The latest on Shane Doan

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When RDS reported earlier this month that the Canadiens were among the many teams — at least half the league — expressing interest in UFA Shane Doan, no one expected the Coyotes captain to remained unsigned three full weeks after his contract expired. But that’s where things sit.

The reason for that, of course, is that Doan prefers to remain in Arizona and he’s been hoping the process of selling the club to former Sharks president Greg Jamison moves forward to the point where it appears very likely to happen, if not exactly a done deal.

“He’s more or less waiting for (clarification) on what’s going on with the ownership in Phoenix, not so much going for more money. He’s a very honest guy, and I know he’s the type of guy who would take a pay cut to remain with the Phoenix Coyotes,” teammate Paul Bissonnette told Luke Fox on Sportsnet.ca late last week. “You can see why teams are offering him (contracts), because leadership is hard to come by, especially with guys like Shane Doan.”

Some people believe Doan will remain with the Coyotes, but that’s really not a certainty as long as the Coyotes remain unsold. Doan’s agent, Terry Bross, expected to hear late last week on Jamison’s progress but nothing has come to light yet. Bross said if he didn’t have a good indication the sale was proceeding, Doan would start exploring options more seriously.

“Teams have been great about being patient with me, and I appreciate it so much because I know the fluidity of the market and the way that it moves,” Doan said in New York last week where he was for the CBA talks in his role as a member of the NHLPA Negotiating Committee. “The teams have been so kind to my family and understanding the situation we’re in. That being said, eventually I have to make a decision, and it’ll have to probably be without all the information.”

In fact, Doan did meet with representatives of both the Rangers and Flyers while on the East Coast.

There have been obstacles in the Coyotes sale: First was Jamison’s ability to attract partners and raise the money to buy the club from the NHL but that has supposedly been settled.

Another has been the opposition to the complicated lease agreement by some Glendale, AZ, citizens between Jamison and the City of Glendale. There have been legal challenges and petition drives and some of those have suffered setbacks. They may not be entirely gone and that is holding things up, but Bross said he hasn’t had very much in the way of communication from Jamison lately to get an update on things.

So it’s possible Doan will start looking at other teams more seriously sometime soon.

Now, when it comes to Doan signing with the Habs, they’d have to outbid at least 15 other clubs, so it’s far from a certainty he’d end up in Montreal.

There’s also the matter of the Canadiens’ depth at right wing. Montreal has Erik Cole, Brian Gionta and Rene Bourque on the depth chart.

If GM Marc Bergevin wants Doan, he’d have to move one of them — and all three have no trade clauses in their contracts, although Bourque’s is listed as a Modified No Trade Clause and, as Cap Geek notes on his profile, since he already has been traded, it’s possible that it no longer applies.

Theoretically speaking, however, while Bourque would be the one who could be technically easier to move, his tradeability may not be high, given his production relative to his salary, which is $4 million this coming season, and his cap hit, which is $3.33 million a year for the next three years.

Cole won’t be moved; that’s for certain.

And that leaves Gionta, the Canadiens captain who has had injury issues recently. Would the Canadiens entertain offers for Gionta if they could attract Doan? Tough to say, although there were rumblings in the New Jersey media that Gionta would be a good replacement for Zach Parise. Don’t know how seriously we should take them.

Well, it’s nothing more than conjecture right now. Doan hasn’t decided to leave the Coyotes yet and the Habs are among the pack of teams that would be fighting for him if he did. But it is something to talk about.

467 Comments

  1. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Dubinsky had 10 goals last year, Anisimov had 16. That’s brutal. Erixon better turn into a helluva player.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Didn’t Hoswon just fire his entire scouting staff?

      Who does he have giving him advice?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Bripro says:

      In Dubinsky’s defence, he was injured a better part of the year.
      But this is not a good trade for the Blue Jackets.

  2. mdp2011 says:

    Can someone please explain to me how Scott Howson is still the Blue Jackets GM and was allowed to make this deal?? For a franchise that needed to hit a homerun with the Rick Nash trade, they sure just struck out.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am sorry I think Howson got a very good deal.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Over the last two years Columbus traded

        Nash, Couturier, Voracek for Johnson, a couple of 3rd liners, and a prospect.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • mdp2011 says:

        Please explain how CBJ got a “very good deal”?

        • habstrinifan says:

          For a player long on the block! Of course they should have traded him much earlier than today but having put themselves in this situation and with all the stupid moves re Islanders etc… this is the best Howson could have hoped for.

          And I think Nash is somewhat overrated… his stature grew because he made it known he was available.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Decent I would call it. Two decent roster players, a 1st rounder and a good prospect are certainly not bad. I am always amazed how overrated Nash is. Yes, he´s a very good player but not nearly as great as some want him to be. He´s also already 28.

    • JF says:

      Howson is also the GM who turned down the offer of the Islanders’ entire draft for the sake of picking 2nd rather than 4th.

  3. thehabsfan29 says:

    anisimov,dubinsky,erixson and a 1st for nash

    i think its a pretty solid trade for both teams but im surprised del zotto was not involved

    • Ali says:

      If I was Howson I wouldve not settled for less than Stepan/Kreider, Erixon and a 1st.

      Could’ve been worse, but he should’ve been better. Considering Nash wouldn’t expand his list of teams, I guess its a fair deal.

      Interesting what happens now with Bobby Ryan.

    • Habilis says:

      I agree, this seems pretty fair especially considering the supposed asking price till now.

      On another note, watching Nash and maybe Weber move to the eastern conference kinda sucks.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Del Zotto was not involved because Sather knows how good he is and won’t let him go, not even for Nash.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      How is it solid?

      Columbus get two journeymen, a middling prospect and a low first round pick.

      They got completely hosed.

      It’ll look better when they draft Nathan McKinnon of course.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Bripro says:

        I agree. I think the Habs could have put together a better offer.

        • Mattyleg says:

          For sure we could have, but I don’t think that breaking up a team that we’re building for only one player is a great move.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Bripro says:

            Oh I agree with that too. I’m just saying that we, a team with few resources, has enough depth to put together a better offer.
            But I’m not saying we should have.
            Mostly, I think Columbus lost out. But maybe not by as much as people think.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            It’s not about breaking up the team, really. Breaking up the team would involve trading Price, Subban or Pacioretty.

            What the Rangers traded was players like AK (when he was still with the Habs) and a still developing Leblanc. Heck, even Bourque with 27 goals is better than Anisimov and Dubinsky.

            That’s what makes the trade so dismal.

  4. pmaraw says:

    boston last year, l.a. this year, ny rangers next year, bettman’s trifecta is almost complete.

  5. Bripro says:

    Artem Anisimov is the 4th player.

    • Willy says:

      Wow, feel like Columbus could have gotten more.

      • Bripro says:

        Scott Howson was asking for the moon for a long time, and no one bit.
        I guess he figured it’s the best deal he can get.
        Remember, before Dubinsky got injured, he was a heck of a PK player and pretty good covering the ice. I don’t know healthy he is though.
        I don’t think the fans will miss Anisimov.

  6. mdp2011 says:

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
    Dubinsky, Erixson and 1st believed to be 3 of 4 pieces included in Nash trade.

    Wow, I think Columbus just got fleeced, I really hope for Columbus’s sake that the 4th piece is something amazing.

    EDIT:Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    Artem Anisimov is the 4th piece in the Rick Nash deal.

    I think the NYR just hit a homerun.

  7. Bripro says:

    Just as was posting under Willy’s comment, Dreger tweets that Dubinsky (as I thought), Erixson and 1st among the 4 pieces heading to Columbus.

  8. Ali says:

    So Dubinsky, Erixon, and a 1st + one more asset for Nash

    Can’t believe Howson let him get away with not including Kreider, no matter how good Erixon is purported to be.

  9. adamkennelly says:

    Habs still missing a real top 6 LW and a big, physical D man…we have Bourque and Weber to trade along with some prospects…should be doable I would think…

  10. Bripro says:

    Our old Sergei Kostitsyn has reportedly re-singed with NSH for 2 years, $6MM.

  11. Willy says:

    Rick Nash to the Rangers as per Dreger. Hasn’t said what the Rangers are giving up

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Everyone is getting better in the east…. big time. We very well might have a very high draft pick again this year

      • Willy says:

        Very true. Though i think the Rangers will still find a way to blow it come playoff time and you have to assume they are giving up some serious assets(Stepan & Kreider??) to get Nash

        Might not be the worst thing in the world to pick up a high pick in what is supposed to be a very good draft even though as Habs fans it hurts to not get to watch a strong team. But the future does look bright.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The Rangers played really well as a team last year but had trouble scoring goals. I think Nash will help. I would bet Gaborik is going the other way with a ton of prospects

          • mark-ID says:

            Really, Gaborik? I get the impression it will be mostly young guys and draft pics going to Columbus…..I can’t see New York giving up a player who had a better year then Nash last year. I think they are going big to win the Cup….they won’t want to lose a 40 goal scorer just to acquire a 30 goal scorer.

            “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

          • Bripro says:

            I don’t think so Kooch. Besides, he has a NTC.
            There are half a dozen players Sather won’t part with, and I think he’s dreaming of pairing those two together.
            He won’t let go of Lundqvist, McDonagh, Callahan or Kreider,
            and Richards is a given. He too has a NTC.
            I would think big ticket players like Marc Staal, Del Zotto and/or Dubinsky will be heading the other way. Maybe all three.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Well, don’t worry I was way off. I think the Jackets could have got a little more

          • Bripro says:

            Agreed!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Details according to TSN.CA:

      “The Columbus Blue Jackets are in the process of trading Rick Nash to the New York Rangers, according to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger. Forward Brandon Dubinsky, defenceman Tim Erixon and a first-round pick are believed to be going to Columbus as part of the package.”.

      wow. That’s a lot.

  12. kempie says:

    Dreger says Nash to NYR momentarily.

    Edit: And SK (Siarhei Kastsitsyn) signs for 2 yrs @ 3M per.

  13. Steeltown Hab says:

    If the Habs want to put together a competitive top 9 with the current roster this is the best distribution of talent IMHO

    Bourque – DD – Cole –
    Pacioretty- Plek -Leblanc
    Moen – Eller- Gio

    *Insultaton for DD, could help Bourque playing with DD and Cole
    *Plek gets big goal scoring winger (Pacioretty) and Leblanc who isn’t too small to role with pleks, like gio, and can keep up and contribute
    *Eller gets a scorer on his line with Gio. Gionta also gets 2 big linemates, and all 3 are responsible defensively
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    • Cal says:

      Leblanc is not ready. Needs a full year in the minors.
      Bourque is a right winger. We saw him on left wing last season and he was lost.
      Moen-Eller-Gio might be an idea, though. ;)

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Leblanc could come into camp ready. I don’t think that’s too farfetched.

        I can’t see a situation where Bourque is a RWer…as Cole also needs to play that side, gionta, leblanc etc.

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        • Mr. Biter says:

          If LL can bulk up a bit he could stay with the Habs or be an early call up. My dark horse for the team is Gallagher (spelling?). had good camp last year and lets see if he’s also bulked up a bit and how he does this camp. Having said that for both players a year in the AHL could benifit them instead of being rushed up.

          Mr. Biter
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        • habstrinifan says:

          Agree with Cal. LeBlanc isnt ready to perform as a top 6.. Hopefully he develops into one.

  14. AnimalMother says:

    Sorry for the typos!

    That’s a “aren’t fount to win the cup!!!”

  15. pher pher says:

    What do you guys’ think of Boyle to the Habs? It’s a rumor Eklund is spreading. I think he’d be a nice fit, and he is from Ottawa.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Rumours-Canadiens-talking-Boyle-wSan-Jose—Nash-precursor/1/45740

    • Kfourn says:

      IMO.

      – wrong side of 35
      – Cap hit is too high
      – probably sacrifice good prospects for him
      – We don’t need another Offensive defensman

      A trade for him doesn’t really make sense for the Habs.

      _______________________________________________________
      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Let me tell you what I think – You are too gullible to follow frauds like Eklund and Hockeyyinsiderr! They just invent fake rumors to attract naive fans like you! Look at our depth in defense – Too deep!

    • habstrinifan says:

      If Boyle is acquired by the Canadiens then P.K will be on the move. One of them will be redundant. Just my opinion.

  16. AnimalMother says:

    Maybe we need to stop deluding ourselves with trades and buyouts that won’t happen. We are going to win the cup this year, so nothing dramatic or costly is necessary.
    Lineup:
    Pacs – DD – Cole
    Pleks – Eller – Bourque
    Moen – Gomez – Gionta
    Armstrong – White/Nok – Prust

    Plekanec was drafter a left winger, so maybe

    Gorges – Subban
    Markov – Emelin
    Kaberle – Boullion
    Diaz

    That seems realistic.

    • mark-ID says:

      was Pleks really drafted a winger?? I did not know that….interesting.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Kfourn says:

      “we are going to win the cup this year” that’s the only thing that seems unrealistic about your post :p The rest looks about right.

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      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • pher pher says:

      Interesting line-up. Although I’d rather Pleks centering Eller.

    • Cal says:

      Eller to the wing before Eller. And even DD to the wing before Eller.

  17. Kfourn says:

    A good article by Corey Pronman (Hockey Prospectus) on his view of our top 10 prospects: http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1351

    Interesting how he ranks Collberg above Beaulieu.

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    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      And Kristo above Tinordi !!!!


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Kfourn says:

        From my take I think he views Tinordi as another Gill with slighly better skating…haven’t seen enough of him to say otherwise.

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        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  18. accp says:

    Everything is speculation. Gotta wait till October and we’ll see who the real Habs are than. we can become armchair managers again.
    all this talk now is killing time to make the summer go faster….but I have to say every now and than there’s a good rumor which keeps things exciting. They’re be no Doan in Montreal. He has a long memory.

  19. commandant says:

    @habfab

    Yes, somebody from H I/O has gone on my site and left a few comments from the same IP address in Poughkeepsie New York.

    He or she keeps trying to impersonate other H I/O posters and has listed his/her name to be habinburlington, timo, boone, and a few others.

    Seeing the IP address, I publish the comments as is, but I change the name to reflect the fact that its not actually who he/she claims to be.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Might be the same guy who wrote some pretty harsh and completely irrelevant comments on my blog, then hastened to add he was ‘burlingtonhab’. I’ve tried to confirm with Gerald whether it was him or not, just giving the guy a chance to own up, but he keeps ducking the question…..

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/07/brian-burke-marches-in-pride-parade-in.html

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      June 22: Alex Galchenyuk [x]
      June 23: Stefan Matteau, Mike Matheson, Martin Frk, Brandon Whitney
      June 2429: Travis Moen [x]
      June 2627: Mathieu Darche
      June 26: Ryan White
      June 30: Alexei Emelin
      July 1: P.A. Parenteau, Taylor Pyatt
      July 3: Shane O’Brien
      July 52: Carey Price [x]
      July 6: Lars Eller
      July 9: P.K. Subban
      Sept. 15: Training camps open
      Oct. 11: Puck drop, Canadiens vs. Senators

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      • HabFab says:

        HabsinBurlington is not even close to Burlington Hab. Don’t see Gerald avoiding, just not connecting that you are talking to him. I did see you attempt one time but he had gone out to play ball.

        PS so training camps open same day as CBA ends. Very interesting! in my best Artie Johnson voice.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m going to be very clear here and state that I was joking when I posted the comment above. Me and Gerald-HabinBurlington-HiB are tight. I know he didn’t write the comments.

          I thought the absurdity that someone like him, based on the civility and insight of his posts and the way we relate on this site, would post inane comments like that would be rich comedic fodder.

          I did suspect that there might be some confusion about whether I was serious and now want to remove all doubt. I knew from the get-go that it was a troll, and thought it was funny that he chose the alias he did, obviously he spends some time on this site and know we get along.

          • HabFab says:

            Thanks, was getting worried I would have to make a long trek to them high mountains to demand satisfaction for my friends honor.

            This is crazy week…right? Don’t want to come off half cocked if not necessary ;)

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Gerald would never do such a thing and he would not avoid any inquiry. I know this guy personally and he’s one of the finest people I’ve met. A class act personified. I will let him know you are looking for him.

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  20. mark-ID says:

    Alot of talk on here today, that we are more than a Shane Doan from being a Stanley Cup worthy team….and I’m not entirely convinced that’s true.

    Here’s how our forwards would look:

    Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
    Bourque Plekanec Doan
    Moen Eller Gionta
    Prust White Armstrong

    Am I wrong to actually think that we would be the toughest group of forwards in the East? We would have great size..leadership. We don’t have any heavy-weights per se, but a group that could defend themselves vs. any other team in the league.

    Then there is the depth factor. Not saying Gionta would be placed on the third line….but having him there, automatically puts a 20-25 + goal scorer with Eller. Along with Moen…can be used as a great shut down line. This team would continue to have fantastic penalty killing.

    I see at least 6 guys who should be good for 20+ goals….potentially more with Eller. (Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec, Doan, Bourque, Gionta)

    Our defence is still a little bit of a question mark….but with Markov back for the full season…we can’t get any worse, can we? PK is a year older.

    Was the team Boston won the cup with a couple of years ago, really all that much better then the potential out of this lineup? They didn’t have high scorers that year….it came down to a full team effort, depth and team toughness. Then a team like LA shows that as long as you make the playoffs….anything can happen.

    It’s obviously key that we aren’t killed by injuries this year…..but I think slowly but surely MB has been adding depth…and if Habs somehow found a way to land Doan…..I wouldn’t be shocked in the slightest if we could make some noise. We are a better team then we showed last year….and we all know it.
    If you look at all the one goal losses, the shoot-out losses….we weren’t really blown out(think the worst was 5-1 loss to Chi) our crappy, crappy PP….this team would be significantly improved IMO. One spot I think we won’t improve is in the shoot-outs.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • naweed235 says:

      I know I will probably get shlt on because of this comment but re Boston “They didn’t have high scorers that year….it came down to a full team effort, depth and team toughness.”, I think Tim Thomas and his crunch goal tending was the biggest factor for them.. If Montreal is ever to make run like Boston they’ll need Carey to play lights out in pressure situations, something we still have not seen from him in the last 4 or 5 years…

      • mark-ID says:

        Right, Carey would absolutely have to play lights out…you could almost say the same about Quick this year…..but who can deny the depth Doan would add to this team? All of a sudden Boston doesn’t seem so tough physically either/

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  21. commandant says:

    A trade for Dan Boyle makes no sense.

    Yes he’s good but the last thing we need is another offensive defencemen.

    We are overstocked in the position already.

    Get a defensive guy with some nastyness and grit.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      yeah, I agree. Maybe it would be a Kabrele plus something for Boyle so the Sharks could get some cap relief for something else….Other than that it wouldn’t make sense for mtl

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    • Newf_Habster says:

      Exactly it doesn’t make any senses for us to get Boyle in trade. Know what? Some of us are too delusional to follow fraudsters like Eklund, hockeyyinsiderr and the_creasy!

      Know where hockeyyinsiderr get info to create fake rumors? HB forums! WTF!

  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Apparently Michael Farber has accepted a buyout from Sports Illustrated but will remain as a special contributor. Especially after his cancer scare last year, I hope everything worked out to his liking and that it provides him with other opportunities.

    Like maybe being a ‘special contributor’ to HIO, and tag-teaming a Liveblog with his buddy Mike Boone once in a while.

  23. John Q Public says:

    Better get some news from the Habs about a blockbuster trade or something because this place is degenerating quickly.

    But I guess it’s a microcosm of the world we live in.

  24. RD says:

    Don’t think for a second Doan would come to Montreal for all the money in the world.

    -He got bad press from the press here when he was team Canada caption
    -He was accused of calling a ref a frog a few years back and he was tried and convicted by the French media here.

    He will never be a Montreal Canadien.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You overestimate the power of the media to determine decisions and movement in the NHL, and underestimate Montreal fans’ understanding of hockey talent vs. empty words spoken and written to sell advertising.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • RD says:

        The Doan flap even led to the creation of a parliamentary committee that summoned hockey Canada officials to explain why he was picked to be captain.
        -I’m telling you, unless he’s utterly brain dead, he isn’t coming anywhere near Montreal.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Ugh, politicians mixing with hockey… suuuuch a bad idea…

          I think that if he did come, there would be a dramatic re-writing of history.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  25. naweed235 says:

    So according to the one of the twitter accounts I follow just for entertainment, (hint: starts with an Ek) Habs are talking to Sharks about Boyle …

    • Kfourn says:

      That’s going to be expensive, I just don’t see how the Habs could acquire him without giving up good prospects. And at 36 years old and 6.7mil cap hit for the next 2 years I really don’t think that is such a wise move.

      _______________________________________________________
      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

      • RD says:

        Which makes it sound like a typical Montreal move…

      • RobertAlanFord says:

        I don’t think money is an issue. There’s six million and change left in cap space. Also, room needs to be made on the roster if someone else is coming in. I’m gonna take a blind swing and say…….. Bergevin trades Kaberle and a first or second for a strong and skilled D. Like a Seabrook, Keith, Burns, Bouwmeester, etc. No preference just categorizing. I also think Weber is on his way out for picks or part of a bundle.

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        • Kfourn says:

          I wouldn’t give much credibility to an Eklund rumour, but if your looking to get the likes of any of the Dmen you’ve listed it will take much more than Kaberle and a 1st

          Let’s just look at Kieth for instance:

          Norris trophy
          Stanley cup
          Gold medal in the olympics
          4 consecutive years at least at 40 pts or higher while still shutting down the top lines.

          Would you take Kaberle and a 1st for that?

          That type of deal is going to include Paccioretty and a 1st just for starters.

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          Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

          “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      saw that too. Another one I follow had them talking to Calgary about Bouwmeester. Of course these are all just rumours which most often turn out to be a bunch of bs. But rumors aren’t seeded from nothing and it’s nice to know that Bergevin is addressing our needs on D and trying to improve his team all round.

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      http://bleublancetrouge.ca/

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I don’t get why you guys waste your time with hockeyInsiderr and Eklund. They DO seed from nothing. They just want hits and followers. It’s crazy that you’re crediting Bergevin for trying to improve the team because of rumors pulled from someone’s ass who has half the wits to realize what the Habs need and can then run with his own rumours with that info.
        it’s so easy and you guys get suckered into it like a moth to a flame. Habs fans don’t like Gomez, and had shit defence last year, all one has to do is think of a blockbuster name like Boyle.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Why are you following a bunch of frauds like Eklund, hockeyyinsiderr and the_creasy? They just make up those fake rumors to attract delusively gullible fans like you? I am telling you that it WILL NOT HAPPEN cuz they are just BS!

      • naweed235 says:

        “one of the twitter accounts I follow just for entertainment” Relax my friend… At this point of the year I’d follow a dog with a twitter account that talks about hockey… That’s what hockey deprivation does to you…

    • Chris says:

      That trade would make zero sense for Montreal and zero sense for Dan Boyle. I honestly couldn’t see that ever happening, which makes it a perfect Eklund rumour!

      On a side note, it always makes me sad to see Per-Erik (Pelle) Eklund’s name so corrupted by that useless rumour-monger. Always liked Eklund, even though he played for the Flyers. Coincidentally he may very well have been Scott Gomez before Scott Gomez was. His scoring just absolutely disappeared at age 30.

  26. RobertAlanFord says:

    I’m not crazy about adding another veteran winger to the top six. That being said, as per my article on bbr, when Subban signs the Canadiens will be one man over the roster limit. If by some chance Doan was lured to Montreal, Bergevin would have to move two players out to make space on the roster.

    @RAFord77
    http://bleublancetrouge.ca/

  27. Bripro says:

    For a change of scenery….
    Under the category of “Shut up already!”,
    Usain Bolt, according to Dave Stubbs, describes himself via twitter as
    “The most naturally gifted athlete the world has ever seen!”
    I could easily hate this guy, if it wasn’t for the fact that he gives so much back to the community of his youth.

  28. Kooch7800 says:

    Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance to void the trade to the Islanders for their 2nd round pick for 2013.

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/nyi120723.html

    Should be interesting to see how this plays out

  29. mark-ID says:

    I got banned from posting because I wanted to post an article….and I guess it was determined to be spam. I had to change my name slightly….use a different email address….and now I’m stuck with no avatar. I tried multiple emails to explain the situation….but no one ever got back to me.

    So yea……I guess the MODS priorities might be a little out of whack in who they decide to stop from posting.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Bripro says:

      Sent a message to Dave Stubbs, via twitter and he’ll have one of the mods look at your profile and find what the offensive post was. They should reinstate you.

      • HabFab says:

        Stubbs just twitted back for me to tell you to tell Mark that they will be working on it…no typo either.

        • mark-ID says:

          Oh really…..thanks guys….I guess all it takes is connections :)

          I’ll keep an eye on my mark_ID account.

          “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  30. habstrinifan says:

    If I may give my two cents worth, I do not think that anyone should be permanently banned from the site. I do understand the occasional removal of a post or two and the intervention by a moderator to maintain some level of civility.. and that level should meet a standard open enough to allow for a certain degree of intemperate debate.

    I am sure I have posted what many consider inappropriate and offensive. And I should be challenged by the intended taget or the general HIO community. It is better to have to pause and inspect what you have written and determine if you are willing to 100 percent stand by your words or to modify them while still getting your point across even in a forcefully hostile manner.

    Very few people would not, after being challenged, apologise and remove offensive language (cuss words/racist words etc) but strong pointed and yes hostile debate should be allowed. Oftentimes it says more about the original poster than his/her target and having him/her temporarily sanitize the normal language to be accpeted is more misleading.

    • Cal says:

      I’m sorry Trin, but I find this post offensive….NOT. :)

      I like arguments, too, but they do tend to descend to name-calling. Insulting remarks that would cause the one saying these things in person a broken jaw or worse happen all the time on forums like these. Folks are brave behind an anonymous keyboard.

    • New says:

      Most of us understand a fallacious argument and insulting the person you are discussing something with is a big one.

      Our tempers boil when that happens because we know the person throwing out the disparaging remarks has lost the point and is trying to insult us instead.

      But really all that person has written is ” I am right because I can stomp my feet and scream longer than you.”

      Ignore tantrums. Everybody has a bad day or so. (Ok some folks have the odd bad life or so but the ignore rule still works :-)

    • Bripro says:

      Sorry trini, but I can’t argue your point.
      After a long weekend of arguing with my ever-challenging wife, I just….run out of gas! ;)

    • JUST ME says:

      Although i understand that we tend to be emotional and write on the spur of the moment , i can never accept name calling and behaviour that would be different between here and meeting the same individual in person.

      Furthermore i think that there has to be a limit and rules not to be broken if not then it is garanteed chaos.

      Just do not think anyone should be above the rules and this debate is an excellent way to ponder about our own behaviour. It happened to all of us to write something that we should have written differently usually because the content is incomplete but also sometime we tend to overreact cause we did not take the time to think. This is when things get out of control. Some words may be o.k. for us but totally offensive for others.

      Hio is not different from other sites in that regard and generally the content is respectfull but as anywhere else even if it seems unfair , some have to be disciplined in a definitive way.

  31. Mattyleg says:

    Quick question for the Mods:

    Looking through the posts below, I came across Habsolutely calling other posters ‘babies’, ‘pricks’, ‘idiot scum’… and many others.

    Should:
    a) Those posts be allowed to remain?
    2) That poster be allowed back?

    It’s all kinda not what this site is about.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFab says:

      He normally is a good guy…perhaps posting under the influence or PUIing :)

    • Ian Cobb says:

      We have had fowl mouths on here before!
      Just do not respond to them and they go away. It is their only way in life that they can get attention. Do not respond!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I see your point Matty, but kind of with HabFab on this one. Habsolutely is generally a good guy on this site. The Gomez issue seems to really strike a nerve with him. I would like to think he just had an “interesting” weekend. My understanding Patrick Kane was down in Miami this weekend, perhaps they were chillin’ together. :)

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Unfortunately, Matty One of my biggest pet peeves is when people get on a computer and can start insulting people when they are essentially anonymous. This to me is nothing but cowardly. These people when in REAL LIFE would never say boo but they are tough when they are on the computer. I am not specifically talking about this site but the Internet in general. You see people making rude or slanderous comments on twitter or on articles. I remember reading when the police officer was killed in toronto by a stolen snow plow and people where laughing and making jokes…..

      The internet in my opinion needs to be changed so your identity is shown when you make comments. Why is it okay to talk shit/threaten in writing on the net when it isn’t ok in person?

      Just so we are clear I am not saying that about anyone on here. You do get some pissy arguments but hey that is life when we are all so passionate about the habbies

      Sorry man that shit pisses me off to know end.

    • Ron says:

      What your saying about name calling etc is so true on this site Matt. But by you singling out one poster for his action has possibly opened up an avenue for more directed at you. Maybe instead of opening up like you have you might send a e-mail directly to Mr Boone or Mr Stubbs with your complaint. Its summer time and not to many Mods maybe on site. There are others with the habit of directing insults, not just one.

    • boing007 says:

      Send him to the vet, I think that he needs a distemper shot.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • That member goes by the name MiamU on all the hobby/collector sites. He’s been banned by almost all of them because of his personality. He’s got a lot of people here fooled. He showed his true colors yesterday.

      My guess is he likes it here, established a good character and now thinks he can say whatever he wants.

      There’s a reason all the best members stopped posting. If a site has rule listed and then a member breaks those rules but continues on here then the site is not worth my time.

      1. List rules
      2. Moderate
      3. TIME OUTS
      4. 7 day suspensions
      6. 10 Day SPENSIONS
      7. 14 day suspensions
      8. 30 day suspensions
      9. Year long suspensions
      10. Banned for life

      They Call Me Shane
      “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Custom Sports Figures

      • Bripro says:

        Shane. I’ve been a member for a little over a year, and probably never corresponded with most of those you consider as “the best members” who stopped posting. I know of a few who loved to self-promote and were strong on stats, but weak on individuals, per se.
        There are some who come on here, like Ben and Chris, who offer more information than I’ll find elsewhere.
        As for the obnoxious ones, just as Frank and Gerry have stated, I think Habsolutely is either having a bad day or weekend, but there are far worse, and I choose to ignore them.

        • Yep, I ony reply to the select few now.

          It been a great summer here on my island. The only reason I am posting today is because I got laid up paying football on Saturday night. Damp grass, sandles, and chasing kids was not a good mix.

          They Call Me Shane
          “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
          Shane Oliver
          Twitter @Sholi2000
          http://www.Sholi2000.com
          Custom Sports Figures

          • Bripro says:

            It should be a great mix… so I could see why you did it.
            But you have to remember, we’re not getting any younger. ;)
            I wanted to go back to PEI this summer, but my wife wants to be with her friends in Provincetown, Cape Cod.
            It’s going to be a long two weeks, with no Olympics to boot.

          • With everything I’ve done, I’ve never had a back injury. Well this is a dozy and the pain is pretty crazy, about an eight I suppose.

            I love this Island. This week was supposed to be golf week for Matthew (11) and I. I hope this pain passes, as the kids are already driving me crazy. I want to golf! :)

            K, I need to stretch.

            They Call Me Shane
            “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
            Shane Oliver
            Twitter @Sholi2000
            http://www.Sholi2000.com
            Custom Sports Figures

          • Bripro says:

            Take it from one with years of lower back pain, These exercises and these exercises (forget about the poor sap’s lack of grace)are great to lighten the load and remove your back pain.
            The last for me is to get down on all fours, and slowly curve the lower back toward the ceiling, and hold it there for 15-20 seconds.
            About half-way through, you’ll hear a “pop”, meaning your vertebrae is slowly re-allinging itself. Good luck. If not, I have one word for you ….
            Chiropractor!

      • ed lopaz says:

        Hey Shane, if “all the best members stopped posting”, then who are those fine posters right above your comment??

      • JasonM says:

        I still lurk. :)

        Wassap Shane

  32. Ian Cobb says:

    STU !
    Great video, thanks.

    And also, I think it is about time you made your way to our Summit this year my friend!!

  33. commandant says:

    Today I launch “Top Shelf Prospects”

    My 30 team look at the next group of young players who will soon make an NHL impact.

    Today I start with Anaheim

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/23/top-shelf-prospects-anaheim-ducks/

    Go Habs Go!
    NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now.
    Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • HabFab says:

      Looking good, are you going to be limiting to two Top Shelf or just that is all Anaheim has ready to go?

      • commandant says:

        it will be a team by team decision…. some will be 2, some will be 4.

        I like Gibson, Holland, and Rakell, but they are a tier below these two.

        For Montreal, I will probably do three guys…. Beaulieu, Tinordi and Gallagher, as I consider the fourth best guy a step below these three.

        Go Habs Go!
        NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now.
        Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think your slogan should be edited to read:

      “Brought to you by Last Word on Sports”

      it now reads: “Brought you by Last Word on Sports”

      • commandant says:

        I know… the picture needs updating, but the guy who has the file on his computer is Mark, our MMA guy.

        And he’s in the hospital with a nasty bug. It will be updated as soon as he’s better, but I wanted to get started on these today.

        Go Habs Go!
        NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now.
        Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • ed lopaz says:

      looking good Commandant re: the top prospects.

      I would like to offer a recommendation which I think could be a cool feature.

      Why not add 1 “long shot” who you think will surprise and make the NHL??

      That would add a little spice I think as your scouting of draft picks will be brought to the space.

  34. HabFab says:

    My Bad but Saku carries Olympic Torch tomorrow.
    Stubbs will link live around 9:30 am ET from this link;
    http://yfrog.com/oe18jeij

    • Bripro says:

      From legacy to laughing-stock.
      Tragic, really.
      Personally, I think they got off light at $60MM, when you consider that the University’s gross revenue in their sports programs is $132MM of which $100MM is football.
      They should have been nailed for a full year’s worth, i.e. $100MM.

    • Max_a_million says:

      They lose 60 million dollars, 4 seasons of bowl games, 20 scholarships, and will from now on be known as Predator Sexual University … so it’s pretty big.

      • boing007 says:

        I am sure that there have been similar incidents at other universities and colleges around the country. It probably happens globally.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Max_a_million says:

        I am sure there are sexual predators everywhere yes, but the point here is that the top 4 guys in charge blocked it from being reported, fixed, stopped … at least 14 boys were raped as a result of inaction and counter actions by the top 4 men in charge.

        Because Joe Paterno said not to pursue boys lives are ruined!

    • Mustang says:

      It is really difficult for me, as a Canadian, to fully understand the “sports” mentality of many of the major US universities. These universities rely very heavily on their football and basketball programs for financial support. We have sports programs in all of our universities but the members are students first and athletes second. Penn State and many others place the importance of their football and basketball teams well above academic achievement. The NCAA has hit them where it hurts.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      I have followed NCAA football closely and passionately for many years. The penalty that PSU football team have received is real close to death.
      No football program will ever get the death penalty in future after NCAA have learned the hard lesson from the death penalty that they imposed on Southern Methodist University football program in late 1980s.

      PSU will be allowed to play in only regular football games, not conference championship and bowl games for four years. Their football program has made tons of money from donations, ticket sales, TV revenues and etc. Eight years ago my friends and I went there to watch them play against Boston College. We went to a few stores that they owned and they sold all kinds of stuffs related to football. Their biggest store was in front of their main building on the campus.

      • Bripro says:

        Sorry, but they’ve been milking the program for a number of years, and just the fact that they accepted NCAA’s ruling before even knowing what the penalty was, speaks volumes about their financial viability.
        I wouldn’t worry about Penn State. They’re on much more solid ground than SMU was.
        At least the NCAA had the foresight to allow current Penn players to start over elsewhere, if they so chose.

      • Cal says:

        Penn State received a fair penalty. All those University administrators “in the know” should be prosecuted as well as having civil suits brought against them.
        College football in the US is a moneymaker for the schools. Unfortunately, where there are large amounts of money involved, corruption inevitably takes hold. All NCAA universities should be investigated by the NCAA to assure the public of the “one bad apple” doesn’t mean the rest are rotten.

  35. Habitforming says:

    So here’s a question…

    Can Galchenyuk make the Canadiens this season in a significant role? Why or why not?

    (I don’t care about the it’s better for his development to wait etc etc debate)

    • ed lopaz says:

      impossible to tell until training camp.

    • Mike D says:

      I would agree with Ed Lopaz above, but add in the caveat that since he missed almost the entire season last year due to his knee injury, it is VERY doubtful he would make the Habs. Even if he played well enough in training camp I could see the team sending him back to junior.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • boing007 says:

        He did play in the first round of the Memorial Cup and scored some points.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yep, it’s better to let him get back to his pre-operation form and get confidence under his belt before coming up to the Big Show.

      It’s daunting enough as it is for players who’ve been playing well on the Farm, best to get all the advantages going his way before throwing him into the fray. There’s no real rush.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      i dont see why they have too and it doesn’t look like thats the plan going forward.

      we have lots of centers: pleks, dd, eller, white, nokia

      yeah thats not a great lineup but i see no reason the habs would rush him and insert him into the lineup.

      management has put together a team that will bubble for playoff position or sink like a stone.

      making the playoffs at this point is fairly optimistic this season. and if they do i will be pleasantly surprised

    • JUST ME says:

      Although we all secretly and openly would love to see him in a Habs uniform , i think that it would be better to take every step necessary to make sure he takes the right path for him . Saying that you don`t care about his development is a bit pathetic to read to be quite honest. This is a kid playing in a man`s world. Needs to put weight on as every kid does getting to adulthood and also needs to have a proper development program to keep his confifence to the max.

      Just do not remember the Habs having a more promising guy in the organization since,,,since…since…i don`t know…Richer ? Lafleur ? Decades ago !

      So i am sure he will get his 9 games with the Habs at the start of the season before being sent down to Sarnia. Maybe not but let`s not scrap that one.

    • Cal says:

      Normally, a 28th place team would have room for their #3 overall 1st round pick. However, with new management in place, who the hell knows? I am hopeful he forces the brass into some tough decisions.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I bet he has a awesome training camp but I hope he goes back to Junior after playing his 9 games up. This way he can see what the NHL is like and help him prepare in future for it. This is the best draft pick the habs have had since Carey Price. The habs rushed Price a bit and I don’t see the need to do it with Galchenyuk. This team needs him long term and we are not cup contenders so why rush him when it isn’t needed.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Remember, Habitforming!
      There only kids, very large and talented kids, but kids all the same. Greed and poor management sometimes destroys them, and they never get a chance to grow up into men and learn how to be professionals in the minors first!

    • HardHabits says:

      IMO, Galchenyuk should play the year in Junior due to the fact that he missed almost a whole year from a knee injury. If the Habs make the play-offs and Galchenyuk is ripping it up in Junior he should be brought up for for a few last regular season games and subsequently the play-offs.

    • Habitforming says:

      I posted this in hopes of hearing about his abilities and skills that he already has and if it was possible to translaate it to the NHL now. Or if maybe he didn’t have the package needed,. Instead I get 10 posts on how we can’t rush him, and one from “Just Me” that all but calls me a douche bag for writing that I didn’t care about that debate of waiting for his development. Since you are to thick to figure it out Just Me, I think its better to have him wait a season for his development, I just didn’t want to have 900 posts saying the same thing when we all know it is better suited to his future. This was supposed to be a “he has top end NHL skill/talent, but he needs more strength for the NHL ” or some other shortcoming of his. That type of thing.

      /rant

  36. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi 2012 HIO Summiteers,

    This year we have the largest Summit group attending in 6 years.

    Some people are using their own game tickets, and will be attending Hurley’s Pub Friday evening at the meet and greet.
    Some will only arrive Sat. morning at the breakfast.

    All is well, but I do need a better count of those who are going to Hurley’s, so they can arrange staff and area for us.

    Please let me know your numbers for Hurley’s, both Fri, and after the game Sat night.

    At the same time, you better give me numbers for The Baton Rouge pre game dinner, so I can get a better count for reservations please.

    Please let me know by e-mail or phone, so I do not miss seeing it.

    News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

    See ya all there!
    Ian

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay some trivia, this one should be pretty easy for old time Habs Fans. (Got this from a Flyer Blog Site)

    Who Am I?

    1. I am a rookie of the year winner who, despite this, never saw NHL action the following year (Won the Calder Trophy in 1953 only to play the entire 1953-54 season for the Vancouver Canucks of the WHL after asking for a $500 raise)

    2. I won consecutive Stanley Cups twice. (1965 & 1966 and 1968 & 1969 with the Montreal Canadiens)

    3. I was the first player at my position to reach this rather dubious accomplishment. (First goaltender to record 300 wins and 300 losses in a career. Later Joined by Curtis Joseph)

    4. I retired due to a condition that, among reasons for professional sports retirements, would be considered unique. (An phobia related to a fear of flying that lead to a nervous breakdown following a particularly rough flight between Montreal and Chicago, en route to Los Angeles, in 1969).

    5. I made the NHL via tryout, not via the draft. (Made the Verdun Cyclones via tryout. As the Cyclones were a NY Rangers sponsored team, he became their property.)

  38. Mattyleg says:

    Morning everyone!
    Back from the cottage and feeling chill.
    A weekend without electricity or plumbing really puts everything into perspective. How much do we really need the junk that surrounds us and that we consider ‘essential’?

    Philosophosizin’ aside, I’d be surprised if PK isn’t signed by the week’s end. I like the way our team is looking, but I’d love to see an addition at RW. Not mad about the Doan idea; too much money, and it would definitely unbalance the current leadership situation in the dressing room, I think. We have lots of strong leaders, we don’t need another one that badly. A goal-scorer, yes.

    Back to painting and home reno. Bleh.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • boing007 says:

      Right, the Habs need a goal-scoring robot. A no nonsense, Rocket Richard type.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Matty, your correct about the crap we think we need in life. There will come a day, when people will not be able to survive with their family, because of never being exposed to survival necessities only. And to be able to live without things like electricity and other conveniences.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      GLad you had a nice time up at the cottage, what a summer in Ontario for cottage owners, unbelievable. Have you finalized a time when Bripro will be arriving at your house with his contractor belt on and finish all that plastering? Have a great day Matty! :)

    • Kooch7800 says:

      We don’t need the internet…we don’t need smart phones….but we all use them all the time. they are not essentials but for some reason we are all addicted……

      When I am unplugged from everything I truely feel free. For my work as I am sure 90% of the rest of you as well I have a BB and am accessible 24 hours a day as my job is international. When I get to leave my phone and shut it down it is so relaxing……

      Glad you had a good week at the cottage man. It is good to recharge the batteries

      “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

  39. JUST ME says:

    Other sport related subject. The NCAA sure did act against Penn state. Basically this football program is done and left to bleed out in the next few years.
    Liked the comment about the need to place academic results and dignity in front of the football program. I hope that all the other universities and colleges get the message . Appart from Harvard and M.I.T. the schools are judged by their football program way before the succes of the students. Furthermore there is a culture of independance for those institutions wich opens the door to obscures boards of direction that rules their territories with laws and practices above the common law and in this case common sense.

  40. HabinBurlington says:

    An article from the Boston Globe on the off season conditioning program run by Ben Prentiss, two of the players he is working with are Martin St. Louis and Max Paccioretty.

    Interesting read.

    http://articles.boston.com/2012-07-22/sports/32779603_1_phase-louis-stanley-cup

    • Mattyleg says:

      Anyone ever tell you that you have a passing resemblance to Ernie Els, Burly?

      Thought it was you out there, tearing it up.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  41. Clay says:

    Watching the Habs/Bruins game 6 of the 1978 finals right now…interesting how the game has changed since then.

    __________________________
    ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

    • Clay says:

      just put up the following amazing graphic on the screen:
      ‘Guy Lafleur has 57 points in the last 28 playoff games’.
      Ah, the good old days…

      __________________________
      ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=638415

    From the NHL’s website, story on why the teams in East missing playoffs last year may make it this year. Nothing to enlightening, but given the lack of NHL news something hockey related.

    • Bripro says:

      I don’t see how Tampa has really improved, even with Salo as a big D addition.
      LeCavalier is clearly on the down side of his career, and I would think St Louis is as well. Aside from Stamkos, I don’t see the appeal.
      Personally, I think we have a better team.

  43. ed lopaz says:

    so here’s a non hockey thought.

    if I was producing a newscast I would never report anything whatsoever about the terrorist that commit the crime.

    nothing about the “accused” who murdered those people in Colorado, for example.

    not his name, not his picture, not his background, nothing.

    my coverage would be exclusively about the victims, their families, their circumstances, without ever giving any attention or publicity to the criminal.

    its like when a streaker runs on to a playing field, the cameras and announcers are supposed to ignore him.

    maybe if these a-holes knew they would get zero attention after the fact, they would think twice before committing the crime.

    everyone in the world now knows the name of the Colorado shooter, and that’s just wrong.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree with you Ed, unfortunately the news/media outlets have essentially become tabloids (I realize I am stretching this) and really only care about ratings and will publish/air anything about the story to get these ratings.

      It is sad.

    • Cal says:

      +2012. Mass murderers deserve no publicity. Same with assassins of public figures. And I couldn’t care less about that POS’ background.

    • Five_hole says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Sadly the name of the killer is always remembered much longer than that of the victims. Our quest to understand why someone would commit such a crime will guarentee that the perpetrator will always get the lions share of the media coverage.

      ‘There are 10 types of people in the world….those who know binary and those who don’t!’ –unknown

  44. geo_habsgo says:

    Hi Ian! Just a quick question on the Summit. Is it possible to miss some of the other events taking place but still make it out to the Hurley’s night? Can’t make it to the game but would be able to make it to the pub and would love to meet some of you crazy people! Let me know!

    • Bripro says:

      There’s a get-together on friday night at Hurley’s, for all members of HIO.
      Even if you don’t attend the rest of the weekend, just show up and tell them you’re a member of HIO, and they’ll either let you upstairs, or send you to the kitchen to wash the dishes.

  45. Captain aHab says:

    Off-season is dreadful…FML.

    Are we really at the stage where important convos are about how many years exactly Gomez has sucked? I think we should move on to more crucial items like how many hairs there are on a camel’s back.

    Actually what I’m really keeping an eye on right now is China……methinks that baby is about to blow…if you think the global economy sucks just wait a bit. Companies there are starting to hoard USD and banks are forcing people to get an appointment to take out more than $2K in cash. Construction businesses have gone from working round the clock 24/7 to being down to one shift on weekdays only. Strong rumours that they’ve been cooking the books and a major real estate bubble forming…..remind you of something?

    —————-
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    • HabFab says:

      Tim Thomas went that away >>>>

    • Clay says:

      The appointment to get more than $2K in cash only applies to changing RMB to foreign currency – and it’s nothing new. I came to China the first time in 2005, and that was the law then. I’m sure it’s been around much longer than that.
      As for construction – still around the clock here in Shanghai…I can’t speak for other cities.
      As for cooking the books – of course; it is China, after all. Cheating is a way of life here.

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      • Captain aHab says:

        Some local governments are also putting pressure on banks not to massively recall loans. On the book cooking, it is apparently at a whole nuther level than what people have seen. On construction, it’s quite possible that Shanghai is an outlier….anyways, you don’t have to look too hard to find articles about entire ghost cities and neighborhoods built up and being empty. Building more reaches a point where it becomes ridiculous. I’ll have to double check on the appointments…might have gotten that one wrong.

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        • Clay says:

          Shanghai is the ‘model city’ and China’s face to the world, so no surprise they keep building here no matter what. and yes, corruption is rampant in China, so I could easily envision a collapse. But not before the USA I think…they hold too much US debt, and when the yanks crash it may be bad news for China.
          There are a few ghost neighborhoods here for sure – notably this one.
          http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/play/shanghai-thames-town-327844

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  46. HabFab says:

    Saku is one of the Olympic torch bearers today in London as it arrives for the Games.

    Edit; tomorrow around 9:30 am ET

  47. BJ says:

    A thought for making cap space. Depending on wether Nashville match the Flyers offer, the Preds would be a ways from meeting the low end of the cap. I wonder if Nashville would go for the following: Another Weber (ours) + Gomez + next years 2nd choice for their first. It could solve problems for both teams.

    • ont fan says:

      It’s always interesting how most trades here are GOMEZ, WEBER and some 2nd or 3rd draft choices or any other spare parts for anything from the other team. This trade will always be good for both teams.

  48. pmaraw says:

    omg its 4:45am on monday and pk isnt signed yet /hairloss

    • Clay says:

      It’s worse for me – it’s 5:32 pm on Monday and PK isn’t signed yet :P

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      • HabFab says:

        Not to worry, can’t see another team being able to shanghai him :D

      • 123456 says:

        damn 5:30 pm monday – so it’s 8:30 am here (in NY)…. can you tell me how my day went? should i ditch the coffee for scotch?

        • Clay says:

          8:50 here now…your day went fine. A lazy Monday with a few beers (Moosehead) and great dinner. You just started a one month holiday. Enjoy it!
          I had coffee and beer. So I think you can have both coffee and scotch.

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      • boing007 says:

        Almost time for the six o’clock news.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  49. holypricehabsman says:

    I love how we are all supposedly habs fans in here but we fight amongst ourselves more than we fight with the leafs! No wonder everyone says we are the worst fans in the NHL! Doan would be great and not extremely unlikely considering he has family on the team, and his agent has confirmed his interest just said not ready to decide. As for Gomez, we need him off the cap hit so however we do it, great, let’s just get it done. Even if he has another 30-40 point season in him (definitely not 60), it’s not worth the hit of 7 mill on a team that needs to use that cap hit on an actual offensive 70+ point scorer. I am a fan of what Gomez has done, and players love playing with him, but the cons by far outweigh the pros.

    All of this is just my opinion, mostly based on what agents and bergevin have said to the media, and I absolutely respect all the other opinions on this board and think everyone’s point is valid as none of us can predict what will actually happen!

  50. third generation haber says:

    Lots of Gomez talk on here,

    I understand how the cheerleaders don’t want to hear us bash on this guy, but his poor production, massive cap-hit, and seemingly poor effort on the ice make him, IMHO, the biggest embarrassment the NHL has ever seen. How can a forward go an entire year without scoring a single goal????

    The fact that he wears our jersey is bad enough, the fact that he wears number 11 utterly depresses me.

    To think how many fans hold Subban, Darche, Price accountable for their play. In a cap system, how accountable is Gomez? This guy should not be playing in the NHL.

    j.p. murray

  51. HardHabits says:

    All I’m Shane is Doan get your hopes up.

  52. jedimyrmidon says:

    Don’t know if anyone mentioned this yet, but Craig Button tweeted a link to commandant’s article on the history of offer sheets, calling it an “excellent recap”. He’s moving up in the world!

  53. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi 2012 HIO Summiteers,

    This year we have the largest Summit group attending in 6 years.

    Some people are using their own game tickets, and will be attending Hurley’s Pub Friday evening at the meet and greet. Some will only arrive Sat. morning at the breakfast.

    All is well, but I do need a better count of those who are going to Hurley’s, so they can arrange staff and area for us.

    Please let me know numbers for Hurley’s, both Fri, and after the game Sat night.

    At the same time, you better give me numbers for The Baton Rouge pre game dinner, so I can get a better count for reservations please.

    Please let me know by e-mail or phone, so I do not miss seeing it.

    News, Pictures and comments
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    See ya all there!

    Ian

  54. galchenyuk27 says:

    Who the hell would trade gally Gallagher and pk for weber I wouldn’t make that trade for Crosby someone needs to put his pipe down

  55. galchenyuk27 says:

    Don’t get me wrong guys I’d love to have a guy like Shane doan but in case you don’t remember him trash talking Frenchmen saying how flakey we where almost soccer players

    • Clay says:

      Don’t believe the hype. Doan did not say anything of the sort.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      If I recall it was a teammate that made comments and Doan was blamed for it. Not sure of details, but pretty sure he was eventually cleared.

    • commandant says:

      First off your quote is wrong in two ways

      1) It was Ladislav Nagy, not Shane Doan who made an anti-french remark
      2) Second it was directed at a ref, who he called a “typical french ref” and didn’t have anything to do with flakeyness or soccer players.

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  56. Cal says:

    PK’s agent, Don Meehan, is a very busy agent with players he’s been representing longer than PK. He would give priority to those he’s represented longer and this isn’t slighting PK at all, it’s just the way it is. Meehan can’t have all his players signed July 1st. So, um, let’s give this topic a rest until he signs, okay?
    Oh, and if hell freezes over, Doan becomes a Hab. So, let’s forget that and have a pleasant summer until Training camp and the forseeable lockout.

  57. commandant says:

    Gomez has sucked for 2 years not 4.

    ~60 points might not be $7 million worth of production and he’s overpaid for that but it is still legit top 6 production not “sucking”

    There is a difference between slightly overpaid but useful, and what Gomez was the last two seasons

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think that would depend on perspective

      • Mattyleg says:

        The perspective is given, I think.
        He did pretty well in his first 2 years, and was shitty for the next two.

        His salary means that for those first two years, he was overpaid for being a ~60pt player, which isn’t a terrible crime, as most players in this league are overpaid for what they actually contribute.

        The next two years are just a freakin’ disaster, and yes, he did suck, and his suckiness was compounded by his high salary.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • nunacanadien says:

          Prust would be added to the list of New York to Montreal players as being overpaid to suck. Let’s just understand this now. Like Gauthier, Bergevin has learned the smoke and mirrors trick to hide the fact that Bergevin is also hired to make Montreal suck while we overpay for tickets and watching another dismal season. But that is what happens when Coors America and Bettman wants the habs to suck. So Coors tells Geoff Molson to let the team sink another year…ok. But hey, we didn’t even get Yakupov!

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Right you are. If Gomez were to put up 60 points this year, there would not be many complaints. Habs would likely be comfortably in a play-off position.

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
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      • nunacanadien says:

        Maybe Prust was signed to make Gomez shine. When Gomez has a huge year of crashing the other net then we’ll praise the corporate hockey world…yes boards can help make intelligent decisions after all……too bad the committees that run the habs can’t be seen behind the bench, helping to coach the Gomez’s the Bourques and the Prusts of the world…..these hockey Yes men….

  58. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    ok, just finished reading Probert’s book (it’s awesome BTW, I totally recommend it, not as good as Fleury’s book though)

    One thing that jumped at me was that when he had been suspended by the Wings in 1988 for failing drug tests and continually missing curfews. No only was he suspended, but he was he was suspended without pay. His agent argues that NHL contract rules stated that a player cannot be suspended without pay unless he is not physically able to play. The leuge agreed and told the Wings that unless they re-instated him, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF HIS CONTRACT AND HE WOULD BECOME A FREE AGENT. He was re-instated.

    The point is is that the player becomes a free agent if the team breaches his contract.

    see where this is going……………

    So, all we have to do is to insure that Gomez is caught doing some really unpleasant stuff and breaking team rules, giving the big club an excuse to suspend him without pay. His agent argues that it is not allowed, the league agrees, and gives the Canadiens a deadline to re-instate him, we do not meet the deadline, and Mr. F**king Albatross becomes a Free Agent. And only then does Gomez, his agent, and the NHL realize that him becoming UFA was the point the whole time.

    With a huge weight lifted off our cap situation, and the elephant gone from the figurative and literal room, we immediately set about to re-establishing ourselves as a respected franchise.

    The End

    • commandant says:

      Step 2

      Gomez takes the issue of his pay before an arbitrator. The arbitrator finds that the Habs could not suspend him without pay and in addition to him being a free agent, the Habs pay his full salary and absorb the cap hit as well, as this is attempted cap circumvention

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      I enjoyed Fluery’s book much more too be honest. I found Properts book really was not edited very well and the flow of the book was quite awful. Hearing how crazy his life was pretty wild but he didn’t sound like a very good guy…he seemed like a dick. I am sure a lot of his mood swings and craziness as due to the concussions but regardless he lived life pretty hard

      • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

        Prbert’s book was poorly edited, and had a scatterbrained plot, but it still had a fair bit of good moments. In the end, I do believe that he was just a guy who made a multitude of bad choices throughout his life, and I can’t help but applaud him for not attempting to make excuses for himself in his book, he clearly states that he and he alone was the cause of his troubles. He seemed to have turned it around at the end.

        Flurey’s book was great, and you can clearly see that he had a lot of problems in his upbringing, not to mention his ordeal at the hands of Graham James. Overall, it was a much better organized book, and had a much better structure and narrative. The only problem was that Fleury does inject a teensy bit of self pity into the narrative. Proberts book was inferior to Fleury’s, but contained no trace of self pity on part of the author.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I see what you mean about the self pity but he didn’t have an easy go of it with his upbringing and then being a target from James but I think he was trying to show what abuse could do to an individual and the effect it can have on their mindset. He was always looking for an escape from reality and substance abuse was his way….

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thank you! I read that mishmash and couldn’t believe how awful the author was. You get the feeling she let Bob Probert talk and let him get away with glossing over stuff, didn’t probe enough in some circumstances. Some really interesting areas were left unexplored. She would allow him to use meaningless generalizations like “it is what it is” and “you wouldn’t believe it if I told you”…

        I understand that a ghost writer isn’t there to hang the subject, they’re often there to put the subject in a good light, but Kirstie McLellan butchered an opportunity to have Bob Probert tell his story in context. If he had used a Gare Joyce or Roy McGregor, they would have been able to dig a little deeper, and provide backstory about how the league was evolving during this time. She probably recorded what he said, typed it up, and that was her manuscript, with no follow-ups with Mr. Probert or revisions. Her editor was asleep obviously.

        I still read the whole book, sometimes skimming a little. The most enjoyable part of the book was how much of a tool Colin Campbell was, and how easily he was fooled all the time and was the butt of jokes. How he landed his job in inconceivable.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      This is by no means the craziest idea that has ever been brought up here.

      I was just using my imagination, I mean, can we at least take a risk??

    • Wayne says:

      No, No, no … Gomez gets mauled by a bear while looking for his golf ball in the brush.

      The End

  59. aj says:

    There’s nothing new under the sun right now except for the new contract offer of Subban and the CBA talks. Now, regarding to the Shane Doan business, I’m feeling he’ll UNLIKELY be leaving Phoenix. Even if the team moves to another city like in Seattle or somewhere in California, Doan we’ll be in favour of that move rather than to relocate himself and his family somewhere cold.

    The last time HNIC interviewed Doan in Arizona, he immediately stated he enjoys staying there.

  60. pmaraw says:

    take your time pk, no rush, do what you gotta do. 2 years ago price didnt sign till like a week before training camp, and as he would say ‘chill out, its the off season.’

  61. mksness says:

    i think the priority should be to sign subban first. if you attempt and are successful at signing doan it make’s an offersheet for subban from another team more likely since you’re now short handed in available salary cap space. pretty sure the habs would match and make the necessary moves to get to the cap but it would still create some drama.

  62. Harry says:

    This signing of PK is really taking to long for a loving relationship,,,, how about a Nashville deal for Weber for PK, maybe a Tinordi +- Yannnick Weber & for sure Gomez which helps the Nashville cap at this late time…plus Gomex I believe is good still and will help younger potential stars & help these young Nashville players enormously…..this dragging on event of the signing-non signing of PK shows it is not a love-love relationship PK+ agent + Habs,,,, despite PK father’s love for the Habs & the fans believe that that is also PK’s trip…the only sign of Pk’s love in Montreal is Price…at least on RDS end of third period….

    So think big time Habs not condo love- if beyond hot dog bucks,,,go for Weber……need a power play…
    I’ve been a fan for decades & decades & Mtl scene is for hockey for fans is there greater than anywhere but there was astretch where the richer & corporate stopped buying season ticket etc..

    without any big change between last & this year(Cole?} with no substantial improvement except injury returns on thjis year vs. last….
    I get the feeling I and other fans are being as much used as M. George Nield Gillett Jr. or Geoffrey Eric Molson

    anybody not on payroll with views???

    Hairy Harry

    • RGM says:

      *sigh* Posts like this, with such unfounded statements like those in the opening sentence, have really damaged the credibility and reputation of Canadiens fans as being the most knowledgeable in hockey.

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      • Cal says:

        Come now, not all fans have studied the CBA- a 475 or so page document, like you. ;)

        You are right, though. Wow.

      • Harry says:

        so I don’t know hockey? … don’t know who I am that’s for sure nor how often or not I get it right…….You and a coupleothers make a time of it with constant chatter on these sites…as to your belief in the knowledge of Canadians fans, I differ….few really know anything about many importantthings such club’s finances, character of the players, what happened in contract negotiations. what players have what injuries that effects their play, who pays what for injured players, what does Habs ownership actually
        make or lose or their budgetary aims & how it effects signings…They may be the most fanatic, loud, loyal fans, but nottoo knowledgeable apart from statistics…even there one has to wonder!

        Hairy Harry

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Carey Price took until just prior to training camp to sign his second contract, he just signed a new 6 year contract.

      Weber can no longer be traded by Nashville for at a minimum of 1 year by Nashville if indeed they match the offer sheet.

      As for condo love or hot dog bucks I am unsure of what that means.

      The Team and PK realize the magnitude of this signing, perhaps thus the reason for time involved. If indeed the two parties are in a boardroom yelling how they hate each other I suspect news would be drastically different than the reports of further talks this coming week.

    • JUST ME says:

      What part didn`t you understand ? Nashville or Philly ? Weber will end up in one of those two cities so what`s the purpose of this brilliant trade idea ?

      I would offer Galchenyuk,Gallagher and P.K. It would make so much more sense and then we would be sure to have a future !

      Please do not consider me to be a fan if this is the mind set needed to win….

      • boing007 says:

        Good thing that it is just you that would trade Galchenyuk Gallagher and PK for Weber.

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        • JUST ME says:

          Just suggested that to illustrate that to even think to trade P.K and Tinordi for Weber is totally insane so why not go all in and scrap whatever promising youngster while we`re at it ?

          Just blows my mind to read comments here on all the trades ,all the players we should get or should have gotten , blame the habs for what they do and what they did not do.

          • boing007 says:

            Sorry, I misunderstood. My mistake. If other teams only want our top prospects before considering making a deal, I would rather not go that route. Even for Weber. I also think that Semin, AK and Gally could make a great trio.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  63. mrhabby says:

    Shane Doan wants to go to a team that gives him the best chance to win the Cup. Not a rebuilding team. Habs surely don’t need a long term contract for 35 yr old player. Come on folks.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Agree Mrhabby. If the club was a player or two away it would be different. Until the rebuild/retool is near completion we should not be adding 35 year old players to long term contract.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Phoenix????


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  64. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Colby Rasmus really stepped up this weekend. I’d like to see him on the left wing with Pleks and Gio.

  65. Richrebellion says:

    Both Bourque and Cole shoot left, they do prefer the right side but I don’t think it would be a problem for either to switch sides. With Doan our top 2 lines could be
    Patches-DD- Doan
    Cole-Pleks-Gio
    Armstrong-Eller-Bourque
    Moen-White-Prust

    Pretty solid top 9 and a bottom six that will bring energy and a huge amount of physical play.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      That lineup still doesn’t win a cup, so why not use this next year as a building year. With Gio, Markov back, a new coaching staff which can hopefully jumpstart Bourqe, and perhaps one of Kaberle or Gomez gets back to form.

      End of day, Doan is going to cost a 4 or 5 year contract. We already have significant contracts with Markov, Gio, Plex, Cole, Gomez as veterans. Is adding another veteran really our best move versus patience? What if Doan hits the wall in the next 2 years, we then deal with his contract for 3 more years.

      Lets grow this team, we have added some energy pieces, we have key pieces coming back from injury and we have pieces with something to prove.

      Patience! my opinion.

      • JF says:

        Agreed. Doan is a good player and a great leader, but he would not push us over the top. We’re just not there yet, so now is not the time to be adding a player like Doan and taking on another big contract. Quite apart from the fact that I can’t think of a single reason why he’d choose to come to Montreal. The taxes, the climate, the language, the fact we finished in 15th place last year….

    • Malreg says:

      Cole has always struggled on the left side, just take a look at his stint in Edmonton. They figured they could just toss him on the left-side and he would be the same, but it doesn’t work that way for everyone.

      He generates all of his offense off the rush, coming down the right-side and using his body to protect the puck and drive the net.

    • showey47 says:

      I wouldn’t even think about moving cole to the left side. He creates alot of his own scoring chances with that acceleration and powermove he does coming down the right wing.

    • neumann103 says:

      Below Malreg points out why this is a bad idea for Cole. Could move Bourque to the left side.

      However for the money Doan is going to get for the term he is going to get he is a bad fit for the habs at this point.

      Jagr at around 3.5 million a year for a year or two wouldhave been an okay stopgap to add dome top six punch but Down for 4 or 5 years at Six or seven million a year would be nuts.

      “Et le but!”

  66. Price07 says:

    Bourque is a LW or at the very least can play both wings so he is not the reason for any log jam. The habs need a LW to play on the second line instead of Bourque, or they could replace Gionta with Doan. However that would still leave the LW problem.

  67. HabinBurlington says:

    Shane Doan I hope signs with a team giving him a chance to win a cup. He has always been a hard working, great teammate and loyal player for that franchise. I don’t blame him for exploring his UFA status and even in doing so, he is trying to find a way to stay with Phoenix. All that said, I really hope he does not end up in the East. While his points may have been down his overall game is excellent. That said, somebody will overpay and give him 4-5 years which could be dangerous.

    Have to echo 24Cups thoughts on Adam Scott, I actually feel sorry for a 32 year old millionaire, but he was so classy in defeat. Ernie Els as always was classy in victory. Absolutely love the Big Easy! Wish he could have won the tournament under different circumstances, but a few months from now it will be remembered as an Ernie Els victory, way to go Ernie!!!!! :)

    • Exactly Gerald. The man should be looking to win the Cup and soon, his time in the NHL is soon done.

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    • naweed235 says:

      Not to sound too optimistic but I don’t see why he wouldn’t have a chance to win the cup in Montreal in the next 3 to 4 years assuming that’s the term he is looking for

      • In three to four years there won’t be room for him.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I agree in 3-4 years we should or could be right there. But by that time we have to resign MaxPac, DD and Eller. We have to replace or resign Gionta, Markov, Emelin, replace Gomez, Kaberle.

        We don’t know what Cap Ceiling will be, could realistically go down. I have nothing against adding Doan the player today, but we have incredible potential talent coming up in Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu. We may have a new sparkplug in Gallagher. But adding Doan now ties up a great deal of capspace. Do we really know how good Doan will be in 3-4 years? We already have a guy named Cole whom I hope will still be effective, but do we know he will be?

        There will be UFA’s in the next 2-3 years, I just really think we have to be patient and see what we have currently before committing big bucks to another aging veteran.

  68. sreuel says:

    I have never heard from TSN or Sportsnet that the Habs are on any list that Doan would goto. Just rumors Molson didnt buy out Gomez so that only means one thing he is staying. Another year of underachieving.

    • Habziefan09 says:

      Wow, this is getting old as referendums on Quebec Independence.

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    • RGM says:

      Well aren’t you a veritable fountain of useful information.

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  69. HardHabits says:

    Hmm. The realists have nudged their way up to 27%.

  70. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …like Shane Doan …respect Shane Doan …He would be an excellent addition to a Pittsburgh, Rangers, San Jose …in fact, almost any other teams, including Da Weeds …but not the Montreal Canadiens
    …for many reasons

  71. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I always knew what I wanted …got what I wanted …or, left the bar :)

  72. Un Canadien errant says:

    To me, to spend any time and thought at all on the possibility of Shane Doan playing in Montréal is an even bigger waste of time than planning for a Scott Gomez return to relevance.

    You guys remember how this is done: you walk into the pub and scan the room, and you pick out the available targets, then begin eliminating unrealistic ones right away. There’s the group of teeny boppers who are way too young, the rocker chick covered in tattoos who probably won’t respond to your grey pinstripes, the blonde who is obviously there with her boyfriend. You don’t waste time and drinks on those targets, when you can instead set up with your friends at the bar and ask the bespectacled girl sitting at the corner stool with her book: “Whatcha reading?”

    • neumann103 says:

      Norm
      In addition to being one of the five or six posters on HIO who are always worth reading I now want you as my Wingman !

      I should have known about the pinstrkpes. I still don’t understand the thing about too young.

      “Et le but!”

    • wjc says:

      Un Canadien errant: Interesting choice of words. “Bigger waste of time than planning for a Scott Gomez return to relevance. Do you realize that you have NO control. You cannot plan anything, it is going to happen regardless of what you think you can plan.

      Grey pinstripes, you kill me. Go for the intellectual, the bars are full of them. The bar is a regular library, full of intellectuals.

      wjc

  73. HammerHab says:

    I wouldn’t give him much more than 5-6 mil for 3 years.

  74. arcosenate says:

    With reports of 4 years at $30 million being offered to Doan, are we realistically in the running? We still don’t know what plan exists for Gomez.

  75. Cal says:

    Your summertime optimism is showing. ;)

  76. HabinBurlington says:

    e) he judges what to do with Gomez based on his observations at training camp or perhaps after 20 games in the season.

  77. wjc says:

    A) CBA amnesty buyout…..sorry no buyouts
    B) Trade……………………..Not likely, not enough return at this point.
    C) Demotion to farm……….How does that save money, not going to
    happen.
    D) Europe……………………far fetched, sorry no deal there.
    E) Play as center on the Canadiens……bingo, that is what is going
    to happen.

    He is still a member of the team, means exactly that, he will get to prove himself at training camp….I for one am excited.

    Montreal is not weighing it’s options to get rid of him, sorry to burst your bubble, sunshine.

  78. Cal says:

    A. There won’t be any CBA amnesty. The only reason the league had one in the first place was so teams above the brand new salary cap had a mechanism to get below the cap while honoring existing contracts.
    B. A trade is very unlikely given the lack of performance despite his salary being lower than the cap hit.
    C. Jackpot, but only if his training camp is spectacularly bad.
    D. Ain’t happening.

    So, in essence, there is a 25% chance Gomez will not be a Hab by October.

  79. Steven says:

    Honestly, watch it happen just because no one expects it to. Sorta like a reverse jinx or something.

  80. wjc says:

    Hyperbole, over statement. Gomez isn’t awesome yet. Once again two (2) off seasons….last season in New York 58 points…first season in Montreal 59 points….awesome playoff….Geez….LOOK IT UP!

    wjc

  81. HabinBurlington says:

    This has nothing to do with me thinking he is or isnt a top 6 forward. MB was not the GM when Gomez was traded for, he will need to make his own assessment of Gomez in watching him under the coaching staff he has put in place. This is just my opion bud, you could be just as right and Bergevin may walk into Molson’s office and say guess what you are paying 5million bucks this season for a guy to play in Frankfurt, Hamilton or Anchorage. The trade won’t happen until he shows he can still be productive, I doubt the amnesty is coming.

    Do I think Gomez can be a 50point producer again? Yes, are the chances greater than 10-20% probably not.

    He will need to be dealt with, but I think he gets a crack at training camp to show something, like it or not.

  82. HabFab says:

    I’m not sure how much Gomez sucks? And I for one will be glad when he is gone, however I don’t see him leaving in any hurry so try to temper that “he is gone” because you may be in for a major disappointment…just saying.

  83. wjc says:

    Habsolutely, stop exaggerating he has had two off seasons. Not four as you state, please do not bend the truth to suit your arguements.

    Last year in New York he had 58 points
    First year in Montreal he had 59 points and a very productive playoff

    The only suckitude is your hypebole.

    Relax about salaries and cap hits, the cap is not a problem and no one is asking you to contribute to his salary.

    You speak for the rest of the hockey world…..please you are talking foolish. Don’t pretend to know what the rest of the hockey world gets. Why is it so hard to understand, you are one person, with one opinion just like everyone else.

    wjc

  84. HabFab says:

    I would rather keep PK and Patches thank you!

  85. Cal says:

    Anaheim would take a MaxPac for Ryan, so why not just keep MaxPac and forget Ryan. He’s not coming. Oh, and I’d rather pay Cole than Nash. He just isn’t that good and Columbus won’t take a Diaz and Weber and some old skates for him. They want 2 regulars and 2 prospects for a guy who scores goals in a no-pressure environment.

  86. wjc says:

    Oz, has one “Z” brainiac. You remind me of the yappy little dog.

    wjc

  87. wjc says:

    Show Gomez the door, that doesn’t make any sense.

    wjc

  88. HabFab says:

    My point is the asking price for Nash or Ryan would be PK and Patches…PK is not going anywhere.

  89. commandant says:

    Why? was it a problem two years ago when Price signed the day before training camp?

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  90. Dust says:

    Im pretty sure PK won’t be getting an offer sheet. It just doesn’t happen that often. Most GMs won’t do it.

  91. wjc says:

    Skippy….can always tell when I got to you…..you pull the Skippy line out.

    wjc

  92. commandant says:

    Montreal has over 6 million in cap space and is one of the richest teams in the NHL. We can match any offer for Subban

    Teams who become prey for offer sheets either have no money or no cap space

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  93. commandant says:

    Where did I say I wanted to pay him 6 million? Maybe you should go back and read what I read again, because that was never said, nor was it ever implied.

    I said the Habs have plenty of cap space, and plenty of cash meaning that they can match any offer for PK.

    This means that the chances of any team even trying an offer sheet are greatly, greatly reduced.

    History shows out that teams don’t do offer sheets unless the team they target is vulnerable, either cap wise, or dollars wise. Montreal is neither.

    As for an unmatchable deal by a southern team, and a huge marketting hit. How’d that strategy play out for the Atlanta Thrashers?

    As for the personal attack, cut the crap… why is that even necessary?

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  94. HabinBurlington says:

    @Commandant, as soon as I read the marketing comment, I also immediately thought of the Atlanta Thrashers as well, didn’t seem to help in the least as I recall. If that were the case Dallas Stars, L.A. Kings and Phoenix Coyotes would be begging us for Gomez.

  95. RGM says:

    Do we really need to revisit the ridiculousness of HIO that summer and the subsequent insanity that erupted after that first preseason game?

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  96. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t think you read his post properly.
    And being agressive isn’t really useful here (ie pom-pom quip).

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  97. commandant says:

    60 points is not a “3rd line” player

    60 pts would be a tie for 56th in NHL scoring meaning there are less than 2 players per NHL team on average who got 60 points

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  98. Cal says:

    Ignore him, Matty. The “dog days” have come early for him.

  99. nunacanadien says:

    Let’s give Gomez a fair shake. Ok, he tried and he did not post great results. The veteran was hurt. Just like he was hurt when he didn’t post great numbers in New York. The corporate world loves these Gomez types as they make for great smoke and mirrors as they say, divert the attention away from the fans from realizing they are not paying for top 6, in fact the habs have paid top price for what? The worst of the worst injured veterans and rookies who are too small to fit in the real NHL contending teams?

  100. Cal says:

    @Habsolutely- lighten up, it’s a hockey talk board and you are in no way connected to any NHL teams, so you’re like everyone else here with no credibility and being pissed off that you have to work tomorrow before your drunk wears off.

  101. Mattyleg says:

    I’ve just come back from the cottage and haven’t been following HI/O.
    I’m just in a good mood, and it’s sad to see people getting so ‘in-your-face’.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  102. Mattyleg says:

    I’m happy you’re laughing.
    It’s good for you. Exercises muscles, releases serotonin (the ‘feel-good’ stuff) into the bloodstream, and generally improves the mood.

    Keep laughing Habsolutely!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  103. ross says:

    It must be tough trying to troll the comments, but all you can get out of the other commenters are polite rebuttals and pleasant requests for you to not be quite so flippant, kind sir, with a doff of the hat and a tip of the monocle.

    Must be the weekend good vibes.

  104. boing007 says:

    Methinks that you need a distemper shot.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  105. pmaraw says:

    I can see him getting a chance to play under the new coaching staff, but i would think he’ll have a short leash. I just hope for his sake he gets some confidence back.

  106. BJ says:

    My grandmother was also once 25.

  107. commandant says:

    Why do you keep changing the facts? 2010 was 4 years ago? He scored ~60 points in both 2008-09 (59) and 2009-10 (58). He was overpaid those years, but he wasn’t putting up 3rd line production, and he didn’t completely suck like you claimed.

    Look, I’m not saying Gomez is good, or that he should be on the team or anything like that.

    But the fact is, he’s had two bad seasons, not 4.

    There is no need to lie to make him look worse than he is.

    And there is no need to swear at people, threaten them, or call them names just because they disagree with you.

    Seriously you are acting like a 12 year old.

    Its days like this that I hope H I/O installs new software with an ignore feature where you can block certain accounts.

    You bring nothing even coming close to resembling intelligent discourse to this conversation.

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  108. wjc says:

    Try to look forward, last two years, not good. Good career up to that point. It is obvious to me and millions and millions of Canadiens hockey fans (hyperbole) all over the world that Gomez will comeback.

    How do you like over statements.

    wjc

  109. wjc says:

    I expect it, so you cannot say “no one expects it”, because someone does. Actually some do which is more then “no one”, by a few.

    wjc

  110. boing007 says:

    How good will Weber be without Suter to complement him? Don’t know yet. I would take a potential 50 goal scorer over a star Dman any day. Defense by committee can always make up for the lack of a super D. Fifty goal scorers don’t play by committee. Except with their linemates.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  111. Kooch7800 says:

    I think the frustration is just how fast he dropped off in his play and how people thought he would bounce back last year and he was worse. He will never live up to his contract, it was insane from day one.

    I don’t care about his cap hit as much as I would just like to see him do something useful on the ice. He was terrible last year and you could see the coaches finally giving up with him on the 4th line but somehow he was still getting PP time which didn’t make any sense to me.

    I would like to see him play for another team that needs leadership as I would like to see a young guy develop in his place

  112. boing007 says:

    I would prefer a Bourque who plays at his best over Cammaleri.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  113. nunacanadien says:

    Ahh…so we try and find another way to make a Bettman forced trade/signing to fly….ok, so too bad we don’t realize what a bigger hockey world we live in and how the corporate small c conservative point of view has got us so far: hockey that sucks, and then we vote like we are nuts and vote for a crazy house of commons on top of that…..come on Canada! We need Montreal to shine again, the Stanley Cup in Montreal again so Canada can be saved from the Americans! You really want some anal retentive white boy shooting up the theatre? We want to be American? Screw that!

  114. nunacanadien says:

    Come on Montreal fans! You deserve this! You overpaid for tickets! Live the Corporate Hockey World dream that is Montreal! Where else does a committee get overpaid to also overpay a hockey world “yes” man. So Gomez sold out the players as a snitch for Bettman and he got his fat Canadian contract……now we know what Gomez really is: A union buster/scammer/scum.

    Get rid of this corporate hockey player, when are we gonna get some real Canadian playing hockey in Canada for the Canadiens?

  115. Habfan10912 says:

    Deep breaths bud. It can get frustrating on here when some revert to name calling and personal attacks. Come on up and we’ll do some fishing. That always calms the nerves.
    You picked 3 of many class acts in your acknowledgement for sure. Cheers.
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  116. Mattyleg says:

    Sometimes it’s best to just walk away from the keyboard, mate.
    What I wrote was nothing personal against you at all, I just don’t like seeing things deteriorate like that for fear that they set a precedent.

    We’ve all had our ‘meltdowns’, but sometimes it’s just best to (in the words of Monty Python) “Run away!! Run away!”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  117. HabFab says:

    Well I for one, am jealous of where you live in winter…now not so much.

  118. Mattyleg says:

    Hey man, I’m really sorry that I didn’t know it was a joke.
    I guess my reaction was because it’s the sort of thing that people say for real.

    I have nothing against you, I just saw it spiralling out of control.

    Probably should have just kept my nose out of it not easy to do, considering the size of my schnozz.

    Apologies man.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  119. Habfan10912 says:

    I can vouch for Matty too Habs, he’s a good man. Sounds like a misunderstanding that got a little out of hands. Let’s go fishing! :)

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  120. Cal says:

    IF you said these things to my face, I believe I would “break your jaw.” There. I’m as brave as you.

  121. Cal says:

    Deep breaths? He was insulting anyone with an opinion other than his.

  122. Kooch7800 says:

    yeah…the habs won’t get Doan or Semin.

    Semin is going to the Wings I think. Doan I still think will be in the Desert and if not maybe a team like the Cannucks

  123. habstrinifan says:

    Canucks will become truly elite should they get Doan. They have been missing someone like him.

  124. mksness says:

    i can’t swallow the signing of semin on our team.

  125. Kooch7800 says:

    They are close to a cup and I think he would be a good fit as well and he is from BC

  126. Kooch7800 says:

    Won’t happen don’t worry

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  127. Chris says:

    Doan is from Alberta, but his wife is from BC.

  128. Kooch7800 says:

    yes, Chris, you are right. My bad

  129. adamkennelly says:

    sarcasm….and a few shots at Howson as a GM.

  130. kbhab4ever says:

    What are YOU taking about? You support Gomez.Do you watch any games.You can not seem to see how bad scOT 2 GOmez is.


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