The morning after the night before

More pressure on Price – Pat Hickey

• Arpon Basu not impressed by Auld signing

• Neither is Yvon Pedneault

François Gagnon’s take

You must be Jokinen – Eric Duhatschek

• Scott Burnside grades the signings

• Jim Kelley: Huge bucks aren’t out there


  1. PeterStone says:

    you know there arent holdouts anymore.  If you dont sign by some date ( october ? novemeber ? ) you are done for the season !

    No alternatives if he doesnt come back ?? Are you serious ?  Theodore doesnt have a job .. Nabs … Turco … plenty of goalies if ours overvalues his worth. 

  2. TomNickle says:

    I’m sure they want to get him for cheap on a long term deal.

    And I’m sure he doesn’t want to commit himself to a salary that could potentially be half of what he could stand to make in 3 years.

    That said, he isn’t going to sit out the season and an offer sheet going his away in the ballpark of $4-$5 million annually isn’t realistic.  Kevin Lowe isn’t a GM anymore.

  3. HabFanSince72 says:

    Didn’t I tell you all about the Dutch? Very pedestrian.

  4. G-Man says:

    It will most likely be 2-15-3 and an .895 save pctge.

  5. PeterStone says:

    frankly, if the acquisition of a backup goalie is going to cause that much of a stir, then we have bigger issues.  They already decided Price was the guy … I guess they are going to pay and pray that Price comes through. If they turn out to be wrong, so be it. 

    Personally I think Price is the least of their problems.

  6. RGM says:

    See my comment below on the difference between Price and the gentlemen you mentioned.

    Scotty Bowman said it best: “Don’t trade Carey Price.”

  7. Habhopeful says:



    There I said it…I mean it…Kinda…I believe…I really do!


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  8. RGM says:

    There is, of course, a significant difference between signing Carey Price and signing one of Turco/Nabokov – Carey Price is 22 years old, while both Turco & Nabokov are 34 years old. Carey has his entire career ahead of him while you can argue that the best days for the two veterans are well behind them. Say you’re the Washington Capitals or Colorado Avalanche or even the San Jose Sharks after dropping $2M per season on Nittymaki and you’re not 100% certain about your goaltending situation, and you’ve got the cap space available. You figure, “We look to be a top 10 team this season, a pick in the mid-to-high 20’s is worth giving up for this kid,” so you pitch a 3-year deal his way for $4M-$5M per season. This is not at all inconceivable.

    Ultimately, I think that the Habs and Price, if they are indeed apart in negotiations and not finalizing the details as we speak, it will come down to term. I would bet that the Habs are looking for a long-term deal that says, “You are our guy,” for a long time, whereas Price is possibly looking for a 3-year contract that takes him to UFA status when it’s done. The money they can figure out easily enough, but it’s long-term assurances as to the future that could be the snag, if such a snag exists, that is.

    Scotty Bowman said it best: “Don’t trade Carey Price.”

  9. TorontoHabsFan says:


    “If ever there was a situation where a holdout would be
    in order, I would imagine this would be it. If I’m Price’s agent Gerry
    Johansson, I’m shooting for the moon with this contract…Johansson knows very well the
    Habs have no recourse if his client isn’t taken care of
    , and he can use
    that to his advantage.”

    Absurd. Price can’t and won’t hold out – he, his agent, and everyone else in the world knows that Nabokov, Turco, Theodore, and Emery are desperate for work. Price’s position of strength is greatly exaggerated for effect.

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    This is what I’ve been saying all along. Halak didn’t want to stay.

  11. HabFanSince72 says:

    Size – I agree, but the boys showed a lot of grit in the playoffs.

  12. TomNickle says:

    I’ll go ahead and assume that you meant Auld and not Boyd.

    I’m not a big fan of the signing but I won’t judge it until the season has played itself out.

    If Auld plays in 20 games for the Habs this season and goes something like 12-5-3 with a 2.600 GAA and a save percentage of .905 I’m not going to be complaining.


  13. Mark C says:

    Basu is wrong, unless an offer sheet comes along (unlikely) Price has two options 1) sign a contract with Montreal or 2) hold out, and not play hockey or get paid (a very poor end game). Montreal management still holds the hammer in this negotiation.  Management’s position of strength has decreased only factions of percentage points here.  

  14. afik says:

    You are right and i agree with you! But that doesn’t answer the question. What stands here at stake is the decision itself to bring Boyd as an alternative. This is what peple are so critical about. 

  15. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – It’s too late to edit now that I know I misread the amount. 

    It’s the first mistake by a poster on H I/O since it’s inception and it had to be me!  Damn it.

    Are there any points for owning up to your mistakes?

    Have a great weekend and say hello to the boys.

  16. TomNickle says:

    I wasn’t going to bring this up today but I continue to see questioning on Gauthier’s decision to trade Price.

    Last night on Sportsnet, Doug Maclean, hockey executive who has numerous relationships in the NHL said “Halak’s camp forced the trade out of Montreal, Gauthier didn’t want to do it. Halak told Pierre Gauthier and Bob Gainey at the end of the season that he wanted to move on”.

    Please consider that the next time you roast Gauthier’s marshmellows over the fire.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    1.  LMAO.  I realized as my fingers hit the keys that I was being a bit melodramatic.  I guess I’m a bit wound up seeing that it’s July 1st and my team basically didn’t do anything.  I need to settle my nerves but you can’t drink here in Ontario until 10AM.  I’ll be better in another 8 minutes:-)

    2.  I saw a ton of heart but I still feel we need more size, grit and hitting ability.  I also think we have to ask ourselves a question.  Was that the real Habs in the playoffs or was it some Disney like run that really isn’t truly indicative of where the teamis at?  I’m hoping it’s the former but we’ll have to wait and see.

  18. Rugger says:

    Price, Cami & the Dead

  19. Jbird says:

    Price, Cammy and the Stones: They are not dead to me. 

  20. Rugger says:

    For the first time, I actually think Basu’s comments are complete BS.  Price is coming of a year in which he lost the starting role, he has no arbitration, the perception is he has a “bad attitude” so let’s make that perception worse by holding out at this point.  Fine, sit out the year what do you expect to get for a contract next year?  Look at the Goalies that are not going to be working this year, will the starting positions open up for him next year?  Holding out now would be a major shot in his own foot.

  21. Ground Chuck says:

    I’m happy with the arrangement, because it means that Price will finally get the development opportunity that last season should have been for him. At least he’s a year older, wiser, and more mature. The “lose a game and you’re benched” attitude did nothing to develop his skills. Let him play, make mistakes, and learn how to fight through adversity. That’s what you need from your #1.

    The team isn’t scoring for him? At least now that won’t be an excuse not to give him the next start.

  22. afik says:

    All critics are right! Gauthier’s recent decisions really worries me (releasing Halak and signing Boyd). Indeed, maybe he’ll become a revelation this seasont (Boyd) and prove to be worth it. It really doesn’t matter. The point is that Gauthier doesn’t know that. The risk is too high. Nobody realy understands what is going on.  Apron Basu seems to be right by saying: “I’m wondering where on that alphabetical chart the
    signing of Alex Auld fit in?  
    Clearly, Plan A was signing Dan Ellis to play alongside
    Carey Price and challenge him for ice time. But when that didn’t work,
    what was the next option? Auld? Really?”. 

  23. 24 Cups says:

    You’re right.  I could have sworn that it was reported that Hedberg went for $500000 but it is 1.5M with a no-trade clause.  I’d still take Hedberg over Auld but Gauthier hasn’t signed Price so he really doesn’t know what he’s got to spend so it’s a mute point.  I went nuts this morning when I read that Hedberg signed (allegedly) for 500 grand!!!

    Kristo.  I realize that he is developing quite nicely but he’s still just a prospect.  Ladd is just 24 and ready to contribute now so I can live with the gamble. 

  24. TomNickle says:

    Is it possible that Price hasn’t signed yet because Gauthier has had his priorities focused on UFA day and possible trades?

    Price does have a small position of strength I would concede.  But at the end of the day we’re in a deep goalie market where somebody would have to commit around $5 million annually to Price to get him from the Habs.  Is there a team in the NHL willing to surrender that number of draft picks for Price when they can sign a Nabakov or Turco without surrendering draft choices?

    Price’s leverage is make believe.  He’s an RFA available to sign an offer sheet which the Habs can match.  Price might be waiting on an offer sheet to beef up his contract, if it doesn’t come, he’ll be signing a short term deal for market value dollars, which I believe is around $3 million annually.

  25. mrhabby says:

    Steve…hedberg sign for less money that auld..really. i agree on Ladd why could that not happen is beyond me as well, a very good player and getting better.

    What really bothers me is we did not get any nasty players. our 5 on 5 was dreadful and were thrown around like rags dolls in some games last season really frustrating to watch…flyers, laffs etc got bigger and nastier.

    Its beyond me what Calgary did ..unreal actually. Talk about job security.



  26. The Big One says:

    Hamrlik is the most logical trade, but he makes a tonne of money.  In the perfect fantasy world, you trade him for a prospect or draft pick, and sign a guy like Frolov.  I think one issue that Mtl. faces is that they don’t have a guy who can play up in the top 6 if there is an injury.  For example, what if Gionta is out for 3 months?  Options are very limited.

  27. TomNickle says:

    Kubina back in Tampa Bay.

  28. showey47 says:

    I think the scenrio in hamilton is going to be similar to what is going on in montreal this upcoming season. To me it looks like desjardins is being groomed by sanford in the minors to prepare desjardins to be a backup in montreal next season. This could be why montreal only wanted to invest 1 year in a backup goalie for price. Investing in auld for only 1 season gives the habs options for the following season. They could either bring up desjardins or if he isn’t ready resign auld,or another backup,for one more year.

  29. TomNickle says: is the most reputable site on the net for actual facts when it comes to trades, signings etc.

    Not even a contest.

    Only media outlet that had speculated on Moore to Montreal.

  30. aemarchand11 says:

    91.3% of the time Price can stop the puck. Silly boy.

  31. SmartDog says:

    From Basu’s column:

    If ever there was a situation where a holdout would be in
    order, I would imagine this would be it. If I’m Price’s agent Gerry
    Johansson, I’m shooting for the moon with this contract. The Canadiens
    were negotiating from a position of strength before trading Halak and
    signing Auld, but they aren’t anymore. Johansson knows very well the
    Habs have no recourse if his client isn’t taken care of, and he can use
    that to his advantage.
    I’m sure he doesn’t want to holdout and will likely sign
    prior to training camp, but the way Gauthier has handled this situation –
    or at least the order in which he’s gone about his business – has
    empowered Price a great deal.

    This is exactly the kind of thing that pisses me off. When I GM hires someone, trades for someone, etc. we can all argue the merits of that player. Sometimse we’re right, sometimes we’re wrong.  We find out.  

    But order of things has put the player clearly in the driver’s seat.  In a cap world you can’t do that.  This is a simple business strategy that any first year MBA would know.  I’m not impressed with the way Gauthier handles things.  From trading a 2nd round pick for Moore and then even after he played so well, not working to sign the guy, to this goalie f-k up.  Alex Auld, and PRICE in the driver’s seat in contract negotiations.  Can you say cluster f-k?  I can. 

    And it’s the same issue with the Gomez deal. Everyone says “I love Gomez except for his contract”.  Gomez is an exciting player and well worth 4 million a year.  But you can’t seperate the player from the contract in today’s NHL. And Gauthier is handing Price a better contract than he deserves – and just as important – better than he HAD TO.  Which means less money for other guys.  It’s just bad management.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop.

  32. TommyB says:

    I have no problem with being “all in” with Price.  Let’s run with him this year, with no crutch (aka a challenger for number 1).  Let’s find out what we have in Carey Price once and for all.  Geeez, maybe he’ll even surprise many of you.  And hey, I’m going to Vegas and putting money on Halak not wearing a ring next spring either.

  33. avatar_58 says:

    Price and Cammy. Why? Because they are habs. Why would I care what ex-habs are up to?

  34. G-Man says:

    Too many concussions. He should retire before he really bleeps himself up.

  35. aemarchand11 says:

    Maybe Biron wanted a 2 year contract and the habs only wanted to offer 1?

  36. avatar_58 says:

    Coming to work the day after game 7 against washington wearing my habs shirt, and seeing TONS of hab fans in timmies and everywhere else. 😀 What a glorius day that was

  37. TomNickle says:


    Cammalleri(bigger the game, better he is)

    Beatles, and the easiest decision of the 3.

  38. aemarchand11 says:

    The Fourth Period tweeted last night that the Habs were dangling Andrei K as trade bait. He broke a couple trades and signings last night so I do not question his integrety, like I do Eklund.

    There was also rumors that LA was ready to trade for a Defenceman, Maybe its Hamrlik. Which may sound ludicrous, but the first thing everyone here said when we signed him was how he molded Phaneuf. Well LA has a lot of young guys down there and Roman could do what he does best and mentor them. I wouldnt be suprised to see him re-sign for a lot less money down there and take a run for the cup?

    I see Gauthier making a change or two along with a signing depending on cap space. He is just waiting for pricing to go down.

  39. dh says:

    Don’t write off Mrs. Howell.

  40. c.robillard says:

    Price, Cammi, Beatles, but I’d still listen to the Stones

  41. G-Man says:

    Controversy, schmontroversy. I want someone that will stop the bleeping puck. These 2 can’t with any consistency.

  42. TomNickle says:

    His case is much like Marleau’s.  He’s playing for money next season.  It very likely won’t matter where it is.

    Anybody other than San Jose giving Marleau $7 million per season?


  43. TommyB says:

    See….I like that.  Practicality.

  44. G-Man says:

    Halak, Cammi, and both.

  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    1. It breaks your heart that we signed Auld instead of Hedberg? Really? Your heart?

    2. Not gritty? Did you miss the playoffs this year?

  46. TomNickle says:

    I’m not sold on Eller making the team out of camp either but considering his skill set I don’t find it hard to believe that he could end up on the left wing playing with Cammalleri and Plekanec.

    Pouliot and Kostitsyn have shown they can be physical scoring forwards, consistency is the only problem.

    And I find it debatable that they need a “BIG” guy who can score.  I find it would be much more valuable to the team to find a guy who can pin the puck down low in the offensive zone and create space in front of the net.

    What big guy that can score is available that can help this team immediately either by trade or the ufa market?


  47. SlovakHab says:

    Halak, Cammalleri and the Beatles.


    But: Price + Eller + Schultz + cap space for Plekanec > Halak

    Koivu at 27 > Cammi at 27

  48. smiler2729 says:

    Didn’t I do this on Tuesday?

  49. SlovakHab says:

    24, Hedberg signed for 1.5M. How on earth would he sign for less than 1M in Montreal, with the taxes and everything.

    Moving Hamrlik? Not sure it would be a good idea. Imagine Markov misses the first 10 games and Hamrlik is gone. We would be left with Subban, O’B, Spacek, Gill and Gorges. As you know, injuries are frequent in the NHL – it is a tough league. Imagine 1 more player goes down, has a flu or underperforms.. We could start the season with a 3-7 record…

    Ladd? He went for a 2nd rounder and Vishnevski, who is ATL’s 2nd best prospect. Who would you throw in? Kristo or Leblanc?

  50. HabFanSince72 says:


  51. 24 Cups says:

    Tommy – I’m sure the Habs would want to bring back Desjardins and continue to develop him as an asset.  It’s difficult to believe that he wouldn’t be in Hamilton this year.

    Why would the Habs re-sign Sanford?  Not to replace Desjardins but to act as insurance policy for Auld in case he fumbles and stumbles.

    The Habs netminding situation is quite simple – it’s Price or nothing going into the season.  We’re all in with Carey and there’s no turning back.

  52. TommyB says:

    4. Ginger or MaryAnne?

  53. Shublips says:

    I guess I should have specified that they are still too small on the top two lines.  And yes, I know that AK and Pouliot are big guys but they have yet to show that they can play that rugged style consistently.

    As for Eller, there is no guarantee he will even make the team out of camp and if he does, he will likely be the third line center.

    Boyd is a fourth line center so he doesn’t help the top two lines either.  No, the Habs need scoring size on their top two lines otherwise, barring a huge turnaround by Pouliot and AK—which is not out of the realm of possibilites—this team will be no better offensively than they were last year.

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  54. TommyB says:

    Then I guess he is still there.  I just wondered because his name wasn’t being mentioned.  Hey, I could have gone and looked at the site myself….but why would I?  You know someone here is going to give you the answer quicker than you can look it up yourself.  God bless HIO.

  55. Puck Bard says:

    Survey (with control variable)

    1.  Price or Halak

    2.  Koivu or Cami

    3.  Beatles or Stones

  56. smiler2729 says:

    What does Philadelphia want?

    Naturally a goalie but they missed that boat. Unless they’re willing to take AK46 and/or the Hamrlik contract in some sort of deal, there’s nothing here for the Habs.

    I don’t think Gagne’s one of those french Canadians that cares if he plays in Montreal or not (wasn’t he a Nordiques fan growing up?), another Alex Tanguay.

  57. The Big One says:

    A couple of thoughts on the signings.

    – Boyd at 650 k is a pretty good deal.  A low cost bottom 6 is how you have to operate in this cap era.  He’ll have some impact.

    – This Auld signing doesn’t look great a first glance, but it does 2 things.  He is relatively cheap in comparison to other goalie signings yesterday, and has alot of experience playing in different situations.  Secondly, he’ll be a backup without any contreversy.  Price will be the definitive #1.

    – After the season, Gauthier noted that he knew that the team had some weaknesses, and new that he had to work on them.  The bottom six has been filled out, but I can’t help to wonder if he is trying to upgrade their top 6.

  58. 24 Cups says:

    It breaks my heart to think that we could have signed Johan Hedberg instead of Alex Auld and probably for less money.  G&G panicked big time on this one.  In a buyer’s market they got the 13th egg from a baker’s dozen. 

    It also drives me nuts that Gauthier couldn’t clear out any cap space.  I realize everyone thinks we should wait until the trade deadline but I would have moved now (Hamrlik) so we could have grabbed other assets.

    I really would have liked to have made a trade for Andrew Ladd.  I believe we have a 2nd rounder coming for Fischer (not signing) and we could have thrown in a propsect who is a few years away (which is exactly what Chicago is trading for).  Ladd would have competed with AK46 and Pouliot for one of the positions on the top three lines.  He has good size and likes to hit.  Might have helped on the PP.  Ready for prime time.

    We still aren’t gritty enough.  But something tells me that doesn’t matter to Martin so what’s the point of lamenting the issue.

    The deals for Gonchar, St. Louis, Jokinen/Tanguay and Booguard are beyond my comprehension.  Gonchar and St. Louis are quallity players but you are really rolling the dice with contracts that can never be taken off the cap.  Both guys will be pushing 40 near the end of their long term contracts.  Risky business.  Sather once agin proves that he is a complete jackass when it comes to being a GM.  Sutter would be fired in any other city.  He is still living off his name aned past glories.

  59. 123456 says:

    i’d swap hammer for gagne in a heartbeat but the flyers would not do that – they have cap issues and do not need a dman.

    secret mod

  60. TomNickle says:

    Funny I was under the impression that Eller and Boyd made the forward group bigger.  Maybe I’m still suffering from yesterday’s events.


  61. Shublips says:

    I don’t hate the Auld signing.  Was it the best option out there for them?  Nope.  Is it the worst thing that could have happened?  Nope.

    At the end of the day, that Habs didn’t want to spend more than $1 million on a backup and, if you follow Arpon Basu, apparently told Biron they weren’t interested when he called them to test the waters.

    So, they bring in Auld on a one year deal in a move that is low-risk.  They know they have a ton of money coming off of the books next summer, so this move gives them the maximum amount of options going forward including: re-siging Auld if they love him, letting Sanford and Desjardins challenge for the backup spot, and bringing in a compeletely different backup next year.

    Also, it makes Price the clear cut No.1 on this team, undisputed.  No goalie controversies.  No French/English debate.  And, whether you agree with the move or not, you have to respect that fact that the Habs want Price to be their number one, sink or swim, and want nothing to impede that.

    While, as usual, everyone is focused on the goaltending situation, the problem is that this team STILL can’t score and is still too small up front.  As of right now, this team is NOT better than last year’s team.  All they have done, so far, is to move sideway.



  62. Puck Bard says:

    Site has him still up, unless I missed something…

  63. TomNickle says:

    Doug Maclean tweeted last night that Simon Gagne has played his last game as a Flyer.

    If I’m Gauthier I’m trying to move out some salary to make a deal with them happen.

    Gagne isn’t big, he doesn’t always stay healthy.  But I have two words.


    Anybody think Gagne will sit out with a hang nail when he’s got millions on the line?

    Anybody think he’ll take nights and shifts off when it could mean demotion from Martin?

    He plays bigger than he is and he scores TIMELY goals.

    I’ll put it this way, I’d rather invest $5.5 million in him for one season than Roman.

  64. habs001 says:

    hopefully plecks and gomez will not be over used in the reg season as we will have some of our 3rd and 4th liners stepping up and be effective on the pk…i wonder how the points will be played by martin on the pp…will markov and subban play together …who will be the second pairing…also who will replace markov till he is back on the pp….i hope we try a forward on the pp as last year when we had injuries martin kept sending gorges and hammer out on the second pp and it did not produce but martin kept sending them out..the pp and pk will be huge for us this year as scoring will be a premium again…gomez and plecks also have to work on winning draws when the pk and pp starts and when the oppostion team pulls their goalie…

  65. SlovakHab says:

    The best memory: Waking up in the morning in Prague and my friend telling me that we won game 7 against the Penguins (couldn’t watch it at night).

    The worst memory: Up 4-1 and losing 5-6 to the Capitals in Game 2 of the series. I have never been so upset with a hockey game so much.

  66. TommyB says:

    But he’s still with us?  Good.  Desjardins was an AHL all-star last year.  He’s as ready as Alex Auld, IMO.  So, as I stated, our depth chart in goal seems fine to me.

  67. Puck Bard says:

    He’s not ready.

  68. TommyB says:

    Where does Cedric Desjardins fit into the equation?  Price and Auld with the big club, and it was mentioned (by Hickey, I think) that Sanford has been retained in Hamilton.  Is Desjardins still in Hamilton with Sanford, or was Desjardins a free agent and moved on as well?  I haven’t heard anything about him.  If Desjardins is still with us, then I will not be too worried about the depth chart in goal.  Capable goaltending is all you need, apparently, if we are to remember this year’s playoffs.  A major reason the Habs had to rely on Halak’s “heroics” (guess his shot-blocking D had little to do with it), was the fact that the Habs have trouble putting the puck in the net.  Score more goals, and our goaltending situation is just fine.

  69. 123456 says:

    nice post, while other yells and scream and say the auld deal is terrible and the habs will finish in last place – at least you bring a though to your statements. i totally understand your point of view, mgmt must think auld can carry a lot more games than sanford can…

    secret mod

  70. pic1983 says:

    You raise a good point.  I think I would have been happy giving 1-1.5 million to either Dan Ellis or Martin Biron.  Giving $1million to alex auld leaves me scratching my head.

  71. TomNickle says:

    Travis Moen blocking a shot that clearly broke at least one of his ribs, staying down for about two seconds, and then getting up like nothing happened.


  72. pic1983 says:

    Seeing as I was at the game and saw it live, Im going to have to say Halaks 50+ save performance in Game 6 against the capitals.

  73. TomNickle says:

    I don’t like the Auld signing and here’s why.

    I find Sanford to be just as capable, just as experienced in terms of time in pro hockey and very likely just as successful.

    If you have Desjardins, why not wait until the end of the month to get him a cheap backup for Hamilton on a 2 way deal.  There will be PLENTY of goalies available on August 1st.

    If Auld was the decision for $1 million this year, I don’t see how that could be better than Sanford at $500k.

    I don’t get paid to make these decisions though and Gauthier isn’t stupid, hopefully this works out.

  74. habs001 says:

    camm and gion performed as well as they can in the playoffs…barring injuries we know that they will perform in the regular season along with plecks and gomez…the rest of the forwards are all big question marks…ak46 is the only other forward who has shown he can score at the 20+ goals…but he sometimes scores 5 goals in 10 games and than scores 2 in the next 20…pouliot has only shown scoring for a 30 game stretch in his entire career and now finished the year with one goal in 32 games….the rest of our forwards from last year have shown very little scoring abilities…that leaves us eller who has upside but has only played 7 nhl games and boyd who could turn into a 20 goal guy…it does not look like we can add any proven goal scorers to the line up …

  75. 123456 says:

    OK now that is has been some time since the Habs post season run – what is each person’s most memerable moment (if you have one).

    Mine has to be game 1 against the caps – an OT winner that set the tone for the nice run. recall the trash talking between jose and pleks before the game…. then pleks netted the OT winner

  76. adam76 says:

    Someone explain to me why I should be looking forward to the start of training camp?

  77. SlovakHab says:

    In the recent history, the periods of promising big signings and big optimism (the centennial season and signings of Tanguay, Laraque, Lang..) were followed by a bad season and disappointments.

    On the other hand, I remember periods of pessimism where everyone was asking – why we have signed Kostopoulos, Brisebois and why is Huet our No.1 goalie, (that period was followed by the 1st place in the conference) and last off-season when everyone was complaining about signing Gill, Gomez and Spacek (that off-season was followed by a decent season and ECF).

    Let’s see what this team is made of before we complain. Bruins, Leafs, Sabres and Senators are all beatable. I know Halak is a much much better goalie than Auld and that’s the spot that could hurt the most, but sometimes an average goalie has a cindarella run (Clemmensen in NJ when Brodeur went down, Leighton with Philly, Anderson with Colorado, Thomas with Boston.. etc.) and sometimes a presumably decent player struggles – and it could have happened to Ellis in Montreal, we’ll just never know.

  78. TomNickle says:

    There’s one big reason to be excited right now from where I sit.

    The team has 11 forwards under contract with only $6 million in cap room left.  They’re either going to sign a ufa forward now or bring up a couple of kids this season.

    You’ll either see an addition to our top 6 forwards by free agency like Frolov, Afinogenov or somebody else skilled or you’re going to see a couple of kids come up again like Pacioretty, White or maybe even a Palushaj.

    Sink or swim year for Pouliot and Kostitsyn too.

    A lot of players are on one year deals or in the last year of their contracts.  They should be playing their nuts off come October.

  79. Puck Bard says:

    The two posts below by Tom and Slovak are excellent responses to your question, and a great morning read here at HIO

  80. TomNickle says:

    Sorry I just don’t see it.

    Trading a scoring roster player for a prospect or pick at the deadline if you’re in a position to make the playoffs has never made sense to me.  You’ve already paid 3 quarters of his salary and in Andrei’s case he’s an RFA.  You’re far better off waiting till the offseason when you have his rights but aren’t paying him.

    If you’re in the basement, then that’s a different story.

  81. Habhopeful says:

    I guess it depends on where the teams stands around the trade deadline but I think PG is well aware of AK’s inconsistency issue and PG would not be afraid to trade him regardless if we are heading to the playoffs or not…PG has shown he’s not scared to make moves that better the team…I think thatll happen…I could be wrong but im willing wager good sir! Ak is gone by max the trade deadline….


    Remember this face and those words Tommy! lol 


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  82. habs4last says:

    when have habs ever added scoring at the deadline????? with the exception of Kovalev,


  83. TomNickle says:

    19 hour member who’s name has a striking resemblance to a few others who post anti-hab trash on this site.

    Welcome aboard.  How many user names does that make for you?

  84. Habhopeful says:

    Careful Tom…under his previous alias “Habsrdestiny” he was threatening to punch people in the balls lol wear a jock next time you comment about him!


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  85. Habhopeful says:

    lol so with the Kovalev being the exception…That kinda Nulls your “NEVER” statement doesnt it?


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  86. HabsFanNorway says:

    Sorry, but we have about 5,3 to sign Price, Laps and maybe Moore. So we don’t have the cash for Frolov or anyone else. To bad, I would have liked Frolov!


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  87. TomNickle says:

    Sorry, but you’re assuming that Eller makes the big club.

    And when you take into account the number of games that Markov is likely to miss, we have around $6.5 million in cap room.

  88. HabsFanNorway says:

    Hope you’re right, but Arpon Basu have these numbers:

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  89. TomNickle says:

    Thank you.  He may have those numbers but he isn’t taking into account that Markov’s individual game checks are just north of $70k.

    He misses 10-15 games and you can knock close to $1 million off of the cap number.

    And of course it’s assuming that all of the one way players start on the big club, which is rarely the case.

  90. TommyB says:

    I like your thinking, Tom.  But I thought I read somewhere in the last few days that PG figures Markov could be ready to go on opening night.  Now, even if he were off by a bit with his enthusiasm, you can pretty much figure that Markov is not going to be missing too many games.  The cap numbers spin my head around.  I’ll hope you are correct, and if you are…”hey Marky, let’s not take any chances.  Let’s wait a month more just to be safe.”  😉

  91. TomNickle says:

    I’m hopeful for that too.  Recovery time on an acl tear is 6 months by rule of thumb, and that’s before you can starting working out.  Of course that timeline isn’t set in stone and Markov is a quick healer, but is he really gonna be in game shape if he can’t train until September at the earliest?

    I see him missing 10 games easily, it may not be something to bank on going into the season, but I think it will afford the club an extra million dollars at one point, whether it be now or during or after October.


  92. N.B.habs fan says:

    The Canadiens club has been mystery for the last 2 years,but seem to find a way to keep us at the edge of our seat.We been looking for that big foward to take us to the cup,seems like we may have to wait again this year.

  93. habs001 says:

    i hope you are right…we had a great playoff run but in the regular season we were outplayed most fact dominated in many games…right now and i know we may still add a few players we are not any closer to beating the flyers who are the eastern conference champs….

  94. Puck Bard says:

    To be fair, the new guys took time to gel (that one’s for Timo), and we had some unfortunate injuries down the stretch.

    This is not a team with depth: everything  and everyone needs to click for it to function: not how I want it, but that’s the fact.

  95. Habhopeful says:

    Honestly…No big fan of Akost…BUT…I think we should keep him for the year…It will be his contract year and contract years mean he will be playing his butt off…regardless of his nationality, he still needs a (NHL) Job…With that being said….He should be traded at the deadline along with Hamrlik in order to get some cheap assets in return such as picks or Prospects…So if he has a good year and is traded before the deadline…Lets not complain that we are trading him away because an inconsistent player like himself…needs to be traded when is value his at its highest so we can get maximum return…


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  96. TomNickle says:

    I love the idea but Habs Management have shown us that they have a philosophy of adding scoring at the deadline, not trading it away.

    If Andrei Kostitsyn is here as a member of the team come March, he will be through May in my opinion.  Maybe shopped as an RFA but I would give you some nice odds on a bet where I take him not being traded at or around the deadline.


  97. alestar says:

    While I am happy to see Boyd signed, I cannot believe that Alex Auld is now a Hab. He has consistently been the model of inconstitency throughout his career.

    Auld always starts strong and then collapses…is this really the guy we want as a mentor for Price?



    XXIV…and counting

  98. Ian Cobb says:

    He is a mature pro back up.

  99. Ian Cobb says:

    Once we start our fall camp, to find out who is ready for this league and makes our roster. That is when we make our final moves as in a trade or two. This year we are going to be as fast as last year, bigger and younger.

    Be nice to see the final product on the ice so that we can judge a bit better. But all in good time. There might even be a shock or a surprise yet to come. —More Fan Summit Information

  100. Puck Bard says:

    There’s a lot to be said for sticking with the hand we’ve been dealt for a change rather than endlessly (and pointlessly) shuffling the deck chairs with mediocre talent. 

    There IS still talent out there, but none of it we can afford… so roll the dice with this group. I think it was Burnside who said Gauthier’s maneuvers with goaltending have cost us a playoff spot, but I disagree. This lot can be competitive… the Cup? Most unlikely, but they’ll put in their best and work like a team. 

  101. Ian Cobb says:

    John–I think your right. Lets just wait until we hit the ice to judge if we are a better team this year. I believe we are. And there are players near ready on the farm.—More Fan Summit Information

  102. shootdapuck says:

    Ian, does being bounced by nine, no make that 10 including the Canadiens this coming year, make Auld a “mature pro backup”?

    The guy has flopped in 30% of the NHL in 6 years!

    Look at his year in Ottawa with a better team than the 2010-2011 Habs in front of him, its ugly!

    Another Rangers hand-me-down, remember Mara?


    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3”

  103. 123456 says:

    if you are going to call auld a rangers hand me down then i’ll point out his 2.5 GAA and over .9 save percentage with the rangers – not too shabby

  104. Ian Cobb says:

    You know, funny things happen to players, including goal tenders, when they find themselves in the true mecca of the hockey world.

  105. Ian Cobb says:


  106. shootdapuck says:

    Come on guys, get some perspective!

    Auld starred with the Rangers?

    In how many games?? Three?

    Lundquist takes a night off once a month.

    In Dallas he played in 21 games had a GAA = 3.00 and Save %age= .894!

    If he was that good and that cheap how on earth did he get away from New York, Dallas, Ottawa, Vancouver etal?



    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3”

  107. Mark C says:

    What’s ugly about Alud’s time in Ottawa, he had a .911% that year in 43 games?

    He played in three games, only one being a start for the Rangers, how does that make him a hand-me-down? And how does this have any corrilation with Mara?

  108. shootdapuck says:

    What’s ugly?

    After starting 9-6-3 look at his finish 7-12-0.

    Ugly enough?

    Lost his job to Elliot and Lalime!



    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3”

  109. shootdapuck says:

    Mara like Auld was a Ranger castoff!

    If either was any good whatsoever and are so cheap how were they let go unsigned as a UFA!


    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3”

  110. KenD29 says:

    Your picture is NOT ugly !

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  111. smiler2729 says:

    Alex Auld is a competent backup… but we’ll see.

    Carey Price, it’s time for him to sh!t or get off the pot so if the pressure gets the better of him, he’s going to make everyone from scouts to GMs to hockey writers to Scotty Bowman look bad. How’s that for pressure? Carey Price, we all know, has the right stuff… but we’ll see.

    Lars Eller is the prospect Blues fans hated giving up… but we’ll see.

    2010-2011 Montreal Canadiens should be good, competitive and entertaining… but we’ll see.

    We can bitch, complain, discuss, debate, argue all we want for the next two and a half months but the bottom line is… we’ll see.

  112. G-Man says:

    Signing Auld at $1 mil when Sanford could be backup for chump change is yet another sign of Goatier. With hack Auld making a million, how much will Price’s agent want? Yet another great move this off-season, sending the Habs closer to the cellar.

  113. pic1983 says:

    It was definitely a huge mistake acquiring a goalie that in no way makes the Price camp nervous.

    Price and his agent have all kinds of leverage now.

  114. derfab says:

    Higgins turned down a Calgary offer. At 2.5 mil. I like him more than AK or Pouliot.

  115. smiler2729 says:

    More than AK46 but Pouliot and Higgins are the same with Ben having more upside, Higgs’ boat sailed a couple of years ago… he’s more slump than score but at least he never lollygags like AK46.

  116. avatar_58 says:

    Who the hell would go there given how insane the GM is?

  117. 123456 says:

    i do not believe your statement – i thought a player had to play and then leave calgary for another team before getting an offer – secret mod

  118. pic1983 says:

    Its hard to say if we will be a better team or not this year.  However, on paper, considering none of our opposition in the east improved dramatically, if we can avoid injury troubles I think we’ll have a great season.

  119. Mark C says:

    Can’t even campare Higgins with AK47 at this point, AK47 had 7 more goals in 8 less games than Higgins last year. You are right the ship has sailed with Higgins, I would not be against bring him back, but he’s a bottom six forward at this stage. 

  120. Mark C says:

    Price and his agent have very little added leverage, unless their end game is to hold-out until their numbers are met.

  121. ed lopaz says:

    why is it that whenever Doug Maclean was quoted about anything before yesterday, this board would light

    up with comments like – “Maclean doesn’t know crap, Maclean is unreliable, Maclean is a fool”,

    but today, Maclean’s word about the Halak story is the gospel truth??

    any way, here are the facts, and let’s just stick to them, as opposed to second hand BS from a has been GM.

    fact #1: The Habs spent 18/19 playoff games TRAINING AND DEVELOPING a young goalie

    fact # 1: That “young goalie” now plays for the St Louis Blues


    therefore, I think its not healthy to continue discussing the St Louis Blues goalie.

    If the Habs really wanted Halak to stay, they could have made it happen in a minute.

    The Habs did NOT really want Halak to stay, because the Habs believe in Carey Price (even though Price didn’t get any playoff experience last season)

    If the Habs believe in Carey Price, and I cheer for the Habs, then I cheer for their goalie – Carey Price.

    This marks the end of all MY comments regarding Price vs Halak.

    Thank you.

    Have a nice day!


  122. TripleX says:

    So true, so true.

    Halak himself said he was never contacted by Montreal about a new contract.  I will take his word of what he supposedly said over Doug McLean.

    It is over and the Habs will live or die with Price.  No more excuses this is his team now.



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  123. Bill H says:

    Sorry, can’t quite agree with some of your facts, Ed.  Not to mention that I’ve lost confidence in your ability to count.

    fact #1: The Habs spent 18/19 playoff games TRAINING AND DEVELOPING a
    young goalie

    fact #1a: The Habs got farther into the playoffs than they have in a decade by riding a hot goalie.

    fact # 1: That “young goalie” now plays for the St
    Louis Blues

    fact #1b: The Habs had 2 talented young goalies.  They were up tight against the cap and couldn’t afford one, so they got what they could for him.

    fact # 3: NONE OF US CHEER FOR THE ST LOUIS BLUES therefore, I think its not healthy to continue discussing the St Louis
    Blues goalie.

    fact #3a: what happened to fact #2?  I’m not sure its bad for our health, but I would agree that its getting very old and its not that interesting.  But hey, around here, we still debate the Roy trade. Imagine if Halak wins a Cup in St. Louis.  We can continue the discussion on through the year 2034.

  124. 24 Cups says:

    Kubina goes home to Tampa on a two year contract.  He’s a pretty solid Dman.  No mention of coin yet. (maybe it’s for $500000 just like Hedberg!).


  125. Mark C says:

    3.85 per…not a bad deal.

  126. mike g says:

    He’s lost a ton of foot speed in the past 3 years though..

    He can still put up 30-35 points max on that team, but not much more. Offensively he’s pretty good, but he struggles at times in his zone.

    It’s a good signing at 2 mill or less.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  127. Bugs says:


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  128. pmaraw says:

    brazil looks like they’re off the mark while hollands chances are a lot closer and are tougher to defend, but we’ll see.


  129. SlovakHab says:

    It’s Sneijder.

    I strongly believe Brazil will win. You may claim the Dutch team has toughness, but having lived in the NL for 1.5 years and watching the league as well as the national team, they don’t really play tough (except for De Jong, Van Bommel and Heitinga). Brazil has more skill and talent.

    2:1, LOL

  130. pmaraw says:

    if you think habs fans are upset about losing halak….  how on earth do you think chicago fans feel?  how many gwg’s did byfuglien have?   their puny forwards lost their anchor.

  131. Mad Habber says:

    Yeah, Byfuglien…Funny that THN and almost everyone else thought the Hawks won that trade. They most have missed the playoffs…

    My dad is a Hawks fan, watches a lot of their games, and he says the only player they’ve gotten rid of that they are going to miss truely miss is Byfuglien.

  132. TomNickle says:

    Is there not a moderator who can delete the piece of trash that Tony242 is and ensure nobody with his IP signs up for an account.

    Really, enough is enough.

    Put every HIO out of their misery and send Tony packing permanently.


  133. mike g says:

    I strongly agree…..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  134. pmaraw says:

    ya i dont get it, how is timo removed, yet this troll is given free roam to trash every single post in here and promote the leafs while at the same time claiming everyone else is a leafs fan…  timo is clearly a habs fan, they even started a get together in calgary with him and a few others to watch habs games.  all tony does is pick fights, rip management and bash current players.

  135. kempie says:


  136. Habhopeful says:

    tony man, go get laid or something!

     Edit: without using your credit card lol

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  137. Natrous says:

    How did Timo get booted? I know he’s got a lot of MAB comments up his sleeve, but they’re not half as belligerent as Tony### “contributions”..

  138. db says:

    hey buddy, instead of bashing why not offer something…. like which GM would you rather see here and why… give me something to think about at least, now i see a Tony### comment and i skip it… dude, i hardly ever post here but man.. lay off a bit will ya, we get it… you dont like the team, management, other fans, hockey, hot dogs at the bell centre, youppi…..



  139. mike g says:


    Ohlund was overpaid last year, I guess this year was Kubina’s turn

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  140. Mark C says:

    Maybe so, but it’s better than paying Vokchenkov 4.25 for the next six years.

  141. adamkennelly says:

    lets see here…Raitas Ivanas, Tim Jackman, Eric Nystrom, Adam Burrish, John Scott..and to a way lesser extent – Boogard and Shelley – who I would never want  – good enough and signed by team bunch of teams who need those types of players less than us (including the cup champions) but our Habs do nothing in that dept.  How is it that our management does not see one piece of the puzzle that is

    A- easy to fix

    B- fairly cheap to fix

    C- provides room and comfort for our small skilled forwards

    D- makes this team more difficult to play against (since the entire league knows – Habs = cake walk game)

    and they do nothing. 

  142. SlovakHab says:

    Ivanans is not a hockey player. 0 points in 61 games, minus-8 and lead the team in MINOR penalties.
    Scott? Not a hockey player either. Tim Jackman? c’mon
    Give me a 3rd or 4th liner that can play – one more Travis Moen.

  143. db says:

    is arthukin (sp?) still available?  He’s built like a brick house… and can skate a bit too

  144. Tony000 says:

    Spoken like a true loser.

  145. KenD29 says:

    Wow, someone looks like they have their Habs PJ’s on a little to tight this morning!


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  146. Propwash says:

    I’m almost convinced you’re PJ Stock


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  147. punkster says:

    I disagree. In a crowd of the that size (21000 plus) it is likely that only a portion of them will express their displeasure, not all, after just one mistake. Just how many is only a guess. It could be a few boo birds and a few others who walk out. It could be 10%, 20%, 30% or even more who boo and/or walk out. I think it unlikely, given all the evidence in the recent past to go by, that more than just a vocal few hundred or thousand would actually boo. And it will take more than one blunder by Price for that to happen. As to your second point, the crowd “hopng and urging it to happen”, well that too is highly unlikely. It would take 21000 plus very small minded fans to magically appear in the building for that to happen. The vast majority of fans who attend the games are ordinary poeple just like us and we don’t hope for their failure, do we?


  148. ZepFan2 says:

    My God, that sounds eeerily like YOU.

    You’d be the happiest person on this planet if the Habs failed.

    It would justify (in your mind) all of the thousands of posts denouncing GAINEY and GAUTHIER you make on a daily basis. Happy in the thought that you were right all along and all those LEFTISTS were wrong.

    Good for you.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  149. says:


    -2 for depressing the site

    They Call Me Shane

  150. Propwash says:

    Holland 2-1 :O


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  151. Bugs says:

    Schneider again!!!


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  152. Max_a_million says:

    Shocking Brazil was in control, and Holland was mounting a weak offensive than this!

  153. likehoy says:

    sneijder has been in a dominant form since the UCL finals

  154. Max_a_million says:

    Anyone who is hoping for any of our players to fail should really find another team they prefer to root for.  You are not a fan if you hope for your players to fail regardless of if you agree with their signing or not.  This is a fan site.  

  155. Bugs says:

    Brazil coming undone!!!

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  156. Propwash says:

    See that stomp? Dirty bastiche


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  157. likehoy says:

    what an idiot…as stupid as komo

  158. andrewberkshire says:


  159. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    So you’re saying unless someone loves every player on a team unconditionally, they are not a true fan? 

  160. Storm Man says:

    Well done by Holland.

  161. Propwash says:

    This is just the weirdest World Cup. I think Spain will take it though.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  162. Bugs says:


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  163. KenD29 says:

    Speaking da Deutsch??!!! 


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  164. SlovakHab says:

    Lived there and got my master degree in Holland, but meh…. Very disappointed about the result. Football lost again.

  165. Tony000 says:

    I think you missed the point, sure state whatever you want about a player, manager or the team, but to say this;

    “The crowd and especially in the “high seats” as gainey insults them, not only be on Price’s back at his first blunder but will be hoping and urging it to happen from the word go this fall!”

    Well that’s a little over the top, wouldn’t you say?

  166. pic1983 says:

    Well you may not like them, but you should be cheering for them and hope they succeed, not hope they fail.

  167. habs001 says:

    bye bye brazil

  168. Storm Man says:

    Brazil is out of the world cup, Now twitter is over capacity what is next :)

  169. hab_skill says:

    Kubina for 2 years and 7.7 million???? Thats a lot of dough.

  170. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Pavel Kubina to Tampa Bay again for 2 year, 7.7 M. (3.85 each season)

    Personally, I prefer Foster over Kubina.

  171. joeybarrie says:

    The only thing that is lost, is FIFA ranking Brazil number 1. Spain won the Euro and Italy won the last world cup. Brazil didn’t have the team this time. I liked Hollands chances from the start of the game. Better players with more desire. I found (even before the stamp) Brazil’s players were dirtier… Alves especially. And I really don’t like Robinho, HUGE baby.

    Happy with this result. Especially with the Stomping. Pathetic sportsmanship.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  172. SlovakHab says:

    Well I didn’t watch the second half (only listened to TV), so can’t comment on that one.

  173. The Cat says:

    I only caught the 2nd half, is it me or was Holland allowed to get away with murder out there?

  174. 420cups says:

    that’s not his real name and in portuguese it doesn’t mean shit, it’s also pronounced different than the spanish word ‘caca’. hence the accent on the last a. 


  175. likehoy says:

    truth…van bommel and de jong were taking out everyone on the field, and bastos gets a yellow for 3 tackles on robben.

    double standards but it happens.

  176. Bugs says:

    They’re murderers, what do you expect?

    And it was beautiful to watch Brazil coming undone as a consequence.

    Holland vs Uruguay is gonna be a friggin humdinger. Or a cracker, if you prefer.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  177. ZepFan2 says:

    No, but I read your post saying Beliveau is more liekly to play then it is Boyd signing with us.

    What happened to your conspiracy about salary dump by the preds, mister one-trick pony??


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  178. mrhabby says:

    the orange no longer under the radar.

  179. Mad Habber says:

    You know, everyone is looking at the Auld signing and saying what a waste. However, if management, really, truely believes that Price is going to turn it around, than Auld seems like a good signing.

    If you look at Price’s critics, there have been a lot about his attitude. The funny thing about it is, when he was draft it was the opposite. He was supposed to be a cool as a cucumber, not easily rattled, and able to shake off bad goals. However the Price of the last two seasons, has not exactly been that guy.

    On the other side, he has a huge winning pedigree. As far as Price career has gone, he had been successful at every level he’s played at, including the NHL, even if it is small. However all that success came earlier, now though it seems like he is spinning his wheels. For the first time in his career, he is facing some adverisity.

    Have you ever heard, how when someone that had a good family life growing up, they sometimes have difficulty once they go out and face the world for themselves? If you flip it to hockey, Carey Price is at the junction in his career. His seen success, and then it has alluded him. How will he face adversity? So far he seems to have flounder for a while, and he is slowly picking himself back up.

    What does this have to do with Auld? Well, you could say that Auld is the opposite of Price. Auld hasn’t exactly had success, no one has ever mistaken him for a number one (except early in his career) yet he has managed to carve out a career. Over the past several season, he has faced adveristy, and well, survived. If Auld is brought in as a mentor, character, not stats might be his biggest asset.



  180. pmaraw says:

    LOL  BURN  good one zep!!!  see tony, when you run your mouth, people dont forget.

  181. Bugs says:

    You see what I’m sayin?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  182. Propwash says:

    @ Triple-x

    In short, I don’t think Halak would have
    repeated this year’s performance, its happened more often than not
    amongst goaltenders. They have a terrific season, get signed for way
    more money, then take their foot off the gas.

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat.

  183. punkster says:

    No tanks!


  184. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    Is Priceberg signed yet?

  185. aemarchand11 says:

    Spreken da Deutsch!!? 😀

  186. ZepFan2 says:

    Oh just watch. He’ll come back stumbling on about, “cheap players only”, or some crap like that.

    I can’t believe their are people who actually defend this clown.

    It’s one thing to state and give an opinion, it’s another to drone on and on, over and over, day in and day out with the same message. As if nobody has seen it for the thousandth time. For those that say, “just ignore his posts.”, ah, easier said then done considering each thread is polluted by his rants.

    And…cut! 😉


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  187. likehoy says:

    my theory to price not having been signed yet is that they’re trying to work out a long term deal that fits both parties.

    short-term, i can see price averaging 2.5/yr over the next 3 years…but i think gauthier is looking at a 5-6 year deal…which will boost that cap hit to probably 3-3.5 million

    what do you guys think? should we get price for a short term deal and let him prove his worth or lock him up long-term?

  188. SeriousFan09 says:

    The management is to blame for creating the rift? Halak’s Twittering agent was the one who started the rift up with his nonsense and the trade talk. You do not call out the management of your hockey team and than expect them to bend to your will.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  189. TripleX says:

    The consensus argument for NOT giving Halak a lucrative long term contract was that he had not proven anything yet.

    I fail to see the logic of giving Price a long term contract for the very same reasons.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  190. Habhopeful says:

    Sheldon Souray on waivers as per Kukla’s Korner,


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  191. Max_a_million says:

    Ummm … criticizing players and hoping for them to fail are not the same thing at all.

    I don’t think a fan hopes for his team to fail.  People get ridiculously shortsided in who they like when the hope for their players to fail.  

    I thought MAB was a bonehead most nights, but I sure wanted him to score a ton of goals and help my team win.

  192. likehoy says:

    well before we had 2 goalies, but now we only have 1…and a lack of depth in that position…i say we’re in a little bit more of a desperate position…unfortunately.

  193. ZepFan2 says:

    Better question.

    Is Halak signed yet?


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  194. HardHabits says:

    I was thinking the same thing.

  195. ZepFan2 says:

    Maybe he’s going to test the market?

    If he doesn’t sign with St. Louis, I wonder what Mr. Happy will say then.


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  196. sidhu says:

    We should get him if he’s on re-entry — 2.75m a year for him is not bad at all. 

  197. ZepFan2 says:


    Pylons need not apply!


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  198. KenD29 says:

    Agreed! Not to mention “Broken” pylons at that! Especially at $2.75 mil. 

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  199. KenD29 says:

    He’s “Restricted”, not “Unrestricted”

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  200. TripleX says:


    Bobby Ryan is an RFA and he just told Anaheim to go stuff their 25 million five year deal.  LOL

    RFA’s DO have negotiating power and Price has lots of it.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  201. HardHabits says:

    Did Chi or Phi lean on goaltending like a crutch last SCF? We complain about Auld!! The Flyers signed Let-it-in ferchrissakes!!!!

    The bottom line is if the Habs are going to let the other team pepper them with 45+ shots than they don’t deserve to be in the play-offs.

    The season rests on the shoulders of the defensive system. If the Habs limit the opposition to an average of 25 shots per game they could win easily win the division.

    I have been one of Price’s major critics and have supported Halak as the starter since about game 20 last season, even when Price had his good blip.

    I’d be willing to wager that Price ends up in the top 5 or at least the top 10 goalies in the NHL next season. Nevertheless, the Habs will be a good team next year, but will be a very good team the next one after that. Patience friends patience.

    Tony242 = being perpetually on the rag.

  202. HardHabits says:

    BluesInsideOut will acquire a new poster named Tony.

  203. The Cat says:

    Which begs the question: Why did the habs toss away their bargaining power with Price?

  204. ZepFan2 says:

    Really? I was going for 50, but wth. lol


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  205. ZepFan2 says:


    I piity the fools!


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  206. Propwash says:

    Bingo, routinely allowing 45+ shots doesn’t win you many games. No matter who is in goal.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  207. terrygain says:

    5 to 6 years for an unproven goalie sounds about right. But why not 100 million over 20 years? 

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  208. ooder says:

    what kind of negotiating power does Price have now though

    Bobby Ryan scored 35 goals last season

    carey price was drafted 5th overall 5 years ago lol


    88 is the new 23

  209. Ground Chuck says:

    Scoring more than 2 per game might not be a bad idea, either. 

  210. punkster says:

    Given his history and stats I believe your forecasts are way above a reasonable contract value. If he is signed for any more than $1.5M per year and any longer than 2 years I would be unhappy (give or take a few hundred K and a year or so). My feeling is that a goaltender who lacks consistency, no matter how many great stats you can throw at me, is not worth more than your average 3rd line player or number 5 or 6 D-man. With the minimal wiggle room we have in the Cap I’m all for playing hardball back at Price. Take a modest raise and a short term deal or walk. Goalies are out there if we need them.


  211. The Cat says:

    Unless your team is bad at scoring, then catching the other goalie cold could be your best strategy.

  212. KenD29 says:

    Precisely… negotiating power based on what, his good looks and attitude?!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  213. ooder says:

    so sad to see a great soccer nation lose so unluckily to those diving whining deutch


    88 is the new 23

  214. KenD29 says:

    Yes. The question is, would another team not have done so by now if there was that much interest?

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  215. KenD29 says:

    I would too if I was in Anaheim!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  216. The Cat says:

    Yeah I dont care for the dutch either; all tall and weird.

  217. KenD29 says:

    Brazillian players are any better?!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  218. punkster says:

    Again, maybe it’s a blue moon or hell is about to freeze over…but I agree with you. I answered above. All this placing our tenders on a pedestal is just a stupid waste of money. We need scorers and a D man or two, not an overpaid goalie, which is what Halak would have become if he stayed (sorry, had to put that in 😉


  219. B says:

    Price can not play every game. I just don’t feel as comfortable that “the other goalie” when he starts will give them as good of a chance to win as he did last season. I hope I am proven wrong on this, but the overall goaltending seems weaker now (and this on a team very similar to last season’s that had trouble scoring and needed strong goaltending just to scrape into the playoffs).

    Hopefully, Price should be able to provide strong starting goaltending like Halak did for them last season. I am not so hopefull that Auld will provide as strong of a back up goaltending as Price did for them last season. So over all, I don’t see the team being better than last season, if anything they seem a bit weaker. Again, I hope I am proven wrong on this.

  220. krob1000 says:

    Crappy thing about he Souray waiving is it may kill any market (if one exists right now) for Hamrlik.  Souray has an extra year and isn’t as good defensively but can score goals, is a character guy and is tough as nails. 

  221. ooder says:


    the 5 stars on the shirt begs to differ


    88 is the new 23

  222. The Cat says:

    Ive always liked him for those reasons but 2.75 mil maybe too much for him since hes getting diminished with injuries.

  223. punkster says:

    My repetitive thought since last fall; we need a couple of scorers and another D or two to be contenders.

    We don’t need to be spending valuable Cap dollars on goalies. We got enough of them in the system.


  224. JIMVINNY says:

    Higgins to the Panthers.  Great.  Another ex-hab who will become a hab killer on a hab killing team.

  225. B says:

    But what would his cap hit be? Even if Edmonton picks up half his $4.5M salary for the next two seasons, would he still carry his $5.4M cap hit?

  226. ooder says:

    right because he really “killed” the habs when they played the rangers


    88 is the new 23

  227. Rugger says:

    Of all the ex-Habs out there, Higgy is one of the ones I least worry about becoming a Hab killer along with Komi.

  228. TripleX says:


    Price’s agent has the best negotiating tactic ever.  Hey PG who else you going to put in net?  Auld?  ROFL

    Show me the money!


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  229. JIMVINNY says:

    I’ll bet he plays better for florida.

  230. krob1000 says:

    Funny thing this new NHL ….. you could have a line of Higgins, Tanguay, Koivu for 5.8 million dollars…. with Foster at 1.8 million and the salary wold be 7.5 million dollars.

  231. JIMVINNY says:

    I still think HIggy’s got a lot to offer.  He can play, reagrdless of his recent struggles.

  232. TripleX says:

    Come on Punkster.  Out of the closet.  You are a closet “tanker”.



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  233. ZepFan2 says:

    Like he was in NY?


    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  234. Rugger says:

    Pretty safe bet considering his past year.  So much potential, I wonder what happened.

  235. JIMVINNY says:

    Rafael Nadal is through to the Winbledon final, where he will face 12th seeded Tomas Berdych.

  236. JIMVINNY says:

    See below.

  237. A. Berke says:

    Sorry to remind you but do you remember Rivaldo (2002 WC in game against Turkey). It was after his diving charade and cheating that FIFA instigated awarding freekicks (and cards) against divers.

    Yes there are divers in most teams but (I’m not a racist) Latin country teams seem to do it quite a bit more than the others.

    Obviously you were rooting for Brasil but the kettle calling the pot?

    The Dutch won the game clear and free of arguments and if your reference about Felipe Melo getting the red card, I suggest you watch the replay and you’ll (hopefully) see that after a run-of-the-mill foul, Melo didn’t stop there and he stepped on the leg of Robben (a la Pronger), if that didn’t deserve a red card I don’t know what else would.

    BTW, it is Dutch and not deutch.  :)

    Ali B.

  238. GrimJim says:

    To average roughly 3 goals per game for the season, you need your top 6 forwards to average 25 goals, your bottom 6 forwards to average 10 goals and your defense to average 5 goals. So my question is can the line-up as it currently stands achieve this?

    BTW, 6,803 goals were scored last season in 2460 games for an average of 2.76 goals per game. So scoring three goals per game is significantly above average (only five teams did it last year).

  239. Bugs says:

    Holland won fair and square.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  240. Bugs says:

    Gonna hafta keep on beggin then.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  241. A. Berke says:

    There’s no 3- 3.5 mil available in the pot, no can do!

    Ali B.

  242. A. Berke says:

    Championships and diving are not mutually exclusive.

    Yes Brazilians always have a very talented team but let’s face it, they do quite a bit of diving too.

    Ali B.

  243. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Agent: “Hey PG Who you gonna put in the net?”

    PG: “Hmm…seems to me I could also get Nabokov, Turco, or…wait for it…hometown boy Theodore for a song these days. You know mr. agent – the money we have earmarked for your client isn’t set in stone”

    Agent: *crickets chirping*


    I don’t know how many times it needs to be said – Price has a very small amount of leverage, the same leverage any RFA has: slow down negotiations and hope the natives get restless so management panics into a less favourable deal. True to form, the habs faithful are doing their part!

  244. ManApart says:

    Well we downgraded our goalie’s by a huge margin, got no more size or scoring and no more D. Pretty great stuff, so far.

  245. Ground Chuck says:

    Scoring 3 goals per game SIGNIFICANTLY increases your chance of winning to well over .500. Scoring under 2 goals per game guarantees you a losing record.

  246. pic1983 says:

    Did you really just call the dutch divers in a match where they were playing brazil?

  247. pic1983 says:

    Im Pretty sure the teams split the money paid and the cap hit.  So we would have to pay him 2.25 million, and have the cap hit of 2.75.

  248. pic1983 says:

    Except for the fact that he is now dealing from a position of strength.  I dont know if i would even be happy with carey signing a one or two year deal in the $1.5million/season area.  You dont want to lowball him, you want him to be HAPPY, and to feel valued.  Giving him a little bit more money than hes worth to show him we have faith in him I think is a good first step to getting him back on track.  4 years and $12 million I think is extremely fair. 

    all these suggestions of lowballing or hardballing him are not going to make for a good relationship, and severely diminish his chance for success.

  249. punkster says:

    I don’t think we necessarily downgraded. Yes, Halak was good. Between him and some stellar shot blocking by the D we out performed what the so-called experts predicted. But he was going to be too expensive and maybe that run was just a fluke, a blip in his career. Too bad but them’s the breaks. I look at it this way, if he hadn’t done so well in those 2 series he would have been traded anyways. We still don’t have those scorers or D that I want but we haven’t gotten any worse.


  250. TripleX says:

    I am sure his agent would gladly call that bluff.  For a bluff is all it adds up to.  The bad PR fallout for a non signing of Price and bringing in another goalie contract would be immense.

    Montreal has made NO doubt that Price is the CHOSEN ONE.  The pressure is on PG to get the deal done in a timely manner.  This alone is negotiating power.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  251. punkster says:

    Now here I have to disagree strongly. The concept of overpaying someone prior to demonstrating their real value is just foreign to me. Maybe it’s the way of the business world today, I don’t know because I’ve been retired for a couple of years. I can’t count the number of times I witnessed executives and middle or upper level managers land contracts they never lived up to and frankly had no intention or capability of doing so. I realize the sports business is an upside down model where pay has very little to do with value these days but to pay a young, inconsistent goaltender more than he is worth is madness. And just what is he worth? More than Halak gets? More than Ellis or Biron or whats-is-name-the-guy-we-just-signed? Less than Brodeur, or is it more than that because he’s younger and has “potential”? In my mind his value is less than what he is being paid now because he did not exceed his previous year’s results overall.


  252. GrimJim says:

    Au contraire, child of Vin Diesel, given that most of last season was played without Markov and 80 games were played without PK, the addition of those two and the subtraction of Mara and MAB does, IMHO, constitute an upgraded D, at the very least by reducing the minutes played by the older defensemen.

  253. Natrous says:

    Just like booze have ruined careers, so have other semi-legal substances…

  254. Natrous says:

    Sources? Links??

  255. ZepFan2 says:




    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  256. saskhabfan says:

    Why? Because you said so? Its july 2nd not oct 2nd. Besides,is there anyone on this site who has been more wrong,more often, then you other then retromikey? Stop pretending you have any clue or knowledge,your track record speaks for itself.

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  257. Natrous says:

    Price’s camp may be focussing on term rather than amount, but if that were the case then a player typically accepts less per year over a longer time period, not more. At this point, Price is not worth more than $3M per season (short term), so if he were to sign a deal for longer than 2-3 years, he’d be lucky to get $2.5M per season average.

    As for Price’s supreme “leverage” at the barganing table, all it takes is for one contract to be traded away (Hamrlik for example, to say the Isles or Ducks) and we’re able to sign an experienced FA goalie – one of a dozen on the market, all vying for the remaining 5 or 6 positions available. Price’s stats alone are nothing to fall back on from the past two seasons, so I really don’t believe he has that much power at the negotiating table and PG is no greenthumb in the matter either.

  258. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Your all-emcompassing desire to see this iteration of the Habs fail is blurring your judgement.

  259. Mad Habber says:

    You know what, I agree with you. The goaltending is weaker for the upcoming seasons without Halak, than it was with him.

    I would say that Price has a lot more question marks than Halak would’ve as the starter.

    What I was saying, for better or worse, Auld his here as a mentor. This may mean, gasp, missing the play-offs, but with the overall result is getting Price over the hump that he has hit the last few seasons. Which would mean, solid goaltending for the next 10 yrs or so, for at least 60 games.

    The flip side is overcourse that Price doesnt get over the hump and we are stuck without a solid goalie.

  260. Tony000 says:

    Hey Tony, I mean, Reggie, it might be nap time, eh? Let the grown ups talk for a while.

  261. Mad Habber says:

    McLean is probably thinking about back in December..

    Why would Halak demand a trade after the play-offs? It makes no sense…

  262. Rugger says:

    Both could be true statements.  “I want to move on” “they didn’t offer me a contract” are not either/or they could be a logical follow on to each other.

  263. TripleX says:


    Exactly.  It is ok to disagree with a point of view passionately but name calling is childish and uncalled for.

    I commend you on taking the high road on this immature behavior.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  264. Habhopeful says:

    how else do you deal with an idiot who posts stupidness and acts holier than god over the internet?


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  265. Habhopeful says:

    you are an obvious leafs fan wanting this current management of the habs to continue here – either that or an idiot

    Hammer away. Who is going to take on his 5 million dollar salary? ——————what idiot gm gave him that salary?





    Quite the high road may I say…

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  266. TripleX says:


    Everyone has a limit.  It is only very recently that Tony242 has resorted to throwing insults back.

    I think everyone has to chill including myself.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  267. pmaraw says:

    how about proving yourself right with some audio or video of gainey making these comments.  how about proving yourself right about anything, people call you an idiot cause you just blather on.  you’re not looking for an agruement, you’re not debating, you’re just a bumbling fool, you don’t back up anything you say yourself, why should anyone try and prove you wrong when you don’t prove you’re right in the 1st place.

  268. Habhopeful says:

    Tony, You havent let facts get in the way of your idiocy since youve gotten here, so to sum it up…your an idiot lol


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  269. Habhopeful says:

    So he takes the high road by calling Gainey an idiot, a moron, a twit and so on? those posts I posted are bascially the same thing over and over from him…If i had the time id send you all his stupid idiotic conspiracy posting but you only need to scroll down on each thread to see how stupid he sounds…I dont get too worked up over arguing over the internet but this guy is just plain ridiculous…why dont you try and debate with him? see where that leads you


    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  270. GrimJim says:

    How? There isn’t a single concrete fact in your post that can be refuted. You are stating your opinion (not a refutable fact) which is a generalization of what a crowd of 21,000 will do in the future (again not a refutable fact since it hasn’t happened yet so all possibilities carry equal accuracy) based on what you believe they are all thinking (again not a refutable fact since no one can know what another person is truly thinking). Add in that you are assuming that 21,000 people will all act in the same manner when observation shows that there are it is most likely that there will be people who act in a contrary manner to the majority. How do we “prove you wrong” given all that?

  271. Tony000 says:

    First pick, not signed to a “C” form. It’s funny how you always seem to skip that point. I get the feeling you are not new to being called names.

  272. Propwash says:

    Talkin about football here bub


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  273. Tony000 says:

    I figured it out, it’s Rejean Houle trying to get his job back.

  274. ABHabsfan says:

    Like Brad Winchester?

  275. Bugs says:

    But I also said Holland was tougher and had more determination…

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga:

  276. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Chris Higgins has signed with Florida Panthers. 1 year, 1.6M

  277. fuhgawz says:

    if our 1st rounders start preforming like they deserverd to have been picked in the first round  (mind you i have never seen Lars play) this team could be very good. We need all of these guys to step up like other highly touted first round picks end up doing for other teams.

    Price , AK, Benny, Lars

    i want and expect nothing less then the following

    Carey Price 40 wins

    AK 30 goals

    Benny 30 goals

    Lars 25 goals

    am i asking to bloody much? Its time for the youth of this team to step up and BELONG in the NHL — Montreal has given Carey the reigns time for him to prove to us why they believe

  278. The Cat says:

    Totally unrealistic man.

  279. Rugger says:

    If the big 4 can stay healthy (Gomez,Gianta, Camy,Pleks) I think a total of 70 goals for the 3 mentioned is possible.  If Price plays well enough to get 60+ games, 40 wins could happen, throw in 5 wins for Auld and 10 OT losses and we would be looking at 100 pts, Which is where I think we could have been last year with a healthy top two lines.

  280. GrimJim says:

    It may be semantics but I think you may be asking too much of the scorers, especially Eller. As a rookie and likely (or I’m assuming) on the third line this year 10-15 goals may be more realistic for him. AK with 25 goals and Benny 20-25 seems more realistic to me. But I agree with you that both AK and Benny need to improve on last year’s performance.

    As for Price, he faced 1244 shots in 41 games for an average of 30 shots a game and let in 109 goals (TSN source). If the team reduces that shot total to 25 per game and price plays 60 games that equals 1500 shots. If he equals his save % from last year (.912) that equals 132 goals in 60 games or a gaa of 2.20. Anyone upset with that?

  281. Natrous says:

    Just to clarify – for Carey to win 40 games, the Habs need to win 40 games right?

  282. Curtoph says:

    Better than hoping they only get 20 wins, and 15 goals each. One can dream, no?

  283. The Cat says:

    He did ask if he was asking too much…I simply said yes.

  284. LA Loyalist says:

    Ok. Bob Gainey rolled the dice and came up snake-eyes. For Gauthier to trade Halak PRIOR to signing Price is just sheer incontinence. Business 101 – where possible, negotiate from strength. Duh. From Failing Hands We Pass The Torch… is this the new Molson ownership at work? Discuss among your shelves.

  285. krob1000 says:

    or you could look at it the other way…..if he signed Price before he traded Halak then we would have been trading Halak from a position of weakness …. me may not have been able to get Eller who Gauthier had specifically targeted and fits our teams identity going forward. There was no real easy path given the PRice/Halak situation…for my money I think he made the right call.  In fact I think the fact that Chris Mason just signed for under 2 and Ellis did too works in our favour….as of now Price has nothing on those guys and prior to their signings I would have thoght Price gets more if he really holds out but now I would be hard pressed to see him get anywhere over 2.5 million if the contract is for two years or less and even then that is only because of the Quebec taxes,etc….he mioght even be had for Mason or Ellis money now.

  286. Ground Chuck says:

    Uh… I’m pretty sure that you meant “incompetence”.

  287. krob1000 says:

    I’ll hear you out despite that loud font…what do you think he should have done? 

  288. Propwash says:

    I disagree, We instantly gotten better after turfing dead weight primadonnas i.e Skost and Lats.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  289. Propwash says:

    So, you honestly think Lats would have put up the same numbers here? Dream on man….


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  290. krob1000 says:

    “they have worsened the team from what it was in game 5 against philly while other teams have tried to and some have gotten better”

    We have not worsened the team…we played with no Markov and Boyd will at least get ice time.  We do need to shore up our forwards though as Andrei either needs to show up in camp in the best shape of his life and on uppers or he will be moved as he doesn;t fit Martin’s style…maybe they gamble on the contract year thing but we absolutely need another top six guy and are gambling if we hope that one of Pouliot or Andrei steps up.  Not a crazy gamble but definitely a gamble.  On D we are fine but I, like you I assume would like to see Hamrlik moved to get some cap space.  I do think Armstrong would have been a good fit here and even at 3 million per season.  I also wish we could keep Moore but Boyd effectively ended that dream.  I will not miss Hal Gill either but his leadership is what he was borught in for and in taht respect he has been a success….would I miss him being beaten to the outside repeatedly and getting penalties called becausxe he is HalGill….nope! and he will be gone after this season IMO. Would have like to see us sign Kurtis Foster too.

    I am not a fan of what Martin did last seson behind the bench despite the success in the playoffs but I am starting to get the bigger picture and that is one of hard work, two way commitment and a prima donnalless environment….that much I will be happy to see happen and it appears to be.  It was extreme and I think we could have and maybe even should hve done things differently fromt hat perspective and given guys more leeway in the netral zone and not made the kids afraid to make a mistake (POuliot, OB, Sergei,) while giving passes to AK, MAB and to some extent Gomez and Cammalleri but when you look at those names…really? who is proven and who is not? who deserves some leeway? no brainer. It was/is frustrating as hell at times watching this transition but in the long run it will hopefully payoff.  Or you could lok at it from the outside in astonishment as we completely turned our roster over and while we did just squeak into the playoffs we managed a couple of huge upsets.  We were beat by a team that had three lines who in turn was beat by a team that had four….we had two……that is still our challenge “Depth vs Cap” and Gauthier must now try and correct some of the cap errors he has been handed….so far he is trying to do that,

  291. Propwash says:

    Ribiro – oh yeah, huuuuge loss there……Ryder? Notsomuch, Samsonov…yeah, how’s he doing in Carolina…notsomuuuch….Grabovski? Yep, putting up HUUUUGE numbers…… try again man.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  292. Propwash says:

    All of the players you mentioned PLAYED THEMSELVES OUT OF THE TEAM! The coach can only do so much.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  293. Propwash says:

    Grabs got himself kicked out of the team by pulling a hissyfit, I woldn’t want somebody like that on my team, I dont give a damn how many points he’s put up. Plus, looking at his stats, he was invisible last season.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  294. krob1000 says:

    it’s ok Tony Gainey is not the Gm anymore…you can sleep well tonight.  I know they were trying times but if Gainey is the GM still then beliveau is the captain and Houle is the asistant GM as they are also both in Habs employ.  It’s over…take a deep breath…Gainey cannot haunt you anymore….you made it, you are in your happy place….you just don’t know it yet. Put it this way…if you took over the company you worked for…would you be any different than the boss ? if he retired and then came back to do some consulting or part time work because retirement wasn;t really for him…would he still be calling the shots? but wold you still occasionally ask him his opinion on things? and if your company all of the sudden had some success immediately after you taking over and you knew you weren’t fully responsible for it would you invite him to the Gala? It really isn;t that far fetched and I apologize for the damage that has been done to you by the Gainey Regime but Tony…Tony (shakes you repeatedly) it is over and you are safe. 

  295. Rugger says:

    Agreed, goal tending is not the problem and really hasn’t been for quite some time.  It’s time to keep the puck in the O-zone and put it in the net.

  296. TripleX says:

    My only response is that it is hardly possible to extrapolate one season’s stats to another season for a particular player.  Players have great seasons and bad seasons and if it was that easy to predict year to year performance there would be no need for GM’s.

    Price is the starter with no fall back goalie to take the load and that brings the kind of pressure he has yet to face.  Price has never played 60 NHL games in his career and who knows how he will handle it.  Price will face the inevitable backlash due to the trading of a popular Halak and how will he handle that?

    Too many questions and variables to even begin to predict what his stats will be.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  297. GrimJim says:

    You’re right, it’s an assumption. But isn’t that what everyone else is making? Everyone slagging Price is assuming he will continue to let in weak goals and deflate the team. Everyone saying Halak is the Habs MVP and should never have been traded is assuming that Halak continues his great performances. Everyone saying Price will be okay is assuming that Price will continue to improve. Everyone saying Halak is at the peak of his value is assuming he will fall back to performances more in line with the league averages. But ultimately all we have to predict, imperfectly, future performance is past performance. And given that last year was a seemingly bad year for Price yet he still managed a .912 save %, is it reasonable to assume he will maintain that? His worst save % as a pro was the 10 games he played in Hamilton in 2007-2008 with .896. Every other season he has a saving % above .900 so is .912 reasonable? I think so.

    “Who knows how Price will handle the the pressure?” you ask. NO ONE including Price! No one has a direct line to God, the Fates, Doctor Who or anyone else who might accurately know what the future brings, so EVERYTHING on the forum is speculation and assumption. So to attempt to discredit my argument by postulating that it is assumption is a Straw Man fallacy. You haven’t logically attacked the premise supporting my supposition. You’ve raised a tautology that is fundamental to all discussions in this forum. Everyone from Tony242 to Ian Cobb ASSUMES what the future brings when speculating about next year. It’s the fundamental nature of this forum.

  298. LA Loyalist says:

    I LOVED Bob Gainey as a player, and was so excited when he became GM, and Mr. Gillette was as classy an owner as you would want. What REALLY happened last year that Bob felt he had to blow it up? And why didn’t he blow it up for draft picks instead of Smurfs? Were we so close to getting LeCavalier that there was no plan? ????

    I am still SO angry, and if there was an explanation that even sort of made sense it would help. Please? Anger is exhausting. 

  299. Propwash says:

    Getting LeCav would have been the WORST thing he could have done.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  300. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m not arguing that either way. But LeC was apparently plan “A” . Was there no plan “B” and Bob panicked?

    I would just like to move on and get busy hating Gauthier. Please what really happened? Or was it all just bad judgement?

  301. TripleX says:

    It would seem his protege PG has the same problem.

    If Dan Ellis was Plan A for a backup what happened to Plan B?

    Alex Auld was Plan B?  I find it hard to believe Auld would be a Plan B in an GM’s playbook.  LOL



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  302. Propwash says:

    Ellis clearly wasn’t plan A. Or else he would have been signed.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  303. TripleX says:

    You do realize that makes no sense?

    Just because a GM wants to sign a player does not make it a reality.

    You have a Plan B because Plan A’s so often do not happen.



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  304. Propwash says:

    We acquired the rights to Ellis on the Skost trade, and lowballed him, I really don’t think he was a priority signing.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  305. krob1000 says:

    What did Gainey get for our other MVP’s? Koivu, Kovalev, Souray, Streit, etc….a big fat nothing.  I like what he got for Halak who the jury is still out on BIGTIME.  Craig Anderson arugably had as good of a playoff as HAlak, Leghton shut us out three times, Steve Penney was a hero.  Personally I still believe Price will be the better goalie…but that is besdie the point.  While Halak completely stole the games we won and was superhuman for a handful of games, others were won by dmen, Cammi and Gio.  I will admit to being somewhat bothered that Gainey is still there to the point he was in the pressbox but I think it is diff’t with Gauthier and I agree with every move he has made to this point except maybe the Auld thing..but obviously Ellis didn;t want to play here and took the cash and easier shot at the starting job. 

    As for AHLer Lars Eller….I am quite ertain he could have played inthe NHL last season but because he was Danish the Blues were trying to ensure a smooth transition and not jeopardize rushing him….great for us. We could have had PK playing all last season but again…I am glad we waited. I am  very bitter at what Gainey left us and many of his moves…….I am happier than I imagined I could be after hearing that Gauthier was stepping in on a permnaent basis…..that scared me but thus far he has been far diff’t than Gainey and has been proactive and relatively aggressive as well.  Theo won an NHL MVP…not two playoff series and how is he doing? Halak still has as much to prove as Price…factor in money, years as RFA, size with equipment changes,age… value at time of decision…..right choice IMO.  My only concern and it is a BIG one is Price between the ears…in Montreal that is.  Hockey will be good to Carey Price…but will Montreal? that is my one and only fear here and the reason I thought they would choose the easy road and trade Price….and by the way…regardless of how things go with PRice this season….his trade value will not diminish….Halak’s would have and he would have been dismissed as a flash in the pan…scouts have been drooling over Pirce since he was a teenager….and that matters. IF Price does falter it will be attributed to Montreal…that can be changed….if Halak falters it will be attributed to reobund control and size….can’t do much about that at this stage.

  306. Propwash says:

    What GM in the league would sign a player, then immediately trade him? Never heard that happen.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  307. GrimJim says:

    1. All signings must be registered with the league and the NHLPA both of whom announce the signings publicly so they couldn’t “not announce it”

    2. The CBA states that the cap must be adhered to at all times but in the off-season teams are provide a 10% bonus by which they can exceed the cap in order to facilitate roster moves (in other words in the off-season the cap rises by 10%)

  308. krob1000 says:

    No it is doesn;t often and if you are referring to”sign and trades” in basketball they are not done secretively..they are done openly as they have a very bizarre collective agreement and an archaic salary cap structure that complicates things and that is why it is done…not to be sneaky, sneaky. Anytactic like you are suggesting while it may have hleped if they were somehow able to skirt the rules and keep this secret”, while it amy have helped in that stuation would have ruined all negotiations from there forward with everyone and would have been catastrophic…..I really thought you would be giving me better reasons Tony given how adamant youare about this tiopic but more and more I am thinking you are just really a huge Halak fan and Anti Habs administration.  Nothing wrong with that at all…. you are entitled to your opinions like everyone else but if that is really your angle then please ….drive straight to the net….don’t be the Sergei Samsonov of HIO  and buzz around the perimeter.

  309. krob1000 says:

    you used many…..pretty darn close to often if you ask me.  As stated above by someone else…it can’t be done and it is underhanded to the players too… think that will help somehow? This idea is dead can’t happen..which examples are you referring to anyway.  I can’t imagine there has ever been a circumastance post 1990 that a gm has been this underhanded …please enlighten me.

  310. krob1000 says:

    lol ….thought I’d hear you out…was worth a few giggles but I really thought you had more to offer…oh well been wrong before.  See ya Tony….I have to go to Friday night past GM worship night! Enjoy the Past GM effigy down the road!

  311. Propwash says:

    Gainey/Gauthier would be failures if the Habs had oh…say the Leaf’s pathetic record. As far as i know, the Habs made the playoffs more often than not ever since Gainey took over. Prove everyone wrong.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  312. krob1000 says:

    I’m more bitter about Michael Leighton if you are referring towaivers…he has been further than any Hab goalie in the last 17 years ….even further than that Jaro guy.  Leighton actually shut us out 3 times…yet I have not seen you post about that one.  Why is that? Why does noone post about poor old Michael Leighton…..we didn’t get anything for him and he made it to the Finals….Damn that Gainey…it was actually on his watch that we lost our real superstar goalie Michael Leighton wasn’t it?

    I’m in Tony…I am going to join the Past Gm hate club with you because Michael Leighton was the last straw….I really haven;t been thinking for myself…buying into this Halak hype…..Leighton was the mistake.  I feel enlightened…’s like a whole new world out there now.  My hate has been misdirected and all this time I wasted lamenting over Jaro because he borught us to the Eastern Conference finals……and the Finals guy was there all along. 

    Gainey shoud be fired for letting Michael Leighton go…..I’m with ya Tony…..I’m with ya! No Way Gainey should be our GM anymore….Tony I think we can make it happen…you and me…we can make Gainey leave his post as GM.

  313. Propwash says:

    Actually, it would be a HUGE suprise if the Leafs do better than the Habs.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  314. Propwash says:

    How bout that 1st rounder that Burke gave up for Kessel……..PHIL EFFING KESSELL….


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  315. krob1000 says:

    I perefer to harbour my past gm issues for Houle…let it go Tony…move on….it’s over.  Gainey is not the GM and neither is Rejean Houle.  So far I actualyl like what Gauthier has done….more than I liked the least several things Gainey did…but Gainey had some good moves too but it doesn;t matter ..he is not the GM…he is not the GM? just repeat that to yourself over and over, tap your head and wiggle your toes while you are doing it, then drink pineapple juice with spinach in it will chewing on rasberry bubble gum and you will be able to let it go…Gainey is not the GM, Gainey is not the GM…now you are ready for step two above.

  316. krob1000 says:

    depends…does Gauthier look like Gainey in your world?

  317. showey47 says:

    Where do you keep getting 2 months from? It was 12 games,which was one month. Kessel had the same goals per game average as cammy,gio and pouliot(after he was traded to montreal) this year. Guess what,gainey didn’t have to give 2 future franchise players to the bruins to do it either. Making up your own stats doesn’t give you any credibility.

  318. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    Good point showey47!!!! Who are the Laffs of the crop anyways? Loud mouth Burkie perhaps?

  319. LA Loyalist says:

    • you say incompetence, I say incontinence, je l’aime beaucoup les jeu de mot, it cheers me up when I’m unhappy. But thanks for reading. May I tell you what upsets me the most now being a habs fan? As an adult, I guess I can accept that I have to live with this. We’re just fans, we have no vote. But I have a kid now, he’s 7, he plays hockey here in LA but I’ve raised him on the Canadiens 10 greatest games videos and he asks me questions I can not answer. So I come here and look for answers to the unanswerable. That’s all.

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