Therrien looks for positives after loss

The Canadiens saw their 11-game streak of picking up at least a point in every game come to an end with Tuesday’s 6-3 loss to the Islanders in New York.

But coach Michel Therrien was trying to put a positive spin on things afterwards.

“We fought back,” Therrien said. “We showed character. It could have gone both ways. We got some bad coverage with our penalty killing.”

For the second straight game, the Canadiens went into third period trailing 3-2, but this game had a different outcome than the dramatic 4-3 win in Boston Sunday night. The Canadiens tied it up on a power-play goal by Brian Gionta, but the Islanders responded with a goal by Radek Martinek on a shot from the point.

“I’m sure (Carey Price) would want to see the fourth goal, the point shot, but those things happen” said Therrien, who said the goaltender played a “decent game.”

Price surrendered five goals on 23 shots and has allowed 12 goals in his last two starts.

The Canadiens are back in action Thursday night in Carolina against the Hurricanes (7 p.m., RDS, TSN-HABS, TSN 690 Radio).

Islanders roll over Habs, by Pat Hickey

Therrien looks for positives, by Pat Hickey

The Numbers Game

Habs vs. Islanders photo gallery

Brian Gionta answers fans questions

Michel Therrien’s pregame speech before Toronto game


  1. punkster says:

    I despise Neil…but seeing him tune up Orr is a treat.
    (More of a draw I guess but Neil got a few good ones in.)

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  2. HabsinHam says:

    …oh yes, in addition, I think that Price needs to be involved in the game.
    The new system implemented, as effective as it is, limits the number of shots on the goalie.
    I seem to think that Price is at his best when he is stopping a higher number of shots throughout the game.
    It would be interesting to see the stats from last year when he was getting more shots on net per game.

  3. HabsinHam says:

    RE: Goalie Controversy
    Goalies are a different breed…moody and unpredictable.
    They are going to have some bad stretches.
    Look at St. Patrick, Dryden, Brodeur…they(‘ve) had some weak performances.
    Better to have these swings at this point in the season, as opposed to playoffs.
    Price will bounce back.
    Anyone remember the shellacking he got in Vancouver a few years back?…it served as a wake up call.

    • boing007 says:

      The Habs have to get into the playoffs first before they can test your theory.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  4. HabFab says:

    To all you advanced stats enthusiast, Berkie has what appears to be a well detailed analysis of how the Habs are doing over on EOTP.
    In all honesty, it is all Mandarin to me!
    This old dog doesn’t learn new tricks anymore.

  5. Habfan17 says:

    @ The Jackal

    I am a little worried about Clowe, he has never played a full season and his numbers went down last season and are down again this season. It may be nothing, but it may be a sign his best years are behind him due to his style of play.

    If he could rebound and it did not cost too much, he would be an upgrade on the left side. It would be interesting to see what a line of Clowe, Pleks and Gallagher could do. Put Patches DD and Bourque together, since Bourque scores better on his natural right side, 27 goals twice.
    Then Have Prust Eller and Gallchenyuk, and Moen, White and Armstrong.

    On the team 1200 this morning they were talking about some comments Adam Oates made. He does not like wingers playing on their off wings. He stated that the number of missed chances due to being on the off wing are very high. they went on to say that both Washington and Boston have lefties on the left side, righties on the right, and two lefties at centre and two righties!

  6. Sportfan says:

    So Tom the Bomb got claimed off the waivers and is now in Jersey! So who would you rather play for the Pens or Devils?

  7. Dr.Rex says:

    Report: From Neanderthal Newsweek

    Milan Lucic to come out openly as a Cave Man.

    • sackabooboo says:

      I feel for Lucic. Must be tough walking around knowing you are a Cave Man and not being able to talk openly about it.

      Why does something I have no control over have so much control over me….

    • sackabooboo says:

      That poor guy…one tough night in a Zoo and every time he turns on Sportscenter – the memory remains.

      Let’s trade Price…been a long time since the Habs have been fleeced….I miss it.

  8. boing007 says:

    Avalanche vs the Hawks tonight at the Madhouse on Madison, Chicago.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  9. The secret to staying happy is not go on the sports forums after a loss.

    We’re all good in this household, AND Price is still number on in our world.

    We’re just happy dad made us Habs fan at birth 😆

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures

    • Dr.Rex says:

      I saw your CBC clip the other night.

      I pass on my best wishes and respect.

      • Thanks, I missed it but am getting a lot of positive feedback.

        My message is that there is a huge link between depression and and concussions.

        There is absolutely no sense having hitting/contact in house league hockey. Kids just want to play and have fun and not have to worry about getting their head smashed by some kid who doesn’t know better.

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
        Custom Sports Figures

        • Bripro says:

          Hey Shane, I missed it as well, but read your link last week. All the best to you.
          I’m not so certain about non-contact at the minor league level.
          If there was no contact at the junior level, then I’d agree.
          And I’m not certain if it’s like this across the country, but in Quebec, there is no contact up to bantam unless you play double letters.
          So if a kid is a borderline player who thrives later on, like my son, and has never had contact before, the first year of contact hockey can be even more dangerous, because that timing is not there.
          He suffered one concussion, but it was his first game Pee Wee AA after never having playing double letters before.
          It was not pretty.
          I think it should be all or nothing.
          But then they get to the Junior ranks, and it turns from hitting to outright assault.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Hi Shane,
      I heard great things about your story on CBC, but wasn’t able to see it. Do you know if it’s available on line?

  10. For a bit of comic relief after a tough loss:

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  11. frontenac1 says:

    @habsync. Jimmy Roberts! Old Fish Face! The pride of Port Hope Ont! Was in a Christmas tournament up there when I was coaching Midget. Second game against a team from Georgetown,all hell broke lose on the ice and a two of our Lads went up into the stands. OPP showed up and let us off but we were tossed from the tourney. Never invited back again.

  12. frontenac1 says:

    @bripro. Damn, I miss that place! Saludos amigo!

  13. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. Yeah ,Left hand smokes too! Why the hell are people in jail for that too?Jeeze ,crazy buggers running free and smokers in the can?

    • Bripro says:

      I’ve got news for you @front.
      Around here, it’s smokes of every kind, from home-grown to Cuban.
      It’s booze of most kinds, including an on-site winery that the SAQ can’t touch.
      Online Casino and full Casinos that take bets from all over the world.
      And it’s “whatever you need… it….we’ve got it!”

      • Psycho29 says:

        Last fall my softball team had their annual golf tournament at the Lafleur golf course in kahnawake….
        When I got there some of my buddies who smoke were eating breakfast, puffing away. There were ashtrays on every table.
        No Quebec public smoking law there!! !

        • boing007 says:

          Might be a good time to move from Montréal and set up shop with a cinnamon girl.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • Bripro says:

          No law of any kind.

          • boing007 says:

            Most laws are made for anal retentives and people who like to be told what to do, what to think and how to behave. They are created by people who think that they know what is best for you even though they don’t know you from a hole in the ground.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  14. Propwash says:

    And now for something completely different….
    Some serious hardcore foodporn..

  15. mdp2011 says:

    All this Price bashing is really boring, can we go back to the Eller vs Desharnais debate? Those were some fun times, miss them so much.

    • shiram says:

      Eller is taller than DD AINEC.

    • Loonie says:

      Eller’s better.

    • Say Ash says:

      Remember the Ramo/Desjardins debate? Geez

    • habsnyc says:

      I like Price. I do not want to bash him. I just resent that he was foisted on the fans as a thoroughbread superstar. Price came in with insane expectations and while he is a dependable young starting goalie, he has not consistently shown that he is what management held him up to be. He was handed the starting job. He was voted to All-Star games ahead of Cup winners and ahead of Vezina winners. He has a top contract. He is the regular Molson Cup winner. But statistically, over every period and by every measure, he is somewhere below the bottom tier of elite and above the top tier of average. It is not fair to make him pay for prior management’s boasts, but I would like to see him either be super dependable or be able to steal a win when needed. So far he is neither super consistent nor can he stand on his head on request.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • olematelot says:

        He’s only 25, think about that, goalies doen’t reach their true potential till probably , what late 20s early 30s. Price is a keeper, lets not run him out of town. Then again he has a thick skin. Chill everybody.

        • Cardiac says:

          Mike Smith had a career year at 29 last season.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

          • boing007 says:

            And Smith made a save the other night that Price could have but didn’t.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • habsnyc says:

          He is definately a keeper. He has not reached his potential. Most elite goalies reach their potential within three seasons as a starter. It is rare for a goalie to win the Vezina without having been at least nominated within three or four years as a starter. Some players like Tim Thomas or Ryan Miller do become elite after more seasons, but they are more the exception than the rule. I hope Price becomes the best goalie in the NHL. It is very hard to find consistent goaltending. Other than Lunqvist and Rinne, there are not many. Price may never be elite but if he last another 10 solid seasons that is a tremendous tailwind for Montreal.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Loonie says:

        So your issue with him is really what it sounds like, your issue. Nothing Price has or hasn’t done, but a problem that you have with the expectations of him and the success that he had early in his career that created them.

        • habsnyc says:

          Pretty much. His numbers are fine. I have no problem with locking up a young better than average goalie with a premium contract. I am not bashing him for two weak games. I have no problem with the Halak trade. But, if today, I had to choose one goalie in the NHL for one game or one series, Price would be my seventh or eighth choice. That seems pretty good to me. Most teams would love a solid goalie ranked in the top 10. But, I resent that prior management went out of their way to overstate his skillset.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  16. HabsFansince49 says:

    i just listened to the Therrien tape. I have to admit I was dead wrong about this man. I wasn’t happy when the GM hired him although he had gone through an extensive hiring process unlike Gainey’s anointing of Martin. So far so good. Let’s face it: no one would have placed the Habs in first place at this stage of the season. Go back and check the the fearless expert predictions – Bob McKenzie, mindless Milbury and the rest. Even the Leafs would be ahead of the Habs this year.

    • habsnyc says:

      I agree. Therrien worked really hard during the lockout to give the team a viable system. I give MB and MT credit for making good decisions. The players are scoring the goals and winning the games. But, Therrien set the tone.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  17. frontenac1 says:

    @seps. Agreed the 4th line needs some chewing out by Mike. Moen? Is he injured or what? Armstrong? Get busy! Whitey? He’s scared sh#tless of getting of getting sent to the cooler again. Come to think of it, when has the Cube dropped the mitts this year? Mike should kick his arse too.

    • shiram says:

      Bouillon is not a fighter though, he had a good number of scrapsover the years, the most fights he had in a season is 5, and thats in 08-09.

  18. The Jackal says:

    Was just looking at Clowe… I am jumping on the get Clowe bandwagon.
    I really hope the B’s don’t get him.
    Hopefully we can get him, so long as we don’t overpay.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I am a little worried, he has never played a full season and his numbers went down last season and are down again this season. I may be nothing, but it may be a sign his best years are behind him due to his style of play.

      Ih he could rebound and it did not cost too much, he would be an upgrade on the left side. It would be interesting to see what a line pf Clowe, Pleks and Gallagher. Put Patches DD and Bourque together, since Bourque scores better on his natural right side, 27 goals twice.
      Then Have Prust Eller and Gallchenyuk, and Moen, White and Armstrong.

      On the team 1200 this morning they were talking about some comments Adam Oates made. He does not like wingers playing on their off wings. He stated that the number of missed chances due to being on the off wing are very high. they went on to say that both Washington and Boston have lefties on the left side, righties on the right, and two lefties at centre and two righties!


  19. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. Yeah I don’t even follow politics ,chr*st I thought Chavez was some goon in the AHL when people were posting about him yesterday. But going to jail for Indian Smokes? WTF?

  20. shiram says:

    How quick we get accustomed to success.
    I thought a reasonable goal for the Habs this year would be to make the playoffs while Bergevin made some moves to tailor the team to his like, and Therrien implements his system.
    That has not changed for me, I’m very glad to have our Habs where they are right now, I take each win with a smile, but the very few losses the team had so far are nothing to put a damper on my mood.
    How easily we forget the short-comings of last season.

    • Loonie says:

      Seeing where they are is nice and they are as good as their record. But like every other team they have weaknesses and it’s frustrating to see those weaknesses exposed.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hey your question about no trades and swap roster? I’ll stick with the Habs. Given what is upcoming and Timmins ability to draft, I like what the future holds. But you posed a good question bud!

      • shiram says:

        As of now I’d be comfortable in saying the positives outweigh the negatives.
        As Bergevin says, you’re always trying to improve the team, meaning teams are never perfect.

    • AlexTheNextOne says:

      Last season’s results never ended up bothering me TOO much.

      At least we never have to worry about something like relegation, like in European soccer leagues. Could you imagine?

      • Loonie says:

        The SEL has relegation too.

      • shiram says:

        It was a frustrating and annoying season to watch unfold, the boards on here were a complete mess of trolls, tankers and whiners… well more so than now anyways.

        • Bripro says:

          Although last night’s post-game comments weren’t too pretty.

          • shiram says:

            Last night’s bad comments were last seasons day to day postings.

          • Bripro says:

            That’s why (bite my tongue), I think I enjoyed posting more during the lock-out.
            Not so many posters, and certainly not so many trolls.
            This site was friendlier, because there was nothing going on, so the discussions were light-hearted.

      • Buzz Lightbeer says:

        Last years season was good in the fact that i got a lot done around the house,rediscovered my love of winter fly fishing,got to form a second band to play in and now have a certain #27 who will bring many years of jump out of seat joy.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I like where they are and am not totally surprised as last year was not indicative of the talent they have/had. Injuries and the gong show really hurt them. I will be very happy If they make the playoffs, and I would also be happy if they miss the playoffs by a point or two, continue to get better, and have a chance at the first overall pick.


    • Phil C says:

      “How quick we get accustomed to success.”

      Your post reminded me of Louis CK on Conan O’Brien with his “Everything’s amazing, nobody’s happy” routine. I could only find one with Russian subtitles on YouTube because NBC has blocked it.

  21. frontenac1 says:

    So Harper wants to throw people in jail for smoking those Indian smokes? Half the kids up in my neck of the woods smoke those and they are closing Kingston Pen?The guy is a complete dick! Saludos Amigos!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Normally I am against politics on this site, but if it avoids trading away half our roster, then to heck with it, let the politics fly Front!!!

      • ed says:

        ya, it’s the PM’s fault he’s trying to run a lawful country.

        the law should be respected. the idea of “sin taxes” is to force Canadians to pay through the nose for the sin of smoking, which costs taxpayers millions in extra health care costs.

        I have an idea.

        if your buddies want to buy smokes without paying taxes why don’t they pay for their own hospital bills when they are being treated for lung disease.

        because I shouldn’t have to pay.

        (is that the kind of post you were looking for Burly?)

        • Bripro says:

          But I suppose you’re willing to forgive smokers who do pay taxes on tobacco, but still cost the healthcare system over $1MM per person smoking, right? That’s makes sense too, doesn’t it?
          By the way, the average return in taxes vs. healthcare expense for the average smoker in Quebec is 7%. I don’t know about the rest of Canada.

          • ed says:

            who said that? you did.

            Is that what I posted?

            people who break the law should be held accountable.

            it’s really not a difficult concept to understand.

          • Bripro says:

            On that Ed, you and I agree.
            But I have to tell you.
            30 years ago, the native reservation next to our home town was fairly poor. Many people did without.
            Now? They’re quite comfortable, mostly.
            They are also a divided community because many condone the production and sale of tobacco. But most condemn it.
            But I can tell you that it’s help a lot of people financially.
            It’s a little conflicting.
            Also, in 1990, when the Surete du Quebec tried to close in on the local tobacco set ups here, our bridge was blocked for a few months, and my house, which I had bought and moved into 10 days before, was worth less than I paid for 6-7 years.
            I don’t want to go through that again.

        • The Dude says:

          Ed,no good comes out of placing our citizens in jail for stupid made up crimes…..Save the incarceration for Murderers ,rapist , POLITICIANS,Used Car salesmen,Stock brokers,Real Estate salesmen and Lawyers 😉

          • Timo says:

            … and the Bruins.

          • ed says:

            murderers and rapists agreed.

            politicians are elected, used car salesmen, stock brokers, real estate salesmen and lawyers???

            dude, there is such a thing as “free choice”.

            people are given the freedom to choose who they want to represent them, and if they choose the wrong people then that is their own doing.

            I respect the average person and expect them to judge the good people from the bad.

            if you don’t like the politician vote against him; if you don’t like the businessman or lawyer you sited, take your business elsewhere.

            there are good people in every profession.

            we just need to go out and find them.

        • boing007 says:

          All laws should be respected, even stupid ones. No thanks. They make up laws as they go along.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Bripro says:

      I’d love to see him come here, eh front?
      We all know how our locals will handle politicians.
      Another blockade. Another 14% drop in residential values.
      You are so right. He’s a complete AH!

    • Danno says:

      Harper is the Chara of Canadian politics


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  22. Marc10 says:

    Swapping Habs with a three year view… And I can’t say Chicago…

    St Louis

    • Kooch7800 says:

      That was the team I picked as well. Big, fast and skilled

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Marc10 says:

        Can’t pick the Oilers as they have no D or goaltending.
        Can’t pick Boston because they’re evil.
        The Rangers pissed away all their grit.
        Philly has no D or goaltending… and they’re evil too.
        The Kings have the pieces, but they’re alcoholics off a cup hangover.
        Vancouver are chokers.
        San Jose never delivers.
        Detroit is old.
        The Wild are not well balanced.
        Ottawa is a work in progress with solid goaltending and great coach… but they need more pieces.
        Anaheim, they’re an interesting swap if they keep playing like they are, but I like St Louis better.

  23. Habfan17 says:

    About 10 years ago, I watched a special where they spoke with ex Canadiens who played in the 70’s where they lost 8 games one year and 10 in another. When they were asked how they did it, the answer was, ” we wanted to prove to the best teams that we were the best and we didn’t want to lose to the weaker teams and be embarrassed. That is the attitiude these Habs have to have. I doubt any team will ever go a whole season and only lose 10 games, let alone 8, but they do need to keep to the “No Excuses” mantra and stay up for all teams!


    • habsnyc says:

      In his autobiography, Larry Robinson wrote that they won beacuse they were more willing to suffer the pain it takes to win. In his book, Esposito said that the Bruins took every loos perosnally but many players on the Rangers did not mind losing.

      Given the salaries, I can understand how some players might be happy to play a decent game, collect a paycheck and avoid injury. I do not think it is possible to assemble a full roster of players with talent and attitude for more than one or two seasons.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • AlexTheNextOne says:

        Hmm, interesting. I doubt very many people look at salaries being a detriment to the game in that kind of way.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I guess there are many ways to have the winning attitude. I did read Robinsons book too and also read somewhere, I think it was about Jimmy Roberts,saying the bones in his shins were like rubber from blocking shots and that they were barely healed by the time the next season started. That speaks to what Robinson said. Equipment back then was not what it is today.


        • habsnyc says:

          Jimmy Roberts played the 77 seminfinals against the Islanders with cut fingers and could barely hold a stick. In game two he scored the winning goal on a breakaway. It was a tight scoreless game until his goal. When he shot, his fingers exploded inside his glove, breaking all the stitches. At least that is how I remember the story, but I could be wrong. Suffice it to say, he came to play and was one of the best shut down forwards of the 70’s. Bowman trusted him. He played for Scotty both in St. Louis and Montreal then was his assistant coach in Buffalo. He was a glue guy, lasted over 1,000 games in the NHL winning five Cups and playing the nail biting last minutes of all the important games. Montreal would do well to bring him into the locker room once in a while.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  24. frontenac1 says:

    Looking for positives? How about Prust didn’t have to take on another Heavyweight last night?Anybody else noticed the Prust looked tired last night? He plays regular physical minutes,Plus regular penalty kill minutes,plus he has to babysit the little guys ,plus he hasa to take on heavyweight! For Chr*st Sakes Marc! Hurry up and get him some help in the form of a Good Heavyweight!He is going to get injured!!

  25. Loonie says:

    If you weren’t allowed to trade any players for the next three years, which team would you swap our entire team for today?

    And to make it fun, exclude Chicago and Pittsburgh.

  26. BJ says:

    Tom Kostopoulos picked up on waivers by the Pens. Make that the Devils. Just noticed Stubby had already posted this.

  27. BJ says:

    Does anyone know what line Ryan Clowe plays on 2nd-3rd?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Currently 3rd. He is good enough to play 2nd line but this year he is sucking it up pretty hard.

      His numbers have been declining over the last couple seasons but I would still take him if the price was reasonable

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • bel33 says:

        Apparently a lot of teams in the East are thinking the same thing… and I posted a tweet earlier that said Boston is said to be one of those teams. We know they have the capspace now #jacka$$thomas

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The Pens, Leafs, Philly, Habs….basically all of the playoff East teams with Cap space would discuss I am sure if the price isn’t insane.

          I am not sure that MB will go crazy at the deadline other than maybe dumping some people for picks.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  28. Phil C says:

    This loss doesn’t bother me at all. A team often learns more from a loss than a win. When they were humiliated by Toronto on home ice, it was the perfect lesson that if you get away from the system of pressure and team defense, even a team like Toronto can light you up. The result was 100% buy-in to the system after the Toronto game and you can’t get that from a win.

    Last night they stopped skating again in the second period. New York started winning all the puck battles and races; before they knew what happened it was 3-1. A good lesson that if you stop skating, even a team like the Islanders can slap you around. Can’t get that from a win.

    The Islanders also exposed a team weakness, which is the PK. The coaching staff and management now know that they must fix it, either through adjustments or personnel changes. They really miss Diaz on the PK (but no excuses I guess). Again, it’s good to find this out now instead of in May.

    I really liked the way Plekanec was able to convert the Galchenyuk pass into a goal. It was not a perfect pass, but Plekanec had the elite offensive talent required to finish the play. There have been so many similar passes to Prust this year that have not been converted. I love Prust, but Galchenyuk would benefit from more offensive talent on his line. I would like to see Galchenyuk with Plekanec, and Bourque on the right when he is back.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Funny you post that. After the loss, I commented to my wife that a loss every so often is not a bad thing. It exposes things that the team may need to address. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it means radical changes need to be made, but adjustments that may not have seemed necessary before can be done.
      The Habs played some of their best hockey in ages after the 6-0 loss to the laffs.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • ed says:

      hey Phil, remember we discussed Gionta at 3 goals? he’s now at 7 I think. Scorers have a way of finding the back of the net.

      • Phil C says:

        Yes, you were right about him being ready to break out. 4 goals in 4 games is pretty good. None of those goals were assisted by Plekanec though, I still think he would be better with another centre. If you look at the tying goal in Pittsburgh, Eller made a nice drop pass to him, whereas Plekanec would have shot there.

        So what else to see in your crystal ball? 😉

  29. Marc10 says:

    Love it or loathe it, 24CH is giving us the kind of access we never had. The camera guy seems to be having fun and building a decent rapport with the guys.

    Therrien post Islanders is looking for positives. There’s one: Brendan Gallagher. That kid makes a lot of people look slow and old.

  30. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    Reality (in my opinion) is that we were not as bad as our record last year, and not as good as our record this year. MT has gotten pretty much everything possible out of what he has so far, but that is not sustainable. The Habs are good enough to be a playoff team, and maybe even make a little noise once they get there, but they have some holes to fill before they get to where they want, which is being an elite team year in and year out.

    In my estimation, there are a number of players who still have varying degrees of upside to their games:

    After that there are players who are pretty much as good as they are going to be (i.e. you know what you have):

    Then you have those who are fading:
    -Markov (love him, but he’s not the same player)
    -Moen (what’s with him anyway?)

    The team that we have right now is not good enough to contend right now. Barring the addition of an elite forward and a physical shut down d-man, I don’t think we’re going to be a serious contender this year – maybe a bit of a run, but it would be shocking if we won it all. Thus any moves that MB makes are going to be ones that can help right now, but are not going to hurt us in the future/will help in the future as well. Don’t look for any rentals that are going to cost us high draft picks/prospects. We’ve still got a ways to go but with a bunch of picks in the first 3 rounds this year, and what’s already in the system, a couple good moves by MB in the next year or two could see us be contenders every year. Until then we’ll have to be content with a pretty good team playing good hockey that has a chance to get on a run in the playoffs, and has a bright future. I’ll take that over anything that we’ve had for the past couple decades.

    • krob1000 says:

      looking around the league I would have to disagree …I like your list ..might put Diaz on the list of improving though. The overall view and opinion of this post is similar to mine but I would trade a 2nd this year for a good rental if one become availalble and the Habs keep up the pace.

      • Loonie says:

        Giving up a second should depend on what you’re getting.

        I wouldn’t be giving up a second round pick for a rental who isn’t either an excellent upgrade on defense or a physical twenty goal scorer at forward.

        If we’re talking about guys like Aucoin, Vandermeer and the like nothing more than a 4th or 5th round pick should be sent the other way.

        If we’re talking about a guy like Clowe, Raymond, Prospal, Streit, Fistric or Murray I’d be okay with a second rounder.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think MB is looking to make hockey type deals like he did with Cole. I would not be surprised if he traded another roster player.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  31. pmaraw says:

    if gorges is the first to ‘come out’, any guesses on who the second will be?

  32. L Elle says:

    I have a trade idea. Please trade me to another Habs’ site that actually values and likes our teams’ players.

    You might get a 1st round troll and a third round Negative Ned. I’ll sign the NTC right away. 😉

  33. Strummer says:

    Markov played 27 minutes last night.
    When the team was successful earlier on, MT was managing the minutes to keep them more evenly spread out.

    He may want to re-visit ice time distribution.

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • krob1000 says:

      HE had Diaz eating those mintues at that point though…but Markov did get a few too many

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      There is no way he should be playing more than 20 min, especially during the regular season. If Kaberle and Bouillion are only playing 11-13 min, I would rather see a kid from Hamilton be given a chance. At least they are bigger and can fight if need be.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  34. Seps says:

    Why would we ever want Gabriel Dumont in the lineup… Unless he’s replacing Desharnais, Gionta or Gallagher it can’t happen. You can’t have 4 forwards below 5’10 in your lineup and not get beaten down. It’s too many in my mind already with 3.

    • Loonie says:

      Dumont, like Gallagher plays like he’s 6’2.

      • Seps says:

        That’s great but he’s still not 6’2 at the end of the day. He’s not someone who can take care of anyone on Boston really. Any scrum and Gallagher just gets tossed aside like a child. Not a knock on him as I love watching him but like the wisemen say, everything in moderation.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      He plays a Gally type game. Crashes the net big time. I would put him in, move White to the wing and bench either Armstrong or Moen. He can kill penalties, block shots and even fight too (lightweight).

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • bwoar says:

      He’ll be replacing White any day now, by the looks of it.


  35. Loonie says:

    Carey Price’s save percentage in the Habs most recent playoff series.



  36. Danno says:

    Maybe Therien’s ban on Triple Low Fives has cramped Carey’s style?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  37. Andy and the habs says:

    When will the HIO medicine be delivered. As we all know the HIO is bi-polar and the only fix a the Canadiens win. Last year we were last place. I knew we were better than the last place the canadiens turned out the year before. But I did not think we would be this good. I’m a happy camping here regardless and I think we have a good reason to be optimistic about the future.

    Until we get another fix I’m not reading these bull s*** comments, only the front line news.

  38. bel33 says:

    Don’t know if this was mentioned:
    Comcast SportsNet’s San Jose Sharks Insider Kevin Kurz tweeted on Tuesday night that, “Lots of Eastern Conference scouts at the game again tonight, including Boston, who some think are scouting Ryane Clowe.”
    If Boston gets ANOTHER big forward…..
    I really hate Tim Thomas and his stupid career move now… I liked it when it was handcuffing the Bruins.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      If the Bruins get bigger and play with discipline, it will be very difficult to beat them without any changes.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • RetroMikey says:

      If Boston gets another forward, it’s going to be lights out for the Habs if Bergevin or Dudley don’t trade Gionta, Weber and a few others to get bigger.
      Such a poor performance by most of the team last night being inconsistent (why can’t we be like ANaheim or Chicago with consistency?) and particularly some others who came into the game overconfident after a fluke win in Boston, right Max and PK? …..oops

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • The Jackal says:

        We took Boston to 7 and OT with a smaller team, and we easily could have won that series.
        Boston beat us 2-1 this season, and we outplayed them.
        We beat the B’s 4-3, coming back from behind, and we played a good game.
        It was not a fluke. It’s not about size, it’s about toughness, and this team is tough and scores goals. The B’s are mediocre without Chara. They have some dangerous forwards but they will have to move some guys for Clowe anyway.
        The Habs can take them on, it’s been proven.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          The Habs will be competitive, no doubt. I’m just worried they will not have enough in the end.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Exactly Jackal. People have short memories. When the bruins won the Cup, they did it after taking out Pacioretty.
          If he was playing OR if Chara was not after what should have been a suspension, there’s no doubt in my mind that the Habs win that series, probably in less than 7 games too.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • RetroMikey says:

          1 game does not make the team better. Playoffs are different, players step it up especially the bigger players and their physical play they bring to the game.
          It’s been shown many time in previous playoffs where smaller players are drained out after a first round or second round when they take the physical beating.
          Habs need to take it on by getting bigger in the playoffs if they are to succeed.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Actually, I agree that they need to get bigger. I’d say it’s most glaring on defense.
            I also think it may be true that even had they beat Boston, they may have had difficulties getting through the rest of the playoffs, but that’s just speculation.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • The Jackal says:

            Habs are bigger than they were last time.
            Last time they faced Boston it was a smaller team that played with less grit.
            DD, Gally, and Gionta may be small, but the rest of the team is average size or greater.
            We can take the B’s and we can score goals.
            What worries me is the D – got a few geezers on the back end that need to play less minutes. They need to stick to their smart play and not try to chase forwards.

  39. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    My observation from last night is that everybody sucked. From Price’s glove hand,to horrible D coverage,an energy-less 4th line,bush league special teams etc. etc. Actually everything i expected when we play the isles. They can sure bring out the suck in us. Maybe some emotional comedown from the Toronto,Pens,Bruins game.
    One thing that really sticks out is the awful powerplay. So many chances to put the game away but no. Can’t enter the zone,losing battles on the boards,nobody causing havoc in the crease,no creativity,predictable. Subban one timers are the only thing that seems to work,at least he can hit the net now. But for the most part it’s too painful to even watch.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I thought Chucky played much better. Set up Prust beautifully but he could not pull the trigger. One bonus was that they made adjustments to the PP so Subban can get off more one timers.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Buzz Lightbeer says:

        Ya Chucky did play a pretty good game and it was nice to see some PP adjustments but man do they look rigid for the most part,need a stretch of days off for practice which won’t happen until the summer.
        Some days it’s easy to be a pessimist. Probably why i like this site so much.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          It is not pessimism. It is realism. The team is not really a number one team. They do have some faults which hopefully will be addressed. Still a long way to go…

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

          • Buzz Lightbeer says:

            The curse of watching a #1 team who probably shouldn’t be a #1 team is the games when we come back to earth and do see that reality it’s an “oh ya” punch in the stomach moment.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            What’s the difference between “really” a number 1 team and a team that is “actually” number 1?

            I agree that the team can improve but being number 1 is REALLY being number 1 in my book.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Buzz Lightbeer says:

            Maybe just insecurity from being a last place team,maybe from games like last night that make you go “uhg”. Hard to say,just don’t feel it i guess. But i am enjoying the ride.

        • boing007 says:

          It’s a Pessimists Delight.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • The Jackal says:

          It sucks that we lost last night but I wouldn’t say we are coming down to earth. The season is half way done and we have been consistently good.
          The B’s blew a three goal lead to the Caps.
          Things happen, teams lose and play bad games.
          We’ve been good most of the time and I don’t think that’s luck.

    • Danno says:

      Gallagher still played with lots of intensity. PK had a good game too.


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  40. habsnuts says:

    how do i add an avatar to my profile?

  41. Bripro says:

    Given the lacklustre effort last night, I wonder if MT will try to add Dumont to the lineup.

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    Remember when Carey Price handed those two home games to the Bruins after we took a 2-0 lead in the 2011 playoffs?

    This allowed Boston to win the Stanley Cup that year, which is the worst thing ever. Certainly the worst thing of the 21st century.

    Compared to letting that happen, a soft goal or four to the Islanders is nothing. Complaining about that is like complaining about some architectural modifications Hitler made to the Reichstag.

    • The Jackal says:

      Handed the two home games to the Bruins?

    • mike3131 says:

      But he arguably stole the first two. And the last three. Luck just ran out and reality took its toll in the 5th and 7th.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Quite the soccer games yesterday. That red card call was brutal. I personally was happy as Dortmund won. Did you get to watch the games?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        HabinBurlington – love all your comment but please, never, ever, talk about soccer here! Pretty please?

        Soccer talk is almost as bad as talking about politics here.

      • Strummer says:

        Red card was a travesty!

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The red card was justified. It could have been a yellow, but a studs up challenge often gets a red card. So harsh yes, but not a travesty in any sense of the word.

        Fergie should have organized his team after that instead of freaking out. They only had to hang on for 30 min. Even at 1-1 it was heading to penalties.

        For what it’s worth Roy Keane thinks it was a red:

        Watching Juve – Celtic now. Not a very competitive match (Juve 4-0 ahead on aggregate) but always nice to watch the sublime Andrea Pirlo do his thing.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Really? Okay, you are first person to say justified. I didn’t care either way as I don’t follow/like Real or United. BUt always good to hear a different opinion.


          • HabFanSince72 says:

            To be clear – it could have been a yellow. But going into a challenge studs up is dangerous play and that is a red.

    • Danno says:

      That was the series the Bruins won three games in OT and we were without Max Pacioretty because of Lurch trying to rip his head off.

      I have no doubt if Pacioretty was in the lineup we would have won that series and moved on to round two and who knows what would have happened after that.


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  43. Timo says:

    “zababes1 (Pat Hickey): #Habs optional – two goalies, Weber Kaberle Dumont Nokelainen and Galchenyuk ”

    Some things never change. Team stinks up the joint and get time off. Wow, it’s good to be an NHLer.

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    23 games into an “on the fly” rebuild and we’re in first place. Man does this team ever suck!

  45. Loonie says:

    Price the “average” goalie has in 275 games allowed two goals or less in 180 of them.

    One or less in 102 of them.

    • shiram says:

      so he’s been good about 66% of the time then

    • Cardiac says:

      What are Halak’s numbers…? 😛

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • TheLogician says:

      I don’t think most of the Price “bashers” would disagree that he’s a good goalie *in general* – hence the 180 games with 2 or less goals. Their issue is with what’s going on in those other 95 games.

      For one, he seems to have a tendency to let it pour once it starts to rain. i.e., one soft floater quickly turns into 2 or 3 more in the same game.

      Also, those other 95 games might contain some pretty clutch ones. Not sure if they’re included in your #s, but playoffs being an applicable example.

      All that said, I consider myself a Price fan – when he’s on, he’s on. I just wish the “off” games weren’t so extreme at the other end of the spectrum. And hopefully I get to see my playoff doubts proven wrong…preferably in the near future.

    • commandant says:

      Loonie, did you see how bad he looked on the 6th goal last night though… He wasn’t even in the play.

      Go Habs Go!
      Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports

      • Loonie says:

        Haha. My favourite quote regarding that game was “the fourth goal MAY have changed direction”.

        A puck that is going to hit a blocker touches the ice a tenth of a second before getting to the goalie and it may have changed direction.

        Great analysis.

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Everything will be okay, Eklund says Montreal appears to be buyers as trade deadline approaches. THis should pacify many here.

  47. Mattyleg says:

    An interesting look at Quebec and Montreal, as seen by Montrealers.

    Not for the easily offended.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  48. Habsrule1 says:

    Who would have thought Therrien would be the voice of reason?

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  49. Bripro says:

    To: Stan Bowman, V.P. and G.M. for the Chicago Black Hawks
    From: Marc Bergevin, Montreal Canadiens

    Hi Stan,

    Sorry we didn’t make your sunday dinner. But Mike Therrien and his wife showed up. Mike had a migraine and had to lay down. When I went in to get him, he was muttering… bad fans, bad fans, bad fans.

    Anyhow, I wanted to present you with a proposal. Since you’ve had so much success in moulding your current team, and by the way I must congratulate you on your team’s current success. It’s exemplary.

    What’s all the more satisfying is the phone call I got from Jeremy, first complaining about all of our diving, then whining that you’re about to surpass a record that they’ve never achieved. He needs a valium.

    Anyhow, I was wondering what you would think if we tried exchanging players for a few weeks.
    As you know, Montreal is a hotbed, and after our loss last night, I arrived home to a burning effigy in my front yard.
    And Mike called to say that someone left a burning poop bag on the front step, and a sign that read “We want Gomez and Halak back!”

    And since this won’t happen, I thought I could send my guys to you for a little conditioning, and to save my a**.

    I know this is a little pre-mature, but it’s the Montreal way, and always has been. You can call it our drive for 25.

    Let me know what you think.


    Marc Bergevin

  50. Habitoban says:

    Stating the obvious, but boy do we miss Bouque along the wall, on the forecheck/backcheck, and in front of the net. He was doing it all most every night.

  51. 24 Cups says:

    Hamrlik going to the Rangers is a good move for both parties.

    Rangers – His cap hit for the rest of the year is 2M which the Rangers have room to accommodate. They pick up a depth Dman now instead of giving up an asset at the deadline. Hamrlik is 38 and on the clock, but has only played a handful of games this year. Perfect fit in terms of what is needed and what he can offer.

    Hamrlik – He doesn’t have to consider going to the minors to get the rest of his salary and also gets a realistic kick at the can for one more Cup run. The only issue for him is how the guys will respond to him in the room after his lockout “sounding off”. It may not be pretty, but sure beats having to put up with Ovechkin’s bullshit.

  52. jrshabs1 says:

    Isn’t Gorges engaged….Why is he coming out on my Habs official facebook page? My leaf fan friends are in a frenzy. I don’t care if he’s gay..

    Go Habs Go!!

    • The Cat says:

      Yeah I dont either. Its an odd rumour to start.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • sheds88 says:

      careful, i asked the same question last night and got hit by the hall monitors ( habitant-in-surrey & Frank2468 ). their arguments didn’t make any sense but just a heads up. and ya, weird that it is on the facebook fan page. maybe we don’t have the “Official” page

  53. Loonie says:

    There’s no need to react harshly to a loss and trade everybody. But the following are facts.

    1. This team under Therrien and seemingly Bergevin is going to continue to play a more aggressive style of hockey. Players who can’t win battles on the boards routinely or at the very least compensate for lost battles with positioning and speed are going to be moved.

    2. The battles this team has lost in front of the net and on the walls have lead to these gimmie goals on Price and Budaj. When they don’t win their battles on the walls they’re weak and outnumbered around their own net.

    There are quite a few players on this roster who don’t currently fit the system they’re playing. If those players don’t adjust they’ll be moved as I said above. That’s not an indictment of them, it’s reality.

    There was a time when a guy like Ryan Clowe was a terrible fit with this team because he’s slow. His inability to keep up in the speed department would have made him a terrible fit, that’s not the case today because this team plays a more physical style on the perimeter.

    It wasn’t a knock on Clowe then, he’s an excellent player, but some players are well and poorly suited for teams.

    More changes should be coming.

    • The Jackal says:

      Who do you think are these players who do not fit in very well?

      • Loonie says:

        Bouillon, Gorges and Gionta currently.

        I have a great deal of admiration for each of them but they don’t fit in my opinion.

        • Timo says:

          + Moen, Armstrong, Markov.

        • durocher says:

          + White
          Disagree that Cube and Gorgy don’t fit

          • Loonie says:

            White wins battles on the boards all of the time. Bouillon wins the majority of his and is a better fit than Gorges because of his battling, puck moving and composed nature on the ice. Gorges thus far has been a horrible fit. Doesn’t win battles, can’t outmuscle players in front of the net, doesn’t move the puck well or quickly. His positioning in defending the rush is excellent and his shot blocking is second to none. That’s all he brings in terms of tangible benefit.

            His leadership and toughness are easily replaceable at a lower cost for a bigger body who can be more effective for this team.

          • Luke says:

            I think Gorges is miscast. I actrually think this is the biggest problem Montreal has… They have many good players, but the mix is off… especially on D and at Centre.

            Gorges is a 3rd pair defenseman on a decent NHL team. So is Emelin. Markov and PK are the only top 4 defensemen the Habs have. And PK’s a 2(ish) right now, and Markov a 4 (hurts me to say that…).

          • rhino514 says:

            Diaz is being underestimated by most posters on here. everyone wants to go out and and get a big Dman, but look at the goals against the past 3 games. Coincidence?
            Diaz is a regular on the PK, and last night the club got lit up for two more PP goals. Boone himself wrote Diaz may be the second best dman on the team, and he could be right. But he´s not 210 lb minimum so he is an afterthought around here.
            I agree we don´t have a complete Dman other than Subban, but on the other hand, none of the 6 we have are weak guys either.
            So if we make un upgrade, it would have to be for a real good, top pairing Dman, and someone like that is going to be either incredibly expensive either dollarwise or playerwise. Getting anything less than a stud and it just isn´t enough of an upgrade on what we currently have, and like I said I think it will be prohibitive to get a stud even in the unlilkely scenario where someone ends up being available.

          • Loonie says:

            Diaz’s incorporation in the lineup is critical but the fact remains that this team doesn’t have enough defensemen who can clear the crease and win battles in the corners.

            We don’t even make life difficult for opposing forwards in front of our net.

          • sheds88 says:

            as big of a heart he has, i could part with gorges for a big crease clearing, drop the gloves once in a while, type of D-man

        • The Jackal says:

          It will be interesting to see what moves the team makes.

          • Timo says:

            I have a strong suspicion that just like last year we will be sorely disappointed at the trade deadline.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Do they make a move if they are in 1st place at the deadline? Does it help the team or does it mess with success?
            I sure hope Bergevin knows the answer.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • The Jackal says:

            Maybe Timo. If we are making trades to improve the team for the long haul, then the deadline is not the time to make trades. We would be buyers and would get ripped off.
            The good moves we could make would be to move Kaberle and Weber for good assets like picks.

          • rhino514 says:

            I think Bourque´s health may be a factor. If there still isn´t a timetable for his return in a couple of weeks, I think the team gets someone who can play LW. I know many on here want a Dman, but you can´t win with only one established LW. Also if it starts to look like Bourque could be gone for the remainder of the season, it frees up a ton of cap space.

        • Steve C. says:

          Are they the homersensual ones?

  54. The Jackal says:

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but Gomez scored last night to help the Sharks beat the Canucks.

    If you thought we had issues in net, first of all, go check yourself for a concussion, and second, be glad we are not the Canucks. Schneids and Lou have had some ups and downs. I think the lack of an established netminder has Schneids doubting himself, while Lou is playing better than him, the Canucks goalies may be a bit distracted by the trade talk.

    In other news, Halak was lit up and yanked last night as the Blues blew their lead and let in 6 goals.

    The moral of the story is that every goalie has bad games. Every team has defensive lapses. The Habs are doing better than these two teams, so relax. Stop dwelling on the negative and enjoy first place while it lasts. Watch the Laffs get pounded by the Sens tonight and take in our climb back to glory and respectability.

  55. HAB - Have A Beer says:

    They were better than we were up front last night. We may have had more shots. Doesn’t mean diddly squat if we don’t put more in the back of the net than they do.

    Price kept 18 goals out but I didn’t see his team put 7 in Bottom line.

  56. durocher says:

    I’m glad there is a growing chorus of concern that the 4th line is impotent and that we need more toughness beyond Prusty. I’ll post my suggestions again:

    1. Trade Moen and a 2nd for Clowe
    2. Trade Weber and a 3rd for O’Byrne
    3. Sit White for Gabriel Dumont



  57. rhino514 says:

    So what happens to Hamrlik´s contract when he is claimed on waivers? Who pays it? Was he claimed going down or was he claimed on re-entry? Anyone know?

    • Loonie says:

      Rangers are on the hook. No half price additions and that was for re-entry waivers only prior to the new CBA.

      Rangers have to pay the rest of his salary and his full cap hit is on the books.

    • Whatever says:

      His new team pays his full salary/cap hit.

      I don’t think there are re-entry waiver penalties anymore, but I don’t know what the rules of the new CBA are. In fact, with the whole Ryan O’Reilly situation, not many people paid to know the new CBA know the new CBA. I think the NHLPA had a problem with players being sent down and buried never to return to the NHL because of the fear of paying half the salary.

    • otter649 says:

      Hamerlik picked up by Rangers on waivers & with Mark Staal injury last night appears to be insurance without to having trade assets for a player if the injury is serious & long term……

  58. Hoegaarden says:

    Hammer in the Big Apple !

  59. JUST ME says:

    Could not find much positive aspects with that loss. We are better than the Isles. At least against the penguins we managed to compete and stay in the game but yesterday we played their game. They tend to open the play so they can use their speed and puck control to get out of their weak zone in defense. We tried to copy their style and it just did not fit us. Those who blame number 31 forget the basic. You win as a team you lose as a team.

    We are still number one. Never too high never too low. Let`s get ready for tomorrow that`s all.

  60. The Jackal says:

    Fans need to take page out of Therrien’s book!

    Let’s trade em all anyway though!

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