Allan Walsh on Twitter: Let’s be clear about one thing.
Jaroslav Halak loved Mtl, his teammates and the fans. All he wanted
was the opportunity to play.
• Gauthier rolls the dice – Red Fisher
• Canadiens bet the house on Price – Pat Hickey
• It’s again Price’s bus to drive – Dave Stubbs
• Arpon Basu suggests everyone chill• François Gagnon analyzes the trade
• Elliotte Friedman’s take and Darren Pang’s
• Analysis from Bob Hartley, Michel Bergeron, Gaston Therrien, Yvon Pedneault and Marc Denis
• Robert L and Chris Boyle weigh in
• Justin Trudeau doesn’t like the deal
• Gauthier picked the wrong horse – Mario Leclerc
• A bold move: Ken Campbell
• Damien Cox on Pierre Gauthier’s gutsy decision
• James Mirtle on the goalie surplus
• Scott Burnside: Don’t be too quick to knock Gauthier
• The view from St. Louis
• One fan’s angry reaction
Red Fisher is 100 years old and I was shocked at his column. Sometimes I think he believes he is above us all in all aspects of things Hab. The fact that he mentions Jack Todd tells ya something.
No offence, Red, it has all passed you by, the game and the way it is run today is not the same as it was in 1955.
Wouldn’t you call the post-season we just had a “fairy-tale”?
And then the management decided that they weren’t going to believe in it and changed routes?
So where’s that leave your very minimal blanket statement?
Zebras can’t change their stripes Smiler.
So what you are saying – is we just blindly accept whatever trash they toss on the ice, while paying the second highest ticket prices in the league?
Hello maple leafs model.
And you’re certain that Gauthier didn’t try to reach Walsh or Halak?
This deal was reported prior to the names on the other side being known. I think it’s fair to say that the deal was leaked fairly early and the person or people who leaked the deal are unknown.
Demanding an equal share of playing time or to be moved is no more classy and as I said, taunting the man who negotiates on behalf of the organization isn’t either.
Don’t throw stones in glass houses.
The man you pedal to be a hero is far from it. Passing the buck has been a popular move out of that camp since October of last year.
A proven 25 year old goaltender what would not break the cap should have yielded us a top six forward. Thus, everyone is ready to riot.
Adam76, man, give it up! Either shut the hell up about this or move to the St.Louis Blues fan sites. From your incessant whining to your unflattering pic, you paint yourself as a one dimensional fan with no insights into what makes the game.
hey Mike,
there is no one I respect in hockey media more than Red.
I just read his article, and if i could write, those would
have been my thoughts EXACTLY.
Gauthier is finished in this town, and Gainey as well.
They could have give halak a 1 year deal – even at 5 million.
Give him 1 season of 60 games.
keep both goalies for 1 more year.
Gauthier is finshed in this town. Red just wrote the obituary.
Ain’t nobody in hockey smarter than Scotty.
Actually, you’re about $1 million shy annually of what Halak and Walsh will be looking for if the deal is short term.
Grow up, this is a business. I’m sorry your favourite little player got traded but get over it, you either are a fan of the Habs or you’re not.
Don’t let the upstairs management crap bug you, every organization is the same and besides, historically, the Habs have treated everyone from the Rocket to the Flower roughly so chew on that.
Go Habs Go!
C’mon fellow HAB’S FANS….Chill out…..
Do you really think we were going to get a Carter or a top forward for Halak? If there was a better deal out there the Habs would have taken it. You would have been more upset if they’d have received just a second round draft choice in return.
At least they got two players with potential. Both still young (as I have heard here often, ”IT’S A YOUNG MANS SPORT!!!!”).
Eller has promise, had a bout of mono last year and still made the AHL rookie allstar team.
Schultz is a big boy who needs some work, but from what I read about him he won’t be texting other team’s heavyweights between periods to see if they want to ‘go’.
Anyhow I have a feeling this is just the beginning, more changes are coming….Let’s see how things pan out the rest of the summer.
Everyone take another shot of bourbon in your morning coffee….There ya go….
mmmmm what an argument
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Well said, I’ve always liked your posts, TomNickle
For the bulldogs? Sweet!
I was just thinking on how good it would be if we could snag Biron for a cheap price. It’d almost be a sweet retribution to 07-08 when we couldn’t beat him, if he could help Price do the same to Philly in 2011.
I’m just wondering if Eller will play this season or not. I know he had played 7 or 8 games with the blues last year and apparently showed good upside. If he does, and it means we have safety in the 2nd line role, does that mean we’ve given up on Plecks and are turning our heads to a winger (Hopefully Marleau) to compliment Gomez & Gionta?
If Plecks isn’t resigned, would it be out of the way to think our top 6 would look like this?:
Gionta-Gomez-Marleau
Puoliot-Eller-Cammaleri
That, or in dealing away the K bros, we can pick up a second line winger and let Pouliot run on the third line, but I’d almost rather see this setup work if we were to go with it.
I cheer for the logo on the front, not the name in the back. What about you? If one player I love gets traded, I wish him the best and I’ll still cheer for my team. For those contemplating switching teams, do it. Maybe there’ll be less anthem booing and players booing at the Bell this year.
I loved Halak, but in Price they have a young player with similar achievements and talent who can be as good, maybe even more, and cost twice less than Halak. They are managing a business after all, and we are short of cap space. Price at 2 mill(maybe a bit less or a bit more)+ a cheap veteran goaltender gives the management more money to work with. Who knows, maybe the Halak trade is paving the way for other moves. Armchair GMs, phew….
Moving someone without a word is no class for me period.
Here is your 2010 starting goalie:
http://members.shaw.ca/codyrbown2/goalies/ahl/ham/desjardins.jpg
Come on. Everyone knows he’ll be looking for roughly $4M. Talking really wasn’t necessary.
Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey
iam hoping biron or hedberg backs up price. price just has to play good not spectacular every night to get back on track. of course it would help if the team in front of price could play hockey in the other end instead of having the play always in our end.
Look at this trade from a cap perspective and gainey signings last summer and you can see why halak had to go. halak could sign for 3-4m per season way to much for the habs and also the blues have to deal with arbitration if they cannot reach a deal…good luck on that one.
i would much rather have this deal then halak for some established player(s) that would cost us an arm and a leg and then turns into a bust. Eller and Shultz are cheap and have excellent potential…we are now younger.
i hope PG is not finished with this club. there is still some dead wood..no.
Thanks and do not cry after next season and do not repeat the same HOPE words because it is pathetic and you do not want to be pathetic do you?
Would you say they have no class if it had been Price that was traded to St.Louis?
Nevermind.
I’m definitely chillin’. This whole Chicken Little mentality on here gives me the creeps. Give it time.
FREE TIMO!
Habs management is believing in fairy tales.
I still say – HABS management has no class for doing it this way.
The only thing I see right now are gathering rainclouds. Eller and Schultz may help IN 3 OR 4 SEASONS and I don’t think Gomez, Cammi, Gionta and GIll want to wait. After 17 years, neither do I.
1 step forward, 3 steps back: the Habs Hokey Pokey.
Like your countryman told you. This is a Habs FAN board. I’m sympathetic to your pain that Halak was traded and I’m in no way trying to make it more sour. I’m saying that if you really believe that the team has no class and the reason you’ve watched the Habs no longer plays for the team, pick up a Blues site.
If you’re going to call the organization classless, use something like facts to back it up.
Was it classy to demand playing time or a trade? Was it classy for Halak’s agent to taunt Gainey on the internet?
Don’t throw stones in glass houses comes to mind.
People are trying to move forward now. You should do the same.
Can you read?
My post was about HABS not talking to Halak about new contract and trade.
Maybe it is fine with you but I try to be fair with people.
No – the second. First was Lats for Pouliot.
I truly admire your ability to see the future and already be able to tell whether it was a good trade or not.
Tell me, what respect did that players’ representative show the organization and what did the player do about his agent’s childish behaviour.
I know you have reservations about Price. But there are positives. He reacted in a great way to being put on the bench. Started to work harder and be a better teammate. There is light at the end of this tunnel and I hope within the next few days you can see it.
You disagree about overpaying the core? Show me an NHL team that isn’t overpaying at least three players in their top 11 group. Seeing that you’re a coach I don’t have to explain that top 11 to you.
Everyone relax. I think it’s fairly obvious this was the best they could get from the West, and they probably only got slightly better offers, if at all, in the East.
Gauthier was not fielding calls for Patrick Roy here. Halak had on very good season and a great playoffs. Before that, he had never been a number 1 goalie, so we were not going to get Perron, Backes or anyone like that. Price probably would have fetched more because most GM’s, just like Gauthier, believe he will be very, very good….and that’s why he’s still a Canadien. Add the money issue with Halak probably looking for $4M a year on his very next contract, and it’s not complicated. as for the rush, well there was a slight rush due to the fact that the longer they waited, the better chance the Blues sign someone else or trade for someone else.
All we can do is hope that Eller will pan out, and Price will be good next year, hopefully better than Halak.
Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey
so is this the first “lose – lose” trade in history… fans of each team think dooms day has arrived.
It pains me to say this but I believe it ties into a contingency plan. If we can’t land that long coveted BIG centreman or re-sign Pleks. I think Cammalleri moves to the middle and they throw Eller on his LW to start the season.
Faceoffs being one of our biggest problems last season, I can’t see the Habs playing Eller at centre.
If HABS only act like they got class
I hate my mouse.
MY thing about this trade is that the Habs have way more options. This “I’m handcuffed here” explanation doesn’t wash. The Habs are showing no respect to the goalie who gave them their best run in 17 years. They’re keeping the one who flounders, and that’s just plain stupid.
After Price’s “shrug,” he should have been dealt away, but for some insane vague futuristic reason, they keep hanging their hopes on him.
FYI this is what they’re writing in St. Louis.
Here is the St Louis Post Dispatch’s commentary about what they gaveup for Jaro:The price was very, very high. Eller starred in the AHL last season during his first year of North American hockey. He seems poised to break out next season as a rookie.The Blues have also failed to develop a high-end scorer over theyears. Perhaps David Perron or T.J. Oshie could become such a player,but they haven’t reached that level yet.Experts believe Eller can become at least an impact scorer, if not anoutright star. He scored 57 points in 70 games for the Rivermen lastseason and scored two goals in seven NHL games. He played with anedge, despite his lack of stature, and the Blues were eager to see howmuch offense he could add.Schultz, the 87th overall pick in 2008, is a rugged 6-foot-2,200-pound winger capable of scoring and fighting. He progressedsteadily in the Western Hockey League and appears ready for prohockey.Given the Blues lack of blue-chip depth up front, this dealrepresented a huge sacrifice. Given that lofty price, Halak absolutelyMUST become a star.
I think you did you enjoy HABS being down for more than decade… so have a great time
This is not about one man – this is about HABS MANAGEMENT way of thinking…
I agree with you. I didn’t mention Moore only because his UFA status. If he stays, he gives us his excellent services, further depth on C, an extra year for Eller to develop into a regular NHLer and a good feeling that we didn’t just waste that 2nd rounder for 3 months of Moore.
Tom…Hard to say what Plek would and would not have done…we will never know…
It is one thing to overpay a guy who is on the rise…but I think even the most casual fan knew the deal on Gomez…
We took a risk on Cammy and that was more than acceptable…and it was the best trade we made…
Gomez played well…but he is the highest paid Hab ever…I would hope he would contribute to us going into the post season…
I disagree on overpaying the core…any overpaying puts you at risk…GM’s have as much of a part of winning the Cup as the coaches…it all starts with who they bring in…
I do agree that the third and fouth line guys can be the difference…especally when top lines are shut down in the post season…
Maybe this new guy will be a quick learner?
Does anyone wonder if they also shopped Price but didn’t get bupkiss? Maybe this truly was the best offer. Somehow I refuse to believe that but who knows…..grasping at straws here.
If they did speak with Jaro about new contract or even this trade your argument would be great…
I love how he speculated that the Leafs would be a big player in the Kovalchuk sweepstakes and Burke comes out the next day and says No outright.
I would like to see a team file civil suit against him and force him to reveal his source or sources.
He would have to then show authorities a big wheel with every NHL player’s name on it.
What, you mean Kaberle isn’t equivalent to all that? This is a shock to me
I think keeping Moore if possible will be a good idea…IMO having Centers who can play wing are the way to go…especially when you get tossed in a tight name and need to win a faceoff…nice two have two guys who can take the draw…a lot of 3rd and 4th line centers will play both if the money is right…
My point is that Plek himself wouldn’t sign a longterm deal following that season and even if he does, we need a complimentary centreman for this season. People are quick to blame Gomez and his contract for cap troubles, but how far do we go in the playoffs without him? He’s a member of our core and every team has to overpay for their core. It’s how we spend away from the core that will dictate the financial flexibility of the organization.
Hamrlik’s contract has to go.
here is my comment for today, and I hope my last.
Pierre Gauthier has hung himself and price out to dry.
there is nothing short of another excellent playoff
that will make this move a success.
and any type of down season, which is possible, will spell the end of gauthier in this town.
that’s it.
I have given enough time and energy to this organisation.
I will now sit back and hope for the best.
Habs hockey = Smart hockey we work as a team, and we win as a team. we play 5 man defence – not just 2. we play with energy, we
Eklund’s been drinking again, apparently Toronto with no 1st-round picks are going to put offer sheets out for Joe Pavelski, David Perron and Bobby Ryan. HB is always a source of comedy isn’t it?
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
I am a huge fan of Robert L’s astute analysis. I think it was not a bad trade – we need a good team, not just a good goalie. You only play one goalie per game, and Price + another guy will be just fine. But you have to play four centres. Plekanec, Gomez, Lapierre, Eller + our AHL guys are a decent depth to start with.
“Perhaps” is that your argument?
Halak did say for media that he was surprised and has no communication with management about this
Moreover they even did not talk about new contract at all.
But perhaps they did
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Halak for nothing – you can call it as you want
I am very impressed with the mature way you’re looking at this trade and the circumstances surrounding it.
Fact is, if Walsh were my agent and did what he did, I would’ve fired him on the spot if I were Halak. He didn’t for whatever reason.
Red’s mentor is Jack Todd? Now, doesn’t that add weight to his words?
Patrick Roy’s record upon leaving Montreal: 2 Conn Smythe trophies with
the 1986 and 1993 Canadiens, was 289-175-66 regular
season, 70-42 in post-season with 3 Cup Finals and 2 Cup wins on his
record when he left. Three Vezinas, 3 Jennings Trophies, First-Team
All-Star 3 times, 2nd-Team All-Star twice, 6 All-Star Game appearances,
Calder Cup win in 1985 as well.
Sorry, this isn’t the Roy Trade the day after the fact when Halak is at the start of his career. The Habs moved probably the best playoff goalie in NHL history in ’95 with incredible honours, Halak has a long way to go to come close to matching all of that.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Who was consistent during that soap opera 100th year? That year was an anomoly year and Plek had the muscial wingers game going on all year…Police…mobsters…hookers…it was a circus
You buy low and sell high..your coaches need to see the potential…Plek had the potential and it was a down year…
Gomez was brought in to be number one center…how is that working out?
Tortorella himself told me they were so relieved when the Habs took Gomez…he said he was a good player and a great guy…but his contract was ridiculous and the rangers did not think they could successfully shop him…
I like Scotty…but at about 4.5 mil…
It would be nice for someone of your intelligence to be a little more analytical of this trade.
Price gave up an extra goal what, every 3 games?
You can see very clearly that Price has enjoyed the same amount of success as Jaro Halak has. You can also see that we’ve had a carousel of goalies that have come back down to earth after enjoying career years.
Philly wasn’t giving up one of their young guns for Halak or Price. That was pure fantasy on the part of Habs fans. You don’t trade a 40 goal scorer for a goalie…that is simply Hockey 101.
I don’t know what is going on down in San Jose, but there are certainly good options (Mason, Ellis, Turco) who could look very good behind a very strong Sharks team. And they need to win now, because their window is rapidly closing.
What assets does Montreal have to tempt either Florida or Chicago into dealing either of those guys to Montreal?
Let’s face it…the fans who aren’t simply angry because they really liked Halak are disillusioned that they didn’t get more to help the team now for the team’s MVP of last season.
Horton has 3 years left on his pretty affordable deal. If, as so many here assure me, he truly is available, I have to think a bidding war is going to escalate the cost beyond anything the Habs can afford to pay. I suspect that Subban is the prospect that will be asked for by most teams, and he’s untouchable in the eyes of the Habs fan base. The rest of the team’s prospects don’t really inspire anybody out there.
With Sharp, his trade would be a pure salary dump, so there is hope there. But again, the Hawks SHOULD be getting some good prospects back. Montreal would probably be looking at moving somebody like Leblanc, Kristo or Eller in that trade, as the Hawks already have a defence corps that is pretty stacked with younger guys that are better than anything we could give them.
How do you know they didn’t pay him any respect?
And do you perhaps think his agent’s antics during the season might have done something with not negotiating the next contract?
I am totally happy with Eller and cap space.
And don’t worry, Halak will get his $4M elsewhere and will have enough to survive. He didn’t get fired and won’t be unemployed.
Gomez’s contract was brought in because of Plek’s inconsistency. No player who thinks he can put up a 70 point season signs a multi year deal on the heels of a 39 point season.
That’s hardly Gainey’s fault.
agreed – was a classless act.
Robert L and Chris Boyle have been breaking our goalie situation down to a science all year…Their viewpiont is sound and backed up by some good logic and facts…
These other guys are all sensationalists selling their product…”The sky is falling…”
I would like ask again:
Is there any chance of having an ‘ignore’ option, anti-spam mechanism (such as no 15 posts per page per poster) or an opportunity to ‘mark as offensive’ or ‘mark as spam’ button on HIO?
Okay. Bad management. Trading an asset who would have been grossly overpaid entering next season. That same asset is represented by a man who taunted management by way of Twitter. That same asset gave management an ultimatum.
Tell me, what assurance did Pierre Gauthier have that Jaro Halak or Allan Walsh wouldn’t have requested a trade if Price stole the #1 job back?
Price was the 5th pick overall – the only number that matters to this management team.
Forget he shows up to training camp overweight, forget he went 15 – 20 – 5 last season. Forget his weak goals deflated this team more then a smoker at a asthma convention.
You don;t need to work hard, you just need a pedigree.
i’m surprised – and disappointed – that halak didn’t even get a call. communication has been a big problem, it seems, for the habs the past few years.
The Other Wing
It is good to get some nice, sober analysis within a day of the trade isn’t it?
Gauthier made an unpopular decision in the interest of the club’s future, whether that works we’ll find out.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
thank you, steve! the market for halak (or price) was bad and yes – cap cap cap. most people are saying worst trade ever but they’re also not trying to figure out the implications of signing halak to $4.5 million/year or whatever…
The Other Wing
Looks like another 17 years of stupidity and failure.
Come on, you are intelligent man, I said I will be fan of anyteam where will Halak play – because I ma his fan in first row – that is the fact, but that does not mean I can not have more favourite teams, does it?
But on the other hand - how can I be fan of team with fuckkked up management that treat hardworking people like shhhittt…? The minimum amount of respect to Halak would be at least talk to him…
And tell me how many years are HABS in black hole and how many years are HABS fans willing to tolerate this?
And so he should be. What a boneheaded deal.
This is not based on emotion. My reaction is based on results. There was no reason to trade the BETTER goalie. Talk salary cap and all that crap all you want, but in the end this is a VERY STUPID deal, on a par with Houle trading Roy.
Instead of being 2 players away, the Habs are now 3 or more because of all the extra goals they’re going to need to score.
Even burke could have gotten more for Halak.
One fan’s angry reaction
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Craig,
It is quite alright for you to go and support another team if you wish.
I will help you get there. Just because you were not picked up on waivers by even a pee wee team, does not mean you are not a loyal and solid fan through thick and thin.
But please, if you and I find ourselves walking down a dark ally some day, I would like to lead if you don’t mind.
Ian
Tony?
FREE TIMO!
Well now I’ve had enough….
When many hockey experts have a divided opinion on this trade, you know it’s a tough one to evaluate. But when Justin Trudeau doesn’t like the deal, well then we know it’s a bad deal….
Seriously, why don’t some people just learn to mind their own business and shut the phoque up sometimes.
Just to remind you all what the word “fan” means, since we all throw it around here everyday. It means someone who will encourage it’s team or group no matter what. But somehow, I get the feeling most of you “fans” will be booing Price the 1st time he loses next year, even if it’s a 55 save effort and the Habs lose 1-0 in OT…
I’m so proud to be a Habs fan, but more often than not I feel like we have one of the dumbest “fan”bases in the whole league.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Dude. I find you take this all way to personally. I understand hes your favorite player, but hockey is a business, and in business you have to make gambles sometime.
I for one, as a habs fan, was not ready to pay halak $4-$4.5 Million/year based on that one playoff run. We’ve seen teams get burned by that too many times (tim thomas, Cristobal Huet, Jose Theodore anyone?). If they go to arbitration, and halak gets a ridiculous award from the arbitrator, the habs have no choice but to walk away and get nothing in return.
Hes a great player, and the blues are extremely lucky to have him.
……aaaaand there it is.
OK, so when are you going to start to tear apart my arguments? Your rebuttal did nothing to counter my points – it was just so much hot air. Get back to me when you have something intelligent to write.
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I think it’s a smart plan really. There’s been 50/50 reports of what Plecks will do, but it he walks, be got a bigger center to fill his spot that can play 2-way as well.
Personally, this screams to me that the Habs have thier sights on a new winger to round out thier top six.
Marleau would be awesome…
But the more I think on it, Frolov is sitting in UFA with a previous 4 million dollar contract…eerily the same amount that a lotta people thought Halak would get in arbitration, which is now freed up on our cap.
Hrmmmmm
Versatility is the key and the orgainzation appears to loading up on versatility. We have several centres and one who could very easily actually become our first line center if we so choose…Cammalleri.. With Eller, Lap who can play either wing or center, Pyatt, if we keep Moore, etc…..we have many many options. For us to pick up a big name this year we need to unload more slary and that is likely being worked on…whther or not it happens is another story. Hammer and Andrei are the most likely options if something happens. Now with Eller added to the mox, Leblanc coming in a couple of seasons we are starting to look much better up the middle. Cammi at center is always an option and one that is likely in the back of the minds as a contingency play….he would need a big scoring winger….like had in Frolov who happens to be available but I think priority one is getting Pleks back at an affordable rate…..and that is another unmentioned result of this trade…..how does pLeks feel knowing what just happened inthe name of a dollar…if he wants to stay as bad as he professes to this has to be setting off alarm bells.
problem is – they just traded away the reason we made it to the conference finals.
Two bricks for the PRICE of one.
if you’ll notice that was what i was doing…..by the time i did that and then went to correct the double post you had posted…..
Funny how often people talking any sense are the only ones we agree with.
I saw nothing wrong with Fisher’s article. He, like a significant portion of the Habs fan base, have never really been sold on Price. Others are.
It’s called debate. Discussion. Exchanging of ideas.
It’s only when one side insults the intelligence or knowledge of the other side of the argument that it becomes silly.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think this trade was just part of a plot by the Canadiens’ management and the Gazette to pump-up off-season posts with an eye to an eventual sale to Rupert Murdoch.
Ain’t that the truth, well said, mike g!
These aren’t fans, these are spoiled babies.
@TomNickle…you posted a reply to Slovak that I rebutted, and it got buried. I am reposting it to you.
Quote: (from Tom) “If you’re going to call the organization classless, use
something like
facts to back it up. “
Reply (from me)
Fact:
Jaro NEVER demanded “play me or trade me”. A reporter asked him if he
wanted to be traded, and Halak replied (with class, I might add) that he
just wants to play, wherever he may be. Classic case of words being put
in his mouth, and idiots began citing it like it was a fact. Lies and
half truths.
Fact: Neither Jaro or his agent was
contacted after the season to discuss a contract,so PG was spouting
lies about the cap hit – he had no real idea unless he asked Jaro what he
wanted (*note* specualation does not = fact). Classless
Fact: Jaro
was not even given the courtesy of a call by the Canadiens to inform him
of the trade – he had to find out through the media. Very
classless
Fact: Larry Robinson, a legend
in the world of hockey and an excellent coach, calls the organization
inquiring about a job, and IS NOT EVEN GIVEN THE COURTESY OF A CALL
BACK. Utterly and indefensibly classless.
This organization is but a shadow of it’s former glorious past.
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Yes - outrageous ANYONE would question this move. What nerve.
Also:
A fan, short for fanatic and sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend. …
People are mad cause we care about the team, not the other way around.
Justin Trudeau…….. Who is he again? I was thinking he is adam76.
are you likening justin trudeau to a dolphin in your post? interesting association.
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Look above ^^^^^^^^
The site frequently ruins the formatting of posts. By the time you go through to re-edit the formatting, somebody has replied and you are locked out from changing your post.
Wow!! Certainly not a popular decision, except in St. Louis.
A real roll of the dice. Perhpas they trade Price and completely overhaul the goaltending situation completely?
Can’t wait for the first Halak Hitler rant to show up on Youtube!
With more money, Plekanec or Marleau has to be signed. To lose out on keeping or aquiring either of the two is crazy!
Let’s hope for the best!
lol well played….but seriously if you guys can’t read 8 ro 10 lines without becoming upset then you really should talk to your optometrists, or senior care providers. They have tools out there to magnify the screens for you old fogies or blind bats.
It is entirely fitting though because the team is a mere shadow of its past as well.
I, too, am embarrassed on how management has been representing our beloved franchise.
Bugs funny you would be talking about soccer today mate
how did France do yesterday? and today the German’s did what? hope you have a better weekend with your picks.
What a stupid post. Only morons will blindly follow, despite idiotic leadership (see the Bush years).
I, for one, will continue to cheer for the Habs, and Carey Price – or whoever is in net – but that doesn’t mean I can’t recognise a bad trade when see it. I know the Roy deal was dumb. I did not boo any of the players still on the habs then. But that didn’t make the trad any less stupid then, and it doesn’t now. This was an idiotic trade. Jaro > Price.
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His bad then. He should give you ten Mississippis in the future before replying.
“Fact” 1: Allan Walsh called Bob Gainey in November and gave him an ultimatum of playing Halak more or trading him to a team that would. People who are claiming Halak demanded a trade are wrong, but not by much. This story was reported in the Gazette and on HIO and in many other news outlets.
“Fact” 3: Is also wrong, as I believe Stubbs said on Twitter that JM called Halak to inform him.
Even if we re-sign Pleckanec @4-4.5 million, I think there’s room to go after Frolov. Correct me if I’m false in my math though.
That’d push Eller to third line role, which he could fill awesomely, maybe become a poor man’s Staal.
Moore would become the problem part. I loved the way he played this year, the I personally think he needs to be brought back. We could roll 4 lines this way instead of a 4th checking line, and it’d be a plausible solution. Im still worried who’d play with Gio and Gomez though…Pouliot seems the right answer, since I can’t tee the K Bros coming back.
There’s also Paciorretty to consider as well.
After calming down
Maybe this trade was best for both sides. Maybe it was better for Blues – this is more likely, why? Answer is up to you.
But some of you saying ”true fans are supporting their team no matter what” must be in comma. When your government do something you don’t like – will you blindly support it?
I hope Montreal will get better management one day, because as I learned – management is the core of the team not players.
classic stormboy
Ah, you are a wise man, Michael. Good point.
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Well played, sir.
Clay4BC.
I watched Elliote Friedman ask Jaroslav Halak if he requested a trade and I watched Jaroslav Halak say that’s between me, my agent and the team but I don’t think it’s any secret that I want to play more.
Clay. If the player did not request a trade why not put the rumour to bed and say “No, I didn’t request a trade”.
Allan Walsh handled himself like Adam76 does on a regular basis and Jaro Halak is far from a hero.
If we’ve got the whole story on Larry Robinson, that is tremendously disappointing but Jaro Halak is not Larry Robinson.
fact 1: how does that have anything to do with the habs if the MEDIA put words in his mouth?
fact 2: if the player is not in your plans, why would you negotiate a contract with him? is your boss going to discuss salary with you the day before he fires you? that decision was made way before.
fact 3: where did you hear that? i’m curious cause i haven’t seen many comments from halak
fact 4: did the habs not call him back, or did larry robinson take a deal before the habs had a chance to solve their coaching dilemma? last week we were talking about perry pearn leaving to edmonton, and muller going to hamilton. pearn is staying, but muller is still up in the air. how can we call robinson and tell him “we haven’t solved our coaching staff yet so just hang on and don’t take any offers?” which gives no vote of confidence to our current staff members.
i’m just giving you alternative point of views.
Walsh is a joke. He is no different from other awful agents like Scott Boras. Teams do not want to deal with idiots like that most of the time. Walsh no doubt was part of the reason Halak was shipped out. They just did not want to deal with that jackass of an agent with contract talks. And I for one, do not blame them one bit.
As usual, Andrew is talking out of his ass. The facts remain, despite your “beliefs”. Walsh never called gainey with an ultimatum. And NO ONE called Halak, as cited in the Slovak papers.
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Enjoy cheering for the Blues.
Na, it’s a smoke screen to camouflage the upcoming K Bros. trade. That’ll be the deal of the decade.
Embrace the new System. Trade Tenders for a Title!!
FREE TIMO!
This franchise has become a world of shadows!
A bad trade? HaHa. Uh huh. Keep hating BLINDLY! It is idiots like you who call this a bad trade. How about you use your head and look at EVERYTHING as a whole.
Speak up sonny. These tired old ears can’t hear a word you’re sayin’!!!
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Hey, this is for Boone:
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/93457
Let’s hope these two guys are team mates in Montreal in the near future.
Nathan Horton is available…
Well said Mike…If there was ever a time when team play was important it is in the salary Cap era…the NHL likes to pimp the “super stars” but a complete team wins Cups…individual players cannot become the team themselves…
After a nice deep playoff run we haven’t seen in a while everyone is getting negative on next year before all the cards are played…Jaro was great…I loved him…but he isn’t a Hab anymore…time to move on…
Who can predict what will happen? Ask the Caps what their prediction was…pundits be damned…any good team can win it if they work together and want it bad enough…
I guess you believed all the Russian papers when it came to Kovalev huh. Wow just wow.
Cheer up child, You get to cheer your hero when he plays for the Blues.
This isn’t government, this is a sports team. And as for Montreal management getting better, this version is one of the best we’ve had as fans.
Forget the Reggie Houle regime, the Irv Grundman years and even the Serge Savard years were an aberration with bad drafting and hoping the Habs got by on their name alone.
As for management mistreating their players, I know it’s all wrapped up in a fond view of the “original six” and all the warm fuzziness of that but the Habs’ treatment of french players including the Rocket in the ’40s and ’50s was borderline racist. And anybody remember the fond farewells accorded to ’70s mainstays like Dryden, Lemaire, Shutt, Lapointe, Savard and Lafleur? They were either forced to retire or dealt away only celebrated in ceremonies years later.
And the Habs aren’t the only organization to behave like this…
Fact 1 was a rebuttal to Tom’s original post…
Fact 2 – why is the best player on our team not in our plans? The only reason we made it as far as we did? Stupid, I say.
Fact 3 – in the Slovac papers
Fact 4 – read the article on the front page of HIO.
And to add a new one…
Fact 5 – Habs let a coach go that other teams are drooling over. (more dumb than classless)
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If you people would have one grain of hockey intelligence you would understand that this move was done SOLELY to benefit the team moving forward…
If you cared about the team you “fans” would be thanking PG for not singing a goaltender like Halak to a MULTI YEAR DEAL AFTER PLAYING 2 SOLID MONTHS OF HOCKEY.
If you think that’s responsable and good management of your assets, throw 5 mill at Pouliot too cuz he scored 12 goals in his forst 20 games with us. That’s on pace to score 48 in 80 games, hell that’s 2 less than Crosby!!!!
Seriously guys. If you care about the team you’d understand that giving Jaro big money like he deserves would handcuff us on the cap for a few years at least. THAT’S NOT GONNA BENEFIT THE TEAM YOU ALL CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT.
But then hey, we should always listen to most of you guys on this site. You’ve said we should trade Markov (what????!!!!!!) cuz we got PK Subban (a 21 year old kid with 20 games experience, yep that’s gonna replace a top 5 d-man in the world) who’s apparently already an All-Star and according to you guys will be better than Drew Doughty next year, already locked up his position on Team Canada in 2014, and is being voted into the Hall of Fame this year. They’re gonna keep his spot next to Gretzky for 20 years ti’ll he retires, because he played 20 good games with the Habs in his rookie year; so he’s guaranteed to be a hockey Legend!
Seriously people, as I said above, shut the phoque up sometimes. You sound dumber than Leaf fans sometimes.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Thanks I will but if you don’t mind I will watch HABS too…
You’re gone man, you’re just gone.
What’s it like to be completely delusional?
There is absolutely nothing to contradict the FACT that a trade or more playing time was DEMANDED. There is only confirmation.
Stay in Asia.
If you people would have one grain of hockey intelligence you would understand that this move was done SOLELY to benefit the team moving forward…
If you cared about the team you “fans” would be thanking PG for not singing a goaltender like Halak to a MULTI YEAR DEAL AFTER PLAYING 2 SOLID MONTHS OF HOCKEY.
If you think that’s responsable and good management of your assets, throw 5 mill at Pouliot too cuz he scored 12 goals in his forst 20 games with us. That’s on pace to score 48 in 80 games, hell that’s 2 less than Crosby!!!!
Seriously guys. If you care about the team you’d understand that giving Jaro big money like he deserves would handcuff us on the cap for a few years at least. THAT’S NOT GONNA BENEFIT THE TEAM YOU ALL CLAIM TO CARE ABOUT.
But then hey, we should always listen to most of you guys on this site. You’ve said we should trade Markov (what????!!!!!!) cuz we got PK Subban (a 21 year old kid with 20 games experience, yep that’s gonna replace a top 5 d-man in the world) who’s apparently already an All-Star and according to you guys will be better than Drew Doughty next year, already locked up his position on Team Canada in 2014, and is being voted into the Hall of Fame this year. They’re gonna keep his spot next to Gretzky for 20 years ti’ll he retires, because he played 20 good games with the Habs in his rookie year; so he’s guaranteed to be a hockey Legend!
Seriously people, as I said above, shut the phoque up sometimes. You sound dumber than Leaf fans sometimes.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
We want to know how you know that?
Lars Eller will be a grittier version of Pleks. Very good playmaker, so-so finisher, but willing to go to high traffic areas to score.
To compare this to the Roy trade is ridiculously premature and bears little similarity.
Roy, already had two cup rings and was widely considered the best goaltender in the game when he was traded for a bag of pucks.
Halak, who just this year emerged as a top-quality starter, a RFA with arbitration rights, traded for a highly-regarded prospect and another prospect who might develop into a gritty powerforward.
T-cubed?
Oh ya great trade, you give away your MVP and one of the top 5 goalies in the league last year for a second tier prospect and another jr. player who is a long shot to play in the NHL. Now it’s time to rely on a kid that has had attitude problems and has one of the worst winning % in the league on team that isn’t a bottom feeder. Once again Price has earned nothing and gets handed the starting job. He had it given to him, it was snatched away because jaro flat out outplayed him. Now management had their hands tied, so they decided to get rid of Jaro and give it back to Price. I’m reasonably sure, whoever the new backup goalie is, will have the starting job by Xmas.
I am sick of you so I c=am just going to tear apart your arguments.
1) Halak has only played a career high of 43 games in a regular season. He has never proven to be a #1. There is no denying that. A hot spring does not prove anything. Look at Raycroft, Jim Carey, Blaine Lacher etc etc. They had great first seasons, and then what happened. He has done nothing to prove he can be a #1 over an ENTIRE season.
2) Halak is going to demand a contract like Hiller. $4+ million for multiple seasons. How is he worth that when you look at my 1st point. No way he is worth that right now. Can he prove to be worth it? Ofcourse, but as of right now, no way…Look at what Rask’s extension was for. And he had a better season.
3) Halak had all the power here. He is arbitration eligible so the Habs had their backs up against the wall.
4) If they signed Halak and let Price go, you could say goodbye 100% to Pleks and any chance to sign someone like Marleau. At least now they have some money to be able to add or keep players on the team.
5) No matter if it was Price or Halak dealt the return would not be huge. Eller is the real deal but if you think either goalie was gonna get a top player think again. There are many UFA goalies out there and goalies on the trading block right now. And only a few teams that need goalies. That means teams could have went with other options and then really screw the Habs.
6) Halak’s agent is a clown. An absolute clown. He absolutely had a role in this. If Halak’s agent was not such an asshole you can bet the Habs would have at least talked to the Halak camp.
“Forget the Reggie Houle regime”
Impossible when they make bonehead trades like this one.
Honest question:
If one was to honestly poll NHL scouts and general managers and ask “Who has more career potential, Sergei Kostitsyn or Tom Pyatt?” what would they answer?
Yet, a significant majority of the fan base would be more than happy to see the Habs keep Pyatt over Kostitsyn because of intangibles: his work ethic, his sulkiness and his poor fit with Jacques Martin.
I get so very tired of hearing the same “ask NHL scouts who they would rather have” argument used over and over and over. We all know who the guy with potential is…it is Carey Price, drafted 5th overall in 2005.
We also know that Price has had a rockey roller-coaster of a ride thus far in his NHL career. We’ve all seen the highs (great rookie season, deserved All-Star appearance in his second season, the great performances when he is on his game) and the lows (the petulance at the end of the Boston series, losing his job to Halak this season, the idiotic slash of Backstrom in the playoffs this season, the terrible body language when he is off his game).
The Price debate does not boil down simply to, “Who do you think will be better over the long-term?”. You HAVE to at least acknowledge the intangibles in the discussion. Otherwise, people are just talking at each other, not having a discussion.
1) Halak has only played a career high of 43 games in a regular season. He has never proven to be a #1. There is no denying that. A hot spring does not prove anything. Look at Raycroft, Jim Carey, Blaine Lacher etc etc. They had great first seasons, and then what happened. He has done nothing to prove he can be a #1 over an ENTIRE season.
2) Halak is going to demand a contract like Hiller. $4+ million for multiple seasons. How is he worth that when you look at my 1st point. No way he is worth that right now. Can he prove to be worth it? Ofcourse, but as of right now, no way…Look at what Rask’s extension was for. And he had a better season.
3) Halak had all the power here. He is arbitration eligible so the Habs had their backs up against the wall.
4) If they signed Halak and let Price go, you could say goodbye 100% to Pleks and any chance to sign someone like Marleau. At least now they have some money to be able to add or keep players on the team.
5) No matter if it was Price or Halak dealt the return would not be huge. Eller is the real deal but if you think either goalie was gonna get a top player think again. There are many UFA goalies out there and goalies on the trading block right now. And only a few teams that need goalies. That means teams could have went with other options and then really screw the Habs.
6) Halak’s agent is a clown. An absolute clown. He absolutely had a role in this. If Halak’s agent was not such an asshole you can bet the Habs would have at least talked to the Halak camp.
Keep trying!!!
I must admit that some of the reading on here is certainly helping my morning to fly by!
Not enough folks looking at the big picture, though. You can now rearrange the “41″ on the back of your jersey and cheer for Pleks.
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A few paragraph breaks might be helpful in the future.
I agree with Slovak. I’d rather that fans cheered for the team that they liked than bitched about and denigrated the team they didn’t. I like Halak, I will pay more attention to the Blues but I still prefer the Canadiens.
Some people have been very disparaging of the other players on this team and I don’t see the difference between them and the trolls who cheer for other teams. With fans like these who needs…?
There’s a difference between disagreement and dislike. One of them is tolerable, acceptable, in a relationship.
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My first reaction to the trade was shock and disappointment that we didn’t get a roster player, but I’m starting to get excited now that I’ve read about the guys who are coming our way.
Trading Halak was a tough decision but, in my opinion, the right one. His value will never be higher, and the likelihood of his repeating his performance of this past post-season is slim. He’s a great goaltender, and I’m sure he’ll be successful in St. Louis, but he’s a little too streaky for me to have complete confidence in him. His other-worldly performances against Washington and Pittsburgh were preceded by several bad games to close out the season, at a time when we were desperately trying to nail down a playoff spot, and followed by a mediocre performance against Philly. It’s true that the whole team ran out of gas, but Halak was nonetheless quite badly outplayed by Michael Leighton. Streaky performances during the regular season usually even out, but in the playoffs you can’t afford to hit a cold streak at a critical point.
The option of keeping both goaltenders was not a good one either. Last season’s goaltending situation would not have been tenable for another year – two young goaltenders, both wanting to be the starter, neither knowing when they would play or how often they would be sitting on the bench. A certain amount of competition is healthy, but at this stage in their careers, both need to be the starter, with a veteran to back them up.
For me the only question is how Price will react to the pressure he will face, and I think his progress last season, which was enormous in terms of maturity and attitude despite his record, suggests that he is ready to handle it. He’ll need a good backup, preferably not, as Tom Nickle argues, a French-Canadian whom the crowd will embrace if Price falters. My choice would be Johan Hedberg, whom his team-mates see as the perfect backup and a great team-player.
Our two prospects look good. Eller should be in the line-up next season. He gives us size, speed, skill, and the promise of a second-line centre. Schultz looks like developing into the kind of gritty third- or fourth-liner we need. We complained about our lack of size and toughness against Philly; we just added some.
Until the free agent period begins you can!
I see your starting up the personal attacks. So sad you can’t debate like an adult. I knew it was coming.
Jaroslav Halak hadn’t heard from the Canadiens since the team lost to the Philadelphia Flyers in the Eastern Conference final, but he was still surprised when he received a phone call from Pierre Gauthier telling him that he had been traded to St. Louis.
“I wasn’t concerned that there were no talks because it was still early,” Halak said yesterday from his home in Slovakia. “In fact, I was surprised because it’s early for the trade.”
Halak said he enjoyed his time in Montreal and wanted to stay, but he embraced the trade as a “new beginning. I’m in St. Louis and I want to help them win.”
Halak asked for a trade last season when he was languishing behind Price. But Gauthier said that request wasn’t a factor in the deal.
He described Halak as a solid citizen and good teammate.
Halak’s agent, Montreal native Allan Walsh, said he was disappointed that there weren’t any talks with the Canadiens.
“If we had asked for a six-year deal for $36 million, they could say we wanted too much, but they never asked us what we wanted,” he said.
Gauthier said that it wasn’t necessary to talk. He said general managers around the league have a good idea of what players are worth and suggested that the Canadiens could find a better use for the money needed to sign Halak.
“I worked hard to gain the confidence (of the coaches) and I played more than Carey at the end of the season,” Halak said. “When we got to the playoffs and we were down 3-1 to Washington in the first round, I just told myself to try my best and I had nothing to lose.”
Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Halak+embraces+trade+beginning/3169047/story.html#ixzz0rDZkLXuc
This Halak deal is an emotional rollercoaster for some. I suppose it’s the new reality of Cap era sports when shocking trades become the norm. It has given us a bit of room though. So how do we use it wisely? Do we re-sign some existing players only or do we use the money to find a big star and fill in the gaps with Bulldogs? Or is it a mix of the two options?
Shout out to SmartDog…Rob, time for 5 questions on our next steps.
FREE TIMO!
This coming from the person who changed their picture from Carey Price with a cigarette in his mouth to a picture of his own child.
Trying to fire up some sympathy and rid yourself of the biased label Adam?
Using your child in that way is pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself.
The real question is what is the half life of potential and how long should you give a guy like Price to realize it.
With the INFERIOR goalie according to you and PG, this team made it to the ECF. I look forward to the Habs going further next season both in the regular season and playoffs.
The goal of ANY GM is to IMPROVE his team, so my expectations are totally valid.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Toms FACTS are better then your FACTS.
good thing we traded for schultz – we’re gonna need the big guy to break up some of these messageboard fights. the halak vs price debate has gone from tense to violent.
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Let’s see? 5 million for a goalie who carried this team on his slight shoulders and gave hope for this franchise for the first time in many years, or 7.2 million for a second line centre? I know who I would have chosen.
Salary cap move? NOW THE HABS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CAP ISSUES? Too bad BOB did not consider those implications back on July 1, 2009!!!
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Actually it was in MOntreal Gazette, you feel better now?
Lol the HI/O daycare is in full swing today.
I don’t think it matters one wit whether Price plays well or not next season. The minute he is a UFA it’s hasta la vista Montreal.
What a moron , Halak was your team MVP last year and without him this team is nothing last season. Oh but he’ll want around 3.5-4 million, so he has to go. Never mind we’re paying a 12 goal scorer 7.3 or 9.5 million for an aging 2nd defense pairing who will never be confused with a Doughty. Bo-bo ensured that we are handcuffed for years to come. Hey why don’t the Lightning trade Stamkos, he’ll want too much money soon, get rid of Toews, he’s up for a big raise. We have to get rid of Markov this year, he’s a great player, but no money. What dumbass reasoning. Maybe if a miracle happens and Price plays well, we’ll trade him to, when he’s due for a raise. Losing Halak will almost surely set this team back. Going by Price’s play last season, we’ll at least have a good shot at a lottery pick.
Well, it depends on what side of the debate you are on, apparently.
From extensive Habs Inside/Out data collection and analysis, the Price Potential half-life is either infinity if you think Price is the best thing since sliced bread or 1 year if you think Halak was the better goalie.
Agreed.
hearing what halak had to say about the trade makes it harder to see him go. he had great character and was a good teammate.
good luck to him in st. louis, but now i’m only focused on how the habs can continue to improve their team for next year.
My gut says that Pleks ain’t goin’ anywhere. Then again, it also told me to eat a whole anchovy and hot pepper pizza just before heading off to bed last night.
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I’m in a permanent ellipsis myself…
As I posted above, I don’t think it matters long term. He gets an equivalent bid away after next season and I think he will bolt. (I can’t blame him, I sure as hell would.)
Better here than in the middle of Ste. Catherine street.
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Alright Clay, your golden boy’s loud mouth agent can do no wrong. Every major news source in Montreal was completely off the mark in November and reported on something that never happened. Only Clay can be right about anything because he’s a genius that knows everything about Montreal and reads all of Montreal’s media and knows Halak personally.
How about we stick to the facts and you can stop being a condescending douche nozzle?
All personal feelings aside and how I feel about the trade, Gauthier saying that trading Halak for financial reasons is SUCH BS! They had no contact with Halak after the post season. If they had any interest they would have at least talked to see what kind of a deal Halak was hoping to get. So don’t say it’s a financial decision when you clearly had no intentions of ever keeping the guy.
I am a huge Habs fan and will support them no matter what, but I am really happy for Halak. He is leaving an organization that treated him like crap till the very end of his tenure with the Habs. It sounds like the St.Louis organization and fans are extremely happy and excited to have him now and he deserves to be somewhere where he’ll be appreciated,
Talking at and not discussing? Surely you aren’t talking about HIO.
dave – if we can unload hamrlik and AK46, we go after horton and sharp. cap wise it’ll be tight but do-able. we’ll need to give up picks and maybe a couple good prospects, but these two players can help us now and give us depth and versatility for a couple years. not the same risk as trading picks for mats sundin or some older player.
if we don’t re-sign pleks, maybe take a run at marleau but i’m worried about how he’ll play in high-pressure montreal. kovalchuck would be exciting but i’d rather horton and sharp for less money.
we then fill a couple spots with either pacioretty, trotter, desharnais (although i wouldn’t be surprised if we traded a couple of these guys for a big, established winger)
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Need some “cyber pacifiers” handed out…maybe a few poopie diapers changed…
sympathy for what, Tom? What am I trying to get sympathy for? Not following that logic.
I was asked in this thread and via email, to change my pic. I did out of respect for my fellow Habs Inside / Outers. Only reason.
Plus, I am only like 80% sure that baby is mine.
1) When asked directly if he had asked for a trade, Jaro replied, “That’s beween me, my agent and the organization”. It would have been easy to say no, at least if it was true. Suspect, at the least.
2) Contrasting pressures: a lot of goalies up this season driving prices down, a hot goalie driving prices up, who is RFA with arbitration. Arbitration may have ended with them paying more than they wanted (and losing pleks, if you care, or losing some big guy that you like, in other words). They took control of the situation on their terms.
3) Oh please, these guys are property. This wasn’t a coaching decision it was a management decision.
4) I haven’t read the article yet. It could be as others have speculated, too early given earthquakes on the coaching side. I have another theory but I’ll RTFA.
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You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.
You are sure that some of those criticizing the deal aren’t looking at the big picture or that your assessment of the situation is the only logical one that fits the “big picture”?
What picks were those?
Didn’t “pick” anything. All I said was that France was my team and the Germans always make the top 4. Never said this team or that team would beat this team or that team. This is all about you acting like a flea to regain the face you lost when I demolished a ridiculous post of yours some weeks back and we both know it.
Grow up, Stormy.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
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Agree. Nobody wants to be caught in this vortex without an iron clad, high paying, long term contract. Like Gomez. It’s all about the money.
FREE TIMO!
Nevermind Adam. I don’t expect you to be accountable. You are a weasel, and that has nothing to do with your opinions. It has everything to do with the way you instigate and play the innocent victim after you’ve been exposed. It happens every time I’m here.
You look forward to the Habs going further in the regular season? Pretty sure it’s capped at 82 games.
Treated him like crap? They drafted him, groomed him through through minors, brought him along slowly (as everyone thinks should have been done with Price, btw) promoted him to the Habs, and gave him the chance to earn the starter role through the playoffs… and now he’s in line to earn the biggest paycheque of his life.
Hell, I wish that I would be “mistreated” by my employer like that!
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I’m with you…I posted earlier that you could not pay be enough money to walk in Carey Price’s shoes for the next year or two.
Okay, maybe that is a lie…if you gave me Ovechkin like money, I’d think about it!
Regardless, he’ll take the money and then run for saner pastures as soon as his UFA status comes up. I wouldn’t hold my breath expecting to see any announcement of a long-term contract extension coming for Carey Price. He’s just got to gut it out until he’s 27 and then he’s outta here.
How can Halak prove he is a number 1, when you didn’t give him any chance to do so? If you look at his track record and what he has done his whole life, with constant improvement and a super work ethic, he has shown more than enough to be signed and to be looked at for a longer period. I mean after what he did this season and what you’ve seen from Price the past year and a half or so, you’ve got to be insane to dump him for next to nothing. Most experts weighing in think this was a donkey move. You know why? Because it is.
It’s almost time for me to pull out the “Group Hugs This Way” sign.
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In any profession, if you could do your job for equivalent comp with 2/3s less bullshit somewhere else, wouldn’t you go?
Hey man, just puttin it out there, gotta keep things fresh haha
The Roy trade analogy has another side.
Let’s just say that this DOES have the potential to be similar to the Thibault trade. The Montreal Canadiens are handing the keys to a highly-regarded young goalie that had some early success in his NHL career combined with stellar junior credentials.
But Price has already demonstrated tendencies towards the thin skin to criticism and expectations that plagued Jocelyn Thibault’s career in Montreal.
My point is that a number of posters are focusing on a “Halak’s gone, we’re screwed ” point of view rather than rationally thinking through the situation. Way too much knee-jerk reaction here.
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Good ideas in your piece Chris. I like moving the Ks. Not so sure about moving Hamrlik right away (until Markov is back) but if the right deal were to come along then yes.
Let’s just move on FFS. I loved Koivu too but I stopped kvetching about that one within a few hours.
FREE TIMO!
Meh, dont take life too seriously.
Im just havin a little fun on a boring friday morning.
and apparently BG and PG both have ESP because they knew what halaks salary demands would be without ever asking him
Besides, the team halak/team price BS and the pipedream trade proposals i keep reading here are getting a little old no?
As an aspiring condescending douche nozzle, I find your reply insulting.
Nice one, BTW. I am SO borrowing it.
I’m thinking we need a post-mortem beer on or around July 1st to discuss. I’ll send out an email tonight to suss out the mood among the Usual Suspects.
At least in that message, he did not say that either goalie was superior or inferior. That’s just not what he said. (Elsewhere? I don’t know).
I also look forward to our team doing well this year. If you’re saying that anything less than getting to an ECF is a total and complete failure then I think you’re being deliberately obtuse.
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You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.
Easy there Dumbhead. I want a full-court Halak tribute from you by the end of the morning.
Buddy it does not matter if he was not given the chance to be the full time #1 or not…Fact is he was NOT the #1 ever. So to make #1 money is ridiculous and that is what he will make! He has proven nothing! Fact!
Halak will get 5+ mill, simply because he’s alot better than Kari Lethonen who just singed for 3.9 mill per year. Enough said….
Remember Theo, LEAGUE mvp, well he’s sucked since.
Andrew Raycroft, LEAGUE rookie of the year, well he’s sucked since.
Huet, we went crazy wehn we traded him for 2nd round pick, well he’s sucked since.
Steve Mason, LEAGUE rookie of the year 2 years ago, terrible year last season.
Want more example of why we shouldn’t shoot 5+ mill at someone who’s played at a level he’ll never play at again? Martin Brodeur can’t even play that good for too long. Halak did it for a month, then was exposed in the Philly series.
I guess it’s worth a 25 mill contract thoug…
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I’ll start working on the “Condescending Douche-Nozzles This Way” sign…
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Dave & Chris, how would you feel if we somehow traded Hamrlik, if instead of Sharp AND Horton we got Sharp OR Horton and signed Paul Martin?
Couldnt agree more. I think its absolutely deplorable that ”fans” booed a 22 year old. Just looking at some of the trade proposals on this site makes you realize how ludicrous the expectations of the habs fan base are.
That would be ideal but I would settle for either one as I don;t see how we could possibly land both as they would both require trades as neither is a UFA and we simply do not have the assets now that our goalie card is gone. I would prefer Sharp for his versatility, leadership and better work ethic personally. Sharp will be in higher demand though I would think…hard to say I guess.
OK, douche nozzle is now my new favourite, replacing f***wit. Thanks!
I am 100% accountable for my posts. I debate without taking grade school pot shots at other users when I feel “threatened”. How exactly do a play the victim? You insult users personally – I call you out on it – its a simple cycle.
Not too impressed with Martin, but the comedy of it would have been classic had this been going on a few years earlier with the headlines you could’ve run for wins and losses saying it was Paul Martin’s fault.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Keep that tin foil on your head, BG can read your mind too.
I think thats exactly the reason the habs accepted to take eller and didnt demand the blues first round pick in 2010. They wanted to have a contingency plan for their 2nd line center in the event that they couldn’t re-sign plekanec, and couldnt fill the gap via free agency (Marleau). Theres more chance that Eller could step into the line-up immediately, than a prospect they would have drafted with the blues 1st round pick this year.
Oops… double.
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By trading Halak, they just put millions of dollars in his back pocket that the Habs couldn’t afford to pay him if he were to stay in Montreal. If I’m Halak, that sounds like a good deal to me.
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It does not matter who stays. It does not matter who goes. The System is The System and it matters not who JM uses to implement it. Now that the Habs have experienced a truly massive gelling over the ’09-’10 campaign, the road to the Cup next year has appeared like the parting of the Red Sea. All hail PG, JM and the glorious slimmed-down scouting staff!
Can we all relax. We have some gritty prospects. After 2-3 seasons of lottery picks the Habs will be in a great postition to make a run for the Cup in 2017.
Happy days for you, Double H! The Goat has begun tanking already!
The St. Louis Today article is good to get a perspective on how shocked and thrilled they are in St. Louis. But the article ends on a cautious reminder of St. Louis’ goalies past:
“Through the years the Blues have tried every conceivable type of
goaltender: young, old, gimpy, healthy, surgically repaired,
hard-drinking, cheap, expensive. Goaltenders who flopped or stood tall.
Goaltenders who were black, white, Canadian, recycled, American,
minor-league, Czech, tall, short, acrobatic, stiff, confident, scared,
overrated, overpaid. None were able to stick around long enough to come close to lifting the
Stanley Cup. Halak is the latest to enter that haunted space between
the pipes to lead Armstrong’s new army.”
Still, the rest of that artilce reads mainly like they can’t believe their luck.
i disagree. I don’t think it’s like daycare at all. More like special ed.
Red Fisher has become the Helen Thomas of sports journalism, a harping Cassandra who needs to give up his chair. Robert L is the only one talking any sense here.
“arrest this girl, her hitler hairdo, is making me feel ill”
Hahah. Which one of you posted this?
I agreee with Red’s article.
I just hope that Price will have taken notes from how Halak has fought and battled through his career to get to the top and that hard work does pay off. Hopefully this will be the wake up call for Price to realise that he has to perform now and not keep falling back on BG if things go wrong.
Deep down I knew they would trade Halak and keep BG’s poster boy 1st round pick, the thing that has peed me off the most is the lack of respect and class PG and back room staff have shown towards Halak, yet all Halak has been is a class act on and off the ice. As red said in his article he has brought a lot more revenue than the canadiens could have imagined before the start of the season and really at the end no one would have thought they would do what they did. Yet not even a thanks to Jaro. If the gamble on Price fails next season PG has to take some of the blame. I hope price does well for the teams sake and his sake, i was never one to get into the goalie debate, although i swayed towards Halak as he was the prime example of an under dog that came good no matter what was put in front of him and Price’s earlier attitude annoyed me to start, hopefully this more ‘mature’ Price we are hearing about will show next season.
Thank you #41 for the memories
Ouch! way to go Debbie Downer…..everytiem I hear the phrase “the System” and think about JM at the helm I start to twitch repeatedly adn then suck my thumb…..that is perhaps mybiggest problem with JM….but I ahve had some time to think about what he was up to last year and during the playoffs. While I was disgusted with his handling of the young players and how that affected our chances to pulloff a miracle run I think it will pay off longer term…..he ruled with an iron fist and big ears. It was his way or splinter ass and seeing how the vets all bought into it ….well it is safe to say that there has been a serious change in culture in Montreal….one that rewards hard work (unless your name is Andrei and you are a descendant of Frankenstein…not named Sergei…..descendants named Sergei are bad,,,,verrry, verrry bad Jerry!). The work hard mentality is good going forward although I do question JM’s ability to lead us when we are doneour turnover and the loss of Boucher hurts in that respect. We are trying to pplay a respnsible game and one that is built around hard work and smart hockey…boring? you betch…but once we actually have the horses to change our style…and all the laziness, prima donna attitudes, and dead wight is removed it will be better. Until then it is painful…..sometimes excruciatingly so….but long term it amy have been the right move….sure hope so because at first glance and as I thought when the season and playoffs were still happpening we were destroying the confidence of our young potential. However, when I look to next season and beyond…..I think all of those players will work harder and smarter…..ojce the season starts I will again frustrated when talent is forced to be pierced by hockey pant penetrating splinters, and games and pioints are cast aside in the name of education and discipline….but in my heart of hearts….I know they will be better for it. JM is like that nasty teacher who made you change you r ways and you hated every day…..until you had kids and realized he was trying to help you…and likely did….but man is he hateable at the time!
Ouch! way to go Debbie Downer…..every time I hear the phrase “the System” and think about JM at the helm I start to twitch repeatedly and then suck my thumb…..that is perhaps mybiggest problem with JM….but I have had some time to think about what he was up to last year and during the playoffs. While I was disgusted with his handling of the young players and how that affected our chances to pull off a miracle run I think it will pay off longer term…..he ruled with an iron fist and big ears. It was his way or splinter ass and seeing how the vets all bought into it ….well it is safe to say that there has been a serious change in culture in Montreal….one that rewards hard work (unless your name is Andrei and you are a descendant of Frankenstein…not named Sergei…..descendants named Sergei are bad,,,,verrry, verrry bad Jerry!). The work hard mentality is good going forward although I do question JM’s ability to lead us when we are done our turnover and the loss of Boucher hurts in that respect.
We are trying to play a respnsible game and one that is built around hard work and smart hockey…boring? you betch…but once we actually have the horses to change our style…and all the laziness, prima donna attitudes, and dead weight is removed it will be better. Until then it is painful…..sometimes excruciatingly so….but long term it may have been the right move….sure hope so because at first glance and as I thought when the season and playoffs were still happpening we were destroying the confidence of our young potential. However, when I look to next season and beyond…..I think all of those players will work harder and smarter…..once the season starts I will again frustrated when talent is forced to be pierced by hockey pant penetrating splinters, and games and pioints are cast aside in the name of education and discipline….but in my heart of hearts….I know they will be better for it. JM is like that nasty teacher who made you change you r ways and you hated every day…..until you had kids and realized he was trying to help you…and likely did….but man is he hateable at the time!
Everyone thought MTL was doomed last season… and they end up in the eastern conference finals. So perhaps a little restraint is in order… you know… wait until they play a game or two before pissing all over the team…
But hey, what do I know…
Yeah, why talk sense here! I got called a “DUMBHEAD” by slovak for suggesting he get over it. There’s a lot of irrationality out there… very repetitive irrationality.
My money’s on Andy.
Brilliant!
There is all out panic right now and fear! Cool heads beware
They had to deal with Halak’s unclassy agent. That has nothing to do with Halak himself. They knew what they would have to pay based on Walsh, and they realized giving a guy who has a career high of ONLY 43 games in a regular season is NOT worth $4+ million a season…Walsh is no different from Boras. Many teams just do not want to deal with them, and this is part of the reason why they did not even bother to have discussions with this idiot of an agent.
Please remove one of your patented text bricks!
It would be funnier if it were original but a Leaf fan did the same thing last year on ebay.
tried to but some idiot…i mean bozo replied
Lets take a look/ask something from another angle:
Since we didn’t sign Halak, that means there’s 3-4 million in cap space that was previously assumed tied up to keep him on the roster.
Plekanec is also still up in the air, with from what I can gather from most people posting, we shouldn’t pay more than 4.5mil/season for him. Plus Lapierre and Moore aren’t signed.
Question is, with the extra cap breathing room that we have, who should we be setting our sights on?
If we can’t sign Plecky, and gamble with Eller as a 2nd line center, we’ve got 8 million to go after some people on the UFA market to fill gaps on the wings. Who’s available that you’d want to see in the CH if the chips fall that way?
Well Mission Accomplished for the canadiens PR department. Bob Gainey “stepped down”, his long-time assistant “stepped up”, and the media and fans are actually convinced that Pierre Gauthier is running the show. As long as BG is sitting next to Pierre Gauthier at every habs game, I will never be convinced that Pierre is the guy running the show. The habs never intended on getting rid of Carey Price, and because of the intense scrutiny Gainey was receiving from the fans, they made a PR move and essentially inserted a puppet. You saw just the way he was answering yesterday, that Pierre Gauthier didnt seem overly confident in his decision. I found it fishy how PG was immediately promoted when Bob “stepped down”, especially considering that new ownership now had an opportunity to insert fresh blood, and they didnt.
It may not be an accurate statement, but its my opinion, and its the way things look to me at this point, all things considered.
Sorry for that dumbhead, maybe it is better this way, Jaro got his team and management and fans that believe in him and that is all he wanted.
You are 100% correct…In that your statement is not accurate.
The Yanks are gettin bean-bagged!
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
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I just really hope the fans dont dump on Price, and actually support him.
He’s got the keys to the Bell Center yet again, so true fans should and WILL support him.
Nice goals by the Slovenians too!
I agree Walsh is a bit of retard
I’m betting you’ll be one of them. Stay home.
Was hoping to let Plekanec go and have Gomez, Eller, Moore, Lapierre as our centres. maybe invest in Marleau?
we’re such great fans…
You can’t win otherwise. The coach can’t win my imposing a system, either.
The PLAYERS use their skill and hockey sense to play the system. All credit cannot go to Boucher alone.
Sorry, we had 1 good goalie. The other has been a flop. Trade the flop, not the good 1. It’s simple.
I’ve seen the business of winning the Stanley Cup.
It’s called pay the best players to come play for your team. If you’re not willing to pay the players, nobody will play for you. If you have Wayne Gretzky, someone who will win you a Cup, and you don’t want to pay him, he will not play for you.
That’s business.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Stay Classy Tony, Stay Classy!
Wish you were Markov.
Everytime I visit this blog you are here, maybe you should consider to do something with your life instead of spending it in virtual world. There is so much beauty out there – just got yourself up from the chair…
Do you believe Price would be the deciding factor in every single one of those games? Probably you do. It’s not always about net
Not die, because thats just a little over the top, ill settle for disappear.
Practice? You’re talking about practice? Practice?
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Add Cammy as well.
Players say stuff like that when teams don’t perform well. It’s frustration and I guess you might’ve forgot about them hugging it out the ensuing practice.
Markov was clearly frustrated and we know the blame wasn’t solely on goaltending at the time. I’d still like to see us make some moves for our blue line.
Man do you just have this stuff typed out somewhere that you can just cut and paste from? If not, you should. It would save a lot of keystrokes.
The USA was robbed today, I couldn’t believe it. Although it wasn’t near as bad as what they did to South Africa a couple days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
not the game
I would absolutely love for Montreal to face St. Louis in the finals, and for it to go 7 games in an epic goaltending showdown. Montreal winning of course.
well said.
Mehhhhhhh, who needs to practice in basketball? Haha, what a joke of a sport.
But seriously, Price has changed his tune for the better and I think he deserves his shot.
This coming from the Halak lover…. That is rich. I have a very upper class life that gives me alot of time to try a reason with the likes of you. You need to go and make love to your Halak jersey, and head down to your local sports shop and buy a new jersey.
Teammates say that stuff to each other a thousand times a year but it doesn’t always get turned into a story because it happens so often and certain radio ‘personalities’ don’t float it to get attention for their show.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
I agree. Even considering his contributions in the playoffs, I still think a 2nd rounder for dominic moore as a rental was too much.
I can’t argue with that, that would rock, we would win the CUP!!!
So have you always been a Price hater or did you cheer for him when he being hailed as the next coming?
If we trade a ‘flop’ as you call him, what do we get back? Try to think of the bigger picture, wipe away the tears and I’m sure you will see the logic behind this move.
If not, keep hating Price and see where you end up…..cheer for the team G-Man, not the player.
“Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden
hahaha! “not the game…practice” x 20
XXIV…and counting
How would this look as a lineup for the start of the season?
Forward Lines:
Gionta(5mil)-Gomez(7.36 Mil)-Moen(1.5 Mil)
Frolov(Needs signed)-Plecks(Needs signed)-Cammy (6 Mil)
Laprierre(Needs signed)-Eller(1.3 Mil)-Pouliot(Needs signed)
Pyatt(Needs signed)-Moore(Needs signed)-Someone
Pyatt and Pouliot both earn small increases, probably 850k$ apeice
Moore resigns for ~1.2 million, Lapierre for roughly 1 to 1.2 million
Try and sign both Pleckanec and Frolov for 4.5 to 5 Million
Total up front: 34.26 to 35.26 Million plus a fourth liner
Defence:
Markov (5.75mil) – Georges (1.1 Mil)
Subban (Entry @ 800k)- Spacek (3.83 Mil)
O’Bryne (940k)- Gill(2.25 Mil)
Weber(875k)as 7th
Total: 15.43 Million
Goalie
Price (1 to 1.2 million)
Backup @ roughly the same
Total: 2.5 Million maximum
Total Salary : 52.18 Million to 53.18 million, depending on Frolov and Plecks
Granted….thats only if we can alleviate ourselves of Hammer’s contract and dump the Kost. Bros. and somehow sign both Frolov and Plecky, but it’s somethign to dream about huh?
I’m sitting here reading a lot of the posts here and elsewhere and I am blown away by the over reaction of some folks. It’s ridiculous.
I’m a fan. Not of Price, not of Halak, not of Gomez or Cammy or Gill but of the Montreal Canadiens. Halak was one piece of a large puzzle. Am I upset about the trade? No, but I wonder what the two young guys will bring to the table. Time will tell.
The Habs needed cap space. We have (had) two great goalies and as much as I wanted BOTH of them to stay, I knew the reality of the situation. You can’t create cap space and then fill it right back up with a marquee player. More deals will be done and again, this team will look different come the new season.
“Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden
How the hell did Chris Lee get to call the US/Slovenia game?
What I wannna know is, when are we gonna hear from Ellers and Schultz?
Dave?
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
What are the conditions/timing before Price will be in the same situation Halak was this year, meaning we would have to pay “market” value for him?
I can’t believe i’m hearing how the Habs organization mistreated Halak.
News flash it was the Habs that took him in the 9th round and molded him to what he became. No other organization took a chance with him.
It was the Habs who had faith in him that allowed them to unload Huet. If it wasn’t for the Habs this guy would still be playing in Slovakia for pnuts with awful guidance and training so if anyone should be thankful it should be Halak towards the Habs orgainization for one giving him the opportunity and the training he got to better his game… I do agree that you also have to have the drive and the passion to succeed and he displayed that and that he was of good character, but please save me the crap about how we mis-treated him….he should be giving the habs half his paycheque since they just raised his value on the market, no thanks to his stupid azz agent.
Don’t get me wrong I did appreciate all he did for the habs but then again its a business and thats the way the dice roll sometimes. I also believe it was a magical year for him just like say Tim Thomas, Raycroft, Theodore, and i’m sure there were others which had great years and then withered away, believe you and me he is no Brodeur or Roy.
I loved Halak and wish he had stayed.
But I see nothing wrong with stocking the minors with forward prospects, and as I said yesterday, it seems PG did that.
Though what I still don’t get is that it seems everyone says we NEED to stock the minors because the cupboard is bare down there. And yet we were in the league finals and had the best record in the dogs history. Musta’ been some coaching! Oh yeah…. uh, never mind.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
A straight up question for all you folks who think Price is the future. Lets say this season, Price, with the majority of the starts posts a record similar to last season (15 – 20 – 5).
Is he now considered a bust in your eyes – or do we give him a 5th season? My question is, how many more chances will Price get? How many chances do you think Price SHOULD get?
Sad to see Halak go, but really, haven’t we seen this movie before with Penney, Theo and Heut…one good year and we build them to be gods… had Halak started 0 and 5 next year, all the good will, right out the door with habs fans
good luck to jaro and thanks for the memories
Schultz was just on the radio. Said he’d try his best to fight Lucic.
Eller was on earlier this morning and they didn’t really get much out of him.
Blues Amateur Scout said that they had Eller 6th on their draft board back in ’07.
They’ve been reading this site and refuse to come out of hiding.
At least you all see,
how many emotions HALAK TRADE made
Are all of those angry people fools?
Are those experts, who say it was a bad trade fools?
Hockey is a heart game for fans, it is not business - people do not cheer for dollars.
They cheer for players and teams – what is wrong with that?
I want to cheer for someone, who showed heart for this team THERE ON THE ICE
I don’t cheer for hopes and fantasies
It is just sad – I loved to see Halak with this team,
Honestly – it is so hard for me to imagine, he will play elsewhere
But it is reality
Halak’s perception of the Habs org. and the fans’ perception of the organization is not the same. Why do you confuse them?
Sorry, the line forms to the right for the rational posts. It has been an eye-opening morning so far.
I think Red Fischer sums up how i feel quite nicely
22 year old bust? You need a mentor.
LOL @ the Lucic comment – did he really say that?
If Schultz makes it to the big club the fans will love him. I have seen him play some games here with the Hitmen I like what I see and the fact he is a leader and always steps in for a teammate.
Anyone who leaves the CH because of one player doesn’t deserve to be a fan anyway. Go become a Blues fan, we don’t need you. I support the logo on the front.
He just needs new diapers is all he has alot of poopie to deal with.
Habs fans, do we expect Eller to line up as our 3rd line center? If so, does this signal that Moore will not be back?
I hope so.
You two are quite the BFFs!
So Tom, you are saying that if Price has another poor year – he gets a 5th season?
Yep.
Marinaro said you can win over the fans by fighting Lucic because the last guy wouldn’t.
He said I’ll do my best to fight him.
so anyone who is upset and questions the trade is not a true habs fan?
You would do great in China.
Hockey is a business…
Whether you like it or not, it is. It’s played for the fans to enjoy, but in the end each fan will enjoy the product available to him/her due in large part to business related decisions….
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I never said that. I said that if because one player got traded, you no longer want to be a Habs fan then what kind of a fan are you. It’s about the team, the city, the history – not Jaroslav Halak.
Price will contain some value, no question. But as it was perhaps correct to “sell high” with Halak now, it is entirely possible that Price’s value will never be higher than it is now, when people are still willing to overlook a lot of his baggage in favour of his great potential.
At some point, potential has to translate into results or you are just a bust. And busts (see Benoit Pouliot) don’t carry a tremendous amount of value…you might get somebody else’s problem in return, but that is about it.
i believe you misread what he said. His message was more along the lines of, if you STOP cheering for the Habs because one player got traded, then you’re not a true fan. Questioning and being upset is always an option. But true fans will find that, inspite of being upset, as with family, you always know where your home is.
I’d rather Moore stayed on, purely so that 2nd-rounder wasn’t a 3-month rental of Moore. Eller may benefit from taking some time in the AHL with the Bulldogs, albeit if he has a great camp and pre-season, you can’t ignore that either. With Pyatt and White also looking to jump up to the show and possibly bringing over Andreas Engqvist as well though, there could probably not be a place for Moore if Eller is ready for the NHL.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
There really is no end to your stupidity. Price, to date, has yet to have a bad season. What second, third, fourth chances are you talking about?
Halak came in and played lights out. He did what a backup is supposed to do. He pushed the number one guy and stole the job by playing great. Halak’s great play, which was inconsistent I might add, was better than Price’s good play. That made Halak the best option down the stretch and into the playoffs. It doesn’t mean that Price played poorly at all.
Do you remember saying that Price was fighting the puck following a 3 game stretch where he made over 110 saves on 116 shots?
Because I do. Halak playing incredibly well didn’t mean Price was playing poorly, that assumption was the most common mistake in this forum from the month of November through the last game of the season.
you are so wrong
Did you ever see business winning Stanley Cup?
I don’t but I saw heart, sacrifice, teamplay, skills, hardwork, etc. etc. winning it…
yeah you’re right…its the fans that think the organization was horrible to him…he’s a big boy he’ll be fine. I also get a feeling that he was happy being a hab and is kind of upset but i’m sure if it came down to negotiating he wouldn’t take a pay cut.
i’m just upset with majority of the fans thinking that he was mistreated thats all…come on folks move on it was just a matter of when and what we would get in return
Chris, before this post gets buried…you are making very valid points below about Roy and the pressures of Montreal, Thibault etc and I think it is ovbvious that becomes the concern immediately. BUT and this is a big BUT…..even if it should come to that Price will likely still be seen in the same light by other GM’s and Montreal will be considered responsible and he will still have every bit the trade value he does today….would Halak? I think that was also a factor here they would have discussed…..the whole sell high thing. Combine that with all of the other positives being bandied about and it amkes sense. Your concerns are like mine and many and they are very, very real…but I think they only pertain to Price the goaltender in Montreal and not necesarily Price the asset for the Montreal Canadiens and this was clearly a business and organizational decision and not a slight against Jaro….not that you are implying that.
I am hoping Yann Danis is the backup we sign — he’s affordable, played well behind Brodeur last year, knows his role, has experience, and is a homeboy.
You would “do great” with a bit of reading comprehension.
—– “Come on, let’s keep a little optimism here.” — Han Solo, Return of the Jedi
Pacioretty, White, Eller, Engqvist, Trotter and Maxwell will be given chances to make the club and play key roles in my opinion, barring any trades of course.
Man, the Red Fisher article is SCATHING! Go Red!
The worst trade since Roy?!
This nightmare of a trade came out of the blue. There was no reason for
it. Gauthier’s suggestion in his conference call that “the Canadiens
have two excellent goaltenders and only one could be retained” sounded
little more than a call for help when none was needed. Since Gauthier
thinks so highly of Price, then the only way to go was to retain both,
no matter what.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
While Halak holds a special place close to our hearts, I don’t think all this outrage is about just one player. I think many are frustrated with the organization.
I don’t live in city and I don’t know the history but I know the team and the big part of that team was Halak.
So why it is so hard for you to realize that all emotions right now are right and people don’t want to follow shittt management.
And people have right to think it was another bad mistake. How many mistakes would you tolerate?
Who pays the salary of those players with ”heart, sacrifice, teamplay, skills, hardwork, etc. etc.”? Owners with deep pockets obtained from… wait…. wait …. wait for it… smart business decisions.
Ever notice you watch your Habs games from the Bell Centre? That’s named after a business you might have heard of…
Well it’s good to see that hysteria and panic are still reigning supreme. Thus, I give you this photo of our newest player to help lighten the mood a little bit:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/RGM81/Habs%20PC/LarFousEller.jpg
—– “Come on, let’s keep a little optimism here.” — Han Solo, Return of the Jedi
I agree. But if the team is going down bungle-lane again… man, it’s going to be hard to hang on. The late 90′s were DEPRESSING, and the shit-storm that was started with the same sort of “we like this guy, not that guy” thinking. I’m not sure that you can really back this up as a “hockey decision”.
We SAW hockey this year, played in our net by one Jaroslav Halak. We saw another goalie – who at times is brilliant – just as often shit the bed. They’re 2 years apart in age. I won’t go all hairy about it, but I still don’t see it and so far what I’ve seen this past month sends up red flags for me.
We’re playing “stay the course”. Except for Halak who pretty much WAS the course but colided with our annointed ‘saviour’. Barf.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Did anyone happen to watch Ian Schultz’s fights yet?
I haven’t really seen him lose any and he’s knocked down a few guys in the process.
He’s got leadership skills (being the co-captain of the Calgary Hitment, a team that Ryan White played for aswell) and he’s got a power forward’s offensive up-side.
I’ll be the first on the Schultz bandwagon.
I suspect Pacioretty needs to spend 10-11 in the AHL, no disrespect to him but he spent a good portion of his time in Hamilton last year injured and didn’t really get a chance to play and work on his game. Maxwell I’m unsure if he’ll never make the NHL as he is and Trotter’s size isn’t a big appeal to this club and their lack of it up front. White, Eller, Engqvist I think are most likely to get NHL work.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Yahhhhh, dude! I’m playin’ musi… hockey for the Habs maaaaan!
Oh you’re back Tony! Let me guess, your last adventure had you discover that the Earth is square, Boivin is really James Bond and Jacques Martin is really M.
Are all of those angry people fools?
Yes.
To be over the top angry about this is nuts.
i have the utmost respect for Mr. Fischer and his contributions to both journalism and this hockey club. However, i must admit that i have found little of anything he’s written lately to be of any real value.
If Price is still the same as past 3 years, what is the plan B for goaltending situation for Habs?
Add McIlrath at the draft and that would be quite the potent combination. Don’t like the fights but if we’re going to have to get into the street fights with the Loafs and Flyers might as well bring something to them.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
We all know there were Price camps and Halak camps, but seriously some of you Price Fan-boys need to relax a little on the Halakites and grow up.
Myself included was a huge fan or Jaro, but no player is bigger than the CH (i.e. Roy), but put yourselves in their shoes, if it was Price traded, how would you react? IT has not even been 1 day, yes there will be knee-jerk reactions but some of you Price Lovers need to re-read what you post, because most of it, does not make sense
I am 100% behind Carey, I want him to be the best and win the Vezina this year. But first and foremost, I want the Habs to WIN A F’N CUP!!!
Carey, this is your team now, we know what you are capable of, now just go out there and do it!
GO HABS GO!
Sorry to interrupt the mourning, but there was some excitement at the world cup today wasn’t there?
Come on Algeria, make it three.
Count me as 2nd, man I love those PIM he brings
I remember reading (Pierre Lebrun I think) that fights might entail an automatic expulsion and suspension next year. If so, no use having a fighter on your team.
I would hope they can bring back Moore and keep the Moen-Moore-Max line together as the third (shutdown) line. Then we could have Eller centre the fourth line with Pyatt and White (or Maxwell or MaxPac even) as the fourth energy line. That gives Eller a chance to ease into the team (if he makes the team). And if Eller is the hard forechecker that the reports say he is, then he would add a scoring touch to the grinders White and Pyatt.
What I’m high on about this kid is the fact that he can develop into a netcrashing goon like Byfuglien.
Business takes part of it yes
but the game itself is not business
You can have great players and bought skills, when you don’t have chemistry, heart, sacrifice, teamplay, hardwork, etc. etc.
Bettman needs to die.
I think they’ll give Pacioretty a shot to play with Gomez and Gionta.
On prospects. I think Trotter and Weber could fetch a good ransom and wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen.
With due respect you are also missing the point. Many of us are devastated by the loss of Halak that is true, but the greater frustration is with the litany of missteps by this current management team. If it was a single instance of mismanagement we could forget and move on.
There continues to be no clear defined indication of a long term plan to achieve the ultimate goal of the Cup. The culture of arrogance and lack of class continues.
I said when the Molson brothers became owners that the changes had to start at the TOP for anything positive to occur. Sadly the status quo remains.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
I think you’re right about that.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Where do you think young prospects come from? The magical rookie fairy?
After watching the US/Slovenia game, the NHLOA has nothing on the guys in FIFA!
Doubt that’s going to happen, much as I don’t like it, the fights are here to stay and the crowds do like them.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
How about that? All us old farts know a crappy trade when its lying on the sidewalk like that in plain view.
no, no, no! Boivin is really Blofeld, Gainey is LeChiff and MArtin is Rosa Kreb
Know your Bond, Nickle, Know your Bond
See what goes on there I suppose, wouldn’t surprise me if we moved a couple prospects that don’t fit in with our needs.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Okay, i think this fan went just a little overboard. Yes, Halak got traded. Yes, this could easily be one of the stupidest decisions made by Pierre. But that’s just it, it was Pierre’s decision, not the team’s! Why would you give up on your team because of a GM’s choice??
When that Toronto fan sold his allegiance, it made sense: the team sucked and they weren’t giving him anything to cheer for. That could hardly be said about the Habs…
One trade is not the end of the world, or the team. This guy needs to cool off and reassess his decision before he decides to abandon a team he’s supposedly so devoted to…
Can someone tell me again why the Bulldogs did so well this year when there are few decent prospects in our system?
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Ditto. An emotional manifesto so far removed from journalism it makes me cringe.
Who decides - what is over the top angry?
Nothing in here is objective…
Taking out fights would be a huge mistake. It’s already bad enough that there is one of the supidest rules in the NHL today which is the instigator.
I don’t want to see cowards like Dan Carcillo taking runs at players and not suffer the wrath of other players that would potentially avenge their teammates.
Newflash Halak is gone not with this hockey team anymore. I hope you can move on with your life.
BEcause they had a coach who was able to get the most of them, and they played a strong team game.
And now that coach is going to be working miracles for the lightning and their young core.
more schoolyard insults. Embarrassing.
Price was 15 – 20 -5 while his counterpart was 26 – 12 – 2 with the same group of men in front. If that is not a bad season, what is?
IMO his inconsistent play cost the team. You can stop 50 shots, but if the 51st is a weak floater from the blue line – it completely deflates the bench. You know this – your a coach.
Halak outworked and outperformed Price in every statistical catagory. History will show we backed the wrong hourse (just like in 1995). In “debating” with you – your only argument to keep Price was his 2007 AHL cup run and a handful of shot ratios from a stretch where he didnt win a game.
I know no one will believe this – but I really do hope I am wrong. I mean, he was an ALL STAR.
I love how we seem to be so focused on the least relevant position in this years Stanley cup finals…why can’t we get riled up over getting our offensive corps being able to roll 4 lines so we can play deep into the playoffs? Our goalie saved us this year, but the finalists won on depth outside the net and mediocre tending.
People should be getting riled up if we don’t sign enough forwards IMO.
Rather not, because we’d have to talk about Boucher.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
It’s going to be a tough new season since Carey Price has only TWO supports in this organization: PG and Hal Gill.
We have far more talent in the organization now than we did in the late nineties.
they can play 6 man powerplay all the time
Because its the AHL.
The players bought into their coach’s system.
Still, some players are very good in the AHL level and we’ve had a few show that; Desharnais, Trotter, White, Glumac, Maxwell, Desjardins*, etc.
*Desjardins, I believe, deserves a shot as backup if we don’t bring any veteran experience behind Price next year. He is a very good young goaltender who plays his position well and plays a composed game.
As for the other guys, we DO have some talent in the AHL, they just need to bring it to the next level.
Alot of the commentors are saying that eller would be an addition down the middle, that he plays center. If you look at his profile he can also play the wing(tsn.ca). If the habs sign plekanec, eller could play on the wing with pleks and cammy, clearing the way for the habs to get rid of Kostitsyn and his contract. I for one would prefer to have Eller on the wing. getting rid of A. Kostitsyn would prob land us a prospect, not to mention give us another 3.25 million to go out and sign a winger like Frolov or some depth tough guys with upside like David Clarkson or Colby Armstrong. All of the players previously mentioned are all players we need, while having two good goalies is an bonus, but hardly needed. Sure, Halak was our savior and hero in the playoffs, but don’t forget this team also finished 25th in scoring last year. We need forwards more than we need goalies and defencemen right now. i think Gauthier did the right thing.
Might as well keep the kettle boiling huh?
Makes the Toddster appear lucid by comparison.
I hope you understand the draft is coming up, Have a feeling a deal or two will be made. July 1 also should be some movement. So just relax enjoy the summer and lets see what happens if the Habs miss the playoffs you can be the first to tell us all that trading Halak was wrong.
I think the main message to the montreal canadiens today is that they wont have a lights out goaltender to bail them out anymore. If they want to win, they will have to outwork their opponents and score goals. Our goals per game last season was 25th in the league at 2.56, not good enough.
Its time this team learns to win as a team, just like chicago and philly did. Carey could certainly deliver at the same level as Niemi and Leighton, the team in front of him just didnt play well enough when he was in nets to get the W’s.
I believe in the kid.
I believe in hard work and from what we all heard, he was pulling his weight around in practice AND he was supportive of the team.
He got the attitude check he so desperately needed and that makes me a fan all over again.
I say give the kid a chance before rampaging around St-Catherine’s and destroying some poor shlub’s car.
The players bought into their coach’s system
Sounds familiar…
Lame. Let it go.
Thanks for everything Timo!
Ovechkin: Two-Time Hart Trophy and Pearson winner, Art Ross, Rocket Richard 2x and Calder Trophy. 269 goals in 396 career games, the most talented goal scorer in the world. 529 career points, practically indestructible body so far in his career.
Crosby: Hart winner, Art Ross, Pearson and a Rocket Richard with his First 50-goal season this year, 506 points in 371 career games, Stanley Cup winner, Olympic Gold Medalist, 82 points in 52 career playoff games.
You want to run Halak against the two best players in the world?
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
That rarely if ever happens though…the swooping in…..if that were the case teams would have lined up to snag Dubinsky who got hosed by the Rangers…every now and then it happens..usualyl RBian Burke is on one end of it or another but I think Price will liekey sign a 2 year deal for about 5.
Like I said: at least we’re not like your leafs, Tony. You know, cryin and gripin about how the olden days were sooo much better cuz then, you had a reason to LIVE. Unlike you have now.
Which is why leafers, feelin ridiculous at bashing their OWN dead horse, feel a sense of satisfaction at kickin ours, vicariously living the thrill of a team WITH expectations as opposed to your beloved leafs without.
And that’s important to us, Tony. You’re always welcome here, far as I’m concerned. Your Toronto despair brightens up my day.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
Halak and “piece of garbage”? You seriously need to grow up dude. This is coming from a 17 year old.
I have no problem with your love of Carey Price, but to denigrate the player who was most responsible for bringing the greatest joy either you or I have had in our lifetimes as Hab fans is sad.
Be happy for your man, but try to be gracious to a pretty good goalie and humble man in Halak.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Robert Mayer may be getting kicked up to the AHL after helping the Cincinatti Cyclones win the Kelly Cup in the ECHL, so there might not be room for Simila and the guy was just drafted in the 7th round of 2009, goalie development takes time, Halak was a 9th-rounder from 2003 after all.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Clearly it was not a blues fan, since the singer said “we need him” and talks about what “we” did during his playoff run. Nice try, though.
If Halak were german would you feel as strongly?
He said that months BEFORE the playoffs. Opinions can change with time and new information. Nothing is cast in stone and Scotty is not the final arbitrator of talent.
If Scotty is so brilliant then maybe Geoff Molson should have made him GM.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Again, what picks? (check out my reply to you on pg3)
Never picked anything. You now have to CONSTRUCT opposition from me just to refute it. You’re flailing badly now, Stormy, for you’re reduced to lying, which I would think would be beneath even you.
Never “picked” anything.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
I prefer chicken, you?
I think you’re mistaking how low class you are with how Scotty Bowman would choose to behave.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Listen, a-hole, the Habs had a group of players dedicated to winning. The Habs were 2 scorers short of the Cup Final. Now, they are 2 scorers short AND a goalie. Price has amply demonstrated how much of a “two-bit” goalie he is for 3 seasons. Enough, already.
I still like the deal Burke made to acquire Kessel. He can play. In hindsight, who would’ve guessed the leafs would suck so bad tho.
Having said that, I would rather trade Jaro then give him a 5M$ a year contract to be the backup like Thomas … or 4M for Ryder … Bruins are a joke as a franchise … these past series proved it.
Hmmmmm…let’s see.
Halak vs Crosby……Halak win
Halak vs Ovechkin…..Halak win
Next?
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
You’ve just convinced me that you’re a retarded prick.
Blues fans are setting this as their ringtones
Find me a GM in the league who would take Halak over Ovechkin or Crosby.
I’ll wait.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Actually they are 2 scorers short and 1 set-up man short. Or is it 2 scorers smurf and 1 set-up man smurf?
If Halak was Mongol would you ask me the same question?
It is rare, but with more teams cap-pinched and therefore unwilling to sacrifice their own young and cheap assets, I think the RFA tender sheets are going to become more commonplace.
After seeing no offer sheets from 1998-2006, they have started to come en vogue again: David Backes, Steve Bernier, Thomas Vanek, Dustin Penner and Ryan Kesler have all been offered contracts as RFA’s since 2006, with only Penner signing with a new team.
Bugs dont get your tail in a puff. I have no need to lie about who you cheer for, Les Bleues lost huge and so did Germany. I may add when Germany beat the Roos you were all up in arms how you were right and I was wrong about how far Germany would go.
I don’t think Price gets an offer sheet purely because there are other guys that could probably be cheaply acquired via trades (2nd round picks) without creating ill-will amongst the GM’s. Just wanted to point out that the understanding of how the RFA system works was a little lacking for some of the posts I’ve seen today.
None of course, but we both know that. My point is that even the two best players in the world can be thwarted by a goalie. Every team’s greatest fear is coming up against a hot goalie. Why? Because in hockey the ONE player that can most dictate the outcome of a game or series is the goalie.
That is why the loss of Halak COULD be a huge mistake. If Price lives up to his enormous potential then all is good. I just worry about the tremendous pressure he now faces and how losing Halak makes the team better.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
The only people who don’t know hockey are those who accuse others of not knowing hockey.
And leafers.
You have now clearly identified yourself as both.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
Tony, please watch these videos. You’ve done nothing but criticize players you don’t even know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjtiFYOegZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdPY2GkwRmo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hFe0JucDWU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZsPV9TooM&feature=related
First of all, it’s Les Bleus, not Les Bleues.
Secondly, I was never “up in arms about being right and you wrong” over Germany’s victory. That’s a total lie. I said I was still trying to get over you saying that with all their injuries, they didn’t stand a chance, in relation to that victory. That’s what I said. Correct?
Here is further proof of your need to fabricate in order to support your incessant nagging of me for having made you lose face a coupla weeks ago.
Which I now sincerely regret…
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
They can be, but how often? Tony is a crank and made a ridiculous comparison of how we were letting our team’s version of Ovechkin or Crosby walk. Halak had a great year, brilliant even, but that was 1 year, weighed against guys who have been dominating the NHL since they touched the ice 5 years ago and routinely duel for the title as the world’s best player.
Great goaltending is excellent to have, but goaltending has been so up and down around the league and the inflated value that Halak was on because of the idiot contracts awarded to Rinne and Lehtonen had the team in a bind, and other contracts before that as well. It was a hard financial decision to face, we’ll see if it works out I guess but comparing Halak to the two biggest names in the NHL was hyperbole.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
A fair request. I hope Tony gives a fair reply.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Who cares about Tony
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
According to TSN, the Oilers are considering all offers for the number one pick in the draft. Putting yourself in PG’s shoes, what would you offer the Oil to entice them to give up the 1st pick?
A player becomes a UFA when he has 5 or more accrued seasons. I believe this is will be the FOURTH season coming up for Price. HOW DO YOU GET FOUR MORE YEARS!
Ever hear of Pleks dude? He challenged his contract offer last year.
Negotiating power? Price is the de facto starter and his salary will be similar to what the market is paying goalies in similar positions. THAT IS HOW ARBITRATION WORKS!
YOU THINK YOU KNOW SOMETHING BUT IN REALITY KNOW NOTHING.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
I took what’s written above from an NHL.COM forum….
Knowing Habs fan all too well, you guys will all go watch video’s of Eller now and think he’s a 30+ goalscorer. Then when he makes the team next year, he’ll be hyped up so much that when he goes into a normal little slump, you’ll throw him under the bus like you guys do with all our young prospects, and say he will only succeed playing in another city…….
I love Hab fan, I love you guys…
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
The Ducks just signed Chipchura to a one-year deal. Always felt bad about Chips…never fully recovered from that injury, could’ve been a good one
The K’s, our 1st, Yannick Weber.
Hey Chris-
all of this is true, of course- your homework is impeccable- but the same factors that drove down Halak’s trade value (the perceived surplus of quality goalies) are also going to make it unlikely that Price gets a $3 million offer sheet… not when cheaper options are available as UFAs.
No package is workable that doesn’t sink this team into a deep rebuild scenario.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
They’d want Subban + another + picks
I’d never do it.
I’m not sure that the fact that Schultz can fight makes me feel any better about losing Halak. I mean I would have loved to see him deck Crosby one, but….
Halak and…oh, wait a minute…damn!
XXIV…and counting
Tambellini would get lynched if he even listened to that offer!
XXIV…and counting
As far as trade talks go, The K brothers are going to be awfully hard to get rid off. It’s rather ridiculous to think that we are going to be able to dump our problem players on an unsuspecting GM and receive a great return. Especially with AK’s contract. The reason we pretty much all want to get rid of them is that they suck…unfortunately other GMs, one would assume, know that as well.
Not many teams have gone the offer sheet route because they look as it as a bit dirty and don’t want it to happen to them. That being said, most teams do not want to pay Price $3M just yet, let alone give up draft picks, not to mention many teams are up against the Cap, unless they are weaker teams, in which case Price is unlikely to accept the offer anyway.
I think Price signs a 5 year contract at reasonable numbers (probably starting low and going up) in the near future.
Go Habs Go!!
SHOCKER. i dont get it, price was to be traded over a year ago to tampa for vinny but the league stopped it. price said bad things about his teammates that got them pissed and the team didnt play for him when he was in. the tin man price has no heart is too calm and no warrior in him. so we keep price and trade yaro?
on the other hand remember HUET , he had flashes of brillance playing over his head thinking he was a starter ,chi took a gamble he was paid huge and then huet crashed back to life and his normal level sticking chi with a huge contract and a goalie they cant move because of his huge money deal. huets carrer could be over soon as a result.two sides to the coin.
hope gauthiers right if not the city will call for his throat next season if price pulls a fade.
Well now that we will be saving some coin on goaltending, Mr. Gauthier had better bring in some goal scoring. Bottom line is we relied way too much on goaltending to carry us to victory. I believe Montreal finished dead last in five on five scoring this past season, that is the issue Mr. Gauthier needs to address most.
Upon further reading, I’m definitely looking forward to seeing this Eller kid in action. He will likely start the year in Hamilton, but he could dominate in training camp and make that decision a hard one. I like that he has a good amount of size to him already, but certainly has room to grow. Shultz is an intriguing one as well, I’m interested to see what he can bring as well. Hopefully we can get a taste of them in some preseason games.
This morning Lars Eller said.
I’m going to be given the chance to make the NHL roster and that’s up to me.
How refreshing is it to hear a young player say that it’s up to him to make the team? Very in my opinion.
You all cried and whined when Gainey named Jacques Martin the coach, acquired Gomez (and some guy named Pyatt) and signed Cammalleri, Gionta, Gill, Moen and Spacek. Look how that turned out!
Actually, that is a huge oversimplification. I’d say the site was 75% weirded out by the Gomez deal, but for the rest, I’d say it was an even 50% split in terms of opinion, and most of the sadness was over players we dropped rather than argument over the ones we picked up. Luckily, pretty much all of the new guys panned out, which is awesome.
I agree that endless complaining is productive- but the deal is less than 24 hours old and people do have the right to vent. That’s what the gorram site is all about.
Also, calling people “babybrain” because they disagree with you is kind of juvenile. But perhaps that makes me a petulant babybrain?
GET FROLOV
The best deals are the ones where the player and the organization are both satisfied. To offer Carey 850K+10% would be a slap in the face.
While it is a buyer’s market this year for goaltending, the market for scoring forwards is so weak that the Canadiens might be able to get a deal done because the few scoring forwards around will be collecting 1-2 million over their worth and a team might prefer to trade for someone who’s down on his luck but is a safer cap hit and gives them the opportunity to turn a guy around without breaking the bank.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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Get rid of two of our biggest problems, a defenceman who has yet to live up to potential and a lower first-round pick in exchange for Taylor Hall…..I’m all for it!
Unfortunately, it might be tough sell to Tambellini
TSN, also known as the “people that know everything, but never get anything right”…
Darren Dregger and his little fantasy world of rumors is a joke. Did they predict the Halak trade, or have any indication from their “sources” that a deal was close?
If TSN and Dregger are the best in the business, why do they always botch rumors? Why don’t they ever say, “Player X will be traded to either A,B, or C.” ,And then 2 days later you find out they’re traded to one of those teams? Because it’s all a bunch of crap.
A rumour is a rumour. Don’t believe anything they say, their “sources” are never right. So many things go on during trade talks, and they don’t know 10% of it until the trades are complete. Only then can they ever tell you what actually went on.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Well here’s hoping then!!!
I wonder, actually (and fully realize this directly contradicts the futileness of speculating about trading the special Ks that I wrote about above, but what the heck….) if the Pens might be interested in trying to get AK to work with Crosby. They desperately need scoring wingers….
I’d take a depth guy in return. Anyone in fact, to get rid of that contract…
That’s all fine and well, but we need goal scoring! They didn’t get beat out in the playoffs because they lost a fight, they lost because they pissed away numerous powerplays and played horrible five on five and couldn’t score
Whereas other players say what exactly?
It’s up to my neighbour Reggie if I make the team or not?
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I’m a white dude but cheers on the racism all the same
My point is you need to step back and ask yourself if you cheer for the team or the player. I loved Huet but you didn’t see me jump ship. I just sucked it up and cheered for Price, as I plan to do next season.
That is refreshing, I like him already haha
so what? isn’t that the attitude you have to have? drum roll please, unless you’re carey price :-p kidding people!!!
Agree.
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FYI – I am the one that posted one fans angry reaction.
I’m with you on that one. Definitely an option I hope they explore. Previous success with Cammalleri doesn’t hurt that’s for sure
To be a pro you have to conduct yourself like a pro…
Those were pro comments. Never heard guys like Guillaume saying stuff like that.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Hahaha, boom!
See what goes on, PIT may be the team making the gamble on Kirill Kabanov in the draft since they could really use a winger for Crosby or Malkin who has finish.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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No need to regret anything Bugs. Your the only one losing face here.
Hey Bugs!!!
Zut-alors! Ciao la France!
lol
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Is there room in JM’s doghouse for The Great Dane?
Sorry for your loss yesterday Bugsy, I was suprised at their performance
I know two players from Belarus that don’t share that attitude.
scoring forwards around will be collecting 1-2 million over their worth
absolutely true – and include plekanec on that list.
Worked well with Gio and Gomez, can’t hurt to reuinte frolov and cammy
Russian with talk of inconsistency issues, yeah that wouldn’t stir up a controversy around here…
I think Frolov as a UFA will price himself out of Hab’s plans anyway.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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Well played sir. I hope we never see those words in a headline on Habs I/O
They lost because they didn’t play physical. Schultz is a physical player and he plays a power forward’s role. He had 24 goals with the Hitmen this year.
Tell me that’s just a goon.
yeah no kidding …Grabovski drove me nuts and Andrei still does….
Well at least they can’t complain about his size :p
After Henry’s cheap hand ball to knock out my emerald isle, they got what they deserved!
Surprised, you say?
I was confused, upset, dismayed, and more than a little embarrassed.
But all is not lost: if Mehico loses 2-0 and if we beat S.Africa 3-0, we’re in!
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Aw, hell…
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Haha, check that, I know 3.
Grabovski couldn’t be playing for a more suitable team.
Outside of Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin…they would never deal that pick. As a rebuilding team, it sends a very bad message to your fan base. Although the oilers would probably be better suited with tyler seguin, they will certainly take Taylor Hall because its the flashy choice.
Which brings me to my next point: The penguins should try to make a deal with the oilers involving Malkin and the oilers 1st overall pick.
I was having a look at the St. Louis Today article…..about 25 comments concerning the trade as opposed to about 2,000 spread out over a few stories here. I hope someone briefed Eller on what he is getting in to….
If you can believe BGL, Shultz will never get the chance to even see the doghouse.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Which is where the Habs are heading by the looks of things.
Yes crazier things have happened in the World Cup, we shall see
well, when u cheat your way to the world cup, that’s what happens. Of course, France, who is yet to score a goal will come up with 3 against South Africa…
Do you think there is any chance PG could convince Armstrong and Davidson that when he said Halak he meant Sanford? Surely a mistake that everyone can have a good chuckle over?
If that handball hadn’t counted, Ireland woulda won then?
No extra time, no penalties? No more rules? A direct Ireland victory, yes?
Lloris would NOT have cleaned Seaman’s clock?
See, it’s IRELAND who “got what they deserved” for being in the situation where a twist of fate affected their WHOLE qualification.
That’s not France’s fault.
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Thank you so very much for that. Most “fans” dont seem to realize that’s exactly how they act!
Zut et reflûte, you mean.
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Really? I didnt realize that playing physical counted on the scoreboard….
Play physical all you want, if you arent putting pucks in the net you arent going to win. The leafs play physical, didnt see them in the playoffs last year. Philly didnt beat us because they played physical, they beat us because they had a balanced attack with a lot of skill, and we couldnt outscore them.
I’d laugh my ass off if another team makes a ridiculous offer sheet for Price.
Shultz scores goals. And he’s a leader who WANTS to fight if it’s needed.
I hear he even eats meat now and then.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Cheat?
Oh, you mean wheh the REF didn’t see the handball?
Or do you mean cheating ALL THE TIME like cheaters in every, single game, cheating with cheats all the time? Cheated in 2006, cheated in 98, cheated in 84, always, always cheating?
Or that ONE time (like Maradona in 86) when the REF didn’t see a blatant handball which would NOT have sent the game in extra time and penalties with a French goaler FAR superior to the Irish one?
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You need to relax a bit man, it’s sucks Halak got traded but it’s not the end of the world who knows what’s going to happen this season.
He’ll be the Melancholy Dane after only 1 season…
I am just waiting for the 1st softie Price lets in at the Bell Centre and the chants of “Halak, Halak” start.
So, here’s the big question….
Should we already expect 30+ goals from Eller next year, or should Hab “fans” already hate him because he’s not 6 foot 5?
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I think the complaints of the timing on this are mistaken. Trading one goalie before signing the other would normally give all the leverage to the remaining goalie, however Price is an RFA with no arbitration rights. He has no real power. Will someone sign him to an offer sheet that we can’t match? Here are the teams still looking for a starting goalie:
Philly – no 1st round draft pick = no offer sheet.
Tampa – still in rebuilding mode, I don’t think they want to give up draft picks at this stage.
San Jose – nearing the end of their Stanley Cup window, doubt they want to put it all in the hands of a goalie with questionable NHL playoff results at this point.
On the other hand, if we get Halak signed before we make any moves, then we would have been handcuffed by the cap. There’s no way we would get a prospect like Eller coming back, as everyone would know that we had to make moves to fit under the cap.
Did we get killed in this trade? Maybe, time will tell. Eller looks nice, but I think Halak will do well in St. Louis next year, and there couldn’t possibly be any more pressure on Price. Hopefully he’s ready to work his ass off. But regarding the timing of the move, had to be done this way.
Playing physical means paying the price and taking hits to make plays happen aswell. Of course you’d probably change your tune about my post if you’d continue to read it instead of stopping after the first sentence and drawing up conclusions.
One things for sure, JM will be picking up larger bricks now with his pooper scooper.
Enough with disinterested Russians, please.
nah, like a bunch of people say, Price is better and has more potential than halak but they won’t pay him more than 1.5M lol
you would have to think a price contract will be announced by the middle of next week
A decisive and definitive victory, and more than likely they would have used the momentum from the win to dribble straight to the World Cup Final, and surely once there, be crowned world champions.
Thus, obviously, Henry’s hand ball prevented Ireland from a deserved World Cup victory. It’s not that difficult to see the logic behind all this.
Here’s the bigger question, why are you bringing this up twice?
If that happens, Price will be traded and this franchise will have no goaltenders….
I’ll never be a MTL fan again if that happens, because it will just prove how dumb these fans are. If you think it’s hard to attract players now, try get them once that happens…
Believe it or not, it will happen. It’s just a matter of time. Idiots can’t act civilized for long periods of time, hence why they’re called idiots…
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
okay but how many offersheets have there been since the lockout…6?
if we’re so down on carey price, why would any other team want him?
He has to make the team first. i would be happy with 15 goal season. However, it all depends on how he is used. don’t expect 15 goals if he makes the team and plays 3 minutes a game on the 4th line
Many european media are reporting HABS did trade Jaro – they got one thing in common – all are shaking their heads like it can not be true…
Habs management need toilet paper. Send the K bros to St-Louis for some Charmin. At least Goatier can wipe the crap that’s still on his face as of yesterday.
Interesting point by a Blues poster…that the Dagostini for Palushaj trade was probably part of this deal….perhaps this deal was agreed to long ago…maybe we weren’t getting Schultz before Jaro’s playoff run…or maybe it means nothing but definitely food for thought. Palushaj at one point was ranked pretty high in the Blues organizationa nd already in our hocekys future outlook he is up to number 5 with us and PK doesn’t really count anymore as he will likely be with the big club full time. Now with Leblanc, Kristo, Eller and this Palushaj kid…whoever we obtain this draft, Pacioretty and Pouliot…not looking so bad up front with vets like Cammi, Gio, Pleks? and Gomezs to compliment them …seems to be a method to the madness of the last year or so after all…..still cap crunched but….rosier than it appeared.
You never know. Look at Dustin Penner.
He got an offer sheet for a ridiculous amount for only putting up 45 points.
Many or you are missing the point dude. Management has made it VERY clear the Price is the man, now and in the future. To low ball Price with a one or two year contract taking him to UFA is dumb. They have to lock him up LONG TERM, and in no way is that going to be done for 1.5 million a year.
Does no one else see this? All this talk about cap space BEFORE Price our NO.1 has a contract. He does have tremendous negotiating leverage now as the starter and the fact MANAGEMENT has made him it with no fall back position with Halak gone.
Price a cap hit of 1.5 million? PLEASE!
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
i suggested yesterday that we could have been scouting eller since we made the palushaj deal and liked what we saw.
These GM groups are quite friendly. They are not looking to screw each other over like say dealing with Brian Burke. They want to help one another get better.
The Canadiens traded a hard working good goalie they couldn’t afford and that they had an excess of goalies. St. Louis and an excess of good prospects, and needed a goalie. They traded to the habs a hard working prospect.
Win-win for the teams and the players involved.
Just curious. Accepting Guahtiers point about looking at things in the long term…
Where to people put themselves:
1. I strongly believe Halak will be the better goaltender.
2. I think Halak probably will be the better goaltender long-term.
3. I really couldn’t say.
4. I think Price will be the better goaltender long-term.
5. I strongly believe Price will be the better goaltender.
Myself, I’m a 2.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Because it’s reality…
That is how most fans of this team are. You can throw it in their faces a million times, and they still won’t get how rediculous they are when it comes to overrating players. If we had Toronto’s team right now, we’d be saying that Kessel will score 60 goals next year, Kaberle will fetch us six 1st round picks, and Nazim Kadri is better than Crosby…
It’s sad, but it’s true..
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
Thank you for a more refreshing and sobering outlook on the team, Krob. You make good points.
Good. It’s about time the Habs start playing hockey and stop playing rope-a-dope. I’ve said it since just before Halak got traded that I hope both tenders get traded. Since Steve Penny the Habs have relied far too much on golatending to save the day.
The Habs were thoroughly dominated by both the Caps and the Pens and only won because of Halak’s heroics. Now the team is in rebuild mode. JM is not a good coach IMHHO. The team will probably miss the playoffs next year.
I’d laugh my ass off if TB meets St Louis in the Finals. I’d have a hard time picking a winner in that match-up.
Does a prudent GM low ball it’s starting goalie for the forseeable future? Does he sign him to a short term contract and risk losing him to UFA? If Price IS THE ONE then you lock him up.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Yes, you’re right.
I would’ve talked to him and his agent ahead of time and said “we are thinking of keeping Pricey but want to know we can sign him longer term to a fair deal… like 4 years at 2.5 mil.” That way if you’re right, you get a bargain down the road in return for your faith in him today. He wants to stay, so has every reason to say yes. Now who knows?
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Go Habs Go
By NOT lying like you?
Ok, if you say so…
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Price has 4 years before he becomes a UFA. Sign him to $7 or 7.5M over 3 years.
That’s up with 1 year left on RFA status. We’ll know what we have at
that point and be able to deal from there. The minimal leverage lost in
negotiation with Price is nothing compared to the loss of returned
assets we would have received if one of them had been signed before a
deal was made and our cap problems magnified.
I didn’t read or write much yesterday…maybe a post or two….too fresh and too much anger on here…not much point…needed to sleep on it so sorry if you mentioned that.
-I’m missing some of the point of this. How is this Palushaj guy? I don’t remember.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Still better than Gomez, who makes 4 or 5 million over his worth…
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It will probably be more like 3 million for 3 years I think.
That’s definitely the impression we’re gettin from you sore losers.
But seriously, if you had been up 3-0 in that game or if you had led the table by 5 pts, the referee-missed handball woulda had no significance.
We use the same argument in hockey: If you’re in a situation where ONE twist of fate affects your whole run, you can’t really complain.
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I agree Smartdog. A solid number 2 for me. I will take mental toughness and a dude with a chip on his shoulder over potential overtime.
Besides I love the underdog.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Our big deadline move lol! We traded Dags for him….he was the blues 2nd rounder in 07, us college kid, forward, offensive type ,played for the Bulldogs down the stretch so better to get a live scouting report from some of our Bulldogs fans but he is ranked ahead of Maxwell on our Hockeys future list now…..he is 20 as well.
1- no doubts.
Tony is the new TIMO…
except he’s not as funny and TIMO hadmore than one rant
Myself I root for the habs and like Boucher – Halak is now en ex-hab. I wish him well but against us I hope he never wins a game, nor do I want to see him in the playoffs ever again.
Sorry but the CH comes before the name. It hurts to see a hard working hero go but thems the rules.
The leadership gorup of these two clubs are good friends. That is why we tend to trade with them when we have meshing needs. You are more likely to swap power tools with your buddy down the road. No way this was part of a prior deal.
If they sign Price for a dime more that $850K +10%… well, they are even bigger idiots than they demonstrated yesterday.
3, because I don’t own a crystal ball.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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Take an anti-depressant or something. The insane constant hyper-negativity is getting old.
Ok. Thx.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
But we all know that, historically, half of those guys aren’t going to pan out.
Run backward 5 years…we were all giddy with the idea of a team led by Koivu, Kovalev, Theodore and Markov being joined by kids like Chipchura, Higgins, Yemelin, O’Byrne, Plekanec, Komisarek, Perezhogin, Ribeiro, Locke Lapierre and the newly drafted duo of Carey Price and Guillaume Latendresse.
The team got one miraculous injury-free season out of that group 2007-08, but scrapped just to make the playoffs every other year.
We all know the history of those various players. I look at our system and the lack of depth up front and I’m a bit worried. I see a massive turnover on defence next summber gobbling up and defence prospects we’ve got in the system.
And with Halak gone, the Habs need to draft a goalie this summer.
I can’t say.
Probably a good negotiating tactic is to try to keep the advantage and having some idea what the options are. Letting Pleks get to two weeks before UFA and still having no contract or trade is also questionable.
But what do we know Smartdog? We are not employed by any NHL team so according to some we have no business questioning our betters.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
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but I think Halak will be good as well.
You need to chillax.
Seriously. Your emotionally overinvolved in this whole thing.
Maybe as low as $2.5 million per for 3 years, but that seems about right.
I’m sure the kid’s excited and ready to roll with the opportunity but what’s he supposed to say ? No I’m gonna get a free ride like MAB because I’m gonna be JM’s coaches pet.
I can see why everyone hates the K-bros…….. but from an unbiased perspective, at least they’re refusing to be JM’s bitches. I respect that too, to a certain degree, considering the way this regime has dealt with some players in the organization. I guess business is business.
Habs, OLE !
Lose-lose for Habs fans, though.
Price has anothe 4 year as an RFA (please stop making stuff up)
Secondly, Price HAS NO NEGOTIATING POWER. THe habs will offer him a fair deal and he will accept it. How many times have you seen an RFA hold out on a contract? Seriously, give me one example in the last 5 years that this has happened!
What is a fair result for Price? A small raise. He should get a 2Mil per or so deal (plus or minus). Still it will be significantly less than what Halak was going to get.
Even if Eller and Shultz make the team, in order to make what Halak will earn in salary, Price will need to make 3Mil… This should not happen. Of course, I don’t know more than you do.. but your distorted facts make it hard to take anything else you say seriously.
Nobody knows the future…
But if you ask me to predict who will be better and have more success, I’d say Price for a few simple reasons:
1- He plays in the much weaker/easier Eastern Conference.
2- The Habs defense, if Markov is extended, seems like a much more stable group than what the Blues have
3- Like it or not, the kid has character. I’m 22 myself, and could never immagine being in his shoes with all the pressure. He could have easily asked for a trade when Halak took over last year or acted like Sergei did, but instead he used it as motivation to work harder and get better.
4- While his win/loss record speaks for itself over the past 2 years, he didn’t really play that bad. I’ve seen bad goaltending, he was off his game sometimes which is normal, but was often unlucky. It’s not an excuse, he really was snakebitten sometimes…
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
The goaltender is probably the most important player on the club. If Niemi had truly sucked, Philly would have hoisted the Cup. Nerves or not, he did the job.
Not having a stopper like Halak means more years of mediocrity punctuated by more stupidity.
When they trade your lover… how would u react…
He is the number one goaltender, there is no point in slapping him in the face.
He will not get a pay cut?!? Just like the cap wouldn’t go down. These things don’t happen. At a minimum he gets 2.5 (over his 2.2 last year, although he missed many incentives so it was actually lower)
They didn’t undercut Plekanek last year when everyone on hear was screaming about how he was vastly overpaid at 2.75.
If you start screwing players over lowballing them, no one will ever want to come here. Espcially with the impossible media and fan scrutiny.
Since the team is more the Halak + Everyone else, how was that a lie?
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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Well, how is your Tlusty doing? Will Kadri make your team this year? Will Kulemin re-sign with you guys? Could you do no better than Phaneuf as captain, tossed off his former team for his lack of solidarity with his teammates?
Every team has questions.
Unlike yours though, Tony, we don’t try to answer them in the cellar.
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I saw Maxime Talbot and Travis Moen score the Stanley Cup winner…
what a f’kin bunch of superstars!!!!
What’s your point. Throw out everyone that doesn’t become a superstar in their 1st few years?
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
he lied..lol..what did you expect him to say 2 days after they were eliminated.
Again, after Gainey, Gauthier is gambling on Price, the nice-looking Canadian guy.
You must cry over this one after Montreal did song for Halak during playoff:
http://blog.fagstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/They-made-a-Bad-Trade.mp3
Let’s hope Eller, LeBlanc, Subban, Kristo … turn out much better to complement our five year guys.
Most of our defence comes off the books next year … it will be interesting.
Are you going to complain all summer long about Halak getting traded???
You need to grow up cuz whining is not going to bring him back and it’s not going to get Gauthier fired or any other little pettiness you’re all calling for -BUT- it is going to piss off those who come here for some normal Habs talk, those who can see more than meets the eye when it comes to this stuff.
You all cried and whined when Gainey named Jacques Martin the coach, acquired Gomez (and some guy named Pyatt) and signed Cammalleri, Gionta, Gill, Moen and Spacek. Look how that turned out!
Just chill out and look at what the Habs got in the deal yesterday or cry and stamp your feet about it and say “I don’t wanna give ‘em a chance”, it’s up to you, be a real fan or be a petulant babybrain.
You know, the St. Louis Blues have fan sites too, find ‘em.
Petteri Simila has a very good chance of getting an entry level deal.
Beautifully said.
Kane is one of the top 5 to 10 players in the world.
Wow Pittsburgh sure did a surprisingly good job drafting that Crosby kid?!?
3.
FREE TIMO!
And nor were you.
FREE TIMO!
Scotty Bowman who’s “THE” hockey guy and has won like 600 Stanley Cups, said to keep Price.
Maybe he knows a little something about evaluating players.
Shut the phoque up, seriously.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
It’s funny isn’t it? Some of Halak’s saves in the Washington series were beyond lucky. They kept aiming low. He got in their heads. Philly aimed high and we all saw what happened.
Weather man:
Pierre Gauthier will be fired late 2010-2011 season or in the middle of 2011-2012 season.
When Habs management demonstrates how far their collective heads are up their asses, we have every right to express our opinions. This trade demonstrated in high definition how inept they are after such a promising Spring. It would have been better if the Habs hadn’t made the playoffs and given any of us old-timers a little light at the end of this 17 years of traveling in a dark tunnel.
I guess if you like Halak more than the Canadiens, not the real fans though who can look at the big picture.
I agree with you. I am a Bruins fan and I am not complaining! Nice trade… You Habs Rock! LOL!
Does Bugs have the 411 on you Tony?
Stop living in the past you old geezer….
That crap of “OH we used to win every year”, is f’kin old man. Like pyramids in Egypt, old…..
There are 30 teams now, a salary cap, and a whole bunch of other factors. If you can’t live with it, watch the CFL where there’s only 6 team and the ALS have a chance every year.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
True enough but if rewind only a year …..Lats fizzling, no Leblanc, no Kristo, No Eller, Palushaj …..things are getting better is all I am suggesting. Realistically if three of these guys pan out as offensive players we should be in really good shape, if two pan out were doing OK. We have 4 pretty reliable top 6 ers already for the short term….and I still believe you need a top nine to win so that iswath I would be targeting….9 interchangeable parts that can contribute on both end and one mucker line. The 6 and 6 model only works if you have ultra talented top 6 players. The situation sure looks brighter than it did at the end of last season when we knew we were lsoing so many guys…..we also still have the Kostitsnyn’s…for how long? who knows but they must also be included…to be honest the thought of them playing with this eller kid would be kind of intriguing…won’t happen if we can trade them but if we do trade them that iwlll likely bring more young prospects.
Chips got hurt, the Russians…they are a wildcard so I am not even counting our Russians as prospects at this stage…Ribeiro turned out alright, Locke was never going to make it, Pleks,,laps, Gui elsewhere, ….if we could get that many guys (basically two top 6 out of Pleks and Ribs and a couple of third liner/2nd liners…we would be in decent shape with Gio, pleks, Cammi, gomez and whatever else comes along….
Just a note, but I think there is some confusion over Price’s contract status entering the season.
Price is a restricted free agent this summer, without arbitration rights. The Montreal Canadiens MUST tender him a contract by June 30 that is basically 105 or 110% (can’t remember which for his salary bracket) in order to keep his rights.
The player does not have to accept that offer, and in reality they rarely do. This is the important point in the discussion. An example would be Tomas Plekanec last summer, who was tendered an offer but then signed a contract with a more substantial raise than what he was entitled to. For those of you think that Price is going to get signed for $1 Million this season, it is simply not a reality.
If the Habs tried to sign him for that, there is no question whatsoever that another team (Philly? San Jose? Tampa?) would swoop in and offer him $3.0 Million per season. The Habs guaranteed his rights by tendering the contract mentioned above, which only means that they are entitled to match that contract or receive compensation in return.
The RFA compensation schedule last summer (the salary brackets will all be slightly increased due to inflation this year) was:
$994,433 or below – No Compensation
$994,434 – $1,506,717 – 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 – $3,013,433 – 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 – $4,520,150 – 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 – $6,026,867 – 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 – $7,533,584 – 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 – 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.
Let’s say you are San Jose and end up needing a goalie. Why wouldn’t you make an offer on Price of $3.0 Million? The Habs would have no choice now but to match that, but if they didn’t, the cost to San Jose would be a late second round draft pick in 2010. That’s not a hefty price to pay.
Bugs got the deally-o on everyone here Stormy. Bugs be Da Man…er, Da Wabbit.
FREE TIMO!
again – Blues made this beautiful song:
http://blog.fagstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/They-made-a-Bad-Trade.mp3
Simila is signed with a Finnish team for the next 2 years, he’s a long-term goaltending prospect.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
haha well done lol
Thank you for being sane. Treading through the emotional craziness in here is so difficult at times.
Oh, you better be careful what you say man…
People will kill you for saying something like that. Don’t speak the truth, it’s illegal. From now on, the “truth” is: Halak is the best goaltender on the planet. We shouldn’t have traded him, and if we did we should have gotten the whole ST-Louis team for him, along with their arena.
My honest opinion: Philly made Halak look like a piece of garbage. It’s called watching videos.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
A Bruins fan eh, you’re lucky you have two GMs building that team, Schiarelli and Brian Burke.
Thank you, didn’t know that. That kinda sucks. Statistics indicated that he may have been ready for the pro game here(at the AHL level I mean).
Love you smiler (in a non-sexual way),
glad were usually on the same page.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
That’s just it, dumbass, by the Habs going further than expected, all your expectations are now in La-La Land with nothing less than a Cup or we have to put up with the kind of drivel written here in the last 24 hours over a freaking two-bit goalie who winged one and had a great year and playoff which he’ll never duplicate!
Dude, you’ve made like 12 posts in the past 20 minutes, take a walk or something.
Thanks for everything Timo!
Do you “choke the chicken” to Halak videos or pictures everyday?
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I like Bugs…… But he went 0-2 in soccer on his picks. Cheers rabbit.
Considering Cedrick Desjardins couldn’t even take the #1 spot in Hamilton from Curtis Sanford, I highly doubt it. There’s probably a 2% chance he even gets to play a game in Montreal next season.
I’m shocked by the Dune references
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Having watched Desjardins play, he’s a good battler with some technique but his skating and recovery are not on the NHL level and his ability to play the puck is weak to be generous. It will be a long march for Cedrick to the NHL I think.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
And that tricky Paul always comes back to haunt doesn’t he?
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
I am still hoping a team offers him a retarded offer sheet and the Habs will be forced to learn how to play hockey and not think they can rope-a-dope forever. Even Ali was only able to use that tactic once to his advantage.
Anyways I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cedrick Desjardins challenge Price for #1 next season but I am sure that Baron Vladimir Harkonnen will do everything to protect Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen especially after they’ve just traded Paul Atreides away.
We’re all duned, I tell ya! Duned!
I’m sure there are a lot of people around today who think Gauthier is a worm…
I like it. Especially the top two lines.
You couldn’t school me about that if you tried. Everything you’ve said so far on the subject is gibberish.
I don’t understand why we can’t just all get along. Aren’t we all Habs fans? Except for Tony of course.
Dude you forgot Schultz…wtf
Boone: You’ll enjoy these gems
Especially this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6aNdTaclU –
Dylan McIlrath vs Ian Schultz
Video Footage of Ian Schultz dropping the gloves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpKGvOOfwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnzh8rl61I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMK2Iln4FxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdPY2GkwRmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeVga2SlSpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjtiFYOegZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMtm3JIh8XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hFe0JucDWU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cU1fCDzUQ
And there are many more … enjoy
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Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!
Yeah but dude, what if Eller and Schultz actually turn out to be pretty good assets? And what if Price becomes a good #1 goalie? All this bitching will seem pretty useless.
And if they don’t, what can we do about it? Seriously? We have no say or power in the matter. Just sit back and enjoy the show. It won’t be terrible and it won’t cause the end of the world in Montreal. We’ll be a’ight man. We’ll be a’ight. Peace be with you.
I think some people need THIS. a distraction from the “event” lol
Lars Eller footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ujJGvvC_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrD7jr2fvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cUoRzI9PuQ
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Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!
Exactly what I was thinking
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Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!
whats done is done, im not happy to see halak go, but move on, im sure halak will. these two kids are pretty big, who knows how good they’ll be. just like all the moves from last summer, wait and see.
Don’t have time to watch them all. What’s your take?
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
Those are a lotta “ifs” to exchange for a “sure thing we saw with our own eyes”, no?
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
I Love the second video, where he’s standing right in front of phaneuf
seriously, doesnt it make people giddy seeing this guy score a goal right in front of the leafs brand spankin new captain?
So far – and I’ve only watched a few… Moen x 5 – Rough M-F-er
I think Tony and Demigod should have a ‘delete post’ option every time they comment.
Go Habs Go!
Nice!
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
I also read somewhere that Tony Marinaro advised Schultz to take care of Lucic, because the last guy chickened out. Schultz replied, he would do his best to take care of Lucic.
I like that kid already!
So what do you suggest we do? Shall we riot? It’s over and done. If Price sucks and Halak is awesome next season then we can sentence Gauthier to the death penalty.
Amen to that
Post of the day
The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!
Brian Burke could have held on to Bryzgalov and waited but he let him go as a personal favour to Bryzgalov. People can say what they want about Burke but he treats his players well.
Alright so do it for the players then. Forget management.
A sure thing, to who, you? Alot of us were scared Theo 2.0 was going to get a huge payday and fall out. So maybe keep your sure things, to things, that really are for sure, you know like the sun coming up, not a guy with GAA low of 2.86 all the sudden becoming a 2.40 guy the rest of his career. For every game 6, there was game 3, or 1, or 2 for that matter that he sucked. So get over the man crush and move on rodent.
Thanks. He absolutly owned Cepek. Looks Good.
I second that, all in favor!!!!
Indeed P:
I like to make amendment, to add manapart, aka boytogether. Thank you!!
Take the time to watch em.
I AM VERY HAPPY to have this kid on our side.
Wish we woulda had him against Philly.
May have already been reported: Puckdaddy reporting proposed Habs / Calgary Flames Outdoor classic
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Competition-committee-approves-blindside-ban-sh?urn=nhl,249676
I dunno about you guys, but I really like this move. I’ve never actually been excited about the young core of the team, but look at this:
Emelin, Ellar, Avstsin, Pyatt, White, Trotter, Leblanc, Kristo, Price, and Subban.
Not bad at all, considering we’ve drafted above 10th place since 2005.
Go Habs Go!
Tony242 is an idiot.. just saying.
-Price is right-
sorry, dude. TSN’s been reporting that for weeks.
Go Habs Go!
In other news, The Nashville Predators have signed defencemanFrancis Bouillon to a two-year contract worth US$2.7 million. - TSN
Happy for him.
The shoe is on the other foot and you become exactly like some of those “Halakites” were towards you and Price…Id hold off on calling Jaro “Theo 2.0″ because as most Hab Fans, including you should, realize that has been the best Goaltending performance we’ve arguably seen since 93′…Dont become drunk with power now that Carey is back to being first on our Goalie chart, dont become like the posters that’ve shat on you when Price was playing backup…Just sayin…yoll become just as low as them…
“I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~
well pissing and moaning here isn’t gonna change much. perhaps gauthier should take a poll before he makes any more moves?
Wow – according to Dallas_Dave, Price might get traded as well – during the draft. He said it’s a possibility.
Hah, that would be so funny. News flash: Habs get rid of tandem Halak-Price hehehe.
if the price is right
sorry. but I mean chicago and philly didnt exactly have stellar goaltending… I’m not saying price is stellar either 
altho i wish he was lol
Don’t be sorry…it’s OK..Not all of us follow TSN…I believe this is another step in the process when the NHL Competition Comittee OKs it…
No shit!
You and Habitant in Surrey have always been my favorite Halak fans, because of your dedication to the team, not the player.
In the fourth video – the commentator says “Looks like Schultz has everyone’s back.” We need some of that!
……….. “Thank you Cammy for making my day even more amazing!” I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE. Cammalleri: “I almost feel bad for a guy who plays an NHL career without experiencing what it’s like to be a Montreal Canadien”.
Consider a few things that have been said/happened over the past few weeks.
1) Timmins was given a stamp of approval by Gauthier, saying Timmins was doing a very good job.
2) Timmins stated he still felt Price had a immense talent.
3) Halak was traded.
Dunno who this Dallas_Dave is – but I doubt this rumor to be anywhere near the truth. Habs brass have NEVER leaked a trade proposal while it was being negotiated. Not the current ones anyways.
So I place this rumor alongside the daily drivel Ek-you-know-who says…
“more to come” meaning you can only process 7 words at a time?
Go Habs Go!
your finger slipped and I am sure what you meant to write was:
the habs are screwed
Gainey/Pg are idiots.
timmins sucked and we won’t win the cup for another 2142134 years
your welcome
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“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
Give ‘im time. If not this year, the next.
And that was a brilliant/horrible pun. Congradulations/Shame on you.
Go Habs Go!
I WILL NOT BE ASSIMILATED!!
Go Habs Go!
Give ‘er. Maybe you can manage 8 words this time?
Go Habs Go!
Ian Schultz = one tough SOB.
Bitch all ya want. Halak is gone. Price is the man.
It’s time to decide if you want to still be a fan of the Habs, upset or not.
Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
lets get this straight, price is not the man. that has to be earned, as it stands hes at the top of a shallow depth chart, nothing more.
This is just pathetic. If you’re going to pout and whine like a 6 year old do it somewhere else.
Go Habs Go!
Two days of straight bitching. What a crybaby.
Close enough. You a fan or not?
Go Habs Go!!
“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
Don’t forget: Engqvist, Schultz, Nattinen, Weber, Desjardins, etc.
Might not be the stars we expect in the city of well…expecations, but they are something to look forward to.
I really like Desharnais. Would love to see him play with the big club.
I really don’t care if he’s 5 ’6, man, he can play!
Now that’s commitment!
Riverview, you are one of Halak’s biggest fans, for you to see a silver lining this quickly shows that your intentions lie in the best places.
i’m a fan of the team. i want the team to do good. i don’t care who’s on the team so long as they arent flubbing away games and are working as hard as they can.
i’m not a price fanboy, i wasnt a halakite, i don’t care who’s in net, so long as they can win. you have to admit that wasnt price last season. they say to be the man you have to beat the man, well price hasnt done that. don’t question my being a fan and i won’t question your being a price fanboy
anyone hear from our friend Slovak???
Bruins close to acquiring Horton:
http://www.nesn.com/2010/06/bruins-closing-in-on-panthers-winger-nathan-horton.html
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The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.
“Halak hasn’t proven he can be a number 1 ?????”,
I can’t agree with this.
After last year’s surprising finish, just sit back and watch the show! None of us know what the roster will be in October or what it will bring to the table. Hell’s bells, I was absolutely wrong and astonished by the results last season. Maybe PG decided to deal Jaro because the Flyer series revealed that Peter Laviolette had figured him out and the secret was out. Who knows? Who cares? The Finals certainly showed that you can win with mediocre, but not bad, goaltending.
The Bruins have so much Jack in the pipeline that even PG could win a Cup with that hand!
not playing horse shoes or hand grenades
i do love rumours tho 
True true, dunno how I forgot about enqvist & schultz.
Go Habs Go!
TSN, the globe , Sportnet , CBC hell its all Tornto fan writters and they love to report the sky is falling in Montreal. Well guys how that Burke guy working out for you I know the Boston fans love him. Halak is gone but look what he got in return a 6,1 centre with skill and a tough western boy 6’3 who can score and throw them. Halak hasn’t proven he can be a number 1 he had a good late season run these guys will play evey night. If Gauthier lets Pecks go and can some how sign a bigger tougher centre , Lars will fit in and score us 25 or more goals at a cheaper price. Schultz will be on this team before the season is over if he doesn’t make it out of traning camp. Not since John Ferguson have the Habs had a player that brings this type of ability. Gomez, Cammy and Gionta just grew a foot taller.
i am with you on this one, everyone knew we needed size, we got aize with skill and teeth in this one.
i am with you on this one, everyone knew we needed size, we got aize with skill and teeth in this one.
Price, also a restricted free agent, made $2.2 million. (This now becomes a very interesting negotiation. After a disappointing season, he becomes a number one, which gives him the hammer in contract talks. Curious to see where this goes).
Elliotte Friedman
Habs have 2 choices. Sign price for 3 million per (or more),
or trade him.
wasn’t cepek a former draft pick of ours?
well said! I just hope he can develop into a power forward..Only wish Guy Boucher was still our farm coach
Trade Tenders for the Trophy. Triple T my friend, the only way to win.
FREE TIMO!
You may delete my posts, but this dude is still the freakin’ dumbest poster on HIO. He’s not a tool, but a power tool!
Come clean, you deleted my post above. Why?
that’s great news. just what we need!!
Considering how much coin has been pissed away on “franchise” goalies the past few years with no results, you better get a tin cup if you wanta get paid!
Sorry dude, I don’t think schultz is that good offensively. He’s kinda like a moen or a pyatt, save one that can drop you with one punch. Eller, on the other hand, he’s kinda supposed to turn out like Plekanec, except 6’1″.
Go Habs Go!
Ian Shultz is one hell of a fighter. He still can’t beat my favourite fight: Kane VS. Cooke… OH YEAH!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW9Sp-WndwA
I was joking. Seriously. Even about tanking. Dave. We gotta stop this before it’s too late!!!!!
HAHAHA. Just kidding.
Should that happen though GrimJim, you and I should have a beer together and celebrate our new found gift of prescience.
Personally, given my love of math, I like to call it T-cubed!
Come on he had a late season run I say great for him but Theodore had one great season and he never was a number one. The Flyers figured him out shoot high and he look very number two against them.
Since Price does not have arbitration rights, he only has two choices, sign whatever the Habs offer or get on a plane to Russia. That being said, Habs will prabably give him either a 1 year deal at very minor increase (10%) or several years for a little more $2.8M maybe? There is no need to give him 3 or trade. Don;t understand where this whole concept of “negotiating” with a non arbitration RFA came from.
The only thing I hear of Horton is that he’s lazy and overrated, I don’t know if it’s true but it’s all I ever hear so it couldn’t be that far fetched. What’s the point in being big if you don’t use it? The Bruins may be getting a good player but is he all he’s built up to be?
After this morning’s USA/Slovenia game, I have found a modicum of respect for Chris Lee.
I decided to unearth this avatar from what seems almost another era now. Page refresh might be needed. Please don’t be drinking anything when you hit F5.
Theo had a .930 save percentage for a whole season, and won a vezina. Halak had .924 for half a season, no vezina. Look at theo now. Don’t even attempt to predict what halak’ll be like later. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to tell.
Go Habs Go!
lmfao.
I really want White and Shultz to develop into power forwards and earn top 6 spots. I know some of you guys will think I’m out of my mind, but you never know with power forwards! They’re wild cards, take Byfuglien as an example. He only proved his offensive talent in the later series of the playoffs. I’m not saying White and Shultz are anywhere close to Byfuglien (i.e. size wise) but then again they remain wild card. And I love wild cards! Let’s leave these guys so time to develop and some room to make mistakes. They say we learn from our mistakes but Montreal fans (a great percentage of them) and media usually run our young guys out of town. I only wish they would have built their mental strength to resist our media and fan pressure by the time they challenge for a spot in the near future.
Thanks for the long read!
Ed, read my article. Price didn’t make 2.2M at all. His base salary is $850,000 plus bonuses, in which case he barely hit 2 of 8. The Canadiens are required to give him a qualifying offer of at least a 30% raise to retain his rights. Not’s not even $1.2M.
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/
Everybody handles and, maybe more importantl,y perceives pressure differently. Being made #1 at a very young age can be just as big a burden as having to work through the ranks. We can’t know what goes on in CP’s head. Maybe he throws up before every game, who knows.
To me this goes back to poor management. If we “gave Price the number 1 job” but didn’t realize at the time that he was very young, and didn’t take staps to insure his development, maturity and succes,s then shame on management that has a duty, as it does in every organization, to nurture and develop its talent. We just don’t seem to convert junior talent to NHL talent. I am afraid that JM isn’t the guy for that job. As a management consultant, the Habs management looks very insular. Very littel fresh blood or perspective. Promote from within the same circle. Companies don’t survive very long with that mindset.
Re the trade itself, it will look pretty lame in October if neither Ellar or Schultz maks sthe team. One has to give to get. Halak’s stock was up, hence more potential return. I would have preferred to have got back a roster player who could help the team now. Schultz may be more of what we really need than another “big” guy who deosn’t play his size.
Lol awesome. He’s such a scummy a***hole. One of the comments on the vid is sooo harsh tho: Too bad he lived.
I couldn’t help but crack up at that comment tho
…I have spent a season and a half being One of Those making the case for Jaro Halak being Our Number One Goaltender (and, at the beginning, We were a very Few) …yet I have felt for the past several months, considering all the variables …that Carey Price would be Solomon’s-choice long-term to remain a Hab …My heart wanting Jaro to remain …My cold-blooded, rational-mind knowing this trade had to come-to-past
…so, NOT surprised at all, with the exception I expected a known-quantity in return …but, I am willing to wait to KNOW what We received in Eller and Schultz before dipping Gauthier in acid
…I believe Carey Price will be a solid goaltender, maybe someday even brilliant …as a Hab
…the onus for the Montreal Canadiens is to have the flexibillity to round-out our D and offense within the salary-cap …which if kept as-is We would barely make the Playoffs next season
…My greatest disappointment as a Habs’ Fan is the loss of Guy Boucher, …and I would have loved to have seen Larry Robinson’s reassuring royal-jelly influencing Our young-players, and providing Us older Fans a memory of WHAT WAS
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Do you think this trade still happens if there’s no cap?
…if You no longer NEED Your previous Avatar HH …can you lease Her to Me …at least for the night ?
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
hey guess what got home after listening to a sports show Blues GM Doug Armstrong said how the trade went down they were asking about one of habs goalies thinking no way it would be Halak and was shocked when Gauthier saidHalak and he would like prospects armstrong said what about Eller and schultz . gauthier said how did they play this year armstrong said Eller was close and schultz is farther away from making it . Gauthier said oka sound good. thats the deal . no scouting just another gm word
It’s all just water under the bridge now. The bottom line is whether or not Price will ever become the goalie Gainey believed he could be when he was drafted. It’s time to put that open cup of milk in front of the toddler and just see what happens. Will we have to mop it up? Perhaps, but let’s find out once and for all. CP has once again been “handed” a job he did not earn. Let’s just see what happens!
A trade happens, but return might be higher with no cap as more teams might have an interest. Still think it would have been Halak.
Halak has a different work ethic. Halak has worked his non-NA heritage to his advantage in that respect. Theo got sidelined, roided his hair, broke a heel, banged Paris Hilton. Halak drinks chocolate milk and sleeps in his pads and hockey gear. Halak is super-Halak. He dazzled the L337 Bell Centre fans with stops unseen since ’86. Halak could go either way but I’d wager he has much more in him.
Armstrong is Gainey’s buddy from Dallas. So if the Habs get screwed on this deal, just think of the Ribs for that crippled Finn or one of Gauthier’s master pieces from Anaheim, Teemu Selanne for Steve Shields.
Sorry to Gonzo your Responzo MuckBee, but this baby needs to be coddled, nurtured, and mentored by a seasoned veteran who can step in and dare I say, yes, challenge the prodigy for the role of numero uno, just in case the growing boy isn’t quite the man that his peach fuzz belies. Nothings been handed. Just held in front of his cute and sweet little face so he can get a glimpse of that dazzling delight that is the most bestest position to play in all sports.
From TSN:
In the last 20 years, there have only been a handful of goaltenders as young as Halak that had a season with a save percentage better than his .924 mark in 2009-2010 (while playing at least 40 games).
One was Tuukka Rask last season, whose .931 mark tied Roberto Luongo in 2003-2004 with a .931 save percentage.
Martin Brodeur in 1996-1997 (.927) andAndrew Raycroft in 2003-2004 (.926) were the only other goaltenders in the last 20 years to record a better save percentage in a season while aged 24 or younger.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Of course not. With no cap the Habs would be spending an extra $20 on players, like teams were prior to 2005. Who has more $$$ than the Habs, other than TO?
We are as doomed as doomed can be. Aren’t we?
Well, I definitely don’t have your astute knowledge of the game, but I think I’m a voice of reason over all the freaking outers in here due to the trade of a goalie who really hasn’t proven all that much. No disrespect to him…he was very good this season and especially during the playoffs, but he was no superstar yet. He might become one….and he might not.
Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
so… theres a 50 percent chance he’ll be a bum with a 25 percent chance of potentially becoming a bum after losing a series whilst being up 3-0
A 6’1 Plex sounds pretty good to me, I’m not sure if that was what you were trying to say. Also, to the post above: I put absolutely zero stock in what is said in TO papers and on TO sports networks sinced they have never covered a play-off hockey team since their inception. TO should be more worried that their new captain can barely skate.
I think the rest of us should let this deal play-out a little before we crucify anyone. It was not very long ago that there were billboards proclaining “Jesus Price, save ‘em all”. I don’t think CP put them up himself. These prospects could end up being very good. I have seen Shultz play and he is a tough MF. From reports it seems that this Eller can play, he was drafted 13th overall. Give this a chance and if doesn’t work out (bombs) then I will carry the nails up to Crucifiction Hill. Until then lets assume this is a work in progress
Sounds ridiculous and irresponsible for any GM to operate this way so it makes me believe it. Would be par for the course as far as the Three Amigos go. Due diligence was not done in finding a new coach, scouting, development, player assessments or finding a GM so no surprise. This franchise is operated like a mom and pop corner store as opposed to a multimillion dollar enterprise.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
HOW DO YOU SPELL M-O-R-O-N Hey that’s easy GAUTHIER.
This could be the worst trade in the history of the NHL.Oh i know the Price idiots will say “he’s matured” blah blah blah.LOOK AT PRICES RECORD- TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF GOALTENDERS.REMEMBER MY WORDS HE IS NOT NOW AND NEVER WILL BE AN NHL GOALIE.REASON-TOO SLOW,TOO AWKWARD,AND BAD ATTITUDE.
HE WILL BE GONE BEFORE THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
Gauthier has now won the Rejean Houle award.As we know with (Albert Einstein Rejean Houle) and his genuis friend Mario the Magnificient brain Tremebley they a)traded Patrick Roy who won 2 cups with Colorado b)the Canadiens missed the playoffs numerous times c)turned off fans -some forever!! Gauthier with this single trade has even managed to Piss off a 50 year legend in following the Canadiens-Red Fisher who wrote a very angry -and justifiably so-column.In fact i have never seen Red that pissed in print.Way to go Red! Halak was a franchise goalie and that type of player does not come around too often-as the Canadiens and their fans will unfortunately find out.
This trade will set the Canadiens back many years,possibly as much as the Houle trade of Roy-Halak was that good on a poorly coached(Bonnie prince “ears” Charlie Jacques Martin(please Jacques no more sleeping pills before the game))team. Martins idea of strategy is to let the other team pound 53 shots a game against you!Brilliant.Without Halak the habs would have been gone in 5 against the Caps-lets be serious!
So i am hearing that a BOYCOTT of games by some fans will be started-Not only will i not go(gave away our 50 year old season tickets last year) EVER AGAIN but i would wholeheartedly support a TOTAL boycott of this team and its “ management”. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACEFUL JOKE GAUTHIER AND GAINEY WERE. 18 YEAR OF “REBUILDING”,BRAINLESS TRADES THAT A 10 YEAR OLD WOULDN’T MAKE.
I am most dissapointed in the Molsons who i thought cared about this franchise.I will also- in honor of Halak- state that i will no longer drink a Molson for the remainder of my life, and so far 4 other friends have agreed to join me.
As for Gauthier-if i were him i would not go outside my house all winter-fans are 1000000000% pissed off with this $%*&^&(.
BOYCOTT THE GAMES ;DON’T DRINK MOLSON!
nuff said
Wow. That was…intense. Your way or the highway, huh?
But again, I’m just goin with what we saw with our own eyes, not “Theo 2.0″ projections you insist on attributing to him.
And by the way (if it was in reference to me), rabbits are lagomorphs, not rodents. Extra pair of incisors, you see.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
Halak has great technique. He’s shown a lot of moxy in his career and has a great work ethic. He’s also got a great detachment and isolation that’s so great for the position he plays. He weathered the storm that is Montreal. That’s what the Habs really lost. Playing goalie in Montreal is one of the most under the microscope environments in any sport any where in the world. Maybe it’s always the number 2 who shines in Montreal. Then when he becomes number 1 the pressure gets to them and the next number 2 shines. Coaches used to get fired because of it. Now they just burn through goalies. Carey’s next. He’s being played like a fiddle my friend. I think these old codgers are wily ole bastages. Yeppers. Marks me words.
to be honest, as well as halak played, gauthier played this one out properly mathematically
with ridiculous amount of money tied up in the future for our top 3 players, markov needing to be signed next year, pleks or a replacement this year…keeping halak would have crippled our team and we would end up as the next calgary flames. a couple of superstars, and a superstar goalie, but no room to build depth around.
at least with price we will get average no.1 goaltending (his .912 last year is still pretty solid) for a few million cheaper, and we have money to continue in the future.
could gauthier have gotten better players? maybe. but in the end, halak had to go to keep the team from being more cash strapped than it already is.
Hey, I’m always up for a nice riot.
Keeps my teeth sharp.
Keepin it real, I be chillin as
L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com
I’ll repeat because I’ve only posted a few times. I do not care who plays in nets for the Habs. Price is the goalie who is part of the organization so I will cheer for him. Had Price been dealt, I would be cheering for Halak now.
Price’s numbers were not that bad last year, and his career stats are actually some of the best in history after 3 years for a 22 year old, but all that is irrelevent now. I just hope he does well this coming season because he plays for my team.
Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
I don’t pretend to know anything about Shultz. He may be a good fighter but if he can’t score in the WHL as a mature 20 year old, I fail to see how he will score in the NHL.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
You’re just another cheer-leading dolt for the inept management of this club who happened to get lucky this year. Put simply, you are the proverbial blind squirrel!
Rangers?
Yup, and they’d be dolling out a $100 million, easy!
MY QUESTION-WILL HABS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITH .333 CAREY.(ACTUALLY .000 IN PLAYOFFS RECENTLY)
HEY ASK CAREY-JUST GO TO ANY TRENDY SPOT ON ST LAURENT ST OR CRESCENT.
This is all a ploy for the 1st overall pick.I mean nobody in their right mind would trade a possible Con Smyth winner for garbage right???? RIGHT????? The douglas hospital has not lost a patient who is now GM of the Canadiens right???? I MEAN RIGHT?????????
Lets trade Markov for an ECHL player Gauthier,c’mon make another “brilliant” move.I mean you have such a glorius track record as one of the worst EVER GM’s in the NHL…so c’mon make another earth moving trade,you moron.
You won’t be miss anything by not drinking Moslon beer, it’s S#%T. That goes for Labbats as well.
Though Montreal lost to Philadelphia in the Eastern Conference finals, Halak had the No. 1 save percentage (.923) of any regular goaltender in the 2010 postseason.
YOU CAN’T REPLACE THAT.PERIOD.(plus 5 regular season shutouts vs 0 for “the franchsise” Price)
BOYCOTT THE GAMES-DRINK ANY BEER BUT MOLSON
nuff said
Would people still be pissed if we also had the blues first rounder (#14) or at least swapping first rounders as part of this trade? It would have put us in a better position to trade up for a guy like nino neiderettier or stand pat (or possibly trade down to pick up an extra pick) and grab someone like Dylan McIlrath. I know it would make the trade taste alot better for me anyway.
Sure, they’d still be pissed because Jaro — and I was a big supporter of him — was the second coming of Steve Penney. Hey, I loved Steve Penney and he was Patrick Roy until Partick Roy came up!
Price’s biggest obtsacle is his own maturity.
Halak and Price had two different paths in life. Halak had to scratch and claw his way to the top while Price rose because of immense talent.
It seems like the scratch and claw method gave Halak an edge in terms of maturity and tenacity that a still younger Price has neither learned nor earned through experience, yet!
Different learning curves.
Price has time to get better. Whether it’s with the Habs or not remains to be seen.
I would have preferred one proven roster player like T.J. Oshie over two prospects who may or may not make the team. Trading our starting goalie for prospects is suspect.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Who drinks Molson to begin with when there are such wonderful beers such as Stella Artois?
Thanks TwoCents. I have said what I needed to get off my chest about the trade, but really, it is done, move on.
Will my Halak auto quad jersey #’d RC card be sold? Not a chance
GO HABS GO!
Instead of recognizing how remarkable a season that Halak had and accepting that he was likely responsible for the Habs making the playoffs. ( his GAA was 1.98 in his 26 wins ) you prefer to denigrate his talents with a stupid extrapolation of the statistic.
Were you cheering him when he was leading the charge over the Caps? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
The darkest clouds of Mordor are upon us, Frodzo Baggonzo. But Goatstalf is assembling a fellowship of smurfs, 3rd liners and 2nd line 2 way centres who play wing to carry the torch and toss it into the Stanley Cup. Beware though because Golemslav wants his precious too.
Stop drinking Molsons. It cures bold italics.
Agree with your comment!
Montreal had a backup goalie, his name is Carey Price
I could respond, but alas you have caught me. Given my fellowship with Belgian ales this evening, I would like to defer my response to another day, if you would be so kind?
Yeah, I’m sure Price never had to experience anything bad while growing up on a reserve. I’m sure he was never discriminated against for being First Nations, and I’m sure he’s lived a privileged life from day 1.
It’s his net now. No excuses, no bullshit. He is standing naked with the Habs D in front of him. (Wow, given the Habs D, that is gonna take one big set of nads!)
Hey why was our insulting comments against each other deleted? We have said far worse things to each other dude. Boy is HIO ever getting sensitive these days. :)
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
in terms of hockey paths you can’t even compare the 2 paths that halak and price have taken.
Price had everything put on his laps while Halak had tow ork for everything
moved from his home to a country where he barely spoke the language and learned english via wrestling and family guy
playing through every level in order to make the big show.
this is not a shot at price, because it’s not his fault that their paths were so different
just an observation.
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“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
Cmon,there is no way you would have been happy with a 5’11″ 190 lb winger who never cracked 20 goals or 50 points,lol. I’m going to guesstimate we took the best available deal from the 4 teams that showed interest in halak. Why did none of them offer a proven top 6 forward?
Totally agree.
Thought I was alone on thinking the “price is lazy, everything has been handed to him” was overblown.
Go Habs Go!
I am sure Tampa Bay did. THey probably offered Martin St. Louis, but do you really want a small 35 year old who has 2 good years left in him and is making over 5 million a year. Not me. I would rather Eller and Schultz.
Price will make an excellent back up goalie to who ever we call up from the Bulldogs
He can’t concentrate for 15 minutes at a time let alone 60
Apples and oranges Andrew. I am not talking cultural adversity, which BTW Halak has had his own no doubt being a foreigner. I am talking about other variables that determine a person’s own path in life. Halak and Price had two very different ones in terms of their respective ascent to the NHL. I am making an observation as ooder notes. I wasn’t saying anything against Price and am even conceding that he has room to grow psychologically and mature. You’re a bit defensive there IMHHO.
He plays bigger than his size. We both know some players play bigger and some smaller ( Pouliot ). In his first full season last year he potted 18 goals and 30 assists. I admit I have never seen either player that the Habs traded for, I have seen Oshie and he is good and tough.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
Burke shopped him around the league and couldn’t get squat for him (he said this in an interview),then put him on waivers. This gives you an idea what the market value for goalies is in this league. Would habs management be able to get away with putting halak on waivers as a “personal favour”?
They were deleted? Is pompous that bad of an insult? Is it offensive to call each other wrong? WTF?
dude – Price’s mother is LITERALLY the former Chief of the Tribe. No Joke.
he has lived a privleged life.
his father flew him 400 KM’s in a small private plane to play hockey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carey_Price
Yeah they were. I don’t get it either as it was pretty mild. Oh well have to tone it down I guess.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
we could have packaged a goalie and picked up Backes.
A swap of 1st rounders would have made it much more palatable yes.
They’re just worried that given today’s events and many of the comments that we were descending into a rehash of the Gunfight at the Big OK Corral mode.
From everything I have read about Price, I don’t think he had an upbringing any more difficult than any other person. And by the way the Habs have handed him the starting job time and time again without having to spend at least a year in the AHL or earn the job, he hasn’t had it very tough compared to Halak.
Sorry for being defensive, that’s not how I’m meaning to come across, but I’m tired of the “Price has had everything handed to him” BS. Being drafted high likely means you worked your ass off to get there. Now if Price and Halak put in equal effort Price still would have been drafted higher due to exposure and being Canadian, but it doesn’t mean Price has never had to work hard.
What I have a problem with is the terrible logic displayed on this site when comparing the two goalies. For example; because Halak has worked his tail off to be an NHL goalie, Price hasn’t. This is often alluded to or straight up said on these boards. Another common one is that because Halak had an amazing season, Price had a terrible one, despite the fact that Price posted a save % higher than the average NHL goalie, while facing on average better quality of competition than most goalies and better scoring chances. Acknowledging the fact that Price actually IS good and has overcome obstacles himself, takes nothing away from Halak. I don’t understand why the most immature road has to be taken by most posters.
Uh huh, I lived in a Northern community, do you think First Nations kids are treated well because their mom is the chief on the reserve? You obviously don’t know much about what that ethnic group lives through in Canada.
Were you head douche or head troll on that night?
My point isn’t to denegrate what Halak has accomplished, only to show that they’ve both had to persevere over hardship.
Price is VERY FREAKIN GOOD!
Agreed.
But we just made a run at the cup with Halak?
Our best run 17 years. That’s the issue for me.
Have you ever been to a reserve? Come on. Everything you’ve read, what have you read? Everything I’ve read about Halak has been that he’s had a nice life himself, so he had to play in the ECHL, and never spent a full season in the AHL either. The difference is small.
I don’t think any goalie, besides a Brodeur or Luongo type, is going to get much more than a couple of prospects these days. The market for goalies has pretty much sucked for years.
Count me among those that are disappointed Halak won’t get a real chance to start as the number one out of the gates. He deserved it with his play whenever he was given a chance as a backup and with his play in the playoffs, IMHO.
Price’s big games were fewer and further between. I hope he shows up out of the gates this season.
well if you want to be in the NHL you deffantely need perseverance
people on this site are freaking out about this situation, honestly i am curious as opposed to anyting else
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“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
Best not to overvalue the cup run. We didn’t even get to the finals after all. It’s also important to note that there’s no way a team could win the cup playing the way the Habs did, too much wear and tear on the team to play like that, especially the goalie. In clearing some cap space that would have been spent on Halak, Montreal can likely bid for improvement on the back end or up front and make the team better and rely on the goalie less. Add in that we’re getting a guy who can contribute as a top 6 forward possibly as soon as next season, at bargain basement price, and it’s a good move for the team.
I actually do know. Price’s family was very well taken care of. I’m not saying he wasn’t exposed to discrmination or other issues, but he didn’t have a “normal” First Nations childhood. His Dad was a hockey player and his mom was the Chief.
any way. its not a huge point. he still worked his tail off to become an outstanding goalie.
Honestly I freaked out quite a bit yesterday. I’m pissed that it had to come to this, but at the same time I’m excited to see what Eller can do. If this makes anyone feel better, a friend of mine who’s a die hard Leafs fan and hates the Habs is huge into young players and follows the draft and prospects more closely than the NHL (can you blame him, he likes the Leafs after all), and he thinks Montreal may end up winning this trade because Eller is THAT impressive. Think a bit more talent than Plekanec with WAY more grit and physicality.
Shouldn’t you be busy exposing Bush as a reptilian alien who planned 9/11?
do you think the team will play differently next year – less shots on goal, less scoring chances given up?
i’m looking forward to it,
i hope he got over his mono.
i am also curious about the shultz kid.
lets get the season started already!
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“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
My bad!
and honeslty after listening to Eller on the team 990 and reading his interview i think he will fit right in with JM.
he is a hard worker and that is something that JM demands
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“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
Agree to disagree, except on the working hard part, there we agree.
I sure hope so, but Jacques Martin is still coaching.
In my dream world, Hamrlik gets traded, the return is of very low salary, possibly gets buried in the minors. Montreal Signs Paul Martin for 4.5 million per year for 4 years to take his place. We trade Sergei Kostitsyn to the only team interested, due to cap inflexibility Chicago needs cheap forwards and Sergei has a past with Kane, he may be worth a risk for them, so Sergei, a prospect defenseman like Shawn Belle and a 3rd round pick for Sharp. Sign Plekanec for 4 years for less than 5 million, bang out bargain deals for Lapierre, Pouliot and Pyatt, and if there’s money leftover; Moore.
I sure hope so. I never want to see a headline on HIO that “the great dane is in Martin’s doghouse”.
edit: Mikhail can you link to the Eller interview? I haven’t seen it.
I agree,to me the goalie market went down after 2006 (when a 36 year old dwayne roloson was traded to edmonton for a 1st round pick). I was listening to pierre maguire cut down the halak trade this morning on nhlxm204. He then made a comment that someone like brian burke would have waited an extra week to maximize the return. About 10 minutes later i called nhlxm204 and told them to remind maguire that burke once had a guy named Ilya Bryzgalov who he put on waivers and now he is a top 5 goalie in the league.
Hahaha dude, my girlfriend IS a scientist. I minor in biology, almost all my friends in Montreal are graduates of McGill science programs, I know more about science than any 9/11 conspiracy theorist could dream of.
Ha Ha, excellent comeback.
This is how i hope our lineup looks one day.
Gionta-Gomez-Cammalleri
Kristo- Ellar- Horton (find a way to trade for him)
Pyatt- Leblanc- White
Desharnais – Lappiere- Trotter
Markov-Subban
Georges- Gill
Spacek -Michalek
Obyrne
Price
Biron
Not sure if this was posted yet: But in other news …
Chippy gets a 1 year deal with the Ducks
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325015
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Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!
I’d rather take the dough and place it on black at the roulette wheel in Vegas!
Hey, you want schmaltz, drop Perry Como and go for Mel Torme.
Good night B…and keep this thread alive. Without Timo around the intelligence level of complaints has sunk to new lows.
FREE TIMO!
I swear that the Habs have made an executive decision to do stuff in the off season specifically to give me a reason to pay attention to the team before July 1… and it’s working!
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Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.
Take care Dave. I have to get some Zs!!!
…and that’s saying something!
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Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.
I can’t imagine this type of decision was made by one person. The management team knows just how much Halak meant to the fans, the City, and even the business!! Have you *ever* seen stop signs with another hockey goaltender’s name on them ??? (I saw one being waved at a professional tennis match in Spain, for God’s sake!) This guy was made into a legend. He was being discussed as comparable to Roy, etc. In my view, you make room this type of player, because even if you lose out on signing other players who go on to do well elsewhere (Pleks), and Halak tanks next year – he’s still a legend and the decision to sign him under a cap system is understandable from a business and fan-base perspective. And *please* stop arguing “Price is younger”…blah blah…Halak is what, 1 year older? BFD.
Halak will get $5-6M – even through arbitration (numbers better than Huet). If the offer rolls in for him on the low end, he takes a 3-year deal and then becomes UFA at age 27. Management knows this so they would have to hold back on spending $$ on UFAs (ex. Pleks… or Marleau?). If he’s awarded this type of $$ through arbitration in August after they’ve already committed salary to Pleks, they might lose him without any compensation. A trade of Price or Halak was absolutely necessary before July 1. Here were the options:
- trade one of them while unsigned for prospects: most “flexible” option through the summer because you won’t have any major cap commitments and you guarantee yourself something in return. I suspect the compensation for Price on the market was MUCH less. And so they rolled the dice and got what they thought was the best possible out of the two #1s.
- extend “generous” offer to Halak (guess what the market might demand) and hope he signs…settle for very little freedom during FA season because his price tag was high. Fill i nholes on D/F with minor leaguers. Habs could try to trade Halak after signing him. This would demand a much higher return from other teams, but would shrink the pool of available teams to trade with and a deal prior to July 1 would be unlikely.
- extend minimum qualifying offers to preserve right to match and ensure solid return (i.e. draft picks) if he signed elsewhere. Ex. if Halak signed an offer sheet worth $5M, Habs could match or would get 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. If no one was willing to extend an offer then arbitration would happen and the team might not have room. So one of the Gs would become beome UFA immediately – team gets nothing for him. OR team has to buy out a bunch of other contracts to keep both. If they sat waiting with $$ in hand (ex. for Sundin), they miss out on UFAs. BG vowed never to do this again..hence the rapid signings last year, not waiting for Kovy to decide, etc…
Bottom line: the team has taken a big hit at G, for the purposes of pursuing FA forwards. If that forward ends up being Pleks only, then I think the team is really going to suffer next year, because this team played with more confidence in front of Halak. I can’t imagine the skaters are excited about this decision — all due respect to Carey. I bet even he was surprised by the news. The REAL mistake made by the management (which has been made over and over again), is not signing these RFA players during the season. It was a mistake to let it play out – regardless of the amazing Halak performance. They lost options and are now pressed for time.
Personally, I would have chosen option 3. I liked those Halak stop signs – a lot. And fan’s matter.
Did you ever think that Gauthier is trying to build a team that doesn’t have to rely on outstanding goaltending to squeak into the playoffs?
When push comes to shove Halak didn’t win any more games against the Flyers in the playoffs than Price did.
So both were failures.
Consider this: They traded away <one of> their star Gs to get a guy *they could have had* in 2007. BG and his scouting/management team profess “best player available” tactics at draft time. In 2007 they drafted Ryan McDonagh at 11th overall and Lars Eller went immediately afterward 12th overall. Since Eller wasn’t picked, they must think he’s worse than McDonagh. That’s pretty scary. And it tells you alot about their decisin-making abilities then, and now. Article on Eller from the 2007 draft:
http://sedins.xanga.com/600319304/%E3%80%9007-nhl-draft%E3%80%91eller-aims-to-reward-blues-faith/
So the consensus form the paranoid in Montreal is that we gave up a superstar in the making for two career AHL’ers
The conesnsus from the paranoid in St. Louis is that they gave up a 1st round pick who was about to make the NHL for an unsigned RFA going to arbitration, that might not even be as good as his stats say.
Remeber this: just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not after you.
Another thing to remember: Hamrlik has a no trade clause, well he has a 6 team provisional no trade clause.
Thank you for the entertainment though. If only it were satire; we would make Voltaire proud.
The flag thing is just stupid. People get a life, and a passport – and don’t be so insecure about being Canadian.
And your Blackhawks point is a good one. It’s like watching clothes in the dryer, they tumble down, tumble up. It sucks that you need to tank for awhile to get the players you need to build with. There should be more subtlety to the sytem – more respect for teams that have a strong fan base, are sound financially, etc. But that would make it not hard but IMPOSSIBLE to put a team in Phoenix and Nashville, and Buttman would lose his stupid imagined hold on the universe.
The RFA/UFA agreement feeds into this too to some degree. Teams need to gamble too much to win. You end up with stupid contracts like Gomez’s and Hossa’s etc. that are just ridiculous. But if they work out – amazing. If not, big handicap long term.
I have to add that even though I agree, I also think certain teams understand the cap better and make their decisions strateically knowing the value of having cap space at the right time, etc., and that the Habs are not one of these teams. And that’s a handicap to us.
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Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
thats not even a problem to worry about because if Halak signs with anybody else st louis gets 2 1st round picks doesnt seem a problem to me
Halak WAS 9-9. That’s the point.
We need a better team around him. As I said, I like Halak, he’s an excellent goalie. But he’s not appreciably better than anything that’s out there. He got in a zone as goalie do (didn’t Brian Boucher once get five shutouts in a row) and now he’s free to pursue his cash elsewhere.
Again, if we’re turning a guy who won two rounds into the second coming, there’s a problem.
I wish we could have kept both goalies until the trade deadline next year, when a desperate team may have paid a little more but we couldn’t. And I’ll keep harping on it. Losing Boucher and not getting Robinson will have a far bigger long-term effect than losing Halak.
You mean he would be rolling in his grave.
I would like to read more of your blogs and to share my thoughts with you
with markov gone for possibly the first 20 games …we need 4 people who can play the pp point…and knowing the flexibility of martin he will keep putting gorges out on the second unit despite the fact we hardly ever scored with him. also we have too many forwards that go on very long scoring droughts…
2 years, 3 months but other than that great read.
Since Jed Clampett is now CEO of BP, perhaps we can recruit him to be the Coach and GM. After all he’s just as knowledgable about oil as he is about good trades. Oh, and don’t forget to sign Pleks for an outragious amount of money. After all, he really strutted his stuff during the playoffs.
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but this is for the people who are…shall we say overreacting just a little bit.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408378-dear-diary-worst-trade-ever?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter
Yeah, a couple of minor leaguers will solve all of our depth problems.
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FREE MARC EMERY, POLITICAL PRISONER!
The fans are reacting very poorly to this already – well, the Habs fans are, not the Price fans. I know a lot of Habs fans, and all of them are royally pissed…but just look at the TSN poll for a more balanced perspective, where over 77% think we made the wrong move.
So the Pricebots here defending the trade are nothing but a very vocal minority. Loud, obnoxious, and extremely misguided.
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“Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Francois Laignelot
FREE MARC EMERY, POLITICAL PRISONER!
Speculation that Jason Spezza might be dealt to the Columbus Blue
Jackets for Derick Brassard, Kristian Huselius and the fourth overall
pick in the 2010 NHL entry draft. [Ottawa Citizen]
If I were Ottawa, this deal would already be done.
Sam Pollock: “The fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them“
Wasn’t Olli Jokinen a sure-fire way to boost the team a little while back? Man doesn’t the team look stupid now not making that move.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
SF, blow out all of the hot air you want. Pull out millions of quotes, or other trades that backfired. It will do nothing to change the fact that we traded the better of our 2 goalies, and now we need to look for another starting goalie.
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“Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Francois Laignelot