They are ready for some football

Our American cousins celebrate Thanksgiving with an NFL tripleheader.
Carolina fans won’t be feeling overly festive.

Quotes from the room

Deep stats

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

François Gagnon praises Eller

Hurricanes Skinner still learning

And the circus in Buffalo, where Benoit Pouliot scored the only goal of the Shootout to give Boston its 10th straight win:


  1. tippytoes says:

    No one can tangle with Lucic…He’s Serbian, and they fear no one

  2. icky pop says:

    Watched the lucic gaustad fight just now. It’s nice to know that lucic can beat up someone that doesn’t have a vagina.

  3. Habfan4lfe says:

    If you think Gainey is out of the picture, you know nothing. I’m sorry but he is still there. PG doesn’t make the decisions on his own. Let’s not forget that Gainey also got JM. So Gomez wasn’t his only F up and the PG/BG team will continue making idiotic decisions. Until PG/JM and BG are gone, this team is going nowhere. Only our good players will go and we’ve already seen that time and time again.

    @Lucic fight. Remember when Laracque got on the ice and remember Lucic always going to the bench. Lucic is tough and he took on a pansy from what it looked like to me. Was a stupid fight, a death wish.

    @guy saying NHL not the same. It’s not, you are right it’s run by a complete idiot called Bettman who got a pay increase due to someone in the Boston organization. I’ve been watching the Montreal Canadiens for nearly 40 years. Montreal has been plagued by morons running the organization. Savour the cups we’ve won because if Bettman and the Montreal Canadiens organization has anything to do with anything it will continue to be a cupless team.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Interesting how nobody seems to remember that before BG got here the Habs had missed the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. The team did improve, but not as much as we all may have liked. If you look at a lot of our young guys in the lineup, I’d say the future looks bright, not to mention some of our prospects.
      Just the D alone has held up quite well considering the number of NHL games played when Gill and Spacek were out.
      If this was easy, they’d just hand the Cup to the Habs every year, but building a team isn’t quite as easy as eating cheetos on your couch….no matter how good your NHL12 team might be.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • kempie says:

        “nobody seems to remember that before BG got here the Habs had missed the playoffs 4 out of 5 years.”

        I can’t understand how anybody can forget how dark that period was.

      • Chris says:

        Without wanting to take anything away from Gainey, who did a lot of good things, I think it is a bit unfair to point to the fact that he got the team to the playoffs after the team missed 4 out of 5 seasons.

        Look at the last few drafts…none of the players drafted in 2008, 2009, 2010 or 2011 have made the NHL roster yet. This isn’t a knock against the drafting, but more a demonstration that it takes 4-5 years of drafting before a team reaps the rewards.

        In Gainey’s case, he came into the GM position in the summer of 2003. Over the next few years, he reaped the benefits of the 1998-2003 drafts of the much-despised Rejean Houle administration and the Andre Savard administration. Players like Saku Koivu, Jose Theodore, Michael Ryder, Andrei Markov, Jozef Balej (who was thought of highly enough to be traded straight up for Alex Kovalev), Mike Komisarek, Mike Ribeiro, Tomas Plekanec, Chris Higgins, Andrei Kostitsyn, Maxim Lapierre, Jaroslav Halak and Ryan O’Byrne were all drafted in that time period, giving Gainey the young core that he could build on to get the team to the playoffs. Basically, most of the key ingredients of the team that would finish 1st in the Eastern Conference were already in place when Gainey came in.

        Again, this isn’t to knock Gainey, but more an effort to point out that his predecessors left him in better shape than they are often given credit for.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Well said. I think Gainey did a pretty decent job of rebuilding some aspects of this team, but I can’t say I agree with everything he did.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • habmanj says:

        Well said Habsrule1.

        Chris, Gainey was in the driver seat for alot of the talent we have now. And don’t forget that aside from drafting, Gainey rebuilt pretty much the entire team …alot of it in one free agency period, and didn’t miss a step. Price, Cammalleri, Gionta, Gorges, MaxPac, Subban, Gill, Hammer (sorely missed) …the list goes on. Most of the players you mention are no longer in Montreal but I believe the Habs are a better team now then they were then.

        Aside from the Gomez trade, I have nothing but praise for what Gainey did during his tenure and was sad to see him go.

        However I also believe JM is a good coach and PG is a more than capable GM so what do I know 🙂

        • Chris says:

          I was going to mention that the young players we are seeing now ARE the result of Gainey’s tenure as GM and, by and large, I am extremely happy with the work he did.

          I think he made some bad mistakes (the Ribeiro deal, trading Huet in favour of an unproven rookie in the midst of their best season in 15 years, losing Streit, the undermining of his coaching staff), but the good generally outweighed the bad.

          You are right to point out that most of the players are no longer in Montreal, but that is the nature of the sport. I sincerely doubt that most of the players Gainey brought in from 2003-2009 will be here in 2016, either.

          As I said, I refuse to knock Gainey. But to give him credit for turning the team around so quickly is not terribly accurate, either.

    • G-Man says:

      40 years of watching and you can’t see all the improvements since Gainey has been back? You are willfully blind and yet another fan that believes he’s smarter than all the hockey people the Habs have. It’s sad, really.

  4. twilighthours says:

    That was quite the Berkshire lovefest. I’m sure there was more to the conversation, but proving plex takes more penalties per 60 mins says nothing about the quality of penalties he took.

    • Bill says:

      I liked the article and props to Berkshire: the SECOND time he’s been the subject of a Gazette article! Good for you!

      As to the stats: any stat that tells me Gomez is better Plekanec is obviously out to lunch. If Corsi correlates to puck possession, which means you should score more and win more, that in combination with Gomez’s amazingly bad +/- last year is a true head-scratcher. So Gomez “owned the puck” … well it was consistently going in his own team’s net in the process, so what was the benefit?

      Like I said to Berkshire, stats break down when you apply them to specific instances. The Canadiens could be “statistically good” for a whole year and miss the playoffs. Good stats are cold comfort in that case. The example in the above paragraph also shows what happens when you start INTERPRETING the stats. Okay, maybe Gomez’s corsi was good: but to interpret that to mean he was effective on the ice doesn’t match reality.

      Even so, I salute AB for this recognition, and applaud his forays into statistical wizardry: it’s always interesting to read.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • twilighthours says:

        Yep, I’m happy for Berkshire, too. He’ll find a niche and roll with it. But I essentially agree with you. Besides, there’s a lot more to be learned by actually watching, coaching, playing hockey than trying to crunch every obscure piece of data out there.

        I don’t understand why the Gazette would give him a soapbox, though. That’s a head-scratcher to me.

    • berkshire in the gazette 2

      twilight still lives in halifax 0

      just sayin

  5. top-cat says:

    Check out the TSN home page EVERY image (all 4) is Toronto blue.

  6. samTHEman says:

    I will kill Gauthier if Gorges walks as a UFA. Don’t let him test free agency. Some teams will overpay. Hopefully we won’t see a Streit/Komisarek/Wisniewski deja-vu

    • tbovs says:

      Komisarek was offerred more money to stay he decided to leave on his own. Streit was too expensive, and Wisniewski well….i’ll give u that one.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The Wiz is already at -9 after only 13 games.

        That’s good for 698th in the league (out of 717 players). All the players with worse +/- have played 6 more games than him.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Gorges is not anyone we should be desperate to hold on to. Maybe you haven’t noticed but we have immense talent at defence. Gorges especially as of late has not impressed me. I like Gorges, don’t get me wrong but I would not be upset if he was gone.

      • kempie says:

        He’s not a #2 dman but he’s getting those minutes now because of injuries. Personally, I think he’s holding up pretty well. JG is a very solid second pairing dman who is excellent on the pk, and those guys don’t grow on trees. We seriously need to lock him up for a while.

      • G-Man says:

        You can’t say the Habs have immense talent on D and later say that management is nothing but a bunch of morons. Make up your mind.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Komisarek? You’re upset about that? Wow. Have you missed every game he’s played since he left here?
      The Habs made Streit and he got way overpaid after a career year.
      I loved Wiz, but he’s not good defensively at all and we couldn’t afford him.
      I hope Gorges gets a 3 year deal in the summer…or before. He’s a beast.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Bill says:

      Gorges is all heart, and you have to love the guy. That said … he’s not a big-ticket defenceman. I think three million is generous if he gets term. He’s not a point producer and not an elite defensive d-man: he’s an awesome guy and a great leader, a could-be captain. For that, he’s worth three million, but if he wants to try and get more in Free Agency, let him go. The Habs were wise not overspend for Komisarek, Streit, and Wizniewski.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  7. Mr.Hazard says:

    Cammy is 1st in the league in penalty differential (10-0), and Emelin is among top in the league.

  8. Chris says:

    Does anybody else sometimes feel like they are becoming **less** of a hockey fan these days?

    You come on sites like this, and every tiny aspect of every player’s game is analyzed to death. We’re bombarded with pundits everywhere…newspaper opinion columns, “talk”-radio and “talk”-television shows, online forums, yada yada yada.

    We watch every game on TV, and have every good or bad play replayed over and over and over throughout the game. Then you go online, and see YouTube videos of those same plays and can go back and watch video highlights of every game this season.

    I sometimes wonder if less isn’t more. I’ve cut back on the number of Habs games I’m watching this season and finding that I’m not missing as much as I might have thought. I can still appreciate seeing the growth in our youngsters without getting bogged down in the game-to-game details of who sucked that seem to come with watching every hockey game with an analytical eye bent on finding something noteworthy to post about.

    In essence, by caring less about the Montreal Canadiens, I’m finding that I am enjoying the games I DO watch a lot more.

    When I was a kid, I followed games solely by box scores and the Saturday night games I used to get on CHEX out of Peterborough, Ontario. It’s kind of nostalgic (in a good way) to return to that form of following the team, even if it is only for a little while. 🙂

    • kempie says:

      Ahhhh good old CHEX, home of cult hero Peter Filkawski. I remember when they used to show the Habs games on Saturday nights. Now it’s all Leafs all the time.

      As for becoming less of a fan, I’ll always be a fan of the team, but sometimes the league makes me less of a fan of the NHL game. When I have to watch Lucic’s hockey play on Miller or Chara’s hockey play on Patches followed by Shanahan’s asinine explanations then back-pedalling, it starts to wear me down. For the record, It’s not just the Bs, but those are two pretty good examples right there. And I honestly can’t think of the last time one of the Boston Brewers was suspended or fined.

      • Chris says:

        I never knew how lucky I was to grow up in rural Ontario in the CHEX coverage area. With all other channels playing Leafs games, I could very easily have ended up as a Leafs fan.

        I think the league has done a lot of the right things, to be honest. There are still maddening inconsistencies, but overall I’m not sure things are that much worse than they were when I was younger.

        As Timo said below, perhaps it is just that we often take a more jaded view of sports as we get older.

    • Timo says:

      Very good point, Chris. I would also add that for me the change was realizing that NHL is nothing more than a business. Age probably has something to do with that too, although in my case I can’t use it as a reason. But still… yes, I agree. NHL is no longer something sacred (it is rather the opposite). Habs players have gone from heroes to bums and I couldn’t care less about them in general. I remember when I first came to Mtl and started following Habs I didn’t know half of their names and all I wanted to see was that players with the CH logo would score more than the other guys. I believe I am still that way but all that other info about these bums just gets in the way.

      Hockey is not as enjoyable to watch as it once was. Maybe when I get to Boone’s tender age the same kind of love I used to have for the game in my teens will return.

      • Chris says:

        Age is a great point. There was a great comment about that in Dryden’s book “The Game” that I posted a couple of weeks ago when I was re-reading that book.

        I shudder to think how I might have ripped apart the game of Mats Naslund, my favourite player as a kid. He peaked early (1986) and never really came to that level again. He was small, not particularly gritty, but he did score at a decent level. I wonder how a guy like Naslund would fare in today’s analysis-mad fanbase?

        Instead of celebrating a guy like Mike McPhee, a 20-goal and 40-point hard-working player in an era where scoring was rampant, would we be as down on him as we are on a guy like Mathieu Darche, who played at a 16 goal and 35 point pace last season while working his tail off in a much lower scoring era?

      • Duracell3 says:

        This. Franchises. More and more I feel like I’m rooting for Taco Bell over A&W, and McDonald’s is the enemy of a nation. Even with this team which is supposed to feel like this whole province.

    • G-Man says:

      You are absolutely right. In the good old days of a game on Saturday night and the occasional one shown on Wednesdays, we were able to be fans first and analysts second. Information overload leads to the absolutely stunning hatred of certain players and coaches.

    • J_P says:

      Honestly, I am a huge hockey fan. I think the issue for me isnt hockey itself, its seeing the same old habs year in and year out. On any given night (except for tonight apparently) you can find a great hockey game to watch that will be worlds more entertaining than the average habs game. The habs don’t really give us much to be excited about. Its conservative management style forces us to be a mediocre team year in and year out, with no actual promise of improvement. Its ironic that when Gainey tried to take a step out of this conservative management style, he pulled one of the biggest blunders in habs history (scott gomez). Couple that with Jacques Martin’s boring style, and the fact that we have to watch a floundering scott gomez every night, I can definitely understand why some habs fans, even diehards, are losing interest. I try to watch the habs as much as possible, but making sure to get in front of the TV to watch them isnt the priority it used to be for me.

      One thing that changed hockey for me is getting involved in hockey pools. Just makes it a little more interesting to watch a variety of games on different nights. It also makes watching highlight packages more meaningful, and I love the fact that I can go online and get a streaming feed of every game.

      • Chris says:

        I did hockey pools for a couple of years, but I stopped many moons ago because I found I was cheering for players instead of teams. Well, there was also the incredible fall in productivity for 8 months a year that went along with searching for hidden gems! 🙂

    • JF says:

      Chris – I watch just about all the games, but I made a decision a couple of seasons ago not to watch games where I could see in the first ten minutes that the team had failed to show up. This means that I watch them when they’re playing well or at least are in the game from the start. I have a lot fewer bad evenings and headaches because of this decision. As for reading, I read post-game reports, Boone’s ALN, the players’ comments, and the comments here. I pay little attention to the endless Gomez debate and the incursions into minute statistical analysis that sometimes appear on this site. I like to remember pretty or spectacular goals and nice plays, but I don’t over-analyze or read other people doing so. I did last year, but found it all got too heavy.

      • Chris says:

        Jane – I remember seeing you post that before, and it was part of what made me decide to dial back how much I watch. I still check out the goals (that is an absolutely great addition to the modern box score!) to see how guys are doing.

        I’ve definitely dialed back my reading too. I still read a number of the articles here and many of the comments, although I generally stay away on game nights as the passions are a little too volatile.

        I have always erred a little to the statistical side (I’ve pointed at my childhood fascination with stats from hockey cards as the culprit for that particular character flaw!), but this season has been a pleasant surprise for me for the same reasons that I loved the 2007-08 team; the team is patiently developing a bevy of young, talented players that I can really get behind. I lost a little bit of interest when the core was made up of Cammalleri, Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Hamrlik, Moen, etc. because those guys didn’t have any history with the team.

        But now I feel spoiled. I love Emelin, Weber, Subban and Diaz as they give us 4 young, puck-moving defencemen, the kind of player I’ve always liked the most. With my own Danish heritage, I’m absolutely behind Lars Eller…how can I not cheer for him? 🙂

        I don’t think the Habs are a serious contender for the Stanley Cup this season, but I didn’t think they would be coming into the season either. I was excited because with so many youngsters, I could easily see them being a strong contender over the next couple of years, so I’m happy to sit back and watch the kids grow up.

        I made my comment above partly in response to what seemed to be such a sombre mood after the team won. I sometimes wonder if everybody here is enjoying the Habs as much as they once did.

        • JF says:

          Chris – I love our young, mobile D as well. People have been complaining for years that we don’t score enough. Having fast, puck-moving defencemen should make our transition game much better and contribute to the offence. I’d much rather have the defence corps we have than a lot of slow, lumbering, hard-hitting hulks, although I recognize that we need some physicality as well on the back end. But I think our young guys are going to be good, including Frédéric St-Denis. I don’t want to lose any of them.

          And I love Eller and Patch. I’d like to see Eller getting more ice-time as a centre. It’s not impossible he’ll develop into the big, skilled centre we’ve been missing, although at the moment he needs to contribute a bit more offensively. But he was brilliant last night.

      • LL says:

        JF, last nights’ game was a verrry slow start. Does this mean you didn’t watch?

        If not, you missed a heckuva game.

        Chris, I remember too watching/listening to games as a kid, especially the away games on my little transistor. Ah, Danny Gallivans’ voice – made you feel you were right there.

        I still love hockey, and I save my discussions with “live” people.

        HIO can really be negative, but I take it as fun and nothing else, except I’ve also learned alot from the many great posters here.

        Hockey hasn’t changed, maybe the fans, as they get older, have.
        Your last question above, I am enjoying hockey again as much as when I was a kid, but while I was raising my children, travelling all over for my job, and missing games, I felt distanced from hockey.

        So, now I travel less, the kids are older, and I’m “selfishly” having fun with the game I always loved so much.

        Maybe like all aspects of life, there are peaks and valleys.

        • JF says:

          LL – I stopped watching after the first period, but turned it on again when I realized the Habs had tied it up. Then I watched the shortened version on Canadiens Express. You’re right; it was a good, back-and-forth game.

    • AH says:

      Chris, great post..completely agree, when I first came on this site I was super excited to be able to follow the Habs and chat with fellow Hab fans as I’m in Edmonton, but lately it’s become a bit of a downer reading the comments, so I’ve backed off on those a lot and mostly just read the some of the articles. While I don’t disagree with many of the criticisms of JM, Nomez, PG, is starting to get really old and tiresome. I used to rush home to watch every bit of every Habs game I could, now I can take or leave most of them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still a Hab “fanatic” and always will be, but it’s a long season and nothing really matters until playoffs, provided we get in.

    • Bill says:

      I loved following the games by the box scores back in the day! It made the Saturday games I was able to watch special. Gradually it just got to be more and more as the availability soared. I started being able to watch the Habs 8 times a year on WSBK out of Boston (worst announcers EVER; Derek Sanderson slurred through entire broadcasts with that homer Jack Edwards). Then came Television Quatre-Saisons, and I could watch like 60 games a year. Then came the internet and the opportunity to read posts and write posts, and analyze stats etc.

      Now there’s RDS: I might’ve missed three games in the last three years. And then there’s the time I spend here … hmm. I never realized until you posted this that this is a habit that has gradually mushroomed and takes up huge amounts of my time.

      Maybe we should all get a life and back off a bit, eh? I’m sure Gomez would agree!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Rob D says:

      That’s really the secret. Watch one out of every 5 games or so. REad even less about the day to day BS around the team. I have done this for the NFL as well and the fun quotient has gone way up. The post season is all that matters in the end after all. I’ll enjoy those two magnificent victories over Wash and Pittsburgh for years to come. Last year’s near win against Boston was breathtaking. This team as presently put together isn’t winning it all but who knows what they may have in 2 or 3 years when they transition to a much younger team. That’s going to be interesting to watch…

  9. Feraco says:

    Just read the article from the Bruin’s fan who was beat up…

    Although I do not condone violence, a group beating or “several kicks to the head” to a guy who is pinned down, one should realize that its not the smartest thing to go into a RIVAL TEAMS building and heckle, swear, chip whatever and not expect to get slapped.

    The Boston fan should

    Molson Ex mon ami

    • kempie says:

      “several kicks to the head”

      Now that I’ve seen a picture of the guy, I hope the other guy’s foot is okay. That head doesn’t look like it would be very forgiving.

  10. Nine1one says:

    SerenRosso “Avtsin’s agent: Montreal promised Avtsin 10 games this season #Habs”!/AlexSerenRosso/status/139772476250009600

  11. OakvilleHabsFan says:

    Gomez isn’t going anywhere until the Habs have found a suitable replacement.
    1. It may come after July 1, 2012 in the form of a free agent or two. At that point they can ship him to the Swiss league or the Hammer and Molson can eat his salary. Most likely scenario.
    2. It may come after this season when his cap hit is greater than his actual salary, trade him to a team trying to reach the cap floor.
    Least likely scenario.
    3. Gomez decides to retire at the end of this year. (we can all dream!)
    If Gomez is still with the habs at training camp 2012 it proves that Molson is more interested in making money than building a successful team. At that point we all have to question our allegiance to this team.

  12. Ian Cobb says:

    Montreal Canadiens We Are Fans Summit’s album: Ian
    Montreal Canadiens We Are Fans Summit

    Why won’t these light up red for me??

    Anyway check out the new pic’s on here

    • HabFab says:

      Link has to be an interent address, go back and get the one you were posting a couple of days ago.
      By the way, everyone looked like they had a blast and cudo’s to your hard work Ian!

  13. SmartDog says:

    I know someone’s gonna hate this but I posted this below inside a thread by mistake….
    Here’s a stat I’d like to see.

    Given that Gomez’s puck possession time is so great, yet we seem to score less when he’s on the ice, how about a stat the expresses goals per minute for and against with and without Gomez on the ice. You could run a multifactor analysis of variance to see whether it’s different if he’s coming off a game where he apologized for sucking or not.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  14. habs001 says:

    despite everything we are still in striking distance first overall in the division or even in the conference….. injuries have been a major problem for this team the last 2 years and this year and while we can hope that it gets better the chances are as some players come back other will get hurt..we also have forwards that are very streaky and when one group is producing the other group does not and than it reverses…this trend will probably continue..would be nice if we make the playoffs everyone of the forwards are on their top game for 25-30 games…but if you look at the standings it is not unreasonable to think we would have 3-5 more points if our pp was at least a top 12..3-5 more points each quarter would be huge….i believe for us to move up in the standings the pp has to improve…

  15. adam76 says:

    Its time for some math / probability.

    Exactly how I feel – Montreal is a coin toss. – in every definition of the term

  16. pedro says:

    Gomez is a detriment to the Canadians.Eller would benefit from the extra ice time and play at his natural position center.JM is a defensive style coach yet the Habs are built for speed.Time for some changes before we loose the season and the development of our young talent.


    • SmartDog says:

      Look out. Our resident Corsi expert is going to sweep down on this like a hungry Belgian on a waffle. Despite ALL appearances (and stats) to the contrary – Eller sucks, Desharnais sucks. Gomez rocks. Get it straight.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Stang admits that he may have played a role in taunting Habs fans,”

      • Chuck says:

        I guess that’s why he won’t be pressing charges. He was asking for a fight, and was upset that he didn’t get a fair one.

        • Danno says:

          You play with the bull, you get the horn.


          “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

        • nick says:

          It’s a hockey game. In my opinion, you should be allowed to cheer for yours and taunt the other team without getting punched in face.

          • Chuck says:

            True, but the guy doing the taunting doesn’t say exactly how far he went with it.

            You should be able to go to a hockey game without getting punched in the mouth, but it’s not like this guy was an innocent bystander, either. If what he said (or did) was within normal limits, you’d think that he’s be forthcoming with that info.

            That the police won’t be doing anything about it says loads about this guy’s real involvement in what led up to the fight.

          • HabFab says:

            Chuck, see my post below this one.

          • nick says:

            Chuck – All very good points. That said, this individual must have done something pretty awful in order for police to turn a blind eye to someone who got beat up by several individuals.

          • Sap Anderson says:

            I heard (and obviously take this with a grain of salt because it’s hearsay) that it had to do with some racial slurs being thrown PK’s direction… in which case I say he got out of that one pretty nicely

      • HabFab says:

        According to another patron close by, “the guy who got all bloody throw a beer in someone’s face to start the brawl”!

    • Habsolutely says:

      he looks like a troglodyte Bruins fan.

      • Psycho29 says:

        I had posted on an earlier thread that a caller to Melnick’s show said he was sitting a couple of rows behind these guys, and they were yelling racist comments at PK.
        Funny that this guy didn’t mention that part……

    • rdiddy says:

      Maybe they were fighting over his nice gold chain…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Kinda sad when the fans in the stands are tougher than the players on the bench…

      I’m surprised Pierre Gauthier didn’t run down to the bench and cover everyone’s eyes.

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      Having seen the video a few times, I gotta admit the one coward who was kicking Stang in the face while the other guy was holding him should be charged – that was just cheap, no matter what perspective you look at it from.

    • Timo says:

      Funny how bruins fans talk about unfair when they are on a receiving end of someone’s fist (or foot).

    • The Dude says:

      I’d like to apologies to Mr Slang for the cowardly criminal actions of that gang of thugs !”who were caught on video” And any one whom condones a gang attack whilst complaining of the Boston Bruins hockey style is a brain dead douche bag,plain and simple!That mans children or the children of others had too witness this! Fu@king Hero’s who are ZERO’S…..

      • and id like to negate your apology as not only do you not know what happened, you dont know those involved, they were not a gang and they were reacting to more than just taunts

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          I agree.

        • The Dude says:

          You can’t speak for me and what I’ve posted is a done deal….it’s just like video clip viewing, once you see it …it is what it is!Taunts like “Carey sucks!”are a sociopaths way of condoning attacking others…. They’re just words and a better solution was to get the Bell staff,eh! And if a punch was thrown by one Bruin fan,there was 20 thousand C.H. fans whom could of restrained the one till staff arrived . It’s very lucky some one did not get very badly injured because with the evidence at hand there would have been a life changing event for all involved !

    • nick says:

      Unfortunately I’m not overly surprised.
      I’ve been spit on and had beer poored on me for wearing a AK46 jersey 2-3 seasons ago during the playoffs… and that was in the red seats by MTL fans (I know this because they were wearing MTL jerseys).

      There are alot of great CH fans out there, but there are alot jackasses.

  17. Captain aHab says:

    The stat I’d like to see is Gomez’ time of possession in Hamilton. And I’d be looking for a LARGE sample size to ensure the stat would be meaningful. Like, 2 seasons’ worth.

  18. Timo says:

    Here is what me wondeirng… why does JM, among all other idiotic things that he does, continues to put Max Pac in a shootout lineup. Has he ever scored? That dude got no moves and like all of our other “top” six he can’t hit a net worth a damn.

    I honestly think that Moen would have more success in a shootout than Cammilleri, Pac, Gionta (one goal our of how many?), etc.

    My shootout lineup – Moen, Subban, Price (can goalies shoot?)

    • Captain aHab says:

      They could try Pleks and have him slap the puck as soon as he crosses the blue line…kinda reminiscent of him playing the point on the PP. The goalie wouldn’t have a chance.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Pacioretty is 2/5 career, or 40%, perfectly respectable numbers for a shooter. He has a heavy shot that goes top-corner when he gets all of it.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Jordio-oh says:

      Through all the status-quo nonsense you put forth, I will agree with one point and say that Patches wouldn’t be my choice for a shootout option either.

      Having said that, Moen having more success than Cammy or Gionta is ridiculous, even by your standards.

      I suppose if I were as perpetually envious with how much money the players make as you are, I’d make outrageous claims about their abilities too.

    • likehoy says:

      I don’t know if you’re purposely an a**hole just to elicit reaction from people, and I don’t know why the a**holes on HIO get more reaction from people sometimes than a good post.

      FYI – Gionta scores at around a 40% rate… 19 for 47, and as seriousfan09 mentioned, pacioretty is 2 for 5.

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

      • Bripro says:

        Is there a reason why you have to use such colourful metaphors to talk about people?
        Not everyone on this site views things from the wrong end.
        And for others, like Timo, you have to take with a grain of humour.

        • likehoy says:

          cause the internet is for trolls so I’m wondering if he’s really a troll or if he’s serious. I can’t tell with Timo. So I throw out a litmus test. Trolls will respond to personal attacks with even more trollololol. Arses will fight back.

          – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

          • G-Man says:

            Timo is the HIO version of a snark. He loves the logo. He hates all management after even a close game that the Habs don’t win and, since last night, even after a win. He’s been the same way for over 3 years now, the slime!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      There are some valid criticisms, but this is just silly.

      MaxPac is far and away our top goal scorer this year. It isn’t unreasonable to put him in the shootout. Gionta and Cammy are our top snipers over the last two years – again not unreasonable.

    • habsfan0 says:

      What about JM? Is a coach allowed to lace em up and shoot? The way I see it, JM would lull the opposing goalie to sleep and he’d score.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Was that the JM who won the last game, and won by a shootout?

  19. Danno says:

    Is it true Gomez did not show up (for practice) and is there an update on his injury?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  20. HabFanSince72 says:

    rds has news to gladden all our hearts.

    Gomez not in training today, but both Andrei’s are.

  21. punkster says:

    Had to check for the Habs stats on things like giveaways, takeaways, faceoffs, etc. after all the Gomez comments today.

    I’m confused.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Chris says:

      Be careful with giveaway/takeaway stats. Those are almost useless (edited…useful didn’t make much sense!) because of how inconsistently they are assessed. Some arenas (including Montreal) are VERY liberal at assessing giveaways on players while others (such as Phoenix) have historically been very miserly at assessing giveaways.

      • Captain aHab says:

        I’m gonna take a guess and toss out there that wins probably correlate pretty strongly to the number of times teams score more than the opposition. I think I may be on to something here.

        They’ll call it the aHab Stat.

      • punkster says:

        Fair enough. They’ve played 12 at home, 10 on the road. Unless all arenas are as bad at this as Montreal I would assume the counts even out somehow? Or are stats meaningless beyond G, A and GAA, Sv%. Every other stat there may be considered subjective and therefore meaningless? Just asking.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Chris says:

          Dave, the only stats that are really questionable are the giveaways/takeaways. Everything else I am fine with.

          For example, consider that on home ice, Montreal has 144 giveaways in 12 home games but only 68 in their 10 away games. I think you will sometimes see a team play a little tighter on home ice, but that is ridiculous. Edmonton last year was a stark example of how nonsensical that statistic is; they were assessed 715 giveaways on home ice, far and away the worst total in the league, but only 257 on the road, good for 8th best in the league. Something doesn’t make sense there.

          Edmonton, Los Angeles, Montreal, Toronto, Calgary and San Jose are all very tough arenas to play in when it comes to giveaways. The scorers hand them out like crazy. Columbus, Phoenix, St. Louis, Madison Square Garden in New York and Florida all have very kind scorers when it comes to handing out giveaways.

          • punkster says:

            Oh, I agree that giveaways and takeaways are suspect but not so sure if they are the only ones. TOI for example may be accurate but provides no indication of how much effort goes into that time. A floater can take up tons of TOI but work less than a guy with half the TOI (possibly called The Gomez Float Factor™ around here). We usually accept TOI as an indicator of a player who is working hard, is trusted and can handle long minutes but is it universally true? Look at Gomez TOI per game this season and tell me why only the 4th liners have less yet people scream about the TOI he gets?

            I was going to get into other stats (Missed Shots stats, are they accurate and do they include deflections?) but enough for now. The turkey is in the oven and I have to get the spuds going 😉

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Jordio-oh says:

        This sort of thing happens in other arenas too.

        Dallas has always been really liberal with their hit count, and montreal follows similar trends with shotblocking.

        • Chris says:

          You certainly do have to take the shot blocking and hit numbers with a grain of salt, but if you look at the team totals at home and on the road, you usually don’t see a huge spread.

          For example, Montreal last year had 688 blocked shots at home, only 584 on the road. That is an 18% difference, and one that you can at least partially understand by a match-up coach like Martin getting the defencemen he wants on the ice against the other team’s big guns.

          That being said, they were 3rd at home and only 17th on the road so it is likely that the Montreal scorer benefits the team’s players when it comes to blocked shots, which might explain why we so frequently see Habs defencemen amongst the league leaders in that statistic.

          But the giveaway stat sees the Habs giving the puck up about 76% more on home ice, which is puzzling as you would expect the team to similarly benefit from matchups the way we see with blocked shots.

  22. samTHEman says:

    Someone please enlighten me what this Darche-PK incident people are talking about?

    • Captain aHab says:

      They were breaking out of their own end and Darche was waiting for a pass from Subban who kept the puck too long and the forwards were covered by the time he passed. Darche gave him an earful on the bench.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Darche….the guy who can’t skate lately and is always behind plays or offside? Maybe he should take his own advice

        • G-Man says:

          Maybe PK should pass the puck right away instead of his constant hesitating.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Like when Nokalainen speeds across the blueline CONSTANTLY while Darche just watches without passing? That Darche?

            Pardon me but I liked Darche last year, this year he’s a passenger

      • SmartDog says:

        This kind of thing happens all the time. People in position want the puck.

        Interesting coming from Darche though. I wonder if PK said “yeah, and what are you gonna do with it – score? LOL”

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Propwash says:

        I wonder if there is a 4 page article on the incident in the Journal de Montreal

        Being negative has its advantages.
        You’re never disappointed.

      • GomezHair says:

        Do you remember at what time in what period this occurred? I have the game PVR’d and I’d like to go check it out. For instance, you can watch Gomez get injured with 4:15 left in the second period as he gives the puck away in the Carolina zone when he falls backwards.

        end transmission.

  23. mdp2011 says:

    NY Islanders have placed Blake Comeau on waivers, he has a one year deal at 2.5$. He has no points this year in 16 games, but he did have 24 goals last year and 17 the year before, and is only 25 yrs old. Is he worth the risk?

    • Chuck says:

      What does it say about him when the Islanders, of all teams, put him on waivers?

    • db says:

      If we have the contract spot and there are no other takers, I don’t see why not. Is he more of the same? Does he have any grit?

      • mdp2011 says:

        not sure of his grit, don’t watch too many Islander games, but I just remember him being listed as one of those can’t miss prospects a few years ago.

      • lucabrasimtl says:

        The Islanders have made some questionable decisions as of late, like playing an AHL goalie against the Penguins, and constantly sitting out some of their top players, like Okposo. He would be a good acquisition, if you could get rid of Gomez. HThe Islanders may be trying to free up some cap space for when they eventually trade away a goalie.

    • G-Man says:

      Right hand shot to replace Darche perhaps?

    • 24moreCups says:

      This what it says about him on Hockeysfuture,

      “A multi-dimensional player, Comeau is a very smart puckhandler with strong offensive instincts. He combines strong skating, an accurate wrist shot, and a knack for protecting the puck from attackers. Comeau is very good making drives into the offensive zone with the puck on the end of his stick, looking for opportunities to pass or shoot. Plays a gritty game down low, and battles well along the boards and displays excellent spade work in the corners. Good work ethic and awareness on the ice allows for Comeau to play a good defensive game as well, which led to his being used on the penalty kill by Rockets head coach Marc Habscheid on a semi-regular basis. While Comeau is a strong offensive player, he seems to lack that extra gear that some other high-end players do, but even still, Comeau can contribute in many ways on the ice, not just on the scoresheet.”

      I don’t really know much about him, but it might be worth it he’s still pretty young and maybe a change of scene would work out well for him but who knows.

  24. mjames says:

    Not sure if I am being swayed by the pro-Emilen gang but I think this guy is getting better and better each game. He could turn out to be one of our better Dmen in the future. He seems to be playing with more confidence. Sure he makes some mistakes but watch any player and you will see mistakes. He made some very nice crisp passes to exit his zone last night. I am also not too bothered by Weber, St Denis and Diaz. I think with a little more time we might be better off in the back end than we thought. I would not be bothered it we traded Gill and Spacek.


    • mdp2011 says:

      Emelin needs to stop going for the big hit all the time, he takes himself out of the play a lot leading to odd man rushes, similar to what P.K. used to do a lot last year. If he can learn to do that, he will be a good solid Dman.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t know, I think that sometimes it’s worth it, to lay down the intimidation factor. Perhaps he’s out of position on the play, but it’s certain that the player he levels won’t be trying to squeeze by him the next time.

        Look at the Bruins, Emelin laid down some pretty heavy hits on them, and they stopped dumping the puck into his corner.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • db says:

      I think Emelin will blossom even more when Markov is back and he can communicate with someone on the ice. Right now, I give him tons of credit… his head is spinning every which way. It’s not the same understanding the game/your teammates when you barely speak the language. He’s learning on all fronts and still playing with the big boys (and leading in hits on several nights!)

      • G-Man says:

        Why does everyone assume Markov will be his D partner? THE SYSTEM™ will not make a rookie Markov’s partner, regardless of language. Does everyone around here think that Markov isn’t talking to him every day?

    • Oombaca says:

      Maybe we can offer a package of Spacek and Gomez and actually not get laughed off the phone by every GM in the league?

  25. wall2bay says:

    Here’s a clip of Lucic meeting his match. My one and only favorite clip of the Laffs. Notice him running for cover behind the linesman!

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

    • Higman says:

      -hard to cheer for a leaf, even when he’s pounding a bruin
      -Lucic takes his licks and stays in there – gotta wonder if he’s too stupid to pull out sooner
      -I like the uppercut Orr lands on Lucic who looks lost and doesn’t know what to do after Orr barely bats an eye after taking Lucic’s best punches

  26. SmartDog says:

    I love how the Corsi and other stats are used to tell us all we don’t know what we’re seeing when we watch hockey, and yet when you make any comment about what the Corsi is or isn’t saying you just don’t understand statistics.

    How about this – with the Corsi, players that play east-west eat up more puck time, sure – well that’s Gomez all over. And with the Corsi, you get credit for actually MISSING the net. Well that’s him all over too.

    What kills me is that puck possession is supposed to be MORE MEANINGFUL than points, more meaningful than goal differential. This is not why the Corsi measure was created. And it’s being used in this forum in a way that doesn’t reflect why it was invented.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • punkster says:

      Many inventions end up being used for different purposes than originally intended. I looked it up. It’s on the interwebby thingy place.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Mattyleg says:

        Pens, for instance.
        I read the other day, while scratching my butt with a Bic that I’d found somewhere, that they’re used for writing things.
        Who’d’a thunk, eh?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Captain aHab says:

      Pretty sure I remember seeing that Time of Possession in football doesn’t correlate all that well to wins anyway. And the Corsi stat doesn’t tell you anything about the quality of the shots. If you keep shooting from crazy angles, you won’t score much.

      Every year in football, there are teams that do fine between the 20 yard markers but who cannot score from the Red Zone. They’ll keep the ball all day but break apart once near Paydirt. Hockey teams who produce a ton of low quality shots are like football teams who try to score through the air from the 35. Possible, but they might be better to work the ball on the ground once in a while to get closer, much like shooters need to work to the dirty areas to score goals.

      • SmartDog says:

        Good point. Next time they have a ceremony and hang up a banner for puck possession time, let me know!

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • SmartDog says:

        Here’s a stat I’d like to see.

        Given that Gomez’s puck possession time is so great, yet we seem to score less when he’s on the ice, how about a stat the expresses goals per minute for and against with and without Gomez on the ice. You could run a multifactor analysis of variance to see whether it’s different if he’s coming off a game where he apologized for sucking or not.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Just to continue your point, I think, from the deep stats article. I can see how having puck possession for 58% of the time Gomez is on the ice could be beneficial but he still manages a -3 +/-. Therefore we must conclude that something is going wrong in the other 42% of the time. Though the Habs are in possession for that 58%, goals are not being scored. I think an interesting stat would be a ratio of how often a team scores per time in possession of the puck. Recipically, how often they get scored on when they give it up. What’s the use of controlling the puck if you don’t score, and as soon as you give it up, you are getting scored on? Perhaps too much energy on a 45 sec. shift is spent playing keep-away so that there is not enough gas left to back-check and defend without the puck?
      Perhaps I just have had too much coffee…

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I think advanced statistics have their place in helping to analyze games and players, but I believe it must be melded with direct observation of the games. Take the stats, take the game notes and see where things really come together.

      QualComp I find has been a good tool, take the quality of a player’s opposition over time and see if they’re turning it up against 1st, 2nd or 3rd-line opponents. QualComp pretty much explains why Ville Leino is not living up to his contract in Buffalo. He went from an easy assignment in Philidelphia with top linemates to hard assignments with lesser talent.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • G-Man says:

      If giveaways and takeaways are so subjective, how can we trust TOI and puck possession? Hockey isn’t baseball, but the math lovers go nuts for anything statistical. There’s only a few things that matter in hockey and that’s the score, the SCORE and THE SCORE. There, I feel better now. I wonder if there’s a bleeping stat for that, too?

  27. punkster says:

    Totally depressing loss last night. Complete collapse.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  28. Chris says:

    Wow…I am sure that nobody will ever run Miller again. Lucic now knows that his actions won’t be tolerated.

    Fighting in sports is such a joke. There is simply no need for it, and with all that we now know about brain injuries, the pointlessness of fighting transcends into sheer stupidity.

    If people seriously want to clean up the game, they need a league discipline system that has some power and isn’t solely in the hands of one individual.

    A committee of three or five former players or coaches might be a good start. And not choosing individuals with similar philosophies when it comes to the game of hockey might be a nice start. Brian Burke’s love of “truculence” is well known. Colin Campbell was a rough-and-tumble defender, racking up 1292 penalty minutes in 636 games. Brendan Shanahan was a great offensive player, but he was also a fiery personality who didn’t mind being a rough and even dirty player himself when he felt like it. For some reason, we’ve had essentially the same philosophy in charge of league discipline for the past three decades.

    Why not invite a couple of former Lady Byng Trophy winners into the panel? Why not ask at least one former goalie? Make sure that at least one of the former players came from one of the European leagues. You could easily do this type of thing via teleconference.

    At that point, it becomes relatively simple…if a majority of the 5 people say suspension, the player is suspended. You then settle on a length and off the player goes. Such a set-up would minimize accusations of bias and could potentially allow for more serious punishments to be meted out.

    Until then, we get to see more pointless “boys will be boys” moments until somebody who isn’t simply a player in a very minor league (Derek Sanderson) dies and then we can all stand up and ask how such a thing could have happened.

    • Captain aHab says:

      This is my view as well…if he got suspended, that would serve as far more of a deterrent than a fistfight. But here’s the problem: even if Shanny had suspended him and made him a first time offender, do you really believe that he would come down on him hard if he did something stupid just before the playoffs?

      Here’s the thing: the NHLPA doesn’t say boo about these issues so they seem to be OK with it. It’s not going to matter who you put there player-wise as they will all be getting the note that player suspensions are an absolute last resort. It blows my mind but it really seems to me that players prefer brain damage to suspensions. As far as I’m concerned, if the NHLPA doesn’t want to protect its own members, then screw em. Allow players to cross-check one another in the face for all I care. The league wants MMA on skates and the players seem happy to give it to them.

      • Chris says:

        I think that is why you have to use a panel of retired players and/or coaches. Like you say, currently players are too entrenched in the union to feel comfortable allowing their peers to get severely punished for their transgressions.

        And I think that such a body would have to be arms length from the league’s Board of Governors. We are seeing exactly the peril of having a league executive (Shanahan) beholden to a group of individuals with a vested interest in seeing minimal suspensions.

        I’m not overly optimistic that such changes will come anytime soon. Like any other entity, it takes a long time to overcome inertia in an organization. I do think that such a panel would be a smart move on the NHL, as it would avoid a P.R. nightmare associated with accusations of bias leveled at senior league executives and/or officials.

    • adamkennelly says:

      adults playing a game for a lot of money which in the end is really all about entertainment- in hockey a player is much more likely to get hurt by the puck than in a fight… there is plenty of good hockey for you to go watch that doesn’t involve any fighting but in this professional version it is allowed – as it should be…

      • Captain aHab says:

        Why “should” it be allowed? Is it allowed in football?

      • Chris says:

        Yes, but the puck is essential to the sport.

        Fighting contributes little, and is certainly not necessary to the sport. It is simply there because nobody ever slapped sufficiently high penalties on it.

        We assess a five minute major penalty to every fight, but it remains the only major penalty that does not carry with it an automatic game misconduct.

        I realize that a significant number of fans enjoy fighting in hockey. I suspect it isn’t going to be removed from the game until a player is actually killed on the ice.

        The likelihood of it happening is low, but we know that it can and has happened in other leagues. All it takes is one guy to fall the wrong way, smack his skull on the ice, and the conversation becomes much different.

        I would love it if we could be proactive about avoiding a perfectly avoidable death on the ice. But I’m resigned to the idea that some people seem to need to see an actual death before they see the perils of that particular nonsense.

  29. Hobie Hansen says:

    There’s a few people posting down below that the Bruins pick their spots and certain players like Lucic go after smaller players.

    Ok, as much as I hate Lucic and Chara and pretty much every Bruin – there is not one team in the NHL that they will back down from.

    Lucic alone is a beast – 6’4′ 230lbs. Are there a few guys that will get the decision against him in a scrap, maybe…

    But give me a break, Lucic has no fear in standing in there with anyone.

    It’s great that you’re a die-hard Habs fan and loyal to you’re team, but don’t kid yourselves. Boson has won 10-straight games and the Stanley Cup by being the toughest team on the block by a long shot.

    Responding by beating up every player in the league that injures one of their players isn’t always possible. So keeping record of what happened when Savard was hit and when Rome smoked Horton is just stupid.

    Boston mixes the perfect formula of skill, toughness and goaltending, no question.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Lucic has no fear in standing in there with anyone

      …apart from the time he spent most of a game falling over himself skating away from Nice Guy Laraque, right?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        But But But, that was because the coach told him not to fight Laraque!!
        Lucic is so discplined you know.

        Randy for HC!

      • J_P says:

        Honestly, why the heck would lucic fight laraque? Obviously Lucic knows hes going to get his butt handed to him. No one in this place is going to take on someone who they know will destroy them. Not to mention that laraque plays 5 minutes a game, where lucic plays over 15 minutes per game, and is a key offensive player for the bruins. If I was a coach, I’d lose my head if Lucic took himself off the ice for 5 minutes, and got beat down by the other teams tough guy who doesnt even play.

        • Mattyleg says:

          …so is he a tough guy or not?
          Or, as I’ve said many times, just a cheap-shot artist who goes after people he knows he can beat?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • J_P says:

            No, he’s a power forward, and a very good one at that.

            He would be dumb to fight a Cam Janssen or George Parros. Like i said, not only would he get killed, he would be off the ice for 5 minutes, and hes far more valuable to his team than Janssen or Parros.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Don’t give me that – why didn’t Laraque hit him? You don’t ask, you swing. The “code” doesn’t exist. If a player wants to fight he will get in your face and make it known without caring whether you want to join. Laraque NEVER did this. He’d send you a postcard and politely ask over tea.

        If I were Lucic I wouldn’t fight that idiot 4th line clown either.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Actually it is worth noting because it speaks to the supposed ‘tough guy’ nature of Lucic. He boldly states “we would have taken care of business” in regards to the Miller hit when it was him on the ice for those two hits on Savard and Horton. He did nothing then and has done nothing since.

      What he has done in the last two years is a number of bullying acts against non-fighters in an effort to make himself appear tough.

      If the Habs are a pack of gutless, hopeless cases for letting Chara do what he did to Pacioretty (as so many suggest, or even infer they could have the intimidated Chara out of it) how are the Bruins not three times as gutless and 3x less intimidating for what happened to Bergeron, Savard and Horton without reprecussion? I will raise this point until I see a damn good answer for it.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • J_P says:

        Anyone who says the habs are gutless for not confronting Chara are just ridiculous. Not one player on this team can dance with Chara, or do anything to Chara that would deterr him from making that kind of hit in the future. Frankly, I dont think Chara would make that kind of hit again because he is a human being, and I am sure he felt devastated after for almost killing another player. At least, id like to believe he did, as a naive as that may sound.

        It was the leagues job to send the message to chara and lucic, and they dropped the ball on both counts.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’m not going back and dissecting every incident that has happened over the years. all I’m saying is right now the Bruins are big, mean and the best club in the NHL because of it.

        The Habs aren’t gutless for not going after Chara, I would never say that.

        Gauthier would be very hard pressed to find a guy capable of fighting Chara but he had plenty of opportunity to make this team tougher and did nothing. Thats what bugs me.

        If Lucic ran Price like he did Miller, Lucic would beat the crap out of Moen the next game, skate off the ice laughing and charge up the Bruins even more. The Bruins are using scenarios like that and building on them and winning a lot of games as a result.

    • lucabrasimtl says:

      well said. Some people let passion guide them a little to much, and dont see the reality of it sometimes. The Bruins are the best rounded team right now, and any Hab fan would be smart to want or have any of their players. Their 4th line is as effective as probably the most teams 3rd lines, if not better. The problem is most people on here are Habs fans and not Hockey fans.

  30. J_P says:

    Nice to see a real character win by the boys last night. Carey didnt have his strongest game, but they battled for their goaltender and stole the 2 points. Nice to see Carey get a win in the shootout, should be a good confidence booster for shootouts moving forward.

    • G-Man says:

      2 of the 3 shots missed the target- 1 wide and 1 off the post. The last barely glanced off his shoulder as he was about to fall into a sitting position. He has loads of work to do on the shoot-out, which is odd because he was so good at them.
      Glad to see the Habs win one for him for a change.

      • J_P says:

        Hey man, a win is a win. Sometimes all it takes is a couple of lucky bounces going your way to get the confidence going.

        Also, I find that if the goalie is covering the net well, it requires the shooters to take a perfect shot, increasing the likelihood of missing the target or hitting the post.

  31. JoeC says:

    As much as i HATE gomez and what hes doing to this team, i think we need to see him with a coach that knows how to deal with him, NOT JM who I blame for the production issues with every single player on this team. I think JM does not use Cole properly, lets Gomez have free reign game in and game out, PK is being used WRONG including having less PP time them Weber, whos becomign worse and worse every game (missed the puck 3 time sin what 1 min of icetime on 1 PP?)

    I think we should even give Gomez a 10 game trail if PG is smart and gets rid of JM and gets a new coach.

  32. JoeC says:

    RE…Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

    Does Pierre hate Emelin? I mean hes been the best defeceman IMHO the last 2 games, yet he rated him 0.1 better last nigh then Gill? GILL WAS HORRIBLE last night.

    No love for Emelin

  33. jimmy shaker says:

    Kudos to Price for getting the bonus point last night but please for the love of God can JM or groulx please tell carey that he is aloud to leave the blue paint or at least be on the edge of it when the opposing team is shooting. Looked pretty shaky in the ot on jokinen’s shot off the post (Again deep in the blue paint) and in the shootout, but at the end of the day he got the extra point! Thank you goal posts!


    • Danno says:

      I lost count how many posts were hit by both teams in that crazy game. Most of the goals scored weren’t exactly classics either.


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • JoeC says:

      He did have Rollie the Goalie preaching to him for how many years so stay deep in the net since hes a big body? just look at how good Rollie is doing now destroying Louuuuuuuuuu,

      Worst Goalie coach in the league.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      I disagree. On the LaRose shootout attempt, Price was about 6 feet out from the blue ice as LaRose was bearing down.

      It was Skinner’s shot that hit the post, I believe Price got a peice of Jokinen’s.

      Also, after watching the replay, Price is out 3-4 feet from the blue ice as Jokinen comes flying in. Whenever a player comes in with that much speed, its a natural instinct for the goalie to start out far to challenge and then recede back towards the net. Ward did the same thing.

    • avatar_58 says:

      People always bring up posts. If Carey wasn’t where he was – the player would not have aimed for that spot hitting the post. Goalies CAUSE post hits, it’s not just “oh hey thank you god!” luck. The less space a goalie gives you the better chance you have of wiffing and hitting the post.

  34. mrhabby says:

    198 of 256 teams in a playoff spot at this time of the season over the past 16 years have made the playoffs or 77.3 %. Meaning leafs are in playoffs and the habs are golfing….today is called bleak thursday for NHL teams based on this stat. ….re: TORONTO STAR.
    interesting for what its worth.

  35. sprague cleghorn says:

    On NBC’s Macy Parade coverage, while reading the inane chatter that goes with each float (in this case one designed to hype tomorrow’s Boston-Detroit game on the same network) Matt Lauer just refered to the “Stanley Cup Champion Boston Brewers”. Heh-heh.

    ‘ow could we forget dat?

  36. ponyboy says:

    Rumor had it that Pearn was scouting the Wash-Winnipeg game last night. Food for thought: Jeff Schultz for Weber, would you do it?

  37. Lafrich says:

    I know you will all think I am a complete wanker, but:

    It is not “should of”, “could of”, “would of”. It is “should HAVE”, “could HAVE”, etc…

    Definitely is spelled defin-I-tely. NOT defin-A-tely.

    So many more, but these two seem to be in so many posts. I love reading your opinions, but the point often falls on deaf ears when the grammar is poor.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Should of” was good enough for F Scott Fitzgerald.

      It’s good enough for me.

    • shiram says:

      You have to understand that many are not native English speaker, and so the grammar and spelling in English is not always perfect.
      I am guilty of many grammatical and spelling errors, but I hope the message is more important than the spelling…

      Randy for HC!

    • slychard says:

      I should hav bin moore awair of my grammer. Thanks fore pointing dis out to us. Wil definately be using that check spell ting…amagig.

      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • Lafrich says:

      My apologies to the non-anglophones. Actually, my apologies to everyone. Now I feel bad for writing this. Wish I could take it back…Ummmm…OK…Hmmm….Gomez sucks?

      • slychard says:

        That’s better…Fall in line!

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • Mattyleg says:

        No apologies necessary!
        I agree wholeheartedly with you, Lafrich.
        For some reason, it’s taboo to correct other people’s grammar. I don’t know why, but it’s considered rude.
        If people want to be properly understood, they should use proper grammar and spelling.
        There’s a big difference between ‘affect’ and ‘effect’ for instance.
        And how about the Oxford comma?
        “We ate turkey, fish, and ice cream” instead of “We ate turkey, fish and ice cream” (which mixes fish with ice cream: disgusting).
        People get all het up when you correct their grammar, but it’s good to do every now and then.

        Oh, and Fitzgerald was using that term to denote people who were less educated.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Chris says:

          Pretty much all of us make grammar mistakes frequently.

          The original poster misused the colon.

          In your case, you didn’t precede “for instance” with a comma.


          • Mattyleg says:

            I believe the colon was used correctly, but you are right, I did forget the comma before ‘for instance’.
            No biggie, right?

            (hugs self, rocks back and forth muttering through clenched teeth, “stupid, so stupid…”)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Chris says:

            I should have written “frequent grammar mistakes.” That just adds more fuel to the fire. 🙂

        • G-Man says:

          Ignorence Rulz!!

        • JF says:

          Here are a couple more:

          A player doesn’t compliment another player (i.e, pay him compliments); he complements him (i.e., completes him).

          You don’t take less penalties; you take fewer penalties. “Less” is for quantities that can’t be counted: less grit, less passion.

          • Chris says:

            Excellent examples!

            I know I am occasionaly guilty on the compliment/complement abuse. My fingers occasionally run away from my brain.

            My personal pet peeves when it comes to grammar are when people use “in order to”, instead of simply “to”, and the use of the word “which” when “that” would be more correct.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yep, add to that the American tendency to use words like ‘utilize’ instead of ‘use’ because it sounds more efficient (despite having two more syllables), and ‘individuals’ instead of ‘people’.

            Oh, and while we’re on it, the conditional sentence confusion of using two ‘woulds’: “If I would’ve known, I would’ve done something,” instead of “If I had known, I would’ve done something.”
            Ahhh, delicious grammar…

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          Oxford Comma is a great tune by Vampire Weekend! (I checked the sentence 5 times for grammatical errors)

  38. kempie says:

    Watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving day parade and Matt Lauer tells me “don’t miss the excitement tomorrow when the Detroit Red Wings visit the Stanley Cup Champion Boston Brewers”. Sad.

    And in other “news”, apparently JM left his famous notebook unattended just long enough for reporters to snap a photo of what the head coach is so busy scribbling in his pages. This explains a lot:

  39. The Dude says:

    Nice comeback win for the good guy’s but…. It was Carolina! And I couldn’t believe the size difference between the two teams. In a 7 game series a team like Carolina might win or lose but the Habs would be worn out. And then the Lucic clip and I think,hum,my teams a joke really!
    The whole build of this team is wrong ,it’s so off quilter and was made to trade! And trade we must because we have too beat the mark in the Sand that Boston has drawn .A couple of Moen and Lucic type players “fight and can play!” and a couple more Emelin’s ” who can fight!”And a coach and G.M. who aren’t politically correct and a scouting dept whom hate short people and we’ll be fine.

    • J_P says:

      The team is built fine, its just not built for JM’s coaching style. Like I said about the boston game, we played them to timidly to start off. Both teams were playing defense first, and looking to capitalize on counterattack opportunities. It was an absolute exercise in futility. Habs should have used their speed and forecheck, and attacked boston from the very beginning. I watching on NESN, and even the homer boston announcers were questioning why the habs werent attacking the bruins more aggressively (they were actually not very homer-esque that game, and even had the decency to say that Tim thomas and Carey Price are the two best goaltenders in the league).

      On paper, this team is solid, the system just doesnt compliment the type of talent we have.

    • slychard says:

      They mentioned that on RDS the day after his firing. Apparently he had the option to take the money of his newly signed contract extension and run, or take the scout gig. Guess he was too classy to run. Good for him.

      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • avatar_58 says:

      I bet this gets zero coverage on TSN, they already had fun blowing the ‘firing’ out of proportion

  40. adamkennelly says:

    x-mtler living in the states – I gotta give props to the Hurricane commentators on FSN…bang up job – knowledgeable, crisp and almost zero homerism – noticed it before and noticed it again last night – proves you don’t have to be an A-hole like the guys in Pit or Bost to call games on the regional networks in the US.

  41. Great work Ian, very busy right now. Tons of orders to fill, and not enough time lol, but that’s a good thing.

    I have a great idea for next year’s Summit.

    In a nut shell (a big shell), I am going to poll the group here and find out how many members have kids, and then we are all going to Brossard to play a game of hockey.

    It will be in the morning of the Hall of fame tour.

    Most likely it will be around 100-150 to play (TBC), and each member will go home with an autograph Canadiens 8×10.

    I am going to try and get some past Canadiens to play on each line. (or one per team, whatever I can get).

    For example, I am bringing Matthew (son, 11) next year.

    Line 1
    S. Oliver, M Oliver, LaFleur, Gerald, Patty.

    Maybe even have A Celebrity coach on each team.

    My 2012 Hockey Summit will not take away from your side, and in the end we’ll raise more money for the Children’s Hospital.

    I’ll have my corporation pay for the ice.

    The fee to play is high for most, but the idea is only to have three lines per team to maximize the fun and to raise money.

    I am going to start getting the autographs together between now and next November.

    Organizing a function like this is easy. I used to do it all the time in Winnipeg when the old Jets were around.

    It doesn’t matter the skill set. If a child/young player has the puck, no adult will be allowed to take it away, but at the same time make the kid work to get the goal, and the goalie can decide whether he/she (Linda) wants to stop the puck. No off sides, no icing, and I will ref/slash play on my line. I will blow down the play and give certain kids/ladies a penalty shots and other gimmicks.

    I will most likely be driving next year. On the flight, they almost emergency landed the plane again. My brain injury doesn’t like cabin pressure, makes the pacemaker kick in and scares flight staff.

    Talk to you later and again, Great Summit. Best Fans on the planet.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  42. Shane1313 says:

    The problem is, the way Lucic was talking afterwards shows he couldn’t care less. He’s never been told off so we’ll have to wait to see who gets hurt after Miller.

  43. RetroMikey says:

    Lucic is the total package.
    Can fight, play and has the hands to score goals.
    What a character guy, he could have hit Gaustad on the ice but backed off.
    I met Lucic at a Serbian wedding in BC several years ago and the guy is one of the nicest fellows around.
    We got no no one on this team who can deliver what Lucic does for the Bruins.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • slychard says:

      Ask his girlfriend how nice he is…
      COPS; We’re here on a domestic disturbance call.
      LUCIC; Don’t you know who I am?
      Nice indeed.

      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Character player? The measure of character is not hitting a man when he’s down? That’s called being something resembling a human being.

      As for non-character moments/acts of cowardice/bully moments: Running Miller with a forearm shiver (Players are to make every effort to AVOID contact with goaltenders, even outside of their creases as per the Rulebook). Standing around and doing nothing when Cooke hammered Savard and Rome took out Horton, than claiming this season his team “takes care of business.” Attempting to provoke fights with PK Subban and Benoit Pouliot at times last season. Throwing sucker punchs at Dominic Moore and Victor Hedman. And that’s just the last two years and I’m probably missing incidients.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • slychard says:

        Don’t know why SERIOUSFAN09 but every time I see your “handle” the Bond tune plays in my head… Why?

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • The Cat says:

      RDS play by play man Pierre Houde said Lucic off the ice was one of the nicest guys around.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    Just finished watching the Lucic scrap.

    You have to give Boston and Lucic some credit where credit is due; they’ve found the perfect tonic for winning hockey games by mixing great goaltending, a great blend of skill and toughness and never letting an opponent get off without a serious fight. They take pride in being the toughest team in town and it works.

    Boston can beat you on the scoreboard, in the trenches and between the pipes.

    With that being said, the Canadiens have proven when they’re operating like a finely tuned machine that they possess the ability to take Boston to their limit.

    Not a great game by Montreal and Price last night. That game could have gone either way, mainly because of the sloppiness of the Habs. Hopefully they tighten things up again before their weekend games or Philadelphia and Pittsburgh will lite them up like a Christmas tree.

  45. SeriousFan09 says:

    Thought about a new rule as long as fighting will be in the game:

    Any player who is standing and strikes an opponent in a fight, after the opponent can be determined to be ‘out’ by officials will recieve an automatic game misconduct.

    I know this gets dodgy with ‘determined to be out by officials’ but I think the refs, who are pretty familiar with fights and both of them watching can tell if a guy is down and a thug is trying to get cheap shots in.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • shiram says:

      But the NHL, the GM’s and the coaches for the most seem to love fighting, I don’t see them doing anything to discourage players from fighting, not any time soon.

      They posted the video of Lucic/Gaustad on the front page of, they glorify fighting.

      Randy for HC!

  46. slychard says:

    I watched the game live and had the same reaction as I have now. Perhaps you are on the verge of a syphillis induced madness like your avatar. ( Just kidding, I couldn’t resist ) You always have good posts in my opinion so let’s just agree to disagree on this one. Cheers! 😉

    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  47. Castor says:

    Man how I wish we had a Milan Lucic player with a Brian Gionta attitude.

  48. 24 Cups says:

    Just watched the Buffalo-Boston video that MB posted. Lucic clearly wins the fight that Gaustad initiated.

    It also appears that Buffalo lost out when they signed Leino instead of Fleischmann.

    • CERF says:

      Gaustad has the same mindset as Lucic when it comes to fighting, they both pick their opponents when they do decide to dance. Normally its a boy half their size or weight class

    • shiram says:

      Win, really? Yes he had the advantage, but it’s not like Gaustad was defeated.
      And how stupid and pointless is it to fight that guy, what, 2 weeks after he made his hit on Miller.
      I know they made a stink about the Sabres not standing up for Miller, but whats it do to fight Lucic now?
      Meh to it all.

      Randy for HC!

  49. HabFanSince72 says:

    How many real goons are left in the NHL?

    By goon I mean

    1. An enforcer who can fight anyone.
    2. A guy who can only fight other goons because no one else will go with him.
    3. A guy who would not be in the NHL if there was no fighting.

    Until recently there were probably 15 or so such players. George Laraque, Donald Brashear, Eric Goddard, Derek Boogaard. Those types of players.

    I count almost none. Parros in Anaheim. John Scott Chicago but no one is crazy enough to fight him.

    The few that had enforcer jobs last year are all gone: McIntyre (Edm), Crazy Trevor Gillies (Isles), Colton Orr (Tor).

  50. Ian Cobb says:

    Would someone put up the link please, It won’t come up for me.

    30 more pictures on the Summit album.
    These were taken by Bob, Sparky”s husband.
    I asked B.C. Surrey (Christopher) if he would put them up for me.
    He has done an outstanding job! Thanks Chris.

    He even made Boone look good!

    Montreal Canadiens We Are Fans Summit

    posted on Montreal Canadiens We Are Fans Summit’s Wall.

  51. forskis says:

    Double-post…Gomez’s absence was not the solution last night…yes, he had no shots on goal but he set up two guys who rang their shots off the post…he did his part in creating the opportunity…they were not cashed in.

    We need to stop looking at the easy, populist solutions whether it be about Gomez, the GM or the coach or any other individual player…or else we become politicians.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  52. DearyLeary says:

    The Habs get shortchanged on the Toronto Sports Network again, they dropped Eller’s shorthanded goal (which is one of the most dominant shorthanded shifts I’ve seen in a long time) to show 2 minutes of fights in the Boston/Buffalo game.

    Really? That’s your highlight package? Not another Seguin goal (who will pass Kessel sooner than later)? The only hockey they showed was a Pouliot shootout goal. Pathetic.

    As a sidenote: Is Lucic really going to be dissuaded from running a Buffalo goalie after he pumped Gaustad? Enforcement, this wild west theory of justice, is obsolete. More players will get hurt, and the injuries will continue to get worse, until we’re rid of this stupid code and start calling the rules like they’re written.

    Shanahan was served up a juicy one right down the middle of the plate and he whiffed on it. The Bruins must be suspension kryptonite.

  53. smiler2729 says:

    Carolina has fans?????

    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah

  54. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Good Mornin’ HI/Oers,

    Just a few thoughts to share with you on this fine Thursday morning.
    1) Happy Thanksgiving to our neighbours to the south. A lot of good folk down there – they are not all annoying like Jack Edwards.
    2) Nice come from behind win last night. Would call it the “statement game” of the year (like the NJ one a few years back, the comeback against NYR, etc…)
    3) I hope the Habs can win the next two games, put together a mini win streak. But I’ll be happy with 3 out of the 4 points.
    4) Watching the BOS/BUF highlights/lowlifes last night I came to the realization that while you may not like how the B’s conduct themselves on and off the ice; you got to give them credit for standing up for each other. They play and fight as a team.
    5) For those in the commentariat who want a big centre, top 3 draft choice, and majority of our defencemen to be over 6’00” – just have a look at Anaheim… is this still the recipe for success?

    Have a good one folks.
    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Watching the Boston Overrated Goons, the only conclusion I have come to is Montreal is the only team that knows how to play ’em and we freakin’ harsh their mellow and have been in their heads for decades.

      Play last spring’s Game 7 100 times and the Habs win 95 of ’em…

      I still think Luchicken refusing to fight BGL is the real ‘ruins.

      F Boston, F Julien, F moron hockey

      Jack Edwards sucks chowdah

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    Francois Gagnon on Lars Eller, Scott Gomez and Jacques Martin.

    (Spoiler: he agrees with us…)

    • DearyLeary says:

      He’s the second best center on the team with the potential to be the best.

      The Eller on the wing experiment needs to stop.

      • habsguy says:

        It’s not going to stop until JM stops filling out the line up card.
        Same with Emelin, who goes to the press box when we have a healthy D.
        Or the shoot out, ya I know we won one, but how many times does he trot out Cammi and Gio, why not give DD, Cole or PK a chance.
        Speaking of PK, where is he, does JM have such a tight rein on him that he’s afraid to to do anything except pass the puck.
        Gomer played 23 fewer seconds than Eller, but missed the entire 3rd plus the OT…

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        He’s both Sedins combined without JM on his back.

      • slychard says:

        I got miffed when I saw Cammy take the shot while Eller busted his ass to join the rush and was wide open. He easily could have scored, but nooooo, Cammy took that half @ss’ed shot. I’m getting tired of Cammy. Glad Eller got the netter soon after. Good on him.

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I think Cammy is right to take the shot in this situation. He has kind of a good one don’t you think?

          • slychard says:

            I beg to differ, Eller was wide open, had he passed the goalie would have had to have moved to his right giving the shooter a better chance, as it was the goalie simply stood his ground with all his angles covered. No, it was a bad play on Cammy’s part. Selfish in fact.

            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Well, you can see the replay on

            The Carolina d-man has the pass completely covered. Add to that that Cammy has the best shot on the team and Eller had at that time 10 lifetime NHL goals, and the decision to shoot makes sense.

          • Marcusman says:

            Eller was pretty open…..think back to the goal AK46 scored a few weeks back.. Eller was on a breakaway…in alone and passed…why? cause it was tap in goal. Cammy should of passed..

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