Video clips from Edmonton room after Thursday morning skate.
Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and their Dad, Ryan Smyth.
What relevance does this have for Canadiens’ fans?
Only this: Lottery draft picks turn the room into a day-care … albeit one in which the kids are very talented millionaires.
Also, a couple of brief clips from the Oilers’ jam-packed room.
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The cap is going up next year. Therefore some teams will struggle to reach the minimum. Therefore there is still a slim hope of some team being cheap enough to take Gomez just for the cap relief. Therefore he plays.
Either way he wont be in the lineup next year. Either trade, demotion to AHL, or buy-out, in that order of preference. Though I think the Canadiens would buy him out before sending him to the minors, out of respect for the player and saving money.
Will this horrible season be one for the Habs’ record books?
http://dennis-kane.com/only-15-in-15-baby/
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“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
…rather the being too interested in the micro details of Our Team like line combinations or tonight’s game, My radar is more prioritized to any faint macro-level signs from The Gang That Can’t Shoot Straight (Molson, Gauthier & Cunneyworth)
…as in, for what of God’s-purpose is the sense to play Gomez another game this year ??? …when Eller, Leblanc, Geoffrion, Palushaj and a few others in Hamilton should be given extended TOI to evaluate fairly Their value for next season
…this not happening NOW !!! tells Me that any hope for forward-thinking, imaginative, creative leadership in Ownership, Management and Coaching appears futile …or, almost ‘criminal’ if You are a Fan looking for any sign of ‘hope’ for cultural-change in the way Our beloved Montreal Canadiens are managed
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
…the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
…ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
I think “God’s purpose” in this sense is Bettman’s purpose as the Habs need to play Gomez to keep above the cap floor. How crappy is that? If they don’t play him the habs will get fined
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
…an ‘enlightened’ Owner would prefer to pay the fine than waste opportunity
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
…the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
…ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Fines also include forfeiting draft picks…
still think an “enlightened” owner should do it?
why no comments
I have 2 tickets to the habs at buffalo for monday night (row 4 seats 1,2 at the sabres blueline).
I need to sell them as i have a semi final hockey game myself that night. I will sell them for what i paid, and that was 200. i live in st catharines, but could meet in the falls as well
matthbrennan@yahoo.ca
Well some positive news that we should all be talking about..a year after Max’s incident and this is where he is. Inspiring kid and he has his own foundation too. 28 goals- he’s a star in this league. Now that;s behind him. Congrats to him he deserves it!
TORONTO – The UFC has managed to do what the CBC and the NHL couldn’t – get Don Cherry and Brian Burke in the same room talking to one another. Sorta.
They were there to promote their upcoming heavyweight fight next month for media supremacy in the Toronto area but it looked more like a practice round when the two met at a morning television show.
Things started off badly when Cherry tried to do up Burke’s tie and the Leafs GM pushed him away, calling the Hockey Night in Canada celebrity an “antediluvial, pontifical fop.”
A temporary truce ensued while Cherry consulted a dictionary, giving UFC officials ample time to extol the three-round, 15-minute, no-holds-barred contest they’re billing as the “mega-event of the sports universe for the entire millennium.”
The Ultimate Fighting Championship representatives downplayed criticism that putting seniors into the cage for the entertainment of younger generations sets a dangerous, albeit lucrative, precedent.
The debate was cut short when Cherry let out a roar followed by an excited defence of his choice of attire.
“How dare you criticize me about how I dress, you blowhard! Or should I say, blowhaaaard, Harvard! Ya wanna talk about wardrobe, here’s one for ya: Ya ever thought of dressing a few Ontario-born hockey players for the Leafs? Didn’t think so, and look where it’s got ya, four straight seasons out of the playoffs. What’s that tell you, genius!”
“That I don’t need to take any advice from a prima don who’s never won a Cup. Got a few minutes? I can tell you how it feels. It kills me, your infatuation with players you compare to lunch bucket, blue-collar workers. Those beloved workers of yours would be laughed off the premises if they came to work wearing shirts with collars like yours. You should try loosening the tie, Don, get the circulation to the brain going again.”
“Well, buddy boy, ya keep yer tie loose as long as ya want, but I’m warnin’ ya now, a few more losses and there will be hundreds of fans showin’ up at yer doorstep, ready to tighten it for ya. And, if I offended ya, Burkie, don’t keep it in. Let it all hang out. Ya got my boss’s phone number on speed dial.”
“What’s this, you acknowledge having a boss? There’s hope for you yet, Donnie-Boy. I wonder just how patient you’d be if you had a loudmouth on your team who challenged your authority as coach. Every week.”
“If I were coach I’d keep my mouth shut as long as the guy delivered the goods. Every week. Which, if you checked the ratings, I’ve been doin’.”
“Talking fossils always draw big, Grapes. Add Topo Gigio as a sidekick and you’ve got an act that’s hard to beat. Although I know many viewers would love to try.”
Cherry caught Burke unawares with a right jab to his shoulder, but Burke countered with a truculent act of his own, an upper cut to Cherry’s clavicle.
“My what???” Cherry shouted, as he punched Burke in the stomach.
“The collar bone – where else,” Burke rejoined, in word and fist, the latter autographing Cherry’s jaw with the imprint of a Stanley Cup ring.
UFC officials immediately stepped in before the two could get hurt on non-pay TV.
– “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” –
Pour the Gatorade over this winner’s head, will ya?
A real morale booster….thanks for that!
That was funny as hell.
I hear they’re hiring at ‘The Onion News Network”…you should give it a shot.
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☞ If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong. ☜
So I tweaked my knee at work today, sure feels like I am coming down with the flu….
(sarcastic font)
be sure to tell your boss you will need a year and a half off, a raise and extension next year and several trips to Florida. And some chicken soup
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
Max Pacioretty is even better:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/a-year-after-the-hit-pacioretty-is-even-better/article2362197/
Perhaps we could get Chara to steamroll Gomez.
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Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.
Why is the Comments section closed on the next Blog?
That’s not fair! I wanted to be first….
I guess Grand Poobah Boone is tired of reading the same old rhetoric!
FIRST (reply to your comment)
Full Breezer 4 Life
Smart ass!
Must be the solar flares – get out the tinfoil hats!
…because Boone’s usual threads were not here this morning, I worried He had been busted with His call-in ‘masseuse’ at His hotel last night
…maybe He has downloaded from His cell in Calgary ?
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
I think he’s out looking for an extension mike for his little camera.
Can’t hear a thing on his little clips with all the yakking in the back ground.
…glad to hear (used ironically) I’m not the only One not able to understand a single word the Players were saying …not that I missed anything than the usual rehearsed platitudes anyway
…that must be the toughest part of a big market hockey player, the corn-ball repetitive moronic questions the media whores repeat a million times each day
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Need some help here folks, my cable just got cut off (they want to be paid EVERY month) how can I watch tonight’s tilt on-line? for free? Thanks all.
Someone will probably throw you a link, but honestly, just google “watch montreal canadiens online free” and you will find something.
Friggin’ cable company: like they really need more money
Full Breezer 4 Life
I just spent an hour trying to find something, then the lovely Wife said ask in here, so I asked in here.
As for the cable companies…. they have no sense of humour!!
Also, “Free streaming hockey games” brought up porn. Remember the good old days when you had to type “PORN” to get porn?
What happens when you search “Gomez Sucks”
THIS is what you need to see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZYIdmdx14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZYIdmdx14
While I appreciate all the good will and fun jokes, anyone got a suggestion (about the game online)?
http://atdhe.eu/
I hope you feel the love I’m sending.
Hah. I don’t know if you’ll still send me love after the game, though… depending on the outcome / entertainment level!
http://www.realtvsport.com/channel.php
finalball.com usually works when the wife steals the remote
Ha….. Mine can have the remote all week if she wants.
Re: Nugent-Hopkins
I hope is nick name is “Ted”
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“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Just “The Nuge”
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
Any word on Gomez? still raking those big bucks in huh
Pretty sure he is playing tonight, they got him a new 3-D visor he will be wearing. Apparantly depth perception is all that was lacking, he should be able to find the back of the net now!
Wow! He’ll go from playing Virtual Hockey to playing 3-D Virtual Virtual Hockey!
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
You’re painting him as being too virtuous!
Still dating Beiber i think. I’ll keep an eye on her for you, though.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/07/both-cherry-and-maclean-were-burkes-targets
…who will win ? …Burke ?, or CBC’s ‘les enfants terribles’, Cherry & McLean ?
…I’m backing Cherry/McLean …the lessers of 3 evils
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
The bigger question is: who give a rat’s ass?
…well, …I would miss Don’s seasonal fashion statements
…He helps Me keep-up with the trends before I shop for cool new threads
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
It’s always interesting to get a peek behind the curtain and see what kind of scumbag moves are being made. Especially when they’re being made by a guy who presents himself as the consummate Stand Up Guy, as Burke always does.
He comes off like a whiny little child. And can you believe the LEAFS are complaining about biased coverage on HNIC?? Hahahaha!! The gall. The audacity.
Full Breezer 4 Life
So Pat Holland got signed today, meaning he will likely be joining the Dogs once Tri-City finishes up their playoff run. I assume that Kristo will be signed the minute the buzzer sounds on the N. Dakota season (they are heading into the playoffs with Bemidji State this weekend). You have to assume that Tinordi will also be headed to the Dogs once London is finished, and Ellis will probably do the same once Shawinigan is done. Good to know that there is some talent on its way to Hamilton, cause it is pretty thin at the moment.
THey are going to love the summer in Hamilton. Maybe I will personally give them a tour of the Dundurn Castle, but no matter what they do in the Hammer, every day will be concluded with an evening in Hess Village!
I’ll give you a helping hand on that tour! Lazy Flamingo, anyone?
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Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.
Never a cover charge at the Flamingo!
Good point, next year in Hamilton is going to be very interesting with all the players coming up:
At forward there’s: Gallagher, Leblanc, Geoffrion, Holland, Bournival, Kristo (which sounds like a good top 6 for them).
On D it’s even more interesting: Tinordi, Bealieu, Ellis, Pateryn maybe Mac Bennet?
There are a fair number of solid prospects in the Habs system. They won’t all necessarily work out, but there is some definite talent there. Ellis has been one of the more surprising to me, considering he was a 4th rounder the same year Gormley went 13th overall. Obviously Shawinigan has loaded up and are a deep team, but he has come in there and been, for the most part, lights out. Good size, RH shot, just what the Habs need going forward.
There is a pretty good chance that London, Tri-city and Shawinigan are all playing longer into the summer than Ham. Shawinigan especially since they are hosting the Memorial Cup. London and T-C ranked 2-3 in CHL. Maybe they bring in Gallagher though and hopefully Kristo
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
Yeah, that’s a good point. There goes that theory…..
You think Kristo will leave university? I’m not sure about that. I’d imagine he’ll stick around to finish, so I wouldn’t expect him to sign.
Full Breezer 4 Life
If he doesn’t sign, the Habs get a compensatory 2nd rnd pick, is that right?
Edit: is that just for 1st round picks that don’t sign?
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
I THINK it’s only for first-rounders, and also only if they re-enter the draft, which Kristo wouldn’t. He can become a UFA like any NCAA player.
Someone more knowledgable may have better info on this??
Full Breezer 4 Life
You could be right. Wasn’t really thinking about whether he’d go back for a 4th year right now. Obviously the degree is important, so if he decides to finish it now, power to him.
I was of the impression that the Habs had until June to get him under contract or he becomes a free agent. I guess it will depend on whether he wants to start his pro-career now, or wait it out. Tough call, cause although he might want the degree, there is a shelf-life for “prospects”, and he could get passed on the depth chart.
As I understand it, he could leave university and sign with the Habs, OR he could leave university and refuse to sign with the Habs, thereby becoming a UFA, OR he could return to university for his fourth year and would then become a UFA two months after he finishes his studies, assuming he didn’t sign with the Habs.
Full Breezer 4 Life
hey anyone have the link to SeriousFan’s prospect updates?
http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/catching-the-torch-kristo-delivers/
If we put all the ex-habs on a team now we’d probably have a better team than we have now
OK there’s no finger-pointing here, just an elementary course in linguistic differentiation:
There – Adverb meaning “In or at a place” (e.g. Over there!)
Their – Possessive pronoun meaning “Belonging to someone” (e.g. It’s their house.)
They’re – A contraction of “They are” (e.g. They’re meeting us later.)
End of lesson one. It’s time for recess.
Loose – Opposite of ‘tight’.
Lose – Opposite of ‘win’.
Your – Possessive pronoun meaning ‘Belonging to you’.
You’re – Contraction of ‘you are’.
All hear this and tremblingly obey.
Resign : 1. To submit (oneself) passively; accept as inevitable: I resigned myself to a long wait in line.
2. To give up (a position, for example), especially by formal notification.
3. To relinquish (a privilege, right, or claim). See Synonyms at relinquish.
If a player signs with his old team, he re-signs.
I see a pattern developing here.
Okay, I will happily admit I cheated my way through the mandatory English / Grammar in High School and University. Let’s stop this lesson write now!!!
Aim good with it if your good with it two.
Please do your/you’re next.
It’s March Break, I thought we were off a week from school?
AHA!!! I knew my son was on here somewhere… Found you.
But your son is a Bruins fan?
That’s never stopped any of them from raiding this site. They’re the suggestive tankers.
lol
Should HAVE, would HAVE, could HAVE.
Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve. The “of” sound throws a lot of people off.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
Hope the hyper link works. Expect it didn’t.
Apostrophes should not be used to pluralize words:
The Habs: not “the Hab’s”
Five goals: not “five goal’s”
Full Breezer 4 Life
Thank´s.
Sorry, I couldn´t resist but you´re completely right. Funny thing is that people in my first language (German) are also using more and more apostrophes, even when it absolutely makes no sense.
Most people who are saying that we should lose games to get a good pick also tend to be the ones bitching and moaning that the Habs don’t develop their talent and throw names of lost ‘greats’ around like Grabs and O’Byrne.
I like this Exit Clause, actually. That way, they can temper their delusional thinking that a draft pick will relaunch our dynasty for all eternity with the proviso that our management (whoever it is – it’s not important… probably should be a human so that he’s fallible.. or a robot whose programmers they could blame… I guess as long as he’s not a God. But then again, he may prove to not be the ‘true’ God… y’see? there are always ways out…) is incapable of developing our talent.
“The tank that I exhausted people’s good humour on as I called for it since October would’ve worked IF we’d had competent management, but the Habs refused to hire ME, (the most competent person available -I’m still available, by the way) so now we’re still in last place 3 seasons later!! Now I look like an idiot, even though it’s not my fault! It’s someone else’s fault that I look stupid!”
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Mattyleg: En anglais, SVP.
http://www.dictionary.com
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Touché!
I think what you are saying could be boiled down to this: it seems that the people who bitch and complain are the people who bitch and complain.
Full Breezer 4 Life
Budaj Starts tonight, this is going to be an epic game of Battleship proportions.
B4 you sunk my Battleship!!!
How’d they get Price-berg to agree to that?
I thought he was going for the record for most starts in a futile season.
I think maybe Gump Worsely might be the current record holder with the Rangers.
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“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
It’s an good old-fashioned 4-pointer. Haven’t had one of those in a while.
I will probably be called everything bad under the sun. We have no chance in making the playoffs. That being said, I hope we lose tonight. I want the best possible percentages and chance in getting the number one draft pick.
Ok, Everythingbadunderthesun. There, feel better?
It’s wait for Draft Day and UFA day for Hab fans. Columbus is too far behind us to catch. Number 2 with a bullet!
So Markov missed morning skate with the “flu” cue the attacks!
Never. Playing. Again.
::dramatic music::
His. Career. Is. Finish. ed.
Look at Howie Morenz. Died of a broken leg.
Habs have always had weak players.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
They actually become weaker the longer they play here.
And smaller.
By the time Henri Richard retired, he was 3’9″, and a tossed peanut could put a hole right through him.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Markov hasn’t played consistently in over three years. Let it go already. He’s done, finished, kaput. So sad we got rid of Hammer and Wiz so we can sign this guy who’s more fragile than pottery.
It’s OK as long as it’s not the 40lb flu!
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“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Listed in deadline deals that have paid dividends is AK. Four pts in 3 games. Just goes to show what a player can do when used properly.
ability is what you’re capable of doing.
attitude determines how you do it
I always felt he got the shaft here being bounced around and benched.
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“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but did anyone else notice that PacMan got his 100th point as a hab last game? Way to go Max!
“Let’s be clear on the facts…”
…You know ?, Life is ALL about …waking up the next morning
…sometimes We take Ourselves a tad too seriously
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HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related
…the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
…ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Speak for yourself. I haven’t taken myself seriously since 2004.
You picked a hell of a funny place to have an epiphany, btw
Full Breezer 4 Life
LOL
Has anyone else taken you seriously since then? lol
ability is what you’re capable of doing.
attitude determines how you do it
Seriously?
I love this site.
I’m logged in, type a post, press enter, and it signs me out.
And my post is nowhere to be found.
So I log back in, and TADA…there’s my post.
I’m waiting for a little voice (in my head or out of the computer) asking:
“Are you confuzzled Brian?”
Yup I had those too.
Nice to know it isn’t happening to just me!
I prefer a team losing 6-5 than a team losing 3-2 or 3-0 which happened a lot this year…
What’s the difference?
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
more goals = entertainment
Well in that case, I prefer a team losing riding outlandish animals like llamas and platypuses, backed by silly music than losing 3-2.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Sometimes I think the NHL is headed in exactly that direction.
Now THAT’s entertainment!
LOL. I love it.
Any talk of preference of how the Habs lose is just stupid.
Are you the Old Spice Guy? Are you on a horse?
You know Matty, back in the day Harold Ballard’s job with the Leafs was booking the circus every year and other related type booking events. I am wondering if perhaps you aren’t exactly what MLSE is looking for in an owner right now. You would have all the fans distracted with the animals and music!
Except Ballard had family in the circus…do you Matt?
I could get the players to paint their skates white, and their sticks barbershop red-white-and-blue!
Bet THAT’s never been done before!
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
KONOPKA
Full Breezer 4 Life
Why do I get the feeling that the Oilers will still be crap in 3 years?
That is not possible, Tanking never fails.
But, tanking is based on failing? So tanking means always failing?
Bingo
Look where it got Rommel.
Erwin or Jimmy?
It’s always Irwin (pronounced Oi-win).
They need a new GM. That team is stacked up front but there defense is as bad as ours
“Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com“
And just like our team they don’t have a goalie
shit disturber …..lol
“Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com“
Couldn’t resist… I felt dirty after typing that though I must admit.
was that was sarcasm (we need a sarcasmic font)?
Yes, to both!
whew… I was worried I might have to “dislike” you
Is “sarcasmic” anything like “orgasmic”? If it is I’m all for one of those fonts!!
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Bring on zee Fembaahhts!!
I often experience euphoria and an urge to smoke a cigarette while listen to smooth jazz music after a clever sarcasm… so.. maybe.
Sounds like someone should dim the lights for Bleedhabs right about now! (Please note sarcasmic font)
giggity
I think if they have decent management in place, they could be a very good team for about 5 years, and then trade the “superstars” that they can’t afford for more draft picks and good role players.
Realistically, they should be able to be competativeteam for 8 or 9 years or so if they play their cards right (maybe longer if they do well with future draft picks)…. that is, of course, if they find a goalie and a few decent D men to go with their forwards.
On a side note, I was at the game where their forwards just picked apart Calgary a few weeks ago… If it wasn’t for Kipper, the score would have been 12-1. They do have a lot of talent (just inconsistent right now).