The market for goaltenders

The league-leading Detroit Red Wings have signed Chris Osgood to a three-year extension.

Osgood, 35, is 19-2-1 this season. He leads the NHL in GAA, 1.68, and save percentage, .932.

Osgood will make $1.7 million next season, $1.45 million in 2009-10 and $1.1 million for the 2010-11 season.

Osgood’s current¬† salary is $800,000. Dominic Hasek is making $2.05 million.¬†

Cristobal Huet, a UFA after this season, is making $2.75 million.

 

130 Comments

  1. T-roy West says:

    For starters ” Teacher “, Lowe did!!! Regier even said so when they interviewed him because he was pissed off that Lowe went through with it even though Regier told him he would match. Lowe called him to let him know out of respect for him. That is what Lowe himself said. Please get your facts straight before you question someones knowledge. Where do you get yours from because I think the well is running dry!!

  2. Bill H says:

    I’m not sure I follow your logic, Richard. Suppy and demand never really entered into it.

    First of all, Osgood was not a free agent. He is with the Wings and he extended with the Wings. He was never on the open market as an UFA, so we don’t know what his value would have been.

    Second, Osgood is 35. That means he will be 36 next year. That’s older than Huet by 3 years. But Osgood has already had his big payday for the past decade. Osgood is a good fit for Detroit and Detroit is a good fit for Osgood. Hasek is on the way out (age 42) so maybe they want to bring in a rookie and groom him with Osgood to help the process. So he gives the home team a discount because he likes it where he is and wants to finish his career there. Let’s face it, there are advantages to playing in Detroit.

    Now let’s look at Huet’s situation. He’s at the peak of a short NHL career. He’s looking for a big payday, he’s looking for long term, and he’s looking for #1 status. He knows he’ll be Osgood’s age in 3 years, ready for a reduced workload at a lower salary. So he wants to cash in now while he can. Montreal is not a good fit on any of those terms.

    Look, if Bob can sign him for 2 years at $2m a year, great, I say go for it. We could use his help in breaking in Price. But everyone knows that even if Price isn’t #1 now, he will be in the near future, unless that train derails en route. Its possible, but face it, Huet is not going to sign with us hoping for that possibility. Huet will want more than 2 years, and he will want more than $2m a year. And he will be testing UFA waters to see if he can get it, unless Bob decides to offer him much better than that. And why shouldn’t he? He can get it, Osgood’s extension with the Wings to the contrary.

    So I really think Huet is as good as gone. I hope Bob has been talking with Huet’s agent on the QT, getting a feel for Huet’s true intentions. He did say a few days ago that there is no policy against mid year negotiations. But let’s face it, Huet has other plans. I say if someone makes an interesting offer, Bob should think hard about letting Huet go at the trade deadline, even though my personal preference would be to extend him for the kind of money Osgood just signed for, with the understanding that his workload will probably decrease as Price proves himself.

  3. T-roy West says:

    Sort of but not quite. What I meant was if somehow Penner was able to talk to Burke before he signed and said they will offer me 4 million per year for six years but he tells Burke that he loves the Ducks and loves living there and that if Burke promises 3 to 3.5 for six years or less than he won’t sign with Edmonton. The question is, is a player allowed to do that? The other question is just because an offer was made does that mean the player is obligated to sign?

  4. Hammer says:

    It is a great time to be a Habs fan. For the first time in many years so many are complaining about who is going to the minors who is the goalie of today and when will the future be ready ( Price). A most enviable position to be in. It sure beats the last dozen years or so. There is a reason I still have my #23 sweater in my archives, as it is a reminder that we are in good hands and to be patient and trust. Kind of reminds me of the 70′s and the game is on the line. Who do you think was always on the ice, #23 of course.

  5. Jonnyboy says:

    I think see what you are saying

    Edmonton talks to him says we will offer x. he said sure and signed. then the ducks found out.

    If he wanted to stay in town he could have told Edmonton he wanted more time and then told the ducks about the offer.

    However one thing to factor in, is the picks. The ducks did get a fair amount of picks in return.

    Maybe they did know about it, and said sorry we don’t think your worth that much, go sign the offer sheet.

  6. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    The second I saw this demonic demotion i was demoralized,
    Chip was degraded
    Locke was delighted
    Price was dumbfounded
    Carb was disinterested
    Brisbrois was disintangled

    and most importantly..the habs are DILLUTED….funny how everyone isn’t noticing it yet…

    yet….

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    1. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans.
    2. Your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”.
    3. Delenda Est Torontium….

  7. likehoy says:

    a kost is not a rookie…his rookie year was officially 2 seasons ago…

  8. The Teacher says:

    Lowe did not call burke NOR Regier..ik don’t know where you got your info from. The way around it is not to sign the player in the first place :s

    If you sign a player to an offer sheet, the only way he won’t be under contract anymore with you is if the other team matches.

  9. Smart Dog says:

    Hey Folks – check this out…

    I was on TSN.ca and looking at the “Power Rankings”… of course there’s no Hab in the top 20 so I looked at individual categories. Kovalev 21 among wingers; Markov 12 among defence. Then I noticed a rookie category and thought at least one of our rookies has to be top 20 in the league. Guess who the ONE is on the list? Chipchura.
    http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?fid=10841

    You would think A. Kostitsyn would be there. but its based on a statistical formula that takes a lot of things into account. This makes me even more frustrated that Chipchura was sent down.. AFTER some know-nothing journalist rated him a completely fantasy-based grade. (I still can’t see how anyone with a brain could give Chips a C… wait a minute… I think the answer is in there somewhere…).

    So let’s protest. We’ll call it Chipchuragate. How the media took away our star rookie defensive forward. And why…yes…hmmmmmm… why….???

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    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  10. T-roy West says:

    But Lowe did call Burke and he also called Darcy Rieger of Buffalo before he offered a contract to Vanek. It would be possible that Penner could have let Burke know when he found out and gave him a crack at a promise before he signed couldn’t he? I just think there must be a way around it!

  11. Girth says:

    If sports actually worked like that then there would be no point playing the games… just give it to whomever looks good on paper.

    Anyway… the mark of a good goalie is the ability to get wins… which, incidentally, requires them to acquire and maintain the confidence of teammates and keep the opposition guessing.

    Price is going through what every goalie sensation goes through… after having initial success, teams have had time to adjust their game to reveal and exploit weaknesses. In short, the book is out on Price… just as it happened for Halak last season.

    This is Price’s first real test… is he able to make the necessary adjustments to stop relying on old habits. For example, early on he was relying a little too much on his height to track the puck… consequently he was a little late getting down for low shots. He then over adjusted(slightly) by going down a little too fast/often and becoming vulnerable up top. He knows that… now can he adapt?

    I believe he will…
    The reason Price will become a franchise player is that he possesses all the necessary gifts. Now that he has gotten the introductions out of the way, he needs to leverage his limited experience to understand when to apply specific strategies and techniques and realize how they can be exploited… and work from there.

    Even Brodeur has made adjustments through the years…

  12. ebk says:

    Lowe had no obligation to let Burke know he was going to sign Penner to a contract. Once it is signed then they must inform the NHL and Anaheim. Anaheim then needs to decide if they are going to match or not.

  13. T-roy West says:

    So would it not be possible than when Burke got the call from Kevin Lowe as to his intentions regarding Penner, that burke could call Penner into his office and say ” Hey Penner we really like you and we were wondering if you can not sign the contract and if you do that for us, we will increase your salary and make it worth your while with a nice bonus”. It might not be the money that Edmonton is offering but at least a team wouln’t have his rights for a long time!

  14. RiverviewCanadien says:

    talk to DET about Hasek, when you can count on someone, you can count on them

  15. RiverviewCanadien says:

    3 shots on goal and Price had already let one in, I thought everyone said he had the AHL shooters figured out…the game had to go to OT for the win…wow with Price in nets, should have been a shutout

  16. RiverviewCanadien says:

    yeah did you see the shots on net, not very many before he let one in

  17. RiverviewCanadien says:

    wow you have played pee wee for 40 years (you never made it), so don’t give me crap you can tell in 5 minutes what will happen the entire game, no one can

  18. T-roy West says:

    If that is the case, do you think it is fair that another team may sign him for 10 years and the player doesn’t have a say in the matter. That doesn’t seem right!?

  19. ebk says:

    exactly

    Penner and the Oilers already had agree to terms on a contract. Anaheim has the option to match the deal or let him go

  20. Exit716 says:

    Gainey cut Theodore’s salary. It was St. Andre of Savard that gave him the $7 million contract initially, but people just like to hang that on Gainey regardless.

  21. T-roy West says:

    Do you mean that the player signs the contract before his team is asked to match!

  22. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Didn’t take Price long to get his first win back in Hamilton.

    If I knew he would play tonight I would have went to see the game. I will take my family on Saturday if Price is playing……..

    Way to go Price. Get your form back. Get rid of all those bad habbits that Rollie got you into. Go back up to Montreal and tell Rollie to take a hike…

  23. The Teacher says:

    He should be back in montreal because he got the WIN Courny12!!! The WIN!

  24. nightmare_49 says:

    Matt D’Agostini scored in OT to give the Hamilton Dawgs a 3 – 2 victory over the Binghampton Sens. The 1st star was Matt D’Agostini and 2nd star went to Duncan Milroy. Hamilton outshot the Sens 36 to 24 and Carey Price picked up the win.

  25. Richard says:

    Does nobody understand why Mike Boone posted this???

    A goaltender with an 19-2-1 record this year and the best GAA in the league is ONLY worth less then a couple million.

    Supply/Demand people.

    There are too many goaltenders in the league who are ‘good enough’ meaning that a guy like Bryzgalov can’t get traded and goes on waivers and a league-leader gets re-signed for pennies. The old definition of ‘average goaltender’ like Aebischer gets put on waivers and doesn’t even get picked up because he is completely worthless to an NHL team.

    This is a buyer’s market. You can buy for cheap. The seller’s, on the other hand, are in trouble.

    THIS IS GOOD IF we want to re-sign Huet: Huet is not worth 3 or 4 million. A top goaltender in the league can earn in the 2 million range, so this is all that Huet can make. Bob will not throw extra money at him for nothing, we only have to give him enough so that he’ll want to stay in Montreal and no other team will outbid. If you can get a league leader for cheap, no one else will give Huet more than a couple million.

    If we want Huet for a couple more years, it won’t hurt our cap space.

    THIS IS BAD IF we want to trade Huet: Since goalies have almost no value, we won’t get a great return. If someone needs a good goalie, they can pick one from waivers (like Phoenix) or give up some low level players/drafts.

    If we want to trade Huet for his value, we’ll profit very minimally.

    CONCLUSION: This may encourage Gainey to re-sign Huet for cheap since he is no longer valuable trade bait DESPITE HOW GOOD HE IS.

    Please stop throwing around numbers like 4-5 million with regard to Huet until you understand basic economics.

    FYI: the only economics course I ever took was in grade 10, so you don’t need much education to understand Boone’s point – just some common sense.

  26. ebk says:

    It is an actual signed contract between the RFA and the New Team

    ie. Penner had already signed a contract with Edmonton

  27. T-roy West says:

    Just a question but what would happen if a GM offered a contract to another teams RFA and the team didn’t match but the player didn’t want to go, i.e. If Penner refused to go to Edmonton. I know most players wouldn’t refuse because of the increased salary but what if they did?

  28. linp says:

    Bob is willing to commit big money to the goalie position (remember Theodore?).
    My personal feeling is that Huet is getting old. He has injury every year. When he is fully rested, he is a good goalie. But he can get tired at the end of a game and during SO and becomes a different goalie.

  29. nightmare_49 says:

    In the AHL the Dawgs and Sens are tied at two after the 2nd period with Hamilton having 28 shots to 12 for the Binghampton Sens.

  30. G-Man says:

    One can always hope that Lacroix has had a few too many and calls Bob.

    Gilbert

  31. Yeats says:

    I’ve played the game since the age of six and at forty-six still delude myself at least twice a week that I can still skate, more often than not against younger guys. Although I am a natural forward, I did play goalie in my youth because I thought the equipment was “cool.” I can tell five minutes into a game if a golaie has his stuff and last night Mr. H didn’t. We were very fortunate last night. When I think of Habs’ kickers who have gotten hot at the right time, Huet isn’t even within spitting distance of Steve Penny.

  32. G-Man says:

    Wings D is so good they can win with Osgood. And that’s saying a lot.

    Gilbert

  33. G-Man says:

    No team will trade a top 6 player for Huet unless he has a 2 or 3 year deal locking up his salary. Even when you add prospects, what kind of top 6 forward would you get? Ovechkin? lol

    Gilbert

  34. G-Man says:

    You sure you’re watching the same games? Habs D right now is close to being the envy of the league.

    Gilbert

  35. nightmare_49 says:

    IMO if his team refuses to match the offer he is automatically the property of the team that made the RFA offer and if he doesn’t go he is out of luck. We will have to wait for the next generation of Lindros’s to dispute the contract.

  36. habs03 says:

    Huet is about 31-32 years old, and he is at a high point in his career, he’ll be a UFA in the summer and he’s going to wanna cash in as much as he can. Hes going to look for a long term deal i say around 3.5M to 4.5M which is some what reasonable, i just wonder what the habs would do, because i think bob would pay Huet around 4M but for no longer than a 2 year deal again, but Huet would want more years on the deal. The problem i see by letting Huet go is having two young goalies, if you see whats happening to fleury, he doesnt have an experienced back like he did last year with jocelyn thibault, so if we let Huet go i think we’ll still need a experienced back up for Price, like for example someone like Cujo.

    I’d Love to hear what you guys think.

  37. Yeats says:

    I think people get caught up sometimes in whoever is occupying a central position on the ice. Goaltending is vital, if this team is going to make the playoffs and give us a credible run for the Cup. Yet, what most of us thought was one of the strong points of this year’s squad has actually turned into a big question mark. Thank the Lord that the offense has found itself lately. Yeat’s “Two Goal Rule” is the 1st Commandment of Hockey! If the kickers can hold the opposition to two goals or less, the burden is on the offense to carry the day. If the offense can pot more than two goals, the burden is on the kickers to stand tall.

  38. Exit716 says:

    The answer is “you don’t know the players we said no to.”
    If he is the best that Bob can entice to Montreal, next year don’t bother and use that cap money instead to take the families to Florida at Christmas.

  39. nightmare_49 says:

    Hamilton Dawgs 1 and Binghampton Senators 1 after one period. Dawgs outshot Binghampton 14-3 in 1st period. Carey Price is in nets for the Dawgs and no mention of the flu.

  40. The Teacher says:

    You know what, I have enjoyed watching Smolinski play his whole career. However, he is playing nothing like he has this year. I don’t know what the problem is, but he should solve it. Hopefully the time off that he obtained with his injury allowed him to freshen his mind and body. his experience, SHOULD be useful down the stretch, and he will still be fresh come playoff time (cross our fingers).

  41. Yeats says:

    ROFLMAO!!! Jeter may be one of the “worst of the best.” I’d be really happy if Huet ever lived up to that distinction.

  42. Chuck says:

    I though for sure that you were going to go with “around the collar”.
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  43. Exit716 says:

    We’ve seen the Emery act up close and personal last year in the guise of David Aebischer. A technically inept goalie that was flattered by a powerhouse team. He has some issues and no one will want to touch him at that salary.

  44. Yeats says:

    He has World Series rings though. The only ring Huet will ever get is at his door and by accident!

  45. Chuck says:

    Thank goodness he doesn’t have Jeter’s glove… Jeter has to be the worst defensive shortstop to have ever won a gold glove, never mind three of them.
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  46. TradeRyder says:

    I hear Slowinski is ready to come back. Oh joy.

    Besides face-offs (where he’s below 50%) can anyone tell me why we signed this guy? Or better yet – why he sucks?

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  47. Yeats says:

    You are spot on! Huet was blessed last night. That short-side goal by Havlat last night was just dreadful. He ain’t no all star in my mind. Give me Ryan Miller any day of the week. Also, I’m getting really tired with him going down so early. It’s not like he has Derek Jeter’s glove.

  48. TradeRyder says:

    Hi CHsam. The doctor called. He said to tell you your amnesia is over. You missed a few days but besides that you should be fine.

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  49. linp says:

    Some people wanted to ignore that play just before the winning goal. If that puck slided into the net instead of sitting there behind Huet … Price needs the same lucky star.

  50. Yeats says:

    Our goalie at puckup at West Point was more poised than Huet last hight. And, I can assure you, I would much rather have him in a shootout than Huet. Huet got the win, but make no mistake, the offense was responsible for the two points.

  51. Yeats says:

    You’re spot on. There are far more valuable players on this team that deserve additional dough, if possible. Unfortunately, he isn’t one of them. His recent performance has been mediocre at best. Thank God the offense has found itself! He or Halak will have to be much better, however, when we line up against better squads.

  52. Nicolas St-Henri says:

    Hmmm, seems to me like that defenseman would be O’Byrne. Personnally –nothing original here– i think we need a 1st line centerman. Koivu’s time has passed…trade him, a goalie and a prospect for something substantial (Marleau, Jokinen).

    Oh, and if we can get Ovechkin during the summer, bring him on! And the cup will be ours in June 2009…

  53. CHsam says:

    The Hurricanes just picked up Samsonov !!!

  54. mbplekfan says:

    Bob will try to sign Cristobal for 2 years for around 7 million. Huet will look for 3 years for 10 elsewhere. The big question is whether he will get it.

    There is a pile of goalies available right now and I dont see top dollars for any of them.

    Emery floating around as an expensive option throws a wrench in the market too.

  55. 24 Cups says:

    A question for Mike Boone or Dave Stubbs. Carey Price’s cap salary hit is listed as $2.2 mil per year for the next 3 years. $850,000 is base salary and $1,350,000 is in bonus money. Do you have any idea what incentives he has to reach in order to receive this bonus money. I’m sure Gainey has budgeted the total 2.2 mil but maybe Price won’t attain it all this year.

    The Original 24 Cups

  56. Roy-Rules says:

    I think we should deal Huet + prospects/picks and pick up a top six forward who can help us in the playoffs. Huet has been shaky as Price was against the Capitals. Besides Huet has only 6 more games worth of experience in the playoffs than Price and is yet to prove himself. We would be better off riding Price through and repeating a 1986 cup run.

  57. Chuck says:

    We’re at a point in time where there has never been the glut of quality goaltending that there currently is in the NHL. Add to that the fact that older guys like Osgood are re-signing, and you’re left with fewer spots for all of those quality young goaltenders to fill. Regardless of why Osgood signed on the cheap, it definitely affects the asking price for other goaltenders.

    Heck, even if Osgood were to retire tomorrow and the Wings were on the hook for his salary, it would be understandable if they were to go cheaper considering that they would already be investing 1.5 million in their goaltending without gaining a game played from that money.
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  58. Cable Guy says:

    I don’t see Colorado taking another chance on one of our goalies…lol

  59. fun police says:

    i think the market for huet is around what toskala makes in toronto. it would be a mistake to sign him. i know we aren’t paying much for price or halak, but remember, streit, komi, ak-47, higgins will be due for a raise. why tie up huet for 4 mil/plus?

  60. rogus says:

    We are one defenseman away from having a formidable playoff team. We have a few spare parts, I say trade Huet and a forward for a good stay at home defenseman and we wouldn’t have to worry with Price and Halak in nets. The missing peice of our puzzle no one ever mentions…

  61. saskhab says:

    There are 29 other teams to consider in the marketplace, Mike.

    How about $4.5m for Manny Fernandez, but only $2m for Tim Thomas? $3m for Dan Cloutier but only half of that for Pascal Leclaire? $5.5m for an aging Olaf Kolzig?

    Osgood’s deal is called the Detroit discount… and job security. When you’re 35, you aren’t going to get many 3 year offers. Osgood’s cap hit is permanent for the entire duration of his contract. If he retires, it’ll still count against the cap. If he’s terrible and is sent to the minors, it’ll still count. Those are the rules for multi-year deals signed when the player is 35 or older.

  62. krob1000 says:

    I can’t see anyone breaking the 4 million mark unless it is a one or two year deal. I think he will be looking for the longest term possible. This is his best and possibly only opportunity to cash in big so he will probably take the deal with the most money as an aggregate and not opt to take a short term deal unless he wants to stay in Montreal. He may be willing to work with Gainey given this is where he has made his name and was given his chance but not as a backup. Ray Emery being a twit may cost us any opportunity of keeping Huet as no GM in their right mind could want to sign him until he smartens up….if he does. Having your goalie fighting your goon every once in a while in practice (apparently they did this on the farm and bicker quite often) could pretty easily ruin a season.

  63. MikeL says:

    4 million a year is the most I can see a team giving Huet. The only teams that I think would be interested come July 1st would be LA, Colorado and Tampa. Other than that, the rest of the teams have somewhat stable goaltending. Huet is kind of like Manny Legace was a few years ago coming out of Detroit. He had great numbers but nobody really respected him, hence him making an avg of 2.15 M per year in St. Louis.

  64. T-roy West says:

    Mr. Berke: I posted the question to see if there was anyway of getting around this whole “going after someones RFA thing”, a loophole! I used Penner as an example. I was wondering if it was possible for the home team to keep their player for less money than what the other team was offering. If a player likes his home team and doesn’t want to sign, does he have a choice? If you were wondering why we are talking about this topic instead of the topic about goalies, it’s because I got bored, sorry!

  65. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    You are right River. I’m sorry.

    I will be a nice Dog from now on. BOW WOW….

  66. Chuck says:

    Yes, I did. Though not respectful and definitely over the line, it still wasn’t dissimilar from your constant name calling and veiled rude language. You baited him, and he bit back. You got what you were looking for, so let’s leave it at that and keep the chat to hockey.
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  67. 24 Cups says:

    I believe those players were rated strictly from a ‘fantasy pool’ perspective which is quite different from the true value that a specific player would bring to a team. I hope they’re more accurate than the ‘team’ power rankings that they (and the Hockey News) post every week. Those rankings are up and down like a teeter-totter.

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  68. RiverviewCanadien says:

    buddy…jump off, did you read what he said…

  69. Chuck says:

    Surely you must be able to see the irony in your post.
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  70. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I called you rude and an @$$wipe because of what you said (you deserved worse), do you forget what you wrote? Why don’t you tell everyone…also there could be young kids on this site reading this stuff….

    Classy buddy, real classy

  71. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Talk about rude. Who’s calling who an @$$wipe?

    Go play in your sand box with the other kids. Now go on….

    Maybe mommy has some mac & cheese for your lunch. Wear your bib now. Don’t want to waste any cheese on your little bowtie…..

    Maybe you will feel better after you have a widdle nappy…

  72. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I see your rude post has been edited…why don’t you leave it the way it was so people can see how much of a rude, obscene, inconsiderate @$$wipe you are

  73. cautiousoptimist says:

    I think you’re overreacting a little here. The addition of one forward and one defenseman – even if they’re abysmal, which they’re not – isn’t going to invalidate the great work by Sergei, Andrei, Koivu, Kovalev, Plekanec, Lats with his 12 goals, Markov, Komi, Hamrlik, et al….

  74. RiverviewCanadien says:

    so let me guess…you are one

  75. Mr.Hazard says:

    Weird…

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  76. krob1000 says:

    Yeah, but Andre Racicot could make the all star team in Detroit and he’d do it for a years supply of sunscreen in case they traded him to a team where he would get scorched by red lights again.

  77. Chuck says:

    Hmmm… Osgood, statistically the best goaltender so far this year and half of the duo on the NHL’s best team lowers the bar significantly on goalie salaries. Do you think that Gainey would offer Huet $4 million over 2 years to hang around? A killer tandem duo, with both goalies splitting the workload evenly at a reasonable price sure has worked for Detroit.
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  78. krob1000 says:

    Would it work in Montreal though??? Not because of the goalies but because it is Montreal. I like the idea of bringing Huet back unless we can get a ridiculous return for him and then I’d roll the dice with Price and Halak. There is no ridiculous return market based on Bryzgalov, Osgood and the fact that Ottawa will have to give Ray Emery away because he is a spoiled brat so ….. Can you imagine two years of goalie controversy…the city would be divided….they may have to build a Cristowall to separate the great divide. You would have the “Cristians” battling the devout followers of “Jesus Price” out on the streets after every loss. I am not sure I am ready for that conflict over the long haul day in and day out.

  79. G-Man says:

    Both goalies are old. That’s the only reason why it works. Was it Sawchuk and Plante with St. Louis in the late 60′s?

    Gilbert

  80. port elgin says:

    Can’t compare these goalies, c’mon if Osgood played for the habs he would see a lot more rubber and have a losing record. If Huet played for the wings he would be leading the league in shut outs. And Hasek, he’s horses##t. A fish out of water flopping around. If the implication here is that these two wing goalies are better and cheaper than Huet, then I suggest you leave the gin bottle in the cupboard until after supper next time.

  81. Chuck says:

    You completely misunderstood my post.
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  82. coutNY says:

    I wouldn’t base the Market on Detroit’s salaries. There are plenty of goalies making or recently signed $4.5-$6.75 million range. These are vetran goalies from Detroit; Hasek in his 40s would make alot of teams weiry to give him Big dollars and even Osgood being a back-up and he probably wanted to stay in Deroit.

    I do think it may help in negotiations if we make a play to extend Huet seeing that good goalies are in the market signing on the cheap.

    If Lunquest signs an extention that will be an interesting base line to compare goalies value. The playoffs will drive goalie values up again I suspect.

  83. Chuck says:

    Let’s not forget that earlier this year Anaheim had a tought time getting rid of Ilya Bryzgalov… a 6′-3″, 210lb goaltender with a 2.40 GAA and a 9.15 SV%. They had to eat half of his salary just get rid of him to clear some cap room.

    For every veteran like Osgood that signs long term there will be younger guys looking for work with fewer available positions to fill. It’s simple supply and demand: more employees than there are jobs, and suddenly your asking price goes down.

    And the subject matter of the thread is the going rate for goaltenders now, not during/ after the playoffs.

    The question is, if you’re a goaltender, do you take less money now for a longer deal, or do you hold out and hope that the market will work in your favour when next June rolls around?
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  84. ebk says:

    I think the market for Huet will be around $4.5m to $5.0m. He will be out of Montreal unless is willing to take a ‘hometown discount’ and wants to stay in Montreal.

  85. A. Berke says:

    IMO, Huet is not worth 4.5 to 5 mil in today’s goalie market. I’d call that daydreaming for him.

    Yes there are some goalies who are signed for more than that but even them wouldn’t get that kind of salaries today. All GM’s have the same size pie to distribute among so many players and accordingly there will be only so much for the goalies.

    I’d say, if he gets a 3 yr deal at 3 mil each he should grab it and run with it. This regardless of what the Wings goalies are signed for.

    Cheers

    Ali B.

  86. Smart Dog says:

    Osgood is going cheap because OFFICIALLY he is a back-up. Hasek is cheap because he is old and injury prone.

    A really nice set-up for Detroit. No basis in (regular) reality unfortunately.

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  87. Smart Dog says:

    Are the Habs overachieving?

    No. They were under-achieving before.

    For those that think/thought this team is over-achieving, there is a clear indication that they are not. It’s this: few injuries. Part of that is our youth sure, but part of it is that last year we had a lot of injuries, because the team was scrapping and clawing for points like crazy. This year the team is playing hard but not recklessly. This gives me reason for optimism… I think the team is playing with more and more confidence instead of desperation. Though come to think of it they could use just a touch more desperation sometimes.

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  88. Chris says:

    I agree with you whole-heartedly about the toll taken (physically and mentally) by the players when they are fighting tooth and nail for every point. While we are not safely in the playoffs by any stretch of the imagination, the players do seem to be enjoying themselves more this year…having some blowouts recently (the Florida and Tampa games over the holiday season and any time we play Boston it seems…who hoo!) really lightens the mood.

    However, I still think we are overachieving this season based on the dividends we are receiving from our younger players. I expected the Habs to struggle into the playoffs, and I still believe that we might be in a dogfight as the end of the season rolls around, as younger players often hit the wall after all-star break. Even our most optimistic fans have to be at least a little surprised to see how well our young players are coming along. Many of us were praying that the Habs would commit to a youth movement this season and were prepared to suffer the growing pains inherent to such an approach. The fact that the pain has been minimal was probably my best Christmas gift this year. :)

  89. Chuck says:

    I see where you’re coming from. You’d have to be forthright in the beginning and say, “Look, barring injury, we’re going to tandem these guys and alternate starts”. As long as everyone understands the ground rules, it might squash any controversy.

    There has also been talk about compressing the schedule with fewer days off during the season. If that ends up being the case, using two goalies to keep the guys fresh longer and to fend off injury might end up being the norm. And if you can do it with a couple of complimentary goalies at a reasonable price (especially if the cap level keeps rising) then it might be worth exploring.

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  90. 24 Cups says:

    Nice analogy – you’re on a roll today! Something weird just hit me. Denis and Cloutier are both going to get paid the same money not to play (this year and next) as Osgood will receive to play for the Wings over the next 3 years. Ouch. I think it will be interesting to see what Phoenix gives Bryzgalov in terms of money and term. I can’t believe they won’t sign him long term. Right now they’ve won the goaltender sweepstakes (Philly too)). Osgood took the safe route and at some point in time will probably share the duties with another goaltender in Detroit. Or they may just go with one of their younger guys (Howard, Liv ) once Hasek leaves, with Osgood as the tutor.

    Montreal’s problem is that we won’t have a clear view of where we are in the standings by Feb 26th so we either try and get something for Huet or keep him for the playoffs. There seems to be an understanding now that Price may not be able to pull off another Calder Cup miracle. Who knows, Huet might even come back just like the boys in St Louis. If we keep Huet for the playoff run then we don’t have to necessarily sign him right away on July 1st. We could wait and see what other teams are going to do and then resign him for a shorter term and reasonable salary. The only problem is that it’s hard to believe that LA or Tampa won’t make some kind of move. I think both would take him over Emery (and they wouldn’t have to give anything up trade wise). I guess it will all come down to what the trade value of Huet is by the end of next month. That could totally change the way the Habs presently view things, both in the long and short term.

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  91. Yeats says:

    At the end of the day, he is a very average goalie in what is the equivalent of a house league. I’d rather pay up for someone who can put the puck in the other team’s net. He gets three and three and he should make a nice donation to the Church because God is looking out for him.

  92. ebk says:

    double or nothing on that beer you owe me that he gets more than 3 and 3
    same with Ali B. He will get over $4.0m for sure after that we will see.

  93. Yeats says:

    Done. In fact, I’ll have some Belgians shipped to your address for your drinking pleasure! If BG does that, I hope he passes around the bong at the next Summit because he has gotten his hands on some truely legendary shit!

  94. ebk says:

    I don’t think Huet’s signing in Montreal, I just think he will get more than the 3 and 3 you and Ali B think he will get. Some GM desperate for a goalie will pay him more than 4 a year. I have no idea the length, just the $$ value.

  95. Yeats says:

    He’s really nothing special. He is never going to steal “the big game” and is really tender when the spotlight is on him, read “against the leafs.” There are just too many butterfly kickers of his ilk in the NHL today. Crap, Ty Conklin is on a run for the Pens I have yet to see Huet mimick.

  96. ebk says:

    We will see I guess. I think he is better than you seem to but either way it is a moot point, chances are he will not be in Montreal next year.

  97. G-Man says:

    Allowing 1 or 2 softies a game won’t look good on his C.V.- he’s not as consistent as a #1 need to be. Ergo, no big raise as an UFA.

    Gilbert

  98. G-Man says:

    1 can always hope Charles Wang (Islanders owner) wants you!

    Gilbert


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