The post-Boyd era begins

Shout-out to Jonathan Duhamel, World Champion of poker.

Quebecer is 23 years old and $9 million richer.


Louie, Louie

• Pat Hickey on Alain Vigneault

Booting Boyd gives Canadiens room to manoeuvre: Marc Antoine Godin

• Richard Labbé on how the Halak trade went down

• Our friend Marc de Foy goes into the Hall of Fame

Pierre LeBrun at HoF shindig

The Sedin twins are in town …



  1. ctony says:

    There isn’t much to go on, because GM don’t trade young
    starting goalies unless they’re Mike Milbury. 
    Luongo comes to mind.  He had two
    young goalies – Luongo and DiPietro – and felt compelled to give one away. 


    At that point, Luongo had played 24 regular season games,
    none in the playoffs; went 7-14 and had a 3.25 GAA.  Nothing to write home about. Milbury packaged
    him with Jokinen.  The number 3 pick two
    years earlier who had underachieved during one season with NYI and one with the
    LA Kings.   Milbury got back relative garbage.  Oleg Kvasha, nothing special in two years
    with Florida and Mark Parrish, then an emerging power forward in his first two
    NHL seasons.  So, even getting fleeced,
    Milbury picked up two young NHL players for a top pick with no track record.  


    By this standard, PG didn’t fare well.  But wait, it gets worse.


    Six years later, Luongo was traded again.  This time he was an established starter playing
    with a bad Florida team – coached by JACQUES MARTIN.  Florida got Bertuzzi a stellar power forward (at
    the time), Bryan Allen (the fourth overall pick with one NHL season) and (holy
    crap) ALEX AULD.  Vancouver gave up great
    value and still won this trade.   As a side note, maybe Jacques orchestrated this


    I would argue that Halak’s playoffs made him more marketable
    than Luongo who had never played in the playoff. 


    PG got back Eller with 7 games of NHL experience and


    I think this discussion about FAIR VALUE FOR GOALIES is
    OVER!!!!  We got KILLED on a historical
    level. PG should have been fired for this alone.  And, before I get blasted for the
    aforementioned.  This is not a knock on
    Carey Price.  It is meant to point that
    we didn’t get back enough for a young starting goalie with a solid track

  2. joeybarrie says:

    Were you EVEN aware that our TOP SCORER AK hasnt scored in 6 games????????

    What was the excuse for the other 5 games he played with Pleks??????????????



    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  3. Mattyleg says:

    Wow, the Sedin Sisters truly are creepy. See how their knees were touching as they sat next to each other?


    I hear there’s a player on the Canadiens called Scott Gomez. He seems like a good young prospect. Let’s get behind him and hope he gets his game together!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  4. SmartDog says:

    So Moore, Dags, Lats, all have as many or more goals THIS YEAR than Gomez in over his last half-year worth of games.  Money well spent Bob, money well spent!!

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  5. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny AGAIN…..  ALL GOMEZ’ FAULT. 


    Cammalleri 0 goals and only 2 assists in the last 6 games. (why isn’t Gomez giving his the puck???)

    AK ZERO points in the last 5 games. (Why is Gomez telling AK not to score)

    GIONTA’s league bottom 3% shooting percentage. (stupid Gomez messing with Gio’s sticks)

    Not having a proper linemate on the 2nd line. (stupid Gomez and his constant juggling)

    Pleks 47% in faceoffs. (stupid Gomez, distracting Pleks during faceoffs)

    Powerplay is really lacking goals. (stupid Gomez telling the guys to WAIT till he gets on the ice to score)

    PK Subban lack of goals, despite his 39 shots from his spot. (stupid Gomez telling him if he shoots wide he has a better chance of scoring)


    What really gets me frustrated are people who blame the entire world on Gomez. The last few games he has been playing well. But they are not producing. Its not just Gomez. FOR GOD SAKE HAS IT ESCAPED YOU THAT OUR TOP TWO LINES HAVE A COMBINED THREE GOALS IN THE LAST FIVE GAMES????

    Where is your excuse for AK????????????

    Where is your excuse for CAMMALLERI?????????????????

    Where is your excuse for GIONTA???????????????




    Honestly people are being so fricken stupid when it comes to this team. CLUELESS….. BLAME GOMEZ, he isnt producing. IT casts such a huge shadow that 35 million dollars of other players have contributed for ZERO goals in 5 games……………….

    These are players who together contributed to 1.5 goals per game last season…… We are missing 7 goals from them in the last 5 games, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE FAULT OF SCOTT F GOMEZ< CAUSE THE ALASKAN SUN HAS SET FOR THE WINTER AND IT TAKES DOWN OUR TOP TWO LINES AND TOP 2 DEFENSIVE PAIRING WITH IT………………….



    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  6. NightRyder says:

    I’m on board now. Henrik Sedin doesn’t score that many goals either.

    I should compare Gomez to him really, the playmaking centre type, right?

    Sedin: $6.1 million cap hit. 112 points last year.

    Not quite TWICE as many points as Gomez and his $7.4M cap hit.

    This year, he’s only got two goals and only FIVE times as many points as Gomez.

    So, Gomez is still pretty good value, no?

  7. habsguy says:

    why worry about something you have no control over….if you can give a logical way of getting rid of Gomez and his contract,  then I’ll start to worry !!!…Until then,  I’ll just keep cheering for the Habs!!

  8. samTHEman says:

    Hypothetically speaking, let’s say the Flames were interested in trading Iginla to us and PG agreed to negociate.

    How exactly are we supposed to take on his cap hit? Iginla’s cap hit is 7M till 2012-2013.

    To get him, a combination of Hamrlik, Spacek, or Gomez would have to go the other way along with draft picks and a prospect. Besides, I don’t think the Canadiens can take on Iginla’s contract as they haven’t yet resigned Markov and Gorges. Gorges is looking around 3.5mil which is a signifcant raise from his current 1.1M salary.

    And do you really think the flames will take back Hamrlik let alone Spacek? I wouldn’t eliminate Gomez because Sutter is a moron.

    There’s no way Iginla is traded to MTL. And I highly doubt he is traded at all. He isn’t the problem.

  9. nunacanadien says:

    Notice all of the above trades are not exactly shining trades for star players either, and leaning largely on the shrimp side of thiings, what is with Montreal and needing small hockey players?

  10. SmartDog says:

    He was being sarcastic.  The point is even supposed plunkers (hello D’agastoni!) are doing more in a game than Gomez in over a month of Sundays.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  11. 24 Cups says:

    NHL getting ready to cash in on a new TV deal?

  12. nunacanadien says:

    Damned rights to that!  Time to shop Gomez around and maybe Gionta too if you can unload them both….

  13. HFX-HabFan says:

    14 sounds better than 47.  Good for you for coming around!

  14. HFX-HabFan says:

    Since the ‘Nucks are coming into town tonight, I continue along with bringing you the “debut roster” series.  Below is a list of players that made their NHL debut wearing a Canucks uniform:

    D Sedin-H Sedin-Burrows











    Total cost: $49.75mil, or $9.65mil under the cap.  A lot of the same cast of characters up front, but some useful veterans on the back end, and their backup is big and bald.  While the current version of the Canucks is deemed by some to be a Cup contender, the version listed here likely wouldn’t be.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is where we place in a 30 team league this week folks.

    Goals Against—–33. We are in 10th place.   Last week we were in   6th place.

    Total Points——-17. We are in 7th place.     Last week we were in   3rd place.

    Goals For———-34. We are in 19th place.   Last week we were in 15th place

    We are far ahead of last years pace at this time. Once we get our PP clicking, win a few more faceoffs, goal production will improve. Just a matter of time for it all to come together.

    It has been a little frustrating watching the last 3 or 4 games for sure, but they will tweak a few things and be very competitive in the new year. We are sitting nicely right now, with better teams to face yet though.

    Read Ian Cobb’s HI/O Blog for the summit results.

  16. Mark C says:

    Moore was replaced by Halpern on a one year deal for about half the price. Halpern is doing everything Moore did, while only being signed for one year, which allows players like White extra AHL time, and will open up a spot on next year’s club, unlike signing Moore would have.

    Moore returned more than enough value for a 2nd round pick, who cares that they let him walk? He was successfully replaced in the off-season at a lower cost. I would not have minded Moore being kept, but let’s not make a mole hill out of Moore not being signed when he was replaced.  

    The Tanguay trade didn’t work out, some of that has to do with expectations and injuries. However, I don’t think you can blame PG/BG for letting him walk, because he couldn’t be re-signed. If you want to say that trade didn’t work out fine, but letting Tanguay walk was not a mistake (he had 10 goals and 37 points the following year).



  17. Hagar says:

    Pardoned. We all make mistakes.

  18. NightRyder says:

    No problem!

  19. LA Loyalist says:

    Why do people keep posting “when Nomez was producing in the playoffs last spring” in a nostalgic way?

    He scored 2 goals and was minus 6 and took dumb penalties – yeah it looks good to how he’s playing now.

    if we’d had a real #1  center and Markov hadn’t been hurt we could have beaten Philly.

    We have a huge structural and financial problem because of that dopey trade: Le Trade 2.

    Maybe you’re ok waiting “in a few years looking back”. If we had a bunch of good kids and draft picks I might be ok, too. But we’ll waste the talent we have because we don’t have a big center who knows where the freaking net is and doesn’t load his diaper and dump the puck every time he crosses the oppo blue line.

    Watch him against Vancouver tonight with special attention and see what you think.





  20. Hagar says:

    Are you aware that when judging a forward’s production, the stat used most often is points? I’m not making this up. Check any site that ranks NHL players in a scoring race.

  21. linp says:

    I think the organization needs to reflect on the way they handle young players. Why Grabowski and SK became a cancer in Montreal but not else where, not even in Hamilton? Did they know how to develop Boyd, Eller, O’Byrne or Max Pac? JM tolerates experienced players way off-limit and punishes young players very quickly. Did he care to explain his decision to the players. The players are human beings. No coach would place a young player one game in the 1st line and on the bench the following game. It certainly didn’t help the development of Eller. Good for Max Pac to spell it out.

  22. NightRyder says:

    You’re not worried about three goals in 47 games? You’re not worried about a 17-game goalless streak in the playoffs? You’re not worried that his gargantuan albatross of a salary meant we couldn’t afford to keep Halak and Price for at least one more season? You’re not worried that he is pushing 31 years old and isn’t likely to suddenly blossom into a 95-point guy?

    Well, good for you Alfred E. Neuman.

    It’s time for everyone else to start beating the drum with us: Gomez must go.

  23. NightRyder says:

    Well, pardon me then. I guess three POINTS in 14 games is good?


  24. Hobie Hansen says:

    What position does Gomez play?

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    If we can pull down Sutter’s pants like everyone else has? What the hell why not, Cup Contender status with Iginla.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  26. joeybarrie says:

    Great post. I don’t think anyone out there really realizes how poor Gomez’ production is. Most people around here are pretty unaware of Gomez. Haven’t really heard much about him, so thanks for the great update.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  27. Hobie Hansen says:

    Superstars? Torres is a 3rd liner no?

  28. fbkj says:


  29. ctony says:

    Moore was a positive influence on Laps and brought hard work and energy ever shift.  Moore was sufficiently “huge” then we should have found $1.1m to keep him.  

    PG’s lack of consistency is frustrating.  Trade for Moore – let him walk.  Trade for Tanguay – let him walk.  Draft players with high picks – don’t create an organization to develop them.  Have small quick forwards on the top lines signed for multiple years and retain a coach that doesn’t play to their strengths.

  30. NightRyder says:

    Iggy for Gomez. Anyone have pics of Sutter and farm animals?

  31. LA Loyalist says:

    I don’t miss that little snot Grabowski, this team is too small anyway. Palushaj actually may turn into something.

    But otherwise I think you are pretty much on and you’ve just depressed the hell out of me again to start the day.

    So, to ref my post above, is Calgary dumb enough to trade us Iginla for Gomez and “insert name here”?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  32. NightRyder says:

    Scott Gomez goals in his last 47 games: three.

    Fourteen players have scored that many in ONE GAME this year alone, including superstars like Derek Stepan, Brad Richardson, Jay McClement and Raffi Torres.


  33. ctony says:



    I agree with your points about Grabovski and SK being
    distractions. But we have to get NHL value for NHL assets.  All these players are in the NHL and
    contributing, some at a very high level. 
    We didn’t get back current NHL players for them.  And, it’s not like we gave up older players
    were we can say, “let’s evaluate these trades years down the road”.
    Halak is 25.  Grabs is young.  SK is young. 


    PG took two of our most valuable playoff performers (Halak
    and Moore) and received Eller, Schultz and NOTHING.  PG didn’t think enough of Moore to pay him
    $1.1m per year for two years.  PG could
    have found the money if he hadn’t signed Boyd ($600k) – who he waived in less
    than a dozen games. 


    The real problem is a lack of identity or vision for how
    this team is supposed to play.  We have
    small quick forwards and coach that doesn’t employ an aggressive forecheck.  We have older/slow defensemen (Markov and
    Subban excepted) that don’t/can’t get involved in the offense.


    That makes it difficult to know what components we need to be
    effective consistently. 



  34. SmartDog says:

    And if my car had wings, it’d be an airplane.

    This blame-everyone-but-not-Gomez thing for Gomez’s SUCKY year to date KILLS me.  For the one game Gio was moved off the Gomez line, Gio scored and Gomez (with our top scorer Kostitsyn) did nothing.  Stop the freakin’ insanity.  Like or hate Gomez his work this year STINKS.  With 3 points he knows it, you might as well know it too.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  35. Say Ash says:

    I was there. Painful stuff.

  36. Say Ash says:

    I consider Andrei playing well as part of the Sergei trade.

  37. LA Loyalist says:

    What would you do?

    Iginla is in a slump. (you’d be in a slump too if you played in Calgary)

    1. Would you take a chance?

    2. Who would you trade (preferably getting rid of one or more of our problem children in the process).



    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  38. Exit716 says:

    I enjoyed that article on the Halak trade. It was nice to see Pierre allowed Doug Armstrong to dictate the terms of the deal. Armstrong had to have an answer before July 1? So Gauthier accomodated and didn’t bother trying anywhere else? Awesome.Eller must have been a huge prize if the Blues who can’t score had no problem dumping him and some other fourth line scrub. Again this is where Timmins fails horribly. He can’t find anything beyond American college players that are small and soft. The sooner he’s given the bum’s rush, the better. Maybe that Islanders guy can draft better than Timmins.


  39. Mark C says:

    What free agents have signed to fill those holes?

  40. LA Loyalist says:

    I was going to write a joke but I can’t even do that this is so sad.

  41. Exit716 says:

    I disagree about your assessment of Tom Pyatt. He’s nothing special. Guys like him are a dime a dozen, but the inept scouting director Timmins can never find those useless hump, therefore the Habs have to waste money on signing free agents to fill those holes.

  42. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Who else is gonna be at the game tonight? Should be a great one, I’m pumped! 

  43. Mark C says:

    Montreal also got a 2nd round pick in the Garbo trade. BTW this was a BG trade, right?

    The Moore trade was a huge win for Montreal, for the life of me, I can’t understand why letting him walk means the trade was bad.  

    Dags is an every day NHLer, but Gomez isn’t, soild work here.

  44. Say Ash says:

    In the past few games, Andrei has whiffed a couple of open nets, too.

  45. Clay4bc says:

    Since you chose not to notice, I actually won that bet below…so time to stop defending it.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  46. HabsoluteFan says:

    Grabovski was a head case in Montreal.  We traded Sergei  because he was also a problem, yes we didnt sign Ellis and waived Boyd but we seemed to have regained Andrei.  D’agostini had 4 points in the season before he was traded and I think we might have jumped the gun on him.  Moore was a UFA, what team would’ve wanted to trade for him when they could just wait and sign him ?  Halak was traded for Eller, Schultz, Plekanec and Price.  Happy he’s having a great start in St.Louis but our problem here has nothing to do with goaltending.  For the last trade, I don’t miss Higgins…and when Gomez is producing (playoffs last spring) nobody’s complaining about that trade.

    After all of that, the only useful everyday players we have are Andrei, Plekanec, Price, Pyatt, Gomez (eventually) and we might be surprise with Eller, Schultz and Palushaj (great start in the AHL) in a few years.

    It’s easy to look back and judge when you already know what happens.  But when you’re on the spot trying to make the best decisions for the team while media, fans and analysts wait for your every move…I’d like to see you do it.

    Finally, I’m not bashing your post…You might end up being right, but in a few years looking back..these traded might not seem so bad afterall

  47. TomNickle says:

    I believe Palushaj has twelve points in 6 games with the Dogs too.

  48. Psycho29 says:

    Isn’t there a “Jean Coutu” right next to the “La Belle Province” in Camden????


  49. 24 Cups says:

    Faceoff’s Canuck home page with lots of team info and updates.

    Vancouver’s official NHL website.

    The Vancouver Sun’s hockey page.

    The Province’s hockey page.

    Nucks Misconducts (not updated for tonight’s game as of 9AM)

    Vancouver breaks the bank in an attempt to win it all.

    Vancouver manoeuvred to draft Tinordi this summer.

  50. gauver says:

    I agree that Cammalleri is frustrated but I don’t make much of the pre-season slash on Neidereiter; I think it was simply a response to a hit to the head with no call made and nothing more.

  51. JustSomeguy says:

    Markov has some rust that needs shaking off; 5 or 10 minutes a game won’t do it.

    So … Hamilton … or 20 minute nights with the Habs.

    He’ll be back. He is, IME, an awfully determined gentleman who does not cut himself any slack. FWIW, he also doesn’t go into a funk when he does have off nights. He’s an interesting guy; he’s quiet, but INTENSELY competitive.

    FWIW, I think you meant to say, “Thank God Price has been solid. If not. we’d be sinking like the Leafs.”

  52. TomNickle says:

    Grabovski was bitching and moaning on an every day basis – got rid of a cancer.

    D’Agostini was irresponsible without the puck and wasn’t scoring for us – got a good return for him.

    Kostitsyn was more than cancer, he was the plague – the team came together with him in the pressbox.

    That 2nd rounder for Moore was Gauthier’s best trade – Moore was one of our most valuable players, scored the GWG in game 7 against the Capitals which created serious playoff revenue with the Pens and Flyers series’.  He did it knowing he was getting a higher second round pick in the compensation for David Fischer going un-signed.

    Halak trade can’t be fairly evaluated for a while considering the ages of Eller and Schultz.

    McDonagh is going to have to battle just to make the NHL, Valentenko won’t and Higgins was an injury prone and inconsistent player who has been bounced around more than Paris Hilton while Gomez and Pyatt are both productive players for our team.  You can debate the productivity level of Gomez all you want, but he’s been a borderline elite NHL player from his rookie year through today.

  53. punkster says:

    You’re kidding right? Bound to be same old, same old.

  54. kirkiswork says:

    Gomez’ productivity is really a reflection of Gio’s productivity. If Gio wasn’t in a slump Gomer would have many more points.

    Still not too worried about it, better now than later.

  55. gauver says:

    I’ll give it a go.  Please bear in mind, I am not looking for an argument but a civil discussion.

    On the assumption we rid ourselves of Gomez and his contract and that it was not done by virtue of a trade beneficial to us, what would you do as GM?  Who would you move up from Hamilton or within the current Habs lineup or who would you target for trade or offer sheet?  What do you think we would have to give up (if anything) to get the targeted player? 

  56. punkster says:

    Oops, what we want from Gomez is to create the opportunities for his line mates to put the puck in the net. Gomez is not and never has been a scorer. But you already know that. So given the fact that his line mates have not I would suggest they shoulder equal responsibility.

  57. HabsoluteFan says:

    Not trying to defend JM but what if his decisions ended up fixing the Gomer line.  We would have 2 solid scoring lines.  I think he has no choice to try to fix the 2nd line even if it costs us a few wins.  In the long run, this team absolutely needs a boost from the offense and I think JM has to get that line going if the Habs want to have a good season.  He might not have the miracle solution right now but he’s trying some things (finally splitting up G&G might be his best move so far).

    I’d like to see Gionta-Plekanc-Cammalleri / Kostitsyn-Gomez-Pouliot but probably won’t happen since it’s too logical and JM doesnt want to break up his P.H.D line

  58. JF says:

    Good post, Steve.  I didn’t watch the whole game because I got too fed up, but I’ve thought for a while that, despite all the Gomez bashing, Cammalleri has actually been the worst of our three expensive acquisitions from last year.  He’s very frustrated and he’s allowing it to affect his game, rushing his plays, making poor decisions, taking bad penalties.  I find myself wondering whether this frustration stems from not being chosen captain, since we saw signs of it in the pre-season with the slash on Niederreiter.

    JM should go back to the old defence pairings and give limited minutes to Markov until he gets back into game shape, which could be a couple more weeks.  Subban and Picard worked well, and I’d like to see Picard used more regularly, with Hamrlik and Spacek being rested.  I’d also like to see him tried on the point on the powerplay, since he shoots left and the other options we’ve tried have produced nothing.  Cammalleri at the point seems a mistake; he has trouble holding the zone and he’s more dangerous down low.

    As for this week, I fear it will confirm what many of us suspect, that, despite our great start, the Habs are again a bubble team who will scramble for one of the last two playoff spots and just as likely miss out as make it.

  59. VintageFan says:

    Partial Summary;

    • Got rid of Grabowski in return for Greg Pateryn.  Grabo is an every day NHLer
    • Got rid of d’Agonstini in return for Aaron Palushaj.  Dags is an every day NHLer
    • Got rid of Kostitsyn in return for Ellis & Boyd rights.  Ellis is in Tampa, Boyd is on Waivers
    • Traded a 2nd round pick for Moore.  Let Moore walk for nothing
    • Traded Halak for Eller and Schultz.  Halak is the starting goalie for the best team in the league
    • Traded McDonagh, Higgins, & Valentenko for Gomez & Pyatt

    After all of the above, the only useful, everyday player we have is Tommy Pyatt – a 3rd or 4th line player and very good on the PK.  Pierre Gauthier is from the school of Sather and Milbury. 

  60. Hobie Hansen says:

    I was listening to “The Team 1200” here in Ottawa on my drive to work and they were talking about the WSOP Champion, being from Montreal and everything. What a massive achievement that is. 1st place out of 7300 people, with his buddies wearing their Habs jerseys cheering him on in the background. That’s pretty cool!

    I’ve worked in casinos, played poker for years and been to Vegas a bunch of times and I can tell you that city is electric when the WSOP is taking place. If Montreal wasn’t on the poker map already, it certainly is now.


    A few other quick points:


    I can’t wait for Tinordi to be NHL ready, hoping for 2012/13 season. It’s been a while since we’ve had an Odelein or Quintal, super tough and steady defenseman.


    I hope all us HIO people are in better spirits today, yesterday there was a lot of arguing over guys like Gomez, Martin, MAB and others. Myself included.


    Habs will show up big tonight and hopefully some of the players in question as of late really make an impact. Bottom line is that it will be a hard fought game regardless.


    GO HABS GO   




  61. TB says:

    Should be a good game tonite Price will wanna show the ‘nucks up after that terrible game in Vancouver last year

  62. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because it literally didn’t do us any damn good to keep both of them. What good is it having two goaltenders eating up say, 6.5 million on the cap (That’s going by current cap hits optimistically) when either of these goalies so far has proven they can give the team the netminding that can win on any given night.

    The team is facing the cap, they needed to address issues of depth among their skaters and choose who their goalie is, end the drama, end the distraction, choose the No. 1 goalie that the defence will learn to work with and how to best defend that netminder.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  63. TomNickle says:

    There are so many variables that you can’t just say we all know the argument.

    Plekanec, Hamrlik or Spacek would have had to have been let go to keep Halak and Price.

    And as long as Price was under contract, Halak wasn’t signing long term.  But believing that he would have is pretty naive considering his discomfort in sharing the net with Price.

    So you can bet that Halak was going to arbitration as long as Price was a member of the Habs organization.

    With that in mind.  It would be completely speculative to throw out arbitration award scenarios for Halak.

    If you have some control, why leave it to chance?  Plekanec is more valuable to this team than the concept of two strong goaltenders.  I wouldn’t have shed any tears if Hamrlik was sent packing to make room, but I wouldn’t have been pleased to see Plekanec go in favour of that tandem.

    Now, I’ll assume this is where you reply with the “it’s all Gomez’s fault” argument.  And then I would reply with, do you really expect him to continue this drought all season?  And then you reply that he can’t justify the contract, then I agree, but we’re a worse team without Gomez than we are with him.

  64. MikeMcLaren says:

    In Richard Labbe’s article he (courtesy of google translate) says:

    Since it comes from New Jersey, memo to John MacLean: it would be a good idea to go to Jean Coutu to pick up empty boxes.  You never know when it might serve.

    Uhhhhh, he’s in New Jersey. Richard.  I know you might be trying to “keep it local” with your references for your readers, but I assure you: there are no Jean Coutu’s in the entire state.

    Dunno, that just struck me as odd. 


  65. SmartDog says:

    Which would take us back to why we didn’t have the cap room to sign what would have been the strongest goal-tending tandem in the league at a modest cost.  Let’s not go there.

    You can say he had to trade him, yadda yadda… we all know the argument.  But there are always options; if you look up ice and dont’ see an opening you circle back or make a lateral play.   GM’s live by their trades.  I didn’t attack the Halak trade, I asked to see his whole list of trades to date as his work to date.  If we lose more than we’ve won, our pot is bound to be growing smaller not bigger, that’s the bottom line.  

    People also defend Gomez.  He’s trying so hard… it’s not him it’s his line-mates… he’s a super-duper guy…  Who gives a dogs breakfast?  What we want from Gomez is the puck in the net.  What we want from Gauthier is to win trades.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  66. idle says:

    Not much to disagree with there…

  67. PrimeTime says:

    So fellow posters, what will be debated today ad nauseum?? My guess is the same ol’ posters will repeat their same ol’ arguements and still end up in the same place! God, I hope something happens to change the trend here. Will check back around noon….

  68. TomNickle says:

    It depends on how you view the trade.

    If you’re judging it based on Eller and Schultz you’re being short sighted considering we’re less than twenty games into the season.

    If you’re judging it based on Price and Halak’s respective production levels it’s also short sighted for the same reason.


  69. SmartDog says:

    Good post.

    The only guy PK has looked good with is Picard; together they were dynamite (and a collective +13).  Why the F JM split them up is beyond me but dimes will get you dollars he puts them back together after all this wasted time.

    And Markov has not been good but is sitll getting 20+ minutes a game. Seems like JM is listening to the hype (“Markov is our best player”) instead of watching the game.

    i’m not sure I agree about Cami.  I do agree something seems a little off, but he has 8 points and his +/- is the best on the team.  He misses AK I think… wasn’t it just before JM split the line up that Pleks was saying how AK helps create space for Cammalleri?   JM the genius strikes again. Seriously, I’m losing faith in that guy.  The team started great, lots of fire, strong team play, good lines overall, but trying to fix the Gomer line and integrate Markov he seems to have undone everything that was good.

    Thank God Price has been solid. If not. we’d be sinking like a leaf.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  70. SeriousFan09 says:

    Same offer I made Clay SD, I’ll stop defending the Halak deal when someone around here rounds up a goaltending trade made in the last 10 years (or even further back) that really swapped fair value.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  71. TomNickle says:

    Completely agree Steve. 

    Markov doesn’t have his game speed back yet and that makes his mistakes more costly because he can’t recover from them and negate the consequences.

    Cammalleri had an opportunity late in the game to beat out an icing with us down a goal and circled away from the play, half heartedly I might add.  I was completely disgusted at the time and the bitterness hasn’t really subsided yet.

    Hamrlik, with less than 90 seconds to go coasted back to touch up an icing in a game where seconds are critical.  Ditto for him.

    The day that Jacques Martin was hired everybody on this team should have known that a superior effort was the only way they were going to win games.  Right now they aren’t showing it from top to bottom.  The victories will always be a result of outworking the opponent and the losses will be a result of the contrary.

    Funny that the goaltender whose work ethic has always been in question seems to be one of the few giving everything he has.


  72. SmartDog says:

    I’m not a “Gauthier-basher” and usually only comment on his moves when they happen, but can someone provide a list of his trades and signings to date?  Right now it’s not looking so good.  I mean Halpern was a good pick-up so he deserves praise for that…. but as Strickland says, his deal for Halak is looking more like trading gold for copper every day.  Trading for Moore was good but then he let him go for nada (to sign Boyd?).  Auld, Picard, Darce… meh.  Being an NHL GM seems like fun, but it’s high stakes poker and so far Gauthier has lost the biggest hand he’s played.

    PS: Poker is not a sport.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  73. Hagar says:

    Ah, new day. Let me beat the 10 posters who are gonna say it by saying it myself first. Scott Gomez is overpaid and it’s killing our team.

  74. 24 Cups says:

    It’s always interesting to watch a game in person as it gives you a totally different perspective from viewing it on the tube.  I attended Saturday’s Summit game and a few things stood out.

    I realize he’s coming back from a serious injury, but Markov may well have been our worst player on the ice.  I think he knew it as you could see the frustration on his face. 

    Second worst?  Had to be Cammy.  H I/O is all over Gionta (Elliot should have made that save) and Gomez (good 3rd period) but Cammarelli is also letting down the side.  How small is Gionta?  When he jumped over the boards for a line change, I thought he was one of the flag waving kids who are part of the player intros.  Regardless, he received a great round of applause when he finally scored a goal.

    The duo of Gill and Subban isn’t working.  They were on for the first two goals and you have to wonder why Martin would break up a pair of guys who have worked well together from the get-go. Spacek finally scored with the shot that got him a three year contract but he still is often out of position.  He can’t handle the speed coming down over the blueline and just tends to lunge at the oncoming forward.

    Price looked rock solid and was our best player during the first two periods when the rest of the team couldn’t find their groove.  Andrei looked good, especially in light of the fact that he had to switch lines part way through the game.  Pouliot also had some good shifts as did Hamrlik.

    The call on Spacek late in the third was a bad one.  It looked like a good old-fashioned hip check to me.  Another bad call was Martin having Gomez out in the face-off circle when he probably should have gone with Halpern.

    A personal gripe, if I may.  The TV time-outs really have a negative impact on the game.  There are too many of them and the time duration is way too long.  My wife rarely attends a hockey game and was in total shock at how many disruptions there are.  Fans at home may utilize the break to do other things, but the fans in the stands are held hostage.  (My wife also commented on how many beautiful women there are at Hab games.  Really, I never noticed:-)

    As for tonight, this is a Hab team that was built to utilize their superior skating and speed.  That’s the key starting point if the team hopes to turn around their three game slump.  Step two is the PP but we’ve been there, done that.  Simply stated, Markov needs to find his game in a hurry.

  75. matraque says:

    Quebecers always do things in style!  He’s a big Habs fan as well!  Congrats brother!


    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard

  76. observer says:

    Knows when to hold em’ and knows when to fold em’ a helluva lot better than those 2 olde men here Gauthier and Gainey.

  77. Clay4bc says:

    A relevant and regrettably true quote from the article…

    “Is anyone else asking why Montreal would trade Jaroslav Halak? I fully
    understand the situation that existed there but how do you make that
    trade? I think Lars Eller will turn out to be a decent player but any
    suggestions of him being a star are slightly unrealistic
    . This has to go
    down as one of the more lopsided deals in recent trade history. The
    Blues are loaded with talented players under 25 years of age and the
    fact that Montreal GM Pierre Gauthier settled for only Eller and Ian
    Schultz looks worse and worse by the day. How do you trade this guy
    without getting a Perron, Oshie, or Pietrangelo in return?

    I find it hard to believe this is the best deal Gauthier could have
    gotten. Let’s not pretend Halak became good overnight, they saw up
    close with their own eyes how good he is

    Stupid trade. You should have to give up a star to get a star. We just gave one away for almost nothing.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  78. volcano62 says:

    It is so bad that I think the Halak trade was worse than the Roy trade.

  79. observer says:

    That’s why after near 30 years in the NHL fired twice before because he was a terrible GM, Gautier in those near 30 years has never been with a single NHL team who even got as far as the Stanley Cup finals in any year he still was with them. A man of such lowly credentials given the reins here with a formerly class franchise. Absolutely disgusting!

  80. SeriousFan09 says:

    Clay, I’m not sure why I have to keep explaining this to my elders who have been watching the game far longer than I have. Please name me the last time a goaltender was swapped for a star forward, come on, I’m a patient man.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  81. Mark C says:

    This writer really thought a RFA goalie, which had only been playing at an elite level for 45 or so games, could reasonable fetch a return of a top-10 prospect in Pietrangelo? I’m going to start blaming PG for not trading Halak for Taylor Hall.

    All kidding aside, would anyone trade P.K. Subban for Halak?

  82. Clay4bc says:

    Love the condescending tone, Rob. Nice touch.

    To answer your question…

    1st round pick in 2008
    2nd round pick in 2007
    conditional 2nd in 2007 or 2008

    That’s what Florida got for Tomas Vokoun. Not a star forward, but fair value, which is all I ask.

    But, you asked for a star forward, so here’s an example…

    Brad Richards (and another player) was traded for Mike Smith, our own Jeff Halpern, and another player. Good deal there…and Richards is certainly a star.

    Bertuzzi was at the time a star forward – or at least only a long suspension removed from being one – and was traded for Luongo. Who knew Big Bert was washed up?

    But other than Roy and now Halak, when was a true star goalie traded away? Certainly not in your lifetime. Not even in mine. And if we couldn’t get full value, then why trade him?

    And since you clearly lost this bet, will you now relent?

    Like every single hockey writer and commenter – and fan – has said, save a very few, this was a bad trade for the Habs. And the quality of this trade has nothing to do with Price. It has to do with poor asset management, and thus poor management.



    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  83. Clay4bc says:

    You do realize that the writer was a Blues writer, not a Habs writer?


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  84. Mark C says:

    Yes, but how does that matter?

    It is asinine, given the recent history of goalie trades, to even suggest Halak could have been traded for a top-10 NHL prospect.   

  85. SeriousFan09 says:

    Is a 1st-round pick a guarantee of anything? Montreal got an actual player selected in the 1st round in Eller and a 3rd-round selected forward. That is close to being the same trade except that the Canadiens got actual assets and Vokoun had far wider RS credentials in a tougher Western Conference.

    Smith was part of a multi-player deal, I was speaking to an example of when a goalie not a group of players was dealt for value by himself, Jussi Jokinen and Jeff Halpern were in that deal and Halpern was a better player at the time as well.

    Bertuzzi was two years and a long suspension removed from real star player stats and it was widely considered he was not the same man after the Moore incident, VAN wanted him out and they managed to yank Florida’s chain to do it.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  86. Clay4bc says:

    You just can’t take losing an argument, can you?

    I gave at least 2 examples of fair value (Bert aside), and you try to make excuses. Just admit – for once in your life – that you’re wrong.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  87. SeriousFan09 says:

    Except Vokoun was basically the same deal, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder (conditional aside) versus a 1st and 3rd-round selected players for a goalie who to that point, had a lot more RS credentials and let’s not forget that market dictates value and this summer proved no one is really sold that “Star” goaltending is that valuable, Vezina winners and 6-million dollar men were on the golf course pretty fast this past post-season.

    Richards wasn’t traded just for Smith either, there were other assets in the deal so it was not in fact, a straight-up deal, one for the other. I asked for an example of a goalie by himself or with basic throw-ins added on to him that brought in good value.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  88. Clay4bc says:

    You are not a man of your word…fair enough.



    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  89. ctony says:

    Florida (while Martin was coach) traded  Lunongo to Vancouver for Bertuzzi (a premiere power forward at the time), Bryan Allen (forth pick overall with one full NHL season), and Alex Auld (hmmmmmm).  Luongo hadn’t played in the playoffs but was a young, starting goalie with potential.


    So, yeah, if I need a top flight goalie, I would expect to start with Subban and keep giving.  



  90. ctony says:

    WTF are you talking about???  Name a better goalie traded in the last decade and see what he fetched.  

    Hell, even Milbury got better value trading Luongo (two young NHL players).  Boston got better value trading Ranford one disastrous season removed from being an All-Star, they got Tukka Rask (“the best goalie not playing in the NHL”).  

    And, why do we keep using the St. Louis farm system as our only choices for Halak?  Were no other teams interested?  Did PG create a market?  Did we HAVE TO TRADE HALAK????


  91. ctony says:

    Don’t worry about it.  You won the bet.  Teams don’t trade franchise goalies.  those that trade anything close (Vokoun, Luongo, etc.) get back much more than we got back.  It’s not an indictment of Price.  It’s a indictment of poor management. Gauthier is over matched by the realties of being a GM in the post-lock out era.   You don’t make impetuous moves with high value assets.  Houle was fired for trading Roy and got much more back than Eller.


    Logic and fact is lost on this crowd, who blindly follow the thoughtless blogs and comments of people who have never managed anything in their lives.  

  92. JohnBellyful says:

    As fond as I am of Gomez as a playmaker and locker room wit, I, like so many other posters to this site, am disappointed with his current level of productivity. But rather than dwell on the negative, I offer the following tips to help him rehabilitate his image, as well as give his employer full value for the $8 million he is being paid this season:

    – escort fans to their seats before games
    – give teammates neck massages on the bench as he awaits his next shift
    – sell autographs during intermissions (Plekanec’s)
    – donate a kidney

    There is one more suggestion he might want to contemplate when he eventually breaks out of his slump. Have the puck(s) he scored with mounted and auctioned off to collectors of Hab memorabilia, with the proceeds to go to charity. 
    Consider the appeal such a souvenir would have for hard-core collectors. Say, for example, he scores five goals the rest of the season – I’m a glass half-full kind of guy – the winning bidders for the trophy pucks could boast they acquired rare pieces of Hab history at a fraction of its cost to the team, even if they should pay thousands for the acquisition.

    I know one would look good in my den.

  93. tony d says:

    I like your way of thinking

  94. Clay4bc says:

    Well done – very funny man!


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  95. SmartDog says:

    These are great ideas! 

    Another idea: during practice instead of working on his game (it doesn’t seem to help anyway) he could practice skating in circles until his teammates strip the puck, or flicking pucks at people’s feet like he does in games. 

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  96. Habsrule1 says:

    This should be considered for post of the year.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  97. Ed says:

    Jonathan Duhamel, World Champion of poker

    I heard on radio this a.m. that he had several hundred supporters there, including family, & they were mostly wearing Habs’ jerseys. He won $8.9 million. Does Gomez make that much?

    Here’s an interview he did. Seems like a really nice fellow.

    Article in Globe & Mail says that Mr. Duhamel now plans to play in the world’s biggest tournaments – and buy Canadiens season tickets.

  98. smiler2729 says:

    Another Halak story, another day of useless Gauthier, Gainey and Price bashing… This place is becoming The National Enquirer, just to get cybertraffic, kinda pathetic… I couldn’t read it cuz it was in FRENCH but I can just imagine what it said.

  99. Clay4bc says:

    After reading ALL of the comments up until this time, I saw only one mentioning Price at all…

    That comment was YOURS.

    Saying the Halak trade was dumb has nothing to do with Price, and is far from “Price bashing”.

    There was some Gomez bashing though – but apparently such a lover of the “team” as you doesn’t have a problem with that.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  100. RetroMikey says:

    Sad to see Dustin Boyd being let go, we  really did not lose anything by the trade for little Sergei going to Nashville.

    After all, little Sergei is not lighting it up in Nashville either.


    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  101. Lancer says:

    Hope they didn’t get rid of Boyd to sign MAB

  102. jrshabs1 says:

    I don’t speak or read french so these stories in french are lost to me. HIO should sumarize what is being written so us unilingual Hab fans can get in on all the fun to.



    Go Habs Go!!




  103. Clay4bc says:

    Google Translate is your friend…or could be, at least.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  104. LizardKing1967 says:

    if u have google toolbar, u can translate it. some translations are funny (too literal), but u get the idea dead on.



    Jim-out. I BELIEVE!

  105. LizardKing1967 says:

    they will sign Bill Guerin at NHL minimum for one year.



    Jim-out. I BELIEVE!

  106. idle says:

    They can’t.  There won’t be enough left over for MAB.

  107. punkster says:

    Hey Rob, how the heck did I miss you Saturday? I was hoping to link up for a Gomez discussion 😉

  108. SmartDog says:

    Hey Dave… I wasn’t around that much.  Had friends in the city for the week-end, and my SO had her own todo list of things. Barely caught any HIO events at all.  Next year I think I’ll tell people I’m going fishing!

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  109. Mark C says:

    Not bad, but the fact that you make this claim less than 15 games into the first season following the trade shows how extremely bias you are.

  110. sillywalk says:

    Yeah, he does that all the time. If you mention Halak, it’s an automatic dig at Price. Weird.

  111. punkster says:

    Oh this isn’t a complete list of all the beefs and whines on the site, only a short list of the most commonly mentioned complaints that can be addressed. No do-overs. So how would answer my 3 questions?

  112. NightRyder says:

    1. Yes.

    2. No.

    3. Gomez; old d-men; others merely annoying, not a pressing issue.

  113. joeybarrie says:

    Agreed, Sedin is a truly great player. But we are measuring all of our players (it seems) strictly on GOAL production. Funny how Gomer has MORE GOALS. My only point in this is that there are more than ONE type of player in the league.

    Players like Adam Oates have RARELY scored more than 20 goals a season. But no one would doubt they are among some of the best players EVER.

    Gomez is 150 assists short of making the top 50 NHL Assist Leaders EVER.

    Gomez is pacing MUCH higher than most of them right now.  Look at DOUG WEIGHT. He was being paid 9 million for 3 seasons in 2001-2004. He didn’t have more than 15 goals a season… His Cap hit WOULD have been 8.75 million.

    ALWAYS with the goals goals goals….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  114. joeybarrie says:

    Doug Weight hasnt done it in NINE years.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  115. NightRyder says:

    You’re not sure three goals in 47 games is a problem at all?

    Three points in 14 games isn’t a problem at all?

    That would be a problem at Mathieu Darche’s salary, let alone Gomez’s.

  116. NightRyder says:

    Now, now. Finding homoerotic meaning where there is none casts you in a rather unflattering light. Was Christian Ruuttu your favourite player?

  117. mike g says:


    Just having some fun at work..


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  118. mike g says:

    “I’ll jump on that hook”….

    In a blogging room like HIO, filled with a bunch of men, using phrases like that makes my eyes rain.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  119. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny. NO WHERE in that post did you mention goals EXCEPT for when your argument turned AGAINST Gomez.

    Let me tell you the way Gomez is better than Sedin… Gomez averages 17 goals per season and Sedin averages 15…..

    Its really funny how GOALS are SO IMPORTANT when we are arguing AGAINST Gomez…

    Gomez has MORE goals than Sedin

    Gomez has MORE assists than Sedin

    Gomez has MORE points than Sedin

    Gomez has MORE STANLEY CUPS than Sedin

    YET clearly Sedin brings so much more.

    I wont say Sedin isnt a great player, I wont say he isnt better than Gomez. What I will say is this, GOMEZ IS NOT A GOAL SCORER. So when you argue about him, don’t make him a goal scorer. We don’t argue that PK has ZERO GOALS…. We don’t argue that MIKE RIBEIRO is the worst player in the NHL…. HE HAS ZERO GOALS…Krejci wasnt a waste because he has the same amount of goals as GOMEZ… HAVLAT is useless… LESS goals than Gomez…..JASON SPEZZA JUST PLAIN SUCKS, same goals as Gomez……GRABOVSKI LESS GOALS THAN GOMEZ…..LANGENBRUNNER, IGINLA, ELIAS, PATRICE BERGERON, ZAJAC, GIONTA, ETC ETC ETC

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  120. Harani says:

    Scratch that! 

  121. SeriousFan09 says:

    Please don’t antagonize the trolls, I know you’re just mucking with them a bit (or at least I hope you are) but the last 3 seasons between the two forwards has shown a steady rise in production for one and a general under-production for the other on contract.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  122. joeybarrie says:

    So ridiculous that people think H. Sedin is one of the best players in the NHL and is being paid way too little.

    H. SEDIN   10 seasons in the NHL. Averages 15 goals a season. With one big season of 29.

    S. GOMEZ  11 seasons in the NHL. Averages 17 goals a season. With one big season of 33.

    H SEDIN 632 career points.

    S. GOMEZ 735 career points.


    Be Careful…. IM FISHING…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  123. NightRyder says:

    I’ll jump on that hook. Sedin is the reigning Hart Trophy and Art Ross Trophy winner and a first-team all-star.

    He had almost twice as many points as Gomez last year. He has five times as many points as Gomez this year.

    His assist total alone last year is one point off Gomez’s career high in points.

    In the last five years, he has averaged 85.2 points a year and NEVER missed a game. He is also a plus 93 in that time. He has 51 goals and 194 in the last two years and is clearly getting better. He has 24 points in 22 playoff games in the last two years.

    Gomez in the same time period has averaged 66 points per year and is a plus 17. He has 57 goals in the last FOUR years and 117 points in the last two years and is clearly not getting better. Gomez has 19 points in 26 playoff games the last two years.

    In every single way, Sedin is significantly better and the difference in their cap hits alone could have have paid for a decent third-liner or depth defenceman for us.

    Gomez will continue his downward spiral and suck up our salary cap for years, while Sedin will earn his contract and perhaps even another.



  124. sCOTT1243 says:

    Wow, second place in their division and alot of you are still knocking the team.  comon could be worse you could be a Leafs fan 😉

    Let’s all just enjoy the fact that our team, although not running on all cylinders are doing just fine right now.

    Couple comments…

    – Ya Gomez passes too much and is struggling, oh well it happens, he’s not going anywhere so hang in there.  He’ll be an asset to this team.

    – Halak gone, get over it, Price is our man, let’s give him the props he deserves.  Many of the goals scored on him this year have been tip shots, or simply the D having their head up their a**.  Realistically he has made the big saves to keep this team in the game.

    –  My only wish is to get Cammy, Plecs and AK back together asap.  I guess it worked because Gionta finally scored so let’s get that line back to gether.

    –  Subban will be one heck of an NHLer.  Lapierre adios.  Eller will be fine. 

    –  Habs get tough!  If someone hits Price, drop the gloves, show other teams we’re not going to take that crap.  How many times has Price been bumped and everyone seems to want to talk it out with the offending player.  Take the 2 minutes our PK is excellent.

    –  Finally, quit DUMPING the puck.  Carry it in, make a play, comon Martin, remind these guys that they have trouble winning the puck along the boards due to their size.

    Over and out, Go Habs Go!





  125. HabsoluteFan says:

    I say keep Gionta with Pleks, that line could be dynamite with Cammalleri.  Keep AK with Gomez, he’ll see more of the puck than on Pleks/Cammy line because Gomez will prefer giving him the puck than looking for Lapierre.

    Looking forward to the game, the Habs will get up for this one

  126. jrshabs1 says:

     Thanks for your input Pierre. Now get back to work and use your giant brain to figure how you are going to make this team a Stanley Cup contender.


    Go Habs Go!!

  127. cdnred17 says:

    To all you whiners, cryers, and flat-out boneheads, I dedicate this song to you. Honestly, it is so clear how people are blinded by the WIN-LOSE measure of success, no one realizes how difficult and how wicked-intelligent you have to be to be a GM in the NHL this year. Yes, some do it better, some worse. Yes, Montreal has struggled of late. But do people realize how few people are actually qualified to do this job? Go read the “CBA for Dummies” and enjoy feeling like a real numbnut because the ACTUAL CBA is even MORE complicated.

    Easy answer for all you guys: allow the Habs to bottom out like the Pens, Caps and ‘Hawks so they can draft higher and build over. Whoops, not ready to do that? Then go look in the mirror and sing this song to yourself:

    What’s-a matter you, hey, gotta no respect
    What-a you t’ink you do, why you look-a so sad
    It’s-a not so bad, it’s-a nice-a place
    Ah, shaddap you face

    Ah, shaddap you face

    Ah, shaddap you face

  128. NightRyder says:

    You forgot the why’d you trade Halak for dog dung?

    All the ranting we do during the season amounts to squat diddly. If the team can get into the dance, even at the No. 8 slot, that’s all that matters. Maybe we’ll get hot again at the right time, who knows?

    The rest of this is just for fun.

    Except the Gomez stuff. He sucks.

  129. punkster says:

    Hang in there. I have 3 questions (SmartDog style) below for you to answer.

    I reviewed the comments from the past few days and made a list of the common complaints. Many have been identified with absolute certainty as the most important problems that need to be fixed.

    • Gomez not scoring, disinterested, lazy, sloppy
    • Gionta not scoring, in a fog
    • Cammellari floating, not focused
    • Pouliot, misses the net, falls down all the time
    • Moen, not a top 6, should be kept on the bottom 6
    • Eller, not NHL ready, should be in Hamilton
    • Darche, only here because of his name
    • Lapierre, only here because of his name
    • Markov, over the hill, injury-prone
    • Spacek, too old
    • Hamrlik, too old
    • Gill, too old
    • O’Byrne, not an NHL caliber player
    • Martin a bad coach
    • Gauthier is a bad GM
    • Molson is a bad owner
    • We should call up Pacioretty, Henry, Weber, Desharnais, and a few others (preferably with NAG)

    In other words at least half the team should be blown up, traded, sent down, bought out or press-boxed, coaches, management and ownership changed.

    Here are 3 questions for you:

    1) Is improvement possible with the current roster and management?

    2) Does a wholesale change guarantee improvement?

    3) Which of these problems would you rank as the top 3 that if resolved would benefit the team the most?


  130. RiverviewCanadien says:

    1. Yes, we have all seen what these guys are capable of.
    2. No
    3. My number 1 issue I have with the team that NEEDS to be FIXED….the PP. That would benefit the team the most right now

  131. SensFanSpezza says:

    1. Yes.  Unless the team is under some kind of curse, the scorers will start scoring.  Rotate the Ds once in a while and get some youth in ther and they’ll be fine.

    2. Depends.  If you wholesale changed Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri for Toews, Kane and Sharp, yup.

    3. The number one problem isn’t on your list, but it’s the PP, and that can be resolved by Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri getting their collective heads out of their collective asses and scoring some goals.  Number two problem is old, tired defencemen.  That will be resolved with time because Martin will never bench them, but two of them will be gone next year.  The third problem is also not on your list, but it’s the lazy ass fourth line.  They’re not paid to score goals, but they are paid to bang around and make some noise.  They’re too damn quiet.

  132. Propwash says:

    1. The roster is fine, just not producing. 2, There is nobody out there that can improve the Habs without any insane videogame-like trades. 3, the first 3 names on your list needs to get some goal scoring happening, and everything will be peachy.

  133. Timo says:

    Boy, do you ever have lots of time on your hands. Go somewhere warm, play some golf… based on your own assessment you game could use some working on :)

    I will answer your questions though cause well… I need a different job.

    1) It is possible but not probable

    2) It does not and if the wholesale is done by Bob or PG it will be the same crap all over

    3) GM and coach replaced with COMPETANT and focused on winning hockey people, not buddy of the buddy who I knew back when in ottawa and he’s a good guy he does what i tell him to do.

  134. SmartDog says:

    I was going to lecture you on having such a long lead-in.  :)  But these are good questions!  And constructive!

    1. Improvement is possible, but probably not under Martin IMHO.  Hell, our Power Play alone HAS to improve.  But I’m losing faith in Martin.  He does the standard things with his eyes closed ignoring what’s really happening with the players and team.

    2. Of course not. 

    3. This is an excellent question. I narrowed it to these IMHO having SOME important truth:

    • Gomez not scoring, disinterested, lazy, sloppy
    • Moen, not a top 6, should be kept on the bottom 6
    • Lapierre, only here because of his name (not only here for his name but he’s sucking big time)
    • Spacek, too old
    • Martin a bad coach
    • Gauthier is a bad GM

    I’d say the top 3 are:

    • 1. Martin a bad coach – the buck stops here
    • 2. Gauthier is a bad GM – or here
    • 3. Gomez not scoring, disinterested, lazy, sloppy – biggest gap in expectation/pay and performance

    1. Martin isn’t “stink up the joint” bad.  But he’s yesterday’s man.  He dropped Markov back in and shuffled everyone around but should have known Marky would take some time to adjust and our D has gone from good to bumbling.  He finally deals with the Gomer line by breaking up our first line?  HUH??  He’s of course a very smart guy making a lot of smart decisions.  But the dumb ones are really dumb and will keep this team from succeeding unless Price turns into Halak come playoff time.

    2. Gauthier also is not a BAAADDD GM. He’s like Martin.  He’s okay. But he wont’ REALLY solve the problems of the team. But mediocre is death at this level.

    3. Gomez not scoring.  I didn’t put him here just because he’s the only problem on the team – and notice he’s THIRD. But the gap between what he shoudl be doing and what he is doing is biggest. In terms of numbers, leadership, and – from what I saw Saturday – effort.  I’d put Laps as a big problem too – his whole line.  But then again, that’s a Martin problem really isn’t it?




    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  135. joeybarrie says:

    I know, I know, I am only making things worse by beating this dead horse. BUT…. I hjave not gotten a SINGLE answer for this question so I must post it again. I see all the hate in the world for one particular player, but nothing for the rest. So here it goes again.

    What really gets me frustrated are people who blame the entire world
    on Gomez. The last few games he has been playing well. But they are not
    producing. Its not just Gomez. FOR GOD SAKE HAS IT ESCAPED YOU THAT OUR

    Where is your excuse for AK????????????

    Where is your excuse for CAMMALLERI?????????????????

    Where is your excuse for GIONTA???????????????




    people are being so fricken stupid when it comes to this team.
    CLUELESS….. BLAME GOMEZ, he isnt producing. IT casts such a huge
    shadow that 35 million dollars of other players have contributed for ONE goal in 5 games……………….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  136. NightRyder says:

    Gomez will continue to blow goats. The others won’t.

    Anything else I can help you with?

  137. JF says:

    I wish you wouldn’t use caps so much – it’s just tedious to read.  But in general I agree that Gomez is not our biggest problem.  I’m not sure he’s a problem at all (other than his contract of course).  Markov and Cammalleri were our worst players last game. Markov is obviously not in game shape, so I won’t be blaming him for a couple of weeks, but Cammy needs to step it up.  He’s missing the net, making bad passes, rushing his plays, and last game he took a needless penalty.  The defence also needs to start contributing more, but I think it would help if JM went back to something like the pairings he had earlier.  He should also use Picard more, and even O’Byrne.

  138. Seps says:

    would you rather have Rick Nash or Gomez?   there getting the same amount of money…   how about Zetterberg who gets about 2.5 million less than Gomez or Patty Kane who gets .5 million less…  Thats why everyone is so upset, we’re Gomez’s contract away from being an elite team.


    Hockey is what’s called a team game.

  139. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Wow, things are getting heated here today.

    There are a number of players not producing as they should. Some of those players are the ones the Habs are COUNTING on in getting points and some are highly paid.

    The surprising thing is we are getting production from the PhD line, if both top lines start AND the PhD continues, the Habs are going to start winning ALOT of games. For now, as a fan, I will not single out one person, no matter the contract. I like this team, and I believe this team can win.

    The one thing I want the Habs to start doing, is scoring on the PP, so many games have gone by with LOTS of chances, and had they converted on one or two, the Habs would win…They avg almost 2.5 gpg, and have not allowed more than 3 gpg. The PP is the problem, once that is fixed, the Cheerleaders will be back

    Lets stop being so On/Off here, it is so frustrating at times, maybe that is why I spend less and less time here in HIO world…

  140. Mr.Hazard says:

    Duhamel says he’s gonna buy Canadiens season tickets.

  141. SensFanSpezza says:

    Good thing he’ll have about a hundred grand left after Quebec taxes.

  142. fbkj says:

    thats a lot of scratch he won BUT the waiting list for season tickets is redonk

  143. fbkj says:

    considering we dont get taxed on gambling winnings this zinger is instafail :)

  144. SeriousFan09 says:

    Why not…


    Cammalleri – Gomez – Pouliot


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  145. HabsoluteFan says:

    I’d rather see Cammalleri-Plekanec-Gionta / AK-Gomez-Pouliot…Anyway, I’d just like to see Pouliot up there, I think he has potential 


    What ? your tires are flat? Friggin Gomez must’ve sliced them

    What ? your dog ran away ? Gomez must’ve cut the chain

    What ? you lost your homework ? Gomez ate it

  146. Timo says:

    I am thinking that this is indeed how JM decides on his lines.

    “Let’s see here… hmm… why not… Moen, Gomez, Pleks. Or no… wait, here is a better one. I don’t think I’ve tried that one before. Why not AK, Gill, Auld. Yeah, that will be dynamite first line. I shall keep it together for 2 shifts.”

  147. Mattyleg says:

    I like that!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  148. mike g says:


    Pouliot should be playing top 6, not Lapierre, Moen or Pyatt.

    And what do you think of Eller, ROb?

    Hamilton or MTL?

    And btw, it’s 2 straight games JVR is a scratch. Rumors of him getting sent back down to the AHL. PG should be calling Holmgren every 2 minutes and try get that Americano onto our roster asap.

    Even if it costs us a 1st rounder.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  149. lenny says:

    How about






  150. HardHabits says:

    I don’t get this. Eller looked pretty good paired with Plex and AK46. Laps with G&G is a non-starter for me.

    I still think having:




    gives the Habs 3 lines that can score and could realy give the oppostition fits.

    The problem is who will be the 4th center. Maybe bring up Maxwell.

    Laps/Pyatt-Maxwell-Moen for the 4th line.

  151. Bugs says:

    Can’t play Poolio with Gomie at the moment. Jack Marty has convinced me of that.

    Once him and Gio get goin, they’ll be reuinted, and they’ll get Poolio back.

    Can’t mess with the kid’s mojo. Darche and Halpern are motivating him quite nicely.

    Further proof that Jack Marty is a great coach in my book: he’s lookin out for my boy.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  152. punkster says:

    I’d prefer Donder and Blitzen over Dasher and Prancer, but that’s just me.

  153. 24 Cups says:

    After examining all the line combos (listed below), it would appear that we are still short a legit top six forward.  Can’t see that anyone in Hamilton is ready and Eller is just a kid.  Guerin?  LMAO.  Weber or MAB?  A lot of posters would have to retract their negative comments about Carbo if one of these guys is the answer.

    When it’s all said and done, Pouliot is still our best option (even if it’s by default).

  154. SmartDog says:

    No question Pouliot is top 6-worthy.  And I agree that AK-Pleks is a pair you don’t want to split. 

    But taking Pouliot away from Halpern could be a big mistake.  It’s Pouliot’s skill, size, and hunger that make such a good match for Halpern’s smarts.  Darche there to mix things up a little, this is such a good line.

    It’s also what I mean by Gauthier not being a great GM.  What the team NEEDS is another top-6 forward so they don’t need to move Pouliot.  We have a LOT of defensive veterans, some of them great at teaching youngsters, and of course Markov who we did okay without with PK in.  What we NEED is scoring.  There’s a good trade there somewhere.  We also have some boys on the farm who could use a break.  Another way to go at it. 

    But personally I wouldn’t break up the PHD line.  Though Camallier with Gomez… maybe. 

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  155. kirkiswork says:

    The only way to keep a lot of people on this site happy , would be for the Habs to get rid of half the team and most of the management, even then the Habs would still have to win every freakin game to stop the whiners and complainers.

    If you were to win every freakin game then what would be the point of playing ?

    Go Habs Go

  156. TripleX says:

    BG blew up the entire team that he built himself.  The problem is he should have fired himself, BEFORE that dark day in July.

    You have it partly right, keep the team and get rid of ALL top management.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  157. NightRyder says:

    I would settle for 60-8-12.

    The problem with the 24/7 media cycle and blogosphere is the endless amount of information and overanalysis available.

    You cannot replicate playoff intensity every night during an 82-game season with travel and back-to-back games and what not. It’s impossible.

    So, there are going to be stretches when Hal Gill looks like a pylon or Brian Gionta can’t find the net or Carey Price lets in a few bad goals.

    Back in the day, you’d look at the summary in the newspaper and be none the wiser. Now, you can PVR the games and watch them and rewind them and dissect them; see the highlights ad nauseum and then have every genius with an opinion post it in places like this.

    So take all of this with a grain of salt.

    Except the Gomez stuff. He sucks.

  158. dh says:

    Don’t know about that.  Either the Gazette changed the way they do popups or IE8 fixed its broken filter, but I seem to be able to block them now.  So I’m happy. 

  159. SeriousFan09 says:

    End of the week, no points for Eller, get him down to Hamilton I think.

    Still not sold on JVR myself, the technical skills seem to be there but he doesn’t seem to be throwing it together for full games.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  160. Say Ash says:

    JVR looks like the real deal but you follow Philly more. What would it take to get him?

  161. mike g says:


    Agreed with Eller. He’s a centerman, and the wing tryout didn’t work for him. Leave him there this year, and bring him up next year once we probably don’t re-sign Halpern.


    Having watched 7 Flyers games in full so far, all of them in which JVR was dressed, his biggest problem so far has been speed. He goes to the net, tries to finish plays, but is coming up a little too slow.

    He may be out of shape, but I wouldn’t bet on that. My take is that the Flyers team right now, especially their top 6, doesn’t suit his current style of play. Guys like Giroux, Carter, Leino and Briere aren’t the most physical guys. They play with tons of finesse, and that’s not JVR’s game. He’s a John Leclair mould typpe of player. He’s not connecting on a bunch of plays because the fancy passes ain’t his game. They’re expecting him to be a physical force and hit everything that moves.

    They might be forced to hold onto him, simply due to upside and cap hit. Leino won’t be signed next year, he’s one heck of a player but they don’t have the coin for him.

    We will see.

     All I know is that I’d overpay just a little for him right now. Something tells me that him and Eller could become a crazy duo. Both have similar styles. Not overly physical, not too much fancy stuff, just enough to get the job done.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  162. mike g says:

    Right now, he’s not looking like the real deal…

    I’ll be very honest though, before I get into any trade proposals I have to say that I highly doubt they’d let him go. There’s just too much upside in his case. If I’m not mistaken he’s a 2nd overall pick. And they’ve got cap problems, so a young player with upside who costs peanuts on the cap kinda fits their need.

    But, if by some crazy chance, Holmgren was willing to deal him, he wouldn’t come cheap.

    Were talking probably a 1st round pick plus a solid prospect, and that’s if it’s not a good roster player already.

    I’m not an NHL GM or anything, so I don’t know how they’d figure this one out, but that’s what I would ask for him. I’d tell the Habs it will cost them something like Danny Kristo or Avtsin, plus a 1st round pick for JVR and a 4th/5th rounder.

    And even then, I’m not sure Philly takes it.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  163. SeriousFan09 says:

    If JVR is having trouble keeping up with the Flyers quick skaters, does it really help us to add him on to the Habs forward group where speed is pretty much the definition of their game? At present he sounds a little like an American Pouliot, seems to have all the tools but is having an issue throwing it all together.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  164. Say Ash says:

    Stop teasin’ then. I can go elsewhere for that.

  165. mike g says:

    The problem is the speed mixed with the finesse…

     Guys like Giroux, Carter, Briere and company, they’re incredible players who can do things at an extreme high speed. Their reaction time is insane, and they can all shoot, pass, and score at will pretty much.

    IMO, right now at this early stage of JVR’s career, he’s just getting all mixed up. He see’s his linemates doing all these incredible things at high-speed, and then when he tried to follow them doing it he screws up. He’s not that type of player. He’s not gonna deke 3 guys and go score. He was that in the juniors, and now he has to change his game and become a player that blows by defenseman and uses his size to his advantage.

    He seems mixed up in Philly, and is often getting caught watching his linemates dazzle around the opposition. Maybe here in MTL, playing with a fast but much more simple team, hed thrive.

    Guys liek Gio and Gomez aren’t fancy. They gain the zone, dish it to Gionta and shoot on net. They don’t make 6 passes, deke 3 guys, and then shoot. Much more easier game to play for a kid like JVR. He wouldn’t have to worry about 100 things.

    He’s got enough speed to play a simple game.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  166. mike g says:

    You sneaky guy, stay away from that site…

    Anyways, wouldn’t you be pumped if by some miracle we’d pick up JVR?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  167. Say Ash says:

    Hell, yeah! But like the other youth on our team, JM would find a way to suck the life out of him.

  168. punkster says:

    My game is beyond redemption. I do think the Habs game would be far easier to fix.

  169. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, but weren’t we complaining when Carbo did that too?

    And wouldn’t it be worse if he just left them together without doing anything? We’d all be hollering: “Do something!!”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  170. notbigbird says:

    Eeeny, meeny. miny MOEN.

  171. dh says:

    Lapierre has speed, grit and a nice shot when he’s rolling.  I think he’ll have a good year.

  172. kirkiswork says:

    Good Post.

    But unfortunately we are stuck with Gomer. Hopefully he will unsuck soon. Cuz no one will take his salary off our hands.

  173. HardHabits says:









  174. Kristopher7 says:

    I’m glad the mods are on the ball today. The anti-gay comments were sickening.

  175. TripleX says:

    Those are the lines I had in mind for a while, makes a lot of sense.

    On D, I would rather have Markov with O’Byrne and rest Hammer for a few games.  Rotate the older D for rest periods when they look tired.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  176. HardHabits says:

    Hmm. I forgot about OBI-wan. I can see that. Problem is that’s about 9 million on the bench with Hammer and Spacecake sitting. But I still like it. I really think the D needs to be rotated. That way they can play intensely every game.

  177. lenny says:

    The jury is still out on AK’s breakout year, lets see where he’s at in Jan/Feb.

    The Halak/Eller deal is not looking that great. Eller will be a fine player, but moving Halak so early was simply stupid. At the very least we should have gotten a pick as well…

    If putting Boyd on waivers is an indication of a trade, then please package the deal with one of the dinasours on the team and free up some much needed cap space.


  178. Jordio-oh says:

    Yeah I’m starting to lean in your direction as well. I get tired of watching Spacek and Hammer huff and puff up and down the ice after the puck. Plus I wouldn’t mind seeing O’Byrne back in action. Mostly for the sake of change, if nothing else.

  179. Bugs says:

    I see I was victim of deletion by association.

    That’s always fun. Seeing your genius go by the wayside cuz of some goofball come to spoil the fun with stupidities, yes, very fun.

    Excellent system.


    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  180. Mattyleg says:

    Lenny, please. Really.

    Stop banging that drum.

    I’m willing to discuss AK, but that other stuff… move on, bud.

    We have the team we have. There will be no ‘packaging of dinosaurs’.

    Support the team you have, or go watch curling.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  181. Mattyleg says:

    I think putting Gill together with PK would be good. Sub’s speed can make up for when Gill pinches (shudder!), and when PK goes up, Gill’s got the back door.

    Picard and Gorges would be good too, with Pic getting some tips from Josh.

    Hammer n’ Marky looks like a good idea.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  182. SmartDog says:

    Have to be careful who you associate with. 


    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  183. Habs Fan in LeafLand says:

    Boyd is expendable even if it sort of makes Gauthier look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing…but I’m ready to give him the benefit of the doubt…for now.

    As for the Eller trade, this needs time folks. Jaro is playing great, but we all know he can’t keep up this pace all season. Eller needs time but it’ll come.

  184. ctony says:

    Hal can get caught up ice 20 feet from his net.  But you’re on the mark pairing him with Subban


  185. Antho says:

    Eller will not succeed under this system. He is a top 6 player and is being turned into a grinder

    MaxPac’s media address says everything about youth in our team

    Notice subbans last performace?

  186. HardHabits says:

    You’re confusing MaxPac with Dag’s right, cuz when you said our team you were talking about the Blues?

  187. Antho says:

    no max pac made had a media interview indirectly saying that JM does not know how to develop youngsters check it out on the habs official website

  188. ZepFan2 says:

    Well since you’re able to see into the future.

    How about helping me out with the winning numbers to either the 6/49 or Lotto max. Preferably the one with the bigger payout.

    Thanks in advance, Kreskin.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  189. joeybarrie says:

    Would you rather have 2 Lucic’s???  2 Ryder’s????

    It doesnt work like that. You dont just get to pick and choose who you would like…


    So than why is it we cannot get this ELITE player for GIONTA and LAPIERRE????

    Why cant we get this ELITE PLAYER for HAMRLIK AND SPACEK?????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  190. Seps says:

    Obviously you can’t just pick and choose but we could’ve gotten a better player through free-agency or atleast had the ability to make a big trade. Where it’s Gomez’s contract that always holds us back.  It’s not that we don’t like Gomez, it’s his contract we dont like, I’d be fine if we were paying him 2M but right now we’ve payed him 1.6M to get what, 3 points?


    Hockey is what’s called a team game.

  191. cdnred17 says:

    hahahaha…I WISH I was Pierre Gauthier! At least then I would be getting his salary!!!!  No my friend, I am but a fan, but one who believes that if we are ever to CONSISTENTLY (5 consecutive years or more) compete for the Cup, we have to sink lower than we are to rise up. Not because that is what any team has to, but that is what a team that has had “lost” draft years must do, as we did for much of the past 15 – 20 years…

  192. punkster says:


    – I’m not as negative about Martin and not ready to throw him out with the bath water. My concern is with the overall disjointed play of the whole team. After 14 games with an 8-5-1 record I’m not ready to point fingers. I would like to see more organization on the ice, more guys trying different approaches, more commitment around the net. etc.

    – As far as Gauthier goes I don’t think he has any day-to-day impact on the team during a practice or game. He and Gainey are still building an unfinished product. I look back 6 and more years ago and I’m far happier with the team these guys are assembling. For me the key phrase would be “Under Construction”. That’s one area I think many people choose to ignore. Bob or Pierre haven’t simply “built this team” and that’s the end of the story. They’re building and it’s not done yet.

    – Gomez, Gionta and Cammellari should be our centrepiece and along with Pleks the core of our scoring. If their histories are any indication we’ll see them step up. Of course all 3 may be about to have career lows. I doubt it but anything is possible I suppose. (I’m not even going to get into Laps because too many laps tires me out 😉

  193. PureGuava says:

    I feel the same way. Why break up your best line to get Gomez going? – Gomer should have been centering the third or fourth line, not given a red-hot winger who is now ice-cold.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.” – Robert Anton Wilson

  194. SmartDog says:

    Indeed!  Dog bones are on me!

    Great quote!

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

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