This week’s special section


You thought we’d run out of hockey tales by now? Not a chance.

Here are this week’s special section stories.

Habs fans semi-optimistic about season, by sports editor Stu Cowan.

Hall of Famer Gadsby a living legend, by Dave Stubbs

Keith Primeau’s book looks at concussions, by Pat Hickey

Hockey and education – a challenging mix, by Brenda Branswell

Young Bulldogs adjusting to life in the pros, by Pat Hickey


  1. Rad says:

    Tinordi is a big strong boy who is going to get bigger and stronger. He takes the body every chance he gets, and is always around to protect his goaltender and his crease. Doesn’t exactly sound like a [Edit: *P*weakling*] to me.

  2. HabFab says:

    JSportsnet – Fehr and Staff had 7 players by their side today. Bettman/Daly and staff had 3 Owners…Edwards,Leipold,Leonsis.

  3. HabFab says:

    JSportsnet – By the way, secret location is law firm Proskauer and Rose. Home of Bob Batterman, “the lock-out specialist.


  4. Habfan10912 says:

    Meeting done for the day. NHL will meet internally. Fehr says only that negotiations will continue tomorrow. Bettman is quoted as saying that there is much work to do.


  5. HabsFanMTL says:

    and after all is said and done……including tomorrow and the next day……..there will not be a season…….they won’t come to an agreement i just can’t see this happening……..

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You are probably right but I’m still thinking that they have many complex issues needing complex solutions and as long as they are talking it’s keeping the pile moving forward. I’m still hopeful. Maybe foolishly?


    • Bill J says:

      No offense, but posts like these give me a chuckle every time.

      State a very negative opinion, if it works out that way… “I told you so!”

      And if it doesn’t happen that way “I’m so glad to have been wrong”

      But if someone posts a “Positive post” they get lambasted for rose colored glasses wearing.

      Again, no offense intended. I respect your opinion. Just wanted to share my opinion as well.

      Go Habs Go!

      • The Cat says:

        Well his opinion is based on fact. When two sides are that far apart; the likeliness of reaching a common ground in a short amount of time is unlikely. Bettman nor Fehr can concede that much without damaging their reputation and status.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  6. jols101 says:

    On Tinordi

    My point was simply – Where is the mean streak I have heard so much about or does that mean streak even exist?

    It can’t be taught or learned; you either have it or you don’t. Does he have that loose wire in his mental make up or not? There is no way in 9 games that a line mate hasn’t got run from behind or the goalie was bumped or slashed across the hands. Does he have it in him to not let opponents get away with that shit when he is on the ice like they have been against the Habs for the last 4 years?

    If his gloves are sewn to his hands and he is the type that runs to the dressing room for the first aid kit when there is a mix up instead of getting involved then in my eyes his value as a prospect is greatly diminished.

    2 things hold true in today’s NHL like they always have
    1- A big tough skilled team will more often then not beat a small soft skilled team and
    2-fighting is not going anywhere in the NHL. It will always be there regardless of how much pacifists cry about it.

    So getting bigger, tougher and more skilled is crucial. I was simpelying wondering if Tinordi will help get the Habs bigger and tougher or will he just get them bigger.

    And yes while Emelin and Subban show toughness by throwing big hits and Gorges shows courage by blocking shots it is not the same as dropping the mitts and pounding a guy when he runs Price or rams a young prospect head into a turn buckle breaking his neck. We sorely lack that on our blue line and was hoping Tinordi could help in that respect. It doesn’t look like it so far,,,

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Jols, i think this guys a hockey player and his focus rightfully so is on learning the game. Let’s talk in a couple years.
      You are very right in your hope for a bruiser dman though.


    • Bill J says:

      So if we have a player who plays a Gritty style, and is smart enough to not get penalized. What you want is for him to start getting penalized?

      I would prefer he stays out of the penalty box, so he can impose his physical presence as much as he wants to.

      Penalties = Bad, not a symbol of truculence.

      Go Habs Go!

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hey wait a minute amigo! We have Swiss guys that are really good at moving the puck (once it pops out of the corner on its own) and love watching our goalie getting mugged from out at the circle.We don’t need a nasty boy.

  7. HabFab says:

    Real_ESPNLeBrun – Don Fehr will provide short update in about 10 min

  8. commandant says:

    On Tinordi.

    4 penalty minutes in 9 games is an indication that he isn’t playing physical?

    I know a defenceman who had 30 PIMs in 67 GP last year and was near the league lead in hits (Emelin)

    I know a forward who is always among the league leaders in hits and ranges between 41 PIMs and 67 PIMs every year since 2006-07. He is known as a gritty, rough and tumble power forward and recently won the Stanley Cup (Dustin Brown)

    Penalties do not equal tough play. There are plenty of times you can throw a clean, tough, devastating hit, and not get a penalty.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Habfan10912 says:

      The game I saw he was not shy at all about using his body. I thought overall he was pretty solid.


    • Bill J says:

      Further to your points. One could argue: a player who plays Tinordi’s style, and only has 4 penalty minutes.. Plays SMART aggressive hockey, and doesn’t get caught by refs.

      Works for me!

      Go Habs Go!

  9. Bripro says:

    Here’s ESPN’s latest report, from snowy New York City.

    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  10. Bripro says:

    The funniest comment on Twitter:

    So a firefighter, a nun & a priest walk into a bar… I forget the rest of the joke but Gary Bettman should get hit by a bus.

    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I’m not normally a violent person but I must admit. That is funny.

      • Bripro says:

        Same here. So how is everything going for you? Is life back in order? Have you managed to recover the remote from your wife, Jim? My heart goes out to you buddy….especially the remote thing…. 😉

        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

        • Habfan10912 says:

          We are OK. Power went out last night during snow storm. Thankfully it came back on this morning. Neighbor lost their home to a fire last night. Candles or space heater is my guess. Still have gas shortages here. Sandy is the gift that keeps on giving. I told Burly and L I should have stayed in Canada!

          Remote back in my hands tonight. NFL football. CHeers bud.


        • Bripro says:

          Jim, It’s supposed to reach mid-50s F here on the weekend. Nice and cosy, away from the white stuff. We’ll get ours soon enough. If you want a break, you’re welcome to come stay here. No pressure.

          “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  11. HabFab says:

    @GinoRedaTSN: NHL offered a little less in their “Make Whole” than the PA wanted. Now the PA is asking for more than NHL offered. No surprise-negotiations

  12. Haborama says:

    I agree with jols, Tinordi needs to get his PIM’s up!

    We don’t need a jumbo-sized Campoli, we need a tough, nasty, shutdown D-man in the mold of Jeff Beukaboom.

    I think Lefabre needs to have a word with Tinordi, time to man up.

  13. HabFab says:

    Leblanc and Desjardins should be on the ice by next week. Game starts not sure yet.

  14. Bripro says:

    Current activity update at the CBA talks..
    The NHLPA offered two proposals. One covering the Make Whole issue, with a phase-in element where the players would reach 50-50 of HRR by year 3. The other offer was on revenue-sharing.
    Apparently, the negotiations aren’t going so well.

    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  15. HabFab says:

    And you can’t keep a good man down. Berky finds some use for hockey stats even if not too advanced;

    • pottymonster says:

      eh, he lost me here.

      “This is one of those things that’s kind of shocking. There was a big jump in minor penalty calls out of the lockout, but that jump quickly declined the next season, and by 2007-08 the number of penalties being called was under the lowest year of the pre-lockout “dead puck” era. This means that whole promise about cracking down on obstruction during the last CBA literally lasted one year. Even worse, that decline has continued to the point where about 3000 fewer calls were made the last 2 years than the average pre-lockout season during the 30 team league era. So much for the two ref system helping out.”

      he’s totally missed out on the fact that there are less penalties now because there is less hooking. players know they’ll get called, so they aren’t commiting the infractions. his analysis is completely off base and used only to serve his own purposes.

    • HardHabits says:

      Another addition to presumptuous analysis. No thanks.

  16. Numerous sites are reporting that the amnesty clause is back on the table…I’m curious who people would buy out if given the option: Gomez, Bourque or someone else?

    I’d buy out Gomez personally due to amount of cap space it would create…although I`d be tempted to buy out Bourque just because I can’t stand players who don’t put in the effort. At least Gomez tries which is more than I can say for Bourque…

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  17. Dr.Rex says:

    With some many important issues being discussed at the moment lets just hope that Daly, Buttman and the Fehr’s don’t forget to toss in a one time amnesty buyout. Otherwise known as “The Gomez”.

  18. jols101 says:

    When is our boy Tinordi going to get into his first pro dust up ?

    Not a heavy weight, that’s why Zach Sortini is there, but just a good ole fashion scrap…

    9 games – 4 penalty minutes, we don’t need this guy becoming a Lady Bing candidate, the Habs already have 5 of those playing on their D right now….

    • Luke says:

      I used to think that I’d rather have him on the ice learning to play hockey then sitting in the box watching players who aren’t as good as he is trying to cover for him while they are down a man.

      But you are right, we don’t need a Lady Bing candidate Dman. You have convinced me… I’d have taken a Lidstrom, but he never made anyone pay the price infront of the net, so forget it. Get me a Garth Butcher instead.

      • Timo says:

        Garth Butcher. If there ever was an ugly dude.

      • jols101 says:

        Easy there Tinkerbelle, Tinordi is and was drafted because he is a rough and tumble stay at home Dman, something the Habs are woefully in short supply of. If you are waiting for him to develop into Lidstrom you have either never played a hockey game in your life or you live in fantasy land.
        Tinordi will hopefully develop into a solid stay at home dman with a nasty edge to his game. Just waiting for some of that nasty to come out…

        • Luke says:

          Hang on there Champ,

          If you get to equate his 4PIMs in 9 games to becoming a Lady Byng Candidate, I get to equate him to a Lady Byng candidate. I used your comaprison, just added a name to it.

          Tinordi was drafted because he was the “best player available”. (haha a bit of a joke there).

          Obviously there are expectations of him. But to go looking at the first 9 games of his pro career and project like you did is crazy.

          He doesn’t ahve to become some nasty neanderthal, I’d be happy for him to develop into a Hal Gill. Nasty? nope. Solid, thousand game shutdown defenseman? Sure. I’ll take that.

          How’s about we work on the -7 before the 4 PIMs?

          • frontenac1 says:

            What the hell is going on here Amigos? Gomez”tries” and Tinordi should develop into Hal Gill? Mas Tequilla Por Favor!

        • Bripro says:

          Will he be like Lidstrom? Never happen.
          Scott Stevens style? Maybe. Wouldn’t that be nice?!

          “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

          • Luke says:

            Scott Stevens? You mean Career high 21goals in 84-85 (WSH) Scott Stevens? Career High 78points in 92-93 (NJD)?

            Stevens actually put up huge numbers (900+ career points) for a long time. His production dropped off after the 94 lockout.

            For the record (yes different eras, but with overlap) Lidstrom’s career high in goals was 20 and points of 80.
            Also for the record I was being facetious when i compared Tinordi to him.

          • Bripro says:

            @Luke, I realize that your comparison was tongue-in-cheek.
            I just view Lidstrom as the ultimate finesse D, while Stevens was your elite “oh, oh, here comes the tank” D player.

            “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

      • christophor says:

        ….ugh. Right, that Lidstrom guy’s a chump. Bring in some ape instead.

    • Rad says:

      Tinordi takes the body every chance he gets. You don’t need penalty minutes to play tough. There is no comparison between Tinordi and Gentlemanly Hal Gill. I’ll take Jarred any day of the week.

  19. habs11s says:

    Great burn on Timmy Thomas…

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  20. Habsrule1 says:

    If any of you are unlucky enough to know a flames fan (or are just collectors), I have a cap signed by Alex Tanguay that I would let go for cheap.
    Drop me a line at


    Go Habs Go!!

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  21. habsfan0 says:

    If lockout settled soon, it will probably be a 70 game schedule, with lots of back to back games.

    Just like the good old days of the 6 team NHL.

  22. Mattyleg says:

    According to Renaud Lavoie, the NHL and NHLPA have been in talks since 1:00.


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  23. habs-fan-84 says:

    With the season just around the corner (fingers crossed) it looks like Pleks will be ready to go….question, do you bring Geoffrion up whose in game shape and playing relatively well in Hamilton to start the season? or do we go with White, Armstrong and Prust for the 4th line…
    or better yet, what will be our 4th line the majority of the year?

    Where does Leblanc fit in once he heals up? Does he stay in Hamilton the rest of the year?

    any thoughts on whose going to be hot out of the gate this season?

    • Cal says:

      Let’s just say they get a deal done. There will be a mini-camp for about 1 week with maybe a home and home pre-season series with Ottawa.
      Invitee centres to the camp will probably include Gally and, based on his showing so far, Geoffrion.
      Give Leblanc time in Hamilton; he needs it. The Habs will be a team that is harder to make.

      I think Pleks will be ready to roll, too.

      • Bripro says:

        I don’t see them holding on to any of the junior players.
        After the lock-out, the next order of business will be to sign PK, which will get done.
        Once that is finished, their roster will list 23 men. That’s the maximum. There will be no room until someone gets injured.

        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • Rad says:

      Geoffrion has been good on faceoffs down at the farm. If he can replicate that at the NHL level, he might get a shot as 4th line center.

      If Prust starts on left wing with Pleks/Gionta until Bourque returns from injury, that leaves Eller, Moen, and Armstrong for the 3rd line. Vying for the remaining spots will be Gomez, White, Geoffrion, Nokelainen, Gallagher, and Palushaj. I think Gallagher will make the team right out of the gate, or very soon thereafter. His enthusiasm and kamikaze attitude will not allow the Habs brass to keep him down for long. He will challenge for a 3rd line spot.

      With the exception of Eller, who might get a look on Plekanec’s line, the bottom 6 are journeymen NHL players. This is not a lineup that strikes terror in the hearts of opposing teams. Things are looking good for a top 10 draft pick next Summer.

      • neumann103 says:

        I don’t share your overall pessimism but like how you don’t underestimate Prust and think you are semi – right about Gallagher. On merit he should have made the team last year. I think it would have been a mistake in his development,and I think it still might. He likely makes a case for the big team but I would still leave him in Hamilton for development purposes.

        However if not, how about my suggestion for a third line from a couple of weeks back:

        Prust Elller Gallagher

        “Et le but!”

  24. Bripro says:

    That gang at Moishe’s last night.
    Apparently, CP ate so much they had to wheel him out.
    Couldn’t even stand up for a picture….lazy bugger. 😉

    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Looks like a Forum Blue.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Kfourn says:

        I think it was, and they all signed it to be auctioned off for charity.

        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Looks like Prust and Armstrong have fit right in….I really like the core group of players on this team.

      • Bripro says:

        It’s all about Chemistry…. so I’m told.

        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  25. Habfan10912 says:

    Players in NYC for CBA meetings today: Backes, Campoli, Darche, Hainsey, Hedberg, Malhotra and Westgarth.


  26. Hobie Hansen says:


    Ray Ferraro: I’m going to go with Lindros and Makarov. For me, I think you have to separate the noise that surrounded Lindros in his career; we’re not voting his parents into the Hall of Fame. We’re talking about one of the most physically dominant and productive players of his era. Lindros belongs.

    Hobie Hansen: I agree 100% Ray.

    • Chris says:

      The 2013 Hall of Fame Class will be competitive.

      Chris Chelios is a slam dunk: 3 Norris Trophies, 3 Stanley Cups, 5-time First All-Star Team and 2-time Second All-Star Team. His career was, if anything, too long, so he won’t have any of the issues that Eric Lindros or Pavel Bure have faced.

      Scott Niedermayer is also a slam dunk: a Norris Trophy, a Conn Smythe Trophy, 3-time First All-Star Team and 1-time Second All-Star Team to go with four Stanley Cups and 2 Olympic gold medals.

      Brendan Shanahan will almost certainly get in this time. I think he paid a price for having a long career but not every winning a scoring title. Two First All-Star Team selections and one Second All-Star Team selection, three Stanley Cups, a King Clancy Trophy…he’ll get in this year.

      After that, there is no compelling candidate that really stands out. Lindros will get dinged for a short career and the fact that he was only selected as the top at his profession twice (one First All-Star team selection and one Second All-Star team selection). In the absence of career numbers, he needed more dominance than that.

      Sergei Makarov would be my choice. Few players were more dominant in international hockey than Markarov; he was named to the IIHF Centennial All-Star team alongside Tretiak, Fetisov, Salming, Gretzky and Kharlamov. That is pretty esteemed company, with only Makarov not already in the Hall of Fame.

      For builders, there should be another groundswell of support for Pat Burns, although another coach that is often left out of the discussion is Viktor Tikhonov. He was a dictator to his players and obviously enjoyed the benefits of the Soviet system in building his teams, but it is also hard to argue that he doesn’t have the credentials. Rightly or wrongly, the Soviet national team of the 1980’s was one of the strongest teams ever built, and Tikhonov played a role in developing a ton of incredibly talented hockey players.

      His teams also did very well against NHL competition: in the “Super Series” games, his Red Army club went 22-2-6 against NHL competition, including wins against many of the top teams in the league each year.

    • frozengolf says:

      If Cam Neely is in the HOF, then Lindros should be a shoo in.

      I liked the way Peter King (SI football writer) describes the football HOF: He says that it is the place for the great players of the game, not the very good players. There is a big difference. As was pointed out here already, Lindros was the best player in the world for awhile. His stats are better than Neely’s (who IMHO, shouldn’t be in the hall) and Clark Gillies (a joke that he is in the hall). Lindros should be in there, hands down.

      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I would sure not cheapen the H of F with Lindros, PLEASE!

      • frozengolf says:


        “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • neumann103 says:

      I think that Chris has it about right (as usual). There are several slam dunks this year and Lindros is not a slam dunk. Maybe not enough room after that.

      The two difficult scenarios to judge are
      1. the star whose career was abbreviated but was undeniably among the best players in the world for a time
      2. The player who was good for a very long time but whose claim to elite status is dubious.

      In the former category it seems a little easier to deal with the scenario where the career ends early but suddenly than it does for the Lindros/Neely situation of extended repeated partial seasons.

      Comparing statistics for Neely, Lindros and Bure they all played a similar number of games, but Lindros actually looks pretty good in comparision (and Neely benefited more from a higher scoring era)

      Neely Games:726 Goals:395 Assists:299 Points:694
      Lindros Games:760 Goals:372 Assists:493 Points:865
      Bure: Games:702 Goals:437 Assists:342 Points:779

      Also Lindros won both the Hart and Pearson trophy in the same year. It is hard to argue that he was regarded as among the very best hockey players in the world in the mid 1990s.

      And as someone who views the NHL draft as an immoral abomination which imposes nutty restraint of trade on players, I don’t really have an issue with stating up front as the consensus #1 pick that he would not play for certain teams. SO I don’t hate on him for that.

      The Flyers are the only NHL team I hate. With a passion. I won’t even own any Philadelphia Flyers in a hockey pool lest I ever be in any position that even tangentially wishes them success. But I think Lindros deserves to be in the HoF.

      “Et le but!”

  27. Mattyleg says:

    Man, I can’t believe that Random Comment Bot got published.
    That’s some good programming, right there.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. Bripro says:

    Hey Mr. Stubbs. Do you plan on posting how your dinner went last night?
    With all those celebrities sitting around you, I imagine you and your winner (and company) had a blast.

    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  29. geo_habsgo says:

    Very happy to say that I have finally been published in the Gazette. I feel like a successful person now.

  30. commandant says:

    A look at team Finland for the World Juniors.

    Last nights podcast is also available now too. In the sidebar.

    Go Habs Go!
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  31. Kfourn says:

    Good morning all,

    I was at the Subway Super Series game last night in Val D’or, and what a treat it was to watch high calibre hockey again. Some things that stood out to me:

    – Huberdeau should have gotten the star of the game even though MacKinnon was lightning on ice, Huberdeau just has amazing vision and creativity and was the spark for most of the goals scored, whether creating a turnover in the neutral zone or digging the puck out down low.
    – MacKinnon is going to be a very special player, his end to end rushes are and stick handling are something else.
    – Hudon was all over the Ice creating offence in such subtle ways. He is very strong along the boards to dig the puck out, but gets knocked down a lot in front of the net. He is also quite the pest, I know many watching on T.V couldn’t see it, but the Russian players were always trying to get at him after the whistles.

    For Russia:

    – Mikhail Naumenkov really stood out last night for me, always well positioned and made some really excellent reads and pinches. Not sure if he’s already been drafted, but I would definately like to see this kid on the Habs.

    – Yakupov is extremely talented, but either he was off a little last night, or his teamates were just not understanding his plays. There were many times where he passed it to an area with noone there, and there were also many times where his passes were just not able to be handled. He is absolutely explosive though.

    – Grigorenko was invisible, so much so that I actually had to search for his number on the ice to see where he was on the ice. He was very sluggish and was just floating around center ice. I saw maybe one flash of his skill when he was rushing to the net with a nice deke, but it was quickly broken up, and he was out of position for a goal at the other end of the ice. I’m glad the Habs went for Galchenyuk.

    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • habstrinifan says:

      Nice rundown. Way to go for Hudon…. another one of my projected HABS essentials.

    • Cal says:

      Thanks for the report, K.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Great report. Thanks for posting


    • commandant says:

      Good analysis, I agree with all of that, especially the Grigo part, and Hudon as well who I think locked up his spot for Team Canada given the summer series, and these two games.

      On Yakupov, the QMJHL definitely were determined to give him a lot less room than he got on Monday. They had a player on him at all times and didn’t give him space to make plays, as soon as he touched the puck, he was hit.

      One other player i liked on the Russians was Sigarev. He seemed to have speed, good instincts, a chippy side and good hands.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Kfourn says:

        I agree, he was also able to keep possession of the puck in almost impossible situations along the end boards with defenders in close. He earned his star of the game for sure, I just found that Naumenkov stood out more for me last night.

        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  32. Cal says:

    Hopeful Thursday? Perhaps. Thus far, hearing about the negotiating process has been like this.

  33. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all. I’ve refrained from commenting on the nuts and bolts of the CBA negotiations for two reasons. One, I find it terribly boring, secondly I’m not smart or interested enough to understand all the financial nuances involved.
    All I know is when I check the evening TV listings my choices are limited to NBA basketball games. Having little interest in that sport I’ve surrendered (yes peacefully surrendered) the remote to my wife.
    In normal times my TV screen would be filled of NHL hockey. It seems that the two sides are now talking seriously. Why the discussions currently underway could not have occurred months ago, is mind boggling.
    One thing I firmly believe. Gary Bettman takes the majority of the blame here. How in the world after announcing to the world after the last work stoppage that we now have “Labor stability” can we now find ourselves in the same position years later? Gary Bettman has done more to destroy the game then anyone. Please don’t think for a minute that I side entirely with the players here. They bare some responsibility here too!
    So in the meantime I peacefully hand my remote to my better half and watch Lifetime movies (normally the male gym teacher abuses the high school cheerleader) or read another book. What I really want to be doing is screaming at the TV and having chest pains.
    Rant over. Out to shovel snow before the wife finds out I lost the remote……..


    • Lafleurguy says:

      Thought of you poor folks when I flipped on the news this morn’. Go slow with the snow, but you’re probably more heart-fit than me. Your thoughts are those of one with passion for the game. I categorize Bettman and Fehr as false stakeholders in this fiasco, and whatever losses and hardships are incurred from the concession workers to parking attendants to Zamboni drivers to beer sellers and all other stakeholders matters very, very little to those two. Heck, there are probably hundreds of disappointed folks in Ann Arbor, cause the “Classic” would have been spectacular. Hope some warm winds come your way.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Cal says:

      Good luck with all that snow, Jim. All this negotiating is so much jibber jabber. Let’s hope they just make a deal and get the game back. Everything else is just posturing.

    • Phil C says:

      I couldn’t agree with you more about Bettman. I also find it mind-boggling that they would wait until now to get to real negotiations. Everything tactic that Bettman has done has rubbed me the wrong way like waiting until late in the summer to state the NHL’s demands, the ridiculous low-ball first offer, making misleading comments about salary rollback and the “make whole” provision, the “take it or leave it” approach to the Oct 18 offer, then walking out of the meeting after reviewing the counter-proposal for only 15 minutes. And then refusing to negotiate again for weeks despite invitations from the NHLPA. It seems to me that the commissioner has too much power. It’s time for the owners to reel him in and toss him aside. They can do better. He truly does not care at all about the fans or the game.

      The last time there was a lockout it seemed worth it for the NHL because they got their hard cap and cost certainty. This time I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish. It’s obvious they got the to the NHLPA’s line in the sand a while ago. At least they are finally sitting down and negotiating like they should have been September.

      • Cal says:

        I find it amusing that the NHL’s first so-called lowball, insulting and draconian offer is exactly what the owners are getting right now.

        • Phil C says:

          True, but you have to put it in context. The owners agreed to give 57% in exchange for a cap system and cost certainty. They were doing much worse on a free market system, paying out 76% according to the Levitt report. It is ironic that these owners who are typically right-wing capitalists are unable to operate in a free market system.

          No doubt 50-50 is more fair, I just don’t understand why it has taken so long to get there.

          But the Goodenow prediction that once you agree to a cap, the owners will want more everytime the contract is re-negotiated appears to be correct so far.

          • Cal says:

            Goodenow was shafted by the players, who somehow think they’re always being shafted after agreements are signed. Owners always do want more all the time. It’s in their DNA.

      • wjc says:

        It’s true….ignorance is truly bliss.

        Maybe someday you will be involved in the negotiation process, only then would you understand.

        Your first offer is almost never your final offer, it is a starting point.

        The players were not interested in the share of revenues being exactly opposite.

        The owners set the agenda, Gary Bettman does not set the agenda.
        This was agreed to months prior.

        He put his agenda on the table and the players for the most part declined. Fehr was being smart, playing a waiting game.

        Bettman has one agenda, get the owners a deal they can live with.
        Be the bad guy, the lightning rod, the face of negotitions, the same as Fehr. So the players can keep their hands clean along with the owners.

        The players wanted the staus quo…..and why not. It was Bettman’s job to get into the pig pen with Fehr and scuffle. Can he worry about what fans think, NO….he has to worry about what owners think and getting a deal signed.

        No bad guys….no good guys…..just two guys up to there eyes in pig mud.


    • 123456 says:

      similar thought here on refraining from diggin into the nuts and bolts – i think nearly all (or all) folks here and other fans do not really know what is being discussed nor is it really our right. we must know thought, mr bettman (or buttman as you may) works for the owners. the owners have agreed that a temporary work stoppage and loss of revenue is well worth the accumulated future revenue under a different system. and for myself, i generally side with the owners but on this one not so much.

      bless you all in NYC and the surrounding areas.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Thanks friend. CHeers


      • wjc says:

        The last thing the owners wanted was a work stoppage and also the last thing they wanted was to go another 6 years with the same agreement.

        They could not live with that agreement…..that is why it is opened up for negotiation every 6 years or so. To make corrections if necessary. It could very well be the players that are dissatisfied next time. Then it would be a strike.

        Not playing is not what the owners want, but they had to change the agreement and the players did not so they dug in. It became a stalemate.


    • habstrinifan says:

      “Gary Bettman takes the majority of the blame here.” I dont think he will come out of this with all his powers intact and with the same backing he has had so far.

    • neumann103 says:


      What was that about a “high school cheerleader “?

      “Et le but!”

    • wjc says:

      Lets reverse this, lets pretend that the owners said “get us a deal Gary, but no work stoppage or lockout.”

      So Bettman negotiates and on October 15th say “okay we’ll agree” and signs off.

      Is Bettman any worse off, he gets paid no matter how it goes, he is not tied to revenues. He would just be doing the owners bidding.

      So Bettman does the owners bidding, which is “we cannot live with this deal the way it has turned out…this is what we need”

      6 years have gone by, what was good then does not work now. So Bettman has to take the hard road and not the easy road.


  34. Habfan10912 says:

    Bob McKenzie has described today as “fork in the road” day.


  35. English is not a Crime says:

    Going to Guelph to watch OHL vs Russia tomorrow (will be today by the time most see this). I have to say, having done this a million times before….
    O Canada before a Junior game is cool
    O Canada before a Junior game vs a US based team (meaning it’s following the Star Spangled Banner) is always more cool
    O Canada before an international competition going against another country is always tingling.
    O Canada when it’s about to be Canada vs Russia…..
    I’m old enough to remember the Cold War, O Canada at a game vs Russia, especially after hearing their anthem gets the crowd singing as loud as they can, hair standing on end, eyes tearing up. It’s always been “us vs them” and there’s just very little in sports that can compare to that feeling. Can’t wait to experience it first hand again in fewer than 24 hrs.

  36. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …great, great story on Bill Gadsby by Stubbs
    …I remember Gadsby as a rock on defense for Detroit, and Dave spins his background so well …great read

  37. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Celtic 2 Barcelona 1 🙂

    • Peter Young says:

      And it was 2 – 0 until time added on, when you-know-who managed to pop one in. The result is, at a minimum, a definite big boost in morale during a very difficult time for Scottish fitba, but I don’t know whether it reflects anything more than a fluke.

      Scottish football is like the Montreal Canadiens in one respect–an illustrious past, filled with accomplishment and grand moments lit by the brightest of playing stars, that ended two or three decades ago and was supplanted by mediocrity and worse. I’m English by birth, not Scottish, but I’d love to see a return of the grand old days for Scottish football and Scottish football players (many of whom brought their talents to the English Football League). But, as with my hopes for the Canadiens, that may be just a pipe dream.

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