Therrien on Habs’ 3-1 preseason loss: “We saw a lot of good things”

(File photo: John Kenney, The Gazette)

It was hard to miss Jarred Tinordi on the ice Saturday at the Bell Centre against the Carolina Hurricanes and not just because of his imposing 6-foot-6 stature.

The Canadiens’ first-round draft pick, who is trying to land a spot on the team, dished out a few big hits and tangled with Hurricanes defenseman Tim Gleason in the feisty first period that saw two other fights break out.

“It’s always good team building when you see a physical presence on the ice and the way that he was able to play solid tonight physically,” said Coach Michel Therrien.

“They were solid hits, they were good hits…definitely it’s a plus for our hockey team,” Therrien said.

Tinordi laid a big hit on Hurricanes’ forward Tuomo Ruutu in the second period, but it led to a two on one break that resulted in a goal by Jeff Skinner.

“He’s got to read at the time when to throw those big hits because the big hits they’re going to come,” Therrien said.

The Canadiens outshot the Hurricanes 42-27 but failed to capitalize on their chances, going 0 for 8 on the power play, and losing 3-1.

“I can’t judge the game by the result. We saw a lot of good things,” Therrien said, excluding the second period when the team lost its focus a bit “and it turned against us.”

But he liked how the Habs started the game and played in the third period.

“We had a young lineup tonight and some of those kids did good.”

Therrien also said he thought veterans Tomas Plekanec,  Rene Bourque and Andrei Markov played well for their first preseason game.

You can listen to Tinordi here:

And you can hear what goaltender Carey Price had to say after the game here:

(Video: Brenda Branswell)



  1. JO says:

    Tinordi is the only player I’d keep with the big team the others. Call ups …

  2. Eddie says:

    we keep two 4th line centers,

    one in Bournival for the Detroits of the league, and one in White for the Boston’s, Ottawa’s and Toronto’s of the league.

    problem solved. they rotate. depending on what team we play, one plays the other sits.

    Ok we can move on.

    Bournival is on the team. he has made it as a platoon 4th line center sharing duties with White depending on the team we face.

    This site should get a job managing a team somewhere.

  3. The Dude says:

    Though I do wish him well ,I don ‘t see Carey Price winning a Stanley Cup unless it happens as a back -up tender! He’s got the mechanics … But his focus?His center being “Chi” are not constant and very easy to side track.It’s as if he has the same problems most purebreds suffer from”Over-breeding”and that can’t be fixed. A great goalie stops the puck regardless who’s on the D and an average tender needs a great D in order to look good and that’s not someone who should get $6.5 mil per season!

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  5. DipsyDoodler says:

    A slightly different question.

    Against the Leafs on opening day do you dress all your fighters? You know Carlyle will (he always does anyway).

    Fourth line of Prust, Parros, White. Murray on D.

    Or is that overkill?

    Personally I would save all the goons for our first reg season game against the Sens. Retribution.

  6. HabFab says:

    Guillaume Lefrançois ‏: Martin Brodeur will start in net Monday in Montreal and is slated to play full game.

    So we get Martin F Brodeur at least once more.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Love Brodeur, but bring him on.
      Much rather it be an old, fading 41 year old Brodeur than Corey Schneider.
      Yes, once upon a time he was a Habs killer.
      He was a .901 SP last year, and his last hurrah was back in the somewhat lucky 11/12 Devils playoffs.

      • showey47 says:

        I wonder if his son is at devils training camp. If so it would be pretty cool to have the father,son duo split the game. Especially with the game being in montreal.

  7. commandant says:

    I think Bournival has done enough to make this team.

    That said we have to temper expectations… I see a lot of comments, that he’s not a fourth line centre and he belongs in the top 6.

    Woah, woah, woah…. hold on here a minute. Bournival is not going to score 20 goals in the NHL… this is a guy who is having a hot goalscoring streak in the pre-season. Third and fourth line is his future.

    He’s done enough because he’s played hard, been good on the forecheck, been good defensively and scored a little scoring touch, but we aren’t holding up his development if he plays on the fourth line (either at C, or on LW with Prust at C).

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      As mentioned below, exactly
      So the questions become, where does he fit and who sits (that is if there are no injuries)

    • joeybarrie says:

      While he may have done enough to make this team, where is he going to fit? Like you said, he isn’t a 4th line center.
      Bourque, Pleks, Gio
      Briere, DD, MaxPac
      Gally, Eller, Gally
      Prust, White, Moen / Parros

      He isn’t a checking line player. He is a two way center. He fits best in Ellers spot, but that’s not going to happen.
      He should go down to Hamilton this season, and like Leblanc he is going to have to dominate in order to get a decent chance.

      • commandant says:

        He takes Whites’ spot IMO.


        Bournival – Prust – Moen


        Prust – Bournival – Moen

        with Parros getting spot duty.

        You don’t need three meatheads on the fourth line… a big part of Boston’s fourth line is Dan Paille.

        Go Habs Go!
        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          Exactly. 4th line needs to be fast and physical. If Bournival can learn to play the penalty kill he would be a perfect 4th liner in the future. Much like Ryan White coulda/shoulda been.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I am relieved that you see Bournival and Prust as linemates in two scenarios.. I respect your knowledge of players and feel good that you share this observation of them making two thirds of a line.

        • piper says:

          Bournival will be a third line centre somewhere in the NHL in a couple of years.
          Prust is not a meathead and deserves more than 4th line minutes and will get it.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Beg to disagree that he isnt a ‘checking line’ player. I think he fits that Guy Carbonneau (1993) mould quite well..either on 3d or 4th or sometimes 2nd. Hold on before you gasp.

        Although I am not going to enter into ‘where he plays on a regular basis’, I think a) he stays and b) if he stays MT will be ‘forced’ to use him in unexpected and surprisingly effective assignments based on Bournival’s performance and the ‘difficulties’ encountered by other lines.

        If Bournival is the real deal. And while I may be his biggest booster, even I am shocked by his comfort and competence level at camp.. right now he is looking like the best forward in camp…then I can see the following shocking cameo appearances in his future.

        From what I have seen in camp, albeit small sample, Briere/Pacs/DD is a line that MT will try again and again and which I think will have difficulty. Bournival making a cameo appearance with Pacioretty and DD will (in my humble opinion) be a good and effective spot duty line.

        Also Bournival with Gallagher and Prust will be a good game/momentum changing push back line.. as long as Gallagher tempers his inordinate sh**t disturber persona which he has adopted to excess from the ending segment of last season. (Note I am not souring on Gallagher nor blaming him for his ‘style’… there was a vacuum and he took the initiative of filling it. But time to dial it back a bit. The team has Parros and Murrray and Tinordi and others now.(This appraently is not my opinion exclusively.. check out RDS last night).

        Bournival is a lucky lucky plumb dropped in our laps.. or it may all be a short lived burst. But he deserves a chance to show us one way or another. Also do not forget that it’s not as if he is a last year ‘draft’ or a real unforeseen long shot. He was drafted in 2010…same year as Gallagher and higher than Gallagher and in the same round as White for instance who of course was drafted much earlier.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I like Bournival better than White but can the Habs afford to play with 4 left-handed centermen? They are already not good in the face-off circle.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  8. JUST ME says:

    I am reading the comments and seeing how my enthousiasm is getting in the way of logic sometimes. I was reading about Latendresse being let go by the Coyotes,seeing how Louis Leblanc because of injuries was also brought too fast in the NHL and am wondering what is the best way to go.

    Personnaly i like the Detroit way. The guys stay in the AHL at least 3 years no matter what. Obviously when they get to the NHL they are ready.

    The Habs have 9 players that will no longer have deals with at the end of the season,and also maybe a few players with deals will be traded away so , wouldn`t we be better to wait another year before adding kids to the roster whether they are good or not so far ?

    • HabFab says:

      You might be onto something there.

    • commandant says:

      Not every player is the same.

      There is no one right strategy of bringing a player up to fast or leaving him in the minors too long. It needs to be individualized to each prospect.

      For all the talk of Detroit leaving guys in the AHL for three years, when it was Zetterberg and Datsyuk, and Franzen, they didn’t do that… Zetterberg and Datsyuk were both in the NHL by age 21. Franzen was drafted in 2004, spent the lockout year in Sweden and then was in the NHL. So they adjust based on the player and what he can do for the team and what he can handle.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • Strummer says:

        In their first full NHL seasons

        Zetterberg – age 22
        Datsyuk – age 23
        Franzen – 2 months shy of 26

        Point is they don’t throw 19-21 year old’s to the wolves without seasoning whether its in their home countries or in the AHL

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • habstrinifan says:

      Just asking? Is this actually a rule used by Detroit.. ahl for minimum 3 years?

  9. durocher says:

    The practice lines, from @JohnLuTSNMtl:




  10. HabFab says:

    Derek Wills ‏@dogsplaybyplay 5m

    Akim Aliu picks up a loose puck in front, finds five-hole of Peter Delmas. Team White takes 3-0 lead in @BulldogsAHL scrimmage.

    Fournier and Price had scored earlier.

    EDIT; Louis Leblanc beats Peter Delmas high glove side with a WICKED wrist shot from the slot. Team White leads 4-0.

  11. JO says:

    Can’t say much yet. The team is not finalized however if they keep the same forwards in tact except for the addition of Briere. we have the same team as we had last year and we know what happened there. A short playoff run. With Detroit entering the picture who knows what that will do to us.

    in part I like what MB done. We got a couple of tough guys. To me that’s the only area we improved in thus far. Briere replaces Ryder for now I’ll call that even till I see how it pans out. Get the regular season going and around Christmas should give us a good indication where we’re going!!

    Let’s have “GRAVATAR”

    • habstrinifan says:

      I liek this post. No delusions nor (like me) restlessness . But in your ‘wait and see’ calmess, you are also recognizing that we cant expect to do better, especially with Detroit in the picture, if we keep basically the same team… especially up front.

      • JO says:

        TRINI: We know what Detroit can do and that don’t do us any justice. if other teams in the Eastern conference improved it’s gonna make it tough for us. Personally I don’t see where we improved other than the toughness department and in most cases those type of players don’t help in the standings. winning fights yes. Putting up points. Very little. anyway lets wait and see. I could be way out in left field …

    • mksness says:

      i would be more worried about columbus than detroit. Detroit is my eyes is trending downwards. they’re not the power house they used to be. Columbus on the other hand is a young and hungry team. they’re no push over and if they can get the same type of goaltending they got last year watch out

  12. Maritime Ronn says:

    Having great difficulty with the statement ” Bounival is not a 4th liner-he needs to play 3rd line” and why is that?

    Go check how Chicago/Detroit/Pitt/LA and many others handle their 4th line.
    Once upon a time we had zero tougheness – now we have more than enough.

    We don’t need a 4th line of 3 cement heads with hands of stone – we need a tough 4th line that can force the play in the other end and contribute precious goals when needed.
    Even the Bruins Campbell/Paille/Thorton had offensive contributions.

    Forget about the Leafs 4th line numbskulls of Orr/McLaren taking control of a game. Those days are over.
    Prust/Parros/Murray…Tinordi will take care of that when needed.

  13. HabFab says:

    From Brossard, Injuries update;

    Beaulieu, Moen and Bouillon back with the team.
    Parros is cleared for contact training.
    Murray and EMELIN skating together.
    Leaves only Drewskie not practicing.

    • Strummer says:

      If Emelin is skating Sept. 22 today what’s the timeline on his return to the line-up ?

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • sirs81 says:

        I would say at least two months if not more. He needs to get some strength back and learn how to skate with a knew ligament. Its not easy. I would not be surprised if he lost a step or two.

        • mksness says:

          had my acl done and came back with 100% strength(5 months). Pro athletes have the best help around so i wouldn’t be worried. as long as his meniscus isn’t damaged he’ll be just fine.

    • Phil C says:

      I’m glad that Emelin is skating and getting his strength back, but I hope they don’t rush him. They need him in May way more than they need him in December.

  14. Bill says:

    Question for the CBA gurus:

    Tinordi is 21, on an entry-level deal, and has played only 8 regular season NHL games.

    I have searched this online, and the results seem to suggest that f spent the year in Hamilton, the Habs would get to “slide” his contract for another, i.e., it wouldn’t count against his contract.

    Do the CBA geeks (NOI) agree this is the case?

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • HabFab says:

      Not completely sure of your point but;
      – The sliding rule only applies to players still playing Junior or in Europe. Their contract other then the signing bonuses doesn’t kick in.
      – Once a player turns PRO (ie NHL / AHL / ECHL), he is on the clock so to speak and his time counts. It is accelerated by NHL games played (160 including play-offs)

    • SmartDog says:

      I don’t know the mechanics of this. But I’d bet a steak dinner against a hamburger and a coke that Tinordi does not spend the entire season in Hamilton.

      I’ve never seen the team exercise such extremely strategic moves over putting the best team on the ice (even if they should from a long term view).

      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • commandant says:

      NO this is not the case.

      Entry level slides are only available for players who are 18 or 19 on September 15th of the year the season starts (ie eligible for junior hockey).

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The answer is no

      Tinordi has already had a “Slide” in 2011-12, but not last year.

      Page 23 CBA

      (d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC.

      Unless a Player and Club expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player’s SPC is extended an additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
      however, that ththe Player’s Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all

      In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had his SPC extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under that SPC, then the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be extended for one (1) additional year.

  15. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Pair Tinordi with a veteran D-man who can cover his back on the right side (e.g., Gorges and Diaz) and let him keep doing what he’s doing. He’s providing exactly what the Habs are lacking…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • The Jackal says:

      Tinner and Diaz could actually work out well.
      Then we can have Gorges and PK, and Emelin and Markov/Markov and ______ until Emelin gets back.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  16. rhino514 says:

    When you see a kid like Bournival busting his butt, you realize that Briere has to be lights out for that signing to be worth it.
    And not for one year, but two!
    It is a heck of a gamble MB made.

  17. Timo says:

    So when are the next cuts coming?

  18. SmartDog says:

    I still don’t understand the love for White, but whatever. Some people like long hair and poor judgement.

    But these players are ALL replaceable with rookies in my mind:
    – White
    – Moen
    – Drewiske
    – Murray
    And the sooner the better.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Timo says:

      If Murray does what he’s supposed to do (be nasty and clear the crease) we don’t have anyone to replace him yet (that’s given that Tinordi is on the team already). And besides, the more nasty dman we have the better. The other 3 I have no problem with replacing. All useless.

    • Forum Dog says:

      White is a glue guy whose team-mates love him. He stands up for anyone and everyone, he goes hard every shift, and he does the dirty work that no-one else will do. He has skating limitations, and is clearly not the sharpest knife, but these of offset by what he does bring.

      Replacing guys like White and Moen with rookies doesn’t help the younger guys develop. Why would you want someone like Bournival, Thomas, Collberg or any others playing a plumbers role when they were drafted or brought in to be top 6 or 9 players? Let them assume larger roles in the minors for a year and be ready to go when Gionta and players like him move on.

      Drewiske is filler, and Murray will take some minutes away, but based on what I’ve seen this pre-season, the only young D-man ready for a full-time NHL spot is Tinordi, so at the moment these guys are necessary.

    • durocher says:

      I don’t mind having White as our #13 forward. Moen should go, as should Diaz.

  19. Eddie says:

    I give Krob the credit for mentioning to me that Bournival reminded him of Dominic Moore.
    He is very fast, very smart, and a valuable 4th line player.

    Do the Habs need that type of player on their 4th line?

  20. JO says:

    If you give up Moen or White to keep Bournival. First of all you’re giving up size. I thought we were aiming to get bigger and tougher. Secondly Bournival at best in the AHL is a 3rd liner what does that say compared to the NHL. You be the judge!!

  21. HabFab says:

    From Brossard this AM via twitter;
    – apparently no cuts yet
    – Moen is back on skates
    – Murray and EMELIN working out on the ice together

  22. Forum Dog says:

    Awesome game from Tinordi. The hit on Ruutu did not lead to the goal IMO. Pateryn mishandled the puck and no forwards coming back hard. 3 clean and huge open ice hits, a spirited and convincing knuckle chuck with Gleason (who is no pushover). Great stuff.

  23. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    If Bournival was right-handed, he would be the fourth line center. Unfortunately, he will only play when there are injuries.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • HabFab says:

      Have you watched any of the games?

    • Forum Dog says:

      Bournival isn’t a 4th liner. He has a good offensive game that needs to keep developing with lots of minutes and some PP time. He won’t get that in Montreal this year, at least not until one of the current top 9 gets moved.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I know he is not a fourth liner but on this team there is no room in the top-9 unless there is an injury. Since the Habs need a right-handed centerman, there is no room for Bournival there too. Off to Hamilton…

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  24. habs12 says:

    People need to lower their expectations with guys like Tinordi, and especially Bournival. They have both looked very impressive, but you should all know by now that the NHL is basically three different leagues: Preseason, Regular Season and Post-Season. The level of play increases almost exponentially from one to the next. Scoring a few goals in some meaningless preseason games doesnt imply that we have a scoring machine. Bournival is a pesky 3-4th line grinder with good wheels; the scoring touch we’ve seen over the past week is just an added bonus, but its not a fixture in his game.

    • Loonie says:

      Tinordi was very impressive in his NHL regular season and playoff appearances last season, his hype is warranted.

      Bournival hasn’t had a chance to impress against top quality competition so his expectations should definitely be tempered.

  25. Supersonic says:

    I agree with some of the comments that Bournival needs to be rewarded and does not deserve to be sent down. But from a GM point a view guys like Moen and White are assets, you just don’t get rid of them to make room for someone else, you need something in return, after they nhl players, Bournival is not. It’s about making the best decision for the team

  26. HabFab says:

    They like Crisp in Sudbury;

    NOTE; didn’t prevent them from taking a beating last night.

  27. Stuck_in_To. says:

    I would like to see the Habs hold on to White and give him a little longer to get it back together on a consistent basis. I don’t feel the same way about Moen and would replace him on the roster with Bournival. Which is not to say I have any idea what to do with Moen or whether he could be traded for a pick.

  28. habstrinifan says:

    The whip bearers are afoot and I know I risk the troll label. Even worse I know from some basemented repository of genius someone will engrave my name on a chicken little award. But I shall speak.

    What I saw from the veterans last night was same-o same-o. What I saw from the team last night was that any excitement and daring and life were mainly provided by the ‘youth’. Gallagher, Tinordi, Bournival, Dietz.

    I understand that it is pre-season. I understand that Plekanec and Markov were playing their first game. I admit that while Bourque was predictably snakebit he was involved. I do not know all the waiver and salary cap intricacies. I do not know if they can be overcomed.

    But what I do understand is that if you looked at our PP last night and especially the fancy perimeter futility of Briere. If you look at the impact on the ICE of all the people wearing the ‘A’s. Then I understand last seasons periodical swoons… too many in a 48 game season. And I fail to understand how we can determine that a Bournival and a Tinordi must be kept out of the opening day lineup because we are stacked with players’ or bridled by a salary cap or wary of precocious flowering.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I believe that if possible there should be fresh blood every year.

    • SmartDog says:

      You’re right about what you saw.

      But I think it’s fair to say that to any veteran of more than 5 years or so, preseason games are about:
      1. Getting back your timing and getting your legs into game shape. 2. And… not getting injured.

      I would take your concerns about particular veteran players as food for thought going into the regular season, and not much more. Pleks didn’t look special last night, but I don’t question how he’ll play this season. And some very good players are known to start slow. Pacioretty is one in fact. Our top scorer over the last couple of seasons.

      I agree WRT Moen though. He’s done like dinner and we have plenty of guys who will fight for his job – in more ways than one. And based on his play last year, I would doubt they could do it much worse if they tried. But he has an NTC. Sigh. So expect this to be a chance for him to prove himself before he becomes our next buy-out. Which would only cost .5 mil a year off the cap so not a huge deal.

      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • AliHaba says:

      I can’t help but think back to the ’86 cup year with up to 10 rookies in the lineup. I know that will never happen again but I would hate to see the Habs be bogged down by veterans who should be contributing more and holding back fresh legs who can’t wait to play for the most important franchise in NHL history.

  29. Eddie says:

    I did not mean a “fighter” on each line.

    • Loonie says:

      I understand that you meant protection. Which is what exactly? A big guy who doesn’t fight to deter other fighters who happen to be big guys from intimidating our young skilled players?

      Bourque is the only scoring forward that we have who can fight and because of that is the only scoring forward we have who can be a deterrent while maintaining a productive role on a scoring line. By that logic he should be with Galchenyuk and Gallagher.

      Either way you’re left with two forwards lines minimum that don’t have a bodyguard beside them. If you compose your team to avoid intimidation you’re being intimidated, funny as it sounds.

      • Eddie says:

        Eller is a big body who is starting to throw his weight around.

        That’s what I meant.

        Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, will be a great line!!

        • Loonie says:

          I’ve been the champion of the Lars Eller bandwagon for three years but realize that he is in no way protection for those young players.

          If this team is going to finally avoid its small and skilled players being bullied it’s going to have to come from Parros and Prust.

          So when Shawn Thornton and Colton Orr and Patrick Kaleta decide to take shots at Brendan Gallagher and Alex Galchenyuk this team needs to send George Parros and Brandon Prust after Dougie Hamilton, Nazem Kadri and Tyler Ennis.

          No more “code”, because when the opposing team targets your skilled players with intimidation the only way to prevent it is to give them a dose of their own medicine.

  30. Timo says:

    Woke up and saw that Therrien still the coach. Damn.

  31. Loonie says:

    Impressed by….

    Tinordi, Bournival, McCarron, Dietz and Collberg.

    Not impressed by….

    Thomas, Pateryn, Diaz and Holland.

    • Timo says:

      Throw in Markov in that pile of not impressed. Yes, yes, first game, rusty, will get better, blah blah blah… Hell, for the money he is getting paid he better be better – a LOT better.

  32. geo_habsgo says:

    I miss Saku Koivu. Wish he was still the captain.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      If only we had some other small, skilled forwards.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

      • geo_habsgo says:

        I’d rather have him than Gionta. If there was anyone who should haven gotten to retire a Canadien, it’s Saku. A guy who played his heart out but was never surrounded with the talent we have today. He wasn’t just another small, skilled forward. Don’t try to play him down like that.

  33. slyCH says:

    I missed the Skanka Montana gig last night. I heard she cried on stage.

  34. AliHaba says:

    I don’t see any way that Bournival can be sent back down. You don’t reward good play with demotion. Time to get rid of some of the deadwood. Ryan White is at the top of that pile. Can you say sayonora Ryan? Put him on waivers and if he clears send him down. This team has no place for mediocrity and he doesn’t even fight well anymore.

    • JUST ME says:

      Marc Bergevin said and repeated that if a kid shows him he deserves a place , then he will make one. So i think that Bournival does deserve a chance and i agree that he brings much more to the habs than does White for example.
      That being said i am not sure that it is that easy to demote someone or to ask a kid like Bournival to play 82 games.

    • Eddie says:

      White will not clear waivers.
      A 4th line player who can skate and isn’t afraid of anyone in the league has serious value to several teams.
      Also with Parros and Murray out, and Prust just getting back into top form, the physical side of the team (fighters) would be considerably weakened by sending out White, even in a trade for a draft pick which is much more likely.

      Bournival is a fast, smart player, who has found the net in these first few games. He is still a 10 goal scorer at the AHL level until he proves otherwise.

      Nice work by Bournival forcing the Habs hand.

      But sending out White is not going to be as easy or as harmless as you think.

    • Bill says:

      The 4th line on the Habs is obviously meant to be a crash and fight line with Prust, Moen, White, and Parros.

      How does Bournival fit in with those guys? He’s out there to score, while they are looking to bust heads. Is Bournival going to bust heads? Or are the other guys going to change their roles and try to score?

      Bournival would have to replace a top nine guy. Pick one. I say it doesn’t happen until one of the top nine guys is seriously hurt, which, with the injury history of Briere and Gionta and Bourque, should take about one regular season. That’s when he’ll make it.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Loonie says:


        Pacioretty – Plekanec – Briere
        Bourque – Eller – Gallagher
        Bournival – Galchenyuk – Gionta
        Moen – Prust – Parros


      • Eddie says:

        Also Bournival has never lit it up at ANY level. Scoring 50 or 60 points in the QMJHL when you play top pairing minutes, every power play 1st lline, is really very average.

        He is a very good skater and a very smart player.

        He is not a fighter, nor is he a top 9 forward on this team.

      • AliHaba says:

        Bournival is hyped as a defensive-minded center with good wheels which he’s really showed this pre-season. The hope is that he will be a Carbonneau-type. I have no reason to believe he couldn’t handle centering Prust and Moen/Parros.

    • JUST ME says:

      All very good points there. My oh my! how come everybody makes sense suddenly ? As much as i am ready to give Bournival a chance with the habs it is true that playing a few minutes on the 4 th line is not for him. I would rather see him dominate in Hamilton until he is needed with the Habs. It is just that enthousiasm…Well you know…

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Ryan White is the perfect 4th line Centre. He’s great on face-offs, great defensively, hits everything that moves and fights anyone. He actually has good hands for a goon type player. Yes he took some dumb penalties last year, but people forget that he’s 25 and played 2 NHL seasons. He’s going to learn to play smarter and utilize his skills more effectively.

      You find the players the fit the team concept you are trying to build, not build a team concept to fit the players you have. I don”t mind Bournival, he’s played well in the offensive role he’s been put into, but hes not going to play top minites in the regular lineup and he’s not a checking/defensive players. If he’s to going to play in offensive situations (i.e. top 6) as he is in the preseason – than he’s better off in Hamilton until there’s an opportunity that will let him play to his strengths.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

    • SmartDog says:

      “You don’t reward good play with demotion.”

      Louis Leblanc (and his girlfriend) would beg to differ.
      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  35. HabFab says:

    Remember how impressed we all were with Reway??
    While his Junior coach isn’t, so has made him a healthy scratch.
    Said he wasn’t playing the Olympiques style and he wasn’t impressed with him.
    Did the kid get a swelled head that fast or does his coach just what to show him who controls his life?

  36. HabFab says:

    To Stubbs on twitter.

  37. --Habs-- says:

    If your concerned about Tinordi being ready let’s take a walk down memory lane while we look at PK, holding onto our seats in the defensive zone while we constantly lost the puck! I think defensively speaking Tinordi is ready. He’ll make mistakes but hey we watched Markovmake tons of mistakes last year while he’s lost 2 or 3 steps while I cringed watching the mistakes.

    Go HABS Go

  38. rhino514 says:

    What´s Bournival´s real weight and height?
    in some places he is listed as 5.9 and 178lbs, in other he is 5.11 and 192

  39. Bill says:

    Noticed quite a few posters lately saying Tinordi has convinced them that he should be played with Subban on the first pairing, eating 25 minutes a game.

    Tinordi has played 8 NHL games.

    Stop being delusional. You sound like Leaf fans.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Maybe not 25 minutes a game, not on the top pairing either. Soon though. He could find himself there by the end of the season if he proves he can shut down other teams. If not this season, he’ll eventually be among the leaders in ice time.

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        I think Tinordi should stay, and be worked in gradually. The first pairing analysis is video game thinking.
        He needs to work with a veteran, and he will make enormous mistakes to bring the wrath of the commentariat down on him. He’ll learn, based on the strides he’s made since last Spring. In a year or two, we could be watching a very good one.
        PK may have won a Norris, but he has a lot to learn. He is still a little unstable out there, though he is settling down. He’s not a guy you want a rookie with. Not yet.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      13 games 🙂

      …and who said he should be playing Top 4/25 minutes?
      Most are saying he deserves a spot – meaning a 3rd pair to start with some 2nd Unit PK time where he showed well last year.
      That equates to about 13-15 minutes of somewhat protected time vs. the other team’s 3rd-4th line.
      And what’s wrong with that?
      What more can he learn in the AHL?

      • Bill says:

        I have read several posts clamouring for him to be played with Subban playing top two minutes. Didn’t stop to take names, and I wouldn’t use the names if I had, because I don’t want to make it personal. But if you scroll though the comments on the posts about the exhibition games, you will find them.

        There would be nothing wrong with him playing 13-15 protected minutes as a 5/6 guy with PK time. Don’t disagree with that at all.

        What he could still learn in the AHL is how to be a team’s go-to Dman. In Hamilton, he would be a 1st pairing guy, would play 23-25 minutes a game, would be on the first PK unit, would play against the other team’s top lines, would be used in critical situations with the game on the line. I think that would be valuable.

        At this point, Tinordi has played 10 fewer AHL games than even PK Subban did. To say that he’s learned everything he could learn about the pro game at the AHL level is, I think, unrealistic.

        He’s still physically not mature, in the sense that I think he’s still filling out and that his proprioception is continuing to evolve. He’s only 21 years old.

        So I think another year – even half a year – of being the number 1/2 guy in the AHL would be beneficial. But I agree he’d be helpful at the NHL level in the role you describe. All I really care about is that he realize his full potential, and it’s possible that could mean another year of development in a major role in the AHL as opposed to a minor role in the NHL.

        The problem is that he’s already better than Drewiske, Bouillon, and Murray. We’ll see how patient the Habs can be.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • HabFab says:


        • Maritime Ronn says:


          I hear what you’re saying, yet playing in the AHL against the opponent’s top lines does not equate to playing against a 3rd-4th line NHLer.
          Of course he will make mistakes…and what Dman doesn’t including Norris winners and Norris candidates.

          Any way you look at, what a GREAT problem to have!
          In Bergevin We Trust.

        • slyCH says:

          I can see the future D playing big minutes together as nothing but good player management. Big-T, Beaulieu, Dietz and so forth. It creates chemistry so yeah, that would be a major plus. But I also see playing in the NHL as valuable experience. I’m always on the fence regarding this.
          Let’s see what management has in store. Send them all down and let ’em learn team chemistry with big minutes, together. Worst case scenario this season is a wash and we pick up a high draft pick.

          The fun will begin next season when all options will be available regarding contracts coming off the books. I can’t wait until next off-season. 😉

    • slyCH says:

      He may not be a PK top-pairing player but he does deserve his spot on the team don’t ya think?

      • Bill says:

        See above. I won’t the use the word “deserve”, because it’s not about that … it’s about what’s best for the team now and down the road and how to balance that.

        I would agree that he’s good enough to make the team, but I’m questioning whether the role he’d play right now is one that is crucial enough to forget about giving him serious minutes in the AHL and speeding his development a bit.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

  40. Ian Cobb says:

    Only one more game to view the prospects for the coaches, scouts and management. Then most of our season starting roster will be playing the last two games against Ottawa.
    That is the way I see it anyway!

    The past 4 games has only been about breaking in the new equipment, and giving Hamilton and our east coast league team a chance to evaluate what players might stay on their rosters before we send the rest of our prospects down to them.

    It won’t be long now before we start to see what our team is going to look like for real this year.

    If Marc and Michel call me this week, I will offer my suggestions, but I think they will do a great job in placing players on the rosters that will be best for each players development.

  41. slyCH says:

    In my mind that Tinordy hit was excellent, had Pateryn done his job it would not have resulted in a goal. I’m sure everyone else saw it the same and I wish MT would have admitted the same, instead of somewhat throwing him under the bus for it.

    He looks like a hell of a player for years to come though, don’t he. He’s a keeper.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Yes, it was a bit unfortunate that Pateryn picked up the puck and then lost it right after the big hit by Tinordi.

      His fight was pretty good too. Gleason is a heavyweight who’s had some huge fights against Lucic. Tinordi was feeding it to him until he stepped on a stick and lost his balance a little, got distracted, then Gleason unloaded and knocked him down, good fight though!

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I don’t interpret that as throwing Tinordi under a bus. That’s being a little over sensitive.

      It was a solid hit, followed by a sensible comment by the coach.

      To me, Tinordi was last night’s revelation. That’s a guy who worked for it all summer. In a log jam of average, he looks like a keeper.

      Bournival raises a lot of issues, eh? He looks ready – this year’s Gallagher training camp. The obvious player to go is White, an awful NHLer, but the roles are different.

      I’m uncertain whether White has a role here – there are plenty of guys able to take stupid penalties and fight badly while maintaining a goofy haircut.
      Bournival seems an inevitable team member, if only because injuries are bound to happen. But he has worked so far he should be rewarded.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Yup, White’s heart is in the right place but it would be a real head scratcher to have him in the lineup over Bournival at this point.

      • slyCH says:

        I did say “somewhat” throwing him under. I guess MT has to keep his praise “somewhat” guarded so not to show his cards on personnel decisions. I don’t know.
        As for the rest of your views I agree…”somewhat” 😉

      • adamkennelly says:

        “there are plenty of guys able to take stupid penalties and fight badly while maintaining a goofy haircut” – good line.

        I would still toss Moen before White – although White has to show a little bit more…Stir the pot without taking penalties, win a fight or two and you’re in.

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          Moen was terrible last year, but his experience and past contribution earns him another look. If it was as simple as an off year, he could be a solid contributor. Could…
          White plays with everything he’s got, but I see him sitting in the press box with Parros growing a porn stache to go with his raggedy Andy hairdo. He doesn’t bring a lot of sense to the ice. I see him as being so desperate to stay that he’ll hurt the team to stick out.

          Parros, Murray, Prust and I guess Tinordi can fight. Moen might still be able to. White has a mean sucker punch. The dynamic has changed a bit with the new additions.
          I don’t like the fights in hockey, but last season, and even the opposing strategy last night says they are there to stay and the Habs softness has been targeted in coaching plans. White as a weapon? Hmm. Warm up the penalty killing.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Moen doesnt have the goofy haircut.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I am not sure why body checking a guy who has the puck at the blueline should be questioned. Yes, it didn’t work out well. That’s life.

  42. 24 Cups says:

    My beloved Argos are up eight points on the hapless Als. Read it and weep!

  43. JF says:

    The team looked pretty good during the first and third periods last night, especially considering the number of rookies in the lineup. Plekanec and Bourque especially had good chemistry and created a lot of chances.

    At the same time, the game showed that we should be careful abut deciding on the strength of pre-season games that our rookies are ready. Greg Pateryn made some mistakes that suggest his decision-making is not yet where it needs to be.

    Michaël Bournival is making a case for a roster-spot. Four goals in three games is hard to ignore, although last night’s goal was a result of being in the right place at the right time. Tinordi also looks ready. Bergevin will have some tough decisions to make, which certainly beats having to scramble to fill holes, as is usually the case with the Habs. At the very least, the pre-season is demonstrating that we have a solid pipeline of youngsters. It will be up to Bergevin and the coaching staff to integrate them at the right time, not rush them, and make sure they continue their development meanwhile.

    Hard to blame Price much for the goals, although he did misplay the puck behind the net on the first one. But he also made a few excellent saves. Price typically warms up gradually over the course of the pre-season and then is ready when the real season starts. Let’s hope that is the case this year.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Jane – Injuries might well open up a spot for Bournival once the season really begins. If not, the decision becomes pretty clear. Do the Habs give Dumont the nod because of his waiver status, or do they move him (does he have any value?) and keep Bournival? They are both undersized players but the team already has it’s full quota of 5’9″ players.

      One more thought. Would White stay with the team if he wasn’t such a cement head who’s willing to fight at the drop of a hat?

      • JF says:

        Steve – I’m not high on Ryan White, but I think the team needs him for now. He can win faceoffs and he’s always willing to fight, two areas in which the Habs are vulnerable. But he has to avoid taking brain-dead penalties.

        • 24 Cups says:


          BTW, Maybe Bournival’s performance might act as a form of motivation for Moen when he returns. Having his job on the line seems to be when Moen plays his best hockey.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          I was questioning your ” White wins faceoffs”… yet you are absolutely correct – didn’t realise that.
          In last year’s playoffs, he was 64.7% and during the season 54.5%.
          Tks for the heads up.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Which is exactly why the 65% who feel Galchenyuk should play centre this year need to rethink their stance.

    • habstrinifan says:

      What can I say except maybe if Bourque and Plekanec with all their veteran savvy can find a way to be in the right place at the right time we wont have these scoring draughts which slide us into 5 games tailspins.
      Last night was a game like many games we have seen from the HABS. Shots shots shots.. without scoring. Enough is enough. Bournival proved last night that he can score.. put him in. The non productive work of ‘veteans’ like Briere smack more of alchemy than chemistry.

    • HabFab says:

      That will hurt Pittsburgh all around. They are in Salary Cap trouble already and his LTIR wouldn’t kick in for three weeks. Let alone their goaltending needs. Will be interesting to see if Fleury bounces back quickly.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        They should try to sign Tim Thomas. Imagine how hard he would play against the Bruins if those two teams end up meeting in the playoffs.

        • 24 Cups says:

          I figure Thomas sees himself getting the full time gig in Florida. There’s even talk of a two year deal if you can believe it.

          Hedberg and Theodore might be more realistic options. Hedberg is the classic back-up goalie while Theodore just turned 37. Neither guy could probably carry the team so it still comes back to Fleury who gave up three goals on his first six shots last night.

  44. HabFab says:

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! … Chicken Little

    Atlantic Standings
    Tampa Bay 4 4 0 0 8 2
    Toronto 4 3 0 1 7 2
    Buffalo 4 3 0 1 7 2
    Boston 4 3 1 0 6 2
    Ottawa 3 2 1 0 4 2
    Detroit 4 2 2 0 4 2
    Florida 4 1 1 2 4 1
    Canadiens 4 1 2 1 3 1

  45. HabFab says:

    Keeping it real;

    – we played 9 regulars against 14 last night
    – 3 of those regulars played their first game
    – purpose of training camp is to allow the veterans to get game ready and to have a close look at the prospects under NHL type settings
    – we came into camp with 23 NHLers counting Emelin
    – MB is not going to discard players for nothing. He is not the idiot, you are!
    – we have 7 UFA’s in July, this camp and the season lets MB know were the prospects are at and what they need to be ready.
    – he can wheel and deal until then
    – do some of you realize how stupid you sound, when you totally ignore the Salary Cap, roster sizes, LTIR rules and waiver rules when you rant? What credibility you may have with your original point goes right out the window!!

  46. piper says:

    This is a very different team without PK and Galchenyuk in the lineup.
    Both these guys make things happen and both can shoot. They were missing that last night, although Gally did hit a couple of posts.

  47. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! A quick “I want Bournival” post. If we truley are to become a performance based organization then Bournuval stays and is rewarded with meaningful minutes. Tinordi as well. Stop rewarding mediocrity.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Morning Jim

      Knowing his strengths (character-skating-tenacity) and his weakness (0 NHL game experience), IF Bournival sticks, where does he fit?
      Who sits?
      This is the depth chart.

      Then the business of hockey concerning waivers/Salary Cap.
      A trade?
      Really don’t know how the Habs can fit him in at this point in time, unless one of White or Moen moves on.
      Gio plays the right side so nothing there to injury replace.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        You make room for him. White? Moen? Move a veteran? Those are all moves MB should be considering to take this team to the next level.
        If they’re happy with the status quo well as Prop likes to say, we’re DOOOOOOIOIMED.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          The problem is if you move Moen or White you can’t get them back when there are injuries. If you send Bournival back to Hamilton you don’t have that problem. It has nothing to do with rewarding mediocrity.

          Put another way, you can only keep 22 (or 23) players and there are only certain players you can send to the AHL without losing them on waivers.

        • Bill says:

          No point in replacing Moen or White with Bournival. He won’t be effective in a 4th line role.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

  48. zephyr says:

    I thought tinordi, pateryn & dietz all played well. dietz could use some more seasoning but he looks like he’ll be gold. pateryn had a couple of unlucky bounces but he can move the puck out of our zone very well. I doubt the habs will pair 2 rookie dmen together in the reg season. I think the cube sits some games. murray might sit too. bournival is going to make this team. a 4th line with prust, bournival & moen might be the ticket. these 3 can be sprinkled in on the top 3 lines when needed too. moen & parros could sub when needed. I think white mostly sits. that’s my take so far. should be an interesting week ahead.

  49. Habsrule1 says:

    I was at the game last night. As much as I know the pre-season means nothing, I still enjoy watching my Habs. Sometimes I think half of the posters on this site think the results matter.

    It’s ALL about trying things in the pre-season. How close is last night’s line-up to the October 1st line-up? Not close at all. I was really excited to see what Tinordi brought, and I was not dissapointed. The Habs had a lot of shots, but their real quality chances are when they hit the post or missed the net….and at times shot right into the goalie. That’s normal in pre-season. It didn’t look to me like the vets were really giving their 110%….and that’s normal in pre-season too. Everyone is rounding into game shape. Price looked ok, btut he’s also still finding his comfort zone.

    I’m excited about the last, and maybe last 2 pre-season games when we see something that might slightly ressemble the Habs team for 2013-2014, but even then, try to remember that all the players know the game doesn’t count. Like it or not, players tend to play with a little less urgency when the games are meaningless.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      These are tough games for the vets to play.
      The keys are NOT to get hurt, and find the timing/game legs.
      They know the other team’s vets won’t go the cheap shot route, but they have to constantly watch the others trying to make the team or make an impression.

  50. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting comments by Coach Therrien in the post game presser.

    Re Bournival:
    ” He’s hot right now.(Therrien chuckling-happy) He makes things happen. We put him in a different role tonight. We put him with Eller and Gallagher to see how he would handle himself playing with NHL regulars. Again tonight, we are happy with him”

  51. Maritime Ronn says:

    It has to be enjoyable being GM Bergevin these days.
    Instead of scrambling and trying to fill holes, there are some tough quality decisions to be made…and the pipeline looks good.

    How does he send Tinordi back to Hamilton?
    Before camp started, I was in the “Let’s see” camp, yet this guy is a huge physical presence that will resemble Robinson – not offensively, but in an intimidating and hard hitting DMan in the near future.

    As for ‘getting caught’ on a goal last night, we would not even be having the conversation if Pateryn hadn’t given the puck away like an ECHLer, of if the goalie had made the save.

    As for his scrap with Tim Gleason, remember that Gleason is one of THE toughest non-goons in the NHL.
    Gleason is a 30 year old/217 pound man.
    He is also one of a very few that went toe to toe and matched strength in a fight against Lucic last year.

    Tinordi’s time is now.
    What more does he need to learn in the AHL?
    Bergevin has to find a spot for him, and Coach Therrien can use him to start as a 3rd pair with some 2nd Unit PK time – about 15-16 minutes per game.

    • piper says:

      I agree Ronn. After watching him late last year you could tell he was ready. He is the type of player this team needs more of and Bergevin has to make room for him. I’d really like to see him with Subban.
      He also did well against one of the the most under rated fighters in the league and is improving in that department.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Piper

        Was thinking the same thing, but Tinordi is not ready for a Top 4 spot.
        It’s one thing to play against the other team’s 3rd-4th lines, a whole other world playing against Crosby-Malkin-Stamkos-Tavares….

        Looking forward – perhaps by the end of the year or maybe next year, imagine playing against?

        No one would be messing with Price’s Blue Paint or coming across the middle with their head down…while there would still be excellent offensive smarts/mobility in the Top 4 with Subban/Markov.

  52. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: The Goat – there is no doubt he is a savvy hockey man, and this exciting team is partly down to him.

    Halak for Eller, moving up in the draft to select Tinordi etc …

    The only possible black mark (as far as hockey decisions are concerned) is the extent of his involvement in the Gomez deal, about which we will probably never know.

    However, he was just not personally suited to the GM job.

  53. JUST ME says:

    I understand that they are looking for specific things about a player,if he improved here and there ,how he reacts in certain situations but after 4 games i have seen enough. I know that maybe Tinordi and/or Bournival will start the season in MTL and that the rest will continue their development in junior or AHL so be it now. The veterans now need to practice and i want to see P.K. Galchenyuk and Max Pac every game. Future does look bright though.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Good Morning

      I hear and can’t argue with your passion, yet the Habs still have to be careful.
      The most important thing for known vets is to get their timing and game legs…and NOT to get hurt.

      Next week, Habs play 3 games in 4 nights – NJ on Monday, then what may be a very emotional 2 game home and home against Ottawa on Wed/Thurs.
      There are some issues to be settled ( hello Mr. Gryba) before the season starts.

      From here, I would like to see our full team for the 2 home games-Monday/Thursday.

      • JUST ME says:

        I agree with you but it all comes down to the pre-season schedule being too long and busy. I would prefer to have less games more practice but i also understand that it is a $$$ thing also.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Before this new CBA, teams could play a maximum of 9 games.
          The new CBA states, ” “Each Club shall schedule NO LESS than six (6) and no more than eight (8) Exhibition Games during Training Camp.”
          There are also some other restrictions for veterans.
          Habs will play 7 games this year which is much better than the 8 they played in the disaster of 2011/12.

  54. JayK-47 says:

    I don’t know if this channel has ever been brought up, but this Habs fan posts some awesome prospect videos.

  55. Marc10 says:

    Looking at the line up’s lack of punch last night, this is a fairly predictable result. Good on Tinordi and Bournival for keeping their names in the conversation.

  56. DipsyDoodler says:

    As far as I can tell Bournival is fighting for the last forward spot with Ryan White (I’m excluding Parros for now). He’s probably ahead of Blunden, Thomas and Dumont. So we could start the season with 14 forwards (White or Moen sit along with Parros) until the inevitable injuries start.

    More problematic is Tinordi. If he stays there is one defenceman too many (PK, Marky, Gorges, Diaz, Murray, Bouilon). You can only have 2 players in the press box I think.

    Put it another way Bournival and Tinordi can’t both make the team without a trade or some injuries.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hope this helps.
      Maximum dressed 20.
      Maximum Roster size 23+IR


      23-man Roster
      There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club’s playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline.
      Prior to the start of the season, each Club must submit to the NHL its “Opening Day Playing Roster” which shall be comprised of not more than 23 players.
      Each Club must have a roster of at least 20 players, composed of 18 skaters and two goaltenders.
      Players on Injured Reserve do not count in the 23-man limit.

  57. JO says:

    I get it now. It’s about accuracy finding a opening to put the puck by the Goalie. we were about 2.38% Carolina 11.1% that’s what MT is seeing. so it boils down to. we had taken to many shots 9-shots we would have had the same accuracy percentage as Carolina. Just the score would have been different.

  58. JO says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong pre-season or not. When you have 42 shots on goal and you score 1-goal. How can a coach say he sees good things.

    I know what I would be seeing. A problem scoring and 3-goals against on 27 shots. A problem defending!!


    • Timo says:

      You will be seeing this problem many more times this season. Habs will be kept outside the perimeter.

      Btw, did you also just love Markov-Diaz on PP? I thought they were fantastic.

      • JO says:

        I don’t know what to say anymore Timo. I realize it’s only Pre-Season but I’m not convinced this team is any better than last year. Have to wait till the real hockey starts I guess hard to get a true picture in pre-season!!

        Ross: Has the answer.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I don’t know what to say anymore eaither. This is all I got:


          Not sure if I can be any more clear. The games don’t matter. There’s a reason why no points are issued.

          How’s that?

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • ross says:

      The goal of pre-season games is not to win them. It’s to evaluate players.

      When you have 42 shots on goal and you score 1 goal, it means you should probably not use AHLers/OHLers as half your team. When a coach says he sees good things, it means he’s ignoring the scoreboard because it doesn’t matter; it means he’s seeing smaller plays that show maturity and skill.

    • slyCH says:

      They hit the post at least 3 times, that has to count for something.

  59. Luke says:

    MT said the same about PK’s big hit attempt last year… From what I’ve seen, and I’m a pro hockey insider… Tinordi is on the team, Dietz and pateryn in Hamilton

  60. What? No Price haters? No throw MT to the wolves for trying to make a seeite game into a good thing? Nobody calling for Tinordi’s head because he stood there while a breakout occurred at the same time? Where are the Trolls when you need ’em!

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • spos080808 says:

      Fear not, Timo will post at some point.

    • ross says:

      They were there in the game thread; might just be the hour of the night. I’m sure they’ll be back before too long.

      Fleury, Pavelec, Backstrom, Lehtonen, Enroth, and Bobrovsky all let in 3 tonight too, but they’re fine, they’ll bounce back next game. Cam Ward let in 6 last night, but he’s fine, he’ll bounce back next game. Price let in 3 tonight, but he’s just not what we need in a goalie.

  61. Un Canadien errant says:

    ***Re-posted from previous thread***

    This is a much easier game when it’s your goalie who’s stopping everything, not the other guy. Your veterans look ready and in charge, your rookies have this gleam about them, you wonder how many rookie defencemen you can carry on your roster at the same time, is it three, or four? Five?

    Anton Khudobin, as if he already hadn’t done enough as a Bruin, thwarted all our efforts tonight, stopping fourty shots before finally allowing a carom goal off Michaël Bournival’s shin pad. Yeah, him again. Anyway, Mr. Khudobin finished with a .976 save percentage.

    Carey Price’s successes were more muted, allowing 3 goals on 27 shots. While some will jump at this result and cry foul, I think we need to remember that he’s now working with a new goalie coach, and we should probably permit him an adjustment period, to work in some new concepts. Again, it’s pointless to rant and rave, or act rashly, he’s a great talent, and should be given time to put things together. We’re going to dance with the one we brunged, and there’s not much we can do about that, unless Canadiens fans want Marc Bergevin to start sniffing around the Vancouver goal crease. Or to sign Tim Thomas.

    I wrote about yesterday’s game that this is a results business, and compared the situation of Michaël Bournival to Gabriel Dumont’s. Gaston Therrien tonight on l’Antichambre did much the same, and explained that Mr. Dumont has been disappointing during training camp, and been sent off the main practice ice to practice with the ‘B’ team at the Brossard rink. Meanwhile, Michaël gets another start tonight, and bags the team’s only goal by being in the right place at the right time. Thanks for that one Andrei, but it’s not as if that was Mr. Bournival’s highlight for the night, he again buzzed around all game, and was a threat on a few point-blank chances. Looking at the scoresheet, he and veteran sniper Daniel Brière led the team in shots with six(!) Marc Bergevin’s only hope at this point is to keep giving games and hope he cools off, and/or screws up a couple of times, or he’ll be in a real pickle, he’ll have to do something crazy like trade a veteran to give him a roster spot.

    Jarred Tinordi is making a strong case for himself too. Again, how quickly things change. Last night, all we could talk about was Greg Pateryn, Darren Dietz and Magnus Nygren, they’d collected points, showed something on offence. With the gate slammed shut by Mr. Khudobin, it wasn’t the offensively-inclined D-men who hogged the spotlight, but rather young Jarred, son of Mark Tinordi, the former scourge of the league and slayer of forwards who skated with their head down. Tonight, Jarred was a chip off the old block, drawing attention of the fans and management and pusillanimous ‘Canes with three thunderous bodychecks, all of them clean. His mobility and hard work in the gym are starting to pay off, he’s no longer gangly or spindly, he’s solid and verging on intimidating. He’s another kid who’s causing Marc Bergevin headaches, and he vaulted to the top of the list for us weathervane fans.

    The veterans worked at getting ready. Tomas Plekanec and René Bourque had many chances on net and played hard, maybe giving it 95%, and Daniel Brière showed he can play with anybody. Andrei Markov knew this was a tuneup game and acted like it. He’s earned that dispensation, but it doesn’t apply to Raphaël Diaz, who needs to show that he’s a starting defenceman, with the youngsters nipping at his heels.

    So a game that generated many fewer high-fives than that of the preceding evening. Not a great result, but sometimes these can’t be helped.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

  62. Timo says:

    I love that Habs coach sees good things. That’s encouraging.

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