The year the Canadiens became the Keystone Kops

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The year 2012 was not a good one to be a Canadiens fan.

The first three-plus months of the year saw the Habs limp to one of the worst finishes in their storied history, and there was no hockey at all during the final three months because of the lockout.

The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs describes it as the year when the storied Canadiens became the Keystone Kops.

Writes Stubbs: “This was an Eastern Conference barge that seemed so rudderless, you half expected Joe Pesci to stroll into the Bell Centre to paraphrase his classic Casino line with, ‘These guys could (rude word) up a cup of coffee.’”

You can read Stubbs’s entire year-ender column by clicking here.

The Gazette’s Pat Hickey writes that it was former GM Pierre Gauthier’s bizarre moves that led to the downfall of the franchise.

Writes Hickey: “The 2011-12 season was a disaster marked by injuries, a dysfunctional team and incompetent management.”

You can read Hickey’s entire column by clicking here.

(Photo by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

 

161 Comments

  1. commandant says:

    Dogs losing 3-2.

    I love the way Beaulieu is playing though. He’s improved a lot from the start of the year.

    Also Gallagher ALWAYS falls on top of the goalie if someone touches him near the other team’s net. Always seems to fall right into him, LOL.

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  2. Haborama says:

    hmmm, i’m really liking this Boone Jenner kid…….

    I wonder what would it take to pry him away from the Isles………

  3. otter649 says:

    Watching The WJC and seeing the advertising on the goal mesh – Wonder if this type of advertising will find it’s way to North American rinks in the future……

    • Riga Fraction says:

      Still better than the walking (skating) billboards they make them dress up as in some of the Euro leagues. Anything short of that is better by comparison.

  4. tippytoes says:

    Sweet shot by Blunden

  5. Habilis says:

    Saturday night, snowing outside, fresh 24 in the fridge, and I’m watching the Hamilton Bulldogs.

    Bettman and Fehr, I hate you both.

    Best of the season to the rest of you and your families :)

  6. frontenac1 says:

    I think the WJC will all come down to Goal tending again. The guys on XM NHL are say the Russians have the two best goalies in the Tourney. Comments?

    • Riga Fraction says:

      They’ve definitely got a good one over there, I believe Binnington may be in contention for the best, and the US has a pretty darned good one as well. Russia’s backup is solid, but I don’t believe he’s ahead of Gibson or Binnington from what I’ve seen.

  7. habstrinifan says:

    PLEASE PLEASE MODS Dont delete this.

    It aint hockey but it is too incredible to not be of interest.

    From CNN.com…. a story about a decision by the Supreme Court of Iowa. What follows are excerpts from CNN’s story.

    ============
    Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?

    Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

    “The question we must answer is … whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction,” Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.
    Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.”

    • HardHabits says:

      Preposterous. The Salem Witch Trials all over again. It’s funny. Not really funny, damningly sad in fact. I read some of the testimony of the early trials. The first woman to be burnt was a young hottie in the town. One of the testimonies was from a man who claimed the young hottie was entering his thoughts at night with thoughts of lust. So basically buddy couldn’t keep it in his pants and it was the girl’s fault. Let’s burn her, the witch. Why? Probably because she didn’t put out.

      This ruling is no different. Hot woman are not the problem. It is men’s lack of self control that is the issue.

      The boss should be sued for everything he has.

  8. 123456 says:

    please folks, if you do not think the jenner hit was late then stop commenting – the players are a full face off circle width apart when the pass is made. late hit and i’d suspend him if i ran it. sorry thats just hte way it is – cheap shot and he knocked the guy out for weeks if not 2 months or so.

    • Riga Fraction says:

      Anyone disagreeing with your opinion doesn’t have the right to voice their’s? Mmm fair enough, in that case I disagree with you so you shouldn’t voice your opinion either.

      • The Jackal says:

        There was everything wrong with that hit. It was late, no question, and Jenner was not even near the guy making the pass! It was completely unnecessary – to send a kid home in an exhibition game. That has no place in hockey – it’s part of the problem mentality in North American contact sports that puts violence in front of skill. Hitting is fine, but there is a line between hits to make a play and a hit for the sake of hitting. There are hits now that are made for the sake of entertainment and are not even part of a play nor do they contribute to anything, and these hits are a problem. I hope they suspend Jenner, those plays make Canada look bad and are just the dinosaurs of hockey.

        Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

        • Riga Fraction says:

          It wasn’t late, it was well within the legal time constraints (it looks late if you watch a slo mo replay and count the time, but if you watch it at full speed, there’s next to no time between releasing the puck and getting hit.
          The injury was a fluke and a result of losing the hit, that’s unfortunate, but there’s no such a thing as it’s against the rule for a player to get hurt on a clean body check. The refs overreacted and called charging because he was hit hard, they didn’t call interference (late hit). They made the call based upon the injury and the over-reactions here are based on counting the almost a second on a slo mo replay (which is negligible on a full speed replay) and based upon the unfortunate injury that resulted.

          If you don’t like body contact, watch women’s hockey, they outlaw body checking there. however in men’s hockey there is body checking, it’s legal and if you dislike it, it’s not the sport for you. There is a difference (contrary to popular belief) between a dirty hit and a clean hit that happens to result in an injury. This is definitely the later and not the former.

          • 123456 says:

            the two players were 30 feet apart whenthe pass was made – so both players traveled a combined 30 feet after the pass until contact – that my friend is a late….. very late hit

          • Riga Fraction says:

            I believe your distance calculations are off. We have to disagree on this one, I don’t believe it’s fair to use a slow motion replay to try to determine how long after something occurred, that something else happened. In real time there was next to no time between the pass leaving the stick and the hit landing. As for estimated distances, that’s just not an accurate assessment as the circle is 30feet in diameter, they weren’t directly across the center of the circle from one another and they were both well inside the circle at the time of the pass. At MOST you’d be talking about 20 feet distance and even that isn’t a factor.

  9. commandant says:

    The hit by Jenner was definitely late, and worthy of a suspension IMO.

    As for the rest, the play of RNH, the play of Dougie Hamilton, and others who have been criticized here, lets remember that these are exhibition games, and these kids havent ramped it up to 100% as they are not fighting for ice time or for their jobs.

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  10. frontenac1 says:

    Mas Tequilla Amigos! Feliz Navidad!!

  11. Fake says:

    I know this is late to say this but I finally got to see Forsberg play, and he skates really weirdly.

  12. Ian Cobb says:

    I would send this lad home after this late hit, and while I am at it, I would send Hamilton home in a hurry as well, 6 penalties in two games tells me he can’t keep up at this level and has little team concept.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Hamilton is widely considered one of the best young d-men in the world – would have made the Bruins roster this year.

      He can certainly keep up.

      Discipline is the issue.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Since watching Dougie Hamilton play in last years tournament I haven’t been the least bit worried about this guy playing against us when he gets to Boston.

  13. ooder says:

    what a filthy hit by boone jenner, man this guy does not learn his lesson
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    • Riga Fraction says:

      I don’t see how they call that a charging penalty. He coasted into the hit and didn’t leave his feet. I don’t even see it as all that late a hit (unless you watch the replays where they pause the video or go into slow motion to make it seem longer than it was). The player passed the puck with the hit already coming and he finished his check.

      There are dirty hits and then there are just hits where one guy wins the hit. This would be the later of the two and not the former. of course he’s Canadian though and the tourney’s in Russia so he’ll be suspended in spite of that.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        It was a stupid hit and a dirty hit as well. Carrying those type of undisciplined players in a European tournament will just send us all home early with no medals.

        • Riga Fraction says:

          There was nothing wrong with the hit. Marginally on the late side at worst and even that is debatable when watched in real time instead of stop motion or slow motion as TSN has been airing it. Voluntarily sending home one of your top scorers and top defenseman at this point in time because you are disappointed in an exhibition game would rank as not such intelligent moves though.

          • Ncognito says:

            Late hit – 30 frames is a full second according to MacKenzie. I believe he also mentioned that a late hit is considered 0.5 seconds.

          • ont fan says:

            Late, late hit. He’s a knuckle head. If he played against us and knocked our guy out of the tournament, we would be enraged.

          • Riga Fraction says:

            MacKenzie was showing a slow motion replay for crying out loud. Counting time in a slomo replay isn’t exactly helping his case, it just shows what a doofus he is. If he hit pause he could make it last 30 or 40 seconds.

            Speak for yourself to the second poster. If a clean hit (no elbows, not to the head, definitely not a charge which is what the penalty was called as he didn’t take a run and didn’t leave his feet) were to result in an injury to one of the players on the other team, it would be disappointing as all injuries are, but only a fool would be enraged about it. There was definitely nothing malicious there, it was just a fluke that the other player was injured because the guy hitting him was stronger and the shoulder to shoulder check injured the shoulder/ribs of the guy on the receiving end. If not for the fluke injury, nobody would have even looked twice at the hit and no penalty would have been assessed on the play. Don’t confused unfortunate results with a dirty hit somehow.

          • The Jackal says:

            There was everything wrong with that hit. It was late, no question, and Jenner was not even near the guy making the pass! It was completely unnecessary – to send a kid home in an exhibition game. That has no place in hockey – it’s part of the problem mentality in North American contact sports that puts violence in front of skill. Hitting is fine, but there is a line between hits to make a play and a hit for the sake of hitting. There are hits now that are made for the sake of entertainment and are not even part of a play nor do they contribute to anything, and these hits are a problem. I hope they suspend Jenner, those plays make Canada look bad and are just the dinosaurs of hockey.

            Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

          • Riga Fraction says:

            Everything wrong? Did he take a run? No he coasted. Did he leave his feet? No, he kept them on the ice. Did he get his elbows up? No he had them down. Did he hit the head? No he got the player shoulder to shoulder. Did he hit a guy that wasn’t the legal puck carrier? No he hit the guy that had just passed the puck less than half a second earlier. Did he hit a guy blindside or from behind? Nope it was a text book shoulder to shoulder body check. There is absolutely, positively NOTHING wrong with that hit except that you think it makes Canada look mean ogre bad because they made a body check and the guy delivering it was stronger than the guy receiving it. That’s not how it works.
            It’s very unfortunate that there was an injury on the play, no one wants to see one, but an injury in itself doesn’t make a hit dirty. That’s just ridiculous.

  14. 24 Cups says:

    Just saw the hit by Jenner. The Finn player was miles from the puck. No brainer – suspension.

    Love the comment by Ferraro. He has to be one of the worst colour commentators in the business. Right up there with the retired Chicago shrimp goalie whose name escapes me at the moment. Can TSN not do better than these two guys?

  15. ed lopaz says:

    I have been a part of 20 years of losing following the team, but I never thought I would flat out dislike the Habs GM.

    Appointing Pierre Gauthier was the worst move Gainey ever made in this town.

    How Chicago – Stan Bowman – could have hired that man is absolutely beyond me.

    It took Gauthier until the Cammy trade to understand that we needed scorers who would pay the price in the blue paint to score the dirty goals -and it took a hell of a rant from Cammy to provoke that trade – which was consummated too quickly, without shopping around, and with a total lack of class.

    That trade said it all – lack of basic hockey instincts, lack of patience under pressure, lack of professional due diligence, and a lack of class to boot.

    Gauthier is the most overrated man in Pro hockey.

    He is simply not qualified to be paid an NHL salary.

    • RetroMikey says:

      We have to be the most overrated team in the NHL as well and our fans are no better in being optimistic year after year and expecting Lord Stanley to come back here just like the good old glory days..
      Let me be one of many Habs fans out there are pessimistic to where this club is heading for seasons to come.
      Why can’t most fans on this site admit that there will be at least 3 seasons or more will will have to experiment with youth and veterans and coaching change along the way?
      Yeah, it;;s always the GM or coach to blame, but as a whole, our players were no better, way too overrated and no skill whatsoever or grit compared to other teams out there.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • ed lopaz says:

        A GM is a paid employee. He is expected to know his job and act in a certain way, especially with professionalism and class.

        Gauthier was a failure.

        This is not a comment on the success or failure of the team’s performance on the ice.

  16. 24 Cups says:

    I’ll raise you one and make it a 100.

  17. Boomer says:

    I didn’t mind trading Cammy. Still don’t. Even if he ends up having another 30+ season in Calgary. It was the lack of shopping around and the fact we could of gotten more that bugs me. I remember when it happened one GM was quoted as saying “If I knew Mike was on the trading block I would of been on the phone right away.”
    Ahh the “could of’s” ey?

    • Dust says:

      Mike had limited no trade clause. Maybe that GM was from a team he couldn’t be traded to. Maybe that GM, who wasn’t named, was from the bruins or the leafs and the Goat didn’t want to trade with them. Cammy could have been shopped around to the teams that weren’t on his no trade clause and this was the best deal. You really don’t know

    • otter649 says:

      Cammy had quit on the team as he showed no compete on the ice just going through the motions if I saw it I’m sure his teammates/coaches/management saw it as well as other teams GMs. Calgary & Montreal had talked trade earlier in the season concerning the six million dollar man and it was time to get #13 out of town and was surprised The Habs got as many assets for Cammy as they did from Calgary……

  18. HardHabits says:

    I don’t get this article. 2012 was a great year to be a Habs fan. The team got rid of the unholy trinity of Gainey, Gauthier and Martin. For the first time in decades the Habs finally got a top tier draft pick in Galchenyuk. The team hired Marc Bergevin as GM. They retained Trevor Timmins. The team and its fans finally admitted and realized, that the team lacked the necessary size and grit to compete in this league, that the just making the play-offs scenario was good to keep the seats warm but wasn’t getting us any closer to the holy grail.

    But most of all… my Tank™ Theory was proven to be correct.

  19. naweed235 says:

    So what’s the general feeling here on Malcom Subban? Are we supposed to have a soft spot for him b/c he is PK’s brother and hope he gets the #1 job?
    I say screw HIM!!! He is now a Bruin and nothing will make me happier than seeing him turn out to be a bust draft !

    • Dust says:

      I dont care if he was a habs prospect. He is being outplayed. this is a short tourny and the other goalie is playing really well right now. In a tourny this small you go with the hot hand

      • habstrinifan says:

        Totally agree re playing the hot hand. And besides Bonnington (?) seems to be a kid with heart and determination and something to prove. This wont be the end of Subban’s career or even a real blemish on it… if he loses the no 1 slot. He seems to be also a level headed and determined young man. Good on them both.

        Of course I am NOT surprised to see naweed235 rant revel in the failure of a Subban… under the guise of being a HABS zealot.

  20. twilighthours says:

    Also, I only saw the one angle but that hit by Jenner looked reallllly cheap and he deserves a good long suspension for that.

    • neumann103 says:

      It was late and overkill.

      But it was the sort of play that happens pretty much every game in the NHL and is praised as “finishing your check’.

      It is something I have a bee in my bonnet about. Sometime around 20 years ago this sort of play stopped being penalized and instead became lauded in North American hockey. I grew up in the 1970s, arguably the toughest era of hockey and it was not tolerated. Taking 30 foot run at a player who has clearly already got rid of the puck was penalized.

      I am not a fan of punishing the result and I think the call for a suspension is based on the injury rather than the play, but if i were calling this game t under NHL rules that would be 5 and the game for Charging under Rule 42.

      There are a very few rule changes or standards of enforcement I really want to see, but calling this what it is and penalizing it is at the top of my list.

      “Et le but!”

  21. twilighthours says:

    Kaberle again? Awful trade by PG for many reasons. The biggest reason being that a team like Montreal can’t afford to have a soft player like kaberle on the roster.

  22. HardHabits says:

    I’m a bam ya Song (Hockey Czar)

    Show me the way to that vexed hockey czar
    Oh, don’t ask why, oh, don’t ask why
    Show me the way to that vexed hockey czar
    Oh, don’t ask why, oh, don’t ask why
    For when we do find that vexed hockey czar
    I tell you he must die
    I tell you he must die
    I tell you
    I tell you
    I tell you he must die

    Oh, soon I’m gonna bam ya
    Right in your beedy eye
    You’re lost and causing trauma
    And we must have hockey
    You gotta know why.

    Show me the way to that little petty boy
    Oh, don’t ask why, oh, don’t ask why
    Show me the way to that little petty boy
    Oh don’t ask why, oh, don’t ask why
    For when we do find that little petty boy
    I tell you he must die
    I tell you he must die
    I tell you
    I tell you
    I tell you he must die

    Oh, soon I’m gonna bam ya
    Right in your beedy eye
    You’re lost and causing trauma
    And we must have hockey
    You gotta know why.

  23. Cal says:

    Odd game. It looked like both teams were saving their best effort for the real thing Wednesday.
    Binnington looked focused and relaxed, but I thought I saw him move oddly a couple times and wonder if his stick side shoulder is bothering him.
    Way too many cases of trying to force the pass in the offensive zone instead of taking what’s there, but that’ll change over the next couple days in practice. Lots of talent out there, so I look for a couple of the high talents to raise their overall game and sacrifice by blocking shots besides putting the puck in the net.
    Ought to be a fun tourney!

  24. petefleet says:

    Spott needs to realize that the NHLers aren’t getting the job done. McKinnon and Drouin should have been out there for the 4 on 4. They are magic together.

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  25. petefleet says:

    Watching the second game of the pre tournament and gotta say I’m not impressed. For my money, McKinnon and Drouin are the best forwards out there and should be getting top minutes but aren’t. RNH, Scheifele, and Huberdeau are not performing as advertised. The whole team seems out of sync and undisciplined. Alot of bad decisions with puck by many of the Canadians. The goaltending issue should be solved today after this game though, Binnington looks really solid.

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    RGM
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  26. jols101 says:

    What a move by Drouin. Backhand top cheddar.

  27. jols101 says:

    Collberg is getting lots of PP time for team Sweden. He is good with the puck and has let go of some wicked one-timers just hasn’t found the back of the net yet.

  28. Ian Cobb says:

    Juniors are not playing very well as a unit yet. They better get it together and quickly! Or they won’t even get a sniff at bronze!
    Poor discipline, penalty killing and their break outs look like bantam’s.

    We have no excuses for this type of play except for poor preparation on behalf of management!!!

  29. Mike D says:

    In Hickey’s article, he states that the Cammy-Bourque trade was PG’s worst. I agree the way it was handled reeks of incompetence since it was done mid-game and they didn’t even let him keep his jersey (which is just pathetic). That said, the trade itself was excellent for us. Even Cammy for Bourque straight up would have been good. The fact we also got Holland and a 2nd round pick was gravy, and if either amount to anything, it’s just more icing on the cake.

    The Spacek-Kaberle trade however, was absolutely terrible. We needed that cap space (think P.K.) and did not need a Kaberle-type Dman even with Markov out longer than expected. With P.K., Weber, Diaz, and St. Denis we had plenty of offensive Dmen and PP qb’s to choose from.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • showey47 says:

      I disagree that the kaberle trade was a terrible one. IMHO is was taking one asset which has no value in spacek (proof shown that nobody would take him at the deadline last year and retired over the summer due to nobody wanting him) and brought one back that will get us an asset in a trade if we ever get hockey again. Kaberle gets a bad rap for his defensive liablilities but is a career plus dman despite being on some terrible leaf teams. The guy is also good for at least 40 points a year. What needs to happen is that he be paired with a solid shut down guy,not chris campoli,weber or diaz. Personally,i would give him all the powerplays minutes he could handle to pad his stats and move him at next years deadline. He will be very easy to move with a good offensive season next year and with no financial commitement to the year after. Considering the draft work of trevor timmins even getting a 2nd rounder would be a good return but even a high first rounder to a playoff contender i’ve always said is a good possibility considering two years ago he was traded for the equilivilent of 2 first rounds picks. If i’m marc bergevin i’m telling therrien to give kaberle all kins of pp minutes and pair him with josh gorges 5 on 5.

      • HardHabits says:

        JJ is not a shut down D-man. At any rate that pairing would need to be your 3rd pairing. Lots of cash tied up in a 3rd pairing if you ask me.

      • Mike D says:

        I guess to me, gaining Spacek’s cap space back at the end of last season was FAR more valuable than getting Kaberle in return (especially since he has two years left on his contract at more money).

        I’m actually one of the fewer people that believe Kaberle is tradeable, however, I think we disagree somewhat on his value in a trade. I don’t think we’d get anything more for him than a 2nd round pick under optimal circumstances (right team, deadline deal on last year of his contract, good season by Kabs, etc.). The book is out on him, and while he gets his points, he’s as soft as they come and a total defensive liability. He’s tradeable, but I wouldn’t call him an asset and I don’t expect he’d get us much in return on a trade. I hope I’m wrong.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree with your take on the Kaberle acquisition… useless and unneccessary.

  30. Old Bald Bird says:

    Nice enough articles by Stubbs and Hickey, but I am all for saving year-in-review articles until after Christmas.

  31. commandant says:

    The NHL Lockout: A Rant From A Former Fan

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/12/22/the-nhl-lockout-a-rant-from-a-former-fan/

    Go Habs Go!
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  32. Mike D says:

    Regarding the Owners/NHL’s proposed salary cap and transition rules:

    So they want to lower the cap to 60mil and have a one year grace period for teams to get under that cap. They do NOT want any compliance buyouts.

    How exactly do they expect to accomplish this? Currently there are sixteen teams over 60mil, and four more teams within 3mil of that – many of whom still have players to sign. That means exactly 2/3of the league is in the ‘danger zone’, and while I understand they all have a year to get under 60mil, it just doesn’t seem feasible that ALL of these teams will be able to accomplish this.

    Am I missing something here? (it is early on a Saturday morning after all)

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Cal says:

      Trades and make whole are supposed to remedy it. All teams should be fined 5 times what they are over the cap (a kind of luxury tax) and use that, too, for make whole.
      If enough teams are over, that kind of thing may just make up the difference.

      • Mike D says:

        I’m not sure that trades would be overly helpful except for maybe a few situations. 2/3 of the league is close/at/over the cap, meaning only 1/3 of the league has breathing room. Many of the teams in that 1/3 are cap-floor teams who either can’t afford to pay more salary or would be unwilling to take more on.

        The ‘market’ isn’t balanced.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • HabFab says:

          Mike, all salaries would be rolled back based on percentage until a 50-50% would be reached. Then the “make whole” or “transitional” money kicks in to raise that money to some higher level level(?). The players will not get their full salary.
          Realize you are a player supporter so you will like this but it explains the owners utter frustration with Fehr.
          – agrees to the 50-50% new HRR split
          – then wants cap set at no lower then $67+ ml. A 4% decrease from projected 2012-2013 but 5% higher then 2011-2012 coupled with the “make whole” would end up giving the players 59% not 50% HRR…so a raise over the 10% they have already got for the TV deals and forget 57%.
          – a couple other of his little shell game moves are; trying to get items like buy outs moved outside the Cap, having exact numbers instead of %’s. These would all circumvent the 50-50% HRR.
          – a brilliant man as he gives you $5 with one hand and takes $7 with the other. Problem is that he isn’t dealing with stupid people.
          – so the FehrButt Nazis continues to say “no hockey for you!”

          • Mike D says:

            OMG – I totally forgot about the salary rollback. I knew it was early when I asked the initial question but I didn’t think I was THAT sleepy, lol.

            Thanks for the clarification, Frank. I’m gonna go have a coffee now, hahaha.

            I hear what you’re saying about Fehr, but both he and Bettman are guilty of such tactics – neither man is ‘innocent’ by any stretch of the imagination. While I am a player supporter, it’s primarily because the owners haven’t offered any concessions to the players relative to the last CBA, despite asking/taking everything they are demanding.

            Supporting either side is not really my interest. What I want most is fairness (which I’m smart enough to realize is basically non-existent in big business settings), and what I despise most is greed. My opinion is that the owners are less fair and more greedy than the players are.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • HabFab says:

            A pox on both their houses :)

            Agree with everything except nothing offered to the players. I’m not sure what could be? Free agent after ETL? Man, as a fan I don’t like 27. And I have always seen this as a take back CBA, fair or not, so I guess was not expecting a fair tit for tat.

          • Mike D says:

            To be honest, I don’t like UFA at 27 either but at least it’s close to what I’d like to see (28 or 29). I’m also against FULLY guaranteed contracts as I think teams should have options if a player starts to crap the bed after signing a big money deal (this is a really tricky issue). I’m actually in favour of term limits on contracts too, but I feel 5 years is WAY too short, and I’m glad something is being done to end back-diving contracts (which both sides have addressed). I prefer a longer CBA too which the owners have proposed so we can avoid further work stoppages.

            I realize much of this seems counter-intuitive for a player-supporter, but it’s just to show that I’m not a blind follower as I believe many people are when taking sides in this matter. I’m also disappointed in both sides that neither has really addressed any issues designed to better the actual game or fix inequalities that exist – such as changing draft rules to deter tanking or punish incompetence, and a salary cap that varies depending on the tax situation of the province/state/country of the team so it’s truly a level paying field as it was designed to be.

            I realize you see this as a take back CBA, but I believe the owners got a BIG victory last time and are now out for even more. All this while expecting players to pay the price for poor GM’ing, teams that lose money because the league put them in cities that were failures, and owners trying to take back contracts they themselves just signed (and clearly in bad faith).

            I have no issue with how much money the players make and I see so many owner-supporters citing this as a reason why they’re pro-owners. Who cares if they make millions? If the revenue pie is big enough, and clearly it is, shouldn’t the players get their share? These are the 700 best people at what they do in a world of 7 billion – that’s the top 0.00001% – pretty rare skill. What would really be fair is less money for players AND owners, and therefore lower ticket and merchandise prices for fans, but since that ain’t gonna happen let the players get their due.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  33. habstrinifan says:

    Gallagher… sure fire HABS for next year!

    Blunden…. I thnk he will be called up (given a chance) and Therrien will like him and keep him. Again, I am repeating myself…Bergevin was lucky (good) in first signing White and still having Blunden resign as free agent.

    Simply my own personal observation. All our ‘prospects’ are performing in the various competitions so far as exactly what they are…. mid level first and later rounds picks. In other words…. hold the unbridled optimism.

    • Mike D says:

      re: Blunden

      Only way he would get called up this year would be as an injury replacement. Even if we keep LL down in Hamilton we still have 13 forwards with the big club.

      I could see MB being more likely to call up both Gally’s for a stint (or more) than Blunden.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  34. 24 Cups says:

    “Martin was undermined by several key players and general Pierre Gauthier” (Pat Hickey)

    Hickey names Cammalleri but there had to be more players than that. I wonder who they are? That will be an interesting problem for the new coach to deal with once the schedule resumes.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Sorry 24 CUPS, I have to completely disagree that Martin ‘was undermined”. I am no admirer of Martin so let me state that upfront. But I saw as confirmation of my low opinion of him his actions re Cammallieri’s meeting with him (privately asking to be captain) his making a fool and laughing stock of Cammallieri in front of all the players at practise and then at a team dinner where he encourgaed people like Lappierre to make Cammalieri a laughing stock. No JM was not undermined by players. He set a tone of divisiveness, disrescpect and selfishness which made it easy to distrust him and become disjointed and fall inti disarray under the ups and downs of a season. The details of that fiasco are all out in public for all to see… totally unprofessional coaching.

      • mdp2011 says:

        where did you read that? do have a link?

        • 24 Cups says:

          It’s the article in today’s thread (above).

          I just listed the quote – I have no real opinion on the matter. I seriously doubt anyone on this site (or any other Hab site or paper, French or English) really knows what truly went down last year. The closest people to the truth would be Dave Stubbs and Pat Hickey and they are not going to engage in any betrayal of trust.

        • habstrinifan says:

          The entire story was made public here on HIO. There we details about the meeting between Camallieri and JM; about the betraying of a ‘private meeting’ confidence by JM in front all players in a practice; about the dinner where Lappiere in particular made Cammalieri a laughing stock and JM joined in. It was all here on HIO along with all the other ‘keystone cops’ bumbling under JM’s tenureship. JM’s sorry legacy with the HABS was not only due to player mediocrity, he earned it through his own incompetence.

        • takuto97 says:

          Taken from a post by NewHabsEra on
          http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/archive/index.php/t-1079307.html:

          Talking about letter on his jersey, Big Gorges had an anecdote on him that happened 2 years ago, apparently after a game JM was mad about his guys and yelled after them, apparently he told Cammalleri to stop complaining about the fact he had no letter on his jersey and start acting like a pro, then the guys in the room started to look at each other and found it weird.. Then come Christmas time, there was a gifts exchange between players, Lapierre is the one who picked Cammalleri, you know the guy, he found a way to make a joke out of this and put a letter in the box, apparently a “C”, so when Cammy oppened the box, the guy was apparently offended and left without saying anything while all the other guys were laughing out loud.. LoL .. A girl no doubt..

  35. habstrinifan says:

    ” Bergevin’s only misstep to date has been the failure to sign Subban. With the team salary cap certain to be reduced and the uncertainty over a new collective bargaining agreement, there might be some problems finding the money to pay the defenceman.”

    I wouldnt agree that it is a misstep (now) because after all it is straight and simple a contract(money) issue and so it isnt a missttep and wont be until and if (future) the team is proven wrong in its ‘unenthusiastic’ estimation of P.K.’S worth… and if they moved him base on that appraisal.

    But anyone care to comment on the part of there being problems finding the money to sign him for anything near what he seems to be asking. I think we all agree that there will be no ‘hometown discount’ coming from P.K.’s side.

    Or of course we can comment on the lockout or the fantasy game.

    • Mike D says:

      Does anyone even have reliable info on what P.K. is asking? I’ve heard numbers getting thrown around on here, but nothing from any NHL sources.

      I also can’t say whether or not he would take a hometown discount.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • habstrinifan says:

        I am basing that part of my comment (no hometown discount) on P.K.s own words. There was a post here maybe two weeks ago and inside that post and overlooked by many posters here since there were no remarks on it were P.K’s words on his contract negotiations.

        It was the most bare-boned ungarnished comment he has made re the contract talk where he basically said that habs offers essentially reflected that the HABS disagreed on what he thinks he has contributed and can contribute to the team. Again a close reading between the lines of his actual words would have reavealed more than a minor /disagreement.

        P.K made two comments which no one else here even blinked at but which to me were worth a second reading because they were out of keeping with his hitherto carefree and zealous attitude to the game and the organization.

        The above paraphrase was one. And the other was where he said, and I paraphrase again, that there was “NO LOYALTY” in sports except the loyalty of fans.

        • Mike D says:

          Trin, do you have a link for that first comment you cited? It’s not that I don’t believe you, just want to read it myself. It’s interesting to say the least.

          I did hear his ‘No loyalty’ comment but I think he was speaking in general terms on the business of sports and more specifically to the lockout. He may apply that philosophy to his own contract negotiations, but that comment itself doesn’t necessarily mean he will.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • habstrinifan says:

            I cant recall who interviewd him (think it was Stubbs) but it wa sposted here. I didnt want to be a b.s disturber so I didnt post my thoughts on it but I silently wondered at the ‘lack of response’ from the commentariat. And the comment re the ‘loyalty’. Sure it was in the context of the lockout but it WAS NOT a direct answer to a direct question re ‘loyalty’ and if you do not see a departure in the tone and characterization from the ‘regular’ P.K then… again I will have to just advise that these are my ‘considered’ evaluation when I read between the lines.

          • Mike D says:

            Thanks Trin. CHeers

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  36. Cal says:

    With another Saturday night approaching with no NHL hockey, the silence is deafening. Well, at least we have the juniors and the farce that is the Spengler Cup to distract us.
    http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

  37. jols101 says:

    Barkov is unbelievable

    Seth Jones is a beast and so is Trouba. Twin towers on the USA back end. Jones has the capability of taking over an entire game.

    Our boy Gally had an off game. Many 6 or 7 minute gaps between shifts due to stupid penalties by the Americans. Gally isn’t used to that, in Sarnia he plays in all situations.

    Finland 5 – USA 1

  38. Riga Fraction says:

    Long shot, but stay with me on the hypothetical. If they base the next draft off of last year’s standings due to lack of a season this year (and to add to that, they get locked out again next year and base the following year’s draft off of the same standings). The Habs could theoretically walk away from a terrible season last year by getting Gally and having a pair of strong lottery chances at both McKinnon and MacDavid. If the planets were to align and come up with a result like that, 2012 could go down as the best thing to happen to this franchise in 30 years. (Time will tell of course, simply put 2012 sucked at the time, but may have been a blessing in disguise much the way that slump during the early 2000s paid off for the Pens when it landed them Crosby, and Malkin)

    • 24 Cups says:

      Just a point of clarification. If there is no hockey this year, the Habs chances of grabbing McKinnon are 2%. If there is a 48 game schedule, then the odds of getting a quality pick increase as the team’s performance decreases.

      Not exactly a glass half full scenario but that’s how it is for a team that is a cellar dweller.

      • Riga Fraction says:

        You can’t possibly know what the Habs chances at top pick if there is no season are. it hasn’t been announced as of yet. You are basing your guess upon what they did last time, but that doesn’t mean that’s what they would do again this time. These things change everytime they try something, be it an expansion draft or what have you.

    • commandant says:

      Seeing as they have a precedent for a lottery after a missed season already in place, its highly doubtful they’d do anything this drastic.

      Go Habs Go!
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      http://lastwordonsports.com/

      • 24 Cups says:

        One ball out of 51 equals 2%. Forgetting the notion of watching hockey, the team’s draft chances would probably increase by playing a shortened season. Of course that would depend on how the team would do against eastern rivals. One prolonged losing streak of 7-8 games might just put a team out of the playoffs.

      • Riga Fraction says:

        As said above and many times in the past, they’ve changed how they approach expansion drafts every time they’ve held one, they had complaints about the way they ran the previous lockout draft, the odds that they use the same format they used 7 yrs ago are likely slim and none. No one knows what format they will use, which is what I based everything above upon, so claiming otherwise is futile at the moment.

  39. Habilis says:

    PA vote was 706-22. So how did Roman Hamrlik manage to vote 22 times?

    This vote wasn’t even necessary, just a show of force by the PA. Great, you’re united, we get it. The owners do the same farce with their BOG meetings, voting to support Bettman for whatever it happens to be.

    How about instead of showing how tough you guys are, you sit down in a room and work out the remaining divide? A couple of first graders could split the difference at this point. What an embarassment.

  40. otter649 says:

    Dogs played like The Habs last season – Good Goaltending & a lack of goal scoring…….

  41. Haborama says:

    how did Tinordi play??

  42. Boomer says:

    good defensive play by bournival

  43. HabsFanMTL says:

    ty Bettman for another Locked out Season and ty Donald Fehr for not suggesting your players put that last NHL offer to a vote. Your there to get the best deal possible for them but the only deal they are going to get is NO Season and NO paychecks. Atta boy Fehr. Don’t let your pride get in the way by losing to bettman, just let the season die while u get paid your millions

  44. Boomer says:

    I’m just waiting for PK to turn to Kypreos and bitch slap him

  45. HabsFanMTL says:

    so who is taking randy teemans place on tsn990 ?

    • ed lopaz says:

      why do you care about that so much?

      • HabsFanMTL says:

        because for the last few years that slot has sucked big time…..starting with P.J stock and then RT…….i say put simon tzalikis there or campbell or someone who knows something about sports

        • cprince says:

          Ya… maybe they could have that English guy and that intelligent sounding Italian guy talk about grown men running around in silk shorts for 4 hours every afternoon.

          RT’s perspectives on all things sports in MTL is awesome… from The Expos to the Habs… to tennis in MTL… I love listening to him and will miss him.

          • HabsFanMTL says:

            yeah well to each his own…….oh and btw that italian guy marinaro won’t get 2 slots so no it won’t be him and it sure as hell won’t be that UK guy……..yeah randy is good …late night at 11 pm on tv. Other than that……all he was good for was agreeing with anything his co host had to say. any time a call came in from a listener and they gave thier opinion…..randy waits for tony’s opinion then randy agrees or repeats what tony just said…..just glad thats over with ……..

  46. frontenac1 says:

    Gallagher!!! 2-1 St Johns. Let’s go Boys! Time for Mike”Sweet Hands”Blunden to work his magic.

    • jols101 says:

      Fortier and Chaput look to be great finds for the Bulldogs. I keep hoping LL will start doing more offensively.

      • ed lopaz says:

        its Fortier’s 3rd season in Hamilton, he has been a disappointment.

        Chaput is not an NHL’er. But he might make himself some dough in the AHL.

        Leblanc is not playing well. Very poorly in fact. I think he is not nearly as good a winger as he was a center as a teenager. But they keep playing him on the wing and he keeps playing like a 3rd line, average player.

        • ooder says:

          isn’t Leblanc injured ? or if he is playing again he is coming back from a high ankle sprain which takes a while to recover from

          ——————
          The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

      • Boomer says:

        Chaput is having a good game. I like the intensity.

  47. frontenac1 says:

    So the Vote is in. The count is 97% of players vote in Favour of giving union the option to De-certify. Boy the union is really falling apart eh?

  48. Price07 says:

    I don’t see this past year as a very bad thing…we got ourselves and excellent player in the draft. This is how you build a team (with high draft picks).

  49. jols101 says:

    Go Dawgs Go !!!

    • Ron says:

      Pretty good 1st period. I see where Denis and Commodore are sick. That might be why Wild was signed. I still think its in case of NHL season may start and Commodore may be lost to an NHL club. The Habs may make surprise call up of one of the young D-man since it will be a short season.

      • jols101 says:

        Ya they have really grown as a team and played well that 1st period. Having 2 veteran D out of the lineup isn’t a good thing but the young guns are stepping it up.

  50. ed lopaz says:

    I read the boards here because there are a few posters who know more hockey then I do, and I learn.

    I’m so sick of Fehr and Bettman I hope they both fail. And de-certification followed by the cancellation of the season seems to be a total failure for both these clowns.

    Im cheering for Bettman and Fehr to fail and both lose their jobs – because that’s what they both deserve.


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