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Here are the exclusive stories on the Gazette website, and in Thursday’s newspaper.
Bettman calls todays counter proposal by players as a step backward.
He further says it doesn’t come close to 50/50 split.
Not good news.
Yup, that is what I feared, the NHLPA did not negotiate off the NHL offer, they came back with 3 alternative proposals. My guess is the season is toast.
Season is toast. God help my co-workers tonight, I’m none too happy now.
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
I really wanna see the Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Gionta line for 9 games. That sounds like fun.
I really don’t think Galy is ready. Even for a nine game look. I’ve been watching as much of Sarnia as I can (only 3 games so far, but it’s something) and whilehis offense looks sharp, his defense looks sloppy. He also cheats offensively like many of the top end juniors do. He’s good enough to get away with some bad habits, but in the NHL I would expect him to get eaten alive.
Plus he’s a centre…let him play centre.
Leave him in the O, let him dominate and work on the D. He can play next season in the A and then we can see what he looks like after that. Let’s not Gui! him…
When you write about Galchenyuk you’re suppose to say “best-player-on-the-ice” like 14 times. Also, you’re supposed to mention that he didn’t play last year, therefore the fact that he’s standing upright proves physical gifted-ness and character and maturity, and you should trash his line mates a bit too. ; )
@Kempie, Ya I can’t waite to see that as well. They will give him at least 9 games. It will be so much better then watching Bourque not give a shit on that line.
Luke you must have been watching those Sarnia games with your eyes closed. Galchenyuk is very aware of his defensive play and is one of a few prospects that puts as much effort in the defensive zone as he does on offense. He is a complete hockey player. 9 games will be the minimum…
Straight from the horses mouth. Interpretation, as you wish.
Whatever he says, the only ways he can ignore his signed contract is if the lockout lasts for the remainder of Markov’s contract or if he retires.
Him and his knee should just stay in Russia. MAB will be signed and nobody will even remember Markov’s name.
Not even his mother.
So, he said that he can’t say… but that doesn’t stop everyone else from saying it for him. Meh… another non event..
Regarding today’s poll question…..Forgive and forget? C’mon. I’m a hockey fan.
Now regarding today’s resumption of talks…..Hopefully both sides are seriously working towards finding some middle ground and getting this thing done. It’s always hard to be optimistic, given what we have seen to this point, and what we saw 6 years ago.
I didn’t like the NHL’s move yesterday of making their proposal public. It’s like pulling down the players’ pants. Their position would have been better served, I think, if they had simply submitted the proposal the the NHLPA and waited for their reaction. If the reaction would have been so off-base from what the owners wanted (like take your proposal and stick it…), then I think that would have been a better time to make the proposal public knowledge. But hey, what do I know. I’m just a hockey-starved fan. Hopefully progress is being made as we speak, and perhaps this thing can get done by the end of the weekend.
So Vargas has decent poutine, even if they don’t have cheese curds, they cleverly used a mix of parmesan and strong cheddar over crispy home-made square cut fries and a peppery sauce.
Did not expect to have poutine when I went over there for lunch.
…everytime You bring-up poutine Shiram, I go into painful Montreal withdrawal symptoms
…the only place I can get My ‘hit’ of poutine here in BC is at the Harvey’s in My local Home Depot …which is certainly not at a gourmand-level You keep reminding Me about
…if any other Rain Forest Habs’ Fans know where to find high quality poutine in BC, I will be forever in Your debt
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!
…and, last, but not least: FREE PUSSY RIOT !!!
Sorry HiS, I had not expected poutine to be on my plate today, as we had a company lunch, but when I saw it listed on their menu I could not help but want to try it out.
Here’s an idea Chris.
Why don’t you try making your own and commercialize it?
You could call it: “Chez Cheezie’s”
“I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”
I have been on strike 3 times in my life. One was 10 weeks in the middle of winter. You needed 50% to get a strike vote. I thought long and hard about it and finally decided the strike wasn’t for me.
Well they got their majority without me and had their strike. We froze from November until mid February. And the sympathy I got was “you went on strike, don’t whine to me”. Life isn’t fair, I got painted with the same brush, no matter what I thought, majority rules.
As time went on as a member of this strike making $40.00 per week with a young family, I got to hate both the union and management equally. I kept my feelings to myself because when it is over you have to live in this environment. So I suffered with a lot of other people that felt the same as me. Eventually it ended, everyone claimed victory. Some said we sure showed them. I never saw the $10,000.00 I lost…..yea we sure showed them.
…where would Our society’s average living standards be without unionization over time ? …but, I hear You Wilfred, it does not work for everyone
I have done three of them. One was quite short, one was 3 months, and the last one was an incredible 10 months. The key is knowing when it is time to cut your losses and get a deal done. It’s rarely the rank and file membership that makes these decisions. The union negotiating committee usually holds the strike mandate given to them by the members as a means of not having to return to those members for a vote, until the committee feels they have made certain gains. Those gains are not always monetary, but in most cases they are. And, those committees do not want to come out looking like losers when the dust settles. If the PA put that last offer to a vote, do you think it would have passed? It would have been interesting to find out.
With respect to all those who are part of a union…
Some years ago, when I was in university, I worked full-time at night for one of the major grocery chains in Montreal, under the FTQ union banner, which I believe is the largest union in the province.
I couldn’t work too hard, I made the others look bad. Grievances here, strike threats there…. “you’re not happy, go see your union rep…”
I agree with Chris that unions served their purpose in helping the workers, at their inception.
But now…. they’re ridiculous!
You pay fees to an organization which is rarely on the floor. They have no idea of the relationship between the employer and their workers, have no empathy for an employer fallen on hard times, but when it’s time to act boy, they’re glad to supply the pickets, pay you peanuts so they can draw more blood out of the proverbial rock!
Personally, if there is a good, honest and open relationship between your work crew and management, a union isn’t necessary. My opinion.
I can’t believe I wasted an hour (my lunch) writing this verse:
This is in response to JB’s challenge – Classical music.
My first HIO Verse, to Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony (1st movement – hockey version)
Cue the music!
Bettman’s Ego….. is all for show
His big ego is similar to Gestapo’s
Whatever’s said he replies he already knows
He knows it all
(At least he thinks)
His ego’s tall
(At least me thinks)
Which makes me WANT – TO – DRINK!
Now onto Fehr….
His is another ego that you can’t compare
Even admiring himself in his underwear
“I’m tremendous… the union genius….
The players love me and adore me
With admiration, adoration, infatuation and determination”
(Is he the best?)
“I’m truly great, I’m really great, I’m very great!”
(Is this in gest?)
“Bettman’s the pest, I am the best, forget the rest!”
(What’s Fehr up to?)
“I’m that good too, I’m the commish – of that you knew.”
Think of the fans? …. NOPE!
Both huge egos…we’ve seen!
They’re classless in their own way.
Refusing to let the game play.
With all those dollars at stake!
But the game will live on without them,
Forever with the Anthems,
And the goons taking their tantrums!
And the salaries… a king’s ransom.
(Is hockey really that big?)
Both their egos are very large, just so engorged
So overgrown into themselves. No room to forge.
(It really really is that big?)
And here they are, the league’s sub-pars without the stars
They’re such a mess, they wouldn’t pass my litmus test
(Some hockey league!)
They need to talk, don’t let the owners agree to stop.
(They are such pigs!)
Will all the players come to play when this is done?
This is no fun!
Won’t be outdone!
I have to run!
Very very good!
…don’t quit Your day job Brian
Greatt job Bri. Did you see the JB challenge this morning?
Hey Jim…did you read my heading?
Why do you think I wrote this (and got a migraine in the process)? 😉
…because it was a liquid lunch ?
Maybe that what I need. No Bri and HiS, just typing without thinking which I do from time to time.
Ha-ha-ha-HAaaa!!! Nicely done!! **claps and whistles**
@ Dennis Kane
…I sympathize with Dennis Kane, and believe Gerald (HabInBurlington), whom I personally and over-all think is a good member of HIO, is off-base telling Dennis leaving His link is not appreciated by Us …(Edit: as pointed-out below, it seems The Poughkeepsie Pri*k has struck again)
…I have been around HIO for pretty close, or more than 5 years, there are a lot of things I say and do that is ‘tolerated’ by both the People who run HIO and other members
…Dennis has been around since I have been hanging-out, so that must mean He has been here longer than I, or Gerald
…I have read kind, respectful words written about Dennis Kane and His blog by Mike Boone, Whom I believe is the Caesar and heart and soul of HIO …Denis, like He says, is not omni-present like Ben (Commandant) or the fellow daily flogging teliopost.com
…I thought Dennis’ recent feature on the second-jobs of some of Our older stars was very poignant and of interest, not only for an older Habs’ Fan like Me, but also the younger Fans that more than likely can not relate and previously had no idea of how little remuneration hockey players earned before this age of millionaires
…I have no objection to Ben or the teliopost fellow providing their links as there are stories that occasionally or frequently are of interest for most of Us, and that includes Dennis Kane’s, whom like Robert Lefevre expressed His passion for the Montreal Canadiens in Their blog-sites
…I know it is People like Dennis Kane (and Sir Gerald Of Burlington) that I have came to share My passion of Our Habs with over these years
…Dennis, hope You won’t let this discourage You from sharing with Us in the future
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
Bring Back Boone !!!
HiS, there may be a misunderstanding here. Somebody has been using Gerald’s handle all over the internet bugging people.
Before you “accuse” him, maybe a little benefit of the doubt?
I would bet all that I own, (which isn’t much) ;), that it was the same imposter.
…thanks Larisa, it didn’t seem like something Gerald would say or do …but I had to say something to Dennis to let Him know how I feel about His presence in HIO
For crying out loud you should know better. There has been a troll harassing bloggers using various handles from hio. He’s been barred from a few libraries in Poughkeepsie. Burly seems to be one of this jerks favorites. Its the same as* that’s harassed and threatened Schroli (Shane) and has been harassing others such as commandant (ben).
I’m sure Burly will respond to this when he sees it. In the meantime if this Kane guy spent anytime on this site he’d know burly wouldn’t do that. You sir being on this site should have known better.
i find it interesting that there seems to actually be split vote on this site about whos in the right, players or owners.
i for one was completely in the camp of the owners last time around because i acknowledged that salaries were getting out of control and that teams were running themselves over the proverbial cliff. when the salary cap came in, i said this makes sense. these are the owners numbers, the owners will now have to manage salaries accordingly.
now 8 years later, i’m no longer in school and i have a real job now. as such, this time i’ll side with the players. i wouldn’t sit idly by if my boss came and told me he wanted 7% of my paycheck back.
You would sit idly by when he lays you off after refusing the clawback, though, right? 😉
i’d be up early, first in line for soup at the old brewery every morning!
It’s a beautiful fall day here in The Centre of the Universe.
Both representatives of NHL and NHLPA should be in good moods.
Conducive to getting a deal done.
If the Markov story is true then I am really unhappy. I thought that most guys on the Habs had something other teams in professional sports have lost: Loyalty.
The Habs gave Markov everything and let him rehab on his own time because they believed in him as a player. He better not spit in the face of the franchise like it is being suggested.
For what it’s worth, Stubbs rejects the story and he seems to have a good rapport with Markov. Even if he was just joking, with his situation and his past, it’s not something he should be joking about.
Every player that has gone overseas has stated that they “might” not come back. It’s Fehr-mongering garbage. Markov loves Montreal and is itching to get back here to play.
Have they really?I haven’t been following non-Habs players closely. Who else has said it? If that is the case, I feel relieved.
ovechkin and gonchar both said that as well. also markov just got his canadian citizenship so i wouldn’t worry to much about it
The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given
I don’t read into the Canadian citizenship as a definite positive as others do. I would get citizenship in other countries if i could as well. It just gives him additional rights as a resident here in Canada.
But he’s been a good player for so long for us so I’ll definitely reserve my judgement. I’d rather him be a loyal and proud member of the Habs in any case.
Check out Dennis Kane’s Excellent Habs blog and join the discussion. Habs fans are usually one big happy family but not always, as Dennis explains:
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Odd. Mainly because Dennis Kane’s blog is listed on the “Blog Roll” on the right side of the page at HIO.
Blogger rule #1: Have a thick skin.
Blogger rule #2: Share what you feel is worth sharing.
Blogger rule #3: When responses are negative, see rule #1.
Danno! Stop lurking and start posting. I miss ya bud!
Thanks for dropping by at Dennis’ site and shedding some light on the troll issue. It means a lot when people help each other out like that.
I’ll be posting more regularly just as soon as we have some hockey to watch, which might be a long time away by the looks of things…
for Shiram and the Commandant, re: Markov discussion below
the RDS article is repeating – including direct quotes – what Markov said to RDS in an “exclusive Hockey 360 interview”.
this is not an “anonymous” story whose source should be questioned.
here is the interview.
Its all about the Knee Amigos. The Knee! Scares the sh*t out of me every time he gets bumped.
Markov can say whatever he wants, it doesn’t change the fact that he is under contract with the Canadiens and the KHL now respects NHL contracts. Therefore he can’t play in the KHL post lockout even if he wanted to. I don’t know about other leagues in Europe but the KHL is not an option for him.
Also, as I reported yesterday, he is not doing too well in the KHL…only one assists in 6 games while playing the PP and logging decent minutes.
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You reported that he’s not doing well? Or you looked up previously reported goal and point totals and then re-posted them?
…Dave Stubbs, the last remaining ray of sunshine among the remaining writers left in HIO
…good read on Don Cherry
I would suggest that Brenda Branswell seems to be coming up to speed quickly.
This article was in this morning’s hard copy Gazette.
Fehr is the bad guy now. Trying to draw out the process for bargaining power and to get more concessions. 50/50 is fair, the contracting issues are fair, but he wants to get more “for the players.” Fehr just wants his cut, what a snake. Bettman may be a schemer, but this proposal is a good one. What’s funny is that players have said they are willing to make sacrifices so that the league can continue to grow and support weaker teams, but then Fehr says the player position is that along with saying they want a bigger share of the pie – a contradiction. He wants to eat the cake and have it too. Fehr is a weasel, let there be hockey! With a full season the players don’t lose any money this year, and old contracts don’t get rolled back. Sure there is a bit of revenue sharing among players to cover that but what’s the problem with that? Is being guaranteed 600,000 dollars a year so little that you can’t have some sort of pot to cover a new agreement? Screw that! We want hockey, Fehr can go to hell.
Get more concessions? “More”???? What concessions are the NHL owners considering giving exactly? Every single point in their offer had the players giving concessions with absolutely nothing going back the other way. I’d suggest you are being fooled somehow. Perhaps it’s that the Owners started at 43 and went up to 50 and that seems like a concession to you, but look at the real picture.
I have a 50, you say you want me to give you 40 of it and I say get lost, you say ok I only have to give you 25 of it, but I also have to let you have free access to my house, girlfriend and car, and I have to give you my tv, and video games, etc and you’re now being generous because you’re only asking me to give you $25 of my $50 and how dare I be so greedy and spiteful with all the concessions you are giving me. I should stop looking for more concessions from you and agree already.
Ummm that’s not how it works in the realm of reality.
You can’t be taken seriously with that handle.
Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.
Fehr is the bad guy to us because we just want to see hockey come back. We don’t care how much the guys get paid to do it. Fehr was hired to negotiate on the players behalf and it is his job to get them the absolute best deal he can get them.
As they say, it’s business not personal. No bad guys, just large wallets that can fit more money.
If Fehr thinks he smells blood then he will go for the kill at the negotiating table. Us fans are the only ones who lose here unfortunately.
Was just looking over the 2013 draft, looking for the Calgary pick sent with the Cammy deal, and noticed the Blue Jackets have 3 first round pick, granted the 2 additional ones are from powerhouse team, but still that’s a good number of assets to hold, and people keep claiming it’s such a deep draft too.
Just saw this thought from SensFan09 on TSN about today’s meeting:
“(the NHLPA) Reaction will be one of two things. They present a counter proposal based on their August 12th proposal and the NHL walks out, or they propose some wild changes to the proposal and the NHL walks out.”
Sadly, this is about what I am expecting. But it brings up the question:
WHAT WOULD A GOOD MEETING TODAY LOOK LIKE?
While I am expecting less, I am hoping that this happens:
A) the NHLPA makes a legitimate counter-offer that takes a large step away from their initial proposal to demonstrate REAL movement too
B) Bettman and co. DON’T walk-out, or cry to the press, or flail their arms because the NHLPA didn’t just say ‘okay’, and instead plan another step in response.
This is POSSIBLE. And it would show that both sides are more interested in finding a compromise than playing a PR game. We’ll know soon.
A MISSING PIECE/IF I WERE A PLAYER:
One thing from Fehr’s reaction really bothers me. It’s a small thing in a way but he says “the owners are asking us to give up a lot, but what are they offering in return”. While the point is valid, it’s up to the NHLPA to SAY something they want in return. The NHLPA needs to think of things they players want that the owners would be willing to give for more money. More say in how the league is run, or in certain league offices (discipline?), rule changes, or a strong safety committee…. There ARE things the players DO want, but the NHLPA has to my eyes done precious little to highlight them. If I were a hockey player, I would gladly take a 5% pay cut for a safer work environment where I get more say in how the rinks and rules are changed over time to protect my body and my brain.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
Referring to your “missing piece”.
I think Fehr’s “leaked” letter was his way of swaying popular votes back toward the players.
Bettman has played an intelligent game of negotiating chess, and has had some success.
If the players continue to stamp their feet through Fehr, in order to get what they want, that is to give up little or nothing, then they must play the same game.
Both of these guys are very good at posturing for the fans’ support.
First televised Bulldogs game Sat. 7pm TVA Sports. Yeah Baby!
Also on sportsnet 1 as well. Not sure who would have better coverage
Sportsnet will be very biased towards the Marlies.
So with PK unsigned, does this mean he must be signed after the CBA is signed and before he reports to camp, or does it have to get done before the first game (Nov. 2)?
I’m a little confused.
Burly, I was able to score some tickets for tomorrow’s bulldogs game. If anyone needs tickets I found a guy trying to sell 7 and I have taken 2 so there is 5 left
I told Mike Boone he might have to get ready to be live blogging come Nov. (maybe) and he sent me a quick note below.
I’m tanned, rested and ready.
Awesome. Bring it on Mike…
Has anyone heard how Rene Bourque rehab is coming along? The one good thing about this lockout has been allowing our injured guys to get closer to being ready to play. Would have sucked to have had no Erik Cole to start the season.
If NHL were to start Nov.2, here is lineup I’d like to see. This is including injuries to Noki and Bourque.
Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Eller Plekanec Gionta
Prust Leblanc Moen
White Gomez Armstong
Unfortunately…..I think again Gomer will be given another small chance to prove he still belongs in NHL. I put him on 4th line….he might also get some specialty teams play.
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
Hopefully Bourque is put in an “exploitation” role, easy offensive minutes, he clearly does not cut it in a tough responsible role with Plekanec.
With the way the CBA is shaping up, it does seem Gomez will be playing as a Habs, unless they can do the cap hit trades mentionned in the NHL’s proposal.
As always it’s important to check up on who is reporting, and on the Markov story on RDS, they did not attach any names.
Same thing happened some while ago about another controversial item, I think it was the Subban deal, and it turned out false also.
Exactly. If Lavoie attaches his name to it, then its got some credibility. But with no names on here, its RDS’ b/s again.
Go Habs Go!
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Well Louis-Phillipe Neveu is backing the story on Twitter with Stubbs, but common sense dictates Markov will indeed be back, unless the lockout last for the remainder of his deal.
Has anyone watched Frédéric Gauthier play hockey in the Q this year? Does he speak French?
Could be on the radar for the Habs this summer if the team doesn’t draft in the top five.
@Stubbs.Great interview with Cherry. Sounds like he is getting cabin fever over on Wolfe Island. Can’t wait to read his predictions for the Habs this Saturday.Should be a corker eh? Thanks Amigo!
From Darren Dreger via Twitter moments ago :
“Today is most significant to date in the CBA negs. If PA proposal prompts ongoing talk there will be hockey. If not season is in jeopardy.”
I could not agree more with this statement. There is 0% chance the NHLPA is going to accept the NHL’s latest proposal. The important thing today is, will the NHLPA react to this proposal with a reasonable counter offer. Up until now, neither side in these negotiations have been on the same chapter, let alone being on the same page. I truly believe a favorable response by the PA today means an agreement with definitely be hammerred out over the next week or so.
“They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
Elliotte Friedman: time for the players to sit down at the table:
This is all INSANE to me. Taking a step back, why is it ANY BUSINESS AT ALL of the players to know anything about percentage of revenues??? They should negotiate individual contracts to play hockey, then STFU! If they don’t like the ridiculously exorbitant sums that they are offered to play a sport, then don’t play. Point finale.
Stop making sense!
don’t you just love unions?
The fans need a good union!
I think we need a substance abuse counselor. We need to get this hockey monkey off our backs so that the players and owners don’t abuse us anymore.
There was a time when the players and their agents negotiated the individual sums, and the contracts weren’t tied to Revenue. We called that pre-2004 lockout.
Remember it is the Owners who wanted “linkage” who wanted the players to get a “percentage of revenues” and who wanted the “salary cap”. They were the guys who introduced these terms and these issues.
Under the system you are proposing with a more free market approach to things… the Owners had to be saved from themselves, because with no restrictions they showed no ability to run these teams as businesses and gave out contracts that were unsustainable.
I think most everyone here is making good points regarding their views of each side. At the end of the day, all we can hope for is that both parties approach a negotiation with true fairness and respect for each other. I know that sounds like a pipedream, but each leader wins if they can find a deal sooner than later. Both Bozo’s are currently not drawing a salary, each will probably get a raise if they get a deal done sooner than later.
“true fairness and respect for each other.”
You are the master of these characteristics, my friend.
But if you look at the NHL’s initial approach of hard ball from the get go, without any attempt at pre-emptive negotiations, and waiting until July to start negotiating from Fehr’s side…..
The owners sign ridiculous deals to try and have them contracted afterward, and the players are tweeting discontent all over the place, I don’t see either side adopting a philosophy of mutual respect.
I rarely agree with Don Cherry (on TV), but he makes very good sense in his interview.
If the NHLPA don’t come back with a counter-offer that closely resembles the NHL’s, today, then I’m still convinced that the season is in jeopardy!
Tim Bozon 11 games 16 points
Charles Hudon 11 16
Brady Vail 10 13
Erik Nystrom 12 13
Alex Galchenyuk 9 12
Olivier Archambault 10 9
Darren Deitz 12 7
Magnus Nygren 14 7
Dalton Thrower 8 3
Daniel Pribyl 2 2
Sebastian Collberg 15 2
Mac Bennett 1 1
Colin Sullivan 1 0
Danny Kristo, Mark MacMillan and Josiah Didier’s seasons start this weekend
Why oh why did they give a contract extension to that bum Timmins!??
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
Lol somewhere down the list I got the two stats mixed up and almost shat when I read that collberg has 15 points in two games
He needs to be sent to the Swedish U20 league. There are a number of games in those 15 where he is the 13th forward and getting less than 4 minutes of ice time.
Heck there are some in there where he dressed but never left the bench.
I don’t like the way he is being handled right now.
Thanks for the great one-on-one interview with Mr. Cherry there Dave! It’s tough to see such a great guy starting to get pretty long in the tooth. When he talks hockey, Cherry is almost always bang on! Great read!
Who is this Mr. Cherry you speak of?
I recently had a chance to watch some Erie Otters games on demand.
A look at Erie Otters phenom, and 15 year old exceptional OHL player Connor McDavid.
I think Erie plays London on SPortsnet this Friday. I will be PVR’ing that game to get a look at this kid. He indeed looks like another Keeper.
You are correct, they play London on Friday, which is why I wanted this article out today, so that people would have a preview of McDavid before he hits national TV.
Thanks Ben, appreciate all your footwork preparing us for so many young prospects. Look forward to meeting you next Friday.
Burly, I might not be there Friday….I just went online to get tickets and I think it is sold out! I am a tad shocked.
Really? Holy Cow that is a shock. I will check with my buddy and see if he has people lined up yet for all 4 tickets he has. If he hasn’t I will see if he minds me having you use one. Keep checking for my posts if you would be interested.
Edit: Kooch, call Greg Diamond at the number Habfan10912 posted below, tell him you are in our group for the following Friday, perhaps he can dig up some tix for you.
Yeah, I was shocked as well. I need to grab two tickets as a buddy is coming with me so don’ t worry. I might have to go after Scalper tickets. Worst comes to worst I just go for a beer.
I called the guy from the bulldogs for the summitt tickets but he isn’t calling me back. I just went online and bought tickets for next weeks game. I didn’t want to miss out two weeks in a row LOL
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The players are delusional if they think this is the “start” of a negotiating process. This is more of a take it or leave it offer. Sure, there may be some tinkering around the edges but this is essentially it.
The players don’t seem to understand the owners can drag this out a whole lot longer than they (the players) can.
Lastly, I see Gionta and the rest of his “colleagues” whining that this proposal wasn’t offered weeks ago. Do the players forget that the league was willing to negotiate with the NHLPA over a year ago!?
I don’t buy that for a second. If it was a take it or leave it offer, it wouldn’t have come out 10 days before Bettman’s deadline for an 82 games season.
I think that the owners aren’t as united as they were last time, and there is no appetite to lose the whole season, especially from the teams that actually do make money, and the fact that the owners are getting pressure from broadcasters in Canada, from NBC, and from sponsors to play.
The big thing here is the fact that they found a way to put 82 games back on the ice. The big markets were willing to lose the preseason to squeeze out some extra salary reductions, but Molson, MLSE, MSG, and other big money teams don’t want to lose regular season games this time around.
I think it’s been pretty clear the owners have wanted 50/50 the whole time. I don’t think there’s much room for movement here.
I do agree with your premise of the have’s and have-nots. No doubt, the big market teams would like to get the season under way and I also agree that the owners are probably not as united as before, but at the end of the day, when push comes to shove they can still “out-last” the union here.
The bottom line for me however, is the fact that the league was willing to negotiate with the PA over a year ago and now we have Gionta whining about the timing of this proposal. Give me a break Brian, don’t tell me Fehr hasn’t had a proposal of his own sitting on his desk waiting for the right time. Bettman just played his Queen right and Fehr knows it.
‘Tinkering around the edges’ is negotiating, you know. So they’re not really that ‘delusional’ at all, I guess.
The owners can’t drag this out that long. In Montreal, the owner could drag it out for 5 years, and sell out the next 10 seasons; in Florida/Nashville/Raleigh/Phoenix/Columbus etc etc… if they don’t start playing next month, they can kiss their ‘fan-base’ goodbye, and they know it.
Why so down on the players? What’s with all the vitriol towards them? ‘Delusional’? ‘Whining’? ‘”Colleagues”‘?
—Hope Springs Eternal—
In answer to your last question; the players make a LOT of money playing a GAME. So, they should stop whining and being delusional. Most folks will never see a $500K pay cheque, let alone a $13 million signing bonus.
Other than that, Matty, we may have a season after all!
I hate seeing this argument. hockey players play a game watched by millions, it’s an entertainment business as much as it is a game. They work when they’re not playing, whether it’s conditioning, practicing, eating lentil soup rather than a cheeseburger or being in the public eye; which we all know is very intense in some markets. You can’t compare their salaries to you and me, because yes you’re right, we won’t see that kind of pay cheque. You know who will though? Actors, musicians and all the others involved in the entertainment business. Sorry to blammo all over your post but I see so many people blaming the players for this when the owners are just as much at fault for the whole fiasco.
Not all hockey players in the NHL are “watched by millions.” Not many musicians and actors make this kind of scratch either. I blame the players’ union reps for delaying to negotiate for over a full year. I blame Fehr, personally, for dragging his ass- exactly like he did in 94 when the Expos died. I also blame Fehr for forcing the NHLPA to hire his brother. I blame the owners for hiring morons (their GMs) who don’t know the value of a dollar. I blame player agents for being greedy leeches, too, and the homogenization of the players, who now sound like lawyers.
No competent negotiator puts a “take it or leave it” offer on the table without saying so and while leaving a ten day window for bargaining. The NHL has signalled that a 50/50 split of HRR is their bottom line. They have also tacitly acknowledged as legitimate the players’ bottom line that existing contracts must be honoured. This offer doesn’t meet those two criteria and the NHL knows it. The only way to honour the existing contracts while going to a 50/50 split in year one is to pay back the first-year salary roll-backs later in the agreement out of the future player share of HRR. That would mean an effective player share below 50% in the latter years of the agreement, a non-starter. The NHL knows that and is undoubtedly prepared to consider an NHLPA proposal that addresses the problem.
How that gets done remains to be seen, but I’m still confident that it will get done. The NHL blinked first by coming up with an improved offer and that can only mean that they are NOT prepared to lose a significant chunk of this season. They are ready to negotiate and, hopefully, so will be the players.
50/50 split is “take it or leave it”. The details you mentioned, is the tinkering at the edges that I mentioned.
The NHL has never stated that any aspects of this proposal are take it or leave it.
As per the link, I thought that the KHL will not allow players with NHL contracts to stay. So the only players staying would be free agents, of which very few are star players.
Stubbs via twitter stated that he didn’t want to throw RDS under the bus, but he personally spoke to Markov on the phone early this morning….and he has all intentions to return to Montreal after the lockout ends.
Thanks Mark. RDS should be taken with a grain of salt, huh? Pot stirrers?
Also, it appears as though Markov is very happy with how his knee is holding up. Sounds like he is having a good time….which bodes well for all of us.
They’ve always been pot-stirrers – Antichambre anyone? But I was always under the impression that their reporting was pretty solid.
Anyway, I’ll be happier if they’re wrong.
Yeah, that’s my take. Renaud and the gang on the ground have a lot of scoops to their credit.
Disagree with the whole $%&*ing lot of you!
What a bunch of rude dogs!
Journal de Montreal and RDS are reporting that Andrei Markov doesn’t know if he’ll return to NHL after lockout ends…
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There you have it.
Now every single NHLer playing in Russia has said the same thing.
Message received, Mr. Fehr.
MINI SUMMIT NEWS.
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We are all set for the October 26th Hamilton Bulldog vs. Toronto Marlies Game. Here’s what you need to do.
You must call Greg Diamond at 905-546-8177 and mention HI/O Summit. Greg will let you know of the different price levels and take care of your order. Gold tickets are $20 for HIO members. He has assured us that we all will be sitting near each other. We may also have an opportunity to meet some of the Bulldog players.
At this time we have no other formal plans. Please stay. tuned for any further plans such as lunch, drinks etc… Thanks to Habinburlington for arranging this for us! Hope to see you all there!
It looks like we will be meeting at Tailgate Charlies before the game. The General Manager is going to set up an area for us. After the game discussion has been about going to Gown and Gavel. However, I am going to talk to Greg Diamond again about perhaps meeting some players, perhaps he will let me know where they go out after the game, if they do. He did mention previously to me that getting to meet some players was doable.
I’ll see if I can make it!
Leave Friday morning, back Sat eve… I’ll look into it.
Have to wonder how the showdown in Edmonton will end up. Certainly appears Edmonton City Council has an IQ a little higher than the folks in Glendale.
Tim Bozon ripping it up in the WHL..he is now third in the league in goals scored…
Hamilton Bulldogs announce TV schedule for local Hamilton Channel 14 to broadcast some games.
Any other local folks here know if this channel is available on Cogeco in burlington?
I am calling my local cable provider today! I can hear it now: “The Hamilton what?” Damn Yankees!
The feed someone suggested (might have been you) actually worked very well on my kindle fire. I received two eye rolls from the boss though. One short of a hat trick.
But the Tigers have great pitching. I know what you meant by “Yankees” oh Met fan!
“May you live in interesting times.”
I don’t think so. I think you’re stuck with Cogeco Cable 23 (Burlington/Oakville, or Burloak, if you will).
The good news is that 23 will be televising the game on Friday on tape delay…perhaps b/c they’re playing the Marlies. That means, to avoid spoilers, you’ll have to (gasp) stay away from HiO for a few hours. 😉
I am going to be at the game, so I will keep my eyes and ears shut, and concentrate on the $3 beers. Perhaps when you all watch the game on tape delay you will see Kooch and I being escorted out of the arena.
$3 beer?! Sweet! And to think some people don’t like the Hammer.
If you’re kicked to the curb early enough, you might make it home in time to see yourself being escorted out. Wear bright colors.
A few more welcome entries in the growing HIO songbook yesterday, with Punkster channelling Zappa, Bripro doing likewise with The Proclaimers, and Cal showing a feminine side with his Carly Simonish Fanticipation. Well done, gang.
Looks like Hockey Inside/Out’s tunesmiths have pretty well covered the musical spectrum with a great deal of glory. Now it’s time everyone elevated their game: classical music.
Why haven’t we seen a playful nod to Mozart’s Requiem for a Hockey Season or Gershwin’s Rhapsody in Bleu-Blanc-et-Rouge, Vivaldi’s Forgone Season or Beethoven’s Sympathy No. 7 for Disconsolate Fans or his Ode to Joylessness? Where’s a homage to Strauss’s Also Sprach Bettman? Or Orff’s O Misfortuna?
I see everyone smacking their lips. That’s the spirit.
Can’t wait to see what the gang comes up with. No, I mean it, I can’t wait.
Okay, okay, how about Saturday?
No Italian or German, please.
(The words, not the people. The challenge is open to every nationality. Except Slobbovians. I have a problem with Slobbovians.)
John has laid down the gauntlet now, good luck you HI/O musicians. Will be great to read these songs with the background sound of a Harpsichord.
Well, this isn’t classical, BUT, it is a classic!
Tomorrow, I will answer the call. I do have to work, you know 😉
Nice work Cal. Good luck with the JB challenge.
I can’t wait for this! Tremendous.
You want classical John? I give you classical. Here buddy … just for you …
Challenge accepted…golf first, then lyrics.
Hit em well Punkster, had a nice round yesterday, you should be getting nice weather there today if at all like we had yesterday.
I wonder if this would have speeded up an end to the lockout:
Suppose both sides had agreed to begin the season as scheduled under the old contract, but with neither side receiving any of the revenue. The income earned would be used to cover all expenditures associated with running a team – including transportation, insurance, utilities, and, most importantly the wages of non-hockey players and non-owners – with whatever left over to be donated to charitable organizations.
I suggest this because the NHL willingly forfeited $100 million in revenue by cancelling the preseason. It’s money that could have been put to good use.
Think of the excellent PR the league – and the players, by agreeing to the idea – would have garnered if it had said: “We can’t come to an agreement, but we know how much the sport means to its fans and the people whose livelihoods depend on games being played. We also recognize we made a commitment to the TV networks to provide them with the content that has made it possible for teams and players to profit handsomely. That’s why we’ve decided to go ahead with the season, knowing that the longer we continue without earning income, the more pressure we will impose upon ourselves to make a deal. But no matter how long we take in negotiations, no one will suffer collateral damage as a result of our obstinacy. In fact, organizations doing good things will be rewarded by our stubbornness.”
I have no idea how much of that $100 million would have gone to organizations, but whatever the number was it would have bought the league and union an incredible amount of goodwill among fans, AND a large segment of society.
This, my friends, is exactly the kind of “shared sacrifice” both sides should be making to win the hearts and minds of fans and the public – not some meaningless public relations pitch crafted in focus groups.
This shared sacrifice would actually have substance.
John, that is a really novel idea actually. It would be a way to fuel some humanity into an extremely annoying situation fuelled by greed. But alas, everyone wants to help the needy but unfortunately, nobody wants to help them THAT much.
Great writing as usual!
Very interesting idea. Obviously they would never go for it, but a novel idea nonetheless.
Would be interesting to hear that question posed to both leaders and see their responses. Perhaps what would entice them to accept this idea is if both sides received the minimum wage in their respective teams state or province. Of course there would be no tips allowed.
Owners and players being charitable to that degree? Who knows but they themselves.
They don’t seem to find agreement easily. The negotiations for that scenario would probably take just as long as the so-called “negotiations” for the CBA.
Markov says he might not return.
Please do us all a favor. Stay and keep your knee there.
Under normal circumstances, its a comment that means nothing (who knows how long the lockout will last etc), but the fact the habs have paid him for the past 2 years doing nothing makes it a faux-pas, at the least he could have feigned some loyalty.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
I can’t believe he’d even suggest something like that after how much support and patience the Habs showed him over the last few years. How many teams are willing to give a severely injured player a healthy contract with no guarantees?
Stay in Russia Markov, the Habs are a team.
Wow. I can’t believe he said that. I thought he had a little more character and integrity than that.
Another point for Bozon tonight (an assist).
The Blazers are tearing up the WHL, they are now 10-0-1 in in their first 11 games.
So apparently some random player elbowed Charles Hudon to the head and now he’s out with a concussion.
My answer is NO (poll), they already ruined the one time each year I get away from this cow town.
Just after the lockout announcement, I was asked to be ahead coach here in Brandon. I have zero time for these bums on ice and their jackass owners.
Their only job was to get a deal done in the allotted time. I also sold 75% of my Price collection and my entire vintage Habs collection. Not another dime goes into the NHL stores. I’m guessing 2-3 K in lost revenue, so they (NHLPA/NHL) better make sure they raise the prices on al their CRAP too. Yeah I’m that bitter. Been collecting NHL crap since 1978. Screw them all!
I heard on HNIC XM92 this afternoon that the NHL sent the NHLPA the proposal last November but it took Fehr this long to get the info together.
edit: sorry for my thoughts being al over the reply. My head is pretty messed up, 9 freakin concussions will do that to you.
They Call Me Shane
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Shane, my friend you need to relax. As Carey Price said one time “take a chill pill” when they booed him in an exhibition game.
Everyone, should take a deep breath and realize the season will start November 2nd the posturing and one-up-manship will only end when they are smiling a shaking hands and saying the agreement is good for everyone, including the fans.
Being passionate is one thing, but, it can sometimes back fire on you. Life is short, enjoy it.
I’m looking forward to the next Bulldogs game. More Dogs news, please. Even their own web site is woefully lacking in meaningful news stories about the team. These Dogs are tomorrow’s Canadiens — exciting stuff. Is there a diamond in the ruff there? Two?
rough. we are not part of the US…. yet.
Don’t want to be first
The reason(s) the NHL will start playing November 2, 2012:
I am assuming majority rules, if 720 players vote and all you need is over 50% to decide fate of negotiations and further if the players get a chance to vote, this is what I believe.
The players ages 19 to 25 will be divided with 60% agreeing to play.
Losing a year or two at this stage of their careers is not cool. They have young families and a wife who will have an influence. If they are single they may think that there is plenty of time to make the money back and vote it down. Some will just want to play.
Players from 26 to 31 will be dead against it if they are rising stars. Middle players, grinders, fringe, on the bubble will grab it as it could be their last grab at the big prize. These players see the new up and comers as a threat to them and rightly so, They will vote yes as fast as they can.
The players from 32 ot37 realize that the game is temporary for them at least and the opportunity is now, if they are making 2 or 3 million they will not chance a long stoppage. They are becoming a little slower, travel wears them down, hits start to hurt a bit more, (especially the next morning) and they are becoming replaceable.
Now the elite that are playing in the Europeon markets will be split as well….after a 12% cut from 10 million dollars is if you factor in a tax break around 9 million dollars and if most of the money is deferred ( meaning left alone) they will make that back in interest, compounded. Some will have over $100,000,000.00 stashed away (conservative estimate by the way) they will not want to chase that supposed $1,000,000.00 loss and lose the entire $10,000,000.00 and possibly more over the long run.
If you are an established star you have a lot to lose. If you are a bottom 6 forward you have a lot to lose (everything) If you are trying to establish your career you have a lot to lose (everything).
Most of the smart players are keeping quiet, some are posturing, some are confused and when you are confused you just want your head to stop hurting.
The fans would turn on the players, however, there will be some back and forth juggling typical of any bargaining section where a lot is at stake.
What makes it more complicated is fans are rushing to judgement (as usual) with little or no inside information. The talking heads on TV have to fill dead air and should be taken with a grain of salt in most cases.
Hockey will be back on November 2nd, and if not then the world truly has gone mad, not just ROZZ.
That’s not a lack of character. That’s a good agent.
I’d rather have one of top 10 Dmen in the league when he’s healthy than “cap space.”
While I do agree his contract was unnecessarily large in the first place, I think he has proven he’s all healed up and ready to go. And if the NHL starts up this year, that’s a good thing for the Montreal Canadiens.
Top 10 Dmen don’t win games…. CAP SPACE wins hockey games.
@commandant- we really do need a sarcasm font around here. 😉
Agreed. Besides, those blue-chip d prospects won’t be up with the big team until after his contract expires anyway.
The misunderstandings make for much better reading later though Cal. For the record, I will be happy to see Markov back in our lineup. Our D prospects are minimum 1 year away, they should be settling in just as Markov is set to either sign a new contract or be on his way. He should be able to help this team in many ways.
Ha. Great minds think alike – and at the same time apparently.
Cal, my response was more to JCC than to you.
I was agreeing with you.
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