georges ($4.250m) / P.K. Subban ($2.500m)
    R. Diaz ($0.900m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Peter Budaj ($1.150m) / Carey Price ($6.000m)

    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,082,143; BONUSES: $300,000
    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $217,857

    • NoTinFoilCups says:

      Hey thanks for crunching those numbers. Things aren’t as hopeless as some would lead us to believe. Now if we actually do rid ourselves of Gomez there will be enough money for Emelin. And some other guy
      at centre!

    • JoeC says:

      This is the same team as we have this year, and look at how well they are doing…

      And there is no one on here that can honestly say they like the fact that both the Swiss cheese have to play each game :(

      • Wops says:

        Bury Gomez’s contract in the AHL and take the money to sign Shea Weber this summer!

        Sign him long term to get a discount, 10years 60 some millions.

        Now its a different team

        S. Weber – Subban
        Markov – Gorges
        Kaberle – Diaz/Emelin

    • vegas says:

      you forgot Yemelin

  6. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Ok I have been hard on The Martin System recently. Even felt the team might benefit from a new coach (which I never feel is the real issue). But I am back on the JM bandwagon.

    This team and where they are at in the standings are holding their own (btw, our division has been a tough one to be in early on in the season). This coaching staff is doing a great job with what they have faced this year. I also felt that playoffs were unlikely.

    I believe it’s a lock they’re in now.

    Every one knows where they stand in the top 10 stats, they just gotta cash in on few more of those chances to be top 10 in the league for points (and there have been plenty of chances, so don’t kid yourself about the offense they can express). I don’t think it’s JM’s fault Cammalleri, Gomez, Gionta are not producing.

    Plekanec is the best defensive player the Habs have, and guess what…he also leads the team in points. But wait a second…didn’t he do that last year as well? A good offense starts with a good defence. Most players are buying in and that shows. Pleky is any coaches dream player to have on your to roster.

    Just can’t help but sense that this team is ONLY going to improve as this season wears on. Sure there are some personnel issues to resolve, but I believe PG said that there isn’t a contract that can’t be moved. Team is in good hands, Gauthier is one guy I have not asked for his head (figuratively speaking) out of frustration.

    Anyways, Cole should win the Molson Cup, what a beast he is becoming for the Habs. Great signing by PG. Now…Kaberle is just fitting in nicely.

    GO HABS GO!

    • citizenSanto says:

      Right on Rearview!
      Refreshingly righteous remarks.
      I expect the inevitable retorts, rejoinders and ridiculously raffish repartee from the rabble-rousers.

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      Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
      — Augustine of Hippo

      • nunacanadien says:

        Keep it up, until the JM system crashes. So far we’ve been lucky with the room Emelin created for us. Sitting him out will only prove to the other teams Montreal is an easy team to beat both physically, but also in hockey itself. Since when have Gainey Gilette the molsons or Gauthier ever considered hockey as a priority in Montreal?

    • Bill says:

      I tend to believe more in the players than in JM. The only reason he gets any credit in Montreal is for winning two rounds in 2010, and To Be Real, that was on the back of a supernatural performance by Jaro Halak, with honourable mentions to Cammi and Gill.

      I think the Habs have plenty of good players, and I am firmly with the camp that holds that JM does not play to the strengths of his roster. It seems fairly ridiculous for a team that specializes in small, skilled forwards to play a grinding, defensive system. You can say that JM knows better than the average fan, but let’s keep in mind that the average fan made him look like a moron for not playing Cole on the PP in the early going!

      Pleks, Gionta, Cammalleri, and Gomez are all producing offensively below their potential … well below, in most cases. Coincidence? No. System? Yes. Add Subban to the list of skilled players in a strait-jacket.

      Honestly, if I think about who is doing well, three names jump out at me: Cole, Pacioretty, and Kostitsyn. What do these players have in common? They are independent, stubborn players who do things their way. In other words, the players who do not always follow The System.

      You cannot deny that this is a team that struggles to score despite having solid offensive players, that has an inept power-play with inept power-play line combos, that consistently coughs up leads, and that takes way too many interference-type penalties. I lay all of that at the feet of the Man with the Plan.

      You’re happy with JM? Take away Carey Price, and where is his team?

      I would like a coach whose team plays entertaining hockey instead of that stupid System. A coach who doesn’t turn 30 goal scorers into 20 goal scorers. A coach whose team doesn’t INVARIABLY blow leads. A coach who could tell just as well as the average beer-swilling couch-potato fan that Erik Cole would be great on the power-play. That’s what I would like.

      Jacques Martin has had a solid career in the NHL but he’s doing NOTHING with this team. Its sad to think how much better they could be with a more creative, offensive strategy. Time for JM to go back to Florida … to a condo retirement community this time!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • DorvalTony says:

        What’s Price ever won? Keys to the city but years of disappointment.

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        Powerplay? Make mine with Kab Kaberle.

      • 24moreCups says:

        +1 great post

      • Habfan4lfe says:

        Exactly. Nice.

      • citizenSanto says:

        nice post. I found it to be a:

        Lavish, Luxurious, Legendary, Liberating, Ledger,
        Excellent, Erudite, Exquisite, Effective,
        And Also An Abiding, Articulate, And Adept
        Folio of Fine Fortunes For Followers and Fans

        ;-)

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        Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
        — Augustine of Hippo

      • G-Man says:

        I find it funny JM gets the blame for losses and cannot get any credit for wins, including the 2010 playoff run.
        Run and gun hockey will not work with the players the Habs have. It might be entertaining, but the results would be about 2 losses for every win. Price has already shown this year that without support he’s an ordinary goalie. In a run and gun situation, he and the D would be embarrassed.
        The only solution is for the mobile D to jump up on the play, giving odd-man rushes, but they hardly ever do it.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      I think you’re jumping the bandwagon too quick. We won 2 games against struggling teams and they weren’t very convincing wins either in all honesty. I think I would have saved this post for tomorrow

  7. Everlasting1 says:

    What a goal by Patrick Kane in the SO. Toyed with Backstrom. It’s a must see.
    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=142355

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  8. otter649 says:

    Watching Boston/Ottawa game & Sens have a PP late in the game – What’s different is that the 5 players they put out for the power play is all five shoot right handed (19-25-65-11-7) something that you do not see very often…….

  9. Vid says:

    I’m not as enamored with Eller as some…until he starts putting up points like Pacioretty, he in no way can be considered a potential first line center. BUT in that last game against the Islanders, I saw him break through a pair of Defenceman and with some sweet stick handling nearly scored. The goalie just barely made a toe save as he was sliding the wrong way. That’s probably the most impressive skill I’ve seen from Eller thus far. It makes me think if Eller is going to have a breakout season it will probably be next season.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      I love Eller part of the problem is JM and u right because of it 1 more year , sometime i see a young Sundin big but timid, the kid need to get mad

    • sheds88 says:

      Eller needs first or even secong line minutes. The more he plays the better he gets ( and more confident ). If MaxPac and Beauty Cole were his wingers i bet the points would come.

      _______________________________________________________________________
      i don’t know why they keep comparing Carey Price to God………i mean he’s good, but he’s no Carey Price.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        It’s a bit of a trade off, with him and DD. DD isn’t playing bad but I still think Eller has better potential. If their roles were reversed this season, I am confident Eller would out perform how DD has played so far. But I think DD would stink with linemates like Moen all the time

        • howtathor says:

          I think DD has way more ‘puck sense’ than Eller. Eller may have more size and more inate skills but still very unrefined and not in control enough. DD makes nifty passes which are essential to his line’s success.

      • G-Man says:

        Eller averages 14:50 TOI per game. He’s played 29 games and has 9 points. He is a solid 3rd liner. 1st or 2nd line minutes is wasted on him so far. Can’t see him as more than a 40 to 50 point guy at the height of his career.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Patch was up and down a few times before he hit his stride, and many of the commentariat were ready to give up on him. I always felt good about Patch, and I feel good about Eller. Not that I am a talent scout. Most definitely not.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Eller’s great at nearly scoring. Make mine Pleky, DD, Leblanc and Bournival.

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      Powerplay? Make mine with Kab Kaberle.

    • Timo says:

      The only reason Eller gets praise around here is because people hate to admit that we got robbed yet again in another trade. Yes, Halak is not the Halak that took the team to the conference finals, but at the time of the trade it is what St Louis was getting – a star goalie. And all we got in return was… well… Eller.

      • tobbs says:

        Oh come on! You wine when the deal was done. The following season, looks like we got the bargain. But, we still suck because we didn’t know at the time we got a bargain. Obviously PG knew what he was doing on that one. You have the logic of a 2 yr old

      • RJB says:

        Halak’s a star goalie? Really? Since when? Since he started battling for time against Brian Elliott?

        Eller can’t possibly get better? You know what the rule of thumb is around the NHL. Once you hit 22, you better be ready to fulfil your potential, all players are ready by 22 right? Right?

        Give me a break…

        “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
        – Bilbo Baggins

  10. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I think not including Mathew Dumba was a BIG error on Hay’s part …17 or not, Dumba is a ‘difference maker’
    …Tampa Bay’s Connorly reminds Me of that character in L’il Abner always walkin’ around with a dark cloud over his head
    …hope Our Prospects shine, but I’m feelin’ not so positive karma on this version of Our WJHC Team
    …hope to Hell I have absolutely no idea what I’m talkin’ ’bout :)

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      The only video I’ve seen of this Dumba kid was a TSN highlight reel of hits. At least half were the of the head hunting, jumping into it kind of hits that the league needs to get rid of.

      How good is this kid other than that? I’m not judging, but rather actually curious. gotta assume he’s more than a cheap shot artist. What player is he comparable to?

    • 24 Cups says:

      “hope to Hell I have absolutely no idea what I’m talkin’ ’bout”

      Are you looking for verification on that point, Surrey?

  11. Laramy87 says:

    Anyone here watching the Sens/Bruins game and if so did you see the McQuaid knee on Foligno. Does he get suspended? If the knee on Booth was suspension worthy, then this most definately is. Lets see if Shanny will actually suspend someone on the Bruins.

    Then the refs come right back and give the Sens a goalie interference penalty on Konopka for clipping Thomas who was outside the blue paint. The bruins are the darlings of the NHL and its irritating as hell.

    • otter649 says:

      Last season a Bruin attempted a big body check but missed and stuck out a knee on Subban (pay back for the hit on Marchand ?) – I think it was Boychuk & White came in and did a number on him with White getting an intesigator penalty one of the few if any I saw called last season but Refs tend to make obscure calls on rookies or second year players (Subban for snow spraying when was the last time that call was made)as if to show them whose boss. Eller seems to never get the benefit of the doubt so far in his Montreal career……..

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      No way McQuaid gets suspended, Foligno returned to action in the third period. I’m surprised that Shanny didn’t hold a press conference during the second intermission (yes, less than three minutes after the incident) to announce that “it was a hockey play” and that Foligno was suspended two games for “diving” and the NHL was awarding the Senators first round draft pick to Boston next year “just because”.

      Shanahan is the biggest joke in professional sports since … Okay, this is going to take a while.

  12. Psycho29 says:

    McQuaid just tossed for a knee on knee hit on Foligno.
    I wonder if he’ll be disciplined??? Oh wait, he’s a first time offender. I guess not….

    • otter649 says:

      McQuaid was the guy who in the finals last year on a so-called hockey play seriously injured Mason Raymond of The Canucks with no pentalty called & who only recently made it back to Vancouver’s lineup……

  13. 24moreCups says:

    Anyone else going to be watching 24/7 Philly and The Rangers?
    Never saw any of last season so I’m going check it out.

  14. Pucknut says:

    Anyone think that both Plecks & Cammy are suffering from New Dad Syndrome?
    You know… lack of sleep, helping out the wife with the chores etc…

  15. Pucknut says:

    Nice tilt between Lucy & Carkner. Lucy looked glad to end that one.

    • ffenliv says:

      To be fair to Lucic, most people are glad when a fight with Carkner ends, and they’re still conscious.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Yeah, but later in the game he was back to being a tough guy … after checking to be sure Carkner, Neil and Konopka were not on the ice. He’s a very tough guy when he’s up against Regin, Phillips, Alfredesson, Condra or Butler, not so much when it’s a guy his size. Lucy likes the Millers of this world. He does throw a mean slash on the back of Foligno’s leg when Foligno is skating away to the bench 8 or 9 seconds after the whistle has gone! What a man! What an absolute disgrace he is to the game! Somewhere there is a village searching for its idiot.

  16. matraque says:

    Anyone remember Ryan O’Byrne?? LOL

    What a move by PG.

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    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY&feature=related

    • twilighthours says:

      Bournival is a long way from being an effective NHL player, but I hear ya: I loved that trade.

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    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Is there a GM with a more questionable last year than Colorado’s? While the O’Byrne trade can’t be judged for a few years, it certainly looks in our favor. But far more than that: trading Liles for a late second, trading away Stewart, trading Anderson straight up for Elliot (which at the time was trading a goalie with fair value for a goalie with no value), and then trading a 1st (likely lottery pick) and a 2nd for Varlamov which is even worse as the caps were looking to move him.

  17. ABHabsfan says:

    Bos v Ott, who the hell do we cheer for? Maybe a power-outage

  18. stevieray says:

    Just tuned in to TSN to watch the Sens/Bruins game ….guess what ?
    Panger is black …oops..Panger is BACK !!

  19. JIMVINNY says:

    Listening to the FAN960 in Calgary today, caught a couple snippets of an interview with a guy whose name I didn’t catch who was at the WJC camp. Interviewer asked him who stood out, and Nathan Beaulieu’s name was the first mentioned. Said he was great all three days, and his performance made Ryan Murphy (Carolina, 12th overall, 2011) expendable.

    Good news for us Habs fans.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Remember how Ed Jovanovski was never Scott Stevens in his own end, but he was still a pretty damn good defenceman? Beaulieu kind of reminds me of that.

  20. ProHabs says:

    Has Hickey offered up an apology yet for his article. With many prospects playing in the WJC, this year more than any other I would like to continue reading Serious09 updates.

  21. Dickie9 says:

    In response to one of SmartDog’s previous posts which I thought was very accurate. We need to shed Gomez’s and Cammy’s bad contracts now. We would then have a potentially very worthy Stanley Cup contending team next year. My only thought is do you believe Cammy is untradable do to his very piss poor work ethic and very limited upside….If we could get a Glencross for him straight up PG should make that deal happen

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Makes perfect sense to me. LOL

    • WestHab says:

      I must say that the facilities at the Bell centre are great. Washroom the size of a mid sized airport.

    • kakey says:

      Golden excerpts (pun intended):

      -One petitioner fondly remembers the trough as a “drive-through bathroom” with no lineup. Another says the trough “made it a joy to go pee.”

      -“The system now is totally flawed and I almost pee my pants just waiting in line,” he wrote.

      Almost sounds like a April fools article. I want TSN to do a televised piece on location!

  22. When the going gets tough, the tough become Leaf fans.

    Got to beat the Flyers tomorrow night, they are missing two key fellas. Have to take advantage of that.

    If there ever was a game in Dec 2011 for Cammalleri to get up for it’s this one.

    December 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    I think I am going to join you in cheering for St. Louis. Anybody but these losers.
    The Leaf Fan

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • Propwash says:

      Fairweather fans aren’t true fans.
      True fans support their team through the bad times and the good times.

      _____________________________
      Being negative has its advantages,
      you’re never disappointed.

  23. Sharks9 says:

    So just thought I’d share with all of the fact that today was birthday and I got the best gift possible, a pair of Habs tickets! I’ve never been to a Habs game in my life so this is pretty huge. The game is in Buffalo on February 17th so hopefully we’ll still be in the thick of the playoff race by then.

    Out of curiosity, has anyone here seen a game in Buffalo before? How is it?

    25 before 14

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Happy BIrthday, and great present. Yes been to many games, sightlines are excellent. The crowd is Buffalo, so expect some stupid comments from the home side. I am working on tix for that game, I will let you know if I am successful.

      Enjoy!

    • FuzE_gus says:

      Been to a few there. Usually a lot of Habs fans in the building. Not a ton to do around the arena but a decent pub up the street. Probably some other things too. Parking is great though. All around the arena. Enjoy!!

      With Regards from FuzE_gus

    • bel33 says:

      My wife and I, and another couple will be there as well.

      Other than some yahoos in the crowd it’s not bad watching a game there. Nothing like being in danger in Philly if you’re not cheering for the Flyers.

      Hope it turns out to be a great game so you enjoy the experience. Cheers!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      There is no better sport to watch live then hockey. I hope you have a great time. Happy Birthday Sharks9!

    • Mike D says:

      Great present Sharks!

      I used to live in Buffalo and echo the comment from the others above.

      One thing you MUST do while you’re there :

      Go eat some chicken wings at The Anchor Bar. Hands-down, best wings I’ve ever had, and also the place that originated the chicken wing becoming a menu item.

      – Honestly yours

      • Sharks9 says:

        Sounds interesting, I’ll try to check it out!

        25 before 14

      • habfab14120 says:

        Happy Birthday Sharks9.
        I still live in a suburb of B-lo and I need to disagree with Mike D (despite his great work with the Beastie Boys).

        While, yes, you should try the wings at the Anchor Bar, the best in Buffalo are at Duffs, but that’s not close to the arena.

        There is also the Cobblestone district right by the arena with a few bars, just past the parking ramp.

        I agree with the consensus that the sightlines are really nice. You might get a couple of comments for waering your Habs jersey, but it’s generally good-natured.

        Enjoy the game and I hope you enjoy my city.

        • Mike D says:

          LOL @ the Beastie Boys reference.

          Duff’s definitely makes some good wings too, but I still have to give the edge to Anchor Bar. Can’t tell you how many Duff’s VS Anchor Bar conversations (err arguments) I heard while living there. I used to go to the original Duff’s on Sheridan as it wasn’t far from where I lived. Memories…

          – Honestly yours

    • sevenman says:

      Nice Sharks9……I’ll be at that game as as well, Section 322. Living here in Southern Ontario it’s the easiest way to catch a Habs game as opposed to getting in to ACC cashbox to see the Leafs. There’ll be a lot of Hab fans that night as it’s the only Friday night Hab game in Buffalo this season, normally there’s two or three.
      Decent building but I miss the old days at The Aud where you could meet the visiting players right outside the dressing room after the game. Have a great time.

    • skoalbandit says:

      Great place to see a game. I go every time the habs play at the old “hot sauce blue cheese” arena. Parking is cheap, tickets are cheap and they serve canadian beer..Perfect

    • MTLCANADIENS says:

      I will be at the game as well.. section 100 row 1… glass seats, going to be a beauty game

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Good for you ,this year we visiting family in Ottawa for Christmas so a got ticket for all present family’s members for present as the Habs playing Ottawa Dec.27 and it cheaper then Montreal

    • Congrats on a great gift, and happy birthday!

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • neumann103 says:

      Sharks9

      I will be in section 308 along with 3 friends. I live in toronto and 3 of the last 4 years have bought tickets to all the Habs games in Buffalo the morning they went on sale.

      A few years ago I got lower bowl 6th row above the players bench seats for $65. Not that cheap anymore.

      There is nothing near the arena other than parking and the Simpsons-esque monorail to nowhere.

      edit: I meant to say ditto to the idea of checking out the Anchor Bar. Not that it is nowhere, nor near the arena industrial wasteland zone. But go early There will be a ineup on gamenight. Ditto on the Anchor Bar. A real experience. The home of Buffalo Wings. Lots of Hab jerseys.

      The Buffalo fans only have one chant “Lets! Go! Buf! fa! lo!” It does get annoying. But they are generally quite nice. They like their team but if you don’t act like some carpetbagging tool they will be quite civil and friendly.

      “Et le but!”

    • Richard says:

      Hi,

      I went to a the second game of the year a couple years back – right after acquiring Gionta, Gomez, and Cammi. We played terribly then won in overtime off a baseball swing by Gio. Needless to say the Buffalonians(?) were not happy.

      We were all wearing habs gear. On the way out we had peanuts thrown at us and we were somewhat verbally (and borderline physically) intimidated until a guard stepped in. Also, it would seem that in Buffalo, being a Habs fan is equivalent to exchanging sexual favours for money – as my wife learned by the names she was called.

      Once outside, we passed by what looked like a “trendy” (by Buffalo standards) bar where someone flicked a lit cigarette at us. Classy.

      Basically- an overtime win against Buffalo in game 2 of 82 is apparently worth being obnoxious about. Which makes them only 250% more tolerant than Philly.

      It isn’t as bad as it sounds. There are some drunk idiot sports fans that make the rest look bad. If they get rowdy, just keep a low profile and you’re fine.

      And check out the Anchor Bar – It’s a long walk or a short taxi from the arena. It’s where Buffalo wings were first invented and are by far the best wings I’ve ever had. The beer selection isn’t bad either.

      …and yes, I’d go back.

    • G-Man says:

      Lucky Shark! Have fun and Happy Birthday!

  24. kakey says:

    So far in this season, Subban has 1 goal in 83 SOG for a dismal 1.2% shot percentage, while last season he had 14G in 197 SOG for a respectable 7.1%. He has to change his approach cause either he shoots too anxiously or other teams are reading his telegraphs too well.

  25. gohabsjoe says:

    I live in Saint John and I’ve been watching the Seadogs dominate the Q for the last two seasons. Not to mention a Mem cup. Long story short, Nathan Beaulieu has been a driving force for this team and hes gonnna be wearing blue blanc rouge in 2012. Getcha popcorn ready. Hes gonna make Diaz look like chopped liver.

  26. JF says:

    Anyone else feel that the Habs are becoming secretive to the point of absurdity about injuries? We were never told officially what Gomez’s problem is. Gionta has been out nearly a week with no update. Now there’s nothing on Travis Moen.

    • FuzE_gus says:

      I’ve been thinking the same thing. It’s been said somewhere that he has a groin injury. I think that’s in the vicinity. It’s clear he’s being benched because he’s playing without any b@lls.

      With Regards from FuzE_gus

    • habsnyc says:

      it makes me feel like montreal has the same chance of winning regardless of who they put on the ice.

      either montreal would be the best team in the league if they had a full roster or their highest paid players are so bad they can be replaced with anyone or the coach is so good he can win with anyone or the league has such regular season parity that any team can lose any player and it not impact them.

      probably a bit of all of them but most of the latter.
      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  27. HabFanSince72 says:

    This is off topic but apparently Justin Trudeau called Conservative Environment Minister Peter Kent a “piece of (expletive),” in the House of Commons today.

    Can anyone speculate on what the expletive was?

  28. habsnyc says:

    In 2000 Monrtreal had three draft picks on Team Canada – Chouinard, Ribiero and Ryder. In 2006, Chipchura (Captain) and Latendresse made the roster. Price starred in 2007. Subban played in 08-09, joining Brisebois as the only Habs to play in two tournaments. Jason Ward in 1999 and Louis Leblanc last year are the other picks who made Team Canada.

    Congrats to the team.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  29. kakey says:

    Zach Bogosian is the new honorable member of the Bruins, after escaping suspension on the Eakin hit http://youtu.be/36jNFRh-yto , he is off the hook again after the Bouchard hit http://youtu.be/j2j0yb-hfaA

    Meanwhile Pacioretty is a repeat offender.

  30. sampson12 says:

    I know a lot of people have given up on the season, but I would love to offer up a very simple point of view that can give you a sense of optimism.

    Over the last few years, we’ve been typically excellent in special teams, and below average 5-on-5. Now we’re among the league leaders in 5-on-5 play, still have an excellent penalty kill, but no powerplay. But it appears to be coming.

    I’ll be the first to admit my initial reaction to the Kaberle trade was WTF, mainly due to the contract as well as the fact that i spent over a decade hating him. But he showed immediately that he is able to help the PP and if Markov can finally come back, we should have two very solid PP units.

    We just need to make the playoffs and stay healthy. Once we’re there, I believe this team can do some damage.

    • shiram says:

      9th best team league wide in goals for in 5on5.
      27th for goals in 5on4
      16th for goals in 5on3
      20th in goals for 4on4

      Interesting stuff for sure.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

    • Danno says:

      In spite of all the ups and downs, December is shaping up to be a rather good month for the Habs.

      So far this month they have accumulated nine out of a possible 12 points and have not lost any game in regulation time.

      So far, so good?

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • habsnyc says:

      who gave up on the season?

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • J_P says:

      I just had pretty high hopes for this team coming into the season, which definitely leads to my utter disappointment. There’s some bright spots (Pacs, Cole, Emelin, Desharnais), and some dark spots (gomez, gionta, Cammy, markov injury situation), but at the end of the day its the fact that we are once again mediocre that frustrates me beyond anything.

      THe Kaberle deal is probably just good enough to get us into the playoffs, but I was actually looking forward to letting the chips fall where they fall and letting the youngsters get the experience. I think we would have been a better team moving forward, but once again, PG had to pull the infamous patch and band-aid.

      I was very upset when we first acquired kaberle, not because of the trade (which was a steal) but because of the cap hit for the next two years. Truth of the matter is I would have been very happy had the habs signed kaberle in the off-season for 3 years at 4.25M per year, but if they did, I wouldnt have retained markov. Having both those contracts definitely makes signing our free agents significantly more complicated this off-season, and I dont see how the habs can get around burying gomez in the minors. I dont even think a buy out is good enough because the buy-out cap hit would still handcuff us.

  31. shiram says:

    JM on Cammy, and his line :
    « Il doit aller se salir le nez, a jugé Martin. Il a eu des chances, mais il doit aller au filet, gagner des batailles, s’impliquer, ce sont des choses que ce trio doit mieux faire pour aider sa cause. »

    Loose translation:
    He has to go to the net, win his battles, get involved, those are things this trio needs to do better to help his cause.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

    • J_P says:

      Cammy needs to do one thing and one thing only: learn how to hit the freakin net again.

      I dont care if he has to sit there all practice having someone feeding him one timers in his office, thats his strength. Sniping is what we pay him $6 million to do, and we need to get him to do it. I dont understand why JM has to change every players game. Every player plays a certain way, its about using the player effectively.

      Now, I dont blame Jacques for cammy’s scoring woes, I just think saying that cammy needs to get his nose dirty and go to the net is completely idiotic.

  32. rhino514 says:

    What a rash of concussions! We complain alot about all the injuries to our team but we have been very lucky avoiding concussions.
    I tend to agree with the poster who said there should be some structural changes to the game. Perhaps the bigger ice surface would help, but as he said, nhl rinks will never forego three rows of prime seats. Sad but true. Maybe smaller pads…but that has never been proven, has it? It´s comparatively simple to integrate so you figure it wouldve been done by now if there was decisive proof that it helped. You can only tweak the types of checks allowed so much without getting into really complicated territory where the players themselves will not know what they are supposed to do.

    • G-Man says:

      I believe the rock hard equipment is to blame for a lot of injuries. It’s supposed to be protection, not a weapon.

    • shiram says:

      Patches was lucky to recover so quickly, but he was concussed nonetheless.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • Bill says:

        I believe it was said at the time that he showed no concussion symptoms other than the obvious getting knocked out?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • shiram says:

          Wiki says it was a severe concussion.
          I think you are taking your diagnosis from one Doctor Recchi.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Shiram, I think what Bill is referring to was the fact Max got extremely lucky due to the angle in which he actually hit his head and that it was the front of his helmet. Surprisingly the extent of the concussion he received was much milder than that of many other players we have seen with hits looking less severe. I remember a specialist discussing this (no his name was not Recchi) in great detail.

            Plus Max is Wolverine and has innate healing abilities.

          • shiram says:

            Fair enough, but my point is that he was indeed concussed.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • Bill says:

            No, just misremembering perhaps.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • shiram says:

            Well concussions are a murky subject… You had me doubting my memory for a while there.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • J_P says:

            It was a severe concussion because of how long he was out for I believe. I think the reason that he recovered so much quicker than crosby is because of the way the head was hit. There was a whole video done by some researchers which compared the crosby hit and the pacioretty hit.

            Pacioretty’s initial concussion was more severe than crosby’s, but because of the type’s of hit, crosby had more lingering symptoms.

    • kakey says:

      Even with softer/smaller equipments, if players’ speed do not change the hits will be as devastating as before (it’ll be should bone on the head instead of the hard pad), but the pain experienced by the hitter be surely reduce the tendency to hit as hard.

      With the extra cautions the league is taking the number of reported concussions is on the rise because there might be many cases before that went unreported (i.e. Gagner/Lindros during their Flyers years)

  33. Bill says:

    Erik Cole leading the team in power-play goals. Jacques’s research team must be scratching their heads. Thank you Jess Rusnak!

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  34. rhino514 says:

    I believe in Cammalleri. He HAS to be playing injured. And he sure is hitting alot of posts. I just wish we knew what´s up. Maybe when he is back to his old self he will inform us all what was up.
    Can you imagine what this team would be like if Cammy was on form? There wouldn´t be nearly as many one goals, that´s for sure. With him, Cole, Max Pac, Kostitsyn, and Gionta playing to form, I don´t think many teams would be able to hold us under two goals a game pretty much ever. And you don´t lose many games when that´s the case and you also have a very defensively responsible team.

  35. 24 Cups says:

    Skinner, Pitkanen and Michalek are out indefinitely with concussions.

    The toll continues to mount.

  36. Old Bald Bird says:

    Everyone is free to think what they wish about what Hickey wrote. But I can’t quite fathom jumping off the HIO ship in this case. Hickey at best is a fringe HIO guy. HIO linked to an article by Hickey, just as they link to many other articles. They did not publish the article. That being said, although I don’t understand their position, I do wish Robert and others who choose to leave all the best. I think we all have appreciated Robert’s contribution, not only in his column but his overall sensible level of discourse.

  37. patience is a virtue says:

    Just posted this on the Habsworld forums, but thought I’d see what you folks think:

    Dustin Brown to Mtl and Mike Cammalleri back to LA.

    Both teams had higher expectations for this season. Both of these top six wingers are struggling to produce. Each offers what the other team needs.

    Cams is a sniper who loves life in Cali. He’d fit in well with Kopitar or Richards. He can score 50-80 points in a season – hard to predict, but no doubt he would benefit from playing with an elite centre, and the Kings happen to have two of em. Also, he’s pretty much a guaranteed playoff performer.

    Brown is a power forward who forechecks, hits, consistently puts up 50 points and rarely gets injured/misses games. He’s also two years younger than Cams and almost $3M cheaper. He plays on the PP and PK.

    Both contracts run to the end of 2013/14. Cams has a limited no trade clause. Not sure what that means in his case. Not sure about Brown.

    I gotta think that LA wants something else in this deal to compensate for contract size and age differences. Someone said that need more depth at D. Surely we could part with Campoli, Diaz or Weber?

    Also of note – LA seems to have cap space. I did some quick adding of rough numbers and got $57-58M

    Thoughts on Brown? On this possibility?

    • RGM says:

      I’m not sure you’ll be able to convince the Kings to trade their captain away for a guy that has already been traded out of their system.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

      • patience is a virtue says:

        All the Kings blogs talk about leadership issues/Brown as a captain who doesn’t lead.

        Cams was popular in LA I thought. And things have changed there – they’re trying to become a contender but lacking offensive production from their wingers.

        They need a shake up. And PG needs to take advantage of opportunities to increase the size of our top 6 forwards.

    • shiram says:

      Capgeek says LA has $785,490 of cap space, so they could not take on Cammy, withouth sending some salary back.

      http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=17

      Also I’d think I’d keep our struggling Cammy if it’s one for one.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

    • Mattyleg says:

      I’d love to see Brown play for us, but there’s no way that LA would let him go for a player obviously in a rut, or anybody else but a top-flight scorer, for that matter.

      Cammy loves playing in Montreal, much moreso than Cali, and I don’t see him wanting to leave in a hurry.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • savethepuck says:

      I’m not as quick as most on here to be dreaming up who we can get for Cammy. He’s missed 5 games this year and is still 5th on the team in scoring. He may be in a slump right now, but I see the guy hitting 1 or 2 posts a game, a couple inches and some of those would be goals. I would rather give Cammy a lot of leeway and let him come out of it based on his playoff performances the last 2 seasons. Not every player has proven he can consistently step it up to that next level when playoffs come. I’d rather win a Stanley Cup than a Presidents Trophy.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • patience is a virtue says:

        I agree with all you say in favour of Cams.

        There are two things that make me think PG would consider it:
        1) An opportunity to increase size and grit on the top six – I don’t think he expected DD to stick, and maybe he won’t long-term, but with him, and now Gallagher on the horizon, there’s no end to the smurfdom around here. I’ve never been one to moan about that, but I also applaud PG’s efforts to increase our size with additions like Eller and Cole.

        2) Cap space. Apparently the Kings don’t have as much as I thought, so this is probably a non-starter anyway, unless they have another $3M contract we could take on just for this season (e.g. a quality third or fourth liner), but then they’d want more in return – a pick or a prospect PG may not be willing to part with…

        • J_P says:

          We have LTI room, but thats about it. I dont know how LTI works, so unless we can use that for Brown, than we can’t even afford to take on another $3 million.

          The cap really messed up mid-season hockey trades. This type of deal, if anything, would be more likely to go down in the off-season.

          That being said, I would trade Cammy for Brown straight up in a heartbeat.

    • Bill says:

      Trade Cammalleri away and suddenly we need to find another goal-scorer. He’s just in a funk. If a change is needed, you make the change when he’s on a streak and his value is higher … not when he’s off to a rough start for various reasons and his value is low.

      I’d just keep him. He’s been hitting posts and having bad luck. He doesn’t have consistent linemates. For all that, he’s one of those rare players who has natural scoring skills and one who also finds another level in the playoffs.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • patience is a virtue says:

        Agreed. Cams is a natural scorer. That’s why we could get Brown for him.

        With Gio, Pacs, AK, Cole and Pleks (in that order) I don’t think the Habs lack for goal scorers.

        Brown brings consistency on all levels (including the PK and PP), and hard hitting forechecking – which is something that could potentiate the afforementioned goal scorers. No?

        He’s also younger and cheaper than Cams.

  38. Chrisadiens says:

    Those of you interested in keeping up with HabsFuture from SeriousFan09 (Robert Rice), here is his blog address.

    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • shiram says:

      Thanks! I still hope he comes back, even if he feels like things have degraded over here, there are still alot of very interesting people and arguments.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Don’t leave people/characters out Shiram, we have people and aliens posting here. Be fair.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        I think he’s over-reacting to the article, but it’s not my place to say lol

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • shiram says:

          So why did you say it? Just wondering…

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            It’s a running joke..like what some say is Hickey’s place not to say or write about some thing or someone he knows nothing about.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Thanks. He will be missed here.

  39. habs03 says:

    I gotta admit, I never thought DD could play Centre, and would have to be moved to wing, but this guy is proving to be a decent #2C. Hopefully Eller (who is playing well), started pointing the puck in the net. Pleck/DD/Eller looks good down the middle.

    Sadly ;) this for sure means the end of Gomez this offseason. No doubt in mind that he will be traded to someone like Phx or Dallas.

  40. Chrisadiens says:

    Add Jeff Skinner and Joni Pitkanen to the concussed list. Didn’t Bettman say concussions are down?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yeah and MLB denied steroids in baseball for years too. I think somebody is gonna make the connection to the bigger stronger hockey player some day. Sigh….

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Dick Pound did years ago. I have no doubt there is plenty of steroid available and used in the NHL. I cannot prove, this is my opinion.

        • neumann103 says:

          Dick Pound is an ass. (say it 5 times quickly)

          But seriously, that guy sees steroids everywhere. If he had his way there would be a random urine testing program for preschool hopscotch. Luckily the urine would be easy to come by.

          Pound is a grandstanding fool. He admits that he shoots his mouth off and makes up statistics when it suits him (specifically in reference to his assertion about steroid usage in the NHL. See the NYT piece from a few years back.
          http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07Antidoping.t.html?ex=1325826000&en=519f8fd43e9274c7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

          Pound was a crony of that corrupt sack of excrement Juan Antonio Samaranch who was literally a Fascist and presided over the final descent into whoredom of the Olympic movement.

          Pound didn’t distance himself from the International Olympic Committee over their many corrupt practices, he left only when he lost the race to succeed Samaranch as crook in charge.

          An accusation from Dick Pound means less than nothing. Dick Pound can go pound dick.

          “Et le but!”

    • savethepuck says:

      I think they are just quicker to diagnose it now. Players are taking games off to be sure, where as in the past they would of played with minor symptoms. The reason more players are being diagnosed with concussions is because medical evidence is finally showing how serious an injury it really is.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        That’s part of it but look at the games from the 70s. Much slower. A lot less violent contact, especially of the unexpected kind. So while there was lot more goonery back then, the speed of the game right now is making it more dangerous.

  41. Jordio-oh says:

    Anyone else nervous that injuries to Moen and Gionta will both limit the effectiveness of our penalty kill and place a larger burden on Plekanec to compensate?

    Moen and Gionta log the 2nd and 3rd most minutes on PK as forwards.

    Its possible that Eller and Nokie can fill in those roles, but they haven’t exactly seen a ton of time on the PK this season.

    The prospects of Cammy getting any more PK time is enough to make me actually lose sleep.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Really would have been nice timing to have Gomez back. Man we just can’t catch a break on the injury front.

    • newbrunswick troy says:

      Jordio the prospect of Cammy even playing the power play let alone the P.K makes me lose sleep….His game is just so weak lately, he doesn,t battle at all, avoids all hits,doesn,t go to the hot spots for fear of being hit ETC.ETC… maybe he,s injured or something?
      and if indeed he is injured , well that goes to my other opinion that the smallish tallented hockey players are just to big of a liability in this fast hard hoitting level!

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think he’s just snakebit, NBT.
        It happens to snipers. Squeezing the stick a bit too hard. I reckon it was his injury early on in the season that put him off hitting his stride, and now it’s a head-game. I have no doubt that he’ll pull through, and the puck-sized openings that opposing goalies leave will start looking to Cammy as big as the entrance to La Tunnel Louis-Hippolyte-de-la-Fontaine.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Strummer says:

      Penalty killing skills are overated.
      It takes less skill to tie some-one up or block a shot than it does to create offense and score.

      Seeing as we have so many forwards that are deficient in creating offense certainly a number of them could be converted into PK-er’s.

      DD is good on face-offs- that makes him a potetially better PK-er than Pleks.

      ______________________________________________________

      • Jordio-oh says:

        I disagree with everything you said, but instead of explaining to you the importance of penalty killing, I’ll simply keep it short and say that if penalty killing skills are overrated then so is The Clash.

        Anything released after 1980 is as good as Cammy is on the PK.

      • neumann103 says:

        Strummer

        Your last sentence:
        DD is good on face-offs- that makes him a potetially better PK-er than Pleks.

        reminds me of the last Clash album:
        Cut the Crap

        “Et le but!”

  42. habsolutely416 says:

    any markov sightings/updates? and does anyone else get the feeling that georgie or pk will be traded this season?

    ill be in the slot ;)

    • habs03 says:

      After the surgery they said it would be 4-6 weeks. JM mentioned around after the All star break. So looking at early January, I would say mid January at the latest.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hopefully no further setbacks but this team needs to put the “when is Markov coming back” thought out of their heads. Play as though he is never coming back. If and when he does great.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Okay but just for old times sake, “when is Markov coming back?”

          • Mattyleg says:

            I have it on excellent authority (don’t ask me how I know, I just seem to know…) that Markov will be back sometime around the time that the team stated that he would be back.
            And furthermore to my source (who I won’t disclose, but I’ll just say that he really knows his hockey and posts on here under an avatar called M*tty*eg -certain letters left out to ensure anonymity), he has informed me, over a breakfast of poached eggs, brown toast, and beans, that if there is a setback, Markov will be back later than that originally-anticipated date.
            Don’t thank me, thank my source.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFab says:

            Sounds like the beans talking….

      • Strummer says:

        I guess then he won’t be spotted on the dancefloor!

        ______________________________________________________

    • Timo says:

      I saw him skiing the Kicking Horse slopes here in the rockies this weekend :)

  43. habs03 says:

    If you take out that horrible start where the Habs went 1-5-2. In the last 23 games the Habs are 12-6-5, would have us on pace for a 103 point season. Team is top 10 in 5on5 play, top 2 PK, top 5 in shots vs a game, top 10 in shots for. With Kaberle improving the horrible powerplay, no reason for the Habs not to finish 2nd in the division and 6th in the East.

    • avatar_58 says:

      No no, unlike the leafs you don’t “leave out” the bad times. This isn’t a different team than the one that sucked in the preseason and month after. I have zero reason to believe they won’t continue to be inconsistent and play down to the crap teams of the league.

      • ihabto says:

        I don’t think habs03 is saying we should “leave out” the bad start and consider this a 12-6-5 team but rather we should acknowledge that the team has improved and is right now better than its record indicates. It doesn’t really matter how you perform in October. What matters is that you peak going into the playoffs. This team still has an opportunity to do that.

        A lot of people act like we are “this close” to being the worst team in the league but fail to recognize that in the standings (total points) we are closer to the top than the bottom, despite that horrible start.

        • shiram says:

          9th out of 15 team is not close to the top.
          It is actually closer to the bottom.
          Or league wide, 18th out of 30 teams.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • habs03 says:

            9 Points behind being in 1st in the East, 10 points ahead of being last in the East…

          • ihabto says:

            total points i said.

          • shiram says:

            Ok then, but the Habs have a game played more than most team.
            Can we just all agree that the Habs are middling?

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • ihabto says:

            I think you misinterpreted my post shiram. I was referring to total points. We are closer in total points to the first place team than the last place team no matter how you slice it.

            Point is, if all I did was read this forum and didn’t watch the games or look at the standings I would get the impression that the habs were much closer to the bottom of the standings than they actually are. habs03 tried to point out some positives including their improvement in garnering points since the early slump and he got dumped on.

          • shiram says:

            Sure and I conceeded that point and amended my post. But to claim that the team is close to the top is not really accurate, yes they are closer in points to #1 then they are #15, but I’d say it’s easier to slip down than to climb up.
            I see the Habs as a middle of the pack team, and they will have to battle for a playoff spot, once again.
            If you look at the games, you can’t say they are a top team.

            You have to find that middle zone between the negative nannies and the forever hopefulls.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • ihabto says:

            shiram: I wasn’t implying we have a top team. And I didn’t mean for it to sound like we were way closer to the top. I think we are on the same page. My post was meant for the people implying we had a bottom-tier team to point out that we are as far from that as we are from having a top-tier team.

            Like I said, I was merely defending an optimist who was trying to balance some of the negativity and got shat on.

          • shiram says:

            Cheers! Hope I did not annoy you.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • ihabto says:

            yeah, you gave me a break from working on my thesis to discuss hockey. real annoying :p

        • avatar_58 says:

          The record is all we have to judge teams. You either win or you lose. Anything else is just excuses. How many years have the leafs started to win like mad in the final stretch and whine about “being better than their record”? It’s meaningless.

          You have to be good the whole year, not just a month here and there.

          • ihabto says:

            When the leafs have made that argument recently they have a legitimate point that on that day they are better than their overall record would indicate. I think it may sound like whining to you because of where it comes from but I don’t think they are lobbying that they should be allowed into the playoffs. They would be the first to admit that it was too little too late. But man what do you people have against looking on the bright side?

      • TomNickle says:

        Much safer argument to get into “if we had won the shootouts”. I agree with you.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Also,

      If you discount Boston’s amazing November, they are on pace to finish out of the playoffs…

      That is how this game works, right?

      • habs03 says:

        Let see the Leafs are in 6th and only 2 points ahead of MTL with a game in head. in the past 20-25 games, MTL has gained the most points out the teams around them from 6-10 in the East. I’m not sure how you think its out of the question that MTL continue to gain ground in the standing .

      • ihabto says:

        And if you discount our 24 Stanley Cups, we are just a middle-of-the-pack team this season. Wait, that’s what we are even with those cups.

        Teams change over the course of a season not just from season to season.

  44. 44har48 says:

    I am going to give Martin a break on this one. Emelin is used to only playing 50 games a year and we need this guy healthy and fresh come playoff time, assuming this hapless bunch sqeak in. This guy is one of our best Dmen hands down and he is not even flashing his offensive talents yet as he continues to adjust to this rink and language while focusing on Defence first. He does need nights off until he endures a complete season of 82+ games. This is the only excuse I will accept for puting him in the press box, and playing that bunch of misfits on Defence last night. I don’t even want to think about him being benched because $%^&head Martin played him on the right side, while he has the biggest adjustment to make this year of anyone on our team, and he didn’t play well. Spacek suffered the same fate when he was here and some bashed him for playing poorly on the side he never played in his entire career. He moves to his natural side this year, and bingo, he looks like the Spacek of Buffalo, 2 years later.

    Again, I hope he needed a rest and was not being benched over Gill, who is atrocious 5 on 5, and Campoli who was not wanted by anyone prior to the Habs picking him up. With this coach, there also seems to now be a pattern that if you are Russian (and surrounding rebublics) and your last name is not Markov, you have to live up to a differant standard, and I for one, am getting tired of it – SK, Grobovski, AK46, Emelin. PK, with all his skill, turns me off at times with his overdoing, borderline embellishing, and just not playing smart, but he gets tons of minutes, Gomez top line minutes, Darche and Moen on the PP. Gill in the lineup period…while AK is in the doghouse constantly and Emelin in the pressbox.

    And just listen to all the Hockey Pundits out there, I cant take credit for this one..you sit back and protect your lead in this NHL, you lose…there are only a few teams in this league that can still do that because of the chemistry those teams have and type of players. Exhibits A-L are the Habs…I love hearing the other teams announcers basically regergitate what is said on these boards on a daily basis.

    If we can all see it, and the other teams announcers can call it before it happens to us, why the hell can’t Molson?????? Does this guy actually want to win or just make money? With this fan base and crowd everynight he should be able to do both! Until he fires the coach and now I am thinking GM too, he will only make money.

    • TomNickle says:

      Are you counting the playoff runs and World Championships he’s been a part of in every season since being in the KHL?

      That takes his total pretty darn close to 80 games annually.

    • Le Jadester says:

      I like what you’re saying and I am pretty much on the same boat.

      JM’s decisions drive me.

      Habs, OLE !

    • Danno says:

      There are reports that this was a punitive measure by Martin because Emelin did not cooperate for an interview with the media. It could be just a load of baloney but there you go.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Did Emelin completely disregard a question from the media because the reporter was female? Or wait that was JM, glad he is teaching Emelin a lesson.

  45. 24 Cups says:

    I just listened to Ray Ferraro on TSN who was overseeing the Team Canada training camp in Calgary.

    He stated that Ryan Murphy was cut from the team as PP quarterback due to the uncertainly over his concussion. The choice basically came down to Murghy or Beaulieu and the Hab prospect won out based on Murphy’s long-term health issues.

    Nobody wants to take advantage of another person’s misfortunes but this certainly gives Beaulieu a chance to shine.

    • Habsolutely says:

      was Murghy the one who took that big hit the other day?

    • sampson12 says:

      I’m pretty sure that was all just speculation. He doesn’t really know what it came down to.

      • 24 Cups says:

        I don’t think there would be much doubt that Murphy would have been on the team. This guy’s a stud when it comes to putting up points. But there are no replacement players once the tournament starts so why take the chance.

        Howden and Huberdeau are on the team but questionable in terms of injuries. They can be replaced before Dec 26th. There are probably four or five guys who are on the bubble and could easily be used as replacements (not saying they would be as good).

        • sampson12 says:

          Yeah, I agree, but if Murphy had made the team, I don’t think it would necessarily be Beaulieu as the odd man out. It’s possible, but I just wouldn’t say for sure it came down to Beaulieu and Murphy. Beaulieu had a pretty stellar camp. This tournament is gonna be that much more exciting with these three guys representing Canada. I’m pumped. One of my favorite parts of the holidays.

  46. Jordio-oh says:

    A little off topic, but I did some research and crunched some numbers and figured out that there is currently $67 million of cap money currently sidelined in the NHL with concussions, concussion-like symptoms or head injuries that teams refuse to officially label as concussions.

    This does not include Marc Savard’s salary because I just consider him retired. It does include the possible bonuses that could be earned by Brayden Schenn and Nino Niederreiter. I didn’t include Cody Hodgson, eventhough he got rocked by Foligno the other night and looked like he was dead on his feet. This number does include Milan Michalek, who was sidelined last night with a concussion.

    $67 million concussed. That’s a whole team.

    • TomNickle says:

      Don’t consider Savard retired. He’s going to try to play next season.

    • Danno says:

      Minnesota Wild’s Pierre-Marc Bouchard suffered a facial injury after being checked from behind into the boards on Tuesday. He might also be another concussion victim depending on how he responds.

      Winnipeg’s Zach Begozian is responsible for the questionable hit…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2j0yb-hfaA

      And PK Subban came within a whisker of being the next one as he narrowly escaped being injured when he was boarded behind the net by the Islanders’ Matt Martin.

      Shanahan should review that play and suspend Martin even though there appears to have been no injury to Subban. It was dirty and dangerous with intent to injure.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • Everlasting1 says:

        C’mon Danno, Subban was falling back on his own heading into the boards, trying to draw another call no doubt. Martin’s contact was incidental and after the fact. I posted this on the liveblog but mysteriously got deleted. Prob too many digs on said player.

        Deleted in 3..2..1..

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • TomNickle says:

          Anyone who’s been here more than once knows that you resent Subban because he steals spotlight from Alex Pieterangelo. You go out of your way to find holes in Subban’s game and think the Sun rises and sets out of Alex’s rear end.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Not true, the only thing Subban is stealing is the minds of MONTREAL. Alex’s play speaks for itself.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • TomNickle says:

            That comment you just made did nothing but reaffirm my opinion. The old Sergio double shot. Discredit yourself and prove me correct in one swoop.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Heck, even Kevin Shattenkirk is leaps and bounds better than Pernell Karl.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Or the Modereators considered the source, either way I was fine with it being deleted.

          COme on, Subban was not embellishing on that play. I don’t deny he does do that, but not there. You are beyond looking for internet fights today.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            The source does precede..
            You didn’t take note of the way Subban leaned back and fell on his own? I don’t make this stuff up.
            Edit: And no one liked my take on Cole’s ‘empty netter’, but it’s true.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  47. keepthefaith says:

    Aero, while what Hickey said may or may not be true , it’s not his place to say it. And then to go on about Sheldon Kennedy while he was a part owner too. Sure Theo shouldn’t have been in business with creepo but it’s not Hickey s place to say. And he certainly shouldn’t have written and published an article about it. Who does that help?

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Right, one thing to do a story, but to presume you know something this personal when you do not, is something that should have not been written about.

      • Aerobiz says:

        Ian, I have the utmost respect for you sir. This is a very sensative subject and emotions are understandable raw when the discussion is about protecting children from what I believe is the worst thing that this world can throw at them.

        Please don;t misunderstand where I am coming from with what I wrote.

        I do not blame Fleury for not speaking out sooner, which is something that Mr. Hickey should have been more sensative about in his artical, but I am puzzled and dissappointed by Theorn’s involvement with James at a time when he was more than capable of staying away.

        Its complicated.

      • G-Man says:

        Hickey was criticizing Fleury for his statement regarding the government failing to protect the children. Hickey simply turned it around a little.
        This misunderstanding all comes from people failing to read and understand what Hickey wrote. He did not “blame” Fleury.
        Read the original article again.

    • sampson12 says:

      He has an opinion. You can disagree with it, but do you really think we should take away his right to say it?

      “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire

      Let’s not forget we live in a free country.

  48. Aerobiz says:

    With regards to Hickey’s article.

    As someone who has had members of their family affected by sexual abuse, this is something that I can address with a more understanding than I wish I had.

    I agree with what Pat Hickey wrote in his article.

    He did not blame Fleury for not speaking out sooner. He does however call him out for putting other kids in danger, expressly through his partnership with James in the Calgary Hitmen.

    Fleury should never be faulted for keeping his silence. Not only is it understandable given the horror that he faced, but it is also his right to deal with it in his own way in his own time.

    However, there is no excuse for Fluery to do business with James.

    Yes, the relationship between the abuser and the abused is complicated, but to work with this man is such a way as to line potential victims up at his door is difficult to defend.

    Imagine allowing your sister or daughter to go out on a date with someone who you knew was a rapist.

    This might be understandable if you were the victim and were afraid to speak out.

    But now imagine the same scenario, only you’re suggesting that a midnight walk on Mount Royal would be romantic.

    This is essentially what Fleury did.

    I would never suggest that it was his intention, and I don’t believe that this is what Hickey was suggesting.

    But that was the result of his continued relationship with James.

    He should have known better.

    This doesn’t mean he should be ostracised or accused, but it does require explanation.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      You don’t know! he may have been looking out for them instead .

      He should have known better! are you kidding me, do you have any idea the power these predators have over their prey??? Ask some women why they do not leave a husband after years of abuse. Some cannot, It is a mind altering experience.!!!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        +10000. It is easy for someone else to judge when they haven’t actually lived it. The article was in bad taste. If that is hickey’s view than he should have kept that to himself and write about hockey. I lost respect for him after I read that article cause obviously he wanted to try and sell papers and create buzz the way the media buzz. It is the wrong kind of buzz in my opinion. Why not support Fluery for what he is trying to do and maybe make it easier for those in the future instead of judging him. Sends the wrong message.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Without discussing the issue, I disagree that Hickey wrote the article for ‘buzz’. He’s not that kind of journalist. It’s not his job to create buzz to sell papers. He stuck his neck out a bit, but it was for personal reasons rather than money-spinning ones.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Ian – I appreciate your compassion, but aren’t you arguing for victims of abuse to not be treated as if they were responsible for their actions as adults? Is this really a doing someone a service?

        Also I don’t think Hickey ever presumed to know Fleury’s thoughts or emotions. He judged his actions as a (willing) public figure, which is fair play for a journalist.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          I just think that when one has suffered and then used drink and drugs to hide from reality. They do not make rational decisions at all.

        • avatar_58 says:

          So you feel if someone was raped as an adult they too won’t have trouble coming forward and doing the right thing? Just because it is years later doesn’t automatically make it easier.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        How is this analogy related? Battered married women are not enablers, and have no role in putting others in harms way. Financial reasons is a big part of why women remain in abusive relationships.

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • avatar_58 says:

          No it is definintely not. Battered women are mentally and physically abused, they live in fear. It has little to do with living arrangements and money.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Whatever. Point being they are not enablers, and are not subject to the same scrutiny.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • habsolutely416 says:

      if one of you sent your kid to play under james and he got abused and then you found out that theo knew he was that kind of person, you would want them both to hang.

      ill be in the slot ;)

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Pat said when he was in school, he was approached by some of these scumbags. So how many did he report to the proper authorities. ?????

        • Mattyleg says:

          Ian, step back for a second, you’re not reading the article properly, nor the explanation.
          He says that Theo shouldn’t be faulted for keeping his silence.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Ian Cobb says:

            Right Matty, I wish we were having this in conversation and not on this keyboard. I might express a little different. I am not the best on putting my point across as I would like.

  49. avatar_58 says:

    So Emelin is in the next game right, with Campoli sitting? It’s clear he doesn’t care about winning formulas, so keep swapping the D around to give everyone a chance. The next game Diaz will sit for Campoli. Fair is fair.

    If Emelin sits again…..then I’m lost. Vets > youth regardless of performance I guess. Campoli didn’t impress me much. Kaberle is also not every defensive.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Are you suggesting Martin doesn’t care about putting out a winning team?

      That would be surprising.

      • avatar_58 says:

        I’m just curious is all. When he benched subban he didn’t put him back in right away because they kept winning. He claimed it wasn’t a punishment – just that you “don’t mess with a winning team”. He did this consistently with different players.

        So if he benched Emelin to put in a vet DESPITE the win….where is the justification? Leaving Campoli in now because “they won” makes no sense. It smells more like “he’s a vet and I don’t like Emelin” rather than anything to do with winning formulas.

  50. Chrisadiens says:

    @Shiram and those asking about SeriousFan09

    Robert has decided to leave HIO. He will start a blog in the coming weeks for HabsFuture. He has thanked Boone for the opportunity but is going to move on.

    Ill miss him on here, with his comments and knowledge of all the Habs prospects.

    Edit: Agree with him or not. He is standing up for what he believes in and I’m proud of that.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  51. 24 Cups says:

    It appears that some people may have missed the second Pat Hickey article that was posted earlier this morning on another thread. I’m re-posting it so that people are up-to-date on what Pat Hickey stated.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/been+accused+blaming+victim+Hickey/5853758/story.html

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Thanks Steve! I had not seen Pat’s rebuttal on the Flury story.

      I still feel that Pat has no business criticizing a man’s personal life, when he has not even interviewed him. This is not just an ordinary, nonchalant story.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t think he’s criticising his personal life, he’s making a comment on the significance of the press conference Fleury called. Regardless of his past and what happened, etc etc, I think Fleury should have kept his mouth shut rather than call a press conference. I just think he likes it when the media pay attention to him (on his terms).

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • avatar_58 says:

          I don’t particularly like Fleury and I agree – he *loves* attention, but that doesn’t change what happened to him and how serious it is.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Not at all. But as I said, he should have kept his peace rather than draw attention to himself this time ’round.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

  52. RS says:

    Mads Eller?!? Why didn’t I know about this? I want the Habs to focus on drafting Subbans and Ellers over the next couple years.

  53. habsolutely416 says:

    uh oh, travis moen is out. i wonder who JM will turn into a sniper now lol.

    ill be in the slot ;)

    • shiram says:

      Really? It’s gotta be Darche to the rescue!
      Or does Blunden get some love this time around.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hope to see Blunden throw his weight around.
        Problem is that Moen has serious hockey smarts, which is why he’s in such good positions all the time. Just doesn’t have the natural scoring touch, unfortunately, but he makes the other team sweat. Also good on the PK, we’ll miss him.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Habfan4lfe says:

          Ya he definitely has the hockey smarts. Puts on his equipment, ties up his skates and holds a hockey stick. That’s about it.

          • shiram says:

            “Watch the damn game”

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

            scores timely goals, kills penalties, provides leadership, can drop the gloves and add the occasional hit…

            you got a problem with Moen?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Hahahahaha!!
            That’s hilarious!!
            You should take that show on the road!
            “Witticisms Aplenty Make Habfan4lfe Show A Must-See For Anyone Who Enjoys Screaming With Laughter”
            – Kabul Fortnightly Press

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • 24 Cups says:

          Missing Gionta and Moen for an extended period of time is going to be a real problem. Leblanc and Blunden are fine for a game or two but certainly not for any length of time. Even having Gomez back would allow us to move Eller to the wing.

          Hamilton is a wasteland right now so if we continue to have four forwards out indefinitely it just might lead to another trade for a spare part.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I think that Looie has been playing well, and has used his speed to threaten the opposing D. Fun to see where he’ll be once he grows into his body.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • habsolutely416 says:

        lol…blunden has been called up. could be moens ticket out lol

        ill be in the slot ;)

    • Chuck says:

      Darche, of course.

  54. shiram says:

    Diaz and Cole on therapy days, no practice.
    Cole hitting the goal post last night looked really bad, hope he is ok.
    Hal Gill played with Campoli, and Emelin with Kaberle.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

    • Mattyleg says:

      I loved how angry he was for the following couple of shifts.
      Kinda like Iggy when he’s pissed; decided to take on the entire team himself and stir up some sh!t shooting the puck into the dislodged net.
      Great character.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        I had to explain to my buddy why Cole was rushed after shooting that puck, basically it’s considered unsportsmanlike. Still it got the job done.

        Maybe Markov sometime?

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yep. Don’t think he was too crazy about getting hauled down with no penalty, so he gave it back to ‘em. Like a smelly glove in the face.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • nunacanadien says:

        I love how blind we are as fans, for so long we have been used to watching our so called superstars being pushed around, pushed off the puck or basically splattered all over the wall….for once we have someone like Cole who can fight back. You can bet he noticed the difference with Emelin not being there. Without Emelin, the few tough guys like Cole end up taking all of the punishment. Doesn’t take long for the other team to realize Emelin is not there once they start giving the hits and realizing they won’t get hit back……just saying. And then we wonder why our 6 foot tall 200 pound defense can’t seem to stop the rush……geeze…..cause the other team is full of energy cause we ain’t checking the living bejesus out of them with Emelin.

  55. Ton says:

    don’t ask how I know> in the next 7 days or sooner habs will make a trade. cammi, gionta, or gomez (one of them) will be packaged along with a D for a forward.

    • cuzzie says:

      I believe you can not trade during the Holidays.

      Mr. Bad Example!

    • Mattyleg says:

      I won’t ask how you know.
      I will just assume you don’t.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habsolutely416 says:

      wouldnt mind seeing all 3 of those guys gone but gionta and gomez are pretty much untradable and if cammy keeps it up, he will be in the same boat. i say try and package cammy in a deal for a bigger scoring winger. great guy but we have too many fringe players.

      cammy knows the west coast, perhaps 1 of those teams are looking to shake things up, all 3 of them are struggling to some degree.

      ill be in the slot ;)

    • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

      Yeah i give that a ‘no chance’ rating. There is a small trade freeze but I don’t think thats why this donesnt happen.

      I’m going to ask anyways: How do you know that?

  56. Ian Cobb says:

    I did not want to weigh in on this subject. But Pat Hickey is dead wrong with his Flury comments.

    Pat! if you have not walked in the mans shoe’s, you have no idea how much control these scum bags have over their prey and how screwed up one’s head is when being molested as a kid. It lasts a life time my friend. If you want to know a little on the subject sometime, I have first hand information for you.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Have you walked in the man’s shoes? Let’s hear this first hand information, Dr. Cobb.
      Delete in 3..2..1..

      ——————————————————————-
      “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Habfan10912 says:

        The man’s entitled to his opinion as are you without being attacked. I enjoy the differences of opinion here but I dislike attacks from folks who may disagree.
        Getting attacked in 1…2…3

        • Everlasting1 says:

          As is Hickey?
          Nonsensical replies in 3..2..1..

          ——————————————————————-
          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Neverlasting

        If you were to have lived the life I did on the street as a kid, you would no not to ask such a stupid question. You quote scripture, but you probably could not comprehend it as well..

        • Everlasting1 says:

          You presume to know anything about my childhood and circumstances? Still waiting on that first hand information. What you call scripture, I call historical.

          ——————————————————————-
          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            http://youtu.be/iwGFalTRHDA

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Couldn’t agree more Ian. Mr. Hickey finds himself in a hole and chooses to keep digging. The fact that Hickey now makes an issue out of the fact that Fleury would rather not go on OTR to publically reopen these wounds in order for Hickey to try to feel better about being wrong is even lower.

      • Mattyleg says:

        If Fleury was concerned with not opening old wounds, perhaps he shouldn’t have called a press conference to discuss the issue.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. HabsFan1111 says:

    Very exciting news!

    This tournament is always a blast to watch, now will be that much more interesting knowing that a good chunk of our future will be fighting for Gold.

  58. Sharks9 says:

    So with the Moen injury does this mean LL will get minutes on the 3rd line?

    25 before 14

  59. shiram says:

    I saw that SeriousFan was not to post on here anymore based on the Hickey piece, anyone can confirm this?
    I would hate to see his contribution gone from here.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Really? Where did you see that?

      He is one of the more educated people on this site (hockey wise).

      • shiram says:

        Just the night Hickey posted his piece. He said he would not post his Habs future anymore.

        Maybe Markov sometime?

      • The Cat says:

        I disagree, when in arguments he’s invented stuff that I didnt say a couple of times, and Ive seen do that to others as well, dirty pool IMO

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Fox says:

        this is what he posted

        ” I’m going to fellow Kevin’s lead on this actually. Uncomfortable yes, I like you guys but I have my ethics about these things and attacking Theo Fleury in this matter was frankly, abominable in my view. And furthermore, this will be the last time Habs Future is published at Hockey I/O if there’s no retraction/apology over this attack on a victim of sexual abuse. Unpleasant and I thank Mr. Boone for giving me this opportunity and I like you guys, but I have a prickly morals about some things and this crosses a line for me.”

    • likehoy says:

      no offence to serious fan.. but what’s the difference between what he’s doing and this site:

      http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/

      I barely read his stuff other than the 3 stars cause the formatting is just tedious

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        For Starters, all of our top prospects are on one page with weekly stats and yearly stats provided for all of them. No clicking, no searching. I looked at the site you provided and immediately I had to start clicking and finding. That is good enough for me to appreciate what Robert is providing us weekly.

        • Chrisadiens says:

          +1

          Robert has his own webpage where we can view his weekly report either way.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • shiram says:

          Robert also usually answers some questions people on here have about those prospects.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • likehoy says:

            that’s fair, but he could still answer those questions without posting his prospect updates on HIO

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

          • shiram says:

            Well what he posts is added value for this place, and the fact that something similar is posted elsewhere does not discredit what he does.
            I also did not know of the link you posted, and it’s simpler for me to get all this info in a place I already visit quite often.
            So I don’t know whats wrong with him posting this, obviously enough the admins on this place think it’s good enough to give him his own thread.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

        • likehoy says:

          lol I’m going to disregard this.. Not wanting to click on things is pretty lazy. It’s like you rather read the book report than the book.

          the site organizes stats game by game and it’s in the normal format of how stats are delivered.

          – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Whatever…. you asked, I gave you one of the simplest answers I could regarding the benefit of Robert putting all of that work together. You got more time, go for it, no one is mandated to read anything here. I know that Robert is really gung ho about the propsects and i respect the hard work effort he puts into it and I get a nice quick snapshot at the week our prospects had. Seems to me you are looking to find something to grind your axe on, so enjoy.

  60. savethepuck says:

    Last time I can remember being excited about watching a Habs prospect at the WJHC playing for Canada was 5 years ago. He was their MVP along with Jonathan Toews. To have 3 of our prospects to watch this year will be very exciting, not that I need more reasons to cheer on Canada. Maybe our prospects can get 3 golds and a silver this year.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  61. RS says:

    Pribyl update anyone?

    Edit: Apparently the Czechs will announce their final roster after an exhibition game on the 22nd.

  62. 24 Cups says:

    The World Juniors is a very entertaining tournament that’s a blast to watch.

    It’s really not a fair competition as it is usally stacked in Canada’s favour. Realistically, only a handful of teams have a legit chance of winning it. It’s also interesting to note that players who excel at the WJC don’t always go on to become solid NHLers. I guess that’s a reflection of the age diference and the style of play.

    It’s also kind of strange that some fabulous players have never competed in the tournament. Most of this is due to circumstance rather than ability. The latest example is Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. He’s the best player under the age of 20 in the world right now as well as a top ten scorer in the NHL. Totally unreal. Yet he will never have represented his country at the WJC.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1101336–big-nhl-names-who-never-made-the-cut-for-a-world-junior-team

    • likehoy says:

      that article is in need of an editor.. syntax and grammar is quite bad as well as some of the facts are just not true lol.

      Staal drafted by the Carolina Panthers?

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • 24 Cups says:

        I never really read it, just looked at the names. I’m not sure who the writer is as he’s not a Star regular.

        Carolina Panthers? Maybe it was a contraction brain cramp! It might not hurt to have the Columbus Islanders as well as the Dallas Coyotes.

    • TomNickle says:

      A day prior to the roster being released the Toronto Star puts out an article about big names who’ve never played in a WJHC. I wonder if that has anything to do with one Leaf prospect being at camp and him being a long shot to make the final roster.(and didn’t make it).

    • RS says:

      Chipchura, Eric Chouinard and Tom Pyatt come to mind pretty quickly as team Canada players who haven’t exactly become stars in the NHL (to pick 3 from a long list).

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I do recall Chipchura in particular and so hoped and thought he would be a long term 3rd line player with leadership. Something in the Mike McPhee type range I had hoped.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Years ago, I went to Maple Leaf Gardens to catch one of the games at the WJC. In fact, they had a double header for the price of one ticket.

        During the Canada-USA game, there was one player who totally dominated the ice – Joe Murphy. I mean this guy was unreal. Skated like the wind, scored at will and captivated everyone who was there. I thought this guy had to be the next big thing.

        He did go on to have a decent NHL career, but he never became a star. For a number one pick, I think you would have to say he was a disappointment in terms of his NHL career.

        As Chuck Berry used to say, “it goes to show you never can tell.”

        • RS says:

          Murphy, Graves and Gelinas (the kid line) were awesome in the 1990 playoffs helping the Oilers win the cup (without Gretzky). For a brief moment, all three of those guys were great.

    • Malreg says:

      The reason why so many great players have not made the team is that Hockey Canada hardly ever takes any 17 year olds. It is a 19 year old’s tournament after all, so some say.

      So if you’re an upcoming star, who does not make the team at 17 years old, then you are drafted next year and playing in the NHL.

      RNH could play in this year’s AND next year’s tournament! If you think Canada is too strong already, imagine if we had the following NHL players there, who are all eligible: Couturier, Johansen, Skinner, Seguin, RNH, Gudbranson.

      Imagine a Seguin – RNH – Skinner line in this tournament?!

  63. DearyLeary says:

    Blunden called up to replace Moen?

  64. j2w4habs25 says:

    wow I cant wait!!!.. GO HABS GO!

    Carey Price #31

  65. DearyLeary says:

    Pretty pumped for the tourney this year!

  66. G-Man says:

    re: Hickey – click the link on the How the Habs beat the Islanders page.

  67. cuzzie says:

    No. In 2000 they had Ribeiro, Chouinard and Ryder.

    Mr. Bad Example!

  68. Helder says:

    @tippytoes in 1999-2000 Michael Ryder, Mike Ribeiro, Eric Chouinard

  69. RS says:

    Somehow you have forgotten the awesome power of Ryder, Ribeiro and Chouinard!

    I can understand – I intentionally block out a lot of things too.

  70. Mattyleg says:

    What about Ribie…. oh.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  71. patience is a virtue says:

    uh-oh!

    and a huge congrats from a fan of course. life is a gift.

    speaking of which – better go get the little guy from daycare…

  72. habfanacrossthed says:

    BOURNIVAL!

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  73. HabFanSince72 says:

    FYI O’Byrne only snatched that purse to delete some incriminating photos of a married teammate from her smartphone.

    He put himself on the line for his keeper. Oops … shouldn’t have said that.

  74. Bill says:

    Yeah, that was what bothered me too. I also was a little depressed that he couldn’t see something that even a dunderhead fan like myself could see …

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  75. rhino514 says:

    Who was the teammate? I forgot

  76. HabinBurlington says:

    O’Byrne was a good teammate. I wish JM/PG had shown more patience with him. Regardless of what Bournival becomes, I had read numerous articles on OB and he seemed like an excellent teammate with great size.

  77. G-Man says:

    Whoet was dat?

  78. avatar_58 says:

    Obyrne and Emelin….oh the imagination soars

  79. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ryan O’Byrne is the 6th d-man in Colorado, a team that has one of the worst defences in the league.

    And at age 26 when he was traded, he was just not going to get any better.

    Some of you have an attraction to size that makes one wish one could make obscene jokes on this site.

  80. kakey says:

    I think it was Huet, and Kostopoulos was an accomplice in aiding O’Bynre getting that purse.

    One the topic, the only real bust I can think of for a former Team Canada Junior player was Kyle Chipchura, who was captain and supposed to be a future leader for the Habs when drafted.

  81. HabFanSince72 says:

    Halak.

  82. HabinBurlington says:

    Maybe one day we get it, but in the form of Tinordi and Emelin. PLus Beualieu seems to have some edge to his game.

    I watched the Michigan / Michigan St. game the other night. Pateryn and Bennett looked good, but hard to say the US COllege competition is much different. Not saying worse, but different.

  83. Strummer says:

    Through in Subban and you have a formidable up-and-coming top 4 D-Corps

    ______________________________________________________

  84. J_P says:

    What do you mean, according to many posters on this site JM and PG are always right and we are always wrong because JM and PG are the ones who get paid to make those types of decisions…man do those posters make me laugh lol

  85. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Seriously.

    The O’Byrne for Bournival trade will be a steal for us. O’Byrne will never be more than a 6th defenseman with a penchant for stupid penalties. Bournival may never turn out to be a Top-6 type, but he will add two-way ability to our bottom-6. His potential seems better than O’Byrne’s. Plus, he’s from the province, which is an added bonus.

  86. HabinBurlington says:

    The main gist of my point, was he stuck up for teammates on and off the ice. I see the same style player in Cole and in White. Our team is lacking in these types of players. Moen to a point, but some nights he doesn’t show that intensity. I don’t mean just fighting either, just guys that play the ultimate team game.

    OB probably will won’t amount to much, you are right too bad for him.

  87. neumann103 says:

    I don’t know enough about bournival to know who won the trade, but I saw O’Byrne play a few times in Hamilton. He had the unique ability to simultaneously be the best and worst player on the ice.

    You would see him just take charge out there and then a few minutes later an unbelievable bonehead play. It wasn’t an inconsistency, it was almost a pattern.

    That sort of player is actually very hard to keep around unless he has some massive offensive upside and everyone else on the ice knows to cover for him. Not so much for a stay at home defenseman.

    “Et le but!”

  88. Stev.R says:

    Definitely Huet. That suave French playah

    I only remember this because his family was close to my family back in the old country of Ireland and my grampa was very upset to hear he was stealing purses.


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