Therrien tinkers with lines; no NHL discipline for Leafs’ Grabovski

Canadiens coach Michel Therrien tinkered with his lines again at practice on Monday morning in Brossard after Saturday’s embarrassing 6-0 loss to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Desharnais-Pacioretty-Cole line that led the Canadiens in offence last season has been re-jigged. Forward Brandon Prust played with David Desharnais and Erik Cole at practice, while Max Pacioretty was paired up with rookies Alex Galchenyuk and Brendan Gallagher.

“Obviously with Desharnais’s line we don’t have the result that we’re looking for,” Therrien said after practice.

“We gave those guys a lot of chances. We spoke to those guys and they know where we’re (coming from),” Therrien said, adding he hadn’t seen much chemistry on that line during the last game.

It’s one of the reasons why they tried to make some changes and will hopefully get better results, he said.

Galchenyuk and Gallagher have a lot of speed, Therrien said. “And having a guy like Pacioretty will be tough to contain with their speed. He’s got size.”

Prust did a great job with the two rookies, Therrien said. “He’s a tough guy to play against and maybe this is what Desharnais and Cole need – you know, a true leader on the ice.”

After the loss to the Leafs, Cole sent a text message to his teammates on a group chat that he set up during the National Hockey League lockout. He wrote that all teams will face a difficult time. The Canadiens are in the midst of one right now and it’s up to them to get themselves out of it. 

Cole said he also told his teammates that he plans on being a lot better and to help be part of the solution.

Pacioretty said he wasn’t looking at the line change as a demotion but rather as a change of scenery.

“It’s not working,” Paciorettey said. “The team needs something different. I’ve been under-achieving. My linemates have been under-achieving. The chemistry didn’t seem like it’s there right now. We haven’t helped the team win.

“I can just speak for myself personally: I’ve got to be better,” Pacioretty added.

After practice, the Canadiens headed to Florida, where they’ll play the Tampa Bay Lightning on Tuesday (7:30 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN 690 Radio) and the Panthers on Thursday.

At this juncture of the season, Therrien wishes the Canadiens had a slightly better record because of how they’ve played.

“I thought we played a solid game against the Bruins. I thought we played a decent game against Buffalo. We were in a great position to win that hockey game,” he said, referring to last week’s games. “And obviously (Saturday’s match)…was a tough one.”

The team is still in a good position, Therrien said. “It’s going to be tight until the end of the year and…we all understand that.”

“We’ve got to get back to the winning streak tomorrow,” he added. “That’s the way we see it.”

The NHL announced on Monday afternoon that the Maple Leafs’ Mikhail Grabovski would not face supplemental discipline for allegedly biting Pacioretty on the arm during Saturday’s fight-filled game. Here’s the official statement:

“Following a telephone hearing conducted this morning, the National Hockey League’s Department of Player Safety has decided not to assess Supplemental Discipline to Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mikhail Gravovski for an incident that occurred during NHL Game No. 160 Saturday night in Montreal.

“After interviewing both players involved in the incident and reviewing all of the available video and medical reports, the League could not determine conclusively that Grabovski bit Montreal forward Max Pacioretty.

“The Department of Player Safety has concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to support imposing Supplemental Discipline.”

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1,018 Comments

  1. Ozmodiar says:

    I’ve heard the names of heavyweights being tossed around here, and I’m a bit surprised I haven’t heard these guys being mentioned:

    Brian Boyle:
    - former teammate of Prust
    - a center, and upgrade over White
    - has been scratched from the line-up by Torts this year

    Patrick Bordeleau:
    - Col could use a puck moving defenseman (Weber)
    - he’s a homeboy

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      I would love Boyle, been a fan since his first season in the NHL, I would say he’s worth one of those 2nd rounders we have.

      Go Habs Go

      • bwoar says:

        Both guys would be very welcome, but a 2nd rounder for Boyle? No.

        “thoroughbred”

        • Ozmodiar says:

          I *think* he landed in NY for a 3rd. Maybe something like a 3rd + White or prospect.

          I doubt any of this happens, but if I were MB, these would be my 1st 2 phone calls.

          • bwoar says:

            Correct, 3rd rounder. I’d keep White and send them a 3rd right back. He hasn’t massively upped his value, maybe you’d have to include a Nokeleinen or Blunden with that. We’d be taking on the bigger salary.

            “thoroughbred”

        • dorvalhabsfan says:

          I would say he is, as he would keep our team big, he’s a pretty good skater for someone his size, has a respectable defensive game, and can contribute offensively … He’s no one knockout punch kind of guy, but i would not want a 2nd rounder going to a fighter.. he has intangibles MTL needs (size and grit), and as far as D goes, it is a teachable knowledge.. willingness to go into corners or standing in front of the net, are not as easily taught.

          This is why in my opinion, he would be worth a second rounder

          Go Habs Go

    • jols101 says:

      Just googled Brian Boyle. Watched some of his fights. He is the punching bag other team’s tough guys use to warm up for a real fight.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Boyle was also badly concussed by Neil last year and has been shaky ever since. For the same reason the Habs have no confidence from getting beat up all the time, Boyle lost his.

  2. GordC says:

    How about trade Eller for some toughness . He’s not a shutdown forward he needs ice time and he won’t get it in montreal . Galchenyuk and Gallagher are ahead of him now .

  3. dorvalhabsfan says:

    I miss Staubitz…

    Go Habs Go

  4. kmachabs27 says:

    Cherry, Milburry, and Keith Jones all said patches was at fault in the biting incident hahahahaahahahaaa what a fiasco of panelists we have in the nhl its an absolute joke. I wonder what cherry would have said if patches bit grabovski or someone on the bruins, or if Subban bit grabovski it would be a 5 game suspension.

    • Whatever says:

      Take pride in the fact that as the winningest franchise in the history of hockey, there is a lot of envy, jealousy and pure hatred for our hockey club and it oozes out ever chance they get.

      I won’t trade the joy of being a fan of this club just to be able to mindlessly agree with the incessant vitriol of celebrity pinheads.

  5. frontenac1 says:

    Grabo gets a pass? Don’t worry amigos. Some Good Old Boy somewhere in the league will take that Russian puke out this year. Bank on it. Girls bite, not Hockey Players.

  6. habsolutely416 says:

    try as hard as possible to trade DD and gionta..maybe the devils would take gio..gonna be hard to trade DD. cole seem uninterested this year..maybe he should have retired. his heart isnt in it like last year.

    ill be in the slot ;)

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    I think I am a glutton for punishment. Completely forgot I told my nephew I would take him to the Toronto vs. Hamilton AHL game tomorrow night. If the Marlies lay a beat down on the Dogs, I may not get over Skyway bridge sepearting Hamilton from Burlington…. The nephew will be in his Leafs jersey.

  8. Dr.Rex says:

    I bit a guy’s arm once………………… I was 5

  9. ont fan says:

    Hey maybe Sat. was one of those team building games. Everybody out there scraping together, taking some bruises and bites for each other. You know, just maybe.

  10. shiram says:

    Habs get 4 more minutes of penalty kill per game than the next closest team. Habs lead in minor penalties. are third for major and tied second for game misconduct (granted that’s only one).
    Compounded with a team that can’t win near half of their faceoff it leads to a team chasing the puck alot, and wears down the special teams, and also messes up the TOI given to players.

    Discipline, just like last year, could be one major downfall of the Habs.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Very telling figures. Yikes.

    • Loonie says:

      The obvious downfall being that the penalty kill is terrible.

      Improve it and this team is much better.

      It’s so disorganized that it’s almost comical at this point in my opinion. The thought process must be that chaos will confuse the opponent.

      It’s really that bad.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Do we have the kind of guys to play a Bruins style PK (or 2012 Rangers), ie always pressuring the puck?

        It’s very high-energy. However, combined with an increase in discipline and therefore fewer penalties, surely it’s the way to go. If you have the guys.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        If only they could use last year’s PK system…

    • Habfan17 says:

      Great points!! Cut the penalties in half and increase the faceoff wins by 10% and it should make a huge difference!

      Habfan17

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The major problem, by far, is the face-off situation. If the Habs had more puck possesion, they would have less penalties and would kill them off easier.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      In the case of the Habs, it’s adding insult to injury.

      Not only are they labelled as “soft” and “small” (I really don’t see how that’s the case compared to the hypothetical league average), but they’re also the most penalized team, which doesn’t seem intuitive.

      The Leafs, on the other hand, enjoy (or frequently do) the best PP to penalty differential in the league, and really aren’t all that different in their Top 9 than the Habs. Their defense is almost definitely softer than the Habs’.

  11. Twillingater says:

    Just like there was not alot of sufficient evidence to support imposing Supplemental Discipline to Chara on the hit to Max either!

    \”Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing\”

  12. FWIW: Bleacher Report ranks MTL the 3rd toughest team in the league.

    I certainly wouldn’t agree, but we probably look softer than we are because we’re in a particularly tough division, physically. Toronto leads the league in hits, Boston is #10, we’re #11 and Buffalo is #12.

    Telling stat about our division: in major penalties, Toronto is #2 in the league, Montreal is #3, Boston is #4 and Buffalo is #5.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Phil C says:

      From Freidman’s thirty thoughts:

      21. I don’t know if every Toronto-Montreal game will turn into the wild scene we saw last Saturday, but Maple Leafs head coach Randy Carlyle won’t be unhappy with it. In five full seasons as head coach in Anaheim, the lowest his Ducks finished in major penalties was eighth. They led the league once and were in the top five every other year. He wants that aggressiveness. It played a big part in Anaheim’s 2007 Stanley Cup championship.

  13. jedimyrmidon says:

    The game of hockey is interesting. Since it combines speed and skill with grit and toughness, people tend to become divided on what their favourite hockey team should look like.

    I’m personally of the opinion that the grit and toughness elements can easily be overrated by fans because then it doesn’t become a matter of winning the game by scoring more goals, but more of a schoolyard fight mentality: they place the team’s worth on being able to come out having won the fight despite not winning on the scoresheet. And it makes them feel better, a feeling that even though they didn’t win, they still came out looking dignified [in an aspect that never really impacted the outcome that mattered anyways].

    When the Habs play and things are still about outscoring the other team, I don’t see them getting intimidated or backing down physically. If that were the case, then it would be a problem, but it isn’t, so I don’t think MB needs to urgently get that guy who can play hockey reasonably well, but is tough and can beat an opponent down.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think Grit is very important as you need to go to the dirty areas in tight games like in the playoffs. I am not sure how this current roster would fair in the playoffs

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Oh yes, for sure grit is important. Being able to go into the dirty areas, battle it out and emerge with the puck is important. So is clearing out the crease. Or some forwards being able to forecheck heavily.

        I guess what I’m referring to is the overreaction some people have when thugs like Orr and McLaren make the Habs look “soft”. It’s not about the game anymore, but getting players that are able to play down to the level of those goons and “win” against them, even though what they do doesn’t have an impact on the scoresheet.

        Chances are, knock on wood, that Orr and McLaren will not be as “useful” (i.e. rubbing salt into wounds) at any other time this season.

        And I also like the Habs’ chances in the playoffs A LOT better than the Leafs.

        • Whatever says:

          I don’t feel better if we lose the game, but win a fight.

          I want our players to feel more confident and secure so they can go play their games.

          I will stick to my opinion that Orr doesn’t go after Plekanec if we had a deterent. Not that Orr is afraid of getting beat up, he has been regularly by the guy I want, but that he and his coach might be afraid that if they start that crap they will also lose one or more skilled players from their team.

          Don’t poke the bear works in two directions Jack Edwards and Glenn Healey.

      • Timo says:

        Truculence is way more important.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Seriously, we probably need a glossary to cover this topic. Grit, sandpaper, enforcer/goon, etc etc. I think different posters understand different things when they read/write some of these terms.

        If grit means having guys who can compete in the corners and in front of the crease, I’m all for it.

        If it means the guy you reserve for putting manners on the other team’s hard men, that’s a culture I’d prefer to see my team resisting.

  14. Chuck says:

    I’ve been laid-up with a weird gastrointestinal virus that’s kept me out of action for the better part of a week, but now I’m back at it. What did I miss? A 6-point week for the Habs, I presume?

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  15. Loonie says:

    Busch is better than Molson too.

  16. Sportfan says:

    This is just a dream, but what would it cost the Habs to get David Backes?

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  17. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …over on the Turdronto Sports Network is a montage of not one hockey play of that memorable last game, but every punch, bitch slap, bite, and general abuse the Weeds laid on Our Habs shown in 3D up-close video splendor

    …it is absolute pornographic violence, and should be x-rated …doesn’t TSN realize children are watching ???

    …WHERE ??? is their sense of social responsibility ??? :(

    • Bill says:

      A TV network’s sense of social responsibility? LOL.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      It’s going to be painful watching hockey games on any network other than RDS for the next while…. They’re going to revel in that game and milk it for all its worth.

      I bet when the Leafs were pounded 7-0 and 8-0 by the Bruins, the highlights from those games were archived away ASAP.

  18. rhino514 says:

    What kind of sorcery spell has Lars Eller´s mom put on the HIO commentariat?
    this group is ruthless and unforgiving about EVERYONE else. One bad loss and Gionta, Cole and Markov are too old, DD sucks, Plekanec is a poor excuse for a top three centre, The D is too soft, Emelin plays out of position, Gorges is not big enough, Bouillon is too old, Subban is erratic.
    But Eller, o dear! if ONLY he would just. get. a chance. He is the cure for all the world´s troubles. All would be well if we just let whitey play big minutes. Open the seas for him for he is Forsberg reborn!
    Whitey, for some reason which i can´t explain, is completely immune to the attacks made on all our other dear habs. No matter happens, Lars should play. All would be well if Therrien, JM, Bergevin, Gauthier, Cunney could just see that. They are all wrong! Let him loose! He isn´t fragile, he isn´t immature, he´s damn ready to lead us to the Promised Land!

  19. UOGHabsFan says:

    Hello all,

    I’ve only posted two or three times, I check the site pretty much every day though.

    I was looking at some of Cole’s past numbers. Last year, through 11 games, the guy went 2g, 2a, -4, playing about 15 mins. He then went on to score nearly a point per game through the next 3 months, steadily increasing his ice time.

    The year before that he had only 11 points in the first 36 games, playing about 17 minutes, following a season where he was plagued by injuries. He then went nearly a point per game for the rest of the season.

    This year he has 2g, 2a, +/- 0, and is playing about 15 minutes.

    Some people think he has lost interest, or has no desire. I’m thinking it just takes him a while to get his legs going. Although, hopefully it doesn’t take him 36 games. Just being optimistic.

    I also think pairing him with Eller would be beneficial for both players.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      You are correct. He always has slow starts. I remember last year I think everyone was blown away about how bad he was the first 1o plus games

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good post.
      Not everybody’s internal timetable matches the club’s, so hopefully that’s all that’s wrong with Cole.
      He did NAIL someone behind the Leafs net on Saturday. Guys who are mailing it in don’t do that.

    • Habfan17 says:

      he does typically have slow starts and last season he also had to deal with Martin’s bone head decision to not give hm power play time, that is until a reporter called him on it!

      I do see a difference in his play on the ice this season, which is why I am concerned it is more than just his typical slow start. I hope the last game opened his eyes and we see the Cole from last season going forward. If he is still leaning toward retirement at the end of the season, I say trade him at the deadline for something so he is not lost. Maybe if he is traded, he will play out the rest of his contract and Bergevin can get a 2nd round pick for him…or better depending on how he is playing.

      Habfan17

  20. Habziefan09 says:

    The next leafs game at the Bell Centre, fans should bring dog bones, kibbles & bits and chew toys for Grabovski. I mean if stupid fans can throw bananas on the Ice for one player (which is completely despicable and sad) why not eh?

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  21. Habfan17 says:

    I am jumping on the Hobbie bandwagon and think we should trade Eller, DD and Weber for Steve McIntyre, that will win the Habs a lot of fights and it will certainly stop the Lucic’s and Orr’s of the NHL from pulling cowardly bulland taking dirty runs at the better players.

    Toronto has 3 “goons” so that if they want to take a run at someone, they can do it while the other team’s goon is on the bench. Even using your logic Hobbie, the dmagae is already done by the time the Habs goon retaliates.

    Habfan17

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Frig that…go for Grabovsky. He takes a bite out of crime!

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • The Cat says:

      Got to toughen up a bit, habs arent doing well in divisional games so far.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Bill says:

      Three actual hockey players for MacIntyre? We’re getting ripped off trading any one of those guys for him.

      You know he’s in the minors, right? He’d have to clear reentry waivers to be traded, in which case any other team could pick him off for free.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I don’t think I mentioned McIntyre once? Way to make up stuff!

      Silly boy.

      What I did say, is I would would trade Desharnais, Diaz and Weber for Dubinsky and Boll without even thinking twice about it.

      I think most other people with half a brain would too?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      John Scott played in nets once in high school.
      Price for Scott? Good for crease-clearing.

    • Whatever says:

      Steve MacIntyre was on waivers because Pittsburgh has Englland. He can be had for a very low pick. Where’s the harm?

      Steve MacIntyre would play less than 5 minutes. Where’s the harm?

      Steve MacIntyre would take the roster spot when needed of Armstrong, White or even Moen. Where’s the harm?

      And yes, there are benefits to this type of player besides goon on goon faceoff fights. You get more respect. You get more confident teammates. You get pride.

  22. Sportfan says:

    SO before the lock out ended I said if we lost the whole season we’d have a good shot at a top draft pick if they kept the same standings or do what they did with the Crosby Draft. Now with the season full on I said If we don’t make the playoffs this season then I rather be at the bottom then the middle. In the end though I am much happier with playoffs.

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  23. shiram says:

    Don’t players wear mouth guards? I guess he bit with only his lower teeth or something?? Weird stuff and another reason for players to wear full cage masks!

  24. Loonie says:

    Eller is better than Desharnais
    We need wins not blood
    And patience instead of haste

  25. Hobie Hansen says:

    Dubinsky and Boll to Montreal for Desharnais, Diaz and Weber.

    One can always dream.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I can’t see Columbus moving him already. Are they not already stacked on D as well?

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Whatever says:

      No thanks. But, I’d be very interested in what it would take to get Chris Stewart and don’t mind losing a 6th round pick for Steve MacIntyre.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hobie I’m not interested in Dubinsky because I have a different vision of the Habs and hockey from yours.

      But if we park that difference I can ask you about trading Diaz. He has exceeded expectations and looks steady where there are question marks over Markov and Emelin (and Weber and Kaberle are of little value). Wouldn’t it be playing with fire to trade him?

  26. Kooch7800 says:

    Found a cool website for line combo’s from the past

    http://www.leftwinglock.com/line-combos/index.php?season=2011&team=MTL&strength=EV&playertype=F&gametype=ALL#A

    Last year JM had Lars eller centering Max and cole for a few games

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Loonie says:

      Isn’t that a percentage of total ice time and not of games?

      Useful stat for analysis but that 1.06% would probably come out to something like 10 minutes total.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I remember them last season trying to get him going at the start for a few games in the top six. I am assuming it is a couple of games considering 19% would be the Max -DD – Cole like and that was like 40 plus games if not more.

        That is an assumption though as it doesn’t quantify it anywhere

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  27. Strummer says:

    from Elliot Friedman’s 30 thoughts on how tough it is to get a handle on your players so far:

    “7. It’s interesting to hear executives talk about some of the struggling teams. “This is a tough year to make an honest appraisal of your group,” one said. “Everything is so screwed up by the lockout.” Players showed up in different degrees of conditioning and the injury situation is already ugly. As you can imagine, there are coaches, GMs and players who feel they will be unfairly judged by this 48-game mess. ”

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  28. HabinBurlington says:

    Safe to say White has at least one more game of penance to be paid?

  29. Sportfan says:

    Change of scenery could help, watch patchs get his first goal of the season. As for Cole I truly believe he will turn it around like he said we’ll see tomorrow how the Habs play.

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  30. H.Upmann says:

    I hope i`m misreading it, but that`s an unbelievable comment from MT: He’s a tough guy to play against and maybe this is what Desharnais and Cole need – you know, a true leader on the ice.”
    Oh well, everyone gets their turn to be thrown under the bus at some point

    • Habsrule1 says:

      FFS stop picking on every little thing. So, he thinks they need someone who leads on the ice. Should the players get upset over everything like some fans do?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Bill says:

      Which is worse, saying that Cole and DD need a real leader with them, or the implication that Max is not one?

      Im guessing he wasn’t thinking, but you’re right, that is some statement!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  31. habsgod says:

    after cooling off and re-focusing from that embarassing,and disgraceful performance from our habs……..i like the direction this team is heading but bergevin must address the heavyweight issue on this team and add one gauthier didn’t have one gainey did but it didn’t last long and teams took liberties with our best players it’s time to go and get steve macintyre or george parros their presence alone in the lineup on this team would do wonders! i wonder how eager meat head orr or , fraser ,maclaren in toronto would be droping the gloves with macintyreor parros in the line up they wouldn’t they’d yap alot but wouldn’t fight them they’d have lucic syndrome when georges laraque asked him to fight and he turned coward quickly! we need this type of guy on our team! the teams that we’ve had in the 70′s,80′s and some of the 90′s had one of these type of players my favoruite all-time figtter is chris knucles nilan! sure wish we had him he would’ve whipped orr ,maclaren or frasers ass! prust is tough and like him alot be he’s not a true heavyweight !

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Do we really need a heavyweight who plays 3 minutes? I think if we have enough good middleweights we can still push hard.
      The lack of a heavyweight had very little if anything to do with the loss on Saturday. If we had scored more goals than them, nobody would care about the lack of a heavyweight. The thing is Nilan was not a heavyweight. He just fought like one.
      We need a couple guys who can fight and play the game. We also need our best players to be our best players. I’m talking mainly to Cole, Pacioretty and Desharnais.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I’d rather have a heavyweight than reserves who never play. A guy who plays once and a while 3 minutes per game is better than guys that play 0 min/game. I’m against fighting but I don’t write the rules. MT must be frustrated as hell with having only Webber, Kaberle and Nokia as reserves. Moen and Armstrong, for starters, should be benched for hanging out their teamates to dry. The only guy he has left to sub in is White and he has his issues. If MB does not believe in heavyweights, fine. Then go get some more players with grit who can play regularly. At least trade Webber…he has no place on this team anymore.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I agree they should address the softness. Getting some toughr players would be awesome. I guess a 3 minute heavyweight may not be the worst thing they could do. Preferably they could find one that could play the game a little, but those are hard to come by.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • habsgod says:

        we need a heavyweight prust can fight but doesn’t win alot of them macintyre or parros will curb alot of that junk that took place on saturday nigh tnilan for all intence and purposes was a heavyweight and was the toughest fighter in the league we need one i don’t care if he plays 3 minutes or not we had a few middle weight prust and moen and they did very little moen turned yellow and hid when orr ran plekanec macintyre or parros would’ve beat his ass badly and sent a good message and the next time we played tem they wouldn’t have done much or would’ve been healhty scratches.habsrule it’s just my opinion but we need that type of enforcer! i for one do not wanna see gorges,gallagher or somebody hurt in a fight standing up to heavyweights like this or dirty cheapshot artists like colton orr

    • Habfan17 says:

      Do you remember Georges Laraque? That worked out so well!

      Habfan17

    • The Cat says:

      It is a heavyweight issue but its also the culture. Theres too much of a do-gooder culture in Montreal. A culture of the powerplay is the be-all end-all. Had White not done anything, hed have been scolded later on down the road for not defending his teammates ie needing an invitation etc. Take care of business, do what you have to do….Dont take a bite and cry to the ref, whack him one.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  32. Habsrule1 says:

    I like Eller but so far I have seen very little evidence that he is better than DD. I really hope he keeps getting his chances and shows he can be as good. With his size, he would be a great asset if he can be consistent.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • bwoar says:

      Not sure if you’re trolling, actually.

      Eller can be used in 3 phases of the game, that alone puts him above DD in my books. Eller can carry a puck up-ice. He can actually dangle in the zone and make a pass. And forecheck decently.

      DD is a great passer, but he needs wingers that are performing at a high level to cover up some of the weaker parts of his game.

      Neither wins their faceoffs consistently to date. Overall the edge is with Eller in my opinion. I like Desharnais, nothing against him. But even working his hardest, I don’t think he can repeat his numbers from last year. Eller on the other hand has room to grow.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Trolling? WTF?

        As I said, I like Eller. I don’t think I’m the only person who finds he’s a little inconsistent, am I?

        Recently, he has shown some good play and I hope he keeps it up. I found that last year, DD playes really good every game, every shift. I know it’s unfair to eller that he hasn’t had consistent, good linemates, but I can only judge from what I have seen from him.
        Again, I hope Eller gets a fair chance and he shows more consistentcy.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Habfan17 says:

      I guess you missed the last 3 games and the NHL season that DD had at age 22, oh yes, he didn;t play in the NHL at age 22.

      Couldn’t resist since some guys don’t seem to want to give Eller his due. In all fairness, scoring 16 goals at 22 years old while playing out of position and with grinders is pretty good. I wonder if DD would have done as well in that same situation?

      Eller is also much better in the face off circle than DD this season.

      Habfan17

      • HardHabits says:

        Ignore HR1. He’s the head Hab-pologist here. He doesn’t have nuts, instead he has two little pom-poms dangling between his legs.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          OMFG….I haven’t even commented on a post of yours in ages. Love when someone disagrees then insults. You’re real tough hiding behind the net HH.

          He of “let’s tank for (insert flavor of the month here)”. As long as you want them to lose, you can never be dissapointed when they do.

          Just because I try to be the voice of reason with many people freaking out over every loss, don’t start with the insults.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Eller has all the tools to succeed. I doubt the last 3 coaches all dislike him. He’s an inconsistent worker and that’s what has to change for him to get his real chance, and I think it may be changing now.
        I would definitely prefer to keep Eller over DD but Eller needs to be consistent regardless of who he plays with to get his chance.
        As far as his 16 goals, I think it was a great season.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      The thing about DD is that he needs a bit of time and space to do his thing. If he gets this, he’s more creative offensively than Eller. But he is no longer getting that for whatever reason, so he has been effectively neutralized. In every aspect aside from that mentioned above, Eller is the better option IMO.

  33. Dust says:

    Rough day at work today. Living an hour from Toronto I was getting razzed all day about the game. I gave them their day of glory though. I mean they are leaf fans, and to be honest with you, they haven’t had much to cheer about in years.

  34. Mavid says:

    nothing for the bite..not surprised

    • habs-hampton says:

      Maybe if we could find a pencil Grabofski chewed on, Shanny could find a dentist and compare the pencil to Max’s gnarled arm?

    • Dust says:

      I am actually less upset about the bite than i am at Orr taking a serious run at Pleks Knee. IF he had connected, and at the speed he was charging at, that could have been career threatening. THat was super dirty to me. The bite by grabo was stupid, but i mean, IT wouldnt have done serious damage

    • habsfan0 says:

      I wonder if the League consulted with the medical personnel who administered the tetanus shot to Pacioretty. Surely they would have seen telltale signs of teeth marks. There is your “conclusive evidence” Shanahan.

      • Luke says:

        Actually it’s not conclusive. It proves at some point Pacioretty was bitten. It does not prove by whom.

      • commandant says:

        The Habs sent in pictures of his arm. Clearly they should show the bite marks. What the league is basically saying is that they can’t prove the marks came from Grabovski.

        So as far as I can tell here are the two theories

        1) Patches bit himself (or got a teammate/trainer, etc… to bite him in the dressing room).
        2) Patches then got in a scrum with the Leafs and intentionally placed his arm near the mouth of a Leaf.
        3) That Leaf appears to pull the arm closer for a bite, but isn’t really.
        4) Patches shows the previous bite marks from intermission or whenever to the ref. Grabovski is kicked out.
        5) the Habs send the pictures to shanahan, in an insidious plot to get Grabo suspended.

        Or Theory 2

        1) Grabovski bit Pacioretty.

        The NHL (lack of) player safety committee found that in their infinite wisdom (ie lets call Jeremy Jacobs and do what he tells us) that they couldn’t rule out that Pacioretty might do an elaborate and sinister plot to get someone suspended.

        In fact, in reviewing their records there was the whole incident where he hurt himself jumping into a stanchion and tried to blame it on Chara, so the guy clearly has no credibility.

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        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Theory 2 — Perfect!
          Except it wasn’t the player safety committee, it was the Orthodontal Delinquency Tribunal.

          Chairman?

          Dr Recchi

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          It’s just ridiculous that a guy would accuse another of biting him, and that the NHL wouldn’t believe him, after a fashion.

          It’s not like a slash, hook or hold. Biting incidents are so rare that the guy who accuses the other probably isn’t lying. It would be such a random fabrication to accuse another guy of biting him.

          Okay, sure, it’s not hard evidence, but I’m pretty sure the photos would be conclusive enough. This in turn means that the league simply chose to ignore the evidence.

  35. habsnyc says:

    Instead of debating Eller or DD, maybe the answer is to trade them both (plus Weber?) to the Blue Jackets for Dubinsky. The Jackets get two young solid players and save some payroll and Montreal gets a gritty center who can play up and down the lineup.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      That’d be a typical terrible move of the Gainey/Gauthier regime. No offense.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Habfan17 says:

      That is too much to give up for Dubinsky. Then we would also have to watch Eller blossom on a team that actually gave him a chance

      Habfan17

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Eller is just that, a blossom. He ain’t going to amount to anything.

        He’s going to eventually get traded, score 20 goals somewhere and people like you are going to act like we traded away Mario Lemieux.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I have never said he was the second coming of Mario Tremblay let aolne Mario Lemieux. I do think he is better than DD and it would be a mistake to trade him.

          Were you a sweat hog by chance, it seems you have a hard time comprehending what you read!

          Habfan17

    • Cal says:

      Columbus would part with Umberger, but not Dubinsky. Apparently Umberger scored his first of the season last night.

  36. frontenac1 says:

    Tough guys wouldn’t have helped Sat. Night? Are you Kidding? What about Pride?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Don’t waste your time frontenac1. I’ve been trying to talk sense into them all day. This site would rather the Sedins than guys like Getzlaf or Backes.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Absolutely beaten down in every phase of the game but the common take away is we’re not tough enough, I don’t get it either.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Habfan17 says:

      Oh yeah, pride, my tough guy beat up your tough guy, what is this, kindergarden? pride is sticking it to them on the scoreboard and handing them a lose.

      Habfan17

      • Whatever says:

        That’s a very narrow view. Like saying I don’t want Stamkos because he doesn’t pass enough. There is more to it than a staged goon on goon fight at a faceoff. There’s protection of a habitually small team and intimidation.

        Want to impact the game? As coach I’d tell Steve MacIntyre to beat the crap out of Orr for running our best forward. After that, skate to the Toronto bench and yell, “Hey Randy, tell Phil to keep his head up.” Betcha Phil has a very boring game.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I don’t agree, it is the NHL that needs to get the crap put of hockey.
          If they actually applied the rules, there would be no enforcers.

          It is not the same at all with your example of Stamkos, he actually wins you games and has skill.

          beating the crap out of Orr would do nothing, This nnsense has been going on for decades and continues to do so. All that would accomplish is the Leafs would get their “enforcers” to pound the crap out of a bunch of Habs the next time, and to what end, It does not deter anything.

          You want to stop it, fine the team $100 grand anytime one of their players starts a fight and suspend the player for 10 games and not allow the team to replace his roster spot for those 10 games.

          Do you also think it is cool that when a player throws a perfect legal check and takes a player out that the other team goes after him to fight? That is such candy ass nonsense. There is hitting in hockey and a player making a clean hit should not have to fight some “goon” for doing his job.

          Habfan17

          • Whatever says:

            But the league won’t do anything! Our player has teeth marks on his arm and video of his arm near another player’s mouth and they STILL won’t do anything. How many games did Chara get?

            Don’t rely on the league. Look after yourself.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Well articulated, and I agree.

            Down to money — owners see UFC numbers, want a piece of that action. So last thing they’ll ever do is clean up the game.

            Sometimes the tension between posters on these threads isn’t really between pro- and anti-fighting/enforcers/goons etc, but between those who believe dirty play can be removed/dramatically reduced in the game (cf Olympic hockey) and those who believe that will never happen and therefore success only comes when you play NHL hockey as it it currently regulated. Marchand punching Sedin in the face 7 times while the refs looked on and did nothing sums it up. Also the league taking no new measures when its posterboy Crosby was nearly forced by dirty play into early retirement.

            Big topic! Anyway, let’s see how Patches gets on with the Gs.
            Cheers

    • shiram says:

      Pride?? Really, the lowliest of NHL players, the thugs and goons will decide on your pride?
      “We got beat in all apsects of the game, but we punched that one guy real good!”
      If you can’t beat them on the scoreboards, beating them elsewhere does not matter.

  37. veryhabby says:

    When it comes to Eller…there are only 4 center spots. I like the kid, I think he can be a VERY good 3rd liner and hope habs have enough depth that he isn’t needed on the 2nd in the near future!

    I think since his benching that he is getting fair chance. I mean there are worst 4th liners then Moen/Armstrong. Remember Moen was good enough to play 2 line last year! LOL. You don’t expect that line to score much, but they should eat up minutes in the O zone with some hard work. And they should be good in the D zone. They shoud not be a liablity when on the ice. and Eller is also seeing PK time. So that’s good. So at end of day, as a fan of Eller, I am not that upset about his use right now.

    If we want him on a “higher” line then it has to be at wing. But I think it’s important to play him at center right now. So he is playing with defensive wingers and on PK. Sounds like habs have a plan for the kid. Moen/Eller/Armstrong can even be a 3rd line on alot of teams. I have a feeling he is just happy to be on the ice and part of the team. It’s not like he is getting benched, 5 min a game, or playing only with goons as wingers.

    • Dust says:

      I disagree. DD should be on the fourth line and Eller should be playing with Cole on the third line. Why is DD getting a pass. Why is he deserving of a scoring winger and Eller is not. Why is DD ahead of Eller on the depth chart right now based on play this year?

    • Habfan17 says:

      Eller was asked to play wing last season and it did not work out. He deserves a shot at 3rd line centre at the very least and he is a very good one, but I would say he will be a solid 2nd line two way centre. How many 23 year olds play the penalty kill and had 28 points, 16 goals, playing out of positon and with grinders at age 22. He did what he needed to do, he bulked up over the summer and played in all situations overseas during the strike scoring at a point a game pace. The kid has been one of the best, if not the best player on the team the last 3 games. He has the best winning percentage of the centres so far. How is that a 4th line player.

      The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. That is what putting Eller on the wing is doing, as is sticking him on the 4th line asking him to prove he is a top 6 player while playing with the likes of Armstrong and White!

      Give him at least 10 games at centre with either Patches and Cole, or the two Gally’s and then let’s see how he does!

      What will end up happening if Therrien keeps him on the 4th line or the wing is the same thing that Demers did with LeClair, take away his spirit and get him traded, where he will blossom for another team.

      Habfan17

    • dano58 says:

      I like DD but lets be honest it’s the french thing as to why he is still getting all the chances as Darche is not here this year and all the language issues last year.

      GO HABS GO!!!

      “Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one.”
      Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!

    • boing007 says:

      I think MT wants Eller to find a groove and work his way up at the moment, rather than insert him on a higher line.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  38. Steeltown Hab says:

    I read a french quote from Desharnais that translated to say (paraphrasing).

    It takes a year to build chemistry and 10 games to throw it away. Something about his sense of entitlement is really starting to piss me off. People throw around the word “proven” with him way too much. Plenty of 1 yr wonders in the NHL (Cheechoo, Raycroft, Svatos). Let’s not be naive and nab him as PROVEN considering he doesn’t have the luxury of speed, defensive ability, or size on his side, his results through 11 games should be concerning.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      God but you are boring.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      he isn’t a one hit wonder though did the half year before he played when he got called up not count?

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Habfan17 says:

        I guess I missed him on the final ballot for rookie of the year!

        Habfan17

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I guess I missed Ellers as well

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Habfan17 says:

            I never said Eller was a wonder, let alone a one year wonder! You are the one that said DD was not a one year wonder. He hasn’t proven anything yet either!

            Habfan17

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I disagree he hasn’t not proven anything. He put up over 60 points last year and helped make that top line click. The year before he was the best player playing on the third line from the all star game forward.

            Is Max P a one hit wonder than? I guess he hasn’t proven anything yet either than

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Your hanging onto 22 pts in 43 games?

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • Kooch7800 says:

          On the third line with crappy wingers ;)

          You guys keep talking about DD not earning anything. He didn’t start on the first line guys. He lead the AHL in scoring then was called up and played on the third line and was the top point player on the habs from the all star game on.

          Has he not played well so far in these 10 games…yup but don’t say he hadn’t earned anything.

          Eller played on the 3rd line and had 28 points all season.

          (edited)

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Kooch7800 says:

            DD’s line mates in 2010-11 –

            3rd line with Benny P and Darche
            4th line on the wing with White and Benny P

            Not exactly Steller.

            He did see some time on the Power play as well cause he showed his offense

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      DD has been poor so far.
      I for one, however, am not ready to dump him. I will honestly declare an interest, being a huge fan of Martin St L. I know, I know — but if DD could play even half as well as MSL, he’d hold his own.

      Steeltown, was it you who said below that Cole improves DD but not the other way round? There could be some truth in that (although I think it might be more Patches than Cole, DD and Patches having played junior together). Are there not parallels with MSL and Lecavalier?

      Furthermore, I simply don’t buy the language factor — sounds too much like anglophone paranoia to me. Hockey’s a business, success is what the business needs. If MT and MB are still taking DD seriously, it’s because they believe he can contribute to securing success, and nothing to do with his mother tongue.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Wasn’t me on the Cole vs DD, but DD is slow. MSL is particularly fast so the they’re opposites from that standpoint, I got nothing against small players. St louis also plays W, which I’m fine with trying DD out at because he can’t handle the defensive load of a Center playing top 6 minutes especially.

        For Habsrule1

        “Ca prend une saison pour construire quelque chose et 10 matchs pour jeter ca aux vidanges”

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Yup, agree about speed. I think Gio is faster. But I have seen him cause problems for certain kinds of defensemen, incl Chara. WOuld love to see that back.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Gio, Gallagher, Pac, Cole, White, Pleks, Eller, Bourque I can confidently say are all faster than 51.

            ———————————

            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • dano58 says:

        Really not a language issue. I like DD as much as anyone but his career year was last year and where was he at 22. Not in the NHL.
        Eller will succeed and I hope it is with us not someplace else.

        GO HABS GO!!!

        “Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one.”
        Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Do you have a link to that quote? Something tells me it got lost in translation. I doubt he would say that and expect to be on the team at all.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  39. HardHabits says:

    No worries. DD will bring us to the Holy Grail… the Draft Lottery!!!

  40. munch17 says:

    Last year Cole was a beast. He carried the puck with speed into opponent zone.
    He made DD a better player – I do not think that DD can make Cole a better player because he can’t carry the puck ( odd for a center).
    Eller can carry the puck and I think could complement Cole.
    I read earlier that Eller has not had chemistry and is too ” individualistic”.
    He had good chemistry with AK46 and needs to be given the chance to develop with wingers who can handle the puck ( Moen does not fall into that category).
    At present he is #3 on our center’s depth list if we agree that Gal27 is a future #1 center.

  41. Dunboyne Mike says:

    What’s this?

    “After the loss to the Leafs, Cole sent a text message to his teammates on a group chat that he set up during the National Hockey League lockout.”

  42. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I voted the Weeds will finish higher than We this season

    …I’m barfing as I type this

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  43. frontenac1 says:

    Will Boone be Live Blogging from Florida or is off on that island monkeying around with that showgirl?

  44. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are a meritocracy only up until the point of them being an ethnocracy. Being French-Canadien trumps being bigger and/or more talented.

  45. Habfan17 says:

    I don’t understand why Therrien did not move Desharnais to the wing on the 4th line, put White back in at centre, and put Eller with either Cole and Patches or the two Gally’s. I could see trying to light a fire under Patches and Cole putting Prust at centre, I think Eller’d speed and craetivity would be better.

    I thought it was ridiculous when Martin made them play dump and chase, now Therrien is doing it. I would much rather see the Hab hold onto the puck and turn back at the opposing teams blue line and play keep away between the bluelines until they create an opening than watch players cramming against the boards, cycling in the corners. Especially since around80% of the time, the Habs don’t get it back with Gionta, DD, and Pleks.

    I looked up cycling the puck in Webster’s dictionary and the definition read. ” A hockey move teams make when they do not have enough talent or skill to make passing and scoring plays”

    The definition for dump ins ”An Utterly stupid hockey play where a team gives away the puck by shooting it into the corner of the opposing team’s end and fighting to attempt to retrieve it. To give away what you already have just to have to fight to attempt to get it back”
    Especially silly during power plays.”

    Habfan17

    • dano58 says:

      DD is our only “token” french player. Not trying to be mean but with all the stuff that went on this past year about language issues they are staying away from him because of the fallout on the issue that will surely follow.

      GO HABS GO!!!

      “Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one.”
      Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!

    • boing007 says:

      100%.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  46. shiram says:

    The greatest fighter would not have won the Habs the game on saturday. No amount of truculence, grit or size can help out a team that comes out flat, can’t win faceoffs and acts undisciplined.

    The Gallys have been the only other scoring line outside of Pleks line and so I like the idea of giving them Patches, he is so much better than Prust and would pot in many opportunities that Prust would miss.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree. It just worries me when they expect two rookies to be in the top 6. Our third line with Cole, DD and Prust will be useless out there. Eller should be on the third line as he has more offense than Prust.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • shiram says:

        Eller has had his struggles as well, but he did good when playing with DD so that line could work.
        Obviously Therrien seems to be going in another way. I guess Prust will be making space for Cole and DD.
        In any case I would not expect these lines to hold for long.

    • Strummer says:

      I agree fighters would have been no help on saturday.
      There were no Leaf tough guys on the ice for the first 4 goals.
      Orr played 4:50
      Mclaren played 3:52.
      ______________________________________________________
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  47. Strummer says:

    Paciorietty was feeling hungry as he got on the plane.

    Not surprising as he hadn’t had a bite since Saturday.
    ______________________________________________________
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  48. HabinBurlington says:

    Question to the Ed Lopaz/Commandmant type guys on this site. Who appears to be the brightest power forward prospect in this years draft and where is he projected? Curiosity only, not saying we have to use our 3rd overall pick this coming draft on him. ;-)

  49. JF says:

    Habs have fallen from 7th to 13th in the NHL power rankings. Leafs are up to 10th.

  50. Dirtsteed says:

    I think Prust with DD and Cole is perfect and should be the third line. Until DD and Cole learn to control the puck again they will never be the “first line”. Last year they dominated down low and on the rush becasue of good passing and puck protection/possession. All I see now is Cole’s inability to pass or control the puck. He loses it a lot and watch how many times the puck slides away from DD.

    As far as Eller goes, I don’t know if he will ever be a top player on this team. I think his chemistry with the other players is lacking. Most of the goals he scores are individual efforts. That’s why you only notice him once every 10 games.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      problem is I don’t see much offense other than our first line. If we are relying on two guys that are playing their first league in the NHL to carry our offense (after the first line) this team is really in big trouble.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      If you’re only noticing Eller every 10 games, then you must only be turning your TV on every 10 games. Eller’s probably been our best, most consistent player since that 2-game sojourn to the pressbox at the start of the season.

    • dano58 says:

      Eller’s problem is he has never consistently been given any talented wingers to play on his line with. He had a little bit of chemistry believe it or not with AK but never really has had any good linemates ala the issues everyone complained about last year with Pleks. He is only 23 so do not give up on him yet as he has talent but they need to learn to utilize it properly.

      GO HABS GO!!!

      “Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one.”
      Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!

  51. Old Bald Bird says:

    I can’t believe they are putting Prust on that line when Moen has been so successful up there in the past. #samesituationdifferentplayer

  52. Arrow77 says:

    Galchenyuk is supposed to be our center of the future and Pacioretty is (officially) our top winger. It was pretty much written that they were going to play together at some point so we may as well try it right away.

  53. sCOTT1243 says:

    WoW, no conclusive evidence? lol

    The league says there was no conclusive evidence that Grabovski bit Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I think as usual, they said they’d investigate, to keep the whiny little Canadiens happy. They probably just watched the fight footage and the rest of the game and just laughed at the Habs.

  54. Hobie Hansen says:

    People keep crying about the league not doing anything like a bunch of babies. Just like the old saying goes; if you want something done right you’ve got to do it yourself.

    Man up and take care of teams like Boston and Toronto yourself. Stop crying to the league like a bunch of pussies!

  55. Sean Bonjovi says:

    This is way off topic, but amazing. The Bathurst Titan have a 20 year old named Zach O’Brien. O’Brien is tied for 5th in scoring in the QMJHL. What’s unusual about his career numbers?

  56. Hobie Hansen says:

    Oh no, Grabovski didn’t get a suspension!

    Who cares. Maybe next time Pacioretty won’t put his arm in the guy’s mouth and fight him instead. Minor news.

  57. 100HABS says:

    I don’t get it – didn’t somebody take a picture of the bite marks?

    A video as he’s coming off the ice with a close-up of the damage would have been conclusive, no?

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Things I don’t understand:

    1. People who wear wool hats or tuques indoors.

    2. People who leave phone messages. Ever heard of email?

    3. People who think Lars Eller is two wingers wingers away from being a dominant centreman.

    Can anyone explain any of these phenomena?

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Timo says:

      Are they all Habs fans… these people?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      My great Aunt has no email she has to leave voicemail. However, I called her, gave her crap and she in turn apolgizes to you. :)

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I doubt the word ‘dominant’ is applicable to Lars, Paul …but considering the options We have, the young man should be given a fair opportunity

      …sink or swim …at least We will find what He is worth, and make a decision if He is in Our longterm plan

    • duffy says:

      The thing i do not understand is what the h— is Armstrong doing on this team.

    • Arrow77 says:

      I’ve been a Eller believer since the beginning and I sincerely never heard or read anyone say that he could be dominant. Since the trade, he’s been described as having good 3rd line potential, maybe 2nd if we’re really lucky. I think a solid 3rd line centerman future is very much in the cards.

    • The Cat says:

      1- I dont know, some people may be wanting to hide lack of hair or lack of groominess
      2-Intolerance on your part. I dont think email has quite overriden the phone as the defacto means of communications.
      3-Lars has been one the habs’s best players so far (since his benching) IMO

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • shiram says:

      On #3, it can’t hurt to give the kid a chance to play over DD, DD has stunk so far and has not adjusted in the slightest. It’s not about being a dominant center, but about trying to find something that works.
      Pleks is the first C, Glachenyuk is now centering the 2nd line.
      DD can’t really work as a 4th line energy,so Eller is slotted there.

  59. Strummer says:

    ” Therrien tinkers with lines as Habs embark on road trip”
    Posted by Brenda Branswell

    Me thinks he should tamper with their heart, desire and attention span.

    Edit: Tinker rather than Tamper!
    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  60. The Cat says:

    Therrien’s doing a little too much slagging via the media. Im starting to wonder if he’ll last the whole half-year.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      No self-control. It’s what sank him the last time.

      This is one area where JM was right: say nothing to the media. Nothing at all.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …My opinion is the opposition has figured out the formula to play Desharnais, and I don’t believe DD can henceforth counter it effectively, especially on a number one line

    …Therien should experiment using Him on a wing

    …WHY ??? In this World Lars Eller is not being given several games of opportunity to centre the first or second line boggles My little ol’ mind

    …Prust as a first or second line centre says We should be in the running for Jones or Mackinnin come July

    …which, when You think of it, is just what Our Team needs

    • Timo says:

      Somewhere HH is saying “Yes, YES!!!”

    • Strummer says:

      If your opinion holds true then personnel on the opposing teams have someone doing their homework on the Habs.

      Who on the Habs staff was doing their Leaf Homework prior to puck drop on Saturday?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • habsnyc says:

      Prust will play wing. Cole and DD are being demoted to the third line. The first line is Pleks Gio Bourque. The second line is PGG. G&G got moved from the third line to the second line. Pax got demoted to the second line and PGB is the top line.

      Elller needs to work his way off the fourth line. I guess MT thinks Eller is a perimeter player. I like Eller and think he can contribute on the top two lines. If I watched video of all his shifts I could say what he needs to do to move up, but I think it is about parking in traffic.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • habbss says:

      move eller up bring blunden up he has size and move dd to press box teams just lean on him and the puck is theirs if people cant see this then are team is doomed. we need size.

  62. Al aboo says:

    Right now Eric Cole reminds me of that depressed guy who wont answer the phone when his buddy’s at the door in that mental health commercial…….buddy pick up the f’n phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. Hoegaarden says:

    Grabosky is in tonight’s lineup. He gets off the hook. Nice way to promote biting in the NHL.

  64. krob1000 says:

    Letang and Niskanen both injured…Weber and Kaberle int he pressbox…MB..pick up the phone!!

  65. LesHabs says:

    Why not try Eller between Cole and Pacioretty

    • krob1000 says:

      because it might work….

      • montrealtilldeath says:

        Actually Eller with them would work if you look at Eller’s skill sets. He is fast, creativel. creates his own space. moves puck well and has some faceoff skills compared to the others on the team who have none.

        I BELIEVE IT IS THE FACEOFF ISSUES THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF OUR TROUBLE.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Cultural issues. :)

    • habsnyc says:

      Because the coach feels that the first line was afraid of traffic and Prust is the solution, not Eller. Eller would be the solution if Pax or Cole were missing open nets. But if the problem is more about getting the first line to where they can score dirty goals and not about creating. Prust is babysitting. If Prust can get the puck out of the corners and Cole goes to the net, then they have a first line.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Timo says:

        Who knew that Prust would be a solution to ALL of Habs’ problems.

        • habsnyc says:

          Prust is ok, 4 years for him is insane, You should hear how Torts rips into the team now that Prust and Dubinsky are gone. If they could trade Eller and DD for Dubinsky, this team would look very different.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      It would work. Eller has been our second best center and he has been on the 4th line.

      I think the problem is, what do you do with DD? He won’t be effective if he isn’t playing with talented players. Its not like he can fight through 4th line activities like Eller. Just my opinion.

    • HardHabits says:

      Because his name isn’t Laurent Ellair.

  66. montrealtilldeath says:

    I see Dracula was not suspended. Pacs should demand Grabowski be given a blood test. Dangerous stuff floating around.

  67. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Let’s be clear. The league did not conclude that Pacioretty provoked what’shisface, or that the bite was accidental (hehe “acciDental”), but that it could not be proven that a bite even happened.

  68. habsnyc says:

    Putting Prust on a line with Cole and Desharnais, pretty much makes it a third line. G&G have not been put on the ice in dangerous situations. So that leaves Plekanec Gionta Bourque as the only line MT can use in critical situations. Last year the team moved Moen up in the lineup and it was fruitless. Moving Prust is a similar mistake.
    It would make more sense to use Eller or even Leblanc than to use Prust. Cole should not need babysitting.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Yup, this looks like a real indication that MT doesn’t see the top line as the top line anymore, and I’d rather see Eller on the top line than Prust. Still though, Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher could be a deadly second line.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • The Jackal says:

      Well yeah, it is the third line now – DD, Prust, Cole – but it’s still a third line that can score. The thing to focus on is that the kids get their break this time by playing with Pac, which means more minutes and hopefully more production. Our first line remains dangerous, and I think Gionta will pop them in.
      The only thing I would like to see, as many others have said, is Eller getting a shot on a top line.
      Some people have posted that DD should get benched, but how about playing DD on the fourth line, and having Eller move up a spot with scoring wingers. That way, the fourth gets some offensive jump and DD does not have to worry about getting checked so closely by being the opposing team’s defensive assignment.

      • habsnyc says:

        I mentioned Eller as well. My guess is the coach wants to see Eller show the determination and grit to gain possession of a lose puck in the offensive zone. That is what would make him indispensible to this lineup.

        I am wary of giving more minutes to G&G. They are doign well as rookies and do not need the added pressure of first line minutes. A losing streak is not the reason to play them 18-20 minutes per night. Maybe Galchenyuk could handle the extra shifts but Gallagher is thriving with limited ice time.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • The Jackal says:

          I would like to see them get more minutes, not first line minutes, but have them play more than they are now to see what they can do, as well as putting them with a scorer like Pacioretty.
          I agree Eller needs to play that grit role on top of his talents, as it will only make him a better player. I hope he gets a chance soon.

          • habsnyc says:

            I agree with both your points. Finding an extra shift for the rookes would be great, maybe on special teams. Maybe Galley could use his speed on the PK? Pax likes to take 4-5 shots a game. I do not know he gets that on this line. It will be interesting to see.

            Eller needs to have an impact on the ice more than on the scoresheet. He need to do what Bourque has done so far this season. Even when Bourque did not score, he made his presence known on the ice. I think Eller is getting the message and will respond.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  69. Therrien: “He’s a tough guy to play against and maybe this is what Desharnais and Cole need – you know, a true leader on the ice.”

    Wow. I don’t know if that’s a bigger slap in the face of Desharnais/Cole or Pacioretty. Or just an innocent comment int he coach’s second language… Either way, ouch.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  70. Whatever says:

    Any word on the capture of the mosquito of unusual size that obviously made the mark on Pacioretty’s arm?

  71. The Jackal says:

    I like these line changes.
    Putting DD with Cole and Prust may work out, as that puts him away from the top lines and in a more insulated role. I’m looking forward to seeing the Gallys and Pac together, hopefully they get a lot more ice time.
    I hope PK and Gorges get the top minutes now.
    Markov needs to be used more sparingly to keep his legs fresh. The D needs to keep it simple and not overplay themselves. I think we will have a good week ahead.

  72. Timo says:

    “We gave those guys a lot of chances. We spoke to those guys and they know where we’re (coming from),” Therrien said, adding he hadn’t seen much chemistry on that line during the last game.

    But did you take them for a walk along St Laurent river, Mikey?

  73. Ali says:

    anyone have a link to where i can watch the second episode of the 24 CH?

  74. habsfan0 says:

    Number 1.
    Unlike the Habs.

  75. rogieshan says:

    I see Gionta still working hard and getting his chances every game but the problem is he can no longer finish like a goal scorer.

    Desharnais just doesn’t do anything particularly well to be cast as a top-two center.

  76. Habfan17 says:

    Yes, I thought it was ridiculous when Martin made them play dump and chase, now Therrien is doing it. I would much rather see the Hab hold onto the puck and turn back at the opposing teams blue line and play keep away between the bluelines until they create an opening than watch players cramming against the boards, cycling in the corners. I looked up cycling the puck in Webster’s dictionary and the definition read. ” A hockey move teams make when they do not have enough talent or skill to make passing and scoring plays”

    The definition for dump ins ” Utter stupidity to give away what you already have just to have to fight to retrieve”

    Habfan17

  77. Habsrule1 says:

    Ya he sux alright.

    Glad we have such intelligent people on this thread.

    The name must be why we got rid of Begin & Darche too, and traded Ribeiro, Lapierre and Latendresse.

    Thanks for the input.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  78. The Cat says:

    Has Blunden even seen action since the time he flattened a NY ranger with a bodycheck that mattered and got an undeserved penalty for it?

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  79. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I don’t think DD and Cole are the first (or even second) line anymore…

  80. boing007 says:

    Maybe he was born not too far from Transylvania.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  81. HabinBurlington says:

    I thought the most powerful families in Montreal had a few more vowels in their name?

  82. boing007 says:

    We should at least send a photo of the teeth marks in MaxPac’s arm, along with a letter from the doctor who gave him the tetanus shot to Shanahan. Maybe add another photo with a middle finger sticking up in the air. Make a nice souvenir for that useless sob.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  83. boing007 says:

    EPO for everybody!

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. UnfortunateEPOly not all oysters produce pearls.


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