The latest on Shane Doan

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When RDS reported earlier this month that the Canadiens were among the many teams — at least half the league — expressing interest in UFA Shane Doan, no one expected the Coyotes captain to remained unsigned three full weeks after his contract expired. But that’s where things sit.

The reason for that, of course, is that Doan prefers to remain in Arizona and he’s been hoping the process of selling the club to former Sharks president Greg Jamison moves forward to the point where it appears very likely to happen, if not exactly a done deal.

“He’s more or less waiting for (clarification) on what’s going on with the ownership in Phoenix, not so much going for more money. He’s a very honest guy, and I know he’s the type of guy who would take a pay cut to remain with the Phoenix Coyotes,” teammate Paul Bissonnette told Luke Fox on Sportsnet.ca late last week. “You can see why teams are offering him (contracts), because leadership is hard to come by, especially with guys like Shane Doan.”

Some people believe Doan will remain with the Coyotes, but that’s really not a certainty as long as the Coyotes remain unsold. Doan’s agent, Terry Bross, expected to hear late last week on Jamison’s progress but nothing has come to light yet. Bross said if he didn’t have a good indication the sale was proceeding, Doan would start exploring options more seriously.

“Teams have been great about being patient with me, and I appreciate it so much because I know the fluidity of the market and the way that it moves,” Doan said in New York last week where he was for the CBA talks in his role as a member of the NHLPA Negotiating Committee. “The teams have been so kind to my family and understanding the situation we’re in. That being said, eventually I have to make a decision, and it’ll have to probably be without all the information.”

In fact, Doan did meet with representatives of both the Rangers and Flyers while on the East Coast.

There have been obstacles in the Coyotes sale: First was Jamison’s ability to attract partners and raise the money to buy the club from the NHL but that has supposedly been settled.

Another has been the opposition to the complicated lease agreement by some Glendale, AZ, citizens between Jamison and the City of Glendale. There have been legal challenges and petition drives and some of those have suffered setbacks. They may not be entirely gone and that is holding things up, but Bross said he hasn’t had very much in the way of communication from Jamison lately to get an update on things.

So it’s possible Doan will start looking at other teams more seriously sometime soon.

Now, when it comes to Doan signing with the Habs, they’d have to outbid at least 15 other clubs, so it’s far from a certainty he’d end up in Montreal.

There’s also the matter of the Canadiens’ depth at right wing. Montreal has Erik Cole, Brian Gionta and Rene Bourque on the depth chart.

If GM Marc Bergevin wants Doan, he’d have to move one of them — and all three have no trade clauses in their contracts, although Bourque’s is listed as a Modified No Trade Clause and, as Cap Geek notes on his profile, since he already has been traded, it’s possible that it no longer applies.

Theoretically speaking, however, while Bourque would be the one who could be technically easier to move, his tradeability may not be high, given his production relative to his salary, which is $4 million this coming season, and his cap hit, which is $3.33 million a year for the next three years.

Cole won’t be moved; that’s for certain.

And that leaves Gionta, the Canadiens captain who has had injury issues recently. Would the Canadiens entertain offers for Gionta if they could attract Doan? Tough to say, although there were rumblings in the New Jersey media that Gionta would be a good replacement for Zach Parise. Don’t know how seriously we should take them.

Well, it’s nothing more than conjecture right now. Doan hasn’t decided to leave the Coyotes yet and the Habs are among the pack of teams that would be fighting for him if he did. But it is something to talk about.

467 Comments

  1. solomio says:

    Heard on Sportsnet that Doan is on his way to Montreal for talks with the Habs.

    “I figure Bergevin has 3 or 4 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  2. jhab93 says:

    Would it be ruled out that Gionta would actually ask for a trade back to NJ if the fans want him to be captain, especially for Marty’s last couple of years?

    Thats the way the cookie crumbles

  3. frankcasting says:

    Meh, Doan ain’t sniffin’ Habs, it’s one thing to leave Arizona for NYC, it’s quite another to cross the border into Quebec. Anyway, what the Habs DON’T need is another old dude with a heavy contract clogging up the wings. I love ‘em, playoffs can be achieved, but the Cup is likely a couple of years away, let’s keep it young, mobile, fun, tough.

    As for Nash – yawwwwwwwwwn – Max P outscored him by 6 points in three less games last year, but somehow, Nash is seen as some kind of superstar, and Max is totally off the Toronto/NYC centric media. I think CBJ did as well as could be reasonably expected in the trade.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  4. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I yearn for the days when the Habs can make moves like that

  5. boing007 says:

    Pleased for Rick Nash that he will be playing on a contending team.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  6. neumann103 says:

    Dubinsky is much better than many are giving credit for, and I would be completely unsurprised to see him get 50 points and lead both the PP and the PK. But he is not the bargain youth player you really need to get back in order to make this deal work. I think it is telling that the salary changing hands is roughly equal.

    Howson’s options were severely limited but his attempt to throw Nash under the bus with the reveal about the player requesting the trade probably did not make it likely that Nash would budge on destination to help get a better deal done.

    So I am not in the “OMG, how could Howson make such a bad deal?” crowd because:
    1. It probably is not as bad as it appears
    2. He had few options and had burned some brideges with the player.
    3. I am too busy being astonished that Howson still has a job as an NHL GM.

    “Et le but!”

  7. naweed235 says:

    Galchenyuk signed for 3 yrs

  8. Bripro says:

    The Habs have signed Galchenyuk to a 3-year deal. No $ figures were given.

  9. showey47 says:

    habs sign galchenyuk to entry level contract. If it hasn’t been mentioned yet.

  10. Bripro says:

    “This team here, the New York Rangers, can beat anyone in this league. We are just looking forward to getting started.” – John Tortorella

  11. adamkennelly says:

    Time for MB to go after Umberger…maybe offer Weber and a 4th?

  12. 24 Cups says:

    Rangers still have cap space to sign Doan.

    SK74 gets two years, 6M.

    Versteeg gets 4.4M a year for four years which takes Florida out of the running for the cap floor.

    The best bet for dumping Gomez still appears to be Phoenix. They need help at centre and he takes them close to the cap floor in one simple move that costs them no assets.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      could you imagine that….the rangers adding Doan and Nash in the off season….Wow. They have lost some sand paper with Prust and Dubs not much as both those two additions are physical and can score. That is pretty crazy

      There goal scoring woes would gone

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      • 24 Cups says:

        LW – Nash/Hagelin/Kreider
        Centre – Richards/Stephan/Boyle
        RW – Gaborik/Doan/Callahan
        4th Line – Pyatt/Halpern/Rupp/Asham

        • Kooch7800 says:

          They would destroy the habs and most of the East.

          Bruins, Pens, Philly and the Rangers are the top of the East for a bit

          • 24 Cups says:

            After Carey Price our talent comparisons fall off the face of the earth compared to these top four teams.

            That’s why the new management team has to stay the course with rebuilding and banking cap space for the future. It’s also why fans (and Molson) have to be patient (again!).

  13. accp says:

    it’ll be a long time before the Habs get better. too much money tied up in average players. 20 years from now seems reasonable for the Habs to make it to the Stanley Cup Final. if you’re thinking sooner. Good Luck with that one.

  14. Bripro says:

    Cap hit:
    Dubinsky, Anisimov and Erixon: $7.825MM
    Nash: $7.8MM

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Seriously, how has he not been fired yet? It’d be like a chef who couldn’t cook and kept poisoning his customers but still had a job.

  15. Chris says:

    I don’t think the Nash trade was as bad as so many here portray it.

    Brandon Dubinsky can be a solid second line player. He demonstrated that he could net 20 goals and 45 points per season when he was the Rangers 1B centre in 2009-10 and 2010-11 before regressing last season while having his ice-time cut by four minutes per game, much of it coming in the form of lost PP time. Dubinsky is a solid two-way player that can play on both the power play and penalty kill and he’s decent on faceoffs.

    In Artem Anisimov, the Blue Jackets get a much coveted forward that the Rangers had previously been loathe to part with. Anisimov was the centrepiece in most trade discussions when the Rangers were looking to acquire an established veteran to help them in the playoff push. He’s got great size and speed, and is poised for a nice breakout with increased responsibilities in Columbus. He was forced over onto the wing this past season after playing the previous seasons at centre, and 20 goals and 40 points is not an unreasonable floor for him moving forwards. The question is whether he can push his ceiling up to being a 30 goal, 60 point player. At 23 years old, he is a guy that could see a Pacioretty-esque increase in his production this coming season, especially now that he will be given more opportunity to showcase his talent.

    Tim Erixon was a luxury that the Rangers could afford to part with as their defence corps is already deep and relatively young. At 21 years old, Erixon is a top defence prospect that the Blue Jackets desperately needed. He’s got the makings of a top-4 NHL defenceman with good size and a nice understanding for the game.

    Throw in the 1st round pick and you’ve got a pretty good haul for a player that severely limited the options that Scott Howson had to work with: the no-trade clause limited the potential trade partners to 3 or 4 teams, and some of those teams (Detroit, San Jose) were unwilling to part with their own young talent because of the rapid aging of their own rosters.

    People always tend to over-value the star players in the NHL. Nash was good for about 30-35 goals and 60-70 points per season in the NHL. He did not seem to make his linemates particularly better, and he clearly wanted out of Columbus.

    In Anisimov, Dubinsky and Erixon, the Blue Jackets get three players with size. Anisimov and Erixon should give them some much-needed talent, while Dubinsky gives them some grit. Together, they should combine for about 45 goals and 100 points per season, at the bare minimum. With that in mind, I would say that they did quite alright in this deal.

    For a team that struggled to ice a competitive roster last season, the Blue Jackets obtained three NHL-calibre players in exchange for the same cap hit as what they were paying one borderline star-calibre player last season. Nash in Columbus was a failure…their scouting failed to surround him with sufficient talent and they made some questionable signings. It isn’t like they were going anywhere with Nash, so why not roll the dice and try to make a roster that is tougher to play against top to bottom?

    • Bripro says:

      I’m with you. Especially, people are quoting stats on Dubinsky when he was injured or played injured for most of last year.
      But yes, he’s very good on the PK.
      However, if Nash plays like he played for Team Canada with Gaborik, look out! That will be one of the elite lines in the NHL.

      EDIT: Funny though. Howson had this deal offered too him prior to the draft and turned it down. I guess he thought he could get better.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I actually like Dubinsky, and Erixson and Dubinsky are nothing to scoff at, but at equal incoming salary as outgoing, they needed to get more of a sure thing.

      I would have expected (and preferred if it was my team) to get one or two big pieces rather than 4 mid range ones.

      I think the initial offers were probably better but Howsen’s asking price was ridiculous and consequently his stubbornness cost him.

  16. commandant says:

    Columbus has 3 first rounders (their own, NYR, LA), next season.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ben, how is it the Rangers still have $14 mil in cap space? Doesn’t Redden still count against cap?

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        Nope. He is still playing in the AHL. This will soon be happening to Scott Gomez if he doesn’t work out as well

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        • commandant says:

          All players on 1 way deals, regardless of where they played last season count against your cap during the summer.

          However you are allowed to go 10% over the cap in the summer.

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      • commandant says:

        He should count against the cap during the summer, and then be sent to the minors in training camp. You are correct on this.

        However the Rangers can go 10% over the cap now, as long as they are in compliance after training camp.

        So its 6 of 1, half dozen of the other…. they have the cap space if necessary.

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  17. cojohnso80 says:

    Wow,, the Jackets trade Rick Nash for Nathan Mckinnon,,,,good deal mr. Howson lol

  18. SmartDog says:

    Don’t let anyone tell you we’re not rebuilding after the disaster that was Gainey-Gautheir.

    Cammalleri gone.
    Gomez – wish he were gone.
    Gionta – could and should be traded to make room on the right wing for someone bigger and either younger, better, or more cost effective.

    Imagine what value Ryan McDonagh could have in trade right now. (Or on the team.)

    This team is not a contender, the parts just don’t add up. It MIGHT be a “good” team but it’s not a serious threat to go anywhere. It needs a year to assess what the new pieces (including coaching staff) are worth, and whether we CAN make the jump to being a contender the following year or year after when the Gainey contracts are all gone.
    For now, like they say in hockey – MB needs to just keep it simple. Dump more baggage, add only guys that are pretty sure to pull their weight, don’t screw up by trading away anything valuable.
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    • JUST ME says:

      Your analysis is right on the money. Bergevin said first day when he was hired that he would take a long hard look at this team. It means that he needs time as he does to see if the youngsters will evolve as predicted.
      Unfortunately for many that also means that the actual roster will be the one on the ice comes the new season. Maybe just maybe past the middle of the season will he then make a few moves to prepare towards the next seasons or towards the playoffs if the Habs are in the running. The time he takes will also make it so a few contracts are less a problem to get rid of.

      It also means that there will be no miracles or no cup in the close future . They will hope that they get less injuries and that underachievers achieve ! I think that this also means that nobody on the present roster is garanteed not to be traded. Of course a few are but when time comes ,if real changes are needed sometimes you need to give a lot to get what you want.

  19. mdp2011 says:

    Wow this trade is so bad for CBJ, that their official twitter account doesn’t even mention Rick Nash.

    NHL Blue Jackets ‏@BlueJacketsNHL
    #CBJ have acquired Fs Brandon Dubinsky & Artem Anisimov, D Tim Erixon & a 2013 first-round pick from the #NYR. More details to follow.

  20. ont fan says:

    Sather and Holmgren. Trades and free agents all going their way and the gap gets wider. Yet they can’t win a cup. Interesting.

  21. naweed235 says:

    Trade to Ducks: Gionta, (1 of Kaberle, Weber or Diaz), 1st round pick for Bobby Ryan. Then pay Doan 5.5 for 5 years and instantly we are a cup favorite. One can only dream. I salivate by thinking about Ryan and Max pac on the same line… these guys dominated in the world championships together.

    Ryan – DD – Max pac
    Cole – Pleks – Doan
    Moen – Eller – Bourque
    Prust – White – Armstrong

    PK – Gorges
    Markov – Emelin
    Bouillon – Diaz or Kabs

    • commandant says:

      Why do the Ducks accept your proposal?

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    • I wouldn’t trade our 1st round pick just yet. Don’t want to pull a Seguin/Hamilton, do ya?

      • naweed235 says:

        to be quite honest with you, I truly believe that B. Ryan will be better than any potential 1st overall for atleast the next 5 years or so… I am not saying he is underrated but the way he shoots, puck handles and drives the net is truly impressive and right up there with the OVs of the league

        • The Good Hab-bit says:

          I think you are spot on! The point here is that a team need something valid and tangible. If and thats a big “if” the prospects comes out years after, then imagine how many “points” hé is behind. At that point the old guy may not be worth much, which is why you then deal for another proven scorer. Now the new proven scorer does not score as much as mr prospect so after 5 years he is 50-60 points behind mr prospect. That is just fine cause our first proven scorer outre mr prospect by 150 points during his 5 years (mr prospect partly in Hamilton etc). Over 10 years the tao proven scorers scores more than mr prospect. The point here is that you score most “player points” by dealing often and quick – just like the case is with stock trading.

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      Trade them our 2nd rounder and tell them its as good as a late 1st rnd pick.

      “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  22. commandant says:

    Instant Analysis from four of our writers.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/23/breaking-nash-traded-to-rangers/

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  23. Cal says:

    So, Nash is worth 2 3rd liners and a young Dman and a prospect.
    I look and see a hosed Howson when I compare his wish list to the reality.

    • mark-ID says:

      Man…we should so be offering Anaheim two players only adding up to 26 goals….a prospect and our first for B.Ryan. I guess that’s the going rate.

      ugh….i wish it was that easy in Montreal

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • CanadienBoy says:

      36 years old player with 2 years left max not that bad

    • boonie says:

      Gotta believe no one on Nash’s approved list offered more. Howson may be an awful GM, but he’s not a complete idiot. Other than the rumored detroit offer, the teams who could trade for Nash held back their best assets and howson picked the package he liked best after months of begging for a top prospect.

      The presumption is Nash is a star that can produce with great players on a winning team. The stats say he topped 70 points once, 40 goals once and represented a terrible franchise largely devoid of any other name players at the NHL’s annual no-hit-fest.

      Live in NY and see more Ranger games than I’d like. Dubinsky is a hard worker and a great team guy – for a tram that won as a TEAM. Edison showed some promise and Columbus could pair him with johnson and try to make him a mini Wiz. AA as some offensive upside.

      CBJ lost an impossible situation -trading its disgruntled star to one of a short list of teams – they picked up character and youth. It’s time for them to move on.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Remember Nash probably only wanted to go to NYR and one or two other teams.

      That prevented a bidding war.


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  24. HardHabits says:

    So it’s Nash to New York Rangers. Does anybody in their right mind think the Habs as currently constituted have any chance whatsoever of getting by any combination of the Rangers, Bruins, Flyers and Penguins in their quest for a 25th Stanley Cup?

    Not on your f*ckin’ life!!!! The Habs are a team that is rebuilding and that is all.

    Maybe. Just maybe they make the play-offs but maybe just maybe hell freezes over too. Considering that those four teams I mentioned up above are shoo-ins to make the play-offs and that there is the guaranteed South East division berth, that leaves the Habs slugging it out with 10 other teams for 3 spots.

    The Habs are far away. Very far away from contending. Even for a play-off spot let alone the Cup. Maybe the Habs should return to the days of just trying to make the play-offs. I don’t think Habs fans have the intestinal fortitude to go through the process of what it takes to actually put together a contender.

    EDIT: Looks like Columbus is aiming for another lottery pick, unlike the Habs who will be picking between 6th and 10th in 2103.

  25. Five_hole says:

    Does this trade now reduce the asking price for Ryan?

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  26. sreuel says:

    How come all the teams that are a playoff team every year can get the top players. Nash traded to the Rangers. Why can’t the habs make a big trade or a good top player signing. After Suban is signed we should have at least 4 million left to play with ????

    • HardHabits says:

      Because the Habs are not a play-off team.

    • JF says:

      Teams that make the playoffs every year are good teams and have the organizational depth to make big trades. Nash will cost the Rangers two roster players, a prospect, and a first-round pick. The Habs are not in a position to make those kinds of deals.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Well, see, that’s the sad part about this deal. The Habs could have offered the equivalent to that deal… almost any team could have. The players going the other way are not significant parts of NYR’s roster even though the media, NYR fans and management hype all of them up. But at the end of the day, have the Rangers lost anything significant? Not at all. Even their 1st round pick should be low.

      • mark-ID says:

        Montreal absolutely could have matched a deal like this.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      With Gainey and PG being GM for Habs the last couple of years. They just continued trading bits of our farm and it finally got to us that we don’t have depth last season. All we had were bottom 6 depth and unproven prospects trade value are usually pretty low. Making the playoffs can increase players trade value. Just look at Halak :P

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  27. Mattyleg says:

    I wonder how much Nash had to say about this.

    As in: “I want to go to New York. Downtown, not Queens. Get it done.”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. Ian Cobb says:

    One of my best investments–My diving and swimming pool this year is wonderful. Soaking in it most of the day.

    Later! I am going off the board.

  29. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Nash might as well be Gomez in that deal with Gomez 60pt season yet somehow Higs+Val+McD for Gomez+Pyatt seems like a better deal at the time. :P I know forget someone else but Gomez is the main subject in that trade.

    I know it’s terrible to say Nash= >Gomez but Nash did have 60pt season for someone getting paid close to 8m

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Getting 60 points on the Blue Jackets is a 100 point season anywhere else :)

      • SnowManHabs85 says:

        How about 11pts in MTL is 60 pt season anywhere else? :P

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  30. jedimyrmidon says:

    The reason NYR was able to ship off 3rd liners + what will be a low first round pick for Nash is that all year they’ve been glorifying all their players and prospects. I mean, everyone’s gotta love Stepan, Anisimov, Dubinsky and Hagelin – just don’t ask them for Del Zotto, Staal, Callahan and McDonagh though cause those guys are just off the charts good and Nash wouldn’t be worth even one of them *sarcasm*.

  31. Habilis says:

    My .02:

    After having digested this trade, done a little research on the players involved and reading some of the media tweets (Marinaro is lambasting Howson), I’m absolutely shocked that Howson made this deal. This is what he held out for since february? Don’t get me wrong, the players that Columbus is getting are solid, but I wouldn’t call this a winning trade for the Jackets. If they had pried one of Mcdonagh, Stall, Kreider, Callahan or Stepan then maybe. But the way it looks to me now I have to say it’s either an even trade or favoring the Rangers.

    It’s not an awful trade, but when you hang on to a player who wants out for as long as Howson did, you need to come away the winner imo. Just one more reason why Howson needs to be let go if Columbus ever wants to compete.

    • Cal says:

      Columbus may have won this trade if Dubinsky is given the ice time he needs along with Anisimov.
      Erixon is the question mark along with the pick.

  32. HabFanSince72 says:

    Quiz of the day.

    Who gave Columbus GM Scott Howson his first ever job in the NHL, asst GM of the Cape Breton Oilers?

    There’s a hint there.


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  33. otter649 says:

    Nash is a big body that will help him when it comes to
    blocking shots for The Rangers…….lol

  34. mark-ID says:

    Ok guys…so what could have been the equivilent to this trade for the Habs? Obviously we weren’t on Nash’s short list….but I think we could have given up :

    Plekanec + Bourque + Beaulieu and a first.

    Pleks is better then any of the Rangers players that they are giving up. Bourque has shown he can score more then any of them. Our first rounder will most likely be a higher pick then the Rags.

    Tell me that doesn’t match the Rangers offer. Not that I would want to do the trade, just saying.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  35. Columbus got hosed in that deal big time wow – they will forever be a crap team. Howson joins Gainey as Sather’s b****.


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