Therrien will stick with same lineup against Panthers

After escaping with a 4-3 shootout win over the Tampa Bay Lightning on Tuesday, the Canadiens practised Wednesday morning in Sunrise, Fla., in preparation for Thursday’s game against the Florida Panthers (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN 690 Radio).

Coach Michel Therrien announced at practice that there will be no changes to the lineup against the Panthers, who will start former Canadien Jose Theodore in goal.

“We came to win this hockey game and this is what we did,” Therrien said after the Canadiens snapped a three-game losing streak in Tampa. “We were almost perfect for 54 minutes. We opened the door for them on their first goal. I thought we had bad execution there. Then, they had a flukey goal on the second one. (Goaltender Carey Price) didn’t have much of a chance to stop it.

“Then there was a decision from the referee”  Therrien added. “We can’t do anything about that. This important thing is to learn from it. We came back from our last game (a 6-0 home loss to Toronto) and we have to build on what we did tonight.”

(Photo by Brian Blanco/The Associated Press) 

Habs squeak out 4-3 shootout win, by Pat Hickey

‘Almost perfect for 54 minutes’, by Pat Hickey

Lightning rally a building point in shootout loss, by The Tampa Bay Times

Lightning are the new Flying Frenchmen, by Stu Cowan

Emelin a bright spot for rebuilding Habs, by Stu Cowan

Panthers waste lead, lose in OT to Capitals, by Miami Herald

 

 

393 Comments

  1. LTHF says:

    I see where Therien is going with the same lineup as Tuesday because they won that game. I was at the game and they won because Tampa had more “no-shows” than the habs. Lecavalier was invisible. After leading 3-0 going into the third, they started the third by just dumping the puck out , many of them going for icing, after 5 minutes Therien called a timeout out but it didnt change a thing. They just sat back and let the lightening come at them until it was tied. The Habs dominated the O/T but couldnt beat the goalie. Without going into detail, I will list the players who stood out the most.
    1. Gallagher (hustled everytime out)
    2. Eller
    3. Diaz
    4. Desharnais
    5. Prust
    For the most part the “no-Shows”
    1. Armstrong
    2. Bourque
    3. Cole
    4. Gionta
    If they play the same way tonight, dont be surprised if we see another debacle like last Saturday. By the way in the third period Therien had that same bewildered look that Martin use to have.

  2. habs001 says:

    Gallagher,Prust,White and Galchenyuk only Hab forwards plus..Kaberle and Bouillon only plus d…

  3. nova scotia vees says:

    The refs and the league are against the Habs and have been for many years. 2/3rds of all officials are from Ontario..If they stripped down in a phone booth they would have a Leaf jersey under their Clarke Kent outfit. It goes way back, but we used to be so good that we could overcome the bias. Watch the number of times Habs are thrown out of the face-off. It cost us game 7 a few years ago against the Bruins. 15-5, including the key O.T. one that led to the goal. Leafs often lead the league in P.P’s and are near the bottom in S.H. situations. And this is a team that hasn’t made the play-offs in how long? How can 4 officials miss a too many men when it is a 4 on 3….We would have had a 2 man advantage. And the goals they have allowed against us(except Ott.)? The League is in the tank for Toronto..T.V. ratings buddy.

  4. Noted a bit of trade talk on here. Maybe a Habs deal that was one of the best long-term transactions in club history.

    http://www.letiretlebut.com/2013/02/today-in-habs-history-february-13th.html

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  5. The Jackal says:

    What does everyone think of moving DD or Eller to the wing and playin them with MaxPac or Cole? Seems like a simple solution. Then you have the Gallys and Max or Cole, the first line untouched, and a great fourth with Prust, Moen, Armstrong, White or Nokia.

  6. Mr. Biter says:

    Minutes played last night most (rounded off)
    Forwards Gio 22
    Plex 21
    Cole 18
    D-men
    Markov 26
    Diaz 24
    Least:Forwards
    Armstrong 10
    Moen 10
    Gally11
    Going to wear Markov out. Too many minutes every game.
    And for PK fans 18min.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  7. habs001 says:

    The Habs are 6-0 out of the division…..but 1-4-1 within the division..this record has to improve for any playoff chance…if the Habs would have won the 2 home games vs the Leafs they would be up on them by 7 points and a game in hand..

  8. Habtastic says:

    So, uh, when is Pacioretty not going to suck? What was all that sled pushing and buffalo eating for? I think Cole has now surpassed him at least in effort if not finish (and at least Cole has scored.).

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  9. Loonie says:

    HF17…..

    Andrei Kostitsyn for a 2nd round pick, 5th round pick and Blake Geoffrion – Kostitsyn was a pending free agent.

    Dustin Penner for a 1st round pick, 3rd round pick and Colton Teubert

    Olli Jokinen and a 3rd round pick for Matthew Lombardi, Brandon Prust and a 1st round pick

    Antoine Vermette for Pascale Leclaire and a 2nd round pick.

    Deadline deals never see the buying team pay below market value for the player. A 2nd round pick for Brian Gionta would be a homerun for the team acquiring him.

    • Habfan17 says:

      All that shows me is those teams over paid. Look how Kostitsyn worked out for Nashville..am where is he playing now! Just because teams gave foolishly before does not mean they will do it again, especially with the cap coming down next season and a few teams already in trouble with the cap.

      Habfan17

      • Loonie says:

        Teams have been overpaying for talent at the deadline for a very long time. It isn’t like they’re going to reinvent the wheel with a Brian Gionta acquisition.

        Sorry if you’re insulted, but any team that trades a player of Gionta’s caliber for a 2nd is getting into Garth Snow/Scott Howson territory.

        The market for twenty goal scorers who aren’t rentals starts at a first round pick. Given Gionta’s age and cap hit but in contrast his offensive ability, work ethic, leadership and experience you’re probably into the two high draft picks or a 1st and prospect territory minimum.

        No less than a first round pick.

        • Habfan17 says:

          If a GM wants to give the Habs all that, then I would say bye bye in a heart beat. I still say, this is not your typical trade deadline since teams do have to look at the lower cap next season.

          Why Gm’s would give what you believe he is worth is beyond reason. Just show them the trades you mentioned and they will change their minds in a hurry. None of those worked out!

          Habfan17

          • Loonie says:

            I don’t disagree that teams “should” learn the lesson from previous deals. But most cars still need gas and we may bitch and moan about the cost to fill the tank but we still pay the price.

          • ont fan says:

            I’m guessing there will be more teams closing in on a playoff spot and will be willing to overpay. Who is the next Nashville? They over paid twice just for one last shot before their free agent left.

    • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

      What really makes me nauseous about this list is the return we got for Cammalleri. Surely we could have gotten at *least* a 1st-round pick had we created a bidding war for him at the deadline. Instead we get Bourque, who has played well enough for us so far this season, but is older and clearly not going to help us become contenders in the medium run. That trade is an example of how NOT to rebuild.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Not quite Loonie:

      February 27, 2012 – Andrei Kostitsyn traded to Nashville Predators for a 2nd round pick (TBD) in 2013 and a 5th round pick (TBD) in 2013 which was previously acquired from Montreal (February 17, 2012)

  10. Sportfan says:

    Is the Tangradi trade the only trade thats happened recently?

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  11. HabFab says:

    HW’s report card on the Habs 1st Quarter…Defense & goal;
    http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=3006

  12. habs001 says:

    What the Habs need is a fusion of DD and Eller…DD really lacks size but his offensive thinking is steps ahead of Eller but because of his size his execution of plays gets stopped…Meanwhile Eller has many good points but as of now i have seen limited finishing abilities..he makes the wrong decision many times on scoring chances…

    • Loonie says:

      Not gonna cap his career goal potential at 18 today?

      Also, care to quantify how it is that Desharnais has better “offensive thinking”?

      Eller’s actually been praised repeatedly for going to the right areas with the puck.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        “Eller’s actually been praised repeatedly for going to the right areas with the puck.”

        I could praise you right now for being smart, but quoting me later won’t make for a strong argument. ; )

      • habs001 says:

        He may go to the right areas but has shown limited scoring touch and many times on great scoring chances he has made the wrong decision..DD has scored 244 goals from junior to now…Eller just has not experienced high offensive numbers in his carrer that he can use when scoring chances come up…On the topic of caping it does not mean a player cannot have a way above expectation year for example i believe most posters would say Plecks is a 20-25 goal a year scorer but he can have one year where he scores 35 but will not do it regularly..is that caping?..

        • Loonie says:

          I see what you’re doing now. If Eller has a good season it will be a fluke.

          You’ve said that Eller’s ceiling offensively is 18 goals….CEILING.

          Now you’re acknowledging that he could do better. Seems somebody’s worried #81 will prove him wrong.

          I’d like to hand you a torch and a glue gun and tell you to build me a coffee table out of clay. Then I’ll tell you that you don’t cut it as a carpenter.

          • habs001 says:

            With pending talent coming in the next 2-3 years and current young talent on the Habs if Eller becomes the player you think he can (25-30 goals)…The Habs will be a serious contender..I rather be proven wrong but i have my doubts on Eller

    • Habfan17 says:

      I think Eller’s decisions on scoring chances has more to do with the coaching than his own decision making. He has scored some pretty decent goals. I think he is worried about being the “complete” player he has asked to be.

      Habfan17

    • Danno says:

      Dars Desharneller?

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  13. smiler2729 says:

    Shouldn’t Eller be 1st or 2nd line center and DD the 4th line center?

    I think the time has come…

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  14. Habfan17 says:

    If Bergevin could do with Gorges, what was done with Rivest and a 5th round pick, get a player and a first round pick,hello Patches, would you do it?

    If the Devils would take Gionta at the deadline for a 2nd round pick, would you do it.

    Lastly, if Carolina could convince Cole to play out his contract and offered a first round pick, would you take it?

    Knowing you could add some veterans if required during free agency.

    Habfan17

    • Timo says:

      I don’t see why we couldn’t get a younger, albeit unproven, roster player for Gionta.

    • Loonie says:

      A second round pick for Brian Gionta is not only a braindead move for the GM holding Gionta’s services to make but it’s actually so bad that it’s insulting and a gross undervaluing of him as a player.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Slow down there cowboy. I would not say it is brain dead! he was injured and as much as he brings leadership, his points have been going down and he is no spring chicken with a pretty high cap hit, teams have to get inder a lower cap next season. In the Devils case, they develop through the draft and aren’t likely to give out a high end prospect. I am attempting to be realistic. He may get a better return depending on the team and their situation, providing he would waive his no trade clause. I was thinking he would for the Devils.

        Habfan17

        • Loonie says:

          A second round pick for a…….

          Stanley Cup winning forward who when playing 60 games or more has scored no less than 20 goals.

          A skilled player who wins battles in front of the net against players nearly twice his size regularly.

          A captain

          15 points in 19 playoff games as recently as 2010.

          Do you have a firm understanding of the trade market at the deadline? Gionta would get a 1st round pick and a very good prospect. Dustin Penner is a great example of how teams overpay for scoring at playoff time and never get discounts on it.

          • Habfan17 says:

            You may be right, but his cap hit also plays into it. Too many people over value the talent. Yes, at the deadline you usually get way more than the player is worth, if a team thinks it will give them a better chance at the cup that year. Still, even if a 2nd round pick is under value, calling someone brian dead because you have a different opinion and wuestioning my understanding of the trade market. I have been watching trades for 45 years my friend and have seen some really crazy trades. As far as I am concerned the Sharks gave up too much for Rivest. In hindsite, looking at how Gorges panned out and Pacioretty, I think they would want a do over.

            All you had to say, was that you thought I had unde rvalued him and presented your case. You did not have to wage an attack!

            Habfan17

          • Loonie says:

            I said it would be a braindead move. I didn’t call you braindead. And if you were to trade Brian Gionta for a second round pick I would call it a braindead move, I wouldn’t call you braindead.

            Though the thought would cross my mind.

            :)

    • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

      *Would* we be able to add ‘veterans if required via free agency’ after gutting our team and ensuring we finish in last place in 2014? The answer is almost certainly no. Fans love to play the ‘tanking’ game, but players have exactly zero interest in enduring years of craptitude. Plus, you’ll have to overpay for any UFA you do get, because all UFAs are overpaid. This being so, shouldn’t we just skip the step and *keep* most of those guys?

      I suspect we’re better of thinking in terms of moving one or two vets at most come deadline. The really interesting fish is Markov. If you could turn him into a very high pick and one or two quality prospects it might be worth crossing your fingers on replacing him via the UFA market come summer.

      • Habfan17 says:

        This would not for tanking, it would be for adding more pieces so in a couple of seasons, the Habs would be real contenders. I think the core they have is strong and experienced enough that they could add players that would fit the rd or 4th lines and bring some leadership, cheaper than Cole and Gionta.

        I don’t want then to follow the Edmonton model and draft 1st or 2nd overall for 5 consecutive years! Unless it is becasue they win the draft lottery!!

        Habfan17

  15. Loonie says:

    Stop the presses!

    The Winnipeg Jets acquired Eric Tangradi from Pittsburgh for a 7th round pick.

    Very good trade for the Jets considering Tangradi’s talent level and physically imposing play when healthy.

    Could be a great trade for them down the road.

  16. boing007 says:

    The time to plug up the holes is now, not to wait and see how so and so
    will pan out in Hamilton. Maybe none of them ever will reach the NHL. So, they would have waited for nothing. Meanwhile, back in Montréal, the powers that be continue to sit on their hands.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • commandant says:

      We are a rebuilding team… there are too many holes to plug.

      Keep amassing assets, picks and prospects and build, build build.

      Sure some of the prospects may not make it, but some will.

      Look no further than Toronto to see the problems with trading your future to fill the holes now.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Habfan17 says:

        Great response! If bergevin does want to make some changes, waiting until the deadline will drive up the return on players he may be willing to offer.

        Habfan17

      • JF says:

        Right on about Toronto. If they had been more patient, they would now have Tuuka Rask in goal, Tyler Seguin and Logan Couture (acquired with the pick the Leafs gave San Jose for Vesa Toskala) at forward, and Dougie Hamilton on defence. That said, it is beginning to look as though Burke did not do such a lousy job after all. JVR looks great so far; the Leafs might have landed their first-line centre in that trade.

      • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

        Hey Commandant, how do you assess our system taken as a whole? Do you see the outline of a contender emerging? If not, at what point – if any – do you favour a wholesale fire sale of veterans like Cole, Gio, & Markov?

  17. The Dude says:

    Trades ,how bout Habs and Flames trade captains? …would help both players and teams

  18. The Dude says:

    Happy B.D. Mr. Ian Cobb :)

  19. HabFab says:

    All this talk about acquiring O’Reilly but no consideration on how to pay for him…MORONS!
    PK was talked into a lower price because Bergevin was able to prove to him that he couldn’t afford that money next season.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
      My Custom Lineup
      FORWARDS
      Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
      Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
      Brandon Prust ($2.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
      Travis Moen ($1.850m) /
      DEFENSEMEN
      Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
      Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.225m)
      Alexei Emelin ($2.000m) /
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      Carey Price ($6.500m)
      OTHER
      Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
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      * Tomas Kaberle bought out.

  20. frontenac1 says:

    @Ian. Its your birthday? Have a great one amigo! I would be honoured to roll with someday,even if you are a Bulls fan. Saludos and Best wishes!

  21. commandant says:

    Emelin is definitely still evolving.

    Last year was a good year for him, but he also was given sheltered minutes as a rookie.

    Now he’s taking more minutes, and more responsibility (tougher matchups) and he’s played well in the circumstances IMO. There is still a way to go, but he’s getting there.

    Go Habs Go!
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  22. Habilis says:

    Lars Eller, Morgan Ellis and one of our 2nd rounders for Ryan O’Reilly.

    Yes? No?

    PS: I am not an Eller hater by any stretch, I just think he’s probably the only player that the Avs would want and that the Habs are willing to move.

  23. Hobie Hansen says:

    Not sure if there’s a connection but Subban is having his best season ever so far under Therrien.

  24. DAVE. N says:

    As per Stu Cowan

    “After the Tampa game, Emelin ranked fourth in the NHL in hits with 47 in 12 games, eight behind league leader Luke Schenn of the Philadelphia Flyers, who had played two more games.

    Emelin had two assists, was even in the plus/minus stats and was averaging 19:54 of ice time per game – not bad for a player who was selected in the third round (84th overall) at the 2004 NHL entry draft. With the way Emelin hits – and at 6-foot-2 and 219 pounds – a good nickname for him would be the Russian Tank.

    After selecting Emelin at the 2004 draft, Trevor Timmins – the Canadiens director of player personnel – said of the defenceman: “He reminds me of Darius Kasparaitis. He’s the kind of guy who’s in your face all the time and he rarely gets beat one-on-one.”

    Russian Tank? Darius Kasparaitis? Don’t get me wrong, I think he HAS been a stable,effective player. Kaspairitis took alot of guys to the penalty box,provoked alot of penalties, and dropped the gloves when needed. I get that he plays with a shield, because of an injury, but I’ve yet to see a “Tank”

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Hey some poster the other day suggested that Timo should take some Lithium. Is that stuff any good?I thought you had be Nuts to get a script for that. Timo doesn’t strike me as nuts. What’s up?

  26. Loonie says:

    Putting aside the Desharnais/Eller argument for a moment.

    If Desharnais’ play continues the way it has he’s really putting Bergevin in a tough position. His contract is up at season’s end and Bergevin will have Galchenyuk, Plekanec and Eller sitting firmly on the roster.

    So what do you pay Desharnais? Do you give him a contract? If you do what role does he come back in and if you don’t sign him what do you look to acquire in return for his services?

    His situation is more intriguing than anyone else’s on the roster for sure.

    • krob1000 says:

      I can;t stop thinking about having Ryan O’Reilly onthe club now…with him Pleks and Eller that would be three great two way guys …Galchenyuk could move to the wing or center a 4th like Seguin did and get solid pp time. O’Reilly is just the type of center the team needs….great on faceoffs, led NHL in takeaways…god luck line matching with Pleks/Eller and O’Reilly up the middle. All could face top centers and be effective defensively and a threat offensivley. If the Habs could land O’Reilly it would be worth moving Eller or Galchenyuk to wing. He would bloack a puck with his face if he had to…..he is not “tough” in the figthing or strength side of the game but he is very committed defensively and almost a pp game player at the same time.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      seems like trade for a pick would be best with that assessment of the situation

      Go Habs Go

    • Habfan17 says:

      DD is not a Bergevin pick up, so if he traded him, it would not be a problem and given the depth and taking a longer term look, I would say trade him. Probably at the deadline. In my humble opinion, Bergevin won’t make any moves until then, once he has had a chance to see what every player can do and if they have a chance at getting into the playoffs. If they have a chance, I would say he waits until the off season. I think the only way Bergevin makes a trade before the deadline is if he is forced to due to injury, or he gets an offer he can’t refuse, like an injury depleted team offering something for Kaberle or Weber.

      Teams can make a drastic turn around in a short period of time, like the Flyers did, but that took some gutsy moves. I could see Bergevin doing something similar at the deadline with Gionta, Cole and Diaz. These were all gainey/Ghost pick ups. As long as Cole were to agree to play out his contract if traded, they could get something good for him and the same for Gionta if he waives his no trade. The way Diaz has played on the PP and carries the puck out, he should bring some value too. Maybe Columbus would give one of the first round picks for DD, Kristo(if he agrees to sign) and Diaz. Not bad return for two undrafted free agent signings and a second round pick who may not sign in MTL.

      Habfan17

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While this response will create havoc amongst some, it is impossible to ignore the fact that the Habs currently have so few francophones in the lineup. I am not saying he is receiving special treatment nor that he should, but I find it hard to believe that this issue isn’t part of the whole dilemma.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        My thoughts exactly.

      • Loonie says:

        I agree and that’s why I bring it up. I’m very curious to see if Bergevin has the stones to walk away from a Quebecois player.

        Desharnais could make Bergevin’s life very difficult.

        All Desharnais has to do is produce consistent offense for Bergevin to justify keeping him. If he fails to do that, he may force Bergevin to keep him while at the same time making a better player a sacrificial lamb.

        And is it possible that Desharnais’ poor play has had something to do with having to look over his shoulders at Galchenyuk and Eller?

        It’s much more difficult to keep the prominent role than it is to steal it.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      How is that not the Desharnais/Eller argument that you have been beating to a pulp for weeks now?

      You’ve put it aside in the same way that the Pauline Marois has put referendum plans aside. Not at all.

      • Loonie says:

        It’s a comment about Desharnais’ value to the team and what role he should have on it.

        Eller is one piece of four in the conversation.

        Sorry you took it as an attack on Desharnais like everything else.

        He’s an average talent with a superstar work ethic. And I’m one of very many discussing the competition at centre here.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I’m not taking it as an attack on anything. You start off by saying you want to talk about something else and proceed to talk about exactly the same thing. For the thousandth time.

          It’s really an idée fixe.

          • Loonie says:

            The question of whether or not Eller is a better player right now may play a part in Bergevin’s decision with Desharnais but I was referring specifically to Desharnais’ pending contract status.

            Sorry for the confusion.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Interesting question, I’m answering before reading everyone else’s responses.

      I’ve been a big supporter of David Desharnais, although I was very skeptical when he was brought up. He convinced me by just doing his job and producing. Now that he’s not producing, and he’s not equipped to do the ‘little things’ that Mike Milbury’s NHL requires, it sets up a quandary. Is David Desharnais valuable, or is his roster spot and cap space valuable? Plus, he won’t have any trade value, so he’s not an asset in the true sense of the word. Maybe the Florida teams might be interested, but that’s a stretch.

      I think he has to be a point a game player or nearly so to the end of the season, making his wingers better and creating offence out of thin air like he did last season, or else he won’t receive a contract offer. His absence would be welcome so that other players get his icetime.

  27. DAVE. N says:

    A Toronto fan after their Flyers game when Reimer got hurt, heard the Leafs are prepared to trade Bozak, a 2nd rounder and Mike Zigomanis for Bernier and a 3rd round pick. He says he has it on good authority….would be a doable trade…just don’t see it as enough; Nonis would be wizard pulling off that one.

  28. frontenac1 says:

    @Burly. Don’t get me going on that nightmare I had with the Midgets with butcher knives chasing me through the mall. It was truely frightening.

  29. t1tan5 says:

    Regarding the poll: the Habs are 7-4-1 and could have been 8-4-0 had Ryan White not attacked Steve Ott. And that gets a C? I’m glad none of you are my professors.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      Keep in mind some of those losses were pure stinkers. so it will even out the grade.. if you play 10 games, and 3 of them are GARBAGE, you are lucky to have a winning % let alone .500

      Go Habs Go

      • krob1000 says:

        only the leaf games were “pure stinkers”…the Bruins game was a great game and a bad couple of minutes, the Sabres game was also a good game and even the Sens loss was Ryan WHite’s double minor (2 pp goals and another a minute later) and a bad 5 minute stretch…

        The issue seems to be responding with a few big shifts after a momentum (sorry Chris!!!) sucking goal

        • dorvalhabsfan says:

          I hear ya, but i gave a C based on overall team perofrmance, along with individual performances, and my satisfaction regarding those performances.

          Go Habs Go

          • t1tan5 says:

            This is truly a “what have you done for me lately” world. Had the Habs started off 1-2-1 and were currently on a 6-2-0 clip, I guarantee that the grades would be higher. Taking into account the impressive four game win streak and the more recent three-game losing steak, I’d give the team a B. Habs have played two truly horrible games all season, and one of those was on the road with the back-up tender. This is a seminal example of a “B” team in my opinion.

          • krob1000 says:

            I am one of the 2 percent weirdos who gave the team an A ….I am very impressed that at the one quarter mark the team is in a playoff spot and 4 poinsts out of first. Given the other games were winnable(is that a word?) I think the team has looked way better than expected and can compete for a playoff spot ….that is pretty impressive from 3rd last to playoffs. There are plenty of reasons for optimism…and maybe it is because I did not get to see the Leaf drubbing I feel this way as I hear it was pretty bad…
            The team is on pace for 102 points in an 82 game season….how can people not be impressed with that? The timing of the poll is all that is influencing things….(by the way every team the Canadiens have lost to is ahead of them….those teams are all playing ood hockey). I should mention I was marking relative to the team from last year and the imporvement which has been very substantial

          • Habfan10912 says:

            @krob. I don’t think you’re weird at all. I actually think given the season we had last year the team is overschieving but probably not as high as your vote would indicate.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      I agree! I voted B but found it funny the C’s were leading. The Habs can win their first 10, then lose 2 in a row and some “fans” on here would give them a B or worse.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Sounds like you’re questioning the fanship of those who voted C. Well this is why I voted a C.
        They’re in 7th place which is just scraping by. If you go by the phrase I followed in university “C’s get degrees” a C makes perfect sense. See you won’t get a degree if you’re getting all D’s, like you won’t make the playoffs if you’re below 8th.

        If you want to talk about the merit of earning a C, look no further than what, 3 2+goal leads that were blown? I’d give Ottawa a B, not the Habs though.

    • DAVE. N says:

      You know the values of poles…ask any dog….

    • Shryder says:

      ……but they are not 8-4-0.

  30. frontenac1 says:

    If you’re in a bar room brawl,who would you want covering your back? Moener and Whitey or DD and Diaz? For Chr*t sakes Amigos, sometimes it gets hairy out there!

  31. Steeltown Hab says:

    MT has been consistently praising Eller these past couple games but then leaves him on the 4th. It just shows he has a pre-determined idea in his head that he’s not a top 6 player.

    He also spoke how Desharnais had a good game ln…kudos on the shootout winner but he’s just not performed anything like a top 6 player this year. He’s got some personnel issues I hope get cleared up.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Eller is making the 4th line a very effective line, all the while MT showcases DD for a trade. ;-)

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        lol the Antichambre uproar that would ensue from a Desharnais trade would be great.

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • krob1000 says:

          I left the tv on last night and came back and saw Patrick ROy was on that show..is he a regular? why do people not commentt more on his views? what does he think of this team,etc?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Eller was perfect on the 4th line last night. Eller and his fans might not like it but he helped Moen and Armstrong and the 4th line have one of their best games of the season.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Considering the limited minutes the 4th line plays I’d rather have him making guys like Cole and Pacioretty better.

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            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’d like to see him there too but guys like Bergevin, Therrien and pretty much every analyst that mentions his name just does not see him as top 6 material.

            And his chemistry with Moen has always been good.

        • boing007 says:

          Tabernak!

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • habsguy says:

        I have 2 answers for that, 1st, really, and just what is going to get for DD……….2nd, if that’s showcasing, what is he asking for, a 5th or 6th rounder?

      • wjc says:

        HabinBurlington, you know he is being showcased?

        Maybe, he is trying to get him back to where he was last year.

        You may be right, but you could say that about any player. If the right offer came along anyone is expendable.

        You know that Bergevin in shopping D.D. you must have insider information. Anyone can speculate, and make a case for your speculation, but in the end it is just guessing and speculating.

        wjc

    • Les-Habitants says:

      Deharnais did have a 60pt year, and that line of Armstrong-Eller-Moen are playing very well together. But I think we’re beginning to see the end of MT’s patience – Eller will get his shot unless Desharnais can bring it back together

    • Luke says:

      Let’s explore why Eller, while being praised, would be left on the 4th?

      I actually don’t think it’s too confusing.

      Eller’s a solid player in most aspects of the game. DD is primarily an offensive player.

      Eller on the Cole/Max line would keep it a strong line offensively. Eller on the Moen/Armstrong line keeps it a strong line defensively with a touch of offensive potential.

      DD on the Cole/Max line would keep it a strong line offensively. DD on the Moen/Armstrong line it would make it a weaker line defensively (its role) with a touch of offensive potential.

      The team is better served with Eller on the 4th, and DD on the Cole/Max line IF you are to have them both playing in the line-up and both at centre.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Bingo!

      • wjc says:

        The ideal scenario is to be able to roll 4 line effectively. Whatever it takes to make this happen is good.

        Last night, looked like they were able to roll 4 lines effectively. Eller has gone on record as saying he will do what is necessary to find his way on this team. He seems to be doing that. Patience is necessary to see what you have.

        Tinkering is the way to go, try it, see where it goes and if it works leave it for a while. Works for me.

        wjc

  32. rhino514 says:

    I am one of those who agrees with the coaches that DD is a better offensive option than Eller at this point, however, as one poster pointed out, DD´s plus/minus is not good whereas Eller´s always seems to be respectable. I don´t normally put too much weight on that stat, but when you look at DD skate, he seems to labour alot to get to where he has to on the ice; he may not be slow but he ain´t fast. I´m thinking that, along with his size, hurts him possibly moreso on the defensive side of things. Is he a liability defensively? Thoughts?

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      -6 and an offensive zone start percentage way higher than Eller’s. Defensive end is where he really struggles, it’s pretty simple. If he’s not putting up points he’s bringing nothing out there.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • wjc says:

        It comes down to, do you think last year was a fluke. D.D. is a playmaker and needs finishers to put up points. When the finishers struggle, Cole and a less then healthy Pacioretty, then D.D. struggles.

        Not all players are defensive specialist, especially playmakers, that might take time to get back to last years accomplishments. You do not over react and slash and burn, you analysis, experiment, communicate, tinker and tinker some more. Trade if the right deal comes along and most of all be patient.

        They are showing signs of developing a solid team, while they wait for the others to develop in the AHL.

        wjc

    • Loonie says:

      He can’t knock players off of the puck and doesn’t have the speed to catch up when he gets caught deep in the offensive zone.

      Physical limitations make him a slight liability as a centreman in my opinion.

      As for the offensive abilities of each. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Eller has better skills, when he gets to the point that he can put them together with an intelligent game(I think we’re seeing it now), he’ll be(is) better than Desharnais as an offensive option.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Actually DD is very strong. What impressed me the most last year is that he went to the boards and ALWAYS came out with the puck. Uness that really took a toll, I don’t see why he can’t do that anymore.
        I think he’ll come around, which makes things tough cause I really like Eller too and I’d like to see him in the top 6 as well. Then again, how about at least in the top 9 with somewhat stronger linemates and more ice time?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Loonie says:

          What I see with Desharnais is a player who can maintain possession of the puck but not take it away from other players routinely when engaged physically.

          I agree that he’s strong though.

          I’d be fine with Eller playing on a third line with a couple of skilled players. He’s earned it.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I actually remember him going to the boards to get the puck off of the opposition regularly last year, but then again, that was last year.
            Perhaps he felt the pain through the summer and is less inclined to do it again….?

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Loonie says:

            I didn’t see him winning loose puck battles regularly last season so I can’t really say.

            As for the injury speculation, I find it unlikely that he’d be among the team leaders in even strength ice-time at forward if he were hurt.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Must be a different DD. I remember him going to the net, which he still does, But I don’t remember him always getting the puck in battles on the boards. I saw a lot of his butt cleaning the ice!
          he tries hard and had a great year last season, but one year does not make a career or a star. I remember Patches and Cole fighting the puck out to DD, waiting on the boards, and then DD making some nice passes or moves. This season he is not doing those things. He tries real hard, but he looks slow and teams now know him. I see him, with the exception of last night, losing the majority of his faceoffs. losing battles and have a very difficult time in his own end, and getting knocked down a lot.

          Habfan17

        • wjc says:

          Habsrule1, from what I can gather, the new thinking in the NHL is top 9. Players that contribute offensively all in the top 9 and the last 3 whatever you can muster together.

          With the rules against obstruction and interference being called closely, you have to have players that force penalties and offensive threats do that, that can control the puck.

          D.D. is a part of that mix at the present time and 12 or so games in should not change that. As stated he does well with size playing with him and finishers, it takes the pressure off him and he can be pretty magical with the puck. So lets see where it goes.

          wjc

    • ooder says:

      can’t win a face off to save his life..that doesn’t help

      • Habfan17 says:

        I did see him win one clean last night, however it was after the Tampa centre was waived out of the faceoff circle and the winger took the draw. Apparently he went 11 for 18 or something close to that. Wrose is, even if he doesn’t lose clean, he can’t out muscle the other team’s centres on the draw and doesn’t seem to be able to use his smarts to come up with the puck.

        Habfan17

      • Nina76 says:

        ooder……………..In reply to your post “can’t win a face off to save his life” I presume you are talking about Eller…….Is there anyone on the team that can???????? I have yet to see it, they need alot of practice & I mean alot. I hope they find someone that can very soon, can’t win a game without missing so many face offs

      • boing007 says:

        A centerman who doesn’t win faceoffs iz no good.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Instead of comparing DD against other Habs centers, maybe we should compare him against their rivals. Let’s use Boston as the example. Can DD compete effectively against Bergeron, Krejci and Kelly as a top two center? I don’t think so but we’ll see…

    • Mustang says:

      Is there a chance that DD isn’t 100%? Does he have a nagging injury that is keeping him from playing at the level that got him to the NHL and that we saw last year?

  33. kirbhabs says:

    O’reilly for DD, weber and 2nd round pick

    • Loonie says:

      Don’t you mean O’Reilly and a 2nd for Desharnais?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Player wise sounds great, caphit wise Habs probably can’t make work. DD and Weber are each $850K this season, both RFA in offseason. O’Reilly probably signs for 3Million min. (whether or not he deserves is another issue). That would put Habs very near 60million with 18 roster players signed, we currently have 24 signed, cap next year is 64million. And we still will not have addressed the defence, if indeed it needs to be dressed in larger uniforms.

      • krob1000 says:

        Ryan O’reilly would address the toughens up the middle issue, give the team a top faceoff guy and help witht he lead prtoecting for sure…he is a character guy and is definitely worth some phone calls.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Bozak and a 2nd for Duchene – leaf fan co-workers…standard.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • theox_8 says:

      The avs should just give him away for a seventh rounder.

  34. HabinBurlington says:

    Marc Bergevin did play in the NHL, in fact from 1984 through 2003/4 he played in the NHL and the AHL as a defenceman, of the journeyman type variety. You don’t play that long in these leagues and not understand what it takes to compete night in and night out.

    To borrow an all to often quoted phrase, Rome was not built in a day. I find it inconceivable ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-b7RmmMJeo ) that he doesn’t recognize the need for our blueline to get bigger, tougher and stronger. I am hopeful that he can now have a read on our current group and begin to investigate trade possibilities. It will take some time to shape the roster and with the Cap going down next year, this becomes more difficult. I have complete confidence that MB recognizes the needs much better than PG did, if for no other reason than his experience as a player.

    • krob1000 says:

      HE had 49 career fights…that surprised me when I looked it up…
      wow …for a guy who was only 6’0″ and 185 lbs (hockey db…while hockey fights has him at 6’1″ and 214) he took on Todd Ewen, MEssier, Kevin Hatcher a couple of times and sveveral other heavyweights…I don;t remember him as that tough

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Give Bergevin 3 years and I think we will see a different team

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Look at how many people are crowing about the Big Bad Leafs (after two games or so of production against teams playing with their heads up their wazoos) after having driven Burkie out the door so quickly his undone tie got stuck in the jambl because he ‘couldn’t get the job done’.

      Who drafted/traded for these Big Bad Leafs?

      Think he’s bitter?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Loonie says:

      I’ve found myself wondering quite often over the last few days if there isn’t a deal to be made with Chicago for Dylan Olsen.

      If the Blackhawks are higher on him than they appear, I’d be targeting Douglas Murray from San Jose.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        the way Chi town is playing I don’t think they will want to make any moves just in case. They are on fire

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Loonie says:

          Dylan Olsen is in the AHL though. He got 28 games last season and didn’t get the call back to start this year with them.

          It could be patience but they have four defensemen under contract for the next two years and may not be counting on having him up with the big club.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Burly,

      Tinordi should arrive next season. Beaulieu needs a bit more seasoning and will be right behind him. Beaulieu is a pretty big and strong guy as well. ( I know you know this already)

      Not sure if Bergevin will be able to do a heck of a lot before then?

      Beaulieu Scrap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN6o-P0Gkhw

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I hear ya Hobie, but that means asking Tinordi to be tough guy day one into his NHL career, he could be punchdrunk by the end of the season. It is one thing to rush them from a talent perspective, another to rush a guy like Tinordi into that physical role. That is my concern.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Oh for sure. I hope Tinordi is actually instructed to avoid fighting unless absolutely necessary, for the first season. I seem to remember that being the case with other young players?

          I understand what you’re saying, it would be nice to have a large/tough stay-at-home defender now and to help ease Tinordi into his role.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I actually think Beaulieu might be up before Tinordi. Beaulieu is quick and really see’s the the ice well.

        I would say they both get called up for injuries in the next year or so and both in the line up for 2014-15

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • habsnyc says:

      Pretty much every team wants the same thing but asset scarcity makes it difficult.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, I am not adverse on the idea of having a rugged forward join our team, but I think people need to realize the need for the player to fit on the Habs.

    First of all, a current winger then has to go on waivers, sent down and/or be traded. Easy answer to many will be Armstrong, however, while he isn’t scoring he has done an effective job on the 4th line and has been a part of that line which many nights has been one of our more effective lines. And like it or not, MT trusts and likes Armstrong.

    If not Armstrong then who? Nokia, okay, I am fine with that, but he is a center and Kassian is not nor will he ever be so losing Nokia means losing the ability to call up a player who plays center. So who then? White? Okay, Kassian is a much better fighter than White, but in no way is a better hockey player and again, White can play Center.

    Reality is, unless we are picking up a rugged winger who supplant a player on the top 3 lines, this probably is not a solution. If this team is going to add ruggedness, it needs to be on the back end. And if so, it will almost have to be via a trade as we have Kaberle and Weber already sitting.

    It is easy to sit back and say, hey there is a fighter on waivers grab him, but there are rosters spots and salary caps to deal with.

    • shiram says:

      Moen could get the boot and it would not make too many ripples, he just has not been playing all that well. But that does not improve the toughness of the top 6, which is where toughness/size is lacking.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        His contract prevents him from being an solution. His cap hit would count even if in Hamilton. And I still believe he is too valuable to the team to just discard. Perhaps I am wrong, but believe him to be a very responsible player on the ice in both 3rd and 4th line situations along with Penalty Killing.

        • shiram says:

          I agree Burly and Habsnyc, I was just saying Moen has not been good lately, and he could sit for a potential other tough guy…

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Moen like Cole has had a sluggish start to season. I am hopeful he shows his mettle though, I thought he played a good game last night. I think these older boys were hurt by the lockout moreso than the youngsters.

          • shiram says:

            Could be, I liked Moen and what he brought for the last 3 seasons, I’m sure he can get back on track.
            The RDS guys were talking about Cole being injured, and the way he carries himself and plays seem to indicate it could true.

      • habsnyc says:

        Moen is a dozen games into a four year deal with a no trade clause.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Well said Burly.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Thanks below, Shawn, see you at the next Summit in Montreal. Brampton is just down the CNR tracks from the Bell center. A lot of us just take the train, picking up all along the way. makes for a fun trip!

        • Kooch7800 says:

          No problem Ian. Have a great birthday!

          For sure on the summit, it would be a pleasure to meet you and have a beer and talk about habs!

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Ian Cobb says:

            I was my mothers Valentine 69 years ago and it is Ash Wednesday today as well. All I want is a win tomorrow night and for the PK to be allowed to entertain as only he can.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Don’t forget the Golden HI/O Rule:
      If he doesn’t play for the Habs, he’s better than his closest equivalent on the Habs.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  36. Bash says:

    Social networking on ice :)

    Posted in the wrong place for some reason.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  37. B says:

    Last season, Subban averaged 0.44 ppg (tied for 42nd among Dmen).

    So far this season, Subban is averaging 1.00 ppg (tied for 3rd among Dmen).

    –Go Habs Go!–

  38. hockeyscout101 says:

    The Wild have placed Matt Kassian on waivers…Another tough guy on waivers, following Darcy Hordichuck. I know people will say that Montreal doesn’t need a tough guy who can’t play hockey but the style of hockey hasn’t changed-you still need that 1 guy who can play 3-4 minutes a game and he doesn’t have to play every game. Not sure what Bergevin has in store but something needs to give, the team is still small but pieces can’t be changed overnight.

  39. jrshabs1 says:

    If anyone is interested Matt Kassian has been put on waivers by Minny. Pretty big upgrade in the toughness department… Get rid of 1 of the2 D-man who sit in the press box every night to make roster room. 1 of the 2 rookies would sleep better if he knew he was protected. The kid has slowed down a fair bit once rough stuff started.

    Go Habs Go!!

    • hockeyscout101 says:

      I agree that Montreal needs that 1 guy..aka Kassian, Shelley, Hordichuk or like Darren Langdon from his Habs days. Maybe Montreal will take a flyer but who knows. I am not sure what Bergevin has in store but the Toronto game was a wake up call.

      • shiram says:

        The game was already lost when the rough stuff started, so I don’t see how that game was a wake-up to get a tough guy.
        To get better at faceoff, to keep better discipline sure would have helped during that game.

        • hockeyscout101 says:

          Remember Boston a few years ago? Nothing changed then??? Teams know that Montreal is improving in the toughness area but they still know that you can punish the Habs.

        • habsnyc says:

          Well said. Fighters do not win faceoffs or preserve leads. They mostly take penalties.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • hockeyscout101 says:

            You like having a small, skilled Habs team don’t you? Plus smurfs!!!

          • Mattyleg says:

            Because those are the only two types of players.
            Right.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • habsnyc says:

            Montreal’s problems relate to losing faceoffs, weak third periods and undisciplined penalties. Adding an unskilled player to the lineup is not going solve those problems. My opinion about smaller players can be inferred from my dozens of posts about Montreal needing to be bigger up the middle.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • jrshabs1 says:

        The rough stuff will never go away…every team needs a policeman ..every rookie needs to feel protected. Tough guys are cheap there’s always room on the roster. The leaf game got out of hand because the Habs were intimidated from the start. There’s nothing to say the next game won’t be the same…It’s up to MB…he saw the wreckage.

        Go Habs Go!!

        • hockeyscout101 says:

          Agreed with your statements. Fans who think fighting
          will go away are wrong and if people think tough guys will go away they are wrong as well.

          Honestly I feel that Bergevin and company won’t do anything regarding the toughness issue-that is the fear I hear from fans and from people around the league.

          • habsnyc says:

            they signed moen, proust, armstrong and bouillon in the off season all of whom were supposed to increase the toughness.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • jrshabs1 says:

            That worked well on Saturday didn’t it? I saw Brandon Gallagher fight, didn’t see Armstrong, Moen or Boullion drop the gloves. Face offs and speed in the neutral zone mean nothing if your team is intimidated by another team..The Habs are clearly intimidated by Boston and now Toronto…Why so much resistance for the need of pure tough guy? What happened on Saturday will just happen again if the team is not changed

            Go Habs Go!!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Agreed. At least give Weber a chance to play elsewhere. It’s obvious there is no room for him here.

      • hockeyscout101 says:

        I think they are trying to move Weber, but no interest yet. Trade talk will heat up soon. Once 1 trade happens you will see a ripple effect among teams.

        Montreal will have interest in Shane O’Brien/John Erksine type of player as I know they are trying to improve on their facebook skills.

        • shiram says:

          Heh it’s enough that Cole sent his mea culpa via a chat room instead of talking face to face with the player, do we really need players who’s skillset include facebook? :p

      • habsnyc says:

        Weber has a one way deal and did not make the roster of a non playoff team from last year. The market for him at the moment in thin.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      I still miss Staubitz..

      Go Habs Go

  40. Ozmodiar says:

    I think the problem with the defense is that they’re missing a legitimate top paring d-man. Individually, the 6 starters are able to get the job done, just not as top minute eaters.

    Subban is the only top pairing guy they have, and he’s playing on the 3rd unit. /sheesh

    I don’t think the D corps will be considered among the best in the league until they add a legit #1 guy, in which case it would look like:
    xxxxxx – Subban
    Markov – Emelin
    Gorges – Diaz
    Boullion

    I guess we’ll have to wait and hope Tinordi can fill that role – unless there’s a big trade, UFA addition, or lottery win.

    • commandant says:

      I think Gorges – Subban did very well as a top pairing last year. Both were big time + players in +/- on a crappy team. I’d put them together again.

      Tinordi won’t be ready to be a top 2 defenceman for a long while yet. He’s gotta go through the progression… AHL, top 6, top 4, top 2. It won’t be overnight.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Why haven’t Subban and Gorges been put back together again? I just don’t get it. They are the only ones capable of playing consistently big minutes against the other team’s best.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Sure, Gorges can fill in there. But he’s not a top pairing guy. He’s a shot-blocking, shut-down, defensive specialist. … and the D won’t be among the league’s best with him in the top 2.

        Yes, Tinordi has a ways to go. He might take Boullion’s spot next year. Then, hopefully, he’ll work his way up the depth chart.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Agreed Gorges is not a top 2 guy but he can play the minutes. If you want a top 2 guy now you have to trade for one. That means giving up a Tinordi and etc. I think MB is going to be patient the next season and a half.

        • commandant says:

          The defence really should line up like this

          Gorges – Subban
          Markov – Emelin
          Bouillion – Diaz

          I hear a lot of talk that Gorges is not a top 2 defenceman. I agree.

          The top 2 defenceman on this team are Subban and Markov.

          The top 2 do not need to play together. In fact we’ve had this before where I would say that Markov was our #1 and Hamrlik our #2 in recent years and they played on separate pairs.

          Just like Anaheim when Pronger and Niedermayer played on separate pairs, or Detroit Lidstrom and Kronwall, or Philly Timmonen and Pronger, or New Jersey Stevens and Niedermayer, or on and on down the list, you don’t have to play your best two d on the same pair to be your top pairing. This is not to compare Subban and Markov to those players (some of them hall of famers) merely to say that just because Gorges or Emelin plays on the top pair, that doesn’t make them our number 2 defenceman.

          3 – 2
          1 – 4
          5 – 6

          are the way we are lining up (if we go with this plan).

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Sadly, Markov is no longer a top pairing guy. He’s lost a step. Or, I guess you can say he’s a top pairing guy on a mediocre unit.

            Agreed that you don’t necessarily have to have the 2 best guys on the top pairing, although, it’s proven to work as well – Suter/Weber, Keith/Seabrook, etc…

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            You’re right the top two do not have to play together. Good point. I guess we’re used to watching Keith/Seabrook and previously Weber/Suter. However, I think the top two should play 25 min per game. This obviously comes from extra time on the PP and/or PK. Markov is one of our top 2 defencemen, no question. I think the question everybody has is whether he can play 25 min/game regularly. 20 min/game…no problem but 25? My gut says no but I just don’t really know. I guess we will see later in the season.

    • theox_8 says:

      Is that in order, because no way is emelin a top 4 d man.

    • lavie says:

      Subban-Gorges is our top D pair.
      Both are natural leaders and they have almost everything a top D pair shoulda have.

  41. commandant says:

    Sam Gagner has finally arrived?

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/02/13/sam-gagner-has-finally-arrived/

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    • secretdragonfly says:

      Nice – I’m sure this little snowflake is used to getting his own way in everything and it’s his team that pays the price. His parents must be so proud.

      • Chuck says:

        Kid has no flair for the dramatic. he could have at least skated out to the slot before wristing it into his own net. :)

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  42. boing007 says:

    The Habs have won just two Cups since 1979. Three teams have won three or more cups since then. The rest were one hit wonders. Hard Times.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  43. munch17 says:

    I am glad DD scored in the shoot-out – got us 2 points.
    But I almost fell out of my chair when I heard MT say he thought he played a good game and was being rewarded.
    He seems to be immune to criticism on l’antichambre – they were all over PK and Cole on TB’s first goal butt DD lost his man.
    He is -6 ( -4 in the last 2 games).
    Eller has as many points ( in one less game and little PP and no 5 on 3 time) , hand delivered 2 goals to DD ( vs Buffalo), is even after 10 games and was by far the best center on the ice for Habs last night.
    How long before this changes??

    • habsfan0 says:

      It will never change.
      Even Lt. Columbo can’t figure it out.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Yeah the AC is extremely biased. If it were up to them, they would run out all good players on the team in order to boost one of their own.

      Any mention of Eller is always tempered with a cautionary note, etc. On one hand, I’m glad DD scored on the shootout. On the other, I don’t think he has been any better than Eller recently (actually, Eller has been the better player) and is the primary obstacle in Eller getting to play in a Top 6 (or heck, even Top 9) role. Unfortunately, that obstacle has politics involved and size-related challenges.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Eller even played two games less than Desharnais. I agree with the rest.

  44. mark-ID says:

    so 17 people gave the Habs an F grade. So I guess we know there are at least 17 trolls on this site.

    Personally I gave them a B, because I think that the C represents a .500 record, and we are 3 games above that mark. Even though our last few games havn’t been the best.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • B says:

      Currently, 6 teams in the NHL rank ahead of the Habs, 2 of them Eastern conference teams. Clearly these early results are not good enough.

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • Sure, we lost a couple of games we should have won. But 12 games in, who’d have predicted that we’d be sitting 12th in a 30-team league with a 7-4-1 record, ranked 9th in the league for goals per game and 10th on the PP?

      This was a brutal bottom-dwelling team last year, and we’ve only added a couple of rookies and pluggers — yet here we are, defying all expectations. I don’t understand how that’s less than an A or B performance.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  45. BJ says:

    The way to keep a lead is when you have two goals you try to get a third and if you get a third go for a fourth. Why the hell do you flip the skate blades in the other direction? If you’re ahead and what got you there are goals why defense, it hasn’t worked since the Bowman days when we had the “big 3″ and even then they never let let up offensively. I don’t know if its the Jacques Martin defensive virus thats still infecting us, it just doesn’t work, go on the offense it keeps you away from the d-zone.

  46. Timo says:

    Same line up. Is that a case of “don’t mess with a good thing”? :)

  47. Kfourn says:

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but after watching a few games I’ve noticed that Subban isn’t as fast as he was last year. I’m not sure if this is due to the mass he put on over the summer or if Therrien’s system is restricting him to make more passes instead of carrying the puck. He also seems to have lost a step when “catching” the player who has slipped behind the defence. He was always able to make up for his mistakes with foot speed.

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    • krob1000 says:

      I’ve noticed that too a few times…his first few steps when he gets speed behind the net or circles he isn;t getting the hop and pushes he did last year…may be conditioning and mass combination but I agree. He is still well above average but those ifrst two strides that he normally just takes off on have definitely been noticeably slower…as have Patches’ and Cole’s too. I wonder if that is a league wide trend with guys who did not play substantial amounts of hockey over the lockout.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        PK is being rained in by the coach. He is not permitted to skate wide open any more. They think they can change his game that he has been successful with for 16years.!

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          I agree that he’s being reined in a bit Ian, but must admit, it seems to be working. He doesn’t look as dynamic as he did, but the production is still there!

          And they might be easing him in a bit as he’s a couple of weeks behind the other guys in training, etc.

        • krob1000 says:

          ? he did it about a dozen times last night…circled back and turned taking his usual couple of crossvers to get going..just not he same get up and go he normally has. He has also lost the puck several times just stickhandling in open ice (before alst night)…he looks rusty in some aspects. PK is phenomenal witht he puck and can normally stickhandle with one hand and fend guys off long enough to explode away and have them eating his dust. Right now his skating does not look as explosive as nomral…kfourn is right but he is coming of a lockout and then a contract dispute.
          The teams pp breakout is basically give the puck to pk and have everyone else stand still…I disagree with that. I like them attacking with speed and moving the puck smarter a la Markov and Diaz. I would not have taken Diaz off that unit so quickly. Having Markov is redundant on the first wave as his best ability is to move the puck forward…but isntead I find him moving it backwards to PK for him to do his circle thing (which he is pretty good at) but I would far prefer Markov to have guys alls kating with himand have him make the decisions…even Diaz is a better decision maker right now…too bad neither of them can carry the puck or skate like Subban though.

        • H.Upmann says:

          I never saw Bulldogs games when PK was there under Guy Boucher, but I can only imagine how he let PK run amok

        • B says:

          Therrien has instructed Subban not to skate as fast when he is racing back trying to catch someone who has slipped behind him?

          –Go Habs Go!–

  48. Big Buffy Boat Club says:

    I like Therrien’s posturing: “We deserved the win and we got the win.”
    Habs nation will dwell on how it went down (and rightfully so) but that doesn’t mean the players should.

    And yes there needs to be more PK time! (the good type)

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  49. krob1000 says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=415901

    Kerry Fraser..says Hedman goal should not have counted

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Fraser better be careful! That’s twice he’s sided with the Habs. TSN surely won’t stand for that much longer!!

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Seeing this happen TWICE in the span of a week to the Habs makes my blood boil.

      And that word ‘inconclusive’ is really just the NHL’s way of saying ‘we’re rooting for the other team’.

      • krob1000 says:

        The refs appear to be in preseason form this year as well…they too didn’t have the exhibition season and it may be affecting things….add to that the importance of each and every game this year and the mistakes are hard to ignore but I ahve seen many other games this year and the problem is not an isolated one.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          Wouldn’t say it’s isolated either, but, again, twice in one week against the Habs. The other team basically got 1 extra point in this case. Buffalo got 2 when they should have got 0, and the Habs only got 1 in that case. Every point counts in this shortened season.

  50. Sportfan says:

    If you were to rank the 7 Canadian teams goal-tending this season how would you rank them from 1-7

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  51. Habfan10912 says:

    A prolonged stay in the doghouse for Mr. White I am afraid. I wonder how long Kabrele stays quiet watching from the pressbox?

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  52. RS says:

    The Panthers are not particularly tough, so no White is okay. I’d like to see him get back in there soon. It’s not like Armstrong is good enough to be an everyday player.

    Please give Subban more ice-time. He’s the Habs’ best all-around D. He should be playing close to 25 minutes a game.

  53. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Didn’t see the new thread, posted this on the old one :)

    Here are a couple of questions:

    a) Emelin: Still developing? Or for the benefit of the hard hits, you accept the odd mistake

    b) Gionta: Worth anything at the deadline (25 goal scorer, leader, has a Cup)? If so, what? Or you don’t trade the captain!!!

    c) The defence corps: Too small or too slow…or both? Neither?

    d) Prospect you are most excited for? (I’ll chime in on this one and say Collberg)

    e) Patches: no goals. Cause for concern? Victim of his linemates? You’ll take the assists for now and expect him to start scoring too?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      a) Still developing. I think we’ve seen improvement in his game from last season.
      b) He has a NTC plus he’s the captain. He stays.
      c) Probably too small. But the main issue is getting the puck out of our own end.
      d) Tinordi. I hope he gets the same liberal stick height exemption that Chara has gotten. He carries around a tree for cripes sake.
      e) I think he’s still catching up conditioning wise.

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      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        1. Still developing, but i think we can see what kind of player he is going to be at this point, nothing spectacular, but not stupid and very physical

        2. You don’t dump people like Gio, it sends a bad message to the other possible employees

        3. Too small, but it’s a transition D-Corpse

        4. Beaulieu – just based on the hype

        e. He has a decent amount of assists, so I would’nt be worried. He’s right there when goals happen

        Go Habs Go

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      a) Yes.

      b) Worth a 2nd. Absolutely trade him if the opportunity presents itself.

      c) Just not good enough.

      d) Gallagher is showing some nice stuff.

      e) Yes. If Pacioretty wasn’t a French name he’d be sitting.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Gio worth a 2nd?! Are you kidding me? AK46 was worth a second. Paul Gaustad was ‘worth’ a 1st. Kaberle and Beauchemin went for more. Talk about selling at the lowest price possible.

    • RS says:

      a) He will get a bit better, but he brings what he brings. That’s good.

      b) Too many small forwards, but the Habs’ have traded too many captains in the past. Don’t do it again. Hopefully by next year, other players have improved and he is on the third line.

      c) Both, but mainly too small. Give Subban more ice-time, save Markov a bit.

      d) Tinordi. I actually don’t have great hopes for him but I think he will play in the NHL. And he potentially fills a need on the Habs’ roster. If he can be the next Hal Gill I will be very, very happy.

      e) Some concern. That whole line with DD and Cole has struggled. He will come around. He’s one of our few bright spots moving ahead.

    • Cal says:

      a. Emelin is still improving.
      b. If he and Pleks and Bourque keep clicking, why trade him?
      c. Too many soft puck movers, including, Diaz, Weber and Kaberle.
      d. Pateryn- if he ever stays healthy long enough to bolster the D corps.
      e. After the 1st one goes in, many more will follow. All goal scorers are streaky.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      One of my main issues with the organization over the past twenty years has been the treatment of Montreal’s captains. “Throwing in” Keane on the Roy deal being the ultimate insult.

      Gionta is the prefect fit right now as a 2nd line RW. He’s streaky but still shows up for every game. The team also needs his leadership. He should stay.

    • Sportfan says:

      A) Still Developing, I feel he’s improving even though he’s been quiet lately

      B) NTC and Captain you don’t trade them, but if its another season that we miss the playoffs if he wants to leave and we get a good enough deal I wouldn’t be opposed to that and the Gorges would most likely be Captain, but again I’m happy with Gio staying

      C) I think size is a be of an issue if we could get an Erskine or a big D who scares opponents and -plays D well I’d be happy

      D) Tinordi I just really hope we don’t have an O’Byrne situation with him

      E) I am okay with the assist for now, more goals means better odds of winning right? I think its just a small slump if he doesn’t have a good season this time expect a good one next.

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    • commandant says:

      a) Yes still developping. Last year he got sheltered minutes (easy matchups) This year he’s being asked to do more. He’ll adjust.

      b) Yes. Worth a decent prospect and pick. Yes I trade him for the right offer. I want a 1st + mid tier prospect, or 2nd + good prospect.

      c) Too small. Tinordi on the way.

      d) Collberg

      e) Goal scorers are streaky. When one goes in, he’ll score a bunch.

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  54. 24 Cups says:

    Reading the Miami Herald article, it seems the Panthers blew a tire just like Montreal did. Only difference was the Habs picked up two points.

    There’s no reason to not beat these guys tomorrow. Clemmensen started last night so I guess the Habs are looking at Theodore. I wonder if both kid lines will match up against each other.

  55. shiram says:

    Last night he was the only C to win a fair share of faceoffs, so his TOI was warranted by that. There’s not question that the second line C spot is up for grabs, hopefully this internal competition is benefitial.

  56. Mattyleg says:

    That’s right!
    Get rid of them all!
    They suck!
    Boo!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. OMG says:

    This is all nice. Easier said than done. If it was that easy don’t you think MB would have done it by now. Give us some suggestions.

    I say MB and his staff is off to a good start on rebuilding.
    The two Gally’s, Price, Pacioretty and PK here’s five good young players and when the vets contracts run out or via trade. The team is even gonna be better.

    Gotta have patience when rebuilding. Usually more losses than wins.

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    This Jorges you speak of, is he Mexican? If so, perhaps you mean Gomez and we already got rid of him. If you do indeed mean Gorges, can you please provide us with a realistic trade scenario which benefits the Habs?

  59. Kooch7800 says:

    wow, glad you are not the GM

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  60. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah!
    Let’s draft basketball players!
    (they’re tall. I read that somewhere)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    Size queen.

  62. Mr. Biter says:

    I have now come to the conclusion there is not one player on this team that all posters think deserves to play for the current Habs.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Price you would think, but that Slovakian goalie screwed that up. :)

  64. Habfan10912 says:

    Gomez! Oh wait. Nevermind. :)

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  65. commandant says:

    You want to replace a guy who was instrumental in two goals last game? And has made very few mistakes this year, taken very few penalties, and been on the ice for very few goals against?

    Go Habs Go!
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  66. Luke says:

    It won’t make a difference. You are removing the last guy on the depth chart and inserting the guy two spots below him.

    Thinking that swapping the 12th forward for the 14th is going to correct anything is bizarre…

  67. HabinBurlington says:

    Armstrong has received a great deal of flak on this site. I was never a big fan of his, but he has been a decent NHL player for about 6 seasons now. He played little last season due to injuries and fell out of favour with the Leafs. He has done a good job of being a responsible 4th line winger as you point out Ben. He doesn’t bring the brawn many want on the 4th line, but is responsible. He may eventually get replaced, but for the time being is doing a good job at a decent pay grade by NHL standards.

  68. Cal says:

    Must be a group of roaming “fans” that keep repeating how “terrible” Armstrong, -or their nickname for him -Armpit, is. He is the worst Hab ever ’cause he doesn’t score, you know.

  69. Strummer says:

    I agree with you man.
    I don’t understand why people obsess on the 4th liners especially Armstrong when the top 3 lines are not playing up to their potential and paychecks.

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  70. Loonie says:

    He makes some really weird decisions on the penalty kill now and then but otherwise I agree, he’s been very good.

  71. Sportfan says:

    Armstrong has the the Gomez or Daigle effect drafted really high but wasn’t as good as they thought decent numbers but not fantastic and yes he played with Crosby

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  72. Habsrule1 says:

    Seems like a no-bainer to me.

    Go Habs Go!!

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  73. Habfan10912 says:

    Hey Habsolutely. Will you be at the game tomorrow?

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  74. HabFab says:

    And there are some that others would like to shove their heads….

  75. Habfan10912 says:

    You sir are a good friend. CHeers.

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  76. wjc says:

    ‘EVERYONE’… ‘EVERYONE’……habsfanmtl, think about what you are saying. You are saying ‘EVERYONE’ is saying he is ‘useless’.

    How can you have the nerve and the gall to pretend to know what ‘everybody’ thinks about anything.

    Totally ridiculous and to pretend to know what ‘EVERYBODY’ is thinking or saying. There is no such thing as ‘EVERYBODY’, just stick to your own personal opinion by saying “this is what I think”, you lose credibility when you try to speak for ‘everybody’.

    wjc

  77. Strummer says:

    my point exactly

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