The Kings of the NHL

The 2013-14 NHL season, which started way back on October 1 when the Toronto Maple Leafs beat the Canadiens 4-3 at the Bell Centre, came to an end when Alec Martinez scored at 14:43 of double-overtime after midnight on Saturday, June 14, to give the Los Angeles Kings a 3-2 win over the New York Rangers in Game 5 of the Stanley Cup final.

The Kings won the best-of-seven series 4-1, winning the Cup for the second time in three years. Kings forward Justin Williams was awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy as the playoff MVP after posting 9-16-25 totals in 26 postseason games to go along with a plus-13..

The Kings played 108 games to win the Cup, including 82 in the regular season and 26 in the postseason. The 26 playoff games in a single year played by the Kings tied an NHL record set by Philadelphia in 1987 and matched by Calgary in 2004.

The Kings were built for the long haul, with only one player on their active playoff roster under 6-foot tall. The Kings’ smallest player is forward Mike Richards, who is 5-foot-11 and 196 pounds. You can see the Kings’ roster by clicking here.

There were a record 93 playoff games overall this season, breaking the previous NHL mark of 92 set in 1991.

Next up on the NHL schedule is the draft, slated for June 27-28 in Philadelphia.

(Photo by Jae C. Hong/The Associated Press)

Kings win Cup on Martinez’s goal in double OT, NHL.com

Martinez delivers Kings the Cup, by Cam Cole of Postmedia News

Williams King of the post-season, montrealgazette.com

Montreal from A-Z: H is for Habs fans, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

HI/O Summit Facebook page

Brodeur says Canadiens ‘not on my radar’, NHL.com

241 Comments

  1. Maritime Ronn says:

    Then, some curious suggestions such as Leblanc ” Dominated the Junior” which is nowhere close to reality.
    Leblanc had a ‘nice’ 2010-11 season with the Montreal Juniors, yet was far from “Dominating.”

  2. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good morning

    Reading some of the comments and outrage, it would appear that this was a blown Top 5 pick…..This is Louis LeBlanc – a 19th overall pick, not some top Junior #1-5 overall pick.

  3. Maritime Ronn says:

    #3 Huberdeau GP:67 G:43 A:62 Pts:105
    #4 Palat GP:61 G39 A57 Pts:96
    #5 Couturier GP:58 G:36 A:60 Pts:96
    #33 Bournival GP: 56 G:28 A:36 Pts:64

  4. Maritime Ronn says:

    …….

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    What did happen to René Bourque and Lars Eller in these playoffs? They displayed their skills and abilities, their tools, in a manner much closer to the potential we envisioned for both of these gentlemen. We can theorize that it’s simply a case of greater maturity for Lars, and greater confidence for both that carried them to better results, but even if that’s so, what caused the ‘click’?

    Did playing with Brian Gionta help both of these young men? Does his quiet leadership and incessant effort inspire René to put out more of an effort, to go from 95% to 98%? Does it remove the mantle of responsibility from Lars, who instead of over-thinking everything, of feeling the pressure to produce points and manufacture offence, or think of defence when he’s carrying the puck? Could he now just react, just play hockey, and this allowed his speed and talent to shine through?

    One big factor I’ve wondered about is whether the fog of concussion lifted for them, simultaneously. René got cold-cocked in February 2013 on an NHL-approved hockey play by Colton Orr, after the latter had almost blown out Tomas Plekanec’s knee, on another NHL-approved hockey play. That Colton Orr, what a warrior, what a solid ‘team guy’, that was worth three Don Cherry open-mouth kisses. It’s a head-scratcher why the Leafs don’t win more with players like this on their roster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-I0dFW9FTo

    René got diagnosed with a concussion belatedly and then sat out the last quarter of the season, and it’s open to question whether he finally got all his ducks in a row, was back mentally, and had his confidence back as these playoffs started.

    And Lars, he got destroyed by the Erik Gryba hit to the head in the last playoffs. Was his up and down season the side-effects of a player also coming back from a major brain injury? A player whose timing and decision-making is off? Did it take him the whole season to get back in the groove?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNOwP3fUW6c

    It’s a little optimistic to believe that both players have now put all their issues behind them, and will now continue to play at that level for the rest of their careers. We’ll see both have ups and downs, but the promising aspect of their showing in the playoffs is that it showed that René is not ‘finished’, he’s not a player who doesn’t care and won’t put out. He needs to be in the right frame of mind and surrounded by the right players, but when he is he’s a handful for other teams. And Lars, who has developed in fits and starts, displaying great talent in streaks but then frustrating spells where his production dries up and he makes baffling decisions with the puck, can hopefully start his summer training program with a better frame of mind and a clearer idea of what kind of player he can become.

    And as much as my fan-GM impulse is to clear the roster of Brian Gionta to allow the team to get younger and bigger, the effect he had when placed on a line with both these guys gives me pause, and forces me to allow that maybe Marc Bergevin knows what he’s doing. He’s stated that he wants us to be tougher to play against, yet he wants to retain the Captain, despite his small stature and waning production.

    That is paradoxical. How can I reconcile these two conflicting indications? Maybe he has more information than I can obtain from my couch. Maybe there are more factors at play than a strict transaction, that it’s not a mere ‘subtract small guy, add bigger guy’. Maybe it’s not as simple as adding cubic inches. Maybe the mix of the team, the veteranship, the experience, all of that will benefit by retaining the Captain for a couple more seasons.

    Is it crazy to think that? Or is it more crazier that Marc Bergevin hasn’t observed that Brian is small and old and therefore worthless? Because if he’d looked at hockeydb.com or watched a game like I do, he’d have noticed that, right? It’s self-evident to this armchair GM, but maybe I’ll trust the pros to handle this, the guys who saw a little more value in Dale Weise than I did from my couch.

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    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habfan17 says:

      In short, I think it has more to do with the Chat Bourque had with Mellanby and the chemistry with his line mates than it has to do with Gionta! Perhaps Gallagher was also an influence. watching him battle Chara should motivate and maybe embarrass a little too!

      Habfan17

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Confidence is a tricky thing, maybe there was a connection made with Scott Mellanby, and he was able to ‘reach’ him. Your theories are as good as mine.

    • rhino514 says:

      Wether he sacrificed his offence in the playoffs for Rene and Lars sure is an interesting theory…BUT…Eller played a pretty darn good season and playoffs the year before, with a string of linemates. So maybe Gio had some kind of influence, but Lars doesn´t need Gio going forward. Bourque? Who knows? I think he´s a better playoff type player than regular season guy, though.
      The thing is, who else is out there? If we don´t get Callahan or Vrbata (or re-sign Vanek) all of which are probable, everone else out there is as much a gamble as the captain or more, and none have Gio´s work ethic.
      Also,from within, the guy who looks most promising to take his spot is not any bigger than Gio; that would be Andrighetto.
      So unless we get lucky with one of the few good FAs out there, I think our best option just may be to hope Gio has one more quasi-twenty goal season left in him, and maybe, just maybe, part of his dip in production was related to being placed alongside Plekanec, and put in a strict shutdwon role.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m not going as far as to say Brian sacrificed his offence for his linemates, that he played more defence so they could concentrate on offence, that wasn’t my meaning. More that his veteran steady hand may have had a calming effect on these two, and allowed them to play hockey with more confidence.

        I agree with you and maybe Marc Bergevin that after considering our options, keeping Brian might make sense for another season or two. My knee-jerk reaction is to cut him loose and look for a Brenden Morrow-type veteran UFA, but they don’t pay me to make these decisions. Shockingly.

  6. jrshabs1 says:

    Can’t win a Cup without A MOAR BIGGAR team. Do the Habs need a Brian Gionta at any price to play any role? I’ll go out on a limb and say nope. Gallagher and DD fill out the quota of undersized forwards just fine, no room for Brian. Gionta played well as a Hab, but, I for one won’t be crying for Brian’s swan song. The Habs must move on to BIGGAR and better things.

    Go Habs Go!!!!!

    • Habfan17 says:

      No, I think it is safe to let him go now. Maybe not last season, but at this point, there is enough leadership to keep the ship pointing in the right direction. Bergevin has made sure of that. The core is a year older and “battle” tested. Time to let the kids shine and show faith in them. The added faith and responsibility will pay huge dividends in my opinion!

      Habfan17

  7. DipsyDoodler says:

    Dear HIO size queens.

    We beat the physical Bruins.

    We lost to the speedy Rangers.

    Now back to your fantasy trades.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • HardHabits says:

      The Habs, not “we”, because we is we here at HIO, lost because they could not make it all the way. They would have been demolished by the Kings and would have not had the horses to beat the Hawks either had they had enough in the tank to make it past the Rags.

      The fact is size does matter. Just as much as speed, skill and grit. The Kings have it all. And the Habs have much more work to do, in getting bigger, faster, more skilled and grittier in order to win the Cup.

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah, there remains work to be done, and the Kings probably would have rolled over us too. But the Hawks would have been a better match-up and the Habs could have beaten that team. The Kings are good because they match up against any team, while the Habs and other teams have to avail themselves of good match ups, etc.

        Bottom line is that the Habs are getting there. I don’t think there is as much work as you think!

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • HardHabits says:

          The Habs maybe beat the Hawks if they meet them in the 2nd round but not in the 4th. The Habs were already folding during the Rangers series.

          It’s not a sprint to the Cup but a marathon. The Habs are still missing the long distance runners to go all the way.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Or maybe we got bounced around so much in the Bruins Series, there was nothing left in the tank for The Rags?

  8. AH says:

    Just read LL is gone for a 5th rounder, so does this qualify as another 1st round bust for the Habs?

  9. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Aww so no more Louis Louis chants??…

  10. Thurston says:

    Louis Leblanc era over in Montreal – traded to Anaheim for conditional 5th rounder in 2015.

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722671

  11. ooder says:

    Leblanc traded to the ducks

  12. habcertain says:

    With all the constant comparison of Doughty and PK, and criticism of PK when he turns over the puck, Drew had his fair share of then in the Cup game. Couldn’t help but notice.

  13. habs001 says:

    With the 3-0 Greek beatdown today 18 goals scored so far at the world cup in 5 games….Big game at 6pm..the divers vs the underachievers…

  14. CH Marshall says:

    Gotta say I’m enjoy Andi Petrillo covering the World Cup

  15. SmartDog says:

    Watching the game last night, I kept thinking: this is why we NEED Eller and Bourque – and why they were so good in the playoffs. Size and grit win.

    These big guys really can come alive and just plain wear down other teams in the post-season. You NEED guys like that to win. I think Bergie realizes this. This is also why I think Gionta will NOT be resigned, despite the praise he has received. I’m looking forward to a bigger, tougher Habs team next season.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      SD

      Unless GMMB can swing a trade/sign a RW UFA, the Habs have almost no NHL depth at that position.

      The RW depth chart without Gionta looks like this:
      Gallagher
      Weise
      Andrighetto-Leblanc-Thomas-Holland-McCarron-Fournier

    • MTLF says:

      you can’t expect to win a cup with a team having 1/4 of it’s forwards under 6’0 and under 200lbs in todays NHL if Bergevin can’t see that we’ll never raise a Stanley cup in Montreal again.
      yes we made it in the playoffs and yes we did very well with small players but, don’t let that fool you. the Habs got by TB mainly because of Goaltending.
      They got by Boston because Boston spent half the series in the penalty box, figured they would win by being tough and dirty and it backfired.
      They couldn’t get by the Rangers because they loss Price which made our Goaltending a little weaker although the Kid played good and the Rangers were a little better defensively and scored enough goals to get by.
      with Price they may have had a chance at the cup, but that’s just a maybe and we’ll never know…

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        I agree. I think a healthy CP31 wins that series….but we’ll never know. Also hoping a GM can both praise a former captain and even suggest he wants to resign him and still make a “third line money” offer for him. When Gionta rejects that and moves on then erbody’s happy right? Maybe the only way to do that…Bergie knows how it’s done…fingers crossed…

        24 cups and counting….

        • HardHabits says:

          There is no guarantee that the Habs would have won with Price. The Habs were dominated in most of the series against the Rags. No. More work is needed with the forwards and defence to bring the Habs to the next level. They’re one of the best second tier teams at the moment but not elite or Cup worthy yet.

  16. John Q Public says:

    Conundrums
    We were a top 4 team but we are not elite.
    We have an elite goaltender but the team is too small.
    The aged ones are falling apart but they will resign them.
    When they play a physical game they get beat up and consequently have no energy left.
    The farm is empty but we shouldn’t sign UFA’s.
    The coach is doing crazy things but will likely be extended.
    We shouldn’t trade Plex but Chucky needs to be a center.
    Eller is a physical force but is given the crappy wingers.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………….

    Should be an interesting offseason or not.

    • SmartDog says:

      I think Eller proved he’s worth more than people (Therrien included) have thought. And I think we’ll not resign too many veterans… Markov maybe but even that I think may not happen. It would kill our cap space. And there’s no way we keep Plekanec, Chucky, DD and Eller. And no way we trade Chucky or DD. Eller showed he’s a playoff player… Unless we get a LOT back for Eller, it’s gotta be Pleks who goes. Gotta be.

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      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • John Q Public says:

        I think what you woof is true but it seems otherwise.
        Plex just won’t bring us to the promised land.
        He turtles more than his shirt so yah get rid of him but I said that last year and nothing.
        As for cap space that’s a problem I as an irrational fan don’t think about. No reason for that stupidity. As soon as you are able to field a team of very talented players you will be forced to disassemble it.

      • JF says:

        I agree that Plekanec will be the one to be traded, but I doubt it will be this off-season. He’s still too valuable defensively; I can’t see any of our other centres filling his role.

  17. Strummer says:

    I can’t wait till Gionta signs his new contract.
    Bergevin will ask him to stand up and say a few words and Gionta will reply “I am standing”

    ____________________________________________________
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  18. Maritime Ronn says:

    montreal ace says:
    “…I see only one strategy, that will turn the Habs into the power house team that they should be. This club has to identify, target, and sign RFA’s…..”
    ———————
    Ace
    The process is more complex than that.

    First, a team just doesn’t sign an RFA.
    It presents an Offer Sheet to an RFA that he can either accept or Decline to sign – the player’s choice, not the team’s choice.
    Not all RFAs – like UFAs, would want to play in Montreal…

    Secondly, the player’s original team can always match the Offer Sheet and nothing gets accomplished except raising the Salary Structure and creating enemies…because each team will eventually have their own RFAs to deal with.

    Next year, the Habs RFAs are Galchunyuk-Gallagher-Bournival-Tinordi-Beaulieu and some others such as Nygren.
    If GMMB plays the hostile RFA Offer Sheet game, he can expect the same in return.

    Lastly, there is the question of compensation depending on the contract offered.
    The 4 largest categories:(and the team making the offer must have their own original draft picks and not some other they acquired via a trade)

    + $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 – 1st round pick, 3rd
    + $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 – 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
    + $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
    + $8,410,976 – Four 1st Round Picks

    • montreal ace says:

      MR, my thinking is that if a team goes the route of going after RFA’s, they do not leave themselves open to attacks from other teams. All the players you mention, that are on the roster at the moment would be offered new contracts with nice raises this year. I consider them to be core players. The offer sheets I would present to RFA’s from other teams would be 3.3 to 6.7 range. The bottom line concerning going after young stars from other teams is that we would win more times then lose.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Ace – maybe if the name is Desharnais, you get an early mid season contract (he was a pending RFA), yet if the name is Subban-Eller, that’s not the case.
        It would be a huge surprise if those 5 Habs pending RFAs mentioned above sign before next summer.

        Over and above that, no team will let its pending RFA stars just walk away and not match the Offer.

        Since the 2005 CBA, only 8 Offer Sheets have been signed and 7 have been matched.

  19. homerbowen says:

    Yes, we need to get bigger to compete for the Cup. The future is not DD, Briere, Boullion and the likes. Get big or get lost. Normally I would hope for 7 games but I was getting sick of Glenn Healy’s comments which were mostly cheerleading for his former Rangers team (where he warmed the bench) similar to the BS we llsten to all season where he felates his Laffs (another bench warming team). He is a bag blowing, skirt wearing, hagis eating heathen and hopefully Sportsnet won’t get sucked in to have him continue next season.

  20. CJ says:

    Hi Prohabs. Just back from watching my buddy’s little guy play a game of box lacrosse. Please see my response re Timmons below.

    Cheers, CJ

  21. montreal ace says:

    I see only one strategy, that will turn the Habs into the power house team that they should be. This club has to identify, target, and sign RFA’s. The Montreal Canadiens have money, its about time they use it for the fans that support them. How can a team that drafts in the middle rounds ever get better. I am tired of old UFA’s that are past their prime, and signing retirement contracts.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Reads like a valid strategy. But you do realise, right, that it’s pretty much the exact opposite of the strategy being followed by MB?

      The Briere signing vindicates your position on retirement contracts all right. But Weise?

      • montreal ace says:

        Mike, I liked the trade for Weise as soon as we got him, he was down on Vancouvers depth chart, and Torts did not like him. These trades will help improve the team, but they will never put us over the top, as we can not make enough of them. I look at the list of UFA’s and I don’t see many guys on it that I want. I see the signing of RFA’s as taking the gloves off and saying we will do anything to win, including going after other teams best players.

    • Ton says:

      rumours are they pursuing milan michalek from ottawa to replace vanek.

    • Strummer says:

      How many RFA’s actually end up with the teams that present them an offer sheet?
      One per decade, if that.
      Not a winning strategy. If the player is any good the team will always match (for example Shea Weber)

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Since 2005 and that new CBA, 8 Offer Sheets were signed.
        7 were matched, and only Dustin Penner moved from Anaheim to Edmonton way back in 2007

      • montreal ace says:

        Strummer even if a team matches, an offer sheet would put pressure on a clubs salary structure, so maybe another player becomes available. My thinking is also that the threat of an offer sheet could help force a trade, involving a player that is wanted.

  22. Ton says:

    Woh lots of posts comparing habs to kings…………..Sutter said it yesterday anyone that makes the playoffs can win the cup………there a big team but they did not win the is cup very easily……..rangers did not get the breaks and those overtime games could have gone either way! To win the cup you need to make the playoffs, get the breaks, and be a good resilient team. Habs are getting there but a long ways to go. I’m glad MB acknowledged this.

    • B says:

      Good point. LA came close to being eliminated in the first round. I wonder how many pundits would be fawning all over them like they are now had that happened?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  23. MTLF says:

    6 of the Habs forwards are under 6’0 that’s something for Bergevin to address for the upcoming 2014-2015 Roster if he wants a chance at winning a cup. if you don’t think size matters, along with skill it sure helped the kings win.

    • B says:

      Big players are easy enough to find. Big players who are effective are much more difficult to come by. Replacing several smaller players with effective big players is a difficult transition that does not happen over night. There are only so many to go around and every team wants them.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  24. L Elle says:

    The McDonough “trade” would not have been bad at all, if the return had been, say someone, who had turned into a Pacioretty, for example. The only problem with that was Gomez. I know, obvious statement.

    The Gomez years were some of the darkest in Habs’ history. Forget the salary, but the ice time given to a major piece of deadwood, ultimately, getting everyone fired. One of MB’s first and best moves was getting rid of him. I don’t care if he was a nice guy.

    Watching LA reinforced those latent feelings of despair.

    Does Justin Williams have more skill or talent than some of our best forwards? I don’t think so. But, the never quit personalities on the Kings is something we sorely missed after Price went down.

    Let the kids play, and please don’t throw big money on aging vets.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good points.

      There is also a collective aspect to the never-quit attitude you mention. Great if you can assemble an entire team of never-quit personalities. But isn’t it also the case that once a never-quit attitude starts to pervade a team’s modus operandi, that element of every player’s personality begins to come to the fore?

      On the Habs, Gallagher has it, brings it every single, so does PK. A few more playing that way, coupled with a bit of success and momentum, and soon more and more players are leaving it all on the ice every game.

      • L Elle says:

        Absolutely. Agree, it is highly contagious. Our Habs needed their “old” guys to catch some of that.

        I loved Weaver’s comments on nhl.com on how PK made him remember the joy of playing again. (looked for the article, to no avail)

    • Frozen Village says:

      +25

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

    • habs_54321 says:

      or at least if gomez was able too staple down the #1 center position and produce for the 5 years we had him it wouldn’t have been so bad.

  25. C-Sword says:

    Don’t be fooled, the Habs are nowhere near the same level as the Kings. The only clutch players we have are Price and Subban, the Kings have way more players that can step up their game while playing under pressure. Aside from a few moments, we were dominated by the Bruins, they hit so many posts and missed a lot of wide open nets, there were some games that we didn’t even deserve to win, we just happened to have the favorable bounces. Not to mention that great teams overcome adversity such as make-up calls, bad bounces and INJURIES.

    Would the Kings had won the cup if Quick was injured? Probably not, but I can guarantee you that they would had fought until the end and not look half dead like the Habs did in game 6 against the Rangers.

    • Frozen Village says:

      Truth.

      In fact, of our 2014 roster, doing what they do to a championship level.
      Subban, Price, Eller as a 4th, Gallagher as an energy 3rd, if he commits as much energy in the d zone, as he does moving forward.

      Work.

      Lots of it, to say that Weise, Pacs, Emelin, Alex are close is fair, to round-up there games.

      Trust.

      In players that have characteristics, that round-out the core. Tinordi, Beaulieu potentially Gregoire, De la Rose.

      Skill (draft)

      Need to draft it this year with first 5 picks.

      Scout (grit)

      Nevins, Crisp, McCarron, Fournier, Courtnall, ______, _______ need 3 of these guys/types to challenge for jobs soon speed and smarts required to be developed.

      We have over-achieved and that is great. I feel too much is credited to Therrien’s leadership. What is under-estimated is the chemistry forced a bit by the GM 18 months ago with the Gally’s, the grit added (albeit) expensive, playing for the crest…

      Bergy, put the spirit back into this club, CP embodied this spirit this year.

      We have made progress, my fear is that the shelf-life of MT is expiring. I hope I am wrong, but his method and messaging would tire me, and I was a team first little less vocal Georges, we can apply that here I believe what motivates us most right.. Next step to sustain the momentum spiritually, is an evolution of the play of this regime communicated intelligently.

      Really hope GG stays another year.

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

  26. MTLF says:

    Habs are what they are, all we can do as fans hope Bergevin can improve the team every year and eventually we’ll make it to the big dance. Icing a team the calibre of LA won’t be easy, looking at what we have right now with the exception of a few, we are a long ways away before we see our captain hoist the Stanley Cup and a lot of people are having a hard time believing that not easy anymore, talent is too spread out and the wait through junior and the AHL takes too long, sometimes players drafted don’t make it all you can do is hang in there and hope…

  27. habsfan0 says:

    So,when will Youppi! make an appearance on Jimmy Fallon’s Tonight Show wearing an LA Kings sweater?

  28. JUST ME says:

    The King`s victory in that serie was never in doubt, an easy one , as much as we could predict that the western conference would celebrate a Stanley cup parade.
    The Rangers made it look close but it actually was not really.
    Not sure that the Kings were full throttle 100% of the time.
    Just do not believe the can afford that team moneywise cause they have so many valuable players , at least in my eyes. But then again, the Kings are far from being perfect and leave the door open, not that much, but still for a well balanced opponent to give a good fight.

    Clearly the Habs are not quite up to par ! I do not doubt though that Bergevin knows what it takes to at least creep up to their level of play. Sometimes we think that a big piece of the puzzle is missing but Bergevin showed us a few times that minor changes can do the difference.

    Globally was a very enjoyable playoff season and not only because of the Habs run although it helps, but it caught our attention `till the end wich is more than i can say for past seasons.

  29. SPATS says:

    Could they get their dynasty? I say yes, very easily.

    Tinseltown is in love with their Kings and their Kings are enjoying their turn in the Hollywood spotlight. Cap is not an issue in this market.

    With no NFL in town, the big bad Kings can have their pick of the endorsement deals and acting side gigs that would otherwise have gone to the gridiron group, enabling them to earn more off cap dollars to make up for any pay cut they’d take to keep their group together.

    Winning is fun. Doing it by the beaches even more so. This is the perfect storm for these guys.

    MVP is Sutter, anybody know how long he’s locked up for?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      It has to be very good for “growing the game” to have Hollywood celebs watching. Perhaps the league, knowing this, makes it easy for such VIPs to get tickets. But I’d like to believe that many of them are people who have actually come to love the game, and that’s why they go.

      Since we idolise celebrities to such an extreme extent, and model our lives on their every pronouncement and move, this has to be a good thing.

      • SPATS says:

        Yeah DM, Narcissistic Personality Disorder has taken root and the celebrity way has many under hypnosis.
        I have experienced the delusional celebrity chasing masses from very close proximity myself as a hired gun for Quebecois hearthrob Francis Martin (Imaging an early 90’s French Justin Bieber) the poor guy couldn’t enjoy a big mac or a round of golf without autograph hounds ruining our day. He took it very well, but that was my wakeup call that I wasn’t interested in fame (fortune interested me but I digress…)

        Look for some of the Kings to get cameos on sitcoms. Imagine Sutter as some poor kid on Modern Family’s step dad… haha

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s the Laker formula, to create an event by having stars attend the games. It’s not quite as much an impact to have them behind glass, further from the cameras, but what can you do.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Spats! We have sold out our hockey souls to the Yanks, they now own the NHL!
      Canadian dollar down 10% below the American giant and our heavier tax burden will make it near impossible to compete with the largest economy in the world.
      Canadians keep pouring their bucks into this game that at one time was ours!
      Tough sledding for our franchises here .

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Hiya Spats. Just wanted to drop in quick and say hi. I think the Kings are the closest thing to a dynasty we will see again. Cheers.

  30. Ian Cobb says:

    I have never seen a team like the Rangers before!
    They tried to give each game away throughout the whole series. The number of give away’s to L.A. was absolutely incredible. About 1 every 45sec. They tired out L.A.s players shooting arm’s, so badly, that all they could do was hit the post’s with that many give away’s. Finally they put the Rangers out of their misery!

  31. AH says:

    “The Kings smallest player is Mike Richards at 5’11” , 196 pounds”.

    They’re “built for the long haul”.

    Meh….we’re building for the long haul too.

    “Here’s a pen Brian, just sign right here”.

  32. smiler2729 says:

    The L.A. Kings are awesome and they deserved to win the Cup but I’d rather talk about the N.Y. Rangers deserving to lose.

    F them.

    They angered the hockey gods by running Carey Price and winning that series the cheap way rather than competing (maybe they’d have beaten a Price backed Habs team, we’ll never know). F Kreider.

    F Marty St. Louis, who whined his way onto Team Canada and out of Tampa Bay.

    F KING Henrik, guess what Lundqvist, L.A. ARE THE KINGS.

    F Stepan, Nash, Richards, Poo and Marc Staal (HA! NY got the crappy one).

    F Pierre Gauthier for talking Gainey into including McDonagh in the Gomez trade.

    F Dorsett, Brassard, John Moore, Scott Arniel and all the other CBJ babies.

    I feel bad for Vigneault and Dom Moore, the only two Rangers I can muster any respect for.

    F THE RANGERS. THANK YOU HOCKEY GODS.

    _______________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.
    The “CH” in CHOKE stands for Toronto Maple Leafs.

  33. FormalWare says:

    I note a number of comments on how seeing Kings’ players hoist the Cup overhead, with that combination of jubilance and humility that is the hallmark of having just won the most daunting tournament in sports, makes us emotional, in spite of ourselves.

    My answer to the current poll is “Don’t care” – yet I did feel a profound empathy with each and every King, last night. I believe (as I’m sure all of you do) that a team is more than the sum of its parts, and that no player’s contribution is negligible. Robyn Regehr, Craig Berube, others who saw little or no playoff action – each did his part on the epic journey from October to June.

    Because it’s the Cup.


    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

    • smiler2729 says:

      Craig Berube?

      _______________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam.
      Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.
      The “CH” in CHOKE stands for Toronto Maple Leafs.

      • FormalWare says:

        Hee, hee! How silly of me! Forgive the brain cramp. Can’t remember the name of the tough guy-type who hadn’t seen playoff ice (as far as I can recall) who got his turn with the Cup, last night.

        Anyway: Everyone contributed. (Except Craig Berube! God, I’m old…)

        WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  34. durocher says:

    A couple things about the Kings, aside from their size, that I hope we will emulate: 1) I was amazed at how every attentive each King was to the puck-carrier — each King seemed to ready to take a pass, with his stick on the ice, which gives the players options and allows for great transitions, and 2) I rarely saw a King on the ice — they don’t flop, they get right up when knocked down, they don’t throw their hands up looking for calls. If there was a stat for getting knocked down and time spent down, the Habs would be way up there. That’s part of the culture that we need to change.

    Congrats to the Kings.

  35. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did it come about that Luongo ceased to be the Vancouver captain? How rare is it for that to happen? What other precedents are there? Is it within the realm of possibility that Gionta could remain a Hab but pass on the C?

  36. PK says:

    Despite Kopitar having success in LA, I am glad Price was the Habs
    pick in 2005.
    Where would the Habs be today without Price or a goalie of his caliber?
    OR better question: If we had Kopitar, would we have picked up a franchise goalie through trades?
    We could just be like many other teams, have a good but not great goalie.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  37. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Re passive strategies, chickens and eggs, chasing puck in our ends, Jim, CJ, MRonn, and Strum et al.

    We can all probably agree that Game 6 vs Boston was a full optimisation of what we have. Checking, forechecking, neutral zone, D — everything was clicking.

    Alas, unrealistic and impractical to expect that over 82 games. But we’ll be able to play that way more often once MB gets the kinds of personnel changes he’s painstakingly pursuing.

  38. JUST ME says:

    So sad to hear abour Chuck Noll passing away. Man ! this brings back memories ! The era when i got to discover the great NFL ! The epic rendez-vous with Tom Landry`s Cowboys wich to this day i still hate , and the rough and brutal games with DA BEARS !

    As much as i am a die hard Habs fan, i can say that close by are my Steelers and that stems from the Noll era .

  39. ProHabs says:

    Hey CJ,
    WHere did you hear that Timmins wanted Richards in the 2003 draft

    • CJ says:

      Many may not know this but Timmons has ties to the Ottawa area. He’s from Arnprior, just west of Ottawa and was in the Senators organization. Around the same time he was breaking into the NHL, my wife’s uncle was on the OHL circuit. His son, my wife’s first cousin was the CHL defensemen of the year. He owns a car dealership in the city and used to lease vehicles to Sens players. Long and short of it, he and Trevor are very good friends and used to go to OHL games, across the province together. He is still in close contact, but, if I want to keep any kind of communication channel open, I’ll keep my mouth shut.

      What I will say is this; AK46 was not Trevor’s guy. He really liked Mike Richards. My wife’s uncle often teases TT about the pick. The story basically goes that the team was concerned with a heart condition they detected with AK. The team’s doctors were consulted and advised that, with medication, the issue could be corrected. The next thing you know they have gone from testing the kid to drafting him. It’s been joked (not funny actually) that the Montreal doctors and specialists made the pick. Trevor was in his first year from Ottawa and was not in a position to challenge the selection.

      That’s how F’d this team was in 2002-2003……

  40. habstrinifan says:

    “Excavating for the slag”!

    I have pictured many HIO posters in their promenading tranquility seeking escape from one of our ‘debates’ here on HIO.

    I have pictured others swinging angry axes at backyard bullnut hickory trees with barks as tough to dent as the hammerhead illogicality of some of those debates.

    But I have never pictured UCE as “Excavating for the Slag”.

    It is as incongruous an image as an aged Mr Bellyful at a book burning or a sober Mr Frontenac emerging chaste from confession.

  41. Timo says:

    So they capped the previous thread at 3,333. Did it beat the Ryan White thread?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Timo: posts, goes to bed for a few hours, gets up, posts, “As I was saying….”

      It’s Saturday. If you feel a little cranky today it will be nobody’s fault but your own.

  42. ari says:

    Jeff carter and kopitar should be very grateful that montreal had and still have the best head scout in the league.

    • CJ says:

      Scout or GM? Secondly, Kopitar is awesome, but I’d still take Price. Kopitar is insulated in LA with an excellent supporting cast. Has Price been afforded the same insulation? Respectfully, the answer, IMO, is no.

      For what it’s worth, Timmons liked Mike Richards in 2003 with the Kitchener Rangers.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        In that 2005 Draft:

        5th Price
        11th Kopitar
        45th Latendresse
        72nd Quick

      • Timo says:

        YOu don’t consider playing behind Bouillon and Gorges and Emelin insulated?

        • CJ says:

          Surprisingly, no. I’m not sure if any of those three would be the best defenceman for the Kings AHL affiliate the Manchester Monarchs.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            :) Funny thing that so many of us HIO’ers are calling for top 6 forwards where the real issue is still the back end. We spent way too much time chasing the puck in our own end.

            Nathan and Tiny will have to step up big time next season and should be an improvement over Frankie and Murray, no?

          • CJ says:

            Agreed. We really need the kids to step up, in addition to needing a top four RH defenceman.

          • Strummer says:

            Jim it’s a bit like the chicken and the egg, who came first?
            If we had better forwards that could sustain a fore-check then the the puck would spend less time in our end exposing our D. Conversely better defense capable of better possession stats would help move the puck and keep it in the offensive zone.

            We probably need an upgrade in both ends.

            ____________________________________________________
            “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Maybe the insulation comes from the style of play of the team.

      • ari says:

        As much as watching McDonough hurts.watching carter and kopitar hurts too.if in those years we would go with common sense and drafted for our desperate need , which after 11 years still we are in need,we were much better off and we wouldn’t have those two sc finalist as our direct help.

    • L Elle says:

      There comes a time when you have to let the past go. How many other teams passed on Kopitar? The best clichés ever – Hindsight is 20/20, and you can’t change the past.

      As far as McDo, I look at it this way. If Habs keep him, they might never have finished last, and drafted Chucky.

      Chucky or McDo. Put them on a Butcher’s scale, and the winner is… Chucky!

  43. habstrinifan says:

    NON HOCKEY! NON HOCKEY! Or sports as a matter of fact.

    Been dying to mention this TV interview on program called “Great Minds” Stephen Cohen, professor at Princeton on Putin/Crimea etc.

    Don’t fully agree with his idealism but he talked about the deal between G.W #1 and Russia that NATO would NOT seek to have former Soviet Satellites like Estonia, Poland; Lithuania etc become members.

    This was breached first by Clinton, GW #2, Obama etc. And that Russia (Putin) is doggedly determined to draw a red line on the ‘bordering regions’ of Georgia/Crimea.

    Interesting behind the headlines political questions.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Always follow the Money, Oil, and Gas…the answers are usually there.

    • BJ says:

      Putin is a keeper. If Russia caves in where is the balance of power? The US military is already in over 60 countries. The planet does not need policing by anyone. The military industrial/petro chemical complex runned by international banksters rule the planet. How much more slavery does humanity need before it finally gets it?

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Great post.

        Putin/Russia vs Western democracies sure looks a lot like “the big picture”, and of course that’s how the media naturally reports it. But there is a much bigger picture, along the lines you describe.

        I would suggest that most of humanity does not get it, any of it. And those of us who think we do, only get a tiny bit of it.

  44. CJ says:

    Firstly, I think Justin Williams was full value and most deserving of the Conn Smythe trophy. Williams also exemplifies the deft moves required to assemble a team capable of winning a Stanley Cup. In an unheralded move, LA clipped Williams from Carolina following two seasons in which he struggled with injuries and point production. For the grand total of a second round pick and Patrick O’Sullivan, LA got themselves a future Conn Smythe trophy winner.

    Here’s the good news; Montreal seems capable of finding value and adding elements that could be difference makers down the road. Each move, much like a chess game, brings us one step closer to future success. We can’t rush this process. I’m not suggesting we are five years away, but we could use another 1-2 years of transition before we make a serious play at becoming an elite team in the league, capable of not only winning, but sustaining our success.

    Humbly, LA is the model. Chicago is a close second. Speed, skill, size, character. Whoever won the western conference final was going to win the Cup.

    I read a comment last week, in response to a question regarding Markov, asking if we should have done a deal (entirely hypothetical) sending Markov to LA for Toffoli and Pearson. The forum member said no, because we might not have gotten to the eastern conference finals without Markov. This is true (hypothetically), but how much better would we have been next year? At some point we need to prepare ourselves to detach from the old guard. It’s always about what’s best for the team.

    Finally, just a disclaimer, there’s no way LA would have ever dealt Toffoli or Pearson, let alone both for the General. Any rumour that suggested so was entirely fabricated. When I advocated this trade in January, I knew it was nothing more then a dream.

    As the curtain closes on the 2013-2014 season, we reflect on what might have been. Now, as we prepare to embark on free agency, trades, the draft, we can dream of what might be…..

    • Hobie says:

      Ya I think we’re 3-5 years away from consistently being an elite team. We need to give Tinordi and Beaulieu two full seasons to get comfortable and start to excel. Galchenyuk needs at least two more years to become an all around great player.

      We’re also waiting and hoping guys like De La Rose, McCarron, Crisp and a few others can make an impact. That’s like 3-4 years away.

      With guys like Subban, Price and Paciorrety already in place, plus a decent supporting cast, we should still be in the thick of things until we take that next step though :-).

      • Coach K says:

        3-5 years away is probably right Hobie, but that kind of development only happens if you have a coach who will let them play and allow them the room to sometimes make the big mistakes. Its that whole short term pain for long term gain approach and if the coach is too myopic it just won’t happen…

        —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

    • Strummer says:

      ” Humbly, LA is the model. Chicago is a close second. Speed, skill, size, character. Whoever won the western conference final was going to win the Cup.”

      OK so let’s hurray up with that new Gionta contract!
      Sven Andrighetto, Christan Thomas bring ‘em on!

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

      • CJ says:

        I hear you. I don’t get the love affair with Gionta. Truthfully, I admire our devotion to players, but ultimately it will likely be Gionta who ends this relationship when the dollars and role don’t meet his expectations.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Strummer, I agree. Not a huge Gionta fan here either. I feel its time to move on but it sure sounds and appears that that won”t be the case.

        • kalevine says:

          I don’t get it either. He’s not being signed for future potential, and if he couldn’t raise his level in this season’s playoff beyond ONE goal, then why hang on to him? So he can play better and be the true leader he was supposed to be this year in next playoff? Honestly makes no sense to me

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      It was great to see Williams win the Conn Smyth. He is a little bit of a different character/personality than we usually see win, and probably not the name a lot of fans were expecting to hear. Also seems like a good guy. He has, relatively quietly, assembled a pretty amazing career. Not many people win 3 cups anymore.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Good stuff CJ

      GM Lombardi also isn’t afraid to make the Big Trade.

      Jeff Carter for Jack John$on and a 1st Round Pick.
      Jack was a 3rd overall Draft pick in 2005 and at the time of the trade, was playing big minutes with Doughty and was a 1st Unit PP and 2nd Unit PK Dman.
      LA is also a top attraction for almost any UFA….

      • CJ says:

        Agreed. Ditto for the Blackhawks. We appear to have turned a corner, which is promising, however, IMO, we missed an opportunity by not trading Gionta or Markov this season. I suppose we saw both as “free” rentals. I just hope we don’t compound this mistake by signing either or both to three year extensions.

        • Habs4LifeInTO says:

          Hi CJ,

          I remember you and I were pretty adamant about trading Markov for some futures at the deadline. I for one did not see them going to the ECF against the Rangers with that line-up. In any event I personally would feel better about the team right now had we made that trade then and relied on a rookie or two for the rest of season. The Habs would benefit next season from whatever prospects would have come their way. Having said that the team made some money from the playoffs which will help and the young core did get some valuable experience so maybe it’s a wash. The team seems to be able to pro scout now and we know amateur scouting is solid too. I am in favour of letting at least Gionta go and finding younger cheaper replacements. The core needs to begin their leader / mentor phase sooner rather than later.

          24 cups and counting….

  45. habstrinifan says:

    @Mike Dunboyne ..”

    “Coaches developing during the course of their career could well earn a chapter in the story of Montreal’s next Stanley Cup.”

    I believe you are right. I have this nervous foreboding that we will find out very early in 2014-2015.

    An irrational fear this early but …..

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey Trini.

      Keep missing you here, and was missing myself for a few weeks. Love your posts. Even the ones I disagree with! Quite the combo of ferocity and articulacy when you’re on the rampage.

      I have a boring view on MT — that there could easily be very good reasons that we here simply don’t know about for the stuff he does that we don’t like (vets love, DD on the PP, conservative in-game adjustments), and so I have stopped protesting some of those and am giving him much more credit for getting a team to the ECF. He IS a different type of coach from the first time round.

      And unlike some here, I loved how he handled the Gryba-Eller assault last year.

      Cheers

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      [well that seems to have provoked no vitriol from anyone, all sharing the MT love now, I guess]

  46. 416erHabsFan says:

    Might not be a horrible decision so re sign Gionta, Give him 3 or 4 liner money and possibly reassign the “C”.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Horrible… NO! Useless.. convince me otherwise.
      And I dont mean useless in a negative sense really ..although it’s difficult to portray that word as an ‘objective’ comment.

      However if I ask the question “what is the gain, the benefit, the constructive measure” in resigning Gionta into the SAME ROLE as he has played since the Martin era.

      • Strummer says:

        Aye, Trini!

        ____________________________________________________
        “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  47. Hobie says:

    So I won the office hockey pool last night. 30 people at $20 a piece and I get 50%. So a nice little pay day awaits on Monday morning.

    My plan was to pick as many players as possible from the four teams I believed would make it to the conference finals. So I picked four Hawks, Kings and Habs. The only place I went wrong was picking four Flyers. I chose Quick as my goalie, so I really had five Kings.

    I think it’s the first pool I’ve ever won!

  48. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good morning CJ

    You mention below:
    “….Yes, I have Briere on the team.
    His no movement deal, contract, age, etc., make him practically impossible to move.
    I don’t want him there, but I don’t see an option.
    ————————-
    Actually, there is an option yet a certain segment of the Quebec media would go ballistic…

    It’s called a Buyout for Briere.

    For the most part, all the elite teams manage their Cap Dollars wisely with very few exceptions.
    Ex: LA Kings and Conn Smythe winner Justin Williams is on the books next year with a Cap Hit of…..$3.65M

    Briere’s Salary and Cap Hit next year is $4M.
    An NHL team CANNOT waste and spend $4M on a smallish, soon to be 37 year old, 4th line-10 minute player.
    Those precious dollars need to be spent on other glaring needs.

    A Buyout would save Mr. Molson $1.333M is Salary, yet more importantly, it would free up precious Cap Dollars.
    Instead of a $4M Cap Hit next year, a Buyout would show 2 years of a $1.3M Cap Hit.

    Unfortunately in the Quebec Habs world, that doesn’t appear to be an (political) option.

    • Habfan17 says:

      The could also do what Other teams have done, and ask him for a list of teams he would go to. They could offer him and retain $1 million of his salary and possibly get an asset in return

      Habfan17

    • CJ says:

      Hi Ronn. I’m in favor of any move that gets him off the team. It was a terrible signing, one year too long, and $6 million too much. We just paid Briere and Gionta a combined $9 million dollars this season! I understand we felt disappointed having lost out on Vinny, but sometimes you go to the dance and don’t get the girl. It doesn’t mean you need to settle for something (someone) you don’t want, although I’ve got buddies who would disagree…

      Look at the roster I proposed below. Briere painfully stands out as the weak link.

      Beregvin has made a number of good moves, but like the coach, he also has made a number of mistakes along the way. Along with Emelin and DD, this is a top three in the disappointment category. Unlike Emelin and DD, at least there’s relief in sight.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        July 4th, 2013

        ” Briere, bought out by the Philadelphia Flyers, is expected to decide between the Montreal Canadiens, New Jersey Devils and Nashville Predators, according to ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun.
        Earlier in the process, Briere was contemplating several other teams, including the New York Islanders.”
        ——————-
        Maybe GMMB can pick up the phone…..

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        I am not really worried about him simply because it is only one more year. I would not have had a problem with the signing at all if it had been one year at 3 million as a stop gap. At this point, maybe I’ve just resigned myself too it, but either way, he is gone, and maybe done, this time next year.

  49. Un Canadien errant says:

    Okay, so now what?

    If only the World Cup was this summer, instead of the next.

    http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • habstrinifan says:

      The HABS off-season. Many questions that would determine their future significantly. Was this last season’s playoff run a demonstration of anyone can beat anyone in sports or was it a solid indicator that the HABS have assembled a perennial playoff entry/contender.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      And John Irving (author, not fuel czar) only enjoyed a passing reference on the Almost-RW-Threshold thread. So no shortage of discussion topics.

      (UCE, maybe you saw me slagging you yesterday — re. inanity! — even though I narrowly failed to post FIRST yesterday. The linked picture is a beaut. Shows I was thinking of you!)

      (And what the hell are you doing up??!!)

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m turning into my father. I come home from work and sit down for a sec, and I start dozing immediately. I’ve missed stuff I was supposed to do because of these naps, they’re killing my social life. Even then, once I’ve made dinner, it’s all I can do to keep my eyes open, so I hit the sack, but come daylight I’m wide awake. Birds chirp right outside my window.

        Should I go excavating for the slag? Would I be mortally offended? Why, I never…

        I had car trouble yesterday, in that my laptop was on the fritz but good. So after wrestling with it for a while, I gave up and did my first ever re-install. Like a big boy. And everything seems to work now. And I had all my files backed up, like a big boy. And Google saved all my bookmarks and folders, which I did not expect, but it’s a huge bonus.

        ———————————————————————–
        My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  50. habstrinifan says:

    So is Sutter the best coach in the nhl period… no ifs ands or buts?. The amazing thing is that his ‘message’ has not as they say ‘gotten old’. He still affects the team at its core … unlike many other coaches.

    He seems to be able to bring players around rather than move players around.

    And why are we re-signing Gionta? Would we come again to a point where we would regret not giving a younger player a full season’s experience in his place?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      And not to be forgotten was bringing Calgary to a Cup Final also. However, I suspect Bob Nicholson in Edmonton will prove to be even more important to a teams success. I can’t see how Edmonton doesn’t win the next 4 Cups having brought in another executive…..

      • habstrinifan says:

        You bring up a vital stage of Sutter’s career… his Calgary experience. The Sutter who left Calgary seems to have learnt a lot in player skills. The new coach of the Canadian Olympics team was on TSN690 yesterday and he was very effusive in his praise for Sutter as a coach who knows how to motivate/handle players. I dont remember that as being his biggest asset in Calgary.

        It’s easy to say he’s changed ..after all he’s winning… but it seems to me that he isnt the same person he was in Calgary.

  51. Cal says:

    Friends, Hab fans, ticket holders, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury playoff Season, not to praise him.
    The evil that the Rangers did will live after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Season. The noble Bruins
    Hath told you Season was over long:
    If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
    And grievously hath our Habs answer’d it.
    Here, under leave of the Lightning and the rest–
    For the Stars are honourable men;
    So are all Flyers, all honourable men–
    Come I to speak in Season’s funeral.
    He was a Duck, a Shark and a Penguin to me:
    But the Avs say the Wild embellish;
    And the Blue Jackets are honourable to a man.
    Habs hath brought many Cups home to Rome
    Whose greatness did the general coffers fill:
    Did this in Season seem ambitious?
    When that the fans have cried, Season hath wept:
    Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
    Yet the Blackhawks say the Blues embellished;
    And the teams are honourable to a man.
    You all did see that at the Staples Center
    I twice presented them a kingly Cup,
    Which they did not refuse: was this embellishment?
    Yet the Stars say they embellished;
    And, sure, they are honourable men.
    I speak not to disprove what the Red Wings spoke,
    But here I am to speak what I do know.
    You all did love Stanley once, not without cause:
    What cause withholds you then, to cherish him?
    O torment! Winter hath fled to tourists and festivals,
    And men have lost hockey season. Bear with us;
    Our hearts are in the coffin there with Season,
    And we must pause till in the Autumn it comes back to us.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Wow Cal!

      One can never read too much Shakespeare nor watch too much hockey. But marrying the two!

      [The Wayne's World "We're not worthy" prostration]

      Brill!: “You all did see that at the Staples Center
      I twice presented them a kingly Cup,
      Which they did not refuse: was this embellishment?”

      (Hoping Caesar logs in this morning!)

  52. CJ says:

    Good morning.

    Wow, a new thread! Now that the season is over hopefully teams begin to announce some player movement via signings and trades. The Kings might have won the cup, they might be young, big and skilled up and down the roster, but we appear interested in resigning Gionta and Markov. Additionally, the door is still open for Frankie to return. Sarcasm aside, we aren’t as close as our eastern conference final showing indicated. Sure, I’d agree that any team with, arguably, the world’s best goaltender is always going to have a chance, however we are still four key pieces away, and that’s considering our core players take a step forward next season.

    My business partner just got our season ticket renewal package in the mail. As a paying customer, here’s my hope for next season;

    Max Chucky Gally
    Bourque Eller X
    Bournival Pleks Briere
    Weise White Prust

    PK Beaulieu
    Tinordi X
    Gorges Pateryn

    Price
    Tokarski

    Yes, I have Briere on the team. His no movement deal, contract, age, etc., make him practically impossible to move. I don’t want him there, but I don’t see an option.

    I’d try to trade Moen, but only if I could land Tanner Glass, or Anthony Peluso. The team needs a top six winger. I think DLR gets a look, but I don’t see an internal option right now. Potential UFA options include Hemsky, Michalek or Kulemin – none of whom would be ideal.

    On the back end, I’m prepared to integrate all three of Pateryn, Beaulieu and Tinordi. Ideally we could land a big RH defencemen, who speaks French, lives in Ottawa, plays in Florida and who’s last name rhymes with Grudbranson.

    The question most will ask is why so many changes to a team who was two wins away from the Stanley Cup final? IMO, we are not as close as our finish indicated. In fact, the play of many of our veterans was frankly concerning. A bad performance in the playoffs is, in itself, not the end of the world (see James Neal). However, when you consistently struggle in the postseason, it becomes a concern (Pleks), or if you are three – five years removed from your best season (Gionta), then it’s time to turn the page.

    Lastly, so long as we retain these veterans, the coach will find a way to play them over our future. I don’t necessarily blame the coach. He’s going to ice the team that gives him the best chance to win the game tonight, not next season. As I noted last week, we could keep the team, unchanged as some have suggested. IMO, we would make the playoffs again and maybe even win a round or two. However, the current roster will not win a Cup. We need adjustments. IMO, we are missing four key pieces – examples provided (3/4 defencemen, RH with size – Grudbranson, top six scoring winger with size – Tofolli, third line winger with size – McGinn, and a fourth line player to take fights away from Prust – Glass or Peluso). Again, this is assuming our current players continue to develop and take strides forward next year.

    In summary, I want to win as badly as any fanatic. Getting a taste of playoff success just makes me hungry for more. That said, I’m prepared to risk a step back as we transition, with the chance for a leap forward in 2015-2016.

    Cheers, CJ

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning CJ!

      I like your post!! Well thought out and I think it echoes what a lot of us are thinking, well, me anyway.

      I know that Bergevin would not be able to obtain all the players you mentioned, but he should be able to swing a couple of trades. I like the way he is building the team.

      Gudbranson is a pipe dream, unless Bergevin would trade a player like Beaulieu. If Colorado does not resign Statsny, I could see trading Pleks, Gorges and Leblanc for McGinn and Bordeleau. That way Colorado could move O’Reilly back to left wing and Pleks would slot in behind MacKinnon and Duchesne.

      There are many options and I am confident Bergevin and his team will explore all of them and make ones that make sense!

      Habfan17

      • CJ says:

        I like the Colorado proposal. I don’t think Leblanc will be resigned though, but otherwise the trade is realistic and could benefit both organizations.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Thank you!

          In really looking at things, I think that the Habs could afford to
          trade Beaulieu to Florida for Gudbranson. Beaulieu played on St. John’s with Huberdeau so that might help. They could also throw in Ellis since he now sits behind Nygren, Pateryn and Dietz. It may take more, but it is worth looking at.

          The Habs could absorb the loss of Beaulieu. They have Bennett who played very well in University with Pateryn and of course they would still have Tinordi.

          It would be nice to see
          Emelin, PK
          Markov, Gudbranson
          Tinordi, Pateryn/Weaver

          Habfan17

    • Cal says:

      Habs have a lot of improving to do before being close to knocking the Kings off the throne.

      • CJ says:

        Agreed. LA is a great team. If I was to have a second favorite, boy, they’d be close…… Alas, for diehards like myself a second favorite team is sacrilege.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I wonder can we nail down the difference between being close and not close!

        I tend to agree with CJ, perhaps a step back in this coming season — like trimming a hedge/shrubbery just when it’s getting the height you want, but thereby investing in a fuller, stronger plant — while a few more pieces are gathered.

        Is the number of those pieces the difference between us and Kings-style awesomeness? I don’t know: my overall feeling at this point, unless our success this year was some kind of fluke, is that we are not too far off, closer and more solid and promising than we have been since… the 90s?

        I also agree with MRonn who said in a long, well-argued post that improvement is way more complex than merely tinkering with what we have, ie. a couple of trades. There are large dynamics at play within the team, within every team, and within the league. MB is paid to track ALL of that stuff.

        I think Montreal was full value for its top 4 place this year. Maybe top 8 next year, and then we start annually taking shots at that chunk of metal.

        (Only my opinion, and very bizarre of me — with my horticultural ignorance — to introduce a gardening reference).

        • CJ says:

          Good morning Mike! Good points, per usual. Trusting life finds you well.

          When dropping the young lad off at preschool on Friday, I was treated to an early Father’s Day gift; it was a little briefcase made of construction paper. Inside was a picture of my son, wearing a hard hat and working with tools. The homemade frame had the caption, “I couldn’t build a better daddy.”

          Made my day. In fact, it made my summer.

          Wishing you well, CJ

  53. Cal says:

    It’s blockbuster and brain twisting trade day!
    Send Pleks to Pittsburgh straight up for Malkin and the Pens retain $4mil of Malkin’s salary! Woohoo!
    Send Prust and Tokarski to Winnpeg for both Evander Kane and Ladd.
    DD to LA straight up for Dustin Brown.
    Gorges to LA for Doughty.
    There! I figured I’d join the EA Sports NHL traders who’ve already begun.
    No GM is brain damaged enough to accept the wack job trade proposals except Garth Snow, so the rights to Doug Murray for Tavares. Woohoo!

  54. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning everyone! I wonder how the San Jose Sharks feel this morning. You remember the Sharks, don’t ya. The team that had a 3 games to zip lead on the Kings in round 1?

    Winning the Cup may be one of the most difficult to achieve in sports. A few bounces, a bad call, a injury (yes, I meant Price), and everything changes.

    I’ve read so many post of disappointment on here the last few days. To me just being in the mix to be one of the team to get to see the bad bounces, bad calls, and injuries was a huge giant leap forward for this organization.

    Unlike the last decent playoff run, this one was not a mirage. This team is getting close to being a perennial cup contender. Off this season some could make the argument that we already are.

    Part of me when reading Stu’s opening remarks in regards to the season starting October 1st, says the season is way too long. But I can’t wait for the season to start again.

    Hurry up October!

    • CJ says:

      Good morning Jim! I agree, we are getting closer. It’s almost like fighting a battle in the 18th century; you don’t want to use your powder until your adversary is close. In this case, you must remain patient and make your moves when you feel you have a chance. The move for Gaborik in LA was brilliant. Vanek appeared to be an equally brilliant move, but he seemed disengaged after dropping from the first to third line. He, along with Pleks and Gionta could have pushed us beyond New York and into the final. It wasn’t meant to be I suppose, so the team must go back to the board, reload the powder and ball, and wait for the next chance.

      The good news, we are not five years away. We may however need to take a step backwards next season before returning to an eastern conference finals, and ideally a stanley cup final. Patience, as you noted, will be the key.

      Cheers, CJ

    • Habfan17 says:

      Hey Jim,

      It sure is a tough championship to win! So much can happen.

      Although, not all the veteran’s play in the preseason, I think he merits mentioning. When you throw in those games which start mid Sept. The season is way too long! What do they play, 6 preseason games? Some play over seas, and this year some players dealt with the Olympic games.

      Going back to the Sharks. There are only so many kicks at the can and I believe extending Thornton and Marleau was a big mistake. I said it before GM Wilson mentioned he wants players who want to win there not players who want to play there.

      Now I am looking forward to what the Habs do this off season. The draft pool does not stand out, although there are a couple of players that will go in the first two rounds I think might look good in a Habs uniform.

      Hunter Smith, right wing, 6’6″ 210lbs, 40 points in 64 games, 100 pims, ranked 30th by ISS

      Ryan Collins, right defence, 6’5″ 202 lbs.

      There are others of course, but Bergevin does not have any 2nd round picks. Maybe if he feels he can get his players later in the draft, he could trade the first round pick for 2 second round picks.
      It should be fun to watch what happens!

      Habfan17

    • habstrinifan says:

      Remember our exchange on the Shark’s playoff karma or lack of at the start of the playoffs.

      It seems they are snake-bitten.

  55. HabinBurlington says:

    R.I.P. Chuck Noll, great coach.

  56. Captain aHab says:

    Who authorized this thread before we reached the RWT in the other?

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    Prepare to be boarded!!

  57. BJ says:

    Thought it would go 4-5 games for the Kings. I did not expect the Rangers to make it so difficult. Both good teams. If we get bigger and we must, we are not far behind. But the league has so many good teams that anyone of many teams has a chance.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      In the poor Eastern Conference this team will have a good chance to make it to the finals in each of the next couple of seasons. Completely different story in the west. The Sharks are a better hockey team than the Rangers.

      Getting bigger without skill is useless. See: Douglas Murray. A good move would be to trade Desharnais and Gorges for a big RW. Couldn´t the Stars use a LD and a second line center? I´d give up Desharnais, Gorges, Leblanc and our 3rd rounder for Alex Chiasson.

  58. ElMcFoldo says:

    Here’s my proposal for a blockbuster deal:

    Trade Pacioretty, Desharnais ,Gorges and Tokarski
    for
    E. Kane, Z. Bogosian and A. Ladd

    Does this seem fair? It would really help sort out our Dmen (left/right situation), while adding skilled size

    Meanwhile the Jets get the current best player in the deal, players signed long term to manageable contracts, another option between the pipes and the shake-up they desperately need.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      “Meanwhile the Jets get the current best player in the deal”. Exactly und this is why you don´t do it.

    • third generation haber says:

      I never want to see Evander “me, me, me!” Kane playing for the habs!!!

      j.p. murray

    • CJ says:

      You know what’s crazy, the two guys I’d hate to lose are Max (obviously) and Tokarski. If that isn’t an indictment on DD and Gorges I don’t know what is.

      I’ve always liked Bogosian. He grew up just across the river in Massena. I’ve got friends who know him pretty well. He’s a great kid, who’s tough as nails. Ladd is very, VERY underrated. I can’t imagine the Jets even considering this type of offer.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Let’s look at it from the Jets’ point of view. Assume that they consider Max a fair return for Evander Kane, which I would dispute. Mr. Kane is two years younger and was drafted fourth overall in 2009, whereas Max was taken 22nd in 2007. Max is more of a disciplined, loyal soldier, and does have two thirty-goal seasons under his belt, but the Jets’ winger scored thirty as a twenty-year old. Evander Kane may not be quite as fast a skater, but almost, and he has better hands, and plays tougher, when he’s engaged. Their contracts are essentially a wash. As much as I like Max, I think I’d swap him for Evander Kane, unless the background check was really horrible. Elliotte Friedman had a good piece on how the Jets should hold on to him, that you don’t give up on a talent like that at such an early age.

      http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2014/04/30-thoughts-evander-kane-too-valuable-for-jets-to-give-up-on.html

      But anyway, let’s call that trade even. That leaves the Jets with David Desharnais, Josh Gorges and Dustin Tokarski for:

      1) Andrew Ladd. 6’3″ big winger who’s good for 25 goals and 50 points. Has a Stanley Cup win with Chicago. Was drafted 4th overall in 2004. He’s their captain and team leader.

      2) Zach Bogosian. 6’3″ 215 lbs defenceman, happens to shoot right, which makes him even more valuable. Was drafted 3rd overall in 2008.

      Our two undrafted worker bees, and our 5’10” AHL goalie don’t in any way compensate the Jets for these two players. It would be highway robbery.

      Is it too early to declare Dustin Tokarski this trade season’s Raphaël Diaz for HIO scenarios?

      ———————————————————————–
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      • CJ says:

        My comment regarding Tokarski is more an indictment on DD and Gorges. As noted above, I’m in full agreement with you; Winnipeg would not even consider such a proposal.

  59. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Best news is, Ryan White will wake this morning and know that his record remains safe.

    Congrats to the Kings, deserving winners, awesome team.

    That said, the Rangers kept it much closer than I for one expected — a short series of long games, said the NY Times. And the Habs weren’t that far off from the Rangers. According to that logic, I therefore don’t agree that we are 4-5 years from contending for the Cup. I think CJ and others are right: we might have to take a step back next year, allowing the vets we might be keeping to buy time for the development of our prospects. We made it very interesting this year — I’d say we make it interesting again next season, and then even more interesting thereafter for a number of seasons. Bergevin will be patient, meaning we have no choice but to be patient also! The spirit of the Forum fights against patience, but we have to do it.

    RIP Chuck Noll.

  60. SUMO says:

    FIFA World Cup and then the draft

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …are Dean Lombardi and Stan Bowman the 2 best general managers in the NHL ?

    …will Marc Bergevin be, someday, their equal ?

    …I can only hope so

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …absolutely the most beautiful, classic and dignified sporting trophy on the face of this Earth

    …and, 24 of the rings belong to Us

  63. habsfan0 says:

    That pic above of Dustin Brown lifting the Stanley Cup.
    Next year,that’ll be DD.
    Who’s probably shorter than the Cup.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Can the stats guys tell us when was the last time the two players raising cups — Conn Smythe winner and Stanley Cup winning captain — had rhyming first names?

      In fact, I think I feel a conspiracy theory coming on….

  64. TaxGuy says:

    I was actually hoping for the Rangers even though they beat us. There’s something about this Kings team I don’t like.

  65. bjmmn says:

    Congrats Kings! And yay, a new HIO article to comment on!

  66. Sportfan says:

    Congrats to the Kings on winning the Cup!

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  67. MTLF says:

    Looking at the LA Kings, the Habs are a long way of from being that good. the Rangers are on the right track if they keep their main core of players, too many changes will sit them back.
    Congrats to the Kings , they deserved it and proved once more it takes 4-good lines and good Goaltending to win a Cup hope MB was watching.

  68. C-Sword says:

    Congratulations to the KINGS!

    Thank you for giving us the craziest playoff run to the Stanley Cup in years. Your team had to be special to come back in those series and overcome all those two-goal deficits. It took skills and grit.

    Very cool of Justin Williams to say a few words in french on RDS to us fans in Montreal. Mr. Clutch, Mr. Game 7, it doesn’t matter how you call him, he never failed to make the difference when it mattered.

    Jeff Carter, one of the most underrated players in the league, I liked how he carried the two youngsters throughout the playoffs, especially in the finals when they seemed more nervous.

    What can I say about Alec Martinez? I was so impressed by his decisions, he kept his plays simple and even scored game winning goals.

    Last but not least, the Captain, Dustin did the little things on the ice that either led to a goal or kept a goal from being scored against us. We should remember that play he made before Gaborik scored the tying goal against the Hawks in game 7 of the conference finals for a long time.

    To the other NHL teams, take a good look at the Kings, this is how you build a champion team.

  69. PK says:

    Lundqvist: Deuxième place aux Jeux olympiques et numéro deux dans la finale de la Coupe Stanley. Le roi est mort.

    Oh, GHG!!

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  70. PK says:

    Congrats to the LA Kings but ….

    Go Habs Go!!!

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  71. Cal says:

    The Kings rule with an in your face and at the same time highly skilled game. The Rangers were wannabes in comparison despite keeping a few games close.
    No hockey until September and the pre-season. We’ll be stoked for it by then, I’m sure.

  72. AH says:

    8 1/2 month season, not including training camps….whew, long season.

  73. Habfun says:

    Nice to see it over with. Goodbye STRangers!

    It’s all about the CH


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