The post-Boyd era begins

Shout-out to Jonathan Duhamel, World Champion of poker.

Quebecer is 23 years old and $9 million richer.


Louie, Louie

• Pat Hickey on Alain Vigneault

Booting Boyd gives Canadiens room to manoeuvre: Marc Antoine Godin

• Richard Labbé on how the Halak trade went down

• Our friend Marc de Foy goes into the Hall of Fame

Pierre LeBrun at HoF shindig

The Sedin twins are in town …



  1. ctony says:

    There isn’t much to go on, because GM don’t trade young
    starting goalies unless they’re Mike Milbury. 
    Luongo comes to mind.  He had two
    young goalies – Luongo and DiPietro – and felt compelled to give one away. 


    At that point, Luongo had played 24 regular season games,
    none in the playoffs; went 7-14 and had a 3.25 GAA.  Nothing to write home about. Milbury packaged
    him with Jokinen.  The number 3 pick two
    years earlier who had underachieved during one season with NYI and one with the
    LA Kings.   Milbury got back relative garbage.  Oleg Kvasha, nothing special in two years
    with Florida and Mark Parrish, then an emerging power forward in his first two
    NHL seasons.  So, even getting fleeced,
    Milbury picked up two young NHL players for a top pick with no track record.  


    By this standard, PG didn’t fare well.  But wait, it gets worse.


    Six years later, Luongo was traded again.  This time he was an established starter playing
    with a bad Florida team – coached by JACQUES MARTIN.  Florida got Bertuzzi a stellar power forward (at
    the time), Bryan Allen (the fourth overall pick with one NHL season) and (holy
    crap) ALEX AULD.  Vancouver gave up great
    value and still won this trade.   As a side note, maybe Jacques orchestrated this


    I would argue that Halak’s playoffs made him more marketable
    than Luongo who had never played in the playoff. 


    PG got back Eller with 7 games of NHL experience and


    I think this discussion about FAIR VALUE FOR GOALIES is
    OVER!!!!  We got KILLED on a historical
    level. PG should have been fired for this alone.  And, before I get blasted for the
    aforementioned.  This is not a knock on
    Carey Price.  It is meant to point that
    we didn’t get back enough for a young starting goalie with a solid track

  2. joeybarrie says:

    Were you EVEN aware that our TOP SCORER AK hasnt scored in 6 games????????

    What was the excuse for the other 5 games he played with Pleks??????????????



    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  3. Mattyleg says:

    Wow, the Sedin Sisters truly are creepy. See how their knees were touching as they sat next to each other?


    I hear there’s a player on the Canadiens called Scott Gomez. He seems like a good young prospect. Let’s get behind him and hope he gets his game together!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  4. SmartDog says:

    So Moore, Dags, Lats, all have as many or more goals THIS YEAR than Gomez in over his last half-year worth of games.  Money well spent Bob, money well spent!!

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  5. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny AGAIN…..  ALL GOMEZ’ FAULT. 


    Cammalleri 0 goals and only 2 assists in the last 6 games. (why isn’t Gomez giving his the puck???)

    AK ZERO points in the last 5 games. (Why is Gomez telling AK not to score)

    GIONTA’s league bottom 3% shooting percentage. (stupid Gomez messing with Gio’s sticks)

    Not having a proper linemate on the 2nd line. (stupid Gomez and his constant juggling)

    Pleks 47% in faceoffs. (stupid Gomez, distracting Pleks during faceoffs)

    Powerplay is really lacking goals. (stupid Gomez telling the guys to WAIT till he gets on the ice to score)

    PK Subban lack of goals, despite his 39 shots from his spot. (stupid Gomez telling him if he shoots wide he has a better chance of scoring)


    What really gets me frustrated are people who blame the entire world on Gomez. The last few games he has been playing well. But they are not producing. Its not just Gomez. FOR GOD SAKE HAS IT ESCAPED YOU THAT OUR TOP TWO LINES HAVE A COMBINED THREE GOALS IN THE LAST FIVE GAMES????

    Where is your excuse for AK????????????

    Where is your excuse for CAMMALLERI?????????????????

    Where is your excuse for GIONTA???????????????




    Honestly people are being so fricken stupid when it comes to this team. CLUELESS….. BLAME GOMEZ, he isnt producing. IT casts such a huge shadow that 35 million dollars of other players have contributed for ZERO goals in 5 games……………….

    These are players who together contributed to 1.5 goals per game last season…… We are missing 7 goals from them in the last 5 games, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE FAULT OF SCOTT F GOMEZ< CAUSE THE ALASKAN SUN HAS SET FOR THE WINTER AND IT TAKES DOWN OUR TOP TWO LINES AND TOP 2 DEFENSIVE PAIRING WITH IT………………….



    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  6. NightRyder says:

    I’m on board now. Henrik Sedin doesn’t score that many goals either.

    I should compare Gomez to him really, the playmaking centre type, right?

    Sedin: $6.1 million cap hit. 112 points last year.

    Not quite TWICE as many points as Gomez and his $7.4M cap hit.

    This year, he’s only got two goals and only FIVE times as many points as Gomez.

    So, Gomez is still pretty good value, no?

  7. habsguy says:

    why worry about something you have no control over….if you can give a logical way of getting rid of Gomez and his contract,  then I’ll start to worry !!!…Until then,  I’ll just keep cheering for the Habs!!

  8. samTHEman says:

    Hypothetically speaking, let’s say the Flames were interested in trading Iginla to us and PG agreed to negociate.

    How exactly are we supposed to take on his cap hit? Iginla’s cap hit is 7M till 2012-2013.

    To get him, a combination of Hamrlik, Spacek, or Gomez would have to go the other way along with draft picks and a prospect. Besides, I don’t think the Canadiens can take on Iginla’s contract as they haven’t yet resigned Markov and Gorges. Gorges is looking around 3.5mil which is a signifcant raise from his current 1.1M salary.

    And do you really think the flames will take back Hamrlik let alone Spacek? I wouldn’t eliminate Gomez because Sutter is a moron.

    There’s no way Iginla is traded to MTL. And I highly doubt he is traded at all. He isn’t the problem.

  9. nunacanadien says:

    Notice all of the above trades are not exactly shining trades for star players either, and leaning largely on the shrimp side of thiings, what is with Montreal and needing small hockey players?

  10. SmartDog says:

    He was being sarcastic.  The point is even supposed plunkers (hello D’agastoni!) are doing more in a game than Gomez in over a month of Sundays.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  11. 24 Cups says:

    NHL getting ready to cash in on a new TV deal?

  12. nunacanadien says:

    Damned rights to that!  Time to shop Gomez around and maybe Gionta too if you can unload them both….

  13. HFX-HabFan says:

    14 sounds better than 47.  Good for you for coming around!

  14. HFX-HabFan says:

    Since the ‘Nucks are coming into town tonight, I continue along with bringing you the “debut roster” series.  Below is a list of players that made their NHL debut wearing a Canucks uniform:

    D Sedin-H Sedin-Burrows











    Total cost: $49.75mil, or $9.65mil under the cap.  A lot of the same cast of characters up front, but some useful veterans on the back end, and their backup is big and bald.  While the current version of the Canucks is deemed by some to be a Cup contender, the version listed here likely wouldn’t be.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is where we place in a 30 team league this week folks.

    Goals Against—–33. We are in 10th place.   Last week we were in   6th place.

    Total Points——-17. We are in 7th place.     Last week we were in   3rd place.

    Goals For———-34. We are in 19th place.   Last week we were in 15th place

    We are far ahead of last years pace at this time. Once we get our PP clicking, win a few more faceoffs, goal production will improve. Just a matter of time for it all to come together.

    It has been a little frustrating watching the last 3 or 4 games for sure, but they will tweak a few things and be very competitive in the new year. We are sitting nicely right now, with better teams to face yet though.

    Read Ian Cobb’s HI/O Blog for the summit results.

  16. Mark C says:

    Moore was replaced by Halpern on a one year deal for about half the price. Halpern is doing everything Moore did, while only being signed for one year, which allows players like White extra AHL time, and will open up a spot on next year’s club, unlike signing Moore would have.

    Moore returned more than enough value for a 2nd round pick, who cares that they let him walk? He was successfully replaced in the off-season at a lower cost. I would not have minded Moore being kept, but let’s not make a mole hill out of Moore not being signed when he was replaced.  

    The Tanguay trade didn’t work out, some of that has to do with expectations and injuries. However, I don’t think you can blame PG/BG for letting him walk, because he couldn’t be re-signed. If you want to say that trade didn’t work out fine, but letting Tanguay walk was not a mistake (he had 10 goals and 37 points the following year).



  17. Hagar says:

    Pardoned. We all make mistakes.

  18. NightRyder says:

    No problem!

  19. LA Loyalist says:

    Why do people keep posting “when Nomez was producing in the playoffs last spring” in a nostalgic way?

    He scored 2 goals and was minus 6 and took dumb penalties – yeah it looks good to how he’s playing now.

    if we’d had a real #1  center and Markov hadn’t been hurt we could have beaten Philly.

    We have a huge structural and financial problem because of that dopey trade: Le Trade 2.

    Maybe you’re ok waiting “in a few years looking back”. If we had a bunch of good kids and draft picks I might be ok, too. But we’ll waste the talent we have because we don’t have a big center who knows where the freaking net is and doesn’t load his diaper and dump the puck every time he crosses the oppo blue line.

    Watch him against Vancouver tonight with special attention and see what you think.





  20. Hagar says:

    Are you aware that when judging a forward’s production, the stat used most often is points? I’m not making this up. Check any site that ranks NHL players in a scoring race.

  21. linp says:

    I think the organization needs to reflect on the way they handle young players. Why Grabowski and SK became a cancer in Montreal but not else where, not even in Hamilton? Did they know how to develop Boyd, Eller, O’Byrne or Max Pac? JM tolerates experienced players way off-limit and punishes young players very quickly. Did he care to explain his decision to the players. The players are human beings. No coach would place a young player one game in the 1st line and on the bench the following game. It certainly didn’t help the development of Eller. Good for Max Pac to spell it out.

  22. NightRyder says:

    You’re not worried about three goals in 47 games? You’re not worried about a 17-game goalless streak in the playoffs? You’re not worried that his gargantuan albatross of a salary meant we couldn’t afford to keep Halak and Price for at least one more season? You’re not worried that he is pushing 31 years old and isn’t likely to suddenly blossom into a 95-point guy?

    Well, good for you Alfred E. Neuman.

    It’s time for everyone else to start beating the drum with us: Gomez must go.

  23. NightRyder says:

    Well, pardon me then. I guess three POINTS in 14 games is good?


  24. Hobie Hansen says:

    What position does Gomez play?

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    If we can pull down Sutter’s pants like everyone else has? What the hell why not, Cup Contender status with Iginla.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  26. joeybarrie says:

    Great post. I don’t think anyone out there really realizes how poor Gomez’ production is. Most people around here are pretty unaware of Gomez. Haven’t really heard much about him, so thanks for the great update.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  27. Hobie Hansen says:

    Superstars? Torres is a 3rd liner no?

  28. fbkj says:


  29. ctony says:

    Moore was a positive influence on Laps and brought hard work and energy ever shift.  Moore was sufficiently “huge” then we should have found $1.1m to keep him.  

    PG’s lack of consistency is frustrating.  Trade for Moore – let him walk.  Trade for Tanguay – let him walk.  Draft players with high picks – don’t create an organization to develop them.  Have small quick forwards on the top lines signed for multiple years and retain a coach that doesn’t play to their strengths.

  30. NightRyder says:

    Iggy for Gomez. Anyone have pics of Sutter and farm animals?

  31. LA Loyalist says:

    I don’t miss that little snot Grabowski, this team is too small anyway. Palushaj actually may turn into something.

    But otherwise I think you are pretty much on and you’ve just depressed the hell out of me again to start the day.

    So, to ref my post above, is Calgary dumb enough to trade us Iginla for Gomez and “insert name here”?


    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  32. NightRyder says:

    Scott Gomez goals in his last 47 games: three.

    Fourteen players have scored that many in ONE GAME this year alone, including superstars like Derek Stepan, Brad Richardson, Jay McClement and Raffi Torres.


  33. ctony says:



    I agree with your points about Grabovski and SK being
    distractions. But we have to get NHL value for NHL assets.  All these players are in the NHL and
    contributing, some at a very high level. 
    We didn’t get back current NHL players for them.  And, it’s not like we gave up older players
    were we can say, “let’s evaluate these trades years down the road”.
    Halak is 25.  Grabs is young.  SK is young. 


    PG took two of our most valuable playoff performers (Halak
    and Moore) and received Eller, Schultz and NOTHING.  PG didn’t think enough of Moore to pay him
    $1.1m per year for two years.  PG could
    have found the money if he hadn’t signed Boyd ($600k) – who he waived in less
    than a dozen games. 


    The real problem is a lack of identity or vision for how
    this team is supposed to play.  We have
    small quick forwards and coach that doesn’t employ an aggressive forecheck.  We have older/slow defensemen (Markov and
    Subban excepted) that don’t/can’t get involved in the offense.


    That makes it difficult to know what components we need to be
    effective consistently. 



  34. SmartDog says:

    And if my car had wings, it’d be an airplane.

    This blame-everyone-but-not-Gomez thing for Gomez’s SUCKY year to date KILLS me.  For the one game Gio was moved off the Gomez line, Gio scored and Gomez (with our top scorer Kostitsyn) did nothing.  Stop the freakin’ insanity.  Like or hate Gomez his work this year STINKS.  With 3 points he knows it, you might as well know it too.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  35. Say Ash says:

    I was there. Painful stuff.

  36. Say Ash says:

    I consider Andrei playing well as part of the Sergei trade.

  37. LA Loyalist says:

    What would you do?

    Iginla is in a slump. (you’d be in a slump too if you played in Calgary)

    1. Would you take a chance?

    2. Who would you trade (preferably getting rid of one or more of our problem children in the process).



    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  38. Exit716 says:

    I enjoyed that article on the Halak trade. It was nice to see Pierre allowed Doug Armstrong to dictate the terms of the deal. Armstrong had to have an answer before July 1? So Gauthier accomodated and didn’t bother trying anywhere else? Awesome.Eller must have been a huge prize if the Blues who can’t score had no problem dumping him and some other fourth line scrub. Again this is where Timmins fails horribly. He can’t find anything beyond American college players that are small and soft. The sooner he’s given the bum’s rush, the better. Maybe that Islanders guy can draft better than Timmins.


  39. Mark C says:

    What free agents have signed to fill those holes?

  40. LA Loyalist says:

    I was going to write a joke but I can’t even do that this is so sad.

  41. Exit716 says:

    I disagree about your assessment of Tom Pyatt. He’s nothing special. Guys like him are a dime a dozen, but the inept scouting director Timmins can never find those useless hump, therefore the Habs have to waste money on signing free agents to fill those holes.

  42. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Who else is gonna be at the game tonight? Should be a great one, I’m pumped! 

  43. Mark C says:

    Montreal also got a 2nd round pick in the Garbo trade. BTW this was a BG trade, right?

    The Moore trade was a huge win for Montreal, for the life of me, I can’t understand why letting him walk means the trade was bad.  

    Dags is an every day NHLer, but Gomez isn’t, soild work here.

  44. Say Ash says:

    In the past few games, Andrei has whiffed a couple of open nets, too.

  45. Clay4bc says:

    Since you chose not to notice, I actually won that bet below…so time to stop defending it.


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  46. HabsoluteFan says:

    Grabovski was a head case in Montreal.  We traded Sergei  because he was also a problem, yes we didnt sign Ellis and waived Boyd but we seemed to have regained Andrei.  D’agostini had 4 points in the season before he was traded and I think we might have jumped the gun on him.  Moore was a UFA, what team would’ve wanted to trade for him when they could just wait and sign him ?  Halak was traded for Eller, Schultz, Plekanec and Price.  Happy he’s having a great start in St.Louis but our problem here has nothing to do with goaltending.  For the last trade, I don’t miss Higgins…and when Gomez is producing (playoffs last spring) nobody’s complaining about that trade.

    After all of that, the only useful everyday players we have are Andrei, Plekanec, Price, Pyatt, Gomez (eventually) and we might be surprise with Eller, Schultz and Palushaj (great start in the AHL) in a few years.

    It’s easy to look back and judge when you already know what happens.  But when you’re on the spot trying to make the best decisions for the team while media, fans and analysts wait for your every move…I’d like to see you do it.

    Finally, I’m not bashing your post…You might end up being right, but in a few years looking back..these traded might not seem so bad afterall

  47. TomNickle says:

    I believe Palushaj has twelve points in 6 games with the Dogs too.

  48. Psycho29 says:

    Isn’t there a “Jean Coutu” right next to the “La Belle Province” in Camden????


  49. 24 Cups says:

    Faceoff’s Canuck home page with lots of team info and updates.

    Vancouver’s official NHL website.

    The Vancouver Sun’s hockey page.

    The Province’s hockey page.

    Nucks Misconducts (not updated for tonight’s game as of 9AM)

    Vancouver breaks the bank in an attempt to win it all.

    Vancouver manoeuvred to draft Tinordi this summer.

  50. gauver says:

    I agree that Cammalleri is frustrated but I don’t make much of the pre-season slash on Neidereiter; I think it was simply a response to a hit to the head with no call made and nothing more.

  51. JustSomeguy says:

    Markov has some rust that needs shaking off; 5 or 10 minutes a game won’t do it.

    So … Hamilton … or 20 minute nights with the Habs.

    He’ll be back. He is, IME, an awfully determined gentleman who does not cut himself any slack. FWIW, he also doesn’t go into a funk when he does have off nights. He’s an interesting guy; he’s quiet, but INTENSELY competitive.

    FWIW, I think you meant to say, “Thank God Price has been solid. If not. we’d be sinking like the Leafs.”

  52. TomNickle says:

    Grabovski was bitching and moaning on an every day basis – got rid of a cancer.

    D’Agostini was irresponsible without the puck and wasn’t scoring for us – got a good return for him.

    Kostitsyn was more than cancer, he was the plague – the team came together with him in the pressbox.

    That 2nd rounder for Moore was Gauthier’s best trade – Moore was one of our most valuable players, scored the GWG in game 7 against the Capitals which created serious playoff revenue with the Pens and Flyers series’.  He did it knowing he was getting a higher second round pick in the compensation for David Fischer going un-signed.

    Halak trade can’t be fairly evaluated for a while considering the ages of Eller and Schultz.

    McDonagh is going to have to battle just to make the NHL, Valentenko won’t and Higgins was an injury prone and inconsistent player who has been bounced around more than Paris Hilton while Gomez and Pyatt are both productive players for our team.  You can debate the productivity level of Gomez all you want, but he’s been a borderline elite NHL player from his rookie year through today.

  53. punkster says:

    You’re kidding right? Bound to be same old, same old.

  54. kirkiswork says:

    Gomez’ productivity is really a reflection of Gio’s productivity. If Gio wasn’t in a slump Gomer would have many more points.

    Still not too worried about it, better now than later.

  55. gauver says:

    I’ll give it a go.  Please bear in mind, I am not looking for an argument but a civil discussion.

    On the assumption we rid ourselves of Gomez and his contract and that it was not done by virtue of a trade beneficial to us, what would you do as GM?  Who would you move up from Hamilton or within the current Habs lineup or who would you target for trade or offer sheet?  What do you think we would have to give up (if anything) to get the targeted player? 

  56. punkster says:

    Oops, what we want from Gomez is to create the opportunities for his line mates to put the puck in the net. Gomez is not and never has been a scorer. But you already know that. So given the fact that his line mates have not I would suggest they shoulder equal responsibility.

  57. HabsoluteFan says:

    Not trying to defend JM but what if his decisions ended up fixing the Gomer line.  We would have 2 solid scoring lines.  I think he has no choice to try to fix the 2nd line even if it costs us a few wins.  In the long run, this team absolutely needs a boost from the offense and I think JM has to get that line going if the Habs want to have a good season.  He might not have the miracle solution right now but he’s trying some things (finally splitting up G&G might be his best move so far).

    I’d like to see Gionta-Plekanc-Cammalleri / Kostitsyn-Gomez-Pouliot but probably won’t happen since it’s too logical and JM doesnt want to break up his P.H.D line

  58. JF says:

    Good post, Steve.  I didn’t watch the whole game because I got too fed up, but I’ve thought for a while that, despite all the Gomez bashing, Cammalleri has actually been the worst of our three expensive acquisitions from last year.  He’s very frustrated and he’s allowing it to affect his game, rushing his plays, making poor decisions, taking bad penalties.  I find myself wondering whether this frustration stems from not being chosen captain, since we saw signs of it in the pre-season with the slash on Niederreiter.

    JM should go back to the old defence pairings and give limited minutes to Markov until he gets back into game shape, which could be a couple more weeks.  Subban and Picard worked well, and I’d like to see Picard used more regularly, with Hamrlik and Spacek being rested.  I’d also like to see him tried on the point on the powerplay, since he shoots left and the other options we’ve tried have produced nothing.  Cammalleri at the point seems a mistake; he has trouble holding the zone and he’s more dangerous down low.

    As for this week, I fear it will confirm what many of us suspect, that, despite our great start, the Habs are again a bubble team who will scramble for one of the last two playoff spots and just as likely miss out as make it.

  59. VintageFan says:

    Partial Summary;

    • Got rid of Grabowski in return for Greg Pateryn.  Grabo is an every day NHLer
    • Got rid of d’Agonstini in return for Aaron Palushaj.  Dags is an every day NHLer
    • Got rid of Kostitsyn in return for Ellis & Boyd rights.  Ellis is in Tampa, Boyd is on Waivers
    • Traded a 2nd round pick for Moore.  Let Moore walk for nothing
    • Traded Halak for Eller and Schultz.  Halak is the starting goalie for the best team in the league
    • Traded McDonagh, Higgins, & Valentenko for Gomez & Pyatt

    After all of the above, the only useful, everyday player we have is Tommy Pyatt – a 3rd or 4th line player and very good on the PK.  Pierre Gauthier is from the school of Sather and Milbury. 

  60. Hobie Hansen says:

    I was listening to “The Team 1200” here in Ottawa on my drive to work and they were talking about the WSOP Champion, being from Montreal and everything. What a massive achievement that is. 1st place out of 7300 people, with his buddies wearing their Habs jerseys cheering him on in the background. That’s pretty cool!

    I’ve worked in casinos, played poker for years and been to Vegas a bunch of times and I can tell you that city is electric when the WSOP is taking place. If Montreal wasn’t on the poker map already, it certainly is now.


    A few other quick points:


    I can’t wait for Tinordi to be NHL ready, hoping for 2012/13 season. It’s been a while since we’ve had an Odelein or Quintal, super tough and steady defenseman.


    I hope all us HIO people are in better spirits today, yesterday there was a lot of arguing over guys like Gomez, Martin, MAB and others. Myself included.


    Habs will show up big tonight and hopefully some of the players in question as of late really make an impact. Bottom line is that it will be a hard fought game regardless.


    GO HABS GO   




  61. TB says:

    Should be a good game tonite Price will wanna show the ‘nucks up after that terrible game in Vancouver last year

  62. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because it literally didn’t do us any damn good to keep both of them. What good is it having two goaltenders eating up say, 6.5 million on the cap (That’s going by current cap hits optimistically) when either of these goalies so far has proven they can give the team the netminding that can win on any given night.

    The team is facing the cap, they needed to address issues of depth among their skaters and choose who their goalie is, end the drama, end the distraction, choose the No. 1 goalie that the defence will learn to work with and how to best defend that netminder.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  63. TomNickle says:

    There are so many variables that you can’t just say we all know the argument.

    Plekanec, Hamrlik or Spacek would have had to have been let go to keep Halak and Price.

    And as long as Price was under contract, Halak wasn’t signing long term.  But believing that he would have is pretty naive considering his discomfort in sharing the net with Price.

    So you can bet that Halak was going to arbitration as long as Price was a member of the Habs organization.

    With that in mind.  It would be completely speculative to throw out arbitration award scenarios for Halak.

    If you have some control, why leave it to chance?  Plekanec is more valuable to this team than the concept of two strong goaltenders.  I wouldn’t have shed any tears if Hamrlik was sent packing to make room, but I wouldn’t have been pleased to see Plekanec go in favour of that tandem.

    Now, I’ll assume this is where you reply with the “it’s all Gomez’s fault” argument.  And then I would reply with, do you really expect him to continue this drought all season?  And then you reply that he can’t justify the contract, then I agree, but we’re a worse team without Gomez than we are with him.

  64. MikeMcLaren says:

    In Richard Labbe’s article he (courtesy of google translate) says:

    Since it comes from New Jersey, memo to John MacLean: it would be a good idea to go to Jean Coutu to pick up empty boxes.  You never know when it might serve.

    Uhhhhh, he’s in New Jersey. Richard.  I know you might be trying to “keep it local” with your references for your readers, but I assure you: there are no Jean Coutu’s in the entire state.

    Dunno, that just struck me as odd. 


  65. SmartDog says:

    Which would take us back to why we didn’t have the cap room to sign what would have been the strongest goal-tending tandem in the league at a modest cost.  Let’s not go there.

    You can say he had to trade him, yadda yadda… we all know the argument.  But there are always options; if you look up ice and dont’ see an opening you circle back or make a lateral play.   GM’s live by their trades.  I didn’t attack the Halak trade, I asked to see his whole list of trades to date as his work to date.  If we lose more than we’ve won, our pot is bound to be growing smaller not bigger, that’s the bottom line.  

    People also defend Gomez.  He’s trying so hard… it’s not him it’s his line-mates… he’s a super-duper guy…  Who gives a dogs breakfast?  What we want from Gomez is the puck in the net.  What we want from Gauthier is to win trades.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  66. idle says:

    Not much to disagree with there…

  67. PrimeTime says:

    So fellow posters, what will be debated today ad nauseum?? My guess is the same ol’ posters will repeat their same ol’ arguements and still end up in the same place! God, I hope something happens to change the trend here. Will check back around noon….

  68. TomNickle says:

    It depends on how you view the trade.

    If you’re judging it based on Eller and Schultz you’re being short sighted considering we’re less than twenty games into the season.

    If you’re judging it based on Price and Halak’s respective production levels it’s also short sighted for the same reason.


  69. SmartDog says:

    Good post.

    The only guy PK has looked good with is Picard; together they were dynamite (and a collective +13).  Why the F JM split them up is beyond me but dimes will get you dollars he puts them back together after all this wasted time.

    And Markov has not been good but is sitll getting 20+ minutes a game. Seems like JM is listening to the hype (“Markov is our best player”) instead of watching the game.

    i’m not sure I agree about Cami.  I do agree something seems a little off, but he has 8 points and his +/- is the best on the team.  He misses AK I think… wasn’t it just before JM split the line up that Pleks was saying how AK helps create space for Cammalleri?   JM the genius strikes again. Seriously, I’m losing faith in that guy.  The team started great, lots of fire, strong team play, good lines overall, but trying to fix the Gomer line and integrate Markov he seems to have undone everything that was good.

    Thank God Price has been solid. If not. we’d be sinking like a leaf.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  70. SeriousFan09 says:

    Same offer I made Clay SD, I’ll stop defending the Halak deal when someone around here rounds up a goaltending trade made in the last 10 years (or even further back) that really swapped fair value.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  71. TomNickle says:

    Completely agree Steve. 

    Markov doesn’t have his game speed back yet and that makes his mistakes more costly because he can’t recover from them and negate the consequences.

    Cammalleri had an opportunity late in the game to beat out an icing with us down a goal and circled away from the play, half heartedly I might add.  I was completely disgusted at the time and the bitterness hasn’t really subsided yet.

    Hamrlik, with less than 90 seconds to go coasted back to touch up an icing in a game where seconds are critical.  Ditto for him.

    The day that Jacques Martin was hired everybody on this team should have known that a superior effort was the only way they were going to win games.  Right now they aren’t showing it from top to bottom.  The victories will always be a result of outworking the opponent and the losses will be a result of the contrary.

    Funny that the goaltender whose work ethic has always been in question seems to be one of the few giving everything he has.


  72. SmartDog says:

    I’m not a “Gauthier-basher” and usually only comment on his moves when they happen, but can someone provide a list of his trades and signings to date?  Right now it’s not looking so good.  I mean Halpern was a good pick-up so he deserves praise for that…. but as Strickland says, his deal for Halak is looking more like trading gold for copper every day.  Trading for Moore was good but then he let him go for nada (to sign Boyd?).  Auld, Picard, Darce… meh.  Being an NHL GM seems like fun, but it’s high stakes poker and so far Gauthier has lost the biggest hand he’s played.

    PS: Poker is not a sport.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  73. Hagar says:

    Ah, new day. Let me beat the 10 posters who are gonna say it by saying it myself first. Scott Gomez is overpaid and it’s killing our team.

  74. 24 Cups says:

    It’s always interesting to watch a game in person as it gives you a totally different perspective from viewing it on the tube.  I attended Saturday’s Summit game and a few things stood out.

    I realize he’s coming back from a serious injury, but Markov may well have been our worst player on the ice.  I think he knew it as you could see the frustration on his face. 

    Second worst?  Had to be Cammy.  H I/O is all over Gionta (Elliot should have made that save) and Gomez (good 3rd period) but Cammarelli is also letting down the side.  How small is Gionta?  When he jumped over the boards for a line change, I thought he was one of the flag waving kids who are part of the player intros.  Regardless, he received a great round of applause when he finally scored a goal.

    The duo of Gill and Subban isn’t working.  They were on for the first two goals and you have to wonder why Martin would break up a pair of guys who have worked well together from the get-go. Spacek finally scored with the shot that got him a three year contract but he still is often out of position.  He can’t handle the speed coming down over the blueline and just tends to lunge at the oncoming forward.

    Price looked rock solid and was our best player during the first two periods when the rest of the team couldn’t find their groove.  Andrei looked good, especially in light of the fact that he had to switch lines part way through the game.  Pouliot also had some good shifts as did Hamrlik.

    The call on Spacek late in the third was a bad one.  It looked like a good old-fashioned hip check to me.  Another bad call was Martin having Gomez out in the face-off circle when he probably should have gone with Halpern.

    A personal gripe, if I may.  The TV time-outs really have a negative impact on the game.  There are too many of them and the time duration is way too long.  My wife rarely attends a hockey game and was in total shock at how many disruptions there are.  Fans at home may utilize the break to do other things, but the fans in the stands are held hostage.  (My wife also commented on how many beautiful women there are at Hab games.  Really, I never noticed:-)

    As for tonight, this is a Hab team that was built to utilize their superior skating and speed.  That’s the key starting point if the team hopes to turn around their three game slump.  Step two is the PP but we’ve been there, done that.  Simply stated, Markov needs to find his game in a hurry.

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