The NHLPA weighs in on the Pacioretty incident

Here’s a statement from the NHLPA about the Max Pacioretty incident. Kind of makes you wonder.

TORONTO – National Hockey League Players’ Association Executive Director Don Fehr made the following statement today:

“Player safety has always been, and continues to be, a great concern to the Players’ Association. In that regard, issues involving the boards and glass in NHL arenas have been a longstanding focus for the players. The serious nature of the injury suffered by Max Pacioretty in Montreal this week reinforces the importance of maximizing the safety in this area and highlights the need to look further into the matter. We will be inspecting the rink in Montreal, and elsewhere as needed, to make sure the appropriate padding is in place. We will continue to gather feedback from the membership, to ensure the safest possible work environment for our players.”

228 Comments

  1. mjames says:

    Is the the Molson arena the only one with that configuration/ construction? Aside from the fans why is it that no one, including Molson,  mentions the fact that Chara had his hand on the back of Pac’ head. Why is that? 

    mjames

  2. CharlottetownHabbies says:

    Here’s and easy fix then.  Glass the bastard in, blow the whistle every 45 seconds to allow line changes and have at it…..

  3. Lafrich says:

    I think the issue is with the ice. It is too damn cold and slippery. It makes the players go too fast. Is there nothing we can do about this?

  4. Danno says:

     

     

    You have to understand it’s not Chara’s fault – it’s the rink that almost killed Pacioretti.

    With that kind of two-bit lawyer’s defence you could have every murderer just blame the gun for the unfortunate deaths of the victims.

    Donald Fehr is a fink and a disgrace.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  5. Laramy87 says:

    So listening to the Bill Watters show on the way home tonight, i have a new hatred for Bill Watters and a new found respect for Pierre MaGuire.

    First off Watters goes on today to say the play didn’t even warrant a penalty let along a suspension. Then proceeds to say the ejection was needed. WTF? That makes no sense. You cant not call a penalty and then kick a guy out of the game for it. What a moron. He was like getting mad at everything surrounding the incident almost saying enough is enough. Well F**K you Watters, if this were a leaf with a broken neck and severe concussion, you would be calling for the leagues head if there were no suspension.

    Secondly, Pierre MAguire was a guest and disagree with the leagues lack of suspension (to the shock of Hayes and Watters) and also said there was intent and Chara should have been gone. Needless to say i was a bit shocked as well, but he went into details and like i said new found respect.

    Good news about MaxPac, hopefully he recovers quick, but dont come back until you are 110%.

    GO HABS

  6. Danno says:

    Bettman you continue to amaze us. There can be no bigger anus on the face of the planet.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  7. jew4jah says:

    i was thinking it was also too hard.  they should warm it up a bit to soften it.

  8. observer says:

    HE IS A CLASSLESS MOUTHY NEW YORKIE BIGMOUTH MONEY GRABBER

  9. SeriousFan09 says:

    The problem is it’s violence of one union member on another and Zdeno Chara has influence and seniority. So he’s in the more powerful position. Seniority wins in the union, nothing else matters.

    NHLPA is not helping the players.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  10. drivefor25 says:

    Can”t really agree with that headline about the NHLPA weighing in on the Chara incident. Tippy-toeing in maybe, God forbid they should take an actual stand on player safety!

    Fan since ’71

  11. Miltie01 says:

    How many unions have you been apart of ?

  12. pmaraw says:

    guess we really can start calling him ‘the wolverine’

  13. Danno says:

    Good news. Patches released from hospital and on his way home!

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Pacioretty+released+from+hospital+report/4417985/story.html

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  14. novahab says:

    First I want to apologize to Mr. Molson and I do that by opening up one. I said some nasty things sir but you stood up and proved me wrong. Its now the NHL world against the Canadiens and we all know now how Mario felt a few weeks ago. Mario warn us about this crap and we all took shots at him. Bettman is completely out of control he now craping on Air Canada . On Bob’s show today that idoit Cox said Air Canada sign won’t come down from the ACC I hope he wrong. Years ago the Canadiens save the NHL from its self beatting the Bullies from Philly and putting grace back into the game. Its time the Canadiens do it again, Bettman whats the WWF and that its in a nut shelll.

  15. Timo says:

    NHLPA exists for one reason only – to help players to get bigger salaries so that the union can get a bigger slice of a pie. Everything else is secondary.

  16. Nahlsy says:

    Fuel on the fire:

    Scott Burnside (who pretends to be a hockey expert) had the following to say on EPSN

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/5457/faceoff-criminal-charges-for-zdeno-chara-silence-over-pavel-kubina-suspension

    Burnside: I understand the passion for the game in Montreal and across the province and the country. And I understand that fan loyalty often leads to blindness when it comes to making rational judgment. But what galls me is that politicians and civil servants and even airline officials want to horn in on the reflected limelight from what was a terrible incident. This has no business in a criminal court. And for a company like Air Canada, which has reportedly threatened its sponsorship over the NHL’s ruling, those involved should be ashamed of themselves. ********In many ways, it merely reinforces the notion that Canada is a small, backwards little country with an unnatural affection for a game.***********

    Burnside: Well my friend, it’s clear the Zdeno Chara/Max Pacioretty situation isn’t going to go away easily. With the NHL ruling that Chara would not be fined or suspended, many, especially north of the border, are enraged that Chara has escaped unscathed. In a typically Canadian reaction, or certainly typically Quebec reaction, Montreal police are looking into the hit that left Pacioretty with a severe concussion and cracked vertebrae. This comes from senior civil servants who demanded the issue be examined with an eye to possible criminal charges being filed. Forgive me, but what a joke. No unsolved murders, assaults or break-ins in Montreal that they can spend time and taxpayer dollars to investigate whether a hockey player has run afoul for an on-ice play?

    Feel free to let ESPN know what you think of their employing this piece of spit

  17. hablifting says:

    Clearly the arena and it’s configuration must have some part of the blame in this situation despite the all the howling.

    My take. 

    Chara interferes (aka breaks of the rules) and Pax is hurt.  This is EASY.  5-10 games.

    I absolutely do not believe that Chara was “steering” his head into that stanchion, that theory is not only unprovable, it is down right stupid.

    The arena NEEDS to place some sort of rounded or beveled glass at that section that would act to deflect an incomming player rather then stop them like a clothesline.  The fact that this has been left so long and nobody has ever been badly hurt is more luck then anything.

    Finally if Chara supposedly knew that the stanchion was comming, then so did Max Pac.  He could have bailed.  I believe he put his safety into the hands of another (Chara) and that was a mistake.  You should always do your best to protect yourself.  After all.  It’s not Chara that may have his career ended here.

    Hopefully Max is back 100%.  Hopefully Chara saves a family from a burning house one day.  Finally, hopefully we can eventually get back to talking about whats good in hockey.

  18. observer says:

    good photo of the beady eyed money grabber bernie madoff i mean gary bettman on  tsn site right now. — c/p —-

    As for Air Canada threatening to pull its sponsorship over such injuries, Bettman says the league can find other carriers if the airline doesn’t want its business.

    “Air Canada is a great brand, as is the National Hockey League, and if they decide they need to do other things with their sponsorship dollars that’s their prerogative, just like it’s the prerogative of our clubs that fly on Air Canada to make other arrangements if they don’t think Air Canada is giving them the appropriate level of service.”——————— like canada needs him! chelios was right about HIM!

  19. Mattyleg says:

    Those stanchions should be ANGLED.

    If you hit something that is on an angle, even a slight one, it distributes the force over a larger area and makes the impact less severe. I don’t know why they haven’t thought of that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  20. Nahlsy says:

    I call dibs on the naming rights, I said it earlier today :)

    I know I like it more than Patches, and the link to playing for Michigan doesn’t hurt either.

  21. christophor says:

    One or the other, it can’t be both poor design and foul play. 

    Wow.

  22. Danno says:

    Great avatar Props!

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  23. gmd says:

    Ridiculous.  This is their stand?  So basically the players aren’t responsible for their actions.  Betteman is a joke and so is the NHLPA.

  24. observer says:

    NEVER HAPPENED WHEN BENCHS ON OPPOSITE SIDES. No turnbuckles in arenas except for pro wrestling.

  25. Propwash says:

    Lip service.

    That is all.

  26. observer says:

    WAKEY WAKEY! The arenas are configered that way with these turnbuckles because bettman made them put both benchs on the same side of the rink like basketball does. BENCHES WERE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE RINK EVERYWHERE IN THE LEAGUE. THIS IS ANOTHER OF THAT DWARF THAT SHYSTERS STUPID MOVES IN CHANGING A GREAT GAME.

  27. Miltie01 says:

    Give this guy a cookie…..he has it right !!!

     

  28. Nahlsy says:

    I’m just playing. I did mention it earlier of course, but I was basically just agreeing with you. The kid seems to heal like Wolverine and since he played for Michigan it’s a natural fit.

    Let’s hope the Wolverine comes back at 100% and has a long and healthy career

  29. Propwash says:

    Thanks Danno! My friend emailed me the pic, I hadta use it.

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    But what galls me is that politicians and civil servants and even airline officials want to horn in on the reflected limelight from what was a terrible incident.

    No – they are not trying to “horn in on  the reflected limelight”. They are outraged and disgusted. This is how civil society works. When injustice is seen people speak up.

    Just like in the US, where many Americans have voiced their outrage over the torture and indefnite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Oh … never mind.

     

     

  31. dean roberts says:

    whats the reward? bus fare will be sufficient

  32. pmaraw says:

    oh good, chara is happy about the decision.

  33. CBrady12 says:

    yeah I agree… I was actually thinking about it last night. First  you take the glass in between the benches out. Not all rinks have them and I don’t really know what purpose it serves. Then the two end of the bench, you angle the glass out so that you dont have to run into a steel post.

  34. thebonscott says:

    It seems like the way to get away with an illegal dirty hit is to look nonchalant about it, hit the player while looking away, as if it was an accident. Avoid gnashing your teeth and looking angry, if you notice steckel’s hit on crosby it was a sort of oops sorry my elbow got in the way as he passed by me. And on the photo with chara and maxpac, you can see that chara is looking straight ahead, mainly because well he doesn’t want to see the invitable decapatation. So the same logic can be applied where u could push someone in front of a car, just look away when u do it and then play innocent, and see if the courts find u guilty or not.

  35. Nahlsy says:

    Or steroids in baseball or Bertuzzi’s attack on Moore in Colorado, or….

  36. LA Loyalist says:

    Sure it can. Foul play. And the design can be improved for the future. Just like cars are improved continuously.

    I have a 1980 911, and a 2001 911. The ’01 is a thousand times safer than the 1980. Same principal.

    Have the stanchion break if it is hit by a force over “X”. Angle it, as guys have suggested. Both. Continuous improvement.

  37. hablifting says:

    Rofl.

    So ridiculous.  So these are all secret Ninja attacks?  Subterfuge and smoke bombs.  Really?

    That photo is garbage.  All it does is tell 1/100000 of the story.  Completely taken out of context of the actual hit.  I’m blown away that supposedly intelligent people are using that as some sort of proof.

    Man.  Good stuff.

  38. Laramy87 says:

    Off from the topic, but what is the site where you can watch the habs game online?

  39. The Cat says:

    That was a rather undiplomatic answer by bettman.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  40. Duracell3 says:

    Put all the padding you want on a brick wall and clothes-line yourself on it running 30mph and tell me how it feels.

  41. Mr.Hazard says:

    Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. OMG. This is despicable.

  42. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    So I suppose the next time a player pushes another player from behind into the boards, it’s the boards fault?

  43. gerrymjrb says:

    NHLPA should be protecting its members. Its a Union. Thats what unions do. 

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well they there Danno, Donald Fehr’s not used to standing up for players when it’s about covering up their steroid abuse. This is new to him! Only makes sense he’d have trouble tapping into something like a sense of decency or morals he doesn’t have.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  45. Kilgore Trout says:

    tweet from DownGoesBrown:

    Breaking- The NHLPA has released the results of its inspection of the stanchion in Montreal: “This thing is wicked dented! OK, case closed.”

    http://twitter.com/#!/DownGoesBrown/status/45974772860989440

     

  46. observer says:

    FEHR, SELIG, BETTMAN, STERN – THEIR OWN LITTLE GAME!

  47. Harry says:

     NHL Players association reaffirms its concern for safety…no press would have been better than this…rather than  inspecting the rink in Montreal, they would be better to examine the Bruins players bench in all rinks they play

  48. SeriousFan09 says:

    A basketball executive was put in in charge of the NHL. A baseball union executive is in charge of the Player’s Union. 

    I wonder if the NFL is led by a former Lacrosse commissioner and it’s union led by a former Soccer union man?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  49. Chris says:

    This is why the fan outrage over Chara’s non-suspension is perhaps a little misplaced.  The NHL and NHLPA are ALWAYS at loggerheads over any supplemental disciplinary action.

    Zdeno Chara is a player, as is Max Pacioretty.  You would think that the NHLPA would look out for the health and saftey of its membership, but it is sadly not that surprising that they won’t do that at the expense of another member of the union.

  50. tony d says:

    I can’t believe that an association that reps the players would issue such a fence-sitting statement. C’mon, will somebody grow a pair in this league?

  51. Shiloh says:

    There are many crimes which do not require intent – manslaughter and criminal negligence to name two.

  52. punkster says:

    This whole incident takes the wind out of our sails for a bit. Even attempts at humour seem empty just now. Love the reference to GG though and I’ll probably give it a good chuckle in a day or two. Ya know?

    ***Subbang!!!***

  53. boris420 says:

    Read up on Jonathan Roy and Patrice Cormier, they were both guilty of violent hockey acts in Quebec. Maybe it will give you a better idea. It’s almost the same as in the USA though they won’t have a criminal record.

  54. 1010 says:

    I’m probably late to the dance here but did anybody read Joe Thortons’ comments on how the league favors Boston. Unbelievable that he said that.

     

    GO HABS…

  55. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I see where you are coming from as far as the NHLPA being unbiased but what this statement also implies is that players are not at fault for injuries, only design flaws. That is ludicrous. You can be unbiased and acknowledge that there are bad consequences for reckless decisions made by the players themselves, intentional or not. Also, hey, you could suggest some rule changes as far as how long you have to hit a player after he no longer has the puck. And no, this was no simply interference.

  56. Julie H says:

    Just signed your petition. Great idea!

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  57. LA Loyalist says:

    You obviously missed an entire, significant thread the other day on this exact matter:  Slovak goat violation and its place in modern society.

    You should probably check in here at HIO more regularly. Thank you.

  58. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Ok, I see there is debate as to whether Chara should or can be charged criminally. Most of it is based on whether intent can be proven or not.

    As far as I know, in most places intent to injure is irrelevant for many if not most criminal charges. From the New York State penal code:

    § 120.20 Reckless endangerment in the second degree.

    A person is guilty of reckless endangerment in the second degree when he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. Reckless endangerment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

    I am not a Québec resident or a Canadian citizen but I have trouble believing that Canadian law is softer on this matter than U.S. law. Anyone have any source of info regarding reckless endangerment or its equivalent int he province of Québec ?

     

  59. Habs Proud says:

    You’re welcome, glad you got a bit of enjoyment from them

  60. kazmojo says:

    Fantastic idea. Just signed. I also sent a note to Air Canada at http://help-aircanada.com/aircanada-help/createIssue.do?lang=ENU to encourage them to follow through on their threat.

  61. Muckbringer says:

    my great uncle had an idea and at first i thought we may have to check him in but i soon understood:  why not have the puck on the ice to start;  how you start the draw is open for debate

  62. Muckbringer says:

    anyone else remember how mad we were when campell caved in wiz’s face in and nothing was said about a foreign object?

  63. Shiloh says:

    Completely appropriate response from the NHLPA. Chara and Pacioretty are both dues-paying members and, as such, the Players’ Association cannot represent one or the other in this matter. One of the fastest rising legal processes in the past decade has been civil action for “failure to represent”. Chara has as much right to that representation as any other player.

    This is not to say that the union does not have an opinion in this matter – just that they absolutely must not be seen as an advocate for either member of the NHLPA versus the other. 

     

  64. portle44 says:

    Translated into people talk: We at the NHLPA think that more  rink padding should be available so that the Leaguer’s goons can continue to hack and board and no one will notice quite as much

  65. Dangal25 says:

    I have decided to create a petition as a result of the non suspension on Chara.

    Please sign it and pass it on if you agree that actions need to be taken!!

     

    http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/removebettman

  66. Habs Proud says:

    I’m, for the most part a pretty reserved but in watching Gary Bettman’s statement I shake my head in disgust, what a piss poor excuse of a commissioner is that bag of puke. Heres hoping he needs an Air Canada flight some cold night in Winnipeg after he finally admits Phoenix doesn’t work.

    I assume I missed the part where he addressed Max Pacioretty directly and offered his best wishes for a full and speedy recovery……right!

    Kabina get 3 for an elbow to the head of Bolland last night, Komisarek gets 5 and a game a few minutes ago for a hit from behind on Carcillo, suspension to follow………right, what the hell am I not getting here, did Chara catch someone in the NHL brass riding a goat or something.

  67. observer says:

    He did not particularly deserve the distinction, but last week Dino Ciccarelli became the first NHL player to go to jail for an on-ice assault. Dozens of NHLers, past and present, have committed barbarities as grave or graver than the one for which Ciccarelli was imprisoned last week. But none of them ever “did time.”

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1067721/index.htm#ixzz1GGArAOOi

  68. Bill J says:

    LMFAO!

    These last two posts of banter.  Classic – thanks guys for a good chuckle… GO HABS GO! ;)

  69. Shiloh says:

    I am certainly not misunderstanding – and at this time there is no grievance. If there was to be a grievance filed, it could never be between two players, only between the NHLPA, on behalf of a player or players, and the league. I handled grievances for about 15 years, both as Grievance Officer and President of a union.

    The issue is this: No matter how much it sucks, Chara is entitled to the best representation possible by his paid advocates – the NHLPA. They would have to do the same if a player was caught with child pornography – as awful as that would be. Maybe all they could do is get the player a few weeks pay and benefits while a case is developed by the authorities, but they are bound to represent their member and their member is entitled to their advocacy.

    They advocate for Patches as well – so they really can’t weigh in on the matter.

     

  70. 1010 says:

    Actually, I found it again by going to globe and mail sports section. Scroll down and fight Joe Thorton weighs in on the hit.

     

    GO HABS…

    .

  71. nickster13 says:

    thanks. I respect the guy a little more cuz he has an actual opinion, and its controversial

  72. Habs4Lyfe says:

    Habs 4 Lyfe

     

    GeorgesLaraque After hearing from Max Pacioretty that Chara was holding him down and Max couldn’t get out of the way, it changes everything, bad ruling!

     

    MaxPac told BGL that Chara was holding him down…way to get both sides of the story Mike Murphy…

     

  73. Muckbringer says:

    this whole thing is really casting a light on the nhls dankest regions

  74. LA Loyalist says:

    Eller played a great game the other night, it kind of got lost in all the drama. He showed some real hands and hockey sense, I think it’s the first time I’ve praised him but he deserves it.

  75. Muckbringer says:

    im not trying to be petty but why was gomez kicked out of the faceoff? just asking cause i really dont understand faceoff rules too well, and i dont speak french

  76. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Bugs i believe you are at least somewhat intelligent. Apparently your English reading skills aren’t so sharp, however. That or you are just addicted to delivering stinging quips whether they are appropriate or not.

    Clearly I asked at the end of the post what the laws in Quebec were, and i posted the NYS law as an example of how the law is written in other places. That was the point – get it?

  77. Pieboy says:

    I thought the raison d’etre of the NHLPA was to advocate for its membership. Unfotunately, the non-response of the NHLPA would indicate that like the league, money is its sole priority. Its a strange strange world when its left up to corporate sponsors and fans to advocate for players’ safety.

  78. Muckbringer says:

    good to see the union boys getting to the heart of the problem as usual.  

    grabo just scored his best goal yet

    pici!!!!

  79. kordic says:

    How sad!!! This kid may never play hockey again and his union is blaming the rink!!!

    Remember the word Accountability? ya it doesn’t exist. Scratch it from the dictionary.

     

    DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

     

     

     

    “The ghosts are gone. The Canadiens have two choices, try and win the cup or be French Canadian” – Ken Dryden

  80. Muckbringer says:

    we should be winning for him

  81. fbkj says:

    oh dear god i love hating thornton now you gotta take that away from me?

  82. LA Loyalist says:

    I just realized that Komisarek is not going to get anything in terms of a suspension, he has a free pass. How could Campbell even give him one game after giving Chara nothing?

    Which further illustrates the problem and why we have to keep screaming and pressuring sponsors.

    Until there is clear, consistent enforcement and credible punishment of head shots, they will continue, and the goons will feel they have carte blanche to go after the other teams skill players.

    It will be like the Phlyers in the 70’s. And we know how that was solved. Scotty Bowman and a Habs team with some stones.

     

  83. LA Loyalist says:

    Merde – just kidding.

    Basically you just have to put your stick on the ice and not over-anticipate the drop.

    In a critical situation, a smart coach will put out 2 good face-off guys in case one gets tossed.

    that’s all.

    As for Gomez getting tossed, maybe the ref is a habs fan and has seen him play :)

  84. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m reposting Timo’s post (Robinson vs Milbury) — because it cheered me up immensely. As much as i hate Mike Milbury he didn’t turtle, I’ll give him that.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJyVfiDKQc

  85. JohnBellyful says:

    The headline got me thinking: You can actually weigh a feather?
    Who knew appropriate padding is the answer. Don’t laugh, the association’s got it right. If the players wore a foam-filled helmet like the one the Great Gazoo did on The Flintstones, we wouldn’t be having these fruitless debates over concussions and their causes. The NHLPA: a forward-thinking organization.

  86. 1010 says:

    Sometimes it’s surprising what these guys see and hear. Thorton bringing up the Lucic hit on Lapiere, of all people, shocked the hell out of me. Maybe we aren’t the only ones out there that have figured out that something is amiss.

    GO HABS…

  87. LA Loyalist says:

    Sorry, I miss spoke using the term grievance, I didn’t mean it as a term of art. The conflict is between the players and the NHL.

    All players. This will happen again, inevitably, because of inconsistent application of rules by the NHL. The NHLPA should be arguing on behalf of both players, and all players, that the NHL should have clear, well communicated rules, and when they are broken enforce them fairly and objectively.

    That’s what the NHLPA should be doing, though I recognize a certain irony in it.

    The Canadiens position, and Pax’s, would be that the rules are not enforced.

    Boston’s, and Chara’s position would be that the rules are not clear and consistently enforced, so how can they be complied with.

    What if the linesmen only called every 3rd offside? Or made up the time for penalties – hey, #33, you get 45 seconds, you, dopey #44 — you get 90 seconds…

    Is that clearer?

  88. JohnBellyful says:

    Humour, whatever the stripe, can serve as an antidote to stressful times. Soldiers in trenches, eulogies, police on the street, they all can find comic elements in otherwise grim situations. Helps keep us sane. I’ve commented in the wake of Pacioretty’s injury in a solemn manner, but this mealy-mouthed statement by the players’ association invites ridicule. Even the Great Gazoo would sneer at its absurdity :)

  89. Muckbringer says:

    comon lads pick it up!!!  remember, this one is for Maxfactor!!!!

  90. 1010 says:

    Interesting that Pronger says  was a serious discussion in their D room regarding this with players taking different sides. He says he tried to stay out of it.

     GO HABS…

  91. BKAK72 says:

    “Actions speak louder than words”

    What did the NHL or NHLPA learn from the death of Bill Masterton?  I would submit not enough (then) and today.

    Enough said.

     

    – I will not apologize for being a delirious HABS fan! –

  92. Jonson says:

    forget about Halak.

    Eller is returning to St Louis i sure he is gonna wanna prove something to tonight. I expect he will score atleats one goal tonight.

  93. Muckbringer says:

    ah well….bugger it. 

    ive tried but does anyone know where we could find our stats v every team this year.  (like if every team were a series)  just interested to see that stat….

     

     

     

  94. Jonson says:

    forget about Halak.

    Eller is returning to St Louis i sure he is gonna wanna prove something to tonight. I expect he will score atleats one goal tonight.

  95. LA Loyalist says:

    The issue, as I posted below, is players against the NHL with respect to its rules and their enforcement.

    Patches and the rest of us can argue that the NHL does not enforce the rules. Chara can argue that the rules are not clear and consistently enforced, therefore how can he be expected to comply?

    Both are sound legal arguments. Morally of course, Chara is totally wrong.

    The NHLPA is entirely dickless if they frame it as a dispute between 2 players.

  96. Ton says:

    woh interesting, getting the feeling that players are getting concerned about their safety. I think the poor kid lying their on the ice opened eyes up………..what if it was me?? Now this on boston, man is this story opening up fast!!

     

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/joe-thornton-feels-nhl-rules-on-bruins-side/article1937767/

  97. 1010 says:

    It was special to the globe and mail. Just try Joe Thorton on the Max-Pac hit on google.

  98. Habs Proud says:

    Ahh yes, the great goat violation, sorry I missed that thread, I’ll try to pay closer attention in the future.

  99. Muckbringer says:

    that would help moving forward.  also; if the nhl wasnt run as a dictatorship, but one of a league of democracy.  what if there was no commissioner and the owners, fans and team members voted on everything?  sorry dude, did i just caysh your haule?

  100. Shiloh says:

    Since they can’t comment about the hit, the only thing they really could talk about is safety conditions in the workplace. They were also under pressure to make some kind of statement.

  101. Bugs says:

    They’re gonna charge Chara according to the NY penal code?

  102. otter649 says:

    NHLPA is an association not a union…….

  103. LA Loyalist says:

    You are misunderstanding the grievance. The point is not Chara vs Patches (though I suppose that could happen in civil court, as it as with Bertuzzi and Moore), it is to do with the failure of the NHL to protect its main assets – players – through appropriate rules and consistent communication, application and enforcement  thereof.

    Theoretically, had Chara rec’d a massive suspension, he could have appealed on the basis of unclear and inconsistent rules about hitting. 100% he deserved the suspension, but would he have a legal argument? Certainly.

    This is where the NHLPA is hiding and dickless, by framing the conflict as between two players, it can sit there and do nothing.

    The dispute is between ALL players and the NHL. The NHLPA should be ashamed, the players deserve better.

    Don’t be fooled.

  104. observer says:

    they can cause him trouble and cost him money! plus if they hang a criminal record on him it could affect him crossing borders.

  105. boris420 says:

    Correction. That wasn’t what the charges were, I was just stating what they did to end up pleading in court.

  106. Bugs says:

    Oh, I got it, mate. MY point was that displaying the NY penal code as a guideline for what the Montreal police could POSSIBLY accuse Chara for is as relevant as posting their rules of the road as a guideline for what WE should get tickets for.

    I agree though that sometimes, I may be too subtle for my own good.

  107. Bill says:

    Since the NHLPA obviously cannot take sides between Pacioretty and Chara, a better course of action here would have been to say NOTHING. This statement just makes me laugh, I mean genuinely, not sarcastically. The PADDING?? Bahahaha!

    Actually, I’m wondering why they CAN’T take sides? In my union, I have a code of condutc, and if I break it, my union could have a hearing and could decide to strip my accreditation, effectively preventing me from doing my job. This goes for teachers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, any professional you want to name. Why not NHL players??

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  108. observer says:

    i still remember komisarek as a hab having his face grabbed from behind by that piece of sheit on the bruins lucic

  109. HardHabits says:

    Now this: I’m already tired of the Komisarek hit on Carcillo.

  110. observer says:

    by the early 1960s all 6 NHL teams sold out every game. chicago used to post 16,666 every single game attendence due to fire regulations but media always reported they had 20,000 at each game. habs averaged well over 16,000 per game at the forum. bettman recently was on tv praising how good the NHL was doing. checkout the link on attendence to date. 11 teams are averaging less than 16,100 per game 50 years after the first numbers i wrote.all 11 of those teams in the USA. To me those are minor league crowds in 2011 yet bettman refuses to admit he is wrong and refuses to allow any of those teams to move to canada. since after 1993 his first year no canadian team has won a cup. and allowing chara to still play for a habs rival as they lose their best big forward helps keep the no canadian cup winning streak going. you will also soon notice how refs hurt vancouver in the playoffs. this man is organized crime’s man. he wants gambling, he let ex-bookmaker tocchet coach, he let compulsive gambler van hellemond be head of refs, he wants a team in vegas, gave samuels in anaheim a team, del baggio in nashville, the islanders PREVIOUS OWNERS HE APROVED, ETC. YET CANADIAN MEDIA SAYS NOTHING.   ————–  http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

  111. novahab says:

    Bettman has now shown he not much better than a Mafia kingpin and it is time for the FBI and the RCMP to investigate his dealings. Its time for Bettman to be pulled in and go to jail.

  112. Harry says:

    Wow! I guess Murphy will reconsider his decision seeing that Chara was in fact suspended in his NHL career

  113. axman88 says:

    “In reviewing this play, I also took into consideration that Chara has not been involved in a supplemental discipline incident during his 13-year NHL career.” NHL vice-president of hockey operations Mike Murphy

    I don’t understand this article then….
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2246325

  114. Mullie01 says:

    So…that makes what happend ok?

  115. jbroderi says:

    Funny,  hasn’t the Bell, or Molson Centre ebben around since ’96??  funny how this doesn’t happen every game, the way some idiots are making out.  The reason these hits happen so infrequently is because PLAYERS KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THE ICE!!!  Players will let up around this area.  Let’s blame the rink, because Chara and his pritine reputation is beyond reproach!  

     

    I am very very pissed and want to hit someone (bettman, Chara, Fehr, Campbell, Murphy, Milbury, any person from Boston, Stephen harper, Tom Cruise)  anyone of these assholes will do!

     

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  116. A. Berke says:

    Why only someone?

    Why not try hitting all of them? heaven knows how much they deserve that and then some.

    Ali B.

  117. RGM says:

    My artistic interpretation of the NHL’s response: http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/RGM81/SweepUnderCarpet.jpg

    Go Habs Go!

  118. OneTimer says:

    “…a small, backwards little country…”

    That’s not xenophobic at all!

  119. SeriousFan09 says:

    He wants to call Canada a backwards nation? Right.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  120. ManApart says:

    Man, Burnside was pissed in that article. He really doesn’t like the uproar over this incident.

  121. HabFanSince72 says:

    Scott Burnside:

    In many ways, it merely reinforces the notion that Canada is a small, backwards little country with an unnatural affection for a game

    Now he’s just kissing up to Bettman.

     

  122. Psycho29 says:

    It was the boards fault.

  123. Storm Man says:

    So how many games does Komi get for that push?

  124. Harry says:

    At least zero games.

  125. 1010 says:

    I would hope that he gets nothing because it’s just a hockey play. Right?

     

    GO HABS…

  126. Danno says:

    Did you know Mike Murphy, Donald Fehr, Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell all have this in common.

    They all graduated with flying colours…

    http://dansideas.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/stupidity.jpg

     

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  127. Ian Cobb says:

    The players association executives are in Bettman’s pocket, and besides the have all been concussed 10 times each to qualify.

  128. habs-hampton says:

    I really wonder why during the vacations in the south a few times a year, the GM’s can’t just say “here are the specs for glass, stantions, boards, etc. Supposedly each rink has different specs. The ice surface has to be 200′ by 85′. What about the rest of the standards? This isn’t baseball.

    Getting rid off the glass section in the Bell Centre is fine, but you still have the other ends of the players benches.

    They can take the time to build a rink in a football or basball field for 1 game, but can’t get together on standards?

    This league looks like its run by morons more and more each day.

  129. Ian Cobb says:

    Air Canada Center will not be used for this kind of condoned hockey violence Mr G. Bettman.

  130. blu3chip says:

    You can tell Air Canada doesn’t have that much influence in the league when Buttman openly gave AC a huge middle finger in the face without hesitation.

  131. PeterD says:

    WOW!  Now Don Fehr has joined the ranks of Bettman, Campbell, Cherry and others that seem to think what Chara did was a “hockey play” and therefore excusable…”opps sorry the guy got hurt but I was just finishing my check”.

    Absolute crap and the stanchion and padding in not the issue either …the issue is very simple, Chara directed Patches head and neck into the stanchion with his elbow and wrist at his head level…that is targeting the head, that is in that position with the stanchion coming fast is with intent to decapitate and injure the player.

    The Players association needs to get their head out of Bettman’s butt and start repesenting the safety of their players.

    I for one am very pleased that the Montreal Police are conducting an investigation with possible criminal charges…I believe the precidents have been established in the Cormier, Roy and Bertuzzi cases to criminally charge Chara with assualt with intent to injure…nothing else would be appropriate at this time.

    Get well soon Max…we love oyu man and continue to pray for your fast and full recovery.

  132. ManApart says:

    Wow, how do you know that Patches was lying when he said he didn’t want the police involved? Your sources are second to none my man.

  133. D Alcorn says:

    As posters here may already know, Buttman is quoted today as having observed that the Pacioretty injury is ‘part of the game’.  And he would know this because … OK, never mind.  I also read a post elsewhere today suggesting that Mike Murphy and Buttman are cousins (seriously) … OK, forget that one as well.

    So, one of the friends I mentioned earlier who coaches minor hockey and is a Bruins fan got back to me saying that he ‘can’t defend’ this one, which means we’ll continue to talk.  And the significance of this babble ?

    It is only that, 48 hours post-incident, I am as sickened as when it occurred.  And, with today’s quotes, convinced more than ever that Buttman should just go, collect his package on the way out, and never ever come back.  Maybe it’s just me, but his vision of how to sell the game in hockey-crazed Phoenix just doesn’t seem to work with real fans.

    Enough of you sir.  For the good of the game, leave now.  Take your Buttmen with you and, with due respect, never darken our arenas again.

    ALWAYS Habs – D Mex

  134. ManApart says:

    The thing people don’t get is there is absolutely no case for the police to be involved. Look at that piece on TSN involving players as well as their reporting staff. Almost to a man they have said it was unfortuneate and there was no proof of intent, unless you’re a mind reader. A couple game suspension was what was deserved and no more. Montreal has really got to get a grip on this. We’re starting to look like lunatics to the rest of the league.

  135. Danno says:

    The NHL has reconsidered its decision on the Chara/Pacioretty incident.

    Gary Bettman anounced…

    “Following a careful review of the facts, the NHL has decided to impose a five-game suspension to the glass partition.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  136. ManApart says:

    It’s funny, this is the prevelent feeling among rational thinking people, most journalists and players have been along this line, and when some Habs fans see it, they are all shocked and confused. Like how come they don’t want Chara thrown out of the league and for the armed forces to come in and take bettman out of office. Hilarious.

  137. HardHabits says:

    I think he means this recipe –> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBO1JVqB9YI

  138. WestHab says:

    the NHLPA is more concered about a guy losing 2 games pay than losing 1 head.

  139. Harry says:

    Chara can give him a real lift

  140. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I think he meant what the game has become. That is theirs.

  141. observer says:

    Wiki———-John A. Ziegler, Jr (born February 9, 1934 in Grosse Pointe, Michigan) was the fourth president of the NHL.

    In 1977, Ziegler became the fourth president of the NHL, succeeding Clarence Campbell. Before becoming league President, Ziegler was involved in the ownership of the Detroit Red Wings and chairman of the NHL Board of Governors.

    Ziegler received the Lester Patrick Trophy in 1984 and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1987. He was forced out of office in 1992 by the settlement which resolved the ten-day player strike.

  142. habs365 says:

    By the way I have to take this all back after re-thinking I don’t think his head would be high enough to reach the stanchion……

  143. observer says:

    bettman couldnt care less if some goy got paralyzed.

  144. Keith says:

    Good post Ali B. and I totally agree. I’ve been pissed off over this for the last two days and moreso today! I cannot believe some of the comments from the so-called experts “in the game” so to speak.Did you hear that douchebag Healy? He practically blamed Pacioretty fo it! This whole incident has polarized the hockey community and is not going to go away any time soon. It kind of reminds me of the 1970’s and the skill vs goon era between the Habs and the Flyers except now it’s between the speed and skill of the game vs the violence and obstruction of the goon type teams. I fear that the goons are running the NHL and is not interested in supporting the stars in the game but to promote only the violent parts of hockey. It has me very disillusioned about the game. Cheers!

  145. observer says:

    wakey wakey! the 5 foot money grabber bettman calls ALL THE SHOTS by his underlings

  146. Harry says:

    Your cheap….how about 2.5 billion to the NHL…the NHL decision calling this an unfortunate accident for Bettman was all about dollars. Bettman seems only for money. Reduce risks to  NHL or team of liability if you have “accidents” rather than intentional actions, which open possibilities of lawsuits or insurance refusals….

  147. observer says:

    you mean his cheese-cutters

  148. fbkj says:

    some goy? best typo ever

    shalom

  149. Danno says:

    That’s because Bettman’s head is up his @ss

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  150. boris420 says:

    You are right my friend, but if things start collapsing from every angle Bettman will fall and at the speed things are escalating it’s becoming a posibility. Ive never seen someone with a harder head than Bettman though so I could easily be wrong.

  151. observer says:

    what it shows is the quebec government, the canadian govt, the air canada and other major companies AND the fans disdain for bettman who will soon be dead man walking in his job. though he will leave with the millions that he stole for himself!

  152. habs365 says:

    I would like for mr.bettman to put his skates on him and I go to the Bell Center I want him to chase the puck down like max-pac was and I’ll check him in the same area and the same dirty work as chara delivered, if they don’t take him out on a stretcher concussed with a neck problem, I’ll give every fan at the bell center $25.00 when he wakes up he may change his decision…by the way I’m 6′-2″ 220 lbs and and plays hockey what do you think…….

  153. WestHab says:

    It’s time to get over this, reports that the police are involved just diminishes support for the cause and makes Chara look like some kind of hero. Now that the NHLPA blames the arena I guess the players are ok with this type of play, it’s their heads out there not mine. Why should I care.

  154. boris420 says:
    BIG NEWS! I found out through a tip and I was able to get Mike Murphy’s (NHL VP of Hockey Operations) CELL NUMBER: (416) 697-2125. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!!HABS fans and true hockey fans, let him know how you feel about his decision on Chara! Spread this fast before he discontinues his number!
  155. fbkj says:

    OMG HAHAHA (if thats true, i aint callin)

  156. ManApart says:

    Thanks for the acknowledgement, I really would like to be the guy I am, if you would talk to me in person from now on,  and am trying to turn over a new leaf in regards to my method of discussion on these forums. I have a lot of respect for a guy like Chris (Naslund in Swede jersey) and his overall objectivity, respect, and thoughtfulness in his posts and think it is a much better approach to discussions than any other.

  157. boris420 says:

    Well it is true, it’s his voice mail though.

  158. CharlottetownHabbies says:

    Yup.  Just a circus show now, like most other aspects of the NHL.

  159. D Alcorn says:

    Wrong.  

    We provide the fanbase, buy the souvenirs, and bring the kids out for the autographs.

    Our game.  Always was, always will be.

    ALWAYS Habs – D Mex

  160. fbkj says:

    this is where i agree with you %100

    i was happy about a police investigation, not because i want chara to go to jail, but because the nhl messed up and it was a message that the book on this incident isnt closed

  161. Mothstoflame says:

    Does anybody remember when Batmen was on the Hour with George?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VasjxPnh5J0&feature=fvst

    I wont ever forget when he asks how he reacts to the fans hating him and how he felt about his kids being subjected to it.  The answer is laughing like the rats they are.  They really dont care about what we think.  We can cry all we want,  It’s not going to change.  He is the leprechaun at the end of his own rainbow

    Get well Max

  162. blu3chip says:

    Did anyone watch Lupul talking about the hit on TSN?

    I mean… man… what a douchebag!

    He is probably still sour about getting pwn by awesome PK!

  163. Bugs says:

    You ever had floured brazilnuts? Golden’em up in a pan on med heat? Delicious.

    Don’t knock’em.

  164. HabFanSince72 says:

     For the good of the game, leave now.

    It’s their game, not ours.

     

  165. Bugs says:

    Brilliant!

    You had me going til the penultimate word.

  166. novahab says:

    Bettman didn’t care about Savard , Max and he didn’t care about Crosby. Bettman thinks the hold grail is goon hockey he is bring back Slap shoot He believe he sitting on a gold mine in US TV money if he delivers the WWF to them. I think the RCMP should contact the FBI and storm the NHL offices. One has to wonder with all the shady deals with Quebec and Winnipeg losing those team if he was getting ilegal kick backs. I say Bettman is dirty and if investigated would spend the rest of his life behind bars.

  167. SLYDER says:

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Habs+players+foul+over+leniency/4414617/story.html

     

    apparently “hablifting” doesnt seem to think that the hand that is pushing someone’s head into the stanchion in this photo is “proof” that the hand in this photo is in fact pushing somone’s head into the stanchion in this photo

     

    something about this photo on tells 1/100000 of the story?

  168. HugeHabsFan says:

    I agree Nahlsy! Nice to hear the support.  Not surprising to hear what Pronger has to spew.  He’s a fellow POS.

    ………..

    “Thank you Cammy for making my day even more amazing!”

    I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

    Cammalleri: “I almost feel bad for a guy who plays an NHL career without experiencing what it’s like to be a Montreal Canadien”.

  169. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I give up! They’re all frakkin’ morons! Buttman just, basically, told Air Canada to go flour their nuts. Is he for real? I hope AC takes him up on it. Careful what you ask for Buttman.

    Herb’s Massage Parlor Centre Presents the Leafs vs Les Canadiens! Hoo boy!  

       

  170. Harry says:

    Sorry….Chara will need Fehr to test the padding

  171. Bill J says:

    First off…. I gota say I’m liking the sanity in your posts on the subject, I appreciate it.

    I dunno, I think no other team has made this big a deal about it…. Because they mostly have about 1/100th the total fan base Montreal has.

    We are the loudest, because we are the most.

    And frankly, it’s about time things change.

    Here’s where you & I (wow) seem to be on the same page.

    Police Involvement ? NO – BUT — The fact that they are doing it, does not hurt the cause to get things fixed.

    Government involvement ? NO – Again same benefits as above. 

    Petitions etc… ?  YES, but ONLY if the topic is about making the game safer….

    Chara will not be suspended or fined, the NHL will not overrule themselves.  So on this I think yes some fans are being a bit extreme.

    Chara will not be charged with a criminal offense, not unless they can prove he intended it.

  172. Everlasting1 says:

    How do you feel about fighting? No repercussions/fines?

     

    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  173. Harry says:

    If  this will be of any use, I think maybe Fehr will need Chara to help him in testing the appropriate padding,

  174. Mavid says:

    sorry but I had to steal those pictures of Chara…made my day..in particular the one with the dunce cap..

  175. gumper says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Dawes up at some point, but seeing as callups are limited now, till the end of the playoffs, they’ll likely try to avoid doing so right away. The way injuries have gone this season, who knows how many callups they’ll need, especially if they go deep into the playoffs. However, I, like you, am anxious to see what Dawes might contribute.

     

  176. A. Berke says:

    What an asinine statement from the moron?

    I really have the urge (wish I were there and could) to grab and hit the heads of these nhl & nhlpa a**holes to the same stanchion with a similar force.

    Their statements and spin are worse than what they have done (actually didn’t do) and an insult to the intelligence of everybody who is incensed by this and similar acts. They have become scumbags of insensitivity.

    I have yet to hear one goddamn “sorry” from any of them, starting with the biggest scumbag chara jerk.

    Sorry folks for the rant but I’m getting more p**d out to these scums by the minute with their stupid spins. Yeah let’s fine Bell Center stanchion for hurting Max for the rest of the season and we’ll call that justice served.

    Ali B.

  177. Timo says:

    Milbury being rugdolled by Robinson – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJyVfiDKQc&feature=related

    Brings smile to my face.

  178. blu3chip says:

    Six game suspension for a “sloppy second” comment.

    No suspension for pushing a kid’s head to the edge of the glass and breaking his neck.

    This league is so awesome.

  179. ManApart says:

    You sure have a lot of information that nobody else does.

  180. m ross says:

    The NHLPA should be concentrating on players respecting one another on the ice and let the GMs worry about the stanchions in every arena. What a cowardly statement by them, they are afraid of offending the offenders.

  181. Nahlsy says:

    Oh Chara has one supproter at least… Chris Pronger. You know you’re in trouble when the only player in the league that seems to support you outside of your own team is Chris (Lady Byng) Pronger

  182. habs365 says:

    getting away from the subject for a moment…I think they should have brought up Nigel Dawes for tonights game instead of making line changes , we had a good thing going, could have tried Dawes in Max-Pac place on the 2nd line, pyatt is not a scorer and I have my doubts if he’ll help the 4th line, see what happens maybe he’ll surprise us by scoring a hat trick, DD is the guy that can set him up..I like DD, he’s small, tough and a good all around player, has no fear, he’s a NHLer all the way……

  183. ManApart says:

    As long as you say so.

  184. Bill J says:

    Funny because I have not read any statement from MaxPac stating he wants Chara investigated by the Police.

    In fact I DID read a statement stating he does NOT want Chara charged by the police.

     

  185. SeriousFan09 says:

    Fehr wouldn’t know hockey if Gordie Howe was standing in front of him. Fehr is a lifetime union man which means seniority rules and Chara is the senior man so he’s not at fault.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  186. Nahlsy says:

    Even the Leafs are voicing their disgust over it. Clarke MacArthur just went up a few notches in my book

  187. AndyF says:

    Right, blame the glass.  What crap!   Chara was headhunting MaxPac for a couple of games, now.  Pacioretty got by him and he decided he knew a little trick that would put him for a while.   Chara’s a coward for not ‘fessing up.  

    AndyF

    http://andyfroncioni.com

  188. fbkj says:

    pants buzzed

    paches doesnt want a police investigation

  189. habs-hampton says:

    Maybe they should put orange safety cones on the ice by the players benches, so everyone will be aware of these areas on the ice where danger lurks.

  190. Ian Cobb says:

    Yes he does.!

  191. habsfan321 says:

     

    For discussion sake, here’s what Mike Commodore (@commie22) had to say about it on Twitter:

    First of I think a suspension is warranted. 2 or 4 games. something like that. I don’t think Chara is a dirty player, mean but not dirty. I don’t think he was trying to hurt him. But he did. I don’t think the police should be involved. it is time for bell center to change its glass. That stuff is like a brick wall. Having that glass where the hit took place is asking for an injury. It needs to be way more flexible or forgiving. The pad that is on that turnbuckle now is a joke. 1 inch of foam on a rock hard turnbuckle is useless. Or get rid of that small section of glass. For the people asking what is dif from Mtl glass to other arenas..mtl glass is seamless, makes the glass way “stiffer”. Way less forgiving. Pretty sure Mtl isnt the only arena though. I think They should get rid of all the seamless glass. You get your head or shoulders hit into.”

  192. HardHabits says:

    Check out this tweet:

    That was a win-win hit. Useless Komisarek gets tossed and may face a suspension, while scumbag Carcillo gets a taste of his own medicine.

  193. Habs64 says:

    Komisarek just destroyed Carcillo

  194. lavie says:

    We are living in a democratic society in which even the President and Prime Minister have to compromise to public and media. I just don’t know why Gary Madoff can even run the NHL like a dictator??????

  195. Nahlsy says:

    Burnside had the Leafs and Oilers rated as the 3rd and 4th best teams in the NHL in October. Should tell you his level of qualification as a ‘hockey expert’

  196. Pointystick11 says:

    Hadn’t seen that angle yet. It just makes things worse. How can the NHL have missed out on so much blatant evidence to the contrary of their decisions? Oh thats right, sheer incompetence.

  197. SPATS says:

    THIS IS A REPOST WITH A DIFFERENT ANGLE SHOWING INTENT TO INJURE

    It’s all here from a different angle. At 1:24 on this clip    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zq7b6QhVdA&feature=aso   you’ll see the hit from Carey’s pont of view. Very obvious Chara knew where they were on the ice, and who he was engaged with. Even the NESN Bruins commentators acknowledge Chara was in the wrong to finish this check. To say that their history was not a part of this is simply ridiculous. Watch and listen to the NESN guys describe Chara as he’s 3rd man in and hunting for Pacioretty in this video at 1:27     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFX3WaX0Ek  His intention was to get revenge but he’d have to wait another couple of weeks…  you can’t claim it was unfortunate. You meant to do what you did Chara.

  198. sixhabsfans says:

    So, I thought I would feel different after a couple of days.  And then Bettman responds to the criticizm.

    It’s evident that the resulting injury has no bearing on the type of punishment handed down by the league.  I think it’s safe to say that if Max had been killed, the satement made by the league would have been much the same.  I can’t help but think Gary would have said something like this:

    “Sorry Mrs. Pacioretty, but it’s part of the game. Your son knew he could die every time he laced up his skates. That’s why he voluteered to serve his team and this league. His sacrifice will go mostly unnoticed by the time the Canadiens play their next game. That’s just the way it is. It’s part of the bigger entertainment package that we are trying to sell in places like Atlanta, Phoenix and Florida. The fans there really get it, as seen in the attendance numbers. Too bad you can’t see the big picture.”

    Sincerely,

    Gary (just call me Douche) Bettman

     

  199. Harry says:

    Who did the NHL employees give the misconduct to?

  200. Psycho29 says:

    Komisarek just checked Carcillo head first into the boards…..5 minutes and a game misconduct…

    Think there’s a respect problem in the NHL??????

  201. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    THE WAY IT WAS…. what happened to our GREAT TOUGH HABS….

    this one even has the great JEAN BELIVEAU…. man we were tough back then, and had a truck load of cups..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5WKGYXuJTY&feature=related

     

    and a few more…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZNneaQZ9yw&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhqUl13ltJ4&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgAA8pydPw&feature=related

    Wednesday March, 9th, 2011 – the day NHL Hockey “officially” died

  202. ricardamundo says:

    Oh I see now. It is the rink that had the intent to injure. Hmmmm.

  203. SLYDER says:

    he was in a race with chara to the puck at the blueline – Max wins the race to the puck, chips it ahead, and begins the second part of the foot race. It is quite obvious that Max will now blow by Chara, get the puck and at the very least gain the zone and perhaps set up a scoring chance of his own or for someone else.

     

    unfortunately, Chara puts his free hand on Max after he gains position (Holding), and then – uses his that shoulder to rub him out along the bench – and finally uses that free hand to slam his head into the glass partition.

     

    …what you are suggesting is that it is partially Max’s fault for playing and competing hard (lets just say it…OUT competing and OUT playing Chara)

     

    …and that what he instead should have done…was given up his position to avoid being held and interfered with and subsequently bashed into the turnbuckle, resulting in a broken neck?

     

    I’m sorry but all of these people who preach the “protect yourself” mantra have got it wrong here – of course Max expected to be rubbed out…he expects Chara to do what he can to prevent Max from gaining possession

     

    But to suggest Max should have know that he was going to be illegally and violently smashed into the glass partition is absolutely incomprehesible and it is perverse to suggest it was Max’s fault for putting himself in a “VULNERABLE POSITION”

     

    “Go Forth into The World and Multiply” yourself

  204. frankcasting says:

    Blaming the victim, typical. Was Max dressed too seductively? Gsus, this story just gets more and more perverse.

    What the hell does Donald Fehr know about hockey anyway? 

    Puzzling to the Max.

     

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  205. hablifting says:

    Here is my take.

    You cross a street at a crosswalk but do not look both ways as you are confident that the rules will save you.

    Mr Speeder decides to make you a hood ornament going 80kmph.  You die.

    Now who’s fault is it you died?

    Guess what?  You both share some blame.  This is a fact.  Protect yourself.  Do not leave your safety in the hands of others if you can help it.

    Meanwhile, you are dead and the driver probably is not.  The question of who is right and who is wrong isn’t really that relevant for you anymore.

    I still think that Chara should have been suspended for interference causing injury. However I also believe that Max could have taken steps to avoid what happened.  He decided to challenge Chara, put his safety into the hands of another player and lost,  badly.

    There is nothing wrong with taking personal responsibility.

  206. jbroderi says:

    bang on Ian. people will think players should eb more vocal about this hit if it was so bad, and may think that because players are speaking up, it mustn’t be that bad.  The problem is, these players were ingrained with the intimidation and bullying genes so early in their hockey lives that all this seems normal.  Them fans and media get criticised because they never played and don’t know what they are talking about.  We have to change this stuff at the earliest levels, and the best way to help the kids out is for the NHL to grow a set and put in some regulations ASAP before someeon dies.  It almost happened 2 nights ago, but that was just a hockey play I guess

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  207. habs-hampton says:

    Good points, Ian. But you forgot point 4, where goalies can’t play the puck in the corners anymore, so the puck is laying there for 2 guys to skate full speed after it, and we close our eyes and hope no one gets killed.

  208. Ian Cobb says:

    I spoke with OHL coach’s this morning. They agree that the Max hit was intentional. But they also said a few more things that make so much sense. We have to act now.

    The speed of the game today with all the changes, is making for a more deadly and higher serious result because of the 1 no red line now,  2 the obstruction rule, allowing for no slowing down of the play. 3, And most importantly the body amour worn on the shoulders and elbows that are lethal.

    There is no fear for the player laying on the hit today. He will not be hurt like in the years of softer equipment worn. With the softer equipment, the hitting player had as much chance of getting hurt as the recipient of his hit.

    Can you imagine getting a Gordie Howe elbow wearing this kind of armour, the hospital beds would be full.

    It is all well and good for the NHL to try to put a better finesse hockey product on the ice, I support that, but with what consequences to brain cells and bones. They now have to find a way to put the genie back into the bottle before more of our kids are brain damaged and broken for life.

    Money and greed are dictating the rules, instead of a competent, dedicated and caring group, who will look out for the best interests of our kids and our game.

    Action must be taken right now. If not by the NHL, then by government and the courts. Every day wasted talking, will cause more of our kids bodies a life time of pain, suffering and even death.

  209. HabFanSince72 says:

    That is a design flaw.

  210. PureGuava says:

    The rinks would be a hell of a lot safer without Chara in them.

  211. LA Loyalist says:

    You missed page 2, where they suggest making the ice softer.

  212. habs365 says:

    what a joke by the NHLPA check the padding at the BellCenter…guess you can check a player into the boards what ever way you want as long as theres padding..padding is the big concern..I can see why these people are with the NHL, no Employment anywhere else for them, the NHL will take anybody…….

  213. Mullie01 says:

    In related news, the Bell Centre has been suspended 3 games for a hit to the head…

  214. Bugs says:

    Translation: rink design’s fault.

    Like it was with Bergeron for example.

  215. Chris says:

    Twas only a matter of time.  And to be honest, they’ve got a legitimate beef.

  216. Sisterray says:

    Are they blaming the arena?

  217. shiram says:

    They are basically just not taking a stand.

  218. SeriousFan09 says:

    NHLPA will likely next demand the turnbuckle is suspended for the rest of the season and the playoffs. I mean that thing was the real villain in this whole matter.

    A union that doesn’t care about it’s member’s health, classic.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  219. observer says:

    IF BETTMAN HADNT MOVED BOTH BENCHS TO THE SAME SIDE AND TOGETHER AND PUT A TURNBUCKLE IN BETWEEN THEM IT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.——BUT ———– ITS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS AND BETTMAN NEVER NOTICED?

  220. HABrGreat says:

    It proves that you are all hypocrites.  And yes, it is OK and the NHL agrees.

  221. Timo says:

    Basically saying it is anybody’s but Chara’s fault. Truly shocking (not)

  222. secretdragonfly says:

    A non-statement if I heard one.  On the bright side, I suppose it’s one step up from blaming Max.


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